[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing November 5, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the November 5th Agendas, the items below will be discussed: 2040 Plan Results Review with Consultant This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
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SO WE START OFF WITH AN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT MEETING.
UH, AS YOU SEE FROM THE AGENDA, JUST THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT AND STATUS UPDATE.
SO IT'S THE TYPICAL ROUTINE MEETING.
AND THEN NOTHING TO, NOTHING NEW ON THE FINANCES.
WE LOOK REAL QUICK THERE AND WE'RE REALLY PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE, UH, REVENUE FROM LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME.
UM, FROM AN EXPENSE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE AS WELL.
LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, WE HAVE A RECORDING CHANGE.
IT'S ABOUT A $29,000 IMPACT BASED ON WHEN AND HOW WE RECORD A CERTAIN EXPENSE, BUT WE'RE PRETTY WELL JUST IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHERE WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE.
THAT FUND AND THE EXPENSES DON'T CHANGE MUCH TYPICALLY.
UH, WE HAVE, LET'S SEE, CATCH UP MY OWN AGENDA HERE.
WE HAVE BEER BOARD MEETING AS WELL.
UH, FOR THAT, THAT'S THE ENFORCE FIVE INC.
FOR AN ON AND OFF PREMISE BEER PERMIT AT SWINGS AND BILLIARDS, ET CETERA, AND FINALLY GREEN, 7061 MORRIS LANE, SUITE 100.
AGAIN, BASED ON THE APPLICATION, THERE ARE NO CONCERNS WITH THAT FROM THE STAFF REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
IS THERE A WAY, UM, WITH THE OFF PREMISES, IS IT, IS IT, UM, THAT THEY'RE GONNA SELL OFF PREMISES AT EVENTS OR THAT THEY'RE SELLING TAKEOUT? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEFINE IT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UH, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WILL FIND OUT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING, BUT I'LL, I'LL CHECK.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE PEOPLE ALCOHOL.
COVID WE HAD A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR RESTAURANTS AND TAKEOUT BEER, BUT ALL THAT EXPIRED, RIGHT? OKAY.
BUT NOW, LIKE, UH, THEY COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, LIKE, BREWERIES DO THIS WHERE THEY SERVE ON PREMISES, THEY SERVE FOOD, UH, TO ASSUME THIS PLACE, WHAT I'M THINKING THE CONCEPT IS OF FOOD.
AND THEY SELL THEIR BEER SIX PACKS OR WHATEVER SO THAT WE COULD HAVE AN ON AND OFF PREMISES.
THEIR INTENT, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE APPLICATION ON NUMBER EIGHT, IS INDOOR AREA PARTITIONED OFF FROM RETAIL AREA OF STORE AND SIDE YARD FOR SEASONAL SPECIAL EVENTS.
BUT I WILL GO BACK AND GET YOU THE OFFICIAL STATUTORY DISCRETION ON, ON OFF PREMISE COMBINED AND THAT WAY I DO KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT THEY DO THAT AT THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND IT SAYS IT'S WHAT, A HEMP STORE.
AND THEY'RE PARTI - WHAT ARE THEY PARTIONING OFF? IT WAS JUST A CONFUSING APPLICATION.
UM, IT SAYS FOR SOCIAL ART SPACE.
SO I ASSUME THAT THEY, I'M ASSUMING, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, THAT THEY HAVE THE PRIMARY STORE AREA AND THEN THEY HAVE AN EXTRA SPACE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PARTITIONING OFF IS THAT EXTRA SPACE IN THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, AND THAT'LL BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I THINK.
AND ON PREMISES, THIS IS CONFUSING.
I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO HAVE A RESTAURANT TO HAVE ON PREMISES BEER.
NO, WE HAVE - WHERE DID I GET THAT IDEA ALL THESE YEARS THAT YOU HAD TO SELL FOOD? YOU USED TO, I THINK, TO SELL LIQUOR.
I THINK YOU MAY STILL HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO - OKAY.
10% OF YOURSELVES OR 8% OF YOUR SALES OR SOMETHING.
A WHILE BACK DURING ONE OF OUR PROCEEDINGS.
I WONDER IF THE ART SPACE IS CONNECTED TO YOUR AFTER HEMP USAGE.
I'M, I, I GUESS I'M JUST REALLY AN OLD BUDDY DADDY, BUT THIS KIND OF STORE IN THE COMMUNITY JUST, IT'S NOT MY CUP OF TEA, BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD THAT AGAINST THEM, BUT I THINK THEY'RE LEAVING THE WALL, BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF RETAIL WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
THERE'S ANOTHER HEMP STORE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THEM.
CLEANERS THERE AND THEY CLOSED.
IT'S RIGHT NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACK.
AND THERE WAS A POOL PLACE THERE THAT JUST SOLD.
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I THINK SO.SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHERE THE TILE AND DECOR IS, BUT ONE WEST OF THEM.
SO WE HAVE A HEMP STORE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FIRE STATION.
GOING INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
WE START WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE, THE ANNEXATION AND IN THIS CASE, THE ZONING, UH, FOR THE, UH, 18 ACRES OF PROPERTY WE HAVE UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, PUMP STATION AND BIG EQUALIZATION TANK.
I'M SORRY, JASON, WHAT ON THE LEFT IS THE THICKER YELLOW LINE POINTING DOWN TO THE HEADING TO THE PUMP STATION, BUT THEN THERE'S A BIGGER OUTLINE.
IS THAT TWO SEPARATE PARCELS OR IS THAT JUST SHOWING THE ROAD? SEE HOW THERE'S A THICK YELLOW LINE? YEAH, THAT'S THE STATION, THAT'S THE TANK.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S JUST TO SHOW THE ROAD OR NOT.
BUT THE WHOLE AREA IS A PARCEL.
THAT'S NOT SEPARATING THE TWO.
IT, IT'S PROBABLY WHAT THAT'S, YEAH.
BUT THE, THE OUTLINE IS ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY.
AND SO AFTER WE GET PAST THE, UH, UPCOMING MEETING, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE STEPS LEFT, BUT, UH, AND MOST OF THEM WILL BE COMING OVER TO YOU THEN INSTEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THEY HAVE ANOTHER STEP LEFT AS WELL, BUT, UM, WE'LL FINISH IT OUT.
IT TAKES A LOT OF STEPS TO DO ANNEXATION AND, AND REZONING IN TENNESSEE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I'M USED TO, BUT IT'S KIND OF THE SAME STUFF.
WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC.
THEY CAN'T REALLY SAY THEY HAVEN'T HAD OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND GOING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, REGARDING ANNUAL INCREASE THAT THE, UH, FORMULA THAT'S PUT TOGETHER THROUGH THE ICC CODE FROM THE VALUATION THAT CREATES THE VALUE, THE 180 SQUARE, UH, DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT FOR, UH, HABITABLE SPACE THAT GOES IN AND HELPS US CREATE THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT FEE.
THIS WILL BE THE SECOND AND FINAL READING ON IT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? OKAY.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION THAT EXTENDS THE DURATION OF VETERANS MONUMENT AD HOC COMMITTEE.
ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS SET UP FOR 18 MONTHS.
THAT'LL BE EXPIRING, UH, AND IT WOULD EXPIRE IN JULY.
SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS ON THE MEETING TO EXTEND.
WE PUT IT AS A YEAR BY DEFAULT.
UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT.
IT COULD BE CHANGED IF YOU, IT, IT'S KIND OF THEY'LL FINISH WHEN THEY FINISH.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST DID IT AS A YEAR.
SO TIMING ISN'T THAT BIG A DEAL TO US.
WE JUST WANT TO GET THE ITEM OUT SO THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT IT AS WE ENTER INTO NEXT YEAR.
JUST ONE QUICK THING ON, ON THIS.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOME MAJOR FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGNS TOO.
WE RAISED THREE MILLION DOLLARS AT ONE OF THE CHURCH AND SCHOOLS I WAS WITH.
WE HAD PLEDGES WITHIN THREE MONTHS.
WE HAD IT PAID OFF TOTALLY IN THREE YEARS.
AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH FATHER RON GREAT DEAL.
JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D SUGGEST, RAY, IS, UM, THERE'S THE PLEDGE CARDS THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE.
BUT, UM, THE PLEDGE CARDS THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE, UM, THEY'RE, I WOULD ALSO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE PUT ON THERE WHO TO MAKE THE CHECKS PAYABLE TO, OR MONEY TO.
IT JUST SAYS WHERE TO SEND THEM, NOT A BIG DEAL.
AND WHERE YOU PUT THE ADDRESS LINE, IT'S KIND OF THE SEALS IS KIND OF, KIND OF NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP.
BUT I JUST FILLED OUT THE, THE FORM LAST NIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID, ESPECIALLY WITH THE THREE MILLION DOLLAR, UM, THREE MILLION DOLLAR, UH, ONE I WORKED ON, THEY SAID IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THE, WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE TO BE COMMITTED TO THIS.
AND WHAT THEY WANTED US TO DO, LIKE WHEN WE DID THAT TO SCHOOL, WE WENT TO ALL THE TEACHERS AND WE SAID, "ARE YOU COMMITTED TO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR BUILDING TOO?" AND YOU DON'T ASK THEM FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, BUT YOU ASK FOR SOME KIND OF JUST MINIMAL COMMITMENT.
THAT WAY YOU CAN GO AND YOU CAN SAY, "WE HAVE THE FULL BACKING OF ALL THE TEACHERS AT ST.
EDWARD SCHOOL." AND I THINK WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY COMMISSION HERE, THAT IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO HELP RAISE MONEY IF WE GOT TOGETHER AND WE SAID, "WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE DONATION AND IT CAN BE A MINIMAL DONATION, JUST SOMETHING." YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL HOW MUCH PEOPLE GIVE, BUT IF YOU SAY THE CITY COMMISSION IS 100% BEHIND
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THIS, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES.SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE'S MY COMMITMENT AND MAYBE THAT WILL HELP YOU GUYS GET IT GOING.
THAT'S JUST, JUST ANOTHER SELLING TOOL BECAUSE IT'S A BIG NUT YOU GOTTA CRACK, YOU KNOW? SO I HOPE THAT'LL HELP OUT.
THAT'S JUST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD I WANTED TO SHARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT.
IS THE WHOLE COMMITTEE IN SUPPORT OF DOING THAT? THIS EXTENSION? YEAH.
AND THEY ALL WANTED TO REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST TAKING A LOT LONGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD.
WELL, PART OF IT IS WHERE WE, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE WE WENT BACK AND WE GOT A MUCH BETTER DESIGN, I THINK, AND LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT SIX MONTHS DID, DID SLOW US DOWN ON FUNDRAISING BECAUSE AS WE STILL REACH OUT TO PEOPLE - I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS MAYBE THE PRICE IS STILL TOO HIGH AND IT, I JUST WORRY THAT IF WE DON'T RAISE THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THIS KIND OF ECONOMY, IT, IT DOESN'T REFLECT WELL ON THE, NOT THE CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT OUR RESIDENTS.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF VETERANS.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER TO PUT A HARD PUSH TO THIS THING AND KEEP THE ORIGINAL DEADLINE, AT LEAST FOR HAVING ALL THE MONEY IN OR DRAG IT OUT ANOTHER YEAR.
WELL, A LOT OF, UM, LARGER DONORS THAT WE SPEAK WITH, THEIR PROCESSES TAKES SOMETIMES SEVERAL WEEKS, BUT SOMETIMES SEVERAL MONTHS FOR THEM TO EVEN GIVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE IT WILL GO THROUGH SEVERAL COMMITTEES OR THERE'S 10 PEOPLE THAT DECIDE AND THEY ONLY DO IT AT CERTAIN TIMES.
MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THE FIRST QUARTER, THEY'LL START DECIDING WHAT THEIR BUDGET IS.
SO WE MISSED THAT WITH OUR DELAY OF THAT KIND OF THING, I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE REASONS WHY THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE APPROACHING PEOPLE WHO ARE GIVING, WE WANT TO GIVE HUGE AMOUNTS.
AND WE SORT OF HAVE TO CATER TO THEIR SCHEDULE AND THE TIMEFRAME WHEN THEY MAKE THOSE DONATIONS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE FORTHCOMING WITH A VERY CLEAR EXPLANATION.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOING BACK AND REVISITING THE DESIGN.
BUT SO THAT THE CITY THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE ON TARGET AND THAT IT WILL BE HAPPENING.
BUT WHAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR LAST YEAR WHEN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN COMMITTEE HAD COME UP WITH REALLY WAS NOT WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTED, WHICH WE WERE FINE WITH.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS MAKING SURE IT WAS CORRECT, WAS WE'D RATHER YOU GET IT RIGHT THAN GET IT FAST.
AND SO THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN VERY, UH, DELIBERATE ABOUT SPEAKING TO PEOPLE.
AND I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHEN THE SECOND DESIGN, THE DESIGN WE WILL BE USING WAS APPROVED FOR GOING IN THE SUMMER.
AND WE SPENT MOST OF THE SUMMER TRYING TO REACH THE DECISION MAKERS OF A LOT OF THESE LARGER ORGANIZATIONS, FOUNDATIONS.
WELL, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THOUGH THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW RAY.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S, GETTING MONEY NEEDS TO BE HELD CLOSE TO THE VEST IN THE NAMES OF WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO.
BUT THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE VERY OPEN AND HOW IT'S MOVING.
YEAH, BUT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
BUT IT, IT WAS AT THE END OF SUMMER, AND I'M ASSUMING THESE BIG COMPANIES, PEOPLE ON VACATION OF THEIR DIFFERENT COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER, AT THE END OF THE SUMMER, WE SUDDENLY HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, UH, WHERE WE GAVE PRESENTATIONS.
UH, AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, ASHLEY BEING CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND MYSELF WERE THE ONES THAT GENERALLY GAVE THE PRESENTATIONS.
UH, ON ZOOM, WE HAD TO SOMETIMES GO BACK AND REPRESENT, UH, TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I'M ASSUMING THERE WERE GATEKEEPERS AND THERE WERE HIGHER UPS THAT ONCE THE GATEKEEPER SAID, YEAH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A VERY GOOD PROJECT ABOUT THEM.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE LIKE, "WE WILL BE BACK WITH YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO OR THREE." UM, AND THEN ONE IS LIKE, "WE WILL PROBABLY GIVE YOU AN ANSWER THIS YEAR, BUT WE ACTUALLY DETERMINED ALL THIS IN MARCH.
UH, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU AN ANSWER BASED ON WHAT
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WE'RE EXPECTING TO DO THEN AND IT'LL BE A PLEDGE AND THEN NEXT YEAR THEY WILL MAKE A PAYMENT." SO - I THINK TOO, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE ANNE SAYS, UPDATE, UPDATE PEOPLE AT THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AT THE CITY MEETING OR EVEN ASK ASHLEY TO COME SOMETIMES MAYBE AND GIVE A, AN UPDATE THERE, YOU KNOW? SURE.SOMETIMES A DIFFERENT FACE, DIFFERENT MESSAGE, JUST, YOU KNOW, USE THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AS A, AS A SPRINGBOARD KIND OF TO SPREAD THAT WORD.
WELL, I KNOW BEGGING FOR MONEY IS HARD, BUT THAT JUST KEEP THE RESIDENTS ADVISED SO THEY DON'T COME UP LOOKING LIKE THEY'VE GOT MONEY ON THEIR FACE.
AND WE'VE MADE PRESENTATIONS TO GROUPS AS WELL.
UM WAS THERE AND, UH, HAD VERY GOOD RESPONSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GIVING WILL COME FROM IT, BUT THERE WAS VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE AND HAD ABOUT 60 RESIDENTS.
AT LEAST 60 RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD WAS BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT DON'T HEAR WELL SPEAK LOUDLY, UM, AND THE WOMAN FROM GOES, "WAIT A MINUTE.
IS THIS THE PART WHERE THEY'RE GONNA ASK US FOR MONEY?"
THIS IS DANGEROUS TO SIT IN A MEETING.
I JUST THOUGHT YOU GOT CHRISTMAS COMING UP.
WE COULD GIVE CHARLES A TASK TO SAY, MAYBE YOU WANNA GIVE - WELL, ACTUALLY THEY DID.
THEY, THEY, UH, THEY BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE MEETING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE...
I FORGET EXACTLY HOW IT WORDED, BUT ESSENTIALLY LIKE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO GIVE SOMEBODY OR IF YOUR CHILDREN ASK YOU WHAT YOU WANT, THEN ASK FOR A DONATION.
AND DON'T FORGET VETERANS DAY IS NEXT WEEK, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG ONE.
IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
I'M GETTING SOLICITATIONS EVERY DAY TO PROVIDE CHRISTMAS MEALS OR TOYS AND I'M GOING THROUGH, I CAN'T DO THEM ALL, BUT I WILL DO SOME.
AND I'M GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES.
AND A VETERAN'S THING ON TOP OF THAT MIGHT BE A BIT MUCH DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL BE DONATING AT THE END OF THE YEAR OR THEY EXPRESSED TO ME THAT WE DONATED AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR CHARITABLE GIVING'S GONNA BE.
AND SO THESE ARE JUST INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COME THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CON - YOU CAN RECONTACT THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT YOU DON'T WANNA FESTER THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA JUST BOTHER THEM BECAUSE THEN THEY MAY DECIDE NOT TO GIVE.
AND THAT'S TRUE OF THESE LARGE ORGANIZATIONS TOO, SO.
ON, ON A PRACTICAL MATTER ABOUT IT, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THAT LOCATION WAS THE CANADA GEESE AND THE, WHOEVER MANAGES THE POND FOR THE HERITAGE HAS SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE THREE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, IF THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE SEEN IT, THEY HAVE THREE LARGE WHITE SWANS IN THERE NOW THAT ARE NOT REAL AND ARE TETHERED, UH, FROM EITHER SIDE OF A BANK.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN KIND OF THE CORNERS PER SE.
AND THERE ARE DUCKS THERE NOW AND I HAVE NOT SEEN IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS ANY CANADA GEESE THERE AT ALL.
YEAH, BUT IT CAN'T GO FAR, SO THEY, YEAH.
UH, I THINK THEY MOVED TO THE ONE HERE OFF THE GREENWAY.
WELL, THE PINE WATER ISN'T TOO FAR AWAY.
I TAKE IT A REAL SWAN WAS OUT OF THE QUESTION? NO, I THINK THERE USED TO BE ONE THERE.
UNLESS IT WAS A WHITE GOOSE, BUT YEAH, BUT THESE...
I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT A REAL SWAN.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE PRETTY MEAN.
IT'S PRETTY NICE THAT'S GONNA SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD EXPRESSED THAT TOO, SO YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, ITEM TO, UH, EXTEND THE COMMITTEE? NO.
THE NEXT, UH, TWO ITEMS ARE S - PRETTY RELATED.
THE, THE FIRST IS THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SWORN, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY GENERAL CLASSIFICATION PAY PLAN.
IN ESSENCE, PUTTING A STEP PAY PLAN IN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, FOR MOST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
UM, SO YOU'LL RECALL THAT, UH, THIS WAS PART OF OUR DEFERRED BUDGET PACKAGE THAT WAS APPROVED BACK DURING THE BUDGET TIME.
SO WE SET ASIDE, UH, MONIES ON ANTICIPATION OF THIS AND, UH, SO WE'RE NOW, UH, THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF IMPLEMENTING THAT PACKAGE.
UM, AND, AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL PIECE OR ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL PIECES FOR SURE.
AND AGAIN, GOING FROM A, UH, WHAT WE'VE HISTORICALLY DONE IS EACH YEAR, BASED ON, AS YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR BUDGET ALLOTMENT, IT'S ALLOWED SO MUCH FOR COST OF LIVING FOR EMPLOYEES,
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AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE FOR A MERIT INCREASE.THE COST OF LIVING, UH, PIECE IS APPLIED EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE OTHER IS DETERMINED THROUGH EVALUATIONS AND, UH, BY DEPARTMENT HEADS AS TO HOW MUCH EACH EMPLOYEE GETS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY VARY THAT MUCH ON THAT PIECE.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH THE STEP PLAN, THE PLAN STEPS AFTER PLACEMENT WHEN WE GET INTO THAT APPLICATION WILL TAKE THE PLACE BOTH OF THE ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE MERIT.
SO THEY'RE BOTH CONTAINED IN THE STEP.
AND SO, UH, PRESUMING, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD EVALUATION AND MEETING SOME OTHER CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS PIECE, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, SOMEONE WOULD MOVE FROM ONE STEP TO THE NEXT, UH, AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT WOULD, LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD BE BOTH THE COST OF LIVING PIECE AND THE MERIT PIECE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE THOUGH IS WE'VE ANTICIPATED YOU COULD HAVE A YEAR IN WHICH THE, UH, THE STEP AMOUNT IS LESS THAN PERHAPS WHAT WE GIVE TO THE, ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
IN THAT CASE, THE WHOLE PAY PLAN WOULD ADJUST BY THAT INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCE, AND THAT WAY THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE HARMLESS THERE.
WE DID, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT OUR POLICE OFFICERS INTO A DEFICIT SITUATION IF WE'RE HAVING A PRETTY GOOD BUDGET YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GIVE OTHERS.
UM, YOU HAVE IN THERE, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND...
IT SHOWS YOU BASICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO- TODAY, UH, CURRENTLY.
AND THE BIG EMPHASIS HERE IS THE STARTING PAY FOR RECRUIT POLICE OFFICER.
YOU WON'T SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE, AT LEAST IN INITIAL PLACEMENT, UH, OR THE FIRST, UH, MINIMUM FOR THE OTHER POSITIONS.
IT'S MORE OF AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGE.
BUT ALL OF THE OFFICERS EXCEPT ASSISTANT CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF ARE IN THIS PLAN.
AND SO, UH, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
AND BEFORE I GET TOO FAR INTO THIS TOO, I'LL ASK, UH, JIM, IF YOU WANNA...
AND APRIL, IF YOU GUYS WANNA COME ON UP, MAYBE AT THE END OF THE TABLE OR WHEREVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, BECAUSE THERE YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE BETTER SUITED TO, UH, ACTUALLY ADDRESS ME.
THEY WERE INTO THE REAL DETAILS.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, IS ON A STEP ONE UNCERTIFIED, THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THIS ORIGINAL, WHAT WE DO TODAY IS A RECRUIT, RIGHT? SO ONCE YOU PASS THROUGH ALL THAT, OR IF YOU COME IN LATERAL, YOU'RE FULLY CERTIFIED, YOU'D START AT A STEP TWO.
SO IN ESSENCE, FOR A RECRUIT, THE BEGINNING PAY AND PLACEMENT NOW WOULD GO FROM THE 65,499 FOR THE POLICE OFFICER RECRUIT TO THE 68,000.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE POLICE OFFICER, IT SHOWS THE 7,429.
AND THEN ONCE SOME - ONCE THEY'RE...
AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE A LATERAL, WHICH MEANS FROM AN OUTSIDE AGENCY, YOU HAVE SO MANY YEARS, WE GET CERTIFIED WITH SO MANY YEARS, THEY CAN PLACE YOU INTO A DIFFERENT STEP.
AND THEN EACH YEAR, AS I JUST MENTIONED, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UH, THE MOVEMENT BASED ON EVALUATION AND BUDGET TIME, UM, IT'S A STEP TO STEP TO STEP THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FULL INCREASE FOR THE PERSON ACROSS THE BOARD, COST OF LIVING PORTION AND, UH, THE MERIT PORTION.
SO THE, THE STEP PERCENTAGES FROM STEP TO STEP VERY LITTLE BIT.
GENERALLY SPEAKING EARLY ON, IT'S JUST RIGHT AROUND 5%, JUST A TOUCH OVER 5%.
AND CORRECT ME IF I MISSED SOMETHING ON HERE, JIM.
AND THEN, BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH STEP 11, IT ACTUALLY DOES START TO DECLINE A LITTLE BIT.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO STEP 11, IT'S MORE LIKE, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 3.4, 3.5, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT REAL QUICK TOO, I APPRECIATE IS, IS APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE CULTURE THAT CHIEF CAN SIT DOWN, NOT JUST WITH HIS ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, OR, UH, CAPTAINS AND SO FORTH, BUT WITH OFFICERS, HAVE DISCUSSIONS, TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, AND DO IT IN A VERY OPEN, FAMILY-ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN KIND OF WORK THROUGH PAY PLAN.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DECISION PIECES IN A PAY PLAN.THAT LOOKS PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT YOU THINK ABOUT PROMOTIONS AND TALKING ABOUT PROMOTIONS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS, UM, THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE ADDRESSED.
AND SO WE BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB HAVING THAT INTERNAL COMMUNICATION, POSITIVE COMMUNICATION, TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS.
SO WE THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PAY PLAN HERE.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, WE MAY RUN INTO SOMETHING, BECAUSE YOU JUST NEVER KNOW NEXT YEAR OR TWO WHERE WE SAY, "OH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, OR DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD AFFECT IT THIS, THIS WAY OR THAT WAY." IF WE HAVE TO GO AND TWEAK IT AND BRING IT BACK, WE'LL DO THAT.
VERY OPEN, VERY PRAGMATIC TO THAT.
WE WANT THIS TO WORK FOR EVERYONE.
UM, LONG-TERM, WHEN THEY COSTED IT OUT OVER ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE STEPS, AND I BELIEVE, JIM, YOU CAN, UH, UH, UH, UH, FILL THIS IN IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN ESSENCE, THE INITIAL COST OF THIS IS REALLY MORE SO ON THE PLACEMENT, BUT AFTER THAT, IT REALLY DOESN'T APPEAR TO COST MORE OR MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THIS, THIS ISN'T...
THIS IS BEFORE, LIKE, MERIT PAY.
WHEN, WHEN, ONCE EVERYONE'S...
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, ONCE WE PLACE EVERYONE IN THE STEP, THERE WILL BE INCREASES BECAUSE WE'RE INTENDING TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WITH PARTICULARLY THE FOLKS AROUND US THAT
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ARE ULTRA COMPETITIVE WITH US SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE OFFICERS.AND WE REALLY THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT BETTER WITH THIS PLAN.
SO INITIALLY, YOU'LL SEE, UH, UH, PAY INCREASES FOR THOSE PLACED INTO HERE, AND AFTER THAT, WHEN WE GO STEP TO STEP TO STEP, EACH YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A STEP.
THAT STEP WILL COMPRISE BOTH THE COST OF LIVING PIECE AND THE MERIT PIECE WITHIN THAT STEP.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DON'T THEY HAVE SOME BUILT-IN EXTRA STEPS THAT THE EXTRA INCREMENTAL PAY THEY CAN GET? WELL, YEAH, FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF ASSIGNMENTS AND DIFFERENT TYPES.
YEAH, JIM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT YEAH.
SO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCES DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL THAT YOU ALL INCREASED, UH, EARLIER.
UH, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE FTO PAY, OUR TRAINING OFFICE.
THIS IS JUST STRICTLY A BASE PAY.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL SUPPLEMENT PIECE TOO.
ONE LAST QUESTION AND I WON'T HAVE ANY MORE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN UNCERTIFIED AND A CERTIFIED OFFICER? SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY AND THEY'RE CERTIFIED BY THE POST COMMISSION - SO THAT'S THE POLICE ACADEMY.
THE RECRUIT, WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD RECRUIT, THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS A- AND WE REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO GO THROUGH THAT.
YEAH, BEFORE THEY'RE ON THE STREET, ABSOLUTELY.
SO I, I THINK, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THEY'VE SPENT IN, IN, IN APRIL AND JIM AND THEIR, AND JIM'S FOLKS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
I THINK THEY'VE THOUGH THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.
WE'VE HAD FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATIONS.
I FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND SO WE, WHAT WE'LL LEARN IN THE FIRST YEAR OR SO, WE WILL LEARN IS, IS THERE A PLACE FOR THIS, A PAY PLAN? I'M USED TO STEP PLANS.
I'VE SEEN THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT IS THERE A, A, A LIKELY APPLICATION WITH ANOTHER FUNCTION OR FUNCTIONS, OTHER DEPARTMENTS? AND THERE MIGHT BE.
WE, WE'RE GONNA LEARN FROM THIS AND SEE AND SEE HOW WE COMPARE, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, AND WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT AND SEE IF IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN OTHERS IN THE STEP PLAN.
HOW MANY OFFICERS DO WE USUALLY HIRE IN A YEAR? IS, IS THERE ROUGHLY A NUMBER? IT VARIES YEAR TO YEAR.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING HIRING A LOT IF THIS IS APPROVED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOWN SEVEN.
AND WE HAVE TWO RETIREMENTS PENDING.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S GONNA VARY YEAR TO YEAR.
IF THEY'RE BEING POACHED BY A SHERIFF THAT USED TO WORK HERE...
IS THERE A WHAT WE SAW IS, UH, ONCE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IMPLEMENTED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LATERAL HIRING POLICY, WHICH ALLOWED SOMEONE WITH 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE TO HIRE IN AT MAX PAY AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE LOST 10 YEAR EMPLOYEES WHO HAD NOT HAD SUCCESS IN PROMOTION HERE.
SO THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM, AND SO THEY LEFT TO GO SEEK THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THE PAY AT THAT TIME WAS ACTUALLY MORE FOR A 10-YEAR EMPLOYEE HIRING IN AT THE COUNTY THAN IT WAS HERE.
AND SO THIS HELPS CORRECT THAT.
UH, AN OFFICER THAT WORKS HERE WILL HAVE ONE OF THE MOST COMPETITIVE PAY PLANS UNDER, UNDER THE STEP PLAN, ANYWHERE AROUND.
THEY'LL HAVE THE BEST OFF - UH, BEST RETIREMENT THAT'S OFFERED ANYWHERE AROUND.
AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE AGENCY THAT WILL HAVE A 10-YEAR, 100,000 PLUS TOP OUT WITH TCRS, UH, ENHANCED RETIREMENT BRIDGE, AND THAT'S THE HIGHWAY PATROL.
THEY'RE THE ONLY OTHER AGENCY THAT REALLY WILL COMPETE, UH, ON PAPER WITH US.
I WAS JUST WONDERING - YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT QUESTION IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS APPROACH.
WHEN I WAS IN THE INDUSTRY, WE WERE LOSING YOUNG, VERY YOUNG HIRES.
THEY, THEY WORKED FOR US FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN THEY FELT LIKE THEY'D BE TRYING TO GO ON.
AND WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A STEP PLAN.
WE, WE PUT INTO EFFECT WHERE WE GAVE THEM $5,000 AND SAID, "IF YOU STAY FIVE YEARS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT BACK." AND, UM, THAT, THAT WAS A WAY THAT YOU CAN KEEP THE YOUNGER PEOPLE.
THE STEP PLAN IS WHAT YOU REALLY NEED FOR YOUR, YOUR SITUATION.
YEAH, WE DID BASE THIS OFF OF PERP STUDIES.
SO THE POLICE EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM CONDUCTS STUDIES THAT TELL US YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN OFFICER FIVE YEARS TO HAVE A CHANCE AT, AT RETAINING THEM LONG TERM.
IF YOU CAN KEEP THEM 10 YEARS, UH, YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH SUCCESS RATE OF KEEPING THEM UNTIL RETIREMENT.
BUT THOSE FIRST FIVE YEARS ARE IMPERATIVE.
AND THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE MY STEP IS HIGHER THE FIRST FIVE YEARS THAN IT IS - UH-HUH.
SO WE HAVE HIGHER STARTING PAYS AND THEN, AND THEN WHEN WE PLACE OUR OTHER FOLKS INTO THIS, THERE'LL BE ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE ENTRY LEVEL POLICE OFFICER.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE STEPS.
SO WE THINK, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HEDGE, HEDGE THAT AND NOT HAVE THAT IMPACT.
BUT, UH, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A
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YEAR THAT, UH, UH, APRIL WILL, AND, AND, AND HER FOLKS WILL DO THE, UH, GET A CONSULTANT AND WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF OUR SALARIES.WE DO THAT EVERY SO MANY YEARS.
WE'LL STILL HAVE THEM LOOK HERE BECAUSE WE WANT, WE WANT THAT FRESH PERSPECTIVE AS WELL, BUT WE REALLY THINK THIS SHOULD HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF OUR CHALLENGES, AT LEAST IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.
WE MAY HAVE TO AGAIN ADAPT IN TIME.
THAT'S OKAY IF WE DO, WE JUST ANTICIPATE, UH, THAT WE MAY NEED TO.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA NOT LOOK AT THIS FOR 10 YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
SINCE LAST MAYOR, EVEN BEFORE COVID, PROBABLY STARTED ABOUT 2015 OR 2016, WE WERE ALREADY SEEING THE ISSUES WON WITH HIRING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PAY AND ALL OF THAT.
WHEN COVID HIT, IT SEEMED TO ACCELERATE.
AND THE ONE THING THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE MADE SO CLEAR IS SECURITY IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST OUR MONEY ANYWHERE, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA INVEST IT.
BUT I'M ALSO GONNA WARN ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FROM WHAT I'VE WATCHED AND WHAT I'VE SEEN, WHAT I'VE DISCUSSED AND WHAT I'VE STUDIED, THERE MAY BE AN ARMS RACE ON THIS.
AND SO WE'LL NEED TO BE PREPARED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE UNDOUBTEDLY WANT THE BEST IN BRENTWOOD.
I RECALL JEFF HUGHES TELLING ME THAT I AGREE, WE HAVE TO PAY WELL.
BUT PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH GETTING, HIRING PEOPLE WERE OUR STANDARDS, HE SAID WE CAN INTERVIEW 10 PEOPLE AND MIGHT FIND ONE.
SO IT WASN'T A LACK OF PEOPLE APPLYING.
IT WAS A LACK OF PEOPLE APPLYING THAT WE FOUND ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.
AND WHEN WE FIND THAT KIND, I THINK WE NEED TO PAY THEM WELL.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE THAT GOOD, THAT GIVES THEM, THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE.
I'VE ALWAYS ACTUALLY SAID IN THEIR LAST, WHEN THEY BUMPED THE POLICE OFFICERS UP, THEIR STATEMENT WAS, "WE WILL BE THE BEST PAID." I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE ARMS RACE STARTING.
THEY SAID THAT - IT'S CLEARLY GOING ON.
AND I WOULD ALSO PUT TEACHERS PROBABLY IN THAT CATEGORY AS WELL.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROFESSION, TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING, BUT IT'S, UM, WE'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS HERE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T STUMBLE ON BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES VERY ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE IS OUR SECURITY SAFETY.
THERE'S NOTHING MORE HIGH PROFILE THAN A POLICE OFFICER.
AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT OURS ACT IN A MEASURED WAY.
I DON'T REMEMBER BEING EMBARRASSED BY ANY OF OUR POLICEMEN'S ACTIONS OR WORDS OVER THE YEARS.
AND, AND THAT'S WORTH 10,000 FOLKS RIGHT THERE.
IT ALMOST MAKES YOU WANNA GET PULLED OVER, DOESN'T IT?
AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVERYWHERE.
AND, UH, YEAH, YOU DO WANNA, YOU WANNA PAY WHAT IT GETS TO HAVE THAT PERSON AND KEEP THAT PERSON.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE HAVE, IT'S ONE OF MANY GREAT FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE, SO.
THAT'S A VERY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION.
UM, SO IS SOMEBODY AUTOMATICALLY MOVED TO STEP TWO ONCE THEY'VE BEEN CERTIFIED FOR A YEAR OR DO THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I SEE HERE THERE'S LIKE RECLASSIFICATIONS, UH, STEP PROGRESSION, PROMOTIONS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO DO THEY, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER, UM, THE NEWER PEOPLE, UM, CAN THEY MOVE...
IS, IS THERE A RANGE, I GUESS, WITHIN THAT STEP BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA DO NIGHT SHIFTS OR DO OVERTIME AT THE 4TH OF JULY, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR MAKE IT, ARE THEY GUARANTEED THAT THEY'RE MOVING UP EVERY - SO THEY HAVE TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THEIR PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
AND THAT'S ONE YEAR FOR AN OFFICER.
AND SO EVERY JULY ONE AFTER THAT, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PERFORMING AT A SATISFACTORY OR ABOVE LEVEL ON THEIR ANNUAL PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, THEY'LL MOVE TO THAT NEXT STEP ON JULY ONE.
THIS IS PROBABLY WAY TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS IF THEY'RE
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NOT SATISFACTORY, BUT THERE'S THINGS THEY CAN DO TO REACH SATISFACTORY.DO YOU PUMP THEM THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS IF THEY REACH THAT POINT OR THEY WAIT TILL THE NEXT? WAIT TILL THE NEXT JULY.
AND SO WITHIN THE RANKS THEN OF SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT AND CAPTAIN, THOSE STEPS ARE MORE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT WORK, PERFORMANCE AND OTHER THINGS THEY DO IN THE DEPARTMENT THEN AS OPPOSED TO TIME? ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, IT'S THE, UH, UM, COST OF LIVING PIECE AND THE MERIT PIECE, THEY LOOK AT THE MERIT SIDE OF THAT.
SO THE PERFORMANCE HAS TO BE, MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE WOULD EXPECT MOST EVERYONE TO MEET THAT OR THEY'RE PROBABLY IN TROUBLE AND THEY HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
WE HAVE ONE RETIREMENT COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND ANOTHER IN JANUARY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE STEP PLAN? I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME AND WORK BECAUSE RETENTION AND WE CAN HAVE THE BEST PARKS AND THE BEST LIBRARY AND THE BEST AWESOME CITY AND WORKPLACE, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE SAFETY AND PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF US WHEN WE'RE HURT, IT'S, I MEAN, NOBODY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU WALK OUT OF THE LIBRARY AND YOU FEEL SAFE AND IF YOU STUMBLE OR FALL AND GET IN A CAR WRECK AND YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, FIRE TO COMPEL.
ANYWAY, IT, IT'S, THAT'S THE BEDROCK TO ME.
UH, OBVIOUSLY JASON WAS OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.
UH, HR HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, FINANCE, UH, CHRIS.
NIXUR HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS EVERY DAY FOR PROBABLY A YEAR.
AND, UH, SO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND ALL THE HELP.
JUST THE, THE, REAL QUICK, THE, UH, CURRENT YEAR FISCAL IMPACT IS, UH, ESTIMATED AT 470,000.
AGAIN, WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE BUDGET SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, AT THIS POINT, LOOK AT AMENDING THE BUDGET.
THE ANNUALIZED IMPACT IS ABOUT $764,000, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT IT'S IN YOUR, IN YOUR BOOKLET.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS RELATED PRIMARILY TO THIS.
IT HAS SOME OTHER CHANGES, BUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH WE ADOPT OR MODIFY FROM TIME TO TIME, A LOT OF THE CHANGES ARE TO BRING IN THAT STEP PLAN BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE SAY, UH, WITHOUT A STEP PLAN, IF YOU GET A PROMOTION, YOU GO UP A PARTICULAR PERCENT, WELL, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF IT'S IN BETWEEN A STEP.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF CHANGES THAT ARE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE STEP PLAN THAT DEAL WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES THAT ARE, UH, ALSO DEAL WITH THE, UM, UH, THAT ARE UNRELATED TO THE POLICE STEP PLAN THAT ARE RELATED TO OUR GENERAL PAY PLAN.
PRETTY MINOR, A LOT OF CLARIFICATION ITEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, A CLARIFICATION IS FORMALIZING THE EXISTING PRACTICE OF REQUIRING A NEW BACKGROUND CHECK FOR FORMER EMPLOYEES FOR DUE.
WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IN HERE.
WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THE, UH, WE HAD CLARIFICATION ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, AEMT AND PARAMEDIC PAY SUPPLEMENTS THAT YOU DID, THAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FULLY INCORPORATE THE PROPER LANGUAGE THERE.
UH, PROBATIONARY PERIOD, PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, AGAIN, CLARIFYING, UH, OTHER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, TUITION REIMBURSEMENT.
WE MADE SOME CLARIFICATIONS IN THERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE FIRE AND RELATING TO REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEIR LICENSURE AND CERTIFICATIONS IN, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY LICENSURE, BUT CERTIFICATIONS THERE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS FOR THOSE CERTIFICATIONS AND THOSE WHO PROVIDE THEM IS CHANGING.
WE JUST WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT.
SO IT'S NOT A BIG CHANGE.YOU WON'T NOTICE A DIFFERENCE, BUT THOSE ARE SORT OF THE MAIN THINGS.
APRIL, AM I MISSING ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT? OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS? IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE IN THERE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS THERE? YOU GOT PLENTY OF PAGES TOO IF YOU REALLY WANT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE THIS.
WE ALWAYS COMPLIMENT THE POLICE AND THE FIRE AND THE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE LIBRARY PLANNING.
AND THEY GIVE OUT AWARDS TO FINANCE AND PLANNING.
I NEVER HEARD OF THE HUMAN RESOURCE NETWORK, SO THANK YOU.
THEY PUT ALL THE PARTIES AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER REALLY SAID MUCH ABOUT, AND IT'S GRINDING DAY TO DAY WORK WITH VERY LITTLE GLORY.
IT'S, IT'S THE GLUE, RIGHT? IT'S THE GLUE THAT HELPS PUT, KEEP THE, PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER AND KEEP THEM TOGETHER AND, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.
NOTHING HAPPENS TO OTHER PEOPLE.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST ITEM YOU HAVE HERE IS A NEW BUSINESS APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE STORE COMMISSION.
THIS IS THE EXTRA, THIS IS THE NEW POSITION.
I KNOW SHE'S DONE IT FOR YEARS.
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THE, THE, THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL SPOT THAT WE LOOK AT.BUT WHAT SURPRISED ME THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED, YOU KNOW.
READY TO GET INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SURE.
WE'RE HERE TO GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO, WELL, WE HAVE LIZ FIELDS WITH MBC AND WE HAVE KAYLA FERGUSON WITH BIRCH TRANSPORTATION.
I HAVE TO LEAVE AT 11 FOR A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, SO DON'T BE OFFENDED IF I GET UP AND LEAVE IT.
UM, OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR, YOU KNOW, WANNA INTERRUPT, FEEL FREE, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT MOVING SO WE CAN HIT EVERYTHING.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER ON YOUR PHONE.
UM, SO IF YOU WANNA GET IT SET UP NOW, YOU CAN.
YOU WOULD JUST SCAN THAT QR CODE WITH YOUR PHONE CAMERA AND IT'LL BRING IT UP.
UM, OR WHEN WE GET TO THE FIRST QUESTION, THE QR CODE WILL COME UP AGAIN.
UM, AND SO THERE'LL JUST BE A COUPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO ANSWER A QUESTION ON YOUR PHONE.
SO I'LL KEEP IT MOVING, BUT THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY IF YOU MISS THE QR CODE.
YOU HAVE TO HIT THE YELLOW BUTTON.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE TIME? WHICH ONE? THANK YOU.
THE CAMERA AND THEN SHINE IT UP HERE.
YEAH, I THOUGH I DID IT RIGHT.
YOU GOTTA HIT THE YELLOW BUTTON.
THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS HAVE TRUMP.
AND THEN JUST LEAVE IT UNTIL EVERY QUESTION.
OKAY, SO HERE'S ALL THE STUFF WE WANT TO COVER TODAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT, BUT WE'RE GONNA START WITH KIND OF A QUICK PROJECT UPDATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH YOU ALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SO KIND OF AT THAT TOP WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, WHAT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS.
WE'VE BEEN MOVING THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY WELL.
IT'S BEEN A VERY SMOOTH AND, UM, NICE PROCESS SO FAR.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INPUT AND FEEDBACK, UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED WITH HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
SO THESE WERE KIND OF OUR INITIAL PROJECT GOALS THAT WE IDENTIFIED AT THE START OF THE PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF THIS STILL RINGS TRUE WITH THE FEEDBACK AND THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR AS WELL.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA DO A QUICK UPDATE OF KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE PROPOSED A THREE PHASE, UM, APPROACH FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO PHASE ONE WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE KICKOFF STUFF, OUR FIRST PRESENTATION, PROJECT MANAGEMENT PLAN, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, MOVING ON TO PHASE TWO, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FINISHING UP PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND SO PHASE TWO IS WHEN THE BULK OF THE PLANNING WORK HAPPENS.
UM, THE SURVEY AND ALL OF THAT, UM, WAS IN THIS PHASE AND A LOT OF THE RESEARCH AND THINGS THAT WENT INTO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND SO WE ARE MOSTLY DONE WITH PHASE TWO.
WE ARE KIND OF DRAFTING THAT, UM, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN CHAPTER.
WE'RE FINISHING UP SOME FUTURE LAND USE DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND WE'RE REVIEWING RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, WITH BOARDS STILL.
SO, UH, WE'RE ALMOST DONE HERE.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO PHASE THREE, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE DRAFT THE PLAN, WE REVIEW IT, WE GET IT ADOPTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, PHASE THREE IS WHEN IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
AND WE'RE KIND OF CURRENTLY WORKING ON THOSE BOLDED ITEMS, DESIGNING THE PLAN, STARTING TO DRAFT THINGS, UM, AND THEN THE UNBOLDED THINGS ARE KIND OF THE UPCOMING, UM, THINGS THAT WE'LL DO.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE STATUS OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
FOR THE ENGAGEMENT REPORT, WE PRODUCED AN ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY, UM, THAT I BELIEVE YOU ALL RECEIVED THAT SUMMARIZES BASICALLY ALL THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THUS FAR IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY, THE BUSINESS SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERY BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY, OUR, UM, ADVISORY COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND THEN ALSO OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEW DISCUSSIONS AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAD.
WE HAD KIND OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC MEETING AND WE HAD THE TRANSPORTATION FOCUSED PUBLIC MEETING.
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UM, AND SO WITH ALL OF THAT, FOR THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, WE SENT OUT, UM, OVER 15,000 POSTCARDS TO EVERY RESIDENT AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 1863, SO 1,863 RESPONSES BACK.THAT IS THE UPDATED NUMBER WITH DUPLICATES REMOVED.
WE DID LOOK AT THE RESPONSES, UM, TO SEE IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE RESPONDED WITH THE SAME NUMBER OR THE SAME ADDRESS.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS 29 INSTANCES WHERE WE HAD DUPLICATES.
UM, SO WE REMOVED THOSE DUPLICATES, UM, BUT IT WAS A REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL RESULTS.
SO THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED IN HERE, UM, BUT IT DIDN'T AFFECT REALLY ANY OF THE FINDINGS.
WE HAD 19 BUSINESS SURVEY RESPONSES, SO THAT WAS A DISAPPOINTING NUMBER, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TRYING TO GET THE POSTCARD WE SENT INTO THE HANDS OF THE RIGHT PERSON IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
SO I LOOK AT THESE KIND OF 19 BUSINESS RESPONSES AS IF I TALKED TO 19 PEOPLE IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT ANECDOTAL QUALITATIVE, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK OF, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A VALID EXPERIENCE AND IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, 20% OF THE BUSINESSES IN BRENTWOOD SAID X, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO REALLY KIND OF GIVE THAT QUANTITATIVE, UM, RESPONSE.
AND SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT KIND OF RESPONSE AROUND THE BUSINESS SURVEY, BUT YOU WILL SEE PERCENTAGES AND NUMBERS AROUND THE RESIDENT SURVEY.
JUST A POINT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS TOO, THEY WENT OUT AND THEY STRESSED THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS SURVEY THAT RETURNED 12% RESPONSE RATE IS FANTASTIC.
I MEAN, Y'ALL WERE REALLY ENTHUSED WITH THAT DOWN THERE.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE BUSINESS SURVEY POINT.
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE THAT MAYBE WE TAKE OUR TOP BUSINESSES, THE COSTCO, THE HOME DEPOT, THE TOTAL WINES, TAKE THOSE BIG ONES.
I STILL THINK WE OUGHT TO GO BACK WITH THEM AND, AND MAKE ONE MORE PASS AND SAY, "HERE'S THIS SURVEY," OR YOU TAKE THE SURVEY RESULTS WHICH YOU GO INTO.
BUT I, KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS TO GET THAT POSTCARD INTO THE RIGHT HANDS AND KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THOSE TAX DOLLARS ARE TO US, I THINK THAT THE KEY BUSINESS PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT AND, AND FEEL LIKE THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.
YEAH, WE, WE DO A LOT OF SURVEYS FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND 1800 RESPONSES IS FANTASTIC.
I MEAN, WE'RE THRILLED WITH TWO TO 300 RESPONSES TO A SURVEY.
SO, YOU KNOW - YOU COULD REALLY HEAR THAT IN Y'ALL'S VOICES POINT WHEN WE QUESTIONED IT.
THEY WERE LIKE, "OH MY GOSH." AND, AND - IT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT WAS, IT'S VERY EXCITING FROM, YOU KNOW, A CONSULTANT STANDPOINT TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF RESPONSE.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH, YOU KNOW, A SURVEY THAT MAYBE 50 TO 100 PEOPLE FILL OUT AND TRYING TO SAY LIKE, "HEY, YOUR COMMUNITY SAID THIS," AND IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG ENOUGH SAMPLE SIZE TO LIKE PROVIDE THAT ACCURATE NUMBER.
BUT WITH THE 12% RESPONSE RATE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF WE GOT 3,000 OR 10,000 AT THIS POINT.
THE FINDINGS, UM, AREN'T GOING TO STATISTICALLY CHANGE MUCH KIND OF AT THIS POINT, SO.
AND THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTION KIND OF WE HAD, WE HAD HAD, UM, THIS IS A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH JASON IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD CHANGE WITH MORE INPUT AND THE, THE ANSWER SEEMS TO BE NOT JUST A WHOLE LOT.
SO IN TERMS OF BANG FOR THE BUCK OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE REALLY GET FROM THE EFFORT, SO.
YEAH, DEFINITELY THE BUSINESS KIND OF IS A SEPARATE THING, BUT FROM A RESIDENT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE REALLY HAPPY AND BROUGHT THAT NUMBER.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE HEARD.
SO ALL OF THIS IS IN THAT ENGAGEMENT REPORT, UM, BUT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PROTECTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER, MANAGING GROWTH, UM, YOU KNOW, SLOW STRATEGIC GROWTH, IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, INVESTING IN OUR EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK AROUND THAT WAS LET'S, UH, MODERNIZE AND IMPROVE OUR EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS INSTEAD OF CREATING NEW COMMERCIAL AREAS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, LOOKING INTO HOUSING NEEDS AND ADDRESSING HOUSING NEEDS, UM, SPECIFICALLY AROUND SENIOR HOUSING AND DOWNSIZING OPTIONS.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF WHAT WE HEARD ALSO IN THE ENGAGEMENT REPORT.
WERE THERE ANY, LIKE, REALLY, MAYBE JUST A FEW, BUT OF THOSE 18,000 RESPON - OR 1800 RESPONSES, WERE THERE ANY, WHERE THERE WERE A FEW, UM, REALLY
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OFF FROM THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE, THE MAIN, KIND OF LIKE YOUR BELL CURVE WHERE IT GOT THE 2% ON EITHER END, WERE THERE - YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE EXTREMES, UM - WERE THEY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXTREMES WERE THE SAME KIND OF NEW IDEA OR RADICAL, DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE ARE? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WITH 1800 RESPONSES, WE'RE GONNA BE USING, YOU KNOW, AI AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO HELP SUMMARIZE.AND SO WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO, LIKE, LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ONE AND JUST BECAUSE THERE MAY BE AN IDEA OUT THERE THAT TURNS OUT TO BE IMPORTANT AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT RIGHT NOW OR ARE FOCUSED ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IT MAY END UP BEING SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED TO LOOK AT EARLIER, SO.
SO JANET, YOU'RE THINKING LIKE OPEN-ENDED, WHERE THERE'S AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION WHERE MIGHT BE AN IDEA OF MOVING IN? RIGHT.
IT, IT, IN ADDITION TO SENIOR HOUSING OR DOWNSIZING, WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THAT HAD SOME OTHER PROBLEM THAT THEY RECOGNIZED OR, OR AREA THEY WANTED TO - AND WE DO HAVE THE RESULTS, THE FULL RESULTS EXPORTED INTO AN EXCEL DOCUMENT THAT HAS ALL THE OPEN-ENDED THINGS TOO.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS THAT, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT FULL EXCEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SUMMARY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ALL WANT TO PERUSE THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT ALONG.
JUST CAUTION PEOPLE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT RUNNING DOWN BLOODY TRAILS AND TRYING TO MANAGE BASED ON THE EXCEPTIONS, NOT THE RULE.
BUT I'M JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF IDEAS OF MORE OF A, OF A.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE IT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE 2040 PLAN TO REFLECT A VERY MINOR OPINION.
BUT BE AWARE THAT IT'S OUT THERE BECAUSE IT MAY COME BACK TO BITE YOU SOMETIMES.
UH, AS YOU GUYS, UH, PRODUCE THESE PLANS, DOES THE, UH, COMMERCIAL RESPONSE TO THESE SURVEYS, IS IT VASTLY DIFFERENT GENERALLY SPEAKING THAN, THAN THE RESIDENTIAL RESPONSE OR? WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING.
SO FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE INTERESTED IN LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT OR ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE AROUND, YOU KNOW, YOUR BUSINESS? IS IT TRAFFIC? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T RECRUIT THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TOO FAR? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
SO YOU'RE GENERALLY NOT HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT INCREASING SENIOR HOUSING? CORRECT, CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOUR EMPLOYEES ABLE TO FIND THE HOUSING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? BUT IT, YEAH, SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT - SO HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE THE, THE MARGINAL SMALL NUMBER, WHAT'S YOUR COMPONENT? YEAH, SO THE BUSINESS FEEDBACK, YOU'RE GONNA SEE INCORPORATED MORE INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND MARYLAND FARMS, AROUND YOUR COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO THE, UM, WE HAD ALSO SOME SPECIFIC, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOYLE AND HIGHWOODS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR BIG COMMERCIAL PEOPLE.
AND SO WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD INSIGHT FROM THEM.
AND SO KIND OF INCORPORATING THOSE IDEAS INTO KIND OF THE OVERALL COMMERCIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'LL SEE INCORPORATED THAT WAY.
SO KIND OF SUMMARIZING THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
SO THE VISION STATEMENT, UM, WE'RE GONNA START KIND OF BIG PICTURE AND THEN WORK TO MORE SPECIFIC THINGS.
SO OUR VISION STATEMENT FOR YOUR PLAN IS YOUR BIGGEST KIND OF OVERALL STATEMENT OF HOW YOU WANT BRENTWOOD TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR BRENTWOOD IN 2040? UM, WE A - WE CREATED THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF VISION STATEMENTS AND PRESENTED THESE THREE OPTIONS TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND SO AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE PRESENTED THESE THREE OPTIONS.
SO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE KIND OF, UM, MORE FOCUSED ON PRESERVATION.
YOU KNOW, THE SECOND ONE WAS REALLY KIND OF SHORT AND SWEET.
THE THIRD ONE WAS KIND OF MORE ABOUT, UM, CONNECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS THAT THEY PREFERRED THREE, BUT THEY LIKED SOME ASPECTS OF ONE.
UM, AND WE DID GET FEEDBACK TOO THAT THEY LIKED THE LOOK OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE BULLETEDS MAKING IT EASY TO SEE KIND OF THE POP-UP TOPICS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE INCORPORATED ALL THAT FEEDBACK INTO - I DON'T HAVE IT.
OH, WHAT? THAT'S NOT IN ANY OF YOUR THINGS.
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I DON'T HAVE THAT.THAT WAS AN ATTACHMENT IS ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT WE GOT THE OTHER DAY.
AND THOSE, THOSE ARE THE THREE VISION STATEMENTS THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED.
SO THOSE ON THAT SHEET IS THE, THESE THREE OPTIONS.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE'VE TAKEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THOSE THREE OPTIONS AND CREATED THIS AS KIND OF THE NEW ONE WE WANT YOU TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE FEEDBACK THAT THE COMMITTEE LIKED, AGAIN, SORT OF THESE, HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ WITH THESE TOPICS THAT KIND OF POP OUT, FOCUS ON THESE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SENTENCES AROUND PRESERVATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE WANT TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC GROWTH AND STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS.
UM, WE WANT TO CONNECT PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND DESTINATIONS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY ASKED ABOUT THAT WORD ACCESSIBLE IN THE CONNECT.
AND WE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ACCESSIBLE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT FROM A MULTIMODAL TRANSPOINT, A ADA TRANSPORT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT ACCESSIBLE WORD.
UM - CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM.
STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THOUGH PROGRESS, STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT AND RESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP OF RESOURCES.
UM, HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS? I MEAN, THAT STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT, I'M ASSUMING THAT DOESN'T MEAN FINANCIAL REINVESTMENT ON PART OF THE CITY.
NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING LEGISLATIVE ACTION AND MAYBE ZONING TWEAKS OR WHATEVER TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE.
AND ENCOURAGING THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO REINVEST AND STRENGTHEN YOUR EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE MONEY TO GO, UH, INTO MARYLAND FARMS AND INTO YOUR EXISTING AREAS, NOT INTO BUILDING NEW COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT HOW REALISTIC IS THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT HOW MUCH CAN WE ACTUALLY GUIDE A COMPANY WHO WANTS TO BE OVER HERE TO GO TO MARYLAND FARMS INSTEAD? I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT I DON'T WANNA PROMISE - YEAH, I, I THINK, DAN, I THINK IT'S A LOT LIKE HOW WE ADDRESS THE CELL PHONE ISSUE WHERE IF COMPANIES ARE SLOW TO REINVEST...
SO LIKE WITH CELL PHONE COVERAGE, UM, COMPANIES WERE SLOW TO REINVEST BECAUSE WE HAD CODES IN PLACE THAT MADE IT UNATTRACTIVE.
AND SO - THE CODES AND THINGS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK TO MAKE SURE - I WANT PEOPLE TO THINK WE'RE HEADED TOWARDS TAX INCENTIVES BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY DONE THAT ONE TIME.
AND I AM ADAMANTLY AGAINST EVEN THE SUGGESTION THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF HOW WE GET BUSINESS SOMEWHERE.
IT'S NOT BEEN PART OF OUR HISTORY, SO I WOULDN'T SAY - HOW? UH, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ONLY COME UP ONCE BEFORE AND THAT WAY PREDATES, I THINK, MOST OF US ON THE COMMISSION.
YEAH, BUT I THINK OUR WORDING NEEDS TO NOT BE VAGUE ABOUT REINVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, HOW...
SOME THINGS IN THIS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME AND HOW IT'S PHRASED AND WHAT PROMISES ARE THERE.
REINVESTMENT SUCH AS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LIMITED TO, AND THEN YOU PUT IN A FEW EXAMPLES.
I THINK, LET ME ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS HOW LONG DO YOU WANT YOUR VISION STATEMENT TO BE, RIGHT? HOW SPECIFIC AND HOW LONG, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA DEFINE THE REST OF IT THROUGH THE REST OF THE PLAN.
AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO SEE THAT TO THEN SEE IF WE WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE VISION STATEMENT.
BUT THE STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT, ISN'T THAT BASICALLY SAYING YOU HAVE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS, THERE'S NOT A REAL, UH, NOT A LOT OF PUSH TO ADD COMMERCIAL AREAS, SO WE KNOW - WE ALL KNOW THAT, BUT I THINK OUR LANGUAGE...
I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US WHAT IT MEANS.
IT'S THE PUBLIC WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY THIS TO.
AND, AND ALL I KNOW IS THAT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TOWN CENTER AND MARYLAND FARMS AND ZONING, THEY'RE GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK BECAUSE TO THEM IT'S LIKE, OH, RED FLAG, RED FLAG, AND I DON'T WANNA...
Y'ALL WILL BE LIVING THROUGH THOSE MOBS IN THERE AGAIN.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S BE CAREFUL UP FRONT ABOUT WHAT YOU PUT ON PAPER, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVEN'T FACED A MOB IN THERE.
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WILL.I ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE PLANNING SESSION DOWNSTAIRS AND POINTED OUT, I DIDN'T THINK WE'D EVER GIVEN ANY, UH, FINANCIAL...
I DIDN'T KNOW WE DID IT ONCE, BUT I SAID WE NEVER HAD, BUT I THINK THAT WAS...
THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ALL SEEM TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
BUT EVEN THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION CAN, CAN BE VERY TREACHEROUS AT TIMES BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO BACK AND REVISE OUR, UH, UM, C4 BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY OUTCRY OVER IT.
AND WHAT WE DID THEN WAS WHAT WAS SUGGESTED IN THE 2030, 24, WHATEVER.
WE DID IT THEN AND - REALLY REINVESTMENT, THAT WORD, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.
IF YOU TOOK OUT STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT, YOU SAID THOUGHTFUL GROWTH AND RESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP.
I GUESS IT GETS BACK TO THE, TO THE DEFINITION OF STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIC PRIVATE REINVESTMENT BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS TO REINVEST IN THEIR PROPERTY? I'M JUST SAYING, AND IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE IN THIS PARTICULAR SENTENCE, BUT AS YOU SAID, WHEN IT GETS INTO THE, UH, UH, NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW TO DO IT, LET'S BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE PUT IN THERE AND HOW WE PHRASE IT BECAUSE YOU COULD KILL THIS THING BEFORE IT EVEN GETS OFF THE GROUND IF THE WORDING IS, IS EVEN SUGGESTIVE TO A CERTAIN GROUP IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION THAT TALK ABOUT KIND OF ASKING YOU ALL WHAT REGULATORY THINGS THAT YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IN MARYLAND FARMS. SO WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE I DO THINK VISION STATEMENTS ARE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LESS IMPORTANT THAN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
SO, BUT SPECIFICALLY DID THAT WHEN IT CAME UP, UH, I WAS AT THE MEETING AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THAT PHRASE BECAUSE DOES IT MEAN INFRASTRUCTURE OR DOES IT MEAN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, DOES IT MEAN CODES OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S DEFINING WHAT, WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO TO INVEST ITSELF IN A, IN A PLAN OR IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT...
WE MAY ALL HAVE IN OUR MIND WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A DIFFERENT NOMENCLATURE THAT CAN BE USED TO EXPRESS THAT WITHOUT IT BEING THAT MUCH MORE THINKING.
I'M NOT GONNA THROW OUT, BUT I'VE ALREADY THOUGHT OF FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS IT CAN BE PHRASED FOR ME TO THROW THAT OUT.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA JUST TO MAKE IT MORE CLARIFIED EXACTLY WHAT.
I THINK, AT LEAST MYSELF, I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE MISCONSTRUED.
SO I JUST THINK AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER I AGREE ON A PLAN LIKE THIS PEOPLE WILL TYPICALLY GO TO GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND SPECIFICALLY SEE WHAT STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT MEANS.
BUT, UH, I THINK WE DON'T WANT A PHRASE THERE THAT MIGHT CAUSE A, AN ISSUE IF WE CAN JUST PHRASE IT.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER.
IT'S FUNNY, I LOOKED AT THE NOTES FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND IN THAT MEETING THEY SPECIFICALLY LIKED STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GET DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT THIS HELPS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT POPS OUT TO PEOPLE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S THESE BIG THINGS THAT WE CAN FIX FROM THE GET GO, WE WANT TO.
UM, AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO KEEP LOOKING AT THIS, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THIS IS YOUR ONE TIME TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE VISION STATEMENT.
SO I WILL KEEP ALL OF THAT IN MIND.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT LIKE KIND OF YOUR SUPPORT AROUND IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT THAT.
SO I THINK WE'LL JUST FOR TIME KEEP MOVING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP OVER THIS.
OKAY, SO YEAH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A PLAN, YOUR VISION STATEMENT'S YOUR HIGHEST LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THAT CREATES YOUR OVERALL ASPIRATIONAL VISION AND THEN YOUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT YOU PUT OUT THERE TO IMPLEMENT THAT VISION.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT VISION? AND THOSE ARE STILL GOING TO BE FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THOSE ASPIRATIONAL THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE.
AND THEN THERE'LL STILL BE ANOTHER LEVEL OF DETAIL WITH AN ACTION PLAN THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN YET.
SO THAT, WE'RE STILL, UM, WORKING ON THAT.
BUT LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THE FULL PLAN, YOU'LL HAVE, OKAY, HERE'S OUR VISION, HERE'S OUR GOALS, HERE'S OUR OBJECTIVES FOR HOW WE IMPLEMENT THOSE GOALS, THESE ARE ACTION
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STEPS FOR HOW WE IMPLEMENT THE OBJECTIVES.SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND OF THE LEVELS.
SO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, UM, WHERE WE'VE KIND OF GONE WITH THESE IS, UM, WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WE TOOK AND WE STARTED WITH THE EXISTING 23, 2030 GOALS, REVIEWED THOSE WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK, UM, ARE PROPOSING KIND OF A NEW SET OF THEMES THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE EITHER EXACTLY THE SAME OR VERY SIMILAR, BUT IN SOME CASES WE TRY TO KIND OF COMBINE THINGS.
UM, I REALIZE WITH YOUR EXISTING 2030 THEMES, YOU HAVE SOME VERY BIG OVERARCHING IDEAS LIKE COMMUNITY IDENTITY AND MOBILITY, BUT THEN REALLY SPECIFIC STUFF LIKE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETIREMENT LIVING.
SO TRYING TO KIND OF CREATE THEMES THAT WERE OF A SIMILAR KIND OF LEVEL, UM, JUST KIND OF I FEEL LIKE MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT CLEANER.
SO YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED THEMES, UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE ALL OF THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WERE PROVIDED TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE FOUR MEETINGS JUST ON THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
SO I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, DIGEST THOSE, LOOK AT THOSE.
IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO WORDSMITH IT AND SEND THAT TO ME, GREAT.
IF YOU, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE MISSED THIS CONCEPT, GREAT, LIKE, WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT AROUND THE GOALS, UM, HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET INTO IT IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF MOVE ON AT THIS POINT.
SO FEEL FREE TO SEND US ANY FEEDBACK YOU HAVE ON THOSE AS YOU KEEP LOOKING AT THAT.
NOW KAYLA'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THERAPY PLANS.
UM, SO SINCE WE SAW YOU ALL LAST, WE HAVE, AGAIN, I THINK LIZ SHOWED ALL THIS PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO SLIDES.
WE'VE BEEN PROGRESSING PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THE PLAN PROCESS.
WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING BACK IN JULY THAT I KNOW SOME OF YOU ATTENDED.
UM, AND AFTER THAT MEETING, WE KIND OF TOOK THE FEEDBACK WE SAW THERE, A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE HAD DONE AND A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP OUR MOST FAVORITE PART OF THE MAJOR CAREFARE PLAN, WHICH IS OUR PROJECT LIST.
UM, SO IF YOU ALL RECALL, THE 2030 PLAN BASICALLY DEVELOPED A LIST OF ABOUT 35 PROJECTS AND THAT WAS IT.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS EXPLICITLY ASKED OF US, UM, IN RFQ AND ALSO IN OUR SCOPING PROCESS WAS TO PRIORITIZE THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, SOMETHING WE DO PRETTY MUCH WITH EVERY MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO HIT TOO MANY TIMES.
UH, AND THE REASON WE DO THIS PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY MTP THAT WE ARE INVOLVED IN IS BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE ALWAYS GONNA OUTWEIGH OUR BUDGETS.
UM, AND SO AS CITY STAFF, AS COMMISSIONERS, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO LIKE WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PRIORITY.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU UPDATE YOUR COMP PLAN AT THE SAME TIME YOU UPDATE YOUR MAJOR PLAN, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE ABLE TO GO HAND IN HAND.
WE CAN LINK OUR DATA DRIVEN PRIORITIZATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION NEEDS TO THE GOALS AND THE INPUT THAT WE'RE GETTING ON THE COMP PLAN FRONT.
WE CAN ALWAYS KIND OF DOVETAIL THOSE AND BE ABLE TO SAY, OUR RESIDENTS TOLD US THESE THINGS, THIS IS HOW FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE WE'RE TYING THAT BACK TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PRIORITY.
UM, ANOTHER GREAT THING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION IS AGAIN, IT'S DATA DRIVEN, SO IT MAKES THINGS TRANSPARENT, UM, WHICH GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIBILITY TO THEM.
UM, AND THEN I ALWAYS POINT OUT THIS POINT AT THE VERY BOTTOM, IT'S A STARTING POINT, NOT A FINAL ANSWER.
SO THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME WILL BE A LIST RANKED FROM ONE TO 37 SAYING LIKE THIS IS TECHNICALLY YOUR TOP NEEDED PROJECT BASED ON DIFFERENT METRICS I'M GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT.
UM, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH PROJECTS THAT MAKE THEM HARDER TO IMPLEMENT AND OUR DATA CAN REALLY REPRESENT.
THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES AS DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH AND YOU CAN GET PRIVATE INVESTMENT TO CONTRIBUTE TO INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, A STARTING POINT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE'VE DONE THIS EXERCISE WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE'VE ALSO JUST RECENTLY DONE IT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'RE GETTING Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK TOO.
UM, SO WE ARE ABLE TO KIND OF RECONCILE THE DATA ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE DONE, A LOT OF WHICH WAS PRESENTED AT OUR PUBLIC MEETING AND ALSO LOOK AT PRIORITIES THAT, UM, RESIDENTS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED IN THE SURVEY.
AND THEN ALSO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAS, HAS WORKED ON FOR THE COMP PLAN.
AND THESE KIND OF FIVE AREAS, UH, FOR HOW WE WOULD ORGANIZE OUR DATA TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL IN A MINUTE TO TELL US WHICH ONES OF THESE ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU.
UM, SO I KIND OF WANT TO WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT MEANS AND KIND OF HOW THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS WORKS BECAUSE
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ULTIMATELY IT RESULTS IN KIND OF A LARGE SPREADSHEET TOOL THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN BASICALLY TAKE.THEY CAN MANIPULATE IT AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT THINGS AS PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE.
UM, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH SAFETY.
IF YOU TELL ME THAT SAFETY IS BASICALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR YOU WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO ELEVATE AND RANK HIGHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ON CORRIDORS THAT HAVE A DEMONSTRATED CRASH HISTORY, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT HAVE, UM, DEMONSTRATED CRASHES WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES.
WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING AT IF THE CORRIDOR OR THE PROJECT IS ON THE HIGH INJURY NETWORK FROM THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN THAT THE COUNTY TOOK ON A LITTLE WHILE AGO AND ALSO IF IT'S AT A HIGH CRASH INTERSECTION.
IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT CONGESTION OPERATIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU, WHICH IS A VERY HOT TOPIC AMONGST ALL OF, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS WE'VE SEEN, UM, THAT WILL BE TELLING ME THAT BASICALLY YOU WANT US TO HIGHLY PRIORITIZE THE HIGHLY RANKED PROJECTS THAT ARE ADDRESSING CORRIDORS THAT ARE EXISTING OR HAVE EXISTING CONGESTION ISSUES UNDER CAPACITY.
UM, ONES THAT ARE PROJECTED TO, UH, BE OVER CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE WITH GROWTH, UM, THAT'S HAPPENING REGIONALLY, NOT JUST WITHIN BRENTWOOD.
AND ONES THAT PROJECTS THAT WILL ACTUALLY ADDRESS CONGESTION.
SO TYPICALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR PARTICULAR CAPACITY PROJECTS LIKE YOUR ROADWAY WIDENINGS.
BIKING PEDESTRIAN GREENWAY CONNECTIVITY, IF YOU THINK THAT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, WE'LL BE ELEVATING PROJECTS THAT FILL GAPS.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT WHERE CORRIDORS MAYBE HAVE A GREEN WAY ON ONE END AND A SIDEWALK ON ANOTHER, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO CONNECT THOSE TWO FOR PEOPLE TO WALKING BY.
SO WE'LL BE ELEVATING PROJECTS THAT KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE GAPS IN THE NETWORK.
UH, AND ALSO ONES THAT ARE MULTIMODAL PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY THAT ARE CLOSE TO PARKS, SCHOOLS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF EMPHASIS FROM OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ALSO THE PUBLIC ON PARTICULARLY SCHOOLS AND PARKS CONNECTING THOSE TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEN FOOTPRINT, COST, FEASIBILITY.
UM, WE'RE DEVELOPING PROJECT OR PLANNING LEVEL COSTS FOR EVERY PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WAS NOT DONE IN THE 2030 PLAN, UM, BUT WE'LL BE DOING FOR EVERY PROJECT HERE.
SO WE'LL BE DOING KIND OF AN ESTIMATE AGAINST, WE CALL IT A PLANNING LEVEL BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, IT'S NOT A, A FULL FLEDGED DESIGN, BUT BASED ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT AND WHAT WE'RE ADDING TO A CORRIDOR, WE CAN ESTIMATE HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE NEEDED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH, UM, OR HOW MANY UTILITY POLES ARE ON THE CORRIDOR, UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOT DRAINAGE THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TO KIND OF GET A HIGH LEVEL COST.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BE FACTORING THAT IN.
PEOPLE HAVE GENERALLY TOLD US THAT THEY PRIORITIZE OR THAT THEY LIKE PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
GENERALLY THAT MEANS NOT WIDENING, UM, NOT CONNECTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FACTORS THAT GO INTO THOSE.
AND THEN COMMUNITY SUPPORT, WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO, UM, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CREDENCE TO INPUT THAT WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC ON TYPES OF PROJECTS.
SO ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTERCONNECTION, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A, A, A LIGHTNING ROD ISSUE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AS YOU KNOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A COMMUNITY WE'VE GOT STRENGTHS, WE'VE GOT WEAKNESSES AND WE'VE GOT BLIND SPOTS.
SO WITH NEIGHBORHOOD INTERCONNECTIVITY, I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, HAVING KNOWN ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WEAKNESS THAT WE'VE CHOSEN DELIBERATELY AND THROW PEOPLE ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND CREATE CONGESTION INTENTIONALLY WITH THE INTENT OF TRYING TO LET EVERYONE LIVE IN NON-INTERCONNECTED NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT DO WE ADDRESS IT AS AN INTENTIONAL WEAKNESS OR ARE WE GONNA LEAVE IT AS A BLIND SPOT OR WE DON'T EVEN ADDRESS IT IN THE STUDY AT ALL? SO I WILL SAY THAT WITHIN THE PROJECT LIST NOW, WHICH I REALIZE YOU ALL HAVEN'T SEEN, THE ADVISORY, ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS SEEN IT, STAFF HAS SEEN IT AND KIND OF ITERATED ON IT A FEW TIMES.
I THINK THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS THAT TECHNICALLY CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND TWO OF THEM, I CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ARE ALREADY PART OF AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
UM, SO THERE ARE NOT MANY PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO RETROACTIVELY CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS LIKE YOU, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME, PEOPLE IN FOUNTAINHEAD COMPLAINED A LOT ABOUT TRYING TO GET OUT ON FRANKLIN ROAD AND THERE ARE BOLLARDS WHERE FOUNTAINHEAD CONNECT, COULD CONNECT TO PRINCETON HILLS AND GET PEOPLE OUT ON FRANKLIN ROAD OR ON MURRAY LANE, WHICH COULD HAVE GREATLY IMPROVED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IF THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HADN'T EVEN NOTICED THE BOLLARDS BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S A BLIND SPOT FOR THEM.
WE GOT THAT, WHAT, 30 DIFFERENT SPOTS AROUND THE CITY WHERE WE'VE GOT BOLLARDS PREVENTING NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT THAT'S AN INTENTIONAL CHOICE.
WE'VE GOT THIS OPTION IN CASE TRAFFIC EVER GETS BAD
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ENOUGH OR CONGESTION GETS BAD ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE MAYBE WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT CHOICE.I WILL SAY NARRATIVELY, BECAUSE WE HAVE STARTED DRAFTING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOCUMENT, WE HAVE DOCUMENTED IN SENTENCE FORM, UM, SOME OF THE CONFLICTING PRIORITIES OR THE TENSIONS THAT EXIST BETWEEN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM, THE DESIRE FOR CONNECTIVITY, UM, TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC OR THAT COULD RELIEVE TRAFFIC COMPARED TO THE, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS SAFE, SLOW, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE TRAVELING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE'S THAT KIND OF TENSION.
THERE'S ALSO THE TENSION BETWEEN WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR CERTAIN LAND USE CHARACTER AND OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AS THEY EXIST NOW, BUT THAT CAUSES TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE HAVE DOCUMENTED IT NARRATIVELY.
IT COULD BE WE ARE WORKING, UM, ALONGSIDE KIND OF LIKE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND THAT MOBILITY GOAL.
THERE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC THINGS THAT TALK ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
UM, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO REVISIT AS LIKE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, KIND OF NEXT STEP TO EVALUATE THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE THERE COULD BE CONNECTIVITY, WE CAN.
I WOULD SAY WE HAVE GENERALLY HEARD NOBODY WANTS THAT.
KAYLA, IS THERE, IS THERE A DISCLOSURE BASICALLY, EVEN IF THE PLAN SAYS KEEP DOING IT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT, IS THERE A DISCLOSURE FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE THAT SAYS HERE'S THE IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU KEEP DOING IT OR FROM WHAT YOU'VE DONE? YES.
FOR EXAMPLE, PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE IS AFFECTED.
UM, THE IMPACT THAT, THAT NELSON'S TALKING ABOUT ON THE MAIN ROADS HAVING ONE LOCATION INSTEAD OF DISPERSING INTO TWO DIFFERENT ARTERIAL ROADS, THAT KIND OF THING, THIS IS THE IMPACT.
SO AT LEAST THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL ASPECT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT.
WE HAVE ALREADY DOCUMENTED THAT.
AND, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION TO Y'ALL AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU ALL PREFER TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THINK THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW OR CARE ABOUT CONGESTION AND THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR DOING CERTAIN THINGS OR DO YOU PREFER TO HAVE THEM KNOW THAT AT SOME LEVEL WE PREFER CONNECTION OR THAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT US, WOULD RATHER HAVE US ALLOW CONGESTION TO PRESERVE...
I MEAN I THINK THAT, I THINK THE SECOND IS A STATEMENT THAT'S MORE THAT, THAT REFLECTS THE SITUATION THE BEST AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE, UH, THE NORTH UMBERLAND COMMUNITY WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO CONNECT THAT TO, UH, WHATEVER PART OF RAINTREE THAT IS.
THERE WERE, THEY DID A COMMUNITY, UH, TO, TO RAINTREE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE ON THE, ONE OF THE GLEN CONNECTS IT AND TO CONNECT THOSE TWO ENDS WHERE THERE'S BOLLARDS NOW AND THEY DID A NEIGHBORHOOD PETITION THING AND THERE WERE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WANTED IT OPENED OUT OF THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO, TO SHARE.
I MEAN, NOT THAT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT JUST - NO, BUT IN GENERAL.
THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IS - PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHY IS THE COMMISSION DOING SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT US TO DO.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE 25 OR 30 OF THOSE EXAMPLES.
I'VE GOT ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL OVER TOWN.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND FOLKS BECAUSE, UH, YOU FORGET IF YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH IT AND YOU DON'T SEE THOSE, YOU KIND OF JUST ASSUME LIKE WHAT'S GOING, YOU KNOW, WHY AREN'T THEY DOING SOMETHING? AND THEN YOU KIND OF FORGET, OH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL IT AFFECTS YOU
WE LIVE IN MCAVOCK AND THE, THE, THE VA AND THE SCHOOL.
I MEAN, SO I, AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT - BUT, BUT ALSO, LIKE AT LUNCH YESTERDAY, I MEAN, PEOPLE, THE FIRST THING THE KIDS BROUGHT UP AT YOUTH LEADERSHIP IS WHY IS CONCORD ROAD SO CONNECTED? YEAH.
AND PART OF THE VISION IS SO CONNECTED IS WE'VE GOT 15 NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG CONCORD ROAD THAT ARE NOT INTERCONNECTED SO EVERYBODY'S ON CONCORD ROAD.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IS BECAUSE OF THE FEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE CONNECTIVITIES, THOSE DO BECOME CUT THROUGH.
SO VISUALLY AND PRACTICALLY PEOPLE OVER NEIGHBORHOOD X OVER HERE.
I, I, YOU KNOW, MY FRIEND LIVES ON MAIN ROAD Y AND EVERYBODY COMES THROUGH THERE.
WHERE IF YOU HAVE 20 NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALL HAVE CONNECTIVITY, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ONE CUT THROUGH THAT WAYS IS GONNA TELL YOU EVERY TIME YOU USE.
I'M GLAD I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ACTUALLY A CONGLOMERATION OF FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH ALL HAVE GREAT CONNECTIVITY AND I HAVE ABOUT FIVE WAYS IN AND OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN IT SNOWS OR IT'S INCLEMENT WEATHER OR TRAFFIC'S REAL BAD OR THERE'S A WRECK ON I-65 THAT SHUTS DOWN THE INTERSTATE AND THEY GET THAT FAR EAST AND CUT AROUND THINGS, IT IS REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH.
WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT PEOPLE THAT FIND IT ON WAYS CUTTING THROUGH.
BUT, UM, THERE AGAIN, I THINK IF THERE WAS
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MORE CONNECTIVITY CITYWIDE IN THE PLACES WHERE IT WOULD BE INEXPENSIVE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF SINGLE CUT THROUGH.AND MANY PEOPLE EVEN COMMUNITIES DESIGN THAT WAY.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW, LIKE EVEN THIS WON'T PICK UP ON IT BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH ALGORITHMS SHOWING THAT, OH, WE GOT 150 CARS GOING THROUGH THIS NEW PATH NOW, SO WE'RE GONNA START TELLING EVERYBODY ON OUR APP TO GO THROUGH THAT PATH.
I THINK ONE, ONE WAY THAT WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND MAYBE LEADING TO BETTER DEVELOP, THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN RETROFIT NECESSARILY, BUT LIVING ON OLD SMYRNA AND HAVING THAT WONDERFUL INTERSECTION OF HOLT ROAD AND EDMONDSON PIKE THAT NOW BACKS UP EVERY DAY FROM THREE O'CLOCK ON, OCCASIONALLY MY GPS WILL TAKE ME THROUGH WILLIAMS GROVE AND WHETSTONE.
UM, THE OTHER NIGHT IT DIDN'T, BUT I SAVED FIVE MINUTES BY DOING THAT.
BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH WHETSTONE, NOT COUNTING WHERE IT CONNECTS WITH GREENHILL BOULEVARD, UH, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY AND YOU GO THROUGH WILLIAMS GROVE, THERE ARE NO LONG THOROUGHFARES.
THERE'S NO STEEP, NO EQUIVALENT OF STEEPLECHASE OR JONES BOULEVARD, UM, OR LIKE GREENHILL BOULEVARD, SMITHSON LANE OR COXBORO.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING AROUND A ROUNDABOUT, YOU'RE TURNING ONTO THE NEXT STREET.
AND SO THERE, THERE'S NO, I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEBODY COULD FIND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO FAST, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T.
YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, IF WE LOOK AT THAT AS A WAY TO, OR ENCOURAGE THAT AS A WAY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALLOW CONNECTIVITY BUT WITH A SLOW SPEED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING PHYSICALLY PLACED THERE.
THERE'S NO SPEED HUMPS OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S STOP SIGNS, THERE'S THE NEXT TURN.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY FROM MORE THAN ONE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW.
THERE'S ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE HERE THAT'S A BIT AGGRAVATING TO IT, AND ONE OF WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY CAN THE CARS NOT GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B EFFICIENTLY, THEY HAVE GOT TO COME BACK OUT ONTO THE COLLECTOR ROAD.
THE SAME IS THE CASE FOR THE SCHOOL BUS.
AND SO THE SAME PARENT THAT SHOWS UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND SAYS, "DON'T LET ALL THAT TRAFFIC COME IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, DON'T LET MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECT," ALSO STANDS AT THE CURB WITH THE OTHER PARENTS WAITING FOR THE SCHOOL BUS SAYING, "CAN YOU BELIEVE IT TAKES AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES FOR MY KID TO GET TO SCHOOL?" RIGHT.
AND THAT ALSO MOTIVATES MANY OF THE SAME PARENTS TO THEN GET IN THE CAR AND DRIVE THAT KID AND GET OUT INTO THE, BECAUSE THE KID CAN'T GET THERE.
SO AT A MINIMUM, IF THE NEIGHBOR HAS CONNECTED FOR SCHOOL BUS TRAFFIC ALONE, NORTH UMBERLAND BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE THE SCHOOL BUS INSTEAD OF COMING BACK OUT ONTO THE ROAD, COULD GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THOSE BOLLARDS IF THERE WERE SOME SORT OF ACTUATOR AT A MINIMUM, AND THAT HELPS KEEP SOME OF THE PARENTS FROM GETTING IN THE CAR AND TAKING THE KID BECAUSE THE BUS RIDE'S SO LONG.
EMS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU CAN REDUCE LIKE THE PHYSICAL IMPACT OR NEEDS OF EMS SERVICES DEPENDING ON HOW CONNECTION YOUR NETWORK IS.
SO CALEB, WOULD, WOULD THE REPORT HAVE, UH, BASICALLY, UH, WILL INDICATE WHAT PRACTICES PERHAPS THAT ARE OCCURRING TODAY CREATE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS AND LIST WHAT PRACTICES, IF ADOPTED, COULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION PROBLEMS? IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO APPLY THEM, RIGHT? BUT IT'S, IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE THAT SAYS IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE YOUR KID RIDE THE SCHOOL BUS, IT ELIMINATES CONGESTION TO AND FROM SCHOOL.
IT'S PRETTY EASY MATH RIGHT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU ELIMINATE THE CONNECTION OR, OR I'M SORRY, CREATE THE CONNECTION THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED, UH, THEN IT REDUCES THE, THE SCHOOL ROUTE TIME AND IT REDUCES, IT CREATES DISBURSEMENT OF TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD, AND IT'S REALLY UP TO THESE GUYS WHAT THEY WANT, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN PART OF THE PROBLEM WHAT CREATES CONGESTION AND HERE ARE SOLUTIONS WHETHER ADOPTED OR NOT THAT CAN HELP ELIMINATE CONGESTION.
I WOULD SAY TOO, I MEAN - OR REDUCE.
CONNECTIVITY IS ONE, WIDENING IS ANOTHER TO ACCOMMODATE REGIONAL TRAFFIC ON NEIGHBORHOODS.
LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, CONTRADICTORY TENSIONS WITH TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT VERSUS CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS, I GUESS.
BUT IF YOU ALL HAVE OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY LIKE THAT YOU SEE COME BEFORE YOU AS A COMMISSION AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BUS TIMES, LIKE WE HAVE PARENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CONGESTION THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DOCUMENT, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN IDEAS.
UH, BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES THAT I'VE MISSED, IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT THOSE OVER TO US VIA EMAIL, I'M HAPPY TO DOCUMENT THEM.
I LIKE THAT WHEN WE SPEAK IT, PEOPLE HEAR IT, BUT THEY DON'T STUDY IT.
WHEN IT'S WRITTEN, PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT IT, STUDY IT, THINK ABOUT IT, GO BACK TO IT IF THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN IT, WHETHER THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST ANY IDEA.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S EXCELLENT ANCILLARY INFORMATION TO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE'RE WANTING THE SAFEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL, MOST EFFICIENT, UH, MOST COMMUNITY ORIENTED CITY IN THE WORLD.
I MEAN, REALLY WE WANT THE ABSOLUTE
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BEST FOR BRENTWOOD.AND SO ANYTHING THAT'S ANCILLARY TO THAT THAT EXPLAINS IT, I THINK HELPS THE DISCUSSION, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A SAYING IN SCRIPTURE THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH.
DO WE HAVE A LIST OF, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SCREEN? UH, UH, NUMBER FOUR DOWN THERE, MAKES THE MOST OF EXISTING ROADS TO, BECAUSE I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DO WE HAVE A, A LIST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT'S, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS, OLD SMYRNA, I MEAN, WILSON PIKE AND CHURCH STREET, HOW TO NOT HAVE A BOTTLENECK THERE EVERY MORNING WHICH BACKS UP, IT AFFECTS ALL THE WHOLE ROAD.
THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT TO ME, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S, IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE MORE EXPENSIVE THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU JUST GOTTA BITE THE BULLET AND DO, AND I, THAT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES, UH, RESIDENTS ANGRY.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, A COMPLETE, UM, AGREEMENT WITH THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME UP AND PROTEST IT.
YOU GO IN, YOU SPEND A LITTLE MONEY OR A LOT OF MONEY MAYBE AND GET IT DONE AND IT RELIEVES SOME TRAFFIC THERE.
THERE ARE SOME SPOT IMPROVEMENTS TOO TO THAT POINT THAT ARE NOT MASSIVE CORRIDOR WIDENINGS.
OBVIOUSLY CONCORD ROAD COMES UP A LOT AND IT'S LIKE, SHOULD IT BE THREE LANES? SHOULD IT BE FIVE LANES? YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT HAVE A MULTI-USE PATH? AND PEOPLE HAVE VARYING OPINIONS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THOSE MORE TARGETED, UM, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UM, THE MOORE'S LANE WILSON PIKE INTERSECTION.
SO WE HAVE SOME SMALL CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE THERE THAT CAN FIX A BOTTLENECK THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE AS THOSE LISTED IN HERE.
THEY WILL HAVE ALL OF THIS DATA ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THEY WILL SAY, "THIS PROJECT ON CONCORD ROAD, IT HAD 25 CRASHES IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
IT HAD THREE SERIOUS INJURIES.
IT HAS THIS VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO RIGHT NOW." SO TELLING YOU HOW CONGESTED IT IS.
IT'LL SAY LIKE, "DOES IT HAVE A MULTI-USE PATH? DOES IT HAVE A SIDEWALK? IS IT CONNECTING TO A PARK OR COULD IT CONNECT TO A PARK OR A SCHOOL?" THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE IN A GIANT TABLE.
AND THE GOAL IS TO GIVE THE CITY, AGAIN, A TOOL SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU'RE SAYING, "YOU KNOW WHAT? WE REALLY WANNA APPLY FOR A GRANT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF TDOT'S, YOU KNOW, MULTIMODAL ACCESS GRANTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YOU'RE LIKE," WE REALLY WANNA GET A GREENWAY.
WHAT IS OUR BEST GREENWAY PROJECT THAT CAN POSITION US BEST WITH THOSE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? "THIS IS A TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE TO START THAT CONVERSATION.
UM - AND, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE CREATING A MODEL.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MODEL THAT WE CAN USE LATER TOO.
AND THAT MODEL WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM, PROJECTED TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE KNOW NOLANSVILLE AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM THAT, UH, AREA THAT COMES THROUGH CONCORD ROAD.
AND THEY'LL USE THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTIONS WITH THIS INFORMATION.
WELL, WE KNOW HOW MUCH EVEN A BLOCK COSTS TO DO SOMEWHERE.
AND LIKE LAST NIGHT AT, AT OUR CITY COUNTY MEETING, THE TALK OF US COUPLING WITH THE COUNTY ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WHERE, WHERE IS THAT SCHOOL BEING BUILT THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? OH, BEHIND JORDAN ELEMENTARY.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
IT'S ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE START TIMES ARE STAGGERED BY AN HOUR AND THEY USE LIKE THE SAME BUS LINE.
AGAIN, THAT'S A MONEY PROJECT WHICH WE PROBABLY WILL END UP PARTICIPATING IN, BUT...
OR IF THEY WAIT, WE'LL BE THERE.
UM, I'M GONNA DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION HERE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STARTED.
THIS IS A, KIND OF A, A WARM-UP QUESTION FOR THE NEXT ONE.
I'M BASICALLY ASKING HOW IMPORTANT THESE DIFFERENT THEMES, GOALS, CRITERIA SHOULD BE WHEN WE RANK PROJECTS.
UM, SO YOU CAN JUST, I THINK, BELIEVE DRAG AND DROP THEM IN YOUR LIST AND THEN CLICK SUBMIT.
SO NUMBER ONE WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M JUST GOING TO GROUP.
SO IS THE, UM, THE, THE SLIDES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING, THEY'RE ALL ON THE MENTEE THING THAT ARE SHOWN UP HERE.
DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO SEEING THOSE SLIDES ON THIS APP OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING OR IS IT ONLY WHEN IT'S LIVE? ONLY WHEN IT'S LIVE.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF COMPILE THE RESULTS FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSION THIS MORNING WITH, WITH YOURS ALL, UM, AND KIND OF SUMMARIZE THOSE.
BUT, BUT SOME OF THE, THE, NOT THE RESPONSES, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOWED OF LIKE THE FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED ON IT.
CAN WE SEE THAT? YEAH, WE CAN EMAIL YOU THE WHOLE POWERPOINT.
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NO, AND WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED THIS, SO WE CAN, AND IF YOU WANT, I COULD, WE CAN SORT OF EXPORT THE WHOLE THING AND IT'LL HAVE THE RESULTS WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS.IF YOU COULD THAT WE CAN ALL SEE THAT, THAT'D BE GOOD.E ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME BACK AND WE CAN COMPARE WHERE WE WANT.
UH, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE RECOGNIZE THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
WE COULD SPEND ALL DAY TALKING ABOUT THAT.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO GET ANY PROJECTS IN THAT NO MATTER HOW.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE TDOT AND, AND THE GNRC.
BUT ANYWAY, SAFETY CRASHES IS WHAT GETS YOU THE MONEY, RIGHT? MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE IN THERE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT PEOPLE ARE DYING OR REALLY SERIOUS ACCIDENTS, THAT'S WHAT USUALLY GETS THE ATTENTION AND GETS YOU THE MONEY IN A COMPETING ENVIRONMENT.
ALSO, IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROADS THAT HAVE SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR AS BEING SAFE OTHER THAN OLD SMYRNA ROAD, WHICH WE'RE FIXING.
DO YOU KNOW OF ROADS IN YOUR ANALYSIS SO FAR THAT JUMP UP THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN AWARE OF? UM, SO WHEN WE DID OUR SAFETY ANALYSIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CALCULATED, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY CRITICAL SPECIFICALLY FOR GETTING DOLLARS FROM TDOT FOR SAFETY PROJECTS IS THE AVERAGE CRASH RATES.
SO BASICALLY IT KIND OF NORMALIZES HOW MANY CRASHES YOU HAVE TO EXPOSURE AND TRAFFIC VOLUME SO THAT YOUR HIGHEST VOLUME ROADS AREN'T ALWAYS JUST POPPING UP.
UM, AND SO ENCORE ROAD DID COME UP, UM, AS ONE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO IS WE HIGHLIGHT WHICH ROADS, UM, EXCEED THE STATEWIDE AVERAGES BECAUSE TDOT PUBLISHES, YOU KNOW, FOR AN URBAN THREE LANE ROAD OR A RURAL SUBURBAN FIVE LANE ROAD, THIS IS WHAT STATEWIDE THE CRASH RATE SHOULD BE.
AND IF YOU'RE ABOVE THOSE AVERAGES, THAT POSITIONS YOU BETTER FOR THEIR HSIP LIMIT.
DO YOU TYPICALLY SEE, I ASSUME YOU TYPICALLY SEE A STRONG CORRELATION BETWEEN CONGESTION AND SAFETY.
IS THAT NOT ALWAYS THE CASE? UH - ALIGNMENT ISSUES CAN, CAN CREATE IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONGESTION.
YES, ALIGNMENT DEFINITELY IS ANOTHER FACTOR.
I WILL SAY SEVERITY IS, UM, IS A FACTOR TOO.
AND SO TYPICALLY IN CONGESTED CONDITIONS, IT'S LESS SEVERE CRASHES.
IT'S MORE OF YOUR SPEED SLOWER.
SO VEHICLES ARE MOVING SLOWER.
UM, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, SO IN OUR ANALYSIS WE SHOWED THAT THE INTERSECTION AT ARROWHEAD DRIVE, UM, WAS A REALLY BIG CRASH SLOT FOR SOME REASON.
AND SO IN JUST DOING SOME FIELD REVIEWS, THIS CAME UP TO ONE OF THE SPOT PROJECTS.
WE WERE SAYING LIKE THE SIGHT DISTANCE AT THAT INTERSECTION IS REALLY LIMITED.
UM, AND SO LOTS OF RESOUNDING YESES.
TURNS INTO THEIR CAR WHERE YOU SEE THEM.
AND THOSE ARE WORSE CRASHES THAN THE REAR END CRASHES YOU SEE.
AND SO THE ANGLE CRASHES IN PARTICULAR WITH TURNING MOVEMENTS ARE MORE SEVERE TYPICALLY.
AND SO WE HAVE A SAFETY RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK AT EITHER SIGNALIZING THAT OR AT LEAST ANALYZING POTENTIAL FOR FLASHERS, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW GOT SOME PEOPLE LEAVING AT 11.
UM, IN THE SAME VEIN, I KNOW YOU SAID SAFETY'S THE MOST IMPORTANT.
I WANNA KNOW HOW IMPORTANT RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE CRITERIA.
SO IN THIS, WE ASK THIS OF RESIDENTS TOO.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF YOUR, YOUR MODEL.
I HAVE 100 POINTS, I HAVE $100, HOW MUCH MONEY? UM, THIS IS A MATH ONE, SO I DO BELIEVE IT'S AN INCREMENT OF FIVE.
SO YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, IF ALL I CARE ABOUT IS SAFETY, I WANNA PUT $100 ON SAFETY OR 100 POINTS ON SAFETY.
UM, AND IT SHOULD GIVE YOU THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE LEFT TO SPEND IF YOU WILL AS YOU PUT THEM IN SO THE MATH DOESN'T GET TOO DIFFICULT.
UM, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHANGE THEM, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AS YOU ALL ANSWER THOSE IS SO WE ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND OF OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
WE ACTUALLY ASKED THIS QUESTION IN THE RESIDENT SURVEY AS WELL.
SO WE ARE GOING TO KIND OF COMBINE ALL OF THOSE RESULTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT, UM, EACH BODY HAS DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES, DIFFERENT CONCERNS.
UH, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE AND USE A COMBINED, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE AVERAGE, WE'LL SEE, UH, OF THESE POINTS TO KIND OF WEIGH THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION WITH STAFF TO FURTHER DELINEATE AND SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, CONGESTION.
IF WE GIVE CONGESTION 40 POINTS, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT METRICS OR FOUR DIFFERENT METRICS FOR CONGESTION.
SHOULD EACH OF THOSE BE WEIGHED EQUALLY AND EACH GET 10 POINTS? OR SHOULD WE SAY THAT THINGS THAT ARE CONGESTED TODAY ARE A MORE IMPORTANT NEED THAN THINGS THAT ARE CONGESTED IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT SORT OF CONVERSATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH STAFF IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
JUST REALLY FAST WHILE THERE'S A, JUST TO GO BACK FOR A SECOND, BUT NOT TO KEEP KICKING A HORSE.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BRINGING UP, LIKE, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE IGNORED, THE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S IF WE LEAVE IT LIKE THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL, LIKE THIS IS WHAT IT IS, BUT IF WE CHANGE IT, THESE ARE THE, LIKE WHAT IT WOULD, THE IMPACT IN THE FUTURE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INCORPORATED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF, IF WE DECIDED THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING TO
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ADDRESS OR NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT GOT LOST IN THE CONVERSATION.AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
IT'D BE AWESOME IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN SCOPE AND DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW HOW EASILY THAT - WE DEFINITELY DO IT QUALITATIVELY TO SAY, I MEAN, EVEN JUST LIKE VISUALLY IN A PLANNING DOCUMENT, YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING LIKE, "THIS IS HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE.
THESE ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE CONNECTIVITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEREFORE ALL CONGESTION GOES INTO OUR MATERIALS AND MAKES THEM MORE CONGESTED.
AND THEN IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THAT, THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN." LIKE QUALITATIVELY WE COULD DO THAT, BUT - LET'S SEE THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THINK THAT THIS IS IT, THIS, THERE'S NO CHANGING IT, LIKE IN PRINCETON HILLS AND, UM, IN WOODWAY OR WHEREVER THAT IS.
BUT IF THEY UNDERSTOOD, OH, THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IF YOU CHANGED IT.
I JUST THINK PEOPLE FORGET THAT CHANGE IS SOMETIMES AN OPTION.
CHANGE IS SCARY, BUT IT ALSO LIKE PEOPLE ADAPT TO THE POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE 20 CUT-THROUGHS INSTEAD OF ONE, YOU KNOW, IT DISPERSES LIKE WATER.
UM, I'M GONNA HOLD OFF ON GOING TOO INTO THIS, BUT ONE THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO ME IS BY AND LARGE THIS ONE IS LESS, UH, IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO INTERESTING THAT Y'ALL LIKE COMMUNITY SUPPORT MORE, NOT SURPRISING.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON AND LET LIZ GO TO FUTURE LAND USE BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR FUTURE LATE, LAND USE FRAMEWORK.
UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN KIND OF A COUPLE TOPICS WITHIN THAT THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE KIND OF ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ON.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE THINGS ARE MARYLAND FARMS, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES AND SENIOR LIVING.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THREE TOPICS.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY MARYLAND FARMS, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT AREA OF THE COMMUNITY.
FROM THE SURVEY RESULTS, YOU KNOW, 53% PRIORITIZE MARYLAND FARMS FOR REINVESTMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT REALLY STRONG SUPPORT FOR MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN MARYLAND FARMS AND FOR ADDITIONAL USES IN MARYLAND FARMS LIKE INDOOR RECREATION, RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICES, UM, ELDERLY CARE FACILITIES, ENTERTAINMENT.
SO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT FOR THE CONTINUED HEALTH, UM, OF MARYLAND FARMS. WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT.
WE GOT A LOT OF MIXED FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, THE CITY ALREADY ALLOWS FOUR STORIES AND SO WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORIES FIVE, SIX, SEVEN BASICALLY.
AND, UM, THE MAJORITY SAID FOUR STORIES, BUT WE DID GET RESPONSES, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERY HEIGHT AND EVEN THE LIKE SEVEN AND UP, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE CHOSE THAT.
YOUR FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THE, THE, THE, THE BOIL, THE HIGH WOODS AND ALL OF THAT, DO THEY INDICATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES FOR FUTURE MARKET REINVESTMENT IN, IN WITH THESE BUILDINGS AND PERHAPS EVEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM A HOTELIER'S PERSPECTIVE TOO AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A HIGHER END HOTEL, YOU'D HAVE TO GO MORE THAN THAT? YEAH.
SO WHAT WE HEARD WAS TO FINANCIALLY MAKE KIND OF A REDEVELOPMENT MAKE SENSE.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AND TAKE KIND OF AN OLDER OFFICE BUILDING, TEAR THAT DOWN, BUILD SOMETHING NEW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE TO FINANCIALLY MAKE IT - MORE THAN FOUR.
TO FINANCIALLY MAKE IT FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE SENSE BECAUSE OF THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, TEARING DOWN AND ALL OF THAT.
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT'S A POLICY QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S A CITIZEN SUPPORT QUESTION, BUT IT'S ALSO A MARKET QUESTION.
AND SO IF THERE'S A DECISION, A LONG-TERM DECISION THAT SAYS WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT FOUR IN ALL AREAS AND NOT HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WITH THE REALITY THAT IT, IT, IT MAY MEAN THAT WE CANNOT RESPOND TO A FUTURE MARKETPLACE AND THERE COULD BE AN EFFECT AT SOME POINT.
STILL MIGHT BE THAT'S THE DECISION OR IT MIGHT BE THAT'S NOT THE DECISION, BUT HERE'S THE REALITY OF THE DECISION.
SO, SO JUST BEING CLEAR ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE POLICY.
UM, USES TAX REQUIRES ZONING CHANGE TO START WITH.
WELL USES, I WOULD THINK WOULD INCREASE THE REVENUE WHICH WOULD HELP THEM PAY FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT GOING TO SEVEN STORIES HOW TO DO IT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY, I MEAN, IF THEY WENT, WE WENT FROM SI1 TO TWO, THAT'S A HUGE CHANGE FOR THAT AREA THERE.
I MEAN, THERE COULD BE HOTELS WHERE THERE WEREN'T HOTELS, THERE COULD BE RESTAURANTS WHERE THERE WEREN'T RESTAURANTS.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT MONEY MAKING OPTION THERE.
SO WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATE WITH ALL THE, THE REVENUES THAT COME IN FROM THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO WITHOUT SAYING, "OH, WE GOTTA HAVE SEVEN STORIES FOR YOU TO MAKE ANY MONEY." YEAH.
I MEAN, HEIGHT IS JUST ONE OF THE
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PIECES.AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I'M GONNA ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT KIND OF OPTIONS FROM A, LIKE, USE STANDPOINT OF WHAT USES YOU'RE, UM, WOULD SUPPORT IN MARYLAND FARMS AND THEN WHAT DEVELOPMENT KIND OF CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, IN MARYLAND FARMS. SO WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE.
SO FROM A BUSINESS, FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, FROM THE RESEARCH, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT FRENTWOOD IS STILL COMPETITIVE AND IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU HAVE UNDER 14% VACANCY RATE AS OF Q4 2025 WHERE THE NET NATIONAL METRO WAS OVER 18.
SO YOU ARE SEEING LOWER VACANCY RATES THAN THE GENERAL KIND OF WIDER MARKET, WHICH IS THE POSITIVE THING.
UM, WE'RE ALSO SEEING WHERE THE LEASING GAINS AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND FOR OFFICE THAT IS OCCURRING IS CLASS A.
SO, UM, WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS REALLY CONCENTRATED IN THAT HIGHER QUALITY, UM, CLASS A BUILDINGS, MORE AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, NEWER FACILITIES, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ARE ALSO ALREADY SEEING, UM, PEOPLE PUT IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND MODERNIZING PROPERTIES IN MARYLAND FARMS. SO I FOUND THREE EXAMPLES.
UM, EAST PARK, THEY'RE DOING A 12 TO 15 MILLION DOLLAR MODERNIZATION.
WEST PARK EXCHANGE, THEY, THEY'RE DOING NEW FACADE, NEW FRONT ENTRANCE, LOBBY AND AMENITY AREAS.
UM, CIVIL CONSTRUCTIONS, UH, CONSTRUCTORS IS MOVING FROM FRANKLIN TO MARYLAND FARMS. THEY BUILT A, THEY BOUGHT A SIX MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING.
UM, SO THERE IS PRIVATE INVESTMENT HAPPENING.
I THINK THE KEY IS, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW YOU CAN MAINTAIN YOUR SUCCESS LONG TERM AND LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO INVEST.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SURVEY FEEDBACK AND TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES, HERE'S MY KIND OF INITIAL, INITIAL SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF SET THESE UP FOR YOU AND THEN ASK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON ALL OF THESE.
SO BASED ON ALL OF THIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU EXPAND, UM, PERMITTED USES.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT MARYLAND FARMS, WE HAVE THESE TWO MAJOR ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THE LIGHTER PINKER, PINK AREA IS YOUR C1 ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA, UM, OF MARYLAND FARMS. THAT AREA CURRENTLY DOESN'T ALLOW STANDALONE RETAIL RESTAURANTS.
UM, IT ALLOWS, LIKE, IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO HAVE, LIKE, A COFFEE SHOP INSIDE YOUR BUILDING IF YOU HAVE NO EXTERIOR SIGNAGE AND IT'S ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING.
SO IT'S GOT SOME REALLY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, BUT IT WOULDN'T ALLOW, YOU KNOW, A NEW RESTAURANT, NEW, UM, COFFEE SHOP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE THE PINK AREA, THE C2, WHICH IS THE REDDER AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE MORE, UM, EASTERN, EASTERN SIDE.
UM, THAT AREA ALREADY ALLOWS RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL.
SO FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S LESS, I THINK, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'LL HAVE FOR THE C2.
UM, I THINK THE AREA THAT YOU SHOULD REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON FROM A USE STANDPOINT IS THAT C1 AND WHAT YOU ALLOW IN C1.
SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING WHAT PERMITTED USES YOU ALLOW THAT ARE OFFICE COMPATIBLE USES.
SO, LIKE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THAT YOU BLOW UP YOUR CURRENT PLANS AND, AND VISION FOR MARYLAND FARMS, BUT WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL USES THAT ARE KIND OF ADJACENT TO OFFICE THAT WOULD HELP FILL IN THAT VACANCY? UM, AND AS OFFICE CONTINUES TO DECLINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER THINGS CAN FILL IN THESE BUILDINGS? UM, SO LOOKING AT KIND OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TECHNOLOGY, UM, ALLOWING MORE COMMERCIAL USES, CO-WORKING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S EXPANDING PERMITTED USES.
AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON ALL THOSE SPECIFIC USES IN A SECOND.
AND, AND LIZ, REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER SEEING IN HERE IS IN THAT, THAT CONVERSATION, THERE WAS NOT CONS - THERE WAS NOT AGREEMENT WITH SURVEY RESULTS TO ADD FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BE PART OF THAT.
THERE WAS NO STRONG SUPPORT FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BE ADDED TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, MARYLAND FARMS, EXCEPT FROM AN ELDERLY CARE STANDPOINT WHERE WE GOT FEEDBACK OF LIKE WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE ONLY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
IS THIS, UM, INFORMATION, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL SURVEY OR IS THIS THE - THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE FEEDBACK.
SO BOTH ON, BASED ON BOTH GROUPS, BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL? YES.
AND, YOU KNOW, ME LOOKING AT IT FROM A WHOLE STANDPOINT.
Y'ALL CAN HASH IT OVER WHEN I'M GONE.
UM, IS THERE ANYWHERE IN HERE, AND I'M ALL FOR REVITALIZING MARYLAND FARMS, WE'VE GOT TO DO IT.
BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA DEAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT SMALLER LOTS, TALLER BUILDINGS, AND MORE BUSINESSES? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE THORN IN
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OUR SIDE IF WE DO IT.SO JUST Y'ALL CAN DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES.
RIGHT NOW YOU ALLOW THREE STORIES BY RIGHT AND THEN YOU ALLOW FOUR STORIES WITH A SPECIAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO I WOULD CONSIDER RECOMMENDING THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT AND THEN MAYBE UP TO FIVE OR SIX WITH A SPECIAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO IT MIGHT BE NOT WHERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX STORY BUILDINGS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE, BUT THE RIGHT DESIGN, THE RIGHT LOCATION, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT ALL TOGETHER, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, MAKING PARTY REGULATIONS MORE FLEXIBLE, UM, ALLOWING MORE CHAIRS.
QUICK QUESTION IF I CAN GET YOU REAL QUICK.
IS THIS WHERE THE HEIGHT OF THE RAMPARTS BUILDING COMES IN? THREE BY RIGHT, FOUR IF IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE RAMPARTS BUILDING? NO, IT'S SEPARATE.
UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT FOUR STORY HERE AND HERE.
AND SO WITH THE FOUR, THE TYPICAL FOUR STORIES, YOU HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR SETBACKS TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
SO SEPARATE FROM THAT IS - AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO.
SEPARATE FROM THAT IS THE RAMPART'S HEIGHT.
NOTHING CAN BE TALLER THAN THAT.
SO AS YOU GO CLOSER TO THE RAMPARTS BUILDING, I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THREE STORY BECAUSE THEY WERE RUNNING INTO THE HEIGHT OF RAMPART'S BUILDING OR IF IT'S MORE BECAUSE MAYBE SETBACKS ARE ANOTHER LIMITING FACTOR.
UH, WHERE'S THE RAMPARTS REFERENCE IN THE CODE? I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT AND I COULDN'T FIND IT.
UM, UH, IT'S UNDER TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR...
IS THAT C2? RAMPARTS? I THINK IT'S C2.
I THINK IT'S THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR C2.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID IT'S ENSHRINED ON A PLAQUE IN CITY HALL.
SO YOU CAN READ IT EVERY TIME YOU COME IN.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT WHEN WE TALKED TO HIGHWOODS AND BOYLE, UM, THE FIVE OR SIX STORY TO TEAR DOWN AN EXISTING THREE STORY CLASS B AND TO REBUILD FIVE OR SIX CLASS A, THEY WANT THAT FIRST LEVEL TO BE RETAIL.
DID ANY OF THEM SPEAK ABOUT, UH, PARKING, BUILDING, PARKING, COVERED PARKING - COVERED PARKING? UNDERGROUND PARKING STRUCTURE? YEAH.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND SO IT HAS TO MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE FOR SOMEBODY TO DO COVERED PARKING OR UNDERGROUND PARKING.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS DOING THAT, THEN I FEEL LIKE THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY THERE.
WITH THIS AREA, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DEMAND BECAUSE THE LAND, THERE'S ENOUGH PROBABLY LIKE LAND AND REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD ALLOW IF SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO DO IT, BUT LIKE I WOULDN'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE HILL CENTER DID STRUCTURED PARKING.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WITH THE, THE MARYLAND FARMS YMCA, THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS STRUCTURED PARKING AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IN LOTS OF PLACES I'VE BEEN, EVEN SMALLER BUILDINGS, I'VE SEEN THEM PROBABLY DO TWO STORIES OF UNDERGROUND PARKING.
THIS AREA BEING SO FULL OF BLINDSTONE, YOU MAY NOT WANNA SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY BLASTING LOCK OUT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT GOING UP, BUT IF, IF WE ALLOW UNDER.
BUT FOR THE, FOR LIKE A PARKING GARAGE, UH, STRUCTURE ABOVE THE GROUND - YEAH.
YOU GOT SETBACKS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S, I FIGURED THAT WOULD NOT WORK.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MAKING CERTAIN MORE FLEXIBLE REGULATIONS AROUND.
LIKE IF THEY DID PROVIDE STRUCTURED PARKING, MAYBE THEN THEY COULD HAVE A TALLER BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF PLACES TOO WHERE SOMEBODY WILL DO LIKE PARKING ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY ABOVE THAT.
SO ALL THINGS TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION.
UM, LASTLY, ADJUSTING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
ONE THING, UM, YOU COULD DO OR CONSIDER IS REDUCING YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN C1 AND C2 TO ALLOW MORE KIND OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ROUND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE SEEING THE DEMAND REALLY FALL INTO AREAS THAT HAVE, CAN PROVIDE AN EXPERIENCE.
PEOPLE WANT AN EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES WHERE THEY LOCATE.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THINGS, TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THINGS TO DO AFTER WORK, YOU KNOW, LUNCH, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO CARVE
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OUT A PORTION OF A, OF LARGE UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT TO DO A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE OR, YOU KNOW, A SMALL RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING, THAT COULD BE A WAY TO SORT OF DENSIFY AND INTENSIFY YOUR EXISTING AREA WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BLOWING UP THE EXISTING FORMS. SO AGAIN, JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER, UM, IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.SO - AND RAY, TO THAT POINT AND TO ANNE'S POINT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING AFFECTS EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE SENSE THAT LIKE AS SHE'S MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE TO LUNCH OR HAVE TO DRIVE TO DO ERRANDS OR WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE SOLUTION TO ANNE'S QUESTION ABOUT CONGESTION.
SO RIGHT NOW BY NOT ALLOWING ANY OF THOSE USES IN THE C1 AREA, WE FORCE EVERYONE INTO THEIR CARS AT LEAST A COUPLE TIMES A DAY.
AND THAT'S I THINK PART OF THE DESIGN OF A LOT OF THESE NEWER CLASS A DEVELOPMENTS IS NOT FORCING PEOPLE INTO THEIR CARS SEVERAL TIMES A DAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEM TO WHERE THEY'RE IN THEIR CAR ON THEIR WAY IN AND THEIR WAY OUT.
AND ALSO HAVING THINGS THAT SORT OF SPREAD THE BLAST RADIUS, SO TO SPEAK, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE THAT GET THERE A LITTLE BIT EARLY TO WORK OUT BEFORE WORK.
THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE THAT GET IN LATER, BUT THEN STAY LATER AND HAVE DINNER AT A RESTAURANT AFTER WORK BY SPREADING IT OUT BECAUSE LIKE EVEN THE KIDS AT LUNCH YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT CONGESTION, IT'S LIKE ARE THE ROADS ALWAYS CONGESTED? WELL, NO, THEY'RE CONGESTED A COUPLE TIMES A DAY, BUT THEY'RE REALLY CONGESTED.
CONGESTED THREE TIMES A DAY AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE YOUR BUSINESS IS HERE, BUT I KNOW THE STREET THAT THEY COME OUT OF, BUT BREAKFAST, MORNING, LUNCH, 11 TO ONE AND, AND FOUR TO SIX, UH, DEPENDING ON THE DAY.
FRIDAYS MIGHT START AT 3:30, NOT GO QUITE AS LATE BECAUSE PEOPLE LEAVE WORK A LITTLE EARLIER.
BUT THOSE THREE TIMES A DAY, IF YOU'RE COMING TO A MEETING AT CITY HALL, IT'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
IF THE MEETING STARTS AT 9:00, IT'S TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S EVEN LESS THAN IF THE MEETING STARTED AT 8:00.
OR LIKE YESTERDAY WE'RE STARTING AT 8:00 I HAD TO LEAVE THE HOUSE A LOT EARLIER BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THAT'S PRIME TRAFFIC TIME.
SO, SO TIME SHIFTING CAN MAKE AN IMPACT, BUT THEN THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE COMMENT YOU MADE EARLIER IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPING A BUILDING.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A THREE STORY BUILDING, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT BRINGING UP TO DATE, BUT YOU CAN ONLY BUILD BACK A THREE STORY BUILDING, THAT CAN BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT A BUILDING THAT MEETS THE CURRENT MARKET THAT ALSO HAS OTHER USES, THAT KIND OF GETS AT THE, THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF IT, WHICH IS WHY I MADE THE CELL TOWER ANALOGY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES BRINGING SOMETHING UP TO DATE CAN MAKE AN IMPACT ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GET INVOLVED WITH WITHOUT US USING TAX DOLLARS.
BUT THEN ALSO BY HAVING A VARIETY OF USES THAT COULD POSSIBLY SPREAD OUT THE BLAST RADIUS FOR CONGESTION AND COULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I HOPE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE PRETTY DELIBERATE ABOUT ASKING OURSELVES WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE AND TRYING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF FRESH EYES, BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY JUST TO GO BACK TO THE 20 YEAR OLD GAME PLAN AND SAYING, "WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING," BUT THAT DOESN'T KEEP YOU RELEVANT.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S BUILDING HEIGHT OR USE OR CONGESTION, WHATEVER, AS LONG AS WE'RE ASKING OURSELVES WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE AND THEN ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT ARE THE, THE, THE COMPROMISES WE'RE MAKING WITH OUR SOLUTION, BECAUSE THE EASY SOLUTIONS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT WHAT COMPROMISES ARE WE, DO WE PREFER AS WE THINK THROUGH THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? IT'S, IT'S ALLOWING FOR CHANGE THAT IS BOTH PRACTICAL AND FUNCTIONAL AS WE DID WITH THE CELL TOWERS, BUT STILL STAYS TOTALLY WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD WANT.
SO THAT, IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST LOOK AT IT, THERE'S NO HARM IN LOOKING AT IT.
WE MAY SAY, NO, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S WAY OFF TARGET.
IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF BRENTWOOD.
BUT YEAH, I AGREE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, UM, AND I MAY NOT EVEN BE ON THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BILL COMES DUE, BUT THERE'S A BILL THAT'S COMING DUE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THAT BILL WILL HAVE TO BE PAID.
AND WE'VE GOTTA, TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS AND EVEN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS PROVIDE SO MUCH OF THE INCOME THAT KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO RAISE TAXES ON OUR CITIZENS.
BUT THE BILLS COMING DUE AND WE SAW THAT IN THE BUDGET MEETING LAST YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
BUT WITH, AS YOU DID, BECAUSE YOU, I'M GIVING YOU JASON THE CREDIT FOR THE CELL TOWER THING, BUT WHILE STAYING RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE CHARACTER OF WHAT BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS WANT, IF ANYTHING'S
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PLACED REAL CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE, SO, SO, AND LIKE THIS IS CLOSE TO HOUSES, SO.JUST LIKE WE ASKED FOR, UM, MORE SPECIFICS LIKE LISTED IN THE REPORT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION FOR ANYTHING FARMS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE WHAT THE CURRENT USAGE IS.
LIKE IS IT REALLY C1 VERSUS C2, ONE HAS MORE VACANCY OR NOT? IT'S VERY HARD TO ADD UP NUMBERS AS YOU DRIVE DOWN LIKE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE 15,000 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT IF WE COULD HAVE THAT, LIKE WHERE, ARE THEY BOTH RELATIVELY EQUALLY UNDERUSED RIGHT NOW? AND ALSO THE, THE ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID, ONE OF THOSE TWO WERE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE APPROVED WHERE THEY TORE DOWN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND PUT A FREESTANDING RESTAURANT WAS, WAS THAT A REZONING OR WAS THAT IN THIS USE? WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS PROPOSED WAS A REZONING.
'CAUSE THERE'S A HOTEL THERE NOW.
SO THAT WAS - HOTEL GOT BUILT.
BUT THERE WAS SOME RETAIL INVOLVED IN THAT ALSO, WASN'T THERE? UM- UM, NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST A RESTAURANT.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PRECEDENT THAT WE'VE DONE THAT AT LEAST ONCE WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE GREAT.
LET ME, ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT YOU MAY NOT REALIZE, YOU MAY REALIZE, BUT YOU MAY NOT, THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT, IT'S REALLY A DEMOGRAPHIC CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF TALENT RIGHT IN A DAY, IN A OLD, A DAY IN THE PAST WHERE THERE WAS PLENTY OF TALENT AND TALENT HAD TO COMPETE FOR THE JOBS.
NOW THERE'S NOT AS MUCH TALENT.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE SAME SI- SITUATION WE HAD RIGHT RIGHT AFTER THE PANDEMIC, THE DEMOGRAPHICS LONG TERM DON'T REALLY LOOK GOOD, UH, AS FAR AS NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR JOBS.
AND SO THAT TELLS US THAT YOU, THERE IS GONNA BE A COMPETITION FOR TALENT AND THEN COMMUNITIES ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE REASONABLY FLEXIBLE TO HAVE WHAT THE TALENT EXPECTS TO HAVE SO THAT YOU CAN DRAW THE TALENT AND KEEP IT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS, IT'S REALLY ABOUT TALENT THAT CREATES DEMAND FOR THE COMPANIES THAT WANNA BE IN THESE BUILDINGS.
JUST REALLY QUICK TO YOUR POINT.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WORKS AT LMB.
I, I NEVER, I ALWAYS FORGET THE ACRONYMS, BUT OVER HERE.
AND SO, BUT, AND SHE LOVES THE FACT THAT SHE GOES TO HER WORKOUT BEFORE WORK.
SHE CAN GRAB A BITE JUST WALKING, NEVER HAS TO GET IN HER CAR FROM, AND, AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S TAX DOLLARS HERE.
AND SO, NO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT SITUATION.
SHE TOLD ME THIS OTHER DAY HOW MUCH SHE LOVES THAT BEING ABLE TO PARK.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THOSE BUILDINGS STAY FULL.
SO - YEAH, THEY OFFER ALL THOSE AMENITIES RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS QUESTION IS TO YOU ALL OF KIND OF WHICH OF THESE USES WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH SEEING IN MARYLAND FARMS? YOU CAN ANSWER ALL OF THEM.
SO BASICALLY CHOOSE THE ONES THAT YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
DON'T CHOOSE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANNA SEE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT KIND OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT HIGH TECH, THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE WITH THE PICTURES, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
A MOSTLY OFFICE COMPONENT, BUT IT MAY HAVE A SLIGHT MANUFACTURING KIND OF THING THAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S HIGH END, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT IS COMMERCIAL RECREATION? UM, LIKE INDOOR, LIKE GYMS AND FITNESS STUDIOS, INDOOR PICK WALL AND ALL THAT.
FITNESS CENTER, LIFTING FITNESS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND NO ONE WANTS DRIVE-THROUGHS.
WE, WE'VE SOMETIMES GONE THROUGH SEVERAL HOOPS AND A COUPLE OF ACROBATIC MOVES TO KEEP OUR DRIVE-THROUGHS FROM CREATING GREAT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, SO.
SHOWS THAT ONE NEVER PANDEMIC.
WELL, THE SWIG WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGH.
SO SHOULD WE SAY OVER AND EIGHT, OVER 18 AND UNDER 18 DRIVE-THROUGHS?
NOW THE QUESTIONS ARE AGAIN ABOUT THOSE KIND OF REGULATORY QUESTIONS.
SO THE FIRST TWO, THE FIRST ONE ASKS OR SAYS ALLOWING BUILDINGS UP TO FOUR STORIES BY RIGHT AND THEN UP TO FIVE THROUGH A SPECIAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
THE NEXT ONE IS FOUR BY RIGHT UP TO SIX THROUGH A SPECIAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO CHOOSE ONE FOR THE OTHER OR NEITHER, UM, OF THOSE.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU CAN SELECT ALL OF THEM.
YOU CAN SELECT AS MANY AS YOU WANT.
UM, THEN THERE'S ONE OPTION FOR LIKE ALLOWING SHARED PARKING BETWEEN COMPLIMENTARY USES.
YOU ALLOW THAT NOW IN YOUR CODE, BUT IT'S KIND OF CONVOLUTED AND A LITTLE, LITTLE COMPLICATED.
AND SO MAKING THAT A LITTLE EASIER.
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COULD HELP, UM, OFFERING ADDITIONAL HEIGHT OR DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY IN EXCHANGE FOR HIGHER QUALITY DESIGN AND PUBLIC AMENITIES.WE SEE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES LIKE KIND OF OFFER TRADE OFFS IF YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUILD A LEAD CERTIFIED BUILDING, YOU COULD GET A LITTLE EXTRA HEIGHT OR EVEN WHATEVER.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ABOVE THE EXISTING OR ABOVE WHAT, IF WE DECIDE TO GO UP TO FIVE STORIES TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE EVEN HIGHER THAN A NEW...
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING HIGHER THAN SIX.
SO I'M FINE IF YOU WANT TO QUALIFY YOUR RESPONSE.
UM - THERE'S ONE THAT YOU HAVE SAYS OFFER ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO DO, BUT DEVELOP THE FLEXIBILITY IN EXCHANGE FOR HIGHER QUALITY.
I WISH THAT WAS TWO QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE HIGHER.
SO YOU'RE, YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF DESIGN, BUT NOT FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT.
I'LL JUST MAKE A NOTE ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE REDUCING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO SUPPORT INFILL.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF REDUCING LOT SIZES OR SETBACKS TO ALLOW FOR KIND OF NEW BUILDINGS INCORPORATED INTO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, PROVIDING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO DEVELOPERS WHO REVITALIZE SITES AND BUILDINGS.
UM, WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE, THEY LIKE INCENTIVES.
NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT OF COURSE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY LIKES INCENTIVES.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING REDUCE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, LIKE REDUCING MINIMUM LOT SIZE, REDUCING SETBACKS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIRED.
MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT I REALLY THOUGHT OF THAT ONE WITH THAT.
I FEEL LIKE KIND OF ALLOWING SHARED PARKING, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SORT OF THE PARKING, BECAUSE YEAH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT YOUR PARKING MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN ALSO KIND OF THAT SHARED PARKING.
THERE'S A LOT I THINK AROUND, UM, PARKING THAT YOU HAVE OPTIONS AROUND.
SO LIZ, JUST TO BE SURE ON THE QUESTION, THE ONE THAT KEN BROUGHT UP.
UH, LOOKS LIKE THE QUESTION ON THE LEFT, THE BOTTOM ONE.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE TOP LEFT QUESTION AND THE TOP MIDDLE QUESTION OR IS IT, I THINK JANET HAD ASKED THAT TOO.
OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE IN ADDITION TO THE TOP LEFT AND THE TOP RIGHT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE THREE DOTS RIGHT NOW ON THE TOP LEFT.
IS, IS THE ONE RIGHT BELOW THAT SUPPOSED TO RELATE TO THAT THAT SAYS IF YOU ALLOW THAT IT'S FOR TRADE OFFS OR DOES IT MEAN TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT? I DIDN'T QUALIFY THAT AND I DON'T HAVE LIKE A SH - I FEEL LIKE IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD, HOW I WOULD RESPOND TO THAT RIGHT NOW IS CONSIDER THAT LIKE IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A FIVE OR SIX STORY BUILDING, WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO PROVIDE SORT OF THE ABOVE AND BEYOND SOMETHING IN ORDER TO GET THAT FIVE OR SIX STORY? OKAY.
SO I THINK IT'S MAYBE LIKE HOW MANY, HOW, THE HOOPS - SO IT'S NOT REALLY TO ADDRESS AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.
NOT, NO, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, I THINK WITH THAT, THE FIVE AND SIX STORY, I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GO HEIGHT WISE.
I JUST, BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION AND IT GOES BACK TO THAT CONTEXT IS WHY IT'S - YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN ASKED TO YOU ALL AND PLANNING COMMISSION SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE...
UM, SO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT.
UM, THEY MENTIONED KIND OF HAVING US LOOK AT NEW AREAS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WALKABLE OPTIONS.
AND SO WANTING TO JUST SORT OF GET A SENSE FROM YOU ALL IF YOU WOULD SUPPORT US LOOKING INTO IDENTIFYING NEW AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S NOT COMMERCIAL OF ADDING KIND OF NEW SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL USES.
I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD COME IN
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MOSTLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF 65, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MANY AMENITIES, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE, UM, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REALLY KIND OF CENTERED OF WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE A SMALL C-STORE OR, YOU KNOW, SMALL RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AT ONE OF THOSE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, UM, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK YOU REALLY, THE PATH THAT YOU WANT TO GO DOWN? I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON AND OFF OVER THE YEARS.
UM, THERE WAS LOCATIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IDENTIFIED IN THE, WITH THE 2020.
AND THEN REMOVED IN THE, FROM, IN THE 2020 UPDATE.
SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST SORT OF GET KIND OF SEE IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO OR RESEARCH MORE OR IF IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU AS A BOARD, YOU KNOW, THINKS IS IMPORTANT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO GO DOWN.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT ALSO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM? WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY APPROACHED ME AND, AND I, AND I MENTIONED IT TO TODD, UH, TO GET FEEDBACK, BUT THAT WORLD OUTREACH CHURCH OR WHATEVER THERE'S ON CROCKETT, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY EMPTY THERE AND SAID, WHY COULDN'T WE PUT A DELI SHOP THERE? WHY COULDN'T PUT A, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SANDWICH CAFE TYPE THING RIGHT THERE? I LIKE GETTING IN AND OUT.
SO WE'RE RIGHT PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORT WAS EVEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT, SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GREAT SUPPORT, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO A LITTLE BIT.
IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS OR AREAS THAT YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT FOR THAT, LET US KNOW.
YOU COULD WRITE THINGS IN RIGHT HERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE MOVING BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY OVER TIME.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS OR IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS OR AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW.
UM, SO SENIOR HOUSING, ELDERLY HOUSING, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN VARIOUS WAYS IN THE, UM, SURVEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL MINORITY NUMBERS YOU SEE, BUT IT KIND OF SHOWS SORT OF THE WHOLE PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS INTEREST FOR, YOU KNOW, DOWNSIZING OPTIONS WITHOUT LEAVING BRENTWOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITIES, THE INDEPENDENT SENIOR HOUSING, ASSISTED LIVING.
MARYLAND FARMS WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL AREA FOR 55 AND OLDER HOUSING.
SO IT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, IF YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANY OF THIS OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS, THAT'S FINE TOO.
LIZ, REAL QUICK ON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE PLEASE? YEAH.
THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MINORITY NUMBERS.
SO W- WERE THOSE LIKE THE 36%, THE 26, THE 18, WERE THOSE ALL INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER? IN OTHER WORDS, 36 MEANS ALMOST FOUR OUT OF 10 WOULD SAY ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITIES ARE OKAY.
OR WERE THOSE CHOICES WHERE THEY HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE AMONG THOSE OPTIONS AND SPREAD OUT THOSE NUMBERS? I'M NOT REMEMBERING WHAT THAT ACTUAL...
I CAN PULL IT UP AND I'LL, I'LL FIND IT.
I JUST THINK IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF YOUR HIGHEST SUPPORT'S ONE IN THREE, THAT'S TOUGH.
RIGHT? IF, IF, BUT IF THE QUESTIONS SPREAD IT OUT, THEN IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN ONE IN THREE.
KAYLA'S GONNA LOOK INTO THIS AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU CONSIDER HALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED HAVE LIVED HERE OVER 20 YEARS.
SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THE YOUNG FOLKS.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING PERCENTAGE.
THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS WORDED, IT SAID WHICH HOUSING TYPE SHOULD RENT WOULD ENCOURAGE? AND IT WAS SELECT UP TO THREE.
AND SO BASICALLY I THINK HOW WE WOULD INTERPRET THAT IS 36%, WHICH IS THE NUMBER I'M SEEING HERE, 35.8.
SO 620 RESPONDENTS SAID THAT ADULT AND ACTIVE 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES WERE ONE OF THEIR TOP THREE HOUSING CHOICES.
SO THE, SO THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE DILUTED THEN, WHICH MEANS THEY, THERE COULD BE, I SAY COULD, COULD BE MORE SUPPORT FOR SOME FORM OF THIS STUFF.
SO IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, TOP ONES THEY ONLY HAD TO CHOOSE ONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GET DIFFERENT RESPONSES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ACROSS THE SURVEY, SOME, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE TYPES WERE OF INTEREST IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT SENIOR HOUSING, WE KIND OF HAVE THESE FOUR MAIN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES,
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YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITIES, WHICH ARE, ARE AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE NO MEDICAL SERVICES.UM, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THOSE IN DIFFERENT FORMS. A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S LIKE TOWN HOMES OR LITTLE COTTAGES, GARDEN VILLAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE HAVE THE INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING, WHICH IS GENERALLY LIKE THE SENIOR APARTMENTS.
UM, BUT THEY, THERE USUALLY IS SOME SORT OF, UH, CARE OR ACCESS TO MEALS OR MEDICAL OR, UM, TRANSPORTATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THESE, THESE GO FROM LIKE LEAST, LEAST ASSISTED TO MOST ASSISTED.
UM, THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE, UM, IS USUALLY, AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE, YOU KNOW, MORE ASSISTED LIVING RESIDENCES WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE DAILY SUPERVISION AND ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN THE CONTINUING CARE AND SKILLED NURSING IS, IS YOUR HIGHEST LEVEL OF MEDICAL CARE.
UM, YOU HAVE, AND WE SEE A LOT OF SENIOR HOUSING TYPES COMBINE THESE INTO, YOU KNOW, ONE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I LOOKED AT SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA ALREADY.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A 55 AND OVER ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LOW MAINTENANCE, UM, NO MEDICAL SERVICES.
UM, THE HERITAGE IS AN EXAMPLE OF AGAIN THAT CONTINUUM OF CARE.
SO THERE'S KIND OF THAT MIXTURE OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS PLUS KIND OF THE LARGER BUILDING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE, YOU KNOW, REHAB FACILITIES.
SO AGAIN, THAT CONTINUUM IS AVAILABLE.
AND THEN HARMONY OF BRENTWOOD IS KIND OF THAT SINGULAR BUILDING THAT HAS A COMBINATION OF THINGS INSIDE OF IT, BUT IT'S ALL HAPPENING IN KIND OF A ONE LARGER, UM, BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF, OF THINGS THAT WE SEE AND TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS WE SEE FOR SENIOR HOUSING.
UM - IS, IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT A NON-COMMERCIAL SENIOR LIVING TYPE SITUATION UP THERE? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN OTHER CITIES WHERE CERTAIN, UM, BUILDERS WILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY MIXED SIZES.
SO YOU HAVE ONE SET OF LOTS THAT, THAT ARE BIGGER AND THEY'RE BIGGER HOUSES, RANCHES AND TWO STORIES AND WHATEVER, BUT THEN ALL THE CUL-DE-SACS ARE COTTAGE STYLE, SINGLE LEVEL, SOME WITH BASEMENTS, DEPENDING ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY STATED AS BEING 55 AND OVER, BUT THAT THEY'RE BUILT SIZE-WISE.
SO THEY'RE SMALLER HOUSES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A GREAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE FAMILIES WITH FIVE CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO BE BUYING THOSE.
SO THERE'S NO REASON THEY, THEY PUT ANY RESTRICTIONS, BUT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THERE EITHER HAS SOME SORT OF A MINOR PHYSICAL DISABILITY THAT MAKES MOBILITY DIFFICULT - YEAH.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY POPULAR OPTION IN A LOT OF PLACES THAT OTHER THAN REQUIRING SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE IP, UH, FOR SENIOR HOUSING, SMALLER LOTS, YOU KNOW, THAT, TO ENCOURAGE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT PART OF A COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY.
I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD KIND OF ACTIVE ADULT 55, YOU KNOW - BUT THAT EVEN, THAT EVEN MENTIONS THOUGH, DOESN'T NEED, OFTEN DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC - YOUR EXAMPLES STILL ARE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS GEARED TOWARDS THAT.
I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY DELL WEBS, BUT PARK HAVEN TO ME REMINDS ME OF A VERY EXPENSIVE DELL WEBB COMMUNITY.
UM - AND IT'S ALMOST THAT LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST ALLOWING DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN KIND OF A SINGULAR DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE, UH, IP EXCEPTION PROJECT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? THAT WAS FOR THAT.
UM, WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYBODY TO - WELL THE IP, BUT THEY HAVEN'T FOLLOWED EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE EXCEPTION.
BECAUSE IT'S STILL ONE UNIT PER ACRE.
BUT YOU'RE STILL PAYING FOR AN ACRE OF LAND OR THE DEVELOPERS.
SO IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW THROUGH THE SURVEYING OR THROUGH ANY FOCUS GROUPS OR, OR YOUR COMMITTEES OR ANYTHING IF YOU WERE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT TO ME THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS, IS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE THOSE SENIOR FACILITIES, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE REALLY LOW MAINTENANCE FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS, RIGHT? SO IS OUR, IS OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CITIZENRY, ARE THEY REALLY OPPOSED TO MORE SENIOR HOUSING OR ARE THEY REALLY MORE OPPOSED TO IF WE ALLOW THE SENIOR HOUSING THAT'S MULTI-FAMILY AND IT OPENS THE DOOR TO NON-SENIOR MULTI-FAMILY? DID YOU GET A FEEL FOR THAT? IT SEEMED LIKE WHERE THE INTEREST LIVED WAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT,
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YOU KNOW, TO STAY IN BRENTWOOD IF YOU NEEDED SENIOR CARE OR TO DOWNSIZE OPTIONS.SO LIKE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SUPPORTED.
SO I DON'T, DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR KIND OF LIKE THE MULTI-FAMILY KIND OF STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE...
THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN WE WERE OUT CAMPAIGNING THAT ARE 50, NOT 65, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE THAT THEY ABOUT TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN IN, BUT YET THEY'RE NOT READY TO MOVE INTO PARK HAVEN HERITAGE HARMONY, RIGHT? THEY WANT A SMALL HOUSE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
WHAT WAS THE FIRST OPTION? IT WAS THE 55 AND OLDER.
BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE IN A, BUT I MEAN, LIKE PARKHAVEN IS ESSENTIALLY...
I MEAN, TO ME IT SEEMS MORE LIKE THAT ONE.
WHAT'S THAT? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE? WITH PARK HAVEN? YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONE OUT OF WEST HAVEN.
AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S SMALL HOUSE AND SMALLER LOTS, BUT YET THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE COMMERCIAL...
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS, THE FACILITIES, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 50 DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA BE IN SENIOR HOUSING.
THEY WANNA BE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE NOT READY TO BE IN A LABELED AREA.
THEY JUST WANT A SMALLER HOUSE.
THEY DON'T WANT A 4,500 - I REMEMBER THE COMMENT FROM NELSON'S ADDRESS LAST YEAR, THE STATE OF THE CITY.
I, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY BRENTWOOD.
IT'S REALLY FUNNY, BUT IT HITS THAT POINT WHICH IS SOMEONE STOOD UP AND THEY ASKED, THEY SAID, "WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO ALLOWING A DOWNSIZING INTO A..." I THINK THEY SAID FIVE TO 6,000 SCORPIONS.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE DENSE, STILL LARGE SIZE AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THAT POINT.
THAT IT'S, IT'S A MISSING MIDDLE PIECE IS REALLY WHAT IT IS.
SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION OF DO YOU, LIKE, SHOULD YOU CONSIDER EXPANDING OR REVISING YOUR CURRENT, UM, WHAT IS IT? THE OPEN SPACE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT STARTED, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS LIMITED BECAUSE YOU NEED CERTAIN ACREAGE AND, AND YOU STILL ARE MAINTAINING THAT ONE ACRE.
BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN STAY WITH WHERE YOU'RE AT.
IS, IS THERE SOME SORT OF RULE ABOUT LABELING, IF WE DID THAT, AND, AND THIS WAS LIKE 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING AT THE LIBRARY.
UM, AND SOMEBODY SAID UP AND WAS TALKING ABOUT WE SHOULD HAVE AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING.
AND THERE WAS SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY, UH, AND THE DEVELOPERS THAT IF YOU OFFICIALLY AGE RESTRICT HOUSING, THEN YOU FALL UNDER A CERTAIN SET OF RULE.
SO WE CAN'T SAY ONLY LIKE CERTAIN AGES OR CERTAIN GENDERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT CAN BUY A CERTAIN THING.
WE CAN'T SAY SOMEBODY, SOMETHING IS RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.
TYPE OF UNIT.THAT'S WHAT LED TO MY QUESTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE I FEEL THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AT ALL CONCERNED WITH HIGH LEVEL NICE SENIOR, BUT IF IT CREATES A ZONING DOOR THAT OPENS UP FOR OTHER MULTI-FAMILY, THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS.
BUT THAT'S WHY I WONDERED IF YOU GOT THAT VIBE IN THE CONVERSATIONS.
SO IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE CITY OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE JUST, JUST WAIT EVERY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
AND WHERE IT JUST TENDED TO FALL APART, I'VE NOTICED, AND SOMETIMES MAYBE MO- MOTIVATED BY THOSE WHO WANTED IT TO FALL APART.
BUT IT'S BEEN WHEN PEOPLE SAY, "YES, WE ALL WANT A PLACE TO AGE OUT INTO.
WE WANT A PLACE TO GO TO." BUT WHAT IF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU BUILD HAS THE SMALLER LOTS, THE HIGHER DENSITY AND WHATNOT, WHAT IF IT'S 100% OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY LIVE IN BRENTWOOD? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHO MOVES THERE.
WHERE IT STARTS TO FALL APART IS YOUNG FAMILIES.
IT MAY BE OTHER PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT, NOT YOU.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE SMALLER LOTS AND WHATNOT? YEAH.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A NET IMPACT POINT OF VIEW, OUR ONE ACRE ZONING OR SMALLER LOTS, HIGHER DENSITY, BUT SENIORS WHO DON'T GET OUT AND DRIVE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WE DRIVE EVERY DAY, THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS, THEY DON'T USE THE WATER AND SEWER THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER FAMILIES DO.
THE NET IMPACT IS, COULD BE THE SAME IF YOU BUILT IT RIGHT.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU START SAYING, "WELL, WE CAN'T RESTRICT WHO LIVES IN THERE." YEAH.
AND WE'RE BACK WHERE WE WERE 15.
WE HAD A SESSION TOO WHERE WE BROUGHT IN SOME PEOPLE WITH SENIOR HOUSING.
AND THEY SHOWED WITH SENIOR HOUSING.
BUT THEN THE DEVELOPER SAID, "BUT I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAN, YOU KNOW..." RIGHT.
AND HE ALSO SAID THOUGH THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING, THAT WOULD WANNA BUY A SMALLER HOUSE, IT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO HAVE...
WELL, BACK THEN IT WAS CORIAN COUNTERTOPS, THAT'S HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS.
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HIGH END DETAILS IN THERE.OUR LAST REAL QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS - REALLY QUICK.
I KNOW KRISTEN'S NOT HERE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM AND I THINK WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM NOW, YOU'RE DONE.
AND, AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO ACT, EVEN ACCIDENTALLY BE IN A SITUATION TO WHERE YOU GET THAT ONE TALKS TO ANOTHER AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
WE CAN SEND THIS OUT TO THEM THOUGH.
SEND THAT TO US, THAT'D BE AWESOME.