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[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing October 22, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the October 26th Agendas, the items below will be discussed: New Sponsorship Levels for the Summer Concert Series Update on Gateway Signage Project This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
IS TO REMIND YOU, WE'RE MEETING AT 6:30 FOR THE BOARD MEETING ON MONDAY, SO 6:30.UH, WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS ON THE BARE BOARD MEETING, BUT, UH, SIX OF THOSE ARE REPEAT ITEMS. SO WE ACTUALLY, ALL OF THEM ARE REPEAT IN A, IN A, IN A WAY.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE, UH, BBB BRENTWOOD REQUEST FOR THE ON-PREMISE BEER PERMITTED BIG BAD BREAKFAST.
I STILL HAVE TROUBLE RECONCILING THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, BUT
UH, HOLLY HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM AGAIN AND SHE ALWAYS IS, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT, UH, WHY THEY DIDN'T HEAR, BUT SHE, THAT'S PART OF HER, UH, PROCESS TOO.
IF YOU DO KNOW THE NAME'S CHANGING AFTER THE MEETING, IT'LL BE BBB, BIG BAD BEER BREAKFAST.
YEAH, 47, UH - SO, SO YEAH, SO THE NEXT, UH, SIX ARE THE TRISTAR, UH, ENERGY LLCS FOR OFF-PREMISE BEER PERMITS, UH, FOR THESE FACILITIES.
SO YOU HAVE SUDDEN SERVICE AT 116, UH, 116 FRANKLIN ROAD.
WHERE IS THAT? I, I NEVER EVEN SEEN SUDDEN SERVICE.
IT'S HAVE TO BE UP, I MEAN, IT'S ALL, IT'D BE UP NORTH, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, IT USED TO BE.
WELL, THE ONE'S NOT TOO FAR FROM IT IS SUDDEN SERVICE.
IF YOU'RE FACING CORKY'S, IT'S TO THE RIGHT OF CORKY'S.
IT USED TO BE, IT USED TO BE EXXON.
AND OF COURSE THEY NAME THEIR SHOPS DIFFERENT THAN LIKE WHAT THE GAS LABEL IS.
IT'S A LLC ALSO KNOWN AS, USED TO BE KNOWN AS, AND WE REQUIRE CHANGES FOR ANY OF THOSE TWEAKS AND OWNERSHIP, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALL HAVING TO COME.
SO CHRIS, I'M ASSUMING THIS WOULD BE THE SAME REP COMING UP FOR ALL SIX OF THESE? SO - POSITIVE THAT IT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY MAY BRING A LAWYER.
THEY MAY SEND A LAWYER TO DO THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS? SO WE, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THESE ONE AT A TIME.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD BE HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS.
I THINK YOU COULD ASK THE QUESTION, ASSUMING IT'S THE SAME REPRESENTATIVE, YOU COULD ASK THE QUESTIONS ONE TIME AND THEN - WE CAN'T DO THIS WITH ONE MOTION.
WE'RE DOING THIS WITH - I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING ILLEGAL WITH IT TO DO AT ONE MOTION IF THE, YOUR BOARD FEELS THAT THAT'S HOW Y'ALL WANT TO HANDLE IT, SO.
I THINK IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU.
I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE - THE COMMISSION, I GUESS IT'S BEEN SO MANY PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST GONNA SEEM REPETITIVE AND SILLY TO DO THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY OR IF IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
I THINK WE CAN - WELL, WE'RE MEETING 30 MINUTES EARLY, SO LET'S DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
I DON'T WANNA FINISH IN FIVE MINUTES AND BE SITTING THERE 25 SPECIFICALLY ZOOM IN ON ONE.
BECAUSE IT'S ONE I BUY MY GAS AT AND IT'S FULL OF POTHOLES IN THE SHARED DRIVEWAY.
AND IT'S MY PERSONAL MISSION TO GET THESE POTHOLES OUT OF PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS IN BRENTWOOD.
I KNOW HE CAN'T, BUT HE KNOWS PEOPLE WHO CAN.
ARE YOU TALKING? YOU TALKING ABOUT PUBLIX DRIVE? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT PARKWAY.
THE POTHOLE GOING OUT IS ONE THAT'S REALLY DEEP AND THEN THERE'S A NEW ONE.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS, YOU KNOW? SO HOW MUCH LEVERAGE? HOW MUCH LEVERAGE IS APPROPRIATE? SO I KNOW LIKE IF WE WERE IN LON EAGLE, WE COULD EASILY HOLD THE BEER PERMIT UNTIL THEY FIXED THE LOT.
SO YOU CAN SAY D, I'M GONNA GET YOUR ATTENTION REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT ON PRIVATE STREETS, TODD AND KRISTEN, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH MAINTENANCE LEVELS OF PRIVATE COMMERCIAL
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PROPERTY, UH, PARTICULARLY PARKING LOTS, DO WE? NO, WE DON'T.I'VE BEEN WORKING LOW EDGE PRIORITY ON, ON THE DRAFT TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION IN CASE THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE WANNA HANDLE IT.
AND IF WE DON'T GET THAT RESPONSE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DEALING STILL WITH MULTIPLE OWNERS, BUT, BUT THE, UH, THE, WITHOUT GETTING TOO DEEP, THE GOOD THING IS IT'S PROBABLY GOOD TO HAVE A STANDARD, RIGHT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU CAN, YOU CAN DECIDE LATER AND WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
THE BAD THING IS, IS HOW THEY FIX IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SAY OVER.
SO JUST PATCHING A POTHOLE DOESN'T LOOK SO GREAT, BUT IT COULD SATISFY AN ORDINANCE, JUST THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND.
SO THE, THE THIRD ONE IS, UH, TWICE DAILY WHITE BISON AT 70, 7112 MOORE'S LANE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL CHANGING OWNERSHIP.
FOURTH ONE IS AT 1616 FRANKLIN, FRANKLIN ROAD, THAT'S TWICE DAILY.
FIFTH ONE IS A TWICE DAILY AT 8101, UH, A MOORES LANE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIXTH ONE, UH, TWICE DAILY, 1732 NORTH CAROTHERS PARKWAY.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THOSE? THAT, THAT 150 FRANKLIN ROAD, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME.
THAT ACTUALLY THE GOLF STATION SERVICE NOW.
SO THAT'S, SO IT'S THE OLD EXXON AND THE OLD.
AND I GUESS THE GOLF STATION IS STILL LISTED AS A GOLF STATION, BUT I GUESS SUDDEN SERVICE HAS TAKEN OVER THEIR CONVENIENCE STORES.
DIDN'T THEY CHANGE THE NAME OF IT TO VALERO GAS OR SOMETHING? WE COULD HAVE, YEAH.
IT'S GONNA BE ALL SHELL THROUGH THERE.
IT'S MONOPOLIES ARE WHAT THEODORE ROOSEVELT FOUGHT AGAINST SO HARD AND WE'RE MOVING RIGHT BACK TO THEM.
I MEAN IT, WE ARE IN, IN OUR - IN DEATH AND ALL GAS.
IN OUR, UM, COMMUNICATIONS IN OUR, IN OUR SNACKS, IN OUR GAS.
ACTUALLY SOMEBODY BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE 2040 MEETING LAST NIGHT, UM, ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD ALLOW...
KIND OF HALF JOKINGLY, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE BRING CONVENIENCE CENTERS INTO NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS? BUT HE SAID, "IF WE DO THAT, CAN WE LIKE REGULATE THEM IN SOME WAY SO THEY'RE NOT ALL SHELL STATIONS?" IT'S FUNNY, DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE COUNTRY SEE CERTAIN TYPES OF CONVENIENCE STORES THAT KIND OF DOMINATE.
CASEY'S ARE IN A LOT OF AREAS AND THEY DOMINATE AROUND FROM JUST EVERYWHERE.
UH, NOTHING SPECIAL ON THE FRONT END.
SO GOING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE REVISED SCHEDULE OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEES, WHICH ARE BASICALLY ROAD IMPACT FEES, ONE TIME FEE THAT'S AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE DO THAT BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX PROVIDED BY THE ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD.
THERE'S THE NUMBERS IF YOU WANNA SEE IT UP THERE.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD, UH, CHANGE THAT FEE AND MOVE IT UP 3.7% BASED ON THAT.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE APPROACH AND THE ORDINANCE BASED APPROACH.
SO GOING THROUGH PROMOTIONS, ANNUAL THINGS YOU TYPICALLY DO.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, WHAT WAS OUR PERCENTAGE INCREASE? IT'S JUST A COUPLE PERCENT.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE COST OF LIVING.
UH, CONSENT ITEM TWO, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD COUNTRY CLUB.
THIS IS REALLY A VERY MINOR ITEM.
UH, IT'S, UH, IT JUST SHOWS YOU THE, THE, THE PLAN OF THE COUNTRY CLUB.
BUT IT'S, WHAT IT'S REALLY DOING IS IT'S, UH, CHANGING, UH, UH, LET'S SEE.
THERE'S A 507 FOOT SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION OF THE GOLFER'S EASEMENT AT THE REAR OF LOT 101 TO MAKE ROOM, UH, CHANGING THAT ALSO CHANGES THE REAR BUILDING SETBACK AND MAKES ROOM FOR A, A COVERED PORCH ADDITION TO A HOME.
SO NOTHING, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOLFING ACTIVITY, JUST AS ADDRESSING THE HOME AND SPACE TO BUILD THE PORCH.
UH, SUBDIVISION STILL WILL MAINTAIN 16.95 ACRES OF, OF EXCESS OPEN SPACE.
EVERYTHING MEETS THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
I'M GONNA ZOOM IN SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOT RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT IS FRANKLIN ROAD RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN HERE WE GO RIGHT THERE.
LET'S SEE IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR FOR KEN, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CLUB PRETTY WELL.
IS REDUCING THE GOLFER'S EASEMENT BY 507 SQUARE FEET, DOES THAT MAKE ANY IMPACT ON THE COURSE AND ARE THE MEMBERS GONNA BE CALLING US IF WE - STILL GOT PLENTY OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS GONNA.
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OKAY.HE HAD A PRETTY BIG DECK OUT THERE.
I THINK HE JUST BUILT THE DECK YEARS AGO.
BUT I THINK FORMALLY WHEN HE REDID IT, HE'S PERMITTED AND DOING STUFF NOW AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S CATCHING UP WITH HIM.
NELSON, THE REAL QUESTION IS IF I WAS GOLFING OUT THERE, WOULD IT AFFECT HOW OFTEN I GO INTO THE YARD AND IT WOULD NOT?
SEE, SEE THAT SAND TRAP THAT'S UP ABOVE THERE? THAT, THAT AFFECTS IT MORE.
AND THEN, UH, I PREFER TO PLAY THE BLACKTOP ON FRANKLIN ROAD.
WE, THEY'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
AND, UH - ON THAT SAME ROAD? IT'S ON SEWARD.
AND, UH, IF, IF YOU JUST HAVE NOTHING TO DO, YOU MIGHT WANNA RIDE OVER THERE AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE, THE PEOPLE WERE OUT ON THEIR DECK WHILE WE WERE PLAYING YESTERDAY.
THE UPPER DECK, THEY WERE THIS BIG.
WE WERE, WE WERE SO SMALL OUT THERE IN THE FAIRWAY.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE COUNTRY CLUB'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT STIRRED UP THE PAST YEAR OR TWO ANYWAY.
AND NOW THE MEADOW LAKE'S REDEVELOPING, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING IS CHANGING.
AND SO I'VE HAD SEVERAL CALLS FROM PEOPLE AT THE COUNTRY CLUB CONCERNED ABOUT TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN MEADOW LAKE.
WHEN THEY WENT IN FOR THAT LOT, THEY CLEAR, THEY CLEAR CUT THE LOT.
THEY HAD SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES.
I WOULD'VE THOUGHT YOU'D WANT THE TREES, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY CLEAR CUT IT.
THEY CHANGED MANAGEMENT OVER THERE.
I MEAN, A FEW YEARS AGO A FELLOW HAD THE HISTORIC COMMISSION COME OVER.
IS HE STILL AROUND? NO, HE, HE'S DOWN IN FLORIDA.
HE JUST CELEBRATED HIS ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
AND DO YOU KNOW IS THE CLUB CONSIDERING MAYBE PLANTING THEIR OWN BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT PUTTING MADE NOISE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT, BETWEEN THEM AND MEADOW LAKE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR? UM, NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANTING SOME UP ON FRANKLIN ROAD.
UH, BUT BACK HERE, UM, AND THIS IS AGAIN RUMORED THAT - YEAH.
THAT GUY WITH THE NEW HOUSE IS GONNA PUT A FENCE IN TOO.
HE WANTS A VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE UP HIGH, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT ANYBODY TO SEE INTO HIS HOUSE.
SO I THINK THEY'RE KINDA WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE FENCE SITUATION IS.
'CAUSE HE HADN'T APPLIED FOR A FENCE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOT A SPEC HOME, SO TO SPEAK.
IT'S ALREADY, LIKE, THERE'S A BUILDING.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DID YOU SAY IT WAS? 11,000.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, BUT I KNOW I'M GONNA GET THE CALLS ANYWAY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE WILDLY UP TO DATE.
I GET THE SAME THING WHEN I GO OUT THERE.
HAVE YOU GOT JUST A MINUTE?
YOU KNOW HOW WE USED TO GET TONS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING IN THE STREETS.
I WONDER IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS TURNED OVER AND, AND THE PEOPLE MOVED IN KNOWING THAT WOULD HAPPEN OR WHAT, BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A COMPLAINT IN PROBABLY TWO YEARS AT LEAST ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREETS OVER THERE.
GRADUATION, HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS AND THEY HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT DRAWS A LOT OF CARS IN AND THAT'S.
IT'S USUALLY ACTUALLY FROM ONE PERSON AND, UH, AND, AND SHE LIVES ON THE STREET AND THEY FILL UP.
TO PULL THE SIGNS UP AFTER THE EVENT.
THE, UH, NEXT ITEM, CONSENT ITEM IS THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE RESERVE AT RAINTREE FOREST SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE ONE TOO.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF LOTS 201 AND 202 INTO A SINGLE BUILDABLE LOT.
IT ACTUALLY, UH, WITH THE, IT SAYS WITH EXCESS OPEN SPACE THAT INCREASES THE OPEN SPACE BY ONE ACRE.
AND TODD, I'LL, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A COMBINATION OF TWO LOTS AND IT INCREASES THE COMMON OPEN SPACE BY AN ACRE.
ARE THESE THE, THESE AREN'T THE LOTS AT THE TOP?.
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OKAY.SO, UH, DID YOU HEAR ME?
ARE, ARE THESE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE NEWEST SECTION THAT WAS APPROVED LIKE FIVE YEARS OR SO AGO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION? THE TOP, THESE AREN'T THE ONES AT THE VERY TOP OF THE HILL THOUGH.
THEY'RE NOT THOSE HOMESTEAD LOTS.
FOURTH ITEM AND CONSENT IS, UH, PURCHASE EQUIPMENT GRAPHICS AND INSTALLATION OF 11, UH, FOR, AND INSTALLATION OF THOSE ON 11 POLICE VEHICLES AND THE PAINTING OF NINE POLICE VEHICLES.
UM, THIS, SO WE HAVE A, A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON HERE.
UH, ONE IS, AS WE MENTIONED, SPECIFICALLY THE, UH, UH, THE GRAPHICS, THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE, THE TYPICAL THINGS WE PUT ON THE POLICE VEHICLES AND SEPARATE IS THE ACTUAL PAINTING OF NINE OF THE 11.
UM, WE HAD INVITATION TO BID, UH, FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.
WE, UH, SO WE HAD COMPETITIVE BIDS FOR BOTH ON THE, UH, PURCHASE OF THE EQUIPMENT GRAPHICS AND SO FORTH.
THE LOW BID IS FROM ON-DUTY DEPOT.
NOW, WITH THAT, WE HAD ANOTHER BID THAT WAS MUCH HIGHER AND A BID THAT WAS LOWER, BUT IT WAS AN INCOMPLETE BID.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE POLICE RADAR, SO WE CAN'T ACCEPT THAT.
SO THIS IS A LOW BID OF THE BIDS THAT WERE COMPLETE.
UM, AND, AND WE FEEL THIS IS A GOOD BID, GOOD NUMBER FOR THE, UH, PRODUCT AND THE SERVICE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED.
UH, FOR THE PAINTING OF THE NINE, WE HAD TWO SEALED BIDS THAT WERE OPENED.
LOW BID WAS FROM CALIBER COLLISION FOR A 2,150 PER VEHICLE, TOTAL OF 19,350, WHICH IS, UH, UH, QUITE A BIT LOWER, UH, ABOUT $250 LOWER PER VEHICLE THAN A NICE LOW BID.
AND SO THESE ARE THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE LOW BIDDERS, LOW AND COMPETENT BIDDERS FOR THE TWO PROJECTS.
SO CHIEF, DO WE USE, UH, BODY SHOP? LIKE HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANY OF THE VINYL WRAP COMPANIES THAT DO MARKETING GRAPHICS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS ONCE BEFORE.
WE'VE, WE'VE EXPLORED THOSE IN THE PAST AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND FROM SOME OTHER AGENCIES AND FROM OUR OWN, OUR OWN EXPERIENCE WITH OUR DARE VEHICLES, THEY REQUIRE MORE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, VINYL THAT STARTS COMING OFF.
IT PEELS, IT BUBBLES THE TEARS.
PARTICULARLY HIGH SPEEDS, RIGHT? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
IT WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THEY LASTED THE LIFE OF THE VEHICLE.
OH, I WANNA TELL YOU, AND I'M SURE I SPEAK TO ALL OF US, I'LL BE SURE OF THAT, BUT I AM ON THIS.
UM, YOU, WE FORWARD YOU COPIES OF EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SPEEDING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU PERSONALLY EMAIL THEM BACK.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SO THIRD PARTY OR SOMETHING, YOU DO IT.
AND I THINK THAT GIVES THEM A LOT OF CONFIDENCE.
AND THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT BECAUSE IT'S A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO SOLVING IT, BUT THEY KNOW YOU'RE LISTENING.
AND SO QUICKLY, LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
AND I, I HAVE TO GIVE A LOT OF CREDIT TO SETH YOUNG AND OUR DIRECTED ENFORCEMENT TEAM.
HE KEEPS A SPREADSHEET OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, ALL THEIR ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, WHETHER IT'S E-BIKES OR WHETHER IT'S ACTUAL, UH, VEHICLES ON THE ROADWAY.
AND HE GETS HIS OFFICERS OUT THERE VERY QUICKLY THAT ARE DEDICATED TRAFFIC OFFICERS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO HANDLING CALLS FOR SERVICE AND SOME OF THEM ARE FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS AND THEY'RE WEARING A LOT OF HATS TOO.
UH, SO SETH YOUNG DOES A GREAT JOB.
HIS TRAFFIC TEAM, UH, DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB, AND THEY HIT THOSE AREAS VERY QUICKLY.
YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK, UH, IN A WAY, IT'S SURPRISING WHEN YOU SEE THAT THIS IS ALMOST $200,000 THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS.
AND THE, THE WAY THE VEHICLE COSTS HAVE ALREADY GONE UP AND THEN TO HAVE ANOTHER, I MEAN, WE ARE LUCKY THAT WE'VE GOT A BUDGET PROCESS AND WE, WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FIR, WHEN, WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT THIS, YOU THINK, OH, JUST PUT SOME DECALS ON THE CAR AND YOU'RE OKAY.
BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE TO IT.
TURNS OUT THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
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ITEM IS OUR FIRST NEW BUSINESS ITEM.THAT'S AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE BY REVISING THE CHAPTER THAT DEALS WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR CALCULATION OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES.
AND, UH, THIS IS AGAIN ADDRESSED BY THE CODE.
IT'S AN INDEXED COST THAT WE GET FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL.
THE, UH, CURRENT PERMIT, UH, REQUIREMENT IS $170 PER SQUARE FOOT.
BASED ON THE CODE CHANGE, IT WOULD GO UP TO 170, $177.63, BUT WE DO ROUND.
AND SO THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO 180.
SO WE CHANGED FROM $170 PER SQUARE FOOT TO $180 PER SQUARE FOOT.
THERE'S THE, THEIR CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THE 177.63.
UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE MOTION SAYING, HOWEVER, I WILL, I DO WANNA, UH, UH, HIT REAL QUICK.
THIS IS THE, THE, WHAT WE CALL THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE ITEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET TIME.
ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, UH, THAT WHERE WE COM - UH, COMPARED TO FRANKLIN, THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, BUT WE HAVE TO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE CALCULATE THIS FEE, IS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TOTAL COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE IS NOT LESS THAN THE MONEY THAT WE BRING IN, AND THAT'S BASED ON, UH, NEW LEGISLATION.
I THINK IT WAS LAST SESSION, WASN'T IT? UH, THAT, THAT IT WAS APPROVED.
WE'RE, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THIS.
WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE, UH, THE LIMIT THERE, BUT WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THAT OTHER PIECE, SO YOU KNOW THAT, TO SEE WHERE FRANKLIN'S AT, SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE BE CLOSER TO THEM AND CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL MEET THE COST REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE, NOT EXCEED THAT.
SO, SO, BUT THIS IS THE ITEM, UH, BUT WE DID NOT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T REALLY WANNA HOLD THIS UP BECAUSE WE APPLY THESE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SO WE WANNA GIVE GOOD NOTICE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STILL MOVING THIS ALONG.
BUT WE, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UP ON OUR EVALUATION OF THE OTHER.
AND, AND THIS IS ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? UH, NO.
THE, THE 180 NUMBER? YEAH, THE 180 NUMBER IS.
SO WE, DO WE INCREASE THE OTHER FEES ALSO? NO, THE OTHER TABLE STAYS THE SAME.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A TABLE IN THE ICC MANUAL.
SO FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S THE 180 TIMES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THAT TOTAL GETS APPLIED TO THIS TABLE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CA- CALCULATE THE FEE.
UM - SO WHAT CHANGES THE FEE FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THEN? UM, THE COMMERCIAL IS BASED, JUST BASED ON THE VALUATION OF THE JOB.
WE GET, WE GET THE, WE GET THE VALUE OF THE JOB AND WE APPLY THAT TO THE TABLE.
I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.
YOU'RE TALKING JUST ON A $3,000 HOUSE.
SOMEBODY WHO DOES MATH REAL QUICK.
HOW MUCH IS THAT? A 3,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? HUH? WHAT 3,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? THAT'S 5,400.
BUT THEY DON'T PAY THAT AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE, SO THAT, THAT NUMBER GETS APPLIED TO THIS TABLE.
'CAUSE THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY.
NO WONDER PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE ANYMORE.
OUR AVERAGE BUILDING PERMIT FEE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IS AROUND $2,500.
SO THE TABLE ADJUSTABLE LIKE THAT.
WELL, WHERE DOES ALL THIS OTHER MONEY GO THEN? REAL, REAL QUICK.
UH, SO BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ARE VALUE-BASED, BUT THEY DO THE VALUE FOR THE COMMERCIAL DIFFERENTLY.
THIS TABLE SETS THE VALUE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THAT VALUE IS USED IN THE FORMULA TO GET TO THE PERMIT FEE.
SO YOU DON'T TAKE $180 TIMES THE, YOU KNOW, SAY 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE DON'T DO THAT EXCEPT TO DETERMINE A VALUE FOR THE PROPERTY AND THAT VALUE GOES INTO THE NEXT PART OF THE FORMULA, WHICH IS THE TABLE.
OTHERWISE, WE WOULD BE ROLLING IN DOUGH.
AND THEN THE 180 IS FOR HEATED AND COOLED SPACE.
AND SO FOR, FOR, FOR OTHER AREAS LIKE GARAGES, THAT'S, THAT'S $30.
WE'LL KEEP MOVING ON INTO OUR OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE, UH, I BELIEVE AND, UH, AS THE THIRD ONE.
WE'LL, WE'LL SKIP THESE TWO FIRST, BUT YOU WERE GONNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE, ON THE, UH, UH, HISTORIC DECOR PROJECT.
SO CHARLES WILL START OFF ON THE NEW SPONSORSHIP LEVELS FOR SUMMER CONCERT SERIES.
AND THIS IS BASED ON SEEING A LOT OF DEMAND AND INTEREST FOR THAT.
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I'LL TAKE THAT.SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR SPONSORSHIP LEVELS.
THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT, UH, 5,000 FOR PLATINUM, 3,000 FOR GOLD, 1500 FOR SILVER.
AND FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE EXCEEDED THOSE, UH, OUR, OUR FUNDRAISING GOALS FOR THE CONCERTS.
UM, AND WE HAD A LOT OF SPONSORS THAT ARE ALSO BRINGING SO IF YOU GO THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT MORE PEOPLE.
IT'S, IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF HINDRANCE.
WE WERE THINKING MAYBE BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SUCH A GOOD RESPONSE, PROPOSING A HIGHER LEVEL OF SPONSORSHIPS.
I HAVE, UH, KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE OFFER WITH THE SPONSORSHIPS.
AND THE BIG CHANGE WOULD BE, UH, ADDING A PRESENTING SPONSOR AT A $12,000 LEVEL AND THEN INCREASING THE OTHER SPONSORSHIPS.
WE DID HAVE A SPONSOR, APOLOGIZE, UH, REACH OUT TO US ASKING IF THEY COULD BE THE EXCLUSIVE IN THEIR INDUSTRY, UH, SPONSOR.
BUT THERE, THERE WAS A, WE FOUND AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT, YEAH, COULD DO THAT LEGALLY.
SO LIKE, WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, PETROSKI'S THOUGH WE WANTED TO BE THE PRESENTING SPONSOR, WE COULD DO THAT WITH A BANNER.
SO DIFFERENT THAN THE BANNER THAT'S ALREADY BEHIND YOU? YES.
SO WE HAVE THE TWO BANNERS WITH THE SPONSORS AND THEN - AND, AND THAT BANNER HAS ALL THREE LEVELS ON IT, JUST VARIED IN SIZE OR VARYING SIZE ACCORDING TO THE, THE LEVEL.
SO THE COUPLE QUESTIONS START NOW.
UM, AT ONE POINT, THE GOAL WAS TO COVER THE COST OF THE SUMMER CONCERT SERIES AND KIND OF WORK FROM THAT TO THE SPONSORSHIP LEVELS.
SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING MORE TO A MARKET BASED PRICING, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
WE WERE THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT WOULD THE MARKET BE FOR SPONSORING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? AND, UM, AND I GUESS IF WE RAISE MORE MONEY HERE THAN WHAT IT TAKES TO PUT ON THE SUMMER CONCERT SERIES, DOES THAT IMPLY THAT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO HIGHER PROFILE ACTS TO TRY TO MAYBE DO IT THAT WAY? OR IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE THE MONEY GOES INTO COMMUNITY RELATIONS FOR OTHER PURPOSES TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS PROCESS FOR THE CITY OR WHAT, WHAT, TO WHAT END ARE WE TRYING TO RAISE MORE MONEY? WELL, I THINK, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, TIGHTEN UP THE NUMBER OF SPONSORS WE HAVE.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL, UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING BIG TENTS IN FRONT OF, LIKE IN 20 SPONSORS, MAYBE GETTING ONLY MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE BIG SPONSORS.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE MONEY I BELIEVE GOES INTO THE DEBT HELD IN TRUST ACCOUNT.
UH SO WE DON'T, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND, UH, CAN USE THAT, UH, YEAR OVER YEAR FOR IF WE, IF WE HAVE AN UPDATE ACCOUNT, UH, IF WE CAN MAKE FUNDRAISING THE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'VE GOT A PRETTY HEALTHY AMOUNT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, THE GOAL ISN'T TO, UH, I MEAN IF WE DID THAT HAVING HIGHER CONCERT ACTS WOULD BE A GREAT THING.
I KNOW WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE WHO WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TALENTED MUSICIANS THAT REACH OUT TO US EVERY YEAR THAT ARE BEYOND OUR BUDGET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD USE THE EXTRA MONTH FOR IF THAT COMES THROUGH.
WELL, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROCESS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THE OTHER PART, I MEAN, AT SOME LEVEL, HAVING MULTIPLE SPONSORS AT THE LOWER LEVEL ISN'T HATEFUL IF IT'S NOT OVERLY CLUTTERED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I MEAN, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING, AND, AND I'M ASKING FROM A DIFFERENT CONTEXT, BUT I KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING FOOTBALL SPONSORSHIPS BACK AT RAVENWOOD OR THE DIFFERENT SPORTS, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE APPROACH OF TRYING TO HAVE MORE LOWER LEVEL SPONSORS TO TRY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE, BUT ALSO TO KIND OF BUILD A BIG TENT FROM A COMMUNITY RELATIONS STANDPOINT.
SO WE FELT LIKE HAVING A BIG TENT WITH LOTS OF SPONSORS WAS ALSO REALLY GOOD FROM THE PROGRAM AND PEOPLE FEELING BOUGHT IN, AS OPPOSED TO THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS AROUND THE COUNTY THAT DO FEWER BIGGER SPONSORS AND HAVE LESS PEOPLE INSIDE THE TENT, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, SO, SO THERE IS AN ELEMENT TO THAT THAT GOES INTO THIS, THIS PROCESS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING THROUGH AND ACKNOWLEDGING.
YOU THINK ABOUT CATEGORY EXCLUSIVITY, I MEAN, I KNOW AS SOMEONE WHO ASKS FOR SPONSORSHIPS, THAT IS SOMETHING I KNOW OUR BUSINESS LOOKS FOR IN ANYTHING THAT'S A SPONSORSHIP OF ANY MAGNITUDE.
SO LIKE IF WE'RE DOING A $12,000 SPONSORSHIP OR EVEN A $4,000 SPONSORSHIP, I DON'T KNOW THAT IF IT'S LEGAL, IN FACT THAT KRISTEN, I DON'T KNOW THE CATEGORY EXCLUSIVITY.
IT'S A VERY COMMON PRACTICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LEGAL PRACTICE OF CITIES.
SO THE WAY THAT WE LOOKED AT IT IS WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO DO ESSENTIALLY SOME KIND OF...
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THAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT DOING.IT JUST SEEMED A LITTLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW UNTENABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR IS, BUT A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADJUST IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE LOSING SPONSORS BECAUSE OF THAT.
UM, BUT THE SPONSORS THAT WE HAD REQUEST THAT MIGHT BE WILLING...
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA, IN, IN TALKING TO CHARLES AND KEISHA ABOUT THIS, AND JASON AND JAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOOR TO BE THAT PRESENTING SPONSOR, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE OR TWO IN DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, SO THAT'S SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE LIKE ONE BANK SPONSOR OR ONE REAL ESTATE SPONSOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE DISCUSSED THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO DO SOME KIND OF BID PROCESS FOR THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE POSITION TO TRY AND PICK WHO'S BETTER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH, AND THEN IT'S USUALLY, AT LEAST IN THE, THE CATEGORIES THAT WE WORK IN, IT'S USUALLY FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT WOULD END UP BEING.
WE JUST WOULDN'T CALL IT LIKE ONE SPOT FOR A BANK, ONE SPOT FOR A REAL ESTATE.
YEAH, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY DESIGNATE THE SPOTS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL THEM AHEAD OF TIME, OH WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME IN YOUR SECTOR AND THEY'VE GOT CATEGORY OF EXCLUSIVITY, BUT I HOPE YOU COME BACK YEAR BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT RENEW.
WE OPEN SPONSORSHIP ON NEXT DATE, YOU KNOW.
THAT LEADS TO THE QUESTION OF, WELL HOW YOU, HOW EARLY CAN I GET NEXT YEAR SLOT, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHEN IT STARTS, WHEN IT ENDS, HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT AS WELL.
AND THESE WILL DEFINITELY BE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK ON THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF UNFORESEEN CHALLENGES WE MIGHT RUN INTO, BUT OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO, TO PURSUE ALL OF THOSE AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
KIND OF A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE ACTUALLY INTEREST SO FAR.
NO, IT'S A KIND OF A NEW PROBLEM.
WHEN I WAS FIRST ON PARK BOARD, INDIANA APPROACHED ME SAYING, "HEY, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THIS?" 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPOT, WAS IT 2020? IT WAS, YEAH.
WE HAD LIKE NO SPONSORS AND WE WERE IN ROUGH SHAPE.
SO KUDOS TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY NEW PROBLEM FOR US.
DO I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING ANYBODY AT THIS INCREASED LEVEL? WELL, AGAIN, THE, UM, THE ACTUAL, AS, AS CHARLES MENTIONED, I'M NOT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT THE ACTUAL SPONSORSHIP LEVELS, THE INCREASE IS VERY MINIMAL.
AND WE MAY NOT GET THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR MONEY FOR A VETERAN'S MONUMENT THIS YEAR AND I, I JUST WONDERED IF, IF THIS IS THE YEAR TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO ABOUT MARKETING GUYS, SO I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT.
I CAN'T EXPLAIN, I CAN'T EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHY.
I, I'M, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT TOO, I DON'T KNOW.
IT JUST, UM, DID YOU SAY, IF WE'RE GOING UP THE FIRST TWO AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE GOING UP 2,500 FOR PLATINUM AND THEN THE, YOU THROW THE 12 IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE PLATINUM IN PRESENTING JUST SEEM A BIT AGGRESSIVE JUST TO, I DON'T MIND IF WE STEP UP OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BUT - HAVE YOU HAD PEOPLE ASK TO BE THE SOLE SPONSORS THAT WERE PRESENTING A LOCAL, A LONG TIME SPONSOR OF THE CONTRACT REACHED OUT AND THREW OUT A NUMBER LIKE THAT.
WELL, AS LONG AS SOMEBODY'S STANDING IN THE WINGS - CHARLES, HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE'VE CHANGED THOSE? AT LEAST, UH, FOUR AND I'M NOT SURE, THAT'S MY TENURE YEAR.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SINCE, SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 2026.
I THINK THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE FIRST INCREASE SINCE THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE.
AND WHEN WERE THEY FIRST PUT IN PLACE? UH, WOULD IT BE 2020, 2019? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY WERE THERE WHEN I GOT HERE.
SO RIGHT NOW, DO WE TAKE AS MANY AS ONE, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE A SPONSOR WHETHER IT'S PLATINUM, GOLD OR SILVER? AND SO WILL IT LIM - IN, IN A WINDOW, WE HAVE A, A WINDOW WHEN WE ACCEPT SPONSORS, SO WE HAVE TO START DOING THE MARKETING, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE POSTERS, THE, UH, THE BANNERS WITH THE, THE ADVERTISERS ON THERE.
SO IF THEY GET IT WITHIN THAT WINDOW AND WE CAST A WIDE NET AND BEEN VERY LUCKY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, JUST STRUGGLING WITH OUR OWN SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, SO MANY SPONSORS, SO MANY TENTS, SO MANY, UH - AND THAT'S, SO THE NEW ONE, THE, THE PROPOSED, WOULD THAT LIMIT OR IS IT STILL OPEN TO AS MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN GET IN THAT WINDOW? THAT WOULD JUST BE THE PRESENT, THE ONE.
AND WE MIGHT LIKE, WE STILL MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT ONE THAT YEAR.
YOU SAID THAT, UM, THE, UH, ON THE SECOND PAGE THAT THE PRESENTING SPONSOR IS NOT LIMITED TO ONE SPONSOR.
UH, THAT IS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ONE SPONSOR.
SO IF WE, IF WE THINK BACK FIVE OR SIX YEARS, WHATEVER THAT WINDOW IS, GIVEN THE INFLATION AND INFLATION STARTING, I MEAN IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN PEOPLE WANT, BUT IT'S CALMED DOWN COMPARED TO THE COVID,
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BUT IF YOU AVERAGE IT ALL OUT, THAT'S A, THOSE ARE GOING UP, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT A THIRD.THAT'S PRETTY, FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE INFLATION OVER THAT TIME.
SO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS SEEM TO BE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THE PRESENTING IS A WHOLE NEW CATEGORY.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE GET IT, FINE.
BUT THE OTHERS ARE, IF, IF, AND IT PROBABLY DOES MAKE SENSE FROM THIS, WHATEVER YOU DO THIS TIME, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE BIGGER PERCENTAGE INCREASES.
WE COULD DO THAT PRETTY EASILY.
BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT LOOKS TO BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO PERHAPS WHAT THEY WOULD BE IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT.THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WHOLE PRESENTING SPONSOR, UH, THING YOU NEED TO READ THROUGH BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE WHOLE THING ABOUT MULTIPLE PRESENTING SPONSORS FROM THAT.
UM, DO YOU, IS IT, IS A THIRD, I MEAN, I DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THE INDUSTRY, SO I MEAN, IS A THIRD, JASON, YOU, YOU SAID LIKE IT'S ABOUT A THIRD INCREASE.
SOME OF THEM, LIKE THE, THE GOLD WAS FROM THREE TO FOUR.
I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THAT'S REALLY AN AVERAGE ACCEPTED INCREASE? IS IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS OR JUST YOU'RE SAYING ALMOST YEARLY? YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING IF WE GO BACK, IF, IF WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THEM FOR SAY FIVE OR SIX YEARS, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE IT WOULD BE BECAUSE EACH INCREASE WOULD COMPOUND ON ITSELF.
WE HAD THE HIGH INFLATION TIME POST - COVID, IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE.
NOT EXACT, BUT PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE.
IDEALLY, I KIND OF AGREE YOU'D NOT WANNA GO UP AS MUCH AT ONE TIME WITH ANY KIND OF FEE GENERALLY.
NOW THIS IS MORE ABOUT, UH, RATHER THAN A FEE WHERE SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR SERVICE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S ABOUT, DO WE THINK THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF INTEREST TO, TO GET MY COMPANY'S NAME OUT IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? AND I THINK OUR INTEREST HAS BEEN PRETTY HIGH.
SO I SUSPECT WE'RE FINE ON THAT, BUT WE'D FIND OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE WEREN'T.
WELL, WE'LL MAKE AN OBSERVATION TALKING ABOUT LIKE YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE INDUSTRY STUFF.
UH, SOMETHING, AND I THINK WE ALL DO THIS NOT AS...
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE PROPOSING IT TO COMPANIES AND TALKING TO THEM, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU APPROACH THEM LIKE A PHILANTHROPY, NOT LIKE MARKETING.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN BOTH IS LIKE IF SOMEONE APPROACHES US AS A COMPANY, WE DO QUITE A BIT OF PHILANTHROPY AND THE MARKETING TIE-IN IS KIND OF A BONUS FOR THE AFFILIATE MARKETING.
BUT ALMOST NONE OF THESE STAND UP TO LIKE MEASURE MEDIA IN TERMS OF YOUR REACH AND FREQUENCY.
SO IF YOU START PITCHING IT AS MARKETING AND START DOING THIS AS, AS THAT, AND THEN THEY START HANDING IT TO THEIR MARKETING AGENCY AND START PULLING THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AND DO THE ANALYSIS, IT FALLS APART.
SO THIS IS COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THE LEVELS ARE CONSISTENT WITH CONSUMER COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IT DOES START HITTING FROM THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT TO THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT OF THE COMPANIES.
AND THEY WONDER WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, SO YEAH, YOU DON'T WANNA CROSS THAT LINE AND YOU ALSO WANNA PITCH IT THAT WAY.
THAT'S, I CAN SECOND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, WITH SPOT, WITH, WHEN WE DID SONIC AND SOME OTHER FRANCHISES WE WERE INVOLVED IN, THERE WAS SPECIFIC DOLLARS THAT WERE MEANT FOR, THERE WAS MARKETING, BUT THEN THERE WAS ALSO COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO THERE ARE - I THINK WE, LIKE WE SAID EARLIER TOO, WE'VE GOT A LOT, WE KINDA GO TO THE SAME PEOPLE.
NELSON'S DOOR GETS KNOCKED ON A LOT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE FOR THIS TIME TO ME, BUT...
I, I THINK IF THE INTEREST HAS BEEN THERE AND WE'VE HAD THIS MANY, AND IF IT, I MEAN, THEY, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN INCREASE IN THIS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT, I MEAN.
CHARLES, WHEN DO WE TYPICALLY GET THE SPONSORSHIPS FILLED, AT LEAST COMPARED TO PRIOR YEARS THE SLOT'S KIND OF FILLED? UH, WE TRY TO...
YEAH, WE TRY TO GET THEM BY, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S FEBRUARY BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE TIME TO START CR- CREATING ALL THE MARKETING MATERIALS FOR THE CONCERTS WITH ALL THE SPONSORS ON THEM.
SO FEBRUARY AND THEN, AND THEN THE REST IS REALLY PLANNING TIME FOR THE EVENT AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'LL KNOW BY THE END OF FEBRUARY IF, IF THOSE NUMBERS MAKE SENSE TO THE - YES.
IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DON'T, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE FALLING SHORT AND WE'RE, WE, WE'RE GETTING LESS INTEREST, LESS MONEY SPONSORSHIPS, WE CAN COME BACK AND ADJUST? OH YEAH, DEFINITELY.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT THOUGH AND NOT LOOK SILLY? WELL, WE MIGHT LOOK SILLY.
ANSWER THE QUESTION, I MEAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU DO IT? LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME SORT OF THINGS LIKE THE 100 CLUB WE DID FOR, UH, METRO POLICE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS 100.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FIRST TRYING TO REACH YOUR, YOUR VOLUME OF UNITS AT YOUR PRICE POINT, BUT THEN ONCE YOU START MAXING OUT
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YOUR VOLUME, THEN YOU START RAISING PRICE PER UNIT IF YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED SUPPLY.IN THIS KIND OF CASE, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY BEEN RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN REACHING THE LIMIT OF HOW MANY SPONSORS WE CAN RECOGNIZE ON THE POSTERS AND HOW MANY SPOTS WE HAVE IN THE STAGE.
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YOU CAN POSSIBLY OFFER A RENEWAL RATE AT THE SAME RATE AS PREVIOUS YEAR IF YOU RENEW AND HAVE A HIGHER RATE FOR A NEW SPONSOR AT THIS LEVEL.
SO THAT WAY YOU RETAIN YOUR CURRENT SPONSORS IF THEY KIND OF RETAIN THE GRANDFATHER STATUS AND RENEW, BUT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE HAVE? AND IF THEY'RE RENEWED, THAT WAY YOU CAN WALK THEM UP WITHOUT SHOCKING THEM TO KEN'S STANDPOINT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A NEW ONE, LIKE IF WE PUT THE PRESENTING SPONSOR OUT THERE AT $12,000, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANYBODY BECAUSE NO ONE'S RENEWING.
SO IF SOMEONE BITES, THEY'VE GOT IT.
AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW AND YOU COULD POSSIBLY TAKE OUR RETURNING SPONSORS AT THOSE LEVELS AND LET THEM RETURN, BUT PUT A NEW LEVEL OUT THERE FOR NEW SPONSORS AND SEE IF THEY, THEY COME AND THAT WAY WE, WE CAN HAVE RETENTION.
BUT THEN SEE WHAT THE MARKET IS AND THEN IF SOMEONE BACKS OUT AND NO ONE RENEWS IT, WE MIGHT GET AN IDEA THAT WE'RE PRICED TOO HIGH.
THAT MIGHT GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO WALK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND, AND ALSO WITHOUT ALIENATING THE ONES THAT GOT US HERE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BEEN RECENTLY THAT WE'VE HAD A FULL SET OF SPONSORS.
THAT WOULD KIND OF PAT US AND SEE IF THEY'RE AT, FOR THE NEXT YEAR, HOW MUCH THE INTEREST IS.
I THINK THE MOST CONVERSATION OF SPONSORS AND CHARLES, YOU DEAL WITH, YOU GUYS WORK WITH THEM, SHE WOULD KNOW, IS PROBABLY THOSE THAT ARE PLATINUM, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND NOW IT WON'T BE THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
AND ARE THEY COMFORTABLE STAYING AT A PLATINUM EVEN AT 75 OR STRETCHING TO 12 OR DO THEY FEEL LIKE, WOW, I'VE LOST MY ABILITY TO BE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO STRETCH TO 12.
MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WILL, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT TO ME, THAT'S THE AREA THAT MIGHT GENERATE THE MOST CONVERSATION IN THE LEVELS.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THE 25, THE 1500 TO 2500 TO THE THREE TO FOUR GIVEN HOW LONG WE'VE GONE WITHOUT ADJUSTING IS PROBABLY GOING TO GENERATE THAT MUCH CONVERSATION.
YEAH, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST CONVERSATION PIECE IS THE.
UM, BUT WE, YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO US WANTING TO THAT EXCLUSIVITY SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT WHILE ALSO DEALING WITH THE LARGE NUMBER.
WE'LL TAKE, UH, AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY WANT AND ADD IT TO THE COMMUNITY RELATION.
HAVE THERE, AT THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS, DO YOU SEE LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, VERSUS MORE OF A REGIONAL OR EVEN A NATIONAL THING LIKE THE OTHER TRISTAR AND SOME OF THE BIGGER BANKS VERSUS MAYBE A LOCAL BANK OR A LOCAL COMPANY? UM, DO THEY TEND TO BE SPREAD OUT AMONG ALL THREE LEVELS OR THE LOCAL COMPANIES MORE AT, AT THE BOTTOM TWO? UH, NO, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, I WISH I HAD MY, UH, LISTING.
I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO PRICE OUT.
YEAH, WILSON'S ALWAYS A PLATINUM.
I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO, I WOULDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BLOCK OUT BECAUSE WE INCREASED THE PRICE SOMEBODY THAT, THAT'S A BRONWYN BASED BUSINESS THAT MAYBE JUST CAN'T COMPETE AT THE, YOU KNOW, FOR SPONSORSHIP AT A HIGHER LEVEL.
WE HAD TRISTAR AT - ARE WE TALKING? FOR THEIR NEW, UH, ER.
SO I MEAN, BUT LOCAL COMPANY-WISE, DO YOU THINK WE'RE STILL OKAY? OH YEAH.
I THINK, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, REAL ESTATE ROOFING COMPANIES.
UM, I THINK THE 2500 IS A PRETTY REASONABLE SPONSORSHIP FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY GET TO SEE.
I'M SAYING YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE AND, UH - YES, MA'AM.
BUT YEAH, I, I, UH, LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE, UH, THE RENEWAL TO THE EXISTING SPONSOR IDEA.
FOR JUST ONE YEAR SPONSOR SEEING IF WE GET NATURAL TRADITIONAL TAKE CARE OF THAT OVER TIME.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN RUN THE RENEWAL AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO IF THEY STAY LOYAL.
AND FRANKLY, HAVING A, A, A, A GROUP OF LOYAL FOLKS THAT KEEP COMING BACK IS NOT HATEFUL.
CHARLES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? YOU, YOU GOOD? YEAH, I THINK I'M GOOD, SO YEAH.
UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MAYOR ANDREWS ASKED FOR AN UPDATE, WHICH WAS A PERFECT TIMING.
SO, UH, ARE WE WORKING WITH STD? THEY RECENTLY, UH, PRESENTED TO THE, UH, LAND EXCESS, THE EXCESS LAND COMMITTEE WITH TDOT
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AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.GAVE US THE ABILITY TO DO OUR FINAL STAMP PLAN AND SUBMIT IT TO TDOT, WHICH THEY DID.
I HAVE HERE THAT IT WAS, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN MID-OCTOBER.
AND WE RECENTLY HEARD BACK FROM TDOT YESTERDAY.
SO, SO CAN WE COVER REAL QUICK THE WILSON PIKE LOCATION? THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT ONE'S - REMEMBER THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF QUESTION ABOUT THAT? BUT I WANTED TO BE SURE TO REMIND YOU.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED IT.
SO STB FOLLOWED UP ON THAT ISSUE FOR US.
AND THEY WERE, UH, TDOT WAS FLEXIBLE, SO ALL GOOD THERE.
SO, UH, LET ME GRAB MY OTHER NOTE SHEET.
I SEE THEIR BIDDING DOWN THERE.
UH, I THOUGH STD WAS ALSO GONNA MAKE, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THE, THE PROJECT, UH, MANAGER.
SO ONCE, UH, SUBMITTED OUR STAMP PLANS, THEY HEARD BACK YESTERDAY THE DAY BEFORE FROM THE TDOT TRAFFIC DIVISION.
UH, AND WHAT TDOT IS ASKING IS FOR, THIS IS THE, UH, CONCORD ROAD THAT'S FOR ABOUT 100 FOOT OF GUARDRAIL RIGHT HERE.
UM, THIS WILL BE THE SI - THIS IS WHERE THE EXISTING SIGN IS AND WHERE WE PROPOSE THE SIGN.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A STANDARD HEIGHT FOR GUARDRAILS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD LIMIT THE VIEW.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE NEEDED IT BECAUSE WE WERE WITHIN THE, IS THE TERMINOLOGY CLEAR ZONE? SORRY, I'M NOT.
SO WE THOUGH WE WERE, WE'RE NOT WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE, SO WE THOUGH WE WERE SAFE, BUT THEY'RE STILL ASKING FOR THAT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO GET FINAL APPROVAL IS POSSIBLY MOVING THE SIGN FROM HERE TO UP HERE WHERE THERE'S A WIDER CLEAR ZONE.
AND I THINK THEY MOCKED UP VERY SMALL.
SO IT'S STILL IN THAT AREA, STILL RIGHT WHEN YOU GET OFF THE INTERSTATE.
UH, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS.
DO YOU THINK THEY, DID THEY GIVE YOU A LIMIT OF HOW FAR AWAY IT NEEDS TO BE TO NOT HAVE GUARDRAIL? 'CAUSE I HATE TO APPROVE THIS AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, "OH NO, YOU STILL NEED GUARDRAIL." WELL, UH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE THEY MIGHT DO THAT.
THIS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE STV, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE CAN PRETTY QUICKLY ASCERTAIN WHAT THEY'RE DEEMING THE CLEAR ZONE LIMITS AND SEE IF THE SIGN FITS JUST OUTSIDE OF THOSE LIMITS.
IF WE PUT IT TOO FAR, I THINK THAT'S A VALLEY THERE.
SO IF WE PUT IT TOO FAR DOWN, WE'RE GONNA BE - TOO LOW.
BUT THE GUARDRAIL HEIGHTS ARE TYPICALLY ABOUT 30 INCHES AND SIGN HEIGHTS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE ABOUT SIX FEET TO SIX FEET TALL.
AND THE SIGN IS A COUPLE FEET LOWER THAN THE GRADE ALREADY.
SO YEAH, THE GUARDRAIL PLACEMENT'S GONNA BE...
YOU CAN'T ELEVATE, YOU CAN'T ELEVATE THE LAND.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE A MOUND AND...
UH, WELL, SO THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD DO THAT, BUT EVEN THE ELEVATION OF THE MOUND WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN OBSTRUCTION IN THE CLEAR ZONE.
SO, SO THE, THE CURRENT, OR THE, THE INITIALLY PROPOSED LOCATION THERE ACTUALLY IS IN THE CLEAR ZONE.
AND IT'S INTERESTING TO ME, YOU MAY NOT GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND, YOU'RE COMING UP THE HILL.
IF THERE IS ANY CENTRIFUGAL FORCE ON YOUR VEHICLE, IT'S OUTWARD, NOT INWARD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD AND LOSE CONTROL AND GO IN.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST SORT OF STRANGE TO ME.
WAS THAT A BREAKAWAY SIGN OR WAS THAT A SOLID MATERIAL SIGN? THE BREAKAWAY IS ON THE WILSON CRESCENT.
THAT PART OF THEIR THOUGH, BUT IF IT'S IN THE CLEAR ZONE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT THE BARRIER.
UH, STD SAID THEY ARGUED WITH IT AND THAT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE STRENUOUSLY SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED A GUARDRAIL RIGHT HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING THAT FAST EVERY TIME YOU GET THAT SIGN.
FORCE SENDS YOU THE OTHER WAY.
AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO CRAZY AND HIT THE WRONG PEDAL.
YOU CAN END UP IN THE MIDDLE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE GOING UPHILL, YOU'RE LOSING SPEED SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE SIGN.
IF THERE IS ANY FORCE GENERALLY, IT'S TO THE OUTSIDE.
SURE SEEMS LIKE LOW RISK, BUT IT ALMOST DOESN'T MATTER.
THEY MADE THEIR DECISION ON THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SHE SAID THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL...
IS THAT THE SAME AS REQUIRED? UH, WELL, SINCE WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT THEY ARE WANTING FOR US TO GET THAT FINAL APPROVAL.
YEAH, WE ARE NICKEL, OF COURSE.
IF WE, IF THE, IF THE GUARDRAIL IS BECAUSE OF OUR SIGN, WE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR US TO PAY FOR THE GUARDRAIL.
IT'S OUR 6500, IT WOULD ADD 6500 DOLLARS TO THE PROJECT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
CHARLES, CAN WE, CAN WE NOT OBTAIN THE SAME LOOK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THAT SIGN IN BREAKAWAY MATERIAL AND GET AWAY WITH
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GUARDRAIL? UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, UH, LOOK AT.UH, YEAH MAN, SINCE WE'RE DOING BREAKAWAY MATERIAL AT THE WILSON PIKE.
THE CURRENT SIGN'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, ISN'T IT? IT'S NEVER BEEN HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TO EXTEND IT.
YEAH, THE GUARDRAIL STOPS RIGHT THERE.
NO, THAT, THAT'S NOT, UM, INTERSTATE STANDARDS THAT WOULDN'T, UH, BE ACCEPTABLE QUITE SURE.
SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT A BREAKAWAY, IF WE CAN MAKE IT A BREAKAWAY, WOULD THEY, CAN WE FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT? YEAH, I CAN ASK, UH, I MEAN, I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP TO SAY WHETHER YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING, BUT WE CAN ALSO ASK - BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK THE SAME, RIGHT? THE SIGN WOULD LOOK THE SAME.
AND IS BREAKAWAY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE GUARDRAIL? I WAS GONNA ASK THAT, YEAH.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK BETTER.
BUT THEN IF WE WENT TO THE NEW LOCATION FARTHER AWAY, WOULD THAT IMPLY THAT WE'D NEED A TALLER, LARGER SIGN THAN WHAT WE HAVE SPEC'D OUT RIGHT NOW TO BE SIMILARLY VISIBLE? WELL, I MEAN, PER THE ORDINANCE WE'RE CAPPED.
SO ARE WE - OUR ORDINANCE OR THEIR ORDINANCE.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE WITHOUT RESUBMITTING PLANS WITH IT IN THE NEW LOCATION, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO THE, THE TRAN - WHATEVER TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AT TDOT AND SAY, "IF WE MOVED IT HERE AND THERE WAS MORE FOOTAGE, WOULD WE STILL NEED GUARDRAIL?" BECAUSE I HATE TO, I HATE TO MAKE PLANS TO MOVE IT AND YOU TURN IT IN AND THEY SAY, "OH, YOU STILL NEED A GUARDRAIL.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE, YOU NEED GUARDRAIL." SO BEFORE WE PUT MONEY INTO REDOING THE PLANS AND GETTING LIKE EITHER COST FOR GUARDRAIL OR COST FOR BREAKAWAY OR COST FOR A NEW LOCATION TO FIND OUT IS IT THE PRESENCE OF ANYTHING IN THERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE? WELL, I'VE ALWAYS FELT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING OFF THERE, YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR TURN.
I THINK THAT'S A WASTED SIGN THERE ANYWAY.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE SO BUSY WATCHING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
NOBODY'S EVEN GONNA PAY ANY ATTENTION AND THE GUARDRAIL WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ANYWAY.
I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE WASTING MONEY IN THAT SPOT.
AND YOU, I, I JUST THINK IT'S A WASTE.
I MEAN, I DRIVE DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE SCENERY WHEN I'M GETTING OFF THERE.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA REQUEST THOUGH IS, UH, IF WE MOVE IT, IF, IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, IF WE WERE TO MOVE IT HERE, WE NEED GUARDRAIL.
THIS, THE STIPULATION IS SPECIFICALLY WE DO NOT...
I MEAN, BEFORE WE DO IT AS A FORMAL APPLICATION, IF WE CAN FIND THAT OUT.
I, I MEANT LIKE BEFORE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THEIR BOARD AGAIN.
EXPLORE OPTIONS BEFORE WE FINALIZE ALL THE PAPERWORK.
JUST LIKE IF YOU FIND THEIR POSITIVE EQUIVALENCE AND JUST ASK THEM BEFORE YOU OFFICIALLY TURN IT IN, IF IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT I'M NOT JUST POSITIVE WITH THE PROCESS, BUT THE WAY THEY EXPLAINED IT TO ME YESTERDAY IS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVED BY ALL THE ENTITIES EXCEPT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE ON OUR FINAL ONE.
AND ONCE THEY SAY YES TO THAT WITHOUT, IF THEY SAY YES TO THAT WITHOUT THE GUARDRAIL, THEN THAT'S THE FINAL STEP OF THE PROCESS.
QUESTION TOO ON THAT LOCATION, CHARLES.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT LOCATION, AGAIN, NOT, NOT BEING OUT THERE RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE TRAIN, COULD BE UP THE HILL AT LEAST ANOTHER CAR LENGTH OR TWO AND STILL - TWO FEET.
STILL BE WELL IN FRONT OF THE, LOOKS LIKE THE TREE OR BUSHES OR WHATEVER'S OUT THERE AND BE UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS...
I, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY, THAT THE DESIGNER PICKED THAT LOCATION AND DID MOVE IT UP A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE? UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WITHIN THAT CLEAR ZONE.
ARE YOU SAYING MOVING IT FROM THERE TO HERE? NO, NO, NO.
JUST, UH, AS YOU, AS YOU GO BACK TOWARDS THE, THE CURRENT SIGN RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A TREE OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THAT.
SO YEAH, RIGHT ABOUT WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP THE HILL? I DON'T KNOW.
YOU STILL HAVE PLENTY OF CLEAR ZONE.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY, UH, THAT AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, JUST GETTING IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE TREE, BUT IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE UP THE HILL, UH, THAN IT IS RIGHT THERE.
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UH, LIKE I SAID, I ASSUME THERE'S A REASON, BUT THE, THE, UH, WHAT I THOUGH IS, IS THAT A LITTLE MORE YOU COULD GO UP IF THAT'S AN ISSUE MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME VISIBILITY AND STILL NOT HAVE A GUARDRAIL.YEAH, I'LL GET THEM TO CLARIFY THAT WHY THEY'RE MAYBE NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT UP.
THEY CAN TELL YOU REAL QUICK IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AT THAT LOCATION, AT THAT APPLICATION OF THE, UH, BREAKAWAY VERSUS THE HARD MATERIALS.
THEY MIGHT SAY FOR SOME REASON BREAKAWAY DOESN'T WORK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, TO REQUEST AT WHAT, IF BREAKAWAY WOULD WORK HERE WITHOUT A GUARDRAIL - UH-HUH.
THAT OPTIONS AND CLARIFY WHY NOT HERE, BUT THEN ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH IN THIS AREA? WITHOUT A GUARDRAIL.
AND WHAT'S YOUR SHOW? THE ARM COMMITTEE HAS, HAS MADE SOME DECISIONS.
UH, THE FLAG, THE ORIGINAL CITY FLAG, WHERE WE WANTED TO PUT IT DOWNSTAIRS BY THE ELEVATOR WHEN YOU GET IT UP FRAMED, IT HAS TO BE A PARTICULAR KIND OF SHADOW BOX TO PRESERVE THE FLAG.
UH, I MEAN, IT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF SPECIAL TECHNIQUES.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT IN A FRAME AND HANG IT UP IF WE WANT TO PRESERVE IT.
ANYHOW, THAT'S GONNA BE TOO BIG FOR THAT ONE SPOT.
SO I TALKED WITH JASON ABOUT AS YOU ENTER OUR COMMISSION DOORS AND OUR OFFICE IS ON THE RIGHT AND THE CHAMBERS ONLY ON THAT WALL THERE, HAVING THE FIRST BRENTWOOD CITY FLAG.
IS THAT OKAY WITH Y'ALL? YEAH.
I THINK IT WOULD LOOK NICE THERE AND IT WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE.
THEY, UM, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE...
WELL, THE, THE PRICEY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE FRAMED ARE AT THE FRAMERS AND THEY WILL START AS SOON AS THEY GET THE MONEY FROM THE CITY, WHICH SHOULD BE ANY DAY, LIKE TODAY, TOMORROW, WHATEVER.
IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT FIVE WEEKS, WHICH PUT US...
AND OTHER THINGS ARE BEING FRAMED BY THE COMMITTEE THAT DON'T REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL, SPECIAL FRAMING.
OH, UH, ONE OF THOSE, UH, UH, SHOWCASES THAT SHE PUT MEMOR - ME- MEMENTOS IN, THAT, THAT'S ON ORDER.
ANYHOW, ALL OF THAT WILL BE HERE, AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE READY BY, UH, DECEMBER 1ST.
WELL, UH, IT OCCURRED TO ME, AND I STAY OUT OF THEIR DECISIONS, BUT I TRY TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH CHARLES AND JASON ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THE CITY DOES THEIR CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS DOWNSTAIRS RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TRADITION THEY'VE DONE EVERY YEAR.
AND THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO PROMOTE WHAT THEY'VE DONE ONCE IT'S, IT'S UP, YOU KNOW, PUT IT ON FACEBOOK, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LITTLE HISTORIC DESCRIPTIONS THERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN READ AND SEE WHAT ALL THIS IS.
UH, SO IN ORDER TO AVOID A CONFLICT, JANUARY 1ST IS WHEN THEY'LL DO THEIRS.
LET ALL THE CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS GET DOWN IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THAT BEERS MAP.
UH, IT'S ONE OF THE EARLIEST MAPS OF BRENTWOOD.
UH, WE'RE HAVING THAT REALLY ENLARGED, AND IT'S SO INTERESTING IN THOSE DAYS.
THIS GOES BACK TO, LIKE, WHEN, WHEN, UM, WENDY HILL WAS BUILT THAT FAR BACK.
ON THE MAP, IT'LL SAY MRS. HAMMOND'S HOUSE.
AND IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME ROADS WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
AND THEN DOWN THERE'S ONE OF THE OWEN'S HOUSE, AND THAT'S HOW THEY MARK THE MASS.
AND WE WANT TO PUT THAT BY THE ELEVATOR THAT, THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE STANDING THERE WAITING FOR THE ELEVATOR, THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT, LEARN A LITTLE HISTORY.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE IN Y'ALL'S AGREEMENT WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
THEY'VE WORKED REAL HARD, SO, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY, UH, AFTER WE GET BACK IN JANUARY, WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING PUT UP, SO.
AND I THANK JASON, BECAUSE HE HAS WORKED IN MUS - WITH MUSEUMS BEFORE IN HIS OTHER JOBS.
SO HE UNDERSTOOD ABOUT NEEDING TO PRESERVE THE ART BECAUSE IT IS PRICEY.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA PRESERVE IT BETTER THAN KEEPING IT STORED AS WELL.
SO YOU KINDA GET TWO BENEFITS.
I, I WAS HESITANT TO BRING THAT FIGURE TO HIM.
HE WASN'T SURPRISED AT ALL NO.
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WISH I COULD TELL YOU IT WAS.