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          LAST WEEK. 
          SO 
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WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing July 23, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the July 27th Agenda, the item below will be discussed:  Teen Space Renovation Volunteer Board Membership Following Election to City Commission This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
HARD WEEK TAKE YOU THROUGH, I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE LONG TO GET THROUGH THE AGENDA. 
          AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE TEAM SPACE AT THE LIBRARY, UH, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING. 
          AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT BE ELECTED, AND ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS GUIDANCE ON THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE A NICE, NICE, GOOD MORNING. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH, FOR OUR MEETING REVIEW, WE HAVE THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT, UH, QUARTERLY MEETING, AND WE HAVE THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT AND STATUS UPDATE. 
          UH, THERE'S NO BIG NEWS, UH, THERE. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR, UH, PACKET THAT THE YEAR TO DATE REVENUES ARE 104%. 
          THE YEAR TO DATE EXPENSES ARE 92% OF BUDGET. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY GOOD ON BOTH SIDES. 
          THE REVENUES ARE JUST A TOUCH LOWER THAN THE, UH, PRIOR YEAR. 
          A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE DISTRIBUTION, AND A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE INTEREST. 
          UH, NOTHING OF CONCERN. 
          I AM GONNA FOLLOW UP AND CHECK. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, OUR, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE RIGHT NOW THAT CAN TELL ME THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE DISTRIBUTION, WHAT CAUSES THE DISTRIBUTION TO VARY IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT, UH, UM, IT'S, UH, NOT ANY SIGN ANYTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE. 
          BUT I DO WANNA CHECK ON THAT, BUT WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THE, THE, THE ONLY THING I, AND I WAS THINKING AFTER THE MEMO SENT OUT, YOU SENT OUT SAYING THAT, UH, WILLIAMS COUNTY EMERGENCY, UH, AMBULANCES STUFF WILL, WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          IS THAT WORTH COMMENTING ON DURING THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SIDE? JUST, OR MAYBE AT OUR REGULAR MEETING? EITHER WAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, OF COURSE THE, THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION'S, JUST THE DISPATCH. 
          SO PROBABLY THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE COMMITMENT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS RIGHT NOW. 
          I DO THINK, THOUGH, ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE, UH, FIRST YOU HAVE TWO ISSUES. 
          ONE IS YOU HAVE THE SERVICE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EVENTUALLY A NEW OWNER. 
          IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST A YEAR OUT, I WOULD THINK, IN THE TRANSITION. 
          THERE WILL BE A TIME THEY LOOK AT THINGS. 
          THINGS DO CHANGE IN, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE A CHANGE WELL INTO THE FUTURE. 
          WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE'LL BE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION AND BEING A PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION AND DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN SECONDARILY AS WELL, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, UH, ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE I THINK, A REALLY SOLID COUNTY COMMISSION THAT, THAT, UH, WANTS TO HELP SUPPORT THAT, WHO KNOWS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT GROUP WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EMS SERVICES ARE JUST AS GOOD AS THEY HAVE BEEN, AND THAT THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTION AT LEAST EQUALS WHAT IT HAS BEEN AS WELL. 
          SO, WELL, AND, AND SOMETHING TO BE, I GUESS, AWARE OF AS, AS A COUNTY COMMISSION. 
          AND AS A COUNTY, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING, I GUESS, LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING MEDICAL SERVICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO ESSENTION IS A PRIVATE COMPANY IS AGREEING TO PROVIDE IT, BUT THEY'RE BEING PAID TO PROVIDE IT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND WILLIAMSON HEALTH WAS PAID TO PROVIDE IT AS WELL, BUT WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, THEY, THEY SUBSIDIZED IT SOMEWHAT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S SOON, WHAT, A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS. 
          NOW, AS A CITY, WE DON'T PROVIDE HEALTHCARE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN INFLUENCE AND ENCOURAGE THOSE GUYS AND THOSE GUYS REPRESENT US, YOU KNOW, AS, AS OUR COUNTY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO WANNA BE AWARE OF THE SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THE COUNTY'S LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE. 
          NOW THERE'S, AND I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, THERE'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT IDEAS AMONG DIFFERENT COUNTIES ACROSS TENNESSEE, WHAT IT MEANS TO PROVIDE IT. 
          SO, LIKE WHAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY PROVIDES IS A LOT HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN SAY WHAT SOME OF THE RURAL COMPANIES COMMIT TO PROVIDE. 
          AND A LOT OF THE RURAL COMPANY OR CON, UH, COUNTIES HAVE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I GUESS WILLIAMS, I GUESS ESSENTIALLY WITH TON HEALTH, AND CHRISTINE, YOU MAY KNOW, I GUESS, IS THAT COUNT AS A PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE OR, I DON'T KNOW. 
          CHIEF COLLINS WOULD KNOW. 
          I THINK HE'S AT A SEMINAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JUST FROM WORKING, I DON'T KNOW THE WAY IT'S SET UP, JUST FROM WORKING FOR ST. 
          THOMAS. 
          SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AMBULANCE SYSTEM. 
          THEY HAVE THE ST. 
          THOMAS EMS STEMS YEAH. 
          TRUCKS. 
          AND SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR SYSTEM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THEY, THEY KEEP ONE AT OUR HOSPITAL. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A STAFFED ONE AT OUR HOSPITAL IN HICKMAN COUNTY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT MY, JUST, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE SYSTEM OVERALL IS THAT THEY DO MOSTLY INTRAHOSPITAL TRANSPORT MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, VERY, AND THEN LIKE EVENTS THAT THEY'RE CONTRACTED THROUGH, LIKE TITANS GAMES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANY AMBULANCES THAT GO ON THE SCENE TO PICK UP PATIENTS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL ADAPT THEIR MODEL TO DO THAT OR IF THEY'LL KEEP THE COUNTY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS, AS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THEM. 
          SO, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S THE AMBULANCE SERVICES ITSELF. 
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YOU, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT ONSITE AMBULANCES, WILLIAMSON HEALTH HAS HAD A PARTNERSHIP WITH LEWISTON COUNTY SCHOOLS WHERE THEY'VE HAD AMBULANCES LIKE LITERALLY AT FOOTBALL GAMES, ANOTHER FOOTBALL STATION ON SITE. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO. 
          AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY AND OR THE SCHOOLS OR ASCENSION CHOOSES TO PAY TO HAVE A, 'CAUSE THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T VOLUNTEERS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAID TO BE THERE. 
          SO, UM, AND THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER ASPECT THAT WE WANNA BE GENERALLY AWARE OF IS I BELIEVE A LOT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ALSO WORK SHIFTS WITH EMS, WHICH IS A NICE REVENUE STREAM FOR 'EM AND, AND HELPS. 
          I TEXTED OUR EXPERTS, SO THERE HE IS. 
          I'M WONDERING OVER THE YEARS, HOW MANY TIMES THE AMBULANCE SERVICE SERVICES CHANGED AND IT'S BEEN SO SEAMLESS WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, I MEAN, I'M WONDERING IF, BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE HEADLINES THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO PANIC OVER SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE PANIC WORTHY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          IT'S PROBABLY HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          I, THE OTHER THING IS THE STATE, UH, LEGISLATURE HAD, AND IS TASER THE RIGHT WORD FOR THE ENTITY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DO THE STUDIES? UHHUH , THEY, THEY, UH, UM, PASSED LEGISLATION. 
          IT'S BEEN, I THINK A COUPLE, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF SESSIONS AGO FOR TASER TO STUDY THE, THE FUNDING OF EMS AND EMS SERVICES IN THE STATE. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY REPORT EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINISHING UP. 
          AND WHAT I SAW IS, IS THEY WERE NOT RECOMMENDING, THE QUESTION WAS IS WHILE IT'S A COUNTY REQUIRED FUNDING OF EMS SERVICE COUNTYWIDE, SHOULD THE CITIES PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE? THAT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS NOT TO REQUIRE CITIES TO DO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HOW WE FULLY FUND EMS SERVICES, PROBABLY AN EMPHASIS IN AREAS THAT HAVE LOWER QUALITY SERVICES AND MORE DIFFICULTY FUNDING THAN WHAT WE HAVE. 
          I'M I'M SURE OF THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T AFFECT US. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT WE DO AS WELL AS A LOT OF COUNTIES IS, IS WE HAVE FIRST RESPONDER SERVICES THROUGH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE DON'T TRANSPORT, BUT WE, SOME WE'RE OFTEN THERE, UH, MORE QUICKLY THAN THE ACTUAL AMBULANCE SERVICES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, IN ESSENCE, WE SUBSIDIZE THE COUNTY SERVICE BY DOING THAT. 
          WE DON'T CHARGE THEM FOR THAT. 
          THAT COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET TO HAVE OUR EMTS AND OUR PARAMEDICS AND TO TRAIN THEM AND TO TAKE OUR EQUIPMENT OUT AND TO DO THOSE THINGS AND TO STAFF. 
          SO WE DON'T DO THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S A GREAT CONTRIBUTORY COMPLIMENTARY FACTOR FOR THE EMS SYSTEM. 
          SO AS THEY START THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS, THAT FACTOR HAS TO COME INTO THIS. 
          AND, AND I DOUBT THAT IS HAPPENING. 
          I'M SURE IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN EVERY COUNTY. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WITH EMS THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE JUST TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO. 
          AND OUR FIRE CHIEF BRIAN IS PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THESE REGULARLY, SO WE WANT TO KEEP OUR THUMB ON IT, MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING AND HOW WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THOSE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ALL GOOD AND STABLE, AND EVERYTHING'S WORKING OUT OKAY, BUT WE JUST WANT TO KEEP LISTENING AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. 
          AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IS I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT AND NOT NECESSARILY TAKE PUBLIC POSITIONS ON IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DIRECT DECISION TO MAKE, AND WE MAY HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING INDIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, AS IT STARTS AFFECTING OUR, OUR TEAM AT, AT, AT FIRE AND RESCUE OR OTHERS, AND, AND MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW THESE THINGS FIT TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND NOT KNOWING WHAT IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WHAT YEARS MAYBE 2, 3, 4, 5 WOULD HOLD, IT DOES RAISE THE QUESTION AT SOME POINT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT WE ALL IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES, UH, NEED TO BE IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT DOES COUNTYWIDE EMS NEED TO LOOK LIKE INTO THE FUTURE? BUT IT MAY RAISE THAT QUESTION, WHICH IS A GOOD QUESTION TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO, TO SEE WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE DO WE HAVE? IS IT SUFFICIENT OR DOES IT NEED TO BE ENHANCED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          HOW'S IT PAID FOR? UH, SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF ALL THAT AND BE A PART OF THAT. 
          SO IT, IT MAY LEAD TO A CONVERSATION, AND IF IT DOES, WE'RE WILLING TO JUMP RIGHT IN AND BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. 
          BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED IF THERE'S, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE EMPHASIS IS FROM OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT REPRESENT OUR AREAS. 
          LIKE, NO, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP LEVEL SERVICE. 
          THERE'S NO THREAT OF LOSING IT. 
          EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. 
          BUT AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW LONG TERM. 
          SO WE'LL BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. 
          GOOD, GOOD STUFF THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOING IN AND, UH, SWITCHING OVER TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE START OFF WITH THE ORDINANCE AMENDING VARIOUS SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 78. 
          AND IF YOU RECALL, 78 IS, THIS ALL GOES BACK TO ADDRESSING THE IMPACT OF LARGE HOUSES BEING BUILT WHERE SMALLER HOUSES WERE. 
          AND THIS IS THE, UH, SECTION THAT DEALS WITH GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. 
          IT WOULD REQUIRE BR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE AND R TWO TO, UH, ALL HAVE, UH, MINIMUM GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT OF 40%, JUST LIKE OSRD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM? THERE'S 
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ONE QUESTION. 
          I KNOW LAST TIME WE BROUGHT THIS UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BIG PUSHBACK FROM THE BUILDERS OR DIFFERENT FOLKS. 
          DOES ANYTHING ELSE KIND OF COVERED? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT JUST SIMILAR COUPLE CALLS ABOUT ASKING WHAT REENACTED AND PERMITS PRIOR TO THAT DATE, IF THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED. 
          SO YES, IT WOULD BE SO, SO NO ONE'S CALLED A, LIKE WITH SOMETHING THEY THINK IS AN OVERSIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NO, HAVEN'T HAD THAT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, MANY OF THE BUILDERS LIKE TO DO THESE, ANY, THESE PRACTICES ANYWAYS, AS A MEANS, JUST TRY TO PROTECT THEIR ENHANCEMENTS. 
          SURE. 
          THE, UH, I CAN TAKE YOU BACK INTO ANY OF THE DETAIL LOOKS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, THE SECOND PIECE OF THIS IS, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO BOTH CHAPTERS 14 AND 56. 
          AND THIS DEALS WITH THE, UH, THE PERMITTING. 
          CHAPTER 14, UH, DEALS WITH THE PERMIT FEE. 
          CHAPTER 56 IS THE PERMIT AND THE REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, AS THEY TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SO, UH, DEPENDING ON THE, UM, THE, THE, THE HOME AND DEPENDING ON THE, UH, UH, IMPACT TO THE DRAINAGE AND THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE LOOK AT THIS THREE TIER SYSTEM, AS YOU REMEMBER, AND WE ADDRESS IT BASED ON THOSE TIERS AND BASED ON THE IMPACT USING THE GREEN, UH, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, CONTROLS. 
          AND TO MAKE SURE, REALLY TWO GOALS. 
          ONE IS WE DON'T SEE, UH, WATER QUALITY GO BACKWARDS. 
          AND TWO IS, AS WE TYPICALLY DO WITH, UH, HOW WE DRESS DRAINAGE IS WHEN THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO SEE WHATEVER THE DRAINAGE SITUATION IS, IT SHOULD NOT GET WORSE. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY ASPECTS TO THAT, USING A PERMIT PROCESS TO DO THAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. 
          I SAID ITEM THREES IS THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN, UH, AN ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ARDEN WOODS SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THIS, THIS ONE'S PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          UH, IT, THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, IS, UH, HAS, LET'S SEE, 29, WELL, LET'S SEE, PLANTED ORIGINALLY WITH, UH, 30 LOTS, UH, BACK IN NINE SEVEN, UH, TWO OF THE LOTS WERE COMBINED INTO A SINGLE LOT. 
          SO BACK IN OH 2003, IT WENT FROM 30 LOTS TO 29 LOTS. 
          'CAUSE TWO WERE COMBINED FOR A LARGER LOT. 
          UH, NOW THEY WISH TO, IN ESSENCE, UNCOMBINED AND GO BACK TO 30 LOTS, WHICH IS FINE. 
          THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, UH, DESIGNED THIS, THE TOTAL PROPERTY IS 1.37 ACRES. 
          UH, THERE'S, THIS IS GIVES YOU AN IDEA IN THE SUBDIVISION, UH, WHERE IT'S AT THIS RED LOT RIGHT HERE. 
          IT'S A CORNER LOT. 
          UM, A BETTER GRAPH. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE LOT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, EXISTING HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE NEW LOT FOR ONE ADDITIONAL HOUSE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN EQUIVALENT TO HOW THE SUBDIVISION WAS FLATTED IN FIRST PLACE. 
          YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE DETENTION. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE DETENTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOT. 
          SO IT CREATES, IN ESSENCE, THE, THE THIRD SPACE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR DETENTION. 
          SO THERE SHOULD BE NO CONCERNS ABOUT STORM WATER, UH, AND CONTROL FOR THAT LOT. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, IT TAKES IT BACK TO 30 LOTS, ADDRESSES THE DETENTION. 
          UM, IT WAS ADDRESSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JULY 6TH, AND THEY APPROVED THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PLAN. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, REALLY. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS? THIS, THIS REMINDS ME, I SAW SOMETHING ON THE NATIONAL NEWS LAST NIGHT WHERE THERE WAS SOME FLOODING, AND I THINK IT WAS NATIONAL ANYHOW, IT SHOWED WHERE AFTER THE FLOOD WATERS RECEDED, UH, THERE WAS A, UM, CULVERT, A BIG ONE THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WAS FULL OF DEBRIS. 
          AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE DEMANDING THAT THE CITY CLEAN IT OUT. 
          AND THE STATE LAW WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK, THAT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER TO KEEP THE DEBRIS OUT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, CULVERTS NEAR THEIR HOMES. 
          AND OF COURSE, MOST OF THE HOMEOWNERS WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A VERY QUIET LAW THAT PEOPLE JUST SORT OF ASSUME THAT NO ONE WOULD EXPECT ME TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE STATE DOES. 
          SO, YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING. 
          YEAH, THAT IS INTERESTING. 
          AND UH, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY EVERYTHING WORKS FINE, BUT LIKE YOU SAY, WHEN YOU GET THAT EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION, THAT'S WHEN IT BRINGS ALL THIS TO LIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SOMETIMES IF, IF THIS, AND IT'S PROBABLY UP TO THE CITIES AND IT MAY DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF, OF STREAM OR DITCH OR WHATEVER THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SOMETIMES YOU, THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE TO HELP BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T KNOW AND THEY'RE JUST NOT SUITED TO DO IT. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY YEAH, IT WAS A MESS. 
          ALRIGHT, . 
          SO, SO ALONG THOSE, THOSE LINES ON 
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THIS PARTICULAR THING, THE, UM, THE DETENTION POND, IS THAT PART OF THE HOA PROPERTY ALREADY OR BY SPLITTING THE SLOT AND RE PLATTING IT? DOES IT GET RE PLATTED AS PART OF THE HOA PROPERTY OR IT IS OPEN SPACE, BUT GO AHEAD TODD. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          SO ORIGINALLY THE DETENTION AREA WAS ON LOT 13. 
          IT WAS PRIVATE, BUT IT WAS TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, THERE WAS A NOTE ON THE PLAT MM-HMM. 
          WITH THIS CLEANUP AND REPL, WE'RE NOW REQUIRING THAT DETENTION TO BE OWNED BY THE HOA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO MAINTAINED BY THE HOA OF COURSE. 
          SO WE'RE RE PLATING IT AND YEP. 
          SO WE'RE CLEANS IT UP. 
          SO REALLY IT CLEANS IT UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY, GOES FROM ONE PLAT TO THREE PLATS, UH, ONE FOR LOT 13, ONE FOR LOT 12, AND ONE FOR THE DETENTION POND. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE ONE PLAT, BUT IT WILL CREATE, UH, THREE LOTS ON ONE PLAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THREE PAR, TWO BUILDABLE LOTS IN THE DETENTION LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          CONSENT ITEM FOUR IS A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES AN AMENDMENT WITH MEDICAL OR MEDICAL BENEFITS ADMINISTRATORS AMENDMENT FOR PHARMACY BENEFIT MANAGEMENT FOR, FOR THE UPCOMING OR CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND SO THE SHORT OF THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WE HAVE WORKED TO DEAL WITH SPECIALTY MEDICATIONS BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THOSE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN PRETTY EFFECTIVE TRYING TO KEEP THE COST DOWN. 
          ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT IS THAT WHEN A PATENT FOR A BIOLOGIC MEDICATION EXPIRES, THERE ARE FDA APPROVED, WHAT THEY CALL BIOSIMILARS, UH, THAT ARE BECOMING AVAILABLE. 
          UM, AND THEY OFFER THE SAME BENEFITS OF THE, OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL DRUG AT A MUCH LOWER COST. 
          AND SO HISTORICALLY WE MODIFIED OUR PLAN TO SAY, OH, HERE'S THE BIOSIMILAR FOR THIS PARTICULAR DRUG. 
          SO IN 2024, YOU APPROVED, EXCLUDING HUMIRA IN FAVOR OF A BIOSIMILAR ALTERNATIVE, AND IN 2025 STELARA FOR BIOSIMILAR. 
          AND SO YOU'D EXCLUDE THE NAME BRAND BECAUSE THERE'S A BIOSIMILAR THAT'S LESS COST, THAT PROVIDES THE SAME BENEFIT THAT WE DO ALLOW TO HAVE FOR BENEFIT OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS AMENDMENT FOUR DOES IS SORT OF THE SECOND STEP IN A, IN A PROCESS. 
          BUT IN ESSENCE WHAT IT DOES IS, IS IT ESTABLISHES, WE HAVE THE, ORIGINALLY THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE BIOSIMILAR MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, BUT IT INCORPORATES, UH, A BIOSIMILAR MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER THAN HAVE TO TAKE EVERY SINGLE DRUG WHERE THERE'S A BIOSIMILAR AND HAVE TO CHANGE THE PLAN AND GO THROUGH THE ACTIONS, THE PROGRAM WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT FOR US. 
          AND SO THAT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER, A LOT MORE STREAMLINED, SAVES A LOT OF TIME. 
          SO IT DOES REALLY TWO THINGS THAT IT, IT FORMALLY TRANSITIONS OUR PLANS FROM MANAGING BIOSIMILARS ON A DRUG BY DRUG BASIS TO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM I JUST MENTIONED AUTOMATICALLY, INCLUDING THE PREFERRED FDA APPROVED BIOSIMILAR DRUG. 
          AND WHEN DOING THAT, EXCLUDING THE NAME BRAND DRUG BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BIOSIMILAR, UH, IN THERE. 
          AND SECONDLY, IT CLARIFIES COVERAGE FOR THE GLP ONE MEDICATIONS BY CONTINUING COVERAGE FOR DIABETES, WHICH IS, WHICH THE ORIGINAL INTENDED THE GLP. 
          AND WE, THEY REALIZE THAT THEY ARE REALLY GOOD FOR HELPING SOMEONE LOSE WEIGHT, BUT WE DON'T PROVIDE, UH, WE, WE EXCLUDE THOSE MEDICATIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR WEIGHT MANAGEMENT. 
          SO WE HAVE 'EM FOR DIABETES, BUT NOT FOR WEIGHT MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT TRYING TO MANAGE THE COST, UH, BASED ON THE POPULARITY OF THOSE. 
          YOU SEEM ADVERTISED ALL OVER. 
          UM, AND, AND APPARENTLY, I I, I CAN'T GET YOU INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL HERE, BUT APPARENTLY THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT LONG TERM, WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE OR NOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, SEEN A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT. 
          BUT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION HERE THAT WE WANT TO USE 'EM FOR THE HEALTH, THE MAIN PRIMARY HEALTH ISSUE, BUT NOT FOR THE WEIGHT MANAGEMENT. 
          AT LEAST NOT YET. 
          AND THAT MAY, WHO KNOWS, THAT MAY CHANGE IN TIME. 
          MAYBE THERE'LL BE A DECISION AT SOME POINT AND A RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO JASON'S JUST QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO MEDICARE HAS CHANGED THE STANDARDS FOR THE GLP. 
          UM, AND THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, BUT IT'S NOT JUST DIABETES. 
          SO IT'S PRE, PRE-DIABETES, UH, CARDIAC DISEASE, AND I THINK OBSTRUCTIVE SLEEP APNEA. 
          SO THOSE ARE AN INSURANCE, I GUESS WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, INSURANCE PLAN, WHATEVER. 
          BUT THE MEDICARE, UM, AND THEY, IT'S, UH, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH SPECIFIC ONES ARE COPY THEY'RE COVERING, BUT, BUT IT'S THE, THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND IT'S PUBLIC THAT THEY HAVE MADE THIS CHANGE, UH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA REIMBURSE. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, POSSIBLY TRICARE IS ALSO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND RE I, I MEAN I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE MEDICINE. 
          I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A STANDARD, UM, BECAUSE JUST SAYING DIABETES FOR THAT IS NOW, IT'S NOW NOT THE ONLY APPROVED INDICATION. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, THE, THE PRE-DIABETICS WITH UH, CERTAIN OTHER DISEASES ARE, ARE NOT QUALIFIED, AT LEAST UNDER MEDICARE. 
          JANET, WHAT WOULD YOU NAME THOSE? THE OTHER THREE 
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CONDITIONS THERE? UM, SO PRE-DIABETES, WHICH IS LIKE A HEMOGLOBIN A1C OVER 5.5 OR 5.6 MM-HMM . 
          UM, SOME CARDIAC DISEASES. 
          AND I THINK OBSTRUCTIVE SLEEP APNEA IS THE THIRD ONE. 
          YEAH, I'LL CHECK ON THOSE. 
          JUST TO BE SURE WE DON'T LIST THEM. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ORAL FORM TOO VERSUS INJECTABLE AND I THINK IT'S THE PILLS THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE PILL WHICH THEY'RE CLAIMING IS EQUAL. 
          I REMEMBER SEEING IT, BUT I DIDN'T STUDY IT, SO, BUT THAT'S, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I'LL CHECK AND SEE OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS I, I'LL TAKE NOT ONE OF THESE DRUGS, BUT I TAKE A HIGH COST DRUG. 
          MED PEN CALLS ME EVERY OTHER MONTH JUST TO CHECK ON. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL, THEY'RE VERY GOOD, BUT THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY REALLY, THEY REALLY LEAVE YOU WITH A SENSE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU. 
          SO THAT'S PERSONAL. 
          GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR ABOUT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, YOU ALSO GONNA CHECK ON THE CHEMO? YES. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT A NOTE ON THE CHEMO AS WELL. 
          UH, CHANGE OR CONSENT. 
          ITEM FIVE IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH ARCH DESIGN SOLUTIONS, UH, ON CALL CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING INSPECTION SERVICES. 
          THIS IS SPECIFICALLY A CHANGE ORDER, UH, THAT DEALS WITH, UH, THE NEED TO RELOCATE THE FIBER OPTIC CABLE RELATED TO A CROCKETT CSX UH, TRAIN LINE BRIDGE REPAIR PROJECT. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH LARGE, UH, FOR THE DESIGN FOR THAT, UH, BRIDGE REPAIR. 
          AND THEY'VE REVEALED THE NEED TO RELOCATE THE FIBER OPTIC CABLE. 
          SO THAT AFFECTS THE COST OF THE DESIGN. 
          IT'S, UH, 14,882. 
          SO IT'S NOT, NOT TOO SIGNIFICANT. 
          IN ADDITION, WITH THIS REQUEST, NOT POTENTIALLY ANTICIPATING SOME OTHER SMALL ITEM, RATHER THAN NEED TO BRING IT TO YOU, WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, ADDITIONAL 15,000 CONTINGENCY. 
          SO IF IT'S A SMALL, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT AND SAVE YOU THE TIME AND EFFORT, NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM DOES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? JUST A QUICK, UM, THANK YOU TO, IT'S WEIRD THAT THIS CAME UP. 
          MARTIN YATES AND TRAVIS LANGFORD, UM, APPARENTLY THEY, YOU GUYS WERE GONNA CONTRACT OUT TO HAVE IT LATE OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY DECIDED THEY COULD DO WHAT FOR THE FIBER, FOR THE OPTIC, THE WIRING. 
          I KNOW WHY YOU'RE, I'M JUST, YOU NOT SCARED THIS COME TO OUR HOUSE. 
          I CAN'T SLEEP OUTTA THE SIDE. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, I WAS LOOKING AT DALE BEHIND YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE TALKING TO MARTIN ABOUT A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND THIS CAME UP AND HE WAS EXPLAINING HOW THEY RENTED A TRENCHER AND DROPPED THE FIBER OPTICS OR WHATEVER AND SAVED US A LOT OF MONEY DOING IT. 
          THE THEY DID IT INSTEAD OF HIRING, CONTRACTING IT OUT. 
          AND I WAS JUST, I MADE A NOTE 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, IT'S STUFF LIKE THAT THAT THAT MAKES OUR STAFF AMAZING BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT UPON THEIR SELF TO DO THAT AND SAVED US A LOT OF MONEY. 
          HE SAID ABOUT $250,000. 
          SO IT'S WORTH MENTIONING SINCE Y'ALL BROUGHT IT UP, I WOULD'VE NEVER SAID THAT, BUT MARTIN AND TRAVIS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD TO LEND THEM A GUY OR TWO EVEN, UH, LAST FALL THEY INSTALLED EVERYTHING IN CROCKETT PARK. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT SAVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. 
          AND ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT THAT THIS CHANGE ORDER IS FOR, THERE WILL BE SOME WORK DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE OF THE FASTENING OF THE CONDUIT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BRIDGE WHILE THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROAD ITSELF. 
          THEN MARTIN WANTS TO COME BACK AND PULL HIS OWN FIBER BECAUSE MARTIN DOESN'T SEEM TO TRUST ANYONE TO DO BUT WHAT MARTIN DOES. 
          AND SO THAT'S A GOOD THING AS WELL. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH, JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THEM BECAUSE HE, HE EXPLAINED IT ALL TO ME, BUT IT WAS STILL LIKE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE, BUT WHATEVER THEY DID IS REMARKABLE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          WHAT WAS THE THIRD NAME YOU HAD THERE, MARTIN? AND YOU MENTIONED TWO OTHERS, RIGHT? OH, JUST MARTIN TRAVIS. 
          AND THEN WE, WE, THERE WAS DAYS THAT WE WOULD PUBLIC WORKS WOULD LEND THEM A LABORER OKAY. 
          TO HELP THEM OUT. 
          BUT KYLE BRYANT WAS ONE OF 'EM THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT KIND OF HELPED 'EM OUT A LOT FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO JUST HELP THEM ALONG. 
          SO NO, THAT'S THE SKILL SET YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE WITH MUNICIPAL WORKERS THAT WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, CONSENT ITEM SIX, UH, APPROVAL TO PURCHASE THE JOHN DEERE MINI EXCAVATOR FOR PUBLIC WORK. 
          THIS IS A, A NEW, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND WHAT REALLY WE HAVE SMALL AVERSION OF THIS AND WHAT THEY CALL THE 30 5G MINI EXCAVATOR. 
          UM, NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PICTURE. 
          YEAH, WE DID, WE DID HAVE THE PICTURE HERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE REALLY FUN TO USE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT IF YOU GIMME ABOUT FIVE ACRES AND SOME DIME, I ENJOY IT. 
          UM, BUT I'M SURE IT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT LOOKS TOO. 
          BUT, UH, WHAT WE RUN INTO IS, IS THE SIZE OF ONE THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE RUN INTO 
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A LOT OF ROCK AND OTHER SITUATIONS. 
          WE NEED A HAMMER. 
          SO IT CAUSES US TO HAVE TO GO RENT EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO HAVING A LARGE ONE IN ADDITION TO THE SMALLER ONE, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          AND WE'LL BE, IT'LL SAVE US A LOT OF TIME AS WELL. 
          SO WE'VE, UH, THEY'VE SPECIFIED THE, THE 50 P, WHICH IS A LARGER VERSION OF THE SAME THING. 
          UM, IT HAS THE ATTACHMENTS, IT HAS A HAMMER. 
          I'M NOT SURE, DALE, YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE, UH, UM, LET'S SEE THE HAMMER. 
          WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT, SO THERE'S THE SWIVEL, SO Y'ALL KNOW THAT WHEN YOU OH, THE THUMB. 
          YEAH. 
          THE FOAM. 
          SO THUMB IS WHEN WE BREAK IN, YOU GOT CONCRETE ASPHALT, YOU JUST SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO SCOOP IT IN A BUCKET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT RIGHT. 
          IT'S PUTTING A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE. 
          SO, UH, THE THUMB ALLOWS YOU TO JUST GRAB WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT AND PUT IT IN. 
          THAT'S THE THUMB RIGHT THERE, DALE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT IS THE THUMB, CORRECT? YEP. 
          THAT HYDRAULICALLY COME DOWN AND SQUEEZE WHATEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO PICK UP. 
          THAT'S AN ODD SIZE OR SHAPE. 
          UM, IT ALSO HAS THE SWIVEL. 
          SO AS WE DIG, UH, DIG DITCHES, Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE, WE TRY TO DIG, SOMETIMES WE HAVE, AS WE DIG THE BANKS, WE DIG THEM AT AN ANGLE. 
          SO YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SWIVEL AS WELL. 
          SO WITH THE THUMB, THERE'S THE SWIVEL, UH, THERE'S THE WHOLE RAM TO BREAK UP THE ASPHALT AND THE CONCRETE. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO THE DIFFERENT DIGGING BUCKETS AS WELL. 
          SO IT'LL GET USED QUITE A LOT. 
          DALE DOES, DOES THIS COME WITH TWO GOOGLY EYES SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE USING IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A DINOSAUR. 
          WHEN I PUT ON WHATEVER YOU LIKE MY GUYS, YOU'VE SEEN THAT ONLINE. 
          IT'S QUITE CUTE. 
          AND DALE, DO WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE, UH, QUALIFIED TO RUN THIS SAFELY? YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IT'S THE KEEPER. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT PROBABLY SEVEN DIFFERENT GUYS I CAN PUT ON A DITCH ANY, ANY DAY WHEN FANTASTIC. 
          SEVEN OR EIGHT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO, SO THE TRAINING THEY'VE ALREADY GOT HERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SAME MACHINE. 
          JUST A LITTLE BIGGER VERSION. 
          SO THEY'RE USED TO EVERY BIT OF THAT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          NOW THE ONES WHO, WHO OPERATE THE LARGER EXCAVATORS MAKE FUN OF THESE GUYS. 
          SMALL LITTLE . 
          YEAH. 
          OUR GUYS ARE A LITTLE ASHAMED TO BE ON THE, YOU THINK THAT ONE'S BIG, SMALL, YOU'LL SEE THE 35. 
          THEY'RE, IT IS KIND OF LIKE THE BIG GUY IN A LITTLE CAB SCENARIO. 
          SO YEAH. 
          WELL THIS, UH, THE PURCHASES, UH, FROM TRI GREEN EQUIPMENT FRANKLIN, IT'S A SOURCE, WELL PURCHASING COOPERATIVE. 
          SO IT COST US ONE OH 105,300 AND ABOUT $63. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE THESE, I'M ALWAYS SO THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET WHERE WE CAN AFFORD TO BUY THESE. 
          I KNOW SO MANY LITTLE TOWNS STRUGGLE JUST TO GET BASIC EQUIPMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE REALLY BLESSED. 
          I THINK THEY REALLY DO. 
          IN THE SMALLER TOWNS THAT DON'T HAVE IT, THEY HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS, BUT IT, IT MAKES, THEY CAN USUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, BUT IT'S SLOWER AND IT TAKES THEM LONGER. 
          AND SO TO HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT AND THE RIGHT SITUATION IS, IS A BIG HELP. 
          I WAS TELLING SOMEONE RECENTLY FROM ANOTHER STATE HOW WE IN THE PAST WE WILL DONATE LIKE A USED, UM, POLICE CAR, EVEN SOME USED FIRE EQUIPMENT I SAID, AND FOR THAT LITTLE TOWN THAT GIVES THEM A SECOND POLICE CAR, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT OUR USED ONE IS THEIR SECOND ONE. 
          SO WE REALLY ARE LUCKY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE FORTUNATE. 
          AND DALE, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED SOME ABOUT ONE ROAD WOULD TO BE THE PREFERRED EMPLOYER OF CHOICE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE DO, I HAVE TO THINK THEY, HAVING NICE EQUIPMENT MAKES IT EASIER FOR TO HIRE PEOPLE. 
          BUT DOES THAT COME UP IN THE PROCESS OR, I'M NOT LYING. 
          I LITERALLY WAS SITTING THERE THINKING WHILE AGO, BOY IF I COULD JUST SQUEEZE THAT COMET IN. 
          I SWEAR TO YOU, , I SAY THIS, YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AND YOUR FIRST TWO HOURS IS GETTING IT STARTED OR IT LEAKS MORE FLUID THAN YOU CAN PUT IN IT. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH THAT STUFF. 
          AND OUR GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY COMMENTED, HEY, I, BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM HAVE WORKED SOMEWHERE ELSE EVEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR BEFORE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, HOW NICE IT IS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY USE THE EQUIPMENT. 
          OR IT STARTS EVERY TIME YOU GO THERE. 
          NOW WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEM, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE IT IS SO VALID TO WHERE IF THE EQUIPMENT IS JUNK OR IT'S UN I MEAN, WE TRY NOT TO DO ANYTHING UNSAFE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS INDUSTRY, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT OR NOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR STUFF, THEIR PEOPLE IN STUFF THAT ARE NOT SAFE. 
          AND OUR GUYS ENJOY THE FACT THAT THEY CAN TAKE PRIDE AND THEN THEY TAKE MORE PRIDE IN IT AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT RUNS AND IT LOOKS GOOD. 
          AND SO IT, IT'S A BIG ROUND BALL THAT JUST COMES TOGETHER. 
          SO YES, THANK YOU FOR BREAKING THAT UP AND, AND, AND NOT JUST THE FACTOR OF HAVING ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT, BUT REALLY IT'S YOUR SUPPORT AND WE COMMUNICATE THAT SO THEY KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          'CAUSE EVEN CITIES THAT HAVE THE MONEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SUPPORT TO GET THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THEY NEED. 
          SO IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CONSENT ITEM SEVEN. 
          APPROVAL TO PURCHASE TRAFFIC DETECTION CAMERA SYSTEMS, GRAPHENE CAPACITORS, CHARGERS, SCHOOL CLOCK TIMERS, REPLACEMENT TRAFFIC CABINETS. 
          SO, UH, MULTIPLE TRAFFIC, UH, SIGNAL RELATED ITEMS. SO WE HAVE THREE TRAFFIC DETECTION, UH, CAMERA SYSTEMS, UH, SIX, UH, GRAPHENE CAPACITORS WITH CHARGERS, WHICH NELSON, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY. 
          THEY DO REPLACE THE EXISTING SIX BATTERY SYSTEM. 
          IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO STORE AND MORE 
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EFFICIENTLY. 
          AND THEN 25 SCHOOL CLOCK TIMERS NEED TO BE REPLACED AND ACCESSORIES IN ONE CABINET. 
          SO THE CAPACITORS, YEAH, THEY REPLACE, UH, SIX BATTERY SYSTEMS FOR TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND CAMERAS. 
          RELIABLE 10 YEAR LIFE COMPARED TO A TWO YEAR LIFE FOR BATTERIES. 
          SO EVERYTHING'S REALLY GOOD THERE. 
          SCHOOL CLOCK TIMERS ARE JUST AT END OF LIFE, SO WE NEED TO GET THOSE REPLACED. 
          THOSE CONTINUE TO WORK PROPERLY. 
          AND THEN A PLUG AND GO CABINET ASSEMBLY, UH, WITH ALL OF OUR EXISTING CABINETS. 
          AND ONE SPARE IS ALWAYS NEEDED. 
          SO, UH, THE PURCHASES FROM SOUTHERN LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC SYSTEMS, SO ONLY AUTHORIZED PROVIDER OF OF AUTO SCOPE, UH, CAMERAS FOR THE STATE OF TENNESSEE. 
          AND THAT'S THE BRAND THAT WE USE TO TRY TO HAVE CONTINUITY THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT SAID THIS IS A SOLE PROPRIETOR DISTRIBUTION SUPPORT PROVIDER. 
          SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE WAIVER OF THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR THE PURCHASE OF THIS EQUIPMENT AS A SINGLE SOURCE PROPRIETARY PURCHASE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? THIS, BUT IT DID MAKE ME THINK OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE SENATE VOTING ON DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. 
          AND I WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. 
          IF THAT DOES, WILL THAT CHANGE SOME OF OUR POLICING IN THE MORNING OR, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE DARK A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THESE LITTLE KIDS ARE OUT RIDING BIKES TO SCHOOL. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE NEW WORLD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I LOVE THE IDEA, BUT THAT I'M NOT PERSONALLY AFFECTED THE WAY A LOT OF FAMILIES WOULD BE. 
          SO I JUST THINK THAT MIGHT BE ON OUR RADAR BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WILL CERTAINLY SAY, HEY ALLALL THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW. 
          YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I I THINK IT COULD AND UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK UP AND FIND A LOT OF REASONS FOR DAYLIGHT SAVINGS, BUT ONE THAT I HAVE HEARD IS BECAUSE IT PROVIDES LIGHT IN THE MORNING FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN GETTING THEIR BUS STOP OR RIDING THEIR BIKE OR WHATEVER, WALK AT THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, AND SO YEAH, IF THAT ACTUALLY DOES CHANGE, AND IT'S FUNNY, IT'S KIND OF PROBABLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT EVERY YEAR FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IT COULD CHANGE. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO ADAPT TO. 
          SO LET'S JUST KEEP IT ON OUR RADAR. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. 
          REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE STORM FERN, AND REMEMBER WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW ALL OUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS CONTINUED TO WORK WHEN PEOPLE AROUND US DIDN'T HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND THAT WAS OLD, OLD EQUIPMENT. 
          THIS GOES ALONG WITH OUR PREVIOUS MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE DOING THINGS TO MAINTAIN AND MAKE IT EVEN BETTER FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP POWER, UH, OR IF YOU SOMETIMES REALLY OLD, OUTDATED EQUIPMENT CAN GET DAMAGED PRETTY EASILY AND NOT WORK, BUT THE BACKUP POWER IS A REALLY BIG DEAL. 
          YEAH, IT IS. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS APPROVAL FOR, UH, MICROSOFT SQL SERVER LICENSE, UH, FROM INSIGHT PUBLIC SECTOR. 
          BASICALLY THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE BY THE POLICE NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO A NEW SERVER THAT HAS REQUIRED THE LATEST VERSION OF THE MICROSOFT SQL SERVER 2025 LICENSE. 
          TOTAL COST IS $25,896 AND 30 CENTS. 
          IT'S PURCHASED USING THE STATE OF TENNESSEE ASBO VALUE POINT SOFTWARE CONTRACT. 
          PRETTY ROUTINE ITEM GENERALLY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM? OKAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS THAT WE KNOW OF OR NEW BUSINESS FOR THE UPCOMING AGENDA. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL UH, TRANSITION AND TALK AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE TEEN SPACE RENOVATION PROJECT. 
          SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LEE LEY, OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR TO INTRODUCE I WAS GONNA ASK QUESTION. 
          WHAT THE HECK? GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY. 
          I CHERYL, UM, STARTING MY SECOND TERM LIBRARY. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO JUST ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE MOVING FORWARD HERE. 
          UM, THE DISCUSSION OF THE TEAM SPACE PREDATES ME, UM, I THINK GOES BACK FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. 
          UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN OUR SPACE PLANNING MEETINGS AS WELL AS IN OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETING, UM, GOING THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE ARE VERY AWARE OF HOW CAREFUL WE NEED TO BE WITH THE WHOLE FUNDS AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE TO THIS. 
          UM, SO LEAH'S GONNA TALK AND, AND INTRODUCE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          I'M LEE , LIBRARY DIRECTOR . 
          UM, AND WHEN I STARTED WORKING HERE, ONE OF THE FIRST PRIORITIES I WAS GIVEN WAS THE WHOLE FUND RENOVATIONS WITH THE TEAM SPACE BEING HIGH ON THE LIST OF THINGS WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          SO JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH SOME STEPS OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. 
          UM, ONE OF THE FIRST DECISIONS WAS TO SWAP THE 
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TEAM SPACE AND THE QUIET READING ROOM, THE SPACE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE LIBRARY. 
          THEN WE TOOK A SURVEY OF TEAMS, UM, IN THE BRENTWOOD COMMUNITY TO USE THE LIBRARY AND THE TEAM ADVISORY BOARD TO GET INPUT FOR WHAT THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF THE SPACE WOULD BE AND THE VIBE, LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SPACE. 
          SO THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS THAT TEAMS IN BRENTWOOD USE THE LIBRARY FOR ARE STUDYING. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THERE STUDYING AND THEN ALSO ACCESSING BOOKS. 
          WE HIRED A DESIGN FIRM, UM, AND THEY WERE VERY LOVELY AND DO GREAT WORK, BUT ULTIMATELY THEIR FINAL DESIGN JUST DIDN'T QUITE ALIGN WITH WHAT THE TEAMS AND THE, UM, SUB WANTED THIS SPACE. 
          SO THE LIBRARY BOARD VOTED TO DO AN RFQ PROCESS FOR DESIGN FIRMS AND, UM, DANIEL'S CHANDLER WAS THE NEWS DECISION FROM STAFF AND THE LIBRARY BOARD, JUST ALL THE HOLDERS THAT WHAT THEY PUT FORWARD IN RQ ALIGNED WITH WHAT'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO MEREDITH ELL IS HERE AND SHE MET WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD AND STAFF SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST MONTH TO CREATE THE CONCEPT DESIGN THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY. 
          AND SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, MEREDITH, TAKE IT AWAY. 
          . 
          SO I'M MEREDITH ELL, I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH DANIEL CHANDLER. 
          JUST, OKAY, SO WE GET TO SHOW YOU SOME PRETTY PICTURES. 
          WANNA SHOW YOU JUST A COUPLE SLIDES. 
          TAKING ON THE JOURNEY, HOW, HOW DID WE GET THERE?  WAS SAYING, UH, WHEN RFU CAME OUT, WE VISITED THE LIBRARY. 
          WE'RE REALLY INSPIRED BY ALL OF THESE VERY STUDIOUS TEAMS IN THEIR SPACE. 
          UM, AND JUST THE LIBRARY ITSELF IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND WE'RE VERY INSPIRED. 
          I MEAN, THE NATURAL LIGHT, THE PARK SETTING, ALL OF THE TREES, WINDOWS, UM, THE LANTERN THEMES, THE STAINED GLASS, UH, STONED FIREPLACES, THESE ARE ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT WE KIND OF TOOK WITH US AND CAME BACK. 
          UM, AND THIS, THIS IS AGAIN JUST PART OF THE PROCESS WHEN WE SUBMITTED KIND OF WHAT WE WAS SAYING, WE SORT OF DREAM DREAMT BIG AND WE'RE JUST LIKE, WHAT? YOU KNOW, COULD THIS BE THE CHILDREN'S SPACE? HAS THAT WOW FACTOR? HOW DO WE GIVE IT THIS, THIS WAS A PLAN FROM THE OLD SPACE, BUT THIS IS KIND OF SOME OF THE VISIONING THAT WE BROUGHT INTO IT WHEN WE WERE SELECTED AND AS WE STARTED TO MEET WITH THE BOARD, WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. 
          THEY EACH HAD A PALETTE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. 
          WE HAD AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT, OLD WORLD, ACADEMIA AND WOODLAND WISDOM. 
          AND KIND OF FROM THOSE, WE WERE ABLE TO PICK AND SHOOT SOME PIECES AND WE CAME UP WITH AN ENLIGHTENED ACADEMIA, SORT OF A HYBRID THEME. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST SORT OF TO INFORM THE CONCEPT DESIGN. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST SOME MORE INSPIRATION, INSPIRATION, IMAGES, BOOKS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THAT WEATHERED OLD LIBRARY LOOK. 
          UM, AGAIN, SOME MARBLE MURALS, JUST KIND OF THE LOOK AND FEEL THAT WE WANTED TO CONVEY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE PLAN OF THE SPACE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING VERSUS THE NEW PLAN. 
          UM, WE'LL GO TO INTO DEPTH JUST TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE REALLY BIG DESIGN MOVES THAT WE MADE, WHAT WE CALL MADE A DIFFERENCE WAS, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE SPACE IS JUST RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE. 
          SO THE THOUGHT WAS TO TAKE THE ENTRY AND MOVE IT, UM, TO THE CENTER A MOMENT AND A VESTIBULE WITH SOME STUDY ROOMS. UM, AND ZONE WISE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT PUSHING THE BOOKSHELF TO THE EXTERIOR TO KIND OF OPEN UP THE SPACE, UM, AND ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW YOU KIND OF, YOU COME IN, THERE'S SOME QUIET STUDY, THERE'S SOME BOOKSHELVES KIND OF ALONG THE PERIMETER, MORE OF A STUDY LOUNGE. 
          THERE IS A FIREPLACE CURRENTLY AND OKAY. 
          WHERE THIS IS A AND THIS PLAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE IS A PROPOSED FIREPLACE, CORRECT? THERE IS, YEAH. 
          I'M JUST, YEAH, 'CAUSE I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE A FIREPLACE. 
          THERE IS, THERE'S LIKE A BUILDING AND THERE IS A FIREPLACE THING. 
          PICTURE BACK THERE. 
          WE THERE'S A PICTURE IN HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, I THAT WANDERED AROUND BACK THERE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ELSE. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE BIG ROOM IN THE FRONT. 
          THAT USED TO BE WHERE THE AUDIO VISUALS WERE. 
          THE ROOM OF THE GLASS AROUND IT. 
          OH, THERES A FIREPLACE, ISN'T THERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. 
          80 ROOM. 
          I, IF ANYBODY OH, IT'S CHANGED A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IT BECAME THE QUIET ROOM AND NOW IT'S, SO NOW THE TEAM STUFF IS IN THERE AND THEY'RE USING IT, BUT IT'S NOT RENOVATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THIS, WHICH JUST VERY BRIEFLY GOT SORT OF NEW ENTRY. 
          WE'RE REALLY MAKING THIS MOMENT, PULLING UP SOME PYLA COLUMNS, THE BLEND WITH THE REST OF THE LIBRARY SPACE TO, UH, GROUP, BUT QUIET STUDY ROOMS THAT STILL HAVE VISIBILITY IN AND OUT. 
          THIS IS MORE OF A QUIET STUDY, STUDY CARROLL 
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SMALL TABLES. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE MORE GROUP STUDY WE'RE KEEPING THAT LOUNGE FEEL. 
          THERE'S A, A DIVIDING WALL THAT ALLOWS FOR MORE SHELVING SPACE AND THEN SOME GROUP STUDY TABLES. 
          AND THEN WE ARE APPLYING KIND OF, THERE'S A LOT OF ARCHES THAT WE'RE USING THROUGHOUT THE SPACE, APPLYING THAT, UH, TO THE WINDOWS FOR ARCHED WINDOW SEATING AND SORT OF A BUILT-IN ARCH APPLICATION. 
          CAN I JUST, YOU JUST GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT HOW THE, IT'S A GREAT DESIGN, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE REAL QUIET THOUGH, IS IT? OR WE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF CAME UP OF, YOU KNOW, QUIET. 
          YEAH. 
          WE FELT THAT A LOT OF THE, THE TEAMS THAT ARE USING THE SPACE ARE VERY MATURE AND RESPECTFUL AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THESE SMALL STUDY ROOMS. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY PROGRAM IT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME DIVISION, BUT IT KIND OF GIVES THAT SORT OF LIKE, UM, COLLEGIATE LIBRARY FEEL, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP FOR THESE, THESE KIDS, THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING OFF TO COLLEGE, UM, STUDYING IN SPACES LIKE THESE. 
          OKAY. 
          THESE CAN COMPARE TO WHAT THEY HAD. 
          THIS IS REALLY QUIET. 
          IT'S REALLY QUIET BECAUSE THEY WERE THE, THE OLD TEEN ROOM WAS DOWN THE HALLWAY TOWARDS THE, UH, STUDY ROOMS. YEAH. 
          AND IT WAS OPEN. 
          AND SO THIS IS, UM, AND THERE WAS LIKE USING THE HALLWAY AND ALL THAT. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, IT'S VERY QUIET AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN SHE SHOWS THE PICTURES HOW IT'S, UH, AND LOOK, I, I THINK THE TEENS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN, THEY CAN SIT WITH TV AND RADIO AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON YOU IF YOU WALK DOWN THE HALL NOW AND JUST LOOK IN THE GLASS AND MOST OF 'EM HAVE HEADPHONES ON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FRANKLY IS THE QUIET SPACE THAT'S RELEVANT IN THE WORLD OF NOISE CANCELING HEADPHONES, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A PHOTO, YOU'RE AT THE CORNER. 
          UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT SPACE. 
          THESE ARE THE ENTRY DOORS AND ALONG THIS WALL THERE'S SOME WINDOWS WE'RE PROPOSING TAKING THOSE OUT AND WE KIND OF USING THIS EXISTING LANGUAGE. 
          WHAT TAKING THOSE WINDOWS OUT, YOU SAID? YES MA'AM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IN SOME NEW ONES THAT SORT OF GO WITH THE THING. 
          WE FOUND THAT TO MOVE THE ENTRY. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S WINDOWS ALONG THAT OTHER SIDE AS WELL THAT HAVE A SECURITY OR A, A FILM ON THEM BECAUSE THERE'S COMPUTER STATIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY WEREN'T BEING USED. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA ADD IN, I'M GONNA BE LIKE A SET OF GLASS DOUBLE DOORS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS AND WE'LL ADD INTO ARCH WINDOWS. 
          UM, BUT THAT KINDA HELPS US CREATE THIS AS A MAIN ENTRY, KIND OF PULL UP SOME OF THOSE FORMS. UH, THERE'S A MOMENT WHERE MAYBE THERE'S AN ART OR A MURAL PIECE, UM, AND SOME ADDITIONAL SHELVING THAT WILL GO IN IT. 
          I MEAN IT JUST REALLY IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE TO REALLY HAVE THIS MOMENT. 
          UM, BUT IT ALSO BLENDS WITH THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE EXISTING. 
          SO WE'RE USING THE SAME WOOD TONE NOW. 
          YOU SEE AS WE GO INSIDE, WE USE A DARKER WOOD TONE THAT OUT HERE WANTING TO USE THE SAME PAINT, SAME UM, DOOR. 
          THE DOOR THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SIDE DOOR TOO. 
          OH, THE SIDE DOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE WILL, IT'LL MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE A DOOR KIND OF RIGHT HERE TO HELP VISIBILITY THROUGH THE DESK OUT. 
          SO, SO THAT WOOD SAY MATCHES THE WOOD AND THE ELSEWHERE IN THE ROOM. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THE WOOD SHE SHELVING AND OTHER STUFF YES. 
          OUT HERE. 
          UH, THAT'S FACING THE REST OF THE LIBRARY. 
          IT WOULD MATCH PAINT AND YOU KNOW, THE BEST, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WHEN WE HAVE THESE RENDERINGS, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT THESE WOULD BE THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I GUESS IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR LEE, BUT I, I CAN SEE IN THE CURRENT YOU'VE GOT STORAGE IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS. 
          IS THAT STORAGE GONNA MISS AT ALL OR IS THAT, UH, IS THAT NOT? SHELVING HAS BEEN A VERY POPULAR TOPIC DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO WE ARE REALLY TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT OTHER STORAGE OR SHELVING. 
          THIS IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          NO, WE'RE NOT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO I SOME THAT SHELVING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME EXHIBITS AND THEN SOME, I BELIEVE IT IS, I THINK THEY WERE A TOPIC. 
          WAS IT, WAS IT A TOPIC? WAS THAT THE, THE BEACH TREES? WE HAVE BEACH RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT AND THEN I'M DEBATING WHETHER IT'S VIDEO GAMES OR HONOR BOOKS ON THE RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S VIDEO GAMES CURRENTLY. 
          THE TOPIC THINGS THAT ARE, UM, IT'S STUFF THAT THEY PUT OUT LIKE TOPIC WISE SO THAT THEY JUST CREATED THAT. 
          THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN THE CORNER, THEY CREATED THAT SPACE AND IT'S LIKE SUMMER READING, BEACH BEACH. 
          I LIKE THE ONE THAT THEY HAVE WHERE THEY HAVE CURRENT BOOKS AND THINGS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ON THE WALL. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS, THIS IS MORE, I THINK A FLEXIBLE SPACE. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, THERE ARE GONNA BE, SORRY, SHE, LIKE WE SEE THE DATA IN THE, THE OUT THERE. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SHELVING THERE. 
          SO WE COULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT BETTER RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, YEAH, THAT SHELF RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE NEW WINDOWS IN, IT CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME OF THE DEPTH OF THAT PORTAL FEELING TO ADD AND SEA SHELF. 
          [00:45:01]
SO THIS IS AGAIN, JUST SORT OF THE OTHER SIDE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE THE WINDOWS WHERE THE, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THAT FILMED COMPUTERS AND WE'RE JUST PROPOSING IN FILLING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SHELVING AND THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THERE. 
          SO THIS IS CURRENTLY THE ENTRY. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A VIEW WHERE YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE THAT 'CAUSE SORT OF BACK HERE. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING JUST PUTTING IN A SINGLE GLASS DOOR. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE REFERENCE DESK THROUGH IT. 
          BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VESTIBULE ENTRY AS YOU COME THESE TWO STUDY ROOMS AND YOU START TO, TO SEE A LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SPACE WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, WOOD LOOK FLOORING, SOME DARKER AREA RUGS. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, MARBLE USED IN THIS ARCH ENTRY, WHICH WE'VE GOT A BETTER VIEW OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY COOL ELEMENT MEREDITH, IN THAT, IN THAT PHOTO, THE DOUBLE DOORS TO THE LEFT, UH, EXISTING IMAGE. 
          MM-HMM  THAT SPACE IS ACTUALLY WHERE ONE OF THE NOOK ROOMS IS. 
          CORRECT. 
          ONE OF THE STUDY ROOMS IS. 
          SO THIS SMALLER DOOR IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT IN THAT PICTURE TO THE LEFT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT DUMP DOOR IS BACK BEHIND THIS ENTRY VESTIBULE. 
          WELL THOSE CHAIRS DON'T LOOK VERY COMFORTABLE IN THAT PICTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND A LOT OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW A, A MIX OF FURNITURE THAT KIND OF GETS THAT, THAT FEEL OF LAYERED FEEL. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE THE CHAIRS ARE VERY COMFORTABLE. 
          . 
          I WOULDN'T WANNA SIT IN THAT CHAIR VERY LONG. 
          DON'T TAKE, DON'T TAKE ANY OF THE FURNITURE FOR UH, FOR A FACT. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE WANT PLAY. 
          IT LOOKS KIND OF MIDIEVAL IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY TEENAGERS. 
          I SPENT A LOT OF TIME. 
          BUT YEAH, I LIKE THE SUPER COOL. 
          I THINK ABOUT REQUESTING A TEEN PASS FOR COMMISSIONERS SO WE CAN GO IN THERE. 
           BE REALLY COOL, QUIET DOESN'T ABOUT IT REALLY SWEET. 
          SOME OLD PEOPLE . 
          SO THIS IS KIND AS YOU'VE WALKED IN THE FRONT DOOR CURRENTLY THERE'S ALL THE SHELVING WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE PERIMETER AND THEN THERE IS A PARTIAL DIVIDING WALL. 
          ALLOWS FOR MORE BOOK STORAGE, SORT OF SEE SOME OF THE STUDY CAROLS AND THE LOUNGE SPACES IN THE WINDOWS IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          WE'RE KEEPING THE CEILING PRIMARILY THE SAME IN THAT IT WILL STILL BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          THERE'LL BE CEILING TILES. 
          WE ARE ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF WOOD COFFIN STRUCTURE. 
          UM, BUT THEN THESE WILL STILL BE CEILING TILES SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN INSTALLED IN THE CURRENT QUIET STUDY SPACE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A SHOT, LET SEE, CURRENTLY BACK HERE WE'VE GOT WINDOWS BOOKSHELVES KIND OF LOUNGE STUDY TABLE. 
          SO WE'RE KEEPING A SORT OF A SIMILAR LAYOUT WHERE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, FIREPLACE LAMP STUDY, UM, DECORATIVE WOOD FLOORING AREA RUGS AND THEN THIS UH, TREATMENT OF THE ARCHED BUILT IN WINDOW SEATING WHICH ALLOWS FOR ADDITIONAL PLACES TO SORT OF STUDY. 
          UM, AND RE THERE'S ALSO SOME BUILT-IN BOOKSHELVES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          AND JAY, HAVE Y'ALL FOUND A FLOOR MATERIAL THAT LOOKS THAT GOOD THAT CAN ALSO TAKE THE ABUSE? SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND WE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE UM, A HARDWOOD THAT'S GONNA SCRATCH EASILY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY AN LVT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE NO, THAT'S IS WE Y ALL PUT UP IN THE LOBBY? HAS THAT TURNED OUT PRETTY WELL? IT HAS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE GREAT TEXTURE AND COLOR. 
          THE THOUGHT IS WITH THE, THE AREA RUGS. 
          THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, EASIER, CAN TAKE ACCIDENTAL SKILLS. 
          UM, WE'LL ALSO PROTECT THE, THE PRIMARY ERRORS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE CHAIRS IN AND OUT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LDT WATER DAMAGE, NOT THAT THAT EVER HAPPENS. 
          , WHY WE STILL HAVE TILES ON THE ROOF SO THEY CAN ACCESS THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS SORT OF A CORNER SHOT. 
          WE'VE GOT THESE TWO WINDOWS, UM, ARCH, THE BUILT-INS AND THE FIREPLACE IS KIND OF OVER HERE TO THIS SIDE. 
          AND THAT'S SHELVING RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THIS REALLY IS PRETTY NOW THE LIGHTING, THE STUDY AREAS THAT IS BEAUTIFUL BUT IS IT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STRAINING THEIR EYES AND COMFORTABLE? YES. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH LIGHTING TO MAKE SURE, AND WE'VE DONE SEVERAL STUDIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY MADE IT TO DIFFERENT PRESENTATION OF WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THREE MONTHS WHEN IT GETS UH, DARKER SOONER. 
          UM, AND THAT LIGHTING LEVEL. 
          AND WE DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT RECESS CANS, THESE DECORATIVE FIXTURES, THERE'S WALL RESPONSES AND THEN ALSO PROPOSING A SOME LITTLE TABLE STUDY LAMP. 
          SO WE THINK THERE'LL BE A VARIETY OF LIGHTING TO MAKE SURE THAT LEVELS WILL BE APPROPRIATE. 
          IT IS NOT GRAY AND I LOVE THAT . 
          [00:50:02]
NOW THIS IS, IF YOU WERE IN THE BACK OF THE SPACE CURRENTLY LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE MAIN AREA, GOT WINDOWS YOU CAN SEE LOUNGE SPACES ARE DIVIDING BUILT-IN BOOKSHELF WALLS, STAINED GLASS ELEMENTS THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOTEL LOBBY ON THE TOP. 
          AND THIS LOOKS LIKE A WONDERFUL WELCOMING RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING WHERE THE PARK PLACE IS FOR YES. 
          FIRE IS OVER HERE. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME, I'VE GOT SOME BIGGER IMAGES AT THE END. 
          YEAH, IT IS THE WHITE ON THE TOP. 
          OH SORRY. 
          IT'S LIKE IT IS GLOOMY BUT WELL I DO LIKE THE NITPICK. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THE TOP IS BRIGHTER. 
          THAT LOOKS SO GLOOMY. 
          AS YOU LOOK DOWN THAT HALL TO ME AND I MEAN AM I THE ONLY ONE SEEING IT? THAT ONE? LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, THEY'RE BRIGHTER. 
          I THINK THEY'RE BRIGHTER. 
          THAT'S A BIG SCREEN IF IT'S NOT RIGHT UP THERE. 
          WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THESE PICTURES MAKE IT LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT TO ME. 
          I SOMETHING THAT WE DID DISCUSS A LOT, WE, WE KNOW THAT POLITE NEED TO BE APPROPRIATE AND YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST TO CONVEY THAT WE'RE WORKING IN COMPUTERS AND SHOWING THESE RENDERINGS AND TRYING TO MODEL THINGS. 
          UM, SORRY, I'M JUST SAYING AS YOU WALK IN AND LOOK, I, I SEE A LOT MORE LIGHT THAN DOWN HERE. 
          OH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A CHANGE. 
          BUT TODAY THE COMPUTER WITH PEOPLE ON THEIR COMPUTERS MORE THAN, I MEAN WHEN YOU, WHEN I GO TO THE IT DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S HERE IN THE, IT, IT'S VERY DARK IN THERE AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE ON THE COMPUTERS, THEY, I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT ME, BUT WALK DOWN THERE. 
          'CAUSE I'VE SAID BEFORE I'M LIKE, IT'S SO DARK IN HERE AND THEY SAID THAT IT WITH THEIR BODY PURE. 
          YEAH IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR COMPUTER. 
          SO MAYBE STUDYING MORE, WELL EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. 
          SOMETHING THAT MAYBE I CAN SAY THAT WOULD HELP IS THAT, UM, TWO THINGS LIKE THE LOOK, VIBE, FEEL OF THIS IS BASED DIRECTLY ON WHAT THE TEAM SAID THEY WANTED FOR THE SPACE. 
          SO IT'S RIGHT, THAT'S QUESTIONS WHAT THEY DESCRIBED THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND THEN WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THE DETAILS OF THINGS LIKE FURNITURE AND LIGHTING. 
          THIS IS THE CONCEPT DESIGN PHASE. 
          SO THIS IS A MULTI-PHASE PROCESS. 
          WE'RE JUST PRESENTING THIS INITIAL PHASE TO YOU. 
          BUT THINGS LIKE LIGHTING NOT FINALIZED, WE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE TEAMS CAN READ BECAUSE STUDYING IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF THE SPACE. 
          AND LEE, ONE THING YOU, I KNOW THE DESIGNERS PROBABLY ALREADY THOUGHT OF THIS, YOU CAN HAVE LIGHTING WHERE IT PROVIDES MORE THAN ENOUGH LIGHT, BUT IT CAN BE ADJUSTABLE AND FADED AND POTEN POTENTIALLY FADED IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS SO THAT IF YOU WANT ONE SECTION A LITTLE BIT DARKER 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY PREFER AND ANOTHER A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER FOR WHATEVER THE REASON YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT AT ALL FOR THEM TO DO. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, AND THAT IS VERY COMMON THAT WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT LIGHTING ZONES SO THAT YOU COULD ADJUST. 
          IT COULD BE LIGHTER OVER HERE, DARKER OVER THERE AND MULTIPLE LIKE LAYERS OF LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, YOUR RECESSED AND CEILING, YOUR DECORATIVE, YOUR WALL, AND EVEN YOUR TASK LIGHTING CAN ALL BE SUPER ADJUSTABLE. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME BIGGER SHOTS. 
          UM, JUST THE MAIN ENTRY. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE THOSE BUILT IN SHELVES, THE ARCH WINDOWS POTENTIAL FOR, UH, A MURAL OR MOMENTS, THE MAIN PIECE STOREFRONT KIND OF THING. 
          IT'S REALLY COOL. 
          AND THIS IS THE MOMENT YOU STEP INTO THE VESTIBULE. 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING, AND AGAIN, NONE OF THE FINISHES ARE NAILED DOWN, BUT WE, WE HAVE THIS BALL COVERING THAT'S SORT OF LIKE A, A STARRY SKY THAT REALLY CAPTURED EVERYONE AND UM, IT JUST ENDED UP PUTTING IT ON THIS ARCH CEILING HERE AND JUST HAD THIS REALLY LIKE, KIND OF NICE WHERE YOU GO INTO THE STUDY SPACE AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ROOM FOR DISPLAY POSTINGS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO IS THAT A POWERED SEAL WITH LITTLE LEDS OR IS THAT JUST WHAT NO, THIS IS THE, THE $500,000 LESS, UH, . 
          YEAH. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN ONE IN AN EARLIER PLAN THAT WAS A CEILING. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT I THINK WE HAVE JUST CHECKING. 
          YEAH, NO, GO AWAY. 
           COMMISSIONERS, THIS FEATURE HERE PLAYS OFF OF THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY WHERE YOU WALK IN A SPECIAL ENTRANCE, YOU HAVE A TUNNEL FEEL, AND THEN YOU ENTER INTO SOMEPLACE SPECIAL IS IS GONNA BE LABELED TEEN ROOM. 
          'CAUSE I'M THINKING SOME ADULTS OF THE LIFE. 
          YES, THERE IS NO LAUNDRY ROOM, BUT ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE SIGNAGE. 
          YES. 
          TEENS AND SENIORS. 
          BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE BEST HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          , YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWIPE YOUR ID CARD. 
          AND IF YOU'RE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU TO BOTH DO A LITTLE LEAGUE DEAL RIGHT. 
          OVER 
          [00:55:01]
UNDER . 
          UH, THIS IS JUST A VIEW, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HISTORIC BECAUSE THESE LITTLE GROUP STUDY ROOMS ARE ON THE SMALLER SIDE. 
          UM, PROBABLY UNDER 10 BY 10 YOU CAN SORT OF SEE WE'VE GOT AN ARCHED GLASS SLIDING POCKET DOOR. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT MAINTAINS VISIBILITY BETWEEN, UH, THE OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY AND THE INSIDE OF THE NEW SPACE. 
          BUT CREATES, UH, A PLACE FOR SMALLER GROUPS TO STUDY AND NOT TO START THE REST OF THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, THIS IS SORT OF ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE SHOT. 
          WE'VE GOT FIREPLACE, UM, ARCHED WINDOWS BACK HERE, OUR LOUNGE AREA, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF LIKE SOFT SEATING BUILT IN BOOKS. 
          THEN YOU CAN SEE SORT OF OUR COFFER DECORATIVE CEILING. 
          ANOTHER SHOT, ANOTHER VIEW. 
          YOU CAN SEE STUDY CAROLS BACK HERE. 
          THOSE ARE THOSE ARCH STUDY GROUP, UM, DOORS, PARKING LOT. 
          AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK FORWARD TO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          WE'RE SHOWING A WALL MURAL, UH, OF A LANDSCAPE THROUGH THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE BUILT IN SHELVING STUDY CAROLS. 
          WE'VE GOT THESE LITTLE NICHES ONE'S FOR COMPUTER STATION AND THE OTHER IS JUST A LITTLE STUDY NOOK, BUILTIN SHELFING. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE OUT TO THE REST OF THE LIBRARY THROUGH THE BEST YOU BUILD. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK ASIDE THE FIREPLACE? WHO, WHO OR HOW ARE WE CONTROLLING THAT? I BELIEVE WE TALKED, THERE'S SOME OTHER FIREPLACES IN THE LIBRARY, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW Y'ALL OPERATE THOSE, BUT THEY ARE MORE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ELECTRIC. 
          UM, AND STAFF TURN 'EM ON AND OFF. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, WE HAVE TWO OTHER FIREPLACES AND THEY'RE ELECTRIC AND STAFF TURN 'EM ON AND OFF. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ELECTRIC. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WON'T BE A REAL FIRE. 
           NO SQUARE FEET ARE IN THIS SPACE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 1800 SQUARE FEET SQUARE. 
          HOW LONG WILL THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT TAKE? YOU KNOW, IT, IT'LL KIND OF DEPEND. 
          IT. 
          WE'VE REALLY GOT A WHOLE LOT OF DEMO. 
          UM, WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN TALKS WITH THE CONTRACTOR JUST TO GET A FEEL VALIDATE WHAT WE THINK COST AND TIMELINE AND WHERE HAVE THE TEENS BEEN MOVED, JANET? SO THEY ARE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, IF YOU'RE THE CIRCULATION DESK, THE ROOM TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S GOT THE GLASS WALLS, THAT'S WHERE THE TEENS ARE NOT SITTING. 
          THEY'LL STAY THERE UNTIL, UNTIL THIS IS WELL THIS IS THAT SPACE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO RIGHT. 
          BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, THAT'S WHAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW. 
          PLANTED. 
          WE WILL, UM, MOVE THE COLLECTION INTO THE MEETING ROOMS MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH THE CHILDREN'S COLLECTION WHEN WE WERE REPLACING THE CARPET. 
          AND THEN TEAMS WILL, THEY'LL FIND THEIR SPACES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LIBRARY WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          YES. 
          THEY GONNA BE WITHOUT A REAL SPOT FOR A WHILE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, DON'T MAKE, DO THEY ALWAYS DO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. 
          PUT THAT ONE BACK ON. 
          I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT SILLY. 
          SO THAT'S THE NEW QUIET ROOM. 
          SO ANYBODY THAT WENT TO, UH, CAPTAIN THE, THE MS. GRAHAM'S, UH, RETIREMENT TYPE PARTY, THE, UH, OTHER WEEK, THAT'S THE CEILING OF THE ROOM THAT YOU WERE IN. 
          THAT'S THE NEW QUIET ROOM. 
          AND SO THE CEILING IN THE TEEN SPACE IS THE SAME MATERIAL. 
          UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A PLASTIC COMPOSITE KIND OF THING. 
          IT'S NOT A REAL WOOD OR ANYTHING. 
          AND IT HAS, WHICH SAY BRONZE TAKE SORT OF A BRONZE COLOR, UH, TO IT. 
          SO THE PANELS ARE 24 BY 24, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THE, SO THAT WAY, UH, MAINTENANCE AND, AND YOU KNOW, UH, THE WATER LINES AND ALL THAT ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE WITH THOSE TILES. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE A COFFERED, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S NOT PRETTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'LL HAVE MORE, IT'LL HAVE WOOD CROSS, UH, THAN THE QUIET ROOM DOES, WHICH IS JUST ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL FLAT. 
          BUT IT'LL HAVE SOME DEPTH WITH THOSE WOOD BEAMS, BUT IT'S NOT A WOOD CEILING ROOM. 
          WELL, THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE TEEN ROOM AREA NOW, UH, SECOND BECOMES SURPLUS. 
          ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO STORE IT SOMEWHERE? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH ALL THAT? RIGHT. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, IT WILL BE SURPLUS MOSTLY. 
          IF THERE'S SOME OF IT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REPURPOSE, THAT WILL BE DONE, UM, AS THE FIRST OPTION. 
          BUT IF NOT, IT WILL BE SURPLUS. 
          I BOUGHT EIGHT LITTLE CHILDREN'S CHAIRS AT SURPLUS ONCE AT THE LIBRARY SALE, $2. 
          THESE, I MEAN, CAN'T HALF. 
          THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. 
          ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE LITTLE, THE STUDY ROOMS THAT ARE, UM, WITH THE POCKET DOORS. 
          SO WILL THEY HAVE, UM, VISIBILITY TO THE LIBRARY? ARE THERE WINDOWS OR YES. 
          DO YOU SEE THESE? OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT INTO THE STUDY ROOMS? 
          [01:00:01]
AND WE'VE, BECAUSE WE WERE TAKING OUT, PUTTING WINDOWS BEHIND, SO THERE IS MORE VISIBILITY THERE. 
          POCKET DOORS CLOSED. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THERE WILL ALSO BE CAMERAS IN SPACE MONITORING. 
          THAT WAS BIG CONSIDERATION. 
          LIKE HOW DO YOU GIVE THEM PRIVACY WITHOUT TOTAL PRIVACY? RIGHT. 
          SOME PRIVACY, BUT NOT TAKE PRIVACY . 
          SO, SO WITH WITH THE WHOLE LOOK, IT IS VERY, VERY TRADITIONAL IN SOME SENSES. 
          UM, SO IS, IS THIS DESIGNED TO APPEAL TO US FOR WHAT WE THINK TEENS LIKE, OR IS THIS WHAT TEENS CURRENTLY, LIKE RIGHT NOW, AND I KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT'S KIND OF HARRY POTTER ESQUE AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME, SOME VERY HARRY POTTER IMAGERY THAT'S PERMITTED THE LIBRARY AND SOME DIFFERENT STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS. 
          IS THAT AGING PRETTY GRACEFULLY? AND IS THIS GONNA HAVE A PRETTY, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE REASON TO THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE A PRETTY GOOD APPEAL FOR THE INTENDED AUDIENCE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT APPEALS MORE TO WHAT WE THINK THE TEENS WANT? WE DISCUSS THAT A LOT, ESPECIALLY AMONGST STAFF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, DESIGN IS A LOT OF ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO PUT ASIDE PERSONAL PREFERENCE WHILE STILL MAINTAINING GOOD TASTE, BUT REALLY BASE IT ON WHAT THE TEEN ADVISORY BOARD, THEY HAD AN INPUT SESSION WHERE THEY PULLED PHOTOS AND THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. 
          AND THAT WAS SUPPLIED TO DANIEL CHANDLER. 
          AND SO THAT IS THE FOUNDATION FOR HOW WE CREATED LIKE A THEME OR A VIBE. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO THE TEAM ADVISORS REPORT HAS BEEN PRETTY UPFRONT INVOLVED FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY, THEY WERE THE INITIAL INPUT FOR ALL THIS. 
          AND OF COURSE WE'RE TRYING TO THINK IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT WILL AGE WELL. 
          AND SO WE DO WANNA BRING IN WINS AND SOME FUN, BUT THOSE TO BE MORE, UH, PIECES THAT ARE INTERCHANGEABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LAYOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR ART DISPLAY, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED OUT AND THEN THE REST OF THE DESIGN IS MORE TIMELESS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S, I MEAN, ALL FEEDBACK THAT THEY GOT FROM TEAMS. THERE HAD BEEN IN THE FIRST, WITH THE FIRST DESIGN PHASE, UM, SOME MORE MODERN DESIGNS, SOME THAT WERE A LOT OF COLOR, SOME THAT WERE MORE KINDA LIKE THE URBAN CONTEMPORARY KIND OF WHATEVER. 
          UM, AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY PREFER JUST A MORE OF A WOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          CLASSIC FEELING GOOD THIS AGE IS BETTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRENDY THIS TIME. 
          AND I THINK THE ABILITY OF BRING THE LIBRARY, EXISTING LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, TO THE FRONT INSTEAD OF MAKING IT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UM, IS REALLY GONNA HELP IT BLEND. 
          I ALSO THINK IF THEY, WE ARE, I MEAN THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO TO COLLEGE AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VERY COLLEGE FEEL OF A LOT OF DESIGNERS. 
          SO IT MIGHT HELP THAT TRANSITION. 
          MAYBE  OVERWHELMING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE ATWOOD TEAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY COMMUNITY IS UNIQUE AND SPECIFIC AND THE TEAMS AT THE GLENWOOD LIBRARY REALLY ARE STUDIOUS. 
          IT'S, IT'S SO IMPRESSIVE. 
          I MEAN, THEY ARE IN THERE AND THEY ARE STUDYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMING TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES SOMETIMES FOR PROGRAMMING. 
          THEY WANNA DO GAMES AND THAT TYPE OF INTERACTION, BUT THEY REALLY USE IT AS A STEADY SPACE FOR, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THOSE COLLEGES. 
          THEY'RE REALLY GOOD. 
          THAT'S NICE. 
          YEAH, IT'S VERY NICE. 
          THAT'S REALLY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB. 
          IMPRESSIVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE YOU HAPPEN. 
          SO APPRECIATE YOUR TRUST . 
          RIGHT. 
          THE BOARD HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS AS WELL. 
          AND SO FOR THIS PHASE, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CONCEPT THAT WE HAD YOUR, YOUR GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THEN WE'LL START WORKING ON FUTURE PHASES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE LIKE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, FINALIZING, UM, SOME OF THE FEATURES AND THEN MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION. 
          ISN'T THIS THE ONE THAT Y'ALL THOUGHT YOU HAD A PLAN? THEN YOU REVISITED AND YOU REVISIT IT. 
          SAY, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY, WELL, WE SPENT OUT TIME, LET'S JUST CALL IT QUIT. 
          YOU WENT BACK UNTIL YOU GOT EXACTLY HOW YOU WANTED IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          WE DID NOT FALL FOR THE SUNK COST FALLACY. 
          WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITH IT. 
          . 
          WELL DONE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE'LL HAVE A, UH, AN ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA OR A FULL DESIGN CONTRACT WITH DANIELS CHANDLER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS PRETTY, THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS 
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THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS TO TALK ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER BOARD APPOINTMENTS. 
          AND SO I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK JUST, UH, OVERVIEW SUMMARY OF WHAT WE KNOW. 
          AND, AND THIS IS AN ITEM THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. 
          SO THEN I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          BUT, UH, WE DID MEET ON THIS AND I SENT YOU THE SUMMARY OF, UH, THE CONVERSATION AND IT WAS, UH, EARLY, IT WAS IN MAY OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND SO AT THAT POINT, AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS JUST A STARTING PLACE FOR YOUR CONVERSATION, BUT, UH, TO HAVE ONE CITIZEN APPOINTMENT PER BOARD, EXCLUDING AD HOC APPOINTMENTS AT YOUR DISCRETION TO REQUIRE A CITIZEN BOARD MEMBER ELECTED FOR THE COMMISSION TO IMMEDIATELY STEP DOWN FROM THE VOLUNTEER BOARD. 
          I'D ALSO THROW IN, YOU COULD EITHER DO THAT OR YOU COULD DO IT AS A FORFEITURE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU, THEY DO THAT. 
          IF THEY DO THAT, THAT BASED ON SWEARING IN OR WHATEVER THEY FOREFOOT AND THEREFORE YOU DON'T HAVE TO EVEN DO ANYTHING. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS WAS, UNLESS THE RESIGNATION DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF THE BOARD TO FUNCTION, SO LET'S SAY THEY TOOK 'EM DOWN AND THEY COULDN'T MEET THEN THAT YOU'D WANNA LEAVE OPEN, I SUPPOSE. 
          UH, AND THEN, AND THEN WE DIDN'T GET INTO TOO MUCH BOARD LIAISONS, SPOUSAL APPOINT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS NO CHANGE. 
          NO CHANGE. 
          YOU STILL MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS AN EMPHASIS THAT YOU'D LIKE THE, THE VOLUNTEER BOARD RULES TO BE CODIFIED SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON MEMORIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE NOTES. 
          AND THEN KRISTEN FOLLOWED UP WITH THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION 90 DASH 17. 
          SO SHE WENT REAL FAR BACK TO THE ARCHIVES THERE. 
          , THAT'S JUST LIKE 10 YEARS AGO, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          FOR SOME, AND, UH, ANYWAY, AND, AND THAT IT WAS REALLY MORE JUST PURE PROCEDURE ON THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS, UH, WITH A LITTLE UPDATE NEEDED, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO ANY OF YOUR CONTEXTUAL QUESTIONS. 
          BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE. 
          SO YOU KNOW THAT, UM, THAT'S REALLY IT ON THE UPDATE SIDE. 
          SO WITH THAT, AND I'M GONNA SEND, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND LET YOU START US OFF AND PERHAPS, WELL, A LOT OF THINGS, UM, THEY CAME UP AND WE DISCUSSED THEM AT LAKE AT OUR INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND AGREED ON CERTAIN THINGS. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE BEING WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE. 
          AND I DON'T RECALL EVER HAVING AN OFFICIAL VOTE, BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT THAT WE OPERATED ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS WAS THE CUSTOM AND EVERY BOARD APPOINTMENT AFTER THAT WAS LOOKED AT WITH THOSE IN MIND. 
          AND I GAVE YOU INSTANCES OF WHAT PROMPTED IT. 
          NOPE. 
          WE DIDN'T SIT AROUND AND THINK, WELL, HOW CAN WE CHANGE BOARD APPOINTMENTS? INCIDENTS PROMPTED, WE THOUGHT, OH, WE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, KINDA LIKE A SURPRISE ARBORETUM, YOU KNOW, UH, INCIDENTS PROMPT YOU TO DO THINGS SOMETIMES. 
          SO THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT. 
          AND Y'ALL MAY LIKE THEM OR NOT. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT 'EM AND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 'EM PUT FOR A VOTE AT SOME POINT IN A CODE OF SOME KIND. 
          SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT EACH OF THE YEAH. 
          UH, EACH OF THEM SEPARATELY AND UH, AND IS THIS THE, IS THIS THE VENUE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I SUSPECT THAT A GOOD ATTORNEY COULD WORD 'EM A LITTLE BETTER. 
          , I DID IT YESTERDAY, BUT YOU GET THE DRIFT. 
          THAT WILL I DO, I DO. 
          I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND JUST UPDATE OR DOING AWAY WITH THIS POLICY AND PUTTING WHAT YOU WANT IN A POLICY DOCUMENT VERSUS TRYING TO PUT IT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT IN THE CODE. 
          I THINK A POLICY IS THE BETTER PLACE TO DO IT. 
          WELL WHERE WOULD THAT APPEAR IN OUR DOCUMENTS FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS TO SAY, OH, I NEED TO LOOK THIS UP IN THE LIST OF ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS AND WE COULD PUT IT IN THE, IN THE TWO, THE YOUR NEW COMMISSIONER DOCUMENT BOOK. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND WE CAN PUT THESE THINGS ON, ON THE APPLICATION TOO. 
          WE CAN MAKE NOTES OF IT. 
          AND I THINK I MENTIONED, OH, THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THINK I MENTIONED THAT THAT'S HOW THE SPOUSAL THING WAS DONE. 
          IT WAS ADDED AS A HEADER TO THE APPLICATION IN 2012. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THAT WAS HANDLED. 
          BUT NOTHING WAS EVER THAT, THAT I COULD FIND. 
          AND IT, HOLLY LOOKED THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP TO YOU THAT WE COULD FIND ANYTHING HAD BEEN WRITTEN. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOW WHAT, A THIRD IS THAT RIGHT? 36-YEAR-OLD, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          36-YEAR-OLD POLICY. 
          OH. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO UPDATE IT NO MATTER WHAT. 
          THIS IS OUTDATED. 
          IT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOK. 
          SO I THINK PUTTING THESE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DISCUSS IN THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          GIVEN YOUR AGE. 
          YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THIS POLICY,  FOURTH GRADE IN CASE YOU . 
          SO I WISH, I REALLY APPRECIATE A COMMENT AS FAR AS POLICY VERSUS CODE AND JUST BEING A KIND OF A SMALL GOVERNMENT GUY BY DISPOSITION, BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT, LIKE IN AT THE, THE DEALERSHIP, THIS COMES UP A LOT WHERE IN BUSINESS, THERE ARE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL ASK ME FOR A, HEY, JUST GIMME THE RULE. 
          YES OR NO, RIGHT OR 
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WRONG. 
          BUT, AND FRANKLY, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED JUDGMENT. 
          SO I I, I CAN'T LAY OUT THIS HUGE YES OR NO RULE BOOK FOR ALL MY TEAM MEMBERS TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO THINK ANYMORE BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING FITS NICELY IN THE RULE-BASED FRAMEWORK. 
          AND THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE, I MEAN, I MEAN LIKE WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ON MULTIPLE BOARDS, RIGHT? BUT AS A PRACTICE, WE INTENTIONALLY HAVE PEOPLE ON MULTIPLE BOARDS TO BE BOARD REPRESENTATIVES FOR COMMUNICATION AND FOR COORDINATION. 
          SO THAT'S, WELL THAT'S IN THERE. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED, WELL, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHAT WE SAY, LIKE WE CAN'T APPOINT SOMEBODY. 
          WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANNA APPOINT A CITIZEN TO TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS AND THEY, WE LEAVE ANOTHER YEAH. 
          BUT OUR TREE BOARD CHAIR RIGHT NOW IS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          THAT'S ENTIRELY INTENTIONAL. 
          'CAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE TREE BOARD AND I THINK THE PARK BOARD AND THE, THE TREE BOARD HAS A MEMBER ON, OR THE PARK BOARD HAS A MEMBER ON THE TREE BOARD. 
          I MEAN WE DO, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE INTENTIONALLY ON MULTIPLE BOARDS FOR COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THE BOARDS. 
          AND ONE THING I DIDN'T PUT IN THERE THAT WE BRIEFLY MENTIONED ONE TIME A YEAR OR SO AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND I DON'T CARE BECAUSE THIS WON'T AFFECT ME BECAUSE I WILL BE GONE. 
          THIS IS WHY I WAITED TO BRING IT UP. 
          NOW CURRENTLY THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE HISTORIC BOARD CHAIRMAN, I MEAN COMMISSIONER, AND THERE WAS TALK OVER THE YEARS. 
          WELL MAYBE THAT OUGHT OUGHT BE LIKE ALL THE OTHER BOARD APPOINTMENTS, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS CHOOSING IT. 
          AND AS I SAY, I'M GONE, SO I DON'T CARE AFTER THIS. 
          BUT Y'ALL, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME PROBABLY TO BRING IT UP. 
          IF NOT, LET A SLEEPING DOG LIE. 
          AND I'M NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PART OF IT BECAUSE I WON'T BE HERE. 
          AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SITTING THE CITY COMMISSION? THE MAYOR ALWAYS APPOINTED HIM AND UM, IT WORKED BECAUSE I ALWAYS GOT JUSTICE WORK IN EYES. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKED FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE CITY COMMISSIONER SELECT ELECT THAT PERSON AND IT WOULD BE UP TO Y'ALL TO, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          WELL, AND YOU KNOW, WHY THE HISTORIC BOARD WAS CARVED OUT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PARK BOARD OR THE TREE BOARD OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD? WELL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN IT WAS STARTED, OUR DOCUMENTS IN OUR HISTORIC NOTEBOOK THAT WE PASSED OUT, UM, IT WAS THAT WAY. 
          THE MAYOR DID IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS LIKE ONLY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN VANCE LITTLE AND A PLANNING COMMISSIONER. 
          AND IT WAS, AND THEY HAD A LOT POWER. 
          AND THAT WAS RESCINDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEY COULD REALLY, REALLY MAKE SOME DECISIONS THAT COULD BE, UM, DETRIMENTAL TO THE CITY AT THAT TIME. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD NOT PUT THEIR HOMES ON THE HISTORIC LIST BECAUSE THE, THE HISTORIC BOARD STARTED OUT WITH SO MUCH POWER, THEY WERE AFRAID OF BECOMING A HISTORIC HOME. 
          I'VE BEEN TOLD ALL THIS. 
          I WASN'T THERE FOR IT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT CONTEXT 'CAUSE YEAH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE LIBRARY BOARD, WHICH IS REGULATED BY THE STATE HAS DIFFERENT RULES. 
          BUT I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHY THE OTHER ONES DID. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A GREAT BOARD AND IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SUCH A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY. 
          I'M POINTED MYSELF TWICE WHEN I WAS HIRED HERE TWICE . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T MESS WITH A SUCCESSFUL FORMULA, BUT, BUT CONTINUE ON. 
          BUT ALSO, LIKE YOU SAY, NOT END UP WITH SOME SORT OF HISTORICAL BOARD THAT ENDS UP TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH POWER OR A DIFFERENT FOCUS OR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW. 
          SO LIKE, LIKE I GUESS LIKE WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD RIGHT NOW, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF THINGS DID THEY CHANGE, I GUESS FROM THE EARLY HISTORIC BOARD THAT YOU SAID WAS VERY, VERY INFLUENTIAL TO THE, THE CURRENT HISTORIC BOARD THAT'S VERY INFLUENTIAL BUT CAN'T BE DETRIMENTAL OR ISN'T DETRIMENTAL? I MEAN, IS IT JUST THE WAY THEY RUN OR DID THEY CHANGE SOME SCOPE OF THE, THE AUTHORITY OF THE HISTORIC BOARD? THE SCOPE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE EARLY ONE HAD A LOT MORE POWER. 
          OH NO, NO, WE DON'T. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          IT HAS THE POWER IT NEEDS. 
          IT CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY, BUT THAT'S THE END OF IT THAT YOU DON'T NEED THAT GROUP, WHICH CHANGES MEMBERSHIP. 
          SO OFTEN WHEN PEOPLE MOVE ON, HAVING THE POWER TO STOP A PLAN A, A, A PLANNING COMMISSION PLAN. 
          I MEAN THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF 
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POWER GIVEN TO THEM. 
          AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY EVEN GOT BY WITH IT, HAVING THAT AS PART OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          BUT THE CITY WAS NEW AND YOUNG, YOU KNOW, AND SO THANKFULLY IT WAS STRAIGHTENED OUT. 
          NO, WE'RE FINE WITH THE POWER WE'VE GOT NOW. 
          WE SURE WOULDN'T WANT, OR AT LEAST THE CURRENT BOARD IS, I WON'T SAY A FUTURE BOARD, IT'S ADVISORY TODAY. 
          BUT IT DIDN'T USED TO BE AT THAT TIME. 
          NO, IT WAS NOT. 
          IT WAS. 
          SO REALLY ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST CONSIDER HAVING THE, THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONER ON THE PLANNING OR ON THE HISTORIC BOARD APPOINTED THE SAME WAY I'M SAYING Y'ALL, IF YOU WANNA DO IT, PROBABLY THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THESE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF NOT, THEN IT'S FINE. 
          I, I THINK EITHER WAY IS FINE. 
          BUT I THINK JUST FOR CONSISTENCY, IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT LIKE THE OTHERS, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT HURTS. 
          I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I'M THE MAYOR. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT POINTED YOU DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OTHER ONE QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN, HI ALLISON, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE, OUR LAWYER I WILL SAY, SO THAT IS SET FORTH IN THE CODE AND PROBABLY WHAT COMMISSIONER DUNN IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          MY GUESS IS AT SOME POINT, MR. JENNINGS, UM, WHEN HE CAME ALONG, HE WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE ROGER. 
          SO TWO CITY ATTORNEYS AGO, MY GUESS IS THAT HE REALIZED, UH, OR WANTED TO MAKE, MATCH THE AUTHORITY THAT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAVE NOT BE THE SAME THAT'S ALLOWED TO HISTORIC COMMISSIONS CREATED UNDER STATE LAW. 
          'CAUSE WE ARE NOT THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT YOU HAVE CERTAIN THINGS COMMISSIONER DUNN COULD PROBABLY TALK TO US ALL, ALL ABOUT IT. 
          I COULD TOO. 
          IT'S BORING . 
          BUT THE POINT IS THAT OUR CODE THAT SETS FORTH THE CREATION OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION DOES SAY THAT THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS REPRESENTATIVE IS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          THE OTHER BOARDS SAY AS APPOINTED FROM AMONGST THEMSELVES ARE SOME, SOME SIMILAR LANGUAGE TO THAT. 
          SO COMMISSIONER DUNN'S SUGGESTION IS JUST TO MAKE THAT MATCH THE WAY THAT IN THE PAST, AT LEAST HANDFUL OF YEARS, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AFTER THE ELECTION, THERE'S USUALLY A PRETTY COLLEGIAL DISCUSSION OF WHO'S GONNA GO FOR WHAT BOARD, UH, REPRESENTATIVE. 
          BUT AS WE KNOW, THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN. 
          SO I THINK THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER DUNN IS MAKING IS JUST TO TRY TO MAKE IT MATCH IN CASE THERE'S SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE THOSE MAYBE COLLEGIAL DISCUSSIONS DON'T HAPPEN THE WAY THAT THEY'VE HAD HAPPEN IN THE PAST. 
          SO IS THIS ABOUT SEVERAL THIS THE APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER OF THIS BODY TO THE YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS A CODE CHANGE. 
          THAT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. 
          BUT OTHER THINGS WE'RE DISCUSS, WE'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD BE IN THE POLICY. 
          SO DONE BY RESOLUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CHANGE, CHANGE THE WORDING TO FROM AMONG THEMSELVES OTHER THAN APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          I WOULD MAKE IT SOUND BETTER THAN THAT. 
          BUT YES. 
          RIGHT NOW ISN'T THE, UM, OTHER THAN THAT THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE ONLY MAYOR'S TO DIRECT APPOINTMENT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND WE NEED TO KEEP THAT. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S STATE LAW. 
          SO YOU CAN EXACTLY, YOU CAN CHANGE THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A STATE LAW. 
          AND OF COURSE AGAIN, THE, THE CUSTOM OF THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A WEAK MAYOR, NO OFFENSE, , I'M, BECAUSE WE HAVE A WEAK MAYOR, THE COMMISSION HAS DONE THE SPREADSHEET, YOU KNOW, SCENARIO. 
          IT JUST WORKS OUT WELL. 
          JUST MAKES THE, BY DOING IT THAT WAY, PEOPLE SAY, WELL WHY, WHY IS THAT MORE PERSON SELECTED DIFFERENT THAN THE REST? RIGHT. 
          ARE WE MORE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, , BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUSTIFIED MY, I WONDER IF IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BOARDS CREATED. 
          IT MIGHT AND THEN THE OTHERS MAYBE WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, IT WAS LIKE, OH, IT SHOULD BE AMONG YOU WORD. 
          WELL, WAS FIRST CHAIRMAN I THINK. 
          SO IT VERY WELL CAN BE THAT AGAIN, THAT'S PURE GAS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED REALLY DID NEED SOMETHING TO JUMPSTART IT AND ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          TO, TO DRIVE THE POINT HOME AND IT, IT DID WORK. 
          SO, AND WE DID HAVE A SMALLER BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME. 
          THAT WAS, I DON'T, HOW DID THE PARK BOARD AND ALL GET CHOSEN WHEN THE CITY FIRST STARTED? I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          I COULD GO BACK. 
          I'VE LOOKED BEFORE, BUT THEY WERE, UM, SET FOR, I GUESS JUST BY THE BOARD. 
          AND THEN THE TERMS WERE STAGGERED. 
          I KNOW THAT TO WHERE THAT THEY ENDED UP. 
          SO LIKE THE FIRST PEOPLE WERE SET THAT THEIR TERMS WOULD END, NOT NOT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, SO THAT THEY STAGGER THE WAY THEY DO NOW. 
          BUT I DO REMEMBER IT HAVING A LOT MORE POWER BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TEAR DOWN MAYOR BULLS. 
          WHAT THEY WERE, WEREN'T THEY GONNA TEAR DOWN MAYOR BULLS AND THE HISTORIC BOARD, IT HAD A LOT MORE POWER. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME AND WELL IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE POWER, BUT WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT IT, YEAH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU GOT TIME FOR THIS STORY, THE PEOPLE DOING IT WENT INTO LINDA LYNCH TO SAY, WHERE 
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DO YOU GET A PERMIT TO TEAR A BUILDING DOWN? SHE SAID, WHAT BUILDING WOULD THAT BE? UNTIL SHE FOUND OUT SHE WENT STRAIGHT TO MIKE WALKER. 
          YOUR MOM WAS MAYOR THEN THEY CALLED AN OVERNIGHT EMERGENCY MEETING. 
          WE MET FIRST THING NEXT MORNING AND WE INSTITUTED THAT 90 DAY LOSS WHERE YOU HAD TO WAIT 90 DAYS AND TRY TO FIND A BUYER. 
          WELL, BY THAT TIME, THE PUBLIC OUTRAGE, WHICH WAS THE LAND GREW SO BIG THAT THEY CAME AROUND TO SAVING IT. 
          SO I LOVE THAT . 
          LIKE I'M CRYING. 
          AND SO THE ATTORNEY WITH ALL LIKE THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT RIGHT TIME DIFFERENTLY? YEAH. 
          HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          IN THE LATE 1900  PASS THE STATUTE YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS DOESN'T WORK. 
          YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT I REMEMBER IT BEING SOMETHING ABOUT MIRROR BULLS AND YEAH. 
          THEN THEY SAID, WHOA, WE, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS. 
          AND SO THEY SLOWED DOWN AFTER THAT IT STARTED FALLING, BUT YEAH, IT'S QUITE, BUT THAT'S HOW THAT LOG GOT ON THE BOOKS AND IT'S BEEN A GOOD LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE GENERAL ARE AGREE TO UPDATE THAT. 
          YEAH, I CAN DRESS THAT UP. 
          IT'S VERY EASY. 
          THE DISTRICT COMMISSION POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE THE LIBRARY OKAY. 
          MAKE SURE, YEAH. 
          WE'LL PUT MORE PEOPLE TO LIBRARY BOOK. 
          YEAH. 
          , SHE'S GONNA BE A BE A DOCTOR. 
          OTHER HAT, YOU KNOW. 
          SO HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THE, THE, UH, CITIZEN THAT'S ON A BOARD THAT GETS ELECTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION? THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS YOU COULD BE, IF YOU SAY THEY HAVE TO RESIGN, IT CAUSES THEM TO HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION. 
          THAT MAY BE FINE. 
          I'LL LOOK AT KRISTEN FOR THAT. 
          YOU AND IT, AND IT GIVES DISCRETION IF THEY COME BACK. 
          AND THERE COULD BE OTHER WAYS BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, WELL, IF THEY DROP OFF, WE'RE ALREADY SHORT, THE BOARD CAN'T MEET, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU RUN INTO THAT. 
          PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH. 
          NOW, MAYBE IN TIMES YOU HAVE, UM, SO IF YOU DID IT AS AN AUTOMATIC FORFEITURE, ONCE YOU'RE SWORN IN, THEN YOU AUTOMATICALLY ARE OFF. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS THE THEY CAN'T MEET SCENARIO. 
          UM, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD WRITE IT IN THAT THEY HAVE TO RESIGN, BUT IF THEY COULD REQUEST TO, TO STAY ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME NOT TO EXCEED SO LONG, IF THEY CAN'T MEET, IF THERE'S NOT A A, A QUORUM OR HOWEVER THAT TENNESSEE DOES THAT TO MEET OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          AND I'D LOOK AT KRISTEN FOR OPTIONS ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME DEBATE THAT ONE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT WOULD, THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY COMING IN AND SAYING, I HAVE TO MOVE. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT CREATES THE VACANCY ON THAT BOARD NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR SAYING. 
          YOU HAVE TO STEP DOWN. 
          AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS SOMEBODY, WE HAVE A LOT OF BOARD SHOPPING FROM TIME TO TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICATIONS AND SEE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I THINK I'D RATHER BE ON THAT BOARD, I'M GONNA APPLY FOR, THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO REAL COMMITMENT TO THE BOARD, THEIR OWN. 
          AND MAYBE THEY NEED TO STEP ASIDE AND LET SOMEBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN THAT BOARD DO THE JOB. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          AND I THINK AND YOU MADE THAT COMMENT. 
          THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THOUGH. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE ONE, THE ONE JASON BROUGHT UP IS SOMEONE ELECTED TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO THE COMMISSIONER AND NOT WANTED TO GIVE UP THEIR SEAT ON WHATEVER BOARD, WHETHER WAIT, WAIT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THAT. 
          WELL, THE, THE SCENARIO JASON JUST BROUGHT UP IS LIKE WHEN WE HAD SOMEONE ELECTED TO THE COMMISSION BUT WANTED TO STAY AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER OR SOMEONE OH, OH, YOU'RE ONTO THAT ONE. 
          I THOUGHT SHE MEANT THEY WANTED TO BE ON ANOTHER. 
          OH, I SO, SO ON, ON THE PARTICULAR ONE WHERE SOMEONE'S ELECTED TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S ALSO AFTER THE ELECTION OF THIS COMMISSION IS USUALLY WHEN WE GO THROUGH DO APPOINTMENTS AGAIN. 
          SO I'M NOT PERSONALLY TOO WORRIED ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY HAVE TO ROLL OFF ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEER BOARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE A COMMISSIONER NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO APPOINT NEW VOLUNTEER BOARDS ANYWAY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF, I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY LONG SHOT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN EGREGIOUS, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKE ACTIONS OR SOMEHOW 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. 
          AND I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW OFTEN THAT WOULD COME UP. 
          UM, WELL THE MAYORS POINT SOMEBODY IMMEDIATELY WELL IF, IF IT REALLY HAD TO BE A THING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S A SITUATION. 
          AND, AND IF THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE IF WE GO THROUGH AND SOMEONE'S ELECTED TO THIS COMMISSION, THEN THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR POSITION ON A VOLUNTEER BOARD, BUT THEN WE'RE IMMEDIATELY REAPPLYING PEOPLE TO THE VOLUNTEER BOARDS FROM THE 
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COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE NEEDED THAT PERSON TO BE ON THAT VOLUNTEER BOARD YEAH. 
          WE COULD PUT 'EM BACK ON. 
          OH, AS YOUR COMMISSIONER REPRESENTED AS A COMMISSIONER REPRESENTATIVE COULD. 
          YES. 
          SO I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS PRETTY SENSIBLE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CREATES AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OTHER THAN, SO THE CONSEQUENCE WE DON'T LIKE IS HAVING TWO COMMISSIONERS ON ONE BOARD. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT FEELS WEIRD. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THE SELECTION, EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH WENT BACK TO THE BOARD THEY WERE ON AND WERE PRETTY CONTENT WITH IT, YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD JUST LEAVE IT THAT IF THEY'RE ELECTED, THEY COME UP. 
          WELL THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD YOU NO. 
          SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 
          I I, I WOULDN'T MIND MAKING THIS OFFICIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST BECAUSE IT HAS PRESENTED ITSELF AS AN ISSUE A COUPLE TIMES. 
          THAT'S EASY. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, IF THIS IS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS, UM, WE COULD PUT IN THE POLICY THAT IF YOU, IF A MEMBER OF A VOLUNTEER BOARD OR COMMISSION IS ELECTED TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, THEN THEY IMMEDIATELY UPON, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG, WHATEVER OUR POLICY IS FOR THE NOTICE FOR TO GET APPLICANTS, THEY COULD STAY ON UNTIL THAT, BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, SO IT KEEPS THE STAY ON ONLY UNTIL ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WOULD IT BE, HOLLY? A, A MONTH, MAYBE SIX. 
          I USUALLY GIVE THEM MONTH FOR APPLICATIONS AND THEN THEY'RE APPOINTED THE NEXT MONTH. 
          YEP. 
          SO IT WOULD KEEP THEM ON UNTIL THEIR SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED. 
          WHICH IS HOW TYPICALLY ANY BOARD WOULD BE LIKE, BECAUSE IF WE HAD AN APPLICATION, WELL, AN APP, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A, UM, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? I DON'T, UH, AND, UH, RETIREMENT OR WHATEVER BEFORE WE CAN APPLY FOR A REPLACEMENT FORM. 
          'EM WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKING IT AUTOMATIC THAT, THAT AS SOON AS THEY GET ELECTED TO, OR AS SOON AS THEY'RE SWORN INTO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, THAT WOULD TRIGGER IT'S A FORFEITURE. 
          AS A FORFEITURE. 
          SO THAT WOULD TRIGGER US STARTING THE APPLICATION NOTIFICATION PROCESS. 
          THEY CAN SIT ON IT SO AS TO NOT CREATE A VACANCY. 
          THEY CAN SIT ON IT, THEIR SYSTEM, THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY DISQUALIFIED FROM BEING ON BOTH BOARDS AS SOON AS THEY'RE SWORN IN, BUT THEY CAN RETAIN THEIR SEAT UNTIL THE IS FILLED BY A NEW APPLICANT. 
          YES. 
          WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YES. 
          BUT THEY COULD STILL ASK TO BE THE COMMISSIONER REPRESENTATIVE COURSE VOLUNTEERS. 
          THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          AM I HEARING THAT? THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT. 
          YOU JUST DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT OTHERS ON A BOARD. 
          YOU DON'T WANT A COMMISSIONER TAKING UP A VOLUNTEER SPOT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON A SUCCESSOR APPOINTMENT TO THE POSITION THAT THEY WILL THEN RELINQUISH, THEY'LL AUTOMATICALLY FORFEIT AT THE SAME TIME IT WILL HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          SO IT JUST MAKES IT A GRACEFUL PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN KEEPS SOMEONE FROM CREATING THE ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK, ADMIT THAT I GOT, GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WORK. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK IF, IF THERE, IF, IF, UH, THERE'S A INTERIM APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMISSION MM-HMM . 
          NOT DURING AN ELECTION AND, AND SO WAITING FOR THE ELECTION AND THEN YOU HAVE THEM COME OVER. 
          SAME THING. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT, I THINK PRETTY EASY TO DO. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE COVER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YOU DID. 
          YOU STEPPED UP. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN THAT LIKE HE CHANGED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          HE GAVE UP HIS PLANNING COMMISSION SEE WHEN YOU CAME. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS USUALLY NOT A PROBLEM SOLELY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SOMEONE, THIS IS A JUST IN CASE SCENARIO. 
          YEAH, WELL, NO, IT'S, YEAH. 
          WELL, WELL, YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT IS IT CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE IT A PROBLEM IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE IT A PROBLEM AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ANN, COMING BACK TO THE, THE POINT YOU WERE MAKING BEFORE THEN, IF I'M ALREADY ON A BOARD AND I'M SHOPPING BECAUSE IT WASN'T MY NUMBER ONE CHOICE WHEN I GOT INTERESTED AND MY NUMBER ONE CHOICE BECOMES AVAILABLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE SELECTED FOR MY NUMBER ONE CHOICE, I THINK IS YOUR, IS YOUR THOUGHT THAT YOU SHOULD FIRST HAVE TO STEP DOWN FROM THE BOARD YOU'RE ON? YEAH. 
          AND THEN BE CONSIDERED, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPOINTED TO YOUR NUMBER ONE CHOICE. 
          THEY, THAT, THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT SHOWS ME THEY REALLY WANNA BE ON THAT OTHER BOARD. 
          AND I'D PROBABLY BE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR 'EM FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MET WITH A YOUNG MAN AND HE JUST, HIS THOUGHT, AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY SOMETIMES THEY JUST WANT TO GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR SO WE GET TO KNOW HIM AND THEY GET TO KNOW US AND THEY GET TO WORK. 
          AND THEIR BACKGROUND MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE FOR THE PARTS COMMISSION, BUT THEY APPLIED FOR THE TREE BOARD JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS AVAILABLE AND THEY WANTED TO GIVE THAT TIME TO, TO LEARN AND LEARN THAT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S, I'D RATHER SEE IT WHERE IF THEY'RE ELECTED, IF THEY GET THE NEW POSITION, THEY GIVE THE OLD ONE UP. 
          I, I THINK YOU MIGHT GET RID OF SOME GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BREAK IN. 
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DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A RULE THAT YOU CAN'T SERVE ON TWO BOARDS? NO, BUT IT, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S BEEN THE POLICY AND WHAT, SO WE WOULD WANT TO CODIFY THAT AS, OR YEAH, PUT THAT IN THE, PUT PUT THAT IN THE WRITTEN POLICY. 
          I, I SHOULD SAY IT'S BEEN A CUSTOM, NOT A POLICY. 
          AND I THINK HOW WHAT WE'VE STARTED DOING IS, HOLLY, AS YOU'VE NOTICED, HOLLY HAS STARTED PUTTING YEAH. 
          ALSO ON BLANK BOARD OR IS ON BLANK BOARD AS A WAY TO GIVE YOU THE VISUAL INDICATOR AND YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT FACT. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE WHO REALLY VOLUNTEER, WE USUALLY HEAR ABOUT 'EM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY BOARD. 
          THE MOST OF THE REALLY VOL GOOD VOLUNTEERS ARE IN THE CIVIC CLUBS OR THE SCHOOLS OR, OR, OR PHILANTHROPIC THINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, OR CHURCH GROUPS. 
          UH, UH, IF ONE OF OUR BOARDS IS THERE, UH, PRACTICE GROUND, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY A GOOD THING. 
          WELL, I THINK IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE PERFORMING WELL, IF, IF IT PARKS IS THEIR INTEREST, BUT THEY'RE PERFORMING WELL ON THE TREE BOARD, IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. 
          I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I MEAN, I DO THINK, AND AGAIN, I'VE TALKED, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE THIS WAY. 
          THEY LOOK AT IT AS A WAY TO BREAK IN. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO GET INVOLVED. 
          WELL, IF THEY'RE GOOD, AS YOU SAY, LET 'EM STEP DOWN AND APPLY FOR THE OTHER BOARD, THEY SHOULD GET SELECTED. 
          I KNOW THE LADY, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME, BUT SHE WAS ON I THINK THE TREE BOARD AND SHE WANTED TO BE ON THE AD HOC VETERANS COMMITTEE AND, AND WAS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, AND SHE RESIGNED FROM THAT AND HOPED, YOU KNOW, TO GET ON THE VETERANS COMMITTEE. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A RULE AND FOR SOME REASON THAT MUST HAVE BEEN CONVEYED TO HER. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS ONE THAT I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED A POLICY FOR IT IF WE'VE GOT A MECHANISM FOR KNOWING IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY ON BOARD WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING BECAUSE, AND THEN MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KEN, I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEBODY, IF WE KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE, THIS GETS ON WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT LIKE HAVING RULES FOR ALL OUR PEOPLE VERSUS MAKING DECISION. 
          I THINK IF WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION. 
          AND IF WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM WITH THE STAFF IS MAKE SURE OUR APPLICATION IS SET UP SO THAT WE KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S, UH, ALREADY ON SOMETHING. 
          WELL, WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT AS A QUESTION THEN? ARE YOU CURRENTLY SERVING ON ANY CITY VOLUNTEER GROUP OR BOARD? YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE A GROUP WOULD BE LIKE 2020 OR 2040 AND THAT WOULD LET US KNOW THEY'RE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE SOME STUFF AND, AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          MAYBE I A PROCESS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A POLICY. 
          WE CERTAINLY, I DON'T THINK NEED A CODE. 
          WE THINK, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE NEED A POLICY, BUT IF WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT LETS US GET THE INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION, THEN I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE ADEQUATE. 
          I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS WE KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT, ALI'S PUTTING THAT ON THAT PRETTY CAN WITHOUT PUTTING A QUESTION. 
          SHE'S PUTTING IT ON THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THERE TO ASK TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE IF THEY'RE ON ANOTHER BOARD. 
          AND I LOVE HOW YOU DO PUT INCUMBENT OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST MAKING SURE WE GOT GOOD INFORMATION TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. 
          WELL, THIS, AND WE SURELY DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT IT JUST BUGS ME WHEN I, WHAT WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE BOARD OPENINGS AND THE SAME PERSON WILL APPLY FOR ALL THREE. 
          AND, AND MAYBE I'M DIFFERENT, BUT I WAS SELECTIVE ABOUT MY VOLUNTEER SERVICE BECAUSE I DID CHURCH, CITY AND CIVIC, AND I DID ONE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KNEW WHAT I CARED ABOUT WOULD COMMIT MY TIME TO, AND, AND THAT JUST LOOKS SO I DON'T, I'M, YOU KNOW, I JUST, WELL AFTER SOMEONE SAT AT OUR BOARD AND SAID I REALLY WANTED TO BE A CITY COMMISSIONER, BUT THIS I TWO BOARDS WERE OPEN AND I DIDN'T LIKE TREES. 
          SO I APPLIED FOR THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. 
          MY EYES JUST REALLY OPENED. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT'S AN AMAZING CONFESSION TO SIT AT YOUR FIRST MEETING AT THAT BOARD MEETING. 
          AND THEN THAT PERSON LATER APPLIED FOR ANOTHER BOARD. 
          SO, WELL, AND NOW I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I SEE SOMEONE WHO'S JUST THROWING SPAGHETTI AT THE WALL TO SEE WHAT STICKS, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT A SUPER CONVINCING, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION TO ME. 
          I THINK THIS COMMISSION'S NOTICED WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST TAKE IT AUTHENTIC INTEREST. 
          JUST WANT TO, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO GET INVOLVED. 
          I MEAN, I, I'M NOT READING THAT MUCH INTO IT. 
          I JUST THINK THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED. 
          WELL, IT DEPENDS. 
          I'VE HAD BOARDS BEFORE WITH TOURISTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON A BOARD, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HELP BECAUSE 
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THEY'RE NOT IN TOUCH WITH THE MISSION OF THAT BOARD. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST RESUME BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ACTIVE VOLUNTEERS. 
          THAT'S KINDA WHAT ANN'S GETTING AT IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY AUTHENTICALLY INTO THE WORK OF THE BOARD. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A POLICY FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A, A PROCESS FOR THE COMMISSION TO TRY TO TEASE OUT THE GENUINE CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS AND TRY TO SEPARATE THAT FROM THE RESUME BUILDERS. 
          AND WITH THAT SAID, IF THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE APPLICATION THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, AGAIN, THE, THE MOST RECENT APPLICATION WAS ADOPTED IN 2012. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP YOU DISCERN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT ADDING. 
          I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO A REFRESHER OF THE APPLICATION ANYWAY. 
          AGAIN, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THAT THINGS ARE SUBMITTED ONLINE NOW SO THAT WE COULD DO THAT KIND OF THE SAME TIME THAT WE DO THE REST OF THIS. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA, IT'S A GOOD SEGUE. 
          PROCEDURALLY, SO IT'S MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND HOLLY PROCEDURALLY, UH, FOR, FROM A BOARD APPOINTMENT PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE REALLY ANY DIFFERENCE IN EFFORT, TIME CONSTERNATION? IF SOMEONE RESIGNS ONE BOARD BEFORE THEY WISH TO BE SELECTED FOR ANOTHER, OR IF THEY'RE SELECTED FOR ANOTHER, THEN AS A RESULT OF THAT THEY WOULD RESIGN AND CREATE AN OPENING ON THE CURRENT BOARD. 
          DOES THAT CREATE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE LOGISTICAL CONCERNS? I'LL THROW IN MY 2 CENTS. 
          ANYTIME WE'RE FILLING AN INTERIM, IT'S CONFUSING. 
          AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR HOLLY, SO I'M SORRY, BUT IT GETS CONFUSING AS TO, OKAY, HOW LONG IS THIS PERSON APPLYING FOR? ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE YEAH. 
          POSITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE'S YOUR DOMAIN. 
          THIS IS YOUR DOMAIN HERE. 
          CURRENTLY HAVE THE SOFTWARE SET UP WHERE THEY CAN ONLY APPLY FOR ONE BOARD, BUT THEY'RE GOING IN THERE AND REAPPLYING FOR A SEPARATE BOARD WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE APPLYING FOR MULTIPLE ONES. 
          SO THEY'RE KIND OF GETTING AROUND THAT OPTION. 
          UM, IF, IF I'M HAVING TO LOOK IN ON THE FRONT END WHEN I'M GETTING AN APPLICATION TO SEE IF THEY'RE ON ANOTHER BOARD, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. 
          'CAUSE WE GET SO MANY APPLICATIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE TO SCAN A LOT AND DOUBLE CHECK. 
          SO THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE, I I LIKE THE ADDING THE QUESTION ON THE APPLICATION. 
          ARE YOU CURRENTLY SERVING ON BOARD? THAT WOULD JUMP OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT BACK ON THE LOGISTIC. 
          THEN IF THEY, JUST GETTING BACK TO THAT QUESTION, IF I'M SERVING ON A BOARD TODAY AND I DECIDE I WANNA BE ON A DIFFERENT BOARD, UH, I HAVE TWO CHOICES, I GUESS POTENTIALLY I COULD RESIGN AHEAD OF TIME, MY POSITION OF MY CURRENT BOARD AND THEN REQUEST TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A NEW BOARD. 
          OR I COULD WAIT IF I REQUEST TO BE ON A NEW BOARD AND HAVE SELECTED AND THEN AT THAT POINT I CAN RESIGN MY OLD BOARD LEAVING THAT POSITION OPEN. 
          DOES THAT CREATE EITHER OF THOSE? IS THERE A, A LOGISTICAL ISSUE THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME? NO, IT'S ULTIMATE THE SAME THING EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE 'CAUSE I DID KNOW SO, BUT YOU'RE DEFINITELY CREATING A VACANCY IF YOU MAKE THEM RESIGN. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE, AND JUST AS A PRACTICAL CONSIDERATION THAT I WOULD NOT BE A FAN OF MAKING SOMEBODY RESIGN A POSITION ON SPECULATIVE INTEREST ON A BOARD THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET APPOINTED TO. 
          AND SO, AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S A GOOD VOLUNTEER AND REALLY IN THE MISSION, BUT LIKE SAY IF SOMEONE'S BEEN ON THE TREE BOARD FOR A COUPLE TERMS AND THEY REALLY LIKE THE TREE BOARD, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME VARIETY AND THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN THE PARK BOARD AND THERE'S A COUPLE SPOTS COMING UP INTO THE PARK BOARD, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A A, A TIME ON THE TREE BOARD LEFT MAKING 'EM RESIGN FROM THE TREE BOARD TO EVEN APPLY FOR THE PARK BOARD AND THEN HAVING IT TURN OUT THAT THEY DON'T GET A SPOT ON THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE THERE'S SOME BETTER APPLICATIONS. 
          I, I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THAT SCENARIO. 
          OH, ARE THEY STILL A GOOD TREE BOARD MEMBER AT THAT POINT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I KNOW IT. 
          THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN, WELL I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO RESIGN. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THEY WOULD'VE RESIGNED IF THEY WERE STILL INTERESTED. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT FOR VOTE SIGN NOT TO EASY. 
          IF WE WERE REVIEWING THE FORM SOME PLACES ON THERE TOO, AND I REMEMBER WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT YOUR SPOUSE AND THE SPOUSE EMPLOYMENT, SOME OF THE FORMATTING COULD BE MOVED THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER. 
          CLEARER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPOUSE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM ON EMPLOYMENT AND THAT'S ALL IN THE SOFTWARE. 
          SO THERE'S NOT HOW IT PRINTS OUT. 
          I CAN'T REALLY ADJUST THAT, BUT I CAN LOOK AT WHAT'S IT SAY. 
          IT'S THE WAY IT LAYS OUT AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ANSWERING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS ABOUT YOURSELF INSTEAD OF YOUR SPOUSE. 
          ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER JUST AS FAR AS YOUR JOB, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU? UM, NO, THE ONE ABOUT ARE YOU CURRENTLY ON A BOARD IS VERY, THAT WOULD HELP. 
          THAT WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US TOO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR APPROACH WITH SPOUSES RIGHT NOW? 
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NOT SURE KNOW THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S NO SPOUSES, ARLENE, WHAT THE SPOUSES HAVING SPOUSES ON SPOUSES ARE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD. 
          IT'S BASICALLY YEAH, ONE HOUSEHOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SPOUSE, ONE PERSON PER HOUSEHOLD. 
          EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? IT'S 2026 WITH THE, THE HOUSEHOLD THING. 
          I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN I, I THINK WE COULD HANDLE THAT AS A PRACTICE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT TO BE A POLICY, BUT, WELL OBVIOUSLY NONE OF IT THIS POLICY, BUT IT WAS A LONG HELD PRACTICE. 
          . 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M, I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE AS LONG AS THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE KNOW THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF OUR, SO IF IT'S ON THAT CASE, IF OUR PRACTICE IS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IS TO TRY TO, THE COUPLE THAT CAME UP WITH, SHE WAS NOT ONLY AN ABOUT, SHE WAS ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS, UH, AND THEY GOT OVER IT. 
          THEY UNDERSTOOD HOW WE ALL FELT. 
          SHE WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER APPLYING TO BE ON THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND HER HUSBAND WAS ON THE PARK BOARD AND YOUR MOM SAID, WELL HOW MUCH POWER DO Y'ALL NEED IN ONE HOUSE? . 
          SO EVERYONE OKAY THEN ON, ON THE SPOUSE THING JUST TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE ON THE APPLICATION AND THEN YOU CAN JUDGE IT WHEN YOU GET THE APPLICATION. 
          NO, I THINK IT SHOULD BE POLICY THAT SP TWO PEOPLE FROM THE SAME HOUSEHOLD CANNOT SERVE. 
          WE HAVE HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS IN THIS CITY? SIX. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          16 SIX, 16,600 OR SO COMING. 
          GREAT DATA SOURCE DALE SAY 15,000. 
          THAT'S THE EXACT ATTITUDE THAT ALLOWS SOME OF THE, THIS PROBLEM ABOUT STAYING ON WHEN YOU WERE ELECTED A CITY COMMISSIONER. 
          IT WASN'T IN WRITING. 
          AND WHILE WE HAVE THE BEST OF INTENTIONS 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S WHEN YOU GOT PROBLEMS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT UP FOR A VOTE. 
          THAT ONE, I DON'T THINK IT DISCOURAGES ANYBODY. 
          I MEAN IT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO. 
          JUST ACTUALLY HELPS 'EM TO KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          MIGHT NOT BE DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT LATER AFTER THEY'VE APPLIED. 
          I MEAN WE AGREE ON IT. 
          AREN'T WE KIND OF VOTING ON THAT NOW OR NOT? NO. 
          SAYING PUT IT ON FOR THE VOTE. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW IT, BUT I WANT IT VOTED ON. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL PLAN TO PUT IT IN THE DRAFT POLICY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO TRY AND TAKE IT OUT, THEY CAN DO AN AMENDMENT. 
          WE JUST RECENTLY HAD SOMEBODY APPLY. 
          IT WAS A HUSBAND AND A WIFE AND THEY APPLIED FOR THE SAME BOARD. 
          I MEAN SO YOU KNOW, CAME ON A DATE NIGHT. 
           ANY OTHER ASPECT OF THE BOARDS WHERE ANY OF YOU SAID TO YOURSELF, WELL IF WE EVER OPEN UP THIS DISCUSSION WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT FILL IN THE BLANK. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED? I THINK EVERYBODY SAID IT AND WE THANK ANN FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND BRINGING IT UP THE ISSUE AND THEN ALSO ADDING THE COMMENTARY. 
          THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH, VERY HELPFUL. 
          KRISTEN, POLLY, ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ON YOUR RADAR? IS THERE ANY SORT OF RE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR TIME? OH NO. 
          NO. 
          JUST IF YOU MOVED IN LAST TUESDAY, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT THAT IS A QUESTION I THINK HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED? YES, IN BRENTWOOD I BELIEVE IS A QUESTION. 
          IS THAT A JUDGMENT ONE OR A YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S A JUDGE. 
          I THINK THAT'S, IT'S NOT A QUESTION ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ARY TO LEGAL, BUT SOMETHING THAT COULD COME UP AS BUYERS VERSUS, OR OWNERS VERSUS RENTERS. 
          DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO BE LIKE A HOMEOWNER IN BRENTWOOD OR IF YOU RUN IN AN APARTMENT, JUST SAY RESIDENCE. 
          SAY RESIDENCE. 
          SO FOR RESIDENTS, FINE. 
          AND YEAH, BECAUSE A TENANT CAN VOTE. 
          VOTING PROPERTY IS EVEN LEGAL, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF REQUIRING PEOPLE TO OWN PROPERTY IS EVEN LEGAL. 
          I WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE A TENANT CAN VOTE. 
          WELL, YOU CONFESS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD VERY GOOD. 
          YEP. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT A RESIDENT BUT YOU WORK IN THE CITY IN ANY CAPACITY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          OKAY. 
          I ASSUME THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE, YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, KRISTEN? I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, GREAT TALK . 
          YOU DON'T WANNA STAY. 
          YOU HAVE A SLIDE UP. 
          THIS IS SIMPLE, BUT THE, HOLD ON HERE. 
          GET TO THE END. 
          GUESS HE PROBABLY COULD HAVE GONE THE OTHER WAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          , WE BOUGHT DALE THAT BIG NEW TRACTOR. 
          I HOPE HE'S NOT GONNA HAVE IT. 
          COME DIG UP MY YARD. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          I, I THINK THE SPEED LIMIT PORTION PORTION OF THAT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER. 
          THAT'S NOT AS BIG AS OUR NORMAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT ON THERE. 
          I'M TELL AS I DRIVE DOWN FRANKLIN ROAD AND 
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THOSE WERE OVER ON THE SIDE, I'M GOING AS FAST AS SOME OF THOSE ELECTRIC BIKES GO. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THEY SEE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE BIGGER. 
          THAT TOP THE TOP PORTION. 
          I KNOW DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT TO OVERWHELM THEM, BUT THAT'S NOT AS BIG AS A REGULAR SPEED LIMIT SIGN, RIGHT DALE? NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, FOR LOW SPEED, UM, IT HAS SUPPOSED TO BE 18 BY 24. 
          THOSE ARE 12 BY 18. 
          KEEP IN MIND THERE WAS MULTIPLE FACTORS. 
          THERE'S ALSO STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT FOR THE LOW AND THE HEIGHT OF THE HIGH AS POINT WITH THIS, UM, ANY OTHER SPEED LIMIT SIGN WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OTHER DATA ON IT. 
          YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN THAT HAD ANY OTHER DATA, YOU WON'T FIND IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FOCUS ON THE SPEED LIMIT ITSELF. 
          YOU DON'T EVER SEE A ADDITIONAL SIGN PUT ON A SPEED LIMIT SIGN AS WELL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO FOCUS OFF OF THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN. 
          SO THIS WAS FOR AESTHETICS AS WELL. 
          SO JUST MAYBE I'M SAYING TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S ON A MULTIUSE PATH AND NOT ON A ROADWAY. 
          IT'S ON A MULTIUSE PATH. 
          SO, UM, A LOT OF THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE SIGNS IS THE SECONDARY SIGN THAT HAVE RULES AND THEY ARE SMALLER. 
          THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY MADE FOR YOU TO PULL OVER AND READ. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A QR CODE ALSO ON WHICH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DESIGN. 
          I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DESIGN. 
          SO, UM, BUT THERE'S A QR CODE, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE, YOU WILL HAVE TO STOP TO ACCESS THE QR CODE AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT YES, TO ANSWER KEN'S QUESTION, 18 BY 24 IS THE MINIMUM. 
          AS YOU GET HIGHER IN SPEED, YOUR SIGNS GET LARGER. 
          SO 24 BY 30 WILL BE YOUR NEXT AND THEN YOU'LL SEE, SEE A 30 BY 36 LIKE ON YOUR STATE ROUTES OR THE HIGHER SPEED. 
          SO KEEP IN MIND THAT ALREADY IS 36 INCHES, NOT COUNTING THE GAP. 
          SO WE'LL CALL IT FOUR JUST FOR KICKS AND GIGGLES. 
          IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE TWO OR THREE. 
          SO YOU ALREADY HAVE 40 INCHES TAKEN UP. 
          SO THAT SIGN CAN BE DECEIVING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, FROM TOP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN. 
          RIGHT NOW YOU ALREADY HAVE 40 INCHES. 
          SO I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          SO IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, 18 BY 24, YOU HAVE 48 INCHES OF SIGNS. 
          IF YOU WAS TO DO THAT WITH BOTH, PLUS YOUR GAP OF PROBABLY THAT'S GONNA MAKE YOU 52. 
          SO YOU ALSO HAVE A HEIGHT AND YOU HAVE A A BOTTOM THAT, BUT WE'RE ALREADY FLIRTING WITH THAT ALREADY. 
          THAT'S KIND OF OUT OF THE NORM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE FOR THAT. 
          BUT I'LL, YEAH, SOME OF THE JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON THIS, WHEN WE, WE GOT INTO IT, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS. 
          UH, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THE CONFINEMENT, RIGHT? AND DALE JUST TALKED ABOUT PART OF IT IS THE DISTANCE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM IF WE WANTED AND, AND WE, WE THOUGHT BACK AND FORTH WE COULD JUST HAVE A SPEED LIMIT, BUT THEN IF WE HAD ALL THAT OTHER OTHER INFORMATION, WE'D JUST PUT A QR CODE, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO STOP TO GET TO THE QR CODES. 
          YOU STILL HAVE TO STOP. 
          SO WE FELT LIKE IT WAS GOOD FOR INFORMATION TO HAVE THE OTHER, RECOGNIZING THAT IT WOULD, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WITH THE RIGHT FONT SIZE FROM A HUNDRED FEET OR HOWEVER FAR ON A BICYCLE GOING 15 MILES AN HOUR, IF YOU COULD READ IT ON A FOUR BY EIGHT SHEET OF PLYWOOD, WHICH WOULD LOOK TERRIBLE ON BOTH SIDES UP AND DOWN THE TRAILS. 
          SO WE DECIDED, WE RECOGNIZED IF WE'RE GONNA PUT INFORMATION OUT THERE, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO STOP TO READ IT. 
          THAT'S JUST GONNA HAPPEN. 
          WHETHER IT'S A QR CODE OR WHETHER IT'S IN THIS FORM, WE FELT IT WAS BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE INFORMATION ON THE SIGN SOMEONE, IT'S AT LEAST RIGHT THERE, CONVENIENT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PHONE, YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. 
          IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          WE KNOW THAT RIDING THE BICYCLE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT. 
          WE DO BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THE SPEED LIMIT AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE LARGE, LARGE, LARGE FONT, UH, THAT IT'S VERY READABLE FROM A BICYCLE. 
          I'VE RIDDEN MY BIKE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ELSE HAVE YOU HAVE, BUT AT THE TYPICAL SPEED OF RIDING A BIKE ON THE TRAIL, YOU CAN'T SEE THE SPEED LIMIT. 
          SO WHY IT'S AN ORANGE AND SO FORTH. 
          NOW WE COULD CHANGE IT IF WE WENT WITH A MUCH LARGER SPEED LIMIT. 
          YOU'VE GOT OTHER INFORMATION, IT'S NOT GONNA FIT ON THE LOWER SIDE. 
          WE HAVE TO ALMOST KIND OF REDESIGN, RETHINK THE WHOLE THING. 
          WE COULD DO THAT. 
          UH, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY ORDER REPLACEMENT SIGNS AND INSTALL THOSE. 
          THE SAME PROCESS WE DID WHEN WE STARTED. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE HOPING, WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S NOT FREE. 
          NO, IT IS A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE SIGNS AND THEN THE TIME TO PUT 'EM UP. 
          UH, AND THEN IF WE GOT TOO BIG, AS DALE TALKED ABOUT, WE MIGHT BE FLIRTING WITH OUR PARAMETERS. 
          IT DEPENDS ON IF WE HAVE TWO SIGNS OR ONE SIGN. 
          IF YOU JUST HAD ONE BIG SIGN WITH THE SPEED LIMIT AND A QR CODE, YOU COULD DO IT WITH MAYBE ONE SIGN. 
          WE'D HAVE TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          OUR, OUR HOPE AND OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT THE EMAIL YOU, YOU ALL GOT IS, IS YOU MAY HAVE HAD OTHER COMMUNICATION ON THE SIGNS THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE SEEN SO FAR. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD  TO BE HONEST. 
          OUR HOPE WOULD BE TO LET THESE SIT FOR A WHILE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS AND WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WE'RE GONNA HONE IN ON WHAT DATA ARE WE GONNA TRY 
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TO COLLECT, NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT KEY BIKERS, WHATEVER THE COMPLAINTS ARE. 
          PARKS, NOT IN PARKS, ACCIDENT HISTORY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ANYTHING FROM THE HOSPITALS WE CAN GET FOR OUR AREA, OUR CITY. 
          AND THEN MAYBE TRY TO TRACK THOSE AND SEE IF WE CAN DETERMINE IF THERE'S AN INCREASE, A DECLINE STAYS THE SAME. 
          ARE WE HAVING ANY EFFECT AT ALL? I'D LIKE TO DO THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND SEE IF THERE'S A CHANGE HERE. 
          UH, BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE, AS WE'RE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE US TO DO. 
          THAT JUST GIVES YOU KIND OF WHERE WE WERE AT. 
          WE KNEW THERE WASN'T A PERFECT APPROACH, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          AND WE JUST, WE JUST CAME OUT ON, WE CAME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF SAYING, LET'S ALLOW PEOPLE TO STOP AND ACTUALLY READ THE INFORMATION AND THAT LIMITS THE SIZE QUITE A LOT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE ENDED UP. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, ARE THERE TWO PLACES ON EACH SIDE WHERE YOU BOLTED IN TO THE SIGN AND I DON'T SEE, BUT ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH SIDE? THERE'S, YEAH, I'LL SHOW YOU. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A BOLT THERE. 
          THERE'S A BOLT AT THE THERE, THERE'S A BOLT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          TOP AND BOTTOM OF BOTH. 
          DID THAT COME PRE-CUT THE YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THEY, WE OUGHT TO GET OUR MONEY BACK. 
          WELL, I MEAN, THEY PUT A HOLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD ON THE SIGN THEY DID. 
          AND SHE SAID, WELL, IT SAYS NOW IT SAYS ALL PARTS ARE A THROTTLE ZONES. 
          BUT YOU CAN TELL EVEN THOUGH IT GETS INTO THE, THE NOT OR, OR NOT THROTTLE ZONES, YOU CAN TELL THAT THE SIGN PEOPLE ARE NOT USED TO SEEING THIS NARRATIVE. 
          AND, AND USUALLY WHERE THEY GENERALLY AND STANDARD HAVE STANDARD PRACTICE OF PUTTING THESE BOLTS, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          SO I THAT JUST KIND OF ESCAPED 'EM. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT USED TO THESE TYPES OF SIGNS. 
          BUT I WOULD TELL YOU, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ARGUE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SAYS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          NO, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WANT IT TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. 
          WELL, THEY JUST TRYING THAT PRETTY QUICK. 
          WELL, THAT AGAIN, I LIKE TO MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT. 
          WE EXPECT ON THAT'S, THAT THAT INFORMATION IS PART OF WHAT WE EXPECT THEM TO HAVE TO STOP AND SEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I REALLY, REALLY DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SEE ANYTHING BUT THE SPEED LIMIT 15 AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE FIVE MILES PER HOUR WHEN PASSING AND THAT, THAT PART IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, SMALL PROBABLY, BUT IT'S LARGER THAN THE OTHER. 
          BUT WE REALLY DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SEE ALL THIS OTHER INFORMATION WHILE THEY'RE RIDING. 
          AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. 
          I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE RIDING DOWN A ROADWAY AND SPEND EVEN, EVEN IF WE HAD THE FONT LARGE ENOUGH WHERE YOU COULD READ ALL OF THIS, THAT TAKES QUITE A LOT OF TIME AND FOCUS AND ATTENTION. 
          AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT YOUR PATHWAY PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU WHEREVER YOU'RE AT. 
          SO WE REALLY DON'T WANT THEM TO READ MOST OF THIS WHILE THEY'RE WRITING. 
          I THINK, I GUESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS THAT WE HIRE SOMEBODY TO PRINT A SIGN AND IT COMES WITH THE PRECUT HOLES AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SEND BACK TO US. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THEY SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND TO BE, TO BE QUITE HONEST ON OUR SIDE, WE COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THAT TOO. 
          I DON'T, I JUST, THAT WAS A SMALL, SMALL LITTLE PIECE THAT PROBABLY GOT AWAY FROM ALL OF US. 
          BUT I STILL BELIEVE YOU STOPPED TO READ WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ. 
          YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR THE PARTS ARE NOT THROTTLE ZONE. 
          NO, I KNOW THROTTLE ZONE AT ALL. 
          AS FAR AS THE MANUFACTURER, WHAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          AND SO, AND WHAT I SHOULD DO RIGHT NOW IS FALL ON THE SWORD AND SAY WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED, UH, LAY DOWN OBVIOUSLY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW? WELL THE, THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER. 
          THE REASON WHY IT'S PRE, PRE-DRILLED IS THEY HAVE TO LEAVE ENOUGH SIGN MEAT SO IT DOESN'T RIP THROUGH THE SIGN. 
          WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M SAYING WHOEVER PUT THAT DESIGN ON OVER A HOLE THAT YOU KNOWS GONNA BE THERE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT WE GAVE THEM THE PRINT, THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT AND TOLD US, HEY, BY THE WAY, WHEN WE PUT THE HOLE, IT'S GONNA BE IN THAT. 
          CAN YOU CHANGE THE SIGN? RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          WELL, THERE COULD BE A LITTLE ON BOTH. 
          MAYBE MY GUY SHOULD HAVE SAID, HEY, WE PUT THESE IN AND WE'RE, WELL, I'M NOT BLAMING YOU. 
          WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME THOUGH, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SHOULD WE, SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SPACED UP? AND I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION I WILL HAVE WITH THEM. 
          UH, IT'S NORMALLY A PRETTY REPUTABLE COMPANY, I'M ASSUMING THE LADY DESIGNING IT INSIDE VERSUS THIS DECREE STAMPED POLE THAT COME. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO DROP DOWN AND PREDRILL AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE BUY THE SIGNS FOR THE PREDRILL. 
          OH. 
          SO, UM, I THINK I NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. 
          YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW UP AND CORRECT THAT. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE THE SIGNS OF THERE'RE MORE OF A CYA THAN BEING EFFECTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BOTTOM. 
          I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA STOP AND READ THE BOTTOM PART, BUT I THINK IF YOU MAKE IT SOMETHING BIG, LIKE A SPEED LIMIT SIGN, ELECTRIC BIKE SPEED LIMIT 15 MILES AN HOUR AND FIVE MILES AN HOUR WHEN PASSING. 
          I JUST THINK THAT'S A BETTER THING TO DO IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT LATER. 
          BUT I JUST, 
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AND I, AND ONE MORE THING, JUST, JUST, IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GO THERE ON YOU, BUT I WANT, I THINK IT'S, SINCE WE'RE IN THIS DEEP OF IT, I THINK IT'S MY JOB TO TELL YOU, IF YOU NOTICE TWO SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST BE WHITE, BLACK LETTERS, BLACK BORDER. 
          THAT'S NOT AS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AS WHAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY PRETTY SIGN. 
          SO KEEP IN MIND, IF YOUR GOAL IS TO JUST MEET THE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, IT SHOULD JUST BE A WHITE, BLACK LETTER, BLACK BORDER. 
          TAKE WHAT YOU GOT. 
          JUST FIGURE. 
          SO IS THAT, IS THAT CONSIDERED, JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE. 
          IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD HERE TO SCALE IT AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA BE X FEET AWAY ON A BICYCLE, BUT GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO AS THEY MAKE IT SMALLER, YOU CAN STILL SEE SPEED LIMIT 15 MILES PER HOUR. 
          IT'S NOT AS OBVIOUS AS, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE FROM A ROADWAY SIGN. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA AS THE, THE, THE RIDERS FURTHER AWAY. 
          RIGHT NOW, REMEMBER, MOST OF THE FOLKS WHO RIDE ON OUR TRAILS, THEY DON'T RIDE JUST ONCE THEY RIDE MULTIPLE TIMES, THESE SIGNS COME OUT. 
          THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS, I WONDER WHAT THAT IS. 
          THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GONNA BE CURIOUS. 
          AND I JUST DON'T THINK I, I WOULD AGREE IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A BIGGER SPEED LIMIT NUMBER. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE HAS AN EXCUSE TO SAY, I COULDN'T SEE IT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. 
          I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT, UH, IN THERE. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, AS IT GETS SMALLER, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET CLOSE TO READING ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE. 
          BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE 15 MPH IN THE ORANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE CASE ON THE TRAIL. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ENDED UP AND IT WAS ABOUT TRYING TO INCLUDE THE OTHER INFORMATION AS WELL. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE PERFECT WAY. 
          WE REALLY DID FEEL KIND OF CONFINED. 
          JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          WHEN YOU ENTER, IS THERE A BIGGER SIGN? I KNOW LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO THE PARKS AND IT HAS ALL THE RULES, IS THERE A BIGGER SIGN AT THE ENTRYWAY OF SOME OF THE PLACES? NO, NOT ON THE, NO, NOT ON THE TRAIL. 
          IS THAT IN THE PARKS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO AS WELL, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE EXISTING SIGNS, HAVE WE ADDED ANYTHING ABOUT THE E-BIKES OR DOES THAT BECAUSE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO THIS, THE KIOSKS THAT WE HAVE IN SOME AREAS? YEAH. 
          LIKE, YEAH, JUST, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, I MEAN WE'RE NOW, AS FAR AS WHERE WE INSTALLED, THERE WAS NO REALLY EXISTING ANYTHING. 
          THE MULTI-USE TRAILS, MY CORRIDOR GOES FOR MILES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE JUST PUT THEM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF 'EM. 
          WE TRIED TO HIT, IF I REMEMBER DALE, WE TRIED TO HIT WHERE THERE STREETS AND THEN YOU HAVE IT ON BOTH SIDES FOR BOTH TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN AVOID THE SIGN ANYTHING. 
          AND WE DID MOVE A LITTLE BIT AS WE GOT DOWN TOWARDS JORDAN ELEMENTARY. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE. 
          SO WE, WE THOUGHT OF, HEY, IF THE SCHOOL'S GONNA GET ON THIS TRAIL ASAP, LET'S GET THEM CLOSER. 
          SO WE WERE A LITTLE MORE STRATEGIC WHEN WE WENT TO JORDAN ELEMENTARY, WE GOT THEM. 
          THERE WAS I THINK, UH, NO MOTORIZED, THERE WAS AN EXISTING SIGN THAT WE DIDN'T REMOVE LIKE NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES OR SOMETHING. 
          SO WE PUT, AND THERE WERE ONLY A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE CROSSWALK. 
          SO WE WANTED TO BE STRATEGIC FOR THE KIDS TO GET ON TO SAY, HEY, REMINDER, LET'S NOT BE BUZZING DOWN THERE. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ABOUT 58 LOCATIONS OR 60 ON OUR EXISTING MULTI-USE TRAILS. 
          BUT THE PARKS HAVE A LOT MORE YEAH. 
          INSIDE THE PARKS. 
          SO I DO THE MULTI-USE TRAILS NOT IN THE PARKS AND THEN PARKS DEPARTMENTS DOING THE, THE ACTUAL PARKS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY DOUBLE THE INSTALLATION. 
          WE WILL, AND CHARLES BROUGHT UP A POINT WHILE AGO I, WHEN WE PUT UP SIGNS, WE NEVER GET PEOPLE TO ASK US TO PUT UP SIGNS. 
          THEY ACTUALLY SCREAM AT US THAT WE'RE PUTTING A POST NEAR THEIR YARD. 
          . 
          UM, CHRIS AND JILL'S ACTUALLY ASKED FOR MORE. 
          WE TRIED TO DO LIKE ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND SPLIT IT BOTH WAYS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE FIRST COMPLAINT, 'CAUSE PRINCETON HILLS, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF MURRAY LANE, THAT IS REALLY FAR INTO THEIR AREA. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IS A PUBLIC ACCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALLY FAR OFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED FOR MORE, WHICH A HUGE THOROUGH, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I THINK SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED IN THE SHIFT OF THE CLIMATE BECAUSE I NEVER ASKED FOR MORE SIGNS . 
          SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA GET WITH THEM AN ADDITIONAL SIGN. 
          THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE AESTHETICS OF THEM. 
          UM, AND NOT TO, NOT TO THINK THAT KEN'S POINT'S NOT VALID. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, NORMALLY I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS WHEN THEY SEE A POST DROVE ANYWHERE, EVEN IF IT'S ALL ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THANK GOODNESS ANY YET. 
          WHICH NOW I HAVE SEVEN VOICEMAILS SINCE I CURSED MYSELF. 
          UM, BUT PRINCETON HILLS HAS ACTUALLY ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL, SO THAT WAS GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          ONE YOU MENTIONED SCHOOLS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS NOW ARE REQUIRING ANYBODY WHO'S DRIVING AN E-BIKE TO SCHOOL TO GO THROUGH A TRAINING CLASS, BOTH PARENT AND PARENTS. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THEY PARENTS ONE CLASS, THEY HAVE TO BOTH SIGN OFF IF THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEIR ABIKE TO SCHOOL. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A HUGE HELP JUST 
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FOR THE PARENTS TO BE AWARE OF WHAT YEAH. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          A LOT OF EDUCATION FROM A LOT OF ENTITIES. 
          ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY TOO, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, UH, THE SIGNS ARE A COMBINATION OF GUIDELINES AND RULES OR LAWS. 
          THEY KIND OF COVER A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, THE HELMET PORTION IS BASED ON STATE LAW. 
          NOW THE SPEED LIMIT IS NOT IT'S GUIDELINE. 
          NOW, IF WE, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TRACK INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE IF WE FIND BEST OF INTENTIONS, IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD WHATSOEVER. 
          AND, AND, AND THEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT, AND AN ENFORCEMENT APPROACH THAT SAYS, NO, THIS IS GONNA BE AN ENFORCEABLE SPEED LIMIT. 
          IT MEANS IF YOU VIOLATE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CITATION OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          UM, IN THAT CASE, WE, WE MAY NEED TO RETHINK OUR SCIENCE COMPLETELY AT THAT POINT IN TIME BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATION OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU VIOLATE IT. 
          SO THAT WOULD CAUSE US FOR SURE TO DO THAT, I BELIEVE. 
          WELL OVERALL, I MEAN LIKE, SAY I AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST PUT THESE SIGNS UP. 
          WE'VE HAD ONE CRITICAL EMAIL. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD AN INCREDIBLE OUTPOURING OF ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNS. 
          I MEAN, BUT THE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LIVING WITH THIS FOR A WHILE AND JUST SEEING HOW IT DOES AND, AND SEEING WHAT THE RESULT IS AND, YOU KNOW, TO SEE HOW, HOW IT GOES. 
          ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WE, WE JUST GOT 'EM UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'LL BE SOME COMMENTARY. 
          WE MAY IT GET ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE LATER ON. 
          HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY ANYWAY. 
          I HATE TO THINK THAT WE MIGHT, YEAH, I DON'T RECALL ANY PRODUCT BEING INTRODUCED THAT HAS CREATED SO MUCH COMMUNITY INTEREST IN SAFETY AND TEAMWORK BETWEEN DIFFERENT AGENCIES. 
          I, IT'S REALLY PRETTY REMARKABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT, IT ALSO NATIONWIDE AND OH YEAH. 
          AND IT'S STILL EVOLVING. 
          YES. 
          I ALSO HAVE TO POINT OUT, I MEAN, THIS COMMISSION AND THE PARK BOARD HAS BOTH ASKED FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION TO GO ON THE SIGN AND IN TERMS OF GIVING THE HUGE VOLUME OF INFORMATION AND GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE REQUESTED AND TRYING TO THINK THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES INCLUDING LIKE, YOU KNOW, JASON SAID, HAVING, YOU KNOW, JUST A BIG QR CODE ON THE SIGN SAYING GO HERE WITH YOUR PHONE TO FIND THIS BIG VOLUME OF INFORMATION. 
          I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A PERFECT PRODUCT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD COMPROMISE GIVEN ALL OF WHAT WE'VE ASKED FROM IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE. 
          WE WERE, WE FELT WE WERE, YOU COULD GO ONE STYLE OR GO ANOTHER STYLE AND WE WENT WITH THIS. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE BEST APPROACH, BUT WE THOUGHT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP EITHER WAY TO KNOW THE RULES, WHETHER IT'S A QR CODE OR TO READ, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THERE. 
          BUT BY DOING THAT, IT DOES CONFINE THE SPACE. 
          IF YOU HAVE TO DO A REORDER, DALE, JUST ASK THEM TO MOVE UP THAT LAST SENTENCE. 
          OH, THAT'S, SORRY. 
          GOT AN EMAIL. 
          HI. 
          IT'S A VALID POINT THAT I, THAT WE, WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER SIGNS THAT WHEN THEY'RE LIKE ARROWS FOR CROSSWALKS, SOMETIMES THEY GET, IT'S NOT ALWAYS PERFECT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE TO SOMETIMES RE-DRILL. 
          UM, AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT CATCHING THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING ALL UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAKING PEOPLE AWARE. 
          WELL, HOPEFULLY THEY DO SOME GOOD, BUT EVEN IF THEY CAN SEE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, WE ALL KNOW THIS. 
          YOU CAN DRIVE A A STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE BIG SPEED LIMIT SIGN PERFECTLY CLEARLY. 
          AND IT STILL SPEEDS . 
          SO WE'LL SEE.
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