* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. MOVE INTO OUR [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing April 9, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting. ] REGULAR MEETING. GET CAUGHT UP HERE. ALRIGHT. THE, UH, FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, AND THIS IS ON A REZONING, UH, SERVICE INSTITUTION, RELIGIOUS OR SI ONE, UH, REZONING AT, UH, 2 0 0 1 SHAMROCK DRIVE FROM, UH, R TWO TO SI ONE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE MIRACLE FIELD, SO YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR, UH, WITH THIS ITEM. UM, YOU CAN HIT IT REAL QUICK, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU, UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, JUST OFF OF OLD HICKORY BOULEVARD, IT'S THE, UH, UH, UH, OFF OF, UH, HICKORY AND WILDWOOD, UH, VALLEY DRIVE, UM, ABOUT 1.37 ACRES THAT IS AFFECTED BY US ON OUR SIDE OF THE, UH, COUNTY LINE. UM, AGAIN, FOR MIRACLE FIELD, UM, THERE'S A HOUSE IN TWO BALL FIELDS TENTATIVE RIGHT NOW ON THE SITE PLAN, BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN IS A PIECE THAT COMES BACK LATER IF YOU APPROVE THE REZONING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR TO USE A DETAILED SITE PLAN, GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR VIEWING APPROVAL LATER. SO SOME PIECES COULD BE MOVING HERE, BUT RIGHT NOW, TENTATIVELY A HOUSE AND TWO BALL FIELDS WOULD BE REMOVED. UH, I THINK THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE SPACE AND WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE USE IN STORM DRAINAGE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT, UH, THAT WOULD ALL BE RESOLVED IF THERE IS A CHANGE, UH, AT THE SITE PLAN, UH, REVIEW PERIOD, UH, AND FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO, UM, AGAIN, BASEBALL FIELD LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, REQUIRED STORMWATER QUALITY AND DETENTION. PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UH, UH, IS AN ACCESS FROM O HICKEY, UH, BOULEVARD. SO THESE ARE THE SAME, SAME GRAPHICS WE HAD BEFORE, SHOWS YOU RELATIVE TO THE CHURCH, LITTLE AREA THERE, CIRCLE BY THE RED. THAT'S A FUN WAY TO LOOK AT IT. THERE YOU GO. ANYWAY, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD RENDER, SORT OF A RENDERING, HOW IT MIGHT LAY OUT. AGAIN, FINAL SITE PLAN DETAILS SHOULD BE LATER. UH, AND ANTICIPATE SOME EXPANDED PARKING FOR THE CHURCH AS WELL. THAT CAN BE SHARED QUESTIONS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTION. SO THE REZONING, THE, THE PLAN THEY'RE SHOWING US IS NOT A BINDING PLAN CORRECT. AT ALL? SO IT CAN BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT STILL WOULD'VE TO COME THROUGHOUT AND, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY CHANGE JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YEAH, JUST PLANNING COMMISSION THERE, YOU HONOR. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS THE COURSE. THIS IS WHAT'S PROMPTING THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING. AND, AND, AND TECHNICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS IF THE REZONING IS PROVIDED, THEN ANY USE WITHIN THE ZONE COULD BE APPLIED THERE. SO IF WE COULD SCRAP THAT ALL TOGETHER THOUGH, THAT'S THE WHOLE TRIGGER FOR THIS, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT AT ALL. UM, AND SO, UH, THEN ONCE THE REZONINGS IN PLACE, THEY COME BACK WITH THE SITE PLAN AND FINALIZE ALL THIS DETAILS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE. AND THEN ON MONDAY NIGHT, WAS THERE ANY COMMENT, UH, OR WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS MADE EITHER FROM PLANNING COMMISSIONER OR FROM THE CITIZENS DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THERE, THERE WAS A, UH, YEAH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THE CHURCH SPOKE AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE EXISTING BALL FIELDS. OH, OKAY. HE LIVES IN METRO. UM, HE WAS THERE AND HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING EXISTING FIELDS. YEAH, OKAY. YEAH. SO THEY, THEY HAVE A INTERNAL CONVERSATION TO RESOLVE THERE, BUT, UH, AND I GET THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST THIS LOCATION, BUT FIELDS IN ANOTHER LOCATION AND THE NEED THAT THEY HAVE. THAT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE. IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO US. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE, UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL SHARING THE NOTES FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEIR CONCERNS WERE KIND OF THE SAME AS OURS AND THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT FLOWS. IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM . BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OF THE BALL FIELDS AND THE USE AND THE, AND ALL THAT, I'M NOT, I, I'M NOT SURE THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHAT THE SUPPLY OF BALL FIELDS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND WE CAN DO THAT IN CITY PARKS, BUT RIGHT. SO YEAH. SO IT'LL BE UP TO THAT GENTLEMAN IN THEIR ORGANIZATION TO WORK WITH THE CHURCH AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST APPROACH HERE. IF THEY COULD SAVE ANOTHER BALL FIELD, IT'S NOT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD. UH, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE NEED FOR THIS AND THE ASSOCIATED STORM RANGE. OKAY. UH, CONSENT ITEM ONE. UH, IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH SENTINEL TECHNOLOGIES FOR CYBERSECURITY PENETRATION TEST AND ASSESSMENT. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS RECOMMENDED AND WE DO EVERY TWO YEARS. AND, UH, WHAT WE BASICALLY, WE HIRE A HIGHLY QUALIFIED, UH, TECHNICAL CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND, AND GET INTO OUR NETWORK AND TRY TO, UH, EVALUATE IT TO DETERMINE WHAT VULNERABILITIES WE MAY HAVE. HOPEFULLY WE DON'T, THEY'LL FIND ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE. THEY'LL PROVIDE A REPORT TO US THAT'LL HELP US TO KNOW HOW TO KEEP OUR NETWORK TIGHTENED UP AND KEEP THE OUTSIDE WORLD THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN IT OUT OF IT. IT'S, UH, $30,000, $30,216, 20 CENTS OFF THE PAID CONTRACT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING? IS THIS IN ADDITION TO, [00:05:01] I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING QUITE A BIT OF THAT SORT OF STUFF OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. YEAH, I'LL LOOK AT SARAH. I DON'T THINK SO, BUT GO AHEAD. UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE NORMALLY DOING. THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE SEARCHES ARE TOOLS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, RIGHT. TO DO OUR DAILY MONITORING, OUR 24 7 MONITORING. SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL INTENTIONAL, UM, THIS NELSON, THIS IS AN ACTUALLY INTENTIONAL ASSESSMENT THAT WE'LL HAVE DONE VERSUS THOSE OTHER TOOLS THAT ARE OUR DAILY MONITORING. OKAY. YEAH. DOES THAT MAY HELP OR HELP CLARIFY IT? WELL, IT DOES. IT, IT IS SUCH A BIG DEAL RIGHT NOW. IT IS. AND, AND I FELT THAT WE'VE HAD A VERY ROBUST SYSTEM IN THE PAST AS EVIDENCED BY, UH, SOME OF THE TRAINING I'VE HAD TO DO AT TIMES. , YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, YEAH. BUT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, VERONICA, I'M GLAD THE SYSTEM ANSWERED. YEP. SO IT'S JUST BEST PRACTICE TO DO AN INTENTIONAL, LIKE HAVING SOMEBODY TRY TO BREAK INTO OUR SYSTEM. AND SO YEP. THEN WE NEED TO TWEAK OTHER THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. GOOD. YEAH. DOES THAT EXTEND INTO OUR MOBILE DEVICES? NOPE. THIS WILL JUST BE OUR NETWORK ON SITE. OKAY. WE CAN TRY TO BREAK INTO YOUR MOBILE . WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT . WHAT'S, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, I REMEMBER NOT THAT MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED TO COME UP WITH CYBER SECURITY INSURANCE, CYBER INSURANCE, AND WE WERE ASKING THE QUESTION, WELL, WHY WOULD WE NEED THAT? RIGHT. TRYING TO THROW UP AND NOW IT'S, CAN YOU AFFORD IT? SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED PRETTY FAST. ALRIGHT. CONSENT ITEM TWO. UH, AUTHORIZES AN AMENDMENT WITH THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, UH, THE LAW, UH, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE HIRING TRAINING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. IT'S THE STANDARD AGREEMENT. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS, AND YOU'LL SEE THE PACKAGE FOR NAME CHANGES. SO IT, IT'S AS CLOSE TO A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM AS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM CAN BE. SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE, ABOUT THE SECOND BACK OF THE SECOND PAGE IN, ON THE BACK, UH, FOR THE STATE AND FOR US. AND, UH, THE NAME CHANGE, THEY LIKE AGREEMENT CHANGES, SO THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. OTHERWISE NO CHANGES. GOD. GOD. OH, NO. NEED TO PUT A BIG GIANT X ON THE ONE THAT WORKS. SO JASON, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD HER MARK OUR POLICE OFFICER FOR SOME TIME ON A GRANT. AND IT'S GRANT, IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S SOMETHING, LET SEE HERE. I'M NOT SURE JIM COULD TELL US HOW LONG. IT JUST SAYS THE GRANT. SO I DIDN'T KNOW. 2023. YEAH. AUGUST 14TH OF 23 WE ENTERED INTO THE GRANT CONTRACT. SO IT'S JUST BEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE TO THREE YEARS. TWO, THREE YEARS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THE GRANT IS STABLE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT HASN'T, HAS BEEN STABLE. YEAH. WE GET THE FREE TUITION FOR THE TRAINING AND THEN 5,000 FOR OFFICER TO ASSIST IN CONTINUING THE COST OF TRAINING. SO IT'S THE BENEFIT. THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS WE GET. YEAH. SO, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING THEY CAN, THAT HAS AN END DATE THAT, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT'S BEEN STABLE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL THE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THEY CHANGE THINGS CONSTANTLY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE EVALUATING THIS PROGRAM, UH, ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OFFICIAL END DATE WILL BE, BUT THERE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? HOLD ON REAL QUICK ON THIS, WE'LL SEE IF WE GET TAKEN CARE OF. MM-HMM . WELL IF YOU WANNA GO IN AND TALK ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE CAN FILL IN THE, UM, WHAT JASON'S TALKING ABOUT IS WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON OUR SITE TO AS TO USES. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO THAT ONE AHEAD. OH, MY ONE AHEAD. SORRY. . WELL SURPRISED. THAT'S OKAY. . YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT A COUPLE MINUTES HERE AND SEE IF WE CAN, OH YEAH. ANN, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME OKAY OR WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT FOR THE DEVICE? NO, GO AHEAD. I CAN HEAR YOU. I WAS STRANGE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THANK YOU THOUGH. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, SO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, JR. WALFORD ENGINEERS FOR RAINTREE NUMBER TWO, WATER TANK AND STATION DEMOLITION. AND SO THIS IS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. UM, AND THE, THE WATER TANK AND PUMPING STATION HAVE BEEN, UH, OUTTA SERVICE, UH, SINCE 2009, SO FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. SO IT'S TIME TO, TO GET THEM, UH, REMOVED. AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE, THEY WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL RAINTREE FOREST DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE NOT NET NEEDED ANYMORE, AS YOU CAN TELL, NOT NEEDED SINCE 2009. SO, UH, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH J WOFFORD AND COMPANY CONSULTING ENGINEERS, AND IT'S, IT'S PART OF OUR MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT IN WHICH WE HAVE A MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH MULTIPLE, UH, ENGINEERS FOR DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, AND THEY ESTABLISH THEIR, UH, HOURLY RATES AND THEN WE CAN APPLY THEM BASED ON THE PROJECT. AND SO THIS IS THE, UH, ENGINEERING COMPANY FOR THIS PARTICULAR [00:10:01] PROJECT. AND, UH, UM, THIS APPROACH HAS REALLY HELPED US TO KIND OF GET TO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS IN A TIMELY AND MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. UH, AND IT STILL PROVIDES A MEANS OF, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF A KIND OF A COMPETITIVE ASPECT TO MAKE SURE RATES ARE, ARE GOOD AND QUALITY, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, IS SOUND. AND SO, UH, JARED WALFORD IS A LOCAL NASHVILLE AREA FIRM. THEY'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS SINCE 1956. UM, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THERE'S A LITTLE TIDBIT IN HERE. THEY PROVIDED ENGINEERING SERVICES IN 1960 FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE VERY FIRST WATER SYSTEM, UH, IN BRENTWOOD. SO IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING TIDBIT THERE. SO, UH, IF APPROVED THIS MASTER UH, SERVICES AGREEMENT, UH, WOULD HAVE A TERM OF ONE YEAR WITH UP TO TWO ADDITIONAL YEARS AVAILABLE, UH, FOR APPROVAL IF, IF AGREEABLE BY BOTH PARTIES. SO ONCE YOU GET PAST THE ONE YEAR, BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO AGREE TO THE TWO YEARS. HOW DO YOU DEMOLISH YOUR WORK TIME? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, WE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BLOW IT UP. NO, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO BLOW IT UP. I, I, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS TANK. IF IT'S STEEL, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE CUTTING IT INTO PIECES SO THEY COULD HAUL IT AWAY, WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A BOLTED STEEL, SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY UNB BOLT IT AND TAKE IT DOWN PIECE BY PIECE. OKAY. SO THE PIECES ARE BOLTED TOGETHER. JUST TAKE IT DOWN PIECE BY PIECE. OH, OKAY. JUST, MAN IS REALLY A BETTER WORD. THAT'S A BETTER WORD. SO IF YOU'RE REALLY BORED ON THE A DAY, A FEW DAYS THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU GONNA WATCH. IT JUST SOUNDED MORE EXCITING. . YEAH. SO JASON, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THE ACTUAL TO DO LIST , WE'RE JUST GONNA DEVELOP THE PLANS FOR THE WORK. YES. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THEIR RULES TO DEVELOP THAT, THE PLANS BEHIND ALL THIS. UH, AND THEN, UH, IF THE, IF THE AGREEMENTS CONTINUE, THE, THE, UH, RATE INCREASES ARE TIED TO CPI, WHICH IS GOOD. 'CAUSE YOU REMEMBER US SAYING BEFORE, NOT A LOT OF THE AGREEMENTS WE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU ARE WHERE THE, UH, COMPANIES WANT TO KEEP THE COSTS AT CPI. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY HAPPY TO CPA. THAT'S A GOOD THING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST NOT ON THIS, JUST, IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE, THE, THE TANK OVER AT THE DOG PARK AREA, TOWER PARK. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE'RE GONNA SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THAT WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. OH, OKAY. YEP. I SAW THAT LISTED, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE FARTHER ALONG THAN THAT. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE, UH, WELL, WE'RE GETTING THERE. . IT'S COMPLICATED. IT'S COMPLICATED. AND I WILL TELL YOU THE, THE, THE COST ESTIMATES ARE INCREASING AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY. SO THAT'LL BE, THAT'S, UH, ONE OF OUR BIG FOCUSES IN THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING LEASE AGREEMENT WITH BOAT TOWERS TO LLC FOR INSTALLATION OF CELL TOWER 10 AND RELATED FACILITIES AT, UH, NINE 10 HERITAGE WAY. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS. THAT'S WHAT KRISTEN WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, AND WE NEED TO VERIFY THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE AT THIS STAGE, BUT WE NEED TO VERIFY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WERE THERE AT THE TRANSFER TIME OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD IN ANY WAY, UH, PROHIBIT US FROM DOING THIS. SO WE'RE GONNA DOUBLE CHECK THAT JUST TO BE SURE, UH, BECAUSE IF WE DO FIND THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD ON MONDAY ANYWAY, BUT IF WE DON'T, THEN WE'RE, AS WE THOUGHT WE, OR AS WE THINK WE ARE TODAY, WITH THE ABILITY TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT WE WANT TO BE DOUBLY SURE OF THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A BEGINNING, UH, PIECE TO THAT. SO I'LL GO THROUGH, UH, AND THIS IS, UH, UH, YOU REMEMBER IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, YOU APPROVED THE ORDINANCE THAT AMENDED OUR CELL TOWER, UH, CODE AND CREATED A TIER FOUR REVIEW. AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO REALLY TO CREATE OR HAVE COVERAGE IN AREAS THAT WE EITHER HAVE POOR COVERAGE OR NO COVERAGE. AND, UH, AND IT'S A TIER FOUR, SO IT CREATES A, A SOMEWHAT OF A MORE EXPEDITED APPROACH. THERE'S STRICT, STILL STRICT REQUIREMENTS THERE. UH, THE HEIGHT CAN'T BE MORE THAN ONE 60 AND IT REALLY CAN'T BE MORE THAN WHAT'S NECESSARY TO SOLVE THE SIGNAL PROBLEM WITH A CAP OF ONE 60. UM, AGAIN, ALL THE, UH, DISGUISING, UH, THE MONOPOLE, UH, TOWERS REQUIRED, YOU WON'T SEE WHAT THEY CALL A LATTICE TOWER. UM, THE MONOPOLE HAS TO BE ENGINEERED TO HAVE WHAT I CALL PINCH POINTS OR BEND IT BENDS OVER RATHER THAN A COLLAPSE, IT'S A BEND OVER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE BROADER AREA OF IMPACT IF THERE'S A WEATHER EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE THAT. WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE THAT OFTEN BY THE WAY, BUT JUST IN CASE, UH, SO YOU HAVE ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE. ALSO INCLUDES A, UM, UH, CERTIFIED MAIL NOTIFICATION WHEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UH, A TOWER SITE, UH, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE BOUNDARIES SO THAT THEY'RE MADE AWARE AND IF, IF THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS PROCESS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY CHOOSE TO DO THAT. AND SO THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS BY VOGUE TOWERS TWO LLC, UH, UH, YOU'RE, YOU [00:15:01] MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH VOGUE. THEY'VE, UH, ALONG THE WAY AS WE WERE PREPARING THE CHANGES TO THE AMENDMENT, THEY HELPED US WITH SOME TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND ADVICE, AND WE WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. UM, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR COMMUNICATION TOWER AT NINE 10 HERITAGE WAY, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS. SO THEY HAVE, UH, UH, BEEN TO THE SITE, WORKED WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SITE, DETERMINED THE BEST LOCATION. WE HAVE NO CONCERNS GENERALLY WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION THERE. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE NO PROPERTY RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD INHIBIT THIS AT ALL. UH, AND IF SO, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE, SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT, OKAY. TO KEEP, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS, AND IT'S EARLY ON IN THE AGREEMENT, IS IF, UH, WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT BEING, UH, THE CONTRACTOR, CONTRACT CONTRACTOR ON THIS, UM, THAT WE DON'T SET UP OUR OWN ORGANIZATION IN THE SITUATION OF A CONFLICT WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE YOU HAVE A ROLE, BECAUSE WE OWN THE PROPERTY AS A CITY AND THEY HAVE A ROLE AND IT'S A LAND USE ROLE. SO THEY WOULD'VE A ROLE, WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY OR OURS WHEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN ANTENNA TO REVIEW ALL THE THINGS THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE ORDINANCE. UH, SO YOUR ROLE HERE IS TO DECIDE WOULD YOU WANT TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE ACCESS, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY IN A GROUND LEASE ARRANGEMENT IN A TYPICAL CONTRACT, UH, FOR VOGUE. OR IT COULD BE ON OTHER LOCATIONS LATER, WHOMEVER IT MIGHT BE TO LOCATE AT THOSE LOCATIONS. AND SO LEMME ASK YOU THIS, AND THIS IS JUST A THEORETICAL QUESTION. LIKE, WHEN THE COUNTY COMES TO US, WE HAVE NO ROLE. THEY ARE SUPERSEDE OUR ROLE, DON'T WE AS A CITY, OUR ROLE AS THE OWNER OF THIS SUPERSEDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHY WOULD THAT SAME RULE NOT APPLY IN OUR SITUATION? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I THINK ON THE COUNTY, YOU'RE CORRECT. MY LAW THOUGH, IN PRACTICE NOW I AM ON THAT. YEAH. IN PRACTICE, GENERALLY THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR LAND USE, UH, PROCESS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. UM, SO I'LL TAKE THAT AND I'D LIKE TO, BUT I DON'T WANT IT, I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT SAYING WE CAN'T IF WE WANT TO, AND, AND THE AGREEMENT IS SET UP TO USE OUR PROCESS TO WHETHER WE HAVE TO OR NOT. KRISTEN, I, I LOOK YOU ON THAT. I DON'T, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW THAT ANY CITY HAS EVER TRIED TO SUPERSEDE THEIR OWN PROCESSES. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THERE MAY NOT BE ANY CASE LAW ON IT. LIKE THERE IS THE COUNTY. UM, AND I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK THAT UP. BUT AGAIN, THE CITY PUTS THOSE PROCESSES IN PLACE, SO IT KIND OF SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE FOR A CITY TO TRY TO BI BYPASS THOSE PROCESSES. I'M JUST SAYING, IF THEY SAID THEY, THEY SAID NO. RIGHT. WE CONSIDER THIS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW. MM-HMM . I, I'M JUST SAYING LET'S BE READY FOR WHATEVER COMES. I DON'T LIKE SURPRISES. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. IT IS. I'LL, I'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. SEE, OKAY. DOES THIS, DOES THIS ELIMINATE GALAXY? WELL, LET, LET ME GET THE GALAXY, HOLD ON. UH, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANNA GO AHEAD AND STILL FINISH THIS QUESTION, BUT ON THIS QUESTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S JOB IS ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE. RIGHT? SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT. I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD NOT LISTEN TO 'EM OR WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. SO THEY ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS IT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THE BOXES ARE CHECKED YEAH. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT SOME SENSE. THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCRETION IN, IN THIS SITUATION LIKE THIS. YEAH. SO I TO TO ARGUE THAT YOU ALL WOULD OVERRIDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PLEASE LITTLE BIT MIGHT BE JUMPING THE GUN A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CHRIS, THERE'S PROBABLY THREE LAYERS TO THIS. FIRST OF ALL, IN STATE LAW, DOES THE CITY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN REGULATIONS? SECONDARILY, IF YOU GET A DEC, IF YOU GET CHOICE IN THAT, HOW DO YOU SET UP YOUR RIGHT. YOU SET IT UP TO BIND YOU OR NOT. RIGHT? AND THEN THIRDLY, IN THIS CASE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE AGREEMENT. SO IF YOU ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE WAY THE AGREEMENT'S SET UP. BUT WE'LL GO BACK AND CHECK TO SEE IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT THAT WAY BY LAW. I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. AND CAN, AND WE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE DO HAVE CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES ARE EXPLICITLY EXEMPT UTILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ANOTHER STATE LAW THING, BUT WE'RE THE SAME WAY. SO, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT JUST MADE THE OBSERVATION THAT, LIKE ANNE SAID, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE A COUPLE YEARS NOW. I MEAN THIS, WE'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THAT WE'VE HAD POOR CELLULAR DATA. YOU KNOW, WE, IT CAME UP AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF RESEARCH TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE ORDINANCES RIGHT. AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS BASED AROUND THAT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK THAT IF WE HAVE A GOOD PROJECT AND BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD ORDINANCE, I, I FEEL LIKE [00:20:01] WE PUT A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO IT. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD PLANNING COMMISSION THAT'LL LOOK AT IT VERY OBJECTIVELY. AND, AND THEY ALSO LIVE IN OUR SAME CITY AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. AND THEY WERE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK AS WE HAD DEMONSTRATED VERY CLEARLY TO US JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WITH FERN, THE IMPORTANCE OF A ROBUST CELL AND DATA NETWORK. UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT WAS, WE, WE LEANED ON IT A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WISH IT WAS BETTER, UM, WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE REGULAR FIBER OPTIC, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE HOMES LOST THE REGULAR ACCESS TO, TO, TO DATA MM-HMM . SO I, I WOULD SAY BEING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION IS PRETTY LOCK LOCKSTEP WITH US AND WHAT WE WANT AND MM-HMM . THEY WERE AS IMPRESSED AS WE WERE WITH THOSE MAPS THAT WERE SHARED IN THE COVERAGE, LACK OF COVERAGE, ET CETERA. I I, I DON'T SEE A ISSUE AT ALL WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. AND THIS IS SET UP TO, TO REQUIRE THEIR APPROVAL TOO. AND IT'S, IT'S SET UP REALLY ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW YOUR ZONING CODE. RIGHT. SO IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T, THAT CAUSES TO CHANGE THIS TO CERTAIN DEGREE, I THINK. BUT IT'S SET UP BASED ON THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT YOU, IF YOU DID HAVE TO, TO GET INTO A BINDING SITUATION, WHICH IF YOU HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT, AND PLAN COMMISSION SAYS, WELL, BUT THEY CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GET INTO A CONFLICT WITH YOURSELF. BUT THAT'S BASED ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR ZONING CODE. IF YOU DO NOT, IT DOES CHANGE THE, IT CHANGES THE GAME ON THAT, I THINK. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, UH, DETERMINE, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW TODAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO. DO YOU STILL WANT TO? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEN WE GO DOWN THE SAME PATH. BUT IF YOU SAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE WANT THE FULL DISCRETION TO DO WHAT WE WANT, EVEN IF IT'S CONTRARY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT CHANGES HOW YOU LOOK AT THIS QUITE A LOT ACTUALLY. SO THAT'S, WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE USING YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT IN, IN ANY OF THESE AGREEMENTS, IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW. OTHERWISE WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE IT. IT'S POSSIBLE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO IF WE KEEP IT AS IT IS, WE STILL WILL SEE EVERY APPLICATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GRANT THE CONTRACT IF IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY, IF THE REQUEST IS ON OUR PROPERTY, IF YOU RECALL, THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE PROPERTY TO, SO IF IT IS AN HOA TYPE PROPERTY OR IT'S HOA, IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISS. SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY SAY. BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE SITE. YES. YEAH. AND IT PUTS 'EM ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL PLAYING FIELD OF REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I, I'M GOOD WITH THE PROCESS SET. ANYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK THE PLAYING COMMISSION, BECAUSE THIS AGREEMENT WOULD BIND THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IF, IF IT'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY, DOES IT JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YES. YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE AT THIS STAGE IS BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST TO USE OUR PROPERTY AND YOU'RE THE OWNER. AND IF IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND IT'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY. SAY IT'S ON A HILLSIDE OF THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB, THAT'S PART OF THEIR GREEN SPACE. 'CAUSE I PICTURE SOMETHING COMING IN THAT AREA. YEAH, I HOPE SO. UM, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR WHATEVER REASON, DENIED IT, BUT IT WAS, IT REALLY MET ALL OF OUR CODES. WE AS A COMMISSION COULD GO BACK AND GRANTED NO, WE, WE COULDN'T NO. COULD HAVE TO RE IN THE COURT, THEIR RECOURSE WOULD BE TO YEAH. TO, TO TAKE IT TO COURT MM-HMM . CORRECT? YES. YOU, YOU NEVER OVERRIDE THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION EXCEPT FOR AND A REZONING. YEAH. YOU CAN, UH, IF THEY RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL FOR A REZONING, THEN YOU ALL CAN, I HATE EVEN TO USE THE WORD OVERRIDE, BUT ULTIMATELY REZONING IS YOUR CALL. SURE. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT YOU SUPERSEDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION. BUT UNLESS I'M, UNLESS I'M HORRIBLY MISTAKEN, I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH. THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB. MY ONLY POINT BRINGING IT UP WAS, 'CAUSE USUALLY IT IS A PRIVATE PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY. THIS IS GOING ON, NOT THE CITY. MM-HMM . PLANNING COMMISSION'S ALWAYS BEEN INVOLVED. BUT I JUST WONDERED IF, SINCE IT WAS THE CITY, IF WE HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY THE COUNTY DOES WHEN THEY COME TO US AND THEY CAN OVERRIDE ANY DECISION WE OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES SINCE THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT WE BUILD ON, ARE THEY BUILT ON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, SORRY, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION THAT'S NOT ABOUT THAT, BUT ABOUT THE LEASE, UM, THE FIVE YEAR LEASE, HOW FAR IN ADVANCE WILL THEY TELL US, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA RENEW, JUST SO WE CAN, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA RENEW LEASE, LOOK IN THERE TO SEE ON THE TERM, IS THAT LIKE, DO WE START TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME IN TO REPLACE IT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M YEAH, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S UNLIKELY IF THEY GET IT ALL SET UP. THEY'RE PROBABLY, BUT SO THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS THAT AS LONG AS [00:25:01] THIS, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, THEY CAN KEEP RENEWING EVERYTHING. IT'S AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL UNLESS THE PARTIES DESIRE TO AMEND THE TERMS. UH, TO INTERRUPT THAT, I BELIEVE, JASON, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, TODD DID REMIND ME THAT YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF USE OF THE OPEN SPACE. IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AS PART OF THE OSRD SINCE YOU ALL OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING QUESTION. CORRECT. YES. THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF ASKING. 'CAUSE NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES, IF IT GOES ON SOMEONE'S FARM MM-HMM . MY UNDERSTANDING IS LIKE, SAY SOMEONE HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACRES AND IT COULD BE APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED, BUT IF IT MET ALL THE CRITERIA THAT'S, AND THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY FOR OUR COMMISSION NOW AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS IT'S MADE UP NOW, I'M THINKING OF FUTURE TIMES THAT THERE COULD COME A POINT WHERE IT MET ALL THE CRITERIA AND EVERYTHING AND THE CITY'S GONNA GET IT BACKSIDE SUIT OFF BECAUSE IT WAS DISAPPROVED BECAUSE OF, FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND THEN I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION WA HANDS WEREN'T TIED. BUT NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES, THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED TO APPROVE THAT LAND SPACE. IF IT'S OSRD, IF IT'S OSRD. CORRECT. IF IT'S OS RD. SO BACK ON THE TERM, IT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S THE TENANT'S RIGHT TO, TO ALLOW TO AUTOMATICALLY EXTEND OR THE TENANT'S RIGHT TO INTERRUPT IT. THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DAYS PRIOR TO. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD TELL US ANYTIME BECAUSE THE TERM IS SET UP TO THEIR BENEFIT ON AUTOMATIC RENEWALS. ANYWAY. SO GETTING INTO THAT, I WANT TO, UH, CHANGE OVER. YES. I JUST SAY IT LOOKS LIKE IF THEY DON'T RENEW OR IF THEY, IF IT TERMINATES, THEY HAVE TO CLEAR THE PROPERTY. YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S, YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S TERMINATION PROVISIONS. SO HAVE TO DO RESTORE THEY REMOVE THEIR TOWER AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET SOMEBODY IN TO REPLACE. RIGHT. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S UNLIKELY. YEAH. THE SECOND PART IS A BIGGER QUESTION, I GUESS WOULD DETERMINE HOW GOOD AN OPPORTUNITY IT WAS. AND YEAH, SO EXCUSE ME, GO AHEAD AND HIT THE LEASE TERMS REAL QUICK AND COME BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION ON THE COMPETING IN THE GALAXY THAT'S INTERESTED IN THE SITE AS WELL. SO LEASE AREA IS 1,760 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT THEY WILL NEED TO STAY IN, UM, FOR, FOR ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDING TOWER, EVERYTHING. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY A FIVE YEAR TERM WITH A FOUR AUTOMATIC FIVE YEAR RENEWALS. UNLESS THEY SHOULD CONTACT US AND TELL US THEY WISH NOT TO DO THAT OR UNLESS THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THAT'S ALWAYS A FACTOR. UH, LEASE AMOUNT IS $1,500 INITIAL FEE PLUS 1000. THIS IS, THIS IS A MISSED TYPO I CAUGHT LATER PER MONTH WITH AN ADDITIONAL 200, UH, PER, UH, MONTH FOR EACH ADDITIONAL CARRIER. SO IF IT'S A SINGLE CARRIER, IT'S A THOUSAND PER MONTH. THEY ADD A CARRIER, IT'S 1200. IF THEY HAD ANOTHER CARRIER TO HAVE THREE TOTALS, 1400 PER MONTH, THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK THERE. CERTAIN OTHER, UH, APPLICATION TERMINATION FEES AND WE TALKED ABOUT TERMINATION AND RESPONSIBILITIES. THE TENANT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE TENANT IMPROVEMENT COSTS. UH, WE RETAIN FULL RIGHTS FOR ALL THE TECHNICAL SERVICE NEED, VALIDATION, INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE BASED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE TO SHOW, TO REQUIRE THAT THEY SHOW NEED, HOW THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE NEED, ALL OF THAT. UM, TENANT OF COURSE HAS TO MEET ALL FEDERAL, STATE MUNICIPAL REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO ALLOW, UH, THE CITY TO PLACE ON THE TOWER. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY PROVIDED TO US IN, IN A LANGUAGE INTENDED FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND RELATED ACCESS. UM, IF WE NEED IT, WE MAY NOT NEED IT, BUT, UH, IF, IF, IF WE DO, THEY, THERE'S A SPACE FOR US. YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO INTERFERENCE GOING ON. UH, TENANTS SHOW ADEQUATELY INDEMNIFY THE CITY FOR CLAIMS RELATED TO ALL THE CLAIMS RELATED TO ITS USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT UPON TERMINATION, I'LL REMOVE ALL THE FACILITIES AND RESTORE THE PROPERTY. UM, AND AGAIN, THEY EXECUTE IF YOU EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AS IT IS TODAY. AND, UH, UM, UH, FOR US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE TO GET APPROVAL, ZONING APPROVAL, UH, LAND'S APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A SITUATION THAT SAYS, WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS NO. THE CITY SAYS YES ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU CAN'T OVERRIDE, UH, YOUR LAND USE RULES. YOU ARE IN A BIT OF A CONFLICT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU EITHER HAD TO OR WANTED TO FOLLOW YOUR LAND USE RULES, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AN INDEPENDENT ROLE. THEY'RE NOT STUCK AND WE DON'T GET INTO SOME KIND OF A CONFLICT THERE. SO THAT'S REALLY KEY BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR ARM WHEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION TO VET ALL THE IMPORTANT DETAILS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. AND, AND IT GIVES 'EM THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO COMING, COMING BACK, UM, BEFORE WE GO TO Y ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TERMS? PRETTY, PRETTY STANDARD STUFF. THIS MODEL? UH, WE LOOKED AT THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, THE LAST ONE THAT THEY DID. [00:30:01] UH, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE TERMS. IT SOUNDED GOOD AS KRISTEN'S LOOKED AT 'EM VERY CLOSELY. UM, SO THAT, THIS IS BASED ON THE NEGOTIATION, BUT YOU'LL FIND, IF YOU LOOK UP THE, THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY WHEN, I CAN'T REMEMBER THEIR LOCATION, BUT IT WAS FAIRLY RECENT. UM, THIS LOOKS A LOT LIKE IT. ONE COMMENT, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND OUR DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR FIRST RODEO ON THIS ONE. IT'S OUR FIRST TIME TO USE THIS ORDINANCE AND TO ALLOW THIS TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO OUR DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD AT CLARIFYING THE PROCESS. SO HOW LONG AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS YOU THINK WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE A TOWER THEN? THEY'RE EAGER AND, UH, IN MY COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, THEY HAVE TWO OF THE MAJOR AT TENANTS, UH, LOCKED UP. OH, GOOD. SO THAT'S GOOD. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE CONSIDERED TO BE BASICALLY THREE MAJOR, UH, CARRIERS AND THEY HAVE TWO THAT THEY HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH, UH, UH, COMMITTED TO BE ON HERE. SO THEY SEEM TO BE PRETTY EAGER. SO I DO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE PRETTY QUICKLY. I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIMEFRAME, BUT I I THEY'RE NOT SPECULATIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION TOO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT COMES TO YOU, ARE THEY SPECULATIVE? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE A RACE THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF BEHIND THE SCENES, SOMEONE TRYING TO LOCK DOWN THE BEST PROPERTY AND THEN USE THAT TO LEVERAGE THE TENANTS? OR DO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE TENANTS LOCKED UP? SO, UH, VOGUE, UH, COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE TWO OF THE PRIMARY CARRIERS, PRIMARY TENANTS LOCKED UP. SO THAT TELLS ME THEY SHOULD BE PRETTY READY TO GO. OTHERWISE IT COULD BE A WHILE BECAUSE THEY WON'T SPEND THE MONEY, I DON'T BELIEVE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE TENANTS, UH, AT THIS LOCATION. YOU KNOW, WE GET A LOT OF, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IN YOUR AREA. YEAH. HERE, LET ME HELP YOU THAT FAR AWAY. HEARD THAT IN THERE. RAINTREE FOREST IS WHERE WE HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH. DON'T SEEM TO HAVE IT. WELL, WELL, WELL THIS HELP IN THAT AREA TOO, OR, WELL, GOOD QUESTION. WE, AT THIS STAGE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE COVERAGE MAP, SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL GET AS FAR AS WHERE I AM. I DON'T THINK IT WILL. I THINK THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER OTHER LOCATION FOR WHERE I'M AT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, WISH WE COULD ATTACK AN AREA THAT IS A DESPERATE NEED RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, AND THERE MAY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE, MINE IS GREAT, BUT YEAH, GOVERNORS GREAT AND I LIVE NEAR THAT, SO THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOW THAT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IT IS AN AREA OF DESPERATE NEED. THEY'LL HAVE TO SHOW GENERALLY THAT THEY'RE PRETTY CENTRALLY LOCATED TO ADDRESS THE NEED, TO WHAT DEGREE THEY CAN ADDRESS THE NEED. UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO SHOW ALL THAT. BUT WE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS AN AREA OF DESPERATE NEEDS. SO, YEAH. AND ONE LAST QUESTION, AND I HATE TO ALWAYS BRING UP THESE ODDBALL THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, AND MAYBE TECHNOLOGY HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH BETTER. YOU KNOW, THAT WSM TOWER MM-HMM . SO OFTEN INTERFERES WITH THINGS. IS THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE TWO LOCATIONS GONNA BE A PROBLEM? I WOULDN'T THINK SO BECAUSE I, I, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE'S ALREADY A PRETTY COMMON TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE TOWER, IF THERE IS ANY. IT'S DONE OVER YEARS THAT WE COULD HEAR IT ON OUR PHONES, OUR LANDLINES, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, YOU COULD HEAR THE RADIO FROM WSL WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN OUR HOUSE. WE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND YOU COULD HEAR THE RADIO STATION THING AND WE'RE LIKE, THAT'S INTERESTING. THIS PHONE CALL IS SPONSORED. REMARKABLE. THAT'S RIGHT. I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION AT THIS POINT BY THEM AT LEAST, MAYBE A STRONG TECHNICAL ASSUMPTION THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT WHEN THEY APPLY AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EVALUATION ANALYSIS, THEY'LL NEED TO BE SURE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A GOOD CONCERN. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WOW. YEAH. WELL, THEY, THEY CAME OUT AND I BELIEVE THE, THE TOWER PEOPLE VISITED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO LOOK AT THE SITE MM-HMM . AND I AM SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE WSM TOWER . SO LET ME GIVE YOU THE, THE, THE BROADER CONTEXT THAT LEADS TO, TO, UH, KEN'S QUESTION. SO, UH, RIGHT AFTER WE APPROVED THIS, UH, THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS AND ZONING CODE, AND AGAIN, WE HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH VOGUE BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR, UH, AGREEMENT WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY WAS PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF GET OUR ARMS AROUND THE WHOLE ISSUE. UH, AND, UH, AGAIN, WITH SOME TECHNICAL QUESTIONS IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE'RE ASKING ABOUT, WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT DOES LANGUAGE LOOK LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT I CALL THE PINCH POINTS ON A TOWER? STUFF LIKE THAT. VERY HELPFUL. BUT SO THEY WERE READY. THEN INITIALLY, ONCE WE APPROVED THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE CHANGED TO, TO COME OUT PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A DRAFT AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THIS AND, AND ANOTHER SITE. AND SO, UH, THEN SOON WE STARTED LOOKING AT THAT. WE SAID, LET'S HAVE OUR AGREEMENT LOOK A LOT LIKE, AND IT, IT LOOKED SIMILAR, BUT LOOK A LOT LIKE WILLIAMSON COUNTY. KRISTEN LOOKED AT IT. SO THIS AGREEMENT WAS A FEW WEEKS, QUITE A FEW WEEKS AHEAD OF THE OTHER, THEY DIDN'T COME IN AT THE SAME TIME OR WITHIN THE SAME WEEK. I THINK IF THEY CAME IN THE SAME WEEK, THIS WOULD BE A HARDER QUESTION, BUT IT'S STILL AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION IF YOU WANT IT TO BE. UH, AND SO WE BEGAN WORKING WITH VOGUE BEFORE GALAXY. IT SHOWED [00:35:01] INTEREST, RIGHT? AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT GALAXY OR THE GENTLEMAN I'M WORKING WITH THAT'S CONTACTED ME, THAT'S, I'M WORKING ON THEIR BEHALF. NOTHING GOOD OR BAD TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW. UM, AND THEN THIS, THIS GRIEVANCES PRETTY WELL READY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACING IT ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN WE HAD COMMUNICATION FROM GALAXY AND THEY SAID, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS. AND ANOTHER, RIGHT NOW, NON-COMPETING LOCATION, UH, AT LEAST A SPECIFIC LOCATION'S NON-COMPETING, I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT SERVICE OVERLAP ENTIRELY. UM, AND SO THEY SHOWED AN INTEREST. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BE SURE LAST WEEK THAT YOU WERE AWARE. UH, AND, AND BOTH, BOTH OF THE, UH, COMPANIES THAT CITE THESE TOWERS, VOGUE, AND GALAXY, I'VE KEPT THEM AT THE SAME LEVEL BECAUSE I THINK IN MY ROLE, I NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT I DON'T PROVIDE ONE INFORMATION THE OTHER DOESN'T HAVE. SO THEY BOTH KNOW AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT BOTH KNOW THERE'S AN APPLICATION, OF COURSE VO KNOWS. SO IS GALAXY, THEY BOTH KNOW THE OTHER'S INTEREST. THEY DON'T KNOW OF THE TERMS OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, RIGHT? WE DON'T SHARE THAT. UM, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT, UH, IT, IT APPEARS GALAXY IS SHOWN AN INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FORMALIZED NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT YET, BUT POTENTIALLY, UH, PAYING MORE FOR RENT ON A MONTHLY BASIS THAN WHAT THIS SHOWS. UM, AND SO THE, THE, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT AND THINKING, WELL, HOW DO WE WANT TO GO ABOUT THAT? RIGHT? AGAIN, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TIME BETWEEN THE TWO. THIS ONE WAS FURTHER ALONG. SO I, I CAME IN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF LET'S DO FIRST, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASICALLY FIRST IN, FIRST IN FIRST OUT, IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, UM, . AND SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE THOUGHT THAT YOU HAVE THE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED IN ANY WAY TO DO THAT. YOU COULD DO, YOU COULD, YOU COULD JUST SAY, JASON, THANK YOU, BUT WE WANT TO FRESH, COMPETITIVE, UH, UH, APPROACH ON, ON THE PRICE. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. YOU'RE NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE INHIBITED OR PROHIBITED TO DO THAT. IF WE SHOULD DECIDE TO DO THAT, THEN, THEN I THINK IT FORMALIZES THE WHOLE PROCESS A LOT MORE, RIGHT? BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE KNOW WE HAVE TWO INTERESTED, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE FOUR INTEREST. I DUNNO HOW MANY COMPANIES DO THE SIDING. SO THERE COULD BE OTHERS. I THINK IT MAY, AND I'LL, I'LL LOOK AT KRISTEN A LITTLE BIT HERE AND I SAY, MAY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY SIMILAR TO A TYPICAL REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT WE MAY DO TO OPEN IT ENTIRELY UP. IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD PROBABLY SAY, HERE'S THE STANDARD AGREEMENT. EITHER YOU GO WITH IT OR WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER YOU BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GET INTO APPLES AND ORANGES AND THAT YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT. AND FOCUS IN ON THE PRICE AND IN ESSENCE BECOMES A BIT OF AN OPTION FOR THE SITE FOR THE PRICE. NOW, FROM A PERCENTAGE PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AT LEAST WHAT THEY COMMUNICATED THAT GALAXY COMMUNICATED THEY WOULD PROVIDE VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE HERE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD MODIFY THIS OR NOT. UH, I THOUGHT EARLY ON IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA PRIVATELY TO CREATE A, A PRIVATE, UH, UH, AUCTION PER SE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE RIGHT APPROACH, UH, FOR ME IN MY ROLE. BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR ROLE, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT. IF WE DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, WELL WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? IS IT JUST PRICE? OR ARE WE GONNA LOOK MORE AT COMPANY AND COMPANY REPUTATION? HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE COMPANIES? OR IS IT JUST PRICE? THE MORE FACTORS YOU GET INTO, THE MORE COMPLICATED IT GETS. BOTH TO CREATE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND ALSO FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER IMPORTANT FACTORS JUST PRICE OR ARE THERE OTHER THINGS, THINGS THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE COULD DIFFERENTIATE WITH COMPANIES, WITH THESE COMPANIES. UM, ANYWAY, WE'D PREPARE THAT. WE'D HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO, UH, EVALUATE. AND AGAIN, THESE TWO COMPANIES HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITE ALREADY, OTHER COMPANIES HAVE NOT. SO WE'D HAVE TO GIVE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT SAID, I, I'M INTERESTED TO COME IN AND GO AND LOOK AT THE SAME SITE AND THEN EVALUATE IT AND THEN TIME TO GIVE US THE, THE PROPOSAL AND THEN WE'D EVALUATE THE PROPOSAL, GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU, SCHEDULE FOR A MEETING AND LET YOU ACT ON IT. MY GUESS IS IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST 12 WEEKS TO DO THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. IT ALL DEPENDS ON, ON HOW TECHNICAL AND DETAILED, OR IS IT JUST PRICE? IT ALL DEPENDS ON A FEW FACTORS, BUT AT LEAST 12 WEEKS FROM THIS POINT TO DO THAT. SO WHAT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IS YOU COULD HAVE US DO THAT. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET BOTH OF 'EM IN AND BASICALLY THE SAME WEEK, WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE'VE GOT TWO AT THE SAME TIME. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN BETWEEN. THAT'S WHY THE CURRENT APPROACH IS FIRST IN, FIRST OUT. AND AND THE OTHER FACTOR THERE IS WE KNEW GOING INTO THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S NOT ABOUT BALANCING THE BUDGET. AND, AND EVEN THOUGH THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, IF THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBERS WOULD HOLD, LIKE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. UM, IT'S NOT A BUDGET BALANCER KIND OF THING. IT'S, IT'S NOT. UM, AND OUR FOCUS DOLLARS YEAH. OUR FOCUS. YEAH. IF OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON REALLY HOW CAN WE GET THE ORDINANCE SET UP PROPERLY TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHILE FILLING THESE GAPS IN. AND, AND WHEN YOU FILL A GAP IN ONE AREA, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER TOWER THAT'S GOING IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE DON'T [00:40:01] WANT REDUNDANCY. IT'S WHERE WE HAVE CO-LOCATION. THEY NEED TO BE ON THE SAME TOWER, THE, THE CARRIERS, UM, AND ENHANCE OUR SERVICE. THAT'S BEEN THE GOAL THE WHOLE TIME. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ALL BEHIND WHY WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF YOU IN THIS WAY RIGHT NOW. AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN STAFF'S TIME BECAUSE IF THE PROCESS BECOMES VERY COMPLEX, OUR STAFF COSTS MONEY EVERY MINUTE THEY'RE WORKING. AND IF THEY'RE SPENDING TIME ON THAT, WHAT ELSE ARE THEY NOT SPENDING TIME ON? BUT THAT TIME IS VALUABLE AND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, I CAN ALREADY SEE IT WOULD BE MULTIPLY COMPLEX. IT COULD BE, AND AND AGAIN, IT DEPENDS TO WHAT DEGREE WHAT, WHAT YOU'D REALLY WANNA LOOK AT. UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU SET THAT UP, IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN ANY OTHER CITY OWNED LOCATIONS AND THERE IS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPLYING THAT SAME PROCESS EACH TIME. WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD ALMOST DO A TWO-PRONGED PATH. WE COULD PROCEED WITH THIS MM-HMM . WHILE WE ALSO ESTABLISH A SYSTEM FOR TAKING BIDS ON THIS THING DOWN THE LINE ON OTHER PROPERTIES. 'CAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT WORKS BEST IN THE LONG RUN. MM-HMM . TO HAVE A STRUCTURED MECHANISM THAT PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS HOW YOU APPROACH THE CITY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PUTTING A TOWER ON ANY PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE. YEAH. I THINK YOU RAISED A GOOD POINT AND, AND I THINK ONE OF YOU AT THE GRAY MAY BEEN YOU THAT SAID, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE. THIS IS, THIS IS MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. RIGHT. SO WE E EVEN, WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE HOW MUCH INTEREST WE WOULD GET IN THE BEGINNING. RIGHT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO KNOW WE AT LEAST HAVE TWO, UH, COMPANIES THAT CITE THESE TOWERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. IT'S POSSIBLE WE MIGHT NOT GET MULTIPLE INTEREST ON ANY ONE LOCATION IN THE FUTURE. IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR. WE DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, WE'RE STARTING TO LEARN AS WE GO. I, I'M LIKING THAT. I, I AGREE. AND IF WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE, I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD. BUT I DO THINK IN THE FUTURE WE OUGHT TO OPEN IT UP AND IT SHOULD BE MORE OF A PROCESS. WE MIGHT MAKE MORE MONEY THAT WAY. IT SUCK MONEY WHEN PEOPLE BID ON THINGS. WE'RE USUALLY LOOKING FOR THE LOWEST. YEAH. IT'S, BUT OWN THIS, WE KNOW THE AREAS, BUT WE AS A CITY DON'T IDENTIFY THE SITES. THE COMPANY HAS TO IDENTIFY THE SITE. THAT'S TRUE. AND THEN IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA. SO THAT MAKES IT SOMEWHAT HARD TO THEN PUT IT OUT TO BID WHEN ONE COMPANY HAS DONE ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE AND SPENT ALL THE TIME FIGURING OUT, OKAY, WE COULD PUT IT THERE AND WE COULD MEET ALL THE CRITERIA AND ALL THE TECHNICAL THINGS AND EVERYTHING. SO ONE COMPANY FINDS IT VOGUE MM-HMM . AND GOES ON AND QUICKLY ASSIMILATES IT GIVES US THE PROPOSAL, IT MEETS OUR CRITERIA. NOW WE JUST HAVE TO SEE IF IT MEETS, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL OF CHECKING EVERY BOX. MM-HMM . I THINK IF WE, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE BIDDING ASPHALT SERVICE. RIGHT. AND SO TO ME IT, WE MAY, WE MAY ACTUALLY DISINCENTIVIZE COMPANIES TO COME IN AND SPEND THE MONEY IT TAKE 'CAUSE IT COSTS THEM MONEY TO DO, TO DO ALL THE IDENTIFICATION, FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL IF THEN WE'RE SUDDENLY GONNA OPEN IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE FOR BID. MM-HMM . YOU, YOU RAISED AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE REALLY OUR FOCUS ISN'T ON THIS TYPICALLY ISN'T ON THE ONE SMALL SITE WHERE THE TOWER'S LOCATED, IT'S ON WHERE'S THE BEST LOCATION TO ADDRESS THE COVERAGE. MM-HMM . EFFICIENCY. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND, AND, AND IT, SO IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE DUELING INTEREST IN TWO SITES THAT ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT NOT ON THE EXACT SAME SITES. PERHAPS EVEN BOTH OWNED BY US. MAYBE NOT TO ADDRESS A COVERAGE AREA. YOU COULD RUN INTO THAT TOO. THAT THAT GETS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE THEN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE REALLY IS TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT SERVICE STUFF. BUT THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO HAVE TO GET INTO DEALING WITH THE SERVICE STUFF. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN OVERLAP HERE OF THIS COVERAGE AREA AND THEN ANOTHER ONE COMES IN AND DOES THIS, YOU HAVE A TWO THIRDS OVERLAP, WHICH IS THE ONE YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE. I, I DON'T KNOW. THAT GETS TO BE A VERY TECHNICAL AREA THAT WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN AND BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT, BUT WOULD BE PLACED IT PROBABLY IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AT THE EARLY STAGES, UH, VERSUS JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT, IT CAN GET COMPLICATED. IT CAN, I HAD A QUESTION. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE WILL ONLY SEE IT AS CITY COMMISSIONERS IF IT'S GOING ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO APPLY TO THE CITY FOR BEFORE IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING, COMMISSION, WHATEVER, TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE THERE? SINCE THEY'RE, OKAY. SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH REALLY CAN'T DECIDE ON A BUSINESS PLAN. [00:45:01] BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY A SITE OR NOT A SITE FOR HAVING MULTIPLE TOWERS. LIKE, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE SOME LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TOWERS WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE CITY OR, OR, OR NOT? AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IF WE'RE DOING, JUST FROM OUR OWN STANDPOINT, 'CAUSE I GUESS PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS CAN SET UP THEIR OWN OR WHO THEY'RE GONNA GONNA ACCEPT, BUT DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO SAY, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT ONCE THE APPLICATION IS THIS COMPLETE? BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU, YOU'D HAVE, UH, LIKE GALAXY BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE SEEING LIKE, OH, IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE THAT THEY JUST SAY, WELL WE WANNA PUT ONE HERE. SO THEY, THEY PUT AN INCOMPLETE KIND OF LIKE A PLACEHOLDER ON PROPERTY. YEAH. AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THEM. YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THEM SPECIFICALLY, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. ANY COMPANY THAT SITES COULD DETERMINE AND SAY THERE'S A GOOD SITE, I DON'T HAVE MY CARRIERS LINED UP. YES. I WOULD WANT TO TRY TO GET THAT SITE, THEN I'LL USE THAT TO LEVERAGE TO GET MY CARRIERS. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA ACCEPT IT. SO SPECULATIVE, RIGHT. IF BUT, BUT DO WE CONSIDER THEM WHICHEVER COMPANY THAT WOULD BE FIRST IN BECAUSE THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THEY'RE GONNA SITE THERE? OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL THEY HAVE FULL APPLICATION IN TIME? I, I THINK RECOGNIZING THAT PROCESS CAN OCCUR BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT ON THE FRONT END, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE CARRIER WHAT CARRIERS THEY HAVE LINED UP SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT IF IT'S YOUR SITE. 'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT YOUR SITE, IT'S, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY RELEVANT THERE FOR YOU DIRECTLY. BUT IF IT'S YOUR SITE, UH, THAT WE OWN, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. AT LEAST TO KNOW IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE BOUND BY IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. LIKE RIGHT NOW ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY GO AND MAKE A DEAL WITH THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS ONE ON HER PROPERTY AND SHE GETS $20,000 A YEAR FOR IT. MM-HMM . AND THE CITY WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THAT EXCEPT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER PROVING THE STRUCTURE. AND I THINK GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION OF MULTIPLE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY ISSUE, RIGHT? AND, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A COUPLE OF, UH, APPLICATIONS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO HAVE ONE TOWER SERVE, HOPEFULLY CLOSE TO THE CENTER. NOTHING'S PERFECT, BUT SERVE A GAP, NOT MULTIPLE TOWERS. THAT'S PART OF THE GIVE AND TAKE ON THIS ONE TOWER CO-LOCATION. YOU DON'T WANT MULTIPLE TOWERS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF BUILT INTO THE, UH, CODE. SO THEY WOULD REVIEW AND THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY DO IS THEY NEED TO SEE THE TECHNICAL AREA OF DEFICIENCY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO CONFIRM THAT AT THE COST OF THE APPLICANT. REMEMBER THAT. SO WE CAN VERIFY OR VALIDATE, AND THAT'S THE AREA. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS, IS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? SO IF THIS IS THE AREA AND, AND, AND THEIR LOCATION IS WAY OVER HERE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DOES THAT. YOU NEED TO BE PRETTY WELL ON TOP OF THIS. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE THERE. UM, AND SO, BUT RIGHT NOW I WILL SAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE, I DON'T, I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIMARY CARRIERS BEING LINED UP. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD EITHER 'CAUSE IT'S A LAND USE ROLE, WHEREAS IF IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY, THAT MAY BE A FACT. AND I SAY MAY, IT'S, YOU CAN DECIDE IF THAT'S A FACTOR FOR YOU. IT'S NOT A BAD FACTOR, BUT IT'S, WE CAN HAVE THAT AS A FACTOR IF WE WANT. AND IN THIS CASE THEY DO HAVE TWO PRIMARY CARRIERS LINED UP. THEY'VE INDICATED. AND JUST, UH, JUST TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION, KINDA ALONG THE LINES OF, WE ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING, YOU KNOW, AS ANN OBSERVED, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. I MEAN, THIS CAME UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT OUR COVERAGE. THIS IS A LONG PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH LOOKING ORDINANCES HAS BEEN FEATURED IN MANY COMMUNICATIONS OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, INCLUDING COME UP AT COMMISSION MEETINGS MANY TIMES. UH, I TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT IN THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS AT THE CHAMBER, WHICH WAS ALSO COVERED IN THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW, LAST FALL. UM, APPARENTLY THE FOLKS AT GALAXY MENTIONED THEY'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS ISSUE ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM 'EM UNTIL THIS WEEK AND THEY KIND OF HIT THIS DISMISS. SO WE, WE HEARD FROM 'EM EARLIER THAN THIS WEEK. OH, DID WE? YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS EARLIER THAN THIS WEEK. WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THERE WAS A MULTI-WEEK KIND OF TIMEFRAME IN BETWEEN WHEN WE FIRST HEARD. SO THE GALAXY ONE IS, IS, IS BASICALLY IT'S FULLY REFINED AND READY. WHAT WE HAVE, UH, FROM THEM THAT WE, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN VOGUE WASN'T FULLY REFINED. I'M SORRY. VOGUE. YES. VOGUE. VOGUE IS FULLY REFINED AND READY. SEEMED TO THROW SOME OUT'S JUST A FEW WEEKS BEHIND. SO, YEAH. BUT YEAH, WE DIDN'T JUST HEAR FROM THIS WEEK. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE QUICK. SO YEAH, SO I MEAN I, I APPRECIATE THEIR INTEREST IN GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, IF WE KNOW WE HAVE MULTIPLE COMPANIES INTERESTED IN FUTURE PROJECTS, I THINK THAT'S, AND IT'S POSSIBLE, RIGHT? WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER KIND OF EXACT LOCATION. UM, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND SO WE ANTICIPATE ONE COMING UP. I DON'T, RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY SINGLE INTEREST. UH, AGAIN, IT KIND OF GOES BACK, IS THAT THE BEST LOCATION OR WOULD ANOTHER PROVIDER SAY YOU WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE [00:50:01] DIFFERENT? SO WE, IF WE ONLY HAVE A SINGLE INTEREST IN A LOCATION, THEN THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS OF OPENING IT UP WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW JUST YET KIND OF RELYING ON THEM, IS THAT THE BEST LOCATION OR USING THEIR INFORMATION WHEN THEY SAY WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE BEST LOCATION, SHARING IT WITH THE WORLD AND SAY, NOW LET'S TAKE BIDS ON RENT. RIGHT? I THINK THAT PROCESS IS MORE HELPFUL IF YOU DO HAVE TWO THAT COME IN AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE SAME LOCATION AND CITY OWNED LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK, OH BOY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS? AND THAT'S WHY I SAY THESE DIDN'T COME IN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE QUITE A FEW WEEKS APART, BUT IF THEY HAD COME IN THE SAME WEEK, THE CONVERSATION MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AT THAT POINT. UH, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE HEADING DOWN THE VOGUE TRAIL, UH, QUITE A LONG TIME AHEAD OF WHEN GALAXY THEN CAME IN, UH, AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE INTERESTED AS WELL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE THERE. ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION THAT'S NOT ABOUT THE COMPANIES. UM, IT, THEY WILL CLEAN UP IF THEY DON'T RENEW, UM, THEIR EQUIPMENT. IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM TO GET THAT EQUIPMENT OFF? SO THE NEXT PERSON TO COME IN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND SEE. TELL YOU WHAT, RATHER THAN USE YOUR TIME, CAN I JUST MAKE A NOTE AND SEND THAT? OH YEAH. I'M NOT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST . I JUST SEND YOU AN EMAIL ON THAT ONE. IT'S 30 DAYS. GOT IT. OKAY. 30 DAYS. YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY QUICK. THANK YOU. THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. THANK YOU, . RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, VERY GOOD. CERTAINLY NOT. WE'VE KIND OF ANTICIPATED NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. ALRIGHT. UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF THREE MEMBERS TO THE PARK BOARD. THEN WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AND OTHER NEW BUSINESS NOTICE OF FUTURE APPOINTMENTS OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE LIBRARY BOARD. THAT IS EVERYTHING FOR THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA? CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE AGAIN, JUST IN ONE SENTENCE, EVEN EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION DOES, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND KRISTEN CAN CORRECT ME IF THERE'S SOME NUANCE IN TENNESSEE THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT WHEN SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH THE ASSESSMENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTY FOR PURPOSES DETERMINING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, UH, THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. THEY'LL READ, THEY HAVE A PROCESS TO REVIEW CERTAIN FACTS AND THEN DETERMINE JOHN MAJOR WAS, WHAT'S THAT JOHN MAJOR WAS ON. THAT'S WHO SERVED FOR A LONG TIME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. CAN I JUST ASK, COULD RAY GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE VETERANS MONUMENT? THAT'S A, THAT'S KIND OF AN AGENDA QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I I MEAN, I JUST, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S FINE TO GET A QUICK UPDATE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S THAT DELIBERATION, ANALYZING THE DESIGN STUFF AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING IT TO Y'ALL NAME. YEAH. JUST COME BACK, BE QUICK. MM-HMM. YEAH. QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. YOU READY TO GO INTO THE CIP OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN YOU CAN GO ON CIP WE'LL HAVE TO RUN YOU PRETTY FAST TO GET YOU OUT BY NOON NEXT. YEAH. A QUICK BREAK. YEP. BREAK. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, UH, WE'RE GONNA SPEND PROBABLY A BIT OF TIME ON THE BIG PICTURE, FRONT END STUFF, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BOOK, NOT JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IF IT'S TOGETHER, THIS WONDERFULLY ORGANIZED BOOK. UH, BUT BECAUSE, UH, WE'LL JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH PIECE BY PIECE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT. UM, BUT THE, THE BEGINNING CONVERSATION IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. SO YOU'LL RECALL THIS, THIS, UH, GRAPH FROM LAST YEAR, UH, JAY, WHEN YOU PRESENTED, PUT THIS TOGETHER. AND SO WHAT IT REALLY SHOWS IS, IS THE TOP LINE, THE VERY TOP LINE ON THE REVENUES. AND THE BOTTOM LINE ARE THE, UH, EXPENDITURES, UH, ABSENT THE CAPITAL, THE IN BETWEEN THE YELLOW IS THE, IS THE CAPITAL. AND SO THE WAY WE DO IT HERE, WHICH IN ALL CITIES, ACTUALLY, NOW I'LL GET TO WHY THIS IS A GOOD APPROACH, BUT MOST CITIES, YOU IN, YOU'RE BUDGETING YOUR OPERATIONS AND YOUR CAPITAL. YOU DO, IN ESSENCE, ALL OUT OF THE, THE CURRENT YEAR'S REVENUE. HERE, WE ACTUALLY TAKE WHAT'S LEFT FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. WE BUDGET TO, TO HAVE AN EXTRA, AND THEN WE WILL USE THAT FOR OUR CAPITAL THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A REALLY BAD YEAR, YOU'D HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO ADJUST. SO IT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT REALLY WELL. SO KEEP THAT MONEY. SO THE YELLOW IS THE CAPITAL. AGAIN, THIS GOES TO UP TO 2025. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, EARLY YEARS, NOT, NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT THEN ONCE WE GOT INTO ABOUT, FROM 21 OR REALLY EVEN [00:55:01] 20, BUT 21, YOU STARTED TO SEE THE GROWTH. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT. PART OF THAT, IN THAT TIME ERA WAS, UH, YOU HAD THE, UH, POST ALL THE COVID, POST COVID ERA SPENDING, INFLATION AND SPENDING. SO REVENUES WERE COMING IN REAL STRONG. THERE WAS A, UH, HALF COUNTY, UH, LOCAL, LOCAL SALES TAX THROUGH THE COUNTY THAT STARTED TO COME IN AND YOU HAD TO CHANGE. UH, WE STARTED TO SEE ONLINE SALES COME IN. SO REVENUES REALLY JUMPED UP REALLY WELL. AND SO AS A RESULT, THEN THE, UH, THE EXPENSES WERE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG. GO AHEAD, IF I MAY, CAN I ADJUST THIS MORNING? TOLD JASON, I SAID, YEAH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDING THIS ONE IN THE PERSPECTIVE FROM JANUARY OF LAST YEAR WHEN, WHEN DIFFERENT JD COMMISSION, BUT WHEN WE MET AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THIS ONE, UH, THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS GONNA BE EXPENDITURES ON THIS SIDE IS HOW MUCH WE BUDGET FOR THE LOCAL AND SALES TAX REVENUES. THE TOP LINE IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY COLLECT. THE DIFFERENCE IS BECOMES EXCESS REVENUES FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR THE MAJORITY OF OUR EXCESS REVENUES. AND THAT'S WHAT FUNDS OUR CAPITAL PROFIT. YEAH, SO YOUR EXPENSES DO FOLLOW THAT BOTTOM LINE. YEAH. JAY'S CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BUDGET AMOUNT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CREATE THE MARGIN AND THE MARGIN IS FOR THE CAPITAL. SO YOU'RE END RESULTS GONNA BE PRETTY SIMILAR, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEN IN 22 IT STARTS TO FLATTEN OUT, BUT THE, THE, UH, BUDGETED LINES IS STARTING TO SQUEEZE JUST A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND WE'RE GONNA UPDATE AND SHOW YOU NOW WHERE WE'RE AT THIS YEAR AND IT SQUEEZES A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW THAT, THAT, IN THIS CASE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS OPERATING EXPENDITURE LINE, BUT YOUR RESULTS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME. WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE IS WHAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL. AND YOU SEE THE SAME THING IN, IN THESE YEARS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GROWTH, GOOD GROWTH, STILL PRETTY GOOD. NOW WHAT WE SAW IN, THERE'S ANOTHER FACTOR HERE THAT'S GOING ON HERE. YOU SAW IT START TO NARROW JUST A TOUCH IN THE LAST GRAPH HERE AT NARROWS MORE. AND THEN IT STARTS TO GROW AGAIN. AND THEN WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SALES TAX CHALLENGES. AND SO THAT'S PART OF IT. UH, THE OTHER, AND I'LL, I'LL HIT THAT SPECIFICALLY THAT SPECIFIC SALES TAX CHALLENGE, BUT YOU WILL SEE HERE IN A MOMENT THAT JUST IN GENERAL, THE REVENUES ARE COMING DOWN TO WHAT I WOULD CALL MORE OF A NORMAL TWO TO 3% GROWTH. UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IN THE LONG-TERM FUTURE. AND THERE'S A GREAT SPREADSHEET, FORMULAS AND ALL THAT TO TRY TO DO, LOOK BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROJECT FOR REVENUE. AND ROUGHLY IT'S GONNA BE PLUS OR MINUS TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT IN THE ASSUMPTION. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE. BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A NEW BASE, UH, AS WE SEE THAT. AND YOU WILL SEE HERE THE EXPENDITURES BEFORE THE TRANSFER, WHICH MEANS WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE IS AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL THE FOLLOWING YEAR IS NARROWING QUITE A LOT. THIS LINE, THE GREEN LINE IS STEEPER THAN THE, I GUESS PURPLE LINE. AND THAT'S A LONG-TERM PROBLEM. SO AS I SAY THAT, LET ME FIRST TRY TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SALES TAX. AND I, I WILL HAVE TO TELL YOU, UH, SO I, I DON'T GET IN TROUBLE WITH MY FINANCE FOLKS. WE ARE UNDER LEGAL OBLIGATIONS FROM THE STATE ON WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE REALLY CAN'T DISCLOSE SPECIFIC TO RETAILERS, AS YOU KNOW. UH, AND, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST BECAUSE THEN IT CAN BE CONVERTED TO KNOW PERHAPS WHAT WOULD CONSIDER TRADE SECRETS, CONFIDENTIAL PROPRIETARY INFORMATION. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT. BUT WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE FOUND IS, AND AND WE'RE ABOUT 95% CERTAIN ON THIS WITH OUR CONVERS BECAUSE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE, WE STILL WANT SOME, UH, CONCURRING, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR INFORMATION, UH, FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE. UH, BUT WE THINK IT'S GONNA LINE UP. AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THE RETAILER WAS HANDLING ONLINE TRANSACTIONS. THAT'S WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO. AND THEN IN, IN 24, I BELIEVE, YEAH, 24 CAN GIMME THE DEPOSIT. ON 24, THE STATE PASSED LEGISLATION THAT CLARIFIED DESTINATION BASED APPROACH TO ONLINE SALES. SO THAT MEANS IS THAT WHERE YOU LIVE DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU SPEND IN THE STATE, WHERE YOU LIVE WELL BEYOND THE STATE, BUT WHERE YOU LIVE, THAT ENTITY'S GONNA GET THE BENEFIT OF THE ONLINE SALES TAX. UH, WHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING, IT'S NOT WHERE YOU BUY IT. 24 CREATED THAT. WE KNOW THE, THE RETAILER HAD TO LOOK, ALL THE RETAILERS HAD TO LOOK AT THAT. IF THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. AND THAT ADJUSTMENT IS WHAT'S CAUSED OUR DIP. SO THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH AS I CAN SAY IN A, IN A, IN A PUBLIC MEETING. BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT WE DO, WE DO NOT, IT'S NOT ATTRIBUTED TO AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN ASPECT. THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS, RIGHT? AND WE KIND OF THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE THE STATE'S GROWING AT ABOUT 3.75% AND THOSE AROUND US ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE. SOME OF THAT GROWTH ON THE SALES TAX SIDE IS BASED ON ARE YOU GROWING YOUR SALES TAX ECONOMY, YOUR RETAIL OPTIONS. IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT PROBABLY THREE POINT A HALF TO 4%. WHAT ARE WE GET ANY OF THAT BACK? [01:00:01] NO, WE'LL GET IT BACK. BUT, BUT WE, WE, I THINK WE NOW WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN ENOUGH HISTORY OF THAT IMPACT. WE CAN, WE CAN DETERMINE OUR BASE AND THEN WE SHOULD THEN GROW WITH FROM THE NEW BASE. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A ONE YEAR, I CALL IT ONE YEAR ADJUSTMENT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST THIS YEAR AND IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. AND WE WILL SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT IN JUST A SECOND. AND THEN, THEN WE'RE INTO, UH, HOLD ONE MORE QUESTION ONLINE. LIKE I ORDER MY GROCERIES, THE BALL COLUMN ONLINE MM-HMM . NOT FROM A PRINT WOULD STORE, RIGHT? FROM A PRODUCT LINE STORE. MM-HMM . DO WE GET THE CREDIT, THE SALE STUFF? I BELIEVE WE DO. YEAH. THAT'S THE DESTINATION BASE. I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER ABOUT IT. KEEP ORDERING. SO JASON, IT'S WHERE THE PRODUCT IS DELIVERED OR IS IT THE BILLING ADDRESS OF THE PERSON WHO DOES THE ORDER? I BELIEVE DELIVERY, BUT I, I AGREE. YEAH. BEING DESTINATION BASED, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO EVEN WITH THAT, SO THERE'S THE, THERE YOU SEE IN 26, 27, RIGHT IN HERE, THAT'S THE BASE RESET. AND THEN WE, WE ARE PROJECTING AND BASED ON ALL THE FORMULAS AND THINGS THAT, UH, JAY GETS TO WORK ON HERE, I BELIEVE ON AVERAGE YOU'RE GONNA FIND RIGHT NOW THE ASSUMPTION IN THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD. SO WE TRY TO BE BOTH REALISTIC AND, AND, AND PRUDENT THERE AND SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE IS PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ISH, PLUS OR MINUS ON HOLD. AND YOU'LL SEE SALES TAX DRIVES THAT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS EVEN WITH THAT, OUR, OUR GREEN LINES TOO STEEP COMPARED TO OUR PURPLE LINES. SO LONG TERM, PART OF THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS, IS WE'LL GET PAST THIS BLIP. YOU'VE GOT GREAT FUND BALANCES. WE CAN, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'RE JUST GONNA FIND YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. SOME THINGS HAVE HAD TO BE PUSHED OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT GENERALLY IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OFF STILL ON TRACK. BUT IF OUR FUTURE REVENUES ARE GONNA GROW, SAY BETWEEN TWO AND 3% WITHOUT ANY CHANGE IN RATES IN EXPANSION OF RETAIL OR ANYTHING ELSE, UM, YOU DON'T WANT THAT, IT CAUSES THOSE LINES TO CROSS. SO IF THAT, IF NOTHING CHANGES ON THE REVENUE SIDE, EVENTUALLY WE EITHER HAVE TO BACK OFF ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, WHETHER IT'S OPERATIONS OR CAPITAL AND CAUSE THOSE LINES NOT TO CROSS. 'CAUSE ONCE THEY CROSS, YOU'RE SPENDING MORE THAN YOU HAVE, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE GAP FOR CAPITAL BEING EATEN UP. IT GOES AWAY AT SOME POINT AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA CUT SOMETHING TO DO THAT. SO IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE IN THE PAST, AS YOU SEE, FUND BALANCES ARE TERRIFIC. UM, THEY REALLY ARE AND MORE THAN A GENERAL FUND. AND THAT REALLY HELPS US GET THROUGH THIS. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IN THE, IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE, YOUR 2040 PLAN OR 2030 PLAN UPDATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ECONOMIC VIABILITY QUESTION TO SEE WHAT CAN GET OUT. AND IF WE NEED TO LOOK DEEPER AFTER THAT, WE'LL LOOK DEEPER AFTER THAT. BUT, UH, THERE WILL NEED TO BE FUTURE DECISIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE 'EM TODAY OBVIOUSLY, UH, LONG TERM TO TRY TO KEEP THAT GAP WHERE YOU WANT. SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE WHEREVER YOU SEE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE DAILY SERVICES, THE OPERATIONAL COSTS AND CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW, SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU'RE NOT KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION BY ANY MEANS. WE'RE JUST IN A BIT OF A RESET RIGHT NOW, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION LONG TERM. SO JASON, JUST JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. SO DOES THE, THAT PURPLE LINE, DOES THAT ONLY COME FROM SALES TAX OR JUST IS IT COMES FROM ALL OUR, IT'S ALL REVENUE AND, AND YEAH, IF YOU'RE JUST SHOWING THAT THE, THE, THE PRESSURE THAT THE SALES TAX HAS PLACED ON THAT. YEAH. AND HERE'S THE, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. UM, THESE ARE YOUR TOP SIX COMMENT JUST ON THAT PREVIOUS GRAPH. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF TIME AND AS WE'RE GETTING INTO THE 2040 PLANNING PROCESS. YEAH. SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE, SO YOU STARTED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT RIGHT HERE. YOU STARTED TO SEE SOME FLATTENING OUT RIGHT HERE. AND THIS LINE IS STILL GOING UP PRETTY STEEP. UM, AND, AND THEN WITH THIS GRAPH, YOU'RE SEEING WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE RESET OF, BASED ON THE SALES TAX DISCUSSION, WE JUST HAD THE ONLINE SALES TAX. AND THEN YOU SEE, BUT, BUT EVEN IF YOU GET PAST THE RESET, WE STILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT LONG-TERM GAP. SO, SO AS YOU GO IN, THESE ARE YOUR TOP SIX REVENUES IN YOUR GENERAL FUND, LOCAL SALES TAX, THE PROPERTY TAX, THE STATE SHARED SALES TAX, THE BUSINESS TAXES, WHICH IS A STATE TAX, UH, WHOLESALE LIQUOR TAX AND HOTEL TAXES. AFTER THAT, THEY REALLY DROP OFF. THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY CARRY EVERYTHING. AND SO YOU'LL SEE ACTUAL 25 LOCAL SALES TAX WAS ABOUT ALMOST 33 5, 30 3 MILLION, 500,000. A LITTLE SHY OF THAT. THE ESTIMATED FOR THIS YEAR IS 32 5. THAT'S OUR RESET. WE'RE IN THAT RESET RIGHT NOW. WE'VE HAD IT LONG ENOUGH. WE CAN, WE CAN ESTIMATE AND GROW. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE INITIALLY PROJECTING, WE'RE STILL FINALIZING WHETHER WHAT WE WANT THAT TO BE, BUT IS AT 2.5% GROWTH RATE FOR THAT SALES TAX. UH, AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US A PROJECTED, UH, NEXT YEAR BUDGET SALES [01:05:01] TAX OF 33 3, WHICH, UH, IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS WHERE WE WERE IN 25. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT GENERALLY IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS IN 25. SO, UM, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE NET GROWTH FROM 32.5, BUT 32.5 WE HAD TO GO DOWN AND ADJUST. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS, WHICH WE ARE, I I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S, IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LONG TERM GROWTH OF BOTH REVENUE AND EXPENSE SIDE. WHAT IS STATE SHARED SALES TAX? I'M SORRY, WHAT'S WHAT? WHAT IS STATE SHARED SALES TAX? IS THAT CARS AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD, UH, GOOD GASOLINE TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LIKE THERE, HOW DOES, UM, MONTHLY WE GET A DISTRIBUTION FROM THE STATE AND IT'S, UM, BASED ON, ON OUR POPULATION. SO THE TAX THAT THE WHERE, OKAY, WE GET A PORTION OF THAT. YEAH. WHEN WE DID THE, OKAY, LOCAL LOBSTER IS ONLY A PART OF THE WHOLESALE TAX THAT YOU PAY. IT'S ONLY THAT 2.75% THE REST OF THE STATE SHARED HOW MANY YEARS IT BEEN SINCE WE QUIT GETTING THE HALLS TAX. WE WERE GETTING A TINY LITTLE AMOUNT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THERE. YES. AND I THINK, UH, MAYBE JUST LAST YEAR WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT ZERO. THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK WE'VE DONE WELL. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE HUGE, WHAT YOU SAW AT ONE TIME, ONE. YEAH. AND IT TIMED WITH THAT INCREASE IN SELF TAX COLLECTIONS, IF YOU REMEMBER DO WITHOUT THAT. I WAS REALLY LUCKY. YEP. SO SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE HERE IS, AGAIN, THE STATE, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE STATE SALES TAX, IT INCLUDES THE BOOMING AREAS, IT INCLUDES THE POORER RURAL AREAS. IT'S A MIX OF THE WHOLE STATE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AT 3.75% GROWTH AND THEY'VE BEEN HOVERING BETWEEN 3.75 AND PROBABLY FOUR FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE NOT YET SEEING ANY BIG STATEWIDE DROP OFF THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT AS WE PROJECT OUR SALES TAX. SO RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE 2.5% IS PROBABLY ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE WANNA BE CONSERVATIVE. WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT DO WE ADJUST THAT A LITTLE BIT? I WOULDN'T EXPECT PUTTING IT AT 3.75 FOR SURE, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE UP THAT MUCH MONEY, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT A BAD NUMBER. THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER TO KNOW. AND THAT HELPS US AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT FINAL. BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS BASED ON 2.5% BUSINESS TAXES. AGAIN, 3.5%. THAT'S A STATE TYPE TAX. THEY, A FEW YEARS AGO, WASN'T TOO LONG AGO, THEY REDUCED THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. SO IT'S A LESSER REVENUE SOURCE TO RELY ON THEM BEFORE. BUT AGAIN, IT, IT IS BASED ON, I BELIEVE IT'S BASED ON, UH, KIND OF A RETAIL TYPE TAX AS WELL, ISN'T IT? YES. AND DEPENDING ON THE CLASS OF THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO YOU'D EXPECT IT TO BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE GROWTH PERCENTAGE OF THE STATE SHARED. NOT EXACTLY, BUT CLOSE. SO THOSE ARE BOTH PRETTY GOOD SIGNS ABOUT WHERE THE STATE IS, WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE A COMMUNITY AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING NEW RETAIL DESTINATIONS THAT ARE BRINGING IN EXTRA DOLLARS OR, OR SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BRINGING IN A LOT MORE PROPERTY TAX OR WHATEVER THAT IS, IF YOU'RE JUST KIND OF STABLE, UM, THOSE NUMBERS KIND OF GIVE YOU, UH, HELP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHERE TO SHOOT FOR GENERALLY AS A BASELINE. WHOLESALE LIQUOR TAX, 2.5%, HOTEL TAXES, 2.5% IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. HOTEL TAXES COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. SO, UM, I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH OUR CVB IN FRANKLIN BECAUSE THEY TRACK FOR THE CITIES OF, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE ALL THE DATA. SO YOUR AVERAGE DAILY RATE, YOUR OCCUPANCY RATES, ALL THOSE THINGS, THEY HAVE THAT. AND SO THAT INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFUL FOR US. IT'LL ALSO BE HELPFUL FOR US AS WE LOOK AT TRENDS, UH, AND, AND, AND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC VITALITY PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND WE THINK ABOUT WHERE HOSPITALITY FITS IN. SO THAT'S, YOU HAVE NEW HOTEL OPENINGS MM-HMM . WHAT'D YOU SAY? DO HAVE A NEW HOTEL OPENING? YEP. OH YEAH. SO YEAH. AND SO REALLY IT'S TWO THINGS REALLY. DO YOU HAVE THE ROOMS AND WHAT'S YOUR DEMAND AND HOW FULL ARE THEY? AND ARE THEY FULL ENOUGH? AND WHAT'S THE RATE COMPARED TO THE SURROUNDING AREA? WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN DEMAND GOES DOWN, YOU'LL SEE 'EM BRING THE PRICES DOWN AND THAT'S THE AVERAGE DAY THE RATE OR A DR GOES DOWN, THAT'S USUALLY A PRETTY BAD SIGN. IT CAN VARY A LITTLE BIT THROUGH THE YEAR TOO, SO YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT UP. BUT, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU HAVE A STRONG DEMAND, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR MORE HOTELS, YOUR RATES STAY AT A PRETTY HEALTHY, UH, POSITION. YOUR OCCUPANCY RATES ARE PRETTY HIGH, IT ALL KIND OF DRIVES THAT. SO, BUT THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE MAJOR GENERAL FUND, UH, UH, REALLY YOUR MAIN ENGINE THERE FOR. OKAY, SO WHAT WE'LL DO, ONE THING WE ADD A LITTLE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SLIDE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE PAGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER TO ALSO STATE THEM, BUT WE'RE GONNA START FLIPPING THROUGH THE BOOK NOW, BEFORE WE DO THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BIG PICTURE KIND OF REVENUE, UH, SIDE OF IT? I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. SO HOW MUCH, SO WITH THAT OUTLOOK WE HAVE OF REVENUE BEING FLAT POSSIBLY, DO WE HAVE A FORMULA OF HOW MUCH SHOULD WE EXTRA, SHOULD WE SAVE, ESSENTIALLY PUT INTO SOME SORT OF SAVINGS ACCOUNT? OR ARE WE MORE DRIVEN BY WHAT EXPENDITURES WE [01:10:01] HAVE? WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, WE, YEAH. ONE OF THE WAYS JAKE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE, SO I MAY TIP IT OVER TO YOU, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING FROM A CASH BASIS. AND SO WHAT WE HISTORICALLY DO IS WHEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS, EQUIPMENT, PROJECTS, WHATEVER, GENERALLY WE START TRYING TO SAVE FOR THOSE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S A, A SYSTEM TO TRY TO DO THAT. SO I THINK YES, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AND THE IMPACT THAT REVENUE WOULD HAVE AND WHAT OUR GAP WOULD BE CERTAINLY GOOD ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT GAP. SO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE IN HERE, UM, REFLECT THAT. I MEAN, ARE, ARE WE, I GUESS A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT IS IF LIKE, THIS WAS YOUR HOUSE, THIS IS YOUR HOUSEHOLD ACCOUNT, YOU'D BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY SAVE 10% WHATEVER YEAR, BUT WE NOW NEED TO SAVE 12.5%. SO DO WE SEE A REFLECTION OF, OF A SIMILAR PLAN IN OUR BUDGET? NOT IN THIS, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE THE WHAT THE WHAT THE BOOK, OTHER THAN WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, REALLY THE BOOK REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE PROJECTS AND HOW THEY'RE ALLOCATED AND THE, THE FUNDING SOURCES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO YOU REALLY WON'T SEE THAT IN THE BOOK. BUT GIVEN THAT WE THINK WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT FROM THE SALES TAX PERSPECTIVE IN, IN THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, HAVE THAT WE DO TRACK WHAT WE NEED TO SAVE FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND OUR EQUIPMENT AND STUFF, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT AND SAY, OKAY, AND YOU'RE, AND RATHER THAN, I MEAN THAT GRAPH IS, IS KIND OF SHOWS IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. 'CAUSE YOU COULD SEE WHERE YOU THINK YOU NEED TO BE, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT OUR DEFICIENCY WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE WE WOULD NEED. PART OF IT THOUGH IS WHERE THE OPERATING BUDGET IS COMPARED TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET TOO. WATER RULE, DON'T WE ABOUT HOW MUCH UP OF THE YEARLY BUDGETS AT 40% OF THE YEAR'S BUDGET WE, THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO, TO MAINTAIN IN CASE AND THE RESERVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND POLICY TARGET? YES. THAT THE ONLY RULE I KNOW OF, YEAH, IT'S A POLICY, IT'S PART OF YOUR FINANCIAL POLICY IS TO HAVE AT LEAST 40% AND WE'RE OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? BUT THAT'S THE MINIMUM WE SET UP. AND WE'RE GONNA CARRY, WE'RE GONNA CARRY OBVIOUSLY UNTIL WE GET WHATEVER THE, HOPEFULLY THE FULL 75% OF FEMA REIMBURSEMENT AND HOPEFULLY GET 12 POINT HALF FROM THE STATE, WE'LL SEE ON THAT, UH, FOR THE WHOLE LIMB PICKUP. SO WE'RE GONNA CARRY THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. YEAH. BUT YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, YOU HAVE SOME OTHER FUNDS IN THERE THAT HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY FUND BALANCES. AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA HELP US AS WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT WAS, THERE'S SOME, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME MOVEMENTS, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S NOT JUST SAYING OUT, OUT, OUT FOR THE MOST PART, FOR MOST THINGS. UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE CHALLENGE AREAS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE. ONE THING. YEP. SO EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR, OUR FUNDING PLAN FOR HOW PROJECTS GET FUNDED. AND SO WE'VE GOT A SEPARATE SPREADSHEET WHERE WE'RE TRACKING OUR ACCUMULATION OF MONEY THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, WHERE WE'RE SQUIRRELING AWAY MONEY EVERY YEAR. AND THEN WE GO DO THE OLD SMYRNA ROAD PROJECT. WE GO DO SPLIT LOG ROAD, YOU KNOW, THREE A, UH, MAY HAVE TO ADD SOME BOND FUNDS. SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF RESHUFFLE THAT DECK EVERY TIME AND IT'S CAUSED US TO DEFINITELY RESHUFFLE THINGS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE CIP WHERE SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND AND PUSHED OUT OUR ABILITY TO SAVE MORE. IT'S GONNA BE THE OPPOSITE. MM-HMM . THOSE YEARS OF SAVINGS ARE GOING TO HELP US, BENEFIT US WITH THE REDUCED EXCESS REVENUES THAT WE HAD COME TO RELY ON, AS YOU SAW THAT SORT OF HUMP IT, IT WAS ENABLING US TO, TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, 10, 11, $12 MILLION EVERY YEAR IN EXCESS REVENUE SO WE COULD PUT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SO THAT NUMBER'S STARTING TO DRY UP. SO WE HAVE TO THEN STRETCH THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND RESHUFFLE THE DECK AND PROBABLY LOOK AT SOME ADDITIONAL DEBT, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE PROJECTS HAPPEN. SO IT IS CAUSING US TO, UM, RE-LOOK AT THE WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS AND THE TIMING OF THOSE PROJECTS. WE HAD 'EM STACKED UP PRETTY GOOD ROAD PROJECTS AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE 'EM OUT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE. YEAH. YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU, YOU HAD A, A VERY AGGRESSIVE APPROACH ON BIG ROAD PROJECTS AND WITH THE RESET, AS JAY MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPREAD 'EM OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING YOU CAN'T DO 'EM, BUT, BUT WE STILL DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A SIGNIFICANT, UH, BIGGER. YEAH. SO, OKAY. UH, THE, UH, INTRODUCTION, THE MEMO THAT INTRODUCES AND GIVES YOU KIND OF A WHOLE SYNOPSIS, UH, AND NARRATIVE OF THE PLAN IS ON PAGES FOUR TO NINE. I'M NOT GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HIT THE PIECES OF THAT AS WE GO. BUT IF YOU WANT THEM LATER TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT'LL HELP SORT OF GIVE YOU THE SYNOPSIS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS. A QUESTION, THE, UH, MONEY MARKET RESERVE, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IS THAT HELD IN, UM, MONEY MARKET INSTRUMENTS OR WHERE, HOW IS THAT HELD? IS THAT JUST IN THE BANK? IT IS CURRENTLY HELD AT PINNACLE BANK AND AN OPERATING ACCOUNT, EARNING INTEREST, EARNING INTEREST, UM, ON A, UM, WE ISSUED AN RFP. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATE. WE ARE VERY LIMITED BY STATE LAW, [01:15:01] SO WHAT WE CAN INVEST IN. SO THEY HAVE TO, IT, IT HAS TO BE INCREDIBLY CONSERVATIVE INSTRUMENTS THAT WE INVEST IN. OKAY. AND IT IS INTEREST EARNING? YES. ? YES. ALRIGHT. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK ABOUT WHAT IS THE INTEREST RATE ON THAT CASH AT THIS POINT, SIR? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR ABOUT WHAT THAT INTEREST RATE IS ON THAT CASH AT THIS POINT? I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK IT UP, BUT IT HAS DROPPED TWICE IN RECENT TIME, BUT THE THIRD TIME WE WERE EXPECTING IT TO DROP IT DID NOT ROUGHLY WHAT? IT'S TIED TO THE FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT? YEAH. WHICH IS, IT'S TIED TO THE FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU GET A CHANCE IF YOU HAD JUST DROP ME A QUICK EMAIL OR SOMETHING LATER JUST TO TELL ME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT FLOATS, IT'S TIED TO A RATE, BUT I JUST TRYING TO GET JUST A GENERAL IDEA ABOUT WHAT IT IS. LET ME LOOK THAT UP TO BE SURE WITH YOU. OKAY. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE THE DAY WHEN WE'D SPEND TWICE AS MUCH ON TECHNOLOGY. I MEAN, FROM MY EARLY DAYS ON THE COMMISSION AS WE DID ONLINE, I NEVER THOUGHT, AND IT IS SAME, I MEAN, BUT WE DEPENDENT ON IT THAT WE ARE SO DEPENDENT. YES. SO OVERALL IN THE, THE, THE TOTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR ALL FIVE YEARS IS, UH, $166,865,000. AND, UH, THIS SHOWS YOU THE BREAKDOWN AND WE'LL GET INTO THESE CATEGORIES, BUT, UH, IT SHOWS YOU THE BREAKDOWN. 41% UTILITIES, UM, UH, 38% TRANSPORTATION. UH, GENERAL FACILITIES IS ABOUT 12 TECHNOLOGY, ABOUT SIX PARKS AND REC, ABOUT FOUR. THERE'S A LITTLE SLIVER OR A DRAINAGE AND WE'LL TALK MORE. WE, WE WE'RE GONNA BE CHALLENGED FOR DRAINAGE IN THE FUTURE ABOUT $70,000 DRAINAGE. YEAH. STORM DRAINAGE. YEAH. AND THEN, UH, BY SOURCE, UM, MOSTLY LOCAL DOLLARS. OUR DOLLARS TAX DOLLARS, 61.6%, UH, BOND NOTE PROCEEDS ABOUT 30, UH, AND HALF PERCENT, UH, INTERGOVERNMENTAL 7.87 WITH OUR INCOMES, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES CAN. SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A PRETTY LOW PERCENTAGE. AND THEN AGAIN, STORM DRAINAGE, UH, ABOUT 70,000 THERE. OKAY. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. UH, GOING BACK TO THE CHART AND THE AMOUNT FOR CAPITAL, WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS, UH, WE WILL TRANSFER FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES INTO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, WHICH IS CPF FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND, WHICH IS THE FMF AND THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. AND, UH, THIS RIGHT NOW SHOWS WHAT WE ARE ALLOCATING FOR THE TRANSFERS OF THOSE FUNDS. IT'S A TOTAL OF ABOUT $4.6 MILLION. AND THAT IS LOWER, UH, THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN PRIOR YEARS. AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO RELY JAY ON YOUR MEMORY A LITTLE BIT ON HOW MUCH LOWER, BUT IT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE MILLION. OH, WELL WE, WE WERE UP IN THE $10 MILLION RANGE, SO, UM, WHEN WE HAD THE REVENUES TO DO THAT WITH. NOW, ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT TOO, AND YOU'LL SEE IT LATER IN YOUR BOOK, IS THIS, THAT'S NOT IN THERE. NO, NO, NO. A YEAR IN TRANSFER IS SOMETHING WE BRING TO YOU, UH, IN, IN JUNE THAT, THAT YOU ADOPT AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENT. AND THAT'S JUST GIVING YOU A, UM, FORECAST OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE ARE GONNA, WE ARE RELYING A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS YEAR ON EXISTING FUND BALANCES AND SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE WELL ABOVE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, WHICH IS GOOD. IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY IN FUNDING SOME OF THE CAPITAL. SO THIS IS NOT YOUR ONLY SOURCE, BUT IT DOES SHOW YOU HOW THE IMPACT OF THE REVENUES IS, IS GUIDING THE AMOUNT THAT'S ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM THESE SOURCES OVER INTO THOSE FUNDS AND FROM THE OTHER SOURCES. RIGHT. SO SOME, JUST SOME GENERAL INFORMATION HERE FOR, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IN, UH, FISCAL YEAR 28, 5 MILLION IN GO BONDS. I THINK THAT WAS ALREADY PRE-PLANNED, WASN'T IT, JAY? SOMEWHERE IN THAT YES. PROCESS, THERE'S A $5 MILLION BOND ISSUE. UH, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A CHANGE. UH, ABOUT HALF OF THAT FOR MCEWEN AND ABOUT HALF FOR OLD SMYRNA. UH, AND 28 ALSO 40 MILLION. AND, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS WITH A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT 40 MILLION WATER SEWER BOND ISSUE FOR SEWER SYSTEM CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BIG CHANGE THERE. AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO EQUALIZATION TANK NUMBER TWO. AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THE CURRENT ESTIMATES FOR THAT ARE NOT GOING DOWN. THEY'RE GOING UP AND THEY'RE CRAZY HIGH. WE'LL, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET THERE. UH, 2031, ABOUT A 10 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BOND, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ISSUE FOR SPLIT LOG PHASE THREE. IT'S A BIG, BIG PROJECT. AND SO THAT KIND OF LAYS THAT OUT. UH, THERE, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THAT? JUST WE DID MODEL WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAD, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL DEBT ADDED ONTO THAT. OF COURSE, YOU GOTTA ADD THE DEBT SERVICE, YOUR ABILITY TO FUND THE DEBT SERVICE. AND SO WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FORMULAS AND THE ONE THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE CIP WE THINK IS THE MOST, UH, REASONABLE APPROACH TO THE COMBINATION OF CASH [01:20:01] FUNDING AND DEBT FUNDING THE PROJECTS AS WELL AS MOVING THEM OUT. YEAH. THAT GOES INTO BEING ABLE TO BALANCE THESE FIVE YEARS. BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A REALLY SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN, IN THE DEBT EXPECTATIONS. UH, I BELIEVE EVEN PRIOR TO THAT WITH THE RACT FACILITY, THERE WAS ASSUMPTION OF SOME DEBT WITH THAT. IT JUST TRANSFERS BACK OVER TO OTHER PROJECTS NOW. BUT THE, THE POINT I THINK IS A GOOD ONE TO MAKE IS THAT YOU CANNOT RELY WHEN YOU GET PAST THESE YEARS INTO THE NEXT FIVE AND THE NEXT FIVE, YOU CAN'T RELY ON DEBT TO JUST FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE AS JAY MENTIONED, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THAT, RIGHT? IT'S, THAT'S A LOAN. AAA, UH, BOND RING'S GREAT. YOU CAN GET PRETTY DECENT INTEREST RATES STILL, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT OFF WITH INTEREST. AND THERE'S A BALANCE OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WITH CASH FLOWS. AND MAKE A COMMENT, I GUESS FOR, FOR Y'ALL AS WE'RE DOING IT. AND I GUESS RAY AND ANN AND KEN, IF YOU WANNA ADD TO IT OR CORRECT ME PLEASE, BUT I, I THINK OF THE, THE BOND ISSUES ARE LONG TERM DEBT THE SAME WAY I'M THINKING ABOUT A MORTGAGE AND A HOME IN THE SENSE THAT I DON'T MIND A MORTGAGE ON A LONG TERM ASSET, BUT LIKE, I WOULDN'T USE A MORTGAGE TO BUY A JET SKI. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, WITH, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, 'CAUSE I, AND I BRING THIS UP JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK AT THE COUNTY ELECTION LEVEL RIGHT NOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE PROMOTING A PAY AS YOU GO APPROACH TO THIS. AND IT'D BE VERY EASY IF SOMEONE SAY, HEY, WHY DOESN'T BRENTWOOD JUST PAY AS YOU GO? AND I SUPPOSE WE COULD, BUT LIKE FOR $10.6 MILLION TO, TO DO SOME ROAD WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IF WE DECIDE TO PAY AS YOU GO, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE US TO ACCUMULATE THAT MONEY AND THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE PAYING INTO THAT MONEY DON'T GET THE USE OF THE ROAD OR BY ISSUING THE BOND FOR A ROAD AS A DECADES LONG USABLE LIFE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE ROAD IN PLACE WHILE WE'RE LETTING THE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE USING THE ROAD ALSO PAY TAXES AND HELP FUND THAT BOND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ROAD. SO IT KIND OF MATCHES THE COST AND THE USE OF THE ASSET TOGETHER FOR A LONG-TERM ASSET WITHIN REASON. THERE'S AN EQUITY ASPECT OF IT TOO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO WITH THE MONEY OR DEBT OR WHATEVER. AND THAT IS IN THE FACT, EVEN IF WE NEVER BUILT ANOTHER NEW HOUSE IN BRENTWOOD, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOVE IN TWO YEARS LATER, FIVE YEARS LATER, 10 YEARS LATER, 20 YEARS LATER. AND BY DOING A 20 YEAR BOND OR EVEN A FIVE YEAR BOND, PEOPLE WHO WILL USE THOSE ROADS WILL HELP PAY FOR THOSE ROADS THEY USED. 'CAUSE THEY'LL BE PAYING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON THAT ROAD. A ROAD'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE, AND SO IF TOMORROW WE SUDDENLY, AND I'M NOT GONNA USE THE WATER SEWER BECAUSE THAT'S AN ENTERPRISE FINE, AND THAT GETS A, A WHOLE DIFFERENT AREA. WELL LET'S SAY THE ROADS WERE $40 MILLION. IF WE PAID AS WE WENT, THEN SUDDENLY WE AS A COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO, WHATEVER THE AMOUNT WOULD BE, OH, OKAY, WELL EVERY BROKE CITIZEN WE'RE GONNA ASSESS YOU 500 OR $800 TO BUILD THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO NEXT YEAR. AND ONE, I DON'T THINK MOST CITIZENS WOULD SUDDENLY LIKE THAT SURPRISE. BUT, BUT TWO, THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE IN 2026 WILL ALL SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF A ROAD THAT WILL STILL BE USED IN 30 36. I MEAN 20 36, 20 46, 20 56 OR WHATEVER. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE DEBT. AND I WAS BLESSED FROM FIRST AND COMMISSIONER, I HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE EXPLAINED THAT TO ME BECAUSE BEING IN BUSINESS, BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE ABOUT DEBT, I WAS REAL CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BUT THEY SAID, ACTUALLY IT, IT HELPS AND IT ALSO HELPS IN YOU. YOU LIKE, IF OUR DEBT PAYMENT IS $800,000 A YEAR OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR BOTH THE PRINCIPAL AND THE INTEREST AND FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, IT ACTUALLY HELPS US KNOW WHAT WE, WE CAN ALREADY PLAN ON. THAT AMOUNT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE 'CAUSE IT'S A BOND AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT IT, TO ME, THE EQUITY ISSUE WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN MY MIND AND GRASPING WHY DEBT IN THIS SENSE IS GOOD, BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE BY STATISTICS THAT I WON'T BE HERE IN 2046. SO, UH, I MAY NOT BE USING THAT ROAD. AND SO IJI JUST, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT KIND OF HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, WE, WELL, LIKE THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, THAT WAS A DEFINITIVE NEED. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. IT NEEDED AS THE CITY, IT'S $30 MILLION. I SIGNED THE $20 MILLION IN BOND. I THINK IT'S STILL THE RECORD OF THE LARGEST [01:25:01] BOND ISSUE WE'VE EVER HAD ON A SINGLE PROJECT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WAS VERY SOBERING TO ME. 'CAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND WE PAID BASICALLY $10 MILLION FROM CASH I, YOU KNOW, FROM FUND BALANCE. BUT OUR CITIZENS PROBABLY 70 YEARS FROM NOW WILL STILL HAVE BENEFIT FROM THAT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AND SO TO ME THAT MADE SENSE. AND THOSE WERE 20 YEAR BONDS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. SO, SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WELL 20 YEARS FROM 2017 I GUESS, OR 2019, UM, THAT WILL ALL BE PAID OFF, BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT FOR 50 YEARS. SO TO ME, THE EQUITY OF OF GOVERNMENT DEBT WHEN USED PROPERLY AND FOR APPROPRIATE THINGS, NECESSITIES, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. YEAH. YEAH. GO AHEAD. LAST TIME WE, LAST TIME WE ISSUED BONDS TOO. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK IT FROM HERE. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, OUR BONDS WENT LIKE THAT. I MEAN, REMEMBER THERE, THERE WERE MINUTES AND IT WAS, IT WAS A DONE DEAL. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD GO ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE'D SEE ALL THIS MAN, PEOPLE LIKE OUR FINANCIAL HISTORY. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY SEE IT AS THE FINANCIAL FUTURE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY BUILDS FOR A FUTURE THAT WAY TOO. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT. AAA MEANS SOMETHING. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, GENERALLY FROM A LOCAL GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU WOULD USE BONDS. ONE, YOU GET A GOOD INTEREST RATE. AND WHEN YOU'RE HEALTHY AND HAVE AAA, UH, RATING ON YOUR BONDS, THAT HELPS YOU TO GET THE BEST INTEREST RATE. YOU WOULD USE THEM GENERALLY FOR REALLY LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT, THAT IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG TO SAVE FOR IT SO THAT YOU CAN EQUALIZE AND MAKE IT MORE FAIR ABOUT WHO'S PAYING FOR WHO, THE PEOPLE PAYING OR USING IT. UM, AND YOU DON'T GO CRAZY WITH IT, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT NOW SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE BOND ISSUANCES IS A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT A LOT. WHAT I WOULD ALWAYS TELL FOLKS IS THAT AAA BOND RATING, YOU WILL NEVER FIND ANY ENTITY SMARTER OR MORE CRITICAL OF YOUR FINANCIAL, UH, POSITION THAN A BOND RATING AGENCY. YOUR MOODY'S AND THE OTHERS, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE AAA, THEY'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, THEY'VE LOOKED AT YOUR ECONOMY, THEY'VE LOOKED AT YOUR REVENUES, YOUR TRENDS, THEY'VE LOOKED AT YOUR DEBT LOAD. THAT'S A BIG PART OF THAT. THEY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS KNOW IS WE WANNA KEEP OUR AAA. SO WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA KEEP THE, THE DEBT, UH, LOAD DOWN FOR A LOT OF REASONS, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THEM. 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE THAT AAA IS VALUABLE. BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE THE AAA, YOU'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. SO YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, UH, SWITCHING INTO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE EVEN IN FUTURE YEARS AS A REALLY HIGH BOND ISSUANCE KIND OF TIME. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT. IT'LL BE BALANCED. MM-HMM . IT'LL BE SOMETHING YOU CAN AFFORD. IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE WITH YOUR FINANCES. SO, BUT, AND IT WILL BE FOR BIG PROJECTS. THE FUNNY THING IS, IS PEOPLE, THEY SEE WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUES DEBT TO SURVIVE. YEAH. YOU'RE PAYING A FIFTH OF YOUR BUDGET ON INTEREST. THAT'S HUGE. RIGHT? AND SO THEY DON'T REALIZE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, EVEN STATE GOVERNMENTS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS, REASONABLE TERMS, GOOD INTEREST RATES, THAT TYPE OF THING. YOU'D NEVER, EVER, EVER SEE, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS 'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE ONE OUT THERE. BUT A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TYPICALLY USED THAT FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES THAT YOU, YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. AND IF YOU TRIED YOUR BOND RATING AGENCIES WOULD KEEP YOU FROM DOING IT ANYWAY. COULDN'T DO IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL IF YOU HAVE A BIG RESERVE, YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO BORROW ANYTHING. BUT I SEE THE RESERVE FOR OPPORTUNITIES. IT GIVES THE SLIGHT FRANKLIN ROAD AND SOME OF OUR OTHER ROADS WITH THE STATE BECAUSE WE PAID FOR ENGINEERING COSTS UP FRONT. MM-HMM . WE GOT TO THE HEAD OF THE LIST. WE HAPPENED TO HAVE THE MONEY SITTING THERE THAT WE COULD DO THAT. UM, OUR, WHEN A FIRE TRUCK HAS TO BE REPLACED, SUDDENLY WE'VE GOT THAT MONEY SITTING THERE AND EVEN GETTING THIS CONTRACT FOR CLEANUP, WE HAVE THE MONEY IF FEMA DIDN'T COME BACK MM-HMM . SO WE COULD GO OUT EARLY ON, NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD PAY FOR IT OR NOT. SO I SEE THAT AS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RESERVE FUND. UH, AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN I WAS JUST READING ANOTHER THING THAT WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A YEAR'S DEBT RESERVE IN THE FOR COVERAGE AND THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY. IT IS. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE RESERVE. AND, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT TYPICALLY. SO THAT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY TOO. IT'S NOT ALWAYS A NEGATIVE WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL YOU'VE GOT IT. YOU NEED TO BE SPINNING IT INSTEAD OF BORROWING. THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRADE OFFS IN ALL. AND ON THAT POINT THERE'S SEVERAL, THERE'S NEEDING ANY THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T ISSUE BONDS TO PAY FOR. SO I IMAGINE THE DEBRIS PICKUP, [01:30:01] I MEAN IF WE SUDDENLY WENT, THE RATING AGENCY WOULD PROBABLY LOOK REALLY FUNNY. LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO ISSUE A $6 MILLION BOND 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS DEBT FOR PICKING UP ALL THIS DEBRIS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A COLLATERALIZED ASSET AND ALL OF THAT. I FORGET, UH, AND IT MAY BE TOO MANY TO LIST, BUT THERE, THERE'S, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT, AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, THERE'S NOT A TON OF THINGS WE CAN ISSUE DEBT FOR. NO, IT'S REALLY, IT, IT WILL BE FOR CAPITAL MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, TYPICALLY YOU COULD DO IT FOR VERY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT. UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HISTORICALLY DONE THAT. SOME CITIES HAVE TO, OR THEY'LL USE A LEASE OR LEASE PURCHASE OR OTHER TOOLS. UH, WE'VE BEEN IN GOOD POSITION BECAUSE OF OUR CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL APPROACH, PUTTING MONEY BACK IN RESERVE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOT HAVE TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT WE COULDN'T ISSUE BOND TO MEET PAYROLL. OH NO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ONE PAYROLL AND THERE ARE DO SOMETIMES ISSUE DEBT, PAYROLL. YEAH. NO, NOT AT ALL. YOU DON'T GIVE CREDIT RATING IF YOU NEVER BORROW. YEAH. OH, EXACTLY. WHEN YOUR FIRST OUT SCHOOL, SO DESPERATE TO ESTABLISH THEIR CREDIT WRITING SOMEWHERE AND OURS IS GOOD. YEAH. SO, SO ANYWAY, SO, SO IF Y'ALL GET ASKED, WHY DON'T YOU PAY AS YOU GO? DOES THAT HELP OUT? AND AND WE DO MOSTLY THE ANSWER IS WE DO MOSTLY RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. WE USE BONDS VERY, VERY MODERATELY BY, ENTIRELY INTENTIONALLY. THAT'S SKI, NO EFI. OKAY. I'M GOING TAKE YOU INTO THE DETAILS AND, AND YOU'LL BE FLIPPING YOUR BOOK A LOT. SO AGAIN, IF I, IF I MISS, YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SLIDE PAGE AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE HITTING THE ITEM BY ITEM. UM, JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. OTHERWISE I'M GONNA TRY TO GET YOU OUT HERE AT REASONABLE TIME. BUT I DO ANTICIPATE QUESTIONS, SO PLEASE JUMP IN. SO WE'LL START WITH GENERAL FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT. UM, AND SO IN, IN THE TOTAL, YOU CAN SEE THE TOTALS UP THERE, UH, ON THE SCREEN, THE BIG YEARS IN 2027 RIGHT NOW. AND THAT JUST KIND OF OF HAPPENS BY TIMING. IT'S NOT REALLY A FINANCIAL ISSUE SO MUCH RIGHT NOW. IT'S BY THE TIMING AND NEED WHEN THESE THINGS COME UP. BUT WE'LL GET INTO THE DETAIL, UH, HERE. SO, UH, GOING TO PAGE 27, WE'LL START WITH COMMUNITY IDENTITY FEATURES. KIND OF A SMALL ONE ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. SO OF COURSE THOSE ARE PROJECTS FOR, UH, GATEWAY INTEREST FEATURES, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER BEAUTIFICATION IMPROVEMENTS ALONG OUR PRIMARY STREETS IN TOWN. UM, FOR 26, UH, THE CURRENT YEAR FUNDING WAS PROVIDED FOR FULL DESIGN, AS YOU KNOW, TWO GATEWAY LOCATIONS, WILSON PIKE, UH, AND I 65. UH, AND AT CONCORD, UM, CONSTRUCTION IS PLANNED FOR, UH, FY 27. SO 27 TO CONSTRUCT THOSE SIGNS. IT'S ALLOCATED IN 28 FOR THE EAST CONCORD ROAD SIGN. AND THEN, UH, IN FUTURE YEARS, THIS FUNDING IS ALLOCATED FOR FUTURE YEARS SIGNAGE AND BEAUTIFICATION AS MAY BE IDENTIFIED. BUT THOSE ARE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN HERE. AND THOSE ARE THE CONTINUATION OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? OKAY. COMMUNITY PLANNING, BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AS WELL. UM, THIS ONE ADDRESSES LONG RANGE PLANNING EFFORTS OF THE CITY AND PERIODIC UPDATES TO OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW WITH UPDATING OUR 2030 PLAN. SO WE HAVE THE FUNDING IN OUR 2027 FY 2027 TO UPDATE THE 2030 PLAN. UH, THOUGH THE PROCESS ACTUALLY IS BEGINNING IN 26, SO A LITTLE A PORTION OF THAT FUNDING YOU'LL SEE IS IN 26. THAT'S THE 30,000 THIS YEAR AND 180,000 NEXT YEAR. SO WE HAVE THAT IN HERE. QUESTIONS, WHICH DEPARTMENT DOES THE 2020 PLAN FILE UNDER? UH, PLANNING? YEAH. YEAH, TODD KNOWS. OKAY, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, THIS, THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, WE DO. AND UH, THEY'RE UNDER CONTRACT. SO WE'RE, WE GET STARTED WITH THAT AND, AND ERS IF IT HELPS. UH, IN THE TOP RIGHT WE USUALLY HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGER SHOWN ON EACH ONE OF THE MAIN PROJECT PAGES AND ON, ON THE FRONT PAGE AND ON ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EACH PROJECT. IF YOU LOOK KIND OF TOWARD THE TOP RIGHT, THE PROJECT MANAGERS. SO TOP AT IS SHOWN THERE. SO, UH, FOR EACH PROJECT, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT WHO'S RUNNING POINT ON IT, THAT'S SHOWN ON THERE. AND THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. ON THE BACK PAGE YOU HAVE DETAIL FOR THE CURRENT YEAR AND THE, AND AND THE FISCAL YEAR 27. SO THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF THESE, WE MAY HIT IT INTO THAT, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ON THE BACK OF THAT, UH, SUMMARY PAGE. ALRIGHT, UH, PAGE 31, EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES, OR I'M SORRY, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, FACILITIES OR RELATED, UH, REPLACEMENT OF LARGE EQUIPMENT AND APPARATUS WITH THE VALUE AND EXCESS. TYPICALLY WITH THE VALUE AND EXCESS AT 45,000, THAT TYPICALLY INCLUDES FULLY EQUIPPED PATROL CARS. WHEN YOU FIGURE THE CAR AND THE EQUIPMENT, UH, INCLUDES FIRE, APPARAT, BRUSH BRUSH REMOVAL TRUCKS, LARGER DUMP TRUCKS INCLUDE VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT LESS THAN 45 THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET BUDGET. SO IF WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T WANT 'EM TO BE OPERATING, WE'D THROW 'EM OVER HERE INTO THIS OCCASIONALLY. [01:35:01] UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS, THIS IS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF SAVING UP WHEN WE IDENTIFY THE NEED AND HAVE THESE REPLACEMENT PLANS, ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS ARE MADE BY THE BENEFITING GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT THAT GOES OVER TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND TYPICALLY. UH, AND THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE TRY TO FUND THESE THINGS. UH, IT ALLOWS, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY ALLOWS FOR ACCUMULATION OF FUNDS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. SO IT'S A, IT'S A PAY AS YOU GO SAVE IS SAVE NOW PAY AS YOU GO WHEN IT COMES UP IN FRONT OF YOU. SO IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW WE PAY FOR THESE THINGS WITH CASH. AND SO NOTHING HUGE SIGNIFICANCE TO POINT OUT HERE, BUT IT SHOWS YOU, UH, IN 26 HOW MUCH WE, UH, HAVE ABOUT, UH, 3.2 MILLION. WE HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW REPLACEMENTS IN 2027 AT 5.37, UH, MILLION. AND UH, THIS IS ONE, IF YOU SWITCH BACK ONE PAGE TO PAGE 32, YOU'LL SEE THE 2027 BREAKDOWN. AND UH, WE HAVE TOWER 51 AND ENGINE 52 REPLACEMENT. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE LUMP THAT DRIVES THAT ONE UP IS, UH, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FIRE, A PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS THAT'LL DRIVE THAT NUMBER UP. SO THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER'S A LITTLE BIGGER IN 2027. OTHERWISE, AGAIN, WE KIND OF LAY THESE OUT AND WE HAVE, UH, ROUTINE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES. UH, GENERALLY WE TRY TO FOLLOW, IF, IF SOMETIMES WE'LL START THERE. IF, IF WE HAVE AN EXTRA YEAR, WE'LL TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TOO. BUT, UH, THESE KIND OF LAY OUT BASED ON THAT NEED TO REPLACE THE TOWER 51 AND ENGINE 52. TWO, TWO QUESTIONS. HOW OLD ARE THEY? AND THEN, YEAH, BRIAN, BOTH OF THOSE APPARATUS WERE PART OF THE THREE TRUCK ORDER THAT WE DID IN 2023. SO WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THOSE THINGS FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH, THE UM, THE TOWER TRUCK IS A 2005 MODEL, SO IT'S APPROACHING 20 YEARS OLD. WOW. ENGINE 52 IS, UM, 2013 I BELIEVE. BUT OF COURSE THE ENGINES GET USED A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY, SO, UM, THE WEAR AND TEAR ADDS UP A LOT FASTER ON THAT. YEAH. AND WE'LL KEEP THOSE AS BACKUP OR WILL THEY SELL THOSE? UM, BOTH OF THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE SCHEDULED FOR SURPLUS. UH, WE'VE GOT OTHER MORE RELIABLE RESERVES THAT WE'LL KEEP. ALRIGHT. THE SMITHVILLE WHERE OUR LAKE HOUSE IS, THEY WERE PURCHASING A NEW USED TRUCK AND THEY LOST THEIR FUNDS. THEY SENT THE FUNDS ELECTRONICALLY TO A FAKE FOR $400,000. YEAH. GONE. THAT'S A BAD DAY. WOW. DETERMINE WHEN. WELL TYPICALLY THERE'S A, DO YOU START WITH A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE AND FOR THE CITIES IT'LL BE USUALLY BETWEEN 15 AND 20 YEARS. AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO BUILD. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. BUT THEN YOU'LL TYPICALLY LOOK AT THE HOURS 'CAUSE OF THE FIRE TRUCKS. OFTEN IT'S HOURS VERSUS MILES AND, UH, THE, AND THE MAINTENANCE HISTORY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TOO. HAS IT BEEN REALLY RELIABLE OR HAVE WE STARTED TO SEE SOME MORE, UH, UH, COSTLY TYPE MAINTENANCE ITEMS IN THE PAIRS AND FIND WHAT ELSE THAT THERE'S ABOUT HYDRAULICS? THAT'S A VERY ACCURATE STATEMENT. SO THE TOWER IN PARTICULAR HAS GOT MORE MECHANICAL MOVING PARTS THAN, THAN AN ENGINE. SO, UM, IF THE TURNTABLE OR THOSE CONCENTRIC RINGS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF STARTS TO GO OUT, THAT'S A HIGH DOLLAR EXPENSE. UM, AND THEN TO HIS POINT ABOUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. THE, THE TRUCK THAT'S IN, UH, STATION FIVE, WHEN WE ORDERED THAT TRUCK IN 2021, IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT 70. THE EXACT SAME TRUCK AS THE ENGINE 52 THAT YOU SEE THERE NOW IS OVER A MILLION. IF WE ORDERED THAT EXACT SAME TRUCK TODAY, IT'D BE 1.3 PLUS. SO I REMEMBER BUYING, AND IT, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T VERY CUSTOM, BUT IT WAS MORE OF AN OFF THE RACK TYPE TRUCK, BUT A TYPICAL, UH, ENGINE FOR ABOUT 250 TO $300,000. I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, AND I'M SURE IT'S TRUE ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE SUDDENLY WE WERE BUYING VEHICLES THAT HAD THE CLEANING APPARATUS TO HELP REMOVE CARCINOGENS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS, AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS GOT BACK IN THE VEHICLE EVENT. SO ABSOLUTELY THAT AND A LOT OF THE EMISSION STANDARDS THAT HAVE CHANGED ON THE, ON THE TRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE PRICE. YEAH, THROUGH THE ROOF. I DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE? I WILL TRY TO KEEP YOU MOVING HERE. UH, FIRE STATIONS, UH, THIS, THIS IS PAGE 33 AND THIS COVERS FIRE STATIONS TWO AND FIVE. THE OTHERS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER FACILITIES. I HAD TO ASK THAT. GOOD. UM, BASICALLY MINOR EXPANSION RENOVATIONS, UPGRADES TO OUR FIRE STATIONS, UH, COULD INCLUDE A CONSTRUCTION OF NEW STATIONS WHEN THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE AND THE TIMING'S RIGHT. UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE WAS DONE IN 22, SO THAT WAS GOOD TO HAVE THAT FINISHED. UH, FUNDING FOR THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN SERVICES RELATED TO SOME, UH, RENOVATION REBUILD OF THIS FIRE STATION TWO WAS PREVIOUSLY REFLECTED IN 27, UM, WHICH THAT STATION WILL BE 40 YEARS OLD, SO IT'S, IT'S GETTING TO, IT'S GETTING PRETTY OLD [01:40:01] RIGHT NOW. THIS GOES BACK INTO TRYING TO SHIFT THINGS A LITTLE BIT. SO WITH OUR FUNDING CONSTRAINTS, THAT KIND OF CAUSES US TO WANNA MOVE THAT PROJECT. UH, AND, AND HONESTLY RIGHT NOW WE STILL DON'T HAVE A SITE FOR IT. SO, UH, UNTIL WE FIND A SITE, IT'S NOT AS, BUT WE, WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING ON A SITE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE SITE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD BE GOOD. LOCATION IS PART TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP LOOKING FOR A SITE THAT'S AN ACTIVE PROJECT, BUT, UH, THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY MOVING THIS OUT TILL WE CAN GET A SITE. UH, SO GENERALLY THESE, THIS, THESE DOLLARS ARE JUST REALLY, UH, SET HERE AS HOLDING FOR EXTRAORDINARY REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE TWO STATIONS RIGHT NOW. UH, SO PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ON THOSE TWO. NOW, IF WE DO END UP FINDING A SITE, AND THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS WHY IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, IT GOES BACK TO ANN, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IF WE HAVE REALLY STRONG FUND BALANCES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SITE AND USUALLY TIMING'S PRETTY IMPORTANT THERE, WE COULD USE THAT IF WE NEEDED TO. SO IT GIVES US GOOD FLEXIBILITY THERE. ALRIGHT, LIBRARY. UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS TO DO WITH IMPROVEMENTS AND REPAIRS. ANY EXTRAORDINARY REPAIRS WITH THE LIBRARY. UM, SO FOR 26 FOR THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAD TO DO SOME, SOME SOFFIT REPAIRS THAT REALLY GO TO KIND OF BAD DESIGN. UH, THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF AN AV REFRESH AND REPLACEMENT OF CARPET IN THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY FOR 27. THERE WILL BE, UH, 40,000 FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF THE AV TECHNOLOGY, UH, IN REFRESH, UH, IN THE MEETING ROOMS AND THE, UH, UH, CONFERENCE CALL, CONFERENCE ROOM AND 30,000 FOR NEW CARPET PAINT, UH, THEMATIC ELEMENTS IN THE STORY TIME ROOM. UM, WE HAVE FUNDING FOR 75,000 IN 27 THROUGH 31. REALLY JUST LAID OUT FOR ANY UNKNOWN EXTRAORDINARY REPAIRS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. UH, AND WE HAVE REPLACEMENT OF A, UH, CHILLER, UH, UNIT IN 2030. THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE ITEM, $170,000. SO THIS, THIS ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD RIGHT NOW AND I THINK, AND I THINK YOU SOMETIMES YOU SAY IT RIGHT, SOMETIMES WE THINK THE LIBRARY'S CURSED. CAN WE GET A WATER MAIN BREAK OR SOMETHING GOING ON? SO THIS, THIS MONEYS TO HELP OFFSET THE CURSE A LITTLE BIT. CITY HALL, OUR MUNICIPAL CENTER ON PAGE 37, UH, REAL QUICK FUNDING AND, UH, AN UPCOMING YEAR REFLECT DESIGN AND BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE TWO RENOVATIONS. SO WE, WE STILL GOT THAT IN FRONT OF US, BUT HONESTLY AS WE LOOKED AT THE REALLOCATION RESOURCES AND WE STARTED GETTING INTO THE TRENDING OF THE REVENUES AND STUFF, WE HAD TO KIND OF MERGE ALL THIS TOGETHER AND REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT WE STILL ARE ABLE TO KEEP THIS IN AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FINISH OUR CITY HALL PROJECT. UH, THAT PHASE IS WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT 3.75 MILLION, AND IT'S PROBABLY TWO YEARS TOTAL FOR ANY FINAL DESIGN CHANGES IN CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE HAVE AN ONGOING ANNUAL FUNDING, AGAIN FOR EXTRAORDINARY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ABOUT 125, OF 125,000 PER YEAR. SO, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'LL, WHAT'LL HAPPEN. AND THEN PLACEHOLDER FUNDING OF 700,000 IS IN RIGHT NOW IN 2031 FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT. SO ROOFS ARE EXPENSIVE AND IT'S A DECENT SIZED BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE SHOWING IT CURRENTLY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. UH, POLICE HEADQUARTERS, PAGE 39. UM, FOR, FOR 26, WE HAVE A CURRENT YEAR, AGAIN FUNDING, UH, FOR CONTINUED TECHNICAL AND LEGAL SERVICES AT ALL. DEAL WITH THE, UH, UH, LEGAL SITUATION REGARDING OUR HVAC SYSTEM THERE. UH, SO THAT'S A CURRENT ACTIVE ISSUE. 27 FUNDING REFLECTS CONTINUED, UH, CONTINUING LEGAL EXPENSE OR CONTINUED DESIGN AND CONTRACTOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT YET TO THAT, SO THAT NEEDS TO GO IN 27. GETTING THE SUBJECT TO OUR CLAIM AND WHERE WE END UP. UM, DON'T HAVE A, AN UPDATE ON THAT RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT HERE. BUT, UH, UH, WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO ON THAT BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UH, AN ESTIMATED 700,000 IS STILL AVAILABLE, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT BUDGET FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THAT WORK. SO WE STILL HAVE SOME FUNDS OF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FUNDS AVAILABLE TO HELP US TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. AND THEN, UH, YOU SEE 75,000 PER YEAR FOR 27 ON OUT TO FUTURE YEARS FOR ANY, UH, MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR ITEMS THAT WE MAY HAVE. SO AGAIN, THAT ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. NO NEW INFORMATION EXACTLY BY EXTRAORDINARY UNITS, EARLY REPAIRS, UH, SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, WE DON'T KNOW OF TODAY. WE JUST WANNA HAVE MONEY IN IN CASE WE HAVE SOMETHING. YEAH, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT IT COULD BE. YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT A LOT ON A NEW BUILDING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES YOU STILL GET SOME OF THAT. UH, SAFETY CENTER EAST PAGE 41 AGAIN, THIS YEAR WE HAVE FUNDING FOR GENERATOR REPAIRS AND MISCELLANEOUS BUILDING MAINTENANCE. UH, FOR NEXT YEAR AND BEYOND. WE HAVE 25,000 AGAIN FOR, UH, JUST IN ANTICIPATION OF ANY REPAIR PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE NEED NEEDED OR ARISE ANNUALLY. AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE, UH, 75,000 THAT'S SHOWN IN 27 [01:45:01] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT, SO NOT A WHOLE LOT GOING ON THERE. SO OVERALL, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL, THE OTHER ASPECTS OF SAFETY CENTER ARE WORKING PRETTY WELL? I THINK SO. I, I, I'D LOOK BRIAN ON THAT. YEAH. YES, WE MADE SOME, SOME MODERATE MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUNK ROOMS, UH, RECENTLY AND SOME OF THE HVAC UNITS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, BUT LARGELY EVERYTHING OUT THERE RIGHT, THERE'S GONNA BE A GENERATOR REPLACEMENT THAT THAT'S COMING UP AND THAT'S IN THE BOOK SUB GENERATOR. EVERYTHING ELSE IS TRACKING. WELL, YES, SIR. COOL. ROOF WAS REPLACED. OH, 2021, PROBABLY 22, SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS THE NEXT GENERATOR REPLACEMENT. NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR, YEAH. WHEN THAT WAS GOING ON WAS THE, UM, ADMIN, I GUESS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN MOTHER, UH, SHE, THAT'S WHAT WAY OUT OF HER WAY TO GET A SET OF MATCHING DISHES. SO WHEN THEY HAD COMMUNITY EVENTS AND DINNERS IN THERE, THEY HAVE REAL DISHES. , SHE WAS REALLY QUITE THE LADY. THAT'S FUNNY. WELL, GOOD FOR HER. OKAY. UH, SERVICE CENTER IS PAGE 43. UH, AGAIN, PERIODIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SERVICE CENTER. UH, LET'S SEE. OF COURSE YOU GUYS, EVERYONE KNOWS, OR I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT EVERYONE DOES, BUT SERVICE CENTER INCLUDES THE FUNCTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS, WATER SERVICES, AND IT'S OUR FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE DOWN THERE AS WELL. SO WE HAVE OUR CHIPPER PROCESSING FUNCTION THERE. SALT STORAGE IS THERE AS WELL. SO, UH, IN 26 THIS YEAR, A LOT OF MAINTENANCE PROJECTS WERE IDENTIFIED. UH, THE NEED FOR RENOVATION TO THE AGING, UH, FACILITIES BEEN KIND OF KNOW THAT, BUT IT'S ALL KIND OF CONTINGENT ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH FIRE STATION THREE AND POSSIBLE RELOCATION, YOU SHOULD KNOW MORE FAIRLY SOON ON PROPERTY, UH, RELATED TO THAT. UH, AND THEN THAT COULD, UH, COULD TRIGGER IN FUTURE DEPENDING ON FUNDING NEXT STEPS OBVIOUSLY FOR, FOR THAT. UH, BUT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS THERE AS FAR AS ANY MAJOR RENOVATION IS GONNA BE, UH, CONTINGENT ON THE FIRE STATION, MOVING IN SPACE BEING MADE AVAILABLE. UM, AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RELOCATION OF PARKS TO ANOTHER SITE AS WELL. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHERE THERE IS, IF WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA LINK IT FOREVER, BUT LOOKING AT STATION TWO IS A POSSIBLE LOCATION WHERE THEY COULD GO STATION. IF WE FIND A, ANOTHER SITE FOR STATION TWO IN THE FUTURE, AGAIN, THAT COULD STILL BE A WHILE. SO AT SOME POINT WE MAY HAVE TO DISCONNECT THAT, UH, AND DEPENDING ON OUR SPACE CONSTRAINTS HERE AT THE SERVICE CENTER, BUT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING THAT AS A POSSIBILITY. THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT, THINK IT COULD BE, IT COULD WORK, BUT WOULD THERE STILL BE MORE WORK TO DO TO KNOW THAT? FOR SURE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT LOCATION WOULD WORK IF YOU NEED A MILLION, 2 MILLION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE TO, TO GET THAT SET UP RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THAN BUILDING A STANDALONE, BUT IT NEEDS TO WORK, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO, BUT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING OPTIONS IS WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT MEETING FOR THE PROPERTY? WELL, THEY HAD TO POSTPONE AND, AND DEFER AND DO IT. THEY IS A TECHNICAL, UH, UH, ISSUE ON THE VOTING ON THAT. BRIAN, YOU MIGHT, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE. SURE. SO IT, IT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRING A BYLAW CHANGE ON THE PART OF THEIR HOA. SO THEY HAD TO DO SOME, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS AND HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH APRIL THE 21ST IS WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR VOTE BY THE HOMEOWNERS TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO SELL THE PROPERTY. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THE STEPS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO. UM, AND IT REQUIRES A 75% AFFIRMATIVE VOTE BY THE HOMEOWNERS. SO WE'VE TRIED TO DO A LOT OF, UH, PUBLIC EDUCATION AND, UM, AND CONVINCING, UH, LET THOSE FOLKS ON THIS. YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR US BEING THERE. RESPONSE TIMES ARE SHORTER. THE NOISE WHEN YOU LEAVE ACTUALLY IS GOING AWAY VERSUS WHEN YOU COME UP FROM THE SOUTH, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD REASONS. BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN THEY'RE VOTING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THEY'RE VOTING ON. SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, SATISFACTION WITH YOUR HOA, YOUR FINANCIAL POSITION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE FUNDS? THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER, SIR. SO WE RECOGNIZE THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS. WE OWN THE SERVICE CENTER OR WE LEASE THAT LAND, IT'S OURS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THEN WE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 50,000, UH, AGAIN, UH, FOR EXTRAORDINARY REPAIRS THAT MIGHT OCCUR, UH, FROM AN BASIS. YEAH, OKAY. GOING TO TECHNOLOGY. PAGE 46 IS THE, UH, BIG GRAPH. SO WE HAVE, THAT KINDA SHOWS YOU THE BREAKDOWN THERE. TECHNOLOGY APPLIES TO, UH, UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION, GENERAL FACILITIES, PARKS, UH, AND, UH, JUST TECHNOLOGY IN GENERAL. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE KIND OF BASED ON THE TIMING OF, OF NEEDS IN 29, 28, 29 ARE THE BIGGER FUNDING YEARS HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TECHNOLOGY NEEDS PRETTY WELL. AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. [01:50:01] ALRIGHT, UH, PAGE 49, COMPUTER EQUIPMENT. SO THIS IS, THIS, UH, SECTION IS FOR SPECIALIZED COMPUTER AND COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT, AND AGAIN, SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT OF HARDWARE AND EQUIPMENT USED FOR, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING DESKTOP COMPUTERS, NETWORK SERVERS, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UH, THOSE ARE BASED ON A TYPICALLY A SIX YEAR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE AND ANNUAL REVIEW, AN UPDATE BY THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT. SO WE START WITH THE SIX YEAR SCHEDULE AND THEY CAN DETERMINE IF, IF WE SHOULD BE AHEAD OF THAT OR IF WE HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE START WITH THERE. UM, FOR, UH, 26 PROJECTED AND, AND 27 THAT YOU CAN SEE THE EXPENDITURES THERE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE IS JUST CONTINUATION OF NETWORKING AS A SERVICE PROVIDED BY NILE. SO YOU'VE SEEN THE NILE CONTRACTS AND SO THAT, UH, UH, APPROACH ELIMINATES THE CONTINUAL REPLACEMENT SERVICING OF MOST OF THE ONSITES, WHICH IS AS WELL AS, UH, SOME WIRELESS CONTROLLERS AND ACCESS POINTS. SO IT'S WORKING, SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY, VERY WELL. ALSO ELIMINATES, UH, SOME OPERATIONAL EXPENSES FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, AND OTHER THINGS. SO THE ESTIMATED HARD COSTS RIGHT NOW ARE 30,000 PER YEAR, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER SOFT COSTS IN THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE BASICALLY HAVE IN ADDITION TO JUST GENERAL REPLACEMENT OF COMPUTER HARDWARE, EQUIPMENT THAT YOU SEE, UH, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, WHICH IS USUALLY FAIRLY STATIC UNLESS WE HAVE SOME EXPENSIVE SWITCHES OR OTHER MAJOR, UH, COMPUTER INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE TO REPLACE. AND AGAIN, YOU GET A BREAKDOWN ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE OF THE CURRENT YEAR IN THE 2027, BUT, UH, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING TODAY. SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. WE JUST, UH, I THINK PASSED, UH, SOME, I GUESS GUARDRAILS ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND INTEGRATED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE INTO OUR PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AS WE CAN USE IT AS A GOOD SERVICE TOOL AND OTHER STUFF. DOES THIS BUDGET KIND OF TAKE, LIKE, DOES THAT PUT ADDITIONAL DEMANDS, OUTER EQUIPMENT OR IS THIS ALL SORT OF DESIGNED WITH THAT IN LINE? UH, YES. I MEAN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT QUOTES RIGHT NOW, THE QUOTES ARE GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE AI IS BEING BUILT IN EVERYTHING. AND SO OUR NUMBERS TO REFLECT THAT, THE FACT THAT OUR, THE COSTS ARE GOING UP. OKAY, SO, SO WE THINK THAT WE WOULD BE FAIRLY READY IF SOME OF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE A REAL BENEFIT TO OUR CITIZENS. OH, YEAH. YEAH. AND A COUPLE THINGS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE INTEGRATION PIECE, RIGHT? AND THEN IF AT SOME POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE STANDALONE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. UH, WE'RE NOT AT THIS POINT, BUT IF WE DID A LARGE STANDALONE APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT YEAH, WE'RE SEEING IT INTEGRATED IN LOT THINGS. THIS IS MORE OF THE EQUIPMENT REALLY. THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE. YEAH, THIS IS AN AI IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY. I WAS JUST WONDERING SINCE, SINCE IT RUNS OVER ALL THAT NETWORK EQUIPMENT AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA IF IT CREATES MORE NETWORK TRAFFIC OR LESS OR ABOUT THE SAME NETWORK TRAFFIC. I MEAN, SO MUCH OF IT'S IN THE CLOUD, RIGHT? THAT IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT'S RUNNING IN OUR HARDWARE PER SE. IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS IN THE CLOUD. SO IT'S NOT AS TASKING ON OUR OURSELF AS IT IS ON THE OTHER. SO, SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS PROBABLY CARRIES THROUGH THAT KIND OF CONTINGENCY AS BEST WE CAN TELL, NOT KNOWING, YEAH. SUCH A WILD RIDE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HARD. SO , THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM. WELL, ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, UH, PAGE 51 AGAIN, UH, PROVIDES FOR UPGRADING 9 1 1 DISPATCH COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT FACILITIES TO COMPLETELY MAINTAIN THE, THE STATE OF THE ART, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY NINE, UH, ONE, ONE AND EMERGENCY CENTER. UH, FOR THIS YEAR. WE, UH, UH, PROVIDED FOR AN UPGRADE TO THE 9 1 1 COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SOFTWARE SYSTEM. AS WE LOOK, UH, OUT INTO 2027, WE HAVE REPLACEMENT OF COMPUTER, UH, WORKSTATIONS AND VIDEO WALL FOR 28 REPLACEMENT OF THE 9 1 1 LOGGING RECORDER. UH, A RECODER I SHOULD SAY. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? IS THAT RECORDER? RECORDER? RECORDER, OKAY. I THOUGHT, YEAH. OKAY. UH, PLACEHOLDER FUNDING OF UH, 750,000 IS PROVIDED FOR 2029. AND THAT'S FOR THE, THE FUTURE, UH, POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT OF THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM. SO THAT'S THE FULL SYSTEM THERE. UH, AND THEN IN, UH, 2030 THROUGH 31, FUTURE REPLACEMENT ENHANCEMENTS JUST AS NEEDED. SO IT'S MORE OF A HOLDING, UH, FUNDING FOR THOSE. SO IN PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY STATIC BUDGET AS YOU'RE PRETTY USED TO TYPICALLY. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? FIBER OPTIC NETWORK. PAGE 53, AGAIN, PRIOR TO THE MAINTENANCE AND EXPANSION OF OUR CITY'S FIBER OPTIC NETWORK, UH, SERVING BOTH DATA AND VOICE NEEDS, UH, FOR OPERATIONS AS WELL AS TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, AND TRAFFIC OPERATIONS CENTER 25. AND, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 AND 26. FUNDING PROVIDED FOR THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROBERT ELEY EXTENSION, CREATION OF DUNT FIBER NETWORK. PASS SEVERAL CITY FACILITIES AS WELL, AND [01:55:01] RELOCATION OF THE FIBER SYSTEM ON ROCKDALE ROAD IS THE PROJECT THERE. AND, UH, AND INITIAL WORK ON THE LARGE SCALE PROJECT TO REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE ORIGINAL SEGMENTS OF OUR FIBER NETWORK INSTALLED 20 YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE INTO REPLACEMENT PHASES OF OLD PIPE, UH, FOR 26 FUNDING'S ALSO PROVIDED FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE REPLACEMENT OF AN UPGRADE PROJECT, WELL, EXTENSION OF THE FIBER AND CROCKETT PARK, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW FOR ENHANCED SECURITY IN THE PARK. UH, 27 INCLUDES REPLACEMENTS ON, UH, ALL OF MORRIS LANE, CONCORD ROAD FROM SUNSET TO WILSON PIKE AND FRANKLIN ROAD, UH, FROM OUR LANE TO CHURCH STREET. SO AGAIN, A LOT OF REPLACEMENTS IN THERE. MOSTLY REPLACEMENTS, IT'S MOSTLY ALL REPLACEMENTS. RADIO SYSTEM, PAGE 55 THAT DEALS WITH THE UPGRADES AND EXPANSION OF OUR RADIO COMMUNICATION SYSTEM THAT SERVES BOTH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND NON PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS. UH, SO WE HAVE A, WE'RE PART OF A REGIONAL, UH, COUNTYWIDE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM THAT BECAME OPERATIONAL IN, IN, IN BRENTWOOD IN EARLY 2019. EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE GOING REAL WELL. UM, THE COST OF, UH, OF, TO US THE SHARE FOR THE SHARE OF THE SYSTEM AT THAT POINT WAS $4.8 MILLION. UH, EVERY CITY AND COUNTY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT AT ONE POINT, AND THOSE ARE JUST USUALLY EXPENSIVE, BUT WE'RE, WE MADE IT PAST IT, YOU HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM. IT'S OPERATIONAL. UH, FINAL TESTING IS PENDING FOR A FINAL TOWER. THERE WAS STILL A PLAN FOR A FINAL TOWER IN THE COUNTY. UM, SOME OF US ARE PART OF THAT COMMITTEE. THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT TIMING FOR THAT TOWER JUST YET, SO WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING PENDING IMMEDIATELY. UH, FY 2027 PROVIDES FOR FINAL SYSTEM PAYMENT FOLLOWING THE, UH, UH, FINAL COVERAGE, UH, TESTING AND ACCEPTANCE. THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL LOT OF HANDHELD, UH, RADIOS AND INCAR RADIOS PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED TO BEGIN IN 20 FIVES PUSHED OUT IN 28. I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIMING RIGHT NOW STILL. UH, BUT IT, SO THE, THE, THE EQUIPMENT'S DOING WELL, IT'S LONG, EXCUSE ME, IT'S, UH, LASTING A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED. UH, NEW BATTERIES FOR ALL OF THE HANDHELD RADIOS WERE PURCHASED IN 24, AND THAT HELPED EXTEND THE LIFE OF EACH UNITS. SO, UH, MOST REPLACEMENTS COMMENCE, ARE EXPECTED TO BE SPREAD OVER THREE YEARS. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THE DOLLARS THERE FOR. I'LL TELL YOU THOSE. IF, IF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE RADIOS ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. THEY REALLY ARE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT MORE RECENTLY, BUT, UH, THEY JUST ARE. BUT THE, YOU NEED TO HAVE 'EM, YOU NEED TO RELIABILITY OF THE RADIO BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT SITUATION YOU'RE GONNA BE IN AND YOU'RE GONNA RELY ON THAT RADIO. SO THIS ISN'T WORTH LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, IT IS, BUT ALL OF THEM, IT'S YOU. OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE AWESOME. ALL THE WORKS. YES. ALL POLICE, FIRE AND NONPUBLIC SAFETY. OKAY. SO IT'S ALL, OKAY. THIS, THIS ALL INTEGRATES BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. YES. AND THIS IS A AND I THINK Y'ALL NEED THAT PRETTY HEAVILY HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, DIDN'T IT? I THINK THE NETWORK GOES DOWN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR ANYTHING, THIS JUST GETS Y'ALL IN CONTACT. YEAH. AND WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING GROUP WITH ALL THE AGENCIES THAT WORK TOGETHER ON THESE, ON THESE QUESTIONS. IT'S A FORMAL COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THIS THAT RELATES SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PURPOSE. AND, UH, WE MEET REGULARLY AND IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD GROUP AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW, THERE HASN'T, HASN'T BEEN ANY CONVERSATION ON THAT TOWER. SO WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANYTHING THAT, UH, OR IMMEDIATE NEEDS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. UM, SOFTWARE SYSTEMS, PAGE 57, AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IMPLEMENTATION OR REPLACEMENT OF SOFTWARE AND SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS REQUIRED FOR OPERATIONS. UH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE SPECIALIZED DEPARTMENT SOFTWARE AS WELL. UM, EXAMPLE ARE, UH, GENERAL LEDGER OR FINANCIAL SOFTWARE, PAYROLL SYSTEMS CODES, COURT MANAGEMENT, AGENDA TYPE SOFTWARES, THINGS LIKE THAT. IN 2026 THIS YEAR, UH, WE, UH, INCLUDED ROUTINE SOFTWARE, UH, PURCHASES, BLADE SERVER OPERATING SYSTEMS, OTHER SPECIALIZED THINGS IN ADDITION TO ROUTINE SOFTWARE PURCHASES. IN, IN FY 27 TO 31, WE HAVE PLACEHOLDER FUNDING, UH, THAT'S SHOWN FOR NEW ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING, UH, PLATFORM BETWEEN, UH, FISCAL YEARS 28 AND 29. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING THE ERP, WE'RE TALKING THE FINANCIAL SYSTEMS. YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NEED RIGHT NOW. OUR FOLKS WORK REALLY HARD TO BE IN, TO BE VERY EFFICIENT, BUT THE SOFTWARE SLOWS 'EM DOWN. SO, AND IT'S PRETTY OLD. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT IN THERE RIGHT NOW IN THOSE YEARS. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ALRIGHT. OUTDOOR WEATHER, UH, WARNING SYSTEM. UH, PAGE 99. THAT'S FOR 59. UM, SO WARNING SIRENS, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PERIODIC EXPANSION OF OUR OUTDOOR AND REPLACEMENT OF OUR OUTDOOR EMERGENCY WARNING SYSTEMS, UM, [02:00:01] THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE, UH, COMMUNITY. UM, THIS, THE SPLIT LOG ROAD, SAM DONALD AREA IS THE NEXT LOCATION. LEMME GET GRAPHIC. THERE IS THE NEXT LOCATION, UH, FOR A NEW SIREN IS DEVELOPMENT BEGINS TO OCCUR IN THAT, UH, RECENTLY ANNEXED AND CURRENTLY DEVELOPING AREA. SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT STAFF, WE'RE LOOKING AT SITE LOCATIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FROM A COVERAGE AND WHERE PROPERTY MAKES SENSE AS WELL IN THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. UH, ONE OF THE PLACES WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OPEN SPACE AREA OF ROSEBURG EAST SUBDIVISION ADJACENT TO SAN DONALD ROAD. SO THIS HAS, UH, THOSE REPLACEMENTS AND THAT'S THE PRIMARY ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT OR NEW. THAT'S A NEW ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN ANNEXED IN TO OUR, YEAH, IT'S A GAP BECAUSE OF THE NEWLY, UH, ANNEXED IN THEN DEVELOPING TERRITORY. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE AND GET COVERAGE. SO IS THERE A POINT WHERE WE STOP PUTTING LIKE PHYSICAL OUTDOOR SIRENS IN AND LEAN MORE INTO THESE EMERGENCY ALERTS THAT COME OUT OF THE CELL NETWORKS? THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. UM, SURPRISINGLY, EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT, THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RELIANCE ON THOSE. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OUTDOOR, A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL TRY TO RELY INDOORS, BUT THEY REALLY ARE MADE FOR OUTDOOR. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WITH TECHNOLOGY CHANGING AND NOW WE'RE SEEING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS THAT HAVE CELL PHONES. IT'S PROBABLY HIGH NINETIES, I WOULD GUESS MOST PEOPLE DO. IT DOES CAUSE US TO START TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. UH, I DON'T KNOW. I I I'M GONNA LOOK BACK TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY HISTORIC CONVERSATIONS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CURRENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE OR OTHERS HAVE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. NOT, THAT WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD INVOLVE REPLACING THE OUTDOOR SIRENS WITH SAILOR ACTIVATION OR, OR NOTIFICATION. I MEAN, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD SEEM LIKE A LOGICAL DISCUSSION TO HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ANYTHING. I'M JUST CURIOUS. 'CAUSE I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE FAIRLY DATA TECHNOLOGY AT SOME LEVEL. I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RETURN ON SAFETY IS. YEAH. SEE BETTER OUTCOMES FOR THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. THE ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER ON TORNADO SIRENS IS THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE AND THERE'S DECENT CHANCE THAT SOMEONE MAY BE OUTSIDE WITHOUT A CELL PHONE. AND SO, IN FACT, SOMETIMES I KNOW AS A COMMISSIONER I'VE HAD PEOPLE COMPLAIN I DIDN'T HEAR THE SIREN. YEAH. AND THEN, BUT THEY WERE IN THEIR, THEY WERE IN THEIR HOUSE AND I'M LIKE, WELL, I CAN HEAR THE ONE THAT'S IN HER AREA IN MY HOUSE. MM-HMM . ONLY WHEN IT PASSES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER QUADRANT THAT QUARTER OF TIME WHEN IT COMES BACK AROUND OUTSIDE THE YARD, YOU HEAR IT PRETTY CLEARLY. BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TO WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE, LIKE WHEN I WORK IN MY YARD, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T HAVE MY PHONE. OH, I'M NOT GONNA BE THE ONE TO SAY WE DON'T NEED SIRENS. YES, YES, EXACTLY. ANYBODY WANTS, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU MIGHT BE ON A BICYCLE OR SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE NOT ABLE, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR PHONE. RIGHT. AND YOU MIGHT HEAR IT, BUT, BUT I THINK IT IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION RIGHT NOW, THOUGH. I DON'T, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A TREND AWAY FROM 'EM. I THINK IT'S A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I I THINK THEY'RE MORE RELIABLE THAN THE CELL SYSTEM BECAUSE HEAR 'EM, LIKE WE HEAR THE CROCKETT PARK ONES, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SIX MILES AWAY MM-HMM . BUT IT, IT'S ABLE TO BE MORE REGIONAL. SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S NOT A LIGHTNING STRIPE BURN YOU LIVE, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET, OR YOU MAY NOT GET THE NOTIFICATION. OR IF YOU'RE IN CROCKETT PARK, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S IN CROCKETT PARK IS GONNA GET THAT NOTIFICATION ON THEIR PHONE. BUT TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, THAT THAT SPECIAL AREA I THINK HELPS. AND I DON'T PROBABLY GET HALF OF THE ONES THAT I HEAR SIRENS FOR DON'T COME THROUGH ON MY PHONE. SO. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE THERE'RE YET. I'M JUST, THEY'RE ALL TIME BETWEEN ALL THE PHONES AND WATCHES AND HEADSETS AND ALL THE DEVICES. AT SOME POINT I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT OUTSIDE SIRENS GONNA BE THE BEST WAY TO GET AHOLD OF SOMEBODY. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE YET. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. AND AS WE'RE WATCHING THIS, RIGHT WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU SEE WHAT THE WEATHER PEOPLE DO. SO HIGH UP. I HAVE A HUSBAND THAT GOES UP ON THE ROOF AND BICYCLE. YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC VIEW, TENNESSEE. ALRIGHT, WE'LL SWITCH OVER TO TRANSFER PATIENT. PAGE 62. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FUNDING IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT FIRST FOUR YEARS OUT, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL IN THE CIP AS WE IDENTIFY OTHER THINGS. UM, WE'LL GET INTO THIS ONE. THERE'S QUITE A BIT TO THIS ONE. SO, UH, WE'LL START WITH A DA RETROFITS ON PAGE 65. AGAIN, MEETING THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT FOR, UH, CURB RAMPS PRIMARILY, UH, SIDEWALKS. OTHER CITY FACILITIES THAT NEED IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE, WE HAVE A A DA TRANSITION, UH, PLAN AS YOU WOULD EXPECT US TO. UH, WE'RE WE'RE THE RECIPIENT OF A, UH, T GRANT THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR CURB RAMPS, VARIOUS SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS. THAT WORK IS REFLECTED [02:05:01] IN 2026 IN THE CURRENT YEAR 2020 AND 2027. 2027. WE HAVE $540,000, UH, FOR THAT. THERE'S A 20% LOCAL MATCH OF 120 THOUSANDS REQUIRED FOR THAT. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT WORK, THERE'S FUNDING OF 80,000 IN 27 PROVIDED FOR OTHER 80 DA PROJECTS SUCH AS ADDITIONAL RAMP RETROFITS. UH, AND THEN FUNDING IS PROVIDED, UH, BEYOND 2027 FOR THE SAME PURPOSE BECAUSE THAT'S AN ONGOING KIND OF NEED WHERE WE CONTINUAL 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF RAMPS UPDATED YET. SO IT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. PAGE 67. BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN, UH, PROJECTS AGAIN FOR EXTENSION OF OFF-ROAD BIKEWAYS BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS TO CONNECT PARKS, NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS AND OTHER POINTS OF INTEREST. AND, AND NEXT YEAR FOR 2027, IT PROVIDES FOR, UH, BIKEWAY OVERLAY AND SMALL SCALE SIDEWALK CONDITIONS, REPAIRS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS. SO THAT'S KIND OF BUILT IN, UM, FUNDING IN 28 THROUGH 30 PROVIDES, UH, FOR THIS OUR PURSUIT OF ANOTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, UH, PROGRAM YOU HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR, I THINK IT'S FOR MONDAY, UH, IT'S AN APPROVAL OF, IT'S A SAFETY PLAN, IT'S A COUNTYWIDE SAFETY PLAN, TRANSPORTATION RELATED. AND BY DOING THAT, BY US BEING A PART OF THAT, IT ALLOWS US TO APPLY FOR THIS, THIS TYPE OF GRANT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT GRANT AND THIS IS SPECIFIC HERE, UM, FOR THE MULTI-USE PATH ALONG FRANKLIN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BETWEEN MURRAY LANE AND CONCORD. SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A GRANT FOR ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE SAID THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO KEEP GETTING THE NO, WE PROBABLY WILL ON THAT ONE. THIS IS A DIFFERENT GRANT AND WE DO THINK THAT THERE'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST EXPLORE BEFORE WE WANNA FUND THE PROJECT OF THAT SIGNIFICANCE. UM, JUST WITH OUR OWN RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY NOW AS WE SEE OUR, OUR FUNDS TIGHTENING A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT'S BUILT IN WITH THE, UH, THE MATCH FOR THAT. WE ANTICIPATE RIGHT NOW THE MATCH AT 25% AND WE ALSO HAVE RECURRING FUNDING OF, UH, 50,000 IN, IN YEARS 27 THROUGHOUT THE PLAN FOR JUST TYPICAL EXPANSION OVERLAYS, SIDEWALK REPAIR, REPLACEMENT. THIS WAS PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED. SO TALKING ABOUT, UH, PRICE ESCALATION THAT KIND OF MAKES YOU WISH WE HAD BUILT THAT LITTLE SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK. WHAT WAS IT, 10 YEARS AGO? IT WAS $4,000. OH YEAH. CAN DO THAT NOW. YEAH. PRICES DON'T USUALLY GO DOWN, DO THEY? OH. BRIDGES. UH, PAGE 69. AGAIN, DEALING WITH SUBSTANTIAL REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE TO OUR ROADWAY PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES. UM, WE CONTINUE, IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS TO MONITOR THE CONDITION OF THE BRIDGES. UH, WE HAVE, UH, PERIODIC TDOT BRIDGE INSPECTIONS ACROSS OUR NETWORK. UH, THAT'S, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS. THE STATE PROVIDES INSPECTION RESULTS HAVE SHOWN, UH, UH, NON-EMERGENCY DEFICIENCIES IN THE CROCKETT, UH, ROAD BRIDGE. SO NOTHING OF EMERGENCY NATURE CHANGE IN LOAD RATINGS OR ANYTHING. UH, THE BRIDGE CROSSES THE CSX RAILROAD AND A BOX CULVERT ON RIVER OAKS ROAD. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON. DESIGN SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR REPAIRS OF THOSE TWO FACILITIES IS APPROVED IN 25. SO THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, EXPECTED. THE DESIGN IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETE IN EARLY 27. IN CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED SOMETIME, UH, BEFORE THE END OF 27. SUSAN MIGHT BE WORTH POINTING OUT, IF YOU RECALL THIS, UH, PROJECT BEING A SMALLER DOLLAR NUMBER. IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE OVER HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS ABSENT A FULL DESIGN. AND THAT EVALUATION DID REVEAL MORE SUBSTANTIAL REPAIRS WERE NECESSARY THAN WE ORIGINALLY KNEW. SO THAT'S THE FUNDING THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE. I DUNNO THIS QUESTION FOR JASON OR JAY, BUT I KNOW HE SAID WE, WE, WE PASSED MONEY, SOME LEADERS FOR INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT AND WE'RE NOT SHOWING MONEY PROGRAMMED IN HERE FROM 2028 THROUGH 23. ONE. IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH CONFIDENCE FROM THE INSPECTION SO WE REALLY DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY WORK NEEDED FOR THAT PERIOD? OR IS THAT JUST SAYING WE DON'T KNOW AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CONFIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO PROGRAM A PLACEHOLDER? WELL, WE SHOW THE MILLION, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION MILLION IN 27, IF WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THAT, YOU MIGHT SEE IT CARRY OVER INTO 28. BUT THE OTHER BRIDGES I SEE OTHER PROJECTS, YEAH. SO LIKE, SO ARE WE STILL CONFIDENT IN INSPECTIONS THAT WE THINK OKAY, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAN THAT? I, I THINK SO, JOHN, I'LL LOOK BACK AT YOU ON THAT OR, UH, PERHAPS UH, HAPPENS AS WELL. BUT THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO MY, SO I'D HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT ALL THOSE INSPECTIONS, THE LAST TIME THEY HAPPENED WAS UNDER TODD HOAD, SO I WOULD'VE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON, ON THE RESULTS OF THAT. I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE PERSONALLY. WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES BECAUSE THE INSPECTIONS ARE AN ONGOING PROCESS, RECURRING PROCESS AND RESULTS ARE GIVEN. SO WE WOULD BE AWARE IF THERE ARE OTHER, UH, PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE SHOWN UP ON HERE. SO THAT TELLS ME OUR BRIDGES ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SAID EARLIER, WE TEND TO BUDGET PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, SO JUST DIDN'T WANT DO THE OLD AND THING [02:10:01] HERE JUST 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, TEAR HAPPENS. IT DOES. WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT. YOU KNOW, THIS BRIDGES LAST A LONG DOUBLE CHECK. IS THERE A SCHEDULE THAT LIKE THE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT SMITH'S SO BIG, OR AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A SCHEDULE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE INSPECTED EVERY 10 YEARS OR FIVE YEARS? THERE THERE IS A TE DOT HAS A SCHEDULE AND I'M, I'M, LET ME LOOK HERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR, UH, I DON'T KNOW. I'LL LOOK BACK BEHIND ME TO SEE IF ANY STAFF KNOWS WHAT THEIR FREQUENCY IS, IS ANSWER MY APOLOGIES. BUT IT'S AN ONGOING ROUTINE. SCHEDULE SCHEDULE'S NOT LIKE THEY'LL LOOK AT 'EM EVERY 20 OR 30 YEARS. , AND THEN YOU WONDER WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BETWEEN. UH, SO IT IS ROUTINE. WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT AND I'LL SEND YOU SOMETHING OUT ON THAT. WELL, WHEN THEY SAY THERE'S A MINOR DEFICIENCY, IS THE WHOLE BRIDGE GONNA BE REPLIES TO JUST REPAIRING THAT? YEAH. REPAIRS, IF IT'S SOMETHING MAJOR, YOU TYPICALLY SEE 'EM TALK, IT'D BE A MAJOR PROJECT AND YOU'LL HIM TALK ABOUT THE LOAD RATING OR, OR PERHAPS EVEN CLOSING THE BRIDGE ALTOGETHER. REMEMBER MY VERY FIRST TOWN, WE DID A REALLY SMALL TOWN, DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE HAD A BRIDGE. WE KNEW IT WAS REALLY BAD, IT WAS A SMALL BRIDGE AND WE HAD 'EM LOOKED TO INSPECT IT AND THEY GOT UNDERNEATH IT AND DECIDED THEY WOULDN'T EVEN WALK UNDER IT AFTER THAT ANYMORE. , THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. , YOU'RE PRETTY FORTUNATE YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO INVEST, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA. THE PICTURE KIND OF GIVES YOU, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE MOVEMENT SEPARATION AND THINGS, THOSE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S MAJOR UNDERNEATH ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE THAT'S SPING A CONCRETE OFF. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE STEEL. AGAIN, THAT'S COMMON AGING. UH, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU INSPECT, YOU SEE WHERE BRIDGE IS AT AND WHAT STAGE AND SO FORTH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT TO THE POINT THAT THE STEEL'S ALL, UH, , IT'S, IT'S RUSTING AWAY. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEAL. BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO FIND A LITTLE BIT OF FALLING AS A BRIDGE AGES. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU INSPECT REGULARLY. I THINK WE'LL FIND, THEY PROBABLY INSPECT, UH, ONCE EVERY 3, 4, 5 YEARS. BUT WE'LL FIND OUT AND LET YOU KNOW, OKAY, BRIDGES ARE IMPORTANT. YOU WANT THEM TO WORK. UM, HUMAN DRIVE. SO BIG PROJECTS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, OUR PAYMENT TO FRANKLIN WHO'S, WHO'S ADMINISTERING THAT PROJECT TO EXTEND IN PHASE FIVE. UH, AND, AND SO FROM WILSON PIKE EAST TO SUBDIVISION, UH, WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT ENGINEERING WORK COMMENCED IN 21. UH, THE, UH, FOR, FOR THIS YEAR WORK INCLUDES ACQUISITION OF RIDE OF WAY AND FULL CONSTRUCTION. IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO BEGIN UNTIL ABOUT 27, 28. SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THIS PROGRAMMED RIGHT NOW. THESE ARE THE BEST NUMBER ESTIMATES. WE, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU REALLY BID A PROJECT, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. BUT AS YOU GET CLOSER AND YOU GET INTO THE DETAILED DESIGN, YOU START TO HONE IN ON THAT NUMBER. EXCUSE ME TOO. BUT, UH, THAT'S OUR BEST GUESS RIGHT NOW. AND THAT, THAT TIMING IS REALLY DICTATED BY THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. MS. SALINA TRAFFIC CALMING AND THAT THROWN IN AGAIN, YOU SEE FROM TIME TO TIME INTEREST AND TRAFFIC CALMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, LET'S SEE. OKAY, SO APPARENTLY WE HAVE, THIS IS AS FAR AS PUTTING THIS IN THE CIP, THIS IS NEW FOR 26 FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, UH, THAT WE START TO TRY TO CAPTURE AND PUT FUNDS AWAY FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. UM, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF KNOW 'EM AHEAD OF TIME AND START THINKING ABOUT PUTTING PLACEHOLDER FUNDING IN, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY. WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UH, FOR 27 IT'S POSSIBILITY. AGAIN, LOOKING BACK AT JONES PARKWAY WHERE THERE WAS A KIND OF A MINI ROUNDABOUT APPROACH, IT MAY COME BACK IN SOME FORM OF VALERIE DRIVE. UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE AT SOME POINT ANOTHER ATTEMPT, UH, TO UH, TRY TO GET PERHAPS SPEED TABLES THERE AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS, UH, UNDER YOUR CURRENT REVISED POLICY. SO WE DO WANT PLACEHOLDERS JUST IN CASE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE. 'CAUSE WE DO ANTICIPATE THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT, BUT THERE NOTHING NEW. SO WITH JONES PARKWAY, DO YOU HAVE AN INDICATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S AMENABLE TO MANY ROUNDABOUTS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THAT FAR IN THAT YET, BUT, UH, I, I SEE. YEAH. THE LAST, THE LAST WE HEARD, UM, YES, THEY'RE AMENABLE TO IT, BUT THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WERE COMING UP INTERNAL TO THEIR HOA QUESTIONS ABOUT LANDSCAPING, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. 'CAUSE THERE AREN'T SIDEWALKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO AT THE APPROACH TO A MINI ROUNDABOUT? THEY, THAT'S A QUESTION ABOUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK SINCE WE PROVIDED THOSE IN. YEAH, I HAVE SOME EMAILS. THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT. PEOPLE THAT LIVED RIGHT THERE. I I, YOU KNOW HOW TRUCKS TURN AND THEY DON'T DO REAL WELL AT ROUNDABOUTS. SOMETIMES THEY'RE UP ON CURBS. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH ROOM IN THERE. ESPECIALLY IN BELL RE TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT. SO IT WOULD BE A MOUNTABLE CURB SO THAT A, A LONG WHEEL BASE VEHICLE, THE TRAILER, YOU KNOW, IT'S DESIGNED TO CUT THE CURB RIGHT? IT CAN GO UP, BUT YEAH, PUSHING BELL REE WOULD BE SPEED BELL MEET. OH, OH YOU SAID BELL REEVE, BELL REVE? NO. OKAY. SPEED TABLE PARKWAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I, WELL I WAS GONNA [02:15:01] HAVE BOTH ACTUALLY, BUT I MEAN THERE'S MORE ROOM ON JONES PARKWAY THAN THIS SEEMS TO BE IN BE RE YEAH. MM-HMM . I MEAN I, THERE IS LIVE IN BE REEF A LOT AND I IT'S NOT A BIG STREET. THERE'S NO ROUNDABOUTS NO FOR BELL RE I DON'T, CAN'T IMAGINE WHERE IT WOULD BE. IT IS JUST TABLES ON BELL RE THE ROUNDABOUTS WERE OVER ON JONES PARKWAY. RIGHT. AND AND THOSE ARE FAIRLY LARGE ROADS IT RIGHT HERE. I DIDN'T THOUGHT. SURELY NOT THOUGH EITHER. I MEAN, IT'S THE WAY THE SENTENCE IS CONSTRUCTED PROBABLY WENT I SIDE THE SPEED THINGS. OH YEAH. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE, RIGHT. ITEMIZED SPELLED YOUR DRIVE SPEED UP. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ONE SENTENCE, SAM. WEIRD . SO I MENTIONED IT JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, JONES PARKWAY INDUSTRIALLY NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE THE MINI ROUNDABOUTS. I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT ADDITION AND JUST, I MEAN, AS AN OBSERVATION, I MEAN, I THINK FROM A, FROM AN UNSOLICITED FEEDBACK STANDPOINT, I'VE NEVER HAD MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAN OVER THERE BY SCALES. WHEN WE PUT THAT ROUNDABOUT THERE AT MURRAY LANE AND . YEAH. AND YOU REMEMBER EVEN THEN WE HAD NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOING HERE? YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN THAT, SO IN, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE 'EM BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T SEEMLY CHANGE AND UNDERSTAND THAT ROUNDABOUTS ARE A CHANGE. MM-HMM . BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE YOU DO WITH JONES PARKWAY. 'CAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T LIKE IT BEING A, A RACETRACK AND CROCKETT'S EVEN A BETTER EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S A COLLECTOR TYPE ROOM. YEAH. AND I'VE TRAVERSED IT FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TIMES GOING IN FROM MY HOUSE TO WORK OR WHATEVER. AND WHEN IT WAS STOP SIGNS, IT LITERALLY WOULD BACK UP FROM THE INDIAN POINT FROM LIKE FOUR O'CLOCK TO SIX 30 AT NIGHT ALL THE WAY TO WILSON PIKE. SOMETIMES YOU WOULD BE TURNING LEFT OFF OF WILSON PIKE TO GO TO CROCKETT, YOU KNOW, PASS BY THE SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN TURN IN BECAUSE THAT TRAFFIC WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD. NOW THERE IS STILL HEAVY TRAFFIC AT RUSH HOUR. YEAH. BUT IT FLOWS. IT'S SO MUCH BETTER. IT FLOWS AND IT DOESN'T JUST BACK UP AND BACK UP AND BACK UP. YEAH. AND SO IT, AND, AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND IT, WELL YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT, I MEAN IT WAS INSTANTANEOUSLY WHEN THE FIRST ROUNDABOUT WAS PUT IN MM-HMM . WHEN THE SECOND ONE WAS PUT IN IT EVEN MADE IT BETTER, SO MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND A ROUNDABOUT, IT'S A GOOD DECORATIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. IF IT WORKS FOR OTHER REASONS. IT'S, IT'S A NICE, IT'S A LOT NICER LOOKING. SO ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE HOLDING, THOSE ARE JUST ON OUR RADAR. WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT POP UP. NEITHER OF THOSE MIGHT POP UP AND ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT, BUT WE ALWAYS WANNA HAVE MONEY IN THERE JUST IN CASE. ALRIGHT. OLD SMYRNA ROAD. OH, SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT ON A SECOND. I'M, UH, YEAH, THERE WE GO. PAGE 75. THIS IS JUST A, A A, BASICALLY IT'S DONE. IT SHOWS IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE, FINISHED THIS YEAR. UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. SO THERE'S NO COST IN FUTURE YEARS, SO IT'S NOTHING THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW THERE. GREAT WORK AS YOU ALREADY KNOW. YEAH. SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OF FINISH UP. ALRIGHT. I AN HOUR THAT YESTERDAY AS I WROTE BY WHAT? SO NICE. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD TO THAT BRICK WALL. IT'S GOT, IT'S, IT'S PERFECT THE WAY IT IS I THINK. YEAH. DID THERE WAS A PART THAT FELL OR GOT CRASHED? DID IT GET REPAIRED? DO YOU KNOW? I THINK THAT REPAIR STILL HAS TO BE DONE. WE MADE THREE REPAIRS FROM THE ICE STORM AND THEN, UH, A RANDOM, ANOTHER SECTION FELL FROM A JUST A RANDOM WIND WIND EVENT. IT'S ON THE BOOKS, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE YET. JUST CURIOUS. UH, OLD SMYRNA, YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. UM, SO, AND, AND, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT ONE'S A PRETTY TIMELY PROJECT. UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, FOR PHASE ONE AND UH, YOU CAN SEE UP THERE WE SHOW PHASE ONE WITH THE GREEN LINE AND THAT WHAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE TWO IS A RED LINE. SO TODAY WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT PHASE ONE. UH, BUT FOR PHASE ONE, FINAL DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL WORK IS OF COURSE, THIS YEAR, UH, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION FUNDING FOR PHASE ONE IS BASED ON ABOUT AN $8.7 MILLION BUDGET. AND THAT COULD BE REFINED AT THE END OF THE DESIGN. AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHEN WE BID, UH, THAT'S REFLECTED IN F IN YEARS 27 THROUGH 29. UH, SCHEDULING OF THE PHASE TWO WORK WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECT PRIORITIZATION. THAT'S THE ONE WAY TO SAY IT'S NOT IN YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE FUNDING DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR IT AS WE TRY TO BALANCE THE OTHER EXISTING PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE FIVE YEAR PLANS. SO, SO, UH, PHASE TWO IS A FUTURE PLANNING PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT MAPS NOT ACCURATE. SO WE'RE IS IT, HUH? THAT GREEN LINE SHOULD YEAH, GREEN LINE SHOULD GO. WE'RE ABOUT WHERE THE [02:20:01] O IS. YEAH. THERE YOU GO TO THE END OF OUR OH, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. LIKE WAIT A MINUTE. THAT'S NOT ANY OF THE PLANS. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. AND JUST ANOTHER, I GUESS PHASE TWO YOU QUESTION, I KNOW WE HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY LARGELY ACQUIRED FOR PHASE ONE. DO WE HAVE THE, A SIMILAR SITUATION, THE PHASE TWO? AND IS THAT LIKE, IS IT THE KIND OF THING WHERE PHASE TWO WOULD ALSO BE NORTH OF THE CURRENT ROAD TO WHERE WE CAN BUILD THE NEW ROAD WHILE STILL OPERATE IN THE OLD ROAD? GOOD QUESTION. I'LL TURN TO SARAH CATHERINE FOR THAT. UH, SO NO, WE, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF PHASE TWO. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OF IT DEDICATED. SO WE'D LIKELY USE THE EXISTING ROAD AND WIDEN OUT FROM THERE. GOTCHA. AND NOT MOVE THE NORTH PATH. OKAY. BECAUSE, YEAH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, RIGHT? VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PROJECTS BASED ON . VERY GOOD QUESTION. UH, OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. UH, DALE ROAD, WHICH, UH, WE'RE IN THE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, WELL INTO CONSTRUCTION AS A MATTER OF FACT. UM, AND AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A THREE LANE ROAD CURB, GUTTER CENTER TURN LANE, UH, INTERMITTENT RAISED MEDIANS, 10 FOOT MULTIUSE PATH, FIVE FOOT GRASS STRIP ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER. SO IT'S VERY NICE DESIGN, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, WAS AWARDED IN OCTOBER OF 24, 15 $0.8 MILLION INCLUSIVE OF CONSTRUCTION. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WATERLINE, UH, WELL THE WATER DISTRICT, UH, NOLANSVILLE, COLLEGE GROVE WATERLINE RELOCATION, INSTALLATION OF OUR WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE SHORT OF 2.5 MILLION. UM, JUST TO NOTE ON THAT, THAT ONE AS YOU SEE IS THIS YEAR AND THEN NEXT YEAR, UH, TO FINISH UP. SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE RIGHT NOW. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T RUN INTO ANY MORE, UH, SOIL ISSUES. UH, AGAIN, WE ADDRESSED THOSE NOT TOO LONG AGO. IF WE DO, WE APPRECIATE THE CONTINGENCY ALLOCATION YOU PROVIDED. SO HOPEFULLY WE, IF WE DO WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT WITH THAT CONTINGENCY, BUT HOPEFULLY WON'T RUN INTO A WHOLE LOT MORE OF THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S BEEN GOING REALLY VERY WELL. LOOKED LIKE THEY, I CAUGHT UP THROUGH THERE A LOT. JUST SPLIT LOG, SPLIT LOG BOTH WAYS. AND, AND IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE GETTING IT ALL READY TO BE PAVED IN THAT UPPER SECTION. 'CAUSE IT, THAT WAS THE SECTION THAT WE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE SOIL. SO I'M THINKING IT'S, WHO KNOWS, BUT IT'S GETTING CLOSE. GOOD. SO YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. SPLIT LOG, UH, ROAD THREE, A PJ ONE, UM, AGAIN FOR THE REALIGNMENT AND WIDENING OF ABOUT ONE LITTLE OVER ONE MILE, 1.1 MILE SECTION OF SPLIT LOG ROAD FROM SAM DONALD, UH, TO THE INTERSECTION AT SUNSET AND WALLER. UH, THE IMPROVEMENT INCLUDES, AGAIN, THREE LANE CURB AND GUTTER CROSS SECTION, 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH. AND ON ONE SIDE, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER. UH, THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE REFLECTS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IN 27 FINAL DESIGN COMPLETE BY THE END OF 27 IN CONSTRUCTION, BEGINNING IN 2030, CONTINUING INTO 2032. UM, IF I'M GOING TO JAY, I'M GONNA, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE, THE TIMING OF THIS IS DEPENDENT ON COMPLETION OF RAGSDALE ROAD JUST BECAUSE, UH, UH, GIVEN THAT THAT PROJECT, BECAUSE SPLIT LOG WILL BE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE DURING RAGSDALE CONSTRUCTION, SO WE HAVE TO GET IT FINISHED. UH, BUT UH, THIS CONSTRUCTION IS PUSHED OUT A BIT, WASN'T IT? IT IT, IT WAS, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY LEGACY LENGTH FROM LAST YEAR. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOW MORE THAN JUST A RAGSDALE ROAD COMPLETION, RIGHT? IT'S TRYING TO STRETCH THE PROJECTS OUT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT STACKED UP FROM A FUNDING POINT OF VIEW, WE HAD TWO VERY BIG PROJECTS, UH, WITH SMYRNA ROAD AND MCEWEN ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. UH, THOSE ARE MUCH LESS FLEXIBLE I THINK, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT THIS ONE CERTAINLY COULD SLIDE AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITH THIS. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE GAP. YEAH, SO DALE'S NOT REALLY A FACTOR ANYMORE. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO, TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE THE FUNDING, UM, IS GOING WHEN, WHEN THE FUNDING IS GONNA OCCUR FOR ALL THESE BIG PROJECTS. OKAY. STREET LIGHTING, THIS ONE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S JUST HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR. THIS IS FOR INSTALLATION OF NEW AND OUR IMPROVED ROADWAY LIGHTING AND OTHER UPGRADES, PRIMARILY ALONG OUR ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR, UH, ROADS WITHIN OUR COMMERCIAL AND WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. UH, ALL THE LED STUFF WAS, UH, UPGRADES WERE COMPLETED IN 24. SO THIS IS JUST, UH, REALLY JUST THE STANDARD HOLDING, UH, DOLLARS FOR, UH, OR IMPROVED OR REPLACEMENT. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB ON COMB DRIVE. THAT IS A VERY BUSY STREET. IT IS. IT WAS JUST SO BUMPY. IT IS GORGEOUS. AND DALE, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE HAVE WHITE LINES DOWN THE SIDE OF THAT ROAD ON EACH SIDE BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE OFF INTO DISHES AND THINGS AND INTO PEOPLE'S [02:25:01] YARDS EASILY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS THAT EVER LOOK GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. APPRECIATE THAT. UH, STREET RESURFACING, UH, PAGE 85. UM, AGAIN, ANNUAL RESURFACING OF STREETS, UH, UNDER OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. PROJECTS RELATED TO THAT. UH, THIS, UH, UTILIZES A STATE GAS TAX. UH, THERE WAS, UH, A GAS TAX INCREASE IN THE PASSAGE OF THE IMPROVE ACT IN 2017 AND ENDED IN 2020. THIS IS NOT A REVENUE SOURCE THAT'S GROWING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT KIND OF IS IN A SLIGHT DECLINE, SO WE CAN'T RELY SOLELY ON THAT, BUT, UH, IF WE DO, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RISE AND FALL AND RIGHT NOW FALL A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT 2027, THE FUNDING DECREASED ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO 2.85 MILLION. UH, SO WE HAVE IN THIS, WE HAVE A MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND INCREASE FROM THE GENERAL FUND. UH, AND WE HAVE 1.7 MILLION FROM THE STATE STREET AID FUND. THAT'S A $200,000 DECREASE THAT SHOWS THE DECREASE FROM THE STATE, UH, MONIES AND 150,000 FROM THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. UM, IT, UH, JUST TO NOTE THAT IT'S PROJECTED THAT OUR ABILITY TO CONTINUE INCREASING RESOURCES TOWARDS THE PAVING PAYMENT SURFACING BEYOND 2027 IS GONNA BE, UH, DEPENDENT ON INCREASES IN THE GENERAL FUND, UH, ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGETS. SO THIS GOES BACK AS WE THINK ABOUT THE LINES TIGHTENING AND TRYING TO EVEN KEEP THIS, LET ALONE REALLY ENHANCE IT IS GONNA BE RELIANT UPON REALLY MORE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO GET THAT FROM THE STATE. IS THE STATE STREET AID FUND THE SAME AS THE MONEY FROM THE IMPROVED ACT? IS THAT VAC MOTOR VEHICLE NEXT? YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE IMPROVE VAC, BUT YEAH. OKAY, LET'S, WHOOPS, SKIPPED IT. SUNSET ROAD, PHASE TWO, CONCORD, THE RAGSDALE, THE WIDENING OF SUNSET ROAD FROM CONCORD TO NEW BRIDGE, UH, NORTH OF RAGSDALE ROAD, UH, THREE LANE CURB GUTTER CROSS SECTION 10 FOOT WIDE. KIND OF THE SAME PROGRAM THAT, UH, EXCEPT THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPOSING, UH, SIDEWALK, BUT, UH, 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH. THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN LATE CALENDAR YEAR 2020. SO IT'S, IT'S DONE. CONTINUED FUNDING IS SHOWN. IT'S JUST FOR, UH, IT'S A RESERVE FOR SETTLEMENT OF, UH, REMAINING ONE, REMAINING RIGHT OF WAY CONDEMNATION CASE. SO THAT'S ALL. THAT'S LEFT PROJECT OF COURSE, IS IS FINISHED. SO THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD THERE. SUNSET RAGSDALE ALIGNMENT. UM, YEAH, SAME THING THERE. AGAIN, THE RESERVE SETTLEMENTS FOR ONE REMAINING RIGHT OF WAY CONDEMNATION CASE FOR THE PROJECT. SO NOT VERY EXCITING. DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE, I GUESS. TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES. UM, OF COURSE THIS COVERS THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS, MASKS, ARM POLES, UNDERGROUND WIRING REPAIR, UH, EQUIPMENT, UPGRADES TO EXISTING SIGNALS, SYNCHRONIZATION, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UM, IN 2027, THE TOTAL 210,000, UH, DE UH, DETAILED ON THE SECOND PAGE, IF YOU TURN THE PAGE, UH, THAT'S INTER GOVERNMENTAL FUNDING IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TDOT CONGESTION, UH, MITIGATION AIR QUALITY GRANT. THAT INCLUDES NEW SIGNAL TIMING PLANS FOR ALL MAJOR CORRIDORS, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL, VIDEO DETECTION SYSTEMS, AND ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL UPGRADES. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES FOR SIGNAL SYSTEMS FROM STATE FUNDING. UH, THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO FINALLY MOVE WITH CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, LATE THIS YEAR. SHOULD BE COMPLETED SOMETIME IN 2027. SO FUTURE FUNDING IS PROGRAMMED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, SUBJECT TO A YEARLY ASSESSMENT OF ITS NEEDS AND PRIORITIES. THE FUTURE FUNDING'S JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO STORM DRAINAGE. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT HERE ON STORM DRAINAGE, UH, YOU SEE SPENDING HERE IN, IN 26 AND THEN SPENDING GOES DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AFTER THAT. UM, SO PAGE 97 SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE. THIS IS JUST A, A POT FOR ANNUAL FUNDING TO CORRECT STORM DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AS IDENTIFIED BY COMPLAINTS AND FIELD INSPECTION. UH, FUNDING FOR FUTURE PROJECTS IS ALWAYS CONTINGENT UPON REPLACEMENT OF REGULAR GENERAL FUND REVENUES. THIS IS WHAT IT GETS INTO THE THEME OF STORM DRAINAGE. THIS AND SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN FOR, UH, WITH, THERE REALLY ISN'T A GOOD FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF STORMWATER PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. UH, AS WE SEE THE FUNDS GETTING SQUEEZED. SO WHEN WE SAY HERE, FUNDING OF, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS IS CONTINGENT UPON REPLACEMENT OF REGULAR GENERAL FUND WITH ALTERNATE ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, AND WE'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU, UH, SOMETIME LATER, HOPEFULLY SOME THIS YEAR, IS LOOKING AT A STORMWATER UTILITY. IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN APPROACH IN WHICH YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S METHODOLOGIES [02:30:01] INVOLVED. IT'S USUALLY, IT'S NOT A VERY EXPENSIVE APPROACH, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A KIND OF A REQUIRED FEE, UH, BASED ON PERMEABILITY OF THE SITE AND USUALLY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES TO FUND YOUR STORM DRAINAGE PROGRAM. WE DON'T HAVE ONE. WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT THE ONLY, UH, UH, DECENT SIZED CITY IN OUR REGION THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE FRANKLIN. ALL THE CITIES AROUND US PRETTY WELL DO TO HELP FUND THE STORM DRAINAGE NEEDS. THIS WOULD HELP US NOT ONLY KEEP UP AND, AND AND ENHANCE OUR MAINTENANCE ABILITY, IT'LL HELP US FUND OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL THAT WE JUST CAN'T GET TO. AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. AND SO I JUST, WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT. UH, AND AT A CERTAIN POINT WHEN WE'RE READY, WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE'LL, WE'LL BE GETTING IN FRONT OF YOU IN BRIEFINGS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW IT WORKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING. THE GENERAL FUND'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. NOW. YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ALWAYS SHIFT AWAY FROM STREETS IN THE STORM DRAINAGE IF YOU WANTED TO OR FELT YOU NEEDED TO. EITHER WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING ON SOMETHING YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE ON, SO IT'S NOT A NOT GOOD OPTIONS THERE. SO HOW, HOW CONCERNED ARE WE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF REDEVELOPMENT ON THE STORM DRAINAGE? AND THE REASON I ASK IS IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TAKING DOWN A LOT OF HOUSES AND OLDER AREAS OF TOWN THAT HAVE KIND OF ANTIQUATED STORM DRAINAGE. YEAH, WE'RE GOING IN WITH A LOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. YEAH. BEFORE WE'RE PUTTING THAT UP, I THINK WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT, WHICH IS, IS WHY WE'RE REALLY IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO UPDATE OUR CURRENT CODE, RIGHT. TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE THE CODE APPARENTLY DOESN'T DEAL WITH A LARGER HOUSE OR THE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE CONCRETE POOLS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, COVERING A LARGER PART OF THE PROPERTY AND PUSHING MORE WATER OFF THE PROPERTY. AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS OBVIOUSLY IS, IS, UH, ON AN ENGINEERING SIDE LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO UPDATE OUR CODE? AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO UPDATE THE CODE TO ADDRESS THOSE ON A SITE BY SITE. SO AT LEAST WHEN WE GET THAT CODE FINISHED, HOPEFULLY GET IT ADOPTED, ANY OF THE FUTURE SITUATIONS WHERE THE LARGER HOUSE IS GOING ON, WHERE THE SMALLER HOUSE WAS, UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONSITE, UH, IMPACTS, DEAL WITH IT ON SITE. SO THAT HELPS US IN THE FUTURE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE YET. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S COMING. IT IT'S, YEAH, IT'S IMPORTANT. I I JUST TELL FOLKS, IF YOU DRIVE MOORE LANE, UH, VERY FAR, I THINK IT'S JUST ON THE SIDE OF GORDON PETTY, UH, THERE'S A VERY LARGE HOUSE RUNNING MOORE LANE. IT'S THE GREATEST EXAMPLE. THERE'S OTHERS IN TOWN, YOU GUYS SEE TOO, WHERE YOU GO. BUT THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A LARGER HOUSE ON A, ON A PLACE THAT USED TO HAVE A SMALLER HOUSE SPRING ROAD. NO, I'VE SEEN THAT ONE. YEAH. COMING. THAT ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOO BIG FOR THE FOOTPRINT. IF THAT'S A COVINGTON, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WILSON WILSON PIKE, THERE'S A COUPLE OFF COURSE. YEAH. AND, AND WHILE I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING IT, I, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE USED IMPACT FEES OR OTHER WAYS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO ADDRESS HAVING A, SOME SORT OF REVENUE FLOW TO HELP ADDRESS STORM DRAINAGE THAT ARE TIED TO THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE SUCCESSFULLY FOUND A WAY TO TRY TO NAVIGATE THIS SORT OF CHANGE THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING HERE IN A WAY TO TRY TO TIE THE, THE, UM, THE CHANGE TO THE EXPENSE OF THE CITY TO TRY TO KEEP IT BALANCED. SURE. I MEAN, I'M, I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE HAVING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND BUILD THE HOUSE THEY WANT AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF IT MAKES AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS AND ON THE COMMUNITY, JUST TRY TO BUILD THAT IN SOMEHOW IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, I'M WONDERING IF PARENTS AGREE A VERY SOON INFORMATIONAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HAVE TOPICS TO DISCUSS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BRING TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THE MORE I RIDE AROUND AND SEE THE HOUSES ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER ON THE LOTS. MM-HMM . I MEAN THERE'S LIKE AN ALLEYWAY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ON WHAT USED TO BE A ONE ACRE LOT. AND RECENTLY, AS I MENTIONED, TODD WAS TELLING ME THAT ON OSRD LOTS, 40% IS ALL OF THE LOT THAT CAN BE BUILT ON. THERE ARE NO LIMITS LIKE THAT ON ONE ACRE. I THINK WE NEED TO IMMEDIATELY DISCUSS BRINGING AN ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THAT. I, I THINK THAT SHE AND NOT PART OF THE 2040, BUT YOU KNOW THIS WELL, WE WILL BE, WELL WE'VE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THINGS INTO 2040, SO CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL NOT TO JUMP OUT. THAT'S TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW. I MEAN, ALL I HAVE TO DO IS RIDE THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK AT THESE, I SAW ONE TODAY THAT'S BEEN FLATTENING. THEY'VE GOT UP THE BLACK FENCING AND I GUARANTEE YOU EVERY INCH WITHIN THAT BLACK FENCING WILL BE A HOUSE AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM LEFT ON EACH SIDE OF IT FOR GRASS. YEAH. WELL, WHEN AC LOTS DON'T PROTECT OUR GREEN SPACE THE WAY THEY USED TO, YOU KNOW, THE OSD SEEMS LIKE IT [02:35:01] ACTUALLY IS GONNA END UP PROTECTING GREEN SPACE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, R TWO. HUH? IT SEEMS LIKE O SRD IS GONNA END UP PROTECTING GREEN SPACE MORE THAN R TWO. YEAH, IT IS. AND I REALIZE THAT MY RESALE VALUE IS GOING DOWN WHEN I LIMIT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY SALE, IT'S GOTTA BE SMALLER IN SIZE, BUT I DON'T CARE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO. A LADY JUST, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TODD AND HER PART OF HER HOUSE IS ZONED OUR, UM, AR AND SHE WANTS IT REZONED OSRD. BUT IF WE DID THAT, IF THEY DID THAT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY CUT INTO WHERE HER HOUSE IS. IF, IF IT, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND SHE HAD TO REBUILD IT, SHE'D HAVE TO BUILD SMALLER BECAUSE THE OSRD IT IS MORE PROTECTING THAN THE, UM, THE AR IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. IT IS VERY INTERESTING. YEAH. I MEAN, REAL QUICK WITH REGARD TO CHANGING STRAIGHT ZONING A NON OSRD TO HAVE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS ON THE DEVELOPABILITY OF THE LOT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE THE LEGAL IMPLEMENT IMPLICATION. WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT CAN BE CONSIDERED A TAKING WHEN YOU REDUCE THE DEVELOPABILITY OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED A TAKING. SO WE'D WANT TO EXAMINE THAT. BUT UH, TO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL IMPACT, UM, COULD SOMEWHAT BE ADDRESSED FROM A STORMWATER POINT OF VIEW WITH THE STORMWATER UTILITY. BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU SET UP A, AN ERU, AN EQUIVALENT EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT IS, LET'S SAY 3,300 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FEET. THAT REPRESENTS AN AVERAGE SIZE HOUSE. WELL TO THE, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU EXCEED THAT, YOU PAY MORE, UH, THAN THIS HOW THE CITY OF FRANKLIN'S ORDINANCES DEVELOPED. YOU PAY MORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT THAN JUST ONE ERU DOES. JAY, THAT DOESN'T SOLVE IT. THESE PEOPLE HAVE MONEY TO THROW AWAY. THAT'S WHY THEY PAY ONE AND $2 MILLION FOR A LOT WHERE THERE'S JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE TEENY RANCHER NOW. AND THEN I'M JUST ADDRESSING THE STORMWATER THE PURPOSE OF THAT ONE ACRE LOT IS GONE. YEAH. YOU CAN DIE THEIR WAY OUT OF RULES. I WAS JUST ADDRESSING THE STORMWATER IMPACT OF, OF A, BUT I'M SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT VERY BIG. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL IMPACT. IT'S THE LOOP. ALL WE NEED TO FIND IT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIZE IMPACT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU GO AND LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, EVEN ON THE ONE ON MOORE'S LANE, YOU LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF LINES OF ALL, MOST OF THE OTHER HOUSES AND, AND THIS HOUSE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE OTHER. AND THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S CLOSER AS WELL. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL IMPACT, NOT JUST THE STORM DRAINAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE NO, I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE YARD. RIGHT. YOU GO DOWN TO THE CORNER OF MOORE'S LANE AND CROCKETT HILLS BOULEVARD AND YOU TELL ME WHERE THERE'S ANY GRASS THERE. IF THEY GET A PUSH LAWNMOWER AROUND EACH SIDE. YEAH, IT'S THE WHOLE, THAT WILL BE GOOD. IT'S THE WHOLE WHETHER OR NOT THAT EVEN FITS FROM A BROAD PERSPECTIVE. RIGHT. HEIGHT, SIZE, COVERAGE, ALL OF THAT ONTO THAT LOT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE. I DON'T CARE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, FIND A, I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A THREE STORY HOUSE, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE YES, WE'RE LOSING THAT. MM-HMM . THERE'S ONE THAT JUST DIDN'T. BRENTWOOD COUNTRY CLUB. THERE'S ONE THAT JUST DIDN'T. BRENTWOOD COUNTRY CLUB. WE HAD FRIENDS THAT WENT THROUGH THERE AND HE SAID, THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE, ALL YOU SEE IS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BECAUSE EXACTLY. IT'S CAUGHT ALL THE WAY BECAUSE THE SETBACKS. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY IS ON THAT. YOU'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT MODIFYING THE SETBACKS. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD LIMIT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME. UM, WE, WE'LL GO, I'LL PUT THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THERE. THERE WILL BE A LOT TO CONSIDER. PROBABLY THINK ON THE IMPACT. I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST. WE COULD TAKE A TOUR JUST TO REMIND AND SEE. WE ALL STAND TO GET RICH. SO I MEAN, WE'LL COME BACK AND WE WILL HIT THAT MORE QUICKLY AND TRY TO, I NEED TO TALK WITH TODD ON THE PLANNING SIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND REALLY FIGURE OUT, IT SEEMS SIMPLE, BUT THERE MAY BE MORE ASPECTS TO IT. WELL, THERE'S NOTHING SIMPLE ABOUT IT. SO WE HONORING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS WHILE STILL TAKING CARE OF THE, RIGHT. SO. WELL, WE CAN SNAP THROUGH IT THOUGH, BUT WE'LL DO THAT. THIS SEEMS LIKE EASE IT THERE. OKAY. I WANT TO KEEP YOU GOING HERE, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE PLACES TO GO. SO ON THE STORM WATER, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME LUNCH RIGHT THERE. YEAH, IF YOU'RE READY TO GRAB IT, FEEL FREE. UM, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING THOSE. SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE COMING UP. UH, AND THESE ARE ONES THAT HAVE COME IN FRONT OF YOU FOR DESIGN. SO THEY'RE ALL UNDER DESIGN WORK. ONE'S THE WILLIAMSBURG CIRCLE AND UH, UH, LET'S SEE. YEAH, THERE'S A GOOD PICTURE OF THAT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT OFF THE MARYLAND WAY ON YOUR WAY DOWN HERE. UM, AGAIN, UH, DOING A STUDY ON THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH, UH, KIMLEY HORN AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO CREATE MORE STORAGE FOR DETENTION. THE STUDY'S IN PLACE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR WHAT THE SOLUTION WOULD BE YET. SO [02:40:01] AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THEME ON STORM DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO PULL FROM STREETS OR SOME OTHER AREA. AND SO THIS IS PART OF WHY WE WANT TO LOOK AT STORM DRAINAGE. AND I LIKE THE THINKING ABOUT IF WE TALK ABOUT A UTILITY IMPACT FEE IS ANOTHER OPTION. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT THERE AS WELL. SO I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT ONE. WILSON PIKE CIRCLE PEACH COURT. THESE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU NOT TOO LONG AGO. UH, AGAIN, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF MODIFICATION HERE NOT LONG AGO, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS IT. UM, THIS COULD BE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE, MODERATELY EXPENSIVE PROJECT. UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE THINKING IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF 1.3 MILLION. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL. IT'S TOO EARLY. BUT, UM, AGAIN, FUNDING FOR A PROJECT WOULD BE RELATED, UH, TO ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THE, UH, ANALYSIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THE AREA BEHIND THE, UH, FORMER YMCA, UM, AT, UH, THERE'S FLOODING AT 5,100 WILLIAM WILLIAMSBURG ROAD. UM, AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER AREA, AGAIN, DOING THE, THE ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE SOLUTION, WE, WE COULD NOT FIND FUNDING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO THIS GOES BACK TO, UH, TRYING TO STAY WITHIN OUR MEANS CURRENTLY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL STORMWATER FUNDS. WE KNOW THE NEEDS THERE. SO, SO JASON'S THAT A, A CITY PROJECT OR IS THAT PART OF THE HIGHWOODS REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID. THERE'S A CITY ASPECT AND THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT ASPECT THERE. SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, INVESTIGATING THE POSSIBLE, UH, REGIONAL DETENTION AREA IS WHAT THAT WOULD IN ALL LIKELY THAT WE THINK THAT WOULD BE. AND SO, UH, WE HAVE MET WITH HIGH WOODS AND, UH, AND THE OWNER OF THE, UH, THE YMCA PROPERTY, UH, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A SHARED REGIONAL APPROACH. SO ONCE WE FINISH THE ANALYSIS, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT COULD MEAN AND THEN CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. BUT WE THINK THERE'S BEEN POSSIBILITY IT COULD BE A SHARED APPROACH. WHO WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH OUR FUNDS TO, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE PAY HAPPENED? THE COST FOR CHLORINE WOULD BE A, ALRIGHT, SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO CALL A FIVE MINUTE COMFORT BREAK? AND WE'RE ABOUT, THAT WAS A GOOD TIME. ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. SO, UH, FIVE AFTER WE'RE BACK AT IT. VERY GOOD. SIX OF YOUR BOOK. AND AGAIN, MOST OF THE PLENTY EMPHASIS AIRS IN 27 TIMEFRAME. SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, CONCORD PARK IN OH NINE. UH, REALLY ONE THING TO HIGHLIGHT HERE AS FAR AS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT SHOWS UP HERE AND THAT IS, UH, UH, LET'S, YEAH, THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE LIBRARY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS INCLUDE ASPHALT OVERLAY, THE WALKING TRAILS, AS WELL AS REPAIR AND PAINTING OF THE BOARD, UH, BOARD FENCE. SO WE HAVE THAT IN HERE FOR 27. THAT'S ALL FOR CONCORD PARK, ROCKET PARK LOT GOING ON ROCKET PARK. UM, LARGE PARK. CURRENTLY THIS YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, OF COURSE THE COOL SPRINGS HOUSE MAINTENANCE CHAIN LINK FENCE REPLACEMENT, UH, THE UPPER MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALL THE RESTROOMS, FLOORBOARD FENCE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT AMPHITHEATER, CLEANING, UH, WOODLAND PATH REPAIRS, UM, INSTALLATION OF, UH, CONCRETE TEE PADS FOR THE DISC GOLF COURSE INSTALLATION OF RAMP BETWEEN UPPER AND LOWER FIELDS, UH, AND FOURPLEX, UH, ONE SCOREBOARDS REPLACEMENT. SO A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING OUT IN THE 27, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND, UH, PARKING LOT, RESURFACING, SIDELINE NETTING, UH, FOR FOURPLEX TWO GATE FOR WOODLAND BASEBALL FIELD AND, AND, UH, DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT AND PATIO ADDITION. UH, SHADOW REPLACEMENT. EXTRAORDINARY, OTHER EXTRAORDINARY MAINTENANCE PROJECTS AT THE COLD SPRING HOUSE. UH, SO SOME EMPHASIS THERE. UM, LET'S SEE, JUST FI THE MAINTENANCE PROJECTS AT THE COAL SPRINGS HOUSE IS PROVIDED EACH YEAR WE PUT HAVE $15,000 A LARGE SCALE. FUTURE MAINTENANCE PROJECTS INCLUDE COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF THE AMPHITHEATER ROOF THAT SCHEDULED FOR 28 AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING, UH, COMPOUND IN 2029. SO IT KIND OF LAYS OUT THE PLAN FOR, UH, CROCKETT PARK OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. DID, UH, I HAVEN'T RIDDEN INTO GRANNY WHITE OR CROCKETT SINCE YOU'VE HAD THE STUFF, DID IT CLEAN UP? OKAY. [02:45:02] I THINK GENERALLY, JOHN, UM, WE JUST FINISHED HAULING OUT A CROCK A COUPLE DAYS AGO, SO, UM, OUR CONTRACTOR LEFT IN FAIRLY USED SHAPE. WE NEED TO GET ABLE INTO THE HARLEY RAKE RE YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP THE GRASS RECEDE. SO, BUT IT'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD. AND GRANNY WHITE, UM, THERE'S TACKLE, YEAH, SO IT LOOKS GOOD. VERY MINIMAL DAMAGE IF WE HAS SOME CONCRETE OR REPAIRS, BUT THOSE CAN BE DONE WHILE THE PARK'S OPEN. JUST CLOSING UP A FEW PARKING SPACE, IT'S AMAZING ALL THAT WORK AND STILL GOOD SHAPE, YOU KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. WE WALKED IT AND IT WAS, THEY HAD NOT EVEN FINISHED THE OFFICIAL CLEANUP AND IT LOOKED INCREDIBLE. YOU CANNOT TELL LOCKED IN A COUPLE. SO WE DON'T NEED TO RESEAL OR REPAINT THE BLACK LAPTOP. I, DAVE, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, I WAS OUT LAST WEEK. WAS THERE A TALK OF SOME LINE STRIPING? UH, THEY DID STRIPED THE PARKING LOT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO. THERE'S NO NEED AT GRANNY WHITE. IT WAS DONE. WOW. IT'S REALLY, IT'S AMAZING. AND THEN A QUESTION ON, UH, CROCK, YOU MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING IT TO THE LOCATION SOUTH OF THE INDOOR SOCCER COMPLEX, UM, WHERE WE DO FLATTER SPACE AND THE BATHROOMS. ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT OR ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING IT? UH, IN CURRENT LOCATION? IT, IT WOULD BE AT THE LOCATION THAT IT CURRENTLY IS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND SO YEAH. AND THAT, YEAH, THERE SHOULDN'T BE MUCH SITE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE TO GO ON, STILL HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE EXISTING ONE. AND THE PRICING THAT IS SHOWN HERE IS FOR A TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND, NOT REPLACEMENT IN KIND WITH, UH, LEATHERS CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? YES. IT WOULD BE A TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND METAL BLAST SHAPED VERSUS WOOD. SAME, SIMILAR SCALE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'D BE, IT'S A LARGE PLAYGROUND, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, DEERWOOD ARBORETUM, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, FOCUSING ON 2028, UH, SHELTER ROOF REPLACEMENT, RIDGE DECKING REPLACEMENT FOR BOARD FENCING REPLACEMENT SCHEDULED FOR DAN. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THAT QUESTIONS. IS THERE VERY MUCH DAMAGE TO DEERWOOD AND ? JUST SOME TREES DOWN, BUT OVERALL WE TREATED PRETTY WELL. OKAY. SO WE, THEY LOSING OUR CERTIFICATION BECAUSE OF THE, MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DID NOT LOSE ANY OF OUR CERTIFIED TREES. OH, THAT'S GREAT. YEAH, THAT IS GOOD. OH, IT BEAUTIFUL. SWEET. I IT LOOKED THE SAME. SO EVEN THE TREES THAT WERE LOST, IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT FROM WHAT I COULD TELL. THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE THOUGH. DISASTER'S, RECOVERY ALL PARTS ON ONE. UM, SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S FUNDING FOR THAT RECOVERY FOR GETTING INTO THE FORESTED AREAS AS SOME OF THE PARKS WHERE IT'S NECESSARY. AND TREE CANOPY WAS DAMAGED, UH, FOR REMOVAL OF ELIMINATION OF ANY HAZARDOUS, UH, HANGING BRANCHES. UH, SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT IN 27, UH, $75,000 PROVIDED FOR THAT, UH, MICHAEL PARKS PAGE ONE 17. I'LL TELL YOU WHOEVER THOUGHT LOOKING THAT PAGE UP THERE WAS SMART . THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR BEEN EASY TO FOLLOW. I NEEDED IT FOR MYSELF. . WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRILLIANT. I'M SO GLAD THEY HIRED YOU THIS FIRST YEAR, REALLY, THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD LITTLE THINGS RIGHT. THIS HAS BEEN A BREEZE. I'M GLAD YOU LIKE IT. UM, SO FOR FLAGPOLE WCO, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, FLAGPOLE PARK. UH, LET'S GET AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE. UM, WELL, OKAY, HERE WE GO. IN 26, UH, WE HAVE, UH, FOR FLAGPOLE PARK. HOLD ON A SECOND. I'VE GOT, MY NOTES AREN'T VERY GOOD ON THIS ONE. OKAY. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THERE FOR WEEL PARK. IN 26, WE HAVE INSTALLATION OF FOUR BOARD FENCING AT, UH, I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S WORDED. IN 26, WE HAVE INSTALLATION OF FOUR BOARD FENCING AT FLAGPOLE PARK AT THE ENTRANCE. AND THEN IN 27, UH, WE HAVE, UH, PLAYGROUND MULCH REPLACEMENT AND PAINTING IN FLOORBOARD, UH, FENCING, UH, AS WELL. SO MOST OF IT'S REALLY IN THE FLAGPOLE PARK AREA. DID, BUT NOT, NOT A WHOLE LOT NEEDED FOR THOSE. ALRIGHT. PARK STILL LAST A LOT AND GRANNY, WHY? WE HAVE, UH, PRIMARILY PLACEHOLDER FUNDING. WE HAVE 50,000 SHOWN IN EACH OF THE YEARS, UH, FOR MISCELLANEOUS REPAIR, REPLACEMENT NEEDS THAT HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. UH, PROJECTS FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WE A LOT IN THE CURRENT YEAR, OBVIOUSLY WITH, UH, PAVILION IMPROVEMENTS AND PAINTING THE CONCESSION STAND BUILDING FOR 27. UH, WE HAVE BACKSTOP PAINTING, FENCE REPLACEMENT, FRONT GATE PAINTING, FRONT, UH, FENCE REPAIRS, RENOVATION AND INSTALLATION OF, UH, BLEACHER PADS. [02:50:01] SO, UH, QUITE A IN 27 AND THEN PLACEHOLDER FUNDING FROM FOR THE REST OF THE YEARS. BELIEVE YOUR PADS BEING LIKE THE CONCRETE PAD THAT THEY WOULD PUT MR TO. YES. SMITH PARK ON PAGE 1 21. JUST, UH, A NOTE AS, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT THE REAR PORTION OF THE PARK REMAINS UNDEVELOPED AND RIGHT NOW IS UNPLANNED. UH, SO NOTHING NEW THERE. 26 CURRENT YEAR IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE THE HIKING AND MOUNTAIN VIKING TRAILS, AS WELL AS FUNDING FOR ANY EXTRAORDINARY MAINTENANCE AT, UH, RAVENSWOOD THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WAS MOVED FROM 26 TO 27 WITH INCREASED FUNDING INCLUDE AN ACCESS DRIVE. SO IF YOU WONDER WHY THE FUNDING THERE SIGNIFICANT IS THE ACCESS DRIVE IS IS IS LITERALLY DRIVING THAT IN 27. THE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDES SOME FOUR BOARD FENCE REPLACEMENT AT, UH, THE RAVEN UH, WOOD SCHOOL TRAIL, REROOF OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, UH, FILL AND REHAB THAT RAVENS WOOD. UH, 27 AND 28 EACH INCLUDE FUNDING FOR REPLACEMENT OF UH, NINE WINDOWS, NINE OF 18 WINDOWS AT THE MANSION. 27 HAS SOME PLACEHOLDER FUNDING ALSO FOR RENEWABLE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS, OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT COME UP. SO WE ARE STARTING TO SEE QUITE A BIT OF MAINTENANCE THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST REALLY PART OF KEEPING UP YOUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND, AND KEEPING 'EM HISTORIC, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. ALRIGHT, UH, MARGARET POWELL PARK REALLY JUST, UH, WE HAVE 70,000 IN IN 2029, UH, AND THAT IS RELATED TO REPLACEMENT OF THE POND ATION UNIT AND DREDGING OF THE DETENTION POND. SO THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD OUT CREEK PARK. THE CURRENT PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THIS YEAR INCLUDE NEW BASKETBALL BACKBOARDS, PLAYGROUND MULCH AND PLAYGROUND ROOF REPLACEMENT. SO AS WE LOOK INTO THE NEXT YEAR, WE'RE HAVE REPLACEMENT OF TWO SMALL ROOFS ON PLAYGROUND SHELTERS, REPAIR AND PAINTING OF THE FULL BOARD FENCING. UM, 4 29 RESURFACING OF THE PARKING LOT IS PROGRAMMED AND THE BOARDWALK IS TENTATIVELY PROJECTED, BE REPLACED IN 2030 AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, SOME FUTURE YEARS WE HAVE PROGRAM FUNDS IN THERE FOR THINGS THAT MIGHT UH, HAPPEN. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ALRIGHT, UH, FOR THIS YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE REIMBURSEMENT, UH, FOR HISTORIC COMMISSION FOR HALF OF THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT AS WELL AS 5,000 FOR MISCELLANEOUS MINOR REPAIRS. UH, FUTURE YEARS WE JUST HAVE, UH, FUNDING PUT IN THERE FOR MINOR REPAIRS WE MIGHT SEE COME UP, UH, THAT ARE KIND OF BEEN, UH, DETERMINED AND NEEDED SUCH AS BRICK, UH, THREE POINTING PAINTING AND CARPENTRY AND THINGS THAT COME UP ALONG THE WAY. SO REALLY PLACEMENT HOLDING FOR ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE. UH, RIVER PARK, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A REPLACING PLAYGROUND MULCH REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAYGROUND ROOF FOR THIS YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO NEXT YEAR FOR 27 FUNDING FOR PAINTING THE FLOORBOARD FENCE. UH, FUTURE PROJECTS WILL BE PROGRAMMED AS NEEDED, UH, TO ENHANCE THE AESTHETICS OF OF THIS PARK. UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING RIGHT THERE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, BEYOND THE, UH, 5,000 IN 2027, THE PENDING OF THE FOR BOARD FENCE. BUT THEN AS WE IDENTIFY AND WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN AND WE'LL BE PENDING FUNDS IN AND FUTURE DATES. ALRIGHT. TOWER PARK, WE HAVE FUNDING IN 2027 FOR NEW SOCCER GOALS. UH, WE HAVE POTENTIAL SHED REPLACEMENT AND, AND THE EXPECTED RECONFIGURATION OR THE RELOCATION OF MS UH, PEGGY'S BARK PARK, UH, SCHEDULED AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT'S SCHEDULED FY 2027, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE STATUS OF THE SEWER EQUALIZATION TANK, WHICH WE SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. SO NOT A LOT GOING ON THERE. VETERANS MONUMENT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU'LL GET AN UPDATE IN MAY. AND SO WE'RE USING THE GUIDANCE. OH YEAH, WE DID ADD, OH YEAH, WE DID ADD A SLIDE. YEAH. TALK ABOUT THE BARK PARK. HERE'S ANOTHER, JUST TO KIND OF GET YOU PERCOLATING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY. UH, IF WE DO NEED TO MOVE IT RATHER THAN LEAVE IT IN TOWER PARK, THAT'S A POTENTIAL LOCATION. AND THAT'S OVER OBVIOUSLY IN CROCKETT PARK. IT'S RESTROOMS. IT'S IN A PRETTY WIDE OPEN AREA. IS THAT KNOWN AS THE MEADOW? YES, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I WENT, THAT WAS THE PROPOSED SITE BEFORE MM-HMM . AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT IN DROVES. HE'S TOLD THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBABILITY WOULD BE, BUT PHYSICALLY FITS WELL FOR THAT IF WE DO NEED TO MOVE IT. I THINK THAT'S [02:55:01] STILL IN QUESTION, BUT IF WE DO, THAT'S ONE LOCATION. SO DO YOU THINK MISS PEGGY, UH, MISS PEGGY'S ORGANIZATION WAS MISS PEGGY'S DOG PARK INSTEAD OF MISS PEGGY'S BARK PARK? I, I DO THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. MARK IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD TO HAVE IN THE NAME IF, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MARKET IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT. . NOW, I WILL SAY USUALLY DOG PARKS, THOSE OF YOU THAT USE THEM KNOW THIS. YOU KNOW, DOGS WILL BARK A LOT MORE WHEN THEY'RE CHAINED UP OR IN A SMALL ENCLOSURE THAN THEY WILL WHEN THEY GET THE RIGHT FOR AND HAVE SOME FUN. SO THEY'RE USUALLY REALLY NOT AS LOUD AS PEOPLE PRESUME THEY WILL BE. DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME BARKING FROM TIME TO TIME. THE DOG GUY GOES TO BARK THE DIFFERENT DOG PARKS. I MEAN, I DON'T FIND THEM GENERALLY BARKING IN DOG PARKS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST RUNNING AROUND THERE. BAD LABELING AT THE, IS THE WALL ANY FURTHER THAN IT IS FROM WHERE YOU PARKED NOW TO GET TO THE DOG CLOSER, BE CLOSER LOT, BECAUSE THAT'S A LONG WALK. THE DOG IS WORN OUT BY, WELL, THE OWNER IS, HE WAS THE SLEEP PARK DOG, SLEEP PARTNER. THERE'S SO MANY DOGS IN CRACK PARK ALREADY. I MEAN, YEAH, PEOPLE ARE OUTDOOR DOGS ALL THE TIME. WOULD BE A GREAT VACATION FOR IT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHO THE ONE WAS LEAST NO, NO IDEA. JUST FROM WE HAVE SOME IDEA, JUST FROM A MUNICIPAL POINT OF VIEW. THAT'S THE PERFECT SITE. YEAH. BATHROOM'S ALREADY THERE. THE PARKING'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S A LOT OF SPACE. YOU DON'T NEED IT ALL. YEP. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOTHING SET IN STONE BY YEAH, MIGHT BE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, VETERANS MONUMENT, AGAIN, YOU'LL GET UPDATED IN MAY, UH, ON THAT. AND, UH, WE PLUGGED IN INTO NUMBERS FOR 27, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY'RE PRIVATELY FUNDED NUMBERS. BUT WE'LL COME THROUGH THE, THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE FINANCES AT SOME POINT, UH, BASED ON THE GUIDES THAT YOU PROVIDED WHEN WE LAST TALKED ABOUT IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW, UH, RAY, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? ALRIGHT, UH, GONNA BUILD UP THE SUSPENSE . UH, WENDY HILL PARK, UH, HAS SOME FUNDS IN 2027. UH, THIS GOES BACK TO WE, WE BEEN COMMUNICATING A LITTLE BIT ON THIS WITH REGARDS TO VEHICLES AND THINGS GETTING BACK IN THERE. WE DON'T WANT, SO THIS INCLUDES FENCING FOR THE PARKING LOT AND TRAIL HEADS, STONE, SOME STONEWALL WORK EXPANDED CONCRETE AROUND THE RESTROOM AND BOLLARDS FOR THE TRAIL ENTRANCES. SO WE WANNA GET TO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY IF WE CAN. IS THE, UH, FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THE SOUTHERN, THE SOUTHEAST PORTION, THE WHITE FENCE, IS THAT OURS OR DOES IT BELONG TO THE HOUSE? IT'S, IT IS OURS. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S SECTIONS THAT ARE DOWN. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN 'EM FROM THE TREES. UH, I CHECK UP . OKAY. YEP. NO FOLLOW UP ON THAT SIDEWALK CLEANED UP. OKAY. FROM THAT INCIDENT WE HAD, OH, LOOK AT IT. STILL THERE UNTIL THERE, BUT, UH, I THINK AS SOON AS IT RAINS, IT'LL TAKE IT ON THE SUN WILL. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY FADED A LOT BECAUSE I WALK THERE USUALLY ONCE A WEEK, SOMETIMES TWICE, BUT, AND IT'S MUCH FADED FROM WHEN IT ORIGINALLY HAPPENED, SO. OKAY. UTILITIES, SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE MAIN SHEET ON PAGE 1 38, THE 2029 RIGHT NOW IS SORT OF OUR BE THE BIGGEST YEAR, AND THAT'LL BE DRIVEN BY THE EQUALIZATION TANK. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, WE'LL START WITH, UH, BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. UM, CURRENTLY THEY'RE, WE'RE FINALIZING, UH, DESIGN BIDDING SERVICES AND, AND, AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, ADMINISTRATION FOR UPCOMING WORK. UH, THE CHANGES AROUND THE BIN LOCATIONS, UH, COVERING THE OLD BIN AREA, UH, DRY SPACE STORAGE AND REALLY THE SHOP, THE OUT THE OUTDOOR AREA, GETTING THAT DONE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT CURRENTLY. UM, LET'S SEE. OKAY, THAT WAS BID IN 2025, CONTRACTED AWARDED. SO, UM, IN 2027, ENGINEERING, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION OF WHICH WE CONTINUE THROUGH 27. UM, SO THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF ALL OF THAT, UH, WORK OUT IN THE OUTER AREA. UM, AGAIN, NOT A LOT. THIS IS REALLY JUST TO REARRANGE AND HELP US BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. NOT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL WORK. AND UNTIL, EXCEPT FOR THAT, UNTIL WE REALLY KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE FUTURE, THAT YOU WON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT ON THE, ON THAT AREA. THIS STUFF THAT'S IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. MISCELLANEOUS SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THIS TYPICALLY RUNS SMALLER SEWER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. UH, THIS YEAR IT INCLUDED ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION, UH, RELATED TO RAGSDALE ROAD, UH, WIDENING, WHICH WE MENTIONED BEFORE. UH, VARIOUS NEW SEWER EXTENSIONS UNDER THE NEW ROADWAY. UH, ALSO THIS YEAR AND [03:00:01] CONTINUING INTO NEXT YEAR AND 28, WE HAVE FUNDING PROGRAMMED, UH, FOR ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION OF WATER AND SEWER UTILITY RELOCATIONS FOR OLD SMYRNA ROAD WIDENING. UH, FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED IN 26 AND THIS YEAR FOR ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE EMERGENCY GENERATORS PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, LET'S SEE, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDED PROJECT AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HEARD BACK, WE'RE ABLE TO GET MORE MONEY FROM OUR FUNDS DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTY ON THAT, THAT ARE, THAT WERE JUST RECENTLY BECAME AVAILABLE. I SENT YOU SOME CORRESPONDENCE ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION OR NOT. IF IT HAS, IF IT HASN'T, IT'LL BE SOON. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO, BASICALLY, IT'LL HELP ACTUALLY REIMBURSE A BIG CHUNK OF THAT PROJECT THAT WE FUNDED, UH, OURSELVES OUT OF OUR OWN POCKETS, UH, FROM OUR FUNDS. SO THAT WILL BE GOOD. UM, THE, THE FUNDS IN THE FUTURE YEARS ARE REALLY JUST PLACEHOLDER FUNDS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. PAGE ONE, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONEY. WAS THAT PART OF COVID? I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE, THERE WERE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FEDERAL FUNDING PACKAGES. YEAH, IT'S PART OF ALL OF THAT SPENDING. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IT HAS TO BE SPENT BY THE END OF THE YEAR. UH, MS SCIENCE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS ON PAGE 1 45. UH, AGAIN, THOSE ARE, AS IT KIND OF SAYS, THOSE ARE ONGOING WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON AS NEEDED BASIS. UH, SMALL LINE EXTENSIONS, UPSIZING TO HELP FOR FIRE FLOWS, UH, CONNECTORS, UH, ADDING, YOU KNOW, VALVES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAVE ENGINEERING SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE OLD SMYRNA ROAD WATERLINE RELOCATION, UH, ENGINEERING FUNDS ARE CONTINUED IN THE 27 AND 28, UH, ALONG CONSTRUCTION FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. ALSO THIS YEAR, UPGRADES OF WATER, WATER STATION SITES TO ENABLE INSTALLATION OF GENERATORS AS WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, UH, LET'S SEE, AS WELL AS ENGINEERING SERVICES AND RELATED CONSTRUCTION WORK. UH, AGAIN, A FUNDS RELATED ON THAT. UH, OH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, I JUMPED AHEAD. THAT'S REALLY THE ONE THAT I BELIEVE ONCE BOTH OF THEM AND I THINK ABOUT IT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. YEAH, SO ARP FUNDS WERE FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS AND SO ANY ADDITIONAL WE GET, WE'LL OFFSET ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS, BOTH ON THE WATER AND THE SEWER SYSTEM SIDE. SO, AGAIN, STRAIGHTFORWARD ON THIS ONE. NOT A WHOLE LOT THERE. SEWER LIFT STATION REHABILITATION. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS FAR AS THE TOPIC. AND, AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE CONTINUING ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ARDEN WOODS AND SCALES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SEWER LIFT STATION PROJECT. UH, THE SCOPE INCLUDED THE ABANDONING OF THE ARDEN WOODS SEWER PUMP STATION AND EXTENDING A GRAVITY SEWER LINE FROM THAT LOCATION TO THE SCALE SCHOOL AREA SEWER PUMP STATION. SO WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE. UH, THAT'S FOLLOWED BY THE UPSIZING OF THE SEWER LIFT STATION. UH, THERE. SO WE, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT WAS LATE FALL OF 24. SIGNIFICANT EQUIPMENT DELAYS FORCED THAT PROJECT INTO 26, SO INTO THIS YEAR. SO THE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION THIS YEAR. ACTUALLY IT SHOULD BE CLOSE. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH DONE. OKAY. SMALL CLEANUP ITEMS. OKAY, SO JUST, UH, JUST FINAL ITEMS ON THAT. SO REALLY IT'S JUST KIND OF FINISHING UP THERE. 27. WE DO HAVE, UH, FUNDS INCLUDED FOR UPGRADES ON THE I, UH, 65 SEWER STATION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE SHOWED THERE. PAGE 1 49, SEWER REHABIL REHABILITATION PROGRAM. UM, THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT THAT INCLUDES ELEMENTS OF FLOW MONITOR MONITORING, INSPECTION SYSTEM REHABILITATION, REPAIR OF AGING, SEWER, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, AGAIN AIMED AT REDUCING OVERFLOWS AND SYSTEM DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS. UM, A LOT OF YEARS OF, UH, FIELD WORK DEVELOPING THIS. UM, SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY, THIS IS A CONSTANT PROGRAM. UM, PROJECT ENGINEERS WORKING, UH, TO BID WORK IN THE SPRING OF, OF THIS YEAR. SO HERE SOON FUNDS WILL PROGRAM FOR, UH, ENGINEERING 27 AND INTO 28 WE'LL HAVE A CONTINUATION OF SEWER REHAB PROJECT, UH, AND ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK FUNDING AND FUTURE YEARS, UH, IS JUST REALLY, UH, HOLDING DOLLARS FOR THE FUTURE. UH, WORK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN INCLUDES TESTING, INSPECTIONS, ATED MONITORING AND, AND OTHER PROJECTS. SO AREN'T YOU GLAD THAT, THAT THOSE LAST LINES WEREN'T $10 MILLION OR $8 MILLION FOR LIKE IT WAS FOR SEVERAL YEARS? YEAH. YEAH, I BET. YEAH, THAT'S A, IT CAN COSTLY REALLY FAST SEW SYSTEM. CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LITTLE TIME. UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS INTENDED TO FUND FUTURE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS AND ARE NEEDED TO ASSURE THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS THE CAPACITY FOR GROWTH WITHIN OUR DISTRICT AND THE AREA WE SERVE, UH, DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR SEWER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN. SO, UH, IN 26 THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ONGOING ENGINEERING SERVICES, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLANNING DESIGN OF THE, OF TOWER PARK AREA AND EQUALIZATION [03:05:01] TANK NUMBER TWO. OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS A, ABOUT INITIALLY $21 MILLION PROJECT. SOMEONE THERE, BALLPARK. YEAH. NOW THE ESTIMATING IS AT 40, WHICH IS, I MEAN, IT'S OFF THE CHART SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. UM, IT'S NOT A FINAL ESTIMATE. IT'S BEST, UH, BEST COST WHERE THEY ARE IN THE DESIGN. WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL ESTIMATE AT DESIGN. AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE BID, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, UH, I ASKED DREW TO LOOK AT IS, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT PROMPTS A QUESTION OF, GOSH, WHEN DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS? RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SORT OF THE PERFORMANCE BECAUSE THIS IS IN A, THIS WAS IN LINE WITH OUR, OUR FIRST TANK. THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE. THEY BOTH RELATE FROM THE SYSTEM. SO HOW'S THE FIRST TANK DOING? AND UH, IT'S DOING FINE. BUT WE HAVE ONCE, A COUPLE TIMES, A COUPLE, THREE TIMES I HADN'T LOOKED BACK, UH, THAT UH, WE'VE HAD LIKE A THREE INCH RAIN. IT GETS TO A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY. SO I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT SEEING AS MUCH CAPACITY PERHAPS AS WE'D REALLY LIKE THAT SAYS, HEY, MAYBE WE CAN PUT THIS OFF LATER. NOW I WILL SAY, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WE THINK THERE ARE SOME ARTIFICIAL, UH, PRICE FACTORS HERE GOING ON, UH, THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER THAN JUST SAY TODAY'S PRICE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE INFLATION IN THE FUTURE, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COST MORE. CAN'T SAY THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE, BUT WE THINK THERE COULD BE ARTIFICIAL PRICE FACTORS. IT'S ALL STEEL STEEL'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW. UM, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THE IDEA OF DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR STATE OFFICIALS LOOK CLOSELY AND SAY, CAN WE BUY A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND SEE IF SOME OF THOSE PRICE FACTORS CAN GO AWAY AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT BRINGS IT DOWN TO 20, BUT TO AFFECT THIS PRICE AND THEN, AND THEN LOOK MORE AT IT. I THINK IT DOES PROMPT THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE. RIGHT NOW YOU SEE IT IN 28 AND 29. UH, SO, UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING IT IN 27, BUT 28 AND 29, BUT, UH, WE REALLY HAVE TO PAY, THIS IS JUST TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE. AND SO WE ALSO THEN HAVE TO GO BACK AND MODEL IN THAT CAPITAL COST WITH THE BONDS AND THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS TO PAY FOR IT. AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE RATES THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED AND THE RATE PLAN THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS GOING TO AFFECT IT. THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH, SO THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO ON THIS PROJECT, BUT WE DID USE 27 WE WANTED TO BUY THAT YEAR. WE HAVE SOME MORE WORK TO DO ON THIS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT 28, 29 AS PLACEHOLDER FUNDING. DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T HAPPEN IN 28 AND 29, BUT THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD STILL QUESTIONS ONE IN TERMS OF THE A HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE IN PRICE, DID, WAS THAT PRICE INFLATION BASED ON COST OF THE SAME EXACT DESIGN OR DID WE LEARN THINGS ABOUT THE DESIGN AND LOCATION AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ADDED TO THE PRICE? SO I, I'D BE CURIOUS. I MEAN THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN MOVE THAT COULD CAUSE A PROJECT. YEAH. DREW, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD AND HELP ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH THOSE ISH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, SO YOU KNOW, AS WITH ANYTHING, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY DESIGN, BUT THEN AS YOU GET INTO ACTUAL DESIGN, THERE ARE ASPECTS OF, OF A PROJECT, ESPECIALLY THIS LARGE OF A PROJECT THAT UM, YOU GET A MORE DEFINED COST. AND THOSE COSTS IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE GONE UP OVERALL. SO, SO THE DESIGN IS REALLY NOT CHANGED. THE DESIGN HAS NOW, I MEAN IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. THERE'S NO BIG SCOPE , IT'S STILL THE BIGGEST COST INCREASE IS MATERIALS OR I, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. UM, I I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT EITHER. I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, LABOR COSTS HAVE GONE UP. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, OUR ENGINEER HAS, HAS TAKEN RECENT REAL WORLD PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN METRO AND OTHER UTILITIES AND APPLIED THAT PRICING AND YOU KNOW, IT'S RELATIVELY ACCURATE. DO THESE COMPANIES BILL LIKE ATTORNEYS BY HOURS OR, OR FLAT, RIGHT? I MEAN REALLY, I DON'T KNOW BY THE GALLON. IT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN OUR INDUSTRY. THEY DO IT BY THE GALLON. IT'S A PAPER FLUSH. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT BURYING THE TANK, BUT WE SAID IT COULD DOUBLE THE PRICE. WE'VE DOUBLED THE PRICE AND WE'RE NOT BURYING THE TANK TANK. I DON'T SEE WHAT BURYING CAN YOU IMAGINE LOOK LIKE, AND THIS IS STORM WATER, RIGHT? NO, IT IS SANITARY SEWER. AND DO WE NEED, IT'S INDUCED FROM STORMWATER LEADING INTO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THOUGH. AND DO WE NEED 8 MILLION GALLON TANK? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT, UH, OUR MASTER PLAN STUDY AND OUR ENGINEERS HAVE INDICATED. 8 MILLION IS WHAT'S REQUIRED. WHAT WAS OUR REQUIREMENT FROM T DECK IN TERMS OF HAVING THESE TWO TANKS? IS IT JUST REDUCING CAPACITY ON THE, IT IS REDUCING OVERFLOWS IN OUR SYSTEM ULTIMATELY, BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIFIC TARGET OR, OR THROUGH ENGINEERING STUDIES YOU CAME UP WITH, WITH HOW MUCH WE NEED. CORRECT. YOU HAVE A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T [03:10:01] OVERFLOW IN YOUR SYSTEM INTO THE, THE STREAMS OF, OF, OF TENNESSEE. SO EVENTUALLY THAT COULD RELATE INTO, OR COULD RESULT FINES, I WOULD THINK. RIGHT. AND THEN POTENTIALLY THEY SEND A MANDATE DOWN THAT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS NOW. SO WE, WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AS WE LOOK AT THIS AND SEE, BUT WE STILL WANT TO, WE KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS PROJECT AND WE KNOW THAT THE FIRST TANK'S DOING ITS JOB, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEING USED. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR THE SECOND ONE. UM, SO AGAIN, WE JUST PUT HOLDING IN HERE THERE. OTHER QUESTION ON THE FIRST TANK WE MENTIONED THAT WE'VE HAD IT A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL A COUPLE TIMES. SO DO WE THINK THAT IT'S MORE A FUNCTION IF IT WENT FROM LIKE ZERO TO 100% ON THAT ONE STORM OR IS IT THAT IT WAS AT 25% WHEN THE STORM STARTED? 'CAUSE WE HADN'T BROUGHT IT DOWN FAST ENOUGH OR WE CAN'T DRAW IT DOWN. SO, AND THOSE STORMS WERE, WERE AT OR ABOVE A TWO YEAR 24 HOUR STORM? YEAH, OVER THREE, IF YOU RECALL IN PAST CONVERSATIONS, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS KIND OF DESIGNED TO THAT TWO YEAR, 24 HOUR STORM. ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DESIGN FOR ANYTHING, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MONEY INVOLVED FOR THAT AND, AND, AND JUST NOT REALISTIC. SO DREW IN THE DRY TIME, LIKE RIGHT NOW IS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE. UH, WOULD THERE BE TYPICALLY ANY SEWAGE IN THAT, IN THAT FIRST TANK? I MEAN WE LIKE PROBABLY NOT. IF IT EVER RAINED, WE'D BE GREAT. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY JUST NORMAL TIMES APPEARS, GO AHEAD. JUST NORMAL TIMES LIKE AROUND HERE, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN IT'S NORMAL MOISTURE, WE GET RAIN TWICE A WEEK, BUT THEY'RE NOT HUGE RAINSTORM EVENTS. SO THAT WOULDN'T NO LIKE, UM, 10%, LIKE A COUPLE OF THOSE EVENTS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UH, WHERE WE REACHED A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY AND, AND UM, THEY WERE LIKE, UM, I THINK ONE WAS LIKE A FIVE INCH RAIN THAT WE HAD HAD TWO YEARS AGO. UM, ANOTHER ONE WAS LIKE A 3.5, A TWO YEAR, 24 HOUR STORM FOR THIS REGION IS 3.15 INCHES IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. SO THAT'S RARE. THAT'S VERY RARE. CORRECT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY WE'VE KIND OF STARTING TO SEE A LOT, LOT MORE HIGH INTENSITY RAINFALLS IT SEEMS IN RECENT YEARS. WELL THAT SYSTEM THAT WE, THAT COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM WHERE WE ARE, WE PROJECTING HOW MUCH WE CAPACITY OR HOW MUCH STORM WATER WE CAN ABSORB IN CERTAIN AREAS AND, AND WE GOT SUCH A GOOD RATING FROM TAC FOR THAT. AND, AND WAS THAT, WAS THAT TELLING US HOW, WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT NUMBER OR JUST GIVING US THE MONEY? SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE HYDRAULIC MODEL, THE SIZE, ALL THIS? YEAH. AND, AND OUR MASTER PLAN THAT CREATED THE HYDRAULIC MODEL THAT HAS SIZED THESE TANKS AND EVERYTHING FOR US, KEEP IN MIND TOO, THESE TANKS ARE ARE BUILT FOR FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 4 MILLION, YOU GOT A 8 MILLION GALLON TANK INITIALLY, WE MAY NOT USE THAT FULL 8 MILLION GALLONS STARTING OFF, BUT IT IS DESIGNED THAT WE HAVE PLANNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, SO THIS ISN'T GUESSWORK. I MEAN WE'VE GOT THESE NUMBERS THAT OH YES, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON ON, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I MEAN I'M SORT OF COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING BASED ON WHAT WE SPENT TO DO THOSE PROJECTIONS. YEAH, THE BIGGEST SURPRISE IS REALLY THINKING AT ONE POINT IT MIGHT BE IN THE LOW TWENTIES UP TO NOW 40 MILLION IN COST. THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST SURPRISE. BUT THE, THE REST OF IT, THE DESIGN, THE, THE OUTFITS OF THE SYSTEM AND ALL THE NEED IS NOT A SURPRISE. HOW LONG HAS THE OTHER TANK BEEN ON? EIGHT YEARS? NO, UM, 23. JANUARY 1 23 IS WHEN IT CAME OFF. SO IT'S RELATIVELY, YEAH. AND I KNOW YOU SAID JUST TO LOOK AT THIS COST OF SEAL AND TO SEE, BUT I FEEL LIKE EVERY, EVERY MONTH OR EVERY YEAR TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S JUST GONNA GET MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE EVEN THOUGH STEEL MIGHT COME DOWN. OTHER THINGS ARE, I MEAN, LABOR COSTS, ALL OF IT. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IT, I'M SURE, BUT IT'S LIKE, I WOULD AGREE. THINGS TYPICALLY DON'T GET CHEAPER AND IT'S, THEY ESPECIALLY DON'T GET THAT MUCH CHEAPER. RIGHT. UH, BUT THERE, THERE COULD I I DO THINK THAT THERE IS MAYBE A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SMALL PAUSE AND KIND OF REASSESS THINGS. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MY OPINION WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, IT'S A BIG QUESTION. IT MIGHT BE GOOD. I DON'T KNOW DREW, IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, HOW MANY TANKS AROUND THE COUNTRY OF THAT NEAR OR CLOSE TO THAT SIZE FOR THAT PURPOSE HAVE BEEN BUILT? JUST TO GET AN IDEA RIGHT, OF WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT THEY COST TO SEE HOW, HOW OUTRAGEOUS IS THIS? OR REALLY WHAT'S THE FIRST NUMBER? JUST LOW. YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME NUMBERS AND SEE A LOT OF THESE SEE BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE US A GOOD INDICATION AS TO WHETHER WE'RE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S JUST GONNA DO THIS OR WHETHER THERE'S A A, THERE COULD BE A [03:15:01] DIP ON SOME FACTOR THAT YOU JUST HIT THE TIMING RIGHT AND YOU GOTTA RUN WITH IT. YOU CAN DO THAT. KIND OF COME UP WITH A REGIONAL STUDY OF, OF RECENTLY BUILT TANKS AND THOSE COSTS. I JUST HATE TO LIKE IN TWO YEARS US SITTING HERE SAYING IT'S NOW OH YEAH. 45 AND YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE JUST WELL AND TAKING UP NEXT YEAR WE'VE GOT, LIKE YOU SAID, A PAUSE, BUT JUST I GUESS THE FIVE 50 FOR LIKE JUST MORE DESIGN STUFF OR MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S ALL ENGINEERING COSTS. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN OF ENGINEERING AND THAT ALSO WILL HELP US FIRM UP THAT COST. WHETHER IT STAYS THE SAME, GOES UP OR EVEN LOWER. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS IF THEN WE DECIDE THAT WE HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A YEAR, WE'VE GOT ALL THAT IN PLACE. THAT WON'T CHANGE. I WOULDN'T THINK THE ENGINEERING'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. SO, 'CAUSE I DON'T PICTURE THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT WITH SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY WHERE IT JUST TOTALLY CHANGES HOW THEY DO EQUALIZATION TANKS. SO YEAH, NO, THAT PORTION, UH, SHOULD CONTINUE. YOU NEVER WANNA STOP DESIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING. SO WE WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD JUST HELP US FIRM UP WHAT OUR ACTUAL COSTS WILL BE SO WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY. WE KIND OF FINALIZED AT LEAST THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, WE NEED TO BE PROGRAMMING THAT TO SEE AGAIN WHAT THE RATE IMPACT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT. AND T DECK IS BASICALLY REQUIRING THIS IN OUR SYSTEM. I KNEW THE FIRST ONE DEFINITELY REQUIRED 'CAUSE I WENT THE FIRST ONE WAS WE ARE, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER AN UNDER. SO, BUT THIS ISN'T OUR MASTER PLAN. UM, AND, AND THAT WAS PROVIDED TO TAC BUT IT BE TRANSPARENT, NOT LIKE WE HAVE SOME RIGHT. IT'S NOT THE FIRST AND THE FIRST ONE WE HAD TO GET DONE, WE HAD TO GET DONE BY A CERTAIN DAY. MM-HMM . THAT JANUARY 1, 23, THIS ONE. WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO, FOR THE SYSTEM TO OPERATE PROPERLY. YES. I MEAN IF NOT TOMORROW IT, IT WILL BE NEEDED. SO THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF REHAB THAT WE CAN DO THIS. UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON WITH REHAB AND, AND THAT IS UM, YOU KNOW, A DIGITAL OPTION. BUT AT THIS MOMENT I DON'T SEE THAT REALLY MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE TO THAT, THAT STRUCTURE, THAT SIZE, THE LOCATION. SO IN OTHER WORDS, A LOW HANGING FRUIT ON ON THAT'S BEEN PLUCKED ALREADY. YEAH, THE SYSTEM WAS IN VERY BAD SHAPE AND WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB REHABILITATING IT MM-HMM . UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE, THERE'S STILL JUST, UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. AND I'D LOVE IF IT HADN'T DOUBLED IN PRICE, BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID, BUT IT WAS EIGHT, 10, $12 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE WERE DOING IN SEWER REHAB AND HAVING TO DO BONDS. RIGHT. I THINK EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR WE DID WATER AND SEWER BONDS TO HELP PAY FOR THAT. SURE. UM, TO ME IT'S NO DIFFERENT. I MEAN IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT. IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S REQUIRED. IT IS. THAT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE. BUT WE WERE UNDER COURT ORDER TO DO THAT. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. THIS, WE'VE GOT SOME CHOICE IN IT, BUT DO WE REALLY HAVE CHOICE? NO, NOT . NO. YEAH. AND SO YEAH, IT, I MEAN YOU ALWAYS HATE WHEN STUFF, BUT I MEAN, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IN MY BUSINESS, THIS DOESN'T SURPRISE ME AT ALL. I HAVE SOMETIMES BILLS ON THINGS THAT, ESPECIALLY BILLS THAT ARE COME DUE ANNUALLY AND THEY'VE GONE UP FIVE TIMES FROM WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS $2,000 LAST YEAR, IT'S $10,000 THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE LIKE WHOA. AND YOU CALL 'EM AND THEY'RE THE SAME WAY. THEY'RE, WELL EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN GOING UP ON US AND SO IT'S, IT'S, YEAH. EVEN OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS MATERIALS HAVE, HAVE GONE UP DRASTICALLY. SO HAS CHRIS LEFT ALREADY? HE HAS UNFORTUNATELY . HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF EVENT OR ANYTHING. UM, HE DID A, JUST A LITTLE, HE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THEY, HE SNUCK A LITTLE, COUPLE SMALL THINGS. I HE SNEAK AWAY, HUH? WITH NOTHING. YOU KNOW THE SERVICE CENTER CELEBRATED HIM, BUT HE DOESN'T LIKE THE LIMELIGHT. I KNOW, I KNOW. HE IS SO MODEST. BUT WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. YES, THANK YOU. YOU GOT THE RIGHT VEST ON. THAT'S RIGHT, CHRIS. THE TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I GOT TO GO TO MY EXERCISE. PHYSICAL THERAPY. I'LL HAVE TO GO CHANGE CLOTHES. JUST REALLY QUICK WHILE YOU'RE HERE, DO WE HAVE THE DATES FOR, I HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING TO SEND IN THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE 2040 AND THEY WANT TO KNOW DATES OF MEETINGS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? NO, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE, UH, SET UP HERE REALLY QUICKLY. UH, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHECK THEIR AVAILABILITY BEFORE WE PUT THE NAMES IN FRONT OF YOU FOR APPOINTMENT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. OKAY. AND SO THE, THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS ONCE THOSE ARE ESTABLISHED, CAN WE SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO THE [03:20:01] FOLKS WHO'VE APPLIED TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE DATES. 'CAUSE I, MATTER OF FACT THEY CALL 'EM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE, I KNOW SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TRAVEL A LOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE. YEAH, WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN FOR WHEN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS CLOSES. WE DO. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. 17TH. THIS LIKE THIS THURSDAY, NEXT FRIDAY. RIGHT. SO THINK YOU GOT IT RIGHT BACK THURSDAY THE 16TH, TWO DAYS OR SOMETHING. EIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST HAD TO GET THAT BEFORE YOU LEFT. SO WE WERE ALL THE SAME PAGE. CARRY ON TO YOUR, OKAY. IT WON'T TAKE US TOO LONG TO FINISH UP. GOOD JOB. THANK. OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE, WE DIDN'T TURN TO THE PAGE SEE OR ANYTHING. WATER SYSTEM, ANNUAL PIPE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. NO SURPRISES HERE ON PAGE 1 53 AND YOU'LL SEE FUNDING WE HAVE IN 29 AND CONTINUING YEARS. UH, ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION SERVICES ON THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD WATER LINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR . AND THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE THERE. SO THAT'S PRETTY CASH AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, WATER SYSTEM CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. UM, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON CURRENTLY AND INTO THE FUTURE. UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND GET TO 27 THOUGH. AND, UH, STARTING NEXT YEAR WE HAVE CONTINUED CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER LINE. UH OH, WELL I PUT IT THIS WATER LINE, 12 INCH WATER LINE BEING INSTALLED. UM, I GUESS I NEED TO BACK UP. FELONY RAGSDALE ROAD. OKAY, THERE WE GO. UH, SO WE'RE, WE HAVE CONTINUED FUNDING ON ONGOING ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION, RAGSDALE ROAD WATERLINE EXTENSION, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WHICH COINCIDES WITH THE WIDENING AND 12 INCH, UH, WATERLINE IS NOW BEING INSTALLED. SO IT'S A BIG, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE SIZE WATERLINE. THEY GOT GRADE THERE ON THE CORRIDOR. SO 2020 OR 2027, UH, PROVIDES FUNDING FOR THE CONTINUED CONSTRUCTION OF THAT WATERLINE PROJECT. AND THEN IN 28 WE, UH, FUNDS OUR PROGRAM TO BEGIN ENGINEERING AND LAND ACQUISITION OF THE ALAMO ROAD AREA. WATERLINE CONNECTOR. SEE IT? YEAH, THERE'S, OKAY, THAT'S GOT THE MAP. THE ALAMO ROAD WATERLINE, UH, CONNECTOR PROGRAM. THAT'S A PROJECT THAT PROPOSES TO INSTALL APPROXIMATELY 8,000 FEET OF 12 INCH WATER PIPE BETWEEN MALLORY PARK AREA AND THE PRIM FARM DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON MOORES LANE JUST WEST OF WILSON PIKE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT RED LINE, THAT RED DOTTED LINE THERE, UH, THAT CONNECTS TO PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED 12 INCH WATER LINES IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, WATER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN. AND IT'S INTENDED TO, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE CAPACITY TO THE SOUTHEAST SERVICE AREA, THE SPLIT LOG ROAD, UH, CORRIDOR. SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG PROJECT AND UH, AGAIN, THAT REALLY KIND OF FALLS INTO ITS 27, 28 AND 29, BUT MOSTLY IN 28 AND 29. ALL RIGHT. WATER SYSTEM PUMP STATION REHAB. UH, 27 WE HAD FUNDING INCLUDED. REALLY WE SHOWED FUNDING IN 27 AND 28 27. IT'S INCLUDED THE MODIFY THE, UH, DEPARTMENTS OF METRO WATER PUMPING STATION AND METERING CONNECTION POINT TO CONVERT THE FACILITY INTO A METERING CONNECTION POINT ONLY. UH, THAT FACILITY WAS ORIGINALLY INSTALLED AS A METER CONNECTION AND PUMPING STATION TO HELP WITH PRESSURE AND FLOW, UH, TO THE SYSTEMS NORTH PRESSURE ZONE. BUT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE OVERALL SYSTEM, UH, AS PART OF THE DEPARTMENT'S MASTER PLANNING HAS RENDERED THE PUMPING ASPECT OBSOLETE, SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE PUMPING ANYMORE. SO FUNDING IS INCLUDED FOR 27. REMOVE THE STATION PUMPING COMPONENTS, UH, BUT INSTALL PIPING AND CONNECTORS, UH, SUCH THAT THE, UH, SHOULD THE PUMPING BE NECESSARY IN THE VENT OF AN EMERGENCY PORTABLE PUMP COULD BE USED. SO IF WE EVER HAVE AN ISSUE, WE DON'T EXPECT TO, IT'S SET UP TO WHERE WE COULD DEAL WITH IT. THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE. AND OUT OF THAT, UH, FUNDING SOURCE WATER TANK IMPROVEMENTS, SHOWING FUNDING IN 27 INCLUDES WATER TANK INSPECTIONS AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CONTRACT OUT TO A QUALIFIED FIRM. UM, THE INSPECT THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE, UH, OF THOSE TANKS, THINGS CAN GET INSIDE. YOU DON'T WANT THAT EXTRA BIRDS BIRD ACTIVITY. UM, SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY THING THERE. LET'S SEE. YOU GOT ENGINEERING IN 26 AND INTO 27. WE HAVE ENGINEERING AND PLAN CONSTRUCTION TO REMOVE ONE OF THE, UH, DEPARTMENTS OUT OF SERVICE DRINKING WATER TANKS AND IT'S ASSOCIATED WATER PUMPING STATION. THAT'S THE RAIN TREE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, EARLIER. THAT'S THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY HAD WE COVERED IT IN THE AGENDA, THAT'S THE RAIN TREE NUMBER TWO TANKING STATION. SO THAT'S SHOWN IN HERE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR. UH, AND THEN, UH, FOR 27 ENGINEERING SERVICES NEEDED TO PREPARE THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS TO BID THE CONSTRUCTION OR RECEIVE THE CONSTRUCTION WORK. AND SO THAT CONSTRUCTION WORK WILL BE IN 27. SO JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT YOU APPROVED FOR THE DESIGN OR [03:25:01] APPROVED HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR DESIGN FOR YOUR UPCOMING MEETING. THAT'S IT. OKAY. SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH. YEAH, I THINK SO. JASON, IS THERE REASON THAT TANK HAS TO COME OUT OR JUST TO MAKE THE, TO PREVENT IT FROM DETERIORATING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. UH, I DON'T KNOW DREW THAT BEHIND THAT TANK ON, UH, A RAIN TREE THAT, THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT. THE REASON WE WOULD TAKE THAT WAY, JUST LEAVE IT AND REFUSE. IT'S JUST AT SOME POINT IT, IT BECOMES A MAINTENANCE CONCERNING ISSUE. UM, THAT SITE. UM, IT'S KIND OF SECLUDED IN THE WOODS. UH, WE'VE HAD, UM, KIDS, NO, REALLY. SO IT JUST, IT BECOMES A, A STATE CONCERN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK, IT'S QUITE AN AMBITIOUS PLAN AND IT'S A LOT TO GET DONE, BUT THANK FOR ALL THE WORK FOR YOU AND THE TEAM PUT IN. YEAH, GOOD JOB. PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS PLAN STRONG AS WE CAN SO WE KNOW WE HAVE CHALLENGES IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE, WE PRETTY UP IN THE, SO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.