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WE GET IN THERE, JUST A[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing March 19, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the March 23rd Agendas, the items below will be discussed: Follow-up discussion on e-bikes Preliminary discussion of 2040 Plan This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
A FEW QUICK KIND OF BUSINESS ITEMS. FIRST I WANT TO INTRODUCE CHRIS FRANKLIN.WHERE DO YOU END UP? THERE HE IS.
THERE'S CHRIS FRANKLIN, OUR NEW BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR.
HE, HE USED TO, HE USED TO WORK FOR US.
THEN HE WENT A LITTLE FAR, A LITTLE BIT SOUTH TO FRANKLIN.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM BACK AND THAT'S A BIG HELP FOR US.
UH, JUST A QUICK, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING A QUICK LIMB REMOVAL UPDATE BASED WHERE PROBABLY DALE WILL TELL ME IF, BUT WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO HALFWAY DONE WITH THE SECOND, UH, RUN.
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
WE'RE OVER, WE'RE ABOUT 306,000 CUBIC YARDS.
SO ABOUT THAT 6,200 LOADS IS, UH, THE LAST NUMBER WE SAW.
I BET IT WAS 3 25 ON THE YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA BE CLOSE ON THAT.
SO I TOLD 'EM THEY CANNOT STOP TILL I'M RIGHT.
AND THEN A COUPLE QUICK REMINDERS NEXT WEEK, A COUPLE THINGS, UH, ON YOUR SCHEDULE.
WEDNESDAY 1130 IS THE APPRECIATION LUNCH AT THE SERVICE CENTER AND THEN AT, UH, THURSDAY AT NINE IS THE 2040 PLAN KICKOFF.
WE DID TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK WITH YOUR THURSDAY SCHEDULE, YOUR REGULAR THURSDAY SCHEDULE, BUT WE, IT, IT DIDN'T QUITE WORK OUT THE WAY WE WANTED, BUT, UH, THURSDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK.
SO THAT'D BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
WE STILL HAVE THAT TOPIC JUST 'CAUSE WE'VE CARRIED IT IF WE GET THROUGH YOUR BIKES TODAY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, WE CAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THAT AND WE'LL TAKE NOTES AND, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THEM AS WELL.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT.
SO JASON, BACK FROM THE DEBRIS PICK UP.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SECOND RUN IS GOING QUITE A BIT FASTER THAN THE FIRST RUN AS EXPECTED.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD.
WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS LIKE THE STREETS COMPLETED AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SHOW GREEN UNTIL THEY, THEY'VE GONE ON BOTH SIDES AND FULL OF PRETTY MUCH THE FULL LENGTH OF THE STREET AND SO THEY COULD BE FURTHER ALONG.
BUT IT'S PUSHING UP TOWARDS 50% RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S THAT'S GREAT.
PLUS OR MINUS, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
ALONG THOSE LINES, I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT WAS ACTUALLY, IF IT WAS JUST A VERBAL CONVERSATION WE HAD OR IF IT WAS IN SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I THINK AT ONE POINT WE KIND OF SET THE EXPECTATION THAT THE SECOND VISIT MIGHT BE ABOUT A MONTH AFTER THE FIRST VISIT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A LOT SOONER THAN THAT.
YEAH, IT COULD BE SOONER THAN THAT.
I, UH, WE DID UPDATE SOCIAL MEDIA THAT SAID THE SECOND PASS WOULD ONLY TAKE POSSIBLY TWO WEEKS.
WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT ALONG THAT YEAH.
IF WE JUST MAKE SURE WE, UH, COMMUNICATE THAT ON JUST SO PEOPLE AREN'T LIKE TRYING TO TIME IT.
I'VE SEEN SOME ADDITIONAL DEBRIS OUT, SO I KNOW SOME HAVE SEEN IT
I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE CLEAR IN THE BACKYARD AND YEAH, PROBABLY.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M NOT SURE IT'S ALL STORM DEBRIS, BUT, UH, FROM MY DRIVING ALL AROUND THE CITY MANY TIME SINCE THE STORM, THE, UH, A LOT OF AREAS THAT WERE, UH, DONE THE FIRST WEEK OR TWO, THOSE AREAS WHEN I WOULD GO BACK THROUGH, I WOULD NOTICE MAYBE FOUR WEEKS AFTER WE STARTED, OR FIVE WEEKS AFTER WE STARTED, BUT BEFORE WE STARTED THE SECOND ROUND, THEY WERE ALREADY PUTTING BIG STUFF OUT.
SO I JUST ASSUMED THEY'RE, A LOT OF 'EM WERE PROBABLY HIRING COMMERCIAL TREE SERVICES AND THEY COULDN'T GET TO 'EM UNTIL X DATE.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD WHERE WE'RE DOING THE SECOND PASS.
'CAUSE ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE CAUGHT EARLY ON MM-HMM
THAT WAS REALLY THE SOLE PURPOSE.
WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO GET STARTED QUICKLY, BUT NOT EVERYONE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THEIR DEBRIS OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF, OF THAT.
REALLY OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD I THINK WAS DAY ONE.
WE WERE RIGHT BY CROCKETT PARK AND I HAD NOTHING OUT THERE FOR THE FIRST PASS.
SO I WAS REALLY GLAD MY NEIGHBORS REALLY WORKING HARD BECAUSE THEY, AFTER THE FIRST GO ROUND, THEY SEE BRANCHES THAT ARE IN DANGER COMING DOWN AND THEIR NORMAL TREE PERSON ISN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL AUGUST.
SO THEY FOUND SOMEBODY AND I SAID, WELL, OUR SECOND PASS IS COMING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T WANNA PAY FOR IT IF THEY CAN GET THE CITY TO DO THAT.
AND IT IS A RESULT OF THE STORM.
YOU KNOW, DOING THOSE BRANCHES.
IT'S THE HARDER PART OF IT PROBABLY THAT'S LEFT.
WELL THEY, ONCE WE HAVE FINISHED THE SECOND PASS, WILL WE GO BACK AND ANNOUNCE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE BACK ON OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
WE'LL SEE WHERE WE END ON THAT, BUT WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE.
YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
SO ACTUALLY WHAT I JUST, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN INTERNAL DECISIONS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MAKE SOMETHING, THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN THE TIMELINE IS ONE YOU CAN'T KEEP.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THAT IN SOLID, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR CREW, WE SHOULD BE WORKING NO MORE SATURDAYS AND WE'RE HOPING, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST COINCIDENTAL ON THE TIMING.
BUT OUR BRUSH NORMALLY STARTS THE FIRST MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
THEN WEEK TWO AS WE GO CHRONOLOGICALLY.
SO APRIL SHOULD BE THE MAGIC NUMBER.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE NOW WE DO RECOGNIZE THERE'LL BE SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS AND SO DOES AFTERMATH THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SET A COUPLE OF TRUCKS OFFSIDE INTO APRIL ALONG WITH THEM.
AND ALSO TOO, WE HAVE THE, THE BUCKET TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN DANGEROUS LIMBS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT DEBRIS IS PICKED UP AS WELL.
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SO OUR PLAN FOR NOW THAT'S NOT MADE IN ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE APRIL 6TH IS THE FIRST MONDAY OF THAT WOULD BE NORMAL BRUSH PICKUP.SO THOSE WILL BE WHEN THE PARAMETERS GO BACK IN.
AND THEN, SO I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO CHARLES.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING THIS TODAY TO FINISH UP ON SOME OF THE DEBRIS MANAGEMENT SITES AND THAT WILL HELP ME MAKE A LITTLE BETTER COME DOWN TO THE WIRE.
SO, UM, APRIL 6TH SHOULD BE OUR NORMAL BACK TO NORMAL PARAMETERS AND NORMAL SCHEDULES FOR BRUSH PICKUP PLUS A COUPLE OF TRUCKS FOR PUNCH, PUNCH LIST ITEMS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE'LL NEED TO REMIND EVERYONE THEN GO BACK TO THE SIZE OF THE LAMBS AND ALL OF THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE NORMAL BRUSH PICKUP ISN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO PICK UP THE BIG STUFF AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
ANN, JUST TO, TO ANN TO TOUCH ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S GONNA TRIM SOME LIMBS, UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN BELOW SIX INCHES, WHICH MOST HANGING LIMBS ARE MM-HMM
THOSE CAN STILL BE PROCESSED DURING NORMAL.
SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF SIX INCHES.
UM, IF IT'S NORMAL BROKEN LIMBS, NO.
IF THEY'RE LIMBS THE SIZE OF ME AND SOME OF 'EM ARE OUT THERE, THOSE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH ON THEIR OWN.
THE DEVASTATION IS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO PICK UP AND ALL, BUT IT'S A BOON TO PEOPLE WHOSE BUSINESS IS CUTTING TREES AND FIXING LAWN AND LIKE THESE AFTERMATH FOLKS DO THEY SELL THAT MUCH? WELL, A AFTERMATH PICKS IT UP, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER COMPANY, THE, UH, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY THAT AT THE, WHEN AFTERMATH DUMP SET AT ONE OF OUR FOUR SITES.
BUT I MEANT ONE OF THESE GROUPS THAT WE'VE, THEY TAKE A PRETTY COE UH, UM, UH, WHAT YOU CALL MULCH, THEY'LL TAKE IT TO NASHVILLE TO THEIR PLACE, THEY'LL REFINE IT, SELL IT, USE IT IN PLACES SO IT'LL GET REUSED THERE.
UM, I I'D LOVE TO SEE A COMPARISON OF THE CALLS THAT SOME PEOPLE SUFFERED VERSUS THE PROFIT THAT SOME PEOPLE MAKE.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE IN THESE SITUATIONS.
THESE THINGS ARE GOOD FOR, FOR IF YOU'RE IN THOSE BUSINESSES BECAUSE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET BUSINESS ONGOING.
UH, BUT BOY, WHEN THIS HAPPENS, YOU ARE GONNA GET A LOT OF BUSINESS.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH ON ONE THING.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHY DON'T THEY GIVE THAT MULCH BACK TO US.
SO WE NEED TO CALL THE WORD GRIND TRADED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY ROUGH GRINDS.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, SIX, EIGHT INCHES LONG.
SO THE MAIN THING TOO, ANN, TO YOUR QUESTION AS WELL IS BECAUSE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IS SET UP FOR THAT BUSINESS TO REPURPOSE IT, IT ALSO IS SAVING US AROUND $10 A CUBIC YARD FOR NON DISPOSAL.
SO IF IT WAS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT WOULD COST US, I'M GONNA GUESS ANOTHER 1.5 MILLION FOR THE DISPOSAL.
SO LUCKILY HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S TAKING IT, BUT IT'S ALSO SAVING US.
AND ALSO TOO, WHEN WE, IF YOU GET THOSE, WHY DON'T WE GET SOME OF THAT MULCH? IT'S NOT BEEN TREATED, IT'S NOT BEEN SEPARATED.
LIKE DAVE AND I TALKED, IT COULD BE FULL OF POISON IVY.
UH, THE TERMITES WOULD STILL LOVE THESE GRINDS THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS LITERALLY SMALL ROUGH GRINDS.
SO, UM, JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ASK TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PROCESSED HERE.
IT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM ALTERNATIVE ENERGY TO PROCESS AND WE'RE TRUCKING IT OUT OF THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT TRUCKING ANY OF IT BACK TO THE CITY.
UM, SOMETHING I WANTED TO ASK, I DUNNO IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU JASON OR FOR DALE, BUT DO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT OR BE ANTICIPATING, UH, REPAIRS AND OR ANYTHING TO THE SITES WHERE WE'VE BEEN DOING THE PROCESSING? LIKE IN THE PARKS WHERE WE'RE DOING THE PARKING LOTS? DO WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT RESEALING AND RETRIP THOSE LOTS? YEAH, WE, WE WILL WE'LL KNOW MORE.
I MEAN THEY GET COVERED UP WITH, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPS PROTECT 'EM AND GET COVERED UP WITH THE WOOD MATERIAL.
BUT WE ALREADY ANTICIPATED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW, DALE, IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
SO WE'RE, THE MULCH IS STACKED.
WE DON'T SUSPECT ANY ISSUES WHEN THEY FIRST GET TO A SITE AND THEY UNLOAD IT'S STEEL TRACK.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO IGNORE THAT.
SO WE TRY TO MAKE THEM GET AS CLOSE TO THE, WHERE THEY WOULD STAGE.
THE MINUTE THEY TRY, THEY MULCHED, OR SORRY I USE THE WORD THEY GROUND
UM, WE MADE THEM PUT A BED DOWN TO KEEP THE STEEL TRACK EQUIPMENT ON, LIKE PUTTING CARPET ON YOUR FLOOR.
UM, NOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW DURING CONSTRUCTION THEY MAY HAVE GOT OFF OF IT.
SO UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, PULL BACK THE CARPET LITERALLY AND SEE WHAT'S THERE, WE WON'T KNOW.
DAVE'S OTHER CONCERN, AND IT'S NOT WRONG, IS THE PARKING LOT IS LIGHTWEIGHT.
UM, SO WHEN 25 TON OF GRINDS GO INTO A SEMI THAT'S 50,000 POUNDS PLUS THE SEMI, IT COULD BE AN 80,000 POUND
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LOAD COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT OR COMING OUT OF THAT PARK EVERY LOAD OF GRINDS.UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT THE ANSWER IS, AND I DID DOUBLE CHECK AGAIN YESTERDAY AND JAY KNOWS THIS, HE'S BEEN ON MEETINGS AS WELL, THAT ANY REPAIRS FROM A DMS SITE IS ALSO PART OF THE REIMBURSABLE FEMA THING.
SO WE WILL ANALYZE IT AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE AND SEE NOW SUNSET FIRE STATION FOUR IS NOT NEW TO THIS.
THEY HAVE, WE'VE USED THEM FOR SEPARATE GRINDS AND OTHER STORMS THAT WEREN'T FEMA MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT HAS HELD UP, BUT, UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO JUST CHECK AND SEE SINCE GRANNY IS, YOU KNOW, UH, A LIGHTWEIGHT, LITERALLY A LIGHTWEIGHT PARKING LOT.
SO WE'LL CHECK IT OUT ONCE WE'RE DONE.
I VISITED THE ONE AT CROCKETT SEVERAL TIMES JUST 'CAUSE I'LL WALK THROUGH THERE AND I'LL GO AND VISIT THAT BECAUSE OF THAT BACK ACCESS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT'S AFFECTED ANY OF THE CORRECT ROAD OR TRAIL STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING.
IT JUST, IT'S SO THAT AREA, THAT GRAVEL ROAD AND JUST THE GRASS LOT, IF THE GRASS IS GONNA BE ROUGH AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SMOOTH IT OUT WITH A BUCKETS, BUT, AND THEN OUR GUYS CAN EVEN THROW A LITTLE SEED AND STRAW JUST TO BRING IT BACK TO NATURAL.
BUT IT SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A LOT.
IT DIDN'T LOOK, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE GRAVEL.
MAYBE, MAYBE REVISIT THAT RE RECOVER THAT GRAVEL ROAD WHERE WE PROBABLY RUN IT IN DURING THE RAINY SEASON.
SO WE'LL RESTORE EVERYTHING AND WE DO ANTICIPATE AT LEAST SOME MINOR REPAIR.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE DEGREE UNTIL WE GET THE, ALL THE CHIPPING CLIPPINGS OFF AND ALL THAT.
BUT WE ANTICIPATED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THERE COULD BE SOME MINOR DAMAGE AT LEAST.
BUT ONE OF OUR BETTER IDEAS
THIS WAS BEFORE THE BURN THING EVEN.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE HUGE TRUCKS AT SMITH PARK.
WE'RE BRINGING IT ALL THERE AND IT WOULD BE GRINDING EVERY DAY.
AND WE SOMEHOW THOUGHT THAT NO ONE WOULD OBJECT.
THIS ROOM WAS FULL OF RESIDENTS AND THAT IDEA WAS TAKEN OFF THE BOOKS.
O CALL DID WHAT GOOD CITIZENS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
ALRIGHT, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? BUT IT'S GOING WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING WELL.
WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE NEW BUSINESS.
IT'S A REQUEST, UH, FOR AN ON-PREMISES BEER PERMIT, UH, FOR, UH,
IT'S A CHANGE IN EXISTING, UH, OWNERSHIP OF THE EXISTING BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE APPLICATION YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN THE, HOW THE ACTIVITY'S CONDUCTED.
JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME BUSINESS NAME.
SOME REMEMBER AN EMPLOYEE WAS GONNA BUY IT IN DECEMBER AND TAKE IT OVER RIGHT WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT FELL THROUGH COULD HAVE.
THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER BECAUSE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THE SAME APPLICATION.
SO, ALRIGHT, GO INTO A REGULAR AGENDA.
SO WE HAVE, UH, ARBOR DAY PROCLAMATION ON THE REGULAR AGENDA AND THEN, UH, GOING TO OUR RESOLUTION ITSELF UPDATED, SO YOU ALL WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AMENDING IT ON THE FLOOR.
WE HAVE CHANGED IT TO TWO SINCE THE OTHER CHANGE ORDERS HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE, THE 360 6 COMING UP.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS? BECAUSE ONE IS A CHANGE ORDER AND ONE IS A CONTINGENCY FUND.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE THAT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
THE SCIENCE BEHIND ALL THIS REALLY WORRIES ME THAT WE ARE BUILDING A ROAD OUT THERE ON BAD SOIL.
I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA FIND MORE OF THIS? AND I MEAN, I I LOOK AT ROADS THAT SORT OF COLLAPSE UNDER PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, IS THIS, IS WATER GONNA AFFECT THIS OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE THE WEIGHT OF CARS? DO WE KNOW? YEAH, WE SHOULDN'T IF IF IT ALL GOES WELL.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST FOLLOWED THE PROCEDURES, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES.
AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THE GEOTECHNICAL REVIEW EARLY ON AFFECTED HOW THE, HOW IT'S DESIGNED.
SO IT WOULD'VE CAUGHT SOILS ALREADY THAT WERE BAD AND ADDRESSED THEM IN DESIGN.
THESE SOILS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEREN'T CAUGHT IN A GEOTECHNICAL REVIEW.
IF ALL GOES WELL, WELL ALL HASN'T GONE WELL SO FAR.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WE STILL CATCH THEM IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND THEY DO CREATE A CHANGE ORDER IF THEY WERE MISSED BY THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT.
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CAN ADDRESS 'EM DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD.SO WHEN THE ROAD'S TOTALLY CONSTRUCTED, WHETHER THEY'RE ADDRESSED IN EARLY DESIGN OR DURING CONSTRUCTION, THEY ARE ADDRESSED.
SO WE ARE CONFIDENT THE ROAD BASE WOULD BE GOOD.
IS THIS SORT OF LIKE AT WINDY HILL PARK WHERE WE COULDN'T BUILD THE PUT DOWN THE CONCRETE BECAUSE HOW, AND THIS MAY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING, BUT OKAY, YOU GO ALONG AND YOU'VE GOT GOOD SOIL, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT THIS STRANGE SOIL.
WHAT CAUSES THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT TYPICAL
IT IS HIT AND MISS, WHICH IS WHY IN THIS CASE THE GEOTECHNICAL SAMPLE SITES DIDN'T CATCH AT ALL.
BUT WE STILL CATCH IT IN THE PROCESS.
NOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THERE'S ALWAYS A 100% CHANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE OLDER ROADS THAT ARE GONNA, THAT HAVE SOME INDICATION OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THE UNDERNEATH GEOLOGY CAN AFFECT THAT TOO.
YOU COULD DO THE ROAD JUST RIGHT, BUT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE THERE'S ROCK AND THERE'S WATER MOVEMENT, SOME OTHER THINGS, IT CAN STILL EAT AWAY AT THE UNDERNEATH.
SO YOU DO RUN INTO THAT FROM TIME TO TIME AND SPRING.
WELL, HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS ROAD DO WE HAVE TO GO? NOT A LOT.
WE'RE ON THE LAST, UH, PART PORTION OF IT OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO, WE JUST HAVE TO SWALLOW THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND IT.
YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY, IF THE CONTRACTOR RUNS INTO ANY MORE OF THIS SOIL, IT'LL, THAT'S WHY THE CONTINGENCIES REQUESTED TO BE INCREASED.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE 'EM ADDRESS IT.
'CAUSE YOU DEFINITELY WANT THAT ADDRESSED SO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ROAD.
AND I DON'T WANT THE CONTRACTOR BEING HESITANT TO COME AND SAY, I'VE FOUND SOME MORE BAD SOIL.
THEY'RE NOT AND THEY'RE A GOOD CONTRACTOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ROAD AS WELL.
BUT TO, TO HELP YOU MAYBE FEEL BETTER OR TO ENVISION IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE GEOTECHNICAL WHERE THEY, THEY THINK THEY, THEY ESTIMATE WHAT THEY THINK'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WHEN JASON TOLD WITH THE, THE PROOF ROLL THAT IS LITERALLY LIKE, UH, WE DID THE PROOF ROLLS UP AT THE MODULAR OF THE DEALERSHIP.
THEY TAKE A SIX AXLE TRUCK WHEN THE BIG PUBLIC WORKS TRUCKS USUALLY LOADED AND THEN RUN IT OVER TO TEST THE ROAD BED BEFORE THEY PAVE IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE PROOF ROLL THAT'S ACTUALLY TESTING THE SOIL.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SAYING IT FAILED.
WE'RE TALKING THAT DAY AFTER DAY.
AND I'M NOT PREDICTING, I'M JUST SAYING IT REALLY WORRIES ME WHEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD ROADS OVER BAD SOIL.
I MEAN, I LOOK AT HOT WELL SINKHOLE, I LOOK AT THOSE ROADS IN THE MOUNTAINS OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT KEEP DISAPPEARING.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERY PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE IN TENNESSEE REQUIRED SOME CUT AND FILL AFTER THE PROOF ROLL, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, MATE.
WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK INITIALLY PASSING THE BUCK.
INITIALLY HAD A CONTINGENCY OF 500,000.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONVERSATION.
I'M, I'M, YEAH, I WANNA OH, YOU'RE TALKING TO HIM.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT
THE, UH, THIS CHANGE ORDER PUTS US TO 630,000.
SO WE KNOW WE WERE SPENDING 630,000 IN THE CHANGE ORDER THAT PUTS US OVER THAT 500,000.
THAT'S EXACTLY, WE ANTICIPATE FROM JUST EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND WHATEVER, THAT WE'VE AT LEAST PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER $300,000 POSSIBLE THAT MAY NOT RIGHT.
AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE 500,000 CONTINGENCY, BUT WE'VE PASSED IT, SO WE NEED TO INCREASE IT.
BUT BY DOING THE FIVE 50, WE WILL COVER THE 916,000 OR 930,000 OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND THEN IT'LL GIVE US 120,000 BUFFER IN CASE THEY FIND A SMALLER SECTION OR WHATEVER.
AND THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE CHANGE ORDER AND THE CONTINGENCY, MY FEELING IS SO WE DON'T SLOW 'EM DOWN.
SO THAT, SO THEY'RE NOT WAITING ON US TO, TO GIVE FUNDS.
JUST GO BACK TO THE SOIL FOR A MINUTE.
ON ONE SENSE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND WE SAID WE HAD BAD SOIL THAT WHEN YOU SAY BAD SOIL, IT'S LIKE, OH, WE REALLY JUST HAVE POOR SOIL FOR THE ROAD BED.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAID IT CAN STILL BE USED AS TOP SOIL AND OTHER THING, THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT THAT SOIL.
IT'S JUST A POOR CHOICE FOR THE ROAD BED AND THE WEIGHT.
FAMILY FARMED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 200 YEARS AND THE OLD JOKE WAS, THE ONLY THING THAT RAISES AROUND HERE IS COWS AND LIMESTONE.
SO, DEREK, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? DON'T THANK YOU.
OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT,
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UH, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, UH, INCLUDING, UH, NUCLEAR GAUGE TESTING, UH, COMPACTION TEST AND THE PROOF ROLL TEST WITH A WEIGHTED, UH, 20 TON, SIX AXLE TRUCK.JUST LIKE, UH, THE MAYOR MENTIONED TO ENSURE THAT THE ROAD IS ON SUITABLE, STABLE, STRUCTURALLY CAPABLE SOIL.
YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY, ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF WE APPROVE THAT, THE AMOUNT THAT AS A, DO THEY STILL NEED TO COME THOUGH FOR CHANGE ORDERS? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THIS ARE FOUND.
THE CONTRACT S THE QUESTION, I'M SORRY.
IS THE CONTRACT STRUCTURED THAT IF, IF THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, INCREASES THE, UH, CONTINGENCY AMOUNT, IF THERE'S ANOTHER FUTURE CHANGE ORDER, DOES THAT CHANGE ORDER GO THROUGH HERE? OR DOES THAT PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE IT? IT PROVIDES A POINT.
THAT GIVES THEM, THAT'S THE POINT FOR EFFICIENCY ENGINEERING TO GO, YES.
WE SEE YOU GOT THE SEVEN, $5,000 PROBLEM, WE NEED TO GOING AND GET THAT FIXED.
ONE THING TO ADD, I I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT, UH, THE CONTRACTOR COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE NEED MORE MONEY.
AND WE SAY, YAY, HERE'S MORE MONEY.
I CAN TELL YOU WE, UH, I I WOULDN'T USE THE TERM BATTLED, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD SAY HE HAD, UH, VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST TO REDUCE, ELIMINATE OR, UH, THESE CHANGE ORDERS.
AND ONLY WHEN THEY'RE WARRANT WARRANTED JUSTIFIED AND HAVE GOOD DOCUMENTATION, DO WE APPROVE IT.
SO YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THEN, JANET, WE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY, BUT WE HOPE NOT TO COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT, I I WASN'T IT'S YOUR A DEPARTMENT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE, WE KIND OF ANTICIPATED THAT WOULD TAKE SOME CONVERSATION.
UM, CONSENT ITEM SIX, UH, IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXCHANGE OF EQUIPMENT WITH SPRING HILL FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, IN HERE IT SAYS SCBA SELF-CONTAINING BREATHING APP APPARATUS, THE BREATHING.
THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, WAYS TO COMMUNICATE.
SO HERE WE'RE CAUGHT TALKING ABOUT VOICE AMPLIFIERS.
UH, THE NEWER VERSIONS CONNECT VIA BLUETOOTH, UH, TO THE RADIOS.
SO WE'RE GONNA SWAP WHERE WE GET 42 OF THEIR DEVICES, WE GIVE THEM 12 AND A MAKE, AND THAT'S A VALUE OF ABOUT $4,620.
AND WE'LL HELP TRAIN AND CERTIFY THEM ON THE OLD ONES.
SO IT JUST BOTH, UH, DEPARTMENTS GETTING, UH, WHAT THEY REALLY PREFER TO HAVE.
WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT OURS IS, BUT WE, WE CAN GIVE THEM THE OLD ONES THAT WE DON'T WANT AND, UH, GET A LOT MORE OF THE NEW ONES AND TRAIN 'EM AND WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY.
UH, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED.
THE FIRST IS AN AUTHOR, A, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TERMINATION OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD.
IT'S BEEN PLACED SINCE 19, OR I'M SORRY, IT'S BEEN PLACED SINCE 94.
UM, IT'S BEEN ON A MONTH TO MONTH, UH, AFTER THE FIRST FIVE YEAR TERM, SO SINCE 1999.
UM, AND SO WE'VE HAD CUSHMAN, UH, WAKEFIELD SERVICES FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
THESE ARE MAINTENANCE TYPE SERVICES FOR FACILITIES.
WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN PERFORMANCE CONCERNS THAT HAVE GONE UNRESOLVED, UH, PAPERWORK AND OTHER, UH, UH, LOGISTICAL ASPECTS THAT, THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB OF.
UM, AND, UH, A LOT OF THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BACK WHEN WE LEASED A GOOD PART OF THIS BUILDING.
WE JUST HAVE LIAM AND COUNTY HERE FOR THE AMBULANCE RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UH, WE REALLY MOSTLY DO REALLY PRIMARILY DUE TO THE PERFORMANCE CONCERNS FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND END THIS, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH I'LL GET TO, BUT IT'S THE COMPLIMENTARY IS, IS THERE'S A HUNDRED, ABOUT A HUNDRED.
THERE'S $170,000 A YEAR IN THIS CONTRACT AND BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, UH, REALLY CAN GET MORE BANG FOR A BUCK HIRING TWO INDIVIDUALS, UH, TO, TO WORK, UH, DIRECTLY WITH BRENT.
AND, UH, HE WOULD GUIDE THEIR WORK AS HE, AS HE GUIDES THE WHOLE BRENT
AND WE CAN ACTUALLY, FOR THAT SAME PRICE, WE CAN HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
AND THERE'S, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT A $15,000 IN ADDITIONAL COST.
BUT FOR THAT, THAT WILL HELP US ASSUMING, RIGHT, THE ASSUMPTION IS WE CAN FIND THE RIGHT TALENT IN THE MARKETPLACE.
I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS AN ASSUMPTION WHEN YOU HIRE FOR, FOR PEOPLE.
UH, BUT ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN FIND THAT IT'LL HELP US TO ACTUALLY GET MORE WORK DONE, BE MORE RESPONSIVE, AND, UH, IT'LL ACTUALLY, UH, UH, IMPACT HIS SCHEDULE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HE, HE'LL STILL HAVE OVERTIME, BUT HE IS, HAS OVERTIME ON REALLY EVERY CALL OUT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP BALANCE THAT OUT IN TIME.
SO WE THINK THAT'LL HELP, UH, STABILIZE THE, THE SCHEDULE AS, UH, AS WELL.
AND SO IF WE, AND IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TROUBLE, UH, FINDING TALENT, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT WE KNOW WE MAY HAVE, WE, DOESN'T MEAN WE GO BACK TO CUSHMAN, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO DO MORE PERFORMANCE, UH, CONTRACTING FOR THIS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE BELIEVE THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION.
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THIS OPTION.SO THAT REALLY COVERS THIS ITEM.
AND THE NEXT ITEM, JASON, ONE ITEM.
IT'S APRIL 30TH IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION.
SO THERE'S A ONE DAY DIFFERENCE THERE.
IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LIKE, SUPPORT FOR BRENT OR DOES HE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S GONNA BE TWO TECHNICIANS UNDER HIM IN TERMS OF PROCESSING WHEN THE REQUESTS COME IN FOR A CERTAIN JOB OR LIKE THE RENOVATIONS WE'RE DOING AT THE LIBRARY THAT HE'S HANDLING MM-HMM
DOES HE HAVE A LIKE OFFICE PERSON OR IS THERE A NEED FOR HIM TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OFFICE SUPPORT? SO HE, HE DOES HAVE SUPPORT AT THE SERVICE CENTER.
UM, THESE POSITIONS TECHNICALLY WOULD BE UNDER THAT, THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO ADMIN ASSISTANTS WHO ALSO SERVE WATER SERVICES AND PARKS.
AND THE TWO POSITIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE FORMALITY IS ONE'S A SENIOR MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN AND OUR PAY GROUP B SERVICE CENTER PAY GROUP B, THE OTHER ONE IS JUST A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN AND PAY GROUP A.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO FIND SOMEONE MORE EXPERIENCED, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE SENIOR LEVEL.
IF WE DON'T, WE, WE STILL HAVE OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN LOOK AT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENTION IS.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT EXACTLY.
HOW ARE THEIR DUTIES DIFFERENT FROM THE, UM, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE? IT PROBABLY WON'T BE A LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S STILL ABOUT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
BUT I THINK IT, I THINK, UH, I'LL LET JAY JAY'S CLOSER TO THIS.
BUT, UH, ONE WE'LL HAVE ACTUALLY WITH TWO VERSUS IN ESSENCE ONE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE OF THOSE DUTIES DONE.
IT'S EASY TO GET BEHIND ON A LOT OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE JUST KIND OF EAT YOU UP WITH TIME.
AND SO WE THINK WE CAN GET MORE WORK DONE.
WE THINK WE CAN BE MORE RESPONSIVE, GET BETTER QUALITY WORK DONE AS WELL.
BUT THEY'LL STILL BE, HE'LL BE PREPARING THE BUDGET AND THAT, THAT'D BE, BRENT WILL BE ONE OF THESE TWO PEOPLE OR WILL BE SOMEBODY HERE MYSELF.
I, I WILL WORK WITH BRENT AS FAR AS WHEN YOU SAY PREPARING THE BUDGET FOR FOR WHAT? SPECIFICALLY? FOR THE FACILITIES? I ALREADY DO THAT.
AND THAT THESE TWO WILL HIRE THE ACTUAL CLEANING CREWS? NO.
UH, BETWEEN MYSELF AND BRENT BECAUSE OUR CLEANING CREW HAS BEEN LESS THAN SATISFACTORY, I THINK.
I MEAN WHEN LIGHT BULBS GO UNCHANGED AND I CAN WALK INTO THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND DO THAT ON THAT RAILING OUT THERE AND THERE'S DUST THAT IS NOT GOOD.
SO THINGS LIKE LIGHT BULBS AND OTHER PHYSICAL ELEMENTS TO THE BUILDING OTHER THAN CLEANING, THAT'S THESE GUYS.
UH, JANITORIAL SERVICES, UM, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THIS COMPANY, MORE SO THAN WE HAVE WITH OTHERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
UH, I DO KNOW HERE AT THE MUNICIPAL CENTER, WE'VE HAD A, A FEW STRUGGLES OVER AT THE SERVICE CENTER.
SAME COMPANY, BUT A DIFFERENT CREW.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY'LL WORK OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE COOL SPRINGS AREA AND THEN ANOTHER CREW WILL WORK.
AND SO YOU HIRE THEM THE JANITORIAL? YES.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S JOB? IT IS.
FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S JUST KIND OF COME TO ME.
IT'S JUST AS POSITIONS EVOLVE OVER THE YEARS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LANDED WITH ME.
UH, CARSON SWINFORD HANDLED IT STRANGELY BACK WHEN HE WAS HERE.
AND SO WHEN I SAW THAT, I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT AS A GOOD USE OF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR'S TIME HANDLING, STOP VOLUNTEERING.
I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, DON'T
AND SO GRADUALLY AS CARSON, YOU KNOW, AS IS HEALTH WA WAGE, I TOOK MORE RESPONSIBILITIES FROM HIM, WHETHER IT WAS BUDGET.
SEE, THAT'S WHAT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONFUSING BECAUSE WE HAD BRENT WHO DID STUFF AND WE HAD PEOPLE HERE WHO HAD, I KEPT THINKING, WELL WHAT DOES THIS FACILITIES MANAGER DO IN, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS TIME? SO, SO BRENT, A LOT BRENT REWARDS THE MEETINGS.
REALLY WHAT? HE'S BASICALLY, THESE ARE JUST TWO LABORERS THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE HELPING TO GET PHYSICAL THINGS ON THE BUILDING.
BUT AS FAR AS THE GENERAL UPKEEP, MANAGING THE LANDSCAPE, CONTRACT, JANITORIAL, CONTRACT, HVAC, PLUMBING, THOSE THINGS, THAT'S ALL BETWEEN MYSELF AND BRENT.
BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, IT SOUNDED LIKE BRENT WAS BEING REPLACED.
BRENT CAME OVER FROM CARS OR FROM WAKEFIELD.
UH, AND SO THEY WILL GIVE HIM, UH, PEOPLE THAT HE CAN DIRECT AND TRAIN AND SO FORTH.
I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS NOW.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH NEEDED HELP FOR HIM BECAUSE PRINT RUNS HIMSELF RAGGED, WE'VE, WE JUST THROWN SO MUCH AT HIM AND HE DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB.
BUT HE NEEDS HELP WITH CHANGING, UH, HPAC FILTERS AND LIGHT BULBS AND,
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YOU KNOW, THE SANITIZER AND THE DISPENSER.SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO DO A DUST TEST EVER A LITTLE MORE OFTEN.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I THINK FOR THE, THOSE, UH, OKAY.
FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION ON E-BIKES.
IT'S BEEN A LONG A WHILE SINCE WE'VE TALKED TO 'EM, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION FAIRLY QUICKLY.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO ANY OF THE MEATIER PARTS, UH, LET ME KNOW.
BUT I, I FIGURE IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO LET'S A GOOD REMINDER.
SO AGAIN, WE TRACKED, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY UPDATED DATA, BUT WE DID TRACK BETWEEN AUGUST 24, SEPTEMBER 25, UH, POLICE DATA ON E-BIKE RELATED CRASHES.
UH, JUVENILES, SEVEN TO 15 YEARS OLD, TYPES OF INJURIES.
YOU SEE ABRASIONS, LACERATIONS, YOU CAN SEE HEAD INJURIES, BROKEN WRISTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, ONE BICYCLE CRASH THAT DID NOT INVOLVE AN E-BIKE OR SCOOTER ADULT DURING SAME TIME PERIOD.
IS IS THIS JUST RELATED TO THE PERSON ON THE BIKE AND NOT IF THEY HIT ANYBODY OR WHATEVER? RIGHT.
THIS IS JUST THE, THE BIKE RIDER.
SO TENNESSEE BICYCLE AND E-BIKE LAWS.
WE DID THERE A COUPLE MINOR UPDATES HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A LAW THAT JUST WAS APPROVED.
UH, BUT, UH, VEHICLES, A CYCLISTS HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AND MUST FOLLOW THE SAME TRAFFIC LAWS AS CARS.
THEY DON'T ALWAYS, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
BUT E-BIKES THEN ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS REGULAR BIKES.
RIDERS MUST RIDE ON THE RIGHT WITH TRAFFIC, OBEY TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND, AND SIGNS USE HAND SIGNALS WHEN TURNING, HAVE A FRONT WHITE LIGHT AND A REAR RED REFLECTOR LIGHT VISIBLE FROM 500 FEET.
SO THOSE ARE JUST TYPICAL THINGS.
HELMET RULES UNDER 16 HELMETS REQUIRED ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS UNDER 12.
PARENTS MUST ENSURE HELMETS USE PLUS CHILD SEAT RETRAIN IF UNDER 40 POUNDS OR 40 INCHES TALL.
SO GOING BACK TO THE E-BIKE CLASSES, THERE'S THREE MAIN CLASSES OF WHAT WERE CONSIDERED TO BE LEGALLY E-BIKES.
ANYTHING BEYOND THESE THREE ARE CONSIDERED TO BE VEHICLES NOT LAWFULLY AUTHORIZED.
SO THEY COULD BE ELECTRIC, BUT THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED.
SO THE CLASS ONE, UH, MAXIMUM SPEED OF 20 MILES AN HOUR, IT'S PEDAL ASSIST ONLY CLASS TWO 20 MILES AN HOUR THROTTLE AND OR, AND OR PEDAL ASSIST.
YOU HAVE BOTH, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PEDAL.
YOU CAN HAVE A THROTTLE OR, OR CLASS THREE, WHICH IS JUST LIKE CLASS ONE, BUT IT'S UP TO 28 MILES PER HOUR.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TWO OR THREE WHEELS, UH, MOTOR UNDER 750 WATTS.
SO WE'RE NOT, OUR, OUR FOCUS HERE IS BASICALLY MOTOR UNDER SEVEN 50 WATTS, 20 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS.
ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS CONSIDERED ILLEGAL.
CAN YOU LOOK AT 'EM AND TELL THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, I DON'T, IT'S A PROBLEM.
AND DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL THAT YOU WANNA REGULATE, MAY TAKE US INTO THE QUESTION OF HOW COULD WE DO THAT? OKAY.
SO JASON, YOU SAID THEY'RE ILLEGAL.
I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES IF IT PROPERLY LICENSE AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO AFTER CLASS THREE, IS IT UNCLASSIFIED OR IS IT CLASSIFIED AS AN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE OR IS THERE A CATEGORY FOR THAT? IT'S A DEPENDS, AND, AND CHIEF MAY BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN.
BUT SOME OF THEM ARE DIRT BIKES, SOME OF THEM ARE MOTORBIKES.
WHEN I SAY ILLEGAL, I MEAN IF IT'S NOT PROPERLY LICENSED LIKE A ANY VEHICLE TO BE ON THE STREET, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL IF IT'S DRIVEN ON THE STREET, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
AND THOSE FOR WHICH AGAIN, CHIEF, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO YOU, YOU FINE.
BUT THOSE WHO WOULD LIKELY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY MOVE OVER INTO THE ONES FOR WHICH SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MOTORCYCLE LICENSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OF COURSE THERE ARE OFF-ROAD BIKES, WHICH ARE, UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT.
SO, AND SO IT, IT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETY HERE.
SO, SO THERE'S LOT OF VARIETY PAST PAST THREE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET LEGAL AND NOT STREET LEGAL, BIG CATEGORIES.
AND IF, IF IT IS STREET LEGAL, THEN IT'S GOT A PRETTY WELL-REGULATED KIND OF THING, LIKE A MOTORCYCLE.
BUT I GUESS THAT NOT STREET LEGAL THAT'S ON THE STREET ANYWAY IS WHERE IT GETS KIND OF MUDDY.
SO CLASS THREE IS LEGAL FINE TO BE ON THE STREET.
ONCE YOU GO BEYOND A CLASS THREE, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT CATEGORIZED IN ONE, TWO, OR THREE, YOU START GETTING INTO OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, MOTORCYCLES, UH, WHICH HAVE ALL THE SAME REGULATIONS ON THE ROADWAY AS ANY OTHER VEHICLE.
SO TURN SIGNALS, BRAKE LIGHTS, HEADLIGHTS, UH, LICENSE PLATE, LICENSE PLATES, DRIVER'S LICENSE INSURANCE, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WHEN WE DRIVE A VEHICLE ON THE ROAD.
UH, BUT THERE ARE CATEGORIES OF OFF-ROAD VEHICLES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY MEANT FOR OFF THE ROAD THAT DO GET TURNED INTO A VEHICLE THAT IS ROADWORTHY BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME LEGAL.
'CAUSE THEY'VE ADDED THE TURN SIGNALS OR THEY'VE ADDED THE HEADLIGHTS.
SO THIS, THIS DOES GET VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT DIRT BIKES ON THE ROADWAY.
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UH, I SAW THESE ELECTRIC, I SAW GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT COMING UP FRANKLIN ROAD THE OTHER DAY.UH, FROM THE BACK IT LOOKED LIKE A REALLY TALL, SKINNY PICKUP.
IT WAS A SIDE BY SIDE THAT HAD BEEN LIFTED.
AND I THOUGHT, I DIDN'T THINK THOSE WERE LEGAL, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD ALL THE SIGNALS AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE, THE, THE, THE CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THE TYPES OF BICYCLE AND, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE E LIKE THE OTHER E ITEMS, BUT THAT, THAT COULD FIT INTO THIS.
BUT THE THINGS THAT DO NOT HAVE TO BE LICENSED WITH THE STATE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSED DRIVER.
ANYTHING BEYOND THIS TO BE LEGAL WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER THE STATE'S, UH, AUTHORITY, PROPERLY LICENSE WITH A LICENSED DRIVER.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL IF NOT LICENSED.
OR IF THE STATE DOESN'T LICENSE IT AND SOMEONE'S DRIVING IT, IT'S ILLEGAL.
SO YOU HAVE, AND THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT FIT UNDER THAT.
AND SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT EITHER WOULD BE TO THE DEFAULT OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW OR IT'S ILLEGAL, WHICH WHICHEVER.
AND SO THESE ARE WHAT WE REALLY HAVE MOSTLY UNDER OUR CONTROL.
SO I, I THOUGHT A CLASS THREE HAD A THROTTLE TOO.
A CLASS THREE DOES NOT HAVE A THROTTLE.
IT JUST SAYS IT DOES NOT, WHICH IS REALLY ODD.
WELL, THE, THE OLD CLASSIFICATIONS WEREN'T THIS WAY.
SO, SO THIS IS LIKE THE NEW ADJUSTED.
SO, BUT PREVIOUSLY THE CLASS TWOS WERE THE FASTER CLASS ONES.
SO, AND THE THROTTLES WERE NOT, WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN THERE WHEN THEY STARTED THE INITIAL ONES.
I GUESS MY QUE SO I A CLASS THREE, YOU HAVE TO PEDAL.
BUT IF YOU JUST BARELY PEDAL, WILL IT GO 28 MILES AN HOUR? YOU, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THAT.
NO, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO PUT EFFORT.
THE EFFORT STILL HAS TO MATCH.
I MEAN YOU CAN GO LOW, LIKE LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH SUPPORT.
SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO, WHAT HAPPENS ON THOSE REAL HARD IS ONCE YOU GO PAST 28 MILES AN HOUR, YOU GET NO ASSIST.
AND GENERALLY I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE GOING DOWNHILL.
NOW SOME PEOPLE COULD PROBABLY REACH THAT SPEED IN A STRAIGHT WAY.
I DON'T SEE MANY PEOPLE UNLESS THEY'RE TOUR.
THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS WHEN I'M RIDING MY BIKE WITH MY WIFE AND I HAVE A MOUNTAIN BIKE AND IT'S NOT ELECTRIC.
AND THERE ARE A FEW HILLS IN OUR TOWN AND SHE HAS ONE THAT'S ELECTRIC AND SHE SAYS, I NEED TO GET AN ELECTRIC ONE.
I SAY, NO, I WON'T GET ANY EXERCISE IF I DO
AND WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE SHE GOES, SURE YOU WILL.
AND AFTER WE WENT ALL THE WAY OUT ON RAGSDALE AND SPLIT LOG, RIGHT.
SPLIT LOG AND, OR I'M SORRY, NOT RAGSDALE.
SPLIT LOG ALL THE WAY OUT EAST TO THE VERY END.
UM, IT GETS KIND OF HILLY OUT THERE.
AND SHE'S NOT BREATHING AT ALL.
AND SHE HAS A CLASS, SHE HAS A CLASS TWO AND SHE'S NOT BREATHING AT ALL.
SO, AND HERS HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ASSISTS.
SO TO YOUR POINT, CLASS TWO OR THREE, UH, ANY OF 'EM, FOR THAT MATTER, MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S LEVELS OF ASSIST.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PEDAL HARD.
BECAUSE IF YOU DID, SHE WOULD'VE BEEN BREATHING HARD LIKE ME.
AND SHE'S NOT IN THAT GOOD OF SHAPE
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE'S IN BAD SHAPE'S, NOT IN THAT GOOD SHAPE.
BUT THE CLASS TWO IS, IS YOU DON'T NEED TO USE THE PEDALS AT ALL.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT THEM THIS PAST WEEKEND WHEN WE WERE OUT, UH, IN THE MOUNTAINS.
AND ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES, UH, BETWEEN THOSE AND LIKE JUST THE, THE MOTOR PLACE, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY LIKE ADDING PEDALS TO THE MOTORCYCLE ONES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE BIKE PEDALS, BUT THEY AREN'T BECAUSE THEY AREN'T SURE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THEY DO HAVE THE CHAIN FROM THE PEDALS TO THE WHEEL.
THERE'S A DRIVE SYSTEM DIFFERENCES.
AND TWO, YOU DON'T NEED TO ENGAGE THE PEDALS TO MAKE IT GO.
BUT ONE IN THREE, THAT CHAIN HAS TO BE, HAS TO BE MOVED, LIFTED.
THIS MOTORCYCLE, PEOPLE WANNA RIDE 'EM LIKE A BIKE PATH OR WELL, THEY, THEY WANNA BE ON THE STREET.
WELL, THEY WANNA BE EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN THEY, MOST OF THEM, THEY DO BOTH.
THEIR MOTORCYCLES ARE OLDER CHILDREN AND ADULT INTO THE ADULTING.
BUT THEY WANT TO GO EVERYWHERE.
THEY WANT TO ZIP UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.
THEY WANT TO BE IN GREEN SPACES.
AND THAT'S, AND EVEN ON A PATH, EVENTUALLY THEY'LL HAVE TO CROSS OR DRIVE OR, OR RIDES ON THE STREET A CERTAIN DISTANCE TO GET TO THE NEXT PATH AS WELL.
I, I, I THINK I'VE EVEN MENTIONED TO YOU CHIEF WHEN WE FIRST HAD THIS DISCUSSION, BUT TWICE ON A SPLIT LOG, AS YOU COME OUT OF THE PARK ACROSS WILSON PI, UP THAT HILL, AND I ASSUME IT MUST BE AN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE AN E-BIKE.
UH, THEY HAD TO HAVE BEEN HITTING 40 OR ABOVE BY THE TIME THEY HIT THE TOP OF THAT HILL.
AND THEY WERE ON THE TRAIL AND THERE'S A LOT OF WALKERS ON THE TRAIL.
AND THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT, THE SECOND TIME I SAW IT, THERE WERE WALKERS AND IT WAS DUSK.
AND THEN I THOUGHT IF THAT BIKE OR MOTORBIKE, I GUESS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE.
'CAUSE IT WAS GOING WAY MORE THAN 28 MILES AN HOUR.
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THE STREET OR WHATEVER AT DUSK, NOBODY WOULD'VE SEEN HIM IN A CAR.AND, UH, BUT IT, AT THE TIME, I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
SO SOMETIMES WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, IS AN ACTUAL ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THE MOTOR MUST HAVE BEEN IN THAT BAR.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BATTERY PUT 'EM ON THE E-BIKE.
SO 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE A, A MOTOR, LIKE A CC MOTOR.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A 1 35 CC MOTOR ON IT OR ANYTHING.
SO PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING RIGHT NOW, JUST HAVING THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT ONE IS LEGAL, WHAT'S NOT, WHAT DO THEY DO? IMAGINE THE PARENT WHO'S JUST WANTING TO BUY THAT GREAT GIFT FOR THEIR KID.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THINKING ABOUT A LOT OF THAT.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THAT, THAT ARE JUST KIND OF FOCUSED ON, THIS IS A GREAT GIFT AND WE'RE GONNA GET A HELMET.
THEY MAY BE FOCUSED ON SAFETY, BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW WHAT THEY, UH, PURCHASED FITS INTO THIS SCHEME.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, IF IMMENSE TO THIS THING.
SO THAT'S WHERE, AS WE WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE, THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS EDUCATION IS REALLY GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU BUYING YOUR CHILD? HOW DOES IT FIT IN THIS? WHAT'S ALLOWABLE? WHERE IS IT ALLOWABLE? WHERE IS IT NOT? BECAUSE YOU REALLY NEED THE PARENTS, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP US WITH THIS.
UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE JUST SO MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE.
AND IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AND SIMPLE AS IT SHOULD BE.
SO WHERE CAN YOU RIDE IN TENNESSEE? RIGHT? SO CLASS ONE AND TWO E-BIKES.
RIGHT NOW, ANYWHERE REGULAR BIKES ARE ALLOWED, UH, NOW WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE, OR WE COULD PROHIBIT CLASS ONE AND TWO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW CLASS ONE AND TWO.
BUT RIGHT NOW, BY DEFAULT, ANYWHERE, UH, REGULAR BIKES ARE ALLOWED ON STREETS PASS OR TRICKS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SPEEDOMETER AND FOR 16 YEARS AND UP, THAT'S A CHANGE.
SEE, THE UNDERLYING THINGS ARE, ARE WHAT HAS BEEN PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE, BUT THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT YET SIGNED INTO LAWS.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
UH, SO ALLOWED ON ROADS MUST HAVE PARAMETERS 16 AND UP.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON BIKE PASS OR TRAILS.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE IS A BIKE LANE THAT'S CONSIDERED PART OF THE ROAD, I BELIEVE OUR INTERPRETATION ARE ALLOWED ON THE BIKE LANE.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAIL WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE ROAD, THE CURB, SOME SPACE AND A TRAIL, IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON THE TRAIL, YOU COULD ALLOW THEM ON THE TRAIL, BUT BY DEFAULT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON THE TRAIL.
SO ONE OF YOUR DECISION FACTORS EVENTUALLY WILL BE, DO YOU WANNA ALLOW CLASS THREE ON THE TRAIL? DO YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP 'EM ON THE ROAD? THE OTHER SIDE TO THAT IS, IS WE HAVE TO WATCH, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING A LOT OF THOSE ARE ON OUR TRAILS RIGHT NOW AS MENTIONING, AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT THREES ARE PROBABLY ILLEGAL.
UM, SO ALL E-BIKES CAN RIDE ON SIDEWALKS IF THE MOTOR IS OFF.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF YOU HAVE PEDALS AND IT'S, YOU'RE FULLY PEDALED.
NOW HOW CAN I TELL, EXCEPT WHEN I'M RIDING WITH MY WIFE, HOW CAN I TELL FROM A DISTANCE IF SOMEONE ISN'T GOING TOO FAST? RIGHT.
IF THE MOTOR'S ON OR A, I CAN'T PROBABLY.
NOW IF THEY'RE AS, AS RAY MENTIONED, IF THEY'RE ZIPPING UP A HILL SUPER FAST AND THEY'RE NOT BREATHING TOO HARD, PRETTY GOOD CHANCE.
THEY, THEY'RE METAL, UH, MOTOR ASSIST THERE GOING ON.
GONNA SAY AT SOME LEVEL, IF WE CAN'T TELL, I'M NOT SURE WE CARE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
IF YOU CAN'T, WELL, AND ALSO, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SIZE OF THE WRITER, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT NOT BE GOING TOO FAST, BUT IF IT'S OUT OF PROPORTION TO WHAT YOU'RE ESTIMATING SOMEBODY IN THAT AGE GROUP OR SIZE CAN DO, THEN THEY'RE NOT, THEN THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE I MEAN, IT REALLY MY AGE GROUP, MY SENSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THE ASSIST, YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT EFFORT IN, BUT NOT THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, I CAN GET UP A HILL LIKE YOUR WIFE AND NOT BE, BUT IF, IF THEY'RE ON A FLAT SIDEWALK OR GOING WHATEVER, RIGHT.
GOING A TYPICAL NORMAL SPEED, NOT BE GOING 20, BUT HE'S STILL GOT HIS MOTOR ON BECAUSE HE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO AS FAST AS, I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF SUBJECTIVE.
BUT THEY ALL, I THINK THEY ALL HAVE SPEEDOMETER.
EVERYONE I'VE RENTED HAS HAD A SPEEDOMETER ON AND IT, AND IT'S PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT THEN, UH, ALSO, UH, SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH A ASSISTS BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE THE ASSIST.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE ONE THROUGH FIVE, SOME, SOME ARE ONE THROUGH THREE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH THE ASSIST YOU'RE GETTING AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR SPEED IS.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
SO THESE KIDS KNOW HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING.
WELL IT SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE RIDING.
THE POLICE AREN'T ON THE TRAILS.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS EXCEPT TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
WELL, WE'LL, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UH, I THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
UM, SO, UH, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
BUT SO THEY, THEY HAVE FALL TRAFFIC LAWS, BUT NOT ALL MOTOR VEHICLE RULES APPLY.
SO JUST KEEP IN MIND, I HAVE TO FOLLOW TRAFFIC LAWS HERE.
JASON, IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK ON BACK ON THAT LAST SLIDE BECAUSE I, I SHOULD HAVE MADE UNDER THE ALL E-BIKES CAN RIDE ON SIDEWALKS IF MOTOR IS OFF.
I SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED THAT THAT IS, UM, IT, IT MAY BE SPECIFIC TO OTHER CITIES TOO, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE WE IN OUR CODE, ALLOW BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS.
SO THAT IS WHY THAT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BLANKET THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED ON, ON BIKE.
SOME TOWNS DON'T ALLOW BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS.
SO THEREFORE WE ALLOW E-BIKES ON SIDEWALKS.
AND AGAIN, WITH THIS NEW LEGISLATION, I THINK WE COULD STILL
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PRO CHOOSE TO PROHIBIT ONE AND TWO NOW.UM, AND A SIDEWALK FOR CLARIFICATION IS DIFFERENT THAN A TRIP.
THEY, LIKE THE TRAIL AND LAUNCH FOOT LOG IS NOT CONSIDERED A SIDE LOG, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW.
SO PUBLIC EDUCATION, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION WORKING WITH SCHOOL, UH, UH, UH, GROUP AND, UH, DOING A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF.
SO WE DID THAT EVEN AHEAD OF CHRISTMAS LAST YEAR.
BUT I THINK AS WE GET INTO THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO BE PROBABLY PUT A, UH, PUBLIC EDUCATION AND INFORMATIONAL PLAN TOGETHER AND, AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, IT IS PRETTY ROBUST AND WE REALLY HIT THOSE PIECES, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT.
UH, SO THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
CAN THE CITY CONFISCATE E-BIKES FOR ORDINANCE VIOLATORS? MM-HMM
NOT AS A STANDARD PRACTICE? THERE MAY BE LIMITED EXCEPTIONS, BUT GENERALLY NO.
CAN WE ENFORCE OUR BICYCLE AND E-BIKE ORDINANCES FROM STATE RIGHT OF WAY? YES.
IF OUR ORDINANCES DO NOT CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW AND DO NOT EXCEED OUR MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY, SOME OF THAT WE, THE, THE STATE DOES DELEGATE QUITE A BIT OF, UH, DISCRETION TO US.
AND SO AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, I GUESS IS ACCURATE.
CAN WE CREATE E-BIKE POST VIOLATION TRAINING THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT? WE CAN.
IT MAY DEPEND ON THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF VOLUME OF ORDINANCES, VIOLATORS WE HAVE THAT MIGHT JUSTIFY WHETHER IT, IT'S WORTH THE TIME AND EFFORT TO CREATE A PROGRAM.
BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT.
WHAT IS MEANT BY ADULT THERE IS THAT THE ADULT BIKE RIDER OR THE ADULT PARENT OF THE CHILD THAT'S BEEN IN THE, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE SAYS ADULT ORDINANCE VIOLATORS.
I PRESUME THAT WOULD, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CONTEXT OF THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY THE ADULT BIKE RIDER.
SO WHAT ABOUT FOR THE CHILDREN THAT WE CONSIDER? I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE, I MEAN THEY'RE THE ONES MOSTLY USING IT, RIGHT? SO I IT'D BE RARE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE INTO THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE RE PART OF THE COMPLICATION HERE.
AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE DO NOT REQUIRE LICENSURE.
AND FOR OF THE, OF THE TAGGING OF THE ACTUAL BIKE AND DO NOT REQUIRE THE RIDER TO BE LICENSED, WE'RE DEALING WITH ADULTS AND WE'RE DEALING WITH JUVENILES.
AND SO THE QUESTION OF REGULATING WITH JUVENILES IS PROBABLY MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT IS ADULTS.
BUT, UH, KRISTEN, JIM, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANNA TAG TEAM THAT AND, AND WE DO NOT TYPICALLY.
UM, OR ANYMORE MAYBE I THINK THE JUVENILE COURT IS NOW HANDLING THE VAST MAJORITY.
AND I BELIEVE, AGAIN, WITHOUT SPEAKING FOR CHIEF OR HIS FOLKS, THAT THESE TYPES OF CITATIONS WOULD BE SENT TO JUVENILE COURT INSTEAD OF OUR MUNICIPAL COURT.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE OH, SO WE WOULDN'T PROVIDE, PROVIDE THAT YES.
IS THAT YOU COOL WITH THAT
SO ON THE QUESTION, CAN WE CREATE E-BIKE POST VIOLATION TRAINING THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT? I'M ASSUMING THAT ALSO MEANS CAN WE LICENSE PREEXISTING TRAINING FROM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CREATED? OH YEAH.
WE COULD, IF WE FOUND SOME GOOD TRAINING, WE COULD BORROW THAT AS WELL.
AGAIN, I DON'T, I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THESE E-BIKE RIDER WHO WERE, WHO I THINK YOU ALL AND THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT, ARE THOSE UNDER 16 NON NON DRIVER'S LICENSED KIDS.
AND, AND I WILL SAY, I THINK THE GOOD THING ABOUT, AT LEAST FOR THE CLASS THREE BIKES, THE STATE LAW, MAKING THEM HAVE TO BE 16, MAYBE THAT'LL KIND OF PREVENT, ESPECIALLY THAT LIKE 13 TO 16 AGE MM-HMM
UM, 'CAUSE NOW TO HAVE A CLASS THREE BIKE, YOU'LL HAVE TO BE 16 YEARS OLD.
AND AGAIN, THAT'LL BE A WHOLE LOT OF EDUCATION AND STUFF TO MAKE SURE THE PARENTS UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW AGAIN, HOW MANY ADULT ORDINANCE VIOLATORS WE WOULD HAVE TO EVEN MAKE IT WORTH OUR WHILE TO PAY FOR AN EDUCATION PROGRAM FROM, FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THE, SORRY.
AND, AND OF COURSE I HAVE THREE KIDS AND Y'ALL KNOW, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE OUR KIDS WHO AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ORDINANCES MORE THAN THE ADULTS.
AT LEAST YOU HOPE THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK MOST ADULTS ARE USING THEM FOR RECREATION AND NOT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
WELL, COULD IT BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UM, WELL YOU SAID THEY'D GO TO JUVENILE COURT.
BUT THEY COULD STILL LIKE SAY WE CREATE A VIDEO, YOU KNOW, DETAILING THE DANGERS AND I'M TALKING FOR THE JUVENILES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RULES ARE AND THE EXPECTATIONS AND IF THEY VIOLATE 'EM, THEY'D BE REQUIRED BY A JUDGE TO COME DOWN TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND SIT AND WATCH THAT VIDEO WITH THEIR PARENT.
AND THEY SIGN IT WHEN THEY FINISH.
I MEAN, THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT USING PERSONNEL.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS GOT SOMEBODY SITTING AT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE TRAINING PROGRAM WITH A ONE-ON-ONE INSTRUCTOR.
MY GUESS IS THAT WOULD BE, AND AGAIN, CHARLES IS, THAT WAS LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING AS A, AS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS.
MY GUESS IS THAT'S ALSO PART OF WHAT THE COUNTY
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IS LOOKING AT.LIKE WE KNOW THAT THEY HAD THE SCHOOLS, WE SAW THE BRENTWOOD HIGH VIDEO, UM, IN THE YOUTH LEADERSHIP, BRENTWOOD.
BUT I THINK THE SCHOOLS ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO REALLY FORCING THE EDUCATION.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE JUVENILE COURT WOULD ADOPT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND, AND WHETHER IT'S COMING TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WHETHER THEY PUT ON A PROGRAM THEMSELVES, MY GUESS IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, WELL THEN WHAT DO WE DO? AND IF WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY SCHOOLS ARE DOING AND WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY'S DOING AND WHAT THE STATE'S DOING, WE'RE NOT, WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN ALL OF THIS? WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL AS FAR AS THE EDUCATION.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT FROM THE JUVENILE COURT, THEY COULD ABSOLUTELY CHOOSE TO SEND THEN TO US AND WE COULD DO A VIDEO OR WE COULD DO WHATEVER.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THAT'S WHAT THE JUVENILE JUDGE CHOOSES TO DO.
I'VE LOVED THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN E-BIKE.
I DON'T HANG OUT WITH THE E-BIKE PEOPLE.
SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT
I'M THINKING, WHAT ARE WE TALKING THIS TO DEATH FOR? RIGHT, RIGHT.
WHEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, WE CAN NOW, AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THIS LEGISLATION, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE BASED ON THE, ON THE, UM, DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD AT BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, I CANNOT IMAGINE HE WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT CAME FROM SENATOR JOHNSON AND REPRESENTATIVE REEVES.
SO OUR, OUR FOLKS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AT THE REQUEST OF BOTH THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
THEY BROUGHT THIS LEGISLATION FORWARD.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOW YOU AS A COMMISSION COULD DECIDE TO PROHIBIT E-BIKES ALTOGETHER ON YOUR SIDEWALKS.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT WHAT IF YOU WANT TO IS GONNA BE THE REAL QUESTION.
BECAUSE IT, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT STILL.
BUT IN THAT CASE, THE WE, OUR ORDINANCE WOULDN'T DICTATE WHAT THE JUVENILE COURT HAS.
IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY CAN.
IF AT OUR SUGGESTION THEY WANT DO A VIDEO, ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN TELL THEM WE'RE WILLING TO DO, WE CAN TRY TO GET THEM TOO.
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO THAT.
SO LET'S GET THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND I WANNA GET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND, AND KIND OF GIVE YOU WHERE STAFF THINKS AT LEAST MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO START.
NOW IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU COULD DO MORE.
YOU COULD DO MORE EVEN NOW IF YOU WANT TO, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
'CAUSE I, I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS, ANNE, THAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE SEE AS COMPLICATIONS TOO.
UM, SO WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE COUNT OF E-BIKE SCOOTERS IN OUR SCHOOLS? THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
AND WHEN WE DID THE CENSUS, WE HAD ABOUT 24 CROCKETT, 25 TO 30 AT BRENTWOOD.
MIDDLE ONE AT LIPSCOMB ELEMENTARY.
RAVENWOOD HIGH IS 20 TO 25 AND BRENTWOOD HIGH DIDN'T TRACK.
BUT, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK KIND OF IDEA OF HOW MANY ARE GOING EACH OF THOSE SCHOOLS.
IS THERE A NATIONAL E-BIKE ORGANIZATION WITH TRUSTED INFORMATION, MATERIAL AND GUIDANCE? THERE ARE REALLY THREE ORGANIZATIONS.
WE FOUND THAT MOST E-BIKES WOULD POINT TO, SOME PROBABLY MORE THAN OTHERS.
THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS THAT DEAL WITH ALL BICYCLES, PEOPLE FOR BIKES, UH, THEY ADDRESS STATE LAWS FOR E-BIKES AND THE INTERNATIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION, THEY ACKNOWLEDGE CLASS ONE E-BIKES IS BEST SUITED FOR NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS.
SO THOSE ARE THREE WITH THEIR OWN CONTEXT QUESTION.
JUST IF WE GO BACK TO THE NUMBER OF BICYCLES, THAT'S GONNA BE THE MINIMAL NUMBER WE EVER HAVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THESE KIDS ARE HAPPY AND THEY'RE TELLING THEIR FRIENDS AND COME CHRISTMAS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LOWEST LEVEL I WOULD WANT ONE IF I WAS A CHILD.
WE GO UP AND I THINK THERE'S MORE DURING THE WEEK, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF A CONCENTRATED TIME.
BUT I THINK DURING THE WEEKENDS AND WHEN THE WEATHER WAS NICE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THERE ARE A LOT MORE OUT THERE.
I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
'CAUSE THIS IS EARLY IN THE LIFE OF E-BIKES.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM BECOME MORE POPULAR.
DOES THE EDUCATION TEAM FROM VANDERBILT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL HAVE INFORMATION RELATED E-BIKE SAFETY AND DANGERS? YES.
THEY CAN PROVIDE BY PEDESTRIAN SAFETY HANDOUTS AND HELMETS.
SO WE GOT THE, UH, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, BIKE WALK BRENTWOOD.
AND IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT, HONESTLY, BEFORE I THINK THAT, THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE START A COUPLE DIFFERENCES, BUT, UM, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE CLASS OF E-BIKE, UH, CLASS ONE, AGAIN, NO MINIMUM, NO LICENSE REQUIRED, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY DO RECOMMEND PROHIBITING IN COMMERCIAL COURSE FOR ALL THE CLASSES.
WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT WE'VE NOTICED.
I LOOK AT JIM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE NOTICED ANY ISSUES IN ANY COMMERCIAL CORES.
AND GENERALLY IF BICYCLES CAN GET THE COMMERCIAL CORES, THERE'S NO REASON TO.
E-BIKES SHOULDN'T, UNLESS THEY'RE CREATING AN ISSUE.
YOU COULD ALWAYS ADDRESS THAT LATER.
BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULDN'T BE TO PROHIBIT THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE ON HERE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
UH, SO GOING, GOING DOWN WITH THE CLASS THREES, WE HAVE GREATER THAN 14.
CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO 16? IT'S 16 NOW.
BUT MEAN, CAN WE, SO WE'RE, WE, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE OURS TO MATCH THE STATE.
THE STATEMENT PREVAIL ON THE AGE.
BRETT, MY RECOMMENDATIONS NOT STAFF.
THESE JUST, THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY HAD SENT OVER TO US.
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IT'S NOT A CHART THAT YEAH, WE YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE DON'T ESTABLISH THAT RIGHT NOW.UH, BUT REALLY, UH, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, THEY, THEY WON'T ALLOW THE, UH, FOR BIKE LANES ON THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF 'EM ARE FINE NOW THEY GO INTO SCOOTERS.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SCOOTERS IN THESE E SKATES, SEA UNICYCLES, ALL THAT.
BUT THE PERMIT THEM ON OUR BIKE LANES, WHICH WOULD BE OUR MULTI-USE PATHS AND PARKS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, CLASS C.
BUT UH, PAVED, GREENWAY SHARED USE PATHS PERMIT FOR THE ONES AND TWOS, NOT THE THREE RIGHT.
NOW STATE LAW WOULD SAY BY DEFAULT, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
UNLESS WE WOULD WANNA CHANGE THAT LOCALLY, NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS PERMIT CLASS ONE AND TWO PROHIBIT THREE.
DAVE, WHAT DON'T WE ALLOW ON? UH, DO WE ALLOW ONE OR ONE AND TWO AND ON OUR, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS ONE AND TWO.
SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN THEIR, AND THIS CAME OUT BEFORE THE STATE LAW CHANGED ON THEIR 14 YEARS.
REALLY EVERYTHING HERE IS GONNA BE PRETTY CONSISTENT, I THINK WITH WHAT WE'LL RECOMMEND.
IF YOU WANNA START AT A LIGHT LEVEL AND THEN DECIDE IF YOU WANNA WORK UP TO THAT.
UH, WE DON'T FIND THAT WE'RE IN ANY KIND OF, OF, UH, CONFLICT AT ALL.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT COMMERCIAL AREAS WE ALLOW 'EM TODAY, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED WHERE REGULAR BICYCLES CAN GO.
THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, THAT CONCERNS ME IN A WAY BECAUSE THE ONE PLACE, THE ONE PLACE THAT I SAW THREE KIDS ON THE ELECTRIC BIKES WAS AT JEFFERSON'S.
NOW THEY DIDN'T COME UP MARYLAND WAY.
'CAUSE I SAW 'EM GO BACK AND GET ON THE, ON THE PATH BACK THERE.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THE PEOPLE IN MEADOW LAKE WOULD WANT TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.
BUT THAT, I MEAN, ARE WE TELLING 'EM THEY COULDN'T RIDE FROM MEADOW LAKE TO DOWNTOWN? BRO, IF, IF YOU PROHIBITED, YOU WOULD BE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT DEPENDING ON THEIR DESTINATION OF HOW TO, TO MANAGE THAT.
OUR THOUGHT IS IS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU THINK OF BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITIES, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT, YOU WANT PARTS TO CONNECT.
YOU WANT SCHOOLS TO CONNECT, UH, LIBRARY PLACES LIKE LIBRARIES TO CONNECT.
UM, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PUBLIC PLACES YOU WANT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS TO CONNECT.
I MEAN THOSE ARE ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY CAN RIDE WHERE REGULAR BICYCLES CAN GO.
SO IF, IF WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATION TO PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL AREAS, COMMERCIAL CORES, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS AND THEN HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT PROHIBITED RIGHT NOW WE DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY UNLESS WE START TO SEE REAL ISSUES THERE.
WELL I THINK IF WE HAVE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, MOTORS OFF, THEN IT'S FINE.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING UP THAT BIKE TRAIL AND THEY'RE GOING TO JEFFERSON'S OR ONE OF THE ONES LIKE ON VIRGINIA WAY THAT BACK ON THE TRAIL, THEN I, I THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT FOR SHORT CONNECTS THAT WOULD WOULD BE OKAY.
BUT IF WE ALLOW THEM ON THE SIDEWALKS WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE MOTORS ON, WITHOUT THE BATTERY ON ACTUALLY, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA AND IT WOULDN'T BE PROHIBITED ON THOSE SIDEWALKS.
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT, YOU KNOW, UP FRANKLIN ROAD TO MURRAY AND THEN HIT THAT SIDEWALK AREA ALONG BRENTWOOD COUNTRY CLUB AND STUFF THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THEM ON THAT SIDEWALK WITH THEIR MOTORS OFF.
AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO, IF WE WERE GONNA PROHIBIT, YOU'D HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT HARD FOR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE ON THEIR BICYCLE TO KNOW WHEN THEY PICK THAT SPACE.
SO, SO SHOULD WE STILL BE ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OR SHOULD WE BE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? WE'RE HEADED RIGHT THERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO GOOD TRANSITION STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS,
UM, SO FOR CLASSES ONE AND TWO RIGHT NOW WE BELIEVE CONTINUING TO ALLOW THEM TO BE, TO BE ON STREETS OR MULTI-USE PAST TRADITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND PARKS AS WE DO TODAY PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TODAY.
UM, CLASSES ONE AND TWO WHERE YOU SAY INCLUDE HARD SURFACE AND NATURAL SURFACE PARK TRAILS EXCLUDES WALKING TRAILS.
DO YOU MEAN EXCLUDES NATURAL SURFACE WALKING TRAILS? YES.
YEAH, THOSE ARE REALLY THE EXCLUDES.
THE PARK NATURAL SURFACE WALKING TRAILS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC.
'CAUSE IF I READ THIS RIGHT NOW, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'RE OUT OF CROCKETT PARK.
BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THINK THOSE AS ONE AND, AND REALLY THAT'S ALREADY RULES PUT IN PLACE, UH, OF WHAT WE DO THERE.
SO IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
THAT THIS WOULD PROHIBIT 'EM FROM CROCKETT PARK TRAIL WHEN IT, BUT IT WOULD PROHIBIT 'EM FROM LIKE SMITH PARK, THE WALKING TRAILS UP OVER THE HILL.
TRAILS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO WALKING ONLY.
SO THE SURFACE, 'CAUSE THE CROCK, THEY ALREADY SURFACE.
I BELIEVE THAT DAVE, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU CHIME IN.
THAT WOULD UH, DO SMITH, IT WOULD DO THE FRISBEE DISCOURSE WHERE WE HAVE NATURAL, UH, PILE PARK THAT HAS THE NATURAL TRAIL WITH STOP.
SO NATURAL TRAIL SURFACE OR NATURAL WALK WALKING TRAILS
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AND PARKS IS WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO.BUT YEAH, WE'D BE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED AT GRANNY WHITE PARK DOING THE LOOP.
THAT PART IS A NO CHANGE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.
SO WE THINK ON CLASS THREE CONTINUE TO PERMIT ON STREETS AND ADJACENT, WHICH MEANS ON THE STREET PATH, UH, A, A BIKE PATH ON THE STREET, UM, ON THE KN ALLEY WHERE THEY HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKING PATH AND, AND BIKE PATH, YOU KNOW, ON YEAH.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE, THE CLASS THREE WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING NOT NOT TO BE, TO BE PROHIBITED ON WHAT WE CALL MULTI-USE PATHS.
UM, BUT, BUT IF THERE IS A BIKE LANE ON A ROADWAY IS ALREADY ALLOWED ON THE ROADWAY, THEN THEY COULD BE IN THE BIKE LANE.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, CONTINUE TO PROHIBIT ON, UH, PART NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS.
UM, CONTINUE TO CLASSIFY ALL REMAINING E-BIKES OR E MOTORCYCLES AS ILLEGAL UNLESS PROPERLY LICENSED.
SO ANYTHING BEYOND THE THREES WOULD BE ILLEGAL UNLESS PROPERLY LICENSED BY THE STATE.
THEN THEY'RE UNDER THE STATE'S RULES.
GOING BACK TO WHAT KEN SAID, IF YOU'RE ON A THREE AND YOU'RE RIDING ON A PATH AND YOU COME UP TO A COMMERCIAL AREA AND YOU WANT TO STOP AND EAT, YOU CAN'T GET ON THE SIDEWALK WITH THIS.
OR CAN YOU, IF YOU DISMANTLE ALL THE MOTOR STOP JUST, YOU JUST TURN IT, IT'S JUST A SWITCH.
WELL, SHOULD WE SAY THAT, THAT IT IS ALLOWED ON SIDEWALKS IF IT'S NOT, UH, OPERATING? I THINK WE DID EARLIER AND YEAH.
IF THERE'S AN OR IF WE GET INTO THIS AND WHATEVER CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR.
AND I, I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, WE WILL EVEN NEED A CODE CHANGE.
I THINK THAT REALLY IS WHERE THE EDUCATION PART IS GONNA COME IN, IN THE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IS JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THESE RULES THAT ALREADY APPLY ABOUT TURNING YOUR MOTOR OFF, UM, AND HAVING TO REMIND THE SCHOOLS OF THAT.
SO I DON'T, AN ADJACENT PATH COULD BE CONSIDERED A SIDEWALK.
AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, BECAUSE WE USE ADJACENT PATH AS MORE AS LIKE THE BIKE LAND.
AND FOR THAT SECOND SENTENCE WE PROBABLY COULD BEEN, I WAS THINK ADJACENT PATH MEANING LITERAL RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CLASS TWOS BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT CHILDREN PROBABLY UNDER THE AGE OF 14 HAVE ENOUGH COMMON SENSE AND EXPERIENCE TO BE ON THE BIKE TRAILS, ON THE PAVED BIKE TRAILS AND THE PAVED ADJACENT PASS WITH A CLASS TWO.
BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY A CLASS TWO IS A MINI BIKE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO PEDAL, YOU CAN JUST KEEP YOUR HAND ON THE THROTTLE AND GO MM-HMM
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THESE KIDS ON THE REGULAR BIKES, EVEN ON THE TRAILS, AT LEAST ON THE REGULAR BIKES, WHEN THEY START MESSING AROUND AND YOU KNOW, GOOF AROUND WITH EACH OTHER, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPEED AND THEY ALL JUST END UP FALLING OVER OR SOMETHING.
OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OR PAYING ATTENTION TO STARTING A PEDAL AGAIN.
BUT THESE KIDS, AND, AND I MEAN I RODE MANY BIKES WHEN I FLEW, SO I'M NOT OBJECTING TO MANY BIKES.
YOU KNOW, I HAD MY FIRST ONE PROBABLY AT AGE FIVE, BUT WE WERE ON, YOU KNOW, DIRT PASS AND YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T OUT WHERE THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU CAN JUST KEEP YOUR HANDS ON AND GO.
AND, AND, AND I REALLY THINK SINCE THAT'S SUCH, AND, AND YES IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, BUT I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE IT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN AGE LIMIT OR SOME OTHER LIMIT ON THAT, THEN IT IS JUST GONNA LEAD TO PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING, THEY'RE HAVING THE RUN-INS WHILE THEY'RE WALKING THEIR DOGS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF ARE MOST LIKELY SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE USUALLY KIDS, EVEN IF THEY'RE AIMING FOR YOU, THEY'LL STOP PEDALING, YOU KNOW, OR JERK THEIR WHEELS OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT IF THEY HAVE A A TUBE, I, I COULD SEE IT JUST GOING ON AND, AND I REALLY THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE COMPLETELY UNENFORCEABLE.
BUT I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE AN AGE LIMIT ON WHERE THEY CAN RIDE THOSE, I I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'RE SHARING A PATH WITH PEDESTRIANS AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE EXPERIENCE TO YOU IS YOUR THOUGHT, JONATHAN, TO MAYBE IN AND IN THAT, TO LOOK AT CLASS TWOS IN THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT CLASS THREES.
I DON'T KNOW IF SIXTEEN'S A A, A GOOD UPPER LIMIT, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, LIKE 12 TO 14 MIDDLE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER AGE YOU ARE WHEN YOU HIT SIXTH GRADE SIX IS 12 AND 13.
12 AND 13, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FOR FIVE AND 12, 7 12, YOU KNOW, 6, 7, 8 YEAR OLDS, NINE YEAR OLDS, 10 YEAR OLDS.
I, I THINK THAT AGE GROUP IS STILL, UM, NOT SO THAT, THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION POINT FOR YOU THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO GO INTO THE ORDINANCE SOME FOR SURE.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WONDER FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GAUGE AGE AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, LIKE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STAGES AND STUFF.
I WONDER IF IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT ABOUT TURNING THE
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THROTTLE OFF ON THE PATH AND THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S AN EASIER WAY FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STAND TO NOT USE IT.I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN TURN IT OFF, BUT YOU CANNOT USE IT.
AND THERE, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PLACES ON THE TRAILS THAT YOU, OTHER THAN DOWNHILL ON SOME OF THE BIG ONES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE COASTING ANYHOW.
SO YOU'RE GONNA EXPECT TO SEE PEDAL AND THEY CAN STILL GO THE SAME SPEED PEDALLING.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MAKES IT ANY EASIER TO ENFORCE, BUT I WOULD HESITATE FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT TO TRY TO ASSIGN AN AGE TO IT AGAIN, JUST FOR SURE.
YOU HOPE THEY HAVE A HELMET ON SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR FACE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT PRETTY NEAR IMPOSSIBLE I THINK FOR OUR OFFICERS TO GAUGE OR GUESS ON YEAH.
HOW THEY TURN THE THROTTLE OFF.
I KEEP ON ON TALKING ABOUT TURN.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN DISEN, I MEAN IS IS THERE A WAY TO TURN THE THROTTLE OFF SO THE CHILD CAN'T USE IT OR IS IT JUST THEY IT'S THERE AND THEY USE IT AND OR THEY DON'T LET YOU HAND? I DON'T, YOU CAN TURN IT OFF.
I'M NOT AWARE OF BEING ABLE TO TURN IT OFF.
AND I, AND I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER DUNNA WHO HAS CLASS TWO E-BIKES WITH A THROTTLE, THAT'S WHERE CHILDREN SAY, OH, I CAN MAKE IT ACROSS THE STREET.
'CAUSE TRAFFIC IS STOPPED AND THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC, NOT THE LANE BESIDE IT.
AND SO THEY HIT THE THROTTLE AND THEY VERY QUICKLY JET OUT IN THE TRAFFIC.
UH, AND I'VE SEEN THOSE WRECKS PERSONALLY.
SO COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONER DUN, WHO IS, IS PERFECTLY CORRECT THAT THE CLASS TWO, THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS.
THE AGE RESTRICTION IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE COULD SEE SOMEONE WHO IS VERY YOUNG AND YOU KNOW, BARELY LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ABLE TO HOLD UP THE BICYCLE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHEN WE COULD STOP.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW APPROPRIATE IT WOULD BE TO STOP OTHER PEOPLE.
AND WE WOULD BE CHALLENGED ON THAT I'M SURE.
UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PARENTS THAT ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR CHILDREN ON E-BIKES TRAVELING TO AND FROM SPORTING EVENTS SURE.
AND SCHOOL AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'VE HAD THIS QUESTION SINCE WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND I MAY NOT BE USING PROPER TERMINOLOGY, BUT THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS FOR BEING A PUBLIC NUISANCE FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT UNDER OTHER CATEGORIES, IF IT'S A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM, CONTINUOUS COMPLAINT? BECAUSE I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU GET CONTINUOUS COMPLAINTS OF SPEEDERS IN A CERTAIN AREA, YOU GO, AND I'M SURE IF WE WERE HAVING A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, HAD FOUR PEOPLE KNOCKED OVER ON THE TRAIL AT CROCKETT PARK OR WHATEVER, MIGHT FIGURE OUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO TO CHECK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT IS THERE OTHER RULES IN WHICH, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.
I'VE SEEN ONE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
I SAW ONE DIAGONAL GO ACROSS AN INTERSECTION WITH GREEN LIGHTS IN ONE DIRECTION AND CARS AND, AND I'M GOING TO THE AGE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THEY WERE.
I WOULD NEVER GUESS, BUT I'M GONNA GUESS THEY WERE PROBABLY 10 OR 11 YEARS OLD.
I PROBABLY THOUGHT NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
IS THERE OTHER LAWS OR WHATEVER THAT YOU COULD AT LEAST CITE 'EM OR ENOUGH TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR PARENTS,
BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, UH, BUT THERE BE, SOMETIMES THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE TEETH BEHIND WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, RATHER THAN, OH WELL YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WELL, WHO SAYS I CAN'T DO THAT? SO, AND, AND THE RULES OF THE ROAD THAT APPLY TO THE, THE BICYCLES, WHETHER THEY'RE E-BIKES OR TRADITIONAL BICYCLES, THE, THE RULES OF THE ROAD APPLY TO THEM AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS DEBATABLE AS ALL THIS IS, WHEN YOU RESEARCH THE LAWS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN TENNESSEE, IT IS KIND OF THE STANDARD IN IT'S BEST PRACTICE ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT'S HOW IT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT IS INVOLVED IN ALL THE BICYCLES AND, AND MAKE THE LAWS.
SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE A GOOD HEADSTART AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN ENFORCE COMES BACK AGAIN TO THE AGE.
YOU HAVE A 10-YEAR-OLD WHO'S DOING SOMETHING THAT IS ILLEGAL ON A ROADWAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN LEGALLY BE THERE.
AND THEN YOU'RE CONTACTING THE PARENTS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS REALLY HAVING ANY SORT OF PUNISHMENT FOR IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE PARENTS.
WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK IS PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, MY POINT IS IF SAY AN OFFICER ACTUALLY SEES, OR Y'ALL HAVE CITIZENS GO, LOOK, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL LETS OUT AT X TIME AND THIS CHILD IS GOING ACROSS, I'VE SEEN 'EM FOUR TIMES DO THIS OR WHATEVER.
I, I HAD, I DIDN'T SEE IT THAT SITUATION.
BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVE WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHICH I KNOW OUR THOUGHTS ARE GENERALLY LET'S ADDRESS, ESPECIALLY WITH A
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JUVENILE, LET'S ADDRESS THE PARENTS, BUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE FAMILY.AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY IT IS.
AND I THINK 99.9% OF THE TIMES IT PROBABLY IS.
SO WE HAVE THINGS THAT WHEN SOMETHING'S A NUISANCE OR A PROBLEM, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH, YOU KNOW, A STOP SIGN COMPLAINT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE FIND OUT AT THE TIME OF DAY WHERE IT'S MOST PREVALENT, WE ASSIGN EXTRA OFFICERS THERE AND WE TRY TO HAVE AN IMPACT IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND FOR ADULTS, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING CARS THAT HAVE LICENSE, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUVENILES, IT'S EASIER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SORT OF EFFECT ON THEM BECAUSE THERE IS A MONETARY OR AN INCONVENIENCE SIDE OF RECEIVING A TICKET.
OR HAVING TO GO TO DRIVING SCHOOL.
UH, AND SO, AND FOR THE PARENTS TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO TO COURT WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED DOWN TO JUVENILE COURT TO DEAL WITH A VIOLATION.
IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THE PARENTS AS WELL.
SO IF, IF WE DO HAVE COMPLAINTS, AND WE JUST HAD ONE NOT LONG AGO AT CROCKETT PARK, AND SO DAVE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE SENT OFFICERS DOWN THERE SEVERAL DAYS IN A ROW TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE KIDS, TALK TO THE PARENTS MM-HMM
UM, AND, AND JUST GOING BACK REAL QUICK, I DIDN'T SAY THIS EARLIER, BUT WE DID REVISIT OUR STATISTICS ON THE INJURIES AND THE WRECKS.
THANKFULLY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING ELSE RECENTLY.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE FOR THE POWERPOINT.
BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT JUST, UH, DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN MY KIDS WERE 10 OR 11, IF AN OFFICER HAD ACTUALLY SEEN THEM DOING SOMETHING AND STOPPED THEM, THAT WOULD'VE SCARED THE LIFE OUT OF 'EM.
YOU KNOW, JUST BEING TALKED TO BY A POLICEMAN.
AND I THINK MOST KIDS THAT AGE, UNLESS THEY'RE, I MEAN, I JUST THINK MOST KIDS THAT AGE ARE STILL FRIGHTENED BY BEING TALKED TO BY A POLICEMAN IN A STERN WAY.
AND I DON'T MEAN CRUEL, BUT YOU KNOW, OR JUST BY AND THE ADULT, THEY DON'T KNOW.
AND IT'S, HOW LONG DOES THAT EFFECT LAST? I MEAN, WE DO THE SAME THING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE STOP CARS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE ISSUE TICKETS.
AND A FEW MONTHS LATER WE'LL BE BACK OUT IN THE SAME LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S WORN OFF.
AND SO IT, IT'S TEMPORARY A LOT OF TIMES.
BUT, AND MY POINT OF ALL THAT DISCUSSION WAS RATHER THAN CODIFYING FIND SOMETHING THAT IT'S GONNA BE REAL NEBULOUS AND MIGHT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN, THAN SOLUTIONS THAT Y'ALL ALREADY WATCH FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND I THINK EDUCATING IS GOOD.
AND I THINK EDUCATING THE BIKE SHOPS OR EI OVERHEAR SOMEONE LIKE THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT INDUSTRY DOES NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN AS DANGEROUS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IS, BUT KNOWN AS LIKE DANGEROUS.
WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING, WELL REALLY YOUR CHILD TO BUY THIS.
WHO ARE YOU BUYING THIS FOR? FOUR.
OH, ARE THEY 16? ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE DOES THAT LAW, TO ME, THAT'S GOOD EDUCATION.
SO, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'LL RUIN THEIR INDUSTRY IF THEY DON'T.
SO I THINK KIM HAD HER HAND UP A MINUTE AGO.
OH, I WAS JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY, ALTHOUGH I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH WHAT YOU SAID, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO REGULATE THE AGE.
AND I DON'T WANT, I, MOST PEOPLE HAVE CLASS TWOS, SO IT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST POPULAR ALL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND, UM, I, I JUST THINK EDUCATION AND, AND TRYING TO REALLY GET AWARENESS THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH THE SCHOOLS, ALL OF THAT IS THE BEST.
I I DON'T, IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN POLICE IT.
SO OTHER THAN POSTING MAYBE NO THROTTLE ALLOWED OR SOME SUCH THING, I MEAN, SO IF IT'S POSTED, AT LEAST IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THERE'S CONSEQUENCES.
AND DUE TO THE ACCELERATION, A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN TELL WHEN IT'S A, A CLASS TWO BECAUSE THEY JUST ACCELERATE SO RAPIDLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DISCOURAGE IS USING THESE, WELL I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WORDING.
UH, CLASS ONE AND TWO, UH, THEY'RE ALLOWED ON TRADITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND PARKS INCLUDES HARD SURFACE AND NATURAL SURFACE PARK TRAILS EXCLUDES WALKING TRAILS.
THOSE ARE THE, HERE'S A WALKING TRAIL THAT A BIKE'S NOT ALLOWED ON.
WE HAVE IN OUR PARK SOME DESIGNATED NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS THAT ARE ONLY FOR WALKING.
AND YOU COULD PROBABLY, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO KNOW.
WELL THERE'S, IT'S SIGNED, ISN'T IT? IT IS.
AND IF NOT, WE'D, WE'D UPDATE THE SIGNS IF WE NEEDED TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY FOR.
SO THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, IT JUST REFLECTS WHAT WE ALREADY DO.
AND THAT WAS, THIS IS POWERPOINT BULLET POINTS, NOT WHAT IT'LL SAY.
IT'S A WALK, IT'S A WALKING HIKING TRAIL IN SMITH PARK, RIGHT? OH, IT'S SMITH PARK.
THAT WAS MORE THAN ONE GOT ONE.
I THINK WE AND HOWELL PARK DAVE SAID
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IS THE NATURAL, THE TRACK PARK.THE TOWER PARK, THE HOWELL GRAVEL, THE GRAVEL AT WENDY HILL PARK.
IF WE HAVE A FEW THERE, THEY'LL BE SIGNED THERE ALREADY ARE.
SO THIS JUST REFLECTS WHAT WE DO.
SO WE WOULD JUST MAKE IT SPECIFIC WHEN WE MAKE AN ORDINANCE AS NATIONAL SERVICE, HAVING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL, ACTUALLY A SMITH PARK SEEM TO HELP MOUNTAIN BIKERS NOT RIDE.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES MOUNTAIN BIKERS WOULD RIDE THE WALKING TRAIL.
I MEAN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT FOR A MOUNTAIN.
BUT NOW THEY'VE GOT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL, WHICH IS SO MUCH BETTER FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKES.
THEY, YOU DON'T, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY ON THE HIKING TRAILS.
SO AS WE, AS WE, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW ON THE CLASS TWO, IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT AT LEAST WE WOULD, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT RATHER THAN TRY TO, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS AND PLEASE TALK ABOUT IT, RATHER THAN PROHIBIT CLASS TWO FOR UNDER CERTAIN OR FOR CERTAIN AGES, UH, THAT WE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE WOULD TRY TO PERHAPS USE EDUCATION AND SIGNAGE TO WHERE, UH, WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO THROTTLE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD SPECIFICALLY SPELL OUT IN WHATEVER ORDINANCE OR SURE.
WHATEVER WE CREATE THAT THEY NO THROTTLE USE.
BUT THEN ALSO MAKE SURE IT'S, AND AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT EDUCATION, BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN GET THESE BIKES ONLINE AND YOU CAN GET 'EM AT COSTCO MM-HMM
SO I, WE'RE GONNA MISS A LOT, UM, THAT WAY.
I MEAN IT'S, THE BIKE SHOPS HAVE THEM TOO, BUT, UH, THEY'RE CHEAPER, YOU KNOW, ONLINE AND AT COSTCO AND I DON'T KNOW IF SAM'S HAS 'EM, BUT UM, SO WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A CITY WE PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, EITHER AT SCHOOLS OR THROUGH WELL I THINK THROUGH THE SCHOOLS.
I WAS JUST SAYING AS AN ATTEND, WE WILL, WILL THAT BE A GOOD, IT WOULD BE GOOD.
ANY OF THE BIKE SHOPS TO, TO AT LEAST BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
I'D LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE VOTES TO GET THAT IN THE ORDINANCE? I THINK THAT I, BECAUSE I VOTE FOR IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, LET'S KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT RIGHT NOW OF HOW MANY OF US AGREE WITH THAT.
DO YOU MEAN THE AGE TO, TO FOR AGE AND CLASS? SHE SAID PUTTING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO TURN THE POWER, WELL NOT THE POWER, BUT THE THROTTLE, THE THROTTLE, THROTTLE, WHATEVER THE RIGHT KIND, A THROTTLE OFF ZONE YEAH.
I, I WOULD THINK ON THAT DON, I THINK THERE SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOOD CONSENSUS FOR THAT APPROACH.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATOR JUST PASSED SO THAT THEY, UM, AND I CAN PRESENT IT TO YOU AS SOON AS IT'S OFFICIALLY SIGNED, BUT THEY PRETTY MUCH GAVE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, HOWEVER, WHICH IS A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE.
SO WHAT I CAN DO, AND I'M HAPPY TO START, UH, ASKING SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WITH WHO ARE SIMILAR, SIMILARLY SITUATED, WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING DOING.
BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD, AND AGAIN, I'LL LOOK AT THE WAY IT'S WORDED TO SEE IF WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT POWER OFF OR PEDAL ASSIST ONLY IN THIS ZONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IN THE PART OF THE CODE WHERE WE DO PERMIT BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS.
SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT ALSO ON, ON THE TRAILS.
I MEAN I THINK WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATE ONE, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT THE MAX SPEED BUT DON'T LOOK AT THE MECHANISM YES MA'AM.
BUT I THINK, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO STRONG AGAINST THE CLASS THREES.
UM, BUT A 6-YEAR-OLD ON CLASS THREE IS NOT GONNA BE GOING 28 MILES AN HOUR.
WE'RE A 6-YEAR-OLD ON THE CO TWO WHEEL BILL 20, I WOULD SAY ON THE PAVE TRAILS.
DAVE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME 'CAUSE YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OF OUR PAVED TRAILS WHERE ANYBODY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PEDAL ASSIST.
PROBABLY THE STEEPEST PAVED TRAIL I CAN THINK OF IN A PARK THAT'S USED A LOT.
IS IT CROCKETT? THE ONE THAT RUNS UP BY THE ROAD UP TO THE, TO THE FOUR-WAY STOP IS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, IT'S NOT VERY LONG, BUT IT'S PRETTY STEEP.
THERE'S A LOT OF STEEP ROVER BY BULL AND SPRINGS.
BUT I'M SPEAKING OF ACTUALLY IN A PARK STEEP AND ON ROAD ROAD HAS BY, THAT'S NOT A LITTLE, THAT'S TRUE.
SO LET US, LET US GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT AND BECAUSE WITH KRISTEN'S EYES ON IT, JIM AWARE ABOUT THIS ONE THAT JUST WANTS TO GO FAST, WHETHER HE NEEDS TO OR NOT.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE APPROACH, BUT IT'S GONNA SOUND LIKE POSSIBLY AN ORDINANCE TWEAK, WHICH IS NOT THAT'S FINE IN SIGNAGE AS IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE INTEGRATED TO OUR SIGNAGE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD CONSENSUS THERE.
SO I WANT, I DO WANNA GET THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS HERE.
BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
SO ANY OTHER E-BIKES OR E MOTORCYCLES, AS WE MENTIONED WHEN WE'RE TALKING THE BICYCLE TYPE THAT WE'RE NOT COVERED HERE ARE GONNA BE ILLEGAL UNLESS THEY'RE PROPERTY LICENSED BY THE STATE UNDER THE STATE'S, UH, AUTHORITY.
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SO OTHER CONSIDERATIONS RECOMMENDING APPLICATION OF THE SAME RIGHT OF RULES, RESPONSIBILITIES AND ADEQUATE EXPECTATIONS TO E-BIKES AND OTHER ELEC, UH, ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION DEVICES OR ETS AS FOR BICYCLES, RIGHT? THAT AGAIN, WE EMPHASIZE THAT NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES AT THIS TIME FOR ALLOW, UH, FOR ALLOWED USE OF PERMITTED E-BIKES AND ETS ON SIDEWALKS AND CORE COMMERCIAL AREAS.I MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS WHAT THE BIKE WALK SPRINGFIELD SAID MAY BE PROHIBIT.
WE SAID WE DON'T RIGHT NOW UNLESS WE SEE ISSUES.
NO, WE JUST FOLLOW THE RULES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT AREA.
UH, NO RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO ALLOWED USE, UH, OF PERMITTED E-BIKES AND ETS ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS, INCLUDING BIKE LANES, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO TENNESSEE LAW.
LET TENNESSEE LAW DO ITS THING.
UNLESS YOU ACCEPT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE THROTTLE DOWN, THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO THAT.
OTHER ETS THESE ARE THINGS LIKE, YOU SEE 'EM ALL THE TIME.
THERE'S ELECTRIC STANDUP SCOOTERS, THERE'S ONE WHEELS, UNICYCLE, SKATEBOARDS, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES.
UM, AND THIS IS ONE YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW, IF THE, IF THE OTHER ETS HAVE SPEEDS AT OR BELOW THE CLASS TWO E-BIKES, TREAT 'EM LIKE THE CLASS TWO ONE AND TWO E-BIKES.
UM, AGAIN, IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY CONSIDERED ILLEGAL UNDER TENNESSEE LAW, WE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO CON CONSIDER THEM ILLEGAL HERE.
WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO HAVING ILLEGAL AND THEY'RE NOT BY TENNESSEE LAW AND THEN CONTINUE TO PROHIBIT YOU.
YOU ALREADY PROHIBIT THE DOCK SYSTEMS IN TOWN.
SO, SO TAKING ALL THOSE OTHER E TRANSPORTATION DEVICES, IF THEY'RE UNDER THE SPEED OR AT OR UNDER THE SPEED OF CLASS TWO, CONSIDER 'EM THAT WAY, UH, AS ALLOWED.
YOU COULD RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT 'EM.
THAT'S AN OPTION TWO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, TO DO, BUT YOU COULD.
I MEAN THERE'S PROBABLY QUITE A FEW OF THOSE OUT THERE, BUT, UH, OUR THOUGHT IS, IS IT'S ABOUT SPEED.
AND LET ME, LET ME, I'LL TALK ABOUT SPEED HERE.
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SO SPEED REDUCTION, EVERYTHING IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS A COMBINATION OF JUDGMENT SOMETIMES BEING BAD AND SPEED.
UH, SPEED CAN EVEN OFFSET GOOD JUDGMENT IF IT'S SO SPEED IS A PRIMARY FACTOR, WE BELIEVE AFFECTING THE SAFETY OF THESE DEVICES.
BUT IT'S, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH NON-LICENSED OPERATORS AND, UH, SOMETIMES OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC ROADWAYS LIKE A, A PARK TRAIL.
UM, SO WE KNOW WE NEED TO HIT SPEED IN THE EDUCATION WE'RE RECOMMENDING WITH SPEED HAVING, WELL, I CALL CAUTIONARY SPEED LIMITS.
IT'D BE AWFULLY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE SOME, YOU COULD SET IT UP PERHAPS HOW YOU TO DO THAT, BUT IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT THAT CAUTIONARY IS EDUCATIONAL AND ACTUALLY HALF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, THEY'RE GONNA THINK THAT'S A RESTRICTED SPEED ANYWAY.
AND HAVING CAUTIONARY SPEED LIMIT OF 15 MILES PER HOUR FOR, FOR ALL THE PERMITTED ON THE MULTI-USE PASS.
UH, MULTI-USE, UH, UH, I HAD THAT PARK MULTI-USE PATHS AND SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA.
SO 15 WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND ANYBODY, NO MORE, UH, CAUTIONARY SPEED NOW ON THE STREET IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
ON THE STREET IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT ON ALL THE OTHER PATHS, 15 IS, IS A MAX CAUTIONARY SPEED OF FIVE MILES PER HOUR FOR PASSING PEDESTRIANS.
WE SAID, WELL WHAT ABOUT 10? 10 IS REALLY FAST WHEN YOU'RE WALKING, YOU HAVE A CHILD BESIDE YOU OR SOMETHING, 10 MILES PER HOUR HAVING SOMEBODY GO PAST YOU.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A CAUTIONARY SPEED OF FIVE MILES PER HOUR FOR PASSING WHEN YOU'RE PASSING PEDESTRIANS.
IS A CAUTIONARY, IS IT SIGN DIFFERENT? IS IT LIKE LISTED AS RECOMMENDED OR IS IT STILL A WHITE AND BLACK SIGN THAT SAYS SPEED LIMIT 15? WE, WE WOULD, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE DESIGN WOULD BE TERM.
I MEAN, IS IT LEGAL WOULDN'T MAKE THEM, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO ACT TRULY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LAW.
I MEAN IT'S NOT, BUT IT WOULD, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY FORMAL AS WELL.
SO IS IT A A LEGAL CLASSIFICATION OR IS IT THAT THAT WOULD, CAUSE IT'S AN ADVISORY SPEECH, CAUTIONARY ADVISORY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT.
BUT AT LEAST AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE OUR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE RIGHT AREAS OF OUR SYSTEMS AND INNER PARKS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNAGE WITH ALL OF THIS.
UH, BUT IT AT LEAST SAYS, OH, OKAY, I KNOW THAT'S WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE.
OKAY, NO MORE THAN 15 OR IF I PASS SOMEBODY FIVE, UH, TO BE SAFE.
AND SO WE THINK CAUTIONARY WOULD BE, OR ADVISORY WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
AND WE, WE COULD, WE'LL WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN, BUT MAKE SURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN AS PART OF NOT JUST EDUCATION, WE DO KNOW THAT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SOME TIME TO, TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO SOME OCCASIONAL MONITORING, MAYBE CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT ARE, UM, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE INVENTORY OF KNOWN ACCIDENTS, FOLLOW CITIZEN COMPLAINTS, ALL THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE ACCIDENTS AND THINGS, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD BASELINE AS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THE IDEA IS, IS CAN WE TRACK ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FIGURE OUT IF WE LOOKED AT IT A YEAR LATER, IS IT WORSE? ARE WE THE SAME? DO WE THINK, DO WE, DO WE THINK IT'S BETTER? TRY TO GET SOME IDEA.
IT'S NOT PERFECT SCIENCE, BUT MONITORING HAS TO BE A PART OF THIS.
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SOME TIME TO MONITOR THESE THINGS AND KEEP TRACK OF THEM.I KNOW THAT CHIEF COLEN SAID THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T GONE UP, BUT I KNOW WEATHER PROBABLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT TO SEE JUST BASED ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE KIDS UP AND OUT AT NIGHT OR IT'S YEAH, THE VOLUME OF, YEAH.
SO I HAVE A FEELING THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA JUMP HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, AGAIN, SPEED LIMITS ON ROADWAYS STILL SUBJECT TO EXISTING TRAFFIC LAWS.
AGAIN, FULL PUBLIC EDUCATION THAT'LL EVOLVE IN TIME.
REALLY PUT TOGETHER AN EDUCATION PLAN AND, AND FOLLOW IT AND, AND WORK WITH THE CONSORTIUM OF OUR SCHOOLS.
HEY, THE SCHOOLS TELL A CHILD WHO IS KIND OF BEING RECKLESS, YOU CAN'T BRING THAT TO SCHOOL ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT TO SCHOOL ANYMORE.
THEY GET CAUGHT, THEY'LL GET IN REAL TROUBLE AT THE SCHOOL.
SO WORKING WITH SCHOOLS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THE CAUTIONARY SPEED, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ORDINANCE ISSUE PROBABLY.
SO, UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
UH, WE COULD, WE'LL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS.
THE, THE, NO, I'LL CALL IT THE NO THROTTLE ZONE FOR LACK OF BETTER PHRASING RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLIED.
UH, HOW DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU RIGHT NOW AS A STARTING POINT? GOOD, GOOD STARTING POINT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT NOW.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO'S COMING FROM IT, AT IT FROM TOTAL IGNORANCE, I MEAN REALLY IT'S, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF MES IN THE COMMUNITY AND THIS IS GOOD.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE OR COSTLY IT IS FOR WATER BILLS, UM, TO, IS IT WHEN WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS RULES OR EDUCATION OR SOMETHING? IS IT, WOULD IT BE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT TO PUT LIKE AN INSERT.
I KNOW IT'S ONE ALLOWED PER BILL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF WE YEAH, IF WE CAN ALREADY ACCOMMODATE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T USE THAT AS AN OPTION.
I THINK YOU USE EVERY OPTION YOU CAN GET TO PEOPLE THAT'S YEAH.
JUST TO UM, TO HELP LIKE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE LIKE SURE.
THIS IS SO THE ATTORNEY GO AROUND, THE ONE WHO MIGHT THROW THAT AWAY MIGHT SEE THE SOCIAL MEDIA, THE ONE THAT WON'T SEE THE SOCIAL MEDIA MIGHT READ THAT ONE.
JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, WE JUST NEED TO PARENTS, I THINK PARENTS, WE, WE'VE GOTTA TARGET THE PARENTS.
SORRY, SPEAK THE 13-YEAR-OLD DAREDEVIL WHO'S SOMETIMES WELL THE SAFETY GUY THAT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE I THINK.
YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE FOR THE USE TO PEAK.
IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER YEAR, IT MIGHT BE UP TO A COUPLE YEARS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WATCH IT AT LEAST CLOSELY FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND SEE, SEE WHAT THAT MEANS TO US.
SEE IF THERE'S ANY TWEAKING ADJUSTMENT.
IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO, TO REALLY GO MORE INTO REGULATING A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT, UH, TO DO THAT.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO, WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
WELL I THOUGHT THE STATISTICS WERE INTERESTING IN THAT LIPSCOMB ONLY HAD ONE COMPARED TO THE OTHERS AND THE, TO THE SCHOOL VIA PATHWAYS IS VERY LIMITED.
I MEAN YOU COME DOWN KNOX VALLEY CUT THROUGH THE LIBRARY AND THE BACK TRAIL AND GO OVER THE BRIDGE TO LIPSCOMB ELEMENTARY.
I IMAGINE YOU'RE RIGHT WHERE THE WHERE THE TRAIL MULTI-USE PATH ACCESS AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT IS AS BEST IS WHERE YOU PROBABLY SEE THE MOST, MOST LIFTS COME DRIVE WOULD NOT BE KEPT FOR 'EM TO CALM DOWN.
BUT PEOPLE COMING, LIKE FROM VICTORY TRAIL, PEOPLE GET ON THE, GET ON THAT PATH CLOSER TO CROCKETT PARK.
I'VE SEEN COME OVER THE BRIDGE AND GET ON THE BIKE TRAIL.
ONE, ONE LAST QUICK THING AND NOT TO ASK FOR MORE WORK FOR THE CALL CENTER OR THE PARTS DEPARTMENT, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO TRACK HOW MANY CALLS WE'RE GETTING ON PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE E-BIKES OR CRAZY WALKERS OR RUNNERS? LIKE, I MEAN, IS THERE, DO WE DO A
I'VE PROBABLY HAD OVER 50 COMPLAINTS ON E-BIKE.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ON ALL THESE OTHER ONE WHEELS, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
SO IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH THEN GOING BACK ON KIM, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO SAY LIKE IT'S BEEN THESE THREE PLACES THAT WE CAN DO A LITTLE MORE SIGNAGE OR TARGETING OR WHATEVER? IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL, I MEAN, MOST OF IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN WHERE YOU HAVE MOST OF THE TRAILS.
NOT A LOT ON THE, THE WEST SIDE.
WE WOULD, WE COULD LOG BACK OVER HERE,
WE WOULD WANNA GO AHEAD AND LOG BACK, POST ANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
AND IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, IF IT'S NOT ANONYMOUS OR SOMETHING, WE CAN'T GET BACK TO 'EM TO TRY TO FIND OUT THE LOCATION.
SO WE CAN TRY TO KIND OF PUT PINS ON THE MAP.
UM, OKAY, WE'RE APPROACHING 11.
WE DID HAVE ON HERE, UM, 2040 PLAN DISCUSSION NOW.
YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY NEXT WEEK VOTE.
AND I'LL, AND I'VE I'VE TODD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSULTANT NOT ONLY GOES THROUGH THE WHATEVER THEY WANNA GO THROUGH WITH YOU, BUT OPENS UP AND SAYS, HEY, UNDER OUR SCOPE, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT, WHAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THEY LOOK AT? SO YOU WILL GET THAT OPPORTUNITY NEXT WEEK.
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I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT.SO RECOGNIZING WE'RE RUNNING INTO YOUR TIME AND WE THOUGHT WE WOULD
SO THE MAYOR HAS A GREAT REMINDER OR I CAN REMIND FOR YOU, OH NO, EVERYONE HAS THESE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT 'EM, THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP LATELY, LIKE OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND ANY KIND OF SALES TAX OR, OR TAX REVENUE RISKS WE HAVE AND HOW TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, THE PLANNING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILS AND CONNECTIVITY AND HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, SO YOU ALL KNOW SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, UM, WHEN JASON AND I WERE DOWN TO THE GREATER NASHVILLE REGIONAL COUNCIL YESTERDAY IS, UH, ROADS AND TRAFFIC AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SO WE WERE TALKING QUITE A BIT ABOUT 65 AND LIKE MOORE'S LANE, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, SPOILER ALERT, TDOT'S GOT NO MONEY.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE THESE, ALL THESE THINGS ARE INTERRELATED, BUT THIS 2040 PROCESS IS A CHANCE FOR US TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AS A COMMUNITY BOTH TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THE FOR REAL ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW, KNOW THE ELECTION YEAR NONSENSE THAT CAN COME UP OR PEOPLE COME UP WITH, UH, ANXIETY INDUCING KIND OF PRETEND ISSUES.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME REAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON AS A COMMUNITY THAT SOMETIMES ARE A LOT MORE TECHNICAL AND A LOT MORE BORING, BUT REALLY IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS AS A, AS A COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT A SENSIBLE PROBLEM SOLVING APPROACH.
WELL, GOOD EXAMPLE THIS MORNING TRYING TO GET THE BRIEFING.
I LEFT PLENTY EARLY BECAUSE I HAD TO RUN A COUPLE ERRANDS BEFORE I CAME IN.
BUT WHERE THERE WAS A WRECK AT THE 24 40 SPLIT, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT ON SUNSET, YOU, I CAN ALWAYS TELL, I I HAD ALREADY HEARD IT ON THE NEWS, I YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO TOLD ME MM-HMM
BUT EVERYBODY THAT USUALLY GOES 24 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT'S A PARKING LOT ANYWAY, BUT IT REALLY IS A PARKING LOT IF THERE'S A WRECK AT THE 24 40 SPLIT.
SO THEY ALL COME CONCORD ROAD AND HOW YOU CAN TELL IS SUNSET A LOT OF TIMES BACKS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE HILL BEFORE THE LIGHT CHANGES.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE CARS WILL GET THROUGH AND ON CONCORD ROAD IF THERE'S A CLEAR PATH TO GET ON THERE.
AND UH, WHEN I CAME, I GUESS IT WAS PROBABLY EIGHT O'CLOCK AND IT WAS ONLY LIKE FOUR CARS.
AND OF COURSE I'VE ALREADY FIGURED OUT WHEN I SEE IT JUST KIND OF SETTING ON CONCORD AND OF COURSE I'LL GO STRAIGHT ACROSS SUNSET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORK MY WAY AROUND TO EDMONDSON AND COME THAT WAY.
BUT MARIE TEXTS ME
AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE REGIONAL THINGS AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN YEAH ISSUE AND IT'S NOT A LOT OF PER SE BRENTWOODS MAKING, BUT THEY WERE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.
SO LIKE THE, THE THE LANE WHERE YOU CAN PAY TO GO FASTER, THOSE DO HELP.
I KNOW THEY, THEY HELP FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PAY LIKE IN ATLANTA.
UM, BUT UM, THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS ARE VERY, VERY GOOD.
SO, SO JUST AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE 2040 PLAN WAS SORT OF THINGS WE WANNA HAVE AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVING OUR INITIAL MEETING SO WE CAN KINDA GET ON THE RADAR TO TALK THROUGH MM-HMM
ALSO WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW I WAS CONTACTED BY THE CRUSH YARDS FOLKS AND THEIR PLANNING ON THEIR GRAND OPENING ON APRIL 25TH.
UH, CRUSH YARDS, THE PICKLEBALL FOLKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED, BUT WELL, I, I DIDN'T KNOW.
THEY'RE HAVING COMMERCIALS AND STUFF ON THE NEWS CHANNEL.
SO THEY, THEY ASKED ME TO JUST TELL YOU ALL SO YOU CAN KIND OF PENCIL IN APRIL, UH, APRIL 25TH IS WHEN THEY'RE, SAY THEY'RE, THEY ALSO ADVERTISING IF YOU WANT A FRANCHISE, YOU CAN BUY A FRANCHISE.
SO IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO START THEIR OWN PICKLEBALL.
THERE'S YOUR RETIREMENT PLAN, JASON
I THINK REGIONAL ROADWAYS ARE IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR PRIORITY.
WE ONLY CONTROL SO MUCH OF THAT.
AND ON 2040 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.
AND I KNOW I THINK BACK TO, I THINK WE ALL GOT AN EMAIL LATELY SAYING, OH YOU ALL SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A BIKE PATH FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE.
WELL WE PROMISED THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
AND, AND I DO THINK THAT'S SHOULD CERTAINLY BE A PRIORITY HERE.
IT'S HARD, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET EASIER BY NOT LOOKING AT THINGS.
BUT I WANNA FOCUS ON STUFF WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.
SO LIKE OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT MM-HMM
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN MARYLAND FARMS MM-HMM
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WHY I LIKE BEING A LOCAL PERSON 'CAUSE WE CAN DO SOME STUFF.AND I WASN'T TRYING TO SAY WE TAKE OVER FOR TDOT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT OUR PEOPLE ORGANIZING THIS FOR US THINKING THAT THAT'S, UH, ONE OF MY PRIORITIES 'CAUSE IT'S DOWN ON THE, THE POLE BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL IT SO MUCH.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CONSULTANT AS PART OF THAT TO HEAR WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU.
I CAN TRANSFER WHAT I'VE HEARD, BUT I WON'T BE ABLE TO GIVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM YOU WITHIN THAT SCOPE WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU.
AND THEY'LL TAKE THOSE NOTES AND AND THEN THAT'LL BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THEM.
WE'RE SO RELUCTANT TO SPEAK UP
BLOCKED OUT LIKE THE WHOLE DAY THAT DAY.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE THIS GROUP BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT RIGHT WITHOUT OFFENDING EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE SHARE OUR THOUGHTS AND, AND COME TO SOME CONSENSUS.
YOU JUST SUCH NICE PEOPLE
I WAS GONNA SAY THE MCKEEN PROJECT, JUST SO I KNOW WHEN I START LOOKING AT ALL THIS AGAIN RELOOK, I DID HAVE LOOKED ONCE GOING INTO NEXT, NEXT THURSDAY IS THE MONEY FOR THE MCEWEN NOW THAT THIS FRANKLIN'S WORKING THEIRS AND, AND WE'RE KIND OF INTO THE PART WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR YEARS.
UM, IS MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR THAT? MM-HMM
SO WHEN IT GETS TIME, AND WE'RE STILL A LITTLE WAYS OUT ON THE BIDDING OF THE PROJECT TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE WITHIN BUDGET, THAT COULD BE A DECISION IF IT'S HIGHER.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO REINVENT FOR THE 2040 PLAN.
LIKE IT'S ALREADY, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT FOR THE 2040 WILL, WE'RE DOING OUR TRANSIT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT FOR THE COUNTY ELECTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP BECAUSE WE NEED THE COUNTY TO CARRY THIS THROUGH ALONG WITH THE OTHER CITIES TO GET IT RIGHT PAST BRENTWOOD.
AND THEN THE CONSULTANT WILL LOOK AT ALL OF YOUR CURRENT PLANS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
BUT WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING IT IN THERE.
IT'S ALREADY IN THERE, BUT IT WILL AFFECT OTHER THINGS THAT WE MAY WANT TO SEE DONE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER EAST WEST CORRIDOR AT LEAST TO A PORTION OF, OF, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
SO HOPEFULLY IT CONTINUES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
TONIGHT WE'VE GOT THE ASSISTANCE POLICE ACADEMY.
I'VE GOT A CONFLICT, UH, CHURCH DESK.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SOME, SOME FOLKS WOULD BE THERE.
WHAT TIME DOES IT START AT THE POLICE? SIX SIX.
SIX O'CLOCK AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
AND IF Y'ALL COULD GIVE THEM MY BEST, IF YOU'RE THERE, I HATE TO MISS IT.
UH, IT'S A GREAT KICKOFF, BUT, UH, I'M ALREADY ME AS WELL.
I'M INVITED TO OUR THREE HOUR HISTORIC PLANNING MEETING TONIGHT.
SO YOU WON'T BE AT THE POLICE ACADEMY? YOU WON'T BE AT THE POLICE ACADEMY EITHER THEN.
OKAY, I'LL GO, I'LL GO LATE TO THE FIRE.
I'M GONNA FIRE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW.
GREAT DISCUSSION THIS MORNING.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED ON THE E-BIKES.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING ABLE TO TALK TO SOMEBODY'S MEETING IN HERE TONIGHT.
I WAS EVEN WELL PREPARED, I THOUGHT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT BECAUSE I, YEAH, OCTOBER 23RD AND JANUARY 8TH.
I'M NOT ALWAYS THAT WAY, BUT I WAS.