* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] SIDE ABOUT THE WEATHER. [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing January 22, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the January 26th Agendas, the items below will be discussed: Gateway Signage - Phase 2 Discussion of Elected Officials Dinner Survey Results Veterans Monument Follow-up Discussion Follow-up discussion on E-bikes This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.] SO AS WE, AS WE GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY, PROBABLY TOMORROW WE'LL START SHARING THAT INFORMATION. I THINK YOU'RE USED TO SEEING THAT. SO WE'LL DO THAT. UH, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'LL BE THOUGH, UH, KEEPS CHANGING. I'M, I'M HOPING, I TOLD HIM I'LL TRADE A, I'LL TAKE A FOOT OF SNOW OVER A QUARTER INCH ICE ANY DAY, SO I'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT. BUT, UH, UH, DALE, HE'S, I, I, I TOLD HIM, I SAID, YOU MUST HAVE NOT SEEN IN YOUR APPOINTMENT LETTER, WE WERE GONNA THROW A ICY SNOW MIX, YOU KNOW, UH, MAJOR STORM FOR YOUR FIRST STORM. BUT, UH, THEY'RE PREPARED AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE, AND THE HARDEST ONES ARE THE ONES THAT START WITH RAIN, AND THEN THEY TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE. AND THEN IF YOU THROW AN ICE, OR ESPECIALLY ICE AND THEN SNOW, IT GET REALLY COMPLICATED TO DEAL WITH. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO PLAY BY EAR TO FIND BLOOD ON THAT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION. UH, ON A POSITIVE NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE, UH, THAT WE HAVE MADE AN EMPLOYMENT TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR POSITION, AND THAT IS TO OUR ASSISTANT, CURRENTLY ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR JULIE WILSON. SO THAT'S EFFECTIVE. THE 26. WE'RE EXCITED TO DO THAT. SHE'S WORKED WITH US FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. JULIE IS A, IS A CPA AND A CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL FINANCE OFFICER. SO SHE HAS A GREAT BALANCE THERE. UH, HAS WORKED ALSO FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, AND ALSO FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE. AND SO A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THERE AND OVER FIVE YEARS WITH US, SHE KNOWS OUR, SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT WE DO HERE. SO THE LEARNING CURVE IS A LOT DIFFERENT, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO MAKE THAT, UH, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT. THIS IS LIKE CAUGHT OFF THE PRESS. I, I HAD AN EMAIL READY TO SEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS WORKED OUT, BUT THIS WORKED OUT JUST FINE. SO, UH, OTHER THAN HER EMPLOYEES THIS MORNING, SO THEY KNOW YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE NEXT ONES TO KNOW. AND THEN WE'LL SEND SOMETHING OUT TO THE REST OF THE FOLKS LATER. GREAT. SO WHEN GOES UP ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UH, WELL, AS CHARLES HEARD IT, RIGHT, I HEARD. YEAH. SO BE PRETTY SOON. SHE'S WORKING ON IT. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, SINCE SHE IS FAMILIAR, UH, WE WERE GONNA HAVE KAREN BREAK A NEW PERSON IN. UM, DOES JULIE NEED ANY BREAKING IN? I MEAN, IS KAREN GONNA STAY ? IT DOESN'T SOUND NO TRAINING. I, BY KAREN, IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT IF I SAY SHE'S ALREADY BROKEN . I THINK IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BEST RESPONSE I HAVE. SO, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S READY TO GO. AND THEN, SO WE'LL START FOCUSING. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION ON HIRING THE, UH, BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR THAT YOU AUTHORIZE. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. AND NOW WE'LL FOCUS IN ON, ON FILLING, UH, JULIE'S POSITION OF ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION BASICALLY IS, IS KAREN PLANNING TO STAY AS SHE WAS GRACIOUSLY GIVING US SOME MORE TIME? ARE YOU OUT THE DOOR LIKE TOMORROW, KAREN? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. SHE'LL, WILL YOU LET US THROUGH BUDGET AND WE'LL ALL KIND OF LEARN THAT TOGETHER AND, AND I THINK IT'LL BE, IT'D BE REALLY GOOD, GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US, SO CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW THAT. OKAY. UH, HITTING OUR AGENDA, YOU WILL HAVE, UM, AS YOU SEE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, UH, DISTRICT MEETING, UM, AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT NORMALLY IS. YOU HAVE, UH, A FINANCIAL REPORT AND THEN JUST UPDATE, UH, FROM A DIRECTOR. AND, UH, JUST THE SHORT OF THE FINANCIALS, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE EACH MEETING. THE, UH, REVENUES ARE JUST A TOUCH. LOWER EXPENSES ARE A TOUCH HIGHER AND NOTHING OF CONCERN. JUST, UH, WE'RE HITTING OUR TARGETS. YOU CAN SEE VARIANCES LIKE THAT. SO ON THE REVENUES, YOU'LL SEE THE SLIGHT REDUCTION ARE THE NON-PRIMARY TYPE REVENUES AND NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT THERE. AND THE EXPENSES ARE MORE ABOUT THE TIMING OF, UH, CERTAIN ROUTINE EXPENSES. SO WE'RE ON TARGET THERE. UH, REALLY NO ISSUES WITH THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. SO, UH, FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING AGENDA, WE, UH, WILL HAVE HERE. ALRIGHT. UM, IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE YET. YEAH, THERE IT IS. UM, UH, I SHOULD KNOW HOLLY ALWAYS GETS THIS RIGHT, , UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU, SOME OF YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT WE WILL HAVE SOME OF THE STUDENTS FROM BRENTWOOD HIGH AND THEY'LL SHOW THE EEC VIDEO. WE'LL SHOW THAT PRESENTATION AND, UH, YOU'LL, SO YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT, AND THEY'LL GET A CHANCE TO BE HERE WITH YOU. SO WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED TO GET THEM DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. UH, GETTING INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, UH, I THINK MOST OF THESE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE FIRST ITEM, UH, IS ACCEPTING STREETS, THEN CITY LIMITS. AND THESE ARE STREETS THAT WERE, UH, CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE, UH, FULLY CONSTRUCTED, INSPECTED, AND READY FOR YOU TO ACCEPT AS PUBLIC STREETS IN THE CITY. AND PRIMARILY LOOK AT THE, THE LIST THERE. THEY'RE OUT OF, UH, SEA, UH, BROAD OAK SUBDIVISION, AND THEN A VARIETY OF PHASES OF, UH, ROSEBURG. AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES IN THE, THAT ARE READY TO GO. SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE ON YOUR AGENDA. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD [00:05:04] IN ITEM TWO IS AN AMENDMENT, UH, WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH STV. AND WE'LL HAVE THEM SPEAK HERE AT THE, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SHOW YOU SOME SLIDES AND TALK ABOUT THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE PHASE TWO. BUT IT'S AN AGREEMENT FOR PHASE TWO. AND IN ESSENCE, THAT'S THE DESIGN SIDE WHERE THEY'LL DESIGN THE SIGNS. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE SITES, UH, INDICATED HERE. UH, ONE IS THE SOUTHBOUND EXIT RAMP OF INTERSTATE 65 IN CONCORD, AND THE OTHER IS ALONG THE OUTSIDE SHOULDER OF THE NORTHBOUND WILSON PIKE, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT A HALF MILE SOUTH OF SPLIT LOG ROAD. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, SIGNS TO START WITH FIRST. AND THEY'LL, THE SERVICES ARE TO DESIGN THOSE. AND SO THEY, THEY HAVE SOME SLIDES, AS I MENTIONED, AS, AS WE, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE AGENDA HERE, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THAT AND HAVE THEM SHOW YOU THOSE. UM, BUT AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP OF SERVICES FOR YOUR GATEWAY SIGNS. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? CONSENT ITEM THREE, UH, IS AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE POLICY. UM, AND SO, UM, WHAT THIS IS IS THAT KIND OF THE BACKGROUND, AS YOU KNOW, UH, AI IS, IS SORT OF BECOMING INTEGRATED. YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. AND, UH, WE'RE NOT AS AN ORGANIZATION DEEP INTO IT AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY. THE POLICY IS REALLY THE GUARDRAILS WHERE AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT APPLICATIONS, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT EVENTUALLY AND SO FORTH, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE AND, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY STRONG IT SUPPORT. AND SO, UH, THIS, THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD POLICY THAT SETS FORTH GUARD, GUARDRAILS, ETHICAL ASPECTS, UH, ROLES, UH, OF INDIVIDUALS IN THAT PROCESS. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, AS, LET'S SEE HERE, THE, WHAT A, WHAT AN AI SYSTEM IS, TYPES OF SYSTEMS, UH, CERTAIN ACTIVITIES, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, HUMAN-CENTERED DESIGN, SECURITY, SAFETY, PRIVACY, TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, EFFECTIVENESS OF WORKFORCE EMPOWERMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE TOO IS, IS BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT AI FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT NOW, IT'S, IT'S STARTING TO BE INTEGRATED IN EVEN SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT HOME HERE, WHETHER IT'S AN OFFICE PRODUCT OR SOMETHING. YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE AT LEAST THE ABILITY TO USE AND, AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE AN ALEXIS, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE TALKING TO ALEXIS AT HOME OR EVEN ON YOUR PHONES, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO AN AI TYPE SYSTEM. AND SO, UH, SO THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THOUGH IS, IS WE WILL SEE AS IT DEVELOPS MORE INTEGRATION WITH THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE USE ON A DAILY BASIS TO HELP US BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT. AND THAT'S ALL WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IS HOW DO WE BECOME, HOW DO WE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS, BE MORE EFFECTIVE, BE MORE EFFICIENT, AND NOT TAKE THE HUMAN OUT OF IT. SO, SO, UH, MY PERSPECTIVE IS, IS I, I DO NOT HAVE . I I TRUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT AI CAN DO, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE, BUT I'M NOT ONE THAT SAYS, WELL, LET'S JUST LET AI TAKE THE PROCESS FROM BEGINNING TO END, MAKE THE DECISION, SEND THE RESPONSE, AND WE DON'T LOOK AT IT. NOW, IT CAN HELP YOU EVALUATE AND ANALYZE, AND THEN, BUT THEN I WANT HUMANIZE ON IT. JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO, MAKE SURE WE TAKE A LOOK, MAKE SURE WE HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE APPROACH AND SO FORTH. AND SO WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE GONNA BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE AS THEY, UH, EVOLVE, UH, FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. UH, AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE NOT GONNA JUMP IN HEAD FIRST TOO, TOO QUICK EITHER. WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE PRETTY THOROUGHLY, BUT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT YOU NEED TO DO WHEN YOU'RE BEGIN THINKING ABOUT THAT IS WE NEED TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS POLICY IN PLACE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AND YEAH, UH, JAY SENT US SOMETHING ON THE HISTORIC BOARD RECENTLY, AND IT WAS REAL INTERESTING AND IT'S GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT OUR PLANNING MEETING. AND HE, IT HAD ON IT, THIS IS A GENERATED WHAT THE PICTURES AND STUFF HE SENT. AND I APPRECIATED KNOWING THAT. YES. BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WELL, TWO OF THOSE THINGS MIGHT WORK REAL WELL, BUT THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE COULD KILL THEMSELVES ALL, YOU KNOW, SITTING OUT LIKE THAT LITTLE KIDS COULD. AND SO I THOUGHT, OKAY, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WAS AI GENERATED, BUT WILL WE BE TOLD THAT OKAY. BECAUSE I LIKE THAT HE HAD THAT INCLUDED. YEAH. IT COULD BE, COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A, AS A PICTURE WHERE IT'S GENERATED, OR IT COULD BE, UH, A SERVICE PROCESS, MAYBE AN ONLINE TRANSACTION OR, OR ABILITY TO SEARCH FOR INFORMATION. AND IT COMES BACK AND AI HELPS, GOES TO OUR RESOURCES, RIGHT? ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN EMPHASIZED IS OUR RESOURCES NOT JUMPING OUT IN THE INTERNET AND FINDING THINGS, BUT OUR RESOURCES. AND EVENTUALLY WE MAY HAVE THAT WHERE IT PULLS FROM OUR CODES, OUR ORDINANCES, OUR CONTRACTS, IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. BUT IF IT'S HELPING DO THAT, YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW ON THE USER SIDE. AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S AN AI AND WHATEVER THAT VERBIAGE WILL BE, SO YOU'LL KNOW THAT YEAH. MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. AND WE WANNA BE, AND THAT'S PART OF THE ETHICAL SIDE OF IT, IS TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH IT AS WELL. SO YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL GETTING IN FRONT OF THIS. AND IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BEFORE, YOU MENTIONED THE POSSIBLE IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC [00:10:01] RECORDS AND MM-HMM . YOU KNOW HOW ALL THAT STUFF WORKS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL THOROUGHLY THINKING THROUGH THIS. AND UM, AND THEN YOUR POINT ABOUT HAVING TO DOUBLE CHECK IT, IT'S A POINT WELL MADE , AND, AND YOU NEED TO REALLY KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU KNOW, I I TEND TO USE THIS A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK TO ANALYZE BIG DOCUMENTS AND SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HANDY AND SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY OFF BASE. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. AND IT HELPS TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CHECK IT OUT, AGNOSTICS VEHICLES, JUST LIKE THAT. A LOT OF 'EM PROMOTE THE AI, BUT IT, SOME OF IT'S GOOD, BUT SOME OF IT'S USED FOR MAYBE THINGS TO TEST IN THE SYSTEM. YEAH. THAT DON'T, DON'T DEPEND ON THE . I'LL GIVE YOU A STARTING PLACE. RIGHT. NOT AN END. EXACTLY. AND SO, TALK, SPEAKING ABOUT RECORDS IN TENNESSEE, AS YOU KNOW, MOST RECORDS ARE OPEN MORE SO THAN A LOT OF OTHER STATES I'VE BEEN IN. UH, BUT WE, THERE ARE STILL CERTAIN TYPES OF DATA AND RECORDS THAT ARE CLOSED, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE NOT ALL THE LAWS, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TENNESSEE'S AT YET, BUT NOT ALL THE LAWS ARE CAUGHT UP WITH THE CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY. SO WE DON'T WANNA, AND, AND IF YOU GO TO AI, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TAKING INFORMATION, YOU'RE SHIPPING IT OUT SOMEWHERE. WE CALL IT THE CLOUD. IT'S A DATA DATA CENTER SOMEWHERE, AND IT'S OUTTA YOUR HANDS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. IT DOES SOMETHING WITH IT AND THEN IT BRINGS IT BACK AND THEN YOU USE IT. THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT AND, AND, AND WORK WITH, UH, KRISTEN. MAKE SURE WHEN UNDERSTAND THE LAWS AND THE APPLICABILITY AND, AND IDEALLY WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T EVEN BRING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION INTO THAT, BUT AT SOME POINT, IF WE KNOW IT'S PROTECTED, THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO INADVERTENTLY TAKE PROTECTED INFORMATION, KICK IT OUT, GET A REQUEST LATER, AND HAVE TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION THAT SHOULD OTHERWISE BE PROTECTED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY TRACKING ON AS WELL. WE, WE REFER TO IN HERE THE CHIEF AI OFFICER, DO WE HAVE A, IS THAT IT'LL BE ASSIGNED. YEAH. IT'S A GENERIC TITLE HERE, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE MORE, MORE WILL FALL ON THAT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND IN THE FUTURE AND WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. YEP. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. AN AWFUL JOB. . IT MIGHT BE. WELL, I HOPE NOT TOO AWFUL. NEVER WANT TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE WORST JOB IN THE CITY WOULD BE AN INTERNAL AUDITOR. 'CAUSE NO ONE WILL LIKE YOU . RIGHT. DECIDED FOR AN AI . ALRIGHT, CONSENT ITEM FOUR. UH, ADOPT REVISIONS TO OUR PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS. AND THIS COMES RIGHT OUT OF YOUR LAST BRIEFING MEETING, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, AUTHORIZATION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL ON THE POLICE, UH, SIDE AND OUR DISPATCH SIDE FOR EVENING AND MIDNIGHT SHIFT AND THE TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCE CHANGES AND ALSO, UH, THE, UH, ADDITION OF GOOD FRIDAY AND VETERANS DAY. SO THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC ITEMS. I THINK YOUR PACKET'S A LITTLE HEAVIER, I THINK NEXT TIME WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU JUST GET THE PAGES RELEVANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND YEAH, THIS IS A, IT JUST KINDA SHOWS WE, WE SHOW IT IN A, AS A TWO WEEK PAY PERIOD THING. THAT'S HOW IT'S CALCULATED. BUT IT'S THE SAME NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TIME. UH, CONSENT ITEM FIVE, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED. THIS IS AGREEMENT WITH PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGIES FOR ASPHALT REJUVENATION. AND THIS IS A TYPICAL ITEM. UH, LAST TIME WE DID, WE ONLY HAD ONE BIDDER, BUT WE, WE WERE REALLY HAPPY WITH THEM. WE'VE USED THEM FOR THREE YEARS. AND, UH, UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT REJUVENATION IS, IT, IT REALLY, IT, IT, IT HELPS PRESERVE AND EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE ASPHALT FROM FIVE TO 10 ADDITIONAL YEARS. UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GET, UH, BASICALLY DRY AND, AND AND IT HELPS KIND OF FILL IN ALL OF THAT AND, UH, KEEPS IT IN GOOD SHAPE, KEEPS IT FLEXIBLE. AND SO, UH, IT'S WORK WELL FOR US. UM, IT'S, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, AWARDING THE, UH, APPLICATION CONTRACT TO PAYMENT TECHNOLOGY FOR UP TO 104,000 SQUARE YARDS PAYMENT AT A, A A DOLLAR 25 FOR, UH, THIS UPCOMING YEAR NOT TO EXCEED $130,000 AND THEN UP TO 110,000 SQUARE YARDS OF PAYMENT AT A DOLLAR 27 PER YARD FOR 27. THAT'S ONLY 1.6 INCREASE FROM 26 TO 27. SO WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY REASONABLE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO YEARS. SO IT'S JUST, UH, THIS WILL BE AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT AS PART OF OUR TYPICAL ROUTINE MAINTENANCE SIX, UH, PURCHASE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. UH, THIS, THESE ARE JUST COATS AND PANTS. 10 SETS OF TURNOUT GEAR, JUST COATS AND PANTS, NOT BOOTS, HELMETS OR ANYTHING ELSE. AGAIN, TYPICAL REPLACEMENT, UH, ACCORDING TO THE NFPA STANDARDS, THESE HAVE A 10 YEAR LIFESPAN. I'M NOT A REAL FAN WHEN THE ORGANIZATION SETS THAT AND THEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO CHANGE 'EM OUT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. UM, AND THIS WILL BE PURCHASED, THIS IS A TOTAL OF $41,600 PURCHASED THROUGH THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL PURCHASING CLAUSE. SO AGAIN, VERY ROUTINE ITEM THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IONS ON THAT. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS WE'RE AWARE OF. SO UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE HAVE, UH, ONE ITEM AND IT'S, UH, IT'S, THIS GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE, UH, UH, [00:15:01] CONVERSATIONS. WE HAD, I THINK THREE NOW TO RE TO REPEAL THE PREVIOUS SPEED HUMP TRAFFIC CALMING POLICIES AND ADOPT A COMBINED TRAFFIC CALMING AND SPEED HUMP POLICY. SO IT WON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME 'CAUSE WE DID LAST TIME. BUT JUST TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS, AGAIN, IT'LL COMBINE INTO ONE POLICY. IT WILL, THE POLICY WILL, EVEN THOUGH IT DID, IT'LL CLAR A LOT. THESE ARE CLARIFICATIONS MORE SO THAN CHANGES. CLARIFY THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO PUBLIC STREETS. WE DON'T GOVERN THE, THE PRIVATE STREETS. NOW, IF A SUBDIVISION WITH PRIVATE STREETS WANTS TO UTILIZE IT FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT, I GUESS, UH, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM. UM, CLARIFIES THAT THE MINIMUM SEPARATION BETWEEN TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES OR SPEED HUMPS IS 300 FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 600 FEET. THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. CLARIFIES THAT SEPARATE VOTES ARE REQUIRED, UH, FOR EACH IMPROVEMENT. SO IF THERE ARE THREE SPEED TABLES OR SPEED HUMPS, YOU LOOK AT THOSE VOTES WITHIN THE DISTANCE OF EACH, EACH OF THOSE. UM, AND THEN, AND THOSE NEED TO CARRY. AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU CAN DO NO FEWER THAN TWO. 'CAUSE ONE BY ITSELF RARELY HAS THE IMPACT THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE AND CAN CREATE OTHER ISSUES. AGAIN, SIMILAR PRACTICE WE'VE HAD BEFORE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY FOR THAT. WE DID INCLUDE THE CHANGE AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW OR PRIOR AN HOA COULD JUST TRIGGER THE, THE BEGINNING PROCESS. UH, AND IF THERE'S NO HOA, YOUR RESIDENTS COULD, BUT NOW IF, IF THE HOA IS GIVEN A WRITTEN REQUEST BY THE RESIDENTS AND EITHER SAY NO OR THEY SIT ON IT FOR MORE THAN 90 DAYS, THE RESIDENTS CAN STILL DO IT. SO THE HOA ISN'T THE SOLE DETERMIN, UH, DETERMINER, UH, IN A, WITH THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS AN HOA, THE RESIDENTS CAN STILL DO IT. IF THE HOA DOESN'T WANT TO SITS ON IT, UH, THAT WAS A CHANGE OF REQUESTED. IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE VOTES, UH, UH, ON THOSE IN THE DISTANCE FROM THE IMPROVEMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE VOTING, UH, FOR THAT, IT'S, UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT INITIALLY 50% FOR THE INITIAL PROCESS, NOT THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT VOTE. UH, WITHIN 600 FEET, WHICH USED TO BE A THOUSAND FEET, IT'S NOW 600 FEET OF THE PROPOSED DEVICE, UH, OR THE HUMP. UH, AND THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S AN, THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE YOU ARE WITHIN A STOP SIGN AND OTHER THINGS THAT COULD AFFECT THE TRAFFIC AS WELL. UM, LET'S SEE. IN THIS CASE, UH, HISTORICALLY WE WOULD PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ON THE PETITIONS. THE HOA WOULD SEND THEM OUT, WE WOULD COLLECT THEM, AND THEN THEM, IN THIS CASE, IT MAKES SENSE. THERE'S ONLY ONE STEP LEFT, WHICH IS TO SEND THEM OUT. SO WE FELT LIKE, AND INCLUDE IN HERE THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY HANDLE THE FULL PETITION PROCESS. AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'LL INCLUDE THE TWO MAILINGS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D ASK FOR TO TRY TO, UH, INCREASE THE, UH, PARTICIPATION AND RESPONSE RATE IF WE CAN. SO WE'LL INCLUDE TWO MAILINGS. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. UH, THE, UH, WE CHANGE, UH, CHANGE THAT WE DO HAVE IS THAT THE INITIAL VOTING TIMEFRAME WHEN YOU'RE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS IS 45 DAYS INSTEAD OF 30. UH, THAT PART, THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT COMES FROM A CONVERSATION BEFORE. UH, AND IT SOMETIMES WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO DO THIS, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME EDUCATION THEY WANT TO HAVE WITH THEIR, UH, WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, GOOD OR BAD, RIGHT? WHETHER THEY'VE SUPPORTED OR NOT, IT ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO RAMP UP AND PREPARE FOR THAT. AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE, UH, HISTORICALLY, RARELY, BUT WE HAVE ALLOWED AN EXTENSION FOR UP TO 30 DAYS IF WE FELT IT'S NECESSARY. AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN IN PRACTICE, THIS JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WRITTEN AT THERE CAN BE AN EXTENSION OF 30 DAYS AS WELL. OKAY. UM, IF, UH, ANOTHER A CHANGE THAT'S HERE IS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN, UH, ONE REQUEST EVERY 24 MONTHS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE. UM, AND LIKE, IS THAT FOR THE SAME SPOT OR CAN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I, I THINK, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, YOU'LL, I WOULD SAY GENERALLY THE SAME SPOT AND WE'LL HAVE TO APPLY SOME JUDGMENT, BUT GENERALLY THE SAME SPOT. 'CAUSE I COULD SEE IT VERY LITTLE, BUT IF IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA, I WOULD THINK THAT WE'D LOOK AT THAT AS A SEPARATE REQUEST. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO, THAT MAKES, PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE. IT SAYS, IT SAYS SAME OR SIMILAR, BUT THAT WAS SAME OR SIMILAR. THAT ACTUALLY WENT BACK. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER THREE. UNDER, UH, THE THINK THAT THAT SEPARATE VOTES REQUIRED FOR EACH IMPROVEMENT, DOES THAT MEAN EACH OF THE TWO HUMPS OR EACH SET OF REQUESTS FOR IMPROVEMENT? E EACH OF THE, IN THIS CASE, THAT'S THE VOTE FOR THE HUMPS. SO LET'S SAY THEY'RE HUMPSTER SPEED TABLES. LET'S SAY THERE ARE TWO. UM, YOU WILL LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FROM EACH OF THE TWO. IT'S A, IT'S, WE SAY SEPARATE BOATS, IT'S A VOTE THAT HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME. BUT WE TALLY FROM THOSE WITHIN A DISTANCE OF EACH OF THOSE AND BOTH HAVE TO CARRY. SO BASICALLY, SO IT'S NOT ALL OR NOTHING. ONE WAS REALLY POPULAR AND ONE'S REALLY NOT. YOU CAN FIND OUT. YEAH. AND IF THERE ARE THREE AND TWO CARRIE, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IF THEY MAKE SENSE. THE, THE ONLY LIMITATION IS WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE ONE BY ITSELF MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN IT. MM-HMM . SO, SO IF IT'S TWO, IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF EACH IMPROVEMENT, IT, IT, YOU'RE DEFINING THE PEOPLE THAT GET TO VOTE AS OPPOSED TO THE FACT, [00:20:01] 'CAUSE IF ONE PASSES AND ONE DOESN'T, YOU WOULDN'T PUT JUST ONE IN. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO WOULD THAT BE PRETTY CLEAR TO PEOPLE AS I THINK SO WE, WE CLARIFIED IT HERE AND IT'S BEEN IN PAST PRACTICE THAT WAY AS WELL. OKAY. SO I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK, I MEAN, CAN'T SAY PAST PRACTICE HAS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT EACH TIME, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, IF, IF IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATED TYPE THING, THERE'S SIX, KEEP IN MIND, IF IT'S AN HOA, THE HOA PAYS US THAT, THAT TRANSACTION OF PAYMENTS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF IT'S RESIDENT, JUST RESIDENTS, THEY, THERE'S A COLLECTION PROCESS ON THERE AND THEY HAVE TO, THAT WE HAVE TO, THAT THEY HAVE, WE COLLECT FROM, RIGHT? SO WE BASICALLY SAID, UH, AND THAT'S A TWO THIRDS, UH, VOTE FOR, FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT OUR TWO THIRDS COST SHARE, I SHOULD SAY TWO THIRDS COST SHARE. AND, UM, THAT'S FOR THE, WHAT WE CALL THE TYPE TWO, WHICH ARE LIKE THE TABLES MOSTLY. IF IT'S A HUMPS, UH, I'M SORRY, I GOT THAT REVERSED. IF IT'S, UH, A, UH, SPEED HUMP, UH, IT IS, UH, A TWO THIRDS COST SHARE. IF IT'S A TABLE, IT'S A FULL CITY COST IS HOW WE'VE DONE THAT HISTORICALLY. PRIMARILY BECAUSE A TABLE'S ONLY ALLOWED ON A, ON A COLLECTOR TYPE STREET. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIGGER PUBLIC IMPACT. I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE JUSTIFICATION, THEREFORE WE WOULD FUND IT FULLY. WHEREAS IF IT'S A HUMP, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A COST SHARING ANYWAY. IF THERE'S A COST SHARING, THE COST WOULD NEED TO BE RECEIVED WITHIN SIX MONTHS. UH, OR IT EXPIRES IN ESSENCE. SO IT DOESN'T HANG OUT FOREVER. WE FEEL SIX MONTHS IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TIME FOR RESIDENTS TO GET TO COLLECT THE DOLLARS AND GET THEM TO US SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S COST SHARING. THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE YOU'VE WORKED WITH ON THIS. DO YOU EXPECT THERE'S GONNA BE TWO OR THREE PETITIONS THAT COME FORWARD PRETTY SOON ON THESE? UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE. UM, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. I KNOW, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IN BEL RIE IT WAS VERY CLOSE. UH, WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, AT LEAST I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS APPROVED AND MAYBE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WERE TWO OR THREE, BUT ANYWAY, ONE, AT LEAST ONE FAILED. UM, SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY THEY MAY TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY JUST SET UP TO GO. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY JAY THAT MIGHT? UM, I DON'T CONSIDER, UH, THEY ARE STILL UNDER THEIR ONE YEAR, SO IT'S THIS SUMMER. THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE, I'M SURE THEY'LL TAKE ANOTHER RUN AT IT AND, UH, IT'LL BE UNDER THE, THE NEW RULES AT THAT POINT. YEAH. SO WE'LL SEE GETTING CLEANED UP VERSIONS OF THESE WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT JANET WAS CONCERNED WITH AND I WAS CONCERNED WITH FOR MONDAY NIGHT. OR DO WE NEED TO AMEND IT TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IF YOU'D LIKE US TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE YET. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE IN HERE. UM, NO, WHEN I ASKED YOU, YOU SAID, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE LAW SHOULD NEVER HAVE THAT AS WHEN SOMEBODY READS IT TO SAY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. IT OUGHT TO BE READABLE RIGHT THEN. WHICH, WHICH, WHICH ITEM IS THAT? I WANT TO, THE ONE ABOUT CAN YOU DO IT THE SAME ONE? YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT WAS A YEAR'S TIME FRAME AND I SAID, WELL, BUT WHAT IF IT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION? AND YOU SAID, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. I THINK ALL WE NEED IS SOME WORDING LIKE ON THE SAME LOCATION, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDED THOSE THREE WORDS. YEAH, I THINK, YEAH. WELL, JANET, YOU HAD POINTED OUT THE LANGUAGE. IT SAYS YEAH. OR SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR. SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR. THERE NEEDS TO BE A JUDGMENT CALL IN THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE SAYING, AHA, UH, IT'S, IT'S FIVE FEET APART. SO IT, IT MEETS THE LETTER OF THE LAWS THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY. YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A NEW ONE. RIGHT. WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. THERE'S GOTTA BE A JUDGMENT CALL. IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON STAFF TO DO THAT, THEN IT, IT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, UM, THE TIME LIMIT STILL IS, IS REQUIRED NOT MOVING IT JUST A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER TO BRING IT RIGHT BACK WITHIN SIX MONTHS AND SEND ALL THE NEIGHBORS THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AGAIN. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A JUDGMENT CALL AS NEEDED THERE. YEAH. SO WE DO ADDRESS IT WITH SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, BUT, BUT AS JAY MENTIONED, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF JUDGMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS. WE CHOSE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING SPECIFICALLY IF THE BOUNDARIES MOVE X FEE ITEM NUMBER SIX. OKAY, SO AS PROVISION, THE SUBSEQUENT REQUESTS FOR THE SAME OR SIMILAR IMPROVEMENTS ARE LIMITED TO ONCE EVERY 24 MONTHS? YEAH. SO IF IT'S QUARTER A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, WE PROBABLY WOULD ALLOW IT. OR HALF MILE. YEAH. I THINK WHAT WE WANNA LOOK AT IS, IS HOW MUCH OVERLAP WOULD A, WOULD A NEW REQUEST BE ON THE OLD ONE? LIKE IF IT IS HALF ON WHERE THE OLD ONE WAS, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT. THAT NEEDS TO WAIT 24 MONTHS. RIGHT. AND, AND PART OF IT TOO IS, IS IN THE INITIAL PROCESS, UH, THROUGH OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING FOLKS, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, WE'LL, WE APPLY JUDGMENT TO WHERE THE SPEED HUMPS OR TABLES NEED TO BE. RIGHT? AND SO IF, IF, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, OKAY, UH, WE HAVE A PETITION AND WE AGREE THAT YOU HAVE THREE AT A PARTICULAR LOCATIONS, AND THOSE LOCATIONS [00:25:01] ARE BASED ON SEPARATION AND SAFETY AND INTERSECTIONS AND ALL THOSE FACTORS. AND SO OUR EYES HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE AND SAID, THESE LOCATIONS ARE BEST IF IT FAILS, THEY WANT TO COME BACK PRETTY QUICKLY. AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE JUST WANNA MOVE 'EM OVER 50 FEET. WE'RE LIKE, HOLD ON A SECOND. FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A CHANGE. THEY STILL NEED TO BE RIGHT THERE. YOUR VOTE'S GOING TO BE THE SAME. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. THAT WOULD BE IN ESSENCE THE SAME. AND SO THE LOCATION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IS GONNA PROBABLY DICTATE THAT. NOW, IF IT'S A LARGE SUBDIVISION AND, UH, ONE AREA IS A A FOUR BLOCK, FIVE BLOCK AREA, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THERE'S A HOLE DOWN THE ROAD OR A DIFFERENT ROAD AND IT'S A FOUR OR FIVE BLOCK AREA, MAYBE THERE'S A ONE BLOCK, UH, OR A ONE, UH, IMPROVEMENT OVERLAP, I THINK WE, AND WE'D HAVE TO DECIDE THAT. I THINK WE WOULD SAY THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. IT OVERLAPS JUST A LITTLE BUT NOT MUCH. AND THEN THEREFORE THAT WOULD BE A NEW ONE. BUT IF IT COMES BACK TO THE SAME THING, IT WOULD NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT AND IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TWO YEAR WAIT, UH, TO DO THAT. BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY X FEET BECAUSE REALLY WHAT DICTATES IT IS IN THE END WHERE THE TRAFFIC CALMING INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED. THAT'S THE KEY. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA DICTATE THE BOAT AREA. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO EXPERIENCE AND SEE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF REQUESTS WE GET. AND IF WE DO, WE COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO, TO DO THIS, BUT I, TO CHANGE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY HARDER TO SAY X FEED OR X THIS OR X THAT RIGHT NOW, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT NUMBER, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE HARD TO GET ON WITH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR, IT JUST, IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING THE CITY IS DECIDING WHERE THE, THE SPEED HOMES SHOULD BE MM-HMM . WHO ARE THESE 50% OF HOMES LOCATED WITHIN 600 FEET OF A PROPOSED? UH, BECAUSE IF, IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I ASK FOR A PETITION, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW ALREADY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT HUMP. NO. IF WE DECIDE LIKE THIS PART OF THE ROAD, SOUTH THE ROAD, THERE'S FEEDING PROBLEM, HOW DO WE DEFINE THOSE BOUNDARIES THEN? IF, IF THE HUMP IS WHERE THE CITY'S GONNA SAY IT IS NOT WHERE THE NEIGHBORS THINK IT'S GONNA BE. THAT THAT'S WHERE THE ENGINEERING STAFF HAS GOTTA ENGAGE THEM AND DETERMINE WHERE WE THINK IT'S THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATE IS FOR. SO BEFORE THEY GET ANY SIGNATURES? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE'LL BE TAKING SOME LOOK. WE'LL TAKE A PRELIMINARY LOOK AT IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. GREAT. YEAH. SO THEY JUST HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CITY THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE. WE SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH 'EM AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANNA GO OUT AND CANVAS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GET THE PETITIONS. IT'S MORE INFORMAL PROCESS. HERE'S THE LOCATION THAT WE THINK IS THE BIGGEST CANDIDATE. SO GREAT, GREAT. WELL, ARE WE SPECIFIC WHEN WE GET THE PETITIONS AS TO WHICH ADDRESSES? IT HAS TO BE? YES, MA'AM. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. AND THEY WILL BE TOLD WHICH ONES THOSE ARE? YES. OKAY. YEP. BUT THEY CAN TALK TO ANYBODY THEY WANTS TO. AND, AND AGAIN, FOR THAT FIRST ROUND, WE JUST WANNA KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ONE RESIDENT WITH AN AX TO GRIND ABOUT VEHICLES AND SPEEDING AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT IT'S, THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS IN THE AREA THAT YES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK AT. YEAH. AND, AND REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IS BECAUSE YOU COULD ALWAYS DETERMINE AND PAY FOR, IMPROVE THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ON THE PUBLIC STREET IF YOU WANT TO. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT REALLY ENGAGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO FIRST OF ALL, UH, DETERMINE AND BRING A CONCERN TO US FOR US TO ANALYZE IT AND FOR YOU TO LET THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PROCESS WORK ITSELF OUT AND HONOR IT. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS REALLY DOES, IS SORT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD GOVERNANCE APPROACH TO IT, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY NICE APPROACH. AND IT, UH, WE WE'RE HOPING THESE CHANGES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND CLARIFY SOME OF THE PAST PRACTICE PLUS THE CHANGES. BUT AS I MENTIONED, IT'S NOT IF WE RUN INTO AN ISSUE, WE'RE A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'VE RUN INTO A COUPLE OF THESE AND WE'RE, WE, WE FIND A CRACK IN THIS AND OUR POLICY REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS IT WELL, AND IT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT ISSUE. WE NEED TO CHANGE IT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU. SO, SO RIGHT NOW, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION AND, AND CITY ATTORNEY, CORRECT ME IF I'M, IF I'M WRONG, BUT, SO WE CAN EITHER RIGHT NOW KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, OR IF WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WE COULD BY CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING IF IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED. SO I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOOD WITH KEEPING IT ON THE, ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY? SO, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS ON MONDAY, IF OVER THE WEEKEND WE THINK, OH, THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFTER WE HAVE A MOTION, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND AMEND IT. BUT IF, I GUESS I'D ASK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AN AMENDMENT, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH WHAT AMENDMENT WE WANNA PROPOSE. AND, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF WE, IF WE ADDRESS ANY OF THIS. SO, UM, AND THEN WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, I GUESS IF SOMEONE'S THINKING ABOUT AN AMENDMENT, SHOULD THEY RUN IT BY JASON OR YOU OR JAY OR SOME COMBINATION AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THE AMENDMENT'S WRITTEN PROPERLY? I WOULD LOVE THAT. I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND HAVE HIM CONTACT KRISTEN. 'CAUSE SHE CAN LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AND THEN SHARE IT WITH US. AND THEN FROM THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE KEY IS WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE? THE OTHER OPTION I GUESS THEY COULD ALWAYS POSTPONE AND WE COULD HAVE ONE MORE TIME. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO AMEND IN THE MEETING. IF IT'S COMPLICATED, IT'S EASY. YOU COULD, IT WE CAN ALSO POSTPONE MONDAY. YES. YEAH. SO IF THAT COMES UP. SO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STAFF IS SAYING, HEY, IF WE PASS IT AS IT IS, WE CAN AMEN IT LATER IF WE NEED TO. YES. [00:30:01] IT'S A POLICY AND POLICIES ARE NOT NECESSARILY EVER CHANGING. I WON'T SAY THAT. OBVIOUSLY STAFF WOULDN'T HAVE PUT THIS POLICY IN FRONT OF YOU IF THEY THOUGHT IT WASN'T WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE, BUT IT, IT, IF TWEAKS NEED TO HAPPEN, IT, THEY CAN HAPPEN EVOLVE. YEP. THANK YOU. BETTER THAN EVER. CHANGING ALLOWED TO EVOLVE. HOW ABOUT THAT? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POLICY AND AN ORDINANCE? I GUESS? YES. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND I'M SURE IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT WOULDN'T BE BEFORE US UNLESS IT WAS LEGAL. BUT IT WAS JUST INTERESTING TO ME THAT WE COULD REPEAL AND ADOPT IN ONE MOTION. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU NEED TO REVEAL SOMETHING BEFORE YOU ADOPT IN IT, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT. NOT INTERESTING. OKAY. I COULD GO, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF YOU JUST ADOPTED THIS ONE, IT WOULD IN THEORY SUPERSEDE THE OLD ONE ANYWAY, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VERY CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT YOU WERE DONE WITH THE OLD ONE. SO ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. I GOT YOU. YEAH. KRISTEN'S ONE OF THE BEST REPEAL ADOPTERS. I KNOW. . OH, SHUCKS. COME ON, . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU POST THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA? I WAS, OH, THANK YOU. BUT THAT'S GOING IN MY EMAIL SIGNATURE. I'LL GET WITH SARAH AFTER THE MEETING. SO, KRISTEN, YES, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH ONE THING. YOU SAID THAT THE LANGUAGE IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY. MM-HMM . BEFORE IT COMES TO US. I REMEMBER US CHANGING LANGUAGE A MILLION TIMES AND I'M, THAT SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY, SO WE ALWAYS TURN, TURN YOU FOR THE CORRECT ANSWER. THE OTHER ATTORNEY. YES. WELL, STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH IT. STAFF WOULDN'T PUT A HALF-BAKED POLICY IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. IT'S NOT TO SAY, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS, WE'VE BEEN SO PICKY OVER THE YEARS AND, AND ULTIMATELY YOU ARE THE POLICY MAKERS, SO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THEY DIDN'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU WITHOUT THINKING IT WAS THE BEST, UH, PRODUCT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THE CHALLENGE OF ONE LIKE THIS IS, IS AS YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THOSE WHO REALLY SEE THE NEED AND WANT TO SUPPORT, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT DON'T WANNA SEE IT. AND SO BOTH OF 'EM LOOK AT THE POLICY A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT. AS TO HOW, WHETHER IT BENEFITS THEM OR NOT. SO THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF POLICIES ARE ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE HAVE GOOD LANGUAGE FOR THE CHANGES WE MADE. IF WE RUN INTO SOMETHING, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AS WE DID THIS TIME. DO WE NEED TO ADD A LITTLE PHRASE IN THERE? UM, I KNOW WHERE ANN'S CONCERNED WHERE SAME OR SIMILAR AS DETERMINED BY STAFF CAN. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. OKAY. 'CAUSE STAFF IMPLEMENTS THE POLICY AND, AND WORKS WITH IT. UM, SO I, I DON'T, IT WOULDN'T BE HARMFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UH, I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH, I WASN'T GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION, BUT WE HAD IT IN CASE WE NEEDED IT. . UH, OKAY. OH, A REMINDER, I TOLD HOLLY TO DO THIS. SO THIS IS A REMINDER FOR YOUR ETHICS FORM YOUR SS DASH 8 0 0 5, THE DREADED SS 8 0 5, AND SUBMIT IT TO THE TENNESSEE ETHICS COMMISSION BY JANUARY 31ST. SO YOU, YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY SHORT TIME TO GET THAT DONE. AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S SUBMITTED IT AND WHO HASN'T SUBMITTED IT? OKAY. SO OTHER THAN SELF-REPORTING, THAT'S WAY, OKAY. I DO THINK YOU CAN GO ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE AND LOOK UP BY NAME BECAUSE THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD AND THE FORM IS PUBLIC RECORD. SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE WORRIED THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SUBMITTED IT, BUT DON'T REMEMBER. YOU CAN, I THINK YOU CAN. DIDN'T KNOW. IT WOULD BE EASY FOR HOLLY TO REMIND THOSE OF US THAT HAVEN'T DONE IT TO DO IT, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY SOLVE DO THEY? OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN PROBABLY SOLVE, OKAY. MODERATE. IS THIS THE SAME ONE THAT'S LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE INVESTMENTS IN THIS AND YOUR SPOUSE DOESN'T LOOK? YEAH. YEAH. THIS ISN'T A DOES TENNESSEE DO? IT DOESN'T LOOK FORWARD OR LOOK BACK. IT'S BACK. BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE ACTUALLY. I'VE NEVER HAD TO FILM MY AUTO. I DO IT MISSOURI YEAR LATER. MAYBE IT'S CONTEMPORARY. LIKE IS IT, THAT'S WHAT IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S WRITTEN AS IT'S WRITTEN CURRENT VIEWS. IT'S THIS POINT IN TOM BACKWARDS A YEAR BACK. OKAY. ONE YEAR. YEAH. AND THEN IT DOESN'T, THERE, THERE MAY BE ONE QUESTION ON THERE, IF I REMEMBER. I DID MINE END OF DECEMBER, SO THAT WAS MANY MILES AGO. BUT, UM, THAT DOES SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS LIKE SELLING OR SOMETHING TO THE MUNICIPALITY OR THE STATE GO? LIKE, IS YOUR BUSINESS PLANNING ON I GUESS DOING A CONTRACT? YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS ONE QUESTION ON THERE LIKE THAT MM-HMM . BUT, BUT IT MAY, BUT EVEN THAT QUESTION MAY ACTUALLY BE IN THE PAST YEAR. HAVE YOU DONE THAT? BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT MIGHT LOOK FORWARD. OKAY. VERY GOOD. WELL, THAT'S THE WEBPAGE ADDRESS FOR YOU IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE THAT. IT'S FUNNY. CONFLICT . THERE'S A, CAN READ A PRESUMPTION IN THERE. UM, OKAY. SO OUR OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION FIRST IS GATEWAY SIGNAGE, UH, PHASE TWO. SO CHARLES, YOU WANT HAVE THE TEAM TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE POINTER HERE IF YOU'D LIKE AS WELL. [00:35:01] I'LL PROBABLY GIVE IT TO, YEAH. OUR TEAM HERE. SO WE, THE LATE FALL, WE HAD STV KIND OF FINISH UP THEIR FIRST PHASE AND GIVE US A VERY BASIC, UH, DESIGN. THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT COLOR AND SHE AND MATERIALS AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN PHASE TWO. AND SO NOW TO TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE STV. THIS YOU'RE, YEAH, I HATE THAT. I THINK SO. I NEED TO STAND MARY. WHAT'S THAT? AND NATALIE GANG ALSO LOOKING TV. YEAH. IF WE COULD HAVE YOU STAND DOWN THAT WAY. A SEE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I MAKE SURE THIS WORK. GOOD. ALRIGHT. THINK SO. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. UH, IT'S AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK WE'LL FIND OUT SOON ENOUGH. UM, SO I WANNA START OUT JUST RECAPPING A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE PROCESS WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH YOU ALL PREVIOUSLY. I THINK MOST OF YOU, THERE MAY BEEN A COUPLE , MOST OF YOU BEEN INVOLVED. UH, SO SOME THINGS WE HEARD WE WANT, UH, DESIGN STANDPOINT OF THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE, UH, MODERN, YET TRADITIONAL IN SOME OF THAT TRADITIONAL LOOK. UH, MINIMAL MAINTENANCE WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD. WE, A MAINTENANCE ISSUE FOR THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. NOBODY WANTS THAT. UH, FUNCTIONALITY AND SAFETY. MAKE SURE THE DESIGNS ARE SCALABLE AND IF THEY CAN GO FIT WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE, UH, THAT ARE REQUIRED BY TDOT ON STATE ROADWAYS. UH, THAT'S A KEY PIECE THAT'S JUST REALLY KIND OF A REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT LATER ON. UH, PRACTICAL, CONSIDER PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, COST. WE'RE GONNA BE MINDFUL OF COST OF COURSE, BUT THEN ALSO BOUNCE THAT WITH QUALITY AND DURABILITY AS WELL. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE MAINTENANCE, UH, POINT. UM, SO THIS IS IN THE END, THIS WAS KIND OF THE, THE SIGN DESIGN THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED. AND EVERYBODY KIND OF GENERALLY HAD CON UH, UH, CONCURRENCE ON, UH, ESTIMATED SIZE. UH, THIS IS AT LEMME POINT OUT, THIS IS AT THE, UH, SOUTHBOUND EXIT RAMP, UH, AT, UH, UH, CONCOR ROAD. UH, ESTIMATED SIZE 10 FEET BY SIX FEET. YOU CAN SEE, UH, LITTLE BEAM ACROSS THE TOP HERE. UH, SAY OFFSET, OFFSET GRANITE COLUMNS, BASICALLY MEANING ONE IS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER. UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, GRANITE BASE, UH, WITH CONCRETE AND CAPS. THOSE ARE ONE YOU SEE AT THE TOP THERE. UH, LETTERING. YOU CAN SEE BRENTWOOD, TENNESSEE, UH, USING, UH, REQUIEM UH, FONT, UH, FOR THE BRENTWOOD PIECE. AND GOTHAM, UH, CAN SEE, UH, PIECE OF IT, UH, IS A, UH, BLUE COLOR, UH, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH CITY'S, UH, UH, COLOR SCHEME. UH, AND THAT IS, UH, ON THE LIGHT BACKGROUND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. UH, THE LETTERS ARE A THREE EIGHTH INCH FLAT CUT ALUMINUM, UH, SLASH METAL. UH, AND THEY ARE, UH, MOUNTED, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE BACK, THE BACKBOARD THERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL BACKGROUND IS A LOT BEIGE COLOR, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, VERY MINIMAL. UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S MULCH SHOWN THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE METAL, IT COULD BE ROCK AS WELL. BUT SOMETHING GENERALLY JUST, AGAIN, LOW MAINTENANCE, SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND YOU HAVE PLANTS THAT DIE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND REPLANT 'EM. ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UH, AND THEN AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, UH, NO LI LIGHTING THAT'S CONSIDERED THERE. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION TOWARD THAT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRABLE. UH, WE, ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO POWER TO THE SITE. SO IN ORDER TO GET POWER THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO INTRODUCE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS, OBVIOUSLY TO DO THAT. UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES POTENTIALLY FOR SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO. UM, ON THE SOLAR SIDE, WE'LL WORK WITH OUR LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECT PARTNERS, UH, UH, HP, UH, DESIGN AS WELL ON THAT. UM, THIS IS THE LOCATION AT QUESTION ON. YES, SIR. ON THE MATERIALS WHERE IT MENTIONS THE WOOD BEAM, YES. IS THE BEAM ACTUAL NATURAL WOOD OR IS IT SOME SORT OF MORE DURABLE? IT, IT CAN BE ONE, IT CAN BE EITHER ONE, HONESTLY. UH, THE, THE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS WE DO WANT TO TALK TO THE SIGN COMPANIES AS WE, 'CAUSE THE SIGN COMPANY WILL ACTUALLY BE THE ONES THAT CONSTRUCT THE, THE ACTUAL SIGN, RIGHT? WE'RE HANDLING THE SURROUNDING DESIGN PART, THE COORDINATION WITH TDOT, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT WANTING TO COORDINATE WITH THE SIGN COMPANY TO MAKE SURE WE GET FROM THEM THAT THE BEST OPTION REALLY, QUITE FRANKLY, IN TERMS OF A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE. GOTCHA. SO, YEAH, COMING RETENTION. UM, THIS IS THE WILSON PARK LOCATION. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, KIND OF ONCE SHOWN HERE. I, I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT WE, THERE IS SOME, ONCE WE GET INTO SUBMITTING THE SITE PLANS AND THINGS TO THE STATE OF TENNESSEE AND, UH, AND TDOT, OR I SHOULD SAY TDOT, NOT STATE, TENNESSEE. TENNESSEE, I GUESS. BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE OF IS THIS, THIS LOCATION IS WITHIN THE TDOT CLEAR ZONE. OKAY? OR NOT TDOT, JUST THE GENERAL ROADWAY CLEAR ZONE, WHICH MEANS ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE BREAKAWAY MATERIALS, THEY'RE GONNA [00:40:01] REQUIRE BREAKAWAY POSTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS BASICALLY A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THE ONE AT CONCORD ROAD. UM, WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, UH, THAT CAN GO THERE POTENTIALLY, IF TDOT DOES NOT LIKE THAT PARTICULAR OPTION IN TERMS OF ITS ABILITY TO BREAK AWAY, UH, THE WAY WE'VE TALKED TO, UH, THE COMPANY, UH, THIS COMPANY, UH, TRANSPO, POLESAFE, UM, IT COULD BE, UH, IT'S POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD END UP LACKING THIS LIKE THIS. IT COULD BE THAT IT GOES DOWN OVER TOP OF THOSE POLES, UH, THAT, THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BREAK AWAY. UH, BUT THERE IS SOME THINGS WE WANT TALK WITH TI ABOUT TO, ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT. UH, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO GET ANY TROUBLE WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY. PLUS THEY WANNA PROVE IT ANYWAY IF WE DON'T DO WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, JUST SOME DETAILS ON THAT. THIS, UH, ESTIMATED FOUR FEET BY THREE FEET, UM, SAME, SAME LETTERING, FONTS, ALL AGAIN, CONSISTENT. LOOK, UH, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MATERIAL. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS, THE NEED FOR IT TO BE BREAKAWAY, UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY BUILD THIS WITH A ACTUAL STONE FORMAT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, UH, AND AGAIN, WE'LL BE WORKING ON THE SIGN COMPANY ON THIS, BUT, UM, THIS IS, UH, LIKE A POLYURETHANE FOAM, UH, CODED WITH A STUCCO. UH, THE, THE LETTERS AND THINGS ARE EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SAME. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WILL BE THE MAIN MATERIALS. AND THAT'S THE PART THAT WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THE SIGN COMPANY ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT GONNA CREATE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE FOR YOU. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY REQUIRE. WE LOOK, RECALL, WE LOOKED AT, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE A FEW OF 'EM HERE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO HEAD AS LONG AS WE CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH DESIGNED AS WELL AS, UH, THE MATERIALS. UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF, UH, SHOWS YOU THE, THE CURRENT SIGN THAT'S OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'VE BEEN EMPLOYED FOR A WHILE AND SERVE THE CITY VERY WELL. UH, AND, UH, AND THIS IS THE, THE, THE, UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AGAIN, I MENTIONED SOME OF THE OPTIONS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU MAY HAVE RECALL SEEING SOME. WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS THAT WE SHOWED YOU ALL OVER THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. UH, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, THIS RIGHT OVER HERE SHOWS THAT POLESAFE, UH, UH, PRODUCT, UH, THAT'S DESIGNED TO BREAK AWAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SITS DOWN IN THIS CASE, IT IS A POLE ACTUALLY, AND IT SITS DOWN OVER TOP OF THE ANCHORS THEMSELVES. UH, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER OPTIONS. UH, THE ONE AT WILSON PARK. THAT'S THE BIG ONE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT TDO WILL SAY ABOUT THAT ONE. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. IF THEY DECIDE THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU ALL AND WORK WITH YOU ALL TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT. UH, REAL QUICK ABOUT THE PROJECT TEAM, UH, BRAD THOMPSON. I'M THE TENNESSEE AREA MANAGER FOR STV. UH, LAMB, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, IS OVER HERE. YOU, YOU MAY NOT RECOGNIZE HER. UM, UH, NATALIE, UH, WHO'S HERE WITH ME, SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, SHE'S THE ACTUAL PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. AND, UH, SHE'LL BE COORDINATING AND DOING THE WORK WITH TDOT ON THE DESIGN SIDE OF THINGS. AND THEN CONNOR BALL, WHO HAS ALSO DONE SOME WORK WITH THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD WITH, UH, HP DESIGN, HE'LL BE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NATALIE AND THEN WALK THROUGH FEW THINGS HERE ON THE DESIGN SIDE. THANKS, BRAD. HI EVERYONE. I'M NATALIE GANG AND I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, SO SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS INCLUDE, UH, TASK ONE, WHICH IS A TDOT CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE SUBMIT TO TDOT AS JUST VERY MUCH A HIGH LEVEL, UH, CONCEPTUAL VIEW OF K TDOT. THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA PUT THE SIGN. THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDIT CONDITIONS, UM, AND SOME VICINITY MAPS ABOUT THAT. ONCE WE GET THAT APPROVAL FROM TDOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO WORK ON, UH, THE STAMPED PLANS. THESE PLANS NEED TO BE STAMPED BY A TENNESSEE LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. UM, THESE ARE A BIT MORE BEEFED UP COMPARED TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS. THEY, THEY INCLUDE, UM, A MORE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE GATEWAY SIGNS, INCLUDING, UM, SPECIFICATIONS ON MATERIALS, THE INSTALLATION, AS WELL AS, UM, ANY SPECS WE WANT TO CALL OUT FOR THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SIGN. I KNOW WE'RE KEEPING IT MINIMAL. UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE BRENTWOOD APPROVAL LETTER, UM, AND A FEW OF THE SITE SPECIFIC SIGN SCHEMATICS SHOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE SIGNED FACE LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND ANY DETAILS WE GET FROM THE SIGN MANUFACTURER. UM, SO WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? UH, HOPEFULLY WE GET THE CONTRACT APPROVED NEXT WEEK AND THEN WE'LL KICK OFF PHASE TWO AND BEGIN WORK. UM, WE'LL START WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS. UH, Q3, Q4, FY 26. SO HERE SOON, UM, ONCE WE GET APPROVAL FROM TDOT, WE'LL NATURALLY MOVE ON TO THE STAMPED PLANS, UM, SHOOTING FOR AN EXPECTED COMPLETION Q1 OF FY 27. AFTER THAT'S COMPLETE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO TASK [00:45:01] THREE, WHICH IS BIDDING ASSISTANCE AND CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT. UM, AND WE LOOK TO FINISH THAT BY Q4 OF 27 2 YEARS. WITH THAT, WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD AND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SURE. ON THE, UH, ON THE CITY LOGO PIECE, UH, IS, IS THAT STAMPED METAL AS WELL AS THAT AN ENAMORED PIECE OR WHAT, WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? YES, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, I'M NOT MISTAKEN, INDIANA, YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME OUT HERE. UH, BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE LIKE A, UM, YEAH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S THREE EIGHTH INCH FLAT CUT ALUMINUM. YEAH, IT'S BE, IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE LETTERS. IT'LL BE AN ALUMINUM TYPE PRODUCT, UH, AS WELL. UH, WE DON'T WANNA DO ANY KIND OF WOOD PRODUCT THERE BECAUSE IT DOES WEATHER OVER TIME AND, AND, AND CREATES A MAINTENANCE ISSUE IN TERMS OF NEEDING TO PAINT IT POTENTIALLY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S FROM THE PAINTING SURFACE ITSELF, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S PRINTED ON THERE AND THEN AN ENAMEL OR OXY OVER THE TOP? UM, PROBABLY HAVE TO GIVE WITH SIGN MANUFACTURER, MAKE SURE ON THAT ONE WE, WE KIND OF, YEAH, WE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE START GETTING MORE INTO DESIGN SIDE OF THINGS. WE, WE TRIED TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE LOOK AND FILL WAS, RIGHT. AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA TALK, GET WITH A SIGN MANUFACTURER TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE. WE KNOW SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE GENERAL THINGS LIKE THE ALUMINUM CUT LETTERS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UH, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO WORK WITH THEM ON FOR SURE. AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO KEEP MAINTENANCE ON THOSE LETTERS RAISED AT ALL OFF THE BACKGROUND SURFACE. UH, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE LIKE A SMALL, YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY ARE A SMALL RAISE. I'LL GIVE A 3D LOOK. KIND OF THE YEAH, YEAH. I BELIEVE I DO, I BELIEVE WHERE THAT IT'S CASE. YES. ALRIGHT. REAL, REAL QUICK ON THAT, WHAT'S THE LIMITATION AGAIN FROM UH, TDOT ON THE LIGHTING? 'CAUSE THAT MAKES ME THINK BACK LIT OR LIFT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GROUND. HOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS FROM THE GROUND? YEAH. YEAH. I BELIEVE IT HAS TO GO FROM THE GROUND. UH, IT, AND IT'S UH, IT'S BASICALLY GOTTA BE SOME TYPE OF UP LIGHTING, RIGHT? IT CAN'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF BACKGROUND LIGHTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, BUT IT, IT CAN HAVE SOME UPLIGHTING. SO IT WOULD BE RELAT MENTAL. HAS, HAS TDOT EXPERIMENTED AT ALL WITH THE LED BACKLIGHTING? 'CAUSE IT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS WELL AND IT DOESN'T, UH, I WOULDN'T THINK CREATES ANY KIND OF A TRAFFIC HAZARD BECAUSE IT'S SO CONTROLLABLE. BUT HAVE THEY EXPERIMENTED AT ALL WITH THAT, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IS, UM, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH NOW ARE RELATIVELY NEW. THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY NEW WHEN IT COMES TO TDOT. UM, THEY, THEY RAN INTO, THEY RAN INTO SOME ISSUES RECENTLY WITH THESE TYPES OF GATEWAY SIGNS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY WERE UM, EITHER WAY TOO LARGE MM-HMM . OR HAD SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING ISSUES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO, UM, THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN A LOT OF SPECIFICS IN TERMS OF THAT AT THIS POINT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE I THINK THE COORDINATION WITH TDI IS GONNA COME INTO PLAY TO SEE AND, AND HONESTLY IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM AND DEMONSTRATE THEM UHHUH TO THEM, WHAT IT WOULD BE SO THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY MAKE SOME TYPE OF JUDGMENT. UH, YOU ALSO, THE BIG THING YOU HAVE TO GET INTO WITH THE LIGHTING AS MUCH LIKE YOU PROBABLY HAVE WITH YOUR CITY ORDINANCES IS UM, YOU HAVE TO DO LIGHTING DIAGRAMS AND THINGS THAT SHOW CANDLE. CANDLE YEAH. AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. PUT CANDLES. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS AS FAR AS DOING SIDE PLAN REVIEWS, , IS THIS TWO SIDED? UH, NO, IT'S ONE SIDED. YES. WITH THE LED JASON A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION , THE EXXON STATION UP THERE PUT LED LIGHTING AROUND THE TOP. AND I KNOW THAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO BACK TO 'EM AND SAID, WE, OUR CODES PREVENT LED LIGHTING, SO THEY HAVE TO WATCH THE CODE, OUR CODES AND, AND T DOTS ON THIS ONE, YOU KNOW? YEP. SURE. THE WAY THAT IS FLUSH WITH THE GROUND WHEN IT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDA LANDSCAPING YOU'RE USING, BUT THAT DIRT THERE, IF IT RAINS, IT'S GONNA JUST FLASH AND ALL OF THAT LIGHT COLOR IS GOING TO BE MUD LOOKING ALL THE TIME. THAT'S, I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD SOMETIMES YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE CRAWL SPACE, BRICK. AND I JUST WONDER ABOUT THAT. NO, I, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WE SAY LANDSCAPING WILL BE MINIMAL. WE JUST SHOW THIS KIND OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW. RIGHT. BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DO TALK, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO PUT SOME ROCK DOWN THAT WOULD BASICALLY ELIMINATE SOMETHING, ELIMINATE THAT, KEEP THAT DIRT, SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, RIVER STONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO KEEP IT FROM, FROM THAT. 'CAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT THAT HAPPENS. YEAH. I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY, REALLY LIKE THE DESIGN. I THINK THEY REALLY ARE A NICE BALANCE OF A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNAGE AND THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. I THINK IT REALLY LOOKS VERY MUCH AT HOME IN THE CITY. GREAT. BLANKET. THE, UM, BRENTWOOD APPROVAL LEVEL, IS THAT COMING FROM PLANNING AND CODES OR FROM THE CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTING IT? OR DOES THIS GO THROUGH OUR PLANNING AND CODES DEPARTMENT? YEAH. OR COMMISSION, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT'S FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S FROM ME. I THINK IT'S [00:50:01] PROBABLY FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. YES. I BELIEVE THAT PLANNING THAT'S COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE. CORRECT. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THE SIGNAGE NEEDS TO BE ON BOTH SIDES, IS THAT CAPABLE OF HAVING THE SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES? WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T DO THAT. I MEAN, IT'D BE OBVIOUSLY SOME COSTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE CLOVERLEAF NATURE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING ON THOSE EXITS AND ON AND OFF IT MAY NEED TO BE AT THAT LOCATION ON BOTH SIDES. SO I KNOW SOME SIGNS, THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP, THINGS ARE ATTACHED A CERTAIN WAY, AND SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE SPACE IN THE MAIN BOARD TO ATTACH ON BOTH SIDES. SO WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND IT MAY BE WE SET IT UP ONE WAY, BUT IF WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE, YEAH. MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADD THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE. THE SIDE WOULD HAVE TO BE, BUT ALONG THOSE LINES, THIS, THIS IS ONE SIGN THAT YOU'D SEE FROM SOUTHBOUND 65 GETTING OFF ON CONCORD ROAD. RIGHT. WHEN YOU'RE GETTING OFF COMING INTO, SO THE OTHER SIDE ON NORTHBOUND 65 GETTING OFF ON CONCORD ROAD, WE, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SPOT FOR IT, BUT THIS, BUT THIS IS ON THE SOUTH. WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT. THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE LOCATIONS WE LOOKED AT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. THE THING I WANNA POINT OUT TO, AND YOU ALL MAY RECALL THAT THIS CAME UP WAS, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGN. AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT THIS, THIS SIGN WILL BE DESIGNED SO THAT THE P THE PIECES ARE SEPARATE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MODULAR MM-HMM . SO THAT IF YOU NEED TO, YOU HAVE A SITUATION WITH YOUR LETTERS, OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN BE REPLACED, BUT IF THERE'S EVEN THE BACKBOARD SIDE OF THINGS, IT CAN BE TAKEN OUT. UH, WOULD BE THE OTHER THING THERE. AS FAR AS I MAINTENANCE SIDE, I AGREE WITH MAYOR ANDREWS, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN THIS DESIGN. THIS, THIS IS, YOU'VE LISTENED TO WHAT WE SAID, AND THIS, THIS APPEARS TO ME, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DESIGNED EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO. I CAN SPEAK TO WHERE THINGS GO REALLY QUICK. I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU COULD RUN THIS HOWEVER YOU LIKE, BUT TYPICALLY THE CONTRACTOR OR THE, OOPS, SORRY. TYPICALLY FOR SIGNS, EVEN IF THEY'RE A CITY SIGN, AS I UNDERSTAND, THEY WOULD WIND UP GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY EITHER THE OWNER, WHICH WOULD BE THE CITY OR THE CONTRACTOR, WOULD APPLY TO PLANNING AND CODES FOR A SIGN PERMIT SO THAT WE'RE ENSURE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF GET TO REVIEW THE LOCATION. UH, UM, I PRESUME THAT CITY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE SOME PART IN THIS SINCE SEIZURE GATEWAY SIGNS, BUT JUST I'M STU ON HERE. YEAH. I WOULD WANT TO TALK TO THIS CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, UH, WHAT ZONING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S RIGHT AWAY. IT'S NOT ZONING. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CODE THEY APPLY TO IT. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. WHATEVER THE CODE REQUIRES IS WHAT WE'LL DO. SO YEAH, WE'LL DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. IT REQUIRES SIGN OR, BUT COULD THEY CHANGE THE DESIGN? I MEAN, DON'T WE ADOPT THE DESIGN AND THEN THEY DETERMINE THAT THE SIGN THE SIZE AND ALL MEET THE CODES. YEAH. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ROLES, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODE JUST TO SEE HOW IT'S BEEN ADOPTED. YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD BE THE ONES YES. CHOOSING THE DESIGN. I AGREE. AS MUCH AS I RESPECT THEM, THEY HAVE THEIR LANE AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THEIR LINE. YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK. IF I MAY ADD, PART OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS IN PHASE ONE INCLUDED, UM, MEETING WITH STAFF DEREK AND PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, PLANNING ALONG THE WAY. AND WHILE IT DIDN'T GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WE DEFINITELY WERE HAVING SOME LIKE STAFF DISCUSSIONS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ADHERING TO, UM, THE PLANNING POLICIES FOR SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND THE LIGHTING, ONE THING ABOUT THAT, UM, HAVING USED TO WORK FOR TDOT, THE LIGHTING, THEIR CONCERN IS THAT IT DOESN'T PREVENT, UM, OR OBSTRUCT DRIVING. LIKE LIGHTING IS IN THE EYE OF A DRIVER. AND SO WHAT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, HB LAND, THIS IS, UH, SKIP HEBERT'S FORMER GROUP EXPLAINED TO US THAT THEY COULD DO A MOCKUP LIGHTING IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, TO WHERE YOU COULD THEN GO VISIT IT AT NIGHT TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE. AND HE WAS EXPLAINING THAT THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND THIS LIGHTING, EVEN THE SOLAR LIGHTING HAS IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS. AND SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, UM, THAT COULD BE WORKED UP THROUGH, UM, HB LAND, UM, AND THEIR GROUP TO, TO VISIT SOMETHING IF, IF YOU DO PURSUE WANTING TO DO THE LIGHTING. INTERESTING. IS THAT NICE TO SEE IT AFTER THE SIGNS IN? I THINK ANY COULD BE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE NOT, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED BY TDOT. OF COURSE, THERE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY TDOT. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK TO TDOT. SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT LIGHTING, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND PROBABLY PUT THAT IN BECAUSE THAT APPROVAL LETTER IS TDOT'S, UM, NOTIFICATION THAT WE ARE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND NOT JUST GOING ROGUE AND DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT Y'ALLS APPROVAL. SO IT'S A PROTECTION FOR YOU GUYS. SO WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THEM GO AHEAD AND AT LEAST EXPLORE THE [00:55:01] IDEA OF ATTRACTIVE LIGHTING? VERY GOOD. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE MATERIAL FOR THE BACKGROUND, THE, THE BEIGE PIECE IN THE MIDDLE THERE, THE CURVE PIECE, UH, THAT THE LETTERS ARE ON. WHAT IS THAT MATERIAL AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S ABLE TO BE PRESSURE WASHED OR, I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES HERE AGAIN. I DO. YEAH. SO WE VISITED A, UM, SIGN STORE IN KNOXVILLE TO LOOK AT THIS ACTUAL MATERIAL. AND IT IS, UM, FOR THE SMALLER SIGNS, IS THIS THE ONE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT FOR EITHER OF THEM? LET THE, THE BACKGROUND, THE BACKGROUND, THE LETTER EXPRESS WITH THE LETTER POSTED OUT? YES. SO IT IS A, UM, IT'S A STUCCO WHERE IT'S KIND OF LIKE PAINTED ON THERE. AND DALE WILL PROBABLY KNOW MORE BETTER THAN ABOUT THIS MAINTENANCE FOR WHETHER OR NOT THOSE CAN BE PRESSURE WASHED. BUT, UM, THAT MATERIAL IS WEATHERPROOF WHEN WE LOOKED INTO IT. IT, IT'S NOT, UM, THE WARRANTY DOESN'T INCLUDE WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE MATERIALS ON THE SMALLER SIDE. THE, THE PIECE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE BACKGROUND OF THE LETTERS ARE ON THERE. YES. TALKING ABOUT IT'S CONCRETE. THE WE GOT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT THAT'S CONCRETE. IT'S CONCRETE PAINTED THAT PAINTED CONCRETE. YEAH, THAT'S PAINTED CONCRETE. YEAH. I'M SORRY. YES. OKAY. THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE UR WASH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE PIECE, YOU KNOW, THAT OF ALL THE PARTS, I COULD SEE THAT BEING PROBABLY THE ONE PIECE THAT'S SUBJECT TO SOME MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. THE SMALLER SIGN THOUGH IS THE, THE POLYURETHANE THAT'S CORRECT. STUCK. YES. YEAH, THE SMALLER SIGN BLUE HAS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE GRAY AWAY. YEAH. SO LIGHTER MATERIALS, AND AGAIN, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR TDOT. SO I, I, LIKE I SAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT A COORDINATE WITH TDOT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, IT'LL CERTAINLY BE BUILT WITH THE BREAKAWAY POLES, WHICH IS THE, PROBABLY THE MAIN PART OF IT. BUT THERE'S STILL THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SOLID SURFACE THERE, EVEN IF IT IS, I MEAN, A CAR'S GONNA BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THAT ONE. SO THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION. BUT , I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE THE PROBLEM, BUT, UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WITH TDOT THEY'RE OKAY. 'CAUSE IT WILL BE IN THE CLEAR ZONE. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH, SOMEONE CAN BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THE BREAKAWAY SIGN, NOT SO BREAKAWAY, UH, MAGNOLIA TREE, . . GREAT POINT. GREAT POINT, MAYOR. OH NO, THEY MIGHT MAKE US TAKE THAT OUT. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, Y'ALL ARE FORTUNATE. THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE THERE THESE DAYS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE, UH, HOLLY, I SAY WE PRETTY BROADLY, HOLLY, UH, SENT A SURVEY OUT TO CHECK, UH, TO HELP YOU WITH TRYING TO SCHEDULE YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DINNERS. UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YOUR GUIDANCE HERE AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT. SO, AND HOLLY, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF I MISS SOMETHING HERE. BUT, UH, FIRST QUESTION, HOW WOULD YOU PREFER THESE DINNERS? UH, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU LIKE 'EM TO BE HELD? TWICE A YEAR. THREE TIMES A YEAR. QUARTERLY. AND THAT'S PRETTY DARN CONSISTENT ANYWAY. SO I THINK YOU CAN JUST CHOOSE THAT AND, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE. UM, CONSIDERING THE LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR, WHEN DO YOU FEEL THE DINNERS WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL? BEFORE THE SESSION BEGINS? EARLY IN THE SESSION, MID SESSION, POST SESSION, UH, SOMEWHERE FALL OUTSIDE OF ACTIVITY, UH, AND THEN OTHER. AND SO OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THE SESSION BEGINS, WORKS WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR, FOR MOST OF THE GROUP. AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO, YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT ANYWAY, FROM THE TIMING OF JUST PREPARING FOR THE SESSION. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. EARLY IN THE SESSION IS THE SECOND HIGHEST. IT DOESN'T SEPARATE A LOT, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY SECOND HIGHEST JANUARY TO FEBRUARY. AND YOU CAN SEE MID-SESSION, POST-SESSION. IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A POST-SESSION, UH, WHETHER YOU WANT A MID SESSION OR NOT. IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU AS WELL. BUT THOSE ARE THE FOUR TIMES THAT JUMP OUT THE MOST. AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PRE-SESSION, UH, IS THE MOST POPULAR. SO IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, HOW THEY SEE IT AS WELL. UH, LET'S SEE. UH, WHICH DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE YOU MOST AVAILABLE? WELL, I, I GUESS IT LOOKS LIKE WEDNESDAY IS SLIGHTLY BETTER, FOLLOWED BY TUESDAY. UH, AND THEN THURSDAY, MONDAYS ARE BAD. UM, IDEAL DURATION, ONE AND A HALF HOURS. SEE NOW THERE'S ONE. YOU DO HAVE CLEAR GUIDANCE. ONE AND A HALF HOURS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT. AND IT, AND IT CAME, IT CAME BACK. THINK THAT'S IT. LET'S SEE. UH, YOU'LL SEE, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT WE CAN GET YOU, WE'LL E SEND YOU THE EMAIL. HAVE YOU EVER SENT THAT HOLLY? UH, THEY HAVE IT IN FRONT. OH, YOU HAVE? IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE. SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY. YOU CAN GO LOOK AT THAT AND WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS. BUT, UM, [01:00:01] THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE. IF YOU GO BACK TO NUMBER TWO, CONSIDERING WHEN YOU WANT TO HAVE THE DINNER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE DINNER THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, PROBABLY YEAH, , YOU KNOW, IT'S, I GUESS DOES THIS JUST POSITION THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY GO FROM THERE OR, YEAH, I THINK, I GUESS I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ONE PRE-SESSION BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST TIME TO PREPARE FOR WHAT, WHAT TO EXPECT, RIGHT? AND IT DOES SEEM TO AS MUCH AS ANY OF THESE, UH, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S AS MUCH AS THERE'S ANY DIFFERENTIATION, YOU HAVE 13 OUT OF THE GROUP THAT SAID BEFORE THE SESSION, SO CLEARLY, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. AND, AND GIVING THIS FEEDBACK. AND, AND JUST IN TERMS OF PRACTICAL REALITIES AS WELL AS THE SCHEDULES, I'D ALMOST SAY, I MEAN, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS GETTING TOGETHER IN NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAYS ISH, BUT NOT QUITE THE HOLIDAYS. SO GETTING TOGETHER IN NOVEMBER FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, PROBABLY ON A WEDNESDAY, BUT PUT BY AIR, DEPENDING ON CALENDARS, AND THEN GETTING TOGETHER IN MAY ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER AFTER THE SESSION. UH, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ON A WEDNESDAY, AN HOUR AND A HALF. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I ONLY DO IT TWICE A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M JUST, I THINK I'LL DO IT THREE TIMES A YEAR. WELL, WE COULD POSSIBLY THE QUESTION, SO, SO SAY IF WE HAVE THOSE TWO THINGS, WHERE WOULD YOU ADD THE THIRD ONE? SO I WOULD, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE ONE IN FEBRUARY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, THIS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE PART OF THIS TOO, RIGHT? WHICH IS YEAR ROUND. SO I, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, I AGREE WITH NOVEMBER AND LIKE A MAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE KEEPING IN TOUCH WITH COUNTY, BUT I THINK SO THAT WE'RE NOT SURPRISED AGAIN, UM, THAT IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE ONE IN FEBRUARY. SURPRISED AGAIN, I MEAN, MEAN LIKE SUBMITTING LEGISLATION APPLIES, ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE IT ACTUALLY ALL THE SURPRISES. I DON'T KNOW. THE MEETING WOULD SAVE US FROM THAT, BUT TO KNOW, BUT TO KNOW ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. ALL THE SURPRISES OF THE LEGISLATURE USUALLY COME WITHIN ONE WEEK IN APRIL. YEAH. BECAUSE MOST OF THE SURPRISES ARE FILED LIKE RIGHT AT DEADLINE, AND THEN THEY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY VOTE ON IT. AND SO I PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW. AND SOMETIMES THE LEGISLATORS ARE SO BUSY, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE LIKE JACK JOHNSON THAT ARE IN LEADERSHIP, THEY'RE GOING LIKE 18 HOURS A DAY. THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE THE MEETING ANYWAY. WELL, ALSO WE ARE TALKING WHAT TWO LEGISLATORS AND WE'RE TALKING SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNTY COMMISSION THAT WE WORK ON WITH OUR LOCAL ISSUES A LOT MORE. SO I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD AIM EVERYTHING AT WHAT THOSE TWO LEGISLATORS ARE DOING. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S SURE. MAYBE THREE TIMES A YEAR. SO NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY, MAY, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YES. KEEP IN TOUCH. CONSENSUS ASIDE WITH THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO SUMMARIZE, NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY, MAY, WEDNESDAYS ONE AND A HALF HOURS. ESPECIALLY IF WE GO AT THE END OF, IF WE GO AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, THAT WOULD SPREAD IT OUT. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T EVEN FILM SPECIFIC, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER FOR ONE FIRST TWO WEEKS SO THAT YOU MISS THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAYS AND RIGHT. AND EVERY DAY. CERTAINLY. SO, YOU KNOW, GO SOMEWHERE IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF NOVEMBER, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF FEBRUARY. WELL, IT CAN'T 'CAUSE OF THE END. THAT'S THE HISTORY FILE, RIGHT? WELL, NOT THAT THURSDAY. RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY NOT FEBRUARY 26TH, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE THIRD WEEK OF FEBRUARY. YEAH, THAT'S LIKE THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE LAST RIGHT. AND THEN, AND THEN MAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOTTA BE PROM AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, GRADUATIONS DO IT PROS AND GRADUATIONS POSSIBLE. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE THE SECOND WEEK IN MAY BECAUSE YOU'LL BE PAST ELECTION DAY IN MAY, WHETHER IT'S PRIMARIES OH, SURE. OR OUR CITY ELECTIONS OR WHATEVER. BUT BEFORE WE'RE ALREADY INTENSIVELY INTO BUDGET SEASON AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. BUT I THINK IN FEBRUARY THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR INITIAL BUDGET MEETING AT THE END OF JANUARY, SO THAT'S ALREADY IN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGET MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY. THEY USUALLY, THE NEXT ONE'S NOT USUALLY TILL MARCH. AND THEN WE HAVE THE BIG ONE, UH, IN MAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE SECOND ONE'S IN APRIL. I FORGET WHAT IT WAS THIS YEAR, BUT, UH, SO I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON FIRST PART OF NOVEMBER, NO LATER THAN THE THIRD WEEK OF FEBRUARY. AND THEN PROBABLY NEEDS TO PINPOINT THE SECOND WEEK IN MAY AFTER THE ELECTIONS. AND SO WE'LL HAVE A HUGE PRIMARY AND SO ANY COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER OR WHATEVER THAT'S RUNNING, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA COME TO OUR, THEY MIGHT, BUT THEY, THEY'LL BE SO BUSY. RIGHT. IF WE HAVE IT FIRST YEAH. BE BUSY. SO, SO THAT WOULD BE THE 14TH. THIS MAY. YEAH. SO EARLY NOVEMBER, LATE FEBRUARY. AND BASICALLY SANDWICHED BETWEEN [01:05:01] ELECTION AND GRADUATION AND MAY EARLY, NOT THE LAST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE THAT WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE THURSDAY SHE AND RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S BUSY, BUSY, BUSY GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT NIGHT. YEAH. WE DO NEED TO CHECK WILLIAMSON COUNTY THE THIRD WEEK OF FEBRUARY GRADUATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S, I JUST, WHEN WE THINKING, I THINK THAT'LL GET US CLOSE ENOUGH. USUALLY DODGE, DODGE, THE, THE CONFLICTS THERE, WE THINKING WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. YEAH, I THINK WE SAID WEDNESDAY AND IT SEEMS TO, SO THAT WOULD BE MAY 13TH, UH, LET'S SEE HERE. IT SEEMS TO MATCH WEDNESDAY WOULD MATCH UP COUNTY GRADUATIONS ALMOST ALWAYS. MEMORIAL DAY. SAY, SAY GRADUATES THE WEEKEND BEFORE. IT WAS EVEN WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL. . YEAH. SO THAT MAKE SENSE. LET'S GIVE IT A TRY. YEAH. WE ALWAYS CHANGE IT NEXT YEAR. YEP. OKAY. VERY GOOD. APPRECIATE THAT. THAT MEANS THE NEXT ONE'S COMING RIGHT UP. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND YOU'RE READY TO CHANGE PRESENTATIONS OVER YEAH, E-BIKES WILL GO, THAT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE, SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE VETERANS' MONUMENT. AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WHILE, WHILE JAY'S CHANGING OVER THE PRESENTATIONS, UH, KIND OF GET IT INTRODUCED A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COMMITTEE DID A LOT OF WORK, CONSULTANT DID A LOT OF WORK, AND, UH, WE'LL INTRODUCE THE CONSULTANT HERE, UH, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, IS WE REALIZED FROM THE LAST MEETING, PERHAPS THE EXPECTATIONS, UH, WERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, COMING IN FROM WHAT, UH, MAY PERHAPS THE COMMISSIONS ORIGINAL EXPECTATIONS WERE VERSUS PERHAPS WHAT YOU SAW. SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MELD THAT CONVERSATION AND REESTABLISH WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS SO THAT WHEN WE, AND IDEALLY WE WALK AWAY FROM THIS MEETING AND WE SAY, IF THERE'S A PRICE RANGE OR A PRICE POINT THAT YOU'VE AGREED ON IT, AND THE COMMITTEE AND THE CONSULTANT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TARGET THAT THEY NEED TO HIT WITH THAT. AND SO WE FEEL, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A, A GOOD CONVERSATION EARLY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THESE, THESE PROJECTS SOMETIMES TAKE SOME TIME AND THE WHOLE KEY IS TO GET IT RIGHT. YES. WELL, AND JASON, IF I COULD, I MEAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER A COUPLE THINGS JUST FROM, FROM THE LAST BRIEFING. AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THE BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, BACK, BACK IN DECEMBER AND SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND RAY AND THAT HOT COMMITTEE SPOKE ABOUT IT. AND KEN LAST WEEK HE PUT OUT A, A NEWSLETTER WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. AND THEN I GUESS SOME FOLKS TOOK THAT ONTO SOCIAL MEDIA TO, TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DEBATE ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT IT. SO WILL THE COMMISSION I SHARED WITH Y'ALL A LINK TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA DEBATE? BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO GET BLINDSIDED. WELL, YOU KNOW, JASON WAS OUT OF TOWN, BUT JAY'S IN TOWN AND THE COMMISSIONERS HERE, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS. UM, CERTAINLY NOT ASKING FOR A VOTE, BUT JUST TO, TO GIVE PEOPLE A HEADS UP. BUT I, I'D BE INTERESTED, CAN YOU EXPRESS SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS? ONE OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CALLED OUT IN YOUR NEWSLETTER, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRICE AND YOU COMPARED IT TO THE PRICE OF A PARK. AND I, I WONDER IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, WHAT YOU'RE CONCERN IS THERE. YEAH. UM, WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED, MY, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE FOUR AND A FOUR AND HALF MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER WENT UP THERE, I THINK WE WERE SURPRISED YOU EVEN COMMENTED DURING THE MEETINGS. UN MM-HMM . YOU JUST WENT, WHOA. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE WAS A BRIEF COMMENT LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE THAT MUCH MONEY. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE JASON SAID, I, I'M AFRAID IF WE DIDN'T SET EXPECTATIONS OUT TO BEGIN WITH, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN. BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. AND SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WRITE IT TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS I HAD, I WROTE IT TO HAVE WHAT WAS GOING ON, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE PUBLIC NEEDED TO KNOW. I MEAN, WE LEARNED LAST YEAR IF WE LEARNED ANYTHING, THEY WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT, THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING IS LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST LAY THIS OUT AND SEE, WE GOT A REALLY GOOD LETTER THIS, THIS WEEK FROM ONE OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND SHE BROUGHT UP GREAT POINTS, AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THIS. YEAH. WELL, AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE, BECAUSE THE, THE DISCUSSION I THOUGHT WE HAD IN THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WAS AD HOC COMMITTEE BROUGHT SOME DIFFERENT PLANS THAT THEY'RE FUNDRAISING AROUND WHERE THE COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO $50,000 OF, OF INITIAL DESIGN AND WHATNOT. AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE PRIVATELY FUNDED. AND I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IN DECEMBER WAS ABOUT, OKAY, HOW MUCH PRIVATE FUNDRAISING CAN THEY DO THAT HELPS DICTATE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT? NOT A CITY BOAT, NOT TAXPAYER MONEY, BUT THE, THE FUNDRAISING THEY CAN DO. AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME ABOUT LIKE WHEN WOULD GO NO GO BE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY CAN THEY RAISE? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SPOKE SPECIFICALLY, I BELIEVE, ABOUT SCALING THE PROJECT TO TRY TO MEET THE BUDGET. SO I MEAN, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WENT, RIGHT, BECAUSE IF I READ YOUR NEWSLETTER, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WAS A [01:10:01] TAX FUNDED PROJECT. LIKE WE DON'T, DON'T, BUT NO MONEY HAS BEEN THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN THAT SAYS THIS IS, THIS IS ALL RAISED MONEY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. THERE'S BEEN SOME GENERAL DISCUSSIONS, BUT THERE'S BEEN NOTHING THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN. I GUESS THAT'S WHY I GO BACK, LET'S DEFINE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. AND EVEN IF IT IS ALL DONATIONS, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO DONATE AND BUILD IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO APPROVE. WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS TOO. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. LET'S, LET'S TALK AT THIS. I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THAT NUMBER. AND I ASKED JASON RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING, I SAID I WAS SHOCKED AT THAT AS I THOUGHT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WERE. AND I ASKED, I SAID, CAN WE JUST SEND A NOTE OUT AND SAY, ARE WE JUST TOO HIGH ON THIS NUMBER? AND WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT. AND, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM. WELL, FAIR ENOUGH. AND 'CAUSE I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IN THE COMMISSION AND OR BRIEFING WAS THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME UP AND THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS DOING WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO COME WITH SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. AND THEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE CONCEPT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED TO MEET THE AVAILABLE BUDGET FROM PRIVATE FUNDRAISING AND THAT IT WAS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS AND THAT IT'S, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A NUMBER THE COMMISSION WAS NECESSARILY SETTING THE CEILING ON, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE SET BECAUSE WE'D HAVE A MEASURE OF THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I I, I JUST, I, I, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE NEWSLETTER, IF, IF I READ THE NEWSLETTER, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WAS A COMPLETELY TAX FUNDER PROJECT AND THAT, AND THAT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS REFLECTION OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AS A FULL COMMISSION OF THE BRIEFING. UM, I WAS ALSO A LITTLE CONCERNED 'CAUSE IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING IN PARTICULAR, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALSO IN THE BRIEFING, BUT WHEN WE DID SITE SELECTION AS A COMMISSION, I THOUGHT THAT PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WAS LOOKING AT SITES THAT WERE PROXIMATE TO EXISTING PARKING AND THAT WERE APPROXIMATE TO EXISTING BATHROOM FACILITIES. SO AS A WAY TO KEEP THE COST UNDER CONTROL. SO WHEN I READ YOUR NEWSLETTER, I WASN'T SURE HOW TO SQUARE, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT COST WITH NOT, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS TRYING TO BUILD A DEDICATED PARKING LOT FOR IT THAT WAS A DA COMPLIANT AND NOT LEVERAGING THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AND EXISTING FACILITIES, WHICH KIND OF GOES CONTRARY TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT COST. I, I THINK UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY PICK THE SPOT AND THEN YOU SEE WHERE IT WAS, AND THEN YOU REALIZE HOW FAR IT IS FROM THE PARKING LOT AT, AT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AND, AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK AND I'M GONNA SAY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT VISIT, THIS WOULD BE VETERANS AND THEY MIGHT BE DISABLED VETERANS. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS WE CAN. AND WE NEVER SAID WE WEREN'T GONNA PUT ANY PARKING. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE DESIGNED SOME OF THAT IN THERE. AGAIN, A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON THE COMMITTEE CALLED ME AFTERWARDS AND SAID, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT. SO AGAIN, THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. WELL, I FELT LIKE, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO WHETHER THIS NEWSLETTER SHOULD HAVE GONE OUT OR NOT. UH, OUR MEETING LAST TIME WAS TO TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK WE ALL SAID I HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH IT. MONEY BEING ONE SIZE BEING ANOTHER, DESIGN BEING ANOTHER. I, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE I LIKED ABOUT WHAT I SAW, BUT I THOUGHT THE CON DISCUSSIONS WOULD CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD HEAR. AND WE SORT OF PUT THEM IN A BAD SPOT, I THOUGHT, BECAUSE WE SAID, BRING US AN IDEA. AND THEY SAID, WELL, HOW MUCH? AND THEN SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, WE, I THINK WE SAID, SHOW US WHAT X NUMBER OF DOLLARS WE'LL PAY FOR. AND SO THEY DID. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO SCALE BACK. 'CAUSE THEY KEPT SAYING TO US, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND WE WERE SAYING, WELL, WE WANT YOUR IDEAS. EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO BE NICE TO EVERYBODY ELSE. AND I THINK THAT ALL WE NEED TO DO NOW IS SAY, WELL, THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE SORT OF FIGURED OUT. AND TO RESPOND TO YOUR THING ABOUT, WELL YOU ASKED, SEND OUT A NOTE, ASK. NOW, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO, WE CAN'T SEND OUT NOTES AND ASK COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT. IT'S FINE TO DO AT A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY THE ANSWER WAS NO, WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T WITHOUT VIOLATING SOME [01:15:01] KIND OF A RULE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, I'M WILLING TO SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. AND, UM, I AGREE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT. UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE WHOLE BRASSY AREA AS THE MONUMENT. I MEAN, AND, AND MAYBE I'M JUST BEING NARROW MINDED, BUT I WASN'T PICTURING A TAJ MAHAL KIND OF THING. I AGREE. JUST A MONUMENT THAT LIKE THAT BEN FRANKLIN STATUE DOWN IN FRANKLIN. I'M NOT SAYING SOMETHING THAT'S SIMPLE, BUT THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES AND IT'S SO SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT JUST CAPTURES WHAT THEY ARE TRYING, IT SIGNIFIES WHAT THE MESSAGE THERE SAYING, OURS IS WHAT OUR CITY'S NAMED AFTER. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE POLITICAL, NOT ON THE BACKS OF VETERANS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AMEN. I DON'T THINK YOU WANTED IT THAT WAY. WE DON'T WANT IT THAT WAY. AND THE COMMITTEE CERTAINLY DOESN'T WANT IT THAT WAY. SO IF I, IF I COULD, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE JAY GO THROUGH AND I THINK, UH, IT'LL HELP YOU. LET ME THROW OUT SOME THINGS AND SEE IF THEY MAKE SENSE TO YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE, YES, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER GAR. SORRY, I WAS JUST GONNA JUST ADD ONE THING. AND I AGREE AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, I DO FEEL LIKE IN THE NEWSLETTER I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CONTACT ME SAYING, HOW COME THE CITY'S SPENDING THIS MUCH AND WHAT'S GOING ON? AND I DO FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOUR CITY EMAIL, IT SEEMED VERY LIKE YOU WERE SPEAKING, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND WHETHER YOU INTENTIONALLY MEANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT OR IF IT WAS JUST HOW THEY CONSTRUED IT, I FEEL LIKE IT PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT ALARMED A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THEN I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE TOOK WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS HAPPENING AND SENT IT OUT TO THEIR PEOPLE. AND SO I, I FEEL I'M FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER THAT'S NOT POLITICAL HAS NOW BECOME POLITICAL BECAUSE OF HOW YOUR NEWSLETTER, WHETHER IT WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, HOW IT WAS WORDED. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEND OUT A CORRECTION SAYING THE CITY IS NOT FOOTING THE BILL FOR THIS. WE'RE WORKING ON THIS, WE'RE STILL IN THE STAGES OF COMING UP WITH IDEAS AND FINDING HOW TO DO THIS. BUT I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF UNNECESSARY EMOTIONS THAT, WELL, THAT'S NOT, THAT WAS NOT THE INTENTION. IT WAS SPENT. AND THAT WAS ALSO MEANT TO BE INFORMATIONAL BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THE DEMISE OF THE NEWS, NEWS REPORTING. OKAY. WHEN I FIRST BECAME A COMMISSIONER, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A REPORTER SITTING HERE AND THEY WOULD'VE TAKEN NOTES AND THEY WOULD'VE SENT OUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AFTERWARDS. NOW THERE'S NOBODY THERE. AND, AND SO YOU GO FROM PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I USED TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THIS. THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT COME TO YOU AND GO, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW Y'ALL WERE CONSIDERING A VETERAN'S MONUMENT. SO SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME INFORMATION ON IT THAT GOES IN THERE. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO. I THINK THE CITIZENS DESERVE TO KNOW. AND THERE, I, I DON'T THERE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT, BEEN ONE OTHER ARTICLE I THINK WRITTEN ON THIS. SO, UH, BETH WAS JUST, I WASN'T TRYING TO DO ANYTHING, UH, ON THAT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. WELL, IT'S THE REEDUCATING FROM PEOPLE THAT PICKED UP ON IT THAT'S CREATING THE PROBLEMS. SO THERE, YEAH, JUST THE WAY IT WAS WORDED. I MEAN, IT, I HAD PEOPLE WHO KNEW THAT WE WERE DOING IT, WHO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS ALL THE TIME. AND HE CALLED AND HE'S LIKE, WHAT? SO, I MEAN, I DON'T, IT JUST, AND THEN COMING FROM YOUR EMAIL, I THINK IT MADE IT SEEM VERY OFFICIAL. LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT WASN'T, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS, IT JUST WAS, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T, UM, MAYBE, UM, INFORMED ON WHERE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS. SO, SO PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR RESET, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND SO LET ME, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS WE AGREE ON AND THERE'S SOME THINGS WE JUST DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? SO I, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON IS WHATEVER YOU END UP WITH, YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BE PROUD OF, OUR VETERANS CAN BE PROUD OF AND OUR COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF. NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR. UM, I THINK AT, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S A FULLY, WITH WITH EXCEPTION OF THIS MONEY THE CITY ALREADY HAS IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS PRIMARILY GOING INTO THIS PRE-DESIGN AND DESIGN, BUT THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A FULLY PRIVATELY FUNDED PROJECT. I, TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT, BEFORE ANYONE WOULD RAISE MONEY FOR A PROJECT, AND, AND THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT I'VE HEARD. AND SO IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE THAT. AND THEN BASED ON THAT, AND AGAIN, NOT YET KNOWING THE SCOPE, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETIMES THINGS ARE, AND I SEE IT ALL THE TIME, FAR MORE [01:20:01] EXPENSIVE THAN I THINK THEY SHOULD BE FOR WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET. THAT'S JUST LIFE. AND AND THAT'LL BE A PART OF WHAT, WHAT PROBABLY HELPS YOU DETERMINE THAT SCALE, UM, IN REALIZING THAT WHATEVER THAT SCALE IS AND WHATEVER IT COSTS, IT IS A PRIVATELY FUNDRAISED PROJECT. AND SO THERE'S A THOUGHT OF WHAT IS A, UH, REALISTIC DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR FUNDRAISING THAT CAN BE COLLECTED IN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT UNKNOWN TOO. UH, IT REALLY IS. WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT AT LEAST SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A RA MY FUNDRAISING IS A, IS IS A LITTLE BIT OF SCIENCE AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF ART FOR WHEN YOU TALK TO THOSE WHO DO IT PROFESSIONALLY, RIGHT? AND SO USUALLY ON A FUNDRAISE PROJECT, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT CONCEPT READY TO GO AND YOU'RE READY TO GO OUT AND MARKET FOR FUNDRAISING, THE QUIET PART OF THAT, YOU'LL COLLECT AT LEAST HALF OF THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET BEFORE YOU EVEN REALLY OPEN UP A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUNDRAISING. THEN YOU'LL FILL IN THE DIFFERENCE. SOMETIMES IT'S 60, EVEN 70%. UM, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE PLAN FOR FUNDRAISING. SO ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, AS THIS PROGRESSES, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HERE TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS, RIGHT? BUT AS IT PROGRESSES AND YOU GET, AND YOU WILL GET TO A POINT THAT YOU SAY THAT'S A GOOD CONCEPT, IT FITS THOSE EXPECTATIONS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE RAY AND THE COMMITTEE WORK AND COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW THE FUNDRAISING SHOULD OCCUR THAT YOU COME BACK AND APPROVE, UH, THAT MAKES SURE THAT YOU, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, SCATTERED FUNDRAISING AND THAT YOU APPROVE ON THE, IT'S A STRATEGY. IT'S NOT THE DETAILS OF EVERYONE WHO'S GONNA BE CONTACTED, BUT IT'S A GENERAL STRATEGY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. AND THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, UH, YOU KNOW, GO YOU THEREFORE, AND, AND DO IT. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THEM WORK ON THAT STRATEGY IN THE MEANTIME AND BRING THAT TO YOU AND, AND YOU APPROVE THAT STRATEGY. AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK AS, AGAIN, THE HARDEST PART IS WHAT'S THE SCOPE, WHAT'S THE PRICE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UH, PERHAPS THE EXPECTATIONS WERE QUITE ALIGNMENT LAST TIME. BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THESE ARE HARDER PROJECTS. IT'S NOT QUITE AS EASY AS BUILDING A STREET OR PUTTING IN WATER LINES OR SEWER LINES. AND THAT'S OKAY. I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO ALL SAY IT'S OKAY. SOMETIMES YOU JUST DON'T LINE UP INITIALLY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LINE UP. AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK JAY HAS SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND PICTURES TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU CAN GET FOR DOLLARS. AND WHEN WE LEAVE TODAY, WHAT WE HOPE WE CAN LEAVE WITH, UH, IS CONSENSUS ON GENERALLY BASED AGAIN ON THE THOUGHT, PRIVATELY FUNDED, UH, FUNDRAISED, WHAT IS A A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'D LIKE THEM TO STAY WITHIN. AND THAT HELPS THE COMMITTEE AND THE DESIGNER. OKAY, BEFORE WE GET SPECIFICS, CAN YOU JUST TELL US, I, I, I, AT SOME POINT IN ALL THIS DISCUSSION, SOMETHING ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE FOR THE SITE. LIKE, DO WE HAVE DEFINITIVE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE, THIS IS THE MONUMENT SO THAT, 'CAUSE IT, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE, UM, WITH SOME OF THOSE FIRST DESIGNS, THERE WAS A NEED TO FILL THE SPACE, RIGHT? SO IT LIKE, IS THAT WHOLE WHATEVER IT IS, A THIRD, AN ACRE, WHATEVER, UM, IT DOES, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE SCOPE OF THE MONUMENT? SO EVEN IF THEY JUST PUT SOMETHING SMALLER IN, THEY ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REST OF THAT LAND THAT WE HAVE TO, TO LANDSCAPE IT? OR CAN WE JUST USE A PART OF IT? NO, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. OKAY. YEAH. GOING IN THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THE SPOT THAT WAS CHOSE UP NEXT TO THE LAKE AND THE HEADQUARTERS THAT IT SHOULD BE. BUT WE OBVIOUSLY GATHERED FROM THE DISCUSSION IN DECEMBER THAT MAYBE THAT WAS NOT THE DESIRE AND THAT MAYBE Y'ALL WANTED IT CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT AREA OR WHATEVER. THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED. OKAY. I'LL JUST PAUSE EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. AND I'VE WORKED WITH THEM REALLY HARD. WE'VE NOT MET SINCE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DIRECTION. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S SILLY FOR US TO SPECULATE ON THIS AND THAT, SO LET'S DO, AND THEY WORKED REALLY HARD THIS FALL. YES, YES. AND BEING ON A COMMITTEE, AND I'VE BEEN ON A LOT OF 'EM, THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. THERE'S NOBODY ON THE COMMITTEE THAT SEEKS RECOGNITION. THEY SIMPLY WANT TO SHOW LOVE AND HONOR TO THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED OUR NATION IN THE PAST, SERVE OUR NATION NOW AND HOPEFULLY INSPIRE THE NEXT GENERATION TO WANT TO SERVE. BECAUSE IN A FALLEN WORLD, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE STRENGTH OR YOU DON'T SURVIVE. AND THAT IS TRUE. THERE'S ONLY PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH. AND SO WE HOPE TO INSPIRE COMING GENERATIONS OF GREAT TALENTED PEOPLE. AND WE'VE HAD MANY FROM BRENTWOOD, EVEN IN THE RECENT PAST, SERVE OUR MILITARY THAT COULD HAVE GONE IN OTHER AREAS WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT SERVED OUR NATION. SO THAT'S PART THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE DESIRE OF THE COMMITTEE AS WE COORDINATED WHAT WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. WE ALSO WANT IT TO BE SPECIAL. BRENTWOOD IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE AND BRENTWOODS HISTORY IS VERY SPECIAL IN SERVING OUR NATION. [01:25:01] AND SO WE WANTED IT TO BE UNIQUELY BRENTWOOD. AND THAT WAS KIND OF, I KIND OF SENSED THAT Y'ALL WOULD TOO AND SPECIAL, NOT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. AFTER LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSIONS IN DECEMBER, AFTER WE PRESENTED THE INITIAL, I DID FEEL THAT UM, THEY STILL PROBABLY WOULD DESIRE THOSE THINGS AS WELL. BUT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T WANT THE SCOPE AS MUCH. NOW ULTIMATELY OUR COMMITTEE IS DOING THIS IN SERVICE TO BRENTWOOD AND THE CITIZENS, BUT ULTIMATELY THE CITIZENS WILL DETERMINE, UM, IF THEY WANT TO FUND IT, IF THEY DESIRE FOR US TO HAVE AN HONORING OF VETERANS. THAT'S WHY I FELT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO DO THIS THROUGH FUNDRAISING, THAT IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT JUST PUTTING SOMETHING UP BECAUSE PEOPLE SO QUICKLY FORGET THAT IT'S GOVERNMENT, OTHER PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. AND SO FROM MANY OBSERVATIONS OF MY YEARS ON EARTH, WHEN THE COMMUNITY PUTS INTO A PROJECT, THE PROJECT TENDS TO BE MORE LOVED AND MORE NOTICED AND MORE ATTENDED TO. 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, NONE OF US WANNA PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT NOBODY EVER VISITS OR IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEANING FOR ANYBODY OR WHATEVER. AND SO I'M MAYBE NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER, BUT I THINK I AM FROM THEIR RESPONSES AND REACTIONS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING. BUT THEIR DESIRE IS FOR Y'ALL TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE DO AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE BRENTWOOD CITIZENS TO BE VERY HAPPY AND THE BRENTWOOD BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UM, ALL OF THAT GOES INTO THE FUNDRAISING. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL ENOUGH THAT YOUR BIG DONORS WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND WHAT THAT IS, WE DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S, WE'RE HOPING TO GET INSTRUCTION TODAY. THAT'S WHY CHRIS IS HERE. UH, AND, AND, AND JEFF IS HERE. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS 'CAUSE I I DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO ALL MEET. BUT, UM, THE, SO YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE GREAT AND THEY, UM, WE WANT WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE REALLY, REALLY NICE AND REALLY SPECIAL. WHETHER IT'S SMALL OR NOT, THE SIZE IS NOT AS IMPORTANT. I WILL SAY GOING IN, WE FELT LIKE WE DID NEED TO FILL THAT SPOT. BUT IF THE COMMISSION'S LIKE, NO, NO, THE LAND CAN STILL BE PRETTY IN ALL THE GRASS, BUT WE WANT IT IN A SMALLER AREA AND WE WANT IT AT, YOU KNOW, THIS COST OR THAT COST AND Y'ALL MAY WANT TO GIVE US A RANGE, BUT YOU'RE LIKE, WE REALLY DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ABOVE THIS AMOUNT. WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL SHOOT TO DO THE BEST PROJECT FOR THE BEST MONEY. AND I WILL SAY THE COMMITTEE, UM, NEVER WAS ABOUT SPENDING MONEY AND ACTUALLY WAS VERY CONSCIOUS THAT WE HAVE THIS HEAVY WEIGHT ON OUR SHOULDER TO RAISE MONEY. SO IF WE COULD HAVE DONE IT REALLY SPECIAL FOR OUR 200,000 OR 700,000 GOING IN, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM ALL OF MY STUDY BEFORE I WAS EVER EVEN PUT ON THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WHEN THIS WAS FIRST DISCUSSED, I GUESS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LESS THAN 700,000 TO 1.5 MILLION JUST FROM WHAT I SAW OUT THERE. THAT WAS NICE. THAT WOULD REP, YOU KNOW, BE SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO PUT IN BRENTWOOD. BUT WE, THAT'S THE DIRECTION AND, AND HOPEFULLY WHAT I'M TELLING Y'ALL IS HELPING, THOSE ARE THE DIRECTIONS WE WANT. AND THEN THE COMMITTEE AND THE DESIGNERS WILL BETTER KNOW OUR INITIAL THING, WHICH I HAVE HERE. IT DIDN'T COVER ALL OF THAT. IT COVERED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT COST. SO WE WERE KIND OF GOING, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS WANTED. WELL, UNTIL Y'ALL ARE PLEASED WITH IT, WE CAN'T GO TO THE NEXT STEP. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR IS WHAT, AND IT MAY NOT EVEN BE TELL US ALL TODAY, BUT UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WE DO WANT TO GET BACK TO MEETING AND, AND DO SO, SO, AND I THINK JANET, THAT THE, IN THE END WHEN YOU GUYS PROVIDE THAT KIND OF FINAL DIRECTION ON, ON THE TOTAL THAT YOU THINK IS REASONABLE FOR FUNDRAISING, THAT YOU WANT 'EM TO WORK WITHIN, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY IT HAS TO COVER ALL THE PROPERTY. I THINK IF THERE'S ANY, IF THERE IS A QUESTION ON THE, AND I, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL DICTATE THE SPACE TO SOME DEGREE WITH THAT BUDGET, BUT I THINK THERE IS A QUESTION OF DO YOU WANT ANY OR SOME INTERACTION WITH THE WATER? RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT AND THAT, THAT PROMPTS IT. NOW THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG PART OF THE PROJECT AT ALL. YOU MAY NOT EVEN WANT THAT, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THAT WATER. IT'S A GREAT ASSET IF YOU WANT IT TO CONNECT IN SOME WAY, EVEN IF IT'S A SIDEWALK AND A PLACE TO SET AND LOOK AT THE WATER, YOU COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE FACTORS. SO JAY, WHY DON'T YOU GO IN AND WE'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THIS IS, THIS IS TO HELP YOU KIND OF MAYBE BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT [01:30:01] YOU GET FOR THE, FOR THE DOLLAR. AND I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IN MY CAREER, THROUGHOUT MY WHOLE CAREER, I'VE LOOKED AT LOTS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND I'VE SENT THAT COST. WHAT JUST THE REALITY OF IT, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU GET FOR THE DOLLAR. SO JAKE, SO COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE BOTH THIS POWERPOINT AS WELL AS A WORD DOCUMENT THAT HAS INFORMATION THAT CHRIS PULLED TOGETHER ON SOME PROJECTS. AND SO I MAY WANNA PULL UP THE OTHER ONE AS WELL. THIS IS JUST TO INFORM YOU ON, UH, AN IDEA OF SIZE AND SCALE VERSUS THE, THE CONSTRUCTION PRICE WITH THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE COULD GET THAT WAS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET. IT MAY NOT BE EXACT. WE DID TRY TO SCALE UP THE COST OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS TO TODAY'S DOLLARS. IT WAS DONE WITH THE GENERAL CPI, WHICH MAY NOT BE INDICATIVE OF CONSTRUCTION PRICES, BUT IT, YOU, YOU, SO YOU CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT FUDGE FACTOR TO EVERY DOLLAR NUMBER THAT WHERE WE SAY IN 2020 $6. UM, BUT WE DID OUR BEST TO TRY AND SHOW YOU A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR MONEY WILL BUY. PICKING A NUMBER OUT OF THE AIR ISN'T GONNA DO ANYTHING IF WE BUILD TO IT. AND LIKE, BOY, THAT'S UNDERWHELMING. SO HOPEFULLY THIS'LL HELP YOU GONNA SEND US THIS. I CAN'T CERTAINLY LET ME FINALLY COULD PRINT IT. THAT'D BE GREAT. SO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE, OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE TWO DESIGNS THAT THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, THE ARCHITECT CAME UP WITH, UH, ONE OF WHICH IS THE REFLECTIVE EXPLORATION, WHICH WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE LEFT, THE STRUCTURED FOCUS ON THE RIGHT. UH, ONE IS MORE INTERPRETIVE, ONE IS MORE, UM, PERHAPS DIRECT AND OBVIOUS IN ITS MEANING. UM, AND OF COURSE THOSE ARE THE COSTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE, UM, A LITTLE OUTSIZED I THINK BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO WHAT DO PROJECTS OF SMALLER SCALE AND SIZE LOOK LIKE? THIS IS HOW WE GOT THE NUMBER IN THE CIP. UM, AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, THE PREVIOUS CITY COMMISSION BEFORE THE ELECTION. AND WHEN THE SUBJECT FIRST CAME UP, WE WENT OUT AND DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND WE SAID, OKAY, IS THIS KIND OF THE SIZE AND SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF? AND HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT WE KIND OF THOUGHT AT THAT TIME THAT MIGHT BE REPRESENTATIVE. AND IT WAS $78,000 IN 2004 SINCE SEYMOUR INDIANA AND YOU'D SCALE THAT UP $135,000 TODAY, CALL IT 150. WE PUT 200 IN THE BUDGET TO INCLUDE DESIGN. UH, AND 50,000 OF THAT WAS THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TOWARD DESIGN. AND THE OTHER 150 WAS TO BE PRIVATELY RAISED. BUT THOSE WERE VERY BALLPARK NUMBERS JUST WITH NO MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAD AT THE TIME. NO COMMITTEE OR ANYTHING. THAT'S HOW THOSE NUMBERS GOT THERE IN THE CIP. SO LOOKING AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES, THIS IS WAMEGO AREA VETERANS MEMORIAL IN WAMEGO, KANSAS BUILT IN 2016 AT A COST OF $250,000. SCALE THAT UP, MAYBE ABOUT $350,000 TODAY COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FAIRLY SMALL. UM, NOT ABLE TO REALLY TELL WHAT THIS IS, IF IT'S SOIL OR DIRT, IF THERE'S PLANTINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING IN THERE. UM, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THAT TOO? THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THIS. AND, AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, GRANITE MONUMENT WITH UH, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL, UM, HONORING OF VARIOUS VETERANS I'M SURE FROM VARIOUS CAMPAIGNS, UM, AND THE EMBLEMS OF THE SERVICES. BUT, UH, VERY, I THINK STANDARD VETERANS MEMORIAL SMALLER IN SCALE. ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL AS YOU LOOK AT THESE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE, IT IS PRETTY NICE WHEN YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT JUST SOMEONE DRIVING UP, GOING TO ENJOY IT, YOUR FLAT SPACE IS PROBABLY FINE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR ANNUAL VETERANS EVENTS AND WHAT THAT COULD BE, YOU PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE FLAT SPACE TO FULLY ACCOMMODATE, WHETHER IT'S SINGERS, PEOPLE PARTICIPATING, VETERANS, ALL THOSE FOLKS IN THAT. SO JUST, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. IT'S NOT A BIG PIECE OF THIS. OKAY? THIS IS THE IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN VETERANS MEMORIAL IN DANBURY, CONNECTICUT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT TOO IS IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SMALL IN SCALE. UM, $400,000 IN 2024 AND MAYBE 4 85, $500,000 TODAY. UM, NOW IS THAT SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE THEY INCLUDED LAND OR SOMETHING ELSE? I MEAN, WHAT FACTOR? 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK MORE ELABOR. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION OUT THERE AVAILABLE IN, IN PUBLIC SOURCES TO KNOW. UM, WE DID TRY TO IDENTIFY THERE'S, THERE'S ONE PROJECT WE'LL SHOW YOU IN A FEW THAT IT'S A, IT'S A LARGER NUMBER, BUT INCLUDED A PARKING LOT. YEAH. UM, THESE, I THINK MANY OF THESE WERE ON KIND OF LIKE US ON EXISTING LAND WITH THESE EXISTING FACILITIES. YEAH. IT'S MOSTLY THE MONUMENT AND THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. WE WHERE WE COULD, WHERE WE COULD IDENTIFY IT. WE TRY AND POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS PARKING INCLUDED YEAH. IN THE RESTROOM. OKAY. WELL I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE THE LEVEL SET WAS KIND OF THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU SHOWED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE FIRST CONSIDERING THIS. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TWICE AS ELABORATE AS THAT. YES. BUT THERE MUST BE SOME OTHER [01:35:01] ELEMENT TO IT. PROBABLY THE HANGING SCULPTURE TYPE THING. THERE'S A MODERN ARTISTIC ELEMENT. COULD BE THAT. IT COULD BE THAT THEY END UP, I MEAN YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. THOSE ARE JUST CRAZY KIND OF PRICES COULD EVEN BE A, A BIDDING CONSTRUCTION CLIMATE IN THAT AREA TOO IS A FACTOR IN CONNECTICUT. YOU REFER TO THAT AS SCREEN MATERIALS. YES. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE, I, I THREW THIS IN THERE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT EXISTING TO DATE BECAUSE IT'S A PROJECT THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE STILL IN FUNDRAISING. THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN FUNDRAISING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN, UH, LONG MEOW MASSACHUSETTS. AND UM, YOU CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA MAYBE OF THE SCALE OF THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SHRUBBERY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE IS IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S HARD TO TELL. IT'S THE ONLY RENDERING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE ONE THAT THEY'RE FUNDRAISING, FUNDRAISING OFF OF NOW. UH, $825,000 IS THEIR ESTIMATE. THEY'RE ABOUT $150,000 SHY OF THAT GOAL RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT RIGHT NOW. THEY LOOK LIKE THOSE WALLS THAT WE SAW IN THE FIRST ONE. OH, YOU THINK THOSE COLLECTIVE WALLS KIND OF THINGS? IT LOOKS LIKE SHRUBBERY TO ME, BUT OKAY. MAYBE WALLS WITH SOME SORT OF VIETNAM LOOKED LIKE GRANITE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. I LOOKED LIKE GRANITE WALLS PROBABLY WITH NAMES OR SOMETHING ON THAT. THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE OTHERWISE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COST IS. RIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS THE LAS VEGAS VETERANS MEMORIAL. IT'S FAIRLY LARGE IN SIZE FOR THAT PRICE TAG. UM, AND I, I COULDN'T GET ANY GREATER DETAIL, UM, ON EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT SCOPE BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF STATUARY, A GOOD BIT OF GRANITE THERE. $2.2 MILLION IN 2015, MAYBE 2.9 TODAY OR I CAN'T IMAGINE GETTING THAT DONE FOR LESS THAN THREE AND A HALF. UM, INTERESTINGLY, IT WAS BUILT IN 2015 AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE STATE BUILDING. THIS IS ON A CAMPUS OF A STATE BUILDING. THAT BUILDING HAS CLOSED AND THEY'RE HAVING TO RELOCATE THIS VETERAN'S MEMORIAL. WOW. 10 YEARS LATER. 10 YEARS. WHERE IS THE, AND I THINK THE ESTIMATE'S $8 MILLION TO DO IT. I'M LOOKING AT WHERE FOR THAT LARGE, WHERE THE PARKING WOULD EVEN BE. UH, THE, THE PAR THE PARKING IS OUT OVER HERE. AND AGAIN, IT'S THE STATE BUILDING PARKING. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH US. IT WAS BASICALLY THIS CAMPUS. UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A BIG AREA FOR THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT SIDE IS? I MEAN, IS THAT, UH, A THIRD OF AN PRETTY LARGE YEAH, IT'S PRETTY LARGE. IT LOOKS LARGER THAN OUR SIDE. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY AN ACRE AND HALF. YOU'VE GOT, REMEMBER IN LAS VEGAS IN 2015, $2 MILLION HOUSES WERE SELLING FOR $300,000 STILL AFTER THAT. YEAH. PUZZLE. SO MANY FORECLOSURES. SO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY MAY HAVE GIVEN 'EM A GOOD BARGAIN. OKAY. THE NATIONAL FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS MEMORIAL IN EMMITSBURG, MARYLAND. UH, $3.2 MILLION IN 2021, MAYBE 3.8 TODAY. WE DON'T KNOW IF, UH, JANE AND I LOOKED AT THIS EARLIER. WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WALL BEHIND WAS ALREADY EXISTING OR PART OF THE MEMORIAL. MM-HMM . RIGHT. EXISTING. UH, EXISTING. OKAY. IT WAS EXISTING. OKAY. NOW I'VE GOT ANOTHER IMAGE TO SHOW YOU THERE, BUT I WANT SWITCH OVER TO CHRIS'S RESEARCH AND, UH, I MENTIONED CHRIS BARKLEY'S HERE, THE ARCHITECT, YOU'VE MET HIM PREVIOUSLY. UM, HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO GO ON AND, AND REALIZE, UH, HIS ENGAGEMENT WITH US IS COMPLETED . SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRO BONO WORK, CHRIS. UM, BUT, BUT HE DID GO ON AND, AND TRY AND FIND SOME MORE EXAMPLES FOR US. SO I'LL BRING THOSE UP. I'LL TRY AND BLOW IT UP. THIS IS NOT A VETERAN'S MONUMENT, BUT IT DID LOOK LIKE SOMETHING OF A SIZE AND SCALE THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION. UH, KLE, UH, MEMORIAL GARDEN IN WASHINGTON DC UM, TODAY'S ESTIMATED COST $2.4 MILLION STARK COUNTY VETERANS MEMORIAL IN DICKINSON, NORTH DAKOTA. UM, PROJECT COSTS IN TODAY'S DOLLAR IS ABOUT $950,000. BASICALLY VERTICAL, UH, GRANITE EDIFICES WITH, UH, NAMES ON THEM AND AT LEAST ONE STATUE EXUDING THE AMERICAN FLAG. WASHINGTON STATE CAPITAL KOREAN WAR MEMORIAL, $890,000. IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A PLAZA A BIT THAT'S MAYBE OFF SCREEN AS WELL. $90,000 FOR THAT TEXAS CAPITAL OF [01:40:01] VIETNAM VETERANS MONUMENT IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. $3 MILLION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. CONFIDENT. THAT'S A, WELL, NO, I THINK IT WAS THE C STATUE. . YEAH, THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE STATUTE. SUBSTANTIAL STATUTE, YES. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I COULD DO. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT. DO THOSE TEND TO BE CAST IRON? IS THAT WHAT CAST IT'S GONNA BE ROGER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, ALMOST THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS GRANITE TO ALL THE WALLS ARE, YEAH. CLAD AND GRANITE. SO ALL, YEAH, ALL OF THIS IS GRANITE. THE BRONZE AND THE GRANITE ARE REALLY THERE RETAINING WALLS AROUND. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND. THERE'S A RAMP THAT GOES BACK BEHIND THAT WALL. AND AGAIN, BRONZE STATUARY COSTS. IT'S INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. ONE STATUTE CAN BE EASILY A HUNDRED GRAND. THE OREGON WORLD WAR II MEMORIAL IN SALEM, OREGON, 1.63 MILLION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. YOU CAN SEE A GOOD BIT OF GRANITE WITH NAMES ON IT. PLAZA AND A NOVELIST, FRENCH BROAD VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK. THIS IS ONE WHERE WE CAN EASILY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE INVOLVED IN THIS. UM, BECAUSE THE MONUMENT ITSELF I THINK WAS FAIRLY SMALL IN THE MEMORIAL AREA, BUT A TOTAL OF $2 MILLION. YEAH. AND JAY, THERE WERE, THERE WAS NO STATUARY WITH THAT ONE AT ALL. IT WAS A LAWN PANEL, SOME SIDEWALKS, THERE WERE FLAGS AND I THINK TWO VERY SMALL INTERPRETIVE SIGNS. I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE IN THERE TOO, OF THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. I THINK THE BULK OF THE COST WENT, IS THAT RIGHT THERE? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE TWO INTERPRETIVE SIGNS. I THINK THAT'S THE YONDER'S POINT. UH, IT'S, IT IS THE PICTURE'S DOWN BELOW THAT. I SEE, OKAY. IT'S SPLIT, UH, YONDER'S POINT THERE. SO FLAG PLAZA AND LET'S SEE, CALL IT $500,000 OR SO. AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST THIS AREA HERE, RIGHT CHRIS? CORRECT. IT'S JUST SEAT WALLS, UM, AND INTERPRETIVE SCULPTURE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE FLAGPOLES AND THAT'S IT. FOREST LAKE VETERANS MEMORIAL. AND THIS LOOKS LIKE A RENDERING, RIGHT? IT IS. THAT ONE, THEY'RE STILL FUNDRAISING FOR IT. THE PROJECTED COST AS OF LAST YEAR WAS AROUND $800,000. CHRIS, DO ANY OF THOSE, UH, PRICES INCLUDE THE LAND ACQUISITION OR IS THIS, IT'S JUST ACTUAL BUILDING PROJECT? SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. UM, MOST OF THESE YOU COME MORE UP. SURE, YEAH. YEAH. LET'S GET YOU, SO MOST OF THESE DID NOT INCLUDE LAND ACQUISITION COSTS, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HARD CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO WHAT THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ARE ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FEES, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT PERMITTING FEES, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT CONTRACTOR'S FEES AND INSURANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRUE BRICKS AND AND MORTAR DOLLARS CENTS FOR THIS. BUT THIS HAS SO MUCH GOING ON. I MEAN, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR DOES THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS JUST SO BUSY. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE THAT. I COULD NOT SIT AND MEDITATE IN FRONT OF THAT AT ALL. YEAH, NO, I, THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF THAT DESIGN. RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S AWFUL. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, SO THEY'RE FUNDRAISING TOWARDS THAT. IF I, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN $800,000 FOR SURE. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THESE, THESE PROJECTS WE'RE USING PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA. SO WE DON'T KNOW WERE THERE IN KIND DONATIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE UNSURE ABOUT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE BEST DATA THAT WE HAVE. UM, THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE SHARED WITH YOU ALL LAST TIME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE SOFT COSTS WERE BAKED INTO THAT. SO WE, WE INCLUDED ALL OF THOSE SOFT COSTS THAT I WAS JUST MENTIONING, CHRIS, GENERALLY WHAT PERCENTAGE TAKEAWAY LAND, OBVIOUSLY. BUT AS FAR AS WHEN YOU'RE SAYING SOFT COSTS, WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 800, YOU TALKING ABOUT ABOUT A MILLION, MAYBE ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THOSE COSTS? OR WHAT DO YOU TYPICALLY SEE? YEAH, SO TYPICALLY ON THE DESIGN SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 12 TO 14% OF THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS WILL GO TO DESIGN FEES. UM, THAT'S DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. THE SMALLER THE PROJECT, THE HIGHER THAT PERCENTAGE WILL LIKELY GO. FOR DESIGN, IT'S A LIGHTING SCALE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND, UM, THE CONTRACTOR'S FEES, YOU'RE LOOKING BETWEEN FIVE TO 10% ON PROFIT FOR THEIRS FEES, YOU KNOW, A PERCENT FOR INSURANCE AND BONDING. SO, UM, I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE. UM, BUT SO, SO THAT [01:45:01] ONE, IF THAT ONE DOESN'T INCLUDE IT AT 800, YOU THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A MILLION TO MILLION ONE, SOMETHING IN THERE. YEAH. 20 TO 25% FROM EVERYTHING I SAW. 25 I'VE SEEN MORE. 25 TO 30 MILLION AND A HALF. WELL, I THINK OF, WE PUT THAT PARK AT GRANNY WHITE FOR, WHAT DID THAT COST? A MILLION? A MILLION. INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. YEAH. HOW DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE EXACT DOLLARS? FIVE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE MARKER? INCLUSIVE PLAY? THE INCLUSION, 1.5 ANN, 1.5 MILLION, 1.5 MILLION. AND I MEAN, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR A LOT LESS THAN A WHOLE PLAYGROUND, I THINK. WELL, BUT THE THING IS THE PLAYGROUND IS PLASTIC AND METAL AND THIS IS PLANTED WELL, FOR INSTANCE, THOSE BIG MONUMENT SIGNS THAT THE TENNESSEE HISTORIC COMMISSION PUTS UP THE REALLY BIG ONES, THEY'RE AROUND $3,500. IF YOU GOT ONE 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THAT, YOU'RE TALKING $35,000. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I'M, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT ITALIAN MARBLE OR ALL GRANITE? I MEAN, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA SAY, LOOK AT US WHERE RED WE DIDN'T GRANT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MESSAGE WE'RE TRYING TO SEND. WE DIDN'T USE THOSE MATERIALS A LOT. THERE WAS JUST ONE LITTLE FEATURE IN THERE THAT USED LIKE, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THE GOING FORWARD AND WE ACTUALLY IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SIGN, WE ACTUALLY, AND WITH THE HELP FROM THE DESIGN PEOPLE, BUT KIND OF STAYED AWAY FROM DOING A LOT OF THOSE MATERIALS BECAUSE OF THE COST. AND THE STATUARY IS REAL EXPENSIVE. THAT'S WHY ON THE, THE FIRST PROJECT ON THE LEFT, IT WAS 2.4 MILLION. THAT WAS WITH ONE PIECE, LIKE ONE STATUE. THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT COST SO MUCH. WE, WE WENT LIKE THE, IT HAD LIKE THOUGHTS OF MAYBE FIVE STATUES TOTAL, BUT ONLY IF PEOPLE, LIKE, IF FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE WANTED TO DONATE THAT OR DONATE A WHOLE STATUE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KEPT THAT S SCALE ON. WE TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE REALLY EXPENSIVE MATERIALS. I'M GLAD YOU DID. AND I, I THINK, I THINK SOME OF THE FACTORS, WE HAD A LOT OF CIRCLES IN LAND. I FELT LIKE WE WERE PAYING FOR AN IDEA INSTEAD OF SOMETHING CONCRETE. I REALLY DID RAY. THAT'S GOOD FOR US TO HEAR. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE ABSTRACT ART ALMOST. YEAH, I, I THINK FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A FEW FACTORS HERE AND, AND CHRIS JUMP IN. ONE OF THEM IS, IS YOU WANT, THESE ARE TYPICALLY UNIQUE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CUSTOM WORK VERSUS A TYPICAL STREET OR A TYPICAL SIDEWALK OR A TYPICAL WHATEVER. USUALLY THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOM. THERE'S CURVES OR DIFFERENT MATERIALS. THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. ALSO IN, IF YOU HAVE A PRETTY UH, UH, AGGRESSIVE CONSTRUCTION CLIMATE, A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON, A LOT OF BUSY CONTRACTORS AREN'T GONNA BE PROBABLY THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS THAT WANNA DO THIS TYPE OF WORK. THAT FOR THEM IS A SMALLER COST WORK TAKES MORE TIME THAT'S CUSTOM COMPARED TO LARGER PROJECTS. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A BIG FACTOR IN WHAT THE COST BECOMES AS WELL. AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER FACTORS I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND I THINK, UM, THE OTHER TWO BIG FACTORS DRIVING THE COST IN BOTH OF THE DESIGNS THAT WE PRESENTED WERE ONE BRONZE SCULPTURES, WHICH ARE PRICEY BECAUSE THEY'RE UNIQUE, THEY'RE CUSTOM, AND THE WATER FEATURE WATER'S ALWAYS GONNA DRIVE THE COST UP AS WELL. SO I THINK THOSE WERE PROBABLY THE TWO BIG TICKET ITEMS. EVERYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE OF THAT WAS PRETTY STANDARD CONSTRUCTION. UH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. CONSTRUCTION CLIMATE DRIVES A LOT OF THAT COST. THIS IS GOING TO BE A UNIQUE, AND I THINK THAT WAS OUR CHARGE, WAS THIS NEEDS TO BE UNIQUELY BRENTWOOD. THIS NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES. IT NEEDS TO BE BRENTWOOD. AND SO I THINK THAT DROVE A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION AS WELL. BUT WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE JUST UNIQUELY BRENTWOOD? I MEAN, I DON'T GET THAT. YOU LOOK AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, HOW MANY WHITE HOUSES LOOK JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER WHITE HOUSE AND THEY COST THREE AND $4 MILLION. MM-HMM . I GUESS I'M JUST AN OLD FASHIONED PERSON. BUT NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK, I THINK IT'S ENLIGHTENING TO SEE THESE NUMBERS, BUT, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF 'EM, BUT SOME OF THOSE FIRST ONES WE SAW, THERE WERE SOME REALLY NICE DESIGNS THERE FOR A LOT LESS MONEY. YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT FIRST ONE. YEAH, IT HAD A, YOU HAD THE, YOU COULD SEE THE SOLDIERS IN THAT MARBLE OR GRANITE OR WHATEVER IT WAS. I THOUGHT THAT LOOKED GOOD. AND I DO REMEMBER RAY SAYING WITH THE COMMITTEE, I THINK IT WAS ONE BEFORE THIS, BUT IT HAD A LOT OF GRANITE, BUT IT ALSO HAD A LOT OF GRANITE THAT WAS INSCRIBED. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S [01:50:01] WHERE YOU GET VERY EXPENSIVE IF YOU START LIKE THERE, THAT PUTTING ALL THOSE NAMES ON THERE WOULD COST A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK WE SAID WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PUT NAMES THAT WE RIGHT. YOU SENT OUR CHARGE NOT TO DO NAMES. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WAS GOOD. AND ALONG THE LINES WITH THIS AND, AND, AND YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHERE, I MEAN, I, AS WE CAME INTO IT AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING PRIVATELY FUNDED, YOU KNOW, AND JUNCTIONS PROJECTS BEFORE, SOME OF WHAT, UM, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS JUST FINDING OUT WHAT IS THE, THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH THE FUNDRAISING KIND OF TELLS US. AND JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'VE BEEN REALLY SURPRISED AND IMPRESSED BY HOW ENGAGED AND ACTIVE THE VETERANS COMMUNITY'S BEEN IN, LIKE, THE VETERANS DAY STUFF WE DID, I MEAN THIS, THIS PAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE VETERANS EVENT OR POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND WE, I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE HAD TOO MUCH SPACE AND IT TURNS OUT WE HAD OVERFLOW AND PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD A, A ROOM TWICE AS BIG. SO, I MEAN, TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING WHICH IS I THINK WAS PART OF THE CHARGE OF THE, THE COMMITTEE. NOW I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY COMMITTEE IS A KIND OF RULED INTO INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. AND SOME OF THAT, I MEAN, RAISING MONEY CAN BECOME, AND YOU KNOW, RAISING THAT $750,000 FOR THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND WAS A LOT. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE GET INTO LIKE TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDRAISING STRUCTURE, LIKE I DON'T THINK THE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO BE OUT OF FUNDRAISING. I THINK THAT'D BE COMPLETELY NOT SOMETHING WE'D ASK THEM TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CITY COMMISSION WANTS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE ALL HAVE TO DO ON DEDICATED FUNDRAISING OR IF THAT HIGH COMMITTEE, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME, WE TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT SOME OF THIS PROCESS, AND PART OF THE REASON I WAS OKAY WITH THE PRESENTATIONS LAST MONTH, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I WAS ENVISIONING SOME THINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT FUNDRAISING ALONG THE LINES OF SOME OF THE FIRST COUPLE THINGS WE SAW. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A VETERAN'S DAY CELEBRATION IN A DEDICATED SPACE THAT ALLOWED IT TO HAVE THE SOLEMNESS AND HAVE SOME GOOD VISUALS, BUT ALSO HAVE A SPACE THAT WOULD WELCOME EVERYBODY AND THEN GIVE 'EM SPACE TO HAVE IT. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT MORE ALONG THOSE BUDGETS. BUT, BUT GIVE THE VETERANS COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT AND HAVE IT GROW IF IT'S, IF IT'S AS HUGE, UH, UH, I GUESS A SUPPORT AS WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. SO, SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S BEEN, IT'S NEVER A PROCESS. THERE'S BEEN INTEREST. ONE MORE COMMENT MM-HMM . AND I WILL SHUT UP. I PROMISE YOU AFTER THIS, YOUR, YOU MADE THE STATEMENT ABOUT HOW WE HAD AN OVERFLOW CROWD AND WE DID MM-HMM . AND EVERY BIT OF THAT CEREMONY WAS TRADITIONAL. MM-HMM . VERY TRUE. VETERANS LIKE TRADITION. MM-HMM . THAT'S A GREAT POINT. NATIONAL HOLIDAYS ARE TRADITIONAL. WE DON'T NEED TO BE REAL OUT THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WE JUST THROW OFF A STONE, BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP WITH TRADITION AND WHAT PEOPLE ANTICIPATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD AT LEAST REMIND THEM OF, YOU KNOW, I I I DO THINK THAT'S CLINGING TO TRADITION AND WHAT BEING A VETERAN MEANS IS THE SAME FROM MY DAD'S GENERATION TO YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN TODAY. IT'S THE SAME CORE VALUES. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PORTRAY, I THINK. CAN I PUT, COMMISSIONER, YOU HAD SAID IF, IF I MAY, 'CAUSE I GOT A LITTLE MORE, I WANNA SHOW YOU, UH, HELP FRAME THE CONVERSATION. BUT YOU, YOU SAID YOU HAD THREE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE COMMITTEE CAME BACK WITH, PRICE, SIZE, AND SCALE, UH, AND THE DESIGN. AND THAT'S THE DESIGN ELEMENT. I'M, WE'RE HOPING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU KIND OF ON ALL THREE TODAY, ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHATEVER THAT PROJECT IS OR WHATEVER THE PRODUCT IS OF THE SCALE YOU'RE GONNA TELL US. BUT, UH, CHRIS DID KIND OF GIVE US A, A LITTLE SKETCH, UM, WE CALL IT KINDA A COCKTAIL NAPKIN SKETCH OF WHAT WOULD A SCALE DOWN, UH, UH, DESIGN LOOK LIKE. AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S A OFF THE CLOCK IF YOU WILL, BUT HE DID COME UP WITH SOMETHING JUST TO SHOW YOU, HEY, WE CAN BRING THIS THING IN CLOSER TO THE PARKING LOT. UM, AND IT CAN, IT CAN MAINTAIN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, UM, UH, THE REFLECTIVE INTERPRETATION. UH, OR YOU COULD TELL US TO SCRAP THAT. WE LIKE THE SCALE, BUT GIVE US SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DELIBERATE AND OBVIOUS. UM, BUT, SO CHRIS, IF YOU WANNA JUST TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH. AND I DID THIS LITERALLY AFTER I LEFT THE LAST MEETING, SO IT'S EXTREMELY ROUGH AND CRUDE. BUT WHAT THIS WAS, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD DESIGN BEHIND HERE, RIGHT? SO WE TOOK THE SAME CONCEPT AND JUST SLID IT FORWARD. SO BASICALLY HALF OF THIS TOOK IT FORWARD. YOU WOULD HAVE A PLAZA MOMENT HERE. YOU COULD HAVE [01:55:01] A WATER FEATURE SCULPTURE, WHATEVER THIS FOCAL FEATURE BECOMES HERE. YOU COULD STILL DO THE STAGGERED WALLS WITH THE BRONZE PLAQUES ON THEM, AND THEN YOU COULD DO THE FLAGS THAT GO AROUND THE BACKSIDE WITH SOME TREES. UM, BUT THIS WILL BE A HARDSCAPE PLAZA AGAIN, FOCAL FEATURE FLAGS, SEAT WALLS WITH F BRONZE PLAQUES AND SOME PLANTING. AND I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PRESERVE THE CONCEPT, PULL IT FORWARD CLOSER TO THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING, UM, BRINGS IT CLOSER IN BUDGET, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE LAST MEETING. KEEPS THE DESIGN A BIT MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, IN NATURE. UM, AND JUST REDUCES THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT. SO WHAT'S, EXPLAIN AGAIN ON THE, THE INNER INNERMOST HALF CIRCLE AROUND YOUR CENTER FEATURE? YEAH. THOSE ARE WALLS OR THOSE SEATINGS. YEAH. SO THESE WOULD BE WALLS. THEY COME IN, COME, COME ALL THE WAY IN. OH, SORRY, ONE MORE HERE. YES. THAT'S JUST PAVING. YEAH. SO THIS ENTIRE THING RIGHT HERE WOULD BE A PLAZA. GREAT. I PUT THREE FLAGS HERE, THREE FLAGS HERE. THE AMERICAN FLAG IN THE CENTER, AND THEN SOME FOCAL FEATURE. BUT YEAH, THIS WOULD BE HARDSCAPE PLAZA. THESE WOULD BE THE WALLS BEHIND THAT WOULD HAVE THE PLAQUES ON THEM WALLS. THEY COULD, YEAH, THEY COULD BE SEA WALLS. SEA WALLS. IS THERE ANY KIND OF MONUMENT PROBABLY RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE PLAZA. IT COULD BE A WATER FEATURE, IT COULD BE A BRONZE PLAQUE FEATURE. SAID THAT DRIVE THE KYLE STOP. IT COULD BE SOME SORT OF STATUE WHERE, UM, AND IT WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE AS YOU DROVE IN TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS OR YOU DROVE IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. YEAH. SO PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT IT WAS. WHAT DID THE, THE COMMITTEE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, THINK OF THE REFLECTIVE WALLS EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WOULD BE ON THE PLAQUES? I THINK THEY WERE QUOTES OR SOMETHING THAT WERE GONNA BE ON THE BODY, BE QUOTES. THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE. UM, AND WE HAD NOT DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE DESIGN BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE, THE, THE ACTUAL FIGURING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE. BUT THERE WOULD ALSO BE, UH, THINGS TALKING ABOUT HONOR, DUTY, SERVICE, SACRIFICE, AND PROBABLY SOME HISTORY, SOME SECTION OF IT. THE HISTORY OF BRENTWOODS PARTICIPATION IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY FROM A MILITARY STANDPOINT. SO THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WERE ON THE WALLS. AND THE DESIRE WAS FOR IT TO BE A PLACE OF, UH, CELEBRATING THE LIFE OF VETERANS, BUT ALSO A PLACE THAT IF SOMEONE IS MOURNING OR GRIEF, AND THAT MOURNING IN GRIEF MAY BE 60 YEARS LATER BECAUSE OF SOMEONE WHO GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE TO THEIR NATION. SO A PART OF OUR DESIGN ALWAYS WAS THE SENSE THAT SOMEONE COULD GO THERE AND REFLECT AND DEAL WITH THEIR GRIEF OR THEIR MOURNING AS WELL. UH, IT WAS NOT AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT, BUT WE WANTED IT TO BE, UM, NOT JUST A SIMPLE STATUE. MAYBE IT WAS ADVENTURES AROUND. WE WANTED IT TO BE WHERE PEOPLE COULD KIND OF MOVE AWAY FROM THAT IF THEY NEEDED TO OR WHATEVER. AND THIS IS A PLACE THAT I IMAGINED THAT WILL BE, UM, PEOPLE WILL VISIT, UH, THERE WILL BE TIMES OF THE YEAR, PROBABLY IT'LL BE VISITED MORE THAN OTHER TIMES OF YEAR, ESPECIALLY AROUND MEMORIAL DAY AND, AND BETTER STATE AND PROBABLY JULY 4TH. AND, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THAT LOST A BROTHER IN VIETNAM THAT ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE GRIEVING PROCESS THAT MAY GO THERE. AND THEY LIVE IN BRENTWOOD AND NONE OF US KNOW BECAUSE GRIEF IS OFF SOMETHING THAT NEVER, NEVER LEAVES. YEAH. AND RAY, I THINK THAT'S A, WHAT ARE ALL THOSE CIRCLES AROUND THAT OUTER EDGE? TREES. TREES. HERE THEY ARE TREES. THOSE ARE TREES. OKAY. THAT I THOUGHT, BUT WASN'T SO DON'T JUDGE MY SKETCH. IT WAS JUST TO FINDING THE, THE SPACE. SO ANN, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WATER FEATURES, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A WATER FEATURE IN FRONT OF THE CITY HALL OUT HERE? OH YES. WE DUG IT UP BECAUSE IT WORKED SO POORLY. YES. WELL, BUT ALSO, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN, UH, THE BROAD HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DECIDED IT WAS HILARIOUS TO PUT, UH, DISH SOAP IN THE, UH, ? I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT. I THINK THIS MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'LL BE BUSY, LIKE RAY SAID, ON VETERAN'S DAY, MEMORIAL DAY, ESPECIALLY. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE OVERWHELMED, BUT I THINK THIS COULD STILL HANDLE THE FESTIVITIES. YOU CALL IT THAT ONE. YOU HAVE, I DON'T MEAN IT A, A PARTY, BUT ON VETERANS DAY, MEMORIAL DAY, THEN IT ALSO HANDLES INDIVIDUAL, LIKE RAY SAYS, WHO WANTS TO GO UP AND, AND HAVE THE, THE QUIET TIME. UH, I, I LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. AND RAY, I I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. MM-HMM. RIGHT. IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD AN EXPERIENCE, A FAMILY MEMBER [02:00:01] OR, OR BEEN IN THE MILITARY AND YOU GO SEE IT, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO DRAW SOMETHING FROM IT. SOMETHING ABOUT PROBABLY IMPORTANCE OF OUR COUNTRY AND DEFENDING IT. WHAT IT MEANS, IF YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, IF YOU ARE A VETERAN RIGHT, IN PARTICULARLY IN COMBAT OR WHATEVER THE SCENARIO, IT IS GONNA MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MM-HMM. IF YOU'RE A, IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHOSE CHILD OR BROTHER OR WHOMEVER HAS BEEN A VETERAN AND BEEN THROUGH IT, IT MEANS SOMETHING EVEN A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR YOU THERE TOO. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK FROM A THEMATIC PERSPECTIVE OF IT WILL MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND IT'S PART OF THE RECOGNITION OF WHEN YOU PUT IT TOGETHER. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND IF YOU COULD DO THAT IN A, IN THAT KIND OF SCALE, I THINK THAT'S TERRIFIC. AND THE CONCEPT OF, AND WE, THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, THE CONCEPT OF AMERICA. ONE THING THAT MAKES AMERICA UNIQUE IN HISTORY, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE GENERALLY BEEN DEFENDED BY CITIZEN SOLDIERS. WE'VE NOT HAD A WARRIOR CAST, BUT YET WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL DEFENDING OUR LIBERTY FOR 250 YEARS. AND WE DID WANT IT TO HONOR. AND MOST VETERANS THAT LIVE IN BRENTWOOD NOW, OR BORN AND RAISED INWOOD OR WHATEVER, THEY WERE CITIZEN SOLDIERS, EVEN IF THEY WERE CAREER MILITARY FOR 20, 25, 30 YEARS, THEY CAME HOME AND DID 50 THINGS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. BUT MOST OF 'EM SERVED FOR TWO OR FOUR OR SIX YEARS DURING A CONFLICT OR JUST AFTER A CONFLICT. THEY SERVED THEIR NATION, THEY PUT THEIR LIFE AT RISK. BUT WHEN THEY WENT BACK HOME, THEY WERE JUST CITIZENS AGAIN AND TOOK FROM THEIR WAR EXPERIENCES OR THEIR MILITARY EXPERIENCES, BUT THEY, THEY IMMEDIATELY WENT BACK IN THE COMMUNITY. AND A LOT OF US DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE UNLESS THERE'S A DISCUSSION THAT COMES UP. I KNOW WHEN I WAS YOUNG, WE HAD MANY, MANY VETERANS THAT HAD PLANTED AT D-DAY AND HAD FOUGHT ACROSS EUROPE AND HAD FOUGHT AT THE BATTLE OF A STONE OR HAD BEEN WITH THE PATENT AS HE CROSSED EUROPE OR WHATEVER. AND I'D KNOWN THESE PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND NEVER KNEW. AND THEN SUDDENLY A DISCUSSION WOULD COME UP IN OUR OFFICE AND YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, YEAH, I LANDED ON OMAHA IN THE SECOND WAVE OR WHATEVER. AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, AND, AND A LOT OF US ARE LIKE THAT. I MEAN, YOU SIT NEXT TO 'EM IN CHURCH OR A ROTARY AND THEY TRULY ARE CITIZEN SOLDIERS AND THEY WOULD NEVER REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DID. AND EVEN IF THEY TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY WERE, THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND SO THAT WAS ALL, THESE ARE LIKE KIND OF OVERARCHING THEMES THAT THE COMMITTEE JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HONOR BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY VETERANS THAT CONTACT US AND WE HAVE VETERANS ON THE COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE THAT WAY. UNLESS YOU KNOW 'EM OR SOMEBODY POINTS OUT, YOU NEVER KNEW THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, UM, AT, AT THESE DIFFERENT VERY HISTORICAL THINGS THAT HAVE STILL TO THIS DAY PRESERVED OUR FREEDOM. BUT YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND SKILLING IT BACK, I WOULD SAY THE COMMITTEE, IF ANYTHING, AND, AND CHRIS KIND OF BEING MORE OBJECTIVE 'CAUSE HE'S DONE THIS WITH OTHER GROUPS, WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO FILL THE WHOLE SPACE. . WE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF OUR CHARGE. BUT AFTER HEARING THE COMMENTS AND THEN CHRIS QUICKLY KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SCALE THIS BACK. IF IT'S NOT THE DESIRE TO FILL THE SPACE, THAT SPACE IS BEAUTIFUL. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT. IT MAY BE IN THE FUTURE THEY DECIDE TO PUT KIND OF AN AMPHITHEATER DOWN PART OF THE POND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. RIGHT. UH, AND SO YOUR FEEDBACK IS WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SOME FORAYS INTO FUNDRAISING AND SOME POSSIBLY BIG DONORS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT. BUT THE ONE THING THEY ALL SAID IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGN BEFORE WE EVEN WANT A DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY BUSY PEOPLE. AND AS YOU SAID, I SENSE THAT 50 OR 70% OF THE PROJECT WILL PROBABLY BE FUNDED BY LARGE DONORS. BUT THAT MEANS THAT THE CITIZENS WILL STILL HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS. IF IT'S $10, A HUNDRED DOLLARS, A THOUSAND DOLLARS, $5,000. BUT THE ONE THING I HEAR BOTH FROM PRIVATE CITIZENS WHO'VE WANTED TO DONATE AND FROM MORE BUSINESS TYPE DONATIONS WAS WE NEED TO SEE A DESIGN. AND SO THAT'S OUR CHARGE. AND AT ONE POINT WE THOUGHT MAYBE THIS SUMMER WE COULD HAVE IT, BUT WE'D RATHER HIT IT RIGHT. THAN FAST. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE NEED FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION. ONE THING ALONG THOSE LINES, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, ON [02:05:01] THE WEBPAGE, PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE FROM, UH, FUNDRAISING AND THAT THIS IS YEAH. THE CITY I'D LIKE THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE EMAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSLETTER MM-HMM . THAT IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I DID HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SAID I WENT ON THE WEBPAGE. 'CAUSE I SAID I, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND I WENT TO LOOK AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S IT'S, IT'S NICE BUT IT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION SO PEOPLE CAN GO THERE AND SEE FIRSTHAND AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S STILL ON THERE. UM, THERE'S A PLACE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE CAN GO DONATE. REALLY? I DIDN'T SEE THAT. SO THIS OKAY. YEAH. AND SO, BUT IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR. OKAY. AND WE KIND OF DIDN'T, I THINK CHARLES WANTED THAT TO BE AVAILABLE AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK WITH CHARLES, BUT, UM, BUT STILL WE HAD A DESIGN. YEAH. THAT'S THE QUESTION I GET FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GIVE TO IT. THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT. SURE. I WILL SAY THIS, THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT CITIZENS FROM ALL DIFFERENT AREAS ABOUT IT AS WE'VE WORKED ON IT SINCE BASICALLY JULY IS OH, HOW DO I GIVE TO THIS? OR WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? AND WHAT I THINK THERE WILL BE EXCITED, THE COMMUNITY, UH, JUST OUR, OUR CELEBRATIONS CELEBRATING FIRST RESPONDERS IN HAVE JUST ALWAYS BEEN OVERWHELMING. OUR COMMUNITY'S ALWAYS BEEN REAL PATRIOTIC. I JUST WANNA FEEL LIKE THAT THE FUNDS WILL HAPPEN. BUT WE WANT THE DESIGN TO PLEASE IT'S GOTTA PLEASE THE COMMISSION FIRST. UH, I'M A COMMISSIONER SO IT HAS TO PLEASE ME, BUT I'M JUST ONE COMMISSIONER AS A COMMITTEE PERSON AND I'M JUST ONE MEMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE. OUR CHARGE IS FOR Y'ALL TO APPROVE THE DESIGN TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS . WELL, DOES HE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THIS MIGHT COST? WELL, SO I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT AND YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT IT POSSIBLE TO SHOW THE CENTER COLLEGE MONUMENT THAT WE JUST COMPLETED. THE JUSTICE HARLAN, IT WAS IN THE WORD DOCUMENT THAT POSSIBLE OR NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS. 'CAUSE I MIGHT HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT. YOU TOOK IT OUT. OKAY. UM, SO BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS NOT VETERAN ORIENTED. OKAY. RIGHT. GOT IT. YEAH. SO WE JUST DID A MONUMENT FOR JUSTICE HARLAN AT CENTER COLLEGE, VERY SIMILAR SIZE AND SCALE TO THIS. UM, HAD A, UH, A LIMESTONE WALL BACKDROP, SOME PLANTING IN THE BACKDROP, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE BRONZE STATUE ABOUT MY SIZE SITTING IN A CHAIR, UM, AND A LAWN KIND OF OPEN LAWN PLAZA WITH A COUPLE BENCHES ALL IN SOFT COST. HARD COST IS ABOUT 1.5 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED FOR THAT PROJECT. YEAH. SO I, AND THAT'S EVEN AFTER VALUE ENGINEERING OUT LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE DIDN'T GET THE FULL PROJECT THAT WE HAD ULTIMATELY ENVISIONED, BUT IT WAS 1.5 MILLION. I MEAN, I LIKE THIS CONCEPT BECAUSE IT IS SMALLER. THERE'S MORE HARDSCAPE I THINK THOUGH, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR THE GATHERINGS, UH, FOR OUR WONDERFUL WEATHER THAT'S SO PREDICTABLE. . UM, WHAT IT DOES TO BRING UP YOUR POINT, IT, IT BRINGS UP PERSONAL AREAS, WHICH I, AS, AS A NON-VETERAN MM-HMM . I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY VETERANS IN OUR FAMILY. UM, AND I THINK IT'S THE TREES AROUND IT AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF SOFT SCAPING THAT MAKES IT BRENTWOOD. RIGHT. OTHER, A LOT OF CITIES, IT'S JUST ALL HARDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S STARK. AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS HITS ALL THOSE POINTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE RING OF TREES AROUND THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOME GRASS WHERE THE, THE WALLS ARE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PARTICULARS, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF INCORPORATING EVERYTHING WE WANTED, THE TREES REPRESENT STANDING GUARD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT THEY ALSO REPRESENT BRENTWOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL TREES. AND, AND SO, UM, BUT I CAN, I JUST, OTHER THING IS I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT COUNTING ON THE POND, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WHO KNOWS 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT THEY MIGHT CHANGE MM-HMM . RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO THE FACT THAT WE'VE PULLED IT AWAY FROM THAT AND WE CAN LEAVE THAT AS OPEN SPACE AND THEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE WANNA ADD SOMETHING 'CAUSE IT'S STABLE OUT THERE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I JUST LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT COUNTING THAT IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE COUNTED IT FOR WHY WE PICKED IT, BUT NOT SO ABSTRACT EITHER. RIGHT. YOU ACTUALLY, I MEAN, I SEE IT. I'M NOT HAVING TO VISUALIZE MEANDERING BACK TO THOSE FLAGS. I LIKE THIS. SURE. I APOLOGIZE IF YOU NEED TO SLIDE ON OUT. SO REAL QUICK, TWO QUESTIONS. THE OKAY. STARTING WITH THIS SORT OF CONCEPT AND THAT 1.5 ISH AND, AND THEN COMING BACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE POINTS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AFTER THE COMMITTEE'S DONE IT AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT INPUT BEFORE IT'S DONE. YEAH. PROVIDED THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY CAN WHITTLE OUT OF IT IF THEY DON'T COME UP WITH THAT MUCH MONEY . ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING, THE STATUARY FROM OUR, UM, THIS IS KNOWLEDGE, BUT OUR RESEARCH TOO IS [02:10:01] ONE OF THE EXPENSIVE THINGS. SO WELL, BUT THAT SAYS MONUMENT. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, STONE WALLS. YEAH. AND SO IT, IT IS, I HAVE NO CLUE. YOU DON'T, YOU GO INTO FUNDRAISING, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE A VERY GOOD DESIGN AND THEY FEEL LIKE THE COMMISSION IS FULLY BEHIND IT, AND, AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT, THAT BRENTWOOD CITY WAS LIKE, WE WEREN'T JUST SOME ROGUE GROUP THAT WAS WANTING TO RAISE MONEY FOR VETERANS MONUMENT. THE, THE FULL PHASE OF BRENTWOOD WAS BEHIND OUR FUNDRAISING EFFORTS AND THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THE MONEY AND ALL THAT. I FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN DO THIS. AND SO, UH, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL JUST, I'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING TO GIVE, BUT THEY KIND OF WANTED TO SEE A DESIGN AND I ALMOST GOT IN THE SENSE OF NOT WHETHER THEY, THE DESIGN JUST BLEW 'EM AWAY MORE IN THE SENSE OF IF IT'S GONNA BE THIS MUCH, I'LL GIVE THIS MUCH. IF IT'S GOING TO BE THIS MUCH, I'LL GIVE THIS MUCH. AND SO, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SENSING ARE GONNA BE LARGER DONORS. SO THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO WHITTLE ANYTHING OUT. . I HOPE NOT. I HOPE NOT. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU DO. WHEN WE RAISE THE MONEY FOR INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND IN OUR ROTARY CLUB, UM, WE ACTUALLY RAISED THAT REALLY MUCH MORE RAPID THAN WE THOUGHT. AND WE DID HAVE ONE LARGE DONOR, BUT THE LARGE DONOR DIDN'T GIVE HALF. THEY GAVE ALMOST HALF BECAUSE I WAS AMAZED AT HOW FAST WE RAISED THAT. I WAS WORRIED THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO A PROMISSORY NOTE, STILL RAISE FOR FIVE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE DESIGN ANY HERE. JUST LEAVE IT UP TO HIM. WELL, OKAY, SO, SO YEAH, WE NEED TO GET TO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT OF YOU. SCALE IS KIND OF WHAT HE SKETCHED OUT. SCALE SEEM. YES. REASONABLE TO YOU. KINDA LIKE IT BEING CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. WHAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING A DESIGN. WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT JOB YOU, CHRIS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF LARGE SCAPE? ONLY, I KNOW THE SIZE OF THE HOW, HOW FAR BACK IF YOU, IF YOU GO FROM FRONT TO THE BACK, HOW MANY FEET DO YOU THINK THAT IS? I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE A THIRD OF IT. PROBABLY BY THE TIME YOU PUSH, PUT IT OUT. LIKE DO, I MEAN I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT YOUR PICTURE, BUT THINKING, YEAH, IT MIGHT NEED TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT TO GET EVERYTHING IN THERE. PROPHESIZING FOOT TO OKAY. A QUARTER THEN I GUESS. MM-HMM . THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND IS 20,000 SQUARE FOOT, IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY, YEAH. YES. AND, AND IN PROPORTION TO THE BUILDING, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BUILDING KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF VISUALLY, MENTALLY, MASK WISE, YOU THINK THIS IS REASONABLE. YEAH. OKAY. SOMETHING. AND, AND, AND NOW, SO THE ELEMENTS AND TO YOUR POINT, YOUR ELEMENTS OF DESIGN, UM, BEING IN A, IN A TIGHTER, LESS MEANDERING CONFIGURATION, LIKE THE WALLS BEING OFFSET AND THAT KIND OF THING, YOU'RE OKAY WITH WITH THESE, THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PRESENTED HERE, KNOWING THAT IN THE MIDDLE THERE'D BE EITHER A SOLDIER OR SOMETHING THAT'S A FOCAL POINT. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THOSE LITTLE KNOWN STEPS. LIKE OUT HERE I DO NOT LIKE I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU NEVER. LIKE THAT'S THE BEST DESCRIPTION. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS STILL IN THIS RIGHT. MATERIALS AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS. SO MY SUGGESTION IS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BRING CHRIS'S CONTRACT BACK TO YOU ANYWAY BECAUSE HE'S USED UP THIS PART. WE'LL PUT THAT ON YOUR AGENDA. IT'LL COME UP PRETTY QUICK. UM, BUT MY THOUGHT IN DOING THAT, AND I, AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T CREATE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER WORK, BUT WE NEED TO LET THE COMMITTEE HELP, YOU KNOW, GET IT TO A CERTAIN STAGE, RIGHT. THAT'S THEIR JOB. AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE IT'S FINISHED. LET YOU GUYS SEE WHAT IT IS. HE MIGHT HAVE SOME ROUGH IDEA COST AT THAT POINT AND REALLY THINK ABOUT DESIGN FEATURES A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THAT POINT AFTER HE AND THE COMMITTEE HAVE REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I'M GONNA CALL IT 1.5 ISH. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'LL BE. BUDGET STAYING WITHIN THAT AND THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND GO FROM THERE. ONE LAST QUESTION. I KNOW I SAID I SHUT UP, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE ELECTRICAL OUT THERE? SO FOR PROGRAMS, I MEAN, AND THAT'S PART OF THE COMP. THERE CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE LIGHTING. HUGE FLAG WAS GONNA BE, WELL THE AMERICAN FLIGHT HAS TO BE ON LIT OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN AT SUNDOWN EVERY DAY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM SO WE, WELL WE DON'T, IT STAYS UP OUT HERE ALL DAY LONG. WELL WE GOTTA ASK OURSELVES TOO, THERE'S GONNA BE TWO AMERICAN FLAGS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO WE GOTTA WORK, WE GOTTA WORK THROUGH THAT TOO. THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. AND SO THAT WAS [02:15:01] PART OF THE, IT WAS TO GET ELECTRICAL FOR UPLIGHTING, YOU KNOW, FOR IN THE EVENINGS BUT ALSO FOR THE FLAGS. SO THERE WOULD BE ELECTRICAL FOR, WE WOULD NEED TO DESIGNATE A PLACE TO PUT LIKE A, A BOX OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHY. YEAH. PLUS. AND THEY DID ALSO IN ALL THEIR ESTIMATES, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED, FIGURED 10% AT LEAST COST INCREASES BECAUSE THE WAY CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. SO YEAH, IN OUR EARLY ESTIMATES LIKE THAT, WE'LL HOLD DESIGN CONTINGENCY FOR DESIGN EVOLUTION AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND A CONSTRUCTION FINANCE BECAUSE DAY BY DAY YOU NEVER KNOW WHICH MATERIAL'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL BRING THE CONTRACT BACK SO WE CAN USE CHRIS SOME MORE. UM, START WITH THIS BASIC KIND OF LAYOUT CONCEPT IT SOUNDS LIKE, BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IT COULD COST. I'M GONNA SAY 1.5 ISH. LET'S JUST LET HIM DO HIS THING. LET THE COMMITTEE DO THEIR THING, BRING IT BACK BEFORE IT'S FINISHED IN ESSENCE AND HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS. AND THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK GENERALLY. UH, IF THERE'S DECISIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALS OR APPROACHES OR THINGS, WE CAN HAVE THAT THEN. AND HOPEFULLY FROM THERE YOU CAN FINISH THE DESIGN. WE'LL HAVE US, WE'LL HAVE WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU WANT. EVERYONE'S AMENABLE TO IT AND IT'S POSSIBLE FOR STAFF. IF WE COULD GET THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. THERE'S NO NEED IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING UNTIL THEN. BUT THEN WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AS SOON AS IT IS FEBRUARY 9TH. YEAH, I'VE GOT IT. GOOD. BE ON. THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE ABOUT THAT. THEN WE MIGHT EVEN GO ON AND PUT A TEMPORARY HOLD ON THE ROOM AND MEETING FOR THAT FOLLOWING WEEK. FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK. OKAY. WHICHEVER'S BEST FOR THE COMMITTEE. JUST TECHNICAL QUESTION. DOES THIS COUNT AS PART OF OUR PARKS ACREAGE EFFICIENTLY? I DON'T THINK SO. NO. I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD BRAG ABOUT ADDING MORE PARKS PARK LIKE ACREAGE WISE IT WON'T BE THAT MUCH. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S GONNA ASSUME MAINTENANCE FOR IT. YEAH. WELL WE'RE BACK TO THAT QUESTION. GAVE OUR NEW PARK . I'M SURE DALE WILL BE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE, WELL NOT ACREAGE BUT NUMBERS. HOW MANY NUMBERS PARK WE HAVE. CHRIS, BEFORE WE DEPART, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO, I THINK THE FEEDBACK'S BEEN HELPFUL. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU EVERYONE. THAT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. I THINK WE GOT TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA OBVIOUSLY DO E-BIKES. I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WE'D HAVE TIME WITH THIS, SO IT'LL FISH ON OUT, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR DOING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.