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CAN WE GET STARTED? ALRIGHT.HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR AGENDA,
[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing January 8, 2026 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the January 12th Agenda, the items below will be discussed: Revised Combined Traffic Calming and Speed Hump Policy Police Department changes to vehicle allowances and shift differential pay City recognized holidays Follow-up discussion on E-bikes This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
SO PROBABLY ACTUALLY WORKS FOR ME.UH, GETTING INTO, UH, WITH, ON THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA, WE'LL HAVE, UH, BADGE PENDING CEREMONY, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE, UH, LIEUTENANTS.
UH, WE HAVE THREE OF THEM AND AN OATH OF OFFICE FOR A COUPLE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
SO THAT'S ALL THESE GOOD HERE.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, A MODIFICATION TO OUR PAY PLAN.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED BEFORE TO, UH, ADD THE POSITION OF BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR TO HELP WITH AND COORDINATE REALLY, AND HELP US MANAGE ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET FROM BEGINNING TO END AND IN NON-BUDGET TIME TO REALLY, UH, BE ABLE TO ANALYZE, REPORT AND WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
THE SECOND ITEM, UH, IS, UH, AUTHORIZES A USE OF A COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL PROCESS FOR CONSULTING SERVICES.
AND THAT IS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, SOMETIME BEFORE TO UH, BEGIN, UH, THE PROCESS TO START OUR BRENTWOOD 2030 PLAN UPDATE.
AND SO, AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AGAIN, IT JUST, UH, ALLOWS US TO USE COMPETITIVE SEAL, UH, BID OR THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROCESS FOR THOSE, UM, UH, FOR THAT APPROACH TO PROCUREMENT AND GET THAT GOING.
AND THEN ONCE WE OBVIOUSLY GET THE, UH, CONSULTANT ON BOARD FROM THAT, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE INTO THE PROCESS.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO THAT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
UH, JUST AN IDEA OF THE, THAT THERE'S NOT A COST OUT TO THIS ITEM.
WE DO HAVE 75,000 IN THE BUDGETS, ACTUALLY, AS YOU REMEMBER, IN THE 2027 BUDGET, WE'RE MOVING IT TO 20 WELL, AND EVENTUALLY WITH YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AT THE, TOWARDS THE END, MOVE THAT INTO 20 INTO THIS YEAR.
BUT IT'S, WE HAVE 75,000, I DON'T KNOW YET UNTIL WE GET THESE PROPOSALS IN WHAT THIS WILL COST FOR SURE.
'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS 75.
THAT'S, THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE REALLY FOR NEXT YEAR THAT WE WOULD MOVE UP.
WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THE PROPOSALS IN.
UH, AND, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE CONTEXT TOO, IS WE'RE ANTICIPATING THIS AT THIS POINT, PRIMARILY IT'S JUST BEING, UH, AS WE HAVE BEFORE IN AMENDMENT TWO AND REALLY, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.
NOT A COMPLETE RE UH, NEW PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT CONTINUING TO WORK OFF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WE'VE DONE, I THINK TWO UPDATES.
AND THIS WOULD BE A THIRD UPDATE.
AND SO IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY INCREMENTAL.
THERE MAY BE A FEW AREAS WE EMPHASIZE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR CORPORATE CAMPUS IS KIND OF WHAT I CALL IT AROUND HERE, UH, YOU'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHAT, HOW DOES IT STAY VITAL IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS OR SO, RIGHT? AND SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, BUT NOTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANT SURPRISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL FINALIZE THE SCOPING AFTER THIS PROCESS AND WORK WITH YOU ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO SURPRISES.
SO WE CAN STAY CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEND OUT OUR NEWSLETTERS OR TALK TO PEOPLE OR TALK WITHIN THE CITY, ARE WE CALLING IT THE 2040 PLAN OR ARE WE CALLING IT THE UPDATED 2030 PLAN? I THINK I'VE BEEN REFERRING TO IT AS A 2030 PLAN UPDATE.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS.
I'D SAY I'VE BEEN CALLING THE 2040 PLAN.
I CAN, I CAN DEFER THAT POINT RIGHT THERE.
MY POINT I WRONG CALLED IT 2040 TOO.
AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT JUST BEING IS IT WAS AROUND 2016 YES.
WHEN WE DID THE 2030 PLAN, RIGHT? SO NOW IT'S 2026, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT TO TO, TO UPDATE TO A 2040 PLAN.
AND, AND I DID WANNA ASK, AND THOSE OF YOU ALL THAT HAVE JUST RECENTLY BEEN THROUGH AN ELECTION CYCLE, UM, TO, TO JASON'S POINT THROUGH THAT CYCLE AND TALKING TO ALL THE FOLKS THAT Y'ALL HAVE SPOKEN TO MM-HMM
DID YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING US TO DO LIKE A, A, A CLEAN SHEET PLAN? OR IS YOUR SENSE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND UPDATE, UH, UH, FOR CONSISTENCY THE ROAD WE'VE BEEN ON? OR DID Y'ALL, OR DID IT REALLY COME UP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO SPEAK OF, KEEP IN MIND THE DOCUMENT WILL LOOK LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE END.
IT WON'T LOOK LIKE JUST A PIECE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE OTHER, IT'S ALL GONNA BE TOGETHER, SO, SO IT WILL FEEL STANDALONE.
I, IT IT WASN'T REALLY A, A TOP, I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER.
YOU DON'T, I DON'T GET THAT ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION SPECIFICS.
OTHER THAN WANTING SIDEWALKS AND MORE CONNECTIVITY WHEREVER THAT PLAYS INTO THE 24 LANE, I, I THINK FROM SAYING, SAYING IT WAS MORE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS LIKE CONCERN THAT THIS AREA WAS GONNA HAVE VACANT BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THEM? UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT SENIOR HOUSING DOWN HERE, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF MM-HMM
NOT LIKE THEY WANTED TO TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN AND REDO IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YEAH, THE BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY.
CAN WE DO SOME KIND OF VILLAGE CONCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, SENIOR HOUSING? UM, AND THEN THE ROADS, WHICH ARE ALREADY BEING WORKED ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC ON CONCORD AND UM, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CONNECTIVITY, LIKE MORE SIDEWALKS, MORE PARKS, MORE MORE BIKE
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TRAILS KINDA STUFF.AND I GUESS TO REPHRASE THE QUESTION, I MEAN, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE 2030 PLAN FROM 2016, OR EVEN BACK TO THE 2006 UPDATE, THE 2020 PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT 10 CORE ISSUES AND YOU'VE JUST, YOU JUST MENTIONED LIKE FOUR OF 'EM, RIGHT? AND THOSE WERE THE ONES I HEARD MOST OFTEN.
AND, AND, AND SO IF THE CORE ISSUES ARE STILL PRETTY ACCURATE, THEN I THINK WHAT JASON'S DESCRIBING AND, AND, AND GOING THROUGH AND UPDATING OUR APPROACH AND OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUR RIGHT, OUR APPROACH TO THOSE CORE ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO THIS CHANGED COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO NOT, NOT SO MUCH THAT I, I DIDN'T RUN, BUT WHAT I'VE SENT OUT RESPONSE I'VE GOTTEN BACK HAS BEEN, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST UPDATE THIS AND KEEP IT.
'CAUSE THEY'VE, THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT AND WE WANT IT TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
SO, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD SO MUCH GROWTH TO THE EAST SINCE WE, SINCE THE 20, 20, 20, 20, 20 30 PLANS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, UM, THAT THAT'S, BUT WE'RE DOING ROADS ON THERE ALREADY, BUT THAT MIGHT JUST BE AN AREA THAT WE LOOK AT A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
AND THE MAJOR REFERRAL PLAN WILL BE UPDATED IN HERE.
AND EVEN IN TERMS OF SERVICES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THINGS.
AND WE'LL ALSO DO SURVEYING, SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT I DO THINK, I MEAN, THINGS I KEEP HEARING IS THEY LIKE BRENTWOOD TO BE DELIBERATE AND CONSISTENT.
AND SO DOING AN UPDATE FEELS MORE DELIBERATE AND CONSISTENT THAN COMPLETELY STARTING FROM SCRATCH, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH.
THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING TO THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM THREE IS AN UPDATE, UH, ADOPTING, I'M SORRY, WELL, ONE MORE THING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, BE DELIBERATE AND CONSISTENT BY ANY CHANCE, IS THE COMPANY THAT DID IT LAST TIME AROUND, STILL AROUND, WOULD THEY BE ONE OF THE ONES WHO APPROACH? THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT LISTED AS ONE OF OUR VENDORS IN OUR SYSTEM.
BUT I'M GONNA NOTIFY THEM SEPARATELY ONCE IN POST.
JUST ISN'T, AND AND BY NO MEANS AM I SAYING THEY'RE THE, UH, PRESUMPTIVE FRONT RUNNER, BUT, UH, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND ASKING THEM.
CONSENT ITEM THREE IS ADOPTING A CYBERSECURITY POLICY.
YOU'LL SEE BASICALLY THIS IS A FRAMEWORK POLICY.
IT'S, UH, ABOUT A TWO PAGE, IT JUST SETS FORTH THE FRAMEWORK WORK, NOT ALL THE DETAIL THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICY.
SO KIND OF FILLS A, UH, A GAP THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
RESOLUTION OR, UH, CONSENT ITEM FOUR, UH, EXPENSE FUNDS FROM THE WHOLE TRUST ACCOUNT FOR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AT, UH, LIBRARY FOR THE QUIET ROOM.
AND I WILL TAKE YOU TO A COUPLE SLIDES.
AND LEE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMMENTING A LITTLE BIT ON THESE, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.
WELL, WE, I PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE OF STAFF BASED ON THEIR SKILLSET TO CREATE A DESIGN PER THE LIBRARY BOARD'S APPROVAL.
AND THIS IS IN WHAT WAS THE TEAM SPACE IN THE BACK OF THE LIBRARY.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE USE OF THE WINDOW THE BEAUTIFUL WINDOW OF VIEW, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.
AND THEN ALSO WE EXPECT THESE TO MOSTLY BE USED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE'VE LAID THEM OUT IN AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WAY.
SO THE LIBRARY BOARD LIKED THE PLAN, UM, AS WELL AS THE COLOR PALETTE AND DESIGN, AND VOTED TO ASK YOU ALL TO RELEASE $220,000 FROM THE HOLT FUNDS.
AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE, UH, COORDINATOR RENTON TO GET, UH, FLOORING CONTRACTOR A PAINTER OR SOMEBODY TO ENCLOSE THE SPACE WITH WALLS.
AND THEN LIBRARY STAFF WILL PURCHASE THE FURNITURE.
WHAT WAS THAT AMOUNT AGAIN? LEE? 220,002 THAT COMES OUT OF A PORTION OF THE HOLT FUNDS THAT WERE A FOURTH OF IT IS FOR WHAT THEY CALL SHORT TERM PROJECTS.
AND THERE'S, UH, ALMOST BETWEEN 1.2 AND 1.3 MILLION LEFT FOR PROJECTS THERE.
SO YOU'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE WITH THAT.
AND AS LEE MENTIONED, THIS WILL COME OUT OF THERE AND THE ONES, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND WE'RE READY TO PUT IT, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO THIS IS THE PREVIOUS ONE? YEAH, WE GO, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IS THERE A LASER POINTER WITH THAT? UH, I THINK, YEAH, THE GREEN BUTTON.
THIS, IF YOU PICTURE THE, THE GLASS DOORS THAT GO INTO WHAT IS NOW THE TEEN SPACE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN LOOK AND APPEARANCE.
SO THERE'S A CONSISTENT FEEL AND THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN OVER HERE.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY GLAZING HERE AND HERE, WELL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THERE, BUT WITH THE DOORS AND THEN HERE AND THEN OVER HERE AS WELL.
SO, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE TOPPER AT THE TOP.
AND THEN THAT WILL PROBABLY SAY, YOU KNOW, QUIET READING ROOM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
UM, SO BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WORK THE CEILING, HAVING SOME CHANGES TO THE CEILING TO GIVE IT A BETTER AESTHETIC.
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ELECTRICAL OUTLETS THAT NEED TO BE RUN TO ALL THESE STATIONS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR DEVICES CHARGING.UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT COST COMES IN.
UM, OF COURSE FLOORING WOULD BE CHANGED OUT AS WELL.
SO ABOUT 150 IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COST, WHICH INCLUDES EVERYTHING JAY JUST MENTIONED.
WE'VE PUT IN 50,000 FOR FURNITURE AND THEN A 20,000 CONTINGENCY BECAUSE OF, UM, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO.
AND LEE, DO I RECALL THE FLOORING WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE LOBBY? CORRECT? YEAH.
AND WE'LL GET, UH, WE'LL GET QUOTES FOR THE MAJOR COMPONENTS AND THE, THE MANAGEMENT COORDINATION OF THOSE WILL BE FROM OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE COORDINATOR VERSUS HAVING THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR DO THE COORDINATION ASPECT OF THAT AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS ON THE FLOOR ALREADY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY FURNITURE BACK THERE AND PEOPLE ARE USING IT BEFORE IT'S OFFICIAL.
UM, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY BACK THERE USING IT AND, AND IT IS VERY QUIET.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC BACK THERE AT ALL.
AND ONCE IT'S CLOSED IN, I THINK IT'LL BE EVEN MORE POPULAR.
ALRIGHT, UH, CONSENT ITEM FIVE IS, UH, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT WITH PCAC, UNDERGROUND LLC FOR ANNUAL SEWER PIPELINE INSPECTION AND CLEANING SERVICES.
SO YOU'VE PROBABLY, MANY OF YOU PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE AS MENTIONED, IT IS ANNUAL, IT'S, UH, A REQUIREMENT BY THE EPA UNDER THE CAPACITY MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 225 MILES OF GRAVITY SEWER, AND YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO INSPECT ALL THOSE IF YOU'D LEARN
UM, SO THIS IS A, IT'S A PRETTY COOL PROCESS IN WHICH YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU BASICALLY, YOU CLEAN OUT AND YOU INSPECT AND, AND, AND TELL AND, AND WITH CAMERAS AND CLEAN OUT AT THE SAME TIME WITH HIGH PRESSURE EQUIPMENT, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
SOMETIMES IT, UH, WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO LATER SO WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO OUR MAINTENANCE OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IF WE NEED TO AS WELL.
UM, SO WE TRY TO DO, UH, ABOUT A 10TH OF THE SYSTEM, UM, EACH YEAR.
AND SO THIS IS ROUGHLY ABOUT A 10TH OF THE SYSTEM.
WE SOLICITED BIDS AND WE HAD EIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD REAL COMPETITIVE FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK.
THE LOWEST IS, UH, $274,740 BY BCAC, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE HIGHEST WAS 1,000,500 $59,010.
SO IT WAS A PRETTY BIG RANGE FOR THIS, WHICH IS SORT OF SURPRISING TO ME, BUT, UH, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
BUT WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WE LIKE 'EM, THEY'LL BE FINE.
AND SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THE LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY CLEAN ITEM AND UH, IT'S A LITTLE UNDER OUR TOTAL IS 274,740, WHICH IS UNDER A $300,000, UH, BUDGET FOR IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU OR FOR CHRIS OR, OR WHO, BUT, UM, SO IS IS PART OF WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, IS IT AS THEY'RE DOING THIS, THAT FEEDS BACK INTO OUR SEWER REHABILITATION PROGRAM IN TERMS OF FUTURE PROJECTS? YEAH.
IT'LL IDENTIFY REALLY ANY, ANY, UH, PROBLEM WITHIN THE SEWER THAT, OTHER THAN HOW IT'S JUST CLEANING OUT, UH, CRACKS, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, ALL THE STUFF GETS DOWN IN THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND
I, I A LOT OF GRAVEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE THESE THE STORMWATER SEWERS OR THE WASTE SOURCE WASTE? YEAH, TERRY.
THE, UH, I, I USED TO HAVE A UTILITY DIRECTOR.
HE WAS, HE KIDDED AND SAYS YEAH, WITH SEWER.
HE'S, HE SAID YOU CAN PLAY A GAME CALLED GUEST THE CRIED.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE ARE IN LINE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN A LOT IN THAT GAME.
UH, ITEM SIX, CONSENT ITEM SIX AGREEMENT WITH FRANKLIN MARRIOTT COAL SPRINGS FOR 2026, ANNUAL EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION DINNER.
THIS, UH, MAKE SURE WE GET IN LINE WHERE WE NEED TO BE SO WE CAN HOLD THE SPACE, UH, AS YOU JUST, WE JUST HAD THAT NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UM, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF TWO FACILITIES THAT CAN HOLD OUR GROUP AND, UH, ALWAYS HAVE HAD REALLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE EVENT THERE AND THE SERVICE AND THE FOOD AND SO FORTH.
UH, BEEN THERE, UH, THE LAST THREE YEARS.
AND SO, UH, TRYING TO GO THERE AGAIN.
AND THIS ALLOWS US TO, UH, GET IN, IN FRONT OF THE LINE AND, AND ACTUALLY GET OUR DATE SET FOR NOVEMBER 6TH AND, UH, HAVE THE SERVICES THERE.
SO WE HAD RE KIND OF RE-ESTIMATE THE COSTS AFTER THE LAST YEAR.
UH, AND, UH, WE HAVE THE TOTALS OF 30 3006 25.
WE THINK THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY GOOD BASED ON OUR PAST EXPERIENCE AND ESTIMATES AND SO FORTH.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT ITEM? SO DID THEY CHARGE ANY EXTRA FOR THE SOUND AND LIGHT SHOW LAST YEAR? WELL, THERE IS, THAT'S KIND OF FUNNY.
THERE IS A, A, UH, THE WAY THEY SEPARATED OUT, THEY HAVE THE MINIMUM FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMMITMENT, WHICH IS MOST OF IT.
THAT'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF IT, 21,000.
AND THEN THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, UH, AND THEN ALSO THERE IS AUDIO VISUAL SERVICES, UH, STAFFING AND SOME OTHER MISCELLANEOUS COSTS.
SO YOU KIND OF DIVIDE ALL THAT OUT.
YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO, SOME OF THESE THAT CAN HANDLE THIS.
WHAT'S THE OTHER? IS THE OTHER ONE? OKAY.
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YEAH.UH, CONSENT ITEM SEVEN IS, UH, PURCHASE NILE NETWORK EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR WORLDWIDE TECHNOLOGY.
AND THIS CONTINUES OUR EFFORT TO APPLY, UH, NILE IN THEIR, UH, SERVICES AND SOLUTION.
SO THIS IS NETWORK MAINTAINS NETWORK SERVICES, SWITCHES AND ACCESS POINTS.
UH, WE'VE INSTALLED IT ALREADY AT THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALLS.
WE'RE ADDING REMAINING BUILDINGS.
KIND OF WORKED ON FINISHING OUT THE PROJECT, UH, UH, DOING IT THROUGH A, UH, WORLDWIDE TECHNOLOGIES UNDER THE OMNIA PURCHASING COOPERATIVE.
AND, UH, TOTAL COST IS 71,415, UH, AND 24 CENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, UH, SET ITEM EIGHT, PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, GRAPHICS AND INSTALLATION SERVICES FOR SEVEN POLICE VEHICLES AND THEN PAINTING FOR FIVE.
AND SO, UH, WE, AS YOU, AS YOU'RE AWARE WITH POLICE VEHICLES, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EQUIPMENT AND STRIPING AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PAINTING.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, SCENARIOS HERE ON, ON THE, UH, INVITATION TO BIDS.
TWO DIFFERENT INVITATIONS WE DID GET FOR THE EQUIPMENT, UH, THE GRAPHICS AND INSTALLATION, UH, THREE SEAL BIDS RECEIVED.
UH, THE LOW BID IS FROM ON-DUTY DEPOT FROM MURPHYSBORO FOR A TOTAL OF $114,320 AND 44 CENTS.
WE'RE, UH, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED FOR THE PAINTING OF THE FIVE VEHICLES WE HAD, WE HAD JUST HAD ONE SEAL BID IN THIS CASE, UH, THAT WAS FROM CALIBER COLLISION, UH, FOR, UH, 2,150 PER VEHICLE, A TOTAL OF $10,750.
AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD ONE BID, WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BID.
AND SO, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, UH, OUT OF THE SEVEN VEHICLES THAT ARE ALL GOING TO BE EQUIPPED, WE HAVE, UH, FIVE OF 'EM ARE TAHOES AND TWO OF THEM ARE SILVERADOS.
UM, ANYWAY, UH, TOTAL AMOUNT FOR BOTH $125,070 AND 44 CENTS.
UM, I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WRAPS THEIR CARS INSTEAD OF PAINTING IS WRAPPING.
JIM, HAVE YOU, HAVE WE INVESTIGATED WRAPPING AT THIS POINT? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT IN THE PAST AND, UH, THE DURABILITY IS THE ISSUE THAT LASTING AS LONG.
NOW LOOKING, WELL, YOU HAVE SOME DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLES TOO THAT BEHIND THE WRAPPING.
SO WE LOOKED INTO IT, IT WASN'T A VIABLE OPTION A FEW YEARS AGO.
UNLESS THERE'S BEEN SOME ADVANCEMENTS I'M NOT AWARE OF.
YEAH, THERE'S NOT, ISN'T A LITTLE NOT AWARE OF.
WE, WE'VE GOT CUSTOMERS THAT WRAP THEIR CARS AND YEAH.
I, I DON'T RECOMMEND IT EITHER.
WE COULD PUT ALL YOUR FACES ON THE QUARTER PANEL.
I MEAN, OUR ADVANTAGE ADVANTAGES RIGHT.
I JUST WONDERED THAT THE GUY THAT DOES POLITICAL SIGNS DOWN IN FRANKLIN DOES THE WRAPPING FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO PICK UP YOUR SIGN FROM HIM, THERE'S USUALLY COUNTY SHERIFF STUFF ALL OVER THE MOST.
OH, IT MUST BE A PRETTY BIG BUSINESS FOR HIM.
AND I JUST, I JUST SAY THAT 'CAUSE YOU WALK IN AND YOU SEE IT.
NO, AND AND WRAPPING IS A BIG BUSINESS, AND I DON'T MEAN TO, NOT TRYING TO DISARM THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE 'CAUSE THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY.
BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING SOMEBODY, 'CAUSE WE RUN OUR POLICE VEHICLES PRETTY GOOD WHILE, AND, UH, THERE'D BE A HUGE GAP BETWEEN THE, THE DURABILITY OF THE VEHICLE, THE DURABILITY OF THE WRAP, SO YOU'D BE RE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE TIME THAT WE USE A VEHICLE.
WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OUR DARE VEHICLES.
WE'VE DONE SOME GRAPHICS, SOME WRAPPING ON OUR DARE VEHICLES BECAUSE THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE TEND TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FUN WITH THEM.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC.
WELL, I'M GONNA SOUND A LITTLE BIT LIKE COMMISSIONER DUNN HERE.
THAT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I DO THINK OUR, OUR VEHICLES USUALLY LOOK CLEAN AND WELL KEPT.
AND I MEAN, DO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE WE WASH 'EM OR YOU JUST GO THROUGH? WE DO, YEAH.
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, BRENTWOOD AUTO WASH.
SO EVERYONE HAS A KEY FOB, UH, RMID STICKER THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH, AND THEN WE GET A MONTHLY BILL BECAUSE IT DOES, I'VE BEEN IN CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE CLEAN CARS AND THEY JUST, THEY DON'T LOOK PROFESSIONAL.
AND YOU NEVER WANT SEE WASH ME, LIKE WRITTEN ON THE
THOSE ARE THE UNDERCOVER CARS THAT WE KEEP DOING.
IS THE PAINTING JUST TO REPAIR JOBS ON THOSE FIVE VEHICLES? NO, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TO BUY, UH, A SILVER VEHICLE AND SINCE OURS ARE TWO TONED, WE HAVE TO HAVE BASICALLY HALF THE VEHICLE PAINTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ITEM NINE, UH, APPROVED, UH, PURCHASE FIBER AND REPLACEMENT MATERIALS.
THIS IS, UH, PART OF OUR ONGOING PROJECT FOR FIBER, UH, REPLACEMENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR OUR OPERATIONS.
UH, WE'VE CONSISTENTLY PURCHASED IT THROUGH MILLENNIUM, UH, AND HAVE BEEN VERY SATISFIED WITH THE PRODUCT AND THE DELIVERY.
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THIS CASE, TO ENSURE THE CONTINUITY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS ITEM DOES REQUEST A WAIVER OF THE BID PROCESS TO ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PURCHASE THE FIBER STRAIGHT, UH, FROM MILLENNIUM, UH, UP TO $50,000 FOR WHEN IT COMES OUT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND BUDGET.WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
AND SO OUR PRIMARY, UH, FIRST ITEM UNDER THE NEW BUSINESS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT AMENDS, UH, A VARIETY OF SECTIONS OF OUR CHAPTER 78, WHICH IS THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
AND IT'S CALLED A PERSONAL WIRELESS SERVICE FACILITY.
SO THIS, UH, THE, THE, THE TYPICAL PHRASING IS CELLULAR TOWERS FOR CELLULAR SERVICES, WIRELESS SERVICES.
UM, DO WANNA LET EVERYONE KNOW WE HAVE, UH, MR. MICHAEL FER WORKS WITH, UH, VOGUE, WHICH IS A COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY CITES THESE.
AND SO VERY GOOD, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOVE OUR HEADS, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN MAYBE HELP ANSWER THOSE.
BUT I'LL TAKE YOU, WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE AND I, I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION, UH, BUT, UH, JUST IT'S, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO I'LL KIND OF FLIP THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY.
BUT WHY WE'RE HERE IS REALLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE AND WHY WE'RE HERE IS THERE ARE MANY AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY, PRIMARILY EAST AND SOUTHEAST, THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT GAPS THAT EITHER HAVE VERY POOR SERVICE OR NO SERVICE.
AND, AND THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE.
AND THERE'S THERE PROBABLY A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
I THINK OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE IS PRETTY OLD AND, UH, AND AT THE TIME IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PRETTY TIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION.
IT WAS INTENDED TO TRY TO BALANCE THE NEED AND THE AESTHETICS AND PLACEMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS YOU TRY TO DO.
AND, AND, AND PROBABLY AS TIGHTER THAN EVEN AT THAT TIME, MANY OF THE ORDINANCES AROUND US WERE, UH, CERTAINLY HAS PROVEN TO BE THAT.
AND WE, UH, FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE COVERAGE IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHERE THE COVERAGE NEEDS ARE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ENOUGH CUSTOMERS THERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE COVERAGE.
AND SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT COMPLETELY OVERHAUL AND CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TO CARVE OUT A A WE ADDRESS THESE THINGS IN TIERS, IT'S TO ADDRESS AND CREATE ANOTHER TIER AND TO, UH, TRY TO, TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT WOULD BE A NEEDS-BASED APPROACH.
IN OTHER WORDS, HISTORICALLY IN COMMUNITIES LIKE CO-LOCATION, BUT YOU MIGHT SEE A TOWER HERE FOR ONE COMPANY AND ANOTHER TOWER FOR ANOTHER.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TARGETING, WE'RE TARGETING, UH, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW THROUGH PROPAGATION STUDY IF THEY APPLY THAT THERE IS INSUFFICIENT OR NO SERVICE THERE.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE SERVICE.
AND, AND THAT GOES INTO THE HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING IS TO, TO PROVIDE THE, THE PROPER SERVICE AND, UH, WITH A STRONG, UH, EMPHASIS ON CO-LOCATION AND ALSO, UH, ON ANY WAY YOU CAN DISGUISE IT.
AND, AND THE, THE POINT THAT I DO LIKE TO ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE IS THAT, UH, IF YOU, WHEN YOU TRY TO DISGUISE, IF YOU PLACE IT BEHIND A TOWER BEHIND LIKE A WATER TOWER OR A WATER TANK OR BEHIND A BUILDING OR BEHIND A BUNCH OF TREES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET SERVICE.
SO YOU DO HAVE TO GIVE IT SOME CLEARANCE ABOVE THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND THAT ALL DEPENDS ON THE AREA THAT'S IN THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SO FORTH.
AND SO THIS IS ALL BASED ON TECHNICAL NEEDS BASED APPROACH IN WHICH WE GET, WE CAN USE A THIRD PARTY TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS AND AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY.
SO WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE TOO, UM, TO TRY TO FIT REALLY WHERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE SERVICE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SERVICES.
AND SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT REALLY, THE, THE GENERALLY THE PROCESS IS FOR THE MOST PART THE SAME.
THIS ACTUALLY IT DOES HAVE A NOTICE PROVISION IN THERE, UH, FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN I THINK A THOUSAND FEET, UM, TO BE AWARE OF THE PROCESS.
UM, AND IT REALLY IS A NEEDS-BASED APPROACH.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT NEED-BASED PER CARRIER, IT'S A NEED-BASED FOR THE ACTUAL TOWER WITH AN EXPECTATION OF CO-LOCATION OF MULTIPLE CARRIERS.
AND SO, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'VE MISSED IN THAT.
BUT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR QUITE A LONG TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, IT'S, UH, THOSE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLE MAPS THAT SHOW YOU OBVIOUSLY GREEN, UH, MEANS YOU CAN GET SERVICE IN BUILDING YELLOW AND VEHICLE OR OUTSIDE AND THEN ON THE STREET.
UM, AND SO WE WANT TO SEE THE MAPS GO AWAY FROM A LOT OF THE YELLOW AND ORANGE AND INTO MORE GREEN IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE WE DO EXPECT TO SEE APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD TO PROVIDE SERVICE IN THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE, DO NOT HAVE THE GREEN.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
SO THAT TYPE OF OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS HAS GOTTA BE BEHIND THESE APPLICATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO VOLUNTEER MY HOME OFFICE
AND SO THIS WILL BE A TIER FOUR, WE CALL TIER FOUR APPROACH.
WE HAVE THREE TIERS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE, UH, UH, ORANGE AND WE WANT TO SEE A LOT MORE GREEN, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT ANYTIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIDING, UH, CELLULAR TOWERS, IT CAN GENERATE A LOT OF ATTENTION.
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UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS APPROACH AND, AND I, I DO WANT TO, UH, UH, UH, SHOW MY APPRECIATION FOR MICHAEL AND HIS WORK AND 'CAUSE ANYTIME WE'VE HAD A QUESTION, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO HELP US WITH THAT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY SIMPLY TO ADDRESS THE LACK OF SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF THESE, UH, MULTI-USE PASS OUT THERE MM-HMM
SO IF YOU'RE WALKING, WALKING WITH YOUR KIDS, YOU'RE JOGGING, YOU'RE ON A BICYCLE, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE WIFI LIKE YOU, YOU MIGHT AT HOME, RIGHT.
WITH YOUR PHONE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU HAVE A HEALTH CARE, YOU NEED SERVICE.
NO, UH, OTHERWISE IT COULD BE A LONG TIME BEFORE SOMEONE SEES YOU AND YOU COULD GET HELP.
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, SO IT'S IMPORTANT FROM A, A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND, AND, AND GET, AGAIN, UH, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, PEOPLE USE THEIR PHONES FOR EVERYTHING NOW.
THE TECHNOLOGY'S THERE, IT'S FOR EVERYTHING.
SO WHEREVER YOU'RE AT, YOU KIND OF DO EXPECT TO HAVE QUALITY SERVICE.
AND SO, WELL, IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTIONED, I MEAN, WITH THE ONE ACRE LOTS, LIKE AT OUR HOUSE, THEY'VE GOT A GOOD WIFI, BUT BECAUSE OUR HOUSE IS IS CITED TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE LOT, MY BACKYARD
I MEAN, EVEN ON MY OWN PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE SERVICE.
SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO HAVE THE TOWERS THAT ARE NECESSARY, DISGUISE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN AREAS THAT NEED THEM THE VERY MOST AND NOWHERE ELSE.
AND SO LATER AS, AND YOU MAY GET EVEN AFTER TODAY, UH, WHEN THIS GETS OUT AND IT'S ON THE AGENDA, YOU MIGHT START TO GET FOLKS THAT CONTACT YOU.
I THINK THE POINT IS, IS TO LET 'EM KNOW THIS IS NOT AN UNFETTERED CHANGE IN APPROACH.
IT'S LITERALLY TO SHOW THE NEED TECHNICALLY AND SHOW, UH, THAT WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING MEETS THE NEED AND NOTHING MORE.
AND TO KEEP MULTIPLE COMPANIES ON THE SAME TOWER.
UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
AND THE, THE ALTERNATE, WE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT AS TIGHT AS IT COULD BE TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER ALTERNATE IS YOU DON'T HAVE SERVICE.
AND SO IF WE, IF WE WENT BACK AND, AND WE SAID, BUT YOU SAID, WELL, CAN WE TWEAK IT MORE TO STILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE, BUT SOMEHOW PROTECT THIS OR PROTECT THAT OR DISGUISE MORE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS ON THE DISGUISING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD, UH, DISCRETION FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE A, WE, WE HAVE A GREAT PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AND, UH, WE PUT THAT FAITH AND TRUST IN THEM TO DO THAT PART FOR YOU AS WELL WHEN YOU GET AN APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE CRUX OF IT.
SO THIS BASICALLY, UH, LOOSENS UP THAT PROHIBITIVE LANGUAGE THAT HAS KEPT THEM OUT SO FAR, THESE, THESE SERVICE PROVIDERS.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WOULD BE, THESE WOULD BE TYPICALLY A TYPE THREE.
UH, AND IT, IT, IT CREATES A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR THEM.
AND, UH, IT DOES, IT LOOSENS UP.
AND THE HEIGHT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT IT LOOSENS UP BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IS THE THING THAT WE BELIEVE IS DISCOURAGING.
THE OTHER THING IS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE IS WE GREW UP WITH, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU, I THINK I HAD IN HERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF, UH, I SHOWED LATTICE TOWERS AND ALL THE OTHER, WELL, I'LL USE THAT.
THE TOWER ON THE RIGHT IS THE LATTICE TOWER.
UH, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL EYE THE BEHOLDER, BUT THOSE ARE LOOKED AT AS NOT BEING VERY ATTRACTIVE.
THE MONOPOLE, WHICH BASICALLY YOU SEE THE LEAST AMOUNT POSSIBLE ON THE LEFT, IS THE TYPE THAT WOULD BE EMPHASIZED, UH, IN THAT.
BUT HISTORICALLY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE AND LOOKED AT THOSE FALL ZONES BECAUSE YOU PRESUME IT FALLS FROM THE BASE LIKE THAT.
AND SO THEY HAVE THOSE, I CALL 'EM PINCH POINTS, BUT THEY'RE ENGINEERED POINTS.
AND SO THEY'RE A MUCH SAFER APPROACH THAN THEY USED, THAN THE SAME MONOPOLE USED TO BE BASED ON THAT AS WELL.
WHERE SOME OF THIS IS RECOGNITION OF THOSE ADVANCED CHANGES IN THESE, AND, AND SO THE PLACEMENT OF THESE IS GONNA BE DRIVEN BY THE, I MEAN, NOT THE, THE SPECIFIC PLACEMENTS, BUT THE NEED FOR ONE IS GONNA BE DRIVEN BY A CARRIER WHO WILL THEN APPLY TO PUT UP ONE OF THESE, OR NOT THE CITY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA PUT ONE UP OVER HERE.
WE, WE EXPECT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE CARRIER NEED FOR SERVICE SCENARIOS.
SO WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED TO CONTACT THEIR CARRIER THEN IF THEY'RE SURE THEY, OKAY.
IF THEY'RE SAYING, BOY, WE REALLY NEED THIS.
AND YEAH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AT T OR YOU'RE VERIZON OR WHICH WHATEVER CARRIER, SOMETIMES A LOT OF TIMES OUR CO-LOCATION SHARED AND ALL OF THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD NOT THE THING, RATHER THAN CONTACTING YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY, HERE'S HERE'S OUR PREDETERMINED PLACES THAT THE NEED AND THE PROPAGATION STUDIES WILL DETERMINE THAT BASED ON THE CARRIERS THEN RESPONDING TO THAT.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I I DO KNOW THAT LIKE SOME OF THE, THE CALLS I'VE GOTTEN EARLIER ON, OR, OR REALLY, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD FAMOUSLY BAD CELL SERVICE FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? SO OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE PEOPLE CALL ME AND SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU PUT ONE UP IN SUCH AND SUCH A SPOT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A SPOT WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BOTHER ANYONE.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.
YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING FIRST AND SAY, WHERE DOES IT NEED TO GO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, BOTH FROM A LOCATION FOR HEIGHT, AND IS, IS THAT ESSENTIALLY CORRECT? SO THAT THE ENGINEERS KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, AND THEN WE JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER INTRUSIVE WAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP A, A TOWER THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ANYONE, DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY IF IT'S
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NOT IN THE RIGHT SPOT.ONE THING TO NOTE IS, IS IN THIS TIER FOUR, IT ALLOWS THE TOWER UP TO A HEIGHT OF 160 FEET, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY ALLOW.
BUT IT DOESN'T GRANT THAT AS AN AL AS A, AS A DEFAULT.
IT'S ABOUT THE STUDY NEEDS TO DETERMINE HOW HIGH IT NEEDS TO BE FOR THE CLEARANCE TO DO WHAT IT, AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO.
BUT THAT HEIGHT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU SAY WE CAN ONLY PEAK ABOUT 10 FEET ABOVE THAT, THAT PROBABLY ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE ANTENNAS AND TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE STUDY AND OUR ABILITY TO REVIEW THE STUDY WITH THE THIRD PARTY, UH, KIND OF, UH, I, I WOULD SAY FROM A BASEBALL ANALOGY, IT KEEPS THE RUNNER CLOSER TO FIRST
WELL, THIS IS THE CASE WHERE, WHERE THE PITCHER WE GET TO THROWBACK AND KEEP 'EM WITHIN A COUPLE STEPS.
THAT'S KIND OF ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THAT'S GOOD.
COULD YOU SHOW THE MAP THE, YOUR PRE AND POST MAPS? SO THAT'S PRE IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AND POST IS WHAT WE THINK IF WE WILL PUT OR HAS POST ALREADY OCCURRED TO? YEAH, THIS IS NOT LIKE AN EXACT FOR HERE.
THIS, I THINK, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, TODD, THIS CAME FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION ITEM RECENTLY WHERE THEY ADDED ANTENNAS TO AN EXISTING TOWER.
IT DID, I BELIEVE IT WAS RAGSDALE AREA.
BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU A BIT OF AN INDICATION OF THE IMPACT YOU CAN HAVE NOW.
I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT IN THE AREA, SOME OF THE AREAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WOULD BE AT LEAST AS BAD AS THE PRE MAP HERE.
UH, AND, AND HOPEFULLY EVEN MORE GREEN THAN EVEN ON THE POST.
UH, AGAIN, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS A BIG FACTOR HERE.
WHAT I, IT'S TOO FAR AWAY FOR ME TO READ THE LITTLE PRINT, BUT WHAT IS THAT MAIN AREA OF ORANGE THAT COMES FROM LIKE THE 11 O'CLOCK POSITION DOWN TO THE SIX O'CLOCK POSITION? THE ORANGE IS THAT ALONG A RIDGE LINE THAT'S WHITE THERE, BUT IT'S CONSISTENT ON BOTH MAPS.
THAT'S AN, IT'S LIKE AN READING.
THE ORANGE IS WHAT'S ON WHAT YOU GOT ON THE STREET.
WELL, IT JUST, THE ENVE VEHICLE, IF I WAS GONNA GUESS THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, I CAN'T READ THE LITTLE PRINT PARK.
YEAH, I WOULD GUESS WILSON PIKE, JUST, JUST FROM EXPERIENCE AND DO, DO WE OR THE CARRIER CHOOSE WHETHER IT'S A TREE OR THE, THE MONO OR THE BLACK, THE CARRIER WILL, WILL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THEIR APPLICATION IS, IS THEY WILL OF COURSE, UH, BE EXPECTED TO HAVE A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEW ORDINANCE AND THEIR, AND THE EXPECTATIONS TO CAMOUFLAGE.
SO WHAT I THINK WE WOULD EXPECT, I'LL LOOK AT THESE GUYS IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY WILL LOOK AT AND PROPOSE HOW IT WOULD BE CAMOUFLAGED.
AND IN THAT CASE, THAT APPLICATION'S IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IF I MAY ADD, WE DID, AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE DID ADD THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE 160 FOOT PALM TREE
SO NOT, NOT TO SAY THAT THEY WERE
THAT DOESN'T, YEAH, IT DOESN'T TO THE VERY BEST.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION CAN WORK WITH THEM AND SAY, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN DO? IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SAFEGUARD AS WELL.
SO TO KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH THE TIMELINE, THEN THE FIRST READING FOR YOU, OF COURSE, WILL BE ON THE 12TH.
THAT GETS THE PROCESS STARTED, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, REVIEWS ON THE 2ND OF FEBRUARY, MONDAY THE SECOND, AND THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO YOUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 9TH OF FEBRUARY, AND THEN SECOND FINAL RING ON THE 23RD.
THAT ASSUMES IT, IT CONTINUES THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS.
IT DEPENDS IF THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST AND DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU, UH, YOU OR, AND OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANT TO TAKE, YOU CAN ALWAYS EXTEND THAT IF YOU WANT TO.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL JUST, UH, ONE, ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT, AND I'VE HEARD A COUPLE FOLKS AND LIKE THE, THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH THIS PRETTY RECENTLY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE STUFF THEY HAD TO UPDATE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE SOME BUILT IN, I THINK IT'S A THOUSAND FEET WHERE WE NOTIFY PEOPLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE BENEFIT OF THESE, THESE, THE SERVICE IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE THOUSAND FEET, YOU KNOW, THESE YEAH.
THESE, THESE TOWERS, YOU KNOW, WHO SERVE WHOLE REGIONS OF THE CITY, SO TO SPEAK, EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN, HE'S REGIONAL, RIGHT? BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, BUT THREE OR FOUR TOWERS CAN COVER A BIG CHUNK OF BRENTWOOD MM-HMM
IF NOT FIXEDLY PART OF THE PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE DEFINITELY WANNA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, HOW PEOPLE FEEL AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S AS UNINTRUSIVE AS LOW IMPACT AS POSSIBLE ON FOLKS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T COMPLETELY DEFER TO THE FOLKS IN A THOUSAND FEET WHEN IT REALLY IMPACTS THE WHOLE SECTION OF THE CITY.
I THINK WE MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST BRIEFING WHEN IT CAME UP.
WE INITIALLY ACTUALLY HAD A 30 DAY NOTICE AND WITH THE WAY THAT THE FEDERAL SHOT CLOCK WORKS, AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PHRASE, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES WITHIN WHICH THE, UM, REVIEWING BODY HAS TO EITHER GRANT OR DENY A A CELL APPLICATION.
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THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE GONNA PUSH US A INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A STRESS POSITION.AND ALSO WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE GET THAT THIS ISN'T A FREE FOR ALL THAT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA, THEN IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT A STAFF LEVEL OF WHAT THE NOTIFICATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND IT'S NOT, YOU GET TO COME OUT AND TRY TO GET THIS TOWER TO GO AWAY.
IT'S THIS TOWER HAS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLIED FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO JUST, SO TO YOUR POINT, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, TIMING'S IMPORTANT.
KRISTEN BRINGS UP THE FEDERAL SHOCK, FEDERAL LAW THAT DICTATES THE TIME YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU SET ON IT IN THAT TIME, THE FEDERAL LAW WILL, WILL APPROVE IT FOR IT.
AND SO YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT DISCRETION TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND BE COGNIZANT OF THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IS AGAIN, ALONG THE WAY, THERE MAY BE FOLKS THAT COME IN AND HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT, RIGHT? THAT DON'T LIVE IN THAT OR ACTUALLY LIVE IN AN AREA WITH ALREADY GOOD COVERAGE.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WHERE YOU CAN SAY, IF YOU HAVE REALLY STRONG GOOD COVERAGE, RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU.
THIS IS ABOUT FILLING IN WHERE WE DON'T, IT'S NOT ABOUT PUTTING MORE TOWERS WHERE WE ALREADY DO IN TERMS OF THE LAND, WHERE IT GETS BUILT ON, UM, SINCE IT'S A, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED PUBLIC UTILITIES.
RIGHT? SO CAN THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO TAKE LAND BY EMINENT DOMAIN OR, YOU KNOW? NO, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IN, RIGHT.
SO TENNESSEE IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER WOULD HAVE TO, AT AND T WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE OR LEASE FROM YEAH.
AN HOA OR A HOME, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT'S, WELL, DAN, WE LIMIT THAT AS, AS WELL HERE TO, TO GOVERNMENT, UH, OR QUASI GOVERNMENT.
UH, WE, THE HOAS YOU MENTIONED HOA COMMON PROPERTY, WHICH CREATES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL TOO, BECAUSE IT DOES CREATE ANOTHER LAND USE PROCESS, WHICH WITH PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD RUN SEMI CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, TRYING TO THINK IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, BUT I THINK IT'S THE YEAH, THE GOVERNMENT OR QUASI GOVERNMENT.
SO NOT ANY, NOT ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S PART OF THAT REASON IS, AND THAT THAT CAN INHIBIT THINGS A LITTLE BIT.
PART OF THAT IS TO TRY TO, AGAIN, JUST ADDRESS THE NEED AND NOT HAVE PROLIFERATION WHEREVER.
I KNOW THERE, THERE ARE CHURCHES THAT HAVE 'EM IN THE STEEPS AND THEY PAY RENT MM-HMM
UM, SO, SO I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CONSIDER THESE THINGS DESIRABLE FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT.
AND, AND NOT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON IT, BUT PART OF THE, LIKE JASON MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT HAVING MULTIPLE CARRIERS IN THE SAME TOWER.
I THINK PREDOMINANTLY THERE'S A, A COMPANY THAT'S NOT AT T OR VERIZON, BUT THAT ACTUALLY OWNS THE TIRES.
OR TOWERS AND LEASE THE SPACE AT T AND VERIZON AND T-MOBILE.
SO THEY WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD APPLY FOR IT.
SO THEY'RE THE ONE I THINK THAT GOES THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY KIND OF BUSINESS.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT LAYERS TO IT.
SO THEY ALL COLLABORATE AND THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES THEY PLAY.
THAT'S THE SLIDE WITH THE BULLET POINT THAT IT'S A GOVERNMENT OR QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY SUCH AS A UTILITY DISTRICT OR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ON THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION YARD COMING BACK IN TO DEAL WITH THEIR LAND USE AS WELL.
SO IF ONCE THEY, UH, DETERMINE THE NEED, IS IT THEN THE BALL STILL IN THEIR COURT TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION AND THAT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US.
OH, WELL, THE, THE, UH, THE CARRIER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YES.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL, WHEN THEY APPLY, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR FULL PACKAGE AND THEY'LL HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE LOCATION THEY WANT TO BE BEFORE THEY COME TO YOU.
THEY'LL ALREADY HAVE NEEDED TO BE WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE GOVERNMENT, QUITE A GOVERNMENT OR RESIDENTIAL.
SO, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T DO 'EM ANY GOOD NOT TO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM.
I'VE ALREADY PROBABLY HAD SOME KIND OF A DEAL OR A, A PRE-DEAL CONSENT OF SOME KIND, UH, WHERE THEY BRING IN SO THAT WHEN, WHEN THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION GETS IT, THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN BE AT THAT LOCATION AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THAT FULL PACKAGE AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
THE PROPAGATION WILL BE WORKING THEN, UH, TO HAVE THE THIRD PARTY REVIEW.
AND THAT'LL BE INFORMATION THAT ALSO GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WORK WITH THEM ON THE DISGUISING AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO ALL THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT IS AN APPLICATION, THEY'LL HAVE DONE ALL THE PRE-WORK AND BROUGHT IT IN AS A PACKAGE FOR THAT REVIEW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD RECOGNIZE WE WON'T PRETTY BE, THERE'S NO STATE LAW THAT SUPERSEDES WHAT WE WE'RE GONNA DO.
THIS IS ALL DICTATED BY FEDERAL LAW.
AND THERE ARE STATE LAWS, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE STATE LAW AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, MAYBE TODD REMEMBERS THERE WERE LIKE SMALL, THE SMALL CELLS SO THAT THEY COULD PUT ONE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT THIS IS NOT, THIS IS DICTATED BY FEDERAL AND I MEAN, AGAIN, THERE ARE STATE LAWS TOO, BUT THIS IS PRIMARILY WE'RE DEALING WITH FEDERAL LAWS, BUT THESE, YEP.
APPRECIATE THE, THE QUESTIONS.
UH, IT IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT ITEM, UM, UNDER, UH, NEW BUSINESS, UH, NUMBER TWO, APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
IT'S, UH, TO SERVE THREE YEAR TERM EXPIRING.
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YEAH.APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER AND THEN OKAY, THEN A NOTICE OF THE FUTURE.
SO WE HAVE TWO APPOINTMENT, UH, ITEMS RELATED TO BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
ONE IS AN APPOINTMENT, ONE IS A NOTICE OF THE FUTURE APPOINTMENT.
AND SO THE NOTICE OF THE FUTURE APPOINTMENT IS FOR THE FULL TERM, BUT THE, UH, APPOINTMENT IS TO SERVE AN UNEXPIRED TERM.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED, UH, OF LISA ROTHMAN ENDING ON MARCH 31ST, 2027.
SO THIS WOULD DISAPPOINTMENT WOULD FILL THAT UN EXPIRED TERM.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FILLING OF AN, UH, A FULL TIME COMING UP HERE.
AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR MONDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, OKAY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP INTO SOMETHING HERE REAL QUICK THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
UM, SO YESTERDAY, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND, AND RESIDENT PAUL WEBB, HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB TRYING TO KEEP US INFORMED OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S AGENDA THAT, UH, COULD AFFECT US.
AND SO HE MADE, UH, MADE ME AWARE OF A RESOLUTION AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PRINT IT THAT SMALL
WHAT IT IS IS IT'S A, IT'S A, IT WAS FROM, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, UH, BILL PETTY.
UM, AND SO, UH, BILL PETTY SPONSORING THIS BILL TO BE ON THEIR MONDAY AGENDA.
AND WHAT IT IS, IT'S A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT IF APPROVED WOULD BE THE, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS REQUESTING REVIEW AMENDMENT AND OR REPEAL OF THE TENNESSEE COMPREHENSIVE GROWTH PLAN, WHICH IS PUBLIC CHAPTER 1101 IN THE STATUTES.
AND THAT'S WHAT DEALS WITH URBAN GROWTH AREAS, ANNEXATION, SO FORTH.
AND SO WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE, WHEREAS IS BASICALLY, IT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD HISTORY OF THAT CHAPTER 1101 LAW.
IT TALKS ABOUT SOME AMENDMENTS.
UH, ONE AMENDMENT, UH, ELIMINATED, UH, WHAT MADE IT WHERE THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GET CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THE NON-CONSENT ANNEXATIONS WENT AWAY.
IT'S A GOOD THING IF YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND IT, IT, AND BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES ANNEXATION ONLY WITHIN YOUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AREA, IT DID ALLOW NON-CONTIGUOUS, UH, AS AN AMENDMENT IN, UH, 2017.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT IS TO REDUCE CONFLICT IN CITIES AND COUNTIES, WHICH ANYTIME YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL.
UM, AND THEN IT GOES IN TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T DO THAT, AND IT GOES INTO SAYING THE, WHEREAS IS HOW IT COSTS THE COUNTY SIGNIFICANT FUNDS, UH, AND SO FORTH, SCHOOLS, ROADS AND, AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK WITH SOME OF OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS.
AND SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I ASK IS THERE A REPORT THAT INDICATES THIS DIRECT COST TO THE COUNTY BASED ON ANNEXATIONS WHEN YOU SENT WILLIAMS COUNTY? THE ANSWER'S NO.
UM, WHICH I, I ANTICIPATED, BUT I WANTED TO TO KNOW IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
UM, PRIMARILY THIS BILL APPEARS TO BE BASICALLY, UH, TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO ARE PERHAPS NOT AS SUPPORTIVE OF GROWTH IN THE AREA.
AND THAT'S KIND OF TYPICAL WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND YOU HEAR ABOUT COMPLAINTS OF TRAFFIC AND THINGS THERE, FOLKS ARE LIKE, OH, WE GOTTA STOP THE GROWTH.
THERE ARE ALWAYS OPINIONS ON THESE THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE, UH, I WAS TOLD THIS IS SORT OF COMING FROM, I WAS TOLD IT, I MEAN, ANY BILL CAN PASS.
AND SO THIS ONE'S SORT OF IN THE CATEGORY OF NO ONE'S ABLE TO SAY, WELL, IT WON'T PASS, BUT THEY WOULDN'T SAY IT COULD, IT WILL PASS, BUT IT IS IN THE, IT'S IN THAT IT COULD PASS.
UH, BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, AS WE KNOW IN IN TENNESSEE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW, WAS IT 22, 23, UH, COUNTY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
AND SO, UH, THEY, I THINK THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT IT COULD PASS.
IT'S JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT.
BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT THOUGH, ON THE BACK, UNDER THE THEREFORE, WHEREAS IS THERE THE HISTORY, THE THEREFORE IS WHAT IT DOES, RIGHT? SO UNDER THE, THEREFORE IT REALLY, IT DOES A COUPLE, AT FIRST IT SEEMS, OKAY, IT SAYS, UH, REVIEW PUBLIC CHAPTER 1101.
I'M ALWAYS FINE WITH THE REVIEW.
BUT THEN IT SAYS THAT IT SHOULD REQUIRE COUNTY APPROVAL FOR ALL ANNEXATIONS AFFECTING COUNTY PROVIDED SERVICES.
NOW, BECAUSE THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOLS HERE ARE PART OF THE COUNTY, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, I BELIEVE THAT IF, UH, ANY CITY ANNEXES ANY PROPERTY AND IT ADDS ONE CHILD TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S AN EFFECT.
AND THEREFORE IT WOULD PROBABLY TRIGGER THIS.
SO IT MEANS IN ESSENCE THAT THE COUNTY, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD COULD VETO ANY CITY ANNEXATIONS.
AND IT SAYS IN THE ALTERNATIVE, JUST FULLY REPEAL THEM.
OH ONE, I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE SHORTSIGHTED, TO BE HONEST, UH, WITH YOU.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE ISSUES THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ARE REALLY, UH, HAVE BEEN REALLY STUDIED.
WE HAVE A, UH, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNTY COORDINATES A VERY, VERY NICE CONVERSATION VENUE, UH, THAT, UH, COUNTY MAYOR ROGERS ANDERSON, UH, CHAIRS, AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME, AND THIS HAS NEVER COME UP IN THAT.
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ME IT'S A VERY PREMATURE APPROACH TO SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY DOES NEED CONVERSATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU HAVE GROWTH ISSUES, YOU NEED CONVERSATION ABOUT GROWTH ISSUES.THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, TOO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND I'LL LET KRISTEN TALK ABOUT THIS IF I'M OFF ON THIS, BUT GENERALLY IN, IN MOST STATES, INCLUDING TENNESSEE, CITIES CAN'T TELL COUNTIES WHAT TO DO.
COUNTIES TYPICALLY CAN'T TELL CITIES WHAT TO DO.
THEY HAVE SERVICES, THEY OFTEN ISSUE OVERLAP AREAS, AND THEN YOU TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AND WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AND, AND, AND YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVERYWHERE.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE IF IT WOULD ALLOW A COUNTY, ANY COUNTY IN THE STATE TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T ANNEX TOO BAD.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A REASON.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AS IT RELATES TO THE ROLE OF CITIES AND THE ROLE OF COUNTIES IN THE STATE.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS SIMPLY GOING BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
HONESTLY, IF THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE IS SOMEWHAT ABOUT THESE NON-CONTIGUOUS SUBDIVISIONS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN BRENTWOOD, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
BUT THOSE AREAS, PERHAPS THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THE, UH, COST FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SHARED IN THOSE AREAS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO WITH IT.
BECAUSE IT'S, I CAN SEE THAT WHETHER IT'S A SCHOOL OR WHETHER, UH, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE, ARE, ARE NOW BEING DUMPED ONTO A COUNTY ROAD THAT'S UNIMPROVED AND, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO IMPROVE IT OR FEEL LIKE THE CITY SHOULD, IF THE CITY'S DEVELOPING ADJACENT TO THAT ROAD DOESN'T WANNA TAKE OVER THE ROAD.
I CAN SEE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THEN AT THAT POINT.
SO THE POINT OF THIS IS, UH, PAUL HAD ASKED US, HE WANTED TO BE SURE WE WERE AWARE, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE AND, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS UP ON MONDAY, THAT'S WHY I'M ADDING IT IN HERE JUST TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A MESSAGE.
HE SAID IF THE, HE SAYS HE ANTICIPATED THAT WE MIGHT NOT LIKE THIS AND HE UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT HE SAID, IF NOT, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO COMMUNICATE THAT, UH, TO THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
AND SO I GUESS MY, UH, MY TAKE HERE IS IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD, UH, RATHER THAT YOU DON'T SUPPORT, RATHER THAN NOT DO LETTING ME KNOW, I'M LET PAUL KNOW AND HE CAN JUST COMMUNICATE THAT, UH, FOR US.
LEMME JUST IN A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS MM-HMM
REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE REDOING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES A YEAR OR SO AGO MM-HMM
AND THERE WAS SOME REAL CONTENTIOUS BETWEEN SPRING HILL AND THOMPSON STATION, AND ONE WANTED TO LAND GRAB AND ONE DIDN'T WANT THIS.
AND I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THAT COMES BACK TO THAT TOO.
IT'S LIKE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA KEEP KEEP THE CHILDREN FROM FIGHTING? I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AND YEAH, WE'RE, WE ARE WHAT WE ARE, BUT I PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN THOMPSON STATION, AS IT GROWS, AS A, AS AN AREA, IT IS INCORPORATED, BUT IT HASN'T YET, UH, EVOLVED OR DEVELOPED WITH FULL CITY SERVICES.
AND SO AS A RESULT, AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW FAST, JUST LIKE THE WHOLE AREA, IT PUTS SOME, SOME, UH, BURDEN PERHAPS ON SPRING HILL, BUT ON THE COUNTY AS WELL.
SO THAT MAY BE WHERE SOME OF THIS IS AT.
I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING, KRISTEN, YOU MAY KNOW MORE OF THE HISTORY THAN I DO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER YEARS BACK THERE BEING A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROCESS FOR THE COUNTY AND THE DIFFERENT CITIES TO, TO WORK OUT ANNEXATIONS MM-HMM
AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS PUBLIC CHAPTER 1101 WAS THE SOLUTION TO HAVE THIS PROCESS.
LIKE, CAN YOU DESCRIBED WHERE THEY GET TOGETHER AND DO A UGB AND HAVE A CONVERSATION MM-HMM
SO LOOKING AT THIS, I FRANKLY I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE WANTING TO THROW OUT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
I, I I, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S THOUGHT THROUGH THIS VERY WELL TO ME.
AND, AND, AND I MEAN, AM I REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY? YOU ARE REMEMBERING IT CORRECTLY.
AND AS, UM, COMMISSIONER TRAVIS MENTIONED THAT, THAT THE U-B-U-G-B, THE NEW GROWTH PLAN WAS JUST ADOPTED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO AFTER WE SPENT ALMOST THREE YEARS AS A AS AND THINK COMMISSIONER TCL IS OVER HERE NODDING US IN
I MEAN, IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS THAT, AS Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, IT WAS WHEN KIRK WAS HERE AND IT SPANNED SEVERAL DIFFERENT, EVEN ELECTIONS FOR OUR COMMISSION.
SO, AND I'M SURE PLENTY OF Y'ALL REMEMBER IT, SOME OF YOU DON'T, BUT IT WAS A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS AND EVERYBODY GOT A SEAT AT THE TABLE, AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY EVERY CITY AND BY THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, NOT TO GET INTO ANY POLITICS ON THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T, I, I AM SURE COMMISSIONER PETTY HAS A, HAS A REASON THAT HE'S BRINGING THIS FORWARD OR SOMETHING'S HAPPENED THAT HAS CAUSED HIM TO BRING THIS FORWARD.
BUT IT REALLY DOES SEEM TO UNDO THE CHALLENGING WORK THAT WE ALL DID FOR LIKE, FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
SO THAT'S, AND, AND AS JASON, JASON HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID, IT ALSO FLIES IN THE FACE OF JUST THE RELATIONSHIP OF CITIES AND COUNTIES AND CITIES BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR GROWTH IN GENERAL.
UM, WE DON'T, AND NOT TO SAY THAT NO CITY DOES, BUT WE DON'T SEEK OUT ANNEXATIONS.
LIKE EVEN, EVEN IN THE VERY, VERY MINOR, LIKE NEW WAYS THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO ANNEX PROPERTIES WITHOUT OWNER
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CONSENT.THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING LARGE SCALE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR, FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, BUT THIS SEEMS TO JUST BE, UM, SHOOTING A BAZOOKA AT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, BUT ALSO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IF WE, IF NOT WE, IF IF THEY DO WHAT THIS SUGGESTS, IT MAKES THE PROBLEM THEY IDENTIFY WORSE.
SO COMPLETELY MISIDENTIFYING A SOLUTION TO WHAT, FRANKLY IS A MINOR PROBLEM ANYWAY.
THE ONE OTHER THING TOO THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE IN HERE IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIT OF A, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CITY CANNOT ANNEX PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT MEANS THE PROPERTY OWNER OR WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCE, AND EVEN IF OTHERS DON'T LIKE IT, THEY EXER THEY'RE EXERCISING A RIGHT TO ALLOW THAT PROPERTY TO BE ANNEXED AND POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED.
AND SO THEY HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS.
AND THEN, UH, AND SO THEN IF AN ENTITY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A COUNTY OR IT COULD BE ANOTHER ENTITY WOULD STEP IN AND JUST SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A REASON.
JUST KNOW THERE'S AN EFFECT THERE TOO.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T TRY TO BALANCE ALL THESE ISSUES, BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, RATHER THAN TO DO THIS, WHICH AGAIN GOES IS PRETTY EXTREME IT SEEMS WOULD BE TO SAY, HOW ABOUT TAKE THE TOPIC PERHAPS AND THROW IT BACK INTO THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND HAVE THEM START TO REALLY ZONE IN ON WHERE THE REAL ISSUES ARE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT, THAT THAT COMMITTEE INVOLVES ALL THE CITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
THERE ARE CERTAINLY CLAUSE IN THE STATUTES AS WE'VE DISCOVERED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
THERE'S SOME CONFUSION AS TO HOW CITIES AND COUNTIES WORK TOGETHER WITH ROADS, UM, WHO OWNS THE ROADS, ESPECIALLY BASED ON AGE.
SO THEY'RE, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'LL FIND ANY CITY OR COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT SAYS THAT THE, THAT THE STATUTES ARE FLAWLESS.
BUT, UM, TO THROW 'EM OUT ALL TOGETHER I THINK IS A LITTLE DRASTIC.
AND THERE ARE THESE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY HAPPENING AGAIN BETWEEN, UM, I KNOW FOR SURE BETWEEN THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND THE COUNTY, AND WE'VE STARTED SOME WITH, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SPLIT LOG TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, UM, AGAIN, AND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP POINTING TO COMMISSIONER CLE BUT IS HERE, I MAY, MAY HE SHOWED UP RIGHT? SHOWED UP.
BUT AGAIN, HE'S PROBABLY HEARING SOME OF THESE THINGS TOO AND CAN, UM, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION AND MR. CAGE TO HEAR FROM HIM ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I I I DO HAVE A QUESTION, LIKE SPECIFICALLY IS, IS IT THAT THE COUNTY IS WORRIED THAT IF SOMEBODY GETS YEAH.
TOM, HEY, ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH TOM COMING UP? I'M SORRY.
AND TALKING TO US EVERYONE GOOD.
AND EVERYTHING WHERE WE WERE GONNA HAVE LESS DENSITY.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST DENSITY PROBABLY.
SO IS, IS THAT THE MAIN ISSUE THAT CITIES ARE ALLOWING TOO MUCH DENSITY ON THESE ANNEX LANDS? TO USE A TERM THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY OTHERS AT THE COUNTY, GROWTH DOESN'T PAY FOR ITSELF AS WE LEARNED THAT THROUGH SCHOOLS PREDOMINANTLY.
AND THAT BEING 75% OF OUR BUDGET, THAT'S THE CONCERN.
THIS IS COMING FROM, I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF IT, BUT LET ME STEP BACK.
THE RESOLUTION IS NOT SOMETHING WE ENACT.
IT IS ASKING THE STATE LEGISLATOR TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE.
IF WE DON'T SEND THAT FORWARD WITH A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY OUT OF THE COMMISSION MM-HMM
TRADITIONALLY IT'S, IT'S FALLEN ON DEAF EARS.
SO I KNOW I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT.
UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD PORTION OF US THAT PROBABLY FEEL THAT WAY.
WE FEEL WE SPENT THREE YEARS WORKING VERY HARD ON A PROJECT THAT WAS AGREED UPON BY EVERY SINGLE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
SO I, I HAVE YOU STATEMENT FROM Y'ALL IS PERFECTLY IN LINE AND SHOULD BE WRITTEN.
I MEAN, THIS COMMENTS WILL SPOT ON.
THAT'S, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS.
THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE IT.
SO YOU ALL HAVEN'T PASSED THIS RESOLUTION YET? NO, IT'S ON THERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS JUST WRITTEN BY ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND EVEN THE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMITTEES HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT YET.
IT IT WAS CARRIED BY, IT'S BROUGHT BY ONE COMMISSIONER, BILL PETTY OUTTA DISTRICT 10.
UM, AND IT IS, IT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN TO A SINGLE COMMITTEE TO BE HEARD.
UM, WE, WHAT IS DISTRICT 10? I DUNNO.
DISTRICT AN I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT AREA THAT IS.
IT LOOKS LIKE WES PART OF FRANKLIN.
NORTH FRANKLIN, SOUTH OF COOL SPRINGS ISH.
I PUT IT, THIS IS MY VERY, I PULLED THAT UP FROM THE COUNTY BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS
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AS WELL.WHICH COLOR IS IT? IT'S, I'M SORRY.
IT'S PART OF OUR WONDERFUL MAP.
BUT I, THAT IS WHERE IT COMES FROM, IS THAT EDUCATION CONCERN, I BELIEVE.
'CAUSE THAT BEING SUCH A LARGE PORTION AND TAKING THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET, OKAY.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE
WILL THIS GO THROUGH A PROCESS OR IS THIS A ONE AND DONE VOTE OR WILL THIS HAVE TO GO THROUGH COMMITTEES AND EVERYTHING? IT, IT HASN'T GONE TO A COMMITTEE.
IT IS BEING HEARD ON THE FLOOR.
THINGS DO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH COMMITTEE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
UM, IT IS RECOMMENDED AND TENDS TO MAKE THINGS FLOW A LITTLE SMOOTHER.
UM, BUT I COULD BRING A LATE FILED RESOLUTION MONDAY NIGHT IF I SO CHOSE.
BUT I WOULDN'T
AND THAT WOULD DIE A QUICK DEATH.
UM, A STATEMENT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION CARRIED FORWARD BY PAUL.
ANY OF THE BRENTWOOD COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ON THIS WOULD BE WELL HEARD AND PROBABLY APPRECIATED.
AND I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE A STATEMENT TO BE READ AS WELL.
SO, BUT IT IS, I I DON'T PUT A WHOLE LOT OF WEIGHT.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S FOR MONDAY THE SAME NIGHT AS OUR MEETING.
WE START AT SIX AND NORMALLY END LATER THAN YOU.
SO I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT.
THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A STATEMENT.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE WRITTEN BY KRISTEN OR JASON OR I GUESS COLLABORATIVELY WE COULD, YEAH.
IF WE CAN GET THE GENERAL THOUGHTS FROM YOU, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY.
ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE I FORGET.
SO JASON MENTIONED SOME PROTECTIONS OF PROPERTY OWNERS NOT BEING ANNEXED WITHOUT PERMISSION.
ARE THOSE PROTECTIONS PART OF THIS, THIS, UH, PUBLIC CHAPTER 1101? OR DO THEY EXIST SEPARATELY? THEY, THEY'RE PART OF THE STATUTES.
SO WE, AS THEY'VE BEEN AMENDED OVER THE YEARS, SO IF, IF THEY ACTUALLY DID WHAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER PETTY IS ASKING, THEY WOULD LOSE THAT PROTECTION TO BE ANNEXED WITHOUT, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY A VERY OBJECTION, SPECULATION IS WHAT I WAS SAYING.
WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN COURT, DID YOU? YEAH, I KNOW.
I THINK IT'S, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD TRY TO REPLACE IT WITH OR IF FAIR ENOUGH, YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLACE INEX ALTOGETHER.
BUT BUT THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE CURRENTLY FOR THEY ARE, THEY ARE IN THERE.
SO WHEN, WHEN 1101 WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD'VE REPLACED A LOT OF OTHER LANGUAGE THAT DEALT WITH THE SAME.
SO IF, IF SEE I DON'T SEE 'EM, I DON'T SEE 'EM DOING JUST A REPEAL BY ITSELF BECAUSE THE KIND OF LEAVES THE WHOLE ISSUE NAKED, DOESN'T IT? YEAH.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHICH WOULD BE A REALLY BAD POLICY APPROACH BECAUSE IT WOULD LEAVE PROBABLY A COMPLETE LACK OF PROTECTION, UH, WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO THAT IF THEY WERE GONNA GET RID OF IT, THEY NEED TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, IT SEEMS THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING.
IT'S SO HARD TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD.
SO UNDER THE, THE NOW THEREFORE SECTION, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT'S, IT'S TWO STEP, LIKE THEY WANT THEM TO REVIEW IT AND THEN MAYBE CORRECT SOME AMENDMENTS TO IT, BUT IF NOT, THEN GET RID OF IT.
SO UNDER THAT NUMBER TWO THERE, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE COUNTIES A MEANINGFUL VOICE, THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE, THE THREE YEAR PROCESS? UH, NOT THAT THEY, UH, MAYBE NOT THE LAST PHRASE OF INCLUDING COUNTY APPROVAL, BUT, UM, HOW DOES IT STAND? LIKE WHAT'S THE, THE CURRENT, SUCH AS ONE OF THE LAND OUT, UH, OFFICE, SUNSET WAS ANNEXED, WHAT'S THE CURRENT PROCESS OF OUR INTERACTION WITH THE COUNTY WHEN THAT HAPPENED? SO WE REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT WHAT SERVICES, AGAIN, SCHOOLS AS COMMISSIONER TEMPLE SCHOOLS, ROADS, WHAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED.
UM, SO IT'S MORE LIKE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AS FAR AS THAT THE COUNTY GETS NO VOTE, WHICH IT KIND OF, AND AGAIN, I HATE TO PUT WORDS IN, IN THE MOUTH, BUT IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE WANTING, UM, COMMISSIONER PETTY'S PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THE STATUTE CHANGED TO WHERE THE COUNTY COULD EITHER BE TOO.
BUT RIGHT NOW THEY JUST GET INFORMED.
SO LET ME THROW SOMETHING OUT THEN.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE ONE, IN, IN A COMMUNICATION WE'D WANNA KEEP IT BRIEF IS TO SIMPLY IDENTIFY THAT THIS WOULD SORT OF DISRUPT THE LEGAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES.
UH, WE CAN WORK ON A LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL THOUGHT.
TWO, UM, IT SEEMS TO, TO BE VERY OVERREACHING WITH REGARD TO THE ROLE OF CITIES AND ANNEXATION UNDER, WHICH WAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, WAS, WAS, WAS REALLY INTENDED TO BE SOLVED OR AT LEAST HELPED, UH, WITH 1101 AND AFFECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, OWNERS' INTERESTS AND RIGHTS AS WELL.
AND THEN AS A THIRD, WE WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE'S AN, SOME INTENT TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC, THAT THEY WOULD, UH, FIRST RUN IT THROUGH WHATEVER THEIR APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE IS, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME TIME FOR THEM TO THINK THROUGH IT MORE.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST ALSO THEN TO ASK
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OUR, UH, UH, GROWTH DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES THE CITIES TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE SOME TIME TO TALK THROUGH IT AS WELL.AND CERTAINLY TO PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE GOVERNING BODIES OF THE CITIES TO, UH, BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH IT AND UH, UH, AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE THEY EVEN CONSIDER TAKING ANY ACTION ON IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I AGREE.
SO IF WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY DRAW SOMETHING UP AND GET IT OUT TO OUR FOLKS AND, AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN HAVE IT AT THE OKAY.
AND I GUESS, WOULD IT BE PROPER TO GET THAT TO ALL FOUR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT REPRESENT PART OF BRENTWOOD? THAT'S WHAT I, I BELIEVE JASON WAS SUGGESTING HOW, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
THERE'S FOUR FOUR THAT HAVE THE, THEIR ENTIRE DISTRICT.
AND THERE'S OTHERS THAT HAVE, HAVE PAUL AND DAVID.
WELL KNOW THOSE FAR, BUT LIKE THERE'S, I GUESS, YEAH, TWO OTHERS HAVE A LITTLE SLIVER.
SO THAT SHOULD PROBABLY, ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT.
AND I KNOW WE HAD A FULL AGENDA ABOUT GIVING THE TIMELINESS OF THIS.
WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE OTHER, ON THE OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE THE COME BACK TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING SPEED HUNT POLICY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'LL TAKE US TOO LONG.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, UH, A COUPLE ITEMS THAT DEAL WITH DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY TYPE BENEFITS.
AND THEN WE HAVE COME BACK TO OUR FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION ON E-BIKES.
SO WE'LL GET INTO THIS AND I THINK WE'LL GET A LITTLE MOMENTUM EARLY AND THEN WE'LL SEE AFTER THAT
SO WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M GONNA, I HAVE THE FULL PRESENTATION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD THAT AND YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN.
BUT I'M GONNA GO TO THE END WHERE WE ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE REALLY ARE DIRECTED DIRECTION FROM THE LAST MEETING.
THERE WERE, AFTER WE WENT THROUGH IT, EVERYONE SEEMED PRETTY COMFORTABLE, BUT THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WE HAD IN OUR NOTES THAT WERE ASKED OF US TO MAKE TO DO TO CHANGE THIS.
THE POLICY, ONE OF 'EM WAS TO ALLOW TRAFFIC, CALMING SPEED PETITION PROCESS TO BE TRIGGERED BY EITHER, EITHER EMPHASIS ON EITHER HOA OR PROPERTY OWNERS.
WHEN HISTORICALLY IT'S JUST BEEN HOA.
AND SO WE HAVE DRAFTED IN THE, UH, POLICY DOCUMENT, UH, AN HOA, UH, UPON AN H OA RECEIVING A WRITTEN REQUEST.
WE RUN IT THROUGH THE HOA FIRST.
WE FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD DO THAT.
THEY EITHER WOULD INITIATE IT OR, OR DENY IT.
UH, OR IF THEY SET ON IT FOR, UH, 90 DAYS, THEN IT OPENS UP THE PATHWAY FOR THE RESIDENTS TO USE THE RESIDENT PROCESS, RESIDENT INITIATED PROCESS.
BUT IT GIVES THE HOA, THE FIRST, UH, BITE AT THE APPLE IS BROUGHT TO THEM.
SO THAT FIRST PHRASE THAT THE HA RECEIVING A WRITTEN REQUEST? YES.
THAT WOULD COME FROM A RESIDENT.
A RESIDENT COULD BE A RESIDENT.
YEAH, WE DIDN'T STIPULATE A PERCENTAGE OR NUMBER, BUT ANY RESIDENT, BUT IT'S JUST A RESIDENT, NOT, NOT THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER WAS JUST TO PROVIDE SINCE IN THE PROCESS THAT, UH, UH, WE HAD BEEN A PART OF THE PROCESS BEFORE, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IN THIS THAT WE ACTUALLY SEND OUT THE PETITIONS TO THE RESIDENTS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
YOU'D ASK THAT WE PROVIDE TWO MAILINGS TO GET THE HIGHEST, LIKE THE HIGHEST OPPORTUNITY OR MOST OPPORTUNITY FOR RESPONSE.
SO WE INCOR INCORPORATED THAT.
AND THOSE WERE THE TWO CHANGES WE HAD IN OUR NOTES.
AND SO, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YEAH.
WELL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DECREASING THE DISTANCE THAT THE PETITIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE POSITIVE.
OH, IT, IT CAME DOWN FROM A THOUSAND TO 600.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE LAST VERSION.
WE, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO THIS IDEA ON THE BOOKENDS OF GOING A THOUSAND FEET OUT WHEN GENERALLY IN BETWEEN WE'RE THREE TO 600.
SO WE DID MAKE A CHANGE, UH, THAT BASED IF THERE'S A STOP SIGN OR SOME SOMETHING OTHER THAT COULD AFFECT THAT, THAT WE ONLY WOULD GO OUT SO FAR IN THAT VOTING AREA.
AND IT WAS, I THINK THE NO MORE THAN 600.
AND THAT WAS IN THE LAST TRIP.
AND, AND THIS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TRY THIS, IF WE, IF WE FIND HERE IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, IT MIGHT BE A WHILE BEFORE YOU REALLY RECOGNIZE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
UH, WE NEED TO TWEAK IT AGAIN, WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND NON HOA, UH, STREETS.
IT'S JUST RESIDENTS CONTACT THE CITY DIRECTLY THEN FOR SPEED HUMP OR YES.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO GET THE PETITION.
SO THEY CONTACT US AND WE TALK TO 'EM ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT, WHERE'S THE DIMENSIONS THAT YOU NEED TO USE? AND THEN 50% ON THAT ONE.
AND THE, THE, THE PETITION TO JUST INITIATE THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS IS A LESS FORMAL PETITION.
THEN WHEN YOU'RE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH, OKAY, HERE THEY ARE, HERE'S WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, HERE'S WHAT THEY ARE AND THIS IS WHAT THEY COST.
THAT'S THE, THE FORMAL FORMAL ONE.
THE OTHER ONE'S LESS FORMAL THAN THAT.
THAT'S THE OLD, THAT IS THE OLD ON IT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO THAT WON'T BE ON YOUR MONDAY AGENDA BECAUSE WE SAID, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW QUITE, UH, IF THERE'D BE ANY OTHER FURTHER CONVERSATION HERE, IT'LL BE THE NEXT MEETING AFTER YOUR MONDAY'S
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AGENDA.SO WE'LL SEE IT, UH, A LITTLE OVER TWO WEEKS.
DID CALL OUNCE AND SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL.
AND, UH, SO I'LL ASK, UH, CHIEF COLBIN TO COME ON UP AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A FREE SEAT FOR YOU THERE,
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT CHIEF AND HIS FOLKS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND, UH, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING INFORMATION TOGETHER.
AND LET ME JUST START OFF AND SAY, WE'LL GET INTO THIS, THAT WE'RE STARTING TO FALL BEHIND A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OUR OVERALL COMPENSATION AS IT RELATES TO THE, TO THE, UH, POLICING ENTITIES THAT WE IN ESSENCE COMPETE AGAINST FOR OUR POLICING TALENT.
AND THAT HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN FRANKLIN AND MURFREESBORO, AND NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THIS, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S UPPED THEIR GAME AND, UH, AND SO WE'RE, WE NOW SEE THEM AS COMPETITION AS WELL.
AND, AND FOR US, AS YOU KNOW, KEEPING TOP LEVEL TALENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT ACROSS THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
UH, BUT IN POLICING AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE A FEW, UH, STAFF MEMBERS SHORT AND BEING FULLY STAFFED IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE INITIATIVES AND THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO, WE ALWAYS WANNA BE AT THE TOP OF OUR GAME.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.
PEOPLE EXPECT IT AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
NORMALLY I'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A, DURING THE BUDGET TIME, WHICH WE'VE STARTED AND, AND WE'LL HIT SALARIES JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT SALARIES WILL BE A BUDGET DISCUSSION.
THESE ARE A COUPLE OF PIECES I THINK WE CAN PUT IN.
WE CAN ABSORB THE COST AND, UH, HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME POSITIVE IMPACT.
I DON'T THINK IT WIPES AWAY THE PROBLEM THOUGH.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PREFACE HERE, IN THE, I ASKED JIM, WHAT IS OUR STAFFING SHORTAGES BEEN ON AVERAGE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? SO I KNOW THERE IS A 0.1 AND 0.6 OF PEOPLE, BUT IN ESSENCE THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS ADD UP TO.
SO THREE YEAR AVERAGE, EXCUSE ME, IT'S ABOUT 5.6.
SO ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF PEOPLE, YOU COULD SAY FIVE OR SIX, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW FAR OFF WE'VE BEEN TO FULL STAFFING ON AVERAGE IN THAT TIME.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE COME BACK LATER AND WE DO SOME OTHER MATH.
UM, SO TALKING ABOUT THOSE DEPARTMENTS WE MENTIONED FRANKLIN MURPHYSBORO, UH, AND NOW WILLIAMSON COUNTY ARE BEEN, ARE ABLE TO KIND OF RECRUIT AND RECRUIT OUR OFFICERS HAVE STARTED, UH, THAT AS WELL.
AND I SAY RECRUIT OUR OFFICERS.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, I'M JUST SAYING IN THE COMPETITIVE WORLD, UH, WE'RE LOSING TO THEM.
AND SO, UH, SOME THINGS THEY DO TAKE HOME VEHICLES.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING FOR US.
UH, OTHER INCENTIVES FOR SPECIALIZED ASSIGNMENTS AND SKILLS.
YOU'LL SEE A DIFFERENT PACKAGE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF THINGS.
YOU WON'T ALWAYS SEE A MATCHUP THE SAME WAY.
UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS CONSTANTLY DO IS TRY TO, UH, REFINE THAT PACKAGE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL AND, AND, UH, UH, FOR US, ESPECIALLY TAKE ON VEHICLE, PAYS A PRETTY BIG DEAL.
SO, UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE, JIM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UH, I, I ADDED WILLIAMSON COUNTY AFTER THEY RECEIVED A, A PAY INCREASE AND THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT THEIR COMPENSATION PLANS.
SO THAT CONTINUES TO CHANGE IS WHAT I'M TOLD.
UH, BUT I THINK WITH FRANKLIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF COMPETITION WITH THEM UNTIL RECENTLY.
AND IT, PART OF IT IS THE TCRS EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS.
SO TCRS IS THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND, UH, WE HAVE A BETTER RETIREMENT SYSTEM THAN THEY DO.
WE'RE IN THE, THE TCRS WITH THE BRIDGE.
AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT, UH, THAT FRANKLIN DOES NOT HAVE AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE, BUT THEIR TIME TRANSFERS OVER.
SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR BRIDGE PAYMENTS FROM 55 TO 62 YEARS OLD, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP THOSE BRIDGE PAYMENTS, THEY CAN JUST TRANSFER STRAIGHT OVER TO THE COUNTY OR TO FRANKLIN OR TO SPRING HILL.
SPRING HILL ACTUALLY DOES HAVE THE BRIDGE.
SO THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR RETIREMENT TO US AND THEIR TIME JUST TRANSFERS OVER.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE STARTING OVER IN THEIR RETIREMENT PROCESS.
AND WE ARE ACTIVELY LOSING PEOPLE TO BOTH FRANKLIN AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
I I SAID GOODBYE TO ONE OFFICER TODAY BEFORE I CAME TO THIS MEETING.
UH, HE WAS PACKING UP HIS BELONGINGS AND, UH, HE'S A TENURE YEAR VETERAN OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND HE'S LEAVING, UH, TO THE COUNTY AND HE'S GETTING A RAISE AND A TAKE HOME VEHICLE.
SO HE'S MAKING MORE MONEY AND HE'S GETTING A TAKE HOME VEHICLE ON TOP OF THAT.
SO FOR HIM IT WAS A, A NO BRAINER.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING, 'CAUSE WE HAVE MULTIPLE OFFICERS NOW AT FRANKLIN WHO HAVE LEFT BPD RECENTLY AND GONE TO FRANKLIN, THEY'RE REPORTING BACK WHAT THEY'RE MAKING TO OUR OFFICERS CURRENTLY.
SO WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE THAT HAS APPLIED WITH FRANKLIN, AND WE HAVE TWO THAT HAVE APPLIED WITH THE COUNTY.
SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME GOOD CONTEXT TO THE, THE COMPETITIVE ASPECT OF THIS.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CONSTANT, UH, UH, FLOW OF CHANGES.
SO, JUST A REAL QUICK, UH, NEW HIRING COMPARISON.
THIS HAS, UH, OF COURSE, UH, US, UH, FRANKLIN AND MURPHYSBORO, THOSE ARE THE, THE THREE, UH, CURRENT NON-CERTIFIED, YOU CAN SEE OUR STARTING WAGE AND, AND JUST HITTING SALARIES JUST TO SHOW YOU A GAP.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT SALARY CHANGES HERE.
WE'LL LOOK AT ALL SALARY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES AS WE GO AND GET FURTHER INTO THE BUDGET.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCES.
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UH, FRANKLIN MURPHYSBORO, UH, FRANKLIN 71 5 PLUS A VEHICLE, MURPHYSBORO 67 9 PLUS A VEHICLE.NOW WE DO THE ALLOWANCE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALLOWANCE TODAY AS WELL.
AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE 66 8 79 IS INCLUDING THE ALLOWANCE.
WHAT'S OUR CURRENT ALLOWANCE? UH, 2,400.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO THAT HERE PRETTY QUICK, BUT THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT IDEA THAT SEPARATION DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS THE SALARY, UH, PLUS VEHICLE COMPENSATION DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND THEN THE ADDITION OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, HE STARTS DEPUTIES AT 67 1 8 4, UH, UH, AND UP TO 84 5 7 2 PLUS VEHICLE BASED ON EXPERIENCE.
UM, OUR ALLOWANCE IS STILL LESS ALLOWANCES PROVIDED IN A FEW OF THE OTHER CITIES WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE LISTED UP THERE.
ATHENS, KNOXVILLE, ELIZABETHTON, UH, SEVIERVILLE, MEMPHIS, UH, BASED ON, AND THAT'S IN 2021.
UH, SO IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE, THE RANGE IS ABOUT SIX TO 10, 10,008 ANNUALLY IS WHAT THEY RANGE FROM.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO TO TO KIND OF CALCULATE THAT.
IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, YOU CAN GO TO THE IRS AND LOOK AT THE AVERAGE, UH, MILES.
WE SAY THE AVERAGE ONE WAY COMMUTES 24, SO IT'S 48, UH, TWO WAY 48 PER DAY.
UM, AND SO WE'RE STILL, IF YOU CALCULATE THAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GONNA RECOMMEND STILL IS IN THE, THE, A REASONABLE RANGE, PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO, CURRENT VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, 2,400 PER YEAR FOR A SWORN PERSON.
UM, COMMAND STAFF, DETECTIVES, UH, OTHERS NOT, DO NOT RECEIVE THAT.
THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
56 OFFICERS RECEIVED THAT AT, UH, FULL STAFF.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO FROM 2,400 TO 5,000, WHICH IF I GO BACK AND WE JUST BASED ON THE 48, UH, UH, MILES DAILY AND THE IRS, THAT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE SEVEN TO 8,000 RANGE JUST TO POINT THAT OUT.
BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR 5,000 PER YEAR FOR SWORN PERSONNEL, UH, WHICH IF WE'RE FULL, IF WE'RE FULL STAFF, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO GET THERE.
AND, UH, SO THE INCREASE FOR THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE WOULD BE 145,600.
WE'LL TOTAL IT UP FOR YOU HERE WITH THE OTHER, UH, IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT 145,600 FOR THE INCREASED VEHICLE ALLOWANCE TO 5,000.
ASSUMING WE'RE AT FULL STAFF, I GUESS I'LL ASK IF WE'RE GONNA REVISE THIS, WHY ARE WE GONNA REVISE IT NOT BE THE TOP? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, THAT MAKES, WE SHOULD, YES.
WE'LL JUST READDRESS IT IN A YEAR OR TWO.
I MEAN, DID WE NOT SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEM? IF WE GO AHEAD NOW AND MAKE THIS MORE THAN 5,000, HOW OFTEN DO OFFICERS CITE THAT AS A DECISION TO LEAVE OR TO EVEN NOT SIGN ON IN THE BEGINNING? SO IT, IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW MANY DON'T SIGN ON IN THE BEGINNING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 111 APPLICATIONS FOR THIS CURRENT TESTING PROCESS.
OKAY? UM, IF YOU LOOK ON PAPER RIGHT NOW, THESE OTHER AGENCIES ARE BEATING US.
THERE'S NO QUESTION IF YOU'RE LOOKING FINANCIALLY AT WHAT DEPARTMENT YOU SHOULD GO TO, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOSING OUT TO THEM.
AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO ABOUT THAT.
NOW, IF THEY KNOW OUR WORK ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT THE CITY IS LIKE AND THE SUPPORT, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT HELPS.
BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING US, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER FINANCIAL SITUATION.
THERE IS, UH, DIFFERENT UNIFORMS THAT ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL LOOKING UNIFORMS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THEM.
THEY'RE MORE TACTICAL, MORE MILITARISTIC UNIFORMS. THEY GET TO, UM, GROW BEARDS AND HAVE EXPOSED TATTOOS.
AND OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICIES DON'T ALLOW THAT.
WE ARE A VERY PROFESSIONAL, UH, DEPARTMENT AND OUR APPEARANCE, AND I THINK THAT CARRIES OVER, OBVIOUSLY, INTO OUR BEHAVIOR AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THESE STRICTEST STANDARDS FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT AND FROM AN APPEARANCE STANDPOINT.
UM, IF, IF OUR, OUR NUMBER, OUR STARTING PAY IS THE SAME AS FRANKLIN OR MURFREESBORO OR THE COUNTY, WE STILL LOSE TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE, THE TAKE HOME VEHICLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THAT UP ENOUGH TO WHERE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON THE STARTING PAY.
IF SOMEONE SAYS, OKAY, THEIR STARTING PAY IS THE SAME, I GET A TAKE HOME VEHICLE AT FRANKLIN OR THE COUNTY, BUT AT BRENTWOOD I GET 5,000 OR WHATEVER IS THE AGREED UPON RATE, THEN, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT THAT ISSUE TO BED.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT A TAKE HOME CAR TO STOP, YOU KNOW, WEARING OUT THEIR VEHICLES.
BUT A TAKE HOME CAR OBVIOUSLY COMES WITH SOME RESTRICTIONS.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A TAKE HOME CAR POLICY AND WE HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT LIVES 60 MILES AWAY, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OVER 50.
WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE 30 PLUS.
SO WE HAVE SOME OFFICERS THAT LIVE, UH, A GREAT DISTANCE FROM US.
THE REASONS THEY'RE LEAVING, IT'S PRIMARILY FINANCIAL MM-HMM
UM, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE A HIT LONG TERM ON THEIR RETIREMENT FOR THE SHORT TERM GAINS.
SO HOW MUCH DOES HIT COST THE CITY IN TERMS OF NEEDING, OR I SHOULD SAY, WHAT, WHAT, HOW DOES THE, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A VEHICLE CHANGE IF IT BECOMES A TAKE HOME CAR? HOW MU HOW MUCH SOONER DO YOU THINK YOU'D HAVE TO REPLACE THEM? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING ON AVERAGE.
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ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 10,000 MILES A YEAR THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING TO THESE VEHICLES MM-HMMAND SO THAT YOU'D PROBABLY CUT IT IN HALF.
YOU CUT THE LIFE OF THE, IN, IN OUR VEHICLES, WE HAVE A SIX YEAR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL PRACTICE.
UH, TYPICALLY WE'RE ABLE TO EXTEND THAT OUT TO SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, UM, MAYBE EVEN NINE FOR LIKE A CID VEHICLE, BUT IT WOULD CUT IN HALF.
AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST WITH ALL THESE PAINTING AND THE UPDATES AND THEN THE ACTUAL VEHICLE? WHAT'S OUR TOTAL COST FOR A REGULAR POLICE CAR ONCE IT'S ALL, ALL ALL PACKAGED? YEAH.
I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE, UH, AMOUNT SITTING RIGHT HERE.
THE, THE VEHICLE ITSELF, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY IN THE 40 SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE.
AND THEN WE PUT PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT INTO THAT VEHICLE BY THE TIME YOU PUT RADIOS AND CAMERAS AND MM-HMM
UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT EACH VEHICLE, UH, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TAHOES, YOU KNOW YEAH.
WE'RE USING AN UPSCALE VEHICLE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
AND UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
ANOTHER FACTOR IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MANY COMMUNITIES, YOU MIGHT HAVE HALF OR TWO THIRDS OF YOUR FOLKS IN TOWN AND IN SOME THAT LIVE MAYBE JUST A FEW MILES OUT OF TOWN IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE DISTANCE, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PERCEPTION ISSUE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER, WHICH IS HOW FAR OUT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO NOTICE YOU HAVE CITY OF BRENTWOOD VEHICLES AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT IN A COST.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A PART, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
THINK IT'S EASIER FOR US KNOW THE MONETARY ROUTE.
DOWN FROM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OFFICERS THAT WE'VE SWORN IN, THE NEW ONES RECENTLY, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL VERY YOUNG STARTING FAMILIES, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THE, THE COST NOW TO HAVE TWO VEHICLES AS A FAMILY IS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE COULD BUY A NEW CAR FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, LESS THAN $20,000.
SO $10,000 WHILE ON THE IRS FORM, LIKE THE PER MILEAGE ALLOWANCE, WHATEVER MIGHT SEEM LIKE A LOT IF YOU ARE A FAMILY THAT NOW NEEDS TWO CARS, WELL THEY'RE GONNA NEED THAT ANYWAY.
THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T GO GROCERY SHOPPING.
BUT, BUT THERE IS, IF, IF YOU TAKE THE CAR, IF YOU'RE THE, THE POLICE OFFICER, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME.
I JUST, THIS IS JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I SEE WHERE I, WHERE I WORK NOW AND, AND WHERE I GREW UP, IF THE PERSON THAT WORKS TAKES THE CAR AND IT'S GONE FOR 12 TO 14 HOURS A DAY, YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER CAR OR YOU DON'T GO ANYWHERE ON THE DAYS THAT PERSON WORKS.
SO FOR A YOUNG FAMILY ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, SO NOW THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND CAR, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, PAYMENTS ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THAT, THAT $10,000 DOES NOT NECESSARILY, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE SEND OUR CARS OUT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT AS A YOUNG FAMILY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, DO I NEED TO BUY ANOTHER CAR AND HAVE PAYMENTS ON IT? OR IS THERE ALWAYS GONNA BE A CAR HERE FOR THE OTHER SPOUSE TO SPOUSE TO USE? THAT'S THAT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, WHEN I WAS AT THE SALESFORCE TRYING TO MANAGE THE SALESFORCE, EVERY TIME WE, WE HAD COMPANY VEHICLES AND WE HAD A LOT OF TIMES THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WE WANT, CAN YOU GIMME AN ALLOWANCE? 'CAUSE I WANNA PICK MY OWN CAR.
I DON'T WANT THE OLD BOXY LOOKING CAR THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I WANNA BE ABLE TO JUMP IN IT AND GO SOMEWHERE, GO SOCIALLY, DO WHATEVER.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT'S AN EASIER WAY TO DO IT.
AND YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE CAN ALWAYS SELL IT, SELL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING A VEHICLE THAT'S PARTIALLY PAID FOR AND IT'S GONNA BE YOUR VEHICLE WHEN YOU TRADE IT IN, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
AND TO YOUR POINT, THE REASON I STRUCTURED THIS THE WAY THAT I DID IS BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY DURING THE MIDDLE OF, UH, A BUDGET YEAR.
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO USE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE TYPICALLY LEFT OVER FROM OUR SALARY SAVINGS FROM, WE HAVE FIVE VACANT POSITIONS RIGHT NOW AS I SIT AT THIS TABLE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, FIVE OFFICERS THAT AREN'T GETTING PAID 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE.
AND SO THAT MONEY IS, IS JUST STAYING IN OUR BUDGET AND EVERY YEAR WE'RE RETURNING, UH, A LOT OF MONEY FROM OUR BUDGET IN SALARY SAVINGS.
SO I WAS TRYING TO STRUCTURE THIS SO THAT I COULD GIVE OUR MEN AND WOMEN AN INCREASE, UH, IN THE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE MOST NEEDED.
UH, AND IT WOULD AFFECT OUR HIGHEST TURNOVER POSITIONS, WHICH ARE, THIS WOULD AFFECT DISPATCH AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL LATER.
BUT THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE WOULD AFFECT ALL OF OUR PATROL OFFICERS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF K NINE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK, I'M GONNA, I WAS SAVING THIS FOR LAST, BUT IT'LL HELP YOU WITH THE MATH.
THE AVERAGE FOR A NEW POSITION IS ABOUT A HUNDRED, $2,000.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT WORKING OFF OF FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF POSITION, WE CAN ABSORB THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, UP TO THAT.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE WILL GET BACK TO THE FULL RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT TWO OF THE, I SAID 4.6, ACTUALLY 5.6 ON THE AVERAGE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A WRONG NUMBER.
BUT ANYWAY, IT'S ABOUT TWO TO DO THAT.
SO THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS, IS IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO GET US TO, TO, TO ELIMINATE THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE AT ALL TO TOTALLY ELIMINATE THAT GAP.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS AND WE ONGOINGLY HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS,
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BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S SAFE TO ABSORB IT MID-YEAR, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDING IT TO YOU.BUT AS WE GO BACK AND WE LOOK AT THE COST OF THESE THINGS, YOU CAN JUST ASSUME JUST USE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
IT'S EASY MATH THAT ANYTHING THAT COSTS A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS EQUIVALENT OF ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.
WE COULD, WE COULD IN ESSENCE ABSORB IF WE, IF WE DON'T END UP MAKING IT UP BY DOING IT AND WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL MAKE UP FIVE PUT THAT WAY.
DO YOU KNOW A BIGGER ALLOWANCE, UH, CAR ALLOWANCE IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET? OR WERE YOU THINKING TO STAY AT 5,000 A YEAR? WELL, THIS IS THE INITIAL CONVERSATION.
IF WE WERE, IF THIS WERE APPROVED, I WOULD NOT ASK FOR ADDITIONAL VEHICLE ALLOWANCE MONEY.
UM, I MEAN, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE FUNDED GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE WOULD BE USING EXISTING FUNDS TO FUND THIS, UH, THIS CURRENT YEAR.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT NOT IN ADDITION TO THE 5,000.
SO FOR EASY MATH ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, ANNUAL INCREASE AT THE 5,000 LEVEL IS 145,600.
SO FOR, TO ROUND IT ALL OUT, IT'S ABOUT ONE AND A HALF OF THE POSITIONS WERE DOWN AS FAR AS ABSORBING IT.
SO GOING BACK, UH, TO THE QUESTION OF, WELL, WHAT IF WE WENT TO THE TOP RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, WE SAID THE TOP WAS, WE SAID, UH, SEVEN TO EIGHT THOU.
WELL, IT DEPENDS WHICH ONE YOU WANNA LOOK AT, BUT, UH, BASED ON THE SURVEY OR BASED ON THE, UH, IRS, BUT IF YOU GO UP TO, IF YOU JUST GO UP ANOTHER, UM, SEVEN YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT'S A $2,600 INCREASE.
SO IF YOU GO UP ANOTHER 2,600 PUTS YOU AT 7,600, IN ESSENCE DOUBLES AT 1 45 BECOMES ALMOST 300.
SO THAT'S EQUIVALENT OF THREE FOR THIS.
THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA TO JUST FROM A MATH RESPECT.
SO I, I WOULD JUST MAKE THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF BUILD ON SOME OTHER ONES IS I WOULD RATHER SEE US TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND THE, THE SALARY RANGE RATHER THAN COMPROMISE ON THE PROFESSIONALISM OR THE CULTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST FIRST IMPRESSION ON THIS IS OKAY, AS A MID, AS A MID BUDGET CHANGE AND, AND TAKING A LOOK AT SURPLUSES WAY OF FUNDING IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO IT NEXT BUDGET WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON THAT AND LOOKING AT BOTH COMPENSATION AND ON THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE WORSE TO FIRST 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE WORSE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTANGIBLES AND MAKING IT ATTRACTIVE PLACES TO, TO WORK.
BUT I DO THINK HAVING, YOU KNOW, A A A PROFESSIONAL COMMITTED STAFF AND BEING A-A-A-A-A-A DESTINATION CHOICE OF WORKPLACE IS IMPORTANT TO BURWOOD.
I THINK THAT'S VERY KIND OF CORE TO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESS PLAN AND OUR, OUR CULTURE AND OUR, OUR IDENTITY AS A CITY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT SCARES ME IS THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LOST.
AND WE WERE A DESTINATION AND WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE THREE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE RIGHT NOW.
AND TO TRY TO SUCCESSION PLAN RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE, I MEAN, ISAAC HUAN LEAVING TODAY IS A TENURE OFFICER.
UM, I, I WON'T SAY THE NAME OF THE OFFICER WHO IS OF THE TWO OFFICERS WHO HAVE PUT IN WITH THE COUNTY AND THE ONE THAT'S PUT IN WITH FRANKLIN, BUT THEY'RE SEASONED, ONE OF THEM IS ANOTHER 10 YEAR VETERAN.
UH, I CAN'T SUCCESSION PLAN AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE GOOD SUPERVISION.
SO I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED.
UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING 1, 2, 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN THE NUMBER OF RETIREMENTS WE HAVE COMING UP.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE THOSE, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THAT FIVE TO 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME, THEY'RE TRAINED UP SEASON, REALLY ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE THOSE, THOSE HURT YOU EVEN MORE THAN, YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE THE NEWER ONES EITHER, BUT THEY HURT YOU EVEN MORE.
THESE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE, ARE FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS, UH, A COUPLE OF FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS, CRIME SCENE TECHNICIANS.
THEY'RE WEARING A LOT OF HATS.
I THINK
AND I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE, THAT'S WHY I SAY IF YOU GO TO 7,000 OR WHATEVER, DON'T, DON'T GO TO 10 BECAUSE THAT JUST FUELS THE FIRE THEN, THEN THE OTHER GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO REACT.
AND PART OF THIS IS THAT I, THIS IS WHAT I FEEL AND THIS IS HOW I RAN MY TEAM.
I THINK IT'S WORTH SOMETHING TO WORK FOR.
BRENTWOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT AND JIM COLVIN.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO BE THE VERY BEST PAID IF YOU HAVE THE GREAT SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE.
AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR TEAM AND Y'ALL SELL THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SELL.
WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO, WE'RE GETTING YOU UP THERE.
BUT THERE'S REALLY MORE THAT YOU DON'T SEE BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING FOR CHIEF COLVIN.
IT MEANS A LOT TO THESE PEOPLE, I BELIEVE.
'CAUSE AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, WHEREVER YOU END UP, IF, UH, IF YOU END UP WITH ANY CHANGES HERE, WE'RE NOT, IT ISN'T INTENDED TO MOVE AHEAD.
IT'S INTENDED TO NOT FALL FURTHER BEHIND RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT, MIDYEAR MIDTERM RIGHT NOW.
JUST TO KEEP YOU IN MIND, UM, MR. IF I MAY, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, THE OUTFITTING COSTS OF A VEHICLE ARE ABOUT $20,000.
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IS OUR CURRENT ACQUISITION COST FOR A NEW VEHICLE.THAT'S BEFORE YOU PAINT IT AND PUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN.
AND THEN ANOTHER 20, SO $74,000 OR SO.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD, HOLD YOUR THOUGHT ON THIS, UH, WHERE YOU MIGHT WANNA BE.
LET'S HIT THE SHIFT IF, AND THEN WE'LL, UH, TALK ABOUT 'EM PERHAPS IN TOTAL AND SEE WHERE YOU MIGHT WANNA BE.
SO SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, OBVIOUSLY FOR DIFFERENT SHIFTS WE PAY A LITTLE HIGHER VERSUS A TYPICAL DAY SHIFT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, AND THIS INCLUDES AS, AS CHIEF MENTIONED, PATROL AND DISPATCH.
UM, CURRENTLY $1,200 PER YEAR.
NOW, THIS DOESN'T AFFECT AS MANY PEOPLE IS 19 TOTAL PERSONNEL AT FULL STAFF.
UM, AND SO REQUESTING AN INCREASE TO FROM 1200 TO 2,500, UM, THAT ON THE EVENING SHIFT, THAT IS, UH, AN INCREASE OF 24,700 TOTAL FOR THE EVENING SHIFT ON THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT.
18 PEOPLE GO FROM 2100 BECAUSE HIGHER FOR THAT PARTICULAR SHIFT ALREADY TO 45.
UH, AGAIN, A $43,200 INCREASE FOR THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT.
SO IN TOTAL YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, $67,900 FOR THIS PARTICULAR BENEFIT.
AND WE THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT ONE AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE ARE NOT TO MOVE THIS ROCKET US FORWARD NECESSARILY, BUT THEY'RE REALLY TWO WAYS TO TRY TO HELP DEAL WITH A GAP THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND HOPEFULLY SLOW DOWN OR ELIMINATE THE GAP GETTING BIGGER.
AND IF WE'RE FORTUNATE TO MAKE UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE GAP, THAT'S, I'D SAY IF WE'RE FORTUNATE, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND, AND WHEN I SAY THAT AS WE GET IN THE BUDGET, IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL EMPLOYEES AND THE, AND THE TOTAL COMPENSATION TOO.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS FOCUS IS SPECIFIC BECAUSE WE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN ABSORB THE COST.
IT WILL NOT, NOT JUST THIS END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR.
I'M TALKING INTO FUTURE BUDGET YEARS BECAUSE I, I'D LIKE TO SAY, WELL, THESE TWO THINGS WILL JUST TAKE CARE OF THE FIVE PEOPLE DOWN ON AVERAGE.
BUT HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE, THEY'RE ONE PIECE THAT PROVIDES SOME BENEFIT.
SO I DON'T REALLY, I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADDED COST.
YOU MAY STILL BE SUPPORTIVE EVEN IF YOU DID, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ADDED COST IN FUTURE YEARS ON THIS PIECE.
THAT'S, SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, WE'RE IN TENS WE ARE, WE'RE ON 10 HOUR SHIFTS.
SO PATROL DISPATCH STILL ON EIGHTS.
SO IF WE LOOK AT BOTH OF THE BENEFITS TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT $213,000, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO EQUIVALENT OF TWO OF THE ROUGH, I'LL JUST SAY ROUGHLY FIVE AVERAGE STAFFING VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S WHY I'M COMFORTABLE WE CAN ABSORB IT.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK IF WE'RE FORTUNATE WE WOULD MOVE THAT TO TWO OR YOU KNOW, ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA NECESSARILY HAPPEN JUST WITH THESE TWO CHANGES.
SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WE CAN ABSORB THAT.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING BACK ON THE VEHICLE, UH, ALLOWANCE GOING UP TO ANOTHER 2,600 TO BE AT 70, I THINK 7,600, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE AND A HALF.
IN ESSENCE, IF YOU WANT TO CONVERT THAT TO THE, IT'D BE FROM TWO TO THREE AND A HALF OUT OF THE ROUGHLY FIVE, THAT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD MATH EQUIVALENT.
AND SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE THINK I I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE, I THINK THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S ABSORBABLE.
IT'S NOT GONNA PROVIDE A BUDGET IMPACT, UH, FOR YOU GOING INTO THE FUTURE YEAR.
AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AND SOMETHING PROBABLY SHOULD DO.
IT WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE SITUATION, BUT IT'LL HELP.
ARE MOST OF US IN AGREEMENT THAT IT SHOULD GO UP TO 7,600 AND NOT JUST TO FIVE? IS IT YES.
AND THEN I SEEM TO BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.
WELL I I I, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE CHIEF'S RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE MID-YEAR THING IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THE BUDGET AND THEN MAKE SURE AS WE'RE GETTING INTO THE BUDGET, 'CAUSE I MEAN, THIS MONTH WE HAVE OUR INITIAL BUDGET MEETING, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO HAVING THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND MORE BROADLY THAN JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, PERSONALLY AS WE'RE THE BUDGET SEASON, UM, AND I'M, I'M JUST ONE COMMISSIONER, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE BRETT WOULD BE THE, THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE, RIGHT.
FOR SERIOUS PROFESSIONALS IN OUR LINE OF WORK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONTO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT'S BEEN KIND OF OUR TRADITION AS A CITY OVER A LOT OF YEARS.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM IT A LITTLE BIT, AND KEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CREDIT SOME INTANGIBLES FOR BRENTWOOD OF HOW WE CAN MAYBE NOT BE THE HIGHEST IN THE SALARY RANGE, BUT REGARDLESS, I I REALLY WANNA SEE BRENTWOOD BE THE DESTINATION OF CHOICE FOR PROFESSIONALS YEAH.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT IN BUDGET SEASON, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A, A DELIBERATE PROCESS, RIGHT.
AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT BUDGET SEASON.
WELL, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN ABSORB IT STILL THOUGH, SINCE WE STILL HAVE THE FIVE SPOTS AND IT'LL JUST TAKE ONE AND A HALF.
SO IT'S, WELL ESSENTIALLY UP TO LIKE THREE AND A HALF OUT OF THE FIVE SPOTS FOR THE NEXT, OR IT'S RECOMMENDED TWO.
AND IF YOU WENT TO THE 7,600 LEVEL ON THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE WOULD PUT YOU ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF THAT YOU WOULD, UH, NEED TO.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE PUTTING OFF THE INEVITABLE SOME.
THEN WE GET INTO THE DEEP DIVE INTO THE OTHER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
BUT I MEAN, IF WE CAN ABSORB IT OUT OF THE, THE
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EMPLOYEES, UH, THE FTES, THEN I THINK THAT IT MIGHT HELP US KEEP PEOPLE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT JUMPING SHIP RATHER THAN WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE VOTE ON IT IN APRIL OR MAY, JUNE OR WHATEVER.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE BUDGET SITUATION.
YEAH, I'M, I AM STILL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST HAVE THE POSITIONS SO, UH, THE, THE MONEY WILL BE THERE AND, AND WE'RE NOT OVERSPENDING AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUILT IN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DESIGNED TO SPEND AND THERE'S JUST EXTRA MONEY THERE.
SO, UH, THIS IS A WAY TO COMPENSATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE DOING THE WORK OF THE 71 THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE.
'CAUSE THAT'S OUR, OUR AUTHORIZED STRENGTH IS 71, BUT THERE, YOU, YOU'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS THAT I PUT OUT RECENTLY IN RESPONSE TO A CITIZEN AND THE TREMENDOUS WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AND HOW HARD AND PROACTIVE THEY'RE BEING RIGHT.
IT'S INCREDIBLE THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING UNDER VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES.
OKAY, SO BASED UP, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS, UH, ON THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SHEET RATHER THAN THE FIVE TO GO TO THE $7,600 LEVEL.
AND THEN THE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE THEN THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL AS RECOMMENDED.
UM, AND SO WE WILL, UH, DRAW UP WHAT WE NEED TO GET DRAWN UP TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU TO PUT THAT IN PLACE THEN FREE.
I REGULAR MEETINGS WON'T BE MONDAY, OBVIOUSLY
WE DIDN'T WANT TO THINK FOR YOU ON THAT ONE AHEAD.
SO WE ARE GOING FOR ALSO, UH, CULTURE OF, OF MOVING CONSIDER THE PEOPLE, GOOD CITIZENS, RESIDENTS, AND PERSONALLY DEALING WITH OTHER DEPART OR OTHER CITIES.
YES, MA I KNOW FIRSTHAND IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
CAN WE JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE MILE, RIGHT? SURE, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THE, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC WE HAVE IS, UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, I THINK HR PROBLEM FOR SOME TIME IS LOOKED AT THE MUNICIPAL HOLIDAYS AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND WE'RE A COUPLE SHORT.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO BE THERE, RIGHT? BUT, UH, BUT I I WELL, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU'RE GONNA CONTORT YOUR, OH, YOU COME AROUND.
YOU GOT YOUR STEPS IN ME, SO YOU CAN'T HELP ME.
SO WE PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT AND SEE IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN ADDING A HOLIDAY OR TWO IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING FOR TWO.
UM, SO REAL QUICK, JUST GENERALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THE RESEARCH THERE AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOLIDAYS, YOU ASK WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF SCAN THROUGH SOME OF THIS.
IT, IT PROVIDES A ONE AS, AS, AS IT, IT BALANCES WITH OTHER THINGS, BUT ONE WORK LIFE BALANCE, BUT IT PROVIDES THAT FINANCIAL SECURITY IF IT'S PAID HOLIDAY FOR THAT.
UM, I, IF YOU, IF YOU TYPICALLY ALIGN WITH OBSERVED HOLIDAYS THAT SYNCHRONIZES WITH OTHERS, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S SOMETIMES A GOOD THING.
UH, THEY'RE JUST A MEANS OF SHOWING SOME APPRECIATION, UH, PROPERLY PLACED, THEY CAN HELP ENHANCE SATISFACTION, CREATIVITY, MOTIVATION, PERFORMANCE.
AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS.
I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE THESE, BUT THESE ARE WHAT YOU TYPICALLY FIND OUT.
UH, THEY CAN HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON ABSENTEEISM AND TURNOVER.
UH, PERHAPS MORALE, UM, PROBABLY A BIGGER ONE IS PART OF OUR CULTURE.
THE COMMITMENT TO, UH, BEING AN EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, THAT'S, THAT PROBABLY FITS THAT AS MUCH AS ANYTHING.
UM, AND AS, AS IT RELATES TO THAT, UH, FACTOR FOR HELPING, UH, RETAIN AND TRACK TALENT IN A COMPETITIVE REGION.
SO JUST SOME GENERAL THINGS YOU WOULD SEE AND, AND KIND OF NARROWING IT BACK INTO, UH, US, HERE'S THE GAP.
WE PUT THIS, THIS SHEET, IT SHOWS A LITTLE BETTER THAN I THOUGHT, BUT I DIDN'T THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON HERE.
SO WE, YOU HAVE THE, THE BIG ONE THERE, BUT IT BASICALLY SHOWS WHERE WE, HOW WE COMPARE WITH THE OTHER, A LOT OF OTHER COMPARABLE CITIES OR JUST, UH, QUITE A FEW CITIES IN TENNESSEE.
AND SO, UM, COOKVILLE IS LESS THAN US.
THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE NINE, UH, OBSERVED PAID HOLIDAYS, UH, FRANKLIN AND, UH, BRENTWOOD HAD 10 AND THEN IT GOES UP TO 11, 12, 13, UH, AND THREE OF 'EM WITH 14.
AND SO ON AVERAGE, IF YOU AVERAGE OUT ALL OF THOSE WE'RE A COUPLE SHORT ON AVERAGE.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IF IT IS, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS IS WE'VE REALLY KIND OF OUTLINED THEN, WELL, WHAT ARE THE HOLIDAYS? WHICH ONES DO WE OBSERVE? WHICH ONES DO THE OTHER CITIES OBSERVE? AND AND PART OF THE THOUGHT IS, IS IF YOU SHOULD ADD A HOLIDAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO, TO SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, MEMORIAL DAY, UH, IS IS ONE EXAMPLE OR VETERAN'S DAY.
SO YOU COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE, BUT ONE OF, I'M SORRY, PRESIDENT'S DAY.
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PRESIDENT'S DAY.UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT, UH, TO ME AND TO AS, AS, AS WE LOOKED AND, AND HAD APRIL LOOK AT THIS IS IF YOU CAN, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT YOUR WHOLE 12 MONTH SCHEDULE AND, AND SEE WHERE THE, THE, THE PROPER PLACEMENT MIGHT BE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE COULD HAVE, UH, YOU COULD LOOK AT PRESIDENT'S DAY, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO, AND, AND, AND NO ONE, AND IT'D BE HARD TO JUSTIFY NOT HAVING PRESIDENT'S DAY, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
SO FROM A, FROM A SPREADING OUT THE TIME GAP PERSPECTIVE DOESN'T HELP MUCH BETWEEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
SO GOOD FRIDAY FROM A CALENDAR PERSPECTIVE SEEMS TO FIT THAT PRETTY WELL.
AND, UH, AND WE DID FIND QUITE A FEW CITIES, UH, ALREADY, UH, RECOGNIZED GOOD FRIDAY.
AND SO FROM A, FROM A CALENDAR PERSPECTIVE, THAT ONE SEEMS TO FIT IN PRETTY WELL AFTER THAT.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOGIC OF WHICH ONE YOU WOULD WANT OR WHERE IT WOULD BE TO BE HONEST.
UH, BUT THAT ONE DOES KIND OF FIT IN THERE.
WELL, SO WE WANTED YOU TO GET A LOOK AT THIS SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND HOW IT COMPARES.
AND PERHAPS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ADDING, UH, A HOLIDAY WHERE, WHICH ONE MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO YOU.
SO I'M SURPRISED THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS THAT ON ME, THAT WAS KIND OF A LOGICAL ONE, BUT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYBODY, ONE OTHER WILLIAMS COUNTY'S THE ONLY ANOTHER ONE THAT GIVES THAT OFF OF YOUR, YOUR LOGIC UP ABOVE.
BUT YEAH, YOU SEE A LOT ON CHRISTMAS EVE, BUT NOT THE DAY AFTER THAT.
HOW DOES THE FLOAT WORK? IS THAT SO TO, BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY WAS LOOKING AT THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS ALSO, BUT, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, THE FLOAT IS THAT ONE WHERE ONLY SO MANY PEOPLE CAN ASK US.
'CAUSE IF EVERYBODY ASKS US FOR DECEMBER 26TH, DOES IT GET DENIED OR HOW DOES IT WORK? WELL, THAT'S UP TO DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THE THING WITH THE FLOAT, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
WE, WE LOVE HAVING THE FLOAT BECAUSE ALL THE HOLIDAYS THAT WE TYPICALLY RECOGNIZE, WE MAY HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE, UM, FLEXIBILITY OF THE FLOAT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE FLOAT INSTEAD OF WHICH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF HOLIDAYS THAT WE DID RECOGNIZE PREVIOUSLY THAT WERE TRADED FOR A FLOAT, UM, IS THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS OFF AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WHEN I TAKE MY FLOAT HOLIDAY, 300 OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE WORKING.
AND I COME BACK TO, IT'S LIKE COMING BACK FROM VACATION.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO COME BACK FROM VACATION AND FLOAT IS THE SAME WAY, BUT IF WE'RE ALL OFF AT THE SAME TIME, IT TRULY DOES GIVE US A TIME TO RELAX, NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WHILE WE'RE NOT THERE.
UM, AND IT LINES UP WITH SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE OFF.
AND, UM, AND MOST PEOPLE THINK WE'RE CLOSED ANYWAY, TO BE HONEST.
UM, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT INTERACTIONS, THIS, IF, IF WE ADD A NEW PAID HOLIDAY WOULD GET RID OF THE FLOW? I AM NOT PROPOSING.
JUST WANTED, I'M NOT PROPOSING IT EITHER.
I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR, I JUST NOT PROPOSING THAT WE DO WHAT WE DID LAST TIME AND TAKE HOLIDAYS IN LIEU OF A FLOAT.
SO, SO CLOSE, CLOSE FLOAT IS LIKE LIEU OF A HOLIDAY.
IT'S JUST LIKE AN EXTRA VACATION DAY, BUT JUST RIGHT.
NO, I DON'T WANT GET RID OF IT TO THAT, SO NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA GET RID OF IT, THAT'S ALL.
WELL, I MEAN, THE SHORT VERSION, I THINK GOOD FRIDAY IS RECOMMENDED.
I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, SCHOOLS SCHEDULE, WELL MM-HMM
THAT MATCHES WELL, IT'S ALWAYS ON A FRIDAY, SO IT'S ALWAYS A LONG WEEKEND.
IT'S A GOOD FRIDAY AND, AND I WOULD, IT'S A VERY GOOD FRIEND SHOW, WHICH ONE? RIGHT.
YOU COULD CALL IT BEST FRIDAY.
JASON IS BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S DAY AND ESPECIALLY VETERANS DAY.
I MEAN, WE TOUT THAT WE ARE A, UM, ORGANIZATION THAT APPRECIATES ITS VETERANS, YET WE REQUIRE OUR OWN VETERANS WHO WORK HERE TO TAKE THEIR VACATION TO HAVE VETERANS DAY OFF.
AND I JUST THINK THAT'S A BIT OF A MIXED MESSAGE.
SO, UM, WHILE I AM HERE, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE THINK ABOUT VETERANS AND OR PRESIDENT'S DAY AS WELL.
THE CHILDREN ARE IN SCHOOL NOW, RIGHT? I DO NOT, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY HELD, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CEREMONIES AT THEIR SCHOOL.
BUT IS IT ON THAT USUAL DATE? IT'S THE SECOND MONDAY IN OCTOBER.
THAT'S CEREMONIES THAT THEIR PARENTS CAN'T GO TO THAT WORK AT.
IT'S ALWAYS THE GRANDPARENTS THAT GO.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO PICK ONE, HOW MUCH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE CITY STAFF IS, LIKE HOW MANY HAVE CHILDREN AT STILL SCHOOL? IS THAT AN ISSUE THAT, THAT IT'S BETTER TO PICK ONE WHERE THE CHILDREN ARE GONNA BE OFF
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IN TERMS OF PICKING A HOLIDAY? AVERAGE AGE IS AROUND 45, 44.45 IS WHAT OUR AVERAGE AGE IS OF OUR CITY OF BRENTWOOD EMPLOYEES.
AND I'M NOT, I'M MISSING, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT FLOAT DAY THAT YOU COULD USE IN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WITH, WITH THE VETERANS DAY, AND I KNOW WE JUST OUR FIRST ONE WHERE WE CAN GATHER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHATNOT, BUT, UM, IF THE CITY'S CLOSED ON VETERAN'S DAY, DOES THAT MAKE AN IMPACT ON US RECOGNIZING VETERAN'S DAY OR, UM, COULD GATHER WHEN WE DO THIS HERE? UM, WHEN YOU DO IT ON VETERAN'S DAY, YES.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT BECAUSE CHARLES IS INVOLVED IN THAT AND OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES.
THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED WOULD BE PAID THEIR TIME TO COME IN AND WORK ON THE DAY YEAH.
OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT, GENERALLY ON THE HOLIDAY, THE WAY WE DO OUR COMPENSATION, EVEN FOR THOSE, UH, WHERE WE HAVE REQUIRED MINIMUM STAFFING, IT WOULDN'T BE AN IMPACT FINANCIALLY.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S PRODUCTIVITY.
ANYTIME YOU TAKE A DAY OFF EVERYBODY, IT'S A PRODUCTIVITY EFFECT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UH, IT'S, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL IMPACT.
THAT WOULD BE A MINOR FINANCIAL IMPACT, BUT YEAH.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT WOULD NEED TO WORK THAT DAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS OUT WELL.
AND DO THE, UM, PAID EMPLOYEES THAT NEED TO WORK ON THOSE DAYS, LIKE THE PARKS ARE OPEN POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ARE OBVIOUSLY STAFFED.
DO THEY GET, UM, HOLIDAY PAY OR THEY JUST GET A DIFFERENT TIME OFF? THEY GET A, SO THEY ARE PROVIDED, OUR POLICY PROVIDES FOR THEM TO GET VACATION DAYS IN LIEU OF THOSE HOLIDAYS WHEN WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT.
YES, IT'S VERY, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD APPROACH FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE.
MOST OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN, IT WOULD BE A, LIKE A, A DOUBLE TIME RIGHT.
SO IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL COST OUT OF POCKET TO DO THAT, BUT IN THIS CASE IT HELPS OFFSET THAT.
SO YOU STILL GET A PRODUCTIVITY ASPECT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT YOU DON'T GET A DIRECT COST OUT OF POCKET, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE.
IT JUST DEPENDS HOW YOU LIKE TO DO IT.
THE PREVIOUS COMMENT I MADE ABOUT TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WANTING WYN TO BE THE EMPLOYER OF CHOICE FOR SERIOUS PROFESSIONALS, DOES THIS COME UP IN RECRUITING A LOT? A LITTLE SOMETIMES.
AND IT DOES COME UP, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO, ESPECIALLY WITH UM, US HAVING SO MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FROM OTHER AREAS, UM, THEY WANT TO BE OFF WHEN THEIR CHILDREN ARE OFF.
THEY WANT TO BE OFF WHEN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE OFF.
UM, SO YES, IT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT IT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY MIGHT CHOOSE ANOTHER, UM, ORGANIZATION OVER US TO WORK FOR, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ANOTHER DAY.
UM, THAT THEY GET THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE OFF, BUT THEY STILL ARE PAID FOR.
SO, SO YOU'D LIKE TO BE CLOSER TO THE MIDDLE OF THIS PAGE? I WOULD MM-HMM
I DO, I THINK WITH CHILDCARE WITH THE KIDS, IF THEY'RE OUTTA SCHOOL, I DO THINK THAT, THAT THAT HELPED LINE THINGS UP.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, SO YOU SEE FRANKLIN IS WITH US, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, OTHER DAYS THAT THEY HAVE ALL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY CALL BEN, BUT THEY GET MORE, DO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
WELL, WE HAD, AND, AND I THINK THEY CHANGED THE NAME, AND AGAIN, I'VE NOT BEEN THERE IN ALMOST EIGHT YEARS NOW, BUT WE HAD TWO PERSONAL DAYS THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND THEY WEREN'T CALLED FLOAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THOSE
SO, UM, YEAH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR COMPETITORS AND YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, IF I'M COMPARING AND I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHO I'M GONNA WORK FOR, AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA OFFER A HIGHER SALARY AND MORE DAYS OFF WITH PAY, SO KRISTEN, YOU HAVE KIDS, SO LOOK AT YOU.
SO, AND I LOOK, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE REAL PERSON EXPERIENCES THAT LINES UP WITH THE ANSWER.
I JUST GOT
SO IF THAT'S A FACTOR THAT WE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW YEAH.
WELL JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND I MEAN, MY FIRST IMPRESSION IS I'M, I'M ALL IN ON GOOD FRIDAY AND I COULD BITE ON VETERAN'S DAY, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH WITHOUT ANY HESITATION.
UM, PRESIDENT'S DAY IN FEBRUARY RIGHT AFTER THE HOLIDAYS AND THE REST OF IT, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL SCHEDULE, BUT MM-HMM
BUT VETERAN'S DAY AND ALSO AS I LOOK ACROSS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, A BIG OLD STRING OF YESES TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF US MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I I COULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT ADDING THAT AS WELL.
THE, THE ONE OF THE THINGS, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO GE CAREER
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CHRISTMAS TIME, THE HOLIDAY SEASON IS HARD BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CELEBRATES CHRISTMAS.AND WE AT GE DECIDED TO USE FLOATING HOLIDAYS THERE.
THAT THAT WAS A, A REASON TO DO FLOATING HOLIDAYS BECAUSE, UM, YOU DON'T DENY ANYONE HAVING THOSE, THOSE DAYS OFF.
TO ME, FLOATING DAYS MAY BE BETTER TO DO THAN PUT IT IN STONE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE.
UM, AGAIN, IT MAKES SENSE IF THE KIDS ARE OUTTA SCHOOL, LIKE I SAY, I'M, I'M MORE SUPPORTING THAT, BUT I LIKE A, I LIKE A FLOATER OR TWO IN THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.
UH, OTHER, OTHER THINGS AROUND THE, UH, HOLIDAY SEASON, I'M HAPPY FOR US TO ADD ONE OF THOSE.
ALSO,
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A THURSDAY THAT I WANNA TAKE THE FRIDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THAT EFFECT OF, RATHER THAN IT ALREADY BEING PLANNED AND, AND ALL THE FUNCTIONS KIND OF KNOW THE IMPACT, RIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE FLOATERS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE ON A THURSDAY OR WHATEVER DAY A TUESDAY, AND I TAKE A MONDAY BEFORE WHAT WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN, UH, AND, AND YOU HAVE, AND THEY WANT TO USE IT FLOATER AROUND A HOLIDAY AND, UH, YOU, AND WE HAVE A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE DO THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO DEAL WITH.
NOW, AGAIN, IT'S A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, BUT IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH THE STAFFING IMPACT OF THAT BECAUSE WE JUST HADN'T PREPARED FOR IT YET.
UH, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S A BIG DEAL 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS.
UH, BUT I COULD SEE THAT BEING OCCASIONALLY, UH, A CHALLENGE WITH A FLOW.
THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY CHALLENGE I CAN, AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO MY GE THOSE ARE SALESPEOPLE.
IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T CRITICAL.
SO IT'S, YOU'RE DEALING WITH STAFF WORKERS HERE THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO I FEEL LIKE, AND YOU ALL CORRECT ME IF YOU FEEL SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE OFF THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS ANYWAY, UM, WHICH KIND OF GIVES US THE IMPACT OF WHAT, UM, I THINK AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY WOULD BE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE OFF.
SO WHEN YOU COME BACK TO WORK, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK TO A TON OF WORK BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS TAKING OFF AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ADAMANT, UM, ABOUT AN OBSERVED HOLIDAY MORE SO THAN A FLOAT.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY MORE ABOUT EMPLOYEE MORALE AND JUST HAVING A BREAK.
UM, WE DO HAVE, WHAT WAS IT, JASON? 15 WEEKS BETWEEN, UM, YEAH.
SCOOT FORWARD HERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THAT IS A LONG TIME WITHOUT A BREAK.
UM, OUR EMPLOYEES NEED THE REST IF THEY CAN GET IT AND THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN TAKE IT AND NOT BE STRESSED OUT.
APRIL SAYING IS, IF YOU NORMALLY GET 75 EMAILS A DAY, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ON A FOLDING HOLIDAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THOSE 75, 75, WHATEVER.
OH MY GOSH, I WISH I ONLY GOT 75.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AVERAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO EMAILS WHATEVER IT IS, HUNDRED AND 75 AT LEAST, AND EVERYBODY'S OFF.
YEAH, I MIGHT GET 75 WHENEVER EVERYBODY'S OFF.
THAT'D BE GREAT FOR SHE STILL SPOT FOR ALL THESE STAFF A DAY OFF WHEN OTHERS ARE NOT OFF.
SO COMMISSIONER STILL FOLLOWS, NOT SURE.
SO BOTTOM LINE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE HERE AT YOUR PLEASURE.
UH, AGAIN, FROM A, FROM A CALENDAR PERSPECTIVE, UH, GOOD FRIDAY REALLY MAKES SENSE.
IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT TWO, I THINK VETERAN'S DAY IS FINE.
WE, WE DON'T REALLY LEAN ON AT THAT POINT.
BOTH OF 'EM ARE KIND OF, WHETHER IT'S VETERANS OR PRESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, BUT IT'S REALLY KIND OF YOUR PLEASURE AT THAT POINT.
I'M REALLY GOOD WITH GOOD FRIDAY VETERAN'S DAY BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE IN SESSION.
WHEN WE, UM, ASKED DEPARTMENT HEADS OR DEPARTMENTS GOOD FRIDAY WAS THEIR FIRST CHOICE, VETERANS WAS THEIR SECOND AND PRESIDENT'S DAY WAS THEIR THIRD WHEN THEY RANKED THEM.
THAT WAS PRETTY PREDICTABLE, I THINK BASED ON OTHER RECOGNITIONS OF THE SAME HOLIDAYS.
SO LINES A LOT WITH THE SCHOOL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M GOOD WITH GOOD FRIDAY TOO.
AND, AND EITHER VETERANS OR UM, OR PRESIDENTS STAYING, UM, PRESIDENTS OF SCHOOLS FOR OUT TOO.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD REASON TO DO IT.
UM, BOTH OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY BY OTHER HOLIDAYS.
SO, I MEAN, WELL DEPENDS ON WHEN EASTER FALLS, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONLY A MONTH BETWEEN PRESIDENT'S DAY AND, AND, UH, WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE GOOD FRIDAY AND, AND VETERANS IS RIGHT BEFORE IT'S TWO WEEKS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO FROM THE TIMING STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT MUCH SHOP WHILE THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL
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COUNTY DOES NOT, DOES OR DOES NOT.WILLIAMSON COUNTY LINE UP SPRING BREAK WITH EASTER WEEK, THEY USE TWO, BUT NOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS.
SO IT'S NOT, SO THEY JUST HAVE THAT DAY OFF AT TEACHER AND SERVICE DAY OR WHATEVER THEY CALL CALL, CORRECT.
YEAH, THEY CALL IT SPRING HOLIDAY.
SO WHATEVER YOUR CONSENSUS IS, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THAT OBVIOUSLY TO A REGULAR MEETING TO HAVE YOU APPROVE THE HOLIDAY LIST.
SO WE DO NEED PRETTY CLEAR CONSENSUS SO WE WON'T FRIDAY CONFUSION THERE.
SHOULD WE PUT ANOTHER ONE ON THERE THOUGH TOO? SO, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO, TO I WOULD PROPOSE GOOD FRIDAY BE PRESIDENT STATE THEN, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? IT WOULD BE PRESIDENT DAY THEN IN THAT CASE.
WELL, I, I, I MEAN I, I WOULD GO WITH, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DIRECTORS IF THEIR FIRST CHOICE WAS GOOD FRIDAY AND THEIR SECOND CHOICE WAS VETERANS.
UM, I MEAN, I WOULD PROBABLY GO WITH WHAT THE DIRECTORS, IS THAT A BIG SPLIT? UM, NO, IT WAS NOT A BIG SPLIT, BUT JUST A FEW MORE WOULD PREFER VETERANS DAY.
AGAIN, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS THAT WORK FOR US AND I, I THINK IT GOES WITH OUR BEING AN EMPLOYEE OF CHOICE.
WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY PRESIDENTS AT WORKFORCE DO
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME POTENTIAL PRESIDENTS THOUGH.
I MEAN WE, WE, WE DO TRY TO SET THE BAR REALLY HIGH WHEN WE HIRE.
SO IT GIVE THE PARENTS TODAY WHEN THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL TO HAVE A TRUTH.
NOT ENJOY HOME WITH THEIR KIDS, VETERANS, WHATEVER.
IF YOU CAN MANAGE IT, IT'S A GOOD THING.
SO THAT GETS US KIND OF TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE AND THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD REASON.
I DON'T WANNA SECOND GUESS THE DIRECTORS WHO, WHO GETS PUT IN THEIR INPUT.
GOOD FRIDAY AND VETERAN'S DAY, EVERYBODY OKAY? YES.
DRAW UP THE ACTION AND YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT'S FINE.
NO, IT'S FINE IF THAT'S SOME MORE JAR.
THINK RAY WOULD, I THINK RAY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF VETERANS DAY AND THANK YOU FOR THE OFFICE WITH THIS AND BRINGING IT TO ATTENTION BECAUSE I DO THE CITY STAFF, SO I'LL SAY THAT'S OKAY.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS, WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, BUT IT IS 11 O'CLOCK.
UH, AND SO THAT I'M JUST GONNA TAKE YOU SOME TIME.
IT'S A FOLLOW UP TO THE E-BIKE DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF CONVERSATION.
JUST REAL QUICK TALKING ABOUT CALENDAR.
WE DO ANTICIPATE BRINGING THE VETERANS MONUMENT CONVERSATION BACK AT YOUR NEXT BRIEFING MEETING.
UH, UH, BECAUSE, UH, RAY WILL BE ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THAT.
HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THIS AND SO, UH, WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT GIVEN HIS GOAL AS AS A COMMITTEE CHAIR, UM, SO WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT COULD TAKE A WHILE AS WELL.
UH, AND IF, AND, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE GONNA WEIGH THOSE TWO, UH, ON THE SAME, WHICH IS YOUR PREFERENCE, MY GUESS IS IT'S GONNA BE THE VETERAN'S MONUMENT.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE IT FIRST.
GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE FOLLOW UP TO THE E-BIKE, UNLESS YOU WANNA STAY HERE ANOTHER HOUR, HAVE THE FOLLOW UP TO THE E-BIKE ON THE SAME AGENDA, BUT WE'LL SCHEDULE IT LATER.
IF NOT, WE WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO IT.
IT IS ONE YOU WANNA TAKE YOUR TIME ON ANYWAY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR YOU? YEP.
MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND PUT PUT IT AFTER THE VETERANS BOND.
CAN I JUST ASK IF ANYBODY KNOWS ANY PHYSICIANS OR NURSES THAT WORK IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS, ASK THEM HOW MANY THEY'RE SEEING? BECAUSE I TRIED TO, UH, TALK TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT VANDERBILT, PCD INCLUDING ONE OF THEIR RESEARCH PEOPLE AND BECAUSE AS A DOCTOR, I MIGHT SAY IN MY NOTE, YOU KNOW, E-BIKE, YOU KNOW, RIDE AN E-BIKE, 18 MILES, WHATEVER, BECAUSE OF THE WAY BILLING AND CODING WORKS,
SO THERE'S NO WAY, UNLESS SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CHART, LIKE SOME MED STUDENT WHO NEEDS A RESEARCH PROJECT GOES THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CRASH KIND OF RELATED CHART AND READS IT AND PULLS THAT OUT.
SO, SO YOU GOT LIKE QUALITATIVE TALKING TO 'EM.
SO THAT'S HOW, AND ALSO IF SOMEBODY WAS HIT BY AN E-BIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEBODY OUT WALKING THEIR DOG, THAT'S NOT GONNA SHOW UP AS AN E-BIKE RELATED INJURY ALSO.
IT'S A STORY IN, IN AUSTRALIA, A YOUNG MAN DIED A TELEPHONE POLE YEAH.
IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO GET TOGETHER.
SO, UM, YEAH, IF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE START ASKING, UH, EVEN THE ORTHOPEDIC GUYS ESPECIALLY, I THINK THEY WOULD KNOW A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RON, RON AND I WENT UP TO JEFFERSON'S AFTER CHRISTMAS.
KIDS WERE STILL OUT OF SCHOOL AND THREE YOUNG KIDS FROM MEADOW LAKE CAME RIDING UP THE PATH YEAH.
AND CAME AND BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EXPOSURE, I'M NOTICING THEY HAD ON THE RIGHT HELMETS, THEY
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HAD ON EVERYTHING THEY SHOULD.ANDY BIKES, THEY ATE AND THEY GOT UP, THEY ALL HAD CREDIT CARDS AND THEY PAID AND THEY WENT, THEY DID.
THOSE KIDS WERE VERY RESPONSIBLE, WHICH IS GOOD THAT, YEAH.
SO IT IS COMING UP CONCORD ROAD THE OTHER DAY AND THERE'S A KID ON AN E, EBAY RIDING A WHEELIE UPHILL EVERY DAY NEXT TO CONCORD ROAD FROM THE YMCA TOWARDS THE MARKET.
SO, YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT PEDALLING.
MAYBE WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY.