* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PRETTY [00:00:01] AGGRESSIVE, UH, LIST OF THINGS TO TALK [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing November 6, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the November 11th Agendas, the items below will be discussed: Wireless Personal Communication Ordinance Traffic Calming Policy This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.] ABOUT HERE. SO WE'LL GET INTO IT. UH, STARTING OFF FOR THE MEETING OVERVIEW, THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE, UH, FIRST ITEM, WE HAVE RESOLUTION ADOPTS A REVISED SCHEDULE OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEES. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, THESE, THIS IS BASICALLY AN IMPACT FEE ON DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN COME BACK TO HELP FUND PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. AND I BELIEVE WE USE IT FOR TRANSPORTATION, UH, NOT SOLELY, PRIMARILY. AND SO WE HAVE A FEE SCHEDULED. UM, AND THIS IS, UH, PROVIDED FOR CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 14, 1 97 OF THE CODE. UH, IT WAS FIRST APPROVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN 2019. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS, IS THEY USE TO, TO CREATE THIS FEE, UH, IN AN UPDATED EVERY YEAR, THEY USE WHAT'S CALLED A CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX, WHICH IS A RATIO TYPE INDEX. IT'S DEVELOPED BY THE ENGINEERING, UH, NEWS RECORD. AND, UH, THEY UPDATE IT DUE TO INFLATION EACH YEAR. AND SO THAT UPDATE FROM 24 TO 25 FOR THIS CHANGE EQUATES TO 2.17%. SO IF THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF INFLATION, LOTS OF DIFFERENT INFLATION INDICATORS. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ANYTHING FROM TWO TO THREE USUALLY RIGHT NOW. SO 2.17%, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY MODERATE, ACTUALLY. THE INDEX THEY USE IS THIS NUMBER. IT'S, IT'S FOREIGN TO YOU, BUT IT'S SAYS 13,632 TO 13,928. AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING. IT JUST CONVERTS IT BACK TO THE PERCENTAGE. AND SO HERE'S A CHART THAT SORT OF INDICATES WHAT THAT FEE WILL BE BASED ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ALL THE OTHER DOWN TO WAREHOUSE AND MANY WAREHOUSE AND SO FORTH. BUT THE BIG THING IS, IS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, THE CHANGE FOR THEM WILL BE 2.17% INCREASE. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM? IT SAYS GOLF COURSE HOLE. SHOULD THAT BE, IS THAT A PER HOLE? IT IS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD INDEX LIKE THIS, AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THINGS UP. . THE SECOND ITEM IS THE RESOLUTION, UH, THAT ADOPTS REVISED EDUCATION CONTRIBUTIONS POLICY. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, THIS IS THE ITEM THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE TIME YOU WERE ALLOCATING THE FUNDS TO THE, UH, UH, COUNTY SCHOOLS. AND, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HISTORICALLY, THE IDEA OF NOT PURCHASING FURNITURE HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT QUITE A LOT BEFORE. IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME THERE WAS STRONG CONSENSUS TO MAKE THIS CHANGE IN THAT LAST CONVERSATION. SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK AND KRISTEN DID HER LITTLE MAGIC WORK AND ADDED A PHRASE IN THERE FOR YOU. SO WE WANTED IT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, RECOGNIZING THAT, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION DOES NOT CONSIDER FURNITURE UNDER THE CATEGORY OF, UH, NON-RECURRING CAPITAL PROGRAM EXPENSES. UH, THAT, UH, EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT CLEARLY STATES NOR WILL THE CITY FUND PURCHASES FURNITURE, RIGHT? SO IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD NOW, NO INTERPRETATION. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW TOO, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND, UH, HE'S PERFECTLY FINE WITH THIS. UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SCHOOL BY SCHOOL DEAL. HE'S EVEN A LITTLE SURPRISED, BUT HE'S APPRECIATES THE CLARITY FOR IT AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ONE. UH, NEXT ITEM, UH, CONSENT AGENDA THREE, UH, RESOLUTION, APPROVING EXTENSION OF, UH, SEWER SERVICE TO 1 0 0 4 HOLLY TREE GAP ROAD. UH, THIS IS, UH, 8.7 ACRES. TAKE YOU TO THE, THERE'S A LITTLE MAP FOR YOU THERE. UM, IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY TREE GAP ROAD NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH, UH, BARRY'S CHAPEL ROAD. IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT THE KEY IS IT'S INSIDER URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. AND, UH, THIS WOULD EXTEND, UH, TO A SINGLE RESIDENCE THAT PLANS TO MAKE RENOVATIONS AND ENHANCE OR, AND ADDITIONAL, ADD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET. UH, SO THE, UH, IT CAN, THE SEWER CAN BE EXTENDED THERE, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S A LOW PRESSURE GRINDER PUMP TYPE SYSTEM DUE TO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SEWER LINE. UM, A COUPLE QUICK NOTES ON THIS IS THAT WE DO NOT OWN THAT SYSTEM. OUR PORTION IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO OUR MAIN, SO THERE, THE PUMP SYSTEM AND ALL OF THAT FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE IN IS ALL THEIRS. THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, UH, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE. WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. THEY CAN CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT. THERE'S A FEE TO DO THAT. UH, AND THEY CAN DO THAT. UM, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE WITH THEM FOR THIS. AND BASICALLY, UH, THEY HAD NO PLANS TO SUBDIVIDE. BUT EVEN SO, UH, THIS SERVICE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT EXISTING MAIN DWELLING UNIT. NO ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY CAN BE CONNECTED. UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL GONNA BE IN THE SEWER AGREEMENT. SO THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, FOR US. THERE'S NO, NO ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW. WHERE'S CHRIS BEHIND ME IF CHRIS, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NOT REALLY. I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU COMMUNICATED EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL. I JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THEY, UH, PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, UH, [00:05:01] APPROVAL PROCESS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY SOMETIME IN THE DISTANT FUTURE? I MEAN, WE, WE CAN'T LIKE PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK WE INTEND TO. BUT AT THAT POINT IS WE COULD DISCONNECT 'EM IF WE WANTED TO. I WOULD THINK. WELL THEY, THEY ONLY HAVE PERMISSION FOR THE ONE LOT IF THEY SUBDIVIDED. THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER SERVICES FOR ANY OF THE OTHER SUBDIVIDED PROPERTIES. SO, SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. IS THEY SUBDIVIDED THEN THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN. THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN. YEAH. I WOULD, I WOULD THINK TOO, AND I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THAT IF, UH, IF THEY DID SOMETHING THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT VIOLATES THE AGREEMENT, PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE CHOICES. ONE IS YOU COULD TAKE UP THE REQUEST OF WHATEVER THE CHANGES AND DECIDE IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOW IT TO BE ADDRESSED. IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IT MIGHT TAKE A DIFFERENT GRINDER PUMP SIZE OR SOMETHING. WHO KNOWS? IT DEPENDS. AND OR, UH, WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DISCONNECT THEM FROM THE LINE FROM THE PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. SO, SO AT THAT POINT, I GUESS THE PROCESS WOULD BE IF THEY DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, AND OR I GUESS IT WOULD COME TO US IF IT HAD TO BE REZONED FOR THAT FOR SUBDIVISION, IT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT. THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE TIED TO THAT PROPERTY TO WHERE THIS WOULD COME UP. AND THEN IT'S IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S IN THE COUNTY SO IT WOULDN'T COME. THERE YOU GO. SO, BUT IT IS IN THE UGB COULD BE ANNEXED. SO I THINK COULD BE SUPERVISED. YEAH, POTENTIALLY. PROBABLY TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROPERTY VALUE THEY PROBABLY WANT ANNEXED. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE UGB, RIGHT? IT IS. SO, UM, SO THEN WE'D SEE IT WITH ANNEXATION IF IT DID THAT, IF THEY DECIDED TO DO IT IN THE COUNTY, THEN IT WOULD JUST BE, WELL THEY'RE DOING THE COUNTY AND SO WE'RE OUT. SO AT THAT POINT WE JUST DISCONNECT. YEAH. AND I TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE HE WASN'T SURE WHETHER IT WAS PLANNING OR CITY, AND THEY ASKED ME, AND THEY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN WHO ARE STARTING TO AGE OUT AND HIT THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS IN COLLEGE. BUT THERE'S ALSO A PLAN FOR, UM, THEIR ONE SET OF THE PARENTS MAY MOVE IN, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA RUN, THEY DON'T LIVE IN THIS HOUSE NOW, BUT THEY BOUGHT IT AND THEY'RE GONNA RENOVATE IT TO ADD BEDROOMS AND THE CURRENT SEPTIC DIDN'T KEEP UP, WASN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR THEM TO HAVE MORE BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS RIGHT. ON THE HOUSE. YEP. SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO SUBDIVIDE AND THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY OTHER PLACE FOR, UH, MORE SEPTIC FIELDS. SO YEAH, TOTALLY. MAKES, MAKES SENSE. I'M GLAD TO HELP THESE FOLKS BUT ALSO KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS MAY NOT ALWAYS OWN THIS LAND. MM-HMM . THAT'S TRUE. . SO IT'S, UH, AND WITH THAT SAID, THE AGREEMENT DOES GET FILED AT THE REGISTER OF DEED'S OFFICE. SO IT'S ON RECORD WHEN, IF AND WHEN THE, UM, PROPERTY WOULD TRANSFER IT, THE SUBSEQUENT PURCHASER WOULD BE ON NOTICE OF THE AGREEMENT. SO SO THAT IS THAT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM GET THE GRINDERS THAT THE PIPING GOING THROUGH CHRIS. YEAH, THEY PAY, SINCE THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE INVOLVED HERE, THEY PAY $1,900 ON THE FRONT END. UH, AND THEN THAT GETS 'EM ON OUR, UH, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. AND WE PROVIDE THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR SERVICES FOR THE CON THE PUMP, THE CONTENTS OF THE, WELL THE ELECTRICAL AND CONTROL PANEL, THE SERVICE LINE AND THE PIPING IS JUST LIKE A WATER SYSTEM. IT'S ALL THEIRS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. FROM THE STREET UP TO THE HOUSE. YEAH. SO, ALRIGHT. AND I'LL TELL YOU COMMISSIONER, I WISH THAT PROGRAM WAS AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY . THAT'S WHAT WE WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE THAN THAT FOR, FOR A GRINDER PUMP. YEAH, WE, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, THIS, THIS IS A REALLY BIG BENEFIT. I THINK IT'S TO HELP INCENTIVIZE GETTING AWAY FROM SEPTICS, WHICH IS GOOD ENVIRONMENTALLY, BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. UH, A LOT OF CITIES DON'T DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE PROGRAMS THAT ARE, UH, ADVERTISED OUT THERE AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THEY ARE, BUT TO OFFER THIS IS REALLY A GOOD PROGRAM, SO I'M SURE THEY VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. SO INCORPORATED INTO THAT, IS THE TAP ON FEE OR? NO, THE $1,900 IS JUST TO GET IN THE GRINDER PUMP MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FEE. THERE'S A $10,000 TAP FEE JUST TO TAP FEE, TAP ONTO THE SEWER. 'CAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE CITY. IT'S 5,000. INSIDE CITY IT'S 10,000 OUTSIDE. GOTCHA. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CONSENT ITEM FOUR, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED AND AGREEMENT. AND, AND I'M GONNA MODIFY THIS. LOOKS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE WITH TARKETT FLOORING FOR THE PURCHASE OF CARPET FOR THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY. AND, AND, AND REAL QUICK, UH, FIRST LET'S HAVE LEE GO AHEAD AND SHOW OFF THE CARPET THAT THEY PICKED. AND THERE'S A PROCESS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF COMMITTEES AND EVERYBODY AND THEY CAME DOWN TO THIS AND THEY WANTED IT TO BE REALLY APPEALING FOR THE KIDS. NICE. NO GRAY. ANNE'S NOT HERE TO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT YOU READY? AND IT KEEPS, WITH THE OUTDOOR THEME OF THAT CHILDREN'S, IT'S A FLOOR KIND OF LOOK THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GO FOR, WHICH IS NOT A PRODUCT THAT'S EASY TO FIND. UH, WE LOOKED AT THE MAJOR MANUFACTURERS AND ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK WITH QUT TO GET A, A CUSTOM RUN OF A PATTERN THAT THEY HAD THAT HAD THE COLORS THAT WOULD WORK WELL. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A WAIVER FOR COMPETITIVE BID BIDDING BECAUSE IT'S A VERY PARTICULAR PRODUCT AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO OBTAIN IT. SO YOU LIKE THIS ONE, LEE? I DO. UM, AND THE STAFF ALSO VOTED IN MAJORITY FOR IT AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY BOARD. AND, AND THE BONUSES IS, IT TURNS ORANGE AND YELLOW IN THE FALL. , IT'S MAGIC LEE GETS TO WRITE ALL THREE AS LONG AS IT DID GO BARE IN THE WINTER. YEAH. SO, SO A COUPLE CHANGES WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE, BUT LET [00:10:01] ME, I'LL COVER THE NUMBERS FIRST. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF $65,000 THAT THE BUDGETED FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THE ACTUAL CARPET PURCHASE ITSELF IS FOR 42,498 AND 79 CENTS, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET. THE REMAINDER IS ACTUALLY THE TRINITY FLOORING COMPANY, WHICH IS THE INSTALLER. SO YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE, UH, VENDORS THERE. ONE'S THE INSTALLER, ONE'S FOR THE CARPET. THIS WILL BE UPDATED. THE, THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT ARE ALL IN ESSENCE CORRECT. BUT, UH, THE APPROVAL IS REALLY NEEDED JUST FOR THE CARPET PURCHASE. I, I CAN SIGN OFF ON THE INSTALLATION. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS AN AMENDED AGENDA THAT'LL SHOW TARKET INSTEAD OF TRINITY, AN AMENDED RESOLUTION AND STAFF REPORT THAT'LL GO OUT HERE, UH, PROBABLY REALLY SOON. AND, UH, IT'LL BE SPECIFIC FOR THE CARPET. UH, AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE COSTS ARE UNDER THE BUDGET, SO WE'RE REALLY GOOD SHAPE THERE. SO IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF A HOUSEKEEPING UPDATE. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE, APPROVAL TO PAY FINAL INVOICE TO, UH, FRANKLIN MARRIOTT COAL SPRINGS FOR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION DINNER, WHICH, UH, I THINK YOU KNOW, IS, UH, UH, NEXT FRIDAY. AND, UH, BASICALLY AS WE LOOKED AT THAT, THERE ARE A COUPLE, WE'VE HAD THIS, UH, FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE, ONLY A COUPLE FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT CAN HANDLE IT. THE EMBASSY SUITES AND THE MARRIOTT. COOL SPRINGS, UH, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IT'S BEEN AT THE MARRIOTT AND EVERYBODY, FEEDBACK'S BEEN TERRIFIC. FOOD QUALITY ENVIRONMENT, EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOOD. UH, AND SO WE HAD INITIALLY JAY SIGNED OFF ON THE CORE PIECE, WHICH WAS UNDER THE, AROUND 20 WAS $20,000. UM, BUT WHEN WE ADD UP ALL THE COSTS, THE FOOD, THE BEVERAGE, THE AUDIO VISUAL, THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, IT'S, THE TOTAL IS 33 4 21 AND 50 CENTS. SO WE WANTED TO BRING, OBVIOUSLY BRING THAT TO YOU AND GET YOUR BLESSING FOR THAT. SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, WITH THAT. AND, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, APPROVAL TO PURCHASE AUTOM RENEWAL THAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT A YOUNGER, UH, YOUNGER WOULD BE PURCHASING ANYTHING CALLED AUTOBOX . SO THIS IS A SOFTWARE, IT'S USED TO UPDATE THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM USED ON OUR CITY EQUIPMENT WITH THE UPDATE FOR THE LATEST SECURITY PATCHES. IT ALSO UPDATES FOR SECURITY PATCHES FOR SOME CERTAIN NON-MICROSOFT APPLICATIONS SUCH AS ADOBE READER OR GOOGLE CHROME AND SO FORTH. UM, FOR THIS RENEWAL, WE WANT TO PURCHASE A THREE YEAR RENEWAL PLAN. AND BY DOING THAT WE CAN SAVE $3,600 EACH YEAR. UH, BY ESSENCE BUYING IN BULK FOR THREE YEARS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 730 LICENSES. THE COST US $45 75 CENTS EACH AND FOR A TOTAL OF $33,397 AND 50 CENTS PER YEAR. AND THIS RENEWAL IS PURCHASED THROUGH THE INSIGHT PUBLIC SECTOR USING THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, UH, SOFTWARE CONTRACT. SO WE'RE USING THAT TO LEVERAGE OUR PURCHASING. ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S A LOT OF MEDICINES. SO I GUESS IT'S NOT PER USER. IT IS FOR PER DEVICE I GUESS IS HOW. YES. YEAH, IT WOULD BE. YOU'VE GOT MDTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. ALL HAVE TO HAVE UPDATES TO GO TO THEM. SO I THINK IT'S A PROFIT DEAL. . EXACTLY. AS LONG AS IT WORKS. THAT'S FOR US, THAT'S THE KEY, RIGHT? NEEDS TO WORK. WE NEED THOSE PATCHES TO GET ON THERE AND WORK PROPERLY. UM, CONSENT. UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, APPROVAL TO PURCHASE A PICKUP TRUCK FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. WE'RE GONNA KIND OF HAVE A REPEAT AFTER THIS ONE AS WELL FOR THE PARTS DEPARTMENT. UH, LOOKING FOR, UH, A 26, UH, THREE QUARTER TIMES FOUR BY FOUR VEHICLE. UH, IT'S BUDGETED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND, UH, THE BUDGETED AMOUNT IS 50,250 WORKING UNDER THE STATE CONTRACT PRICE. THE PRICE IS $50,162 AND 58 CENTS. WE'RE JUST UNDER THAT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AGAIN, A REPLACEMENT, UM, ITEM THROUGH THE STATE CONTRACT. UH, THE, UH, STATE CONTRACT, UH, WINNING BIDDERS, WILSON COUNTY MOTORS. YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT, UH, UH, DEALERSHIP COME UP MORE THAN ONCE HERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IT'S NICE TRUCK. BASICALLY A REPEAT. THEN ON THE NEXT ITEM FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WELL THERE'S A, THERE'S A PICTURE OF A STOCK PICTURES HERE THOUGH, , FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. CASE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A TRUCK BEFORE. UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, CAPITAL, UH, PROJECTS FUND FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REPLACEMENT OF ONE PICKUP. UH, AGAIN, IT'S A, UH, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, UH, THREE QUARTER TON FROM WILSON COUNTY MOTORS TO THE STATE CONTRACT. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE SPECKED, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER. IT'S UH, $46,332 AND 20 CENTS WITH THE $50,000. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? WELL, I'M GUESSING THAT THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS TRUCK IS, UH, WILL BEEF HERE JUST BECAUSE WHAT THEFT TO TOW USING THAT VEHICLE IS I I WOULD AN YEAH, I I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A HD ACTUALLY HAS A SNOW PACKAGE WHERE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT, SO IT ACTUALLY HAS LARGER CHARGING SYSTEM 'CAUSE IT ANTICIPATES THE LIGHTS THAT WILL ACTIVATE. IT ALSO HAS, I THINK, AN EXTRA LEAF SPRING IN THE BACK AND STUFF JUST DUE TO THE WEIGHT. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE HD VERSION AS WELL, WHICH, SO YEAH. [00:15:02] YEP. SO SO MORE PUSHING TOWING, I GUESS. CORRECT. BUT, BUT BOTH, YES AND YES. I'M MAYOR. THEN ON CONSENT, UH, AGENDA ITEM NINE, WE HAVE PURCHASED OF SEVEN VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AGAIN, UNDER THE TENNESSEE STATEWIDE CONTRACT, SAME VENDOR. UM, LET'S SEE, YEAH, WILSON COUNTY MOTORS, UH, FIVE OF THE VEHICLES, THEY'RE ALL FOR THE PATROL DIVISION FIVE WILL BE MARKED TWO WILL NOT BE MARKED AGAIN. UH, ALL FOR THE PATROL DIVISION. UH, THE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, UH, BUDGETED AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. THE UH, FIVE THAT ARE UH, MARKED ARE, UH, PRICED AT 55,000, $24 AND 20 CENTS EACH. THE TWO THAT ARE UNMARKED ARE $47,000, THREE FOUR $7,366 AND 30 CENTS EACH. THE TOTAL COST OF THE PURCHASE IS $369,853 AND 60 CENTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? ALRIGHT, THERE'S A KIND OF AN EXAMPLE, JUST REAL QUICK, AGAIN, THOSE ARE CHEVY, UH, TAHOES. SO, WELL, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. THE FIVE THAT ARE MARKED ARE CHEVY TAHOES. THE TWO THAT ARE UNMARKED ARE CHEVY, UH, SILVERADO FOUR WHEEL DRIVE. UH, LET'S PICK UP. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YOU GO THE PICKUP SOONER, TAHOES YOU GET MARKED AND UNMARKED WITH THAT. WHAT A DEAL. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, WE, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE MUNICIPAL CODE. IT REVISES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR CALCULATION. IT'S A TABLE REALLY OF BUILDING PERMIT FEES. SO LEMME EXPLAIN IT REAL QUICK. IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL FEE AMOUNT. WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S AN ANNUAL INCREASE. UH, IT'S RELATED TO SQUARE FOOTAGE CONSTRUCTION COST. AND WE USE THAT FOR THE CALCULATION OF THE PERMIT FEES. AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS THIS IS THE ADOPTION OF AN ADJUSTED SQUARE FOOT CONSTRUCTION COST. SO IT'S, IT HELPS, UH, UH, CREATE THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT THAT THEN WE USE AS WE APPLY THE, UH, FEE TO THAT. IT'S, UH, INCLUDED IN CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE THREE OF YOUR MUNICIPAL CODE. AND SO, UH, BASICALLY THEN, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE A, NO, I DON'T HAVE A GRAPHIC ON THAT ONE. UH, BUT WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S CHANGING THE VALUE FROM $165 PER SQUARE FOOT, UH, OF HA UH, HABITABLE SPACE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL HERE TO $170 PER SQUARE FOOT. SO IT'S A THREE, UH, PERCENT INCREASE. SO IF YOU HAD A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, YOU WOULD TAKE IT TIMES THAT PER SQUARE FOOT. IT GIVES YOU A TOTAL VALUE, YOU USE THAT VALUE IN THE PERMIT CALCULATION. SO IT'S ONE PART OF THE PERMIT CALCULATION. AND SO THIS IS A STANDARDIZED TABLE. IT'S CALLED THE, UH, BUILDING VALUATION DATA. AND IT'S A TABLE IN THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, CODES COUNCIL THAT WE GET FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODES COUNCIL, WHICH THE ICC IS A COMPANY THAT GIVES US THE FAMILY OF OUR CODE BOOKS. SO IT COMES FROM THE, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE FEE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, THE YEAH, THE OTHER IS AN IMPACT FEE. THIS IS A PERMIT FEE AND IT WILL NOT SPECIFICALLY, IT WILL NOT, UM, CHANGE ANYTHING THE IMPACT FEE. 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST BASED ON CORRECT. YEAH, THEY'RE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT. AND, AND, UH, TODD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT? NO, JUST THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE LOOK AT THESE ANNUALLY, RIGHT? AND MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE ENGINEERING AND THEN ALSO, UH, ICC, LIKE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INCREASES TO THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES. UM, BUT LAST YEAR WE DID INCREASE THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEE. AND THEN JUST TO NOTE TOO, THERE'S NO COST AND CHANGE FOR THE, OR NO CHANGE IN THE TABLE, WHICH WILL RESULT IN THE PERMIT COST FOR THE NON HABITABLE SPACE. IT STAYS AT $30 PER SQUARE FOOT OF AREA. SO GARAGE WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO WITH, UM, EXAMPLE POINTED OUT, THESE ARE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE SAME THING, BUT THEY'RE SIMILAR ENOUGH. UH, OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW DID THE, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEE LAND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THE INCREASE FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CONSTRUCTION COSTS CALCULATION END UP ON THE, UM, IN NEW BUSINESS? THE, WELL, THE FIRST ONE, THE, IS A IS TRULY AN IMPACT FEE. MM-HMM. AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. IT'S AN, IT'S IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S AN IMPACT FEE. WHEREAS THIS ONE IS A, JUST A TRADITIONAL BUILDING PERMIT FEE THAT'S GONNA RELATE TO THE TYPE OF PERMIT THAT'S DRAWN FOR IT. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. TODD, I I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THAT. THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE HAS TO BE ON NEW BUSINESS VERSUS CONSENT. SO, SO THAT'S WHY THIS ISN'T, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DECISION ON THAT, BUT IT HAS, BUT ORDINANCE HAS TO BE WHERE A RESOLUTION CAN BE ON A CONSENT. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS ORDINANCE VERSUS RESOLUTION. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY WITH VERY LARGE, UH, GYMNASIUM TYPE SPACES. A COUPLE BEING OVER BUILT IN HARLAN AND POSSIBLY ONE THERE ON, UH, FRANKLIN [00:20:01] ROAD, , POSSIBLY. YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT, UM, IS, IS THAT HABITABLE SPACE BECAUSE IT'S HEATED AND COOLED? IS THAT, IS THAT THE DEFINITION THEN? OKAY. SOME OF THOSE HOUSES, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HALF SPACE IN THE HOUSE. YEAH, THAT WOULD ADD QUITE A BIT OF LITTLE SPACE, WASN'T IT JIM? IF YOU JUST, YOU JUST PICK A NUMBER LIKE 6,000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE ADDING TO THAT BILL. SO THE COST, COST OF A NEW HOME, THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS WILL BE EASILY LOST . RIGHT. SO IT, IT SEEMS VERY FAIR. ALRIGHT. UH, NEW BUSINESS. OOPS. GO BACK. UM, SECOND ITEM IS THE NOTICE OF THE FUTURE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE, UH, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SO AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, JUST REAL QUICK, I SENT AN EMAIL OUT THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT YET, BUT THE, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S UPDATING, IT'S CALLED THE ADEQUATE FACILITIES TAX. IT'S AN IMPACT FEE. UH, IT CAN BE APPLIED TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. UM, AND, UH, IT WAS BASED ON THEIR AGENDA. IT WAS A LATE ADDITION TO THE AGENDA THAT WILL BE, UH, BROUGHT UP BY THEIR COMMISSION, UH, MONDAY THE 10TH AT SIX O'CLOCK. AND SO WHAT THAT IS, IS RIGHT NOW THAT'S SET AT 34 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT. AND, UH, UH, IT'S, THE SPONSORS ARE RE THAT, THAT CREATED THE BILL ARE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE MOVED TO $2 PER SQUARE FOOT. AND SO YOU CAN AGAIN, DO THE CALCULATION ON, YOU KNOW, UH, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, 10,000 SQUARE FEET, 20,000, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT. AND THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, 34 CENTS AND $2. NOW IT'S, IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT US. IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR BUDGET, IT DOESN'T CAUSE US TO DO ANYTHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT YOU PROBABLY WANTED TO BE AWARE OF. I WASN'T AWARE UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. SO I'M, IT'S MORE OF A DISCLOSURE MM-HMM . AND SO ANYWAY, I SENT OUT A COPY OF THAT BILL. IT, IT, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, LITTLE EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND THE CHANGE AND SO FORTH AND THE MEETING DATE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. YOU'LL HAVE THAT. I JUST, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D TAKE THE TIME NOW TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT. THAT'S SPONSORED BY TOM IFF, WHO? YEAH. AND BRENTWOOD, I AI WAS THAT SEAN AIELLO. AIELLO, YES. SEAN. THOSE ARE THE TWO SPONSORS ON THE BILL. SO TOM'S A BRENTWOOD. SO IS THAT A ONE TIME, IS IT A ONE TIME FEE OR IS THAT A YEAR? IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE, I BELIEVE IT'S A ONE TIME AND SUPPLY, IT'S LIKE AN IMPACT FEE TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND SO ANY NEW NON, IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE APPLICATION THAT CHANGE IS NON-RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST COMMERCIAL. SO IF, IF THAT PASSES, UH, IT WOULD CHANGE FROM 30, I BELIEVE FROM 34 CENTS TO $2 PER SQUARE FOOT. OKAY. UM, THAT FEE BE APPLIED AT PROBABLY AT THE PERMIT TIME, I SUSPECT IS WHEN THEY COLLECT IT. SO, EXACTLY. A FIVE TIMES INCREASE. YEAH. 500% INCREASE. YEAH, IT'S PRETTY BIG ONE . BUT IT, BUT IT ALSO, AND, AND THEY HAVE LIMITED LAND NOW IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. YEAH. AND THEY'RE TARGETING THE USE OF THE REVENUES ACCORDING TO THE BILL FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF, UH, UH, AMBULANCES AND FIRE ABS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I THINK RESIDENTIAL HAS BEEN AT A MAXIMUM DOWN THERE AND BUSINESS WAS DOWN LOWER. SO YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF BRINGING EVERYTHING IN, CATCHING UP LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, JUST FYI IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. TWO PRETTY BEEFY TOPICS. UM, UH, FIRST IS WIRELESS PERSONAL COMMUNICATION ORDINANCE, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN ESSENCE THE SIDING OF, UH, CELLULAR TOWERS. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE MAYORS BROUGHT UP THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU MAY HAVE DIRECTLY HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WIRELESS SERVICES, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT IF YOU GO VERY FAR EAST OF, UH, UM, THE INTERSTATE, UH, OR WILSON PIKE AT ALL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE TROUBLES. JUST AN EXAMPLE, IN MY HOUSE, I CAN BE IN ONE ROOM AND NOT, AND DROP A CALL OR LOSE IT OR NOT GET IT. I CAN TAKE ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT STEPS AND I CAN GET IT, WHICH IS REALLY STRANGE. SO I MUST BE RIGHT ON THE LINE SO I KNOW WHERE TO GO. IT'S NO BIG DEAL. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THAT. THEY IN THE, IN THE HOLE OR IN THE GAP AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT. WE MAY REFERENCED ONE TIME A NO BAR TOWN OVER THERE THAT WE CALL IT DRY IF YOU WANT TO , BUT IT IS A PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE HOW WIDESPREAD, BUT WE THINK IT'S FAIRLY WIDESPREAD. SO AGAIN, THAT'S PROMPTED US TO TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, WELL, WHY USE THAT? RIGHT. AND SO I'LL GET TO THAT. BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA COVER, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. UH, WHY IS THERE NEED TO CHANGE? THE WHY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THE PRIMARY GOALS OF, OF A SUGGESTED AMENDMENT, WHICH WE DEFINITELY WANNA GET ALL THE INPUT WE CAN FROM YOU. UH, UH, AND SO THE SUGGESTED APPROACH TO THAT, AND THEN THE, UH, PRELIMINARY MEETING SCHEDULE AS IT WOULD, IF EVERYTHING JUST KIND OF FLOWED [00:25:01] AS IT NORMALLY WOULD. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU ASK QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CHANCE AT THE END AS WELL. BUT, UH, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT, BUT, UH, IT TECHNICALLY ALLOWS FOR, UH, A CELL TOWERS, UH, MOBILE COMMUNICATION TOWERS AND ANY LAND USED, IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT IN CERTAIN LAND USES, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT USES A TIER SYSTEM. UH, AND THERE'S THREE TIERS. SO IF YOU'RE A TIER ONE, IT'S AN EXPEDITED REVIEW. IT'S, THAT'S REALLY FOR EXISTING POLES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. ROOF MOUNTED ON BUILDINGS THAT ARE CAMOUFLAGED, BARELY, IF NOT EVEN ABLE TO BE SEEN SHORT MONOPOLES, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT POLES HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT POLES LESS THAN 42 FEET, WHICH ARE PRETTY SHORT. NOW, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE AT ONE TIME IN PHASE, WE HAD THESE TALL POLES, THEN WE WENT TO THESE LITTLE MM-HMM SMALL POLES. THE SMALL POLES AREN'T REALLY IN QUESTION HERE AT THIS POINT. SO IT'S MORE BACK TO THE LARGER POLES. SO WHEN YOU THINK OF A LARGER POLE, 42 FEET, IT'S NOT A VERY TALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING TO, TO GET THE SIGNAL OUT. AND WE'RE TALKING BOTH PHONE SIGNAL AND DATA SIGNAL. AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN FREQUENCIES AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE THERE. AND SO THAT TIER ONE IS AN EXPEDITED REVIEW. THAT'S WHERE YOU'D WANT TO BE. IF YOU CAN, QUITE HONESTLY, 42 FEET, GENERALLY IN MOST PLACES IN HEIGHT, ISN'T GONNA GET YOU VERY FAR OUT ANYMORE. SO, UH, THERE MAY BE AN EXCEPTION IF YOU HAVE A GOOD HILL OR SOMETHING. UH, TIER TWO, MORE EXTE, EXTENSIVE REVIEW AND POSSIBLE MITIGATION OF IMPACT. BUT IT'S STILL, UH, AN EASIER, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS IN TIER THREE. SO EXAMPLES ARE CHURCH STEEPLES, NON-RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP MOUNTS THAT MIGHT BE VISIBLE, UH, WOULDN'T, UH, AREAS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE TIER THREE LOCATION. SO A LOT, A LOT OF THE FORESTED AREAS WOULD COUNT IN THERE. UH, COULD BE ON TVA TRANSMISSION TOWERS, OTHER UTILITY STRUCTURES, WATER TANKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, NEW MONOPOLES. SO NOT EXISTING SITES, BUT NEW SITES STILL LESS THAN 42 FEET. SO PART OF THE THEME RUNNING IN TIER ONE AND TWO IS LESS THAN 42 FEET IF YOU'RE POLE. UM, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATTICE, BUT THAT'S CONCERN RIGHT NOW. JASON, JUST TO POINT CLARIFICATION. YES. ARE THE, THE LESS THAN 42 FEET MONOPOLES, ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO OR SO, THE STATE TOLD US WE COULDN'T PROHIBIT? OR WERE THOSE DIFFERENT POLES, THE ONES ABOUT, OH, THAT I KNOW ARE THE SMALL FIVE TOWER. THOSE ARE SMALL CELLS. YEAH, THOSE ARE SMALL CELLS. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. OKAY. MM-HMM . SOME OF THOSE ARE, THEY'RE 20 FEET. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY TO 42. THEY'RE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 20 MAYBE I WOULD SAY. OR IF THAT, IF THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT, THERE'S ONE OF THOSE IN ROAD BOULEVARD, RIGHT BY THE NEW HOTEL AND OUR DEALERSHIP RIGHT THERE, TIER THREE, UH, LEAST PREFERRED AND AVOIDED FROM A PERMITTING PERSPECTIVE. AND APPROVAL REQUIRES EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS. SO THESE WOULD BE THE REST, RIGHT? IT COULD BE IN FLOODPLAIN STREAMS, SCENIC CORRIDORS, GATEWAYS, STEEP HILLSIDES, PARKS, GREENWAYS, OTHER OPEN SPACE WITHIN 500 FEET OF HISTORIC OR CULTURAL SITES, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ALL GROUND MOUNTS EXCEEDING 42 FEET. THE BIGGEST KEY HERE IS THE EXCEEDING 42 FEET. SO HEIGHT IS A COMMON THEME FROM TIER ONE TO TIER ONE AND TWO LESS THAN 42 FEET. IF YOU'RE GONNA BE HIGHER THAN 42 FEET, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY GONNA BE IN TIER THREE. PRETTY EXTENSIVE REVIEW. AGAIN, GENERAL REQUIREMENTS ON OUR ORDINANCE, WE ALREADY RE REQUIRE DISGUISING TECHNIQUES, COLOR COMPATIBILITY, SCREENING OF EQUIPMENT, SHELTERS, CABINETS, THINGS LIKE THAT. INTERNAL WIRING INSIDE THE, UH, POLES. UH, WE, WE PREFER IN OUR CODE A HEIGHT SIMILAR TO, UH, AROUND SURROUNDING AREA POLE STRUCTURES. WE DON'T LIKE, UH, AN INTENDED TO BE 10 FEET ABOVE ROOFS, UH, ON ROOF MOUNTED, UH, OR UTILITY TANKS OR ANY ADJACENT TREE HEIGHT WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET. SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME KIND OF, THAT'S SORT OF AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CURRENT ONE. WE ALSO LIKE TO AVOID A GROUND, UH, MOUNTED LATTICE TOWERS. I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF A LATTICE TOWER A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND TOWERS WITH GUIDE WIRES, IF YOU THINK OF A TOWER WITH A GUIDE WIRE, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE KIND OF A LITTLE SKINNY, UH, LATTICE TYPE, WHICH HAS LITTLE CROSS METAL PIECES AND THEY HAVE THE WIRES COMING OUT TO HOLD 'EM. IF YOU GO BACK THE, UH, THE, THE TALL, TALL, TALL ANTENNA CONCORD THERE, THOSE ARE GUIDE WIRES. WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK 'EM TO CHANGE THAT , BUT THAT'S KINDA WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY PROBABLY HAVE A GRANDFATHER ON, THEY'RE PROBABLY IN GOOD SHAPE WITH THAT. AND I DON'T THINK I'D OPEN TOUCH IT. IT'S OVER 42 FEET. YEAH, . AND IF YOU CAN GET USED TO THAT, YOU CAN GET USED TO ABOUT ANYTHING. BUT, UH, THE FALL ZONE REQUIREMENT NOW IS 110% OF THE TOWER HEIGHTS. 'CAUSE THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT IT'S GONNA PIVOT FROM THE BASE AND FALL. UH, AND THEN TYPICAL ZONING SETBACKS, SETBACKS PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FALL ZONE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR CURRENT AND OUR, AND SO OUR CURRENT POLICY IS REALLY INTENDED TO MAKE IT PRETTY DIFFICULT. IT DOESN'T WANT A PROLIFERATION OF TOWERS, AND THERE'S GOOD REASON FOR THAT, RIGHT? IT'S INTENDED TO MEET THE MINIMUM NEED THAT WE HAVE, BUT NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEE TOWERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA AGREE WITH ALL OVER TOWN. AND SO GREAT INTENTION, THERE'S UH, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS WHY THE NEED FOR CHANGE, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE THE, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GAPS OF SERVICE PRIMARILY IN THE EASTERN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND THAT RESULTS, I MEAN, THE POOR SERVICE OR NO SERVICE IS VERY [00:30:01] FRUSTRATING TO RESIDENTS. UM, THOSE GAPS THAT CAN AFFECT EMERGENCY CALL OUT, YOU MAY RELY ON YOUR PHONE FOR NINE ONE ONE. NOW THERE'S SOME ALTERNATIVES, BUT THAT, THAT QUICK INITIAL CALL, IF YOU JUST PICK UP YOUR PHONE, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SERVICE THAT CAN DELAY YOUR CALL. UH, REMOTE BUSINESS ACTIVITY COULD BE A PROBLEM. AGAIN, THERE'S ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU'RE USING WIFI THROUGH YOUR PHONE AND SO FORTH, UH, ROUTINE RECREATIONAL USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE, THE REAL KEY IS, IS YOU COULD BE OUT, IF YOU'RE OUT IN AN AREA, I'M GONNA SAY A PARK OR SOME OTHER AREA, AND, UH, UH, YOU NEED TO GET CONTACT SOMEBODY, YOU NEED TO BE ON THE PHONE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SERVICE IN A LOT OF THOSE AREAS. OR IT MAY BE REALLY, UH, POOR SERVICE. YOU MAY BE IN AND OUT AND, YOU KNOW, CALLS DROPPED. SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. AND I WOULD SAY IT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT SHOULD BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS EXPECT FOR WHAT NOW IS MORE OF A UTILITY SERVICE THAN A LUXURY SERVICE'S. NOT THE OLD BACK PHONE DAYS WHEN THAT WAS REALLY COOL. MM-HMM . PEOPLE RELY ON THESE PHONES A LOT EVERY DAY. WHAT IS THE SERVICE REALLY EXPECTED FROM OUR COMMUNITY? AND IT, I THINK MOST WOULD SAY IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE. UM, SO, UM, I BELIEVE BASED ON THE REVIEW OF OUR, UH, TOWER ORDINANCE, UH, WIRELESS SERVICE ORDINANCE, IT'S PROVEN TO TO BE, IT'S BECOME OUTDATED. AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO RESTRICTIVE. AND THAT'S WHAT'S HINDERED THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, PUTTING THOSE TOWERS IN AREAS ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE WE'VE DEVELOPED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO. UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE GAPS IN SERVICE. SO WE'VE TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AND SAID, SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? RIGHT? SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, UH, OF, OF A MAP THAT RECENTLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A REQUEST. IT WAS JUST AN EXISTING TOWER. DIDN'T CHANGE IT, IT WAS JUST MORE ANTENNAS, DIFFERENT PROVIDERS ADDED TO CO-LOCATED ON AN EXISTING TOWER. AND YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR SCHEME THEY USE IS, UH, WHEN YOU CAN GET SERVICE IN THE BUILDING THAT'S GREEN IN A VEHICLE, IT'S UH, YELLOW AND ON THE STREET ONLY IT'S ORANGE. AND ON THE LEFT IS A PRE FOR 700 MEGAHERTZ. ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, UH, POST. AND YOU CAN SEE AROUND THAT SITE WHEN THEY, UH, ALLOWED FOR, AND THIS WAS, THIS WAS A PROPAGATION. SO I THINK THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL, I THINK THIS IS A PREDICT OR PREDICTED, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT A LOT MORE OF THE GREEN. SO IT PENETRATES ALL THE WAY INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WANT IT TO. THE ONLY REASON I SHOW THIS IS THAT CHANGE AFFECTED THAT ONE AREA, BUT IT'S STILL A PRETTY SMALL AREA. BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA A BIT OF THE RANGE TOO. AND UNDER THE, UH, 2100 MEGAHERTZ, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF A SIMILAR TYPE THING ON THE RIGHT, UH, PROJECTED TO HAVE MORE GREEN IN THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE THE HIGHER THE MEGAHERTZ IS THE DATA. IS THAT CORRECT? TODD? YOU REMEMBER? 21 MEGAHERTZ, I BELIEVE IS THE DATA. I THINK THE OTHER IS THE, THE PHONE, THE OTHER, THIS IS THE DATA, BUT NONETHELESS, IT GIVES YOU, THAT SHOWS YOU THAT DIFFERENCE. AND SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF ILLUSTRATE A DIFFERENCE THAT CAN BE MADE WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER SERVICE IN AN AREA. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, JUST FOR DISCLOSURE PURPOSES, IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY AT THIS MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT NOTATION IN THE MIDDLE SAYS THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB. AND IT'S NOT THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB. I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY DO THAT. YOU ALSO LOOK, YOU'LL SEE RAGSDALE ROAD, AND THIS WAS THE LOCATION OUT OFF OF RAGSDALE ROAD, JUST SO YOU KNOW. SO IF YOU SEE THAT LATER, YOU KIND OF KNOW IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNOR'S CLUB. THAT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION. AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO ILLUSTRATE. SO WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY GOALS OF AN AMENDMENT? WELL, OBVIOUSLY, NUMBER ONE, WE WANT TO ALLOW BETTER WIRELESS COMMUNICATION. WELL, WE WANNA ALLOW THE WIRELESS COMMUNICATION INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO PROVIDE SERVICE TO ADDRESS THE, THE SERVICE GAPS WE HAVE IN BRENTWOOD AND PROVIDE THE QUALITY SERVICE THAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS AND DESERVES. THAT'S REALLY THE NUMBER ONE THING. NUMBER TWO, IN DOING THAT, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO ENHANCE OUR RESIDENTS CAPABILITY TO, AGAIN, CALL EMERGENCY SERVICES WORK REMOTELY, USE WIRELESS SERVICES FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, WHATEVER THEY TYPICALLY DO. THAT'S WHAT IT RESULTS IN. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO REASONABLY RESTRICT THE ALLOWABLE LOCATIONS. IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW PROLIFERATION LOCATIONS. WE WANT TO REALLY TRY TO JUST ADDRESS THE NEED. AND WE'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN IT'S HITTING THE NEED, WHICH IS THE KEY THING. UM, SO YOU DON'T WANNA START SEEING TOWERS EVERYWHERE. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE SITE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, AND SO SITE SAFETY IS AN ISSUE WHERE, HOW TOWER, WHAT HAPPENS DURING A, A REALLY BAD STORM OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE SITE AESTHETIC CAPABILITY TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA ADD A BUNCH OF UGLY, WE CAN AVOID IT. IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. SO THOSE ARE THE GOALS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO HERE'S A SUGGESTED APPROACH. THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS WE WANNA RETAIN THE CORE PART OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. IF WE COMPLETELY CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO, UH, REALLY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT. AND SO WE WANT TO STAY WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND ESTABLISH A NEW LIMITED TIER TWO SUBCATEGORY. SO REMEMBER TIER ONE WAS EASIEST, TIER TWO WAS SORT OF THE MEDIUM. AND, AND, AND TIER TWO, AGAIN, UH, LIMITED TO UNDER 42 FEET AND TIER THREE WAS, WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TRY TO USE A LIMITED TIER TWO APPROACH, UH, WITH A LOT OF RESTRICTIVE ASPECTS HERE TO ALLOW SPECIFICALLY MONOPOLE STRUCTURES NOT TO EXCEED 160 FEET IN THE HEIGHT SUBJECT TO. AND IT SAYS NOT TO EXCEED. [00:35:01] IT'S NOT A GIVEN, UH, SUBJECT TO SOME VERY DEFINED CRITERIA. AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE CRITERIA. UH, FIRST THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE ONE THING BACK, BACK ON JUST FIRST PART. OH YEAH. UM, I'M, I'M CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THE 160 FEET THAT BUILT INTO THIS IS AN ACTUAL ENGINEERED NUMBER THAT'S NOT JUST A PROPORTION BASED ON, WELL, WHAT SOUNDS BIGGER THAN THE PREVIOUS NUMBER, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S A, A NUMBER BASED ON OUR TOPOGRAPHY, WHERE THE ENGINEERS FROM THE CELL COMPANIES SAID THIS IS THE HEIGHT WE WOULD NEED TO REACH THE AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE REACHED. YEAH. BASED ON, ON, ON HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY, THE 160 FEET WOULD BE THE HIGHEST WE SHOULD POSSIBLY NEED TO HAVE. BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, ANY SITE WOULD BE ENGINEERED BASED ON THE SIGNAL NEED FOR THAT SITE. AND, AND DEPENDING ON THE ELEVATION THERE AND THE COVERAGE AREA, IT COULD BE THAT OR LESS. WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE IT TO NEED TO BE MORE THAN THAT THOUGH. AND THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY, LIKE IF 65 FEET WILL BE SUFFICIENT. MM-HMM . THEY WON. THEY DON'T WANNA PUT 120 FOOT TOWER BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY FOUR TIMES AS EXPENSIVE AS THE HIGHER YOU GO. IT'S NOT JUST DOUBLE. IT STARTS GETTING REAL EXPENSIVE. THAT'S RIGHT. LAND FALLS LAND AND ALL THAT. SO, YEAH. AND SO ANOTHER ANOTHER POINT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HIT ON THE CURRENT CODE IS CO-LOCATION. THE CURRENT CODE ALREADY REQUIRES A CO-LOCATION ABILITY. SO YOU JUST DON'T GET TO MONOPOLIZE IF YOU'RE ONE TELECOM COMPANY, RIGHT? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ALLOW FOR OTHERS TO BE THERE. THAT CONTINUES HERE AS WELL. SO FIRST THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THE NEED. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S JUST TO HAVE A TOWER FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A TOWER TO GO INTO THIS LIMITED TIER TWO, YOU CANNOT DO THAT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW, KIND OF LIKE THE MAP DID BEFORE WITH THE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WITH A PROPAGATION STUDY, THAT THERE IS DEFICIENT SERVICE. IT'S EITHER POOR OR NON-EXISTENT. SO THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING IS TO, IS TO FILL THE NEED. AND THAT'S IT. SECOND, IT REQUIRES A THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF THAT STUDY. THEY PROVIDE US TO CONFIRM THE NEED, THEY PAY THE COST OF THAT, WE'LL CHOOSE WHO THAT REVIEWER IS. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT, AND THEY WILL CONFIRM THAT. AND IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE THINK IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. UH, THIRD, THE PROPERTY SITE. AND THIS IS INTERESTING TOO, PART THE THIRD ITEM IS TO, AGAIN, TRYING TO LIMIT THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE. SO IT LIMITS THE SITES OF WHICH YOU CAN PUT AN, UH, A NEW TOWER, UH, TO, UH, EVEN IF YOU FULFILL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, YOU HAVE TO FULFILL ALL OF THESE TO PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED OR LEASED BY A GOVERNMENTAL OR QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. UH, SSO WOULD BE LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT OR BY A RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. NOW, IF YOU'RE INTO AN HOA SITUATION, YOU MAY HAVE A SIDE ZONING DECISION TOO. SO IT MAY BE A DUAL THING, BUT WE FELT LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH OPEN SPACE THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IN CERTAIN AREAS. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO USE THAT TO PROVIDE THE COVERAGE. SO WE INCLUDED THAT AS RECOMMENDED. UH, THE SITE SITE CANNOT BE ON OTHER THAN AN HOA SITUATION CANNOT BE ON PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. SO IT CAN'T BE JUST ANYWHERE. NOW, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, GOSH, IT'S, UH, WHY WOULDN'T YOU ALLOW IT IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS? THAT'S THE EASIEST PLACE. WELL, THIS ISN'T INTENDED RIGHT NOW. THE SERVICES ARE THERE, UH, THERE AREN'T ANY CONCERNS. AND THIS IS REALLY INTENDED TO FILL THE GAPS. AND THE GAPS APPEAR TO BE ON THE EAST SIDE AND IN A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED OR SEMI DEVELOPED AREAS OR FULLY DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO IT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR THAT, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, THE CONCERN IF YOU HAVE IT ON CERTAIN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, YOU CAN MAKE MONEY. I MEAN, IF YOU ALLOW IT ON YOUR BUILDING OR SOMETHING. NOW, IF YOU CAN STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CURRENT CODE, THAT'S FINE. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO, WE, THE POINT OF THIS WASN'T TO CREATE A, AN A REVENUE EARNING COMPETITIVE DEAL IS TO FILL THE GAPS THAT WE NEED AND FILL THE SERVICE GAPS. THAT'S REALLY IT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY LIMITED. WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS LIMITED AS POSSIBLE, HOPEFULLY FILL THOSE GAPS. UM, HERE'S, HERE'S A, SOME EXAMPLE OF SOME TOWERS. SO, UH, FIRST I SHOW YOU ON THE LEFT IS A LATTICE TOWER. SO WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD LATTICE TOWER, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHAT TYPE OF TOWER THAT IS. MM-HMM. THOSE ARE DISCOURAGED ALREADY TODAY. NOT ALLOWED IN THIS. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. THE THE NEXT ONE IS A TYPICAL MONOPOLE. AND AGAIN, UH, WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING IS ALL THE WIRING WOULD HAVE TO BE INSIDE THE MONOPOLE. NOW THAT'S THE, THAT'S NOT A DISGUISED MONOPOLE. THE NEXT THREE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF, OF BEING DISGUISED OR ACTUALLY, UH, YOU CAN SEE FLAGPOLE. THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIRLY COMMON ONE. UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREES. THEY CAN COLOR THE METAL. THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN DO. THESE ARE JUST STOCK PHOTOS. AND SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR PROCESS HERE IS IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO THAT LIMITED TIER TWO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE DISGUISE APPROACH. CAMOUFLAGE APPROACH. YOU JUST DON'T THROW SOMETHING OUT AND SAY, WE CAMOUFLAGED. WE'RE GOOD. PLANNING COMMISSION GETS TO LOOK AT THAT, ASK QUESTIONS AND APPROVE THAT. SO THERE COULD BE A LOT OF VARIATIONS EITHER JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE WANTED TO LEAVE THAT DISCRETION WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU THINK THEY COULD DO THAT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. UH, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE MONOPOLE THE ENGINE HAVE ENGINEERED COLLAPSE IN LIEU OF THE FALL ZONE REQUIREMENT. REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT 110% BECAUSE IT PRESUMES FROM THE BASE, IT'S JUST GONNA FALL AND PIVOT DOWN AND, AND YOU WANNA COVER THAT AREA. BUT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TODAY ARE MANY OF 'EM. AND IT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE LIMITED TIER TWO IS AT CERTAIN HEIGHTS, THERE'S, I CALL 'EM PINCH POINTS OR WEAK POINTS. THEY'RE ENGINEERED. SO THAT FALLS [00:40:01] RIGHT THERE ON ITSELF AND IT DOESN'T, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A FULL COLLAPSE. WE FELT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING THAT SAFETY, UH, PART IN THERE 'CAUSE IT ENHANCES THE SITE SAFETY. UH, SO THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING. UM, MUST ACCOMMODATE CO-LOCATION. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT LIMITS THE PROLIFERATION IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY CAN SHARE THE TOWER IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. IF IT DOESN'T, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW US. UM, AS FAR AS THE VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, ALL GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT EQUIPMENT BE, I'M SORRY IF GROUND MOUNTED. WELL, I, I GOT A EXTRA THERE. TYPO. ANYWAY, FULLY SCREENED AGAIN, AS AESTHETIC PART, MEET ALL THE APPLICABLE LAWS, CODES, STATE LAWS, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND THEN AGAIN, REQUIRES PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL AND CERTIFIED NOTIFICATION OF, OF, UH, THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE SITE STRUCTURE. AND SO IT'S, UH, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO WHEREVER THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET IN ALL DIRECTIONS, THERE WILL BE A NOTIFICATION. AND SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL DO A COUPLE THINGS, RIGHT? IT ENSURES PROCESS TRANSPARENCY, WHICH WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND ENGAGEMENT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS THOSE ARE THE FOLKS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD THAT MAY BE HAVING, THAT SHOULD BE HAVING BASED ON THE STUDY ISSUES WITH THEIR CELL PHONES. AND SO IT, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF THE ONES WITH THE FULL INFORMATION, RIGHT? HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR ME TO HAVE, HAVE MY, UH, SIGNAL BETTER? UH, AND THEN WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING OUT THERE AND WHAT ARE MY COMMENTS GONNA BE? AND THOSE GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE, THE AUTHORITY ON THESE APPLICATIONS, SO ON, ON CO-LOCATION THAT'S NOT PUT IN MULTIPLE TOWERS IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT MULTIPLE ANTENNAS, MULTIPLE CARRIERS ON THE SAME TOWER. YES. YEAH. MULTIPLE CARRIERS. CARRIERS IN THEIR ANTENNAS ON THE SAME TOWER. THEY CAN BE, A LOT OF TIMES THEY MAY BE AT DIFFERENT, UH, ELEVATIONS ON THE TOWER OR THEY COULD BE ALL IN THE SAME. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE DESIGN. UH, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE TOWER PER LOCATION, THANK YOU. ONE TOWER PER LOCATION. REMEMBER THAT. SO JASON, QUICKLY, THE, THE, UH, TIME GAP BETWEEN THE, UM, TIERED REVIEW PROCESSES. SO IF YOU SAY IT'S AN EXPEDITED REVIEW, SAYS YOU SUBMITTED A WEEK LATER, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO TIER TWO, THEN DID WE SIT ON IT FOR A YEAR? DO YOU KNOW? WELL HERE WHAT HAPPENED? I WILL TELL YOU THERE, UNDER FEDERAL LAW, THERE'S A, I CALL A SHOT CLOCK. UH, IF YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION AND YOU HAVE AN ACTED ON IT WITHIN THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF DAYS, 90 OR ONE 50 DEPENDING ON WHAT DAYS. OKAY. 90 WHAT? 90 DAYS OR, OR 150 DAYS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR APPLICATION. SO IF YOU SIT, IF YOU SIT ON IT AND THERE'S NO DECISION AND THE SHOT CLOCK EXPIRES, IT'S APPROVED, THE FEDS DON'T WANT COMMUNITIES TO SIT ON IT. AND THAT'S FEDERAL LAW. SO, UM, AND I, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE TO SEE US EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE TO TAKE THE PROCESS. TODD, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN A TIER ONE AND EXPECTED TIER TWO? RIGHT? SURE. SO FOR, FOR TIER ONE, UM, THOSE ARE LIKE, YOU ADD ADDITIONAL ANTENNAS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE OR ON TOP OF AN, OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. OKAY? SO IF IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE, WE DO THOSE ADMINISTRATIVELY OKAY. IN-HOUSE. SO THEY DON'T GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO TIER TWO WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT STILL IT'S AN EASIER REVIEW AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO AS MUCH TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TIER THREE. MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO THE, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS, IS WE RECOGNIZE YOU'RE GONNA NEED A TOWER THAT'S TALLER THAN 42 FEET IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IN MOST OF THOSE LOCATIONS. AND, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT SAYS, OKAY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ALLOW IT, UH, AS A TIER TWO PROCESS, RIGHT? BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE VERY FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AS YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S DEFICIENT COVERAGE OF SERVICE COVERAGE RIGHT THERE. MY SENSE ON THIS IS, ESPECIALLY WHERE I LIVE IN THAT WHOLE AREA, EAST BRENTWOOD, IF WE DO PASS THIS, WE WILL PROBABLY SEE SEVERAL APPLICATIONS EARLY ON THEN UNLESS THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY CHANGE DOWN THE ROAD. 'CAUSE 5G YEAH. HAS PUSHED A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE OF HOW IT WORKS COMPARED TO THE OLDER. AND SO WE MAY SEE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMMUNICATION COMPANIES MAY WANT TO FILL IN THESE GAPS BECAUSE THAT MAKES THEIR SERVICE BETTER AND GIVES THEM A BETTER SHOT OF KEEPING THEIR CUSTOMERS. BUT, UH, AND THEN IT'LL PROBABLY RELAX UNLESS THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY CHANGE. THE BENEFIT IS IF THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY CHANGE DOWN THE ROAD, IT COULD BE THE WEST PART OF BRENTWOOD OR THE CENTER OF BRENTWOOD, SUDDENLY COULD BE BE, DOESN'T HAVE GOOD COVERAGE 'CAUSE OF WHATEVER IMPLICATIONS ARE TECHNOLOGICALLY. SO THAT'S MY SENSE IS THAT WE'LL SEE A FEW, MAYBE SEVERAL AFTER WE PASS THIS PROBABLY WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN ONCE THEY GET IT ALL SET. BUT I CAN TELL YOU ESPECIALLY SINCE PROBABLY 2012, 2013 EAST OF WILSON PIKE AND ON WILSON PIKE AND PLACES ON CONCORD ROAD, [00:45:01] COVERAGE AND SERVICE HAS JUST GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT, IT'S NEVER WAS GOOD. AND IT'S HELD EVEN. IT ACTUALLY USED TO BE BETTER. AND THE VOLUME AFFECTS THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THAT BAN BANDWIDTH TOO. AND SO EVEN THOUGH OUR FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS REALLY TO FILL GAPS ON THE EAST SIDE, IT DOESN'T PREVENT ANYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE. AND AS, AS YOU'RE SAYING, UH, RAY, IF, IF THERE IS CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY, WHATEVER, THAT THEY CAN SAVE, WELL NOW WE DON'T HAVE COVERAGE HERE. 'CAUSE OF OF THAT, YOU COULD STILL APPLY THAT AND LOOK AT THAT AND, AND, AND WE MAY HAVE TO GET BACK INTO IT, THE ORDINANCE AGAIN. AT SOME POINT, IF THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES TOO MUCH IN THE MURRAY LANE AREA, THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME PLACES THAT COULD BE IMPROVED. I CAN, I CAN I CAN MARK THEM FOR YOU. YEAH, BECAUSE I, I'VE GO THROUGH THERE AND YES, COULD BE OF COURSE HOLLY TREE. MOST OF IT IS NOT IN BRENTWOOD, BUT LIKE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THERE TOO, THERE'S PLACES WHERE THERE'S SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUES THERE TOO. YEAH. IT'D BE EASIER IF WE WERE FLAT, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE NEARLY PRETTY. WELL YOU NOT EXACTLY. YEAH. I CAN RELATE TO YOUR, I CAN LITERALLY SIT IN MY OFFICE MAKING A CELL PHONE CALL, DROP THE CALL, TURN IN MY CHAIR AND GET THE CALL. YES. THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS. YES. YEAH. I'VE GOT SPOTS IF YOU CAN, CAN IMAGINE BUILDING A BOWLING ALLEY. THIS THIS TIER TWO, I NOT BE ABLE TO TURN TO MY CHAIR. , THERE'S A SONG IN THERE SOMEWHERE. NOW , IF YOU WANNA USE THE ANALOGY OF THIS, OF BUILDING A BOWLING ALLEY, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD ONE LANE. YEAH. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT WITH SOME GUARDRAILS IN ONE LANE TO TRY TO FIT THE NEED. AND WE HAVE HAD, UH, UH, NUMEROUS COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY TO TRY TO SAY, DO WE THINK THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO FILL THE NEED AND NOT DO ANYTHING MORE? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL. WE THINK WE FOUND IT. AND YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY START IN THE PROCESS AND YOU GET THERE. AND IF WE HAVE TO TWEAK, WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND ASK YOU TO DO THAT. BUT WE THINK WE FOUND THAT. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT THAT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THESE THINGS. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE. SO AS WE GO FORWARD, UH, THE DATE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IT FIRST, UH, READING ON YOUR AGENDA TO GET IT STARTED WOULD BE MONDAY, DECEMBER 8TH. AND THAT ALLOWS, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER ZONING CHANGES THAT NEED TO COMPLIMENT THIS AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME WORK TO BE DONE. AND THEN THAT WOULD PUT IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW OF THE 5TH OF JANUARY, A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BY YOU ON THE 12TH OF JANUARY. AND THEN, UH, FINAL SECOND AND FINAL READING ON THE 26TH. THAT ASSUMES RIGHT, THAT EVERYTHING FLOWS AS IT NORMALLY WOULD. IT MAY, IT MAY NOT. THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL TRY TO TO ON ANY OF THOSE, WHETHER YOURS OR CITIZEN QUESTIONS TO GO TRY TO FIND ANSWERS FOR ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, AND IT MAY, THAT MAY BE THAT YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON ALL THAT, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WOULD NEED SOME MORE TIME. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE, BUT THIS IS, IF YOU WOULD JUST FOLLOW THE PRETTY, UH, STATIC PROCESS AND TIMELINE, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT END UP. NOW, I I I WILL SAY JUST A, AN FYI, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE, UH, THEY, UH, NOLANSVILLE WATER UTILITY DISTRICT, UH, THEY PROVIDE A WATER SERVICES UP INTO GOVERNOR'S CLUB AND THEY HAVE SOME PROPERTY UP IN THE HILLS THERE AND THERE'S A TANK UP THERE AND YOU DON'T SEE IT. UH, AND UH, THAT TANK, I BELIEVE HAS RAILING WITH ANTENNAS AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT TANK DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TANK THAT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE ANTENNA LIKE THE OLD TANK COULD MM-HMM . AND SO THEY HAVE A TIMEFRAME. WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS IT'S MAY OF NEXT YEAR TO HAVE, UH, THE ANTENNAS OFF OF THAT TANK. NOW THEY, THERE IS THE CAPABILITY, WE BELIEVE THE INTENT TO HAVE SOME TEMPORARY, A TEMPORARY ANTENNA, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS A, AN ISSUE FOR US HERE. UH, BUT WE DON'T, WE, WE STILL NEED TO CHECK TO SEE FOR HOW LONG AND SO FORTH. SO IF THERE'S, AS FAR AS IT, OTHER THAN JUST SERVICE IN GENERAL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT PRESSING, I WOULD SAY THAT DOES PROMPT US TO SAY, OKAY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL LIFE SITUATION THAT THIS MIGHT BE ABLE TO BENEFIT. AND SO THAT'S IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS AS WELL AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IF BY CHANCE YOU DO HAVE A COMPLETE GAP THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. NOT JUST A GOVERNOR'S CLUB. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. AND SO WE DO WANT TO TRY TO MOVE REASONABLY FAST AND THEN ADDRESS THE SITUATION, THE QUESTIONS AND ALL THAT AT THE SAME TIME. BUT WE DON'T WANNA HOLD YOU BACK, JASON, LEMME JUST ASK THE, THE TANK THAT HAS THE RAIL, IF THEY PUT AN ANTENNA ON THERE, THEY'RE PAYING NOLAN'S BILL YES. FOR HAVING IT ON THERE. YEAH. WHY WOULD NOLANSVILLE NOT WANNA PUT A RAIL ON THE, I WONDER THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, I, UH, I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH HER. I, I SPOKE WITH THEIR, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. I DIDN'T ASK THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE AND TYPE OF TANK. AND IT MAY, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE IT IS. I, MY UNDER, I BELIEVE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT'S NOT A TANK WITH FEET ON IT, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THAT. IN THAT CASE, YOU MAY NOT WANT ANYTHING ON THE ACTUAL TANK. CHRIS COULD TELL YOU FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE, OTHERS WANT TO PUT THINGS ON YOUR TANK ANTENNAS AND THINGS, BUT THE UTILITY REALLY DOESN'T. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WELDS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. I, MY VERY FIRST JOB, I NEGOTIATED THE UGLY ONES ON A, ON [00:50:01] AN OLDER TANK. UM, AND, UH, WE DID GET A NEW WARNING SYSTEM, TORNADO WARNING SYSTEM OUTTA THAT DEAL. BUT, BUT NONETHELESS, UM, IF IT'S A BULB TYPE TANK, THEY WOULDN'T WANT THAT. IF IT'S ANYTHING BUT THE LEGS. AND EVEN WITH THE CURRENT TANK, IT MAY NOT BE WORTH ENOUGH TO THEM TO DO THAT. BUT I, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY WOULDN'T WANT IT ON THERE. IF IT'S A TYPE OF TANKER THEY JUST DESERVE NOT, OR THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE LEASE DEAL, THEY'RE, THEY ARE MAKING SOME MONEY OFF OF THAT RIGHT NOW. SO DIRECTLY BEHIND YOU, CHRIS IS LOOKING A LITTLE ANIMATED. CHRIS, CHRIS, DID YOU, ABSOLUTE YOU WANT TO DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION STRICTLY FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE? THEY'RE NOT FUN. YEAH. NO INVOLVED UTILITY. WHICH ONES ARE YOU REFERRING TO? CHRIS? THEY JUST GET IN THE WAY. YOU GOT A LOT OF WIRING AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND THE MAINTENANCE GUYS JUST CAN'T STAND THEM. SO IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCE OF HOW MUCH YOU GONNA THEY GONNA PAY YOU VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP WITH. BUT YEAH, SO, SO FROM A WATER AND SEWER PERSPECTIVE, THE FEES ARE NOT ENOUGH. I KNOW, AND I'M, AND OF COURSE BEING HERE IN BRENTWOOD 20 YEARS, WE'VE NOT HAD THAT SITUATION. BUT IN A PRIOR LIFE TO BRENTWOOD, WE DID HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS AND IT WASN'T MUCH MONEY AT ALL. YEAH. IN MY OPINION, IT WASN'T WORTH IT. BUT YEAH. SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE ANSWER. THOSE FEES MAY HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY. AND IT DOESN'T SATISFY UTILITY INTEREST AS CHRIS IS TALKING ABOUT. IT'S REALLY THE OPPOSITE OF THAT BECAUSE IT COULD CREATE FUTURE MAINTENANCE ISSUES. AND AGAIN, THE, UH, COORDINATION ISSUES. I MEAN, HONESTLY, YOU ONLY WANT YOUR PEOPLE OR THE PEOPLE YOU PAY TO BE WORKING ON YOUR TANK, MAINTAINING THE PAINTING, IT, WHATEVER TO BE THERE. YOU REALLY DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TAKE SENDING IN AND AROUND. 'CAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT HAPPEN, SECURITY ISSUES. THEY HAVE KEYS TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, TO GET IN YOUR GATES AND THEY LEAVE GATES. SO IT'S JUST ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YEAH. SO, YES. I, ONE QUESTION. WHEN YOU AND NELSON AND, AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE TALKING TO UTILITY COMPANIES, DID YOU GET A SENSE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE, GREAT PASS THIS AND WE'RE GONNA START, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO START PUTTING TOWERS UP. WE DO ANTICIPATE THE POSSIBILITY OF AN APPLICATION SOMEWHERE IN THAT OWENSVILLE UH, PROPERTY OR ON, I'M NOT EVEN SURE TO BE ON THE OWENSVILLE DISTRICT PROPERTY. IT COULD VERY WELL BE IN THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB PROPERTY, BUT IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE IN THAT GENERAL AREA TO COVER THE SAME SPACE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. THAT'LL KIND OF BE UP TO THE CARRIERS AND TO THE FOLKS WHO CITE THOSE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST LOCATION AND THE SPACING AND HOW IT FITS INTO ALL THIS. BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE AN APPLICATION PRETTY QUICKLY. I WOULD SUGGEST THE BRENTWOOD POLICE HEADQUARTERS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK. SO, BUT DO ANDT THEY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN OTHER AREAS ALSO. I MEAN THEY YEAH. RURAL AREA WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHERE THE HERITAGE IS. I MEAN, CELL PHONES SERVICE AT THE HERITAGE IS HORRIBLE. YEAH. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. THEY, THEY ALMOST ALL HAVE CELL PHONES, SO IT'S AWARE THEY DO, OF AT LEAST THREE AREAS THAT, UH, PROBABLY THAT SINGLE, UH, ANTENNA WOULD NOT, OR TOWER WOULD NOT SERVE. UM, AGAIN, EXACTLY WHERE THAT WOULD BE. BUT THAT THE HERITAGE AREA IS ONE OF THOSE. DOES IT SEEM THOUGH, LIKE THAT THE INDUSTRY IS GONNA DRIVE THE APPLICATIONS OR YOU REACHING OUT AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, THEY'RE LIKE, GREAT, WE HAVE PLANS. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A OUT IN THIS AREA, IN THIS AREA. I, I THINK THE ANSWER'S YES TO THAT. OKAY. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRACKING AND THEY'LL BE TRACKING THIS. AND, UH, AGAIN, ASSUMING THAT WE HIT THE SWEET SPOT OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND HOW WE WANT TO DO IT AND FOR THEM, AND WE, WE BELIEVE WE ARE. IF NOT, WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK, TWEAK IT. BUT IF WE BELIEVE WE ARE, SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE APPLICATIONS AFTER THIS IS APPROVED FOR SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS TO TAKE CARE OF IT. YEP. STEVE, GOOD QUESTION. I GOT IT. FOR YOUR SONG. YEAH. WELL, WELL THEME. YOU SAY TURN IN MY CHAIR. WELL, HERE COMES THE POST TURN IN MY CHAIR. HERE COMES THE PUBLISHING REPORT. YES. . I GOTTA GET, I GOT, YOU KNOW, TURNED IN MY CHAIR AND DROPPED THE CALL IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS MAD. THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW. I LOST MY LOVE FOREVER. SO THERE YOU GO. . I LIKE IT. YOU GOT THE POWER. I DO ANTICIPATE ALONG THE WAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN ONCE WE DUMP IT OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ONCE YOU DO THAT, THEY'LL START REALLY GETTING INTO IT. BUT DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD APPROACH TO BEGIN WITH, TO GET THIS PROCESS STARTED? I DO. ARE ARE THERE ANY EXISTING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INPUT, LIKE THE SERVICE IS TERRIBLE HERE, AND ARE WE GONNA HEAR FROM PEOPLE OR WE JUST ALREADY KNOW, KIND OF KNOW THE WELL, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ALREADY. UH, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS ON YOUR AGENDA, THAT AGENDA GETS OUT THAT WE'LL START GETTING MORE INPUT ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO THESE HEAT MAPS, LIKE WHAT THEY DID RIGHT? FOR THIS ONE, THE INDUSTRY'S GOT THOSE AND THEY, THEY KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. OKAY. BUT, BUT THE, THE IMPRESSION I'VE GOT IS THEY FELT LIKE BRENTWOOD WAS NOT INTERESTED BY THE STATE OF OUR ORDINANCE. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND YEAH. IN ORDINANCE, MAYBE TOO DIFFICULT THREE YEARS OLD, 23 YEARS OLD. YEAH. SO YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME FEEDBACK. YOU KNOW, CELL COVERAGE IS GOOD FOR ME. CELL TOWERS ARE GOOD FOR THE, YEAH, I'M GONNA, IN YOUR BACKYARD, I VISIBLE FROM YOUR HOME. WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK. BUT HOPEFULLY THAT GETS MITIGATED BY THEIR ONGOING FRUSTRATION THEY'VE HAD WITH BAD COVERAGE AND THAT WE'LL WATER THAT OUT. AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WILL COME UP AND SAY, LOOK, WE GOTTA PUT THIS SOMEWHERE. AND, AND, AND I WILL SAY, I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO IN WHICH, AND, AND IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE A COMMON SCENARIO IN WHICH YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT SEE [00:55:01] ONE OF THESE TOWERS FROM ALL LOCATIONS. I DON'T SEE THAT SCENARIO. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE ABOVE WHAT, WHAT IMPACTS THE SIGNAL, RIGHT? UH, SO IT'S A MATTER OF, OF THE COVERAGE AREA, TRYING TO, TO GET THE MOST PROPER PLACEMENT POSSIBLE, TRYING TO CAMOUFLAGE AS, AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S GONNA HAVE A SAY IN THAT AND JUST DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN TO DO THAT. UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE TOTALLY INVISIBLE. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS TRYING TO LIMIT THE, THE LOCATIONS SHOULD JUSTIFY THE AREA IN CAMOUFLAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ISN'T THERE ONE IN SMITH PARK? THIS, THERE'S A TREE. I THINK THERE IS, AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD UNTIL THE LEAVES FALL OFF . BUT, BUT IT STILL LOOKS BETTER EVEN THEN. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GLANCE AT IT AND IT'S A TREE ON A HILL. BUT I I, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE A YEAH. CAN'T HAVE IT YEAR ROUND. WELL, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. WHEN WE NOTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A THOUSAND FEET, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED BY THE VISUAL OF IT, WILL THEY KNOW TO CONTACT OR TO TALK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE PREFER. WE WANT THE FLAGPOLE VERSUS THE TREE VERSUS WHATEVER. LIKE HOW WILL THEY, CAN WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THOSE ARE THE DECISION MAKERS? IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO A REZONING REQUEST. SO THE APPLICANT WILL SEND CERTIFIED NOTIFICATION TO RESIDENTS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE SITE. OKAY. AND THEY WILL INCLUDE THE, THE UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE. OKAY. SO, SO THEY WILL KNOW WHERE THEY CAN BE HEARD. AND, AND TODD, THE APPLICATION WILL HAVE THE, AT LEAST THE DESIRED, UH, APPROACH FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PERMIT. RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE APPLICATION, IT'S A MONOPOLE DISGUISED AS A, UH, I DON'T KNOW, EVERGREEN OR WHATEVER, I'M JUST MAKING THAT UP THE, BY THE TIME THAT THAT NOTICE IS SENT OUT, WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR. EXACTLY. SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. SO AT THAT POINT, THAT MIGHT PROMPT US, SAY, WELL, COULD YOU DO THIS? OR COULD YOU DO THAT? SO THEY'LL AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE STARTING. OKAY. AND THEY KNOW IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 'CAUSE IT'LL, I MEAN, IT'LL SAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THEIR DECISION MADE. IT'S NOT, ONE THING TO POINT OUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IS IF A PROVIDER SUBMITS A CODE COMPLIANT APPLICATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY IT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF CITIZEN UPROAR THERE SHOULD BE. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANNA PUT ON. LIKE IF, UM, THEY COME OUT AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT IT AT ALL, BUT IF IT'S CODE COMPLIANT, THEN IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER YEAH. ESPECIALLY WITH THE FEDERAL LAW SURROUNDING THIS. SO, AND THE SHOWING A NEED. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY BIG FACTOR IN THAT TOO. OKAY. NOT BEING ARBITRARY ON IT. AND WE, WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE HOW MUCH PEOPLE LOVE CHANGE AND , LIKE I SAID, WE SAID, BUT UH, REALLY, I MEAN, AT SOME LEVEL, THE MOST COMMON IMAGE THAT PEOPLE USE REPRESENT OUR CITY IS THE BIGGEST COMMUNICATIONS TOWER I'VE EVER SEEN. MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY A TOWER AVERSE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WANT YOU TALKING ABOUT WSM YEAH. ABOUT THE WSM TOWER WAY. WHAT ARE THEY DOING THERE? HAVE YOU SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER? PROBABLY PROBABLY SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE AND SOME OF, SOME OF THE GUY WIRES MADE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT ACTUALLY, NO, THEY'VE GOT TOWER. THEY'VE GOT A PILE OF DIRT THERE. THAT TOWER WAS LARGE ENOUGH THAT IT PICKED UP ALL THE GERMAN EVO TRANSMISSIONS IN THE ATLANTIC AND THE CARIBBEAN IN WORLD WAR II. AND NAVAL INTELLIGENCE WAS IN THE BASEMENT OF THAT BUILDING. AND ONCE ENIGMA, THE CODE BREAKING CODE BREAKER MACHINE, UH, NO TELLING HOW MANY AMERICAN LIVES WERE SAVED BY THAT TOWER. IT'S PRETTY AMAZING. SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT PROLIFERATION TOWERS, BUT ALSO, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, WANNA JUST LEAN INTO, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW? WELL, WE'RE HAVE CELL SERVICE. WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME HOURS. WE'RE SELL AND WE'RE DATA NEEDY BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S, YEAH. SO EVERYBODY'S DOING SMART HOME ADAPTATIONS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOUR SECURITY, YOUR OVEN, YOU NAME IT. AND THERE ARE, THEY CLAIM OTHER ALTERNATIVES. LIKE, WE DON'T GET CELL SERVICE AT OUR LAKE HOUSE VERY WELL. BUT AT AND T WHO OUR PHONE'S WITH SAYS, OH, BUT YOU SWIM, YOU SWITCH OVER TO INTERNET SERVICE WHILE YOU'RE THERE. IT DOESN'T WORK. . IT'S A GREAT THEORY. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE, I GOT STEVE'S CHAIR UP THERE TOO. YOU KNOW, YOU TURN IN HIS, BUT YOU, AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT INTERNET WOULD JUST COVER THAT. IT COVERS THE WHOLE HOUSE. WHY WOULDN'T IT? IF PHONE WORK QUITE OFTEN YOU HAVE TO TURN OFF WIFI CALLING MM-HMM . IF YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CELL SIGNAL TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER. YEAH. BUT IT'S THAT, THAT'S MORE COMPLICATED. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD REASON THAT HELPS US. SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE OFFERED ARE NOT SOLUTIONS. THIS IS A SOLUTION. THIS IS A TRUE SOLUTION. WELL, IT'S INTENDED TO BE SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. 'CAUSE IT MAY NEED TO BE TWEAKED, BUT BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE THINK [01:00:01] WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. GOOD JOB ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS, TODD. YEAH, TODD'S BEEN PRETTY BUSY ON THAT . SO THE NEXT ITEM IS RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC CALMING AND, UH, OH BOY. YEAH. AND I WILL TELL YOU JUST THE, THE, UH, SORT OF THE, UH, THEME OF THIS IS WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING A LOT OF CHANGES FROM CURRENT PRACTICE. MOST OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS DISCLOSURE OF CURRENT PRACTICE, SO THAT THERE'S MORE CERTAINTY WHEN SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS THE PROCESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES BEFORE THEY GET STARTED. UH, BUT I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME REQUESTED CHANGES JUST BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THE REQUEST. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT APPROACH, UH, WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING CHANGES, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FOCUS IN ON THE, UH, REALLY, REALLY THE IMPACT OF SPEED TABLES. IT COULD APPLY TO SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, AND SPEED HUMPS. AND IT'S REALLY MORE PROCESS ORIENTED THAN ANYTHING. UM, SO THE CURRENT APPROACH, AND I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE WHAT WE DO. 'CAUSE SOME OF YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH OUR TRAFFIC CALMING THAN OTHERS, BUT THERE ARE TWO POLICIES. THERE'S ONE FOR WHAT WE CALL TRAFFIC CALMING FOR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR STREETS. AND THAT INCLUDES, BUT WE'LL TALK, WELL, I'LL GET MORE INTO THAT, BUT THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING BUT SPEED HUMPS AND SPEED HUMPS. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE HAD AN EARLIER POLICY, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'LL BRING 'EM IN TOGETHER, UM, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT SPEED HUMPS ARE AND SPEED TABLES ARE. SO THE PURPOSE OF THOSE POLICIES IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC SAFETY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE FOR, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S TO, UH, SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THEY ARE, WHICH HOPEFULLY CAUSES SOMEBODY NOT TO WANNA MAKE IT, TAKE IT AS A CUT THROUGH, TAKE THE STREET AS A CUT THROUGH, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND BECAUSE WE WANT OUR STREETS TO BE SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK, KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL AND THINGS. AND SO THE APPLICATION OF TRAFFIC CALMING AND SPEED HUMPS, IT'S A VOLUNTARY, THAT WHAT WE OFFER HERE IS, UH, WE CAN DO THINGS, YOU HAVE DISCRETION TO DO THINGS, BUT THE PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS VOLUNTARY OPTION PROVIDED TO HOA AND NON HOA NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES ARE TRIGGERED BY EITHER AN HOA ACTION OR A, A MAJORITY INTEREST OF NON HOA NEIGHBORS, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND DEPENDING ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION OF THE CONCERNS, A HYBRID APPROACH COULD BE UTILIZED. SO YOU MAY HAVE AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT, AND THERE'S A STREET AND YOU'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SPEED TABLES OR HUBS OR WHATEVER THE, THE APPLICATION. AND YOU MAY HAVE WHERE THERE'S AN HOA, BUT IT ENDS, SOME OF THE HOMES ARE NOT AN HOA, AND SO IT COULD BE A HYBRID TOO. UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS WHEN THERE'S GENERALLY A, A FORMAL REQUEST, STAFF, STAFF REVIEWS THE REQUEST. WE STUDY THE TRAFFIC DATA, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY. UH, AND WE LIKE TO START WITH, YOU CAN LOOK AT SPEED HUMP SEPARATELY, BUT GENERALLY TIER ONE OR TIER TWO IMPROVEMENTS, TIER ONE, UM, I'LL COVER THOSE. BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY SIGNAGE, STRIPING, ENFORCEMENT, SPEED TRAILER, STUFF LIKE THAT, ALL KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE. WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS, BUT IF WE FEEL LIKE THOSE HAVEN'T WORKED, THEY BEEN TRIED OR THEY DON'T WORK, UH, THEY WON'T WORK, RIGHT? THEN YOU'RE INTO TIER TWO STRUCTURES, MEDIANS, SPEED TABLES, UH, MEDIAN ISLANDS, UH, CURB BULB OUTS, CHICANES, TEXTURE PAVEMENTS, RACE CROSSWALKS. I WON'T GET INTO A LOT OF THOSE BECAUSE AGAIN, MOST OF THE, MOST OF WHAT WE USE ARE SPEED TABLES AND, AND SPEED HUMPS. SO BOTH THE TIER ONE AND TWO PROJECT COSTS ARE PAID, UH, FULLY BY THE CITY IF APPROVED. UH, DUE THE, TO THE BENEFIT SPEED HUMP PROJECTS ARE PAID 60% BY THE PETITIONING NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND IF I MISSED SOMETHING HERE, JUMP IN. UM, AND SO THERE'S, AND, AND I THINK WE, WE TALKED, THE REASON I BELIEVE FOR THAT IS THAT THE HUMPS ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL, SLOWER LOCAL ROADS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S A SMALLER BENEFITING AREA. TYPICALLY. A, UH, THE OTHER TYPE ITEMS GENERALLY ARE MORE FOR COLLECTORS, MORE TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT, IN A BIGGER AREA, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, A LITTLE BIT MORE PUBLIC, UH, BENEFIT. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THE CITY'S PAID FOR THOSE FULLY IN THE PAST. UM, THE USE OF THOSE APPROACHES IS BASED ON, AGAIN, COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ENGINEERING REVIEW FOR NEED AND PROPER APPLICATION. THE TIER TWO OR, OR, UH, CALL, CALL 'EM. UM, PROJECT STRATEGIES ARE GENERALLY USED WHEN THE TIER ONE STRATEGIES AREN'T GONNA BE EFFECTIVE. CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL IS NEEDED FOR ALL THE TIER TWO AND SPEED HUB PROJECTS. UM, CURRENT POLICIES ADDRESS THE, UH, FIXED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TIER TWO STUFF. UH, THE SPACING OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, NEIGHBORHOOD VOTING, GEOGRAPHY, WHO'S VOTING, WHO'S NOT PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, IF WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT USUALLY AN ISSUE, BUT IF, IF MONEY'S TOUGH, WE HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS. WE FIGURE OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, UH, IMPROVEMENT, COST DISTRIBUTION, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PETITIONING PROCESS. AND, AND SO THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT. UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS ABLY INVOLVED ENGINEERING BASED ON HOW OUR STAFFING'S GONNA BE SET UP. WE'LL BE INVOLVED AS WELL IN THE FUTURE WORKING TOGETHER. UH, TIER TWO AND SPEED HUMP PROJECTS REQUIRE TWO THIRDS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE FROM HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE AFFECTED AREA. THE AFFECTED AREA RIGHT NOW IS A THOUSAND FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE AFFECTED STREET. SO IT'S PEOPLE ALONG THE STREET, NOT SIDE STREETS. AND WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT, UM, THE SEPARATE VOTING BLOCKS ARE APPLIED TO EACH IMPROVEMENT. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS LET'S PRETEND THAT YOU'RE [01:05:01] IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU HAVE A COLLECTOR STREET SAY, AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION IN SPACING AND EVERYTHING FOR THREE SPEED, WHATEVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. SO PEOPLE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF EACH OF THOSE ARE GONNA VOTE. THE WAY WE'VE APPLIED THIS HISTORICALLY IS EACH PROJECT AREA, AND EVERYONE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THAT STREET OF EACH PROJECT AREA HAS TO CARRY THE TWO THIRDS. IT'S NOT THE TWO THIRDS OF, SO EVERYBODY, SO YOU MIGHT GET ONE, RIGHT, TWO OR THREE SPEED HUMPS DEPENDING ON THE BOAT. AND MISS AND LANE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST STREET THAT WE HAD THEM. AND THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL WHO NOBODY WAS SPEEDING BY THE TIME THEY GOT THERE, NONE OF THEM WERE IN FAVOR OF IT. SO THERE ARE NONE AT THE TOP, BUT YOU GET TO THE LOWER TWO THIRDS OR LOWER HALF, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE SPEED HUMP ARE BECAUSE THAT'S, THOSE WERE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE, THAT PROBABLY SUFFICED FOR WHAT THAT DID. YES. IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOES, IT DOES SLOW PEOPLE DOWN THROUGH THERE. YEAH. DIRECTION. SMITH. SMITH, YEAH. GENERALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE ONE, UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T LIKE ONE BECAUSE THEY WANT TWO OR MORE. TYPICALLY, I CAN'T SAY THERE'S NOT AN EXCEPTION THAT, THAT THEY MIGHT LOOK AT, BUT GENERALLY TWO OR MORE. AND SO YEAH, DEPENDING ON THE VOTE, RIGHT? IF THE VOTE DOESN'T CARRY FOR ONE AND IT CARRIES FOR THE OTHER TWO, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SAY, DO THESE MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM . RIGHT? IF THEY DO, WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH TWO. OR IF THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR AND IT WAS THREE OR WHATEVER, GENERALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE JUST ONE BECAUSE IT SORT OF STANDS ALONE AND, AND THERE'S A FEELING IT, IT'S NOT AS EFFECTIVE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HISTORICALLY HOW IT'S BEEN. THE CURRENT VOTING WINDOW, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, PETITIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS IS 30 DAYS, UH, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF A 30 DAY EXTENSION. AND I SAY, THE POSSIBILITY DOESN'T SAY YOU GET ONE OR NOT. IT JUST SAYS WE COULD DO THAT. UM, SO WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING THE CHANGES? THE, UM, THE THESE, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AROSE FROM THE RECENT BELL REVE NEIGHBORHOOD PETITION THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T PASS. AND, UH, WE SPOKE TO SOME, SOME FOLKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROCESS. SO WE SAID, OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IT'S GOOD, GOOD FOR ME. AND I GET TO PUT MY EYES CLOSER ON IT TOO. UH, THOSE QUESTIONS HIGHLIGHTED THE NEED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO DOCUMENT CERTAIN PRACTICES MORE IN THE POLICY VERSUS PRACTICE. THERE'S A COUPLE INCONSISTENCIES TOO, WE FELT WE NEEDED TO CLEAR UP AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE POLICY. SO THAT CREATES A LITTLE MORE PROCESS CERTAINTY FOR FOLKS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE. THEY HAD REQUESTED SOME POLICY CHANGES AND AS I GO THROUGH, I'LL HIT THOSE BECAUSE I TOLD 'EM I WOULD DO THAT. 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AT LEAST AWARE OF WHY THEY WERE COMING TO US. UM, SO AGAIN, OUR MAIN FOCUS IS REALLY ON SPEED HUMPS AND TIER TWO STRATEGIES. AND REALLY IT'S THE SPEED TABLES. THAT'S WHAT WE MOSTLY USE. UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA CONSOLIDATE THE, THE TIER TWO, TIER ONE AND TWO ALONG WITH THE, UH, HUMP, UH, SPEED HUMP POLICIES. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS WE'RE EMPHASIZING. SO THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES, YOU'LL SEE, AND I, I THINK YOU'VE HAD THAT SENT TO YOU THE, UH, MARKUP VERSION OF THE POLICY. AND THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE STUFF AND WORD ORGANIZATIONAL STUFF THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING. UM, SO TO DETERMINE THE INITIAL NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST TO INITIATE A STUDY WHEN NO HOA EXISTS, WE DIDN'T HAVE CLARIFICATION IN THERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT AN HOA. SO WE SAID, OKAY, JUST TO START IT OFF, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST 50% SU UH, SUPPORT FROM KIND OF A GENERAL AREA. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE PIECES COULD BE, BUT JUST TO GET THE CONVERSATION GOING. UM, AND SO WE INCLUDED LANGUAGE FOR THAT. UM, FOR THE TIER TWO PROJECTS, WHICH AGAIN ARE THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE DID WANT TO CLARIFY THE VOTING AREAS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET THAT ARE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENT AND IS TO OCCUR ONLY ALONG THE AFFECTED STREET. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE INTERSECTING STREETS. NOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I COULD JUSTIFY AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE ON AN INTERSECTING STREET, WHY SHOULDN'T YOU GET TO VOTE? YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE ON IT. RIGHT? THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF HOW FAR AWAY, WHERE'S THE LINE? I I, IF WE, IF WE HAD AN ARBITRARY DISTANCE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, TWO BLOCKS OR FOUR, 800 FEET OR SOMETHING, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A SUBDIVISION, DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS TO IT THAT ALL OF THEM USED THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO DO. UM, AND WE FELT LIKE IT COULD SKEW THE VOTING TOO, BECAUSE I MAY SAY I DON'T LIKE TO DRIVE, UH, ON THOSE AND I'M ON A SIDE STREET. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, SO I MIGHT VOTE AGAINST IT, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE I DON'T SUFFER FROM SPEEDING THAT THE STREET THAT NEEDS SOME IS SUFFERING. SO IT COULD AFFECT THE VOTING. SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME REASONS. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS WE WANNA BE CLEAR IN THE POLICY THAT WE'RE AFFIRMING THE CURRENT APPROACH. NOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA CHANGE, IT'S OKAY TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. BUT THE DRAFT AFFIRMS THE CURRENT APPROACH AND MAKES SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. AND THEN, AND THEN IT DELETES THE STAFF DISCRETION TO DESIGNATE LARGER AREAS THAT, AND WHEN I SAY I PUT THAT, THAT'S AN INCONSISTENT PROCESS. THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST ONE TIME THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE DID VARY, UH, OFF OF THE MAIN STREET. NOW, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A GOOD REASON, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE THINK FOR CLARITY, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PREDICT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE AREA THAT'S AFFECTED, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR. SO, SO WE SAID WE DON'T NEED THAT DISCRETION, WE JUST KEEP IT ON THE MAIN STREET. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT CLARIFIES THAT THE PETITION RESULTS ARE CONSIDERED SEPARATE FOR EACH PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT. AGAIN, DEPENDING. SO THAT MEANS IF IT'S FOR THREE, RIGHT, ALL THREE NEED TO GET THE TWO THIRDS VOTE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT. IF [01:10:01] ONE OF 'EM DOESN'T, IT MAY DEPEND WHERE IT'S SITUATION SITUATED AND IT MAY GO BACK TO AN ENGINEERING TYPE REVIEW TO SAY, DOES THIS STILL MAKE SENSE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT? BUT YOU STILL MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, UNLESS IT RESULTS IN ONE. AND RIGHT NOW, UNLESS IT REALLY FITS, WE REALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ONE. BUT, BUT, UH, SO, SO IT MEANS EACH ONE CARRIES AROUND, HAS TO CARRY AROUND THAT IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST AFFECTED AREA. AGAIN, SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY CHANGES, BUT, UH, WE'RE AFFIRMING THE CURRENT PRACTICE THERE, UM, CLARIFIES A MINIMUM OF TWO SPEED TABLES, AS I MENTIONED, TO INITIATE A PROJECT CLARIFY SEPARATION OF MULTIPLE SPEED TABLES IS FROM 300 TO 600 FEET. IT'S IT ON SPEED HUMPS, IT'S OVER HERE. IT'S JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT. UH, AGAIN, SO US IN OUR EXAMPLE OF THREE, IF ONLY ONE SECTOR VOTED, IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED, MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT. AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE GENERAL STANDARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN, IN THAT NEED TO, YEAH. AND I CAN'T SAY THERE WOULDN'T BE AN EXCEPTION WHERE WE WOULD SAY, GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT. BUT GENERALLY WE WOULD SAY IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE THAT AND IT'S BECAUSE OF HOW THEY INTERACT TOGETHER. MM-HMM . SO JASON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SECTION IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT WHO VOTES AND WHO DOESN'T VOTE. AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPORTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE YOU TO PASS. I THINK WE SAID 50, 50% AT THIS PHASE FOR THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENT. IT'S TWO THIRDS WITH, WITH CARRIE. BUT, BUT, UM, TO INITIATE THE STUDY, IT'S 50%. AND, AND SO JUST, OR JUST THE HOA RIGHT? OR JUST THE H HO A. JUST THE HOA. YEAH. BUT WITH, WITH, FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING, JUST FOR INSTANCE, ON THE 50%, IS THAT 50% POS OR IS THAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM 50% OF THE ADDRESSES? OR IS THAT, UH, A, AN AGREEMENT? ONE PER PARCEL. ONE. ONE. SO ONE VOTE PER PARCEL. YEAH. HUSBAND, WIFE GOTTA RECONCILE THEIR DESIRE FOR A SPEED HUMP. THERE YOU GO. YES. SO, YES. SO I WAS LIKE, I WONDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOR THIS PURPOSE? , YOU KNOW, DINNER TABLE CONVERSATION. IS IT ONE, TWO, OR SIX? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO, UM, SO IT IS ONE PER PARCEL. YES. YEAH. UM, IT ADDS THAT THE PETITION SHALL BE MAILED OUT BY THE CITY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER RECEIVED AND TABULATED BY THE CITY. THERE IS A CHANGE HERE. CURRENTLY. WE PROVIDE THE ADDRESSING INFORMATION TO THE HOA, THE HOA MAILS IT OUT. UH, AND THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL PETITIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE ADDRESSES. AND THEN THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE ADDRESSES PRESUMABLY FILL IT OUT OR NOT. BUT IF THEY DO, THEN IT COMES BACK TO US AND WE TABULATE. SO WE ALREADY TABULATE THE CHANGE HERE WOULD BE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND JUST MAIL IT OUT. WE FIGURED WE'RE ALREADY DOING MOST OF THE WORK. IT PROBABLY MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT TO DO THAT. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT MATTERS EITHER WAY, BUT THAT'S, WE ALSO DO THAT A LOT MORE THAN AN HOA AND SO IT WOULD BE MORE UNIFORM EACH TIME. MM-HMM . AND IT WOULD GO TO THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT ADDRESSES. SO, YEP. THIS SAVES OA COST OF MAILING TOO. YEAH, NOT MUCH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EXPENSIVE. SO LETTER I HAVE, I, I HAVE A ASTERISK REMINDER HERE. SO THIS IS ONE, ONE OF THE REQUESTS TO US FROM THE, FROM THE COUPLE OF FOLKS FROM THE BELL RE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU THINK OF A STANDARD MUNICIPAL PETITION, SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE YOUR, YOUR ORDINANCE THROUGH AN INITIATIVE PROCESS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE A PETITION, THEY'LL GET THAT PETITION AND ALL RATIFIED UP AND THEN THEY'LL GO DOOR TO DOOR WITH IT. THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR WITH THE PETITION. WE BELIEVE THE CURRENT PRACTICE MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WANT TO, TO SEND IT, SEND SOME INFORMATION IF THEY WANT TO, TO PROMOTE IT, OR IF THEY WANNA OPPOSE IT, THEY CAN SEND INFORMATION TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY COULD GO TO DOOR TO DOOR AND KNOCK UNTIL SOMEONE SAYS, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. THEY COULD WORK THROUGH THE HOA, THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A BETTER PROCESS, UH, TO DO THE PETITION WHERE IT GOES TO THE, THE RESIDENT AND THE RESIDENT SENDS IT BACK, RATHER THAN TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS SCORE DOOR TO DOOR AND POSSIBLY TRY TO PROMOTE OR OPPOSE IN THAT PROCESS IN THE PETITIONING PROCESS. MM-HMM . MAY I ADD A CLARIFICATION? SURE. YEAH. THAT'S ON THE TWO THIRDS, THE YES TO FORMAL, OFFICIAL VOTE. THE FIRST ONE, IF IT'S A NON HOA COMMUNITY, THEY CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR AND WE JUST WANT TO SEE THAT WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA, THEY'VE GOT GENERALLY 50 POUND SUPPORT OR SO, AND THEY CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR. BUT ON THE FORMAL ONE, WE WANT THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER THAT PROCESS. RIGHT? HOW, HOW DO YOU ASSURE THAT IT'S COMING FROM THE PARTIAL? LET'S JUST STOP SOMEBODY FROM COPYING IT AND WRITE DOWN. SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. GOOD QUESTION. WE, WE RECENTLY HAD, AND THIS IS KIND OF A TANGENT, BUT WE HAD A, A FOIA REQUEST COME IN FOR THE BELL RIE BALLOTS. OKAY? WE, WE'VE ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T DIVULGE WHO VOTED HOW, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE ABILITY TO PUT IN A FOIA REQUEST MM-HMM . BECAUSE THAT IS A PUBLIC RECORD MM-HMM . AND WE HAVE TO SEND THAT TO THEM. SO THEY'LL SEE WHO VOTED HOW OR WHO DIDN'T VOTE, BECAUSE IT'S TABULATED THAT WAY. IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE'VE TALKED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE CAN DEVELOP A PROCESS WHERE WE DIRECT MAIL AND INSIDE EACH ENVELOPE WILL BE A, UM, A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER, A CODE. OKAY. THAT, UH, [01:15:01] YOU'LL KNOW IF THAT CODE IS CORRECT. 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE RANDOMIZED. SO IT'S A LEGITIMATE VOTE, BUT YOU WON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH HOUSE IT CAME FROM. YOU'LL ONLY KNOW WHICH SECTION IT CAME FROM. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LET'S SAY THREE SPEED HUMPS, IT'S FROM THE GROUP ONE, THE GROUP TWO, OR THE GROUP THREE, BUT YOU WON'T KNOW WHO IT IS. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK AROUND THAT FOIA REQUEST THING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE THE SECRET BALLOT VOTE. THAT IS THE LYNCHPIN OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. EXACTLY. YEAH. AND WE, WE DO ASSUME THAT YOU COULD HAVE PRETTY STRONG FEELINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF ONE OF THESE IN NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? WHICH KIND OF GOES BACK TO THIS. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA KEEP THE PROCESS FOR THE MOST PART THE SAME, BUT JUST FEELS MORE EFFICIENT IF WE JUST SEND OUT THE PETITIONS. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID I WOULD SUGGEST IS, IS, UH, THE, INSTEAD OF A 30 DAY PETITION TIME, GO TO A 45 DAY KIND OF GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER OR THEIR GROUP TOGETHER AND GO AND PROMOTE IT OR OPPOSE IT, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE DIFFERENCE TO US. SO THAT SORT OF OFFSETS THAT REQUEST TO KEEP THE PROCESS AND GIVE 'EM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DO THAT. ANOTHER PART IS THAT THE, THE NON RESPONSES, SO PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO FILL IT OUT ARE CONSIDERED NO VOTES. AND, AND, AND THEIR REQUEST WAS IS, WELL, WELL, WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU ONLY COUNT VOTES OF THE RESPONDENTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THAT CAN ALLOW FROM SOME SORT OF, UH, MANIPULATION OF IT. SO IF WE, IF THERE, LET'S SAY, LET'S PRETEND AND SAY IN A, IN A PROJECT AREA, THERE MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, 30 OR 30, 30 VOTES. UH, AND, UH, AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 16 BECAUSE I'M SORRY, TWO THIRDS OF THAT. SO WHATEVER, TWO THIRDS OF 30 IS, SO 2020, I GUESS IT'D BE 20. UM, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 20. AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS, IS IF YOU ONLY GET 10 RESPONDENTS, YOU THINK, WELL, WHY WOULD WE JUST GET 10 RESPONDENTS WHO, WHO'S DOING WHAT HERE? UM, THAT BECOMES A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE, AND YOU CAN TELL ME, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT A SIGNIFICANT HIGH MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OKAY WITH IT. THE WHOLE POINT IS TO GET TO OKAY. BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT? AND SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S A, A NO VOTE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MAJORITY IN THAT AREA THAT'S VOTING, PERIOD. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT DOESN'T ALLOW AS MUCH OF THE MANIPULATION OF THOSE. SO IF THEY HAD RECEIVED SEVEN OUT OF 10 POSITIVE VOTES, BUT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO 30 RESIDENTS, YEAH. A SMALL GROUP CAN CHANGE THE OUTCOME. BUT UNDER THIS, THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE 23 NO VOTES. YEAH. SO, YEP. AND NONE OF US WANNA BE SITTING HERE. YEAH. 10 PEOPLE PUSH THIS THROUGH AND THE OTHER TWIN DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING UNTIL IT GETS BUILT. RIGHT. AND THEN THE RUIN HERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CATCH IT. AND THAT'S A CONCERN. WHATEVER COULD, COULD ALLOW FOR MANIPULATION. IS THERE A TIMEFRAME? SO IF ONE HOA, LIKE SOMERSET, WHEN THEY CAME, AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT SPEED HOMES, BUT SIDEWALKS THEY WANTED OR THEY WANTED SIDEWALKS. IS THERE A TIMEFRAME WHERE IF ONE HOA, IT DOESN'T PASS, BUT THEY, LIKE HOW MANY TIMES CAN THEY KEEP COMING BACK AND SAYING, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE NEXT PAGE. YEAH. BUT, BUT I DO WANNA GO BACK. YEAH. WE HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE. LITERALLY, I BELIEVE. OH, , THAT'S GOOD. GOOD FORESIGHT. BUT I DO WANNA GO BACK, 'CAUSE I MISSED ONE OF MY, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE PETITION RESULTS ARE CONSIDERED SEPARATE FOR EACH PROPOSED, UH, IMPROVEMENT. THE, THE BELL RIE FOLKS, KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF OF, OF LOOKING AT THE TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE AREA, NOT, NOT THE VOTES FOR EACH SEGMENT AROUND EACH IMPROVEMENT. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT COULD HURT YOU OR IT COULD HELP YOU MM-HMM . RIGHT? THERE'S NO WAY TO PREDICT THAT. AND SO, SO I, I DON'T SEE, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A REASON WE'D WANNA CHANGE IT. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. I JUST DON'T THINK SO. BUT I DID WANNA BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN. 'CAUSE I TOLD 'EM I WOULD BE, UH, CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. AND, AND THEY ALREADY KNEW WHERE I WOULD BE. AND I TOLD 'EM TOO, IT'S OKAY TO SEND YOU SOMETHING IF THEY WANT TO. I JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD BE, I'D DISCLOSE THOSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND DISCLOSE THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. UH, HERE YOU GO. GET YOUR WHOLE PAGE ON THIS ONE. IT CLARIFIES THAT FOR A FAILED PETITION, ANOTHER PETITION CANNOT BE ATTEMPTED FOR ONE YEAR AND NO MORE THAN TWO PETITIONS CAN BE ATTEMPTED IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. NOW, THE ONE YEAR IS A CURRENT PRACTICE, NOT IN OUR POLICY. WE WANNA PUT THAT IN THE POLICY. 12 MONTHS IN BETWEEN THE, UH, SUGGESTION OF NOT MORE THAN TWO AND FIVE YEARS IS, WOULD BE A NEW, UH, CHANGE. I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. IF YOU WANT TO OR DON'T. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO US. WE JUST FELT LIKE IT, IT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU DON'T JUST KEEP GOING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY COULD BRING IT BACK THE NEXT YEAR WHILE IT WAS STILL FRONT OF MIND. IT'S JUST AT THAT POINT THEY COULDN'T BRING IT BACK FOR THREE MORE YEARS. YES. THAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT. THREE OR FOUR OR THREE, WELL, DEPENDING ON THE DATE WHEN YOU BUY BACK. SO THREE OR FOUR MORE YEARS. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. UM, JASON, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? SURE. SO IT SEEMS THAT, UM, A THOUSAND FEET IS A LARGE AREA. I MEAN, IT'S TWO TENTHS OF A MILE. SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE, I MEAN, WE THINK IT, I [01:20:01] MEAN THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS PEOPLE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, BUT REALLY SOMEONE THAT IS A THOUSAND FEET FROM THAT LESS FEET HUMP YEAH. MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. MAYBE THERE'S A STOP SIGN RIGHT BEFORE THEIR HOUSE OR A CURVE OR WHATEVER. SO IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO SIMILAR TO NOT ALLOWING THE SIDE STREETS WHO ARE NOT AS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THOSE, I MEAN, I, I, I GET IT. YEAH. I'M ALMOST IN FAVOR OF SHORTENING THAT DISTANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IS, BUT WELL, I WANNA SEE WHAT THE BACK HISTORY IS ON THAT. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO RIGHT. CUT IT OFF SOMEWHERE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON THERE. SURE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE REASONING JI MEAN, IT WAS THOUSAND FEET FROM THE FIRST PUT HIM ON THE SPOT. WELL, IT BE ESTABLISH 50,000 FEET PREDATES ME, SO I'M SORRY. IT, IT PREDATES ME. BUT THAT, I MEAN, IT WAS FOR THE FIRST SPEED HUMPS, THEY, THERE WAS A THOUSAND FEET BACK THEN. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. UM, BUT IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE LIKE BELL RE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THE HOUSES ARE A LITTLE MORE, WELL, TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE WHEN THE THOUSAND FEET, IT WAS MORE THAN ONE ACRE HOUSING. WHERE NOW WE NO, BECAUSE IT WAS IN AN OSRD. OSRD. YEAH. 'CAUSE MOST OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE OSRD. YEAH. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE HOUSES ARE CLOSER AND RIGHT. IT'S, BUT, BUT YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. YEAH. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT, AND, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE FROM LISTENING TO PEOPLE IN BEL REVE, I MEAN, NOT DIRECTLY APPROACH, BUT BEING PART OF CONVERSATIONS THAT A THOUSAND FEET'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THE SAFETY OF, OF SIDEWALKS. YEAH. IT COULD HAVE THIS, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT COULD HAVE THE SAME EFFECT AS THE SIDE STREET PHENOMENON WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH SAYS, YEAH, I DRIVE THEM, BUT I DON'T HAVE, MAY MAY NOT HAVE THE SPEEDING 'CAUSE MAYBE I'M CLOSER TO INTERSECTION. MAYBE THERE'S A STOP SIGN. UH, I DON'T LIVE TOO FAR OFF OF CHARITY. AND WE WE'RE A COUPLE HOUSES UP. THERE'S A STOP SIGN THERE ON CHARITY. UH, NOW AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THERE'S A SPEED HUMP, UH, OR A SPEED TABLE I SHOULD SAY. UH, AND SO THAT PHENOMENON WOULD BE THERE. I COULD SEE THAT POTENTIALLY. YEAH. PART OF IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DISTANCE SHOULD BE. 'CAUSE THERE'S A PROBABLY A BIT OF ARBITRARINESS TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PERFECT SCIENCE. NO, THAT'S AN ENGINEERING OR A, OR A SPEED, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICE SPEED KIND THING. BUT I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THAT BEFORE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES OR CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE CONSIDER THAT DISTANCE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND ANYTHING PRESCRIBES ANYWHERE IN THE, THE, SO THE, THE WHAT YOU MENTIONED, THE STOP SIGN WAS KIND OF A, POTENTIALLY A KEY DELINEATOR BECAUSE AT THAT, IN THAT SITUATION, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DELINEATING AWAY FROM THE SIDE STREETS, THEY, THEY HAVE THE SIMILAR, SIMILAR APPROACH. SO THEY COME TO A COMPLETE STOP BEFORE. SO ONE THING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IS A THOUSAND FEET UNINTERRUPTED OR TO THE NEAREST STOP. MM-HMM . OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS THOUGH. IF THERE IS A STOP SIGN 800 FEET AWAY, UH, WOULD WE EVEN HAVE SELECTED THAT WITH ENGINEERING REVIEW HAVE PASSED THAT LOCATION AS BEING A POTENTIAL SPEED HUMP LOCATION? THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE OTHER THING. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, AND THE, AND THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE IS 600 BY FHWA FOR SPACING MINIMUM IS THREE. SO YOU COULD TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WITH HOW MUCH SPACE, IF IT'S A THOUSAND FEET TO A STOP SIGN OR 800 FEET, YOU MAY STOP IT AT 600 AND LEAVE THE EXTRA TWO. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS ENGINEERING REVIEW MAY FILTER FOR THAT. IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE ANOTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE, UM, RESERVE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE RUN THE STOP SIGNS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING, NOT, NOT RIGHT AT THE STOP, BUT EVEN BEFORE TO SLOW 'EM DOWN BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN FOR THE STOP SIGN. SO THEY, YOU KNOW, SO HAVING THE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SPEED HOME 300 OR 600 FEET AWAY MAY BE HELPFUL TO THEM. THEY LIKE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE IF PEOPLE ARE IGNORING THE STOP SIGN AS TRAFFIC COMING MEASURE. UM, HOWEVER, THAT, I THINK THAT'S AN ENGINEERING REVIEW THING, RIGHT. THAT FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, YOU COULDN'T HAVE THE TWO CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH. YEAH. I DON'T WHAT, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, BUT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THAT REQUEST TO US AND GET US TO REVIEW IT. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT SPEED TABLES HAVE BEEN BETTER THERE. YEAH. I I WOULD SAY TOO, THAT IF THE STOP SIGN'S THERE, IT MEANS IT SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH A REVIEW OF THE MANUAL AND UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES FOR THE WARRANTS FOR A STOP SIGN. AND SO ASSUMING THAT'S ALL BEEN DONE PROPERLY AND THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE USING THOSE ENGINEERING METHODS, THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR A GOOD PLACE FOR A STOP SIGN. WHICH SHOULD MEAN MOST PEOPLE ARE STOPPING. BUT YOU MAY HAVE A FEW THAT DECIDE NOT TO, WHICH TAKES YOU INTO AN ENFORCEMENT SITE TOO. RIGHT. I I JUST GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY FROM BEL REVE AND THEY SAID THEY STOOD OUT THERE AND WATCHED SIX CARS BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN AND THEY'VE CALLED AND WHERE'S THAT BELL RE IT WAS ON BELL REVE. OKAY. MM-HMM. ON, UM, THE BACK OF THE, NOT THE FOUR-WAY STOP, BUT THE TH THE THREE-WAY STOP ON, IS IT TURTLE? TURTLE? YEAH. IT TUR TURTLE RIGHT IN THAT AREA. IT'S A SEC. IT'S A SECOND STOP. I WAS GONNA SECOND PROBLEM. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE NEED TO, HE SAID HE CALLED AND WAS TOLD THAT IT'S FINE [01:25:01] , BUT I DON'T KNOW. I'LL FORWARD YOU THE EMAIL. I JUST HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE. WE TYPICALLY DO DIRECTED ENFORCEMENT WHEN PEOPLE CALL A COMPLAINT. IT MAY BE DOWN THE LIST 'CAUSE WE GET A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS, BUT WE'LL TYPICALLY GET OUT THERE AND TRY AND ENFORCE. YEAH. SO BACK TO THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, UM, ONE SINCE THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LONG TO ME, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SAY SHORTEN IT TO THREE, BUT I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S ONE YEAR, BUT FOUR AND FIVE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A NUMBER THAT YOU KIND OF GRAB BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE AND WE DON'T HAVE A HARD FEELING ON THAT REALLY. UM, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO ELIMINATE THAT AND JUST SAY YOU CAN HAVE ONE EVERY OTHER YEAR BASICALLY, THAT'S FINE TOO. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF AN INTENT TO SAY LET'S NOT, UH, PUT TOO MUCH PAIN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD , BUT YEAH. IT SEEMS TIME TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS A BREAK. YEAH. A LITTLE BIT. AND SO THERE'S, THAT'S NOT A PERFECT NUMBER BY ANY MEANS. SO WE COULD, I WAS THINKING FOR JUST BECAUSE HOA, UM, BOARDS USUALLY TURN OVER EVERY TWO YEAR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I WAS THINKING FOR EACH, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S OUR STEP. SO WE COULD MAKE IT LIKE YOU, ONCE YOU DO IT, YOU HAVE TO LIKE TWO YEARS BETWEEN JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE. LIKE YOU CAN'T BRING IT UP AGAIN FOR TWO YEARS. YEAH. SO LITERALLY IF THEY WANTED TO BRING IT UP FIVE TIMES IN 10 YEARS, THEY COULD. YEAH. BUT THAT AT LEAST WOULD GIVE, UM, YEAH. A BREAK BETWEEN MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE YOU SAID, HOAS CHANGE OVER AND ALL THAT. SO THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT, THE POSTERS LOVE, LOVE THE GAP, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THE ONES WHO WANNA SEE IT, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO GO AND START IT AGAIN RIGHT AFTER THEY FAILED THE EXACTLY. WHILE IT'S A FRONT OF MIND FOR EVERYBODY. BUT, BUT I THINK, I THINK ALSO WHEN THEY DO THAT AND IT FAILED THE FIRST TIME AND THEY IMMEDIATELY GO BACK, I DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY SERVES THEIR PURPOSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK THEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, LOOK, I WAS FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT IT PA IT FAILED. NOW YOU'RE WEARING ME OUT. AND SO YEAH, THERE, THIS GOES BACK TO COUNTING THE VOTES. IF THERE ARE TWO VOTES OFF, CAN THEY CONVINCE THE TWO VOTES, FLIP THOSE TWO PEOPLE TO DO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES, ISSUES AS YOU CAN IMAGINE TO THE WHOLE THING. MM-HMM . LET, LET ME ASK THIS THEN. IF, IS THERE, SO BRING, BRING THOSE TWO UP. DO YOU, IS THERE A PREFERENCE ON, ON, UH, WAITING A YEAR OR, OR REDUCING THE FIVE DOWN TO FOUR, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US. WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. I, I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST MAKING IT. THEY, THEY CAN'T COME WITHIN THE LIKE EVERY OTHER YEAR KIND OF THING, EVERY TWO YEAR. I DON'T EXACTLY HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY. TO SAY THAT BETWEEN THE END OF ONE AND THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT ONE. A YEAR GAP. YEAH. KEEPING THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S OTHER THOUGHTS. A YEAR OR TWO YEAR, KIM? I WOULD, I WOULD SAY TWO. YEAH. TWO. YEAH. TWO WOULD BE, I THINK YOU GET 'EM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER THEN PEOPLE WOULD KIND GET WEARY AND THEN, BUT NOT HAVE THE FIVE YEAR DEAL. YEAH. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY LITERALLY YEAR ONE THEY PRESENTED YEAR THREE, THEY PRESENTED YEAR FIVE, THEY PRESENTED TECHNICALLY THEY GOT THREE IN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. YEAH. YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE UPPER. YOU WOULD NEED UPPER. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT ALLOWS FOR HOME WITH THE TWO YEARS IN BETWEEN. IT ALLOWS FOR HOME OWNERSHIP CHANGE ALSO, WHICH MIGHT, RIGHT. YES. IT MAY BE NEW PEOPLE MOVED IN. THAT WOULD BE BETTER. YEAH. I, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE SPEED HUMP SPEED CUSHION, SPEED TABLE DEBATE, UM, ARE WHAT I CALL ROAD ALERT STRIPS. ARE THERE ARE THOSE, EVEN IN THIS CONVERSATION, THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT USED, ESPECIALLY THE, IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A RURAL ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE OF THE NOISE THAT THEY GENERATE, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND IT WILL ABSOLUTELY HATE IT. AND YOU GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. THEY'RE CALLED RUMBLE STRIPS. RUMBLE STRIPS, YEAH. YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT USED IN A MORE SUBURBAN OR URBAN SETTING. IT'S MORE RURAL SETTINGS WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP TO A STOP SIGN, MAYBE AFTER A LONG STRETCH. MM-HMM . YOU NEED TO GET THE DRIVER'S ATTENTION. THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE SLEEPY OR WHATEVER, BUT IN A MORE SUBURBAN SETTING, THEY MAKE ENOUGH NOISE THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO IS RUNNING A STOP SIGN? YEAH. MM-HMM . SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WAY ONE AGAINST THE OTHER. AND IT IS LIKE IF THERE'S A STOP SIGN AND GENERALLY THOSE, THESE STOP SIGNS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE BEING RUN SIX TIMES, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL OR IS THERE A IT'S IN THE SPACE COMING UP TO IT. IT'S ON THE MAIN, THE MAIN DRAG. IS THAT IN GREEN HILL? UH, UM, MAYBE IT'S OFF ONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT I WAS THERE AND I SAW IT. IT'S BY ONE OF THE POOLS. OKAY. AND THEY, THEY TEND TO RUN THAT 'CAUSE IT'S DOWNHILL, THE POOL, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM, THEY JUST DON'T WANNA STOP SOUTH. THERE'S A PULL OUT THAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE AND YEAH. YEAH. I, I CAN TELL YOU I TRY NOT TO RUN STOP SIGNS, BUT YOU SHOULD APPRECIATE . BUT IF I DID, THE NOISE ISN'T GONNA BOTHER ME. RIGHT. I'LL, I'M JUST GOING RIGHT THROUGH IT. THE FASTER YOU GO, THE LESS NOISE IT IS IN THE CAR. . WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, KEN, I DO THINK, I DON'T WANT, I DISTRACTED WITH THE STOP SIGNS, BUT I DO THINK, UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IF A STOP SIGN IS, IS PROPERLY PLACED, THE [01:30:01] FIRST THING IS TO COME BACK AND WE LEARN ABOUT THE, A FORCE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET, GET MORE, UH, COMPLIANCE THERE. IF WE CAN'T, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ASK OURSELVES IS THE STOP SIGN PROPERLY? UH, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PLACED AND, AND USUALLY, USUALLY I DON'T, I'D LEFT TO LOOK AT OUR ENGINEERING FOLKS, BUT I I, MY EXPERIENCE IS USUALLY YOU WOULDN'T TRY TO PUT A, LIKE A SPEED HUMP RIGHT NEXT TO A STOP SIGN BECAUSE YOUR MOTIVATION FOR THE STOP SIGN IS THE PROBLEM. AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DOLLARS ON EVERY STOP SIGN IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL. SO, SO ENFORCEMENT'S REALLY WHERE YOU WANT TO TRY TO GO IF YOU CAN, ON THOSE STOP SIGNS, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE PROPERLY PLACED. AND THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG KEY. IS THERE NOT, EXCUSE ME? IS THERE AN OPTION FOR THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL VISUAL HELP ON THE STOP SIGN OF FLASHING AS YOU APPROACH THAT SORT OF THING. IT, WELL, YOU KNOW, GOOD QUESTION. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, TREES GROWING IN FRONT OF THEM AND ALL THAT. UH, AND, AND I THINK, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT DALE ON OUR STOP SIGNS. I THINK THEY'RE ALL REFLECTIVE, AREN'T THEY? CORRECT. FOR NIGHT. SO IF THEY WEREN'T REFLECTIVE, YOU'D WANT 'EM TO BE REFLECTIVE AT NIGHT. A LOT OF 'EM, I DON'T KNOW IF OURS DO HAVE THE REFLECTOR ON EVEN ON THE POLE, WHICH I LIKE. WELL YOU CAN SEE THOSE UH, FAR AWAY. YEAH. BUT IF, YEAH, IF WE THOUGHT WE HAD SOME KIND OF A CONCERN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE SEEN. UH, BUT AGAIN, IF I CAN SEE IT JUST FINE, YOU PUT LIGHTS ON IT, I'M GONNA, MY MOTIVATION IS TO RUN IT. I THINK I NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH SOME, SOME, SOME RED LIGHTS BEHIND ME TELLING ME I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO IT AND COST MY INSURANCE A LITTLE. WE'LL GET YOU SOME COUNSELING. YEAH. YEAH. PROBABLY. SO I THINK THE COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINT IS, IT IS NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT SEEING 'EM, THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO STOP AND THAT, AND YOU CAN PUT THAT'S RIGHT CHRISTMAS TREES AROUND IT AND THAT AIN'T GONNA STOP 'EM IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO STOP. SO YESTERDAY, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. IT'S BEHAVIOR. MM-HMM . JUST YESTERDAY ON GRAINY WHITE, THE THE LIGHTS WERE FLASHING. TWO GIRLS WERE TRYING TO CROSS AND CARS WERE JUST, AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH. PEOPLE JUST, YEAH. EDUCATION AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWERS, IF I MAY, IF WE GO TO THE TWO YEAR GAP BETWEEN VOTES, UH, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY VESTING OR WHEN THAT STARTS. BECAUSE I THINK BELL REEB IS ANTICIPATING ON DAY 366, THEY GET TO DO ANOTHER ONE. UH, VERSUS WE, THIS WOULD BE PUSHING IT OUT TWO YEARS. UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF, I WOULD SAY WE COULD GRANDFATHER IN IF IT, THEY, IF THEY DID THE INITIAL ONE UNDER THE OLD RULES, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD ONLY BE FAIR THAT THEY STAYED UNDER THE, SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY HAD IT STAYED UNDER THE OLD RULES. BUT GOING FORWARD, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT TWO, TWO YEARS FROM ANY NEW VOTE, YEAH. THAT'S USUALLY HOW WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. IF, IF SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING BEFORE WE CHANGE, STILL HAVE TO MEET THE YEAR, THEN WOULD THEY, BASED ON PRACTICE. THAT'S A PRACTICE THAT'S NOT IN POLICY. SO, SO MAYBE WE HAVE IT STARTED IN 2027 OR WELL, NO CASE ELSE. I THINK WE CAN WORD THAT, THAT IT'S FROM ANY, ANY NEW VOTE THAT HAPPENS AFTER THE DATE OF ADOPTION, THERE MUST BE A TWO YEAR GAP. OKAY. FROM THAT ONE. AND THAT MEANS JUNE OF 26TH THAT ON MANY, MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMETHING WAS IN PROCESS. AND WE WOULD SAY FOR ANY NEW PROCESS THAT HAPPENS, WHATEVER IT WAS FROM, WE'VE DONE THAT ON FEES. YEAH. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WANT THAT WE HAVE TO ADD THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. OTHERWISE THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE TWO YEARS FROM TIME. I MEAN, I EVEN BUILDER FEES, YOU KNOW, IF LIKE, SO THEY WOULD GET A RUSH OF PEOPLE WANTING PERMITS IN BEFORE THE, WHEN DID THEY COMFORTABLE, LIKE JUNE WRITING IT TWO YEARS FROM WHEN THEY INITIATED IT VERSUS TWO YEARS FROM WHEN IT WRAPPED UP AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SPECIFIC. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE JUST TO SAY THAT IT'S ANY NEW APPLICATION RECEIVED AFTER THE DATE OF WHATEVER IS CHOSEN BY YOU GUYS. SO TWO YEARS FROM THE INITIAL APPLICATION DATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. SO REAL QUICK ON THE SPEED HUMP POLICY AND JUST IF THERE'S A, DOES ANYONE, IF IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT A SPEED HUMP AND A SPEED TABLE IS, PUT A PICTURE OF A SPEED HUMP HERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS, AS SPREAD OUT. AND SO YOU, THERE'S MORE OF A A BUMP TO 'EM. THEY'RE NOT AS BAD AS A SPEED BUMP IF THEY'RE CLOSE, WHEREAS THE TABLE'S WIDER, YOU CAN USUALLY GET CLOSE SETS OF WHEELS ON IT. SO TABLES APPLICATION IS MORE FOR, FOR ROADS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT FASTER SPEED EXPECTED, WHEREAS AS YOU START TO HAVE SLOWER TRAFFIC, YOUR SPEED HUMP AND SPEED BUMPS COME INTO PLAY. UH, BUT ANYWAY, FOR THAT, IT'S, THIS ISN'T GONNA TAKE LONG BASICALLY THE SAME PROCESS STUFF AS THE TIER TWO, WHICH MEANS FOR THE SPEED HUMPS IT DOES CLARIFY THAT SPEED HUMPS ARE ONLY ALLOWED ON CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL STREETS, NOT ON COLLECTOR ARTERIAL STREETS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PRACTICE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE APPLICATION OF IT AND IT INCLUDES THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY REAL NEW THING AND A PETITION FAILURE DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE IF THE, IF IF THEY GO THROUGH, THEY GET ALL THE APPROVALS, THEY GO TO YOU, YOU APPROVE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH THE MONEY, UH, IN, IN SIX MONTHS OF APPROVAL. AND THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE PROBABLY THE NON HOA TRYING TO GATHER UP AND FIGURE IT OUT AND THEN IT JUST BASICALLY EXPIRES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE WE FIGURE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN SIX MONTHS IS EXPIRED. IS IT SUBJECT TO THE SAME TWO YEAR? I WOULD THINK SO. IT WOULD SEEM, YEAH, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FROM THAT DATE. IT WOULD BE FROM THE INITIAL INITIATION. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. WE WOULD, WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD APPLY THE SAME DATE APPROACH FOR BOTH SCENARIOS. SO THAT'S REALLY THE [01:35:01] ONLY DIFFERENCE. THE REST ARE ALL THE SAME. OKAY. SO LET ME GO THROUGH WHAT I HAVE AS, UH, AS FAR AS THE FOLLOW UPS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THOUSAND FOOT DISTANCE TO REVIEW THAT, TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UH, ENGINEERING PURPOSE OR WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, THE IMPACTS PERHAPS OF CROSS STREET STOP SIGNS. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE THOUSAND FOOT THING? DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE TO LIKE TRY TO PULL COMPS THE WAY WE DO WITH SOME OTHER TYPE STUFF? BUT DO OTHER, ARE, ARE THESE REGULATIONS SO ALL OVER THE BOARD THAT THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO COMPARE 'EM? OR IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AND SAY, HEY, DO OTHER COMMUNITIES USE A THOUSAND FEET TOO? IS THIS REALLY COMMON OR IS THERE WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT. YEAH. WHEN WE LOOK AT SIMILAR COMMUNITIES, I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING AS SPECIAL AS BROWN , BUT SIMILAR COMMUNITIES SURE. BECAUSE I LIKE, AND I'M JUST NOT PICKING ON METRO, BUT THAT'S A HUGE URBAN AREA. WE'RE NOT, AND SO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COMPARABLE TO OUR TYPE OF, OF CITY. YEAH. SO WE CAN DO THAT AND THEN WHAT, WHAT, WHATEVER OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION WILL BE, WILL BE BASED ON THAT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE AND INCLUDE ALL THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T WANT TO BUILD THE COMP INTO A HUGE DOCTORAL PROCESS OR A PROJECT, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD JOB FOR AI EVEN TO SEE IF IT'S GOT SOMETHING OUT THERE. YEAH, GOOD POINT. UH, SO WE HAVE THAT, UM, LET'S SEE, THE, UH, CHANGE FROM THE, UH, PETITION GAP OF ONE YEAR AND A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO IN FIVE YEARS TO JUST SAY A TWO YEAR GAP BETWEEN PETITIONS, BUT ANY PETITION PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED PRIOR TO THIS POLICY IN WHATEVER FORM BEING ADOPTED STILL HAS THE ONE YEAR PRACTICE GAP IN THERE. AND THEN, UH, THEN WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE SPEED ENFORCEMENT IN BEL RE IT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. . ANYTHING ELSE? YES, JUST SO WHEN HOLT ROAD WAS CLOSED AND THERE WAS A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC, UM, UH, UH, AROUND IT BOTH KIND OF HEADING DOWN REDMOND AND, AND THE OTHER WAY, UM, THE CITY OF NASHVILLE USED TEMPORARY SPEED TABLES, SO BIG RUBBER ONES, WHICH I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ANCHORED IN. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING WHERE IF, IF THERE'S A CONCERN, EITHER THAT THE CITY PICKS UP OR THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE COULD PUT A TEMPORARY ONE IN AND SEE IF IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM BEFORE WE HAVE A BIG, LONG PROCESS OR, OR WHATEVER. I KNOW THEY USED THEM IN, IN, WAS IT HOLLY TREE? IN THE HOLLY TREE GAP THERE? WERE THOSE TEMPORARY ONES OR WERE THOSE PERMANENT? BUT THEY'RE THE PLASTIC ONES BECAUSE YEAH, FROM AUTHORITY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO, TO DO ANY OF THAT, UH, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO TO TRY, I DON'T KNOW, IN PRACTICE IF WE, WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE DONE OR NOT DONE, UH, TEMPORARY. NOW, IF THERE'S, LIKE YOU SAY, IF THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE ROAD AND THE TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD TIME TO PROMPT TO DO THAT. IF WE WERE GONNA DO THAT AHEAD OF EACH OF THESE, THAT'S GONNA, WE'D HAVE TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT A BAD, IT'S ALWAYS NOT A BAD IDEA TO TRY SOMETHING. RIGHT. BUT OUR HOPE IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT IN ESSENCE TWICE IF THE, IF WE DO SOME PRETTY GOOD ENGINEERING ON THE FRONT END, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA ADD QUITE A BIT OF OF WORK AND THEN, AND THEY'LL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. TEMPORARY IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT. I, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE ZOO, RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA CROSS OVER SOME OF THOSE DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU GO. AND I SHOW AND THEY'RE SUPER CLOSE. I HATE THOSE THINGS. I'M NOT GONNA TO ZOO. I'M JUST KIDDING. , I'LL GO TO ZOO AGAIN. BUT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE A BIT OF A NUISANCE. I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, THEY'RE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THOUGH. SO, UH, YEAH. AND, AND I WILL SAY THEY WORK IN, IN NASHVILLE WITH, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM, THEY'VE GOT, UH, DELINEATORS BETWEEN THE BIKE LANE AND THE DRIVING LANE THAT ARE CUT UP CAR TIRES THAT ARE BOLTED INTO A U-SHAPE. THAT'S WHY I DON'T TRUST WHAT NASHVILLE . RIGHT. BUT I DO KNOW THERE WERE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THOSE SPEED TABLES REALLY WORKED. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, AND I PURPOSELY WENT THAT WAY ONE TIME TO SEE, AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY BE BEST TO ONLY USE THAT IN A SITUATION WHERE A MAJOR ROAD, WHICH WHOLE, WELL IT IS BECOME A MAJOR ROAD IS CLOSED. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DO IT AS A STANDARD. WELL, OR LIKE THE TEST, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, ON BELL REEF DRIVE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IF THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE VOTING ON IT, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY , THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY DETER THE, THE VOTE. IT MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE ATED. AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING BECAUSE WHERE IT WAS BEFORE WE HAD A STREET THAT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART WAS STRAIGHT, IT HAD A LITTLE CURVE. IT WAS VERY, VERY WIDE. AND IT WAS A GREAT CUT THROUGH FROM ARTERIAL TARIAL. AND UH, AND WE USED, WE HAD IN THERE FOR MONTHS SOME TEMPORARY THINGS. AND WHAT IT DID IS IT CAUSED YOU TO CURVE AROUND AND SLOWED YOU DOWN. AND, UH, AND WE, WE TOLD EVERYBODY, THESE ARE TEMPORARY. IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF IT'S PERMANENT. WE WANTED TO TRY IT OUT. AND IT WAS BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED BECAUSE IT HAD PEOPLE SPEEDING LIKE CRAZY. AND, UH, AND THEY HATED IT . AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR IT. WE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS BECAUSE OF THAT, AND WE HAD A LOT ANYWAY, BUT, UH, BUT, BUT IT DOES RAISE A VERY GOOD QUESTION, WHICH IS THERE ARE, THERE ARE TIMES, RIGHT. AND JANET, YOUR POINT'S VERY GOOD THAT IT MAY MAKE SENSE IN A TRAFFIC SCENARIO TO SET SOMETHING UP TEMPORARILY AND SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK BEFORE YOU DO IT PERMANENTLY. [01:40:01] UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE SEEN THAT WITH SWITCHING FROM, UH, UH, ONE WAY TO TWO WAY STREETS AND ADDING, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN OTHER THINGS TO TRY SOME STUFF OUT BEFORE YOU DO IT. AND IT MAKES SENSE TO, 'CAUSE IT'S A BIT OF AN EXPERIMENTATION IF YOU'RE NOT SURE. SO THERE'S AN APPLICATION FOR THAT FOR SURE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THIS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO PUT IN OUR NOTEBOOK AND MAKE SURE WE THINK ABOUT. I'LL SHARE ONE SCENARIO. IT WOULD PROBABLY WORKED EXCEPT THERE WAS NO ROAD STRUCTURE. THERE WAS, WHEN WE DID COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN RAGSDALE FOR THE THREE MONTHS, THE ONLY COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED TO GO THROUGH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD'VE EVEN WORKED, WOULD'VE BEEN THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB. BUT IT'S GATED. LET'S SAY YOU HAD A COMMUNITY RIGHT NEXT TO RAGSDALE THAT PEOPLE COULD WIND THROUGH THERE. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SITUATION ON TEMPORARY, THEIR MAIN THOROUGHFARE, FOOT TEMPORARY. BUT SAY THIS IS JUST UNTIL THIS ROAD OPENS BACK UP. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID AT, WITH HOLLY TREE. IS IT FARMS OR WHATEVER? YEAH. BECAUSE THEY HAD SHUT DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT. WHERE THEY WERE BUILDING AND YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH IT. YEAH. IT SLOWED YOU DOWN. THEY WERE, YEAH, IT DOES. THERE WERE MULTIPLE ONES. MM-HMM . SO THERE'S LITTLE CURVE OUTS AND ROUNDABOUTS. YOU, YOU'VE BEEN TO HIDDEN VALLEY. I KNOW IF YOU GUYS GET ONTO THAT WHERE THEY USE THOSE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, THERE'S NO BUMPS AND IT WORKS. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO, TO NAVIGATE THAT EXTRA WELL, RIGHT. ON OUR BORDER, UH, COPPER STONE. COPPER STONE, DAVIDSON COUNTY SURE. IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST PLACE I EVER SAW IN THIS AREA. THAT WAS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS BACK IN THE EIGHTIES. THAT USES THERE LIKE A MINIATURE ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT. AND THEY SLOW DOWN SOME, THEY STILL, PEOPLE CAN FLOP COPPER STONE OR COPPERFIELD. COPPERFIELD. YEAH. YEAH, VICKI, BECAUSE IT LITERALLY GOES BETWEEN OLD HICKORY AND CLAND. AND SO THEY KNEW, OH, THIS WILL BE A BIG CUT THROUGH EVEN IT IS. AND SO, BUT IT DOES SLOW YOU DOWN. AND THEY DIDN'T CONNECT THE ROAD STRAIGHT. THEY PURPOSELY DID A 90 DEGREE AND THEN ANOTHER 90 DEGREE. OH, OKAY. SO YOU LIKE THE ROAD DOESN'T CONNECT STRAIGHT THROUGH WHEN YOU GET TO THE LAST, WHAT, 20% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LEFT MM-HMM . TO GET TO CLOVER LAND. AND THEN IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE HEADED HICK OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT AND A RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN. YEAH. THAT MAKES IT NOT AS CONVENIENT AND EASY. RIGHT. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION. SO IT'S JUST A ONE READ FOR YOU. SO WE'LL DO OUR RESEARCH ON THE QUESTIONS AND COME BACK AND THAT'LL BE REFLECTED IN WHAT WE, UH, GIVE, GIVE TO YOU. SO IT'LL TAKE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. SO MY GUESS IS THIS MIGHT BE, UH, COULD BE DECEMBER, MAYBE JANUARY ITEM. IT'S NOT A, A BIG RUSH ITEM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK BEFORE THEN LET ME KNOW. YEAH. OH, I HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS NOT RELATED TO THIS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK. AND SINCE I HAVE YOU ALL HERE, CAN I ASK , UM, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE, UM, VA AND THE APPROVAL OF THE LIGHTS AND A RESIDENT WHO ASKED, UM, WE, I KNOW ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF ENFORCING WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO DO AS FAR AS LIGHTS ON, LIGHTS OFF. BUT HOW, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO? SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE GATE THAT WASN'T CLOSED OR THE PARKING WHERE THEY SAID WOULD NOT BE PARKED. AND HOW DID, HOW'S THAT GONNA PLAY OUT IF THEY DON'T TURN THE LIGHTS OFF AT SEVEN, WHICH THEY'VE AGREED TO. SORRY, WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON HERE IN THE ROOM. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT IT IS A ZONING ENFORCEMENT ACTION COULD BE, WELL, IF IT, IF IT WASN'T A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE LIGHTS GO OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME. IF IT WAS JUST SUGGESTED AT THE MEETING THAT THEY MAY OR, OR THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO IT, THEY VERBALLY VERBALIZED THAT MM-HMM . I DON'T THINK THE CITY CAN DO ANYTHING. UM, BUT IF IT WERE, IF THERE WERE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITH AN OLD MASTER PLAN, THEN LIKE THE GATE HAD TO BE CLOSED. YEAH. THEN WE COULD ENFORCE THAT. THAT WOULD BE A, A VIOLATION. YEAH. ANYTHING THAT'S A REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE APPROVAL. SO BASICALLY THE LIGHTS CAN, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THE LIGHTS. THEY JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A FOOT CANDLE, UM, MAXIMUM OF THE PROPERTY LINES, WHICH IS THREE. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TOLD THEY'D BE TURNED OFF AT SEVEN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. SO THE APPLICANT SAID THAT AT THE MEETING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, THEY SAID, WELL, NO. APPARENTLY THE, I DON'T, THE HOMEOWNERS, UM, WERE TOLD THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE, MOST OF THE TIME TURNED OFF BY SEVEN OR 10. NO. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE LIGHTS IF YOU TURN OFF ITS OFFICE? YEAH. THEY SAID NINE OR 10. THEY SAID NINE. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. IN THE MEETING THEY DID? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. THINK THEY, THEY SAID THAT MORE FROM LIKE, THEY WON'T HAVE GAMES AND THEY DON'T WANNA PAY FOR 'EM YEAH. TO, TO HAVE THEM ON. BUT, BUT TO GET BACK TO THAT QUESTION, I MEAN, ANYTHING, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED BY THE, UH, ZONING APPROVAL, THE CHANGE AND THE CHANGE IN THE PLAN, THEN IT WOULD DEFAULT BACK INTO OUR NUISANCE CODES. RIGHT. AND IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING CREATING A NUISANCE IN VIOLATION OF NUISANCE CODES AND WE COULD ENFORCE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE'D HAVE TO DEFAULT TO IF IT WASN'T A VIOLATION OF THE ZONING APPROVAL, I THINK. IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AS WE HAVE WITH OTHER THINGS, NOISE ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY WHERE [01:45:01] YOU GET COMPLAINTS. 'CAUSE SOME ACTIVITY WAS GOING ON IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I FORGET WHAT THE ACTUAL DECIBEL LEVEL WAS, BUT FOR SOME REASON IN MY BRAIN, I THINK IT WAS 70 OR 75, OUR POLICE ARE EQUIPPED TO COME AND STAND IN THE YARD OF THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE COMPLAINT AND SEE IF IT'S ABOVE THAT. AND IF IT IS ABOVE THAT, THEN THAT'S JUST LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW. THAT'S JUST LIKE TAKING A RADAR SHOT ON A CAR THAT'S GOING 18 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. OKAY. YOU, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION. SO THEY, IT WILL BEHOOVE THEM DURING OUR TIMES OF NOISE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR NOISE DOESN'T GET TOO LARGE BECAUSE THAT BASEBALL FIELD IS VERY CLOSE TO HOUSES. MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S ONLY AFTER 10, RIGHT? THE NOISE, MAYBE IT'S AFTER 10. YEAH. SO, SO THEY'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, SO UNTIL THEN THOUGH, THEY GET TO HEAR IT ALL. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS REALLY THREE OR FOUR FAMILIES THAT REALLY CAME AND OBJECTED TO THE LIGHTS. AND THEN JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, BRENTWOOD ACADEMY BROUGHT THEIR BASEBALL TEAM AND THEY HAD A LOT OF YOUNG FACES SITTING OUT THERE SAYING THEY WANTED TO PLAY BASEBALL AND THEY ASSURED THAT, THAT THEY WOULD TURN THESE LIGHTS OFF AND FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATION PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY TO ALLOW THE LIGHTS BECAUSE THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES, THEY MET WHAT WAS GOING ON. UM, THEY BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IN THE INFO MEETING PUT UP A, A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWED FOOT CANDLES AND IT HAD LITTLE MARKS ON IT, BUT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT. BUT IT GOES OUT AND IT WENT RIGHT TO THE HOUSES. I CLARIFIED AT THIS MEETING THAT IT DOES CARRY ON OUT, BUT IT GETS DIMMER AND DIMMER OUT THERE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. IT MET THE , I THINK THEY CHARACTERIZES LESS THAN MOONLIGHT. MM-HMM . BASED ON THE FOOT CANDLES THAT MOONLIGHT IS ON THE GROUND. FEEDBACK I GOT FROM THE RESIDENTS IS THE LIGHTS, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE LIGHT POLLUTION, BUT THE NOISE IS AN ISSUE. IT'S ALREADY AN ISSUE. LIGHTS CREATE ACTIVITY. ACTIVITY CREATES NOISE, GOT FLYOVERS GOING AND FIREWORKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I'VE EVEN GOTTEN PEOPLE FROM BELL REVE THAT HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT. BUT ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVED CLOSEST TO THERE UNIQUELY HAVE ALL LIVED THERE FOR DECADES. YEAH. AND IN 94, WHEN THEY ALLOWED THE BASEBALL FIELD, MORE OR LESS TOLD THEM THAT, THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA DO LIGHTS. AND SO THE, I THINK THEY FELT LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SAY OR PROTECTION. SO I THINK THERE WAS, I TALKED TO SEVERAL, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO SOME HARD FEELINGS. THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UM, THEY TOLD US AT ONE POINT THEY HAD, UH, PINE TREES PLANTED OUT THERE IN BUSHES. MM-HMM . AND THE PINE TREES AND BUSHES HAD DIED AND THEY WEREN'T REPLACED. THERE'S A BERM THERE, BUT A BERM DONE BROUGHT BLOCKING LIGHT AND THEM BLOCKED THE SOUND EITHER. I DO THINK THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, NEIGHBORLY LOVE THERE AND, BUT WE COULDN'T REQUIRE THAT. SO IT WASN'T DID YOU, YOU'RE, ARE YOU INDICATING FOR THAT THE SCHOOL HAD PLANTED THOSE TREES AND BUSHES? YES. WELL, IF, IF THAT WAS A ZONING REQUIREMENT, THAT WOULD STILL BE ACTIVE, WOULDN'T IT? THERE'S NO REASON IT WOULD'VE, IT WOULD TERMINATE AS A ZONING REQUIREMENT. AND IF IT IS, WE COULD CHECK THAT AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO REPLANT THOSE. I I SAY MIGHT, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'LL HAPPENED THAT LONG AGO, BUT MAY TYPICALLY, SPEAKING OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS STAY IN PERPETUITY, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE A VIOLATION, YOU COULD CHECK AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, MAKE SURE IT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED. SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR REPLEN, YOUR TREE IN YOUR BUSH OR WHATEVER IT MAY, YOU COULD CHECK THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY HAVE BEEN WHEN THEY WERE DOING OTHER THINGS ON THE FACILITY, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THAT 94 WHERE THE BASEBALL FIELD WAS APPROVED. YEAH, YEAH. IF IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT, IT WOULDN'T MATTER. BUT IF IT WAS A REQUIREMENT, THEN WE MIGHT, WE MAY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, BUT COULD I GET CLARIFICATION ON THE CELLULAR, THE WIRELESS ORDINANCE? I'M GONNA GO BACK AND WORK ON THE, WHAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED. AND I'LL WORK WITH YOU TOO, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. BUT I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING. SO WITH, WITH THE PROPOSED ALLOWANCE WITHIN OPEN SPACE, PRIMARILY THAT'S OSRD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT YOU CAN HAVE OPEN SPACE IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. YES. AR R TWO R ONE, DO WE WANNA, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT OR DO WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO OSRD, THE GOVERNMENT AS A PERMITTED USE? WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IMPACT? WELL, AR YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT AREAS, UH, ALONG OLD SMYRNA, BUT DOES THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT HOA WELL IF THEY DO A DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT. SO LIKE HARLAN I GUESS, RIGHT. BUT ALSO TODD, THE WOULD BE HO EMPLOYERS WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE NEED AND EXACTLY. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION [01:50:01] STILL GETS A LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? YES, IT SOME EXTENT. AND CHRIS, I KNOW YOU SAID IT DOES, BUT ONCE IT'S, IF IT'S CODE COMPLIANT, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN LIKE COMMISSIONER TRAVIS WAS JUST SAYING THAT WAS A CODE COMPLIANT PLAN FOR LIGHTS. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH, UH, DISCRETION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PART. SO THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING HOW WOULD KEEP, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU WITH WHAT WE'RE AT OR CHANGING PROPERLY DI DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE IMPACT OF IT FROM AN OSRD OPEN SPACE TO A DIFFERENT ZONING OPEN SPACE WHEN THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL ANYWAY? RIGHT. I THINK ONCE YOU OPEN IT TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUBDIVISION, WELL, WE DO HAVE ONE I GUESS, BUT I GUESS IF IT'S OPEN SPACE IN A SUBDIVISION, THEN IT, IT'S NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT IN THAT CRITERIA. YOU COULDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAD 10 ACRES THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A SINGLE HOUSE ON IT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I, I MEET THE REQUIREMENT. THIS IS OPEN SPACE BACK HERE. BUT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IT HAS TO BE HOA OWNED, RIGHT? YES. SO YOU RELY OA BOARD THAT'S WE'RE AND THAT MIXTURE OF GOVERNANCE TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR YOU. I THINK THAT, SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, I HAVE TO GO, SO WE'VE GOT THE WIRELESS ORDINANCE PROPOSAL, THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO OSRD AND I HAVE TO AMEND THE PERMITTED USES AND I HAVE TO INCLUDE SF DISTRICTS AS WELL. YEAH. UH, SITES, RIGHT? I HAVE TO LIST THAT AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN OSRD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I ALSO NEED TO DO THAT FOR AR R ONE, R TWO IF IT HAS AN HOA, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THE DISTRICTS THEN YOU'RE WRITE THE BRENT HAVEN. SO IF, YEAH, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO, HOAS WOULD NOT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, LET ME SAY THAT WE HAVE, WE ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW SO THAT IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER THAN WHAT WE'RE THINKING. AND THAT'S WHAT TODD AND JASON AND JAY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING, IF THE FEDERAL LAW IS THERE, THEN MY THINKING IS ANY HOA THAT IS R ONE, R TWO AR PERIOD WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HARD TO SHOW RIGHT. WHAT THEIR DIFFERENCE IS. YOU KNOW? WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 10 ACRES OPEN SPACE IN THE WOODS? RIGHT. WELL THIS, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET HILLSIDE. 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW THAT I'M PICTURING THEY MAY GO, 'CAUSE THE HILLS SEEM TO BE WHERE IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THOSE THINGS. YEAH. WHERE THEY COULDN'T BUILD UP THERE, BUT IT DID COUNT FOR THEIR OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, LIKE, THERE'S ONE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE APPROVED IT OFF OF, UH, SPLIT LOG AFTER YOU, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING WILSON PIKE COMING OFF THE HILL, IT'S TO THE RIGHT THERE. LIKE THAT WHOLE HILLSIDE WAS COUNTED AND THEY, THE, UH, DEVELOPER AGREED TO NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOA KEEPS 'EM UP, BUT AGREED TO PUT WALKING TRAILS UP THERE SO IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE LIKE A GREEN SPACE WITH A TRAIL OR WHATEVER. SO THEY WON TRAIL. YEAH. ONE THING TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, UM, IS IT'S GOING TO DEPEND LIKELY SUBDIVISION BY SUBDIVISION WHO'S ALLOWED TO MAKE APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF THE HOA. SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT PRESENTS CHALLENGES FOR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL. SOME. AND, AND WITHOUT SEEING EACH SUBDIVISIONS CCRS, WE DON'T KNOW, IS IT JUST THE BOARD GETS TO DO IT OR 75% OF ALL RESIDENTS HAS TO DO IT? SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE RUN INTO AS WELL. AND BY WE THEY RUN INTO, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE THEIR ISSUE. BUT THE QUESTION I HAD IS ONE OF THE ONLY COMMISSIONERS, ONE THE FEW COMMISSIONERS THAT HASN'T ACTUALLY SERVED YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, SO I KNOW OSRD HAS GREEN SPACE THAT'S OWNED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SERVES THE COMMON GREEN SPACE. BUT I WAS THINKING LIKE WITH R ONE AND R TWO AND R TWOS MORE COMMONLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD'VE AN HOA, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THOSE DON'T EVEN HAVE HOAS. UM, BUT THEY HAVE COMMONLY GREEN SPACE TOO. I THOUGHT THE GREEN SPACE IN R TWO NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ALL ON THE INDIVIDUAL. LOTS OWNED BY THAT HOMEOWNER AND NOT COMMONLY OWNED GREEN SPACE. SO YEAH. SO R TWO, ANY ZONING DISTRICT LIKE, UH, CLO, UM, ON OLD SMYRNA, THEY'VE GOT SOME OPEN SPACE, WHICH THAT BUT THAT'S AN AR IP RIGHT? IT IS MM-HMM . IT IS. BUT THEY'VE GOT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEIR DETENTION PONDS ARE. YOU KNOW, THE DETENTION PONDS ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT THOSE ON PRIVATE LOTS. RIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH. THOSE HAVE TO BE AN OPEN SPACE. SO EVEN AN R TWO OR AN R ONE, IF IT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT COULD HAVE LIKE LITTLE SIDE PROTECTION OR DETENTION PONDS OR, OR I GUESS, UH, FLOODPLAIN THAT'S COMMON TO BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S GREEN SPACE PRIVATELY OWNED INSIDE THAT. RIGHT. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A TOWER ON IT. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT'S NO, BUT I GUESS I'M SAYING IF YOU HAD A NEW SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, THEY COULD, THEY COULD HAVE AN OPEN SPACE AREA FOR THEIR RESIDENTS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ZONED OSRD. [01:55:02] THE, THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE AN AREA RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS THAT HE JUST CALLS OPEN SPACE IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT. AND LOOK, THIS MAY NOT COME UP, IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT WHILE I'M DRAFTING IT, I'M JUST, I'M THINKING THAT, DO I WANNA MAKE IT A PERMITTED USE? WE NEED TO ALLOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FEDERAL, AND I KNOW LIKE SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT LIKE FAA RULES ABOUT AIR TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER. I'VE ACTUALLY MADE CALLS IN THE PAST AND PRETTY MUCH WENT NOWHERE BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT IN YOUR PURVIEW. AND IT'S SO COMPLEX. THERE'S REASONS WHY WE DO THIS. UM, AND WE NEED TO HAVE CONSISTENCY IN OUR APPLICATION. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. CONSISTENCY IN OUR APPLICATION. GOOD POINT. SO INCLUDE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE UH, WE MAY HAVE SOME STUFF TO SORT THROUGH. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN SO YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME STUFF. DO THAT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OH WAIT, HE HAS, OH, I'M STILL GOING ON VACATION THIS WEEK. . ONE THING, ONE THING I KNOW WE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH THE TRAFFIC COMMENT. ONE THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION IS I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A, PUT SOMETHING IN THE POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT PRIVATE STREETS AND HOW THIS POLICY DOES NOT OH YES. MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, PERFORMING PUBLIC STREETS. YEAH. SO IT'S FOR PUBLIC STREETS ONLY SO THAT WE DON'T GET IN THE MIDDLE OF A YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT CALL. BECAUSE WE'VE EVEN GOT A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS STILL HAVE PRIVATE STREETS, SO THEY, THEY CAN STILL DO IT WOULD BE THEIR OWN. THAT'S WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY STILL HAVE WHOLE STAFF THE SAFETY STANDARDS BUT NOT DO THIS. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S EASY. YEAH. GOOD CATCH. GOOD CATCH. ALRIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. LOT OF STUFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE INPUT, FEEDBACK. UM, LET OVER THANK Y'ALL. GOOD MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.