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SURE TO GET THROUGH THIS.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing October 23, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the October 27th Agendas, the item below will be discussed: Discussion of e-bikes This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
TAKE TOO LONG ON THE AGENDA PART, BUT, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, KNOWS TIMELINE HERE.SO WE START WITH THE, UH, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT MEETING.
YOU'RE, WE CAN GET ON WITH THIS MS. NOW.
IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO COME TO A FUN MEETING.
SO WE START WITH THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT MEETING.
YOU DO HAVE, UH, KATHLEEN'S REPORT, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
I WILL JUST REAL QUICK, JUST GIVE YOU THE QUICK FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHT OF THAT AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
THE, UH, REVENUES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WERE, UH, THIS YEAR, THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, UH, THE REVENUES ARE ABOUT JUST A LITTLE UNDER A THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS DUE TO, UH, LESS INTEREST EARNINGS.
AND THE DECREASE IN EXPENSES ARE A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE AT, AT THIS POINT, NO CURRENT YEAR COST FOR REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE AND MACHINERY EQUIPMENT.
SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THERE.
GENERALLY, IT'S ALL TRACKING THE WAY YOU'D EXPECT IT TO TRACK.
THAT'S REALLY THE THEME OF THAT, UH, TO THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GO INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
AND WE HAVE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PARK BOARD APPOINTMENT, WE HAVE, UH, ALL CONSENT ITEMS. YOU DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGY WEEK, JUST AS AN FYI, UH, LET'S SEE.
AS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, REAL QUICK, UH, UM, JANE AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE THERE.
UH, AND I, AND I DON'T EXPECT KRISTEN TO GIVE A CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
AND ALSO DON'T MAKE ME SAY NO REPORT TWO TIMES OF THE ROUND.
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THAT.
WHEN'S THE LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY? SERIOUSLY, I'LL BE READY.
YEAH, YOU CAN SAY NO REPORT AND THEN NO REPORT.
BE KINDA LIKE THE COMMERCIAL WITH UC, SOROS, WHERE HE'S LIKE, NO, GOLD
HE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
LINDA LYNCH WAS LEFT THE CITY MANAGER.
WE HAD REALLY GONE DOWN THE TOTEM
WHAT HAPPENED? SO THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS THE, UH, PARTICIPATION IN, UH, AUTHORIZATION TO PARTICIPATE IN A, A GRANT PROGRAM FOR DRIVER SAFETY.
UH, WE PUT UP 5,000 FOR A 10,000 TOTAL DRIVER SAFETY PROGRAM TO, UH, UH, PROVIDE, HAVE PUBLIC ENTITY PARTNERS WHO IS, UH, OUR, UH, PROPERTY ENGINE RELIABILITY INSURANCE CARRIER.
AND WITH THOSE DOLLARS WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRAIN AND GO THROUGH DRIVER SAFETY TRAINING FOR ALL OF OUR FOLKS WHO DRIVE REGULARLY IN THE ORGANIZATION.
SO THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THEY RECOMMENDED.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES THE CHANGE ORDER AND AGREEMENT WITH PRIME CONTROLS, UH, FOR SCADA GENERATOR MONITORING HARDWARE AND SERVICES.
THIS GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD RECENTLY ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND THINGS WE LISTED, UH, WITH THE, UH, DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE FREED UP BY NOT, UH, GOING FORWARD WITH A RACKET FACILITY.
SO THIS IS RELATIVELY SPEAKING FOR THAT.
IT'S A SMALL ITEM, UH, ABOUT, UH, JUST UNDER $300,000 WITH A LITTLE OVER 29,000 WE WANT TO HAVE IN A CONTINGENCY BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, NOT EVERYTHING MIGHT BE QUITE AS WELL DEFINED AS WE'D LIKE.
BUT WHAT THIS BASICALLY WE DO IS THIS GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, IS THAT WE'VE USED CADA, WHICH IS SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND, UH, WHAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE DATA ACQUISITION? UH, AND, AND WATER SYSTEMS WASTEWATER SYSTEMS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, BUT WE WANTED TO EXTEND THAT WITH OUR GENERATORS.
UH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MANUALLY, UH, DRIVE OR, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON AND CHECK EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME.
AND THE SCADA CAN ALLOW YOU TO MONITOR, ADJUST CERTAIN THINGS, UH, CHECK FUEL LEVELS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE WANTED TO EXPAND BEYOND JUST OUR UTILITY, UH, SYSTEM, UH, GENERATORS.
SO SEVERAL, UH, IN 2021, THE VENDOR WE CHANGED TO, UH, PRIME CONTROLS, WHICH IS WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
AND A FEW MONTHS AFTER THAT, THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT STARTED WITH THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, WHICH WAS A CHANGE ORDER THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP THE SOFTWARE TO EXPAND OUT TO OUR OTHER GENERATORS.
BUT WE WEREN'T QUITE READY TO DEAL WITH EQUIPMENT IN ALL FULL INTEGRATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A CHANGE ORDER TO THAT AGREEMENT.
AND WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD, I, IT IT'S, WE'VE IDENTIFIED GENERATORS FOR THE POLICE STATION, ALL THE FIRE STATIONS, THE LIBRARY, AND OUR 9 1 1 TOWER SITE.
AND SO WE HAVE GENERATORS THERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD EXPAND
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THE SCADA SYSTEMS AND REMOTE ABILITY TO MANAGE THOSE WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE SITES.SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED JUST A BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, NOT TOO MANY MEETINGS AGO AND WE HAVE IT READY FOR YOU NOW.
SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO DO FOR A LONG TIME AND IT REALLY MAKES SENSE AND WILL HELP US BE ON THE FRONT END OF IF WE HAVE A FAILURE, EVEN EVEN SMALL THINGS COULD BE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO MONITOR REMOTELY AND KNOW AHEAD OF TIME AND NOT HAVE SURPRISES WITH THEIR GENERATORS.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE KEY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RELIABILITY IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM THE GENERATORS.
THE GENERATOR AT THE, UM, SERVICE CENTER IN THAT FIRE STATION, UH, PROVIDES POWER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THAT.
THEN THERE, JAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT, IT, IT DOES, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S CRITICAL OF IES THAT THERE YES.
IN FACT, I SEE NEWS IF, YEAH, NO, UM, YES, IT, IT DOES.
AND I THINK THAT THAT ONE'S GOT THE CAPABILITY.
UM, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW, CHRIS? IT'S NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT IN THE UTILITY VT CI DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIGN.
YEAH, BUT RIGHT, BECAUSE IT, IT'S CITY HALL.
I THINK HE'S GOT THE ABILITY TO SEE SOME OF THE INFORMATION.
SO, UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT ANSWER, BUT THERE'S A REASON IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE.
I'M JUST NOT ASSU AND TOTALLY SURE WHAT IT IS.
CAN YOU FIND THAT OUT? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC WORKS IS CRITICAL WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES YEAH.
WE, WE DIDN'T MISS IT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A REASON IT'S NOT IN THERE.
WE'LL FIND THAT BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION.
SIMPLE RESOLUTION ACCEPTING UTIL EASEMENT THROUGH, UH, UH, PROPERTY BELONGING AT WILSON BANK AND TRUST.
AND THAT WAS RELATED TO A PROJECT, UH, FACILITATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BARON OFFICE BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EASEMENT.
AND SO THIS IS JUST A DEDICATION OF THE EASEMENT.
ITEM FOUR IS A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES THE USE OF A COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL PROCESS IN LIEU OF A STRAIGHTFORWARD LOW BED PROCESS FOR PAVING PROJECT AT COOL SPRINGS HOUSE.
UH, AND THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST IS OBVIOUSLY THAT THE AGGREGATE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND, UH, WE WANT TO ADD A, UH, PAD IN THE BACK SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AT RAVENSWOOD THAT ALLOWS FOR THE TENT LOCATION AND SO FORTH AND 'CAUSE OF THE SENSITIVE NATURE OF THE HISTORIC HOME, RATHER THAN JUST GO WITH THE LOW BID.
THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL PROCESS DOES PROVIDE A COST, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PRICE AND UH, UH, AND, AND COMPARE THE PRICES, BUT ALSO ALLOWS US TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH FACTORS SUCH AS EXPERIENCED PROJECTS OF CERTAIN THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SCOPE.
UH, AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE FIND THAT'S RELATED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE STORED NATURE OF THESE PROPERTIES, UH, AND SOMEONE'S HAD MORE EXPERIENCE THERE, WE CAN LEAN IN ON THAT AND WE CAN WAIVE BOTH THAT AND THE COST.
IS IT THE, IS IT GOING TO GO BACK AS AGGREGATE MONTHLY AGGREGATE? I IS IT, THAT'S A SAVING QUESTION.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT WAS CHARLES THE POINT I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I ASSUMED IT WAS, BUT I YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
YES, IT LOOKS SIMILAR JUST WITHOUT THE CRACKS.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT HOW IT'S LIKE FOOTED INSIDE AND ALL THAT? I KNOW THERE'S SOMETIMES WHEN WE STARTED GETTING INTO PAD, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE HAVE A, LIKE WITH THE, UM, THE TURF FIELDS, WE FOUND, UH, THE SINKHOLE BACK THERE WAS MORE OF AN ISSUE OR THE LIBRARY WHEN WE FOUND STUFF UNDER GROUND PAD FOR THE TENT HAS THAT THE LOCATION CONCERNS WITH THE GROUND, KEEP IN MIND, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA PUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE BARN IS, IS THE PAT'S GONNA GO OUT THERE THAT DON'T, THE ONLY THOUGHT IS THE ELEVATION BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE TO BE UP A LITTLE HIGHER ON THE EDGE.
BUT NO, I DON'T KNOW ANY CONCERNS.
THEY WERE PREPARED TO DO AND ALL THAT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY BORINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IS THERE DUE DILIGENCE WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOCKED IN OR
SO THERE AREN'T ANY SURPRISES.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SAFER ROUTE WOULD BE TO, TO DO SOME SORT OF A, A BORING TO, WE DON'T OVERTHINK IT, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THE PAST EXPERIENCES SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, STUFF COMES UP, WIND UP BEING A VOID THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
WE'RE LIKE A WINDY HILL AND WE'RE PUTTING IN THE UM MM-HMM
THE, THE SIDEWALKS AND OF HAVING TO GO WITH CONCRETE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING WITH CONCRETE HERE ALREADY MM-HMM
BUT, UH, IT JUST, JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR PAST COUPLE PROJECTS AND WE'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING SIMPLE.
IT'S, IT'S GOT MORE COMPLICATED.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL LOOK INTO IF IT'S NOT TOO EXPENSIVE, WE'LL WE'LL DO A BORING AND MAKE SURE THE SOILS ARE GONNA BE SUITABLE THERE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THIS PAN?
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OH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.THE DIMENSIONS I DON'T HAVE, DO YOU? I DON'T, I HAVE 'EM, BUT NOT RIGHT ON.
IT'S FOR IT A STANDARD TENT, WHICH WOULD BE, WE'RE IN A CONTRACT FOR A TENT RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 40 BY 20 OR 50 BY 20.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? I, I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION IS, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON AN AGGREGATE DRIVEWAY IN A WHILE, BUT IS THAT SMOOTH ENOUGH TO PUT TABLES AND CHAIRS AND ADVANCING ON, OR PEOPLE WALKING IN DRESS SHOES IF THEY'RE FINISHING PROPERLY? YES.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANNA GO WITH THE LOWEST.
AND ALSO, Y'ALL SAID THAT, I GUESS YOU PUT A DANCE FLOOR ON THE AGGREGATE IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DANCING.
I SAW SOMETHING HERE ABOUT THE FLOOR, LIKE THE WOODEN OVERLAY, YOU MEAN? WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE.
I MEAN, DID, DO Y'ALL USE A FLOOR AT RAVEN RAVENSWOOD WHEN YOU HAVE DANCING OR IS IT RIGHT ON THE SURFACE? UH, SOME, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF TIMES THE VENDOR, WE SOMETIMES HAVE JUST THE REGULAR SURFACE AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THOSE, UH, IT'S LIKE WOOD, UH, RISERS.
DEPENDS IF WE HAVE BREAK DANCING GOING ON
THE FIFTH ITEM IS A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES THE SALE AND DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY.
NOW, YOU'VE TYPICALLY SEEN THIS IN THE PAST AS, AS WE COLLECT SURPLUS PROPERTY.
THE DIFFERENCE HERE, UH, IS THAT, UM, WE WORK, TYPICALLY WORK WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THEY HAVE A FACILITY AND WE DO THIS TOGETHER AND THERE'S ROOM FOR OUR STUFF AND THEIR STUFF AND THAT FACILITY IS, UH, NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
AND WHAT THE FACILITY THEY USE IS SMALLER AND DOESN'T ACCOM ACCOMMODATE THE SPACE THAT WE NEED TO STORE ITEMS. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT, UH, VEHICLES, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, TRUCKS FROM PARKS, SEVERAL, UH, DODGE CHARGERS, THREE EXPLORERS FROM POLICE AND SOME TRUCKS FROM WATER SERVICES.
THE BIG ITEMS AND ELECTRONICS WOULD BE SOLD VIA PRETTY TRADITIONAL, UH, SITE CALLED GOV DEALS ONLINE.
UH, THAT, UH, I I THINK HISTORICALLY IT DOES PRETTY WELL.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW IT'LL COMPARE IT, BUT I KNOW THAT'S, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT IT'S BEEN USED AND IT DOES PRETTY WELL.
AND THEN ASKING FOR THE ITEMS THAT IT REALLY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY VALUE, UH, THE SMALL ITEMS SUCH AS OFFICE FURNITURE, FILING CABINETS, OTHER ITEMS LIKE THAT TO HAVE, UH, PERMISSION TO DONATE THOSE TO GOODWILL OR OTHER NON FOR NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? IS, IS THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY THAT THAT'S GONE FOREVER OR IS IT JUST JUST NOT AVAILABLE NOW? THAT'S THE IMPRESSION.
IT'S NOT AN OPTION UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGED.
BUT THE BUILDING THAT WAS USED KIND OF FRONT WHERE THAT 9 1 1 CENTER IS AND I THINK THEY'RE TEARING IT, IT'S PRETTY VALUABLE THERE.
AND WE'VE BEEN USING THAT SITE WITH THEM FOR MANY YEARS, SO YEAH.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE MONEY COMING IN.
IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD FIGURE SOMETHING OUT ON THAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE'LL DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF THIS AND IF THE BEST WE CAN SORT OF COMPARE AND SEE HOW WE DID.
AND GOING FORWARD, WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THIS MUCH BECAUSE OF THE RENOVATION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FURNITURE AND STUFF, BUT, UM, THE, UM, AUCTIONEER WOULD BE GLAD TO DO IT FOR US.
WE WOULDN'T BE SHARING IN THE COST AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOCATION TO HAVE IT.
SO THE TRUCKLOAD OF IT EQUIPMENT IN HERE, IN TERMS OF ALL THE LAPTOPS AND DESKTOPS MM-HMM
SO, AND I'M GUESSING THAT WE DID IS WHEN, I GUESS THERE'S A WINDOWS 11 UPGRADE TO GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES A HARDWARE UPGRADE IN LOT OF CASES.
THIS IS DRIVEN IN PART BY THAT, BUT WITH ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE COMPUTERS AND TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CITY DATA ON ANY OF THEM, THEY'LL BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE READY TO SELL.
THEY'RE ALL WIPED PROPERLY AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR MANY YEARS.
YEAH, I KNOW BECAUSE THAT IS A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT PROJECT, IF SOMEONE'S TRYING TO JUST DO IT ON THEMSELVES, HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME IT MADE IT TO THIS LIST, ALL THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS, UH, JUST THE, UH, APPOINTMENT OF THE PARK BOARD MEMBER.
AND THAT'S, UH, DRIVEN BY THE RESIGNATION, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.
AND THEY WOULD SERVE THE REST OF HIS TERM, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, THEY WILL.
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OKAY.PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AGENDA FOR YOU.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON INTO OUR, UH, ITEMS OF DISCUSSION AND START TALKING ABOUT E-BIKES.
WE KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING A CONVERSATION ABOUT E-BIKES.
UM, AND I WILL GIVE YOU A, BEFORE WE GET INTO IT TOO FAR, A LITTLE BIT OF SORT OF A, A OVERVIEW.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON TODAY IS REALLY MORE OF AN A BIT OF AN ORIENTATION, SORT OF A WHY, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT? UH, BASICALLY HOW STATE LAW, LOCAL LAWS DEAL WITH E-BIKES, WHAT E-BIKES ARE, AND YOU'VE HAD SOME INFORMATION SENT OUT TO YOU, SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF E-BIKES, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CLASSES OF E-BIKES AND BASICALLY HOW THE SITUATION IS SET UP TODAY LEGALLY AND PRACTICALLY FOR STREETS, UH, MULTI-USE PATHS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, ONE, UH, CHAD GROUTS HERE WITH BIKE WALK, UH, BRENTWOOD, APPRECIATE THAT.
THEY PROVIDED SOME INITIAL INPUT.
THEY'RE STILL FOCUSING ON INPUT TOO, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE INPUT I BELIEVE THAT WILL COME THERE.
WE'RE GONNA MEET THIS EVENING.
UH, WE ARE WORKING ALSO, AND I'LL COVER SOME OF THAT IN HERE WITH A, UH, COLLABORATION OF FOLKS THROUGH THE, UH, WILSON COUNTY, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE TAKING A STRONG INTEREST AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AROUND THE CAMPUS AND WITH THEIR KIDS.
AND SO IDEALLY, WHEREVER WE GO, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN KIND OF COORDINATION.
IF WE CAN BE, THAT'S WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE.
AND WE KNOW WE KNOW ONE THING COMING OUT OF THIS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS YET BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE THIS, WANT TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK, PUT SOME THOUGHTS INTO IT, UH, AND SEE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
BUT WE DO KNOW, WE THINK THAT EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION IS GONNA BE A BIG PART OF IT.
WHAT FORM THAT COMES INTO AND HOW THAT AFFECTS WHEN WE SAY EDUCATION, WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT, UH, SIGNAGE, WHETHER IT BE IN PARKS OR ON TRAILS, WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT WE DO THINK THERE PROBABLY IS A ROLE FOR SOME OF THAT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND WHERE WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THAT AND GET INTO THIS.
UM, AND, AND FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I DO WANNA SAY, UH, HUGE APPRECIATION, UH, WITH, UH, FOR CHIEF COLVIN AND KRISTEN AND CHARLES, UH, AND, AND DAVE'S NOT HERE, BUT, UH, IN THE PARK SIDE TOO, A LOT OF, UH, UH, MEETINGS AND DISCUSSION AND SOME RESEARCH ON THIS.
AND WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO TAKE IT AND SIMPLIFY IT SO WE DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME INTO FORMALITY AND KIND OF JUST, JUST PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU AND IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT YOU CAN THEN THINK ABOUT IT.
SO FIRST, UH, THE WHY, UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS.
UH, WAIT, DO WE HAVE ANY HANDOUTS OR WE JUST HAVE TO OPERATE FROM THIS? I LIKE TO TAKE NOTES ON STUFF, WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE CAN BE SURE AND GET YOUR HANDOUT.
I, AS WE'RE DOING IT, WE'LL GO PRINT THAT.
I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET HANDOUTS ANYTIME.
WE HAVE A POWERPOINT UP HERE FOR THAT, THAT ONE OUT.
SO THE Y IS, IS OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, WE, WE SHOW SEVEN E-BIKE RELATED CRASHES, UH, JUVENILES BETWEEN SEVEN AND 15 YEARS OLD, UH, FROM AUGUST 24 TO SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
UM, ABRASIONS, LACER, THESE ARE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.
SO ABRASIONS, LACERATIONS, SOME HEAD INJURIES, BROKEN WRISTS, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU SHOULD EXPECT.
UH, ONE BICYCLE CRASH THAT DID NOT INVOLVE AN E-BIKE OR SCOOTER, AN ELECTRONIC ELECTRIC SCOOTER DURING THAT PERIOD.
SO IF, IF, IF, IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION, WELL, IS SEVEN A LOT OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAD ONE ON A REGULAR BICYCLE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, SO I'LL SAY THAT'S JUST THE ONES WE KNOW ABOUT.
THAT'S JUST, THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES WE KNOW ABOUT.
THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER.
SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THE REPORTS FROM CITIZENS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE NUISANCE OF THEM, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE DANGER AND HAZARDS AND ACCIDENTS MISSES AND YES, THE FATALITY WAS OUTSIDE THE CEILING.
SO THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN NASHVILLE CLOSE TO.
AND AGAIN, WHEREVER THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? IT DOES TELL YOU ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WHY IT'S AN INTEREST TO YOU.
UH, SO SORT OF TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE TENNESSEE BICYCLE AND E-BIKE LAWS.
SO BICYCLES ARE ON THE ROAD, ARE LIKE VEHICLES, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS.
THEY MUST FOLLOW THE SAME LAWS AS CARS.
UH, E-BIKES FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS REGULAR BIKES.
THE, THE, THE REASON IS, IS E-BIKES WHEN TO BE AN E-BIKE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S POWER, YOU HAVE PEDALS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE PEDALS BY LAW, YOU'RE A BICYCLE EVEN WITH THE POWER.
SO THEY'RE ALL ONE AND THE SAME FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO THAT MEANS RIDERS MUST RIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE WITH TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, I SAY SUPPOSED TO, I EMPHASIZE THAT A LOT.
OBEY TRAFFIC SIGNS AND SIGNALS.
NOW YOU DON'T, YOU WON'T ALWAYS SEE THAT WHEREVER I'VE BEEN, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT CONSISTENTLY.
BUT, UH, THOSE THAT RIDE REGULARLY
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RECOGNIZE THAT AND PROBABLY ARE MORE SAFETY SENSITIVE.UH, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE HAND SIGNALS WHEN TURNING, UH, HAVE FRONT WHITE LIGHT AND A REAR RED REFLECTOR LIGHT, UH, VISIBLE FROM 500 FEET.
SO THOSE ARE THE RULES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE.
UH, FOR BICYCLES AND E-BIKES, HELMET RULES UNDER 16 HELMETS REQUIRED ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND UNDER 12.
SO PARENTS MUST ENSURE HELMET USE AND CHILD SEAT RESTRAINT.
IF UNDER 40 POUNDS, UH, PROBABLY NOT GONNA SEE SOMEONE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE EIGHT AND 12 YEARS OLD UNDER 40 POUNDS.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A COUPLE CATEGORIES THERE,
BUT ANYWAY, CERTAIN SAFETY EXPECTATIONS THERE AND HELMETS ARE INCLUDED.
THOSE ARE A BIG SAFETY EXPECTATION FOR KIDS.
WE, WE WERE DOWNTOWN LAST WEEKEND, UM, ON SATURDAY, AND THIS WAS MIDDAY.
AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, FEW E-BIKES DOWN THERE GOING REALLY FAST.
AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S HEAVY TRAFFIC AND THEY WERE WEAVING IN AND OUT.
BUT I DID NOTICE ALL OF 'EM HAVE THE PEDALS MM-HMM
WHICH THAT, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO GET AROUND, I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER, BUT I MEAN, THEY WERE OPERATING LIKE MOTORCYCLES.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY WHAT YOU SEE A LOT.
SO THERE ARE THREE CLASSES OF E-BIKES, AND I WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE AN E-BIKE BUT DOESN'T HAVE PEDALS IS NOT AN E-BIKE.
AND UNLESS IT'S PROPERLY LICENSED AND THE DRIVER IS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ILLEGAL.
SO THE THREE CLASSES OF E-BIKES, SO AGAIN, THEY ALL HAVE WORKING PEDALS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PEDAL, BUT THEY HAVE WORKING PEDALS, UM, TWO OR THREE WHEELS, 20 INCHES OR LARGER, AND A MOTOR UNDER 750 WATTS.
SO AS YOU SEE THE CLASS ONE A MAXIMUM SPEED IS 20 MILES PER HOUR AND IT HAS PEDAL ASSIST.
THAT MEANS THE ONLY TIME THAT THE ELECTRIC, UH, ASSISTANCE COMES IN IS WHEN YOU'RE PEDALING A CLASS TWO IS SIMILAR 20 MILES PER HOUR MAXIMUM.
IT HAS PEDAL ASSIST, BUT IT ALSO HAS A SEPARATE THROTTLE.
SO MY WIFE HAS AN E-BIKE AND IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE MY, IT'S A MOUNTAIN BIKE VERSION.
IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE MY MOUNTAIN BIKE, WHICH IS NOT AN E-BIKE.
SO IF YOU SEE US RIDING OUT ON A TRAIL, YOU WILL SEE ME ALMOST DYING, GOING UP THE HILL.
AND SHE LOOKS LIKE MARY POPPINS AND SHE'S NOT EXERTED AT ALL.
AND SO ANYWAY, HER BIKE CAN HAVE PEDAL ASSIST.
YOU CAN SET THAT, OR THERE'S A THROTTLE, YOU CAN USE THE THROTTLE, UM, CLASS THREE, WHICH IS SORT OF INTERESTING.
IT'S FASTER, AS YOU SEE IT GOES UP TO 28 MILES PER HOUR.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD MAKE IT FASTER, NOT GIVE YOU A THROTTLE, BUT THEY DON'T.
SO IT'S JUST PEDAL ASSIST ONLY.
WE HAVE A, A KIND OF A MORE FOCUS.
THERE'S AGAIN, CLASS ONE MOTOR HELPS ONLY WHILE PEDALING UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR.
AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE, UM, YOU'LL SEE ALONG THE, THE MAIN FRAME PIECE OF THE BIKE, IT'LL BE THICKER AND THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THE BATTERY IS.
A CLASS TWO, AGAIN UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR, BUT IT'LL EITHER HELP YOU PEDAL OR YOU HAVE LITTLE THROTTLE YOU CAN PUSH WITH YOUR THUMB USUALLY.
AND IN A CLASS THREE, IT ONLY HELPS WITH PEDALLING AND GOES UP TO 28 MILES PER HOUR.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY MOSTLY WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE THOUGH.
AND THAT GETS INTO WHAT'S ALREADY, UH, ILLEGAL.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY WHAT YOU SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT E-BIKES.
SO WHERE CAN E-BIKES RIDE IN TENNESSEE? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UH, EVERYONE'S ASKING IT CLASSES ONE AND TWO E-BIKES THAT GO UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR, THEY'RE ALLOWED ANYWHERE.
REGULAR BIKES ARE ALLOWED THOUGH CITIES DO HAVE, YOU DO HAVE DISCRETION THAT YOU CAN REGULATE OR PROHIBIT CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO ON PATHS OR TRAILS IF YOU WANT TO.
UH, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
CLASS THREE BIKES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE ALLOWED ON ROADS IF THEY HAVE A SPEEDOMETER.
UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON BIKE PASS TRAILS UNLESS YOU PASS, UH, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE ON YOUR PATH AND TRAILS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, BY DEFAULT, A CLASS THREE IS NOT ALLOWED ON PATHS OR TRAILS JUST ON THE ROAD WITH A SPEEDOMETER.
SO WHAT, WHEREVER WE GO, WE MAY STILL HAVE SOME ORDINANCE CLEANUP, EVEN, EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE DON'T ADDRESS E-BIKES RIGHT NOW.
SO WE, WE MAY VERY WELL WANT TO JUST AT LEAST CLARIFY SOME THINGS.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, UH, CHANGE A LOT, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT ALL E-BIKES.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU BET.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THE MOTOR'S OFF? I MEAN, THE AVERAGE PERSON YOU DON'T, DO YOU HEAR IT OR NO? NO.
AND YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE COMPLEXITY THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE PERFECTLY QUIET, RIGHT? YOU WILL NOT HEAR, YOU WILL NOT HEAR AN E-BIKE.
IT WON'T MAKE A WHISTLE SOUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AT LEAST I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE DO THAT.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, YOU WILL NOTICE AS I, UH, LET ME GO BACK TO
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THE PICTURE.SEE THAT PICTURE? SEE THAT THICK PART OF THE GOLD, UH, BICYCLE FRAME? YEAH.
UH, THAT IS USUALLY WHERE A BATTERY IS AND IT'S USUALLY THICKER ON AN E-BIKE VERSUS A REGULAR BIKE.
MY WIFE'S, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS NOT TERRIBLY THICK.
I NOTICE IT, BUT, UH, SOME OF 'EM ARE EVEN THICKER THAN THAT.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU TYPICALLY KNOW YOU HAVE AN E-BIKE OF SOME KIND.
BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ENFORCING THIS WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND KNOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, I THINK THEY WOULD BE, I KNOW I'LL LOOK AT JIM A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK THEY'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A BIKE PRETTY QUICKLY AND KNOW IT'S AN E-BIKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD INITIALLY FROM A DISTANCE TELL IF IT'S A ONE, TWO, OR THREE.
SO WE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND KNOW THAT IT WAS AN E-BIKE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE UNDER POWER.
THE ONLY TIME WE'RE REALLY GONNA KNOW IS IF THEY'RE JUST USING THE THROTTLE ON A CLASS TWO.
SO IF WE SEE 'EM ZOOMING DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE NOT PEDALING AT ALL.
UH, IT'S A FLAT STRETCH OF GROUND, THEY'RE NOT GOING DOWN A HILL, WE CAN ASSUME THEN THEY'RE STRICTLY UNDER THROTTLE POWER.
UH, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE BIKES THAT WE'RE SEEING ARE CONSIDERED OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES, UH, THAT ARE MORE LIKE A, A ELECTRIC DIRT BIKE.
SO THEY'RE NOT A CLASS ONE, TWO, OR THREE.
THEY'RE A BIKE THAT'S NOT MEANT TO BE ON THE ROADS.
THEY'RE MEANT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE USED BY CHILDREN.
AND THOSE ARE ILLEGAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UNLESS THEY ARE LICENSED, UH, INSURED TREATED LIKE A TRUE VEHICLE.
SO ALL, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND, AND, AND, AND KRISTEN AND I HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES A LITTLE BIT TO, TO DETERMINE HOW CLEARLY WE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND A WIDER MULTI-USE PATH.
BUT I THINK OF SIDEWALK AS A NARROWER FOUR OR FIVE FEET AT THE MOST WITH, UH, A TYPE OF A PATH.
UH, THAT'S PRACTICALLY HOW I LOOK AT IT.
SO ON SIDEWALKS, UH, YOU CAN RIDE E-BIKES IF THE MOTOR IS OFF, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PEDAL UNDER YOUR OWN POWER ONLY, WHICH CAN BE DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE IF YOU HAVE POWER ASSIST.
'CAUSE YOUR FEET ARE GONNA BE MOVING.
IT'S HARD TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO LOOK FROM THE DISTANCE USUALLY AND KNOW THAT UNLESS IT'S A STEEP HILL AND THEY'RE GOING REALLY FAST PEDALLING AND THEY'RE NOT BREATHING HARD, YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL IT'S AN E-BIKE, RIGHT?
UM, AND THEY MUST, AGAIN, THEY MUST FOLLOW TRAFFIC LAWS, BUT NOT ALL, WE WON'T GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS, BUT NOT ALL MOTOR VEHICLE RULES APPLY, BUT IT GOES BACK TO BIKES AND THE TYPICAL APPLICATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR ANY BICYCLE ON THE MOTOR VEHICLE LAWS.
SO, UH, I WANT TO COVER, UH, THE PRELIMINARY, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BIKE WALK BRENTWOOD.
AND THESE ARE SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC PAY PATHS.
YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN THE STREET, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE THERE.
BUT, UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING THIS INPUT.
UH, SO THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS AND, AND THEY INCLUDED E-BIKES AND E SCOOTERS.
NOW WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE SCOOTER.
NOW THE SCOOTER IS THAT SMALL PLATFORM YOU SEE KIDS STANDING ON WITH THE SMALL WHEELS REALLY TALL HANDLEBAR, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY'RE HOLDING IT LIKE THAT.
NOW A LOT OF THOSE ARE ELECTRIC AS WELL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SORT OF CONSIDERING THEM IN THE CATEGORY OF E-BIKES FOR THIS PURPOSE.
BUT I THINK, AGAIN, AS IF WE LOOK INTO ORDINANCE CHANGES, WE JUST NEED TO BE SURE IF WE INTEND TO DO THAT, THAT WE'RE, OUR DEFINITIONS ARE GOOD.
I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING ON, ON RECORD ABOUT SCOOTERS ALREADY.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON RECORD FOR SCOOTERS WERE THE DOCKLESS VEHICLE SYSTEMS TO PREVENT THINGS LIKE THE BIRD SCOOTERS AND THE LIMES FROM JUST BEING DROPPED OFF BY COMPANIES.
SO AGAIN, AS JASON JUST SAID, IT WAS MORE THE COMMERCIAL USE AND THE RENTAL AND THE, WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO TURN INTO DOWNTOWN NASHVILLE WITH THEM JUST BEING DROPPED ON THE CORNER.
WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM HERE YET IN OTHER CITIES, I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TAKES ON THIS.
LIKE THE SINGLE WHEEL, UM, ELECTRIC YEAH, YOU KIND OF STAND OVER.
YOU'VE SEEN SOMETHING THAT LOOK LIKE SNOWBOARDS TO THE BIG WHEEL IN THE MIDDLE.
IN FACT, I HAVE SEEN THAT IN BRENTWOOD.
THERE WAS A GUY DURING COVID USED TO RIDE ONE DOWN IN CON ROAD CON ROAD.
I KNOW THAT DEFINITELY POSSIBILITY.
THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY BALANCE ALL WE'RE DOING THIS IF THOSE THINGS FALL UNDER THE SCOOTER PART OF THIS, OR IF THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLASS OF VEHICLES FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE DEFINITION, BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE COVERED IN IT.
IT MIGHT SAY ONE TO, IT MIGHT SAY ONE TO THREE WHEELS.
SO THEY MIGHT BE, I, I HONESTLY DON'T REMEMBER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PROBABLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S A 20 INCH WHEEL, 20 INCHES A BMX BICYCLE.
THOSE ARE ABOUT 12 INCH WHEELS SMALLER.
THE DEFINITION OF SCOOTER IS SEPARATE FROM THE BIKE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, WHETHER THEY WENT UNDER THE SCOOTER, AND I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL.
SO I'M SURE BECAUSE I MEAN ABSOLUTELY.
I SAID, AND I'LL SAY RIGHT UP FRONT, I'VE GOT MIXED FEELINGS IN THE SENSE I WANT HAVE SAFETY, BUT I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE NON-CAR WEIGHTS, RIGHT.
WHICH I THINK WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT, NOT LESS IMPORTANT IF
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CONGESTION KEEPS BEING AN ISSUE.SO IT MAY BE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CATEGORICALLY BLOCK YEAH, PROHIBIT 'EM.
IT MAY BE THAT WHEREVER YOU GO WITH E-BIKES, YOU MAY STILL WISH TO GO WITH SCOOTERS AND THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LEC ELECTRIC.
AND IF SO, WE JUST WILL NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE DRAFT SOMETHING THAT THE DEFINITIONS ARE INCLUDE THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ON OUR, UH, LIST OF THINGS TO CONSIDER IN THERE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BIKE WALK BRENTWOOD IS ALLOW CLASS ONE AND TWO E-BIKES AND E SCOOTERS, WHICH GO UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR.
JUST IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T BAN 'EM.
UH, BUT CONSIDER BANNING CLASS THREE E-BIKES THAT GO UP TO 28 IN GOLF CARTS.
NOW GOLF CARTS RIGHT NOW ARE, YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, THERE MAY BE OCCASIONAL ENFORCEMENT WHERE WE CATCH 'EM OUT THERE, BUT, BUT GENERALLY WE ADDRESS 'EM.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS APPLIES TO PUBLIC PATHS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING TO GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY'RE GONNA TALK MORE AND TELL US IF THERE'S ANY, UH, CHANGE IN THE PERSPECTIVE ON IN PUBLIC, PUBLIC ROADWAYS AND JUST GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
AND SO SOME RECOMMENDED RULES FOR SAFER SHARED PATHS, THINGS THEY'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER.
SPEED LIMIT MAXIMUM 15 MILES PER HOUR FOR BIKES, E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS.
ONE OF THE THING, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE, EVEN IN PARKS, YOU'D WANT THEM TO GO SLOWER.
WITH TRAILS AND PARKS, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEARING SOME OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
WE, WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, WHAT YOU MAY WANNA PERCOLATE ON IS, IS IT'S FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY.
YOU COULD CREATE AN ENFORCEABLE SPEED LIMIT, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
SO AN OPTION COULD BE A CAUTIONARY SPEED LIMIT.
THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS YOU CAN SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOU RIDING ANY FASTER HERE.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT, UH, UH, AN ENFORCEABLE, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
I WON'T SAY IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANNA TAKE TIME OFF FROM OTHER ENFORCEMENT TO DO THAT IN, IN THOSE PLACES.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
BUT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE 15 MILES PER HOUR MAXIMUM.
UH, SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT PROBABLY GONNA BE PART OF OUR EDUCATION.
AND, AND, UH, SIGNAGE, PERHAPS PEDESTRIAN PRIORITY.
THAT'S ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CASE, RIGHT? YOU YIELD TO WALKERS, YOU SLOW DOWN, YOU ANNOUNCE WHEN PASSING YOU, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE THE LITTLE BELLS ON THE BICYCLES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUSY AREAS, WHATEVER WE CONSIDER TO BE A BUSY AREA.
DISMOUNT, SLOW ZONES, NEAR PLAYGROUNDS AND TRAILHEADS.
AND I THINK WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
UH, PATH HOURS, NO CHANGE THERE.
EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT USE SIGNS, OUTREACH, OCCASIONAL PATROLS.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE, WE DO SIGNS.
DO WE NEED TO EXPAND? DEPENDS WHERE WE GO HERE ON WHAT WE MESSAGE WE WANNA SEND.
YOU DON'T WANT A PROLIFERATION OF SIGNS ON ALL YOUR TRAILS AND ALL YOUR PARKS, BUT THERE ARE PLACES YOU CAN PUT THOSE THAT MAKES SENSE.
IF THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER IT'S SPEED, WHETHER IT'S SOME OF THESE, UH, UH, PROTOCOLS THAT YOU WANT TO EMPHASIZE, RIGHT? AND, AND JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA EDUCATE YOU RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS THROUGH OTHER MEANS.
SO THOSE ARE GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THE HARDEST THING FOR US WILL BE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A A, A INTER ENFORCEABLE SPEED LIMIT.
I THINK HAVING A SPEED LIMIT IN SOME FORM MAKES GREAT SENSE BECAUSE 20 MILES PER HOUR IS TOO FAST IN SOME OF THESE PLACES.
WELL, I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SLOW DOWN IF IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE CITY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN THROUGH EDUCATION, EXPLAIN WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
LIKE, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT TAKE THEIR LITTLE KIDS TO LEARN TO RIDE A BIKE, RIGHT? LIKE AT THE LIBRARY OR, UH, ONE OF GRANNY WHITE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT 'EM ON THOSE LOOPS FLYING.
THEY, THEY CAN BE THERE, BUT RESPECTFULLY, AND MY HUSBAND WOULD BE ON HIS WALKER ON THAT.
SOMEBODY WOULD GO FLY AND DIE AND SCARE HIM TO DEATH.
BUT, UH, I THINK WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE, HOPEFULLY.
BUT I SAW A GRANDMOTHER ON TV THE OTHER NIGHT IN THE CITY THAT WAS MAKING GOLF CART LEGAL ON THE CITY STREETS.
AND SHE HAD HER THREE GRANDCHILDREN SITTING IN THE BACK FACING THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
AND SHE AND THE REPORTER SAID, AND YOU CONSIDER THIS SAFE, YOU SAY, OH, I WOULDN'T HAVE MY GRANDCHILDREN HERE IF I DID.
AND I'M NOT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T THINK LIKE WE'RE TALKING THIS MORNING, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS SO LOGICAL.
IT'S GONNA BE A REAL CAMPAIGN.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, THOSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE THE INTERSTATE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TRAVEL, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THIS WHERE TRAFFIC'S GONNA FLOW AT WHATEVER SPEED.
AND SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE ZIGZAGGING IN.
AND YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE TRAVELING THAT FAST, THERE'S A, THEY THINK OR NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT MOVEMENT THEY'RE TRYING TO PREDICT YOUR MOVEMENT WHEN THERE'S ZIGZAGGING IN AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE SPEED, THERE'S A LIMITED REACTION TIME.
AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO CHANGE LANES AT THE TIME, THERE'S ZIGZAGGING IN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY EITHER,
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UH, INDIVIDUAL TO, TO, TO, OR EITHER VEHICLE TO OFFSET THAT.AND YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT, THIS IS KIND OF THE SAME THING, RIGHT? AT A AT A LOCALIZED LEVEL, YOU'RE WALKING AT A CERTAIN SPEED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE GOES BY REALLY FAST, THEY ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON YOU TAKE A STEP OUT OF THAT, YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCIDENT.
THE, THE REAL PROBLEM ON THE TRAILS, 'CAUSE I WALK 'EM ALL THE TIME, IS WHAT I CALL A MULTIPLE COMPLEX SITUATION.
YOU'VE GOT WALKERS OR RUNNERS ON THIS SIDE, AND THEY'RE STAGGERED, BUT ONLY MAYBE 30, 40, 50 FEET.
AND OF COURSE THE RUNNERS CATCHING THE WALKERS MM-HMM
AND THEN ON THIS SIDE, YOU'VE GOT A MOM, MAYBE A GRANDMOM AND A STROLLER, AND THEN BEHIND THEM YOU'VE GOT A RUNNER.
AND THEN BEHIND THEM YOU'VE GOT A REALLY FAST WALKER AND SUDDENLY COMING AROUND, ONE OF THE CURVES IS A BIKE GOING ABOUT 25, 30 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REACTION TIME.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY PASS ON THE LEFT, THAT'S FULL BECAUSE IT'S ON, I SEE IT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
FORTUNATELY I'VE NOT SEEN ANYBODY GET RUN OVER.
BUT, UM, THE, BUT I KNOW OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE.
BUT THEN ALSO THE INVERSE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY ON, UH, LIKE WHEN I WALK AT CROCKETT PARK, AND SOMETIMES I'LL WALK AROUND SCHOOL TIMES JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY MY WORK SCHEDULE IS.
AND IT, IT'S AMAZING, WHICH THIS WEEK WANT TO PROMOTE HOW MANY CHILDREN, SOMETIMES WITH PARENTS, IF THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER BY THEMSELVES, RIDE THEIR BIKES TO, TO CROCKETT OR, OR, OR WOODLAND, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCHOOL TIME IS, ESPECIALLY FROM CONCORD HUNT, INDIAN POINT.
AND THEY COME RIGHT THROUGH THOSE PATHS AND MOST OF 'EM ARE DOING PRETTY GOOD.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET EIGHT OR NINE BOYS GOING TOGETHER AND THERE'S KIND OF A COMPETITION GOING ON MM-HMM
WHICH PRETTY NORMAL FOR, FOR THAT, BUT YEP.
BUT, BUT YOU HAVE YOUNG LADIES RIDING THEIR BIKES OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'VE GOT LITTLE BACKPACKS ON THEIR BACK THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE.
AND IT, I, IT'S RARE YOU SEE 'EM GOING TO SPEED.
THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE ISSUE OF RIVER PARKS LIKE THAT.
SOMETIMES A PARK LIKE AL CREEK YOU WOULDN'T BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A LOOP MM-HMM
SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU JUST DON'T GET A LOT OF BIKE RIDERS THERE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.
BUT THE PARKS WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B OR BIKERS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE ROADS, BUT WANT TO RIDE FROM THE LIBRARY TO SMITH PARK AND BACK, EVEN JUST FOR EXERCISE, A LOT OF 'EM ARE VERY GOOD PASSING ON THE LEFT.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, I'VE SEEN SOME SITUATIONS WHERE I WAS THINKING, OH MY GOD, THAT NINE MONTH OLD BABY'S GONNA GET WIPED OUT MM-HMM
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU POLICE THIS THOUGH? IT'S DIFFICULT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE IN THE PARKS, OR IS IT JUST EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M IN THERE ENOUGH.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THE, I'M NOT SPEAKING FROM THE CHIEF OVER HERE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR BIKE PATROLS YEAH.
OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT WE HAVE AT THE CONCERTS OR WHATEVER.
AND I'VE EVEN SEEN VEHICLES COMING UP THE, THE PAST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN CERTAIN AREAS JUST KIND OF EASING IN AND, AND LOOKING, PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY DO IT, AND I'VE NEVER NECESSARILY BEEN A PROPONENT OF THIS, WOULD BE TO HAVE PARK RANGERS.
AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT DO THAT, AND THEY JUST LITERALLY SPEND ALL DAY GOING ON THE TRAILS OR TO THE PLAYGROUNDS WITH TENNIS COURTS AND JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THE RULES.
BECAUSE EVEN IF, AND JIM'S OVER THERE IF HE WANTS TO COMMENT, BUT EVEN IF THE POLICE ARE THERE, UM, A BIKE SOMEWHERE ON A BIKE'S GOT AN ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO
I MEAN, IT'S, AND I'M NOT, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING, BUT YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT TOO.
I, YEAH, I THINK, UH, LET JIM GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO IT.
UM, IT'S, IT YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN ENFORCE ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT FOR THE MOST PART.
AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF RESOURCES AS MUCH AS ANYTHING.
UH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD INCREASE OUR ENFORCEMENT ON.
WE, WE ARE STOPPING MORE E-BIKES.
UH, WE ARE ENFORCING MORE HELMET LAWS.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT RESTRICTED IN HOW FAR WE CAN GO WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THE STATE SAYS WE SHALL ISSUE A WARNING ON THE FIRST HELMET VIOLATION.
WE DON'T ISSUE WARNINGS TO 12 AND 13-YEAR-OLD KIDS.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSE.
THEY DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE THAT HAS A TAG ON IT.
SO, UH, WE'VE HAD TO FIND SOME WAYS TO DO THAT INTERNALLY.
AND WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE RETRAINED SOME OF OUR FOLKS TO LET THEM KNOW IF YOU SEE, UH, WHAT APPEARS TO BE A BICYCLE OR A MOTORCYCLE, IT DOESN'T HAVE PEDALS.
IT'S TRAVELING 35, 40 MILES PER HOUR.
THAT'S A VEHICLE THAT YOU NEED TO STOP.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR PREFERRED RESPONSE FOR JUVENILES BY GENERAL ORDER IS, IS A WARNING.
UH, SO WE TRY TO CONTACT THE PARENTS AND EDUCATE THEM, BUT WE'RE DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
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THAT MESSAGE SPREADS.AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THROUGH THESE CAMPAIGNS AND THROUGH SOME OF OUR ENFORCEMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE PARENTS WILL BECOME AWARE AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE HAD NOT TO PUT MORE ADMIN.
NICK SURY SENDS US THAT REPORT EVERY WEEK.
IF THERE WAS A TAB THAT INCLUDED INFORMATION ABOUT WARNINGS OR CITATIONS GIVEN, WOULD THAT BE A, A BIG, A BIG ASK TO SAY, COULD WE, COULD WE START GETTING A REPORT ON THAT ONCE A, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONCE A WEEK, ONCE A MONTH.
I JUST THINK AS COMMISSIONERS, I PERSONALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE YOU.
OR EVEN JUST A COUNT OF HOW MANY YEAH.
LIKE IF THERE 15 OR WE HAVE A MONTHLY OF REPORT THAT WE DO EVERY MONTH.
UH, IT BREAKS OUT A LOT OF THE CITATIONS THAT WE ISSUE.
UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I COULD SHARE.
WE CAN SOME OF THAT IN OUR MONTHLY REPORT ANYWAY.
I, I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, I MEAN THE MONTHLY REPORT HAS, HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT RECENTLY, BUT, UM, YEAH, THERE'S EVERY MONTH WE PUT TOGETHER THAT DATA, UH, NOW IT'S NOT GONNA SPECIFICALLY SAY E-BIKES ON THERE, UM, BUT IT'LL HAVE, UH, THE DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS LISTED.
I THINK I TELL ABOUT A MONTH AGO ON FELL S BUT APPROACHING RAGSDALE, BUT I TURNED OFF A WILSON PIKE AND STARTED UP, AND IT MUST'VE BEEN ONE OF THE ONES WITHOUT THE PEDALS.
AND I WOULD SAY IT WAS DOING ALL OF 45 MILES AN HOUR UP THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH.
AND IT WAS IN THE EVENING WHERE IT WAS STILL DAYLIGHT WHERE PEOPLE WERE WALKING.
BUT I MEAN, I DID A DOUBLE TAKE.
I'M LIKE, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IF THAT'S A PEDAL BIKE, OH MY GOSH.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS FLYING AND I, IT WAS PROBABLY A 13, 14, 15-YEAR-OLD.
AND, AND, AND I THOUGHT, AH, THAT COULDN'T BE ILLEGAL ON THAT PATH,
SO IT'S NOT NUMBERS OF EBI ONE CLASS, SECOND, THIRD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USE.
IF YOU, YOU TELL 'EM IF YOU SEE 'EM WITH NO PEDALS AND THEY'RE FLYING THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, ILLEGAL.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER ONES? YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SEEM TO BE PADDLING ALONG, BUT THEY'RE GOING TOO FAST.
SAME PROCESS OF WARNING, AND IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? YES, MA'AM.
I MEAN, WE, WE COULD ENFORCE, UH, RULES OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? SO IF WE SEE SOMEONE, LIKE YESTERDAY, UH, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WAS DRIVING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND A YOUNG MAN JUST WENT STRAIGHT THROUGH A STOP SIGN, MADE A TURN, WENT INTO THE OTHER LANE OF TRAVEL.
UH, AND SO HE WAS ON AN E-BIKE.
HE WAS PULLED OVER BY THE OFFICER.
THE OFFICER EDUCATED THE YOUNG MAN.
HE WAS VERY POLITE AND RESPECTFUL.
CONTACTED THE PARENTS, SENT HIM ON HIS WAY.
NOW THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE I, I CAME RIGHT OUT OF THE PURITANS, BUT
IF THEY DO IT A SECOND TIME, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS SAY $50 FINE.
CAN WE CONFISCATE A BIKE FOR A MONTH AND THEN GIVE IT BACK? I MEAN, I THINK THAT SENDS A PRETTY STRONG MESSAGE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY A TEENAGER'S PHONE, THAT SENDS A BETTER MESSAGE.
SAY, NOW YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.
SO THESE CITATIONS WILL NOT GO THROUGH OUR CITY COURT.
THEY WILL GO TO JUVENILE COURT WHERE THE JUVENILE CITATIONS ARE HEARD.
WELL THEN WE NEED TO TALK WITH THE JUDGE AND SEE IF THAT, I MEAN, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I MEAN, ARE WE JUST BLOWING SMOKE HERE? THAT WE HAVE NO REAL HOPE OR CHANGING ANYTHING OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT LAW VIOLATION IS JUST A FEW DOLLARS.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING TO SOMETHING.
DO PARENTS HAVE TO ATTEND COURT WITH THEM? SO THEY TYPICALLY DO PARENT GUARDIAN, AND IF THE CHILD IS UNDER 12 YEARS OLD, WE CAN CITE THE PARENT, WHICH WE WOULD CITE THEM INTO OUR COURT.
THE, THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS THAT THE PARENT HAVING TO GO TO COURT IS PROBABLY, AND SO YOU WOULD HOPE THE PARENT WOULD THEN GO, YOU'RE GROUNDED OFF THAT FOR THREE MONTHS.
BUT IT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT TO EDUCATE THE FIRST TIME AND THEN SECOND TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY, AND I GUESS Y'ALL TALK WITH THE JUVENILE COURT THAT'S IN FRANKLIN AND YES, SIR.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, IT'S A, I'M SURE IT'S AN ISSUE DOWN THERE TOO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF OR FOR KRISTEN, BUT I MEAN, AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE, AND I HATE TO WAIT FOR AN INCIDENT TO HAVE A CONSEQUENCE, BUT IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT, DOES THAT MAKE THE, THE LIKELY CIVIL SUIT OR WHATEVER ELSE IS PROBABLY GONNA COME FROM AN INCIDENT? DOES THAT HELP BUILD A CONSEQUENCE WHERE THE PARENTS SAY,
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HEY, KIDS DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE IF YOU DO THIS AND THERE'S A PROBLEM, THERE'S GONNA BE AN UNWINABLE LAWSUIT HERE.IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND DOES THAT BUILD IN SOME CONSEQUENCE? THAT'S PART OF THE EDUCATION PROGRAM THAT HELPS BUILD SOME, I GUESS, URGENCY AROUND THIS.
AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS I, I DON'T LOVE TO SAY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OBJECTION CALLS FOR SPECULATION, BUT NO, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, MY, IT'S A VALID TIME.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
MY BIGGEST SOMETHING CONCERN, MY BIGGEST CONCERN TO PROTECT THE CITY IS PUTTING IN A REGULATION THAT WE CANNOT ENFORCE.
I THINK THAT EXPOSES US MORE THAN HAVING, THAN ME WORRYING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S CIVIL SUIT.
AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT'S MY, I'M JUST WONDERING, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IF WE PUT A REGULATION IN PLACE THAT WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MANPOWER TO STAFF MM-HMM
THEN, THEN THAT BECOMES A SUIT AGAINST US THAT SAYS YOU HAD, YOU CHOSE TO NOT ENFORCE IT.
SO, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT IS WHEN I GET CONCERNED.
SO, SO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL YES.
WE USE X AMOUNT AND WILLING AND ABLE TO HOURS A MONTH, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE ON RECORD POLICE DEPARTMENT, X AMOUNT OF HOURS PATROLLING MM-HMM
AND CAN SHOW WE THEN, THEN I GUESS WE COULD SAY WE ARE ENFORCING IT.
LIKELY HE, UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK ON THAT OF THE CHIEF TO SAY THAT HE HAS STAFF TO DO THAT.
NOW, THE SPEED QUESTION, OBVIOUSLY LIKE IN TRAFFIC YOU HAVE A, A SPEED GUN THAT, UH, A RADAR, UH, TYPE SITUATION.
I WOULD, I ASSUME YOU HAVE PROBABLY, YOU HAVE THE HANDHELD TYPE UNITS.
SO TECHNICALLY SPEAKING YOU COULD GO CHECK SPEEDS AND YOU WOULD NEED TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY THEY'RE SPEEDING, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE TO SPEED, RIGHT? UM, PRACTICALLY THAT'S NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO.
BUT YOU COULD OCCASIONALLY PERHAPS DO THAT.
WE WERE TALKING EARLIER AS WELL ABOUT SPEEDING AS PART OF IT.
ARE THERE CERTAIN, UH, SPEEDING COMBINED, ESPECIALLY COMBINED WITH NOT FOLLOWING SOME OF THE OTHER PROTOCOLS, CREATES MORE HAZARD, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU NOT PROVIDING WARNING? ARE YOU DRIVING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU BEING RECKLESS? WHAT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DEFINE THAT.
BUT A LOT OF THAT'S PRETTY SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? IN THE END, A LOT OF THAT'S STILL PRETTY SUBJECTIVE.
AND SO AS WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT BE, WE KIND OF WENT INTO THAT GRAY AREA OF, WELL, BOY, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD DO THIS OR YOU COULD DO THAT OR DO THE OTHER, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL 'CAUSE IT IS PRETTY SUBJECTIVE.
AND IT'S KIND OF LABOR INTENSIVE TO CHASE IT TOO.
AND SO YOU START TO WEIGH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KNEW WE WANTED TO GET YOUR, GET YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT WE KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THE ONE THING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO IS, IS WE NEED TO EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE.
RIGHT? WE NEED TO EDUCATE THROUGH THE SCHOOLS, WORK WITH THEM USING, MIGHT WALK BRENTWOOD TO WHATEVER DEGREE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
OR CAN BE, UM, INFORMATION WE CAN PUT OUT IN DIFFERENT FORMS. WE WANNA TRY TO SATURATE IF WE CAN ON THAT EDUCATE WHEN WE DO FIND, UH, UH, THE VIOLATOR PERHAPS, UH, SOMEONE MAY NOT WEAR A HELMET, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE 'EM.
UM, SO WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, AND AGAIN, COMING BACK TO LIKE SPEED, INITIALLY, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A, WHAT I'D CALL A CAUTIONARY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A FULLY ENFORCEABLE, BECAUSE IT'S AN EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY THAT SAYS WE WANT YOU TO GO 10 HERE OR 15 THERE, OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
MAYBE IT'S 10 IN THE PARKS ON THE TRAILS, MAYBE IT'S 15 ON THE MULTI-USE PASS.
BUT WHATEVER IT IS, PUT IT OUT THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A RULE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, MOST OF 'EM BE LIKE, YEAH, I SHOULD SLOW DOWN.
YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS THOUGH.
THAT'S NOT IN THEIR VOCABULARY.
UM, AND, AND IT EDUCATES THE PARENTS A LITTLE BIT TO HELP EDUCATE THE KIDS BECAUSE PART OF OUR EDUCATION ACTUALLY IS TO THE PARENTS BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THE PARENTS DON'T REALLY QUITE REALIZE WHAT THESE THINGS ARE.
AND, AND IT'S, WE'RE LEARNING, WE'RE ALL LEARNING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND IT'S ABOUT EDUCATING THE PARENTS, THEN PARENT TO KID WITH THOSE.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST EFFECT THAT GRANDMOTHER YES.
YOU'D THINK ANYBODY WOULD KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT SO MM-HMM
IT'S GONNA NOT JUST BE KIDS, BUT IT'S GONNA BE OTHER PEOPLE.
DO WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR EDUCATION? AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GO ALL IN ON GETTING THIS MESSAGE OUT.
ONE THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, CAN I, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY REAL QUICK, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS.
UH, BUT WE, I'M SURE WE COULD DO QUITE A LOT OF EDUCATION WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET WE HAVE.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK DEEPER AND SAY WHAT'S THE WHOLE PACKAGE LOOK LIKE? AND THEN, AND THEN WHAT'S OUR PART? WHAT'S THE SCHOOL'S PART? WHAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PART? I THINK WE COULD DO A LOT WITHOUT COMING BACK AND SAYING, GIVE US $20,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COURSE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IF YOU CAN'T COME ASK.
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
WE, WE HAD TALKED ON THE PARK BOARD ABOUT HAVING AN EDUCATIONAL TR DOING SOMETHING, WORKING WITH,
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UM, THE, LIKE THE DARE OFFICERS WHEN THEY GO IN AND THEY TALK ABOUT TO SCHOOLS AND TRYING TO GO TO THE PARK AND HAVE A, A DAY AT THE PARK WHERE WE'RE PASSING OUT SOME, SOME SORT OF, UH, RECOGNIZING GOOD BEHAVIOR AND, AND REINFORCING THAT GOOD BEHAVIOR.LIKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELMET WORKING WITH, UM, UM, BLANK LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD, SEEING IF ONE OF THEM WILL HELP, UM, HOW THEY DO THEIR PROJECTS MM-HMM
TO, TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP BRING AWARENESS OF, UM, OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN EDUCATION MORE THAN ANYTHING.
BUT SOMEBODY SUGGESTED, JUST LIKE THEY GO TO THE SCHOOLS AND THEY SHOW THE DRUNK DRIVING, UM, THE, THE CONSEQUENCES TO SHOW HOW, YOU KNOW, BEING RECKLESS ON AN E-BIKE AND THE DANGERS OF THAT AND EDUCATING IN THAT, IN THAT SAME KIND OF WAY.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE GO INTO THE PARKS AND HAVE A DAY OF EDUCATION ON E-BIKES.
I THINK ONE THING COULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAVE A LINK ON OUR WEBSITE AND, AND PROMOTE THAT WHERE, I MEAN THAT INFORMATION WE GOT WHERE YOU READ ABOUT E-BIKES, I WAS STUNNED.
MAYBE EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT THE PART WHERE, THE PART WHERE THEY ADD PEDALS JUST TO, SO THEY CAN CALL IT AN E-BIKE.
THAT'S LIKE THOSE PEOPLE TO ME THAT PRINT, YOU KNOW, THEY BUY GUNS THAT AREN'T AUTOMATIC, BUT THEY HAVE THE ADD-ON.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD, MIGHT READ THAT.
I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS THAT THEY WORRY ABOUT, IF WE COULD POST JUST EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT E-BIKES, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A REPORTER WHO USED TO BE WITH NEWS CHANNEL FIVE.
AND SHE'S A GRADUATE OF BRENTWOOD HIGH, BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL.
AND, YOU KNOW, SHE MIGHT HELP, AND THEN, I HATE TO SAY THIS, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE CHIEF.
IT WAS EITHER A POLICE OR A FIRE NEW HIRE THAT WE HAD RECENTLY.
AND HIS WIFE IS A NEWS CHANNEL, UH, TWO CHANNEL, TWO NEWS REPORTER.
THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE MAYBE WE COULD REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOME, SOME LOCAL STUFF.
SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT EDUCATING AS WELL IS AS MORE OF THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND REALIZES IF EDUCATION DOESN'T WORK, AND WE DO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF ENFORCEMENT THAT WILL BE ASKED FOR BY THE CITIZENS, NOT PUT ON THE CITIZENS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK GIVE EDUCATION A CHANCE, AND IF IT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT PERKING OR GETTING MULTIPLE INJURIES, AND THE PEOPLE I WOULD WORRY ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON THE BIKE WHO GET HIT BY THE BIKE.
UNEXPECTEDLY, YOU KNOW, HITS 'EM FROM BEHIND OR WHATEVER.
AND SO I THINK THE EDUCATION PATH IS GOOD.
AND THESE ARE KIND OF, IT IS KIND OF A NEW THING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, BUT THEY ARE, LIKE, THEY WERE POPULAR IN PLACES WHERE PEOPLE DO A LOT OF MOUNTAIN BIKING.
AND OF COURSE WE DO HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKING HERE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE COLORADO OR MM-HMM
CALIFORNIA OR IDAHO OR PLACES LIKE THAT.
BUT NOW THEY'RE REALLY POPULAR HERE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PARENTS, PARENTS DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW FAST THEY GO.
THAT THEY REALLY ARE LIKE A IN MY DAY WOULD'VE BEEN A 50 CC MINI BY FIVE CC MINI BY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, 30 MILES AN HOUR OR SOMETHING THAT SMALL.
IF YOU WRECK IT, IT'S A GOOD WRECK.
SOME OF THESE VEHICLES ARE JUST ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES.
WELL, AND TO, THEY'RE NOT EVEN, THEY'RE STILL WEARING A BICYCLE HELMET WHERE IT, IT, IT, IT SHOULD BE A MOTORCYCLE HELMET.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW UNEDUCATED THE PARENTS ARE AS FAR, THAT'S A VERY CHOICE.
THE, UM, THE HELMETS AND, AND THEY WON'T BUCKLE THEM.
AND I MEAN, WE, WE WALK ALL THE TIME AT BRENTWOOD HIGH AND YOU CAN WATCH THE KIDS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE THE HELMET ON, BUT THE FLAPS OF THE
THEY'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CRAZY.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LIVES OUT WEST AND THEY SENT A, UM, A VIDEO OF, THEY HAD GONE TO A FOOTBALL GAME AND THE NUMBER OF SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES THAT WERE JUST ALL PILED UP, WHICH IS GREAT.
'CAUSE THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING CARS.
NO, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC, SO.
BUT I MEAN, IT IS THAT THE PARENTS DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT THEY'RE EVEN BUYING THEIR KIDS AND THE PRICE IS COMING DOWN AND IT'S IN THIS AREA ESPECIALLY.
AND TO YOUR POINT, THE, THOSE SINGLE, UM, THE SKATEBOARD, IT'S ALMOST LIKE ELECTRIC SKATEBOARDS THAT ARE ONE WHEEL AND SOMETIMES MORE.
THOSE ARE BECOMING A THING NOW.
IT NEEDS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GROWING, ELECTRIFYING OUR LIVES, AREN'T WE? SO CAN I JUST, JUST, JUST TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, UM, THE VANDERBILT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL HAS
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A PEDIATRIC TRAUMA EDUCATION TEAM.UM, SO THEY COME OUT, LIKE THEY, THEY DO SOME BIKE SAFETY THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD QUALIFY FOR DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A PLACE TO, TO CONTACT BECAUSE THEY, UM, THEY'RE MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH HEAD INJURIES.
UH, BUT THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE SOME RESOURCES OUT THERE.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME LITERATURE THAT RIGHT.
FOR OUR EDUCATION THING, WE USE IT YES.
LIKE ANCILLARY TO WHATEVER WE DO.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY USE STUFF ABOUT CAR SEAT HELMETS, ATDS, UH, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, THE SECOND IS MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT'S UNDERSTANDS CHILD DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE WHAT I SAW IN THE Y PARKING LOT THE OTHER DAY WITH THE GROUP OF KIDS THAT WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE AGE OF 12 AND 14 THAT HAD THE CLASS TWOS, ONE OF THEM WAS PEDALING AS HE WENT OFF THE SIDEWALK, AND THE OTHER ONES JUST GOT ON THE BIKE, THROTTLE ON POPPING OFF THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE CLASS TWOS IN PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, THAT AREN'T MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
AND SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW FOR CLASS TWOS AND WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA USE THEM AND WHERE ARE THEY GONNA BE ALLOWED TO BE USED.
YOU TALKING ABOUT AGE RESTRICTION, IT'S AGE RESTRICTION OR NOT ON THE BIKE PATHS, YOU KNOW, UM, OR THAT, OR, UH, I THINK WHEN I TALKED TO THE CHIEF THE OTHER DAY, HE SAID THAT, UM, THEY WERE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE DOING IF THEY SAW THEM NOT PEDALING, WAS MAKING 'EM TURN OFF THE BIKE AND PEDAL.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT CLASS TWOS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY.
UM, AND FOR THE CLASS THREES, WE DO NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE, I I'M SURE THIS ALL DEVELOP, BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE MULTI-USE TRAIL ON SPLIT LOG? CAN PEOPLE BE ON A CLASS THREE? OR IS IT ON, ARE WE TALKING MORE THE BIKE LANES ON MURRAY LANE? UH, UH, GRANNY WHITE, YOU KNOW THAT, WHEN YOU SAY NEXT TO THE ROAD, WHICH ONES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
AND THINK KRISTEN CAN GO AHEAD.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S, A LOT OF IT IS GONNA BE, JASON AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND KIND OF TRYING TO SORT THROUGH IT.
A LOT OF IT MIGHT BE WHAT IT'S PLOTTED AS AND WHAT IT IS SHOWN AS.
UM, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK MOST OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE A PATH TRAIL FOR WHICH CLASS THREE IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED.
THAT WE WILL HAVE TO OPT INTO.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO OPT INTO IT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO OPT INTO IT, AND I MAY, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S THE WAY THE GROUP IS HEADED WITH THAT.
BUT THIS IS A MINUTIA QUESTION, BUT, UM, FRANKLIN ROAD AND OR CONCORD ROAD, THOSE PATH THAT GO ALONG, SINCE THAT'S A STATE ROUTE MM-HMM
DO WE HAVE JURISDICTION ON THE PATH? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR JIM TOO.
I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, WE DO FOR, FOR, UM, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AS FAR AS REGULATING, SINCE THAT WAS BUILT AS PART OF THE PROJECT PROJECT, I THINK WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO HAVE, IF WE CHOSE TO ENFORCE SOME KIND OR IMPLEMENT SOME KIND OF REGULATIONS, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THE OKAY FROM TDOT TO DO THAT.
WHICH, WHICH I'M GUESS, BUT WHICH I'M, THEY PROBABLY WOULD GET, BUT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY CONFUSING.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S NOT ON THIS PATH, BUT IF IT'S A STATE ROAD, YOU'RE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT MADE ME THINK OF THAT, IS TRYING TO MAKE IT U IF WE DO SOMETHING, MAKE IT UNIFORM.
I DON'T YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE OFF.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
ON THE LINE OF QUESTIONING, DO WE, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE IS A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION LIKE E-BIKE OR E SCOOTER? IS THERE SUCH A THING? I, I DON'T KNOW OF ONE.
I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S A GOVERNING BODY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
I MEAN, THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLES IS KIND OF DIPPING ITS TOE, BUT IT'S, IT'S SUCH A EVOLVING YEAH.
WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.
IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.
IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF CAN PROJECT OUT.
LIKE, DON'T RIDE THREE AS, UH, ABREAST ON THESE THINGS.
AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO MAKE A PRONOUNCEMENT THAT YOU'RE COMING UP SIGN BEHIND SOMEBODY AT 28 OR HIGHER MILES PER HOUR, RIGHT? IS THAT A WHISTLE, A BELL, A HEY, YOU GET OUT OF MY WAY.
WHAT IS THAT? YOU, YOU HIT ON SOMETHING, STEVE, BECAUSE AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MOST OF THE PROTOCOLS ARE JUST THE SAME FOR REGULAR BICYCLES, RIGHT.
AND IF THEY DID THAT AND SLOWED DOWN, WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
AND A LOT OF TRADE ORGANIZATIONS DON'T WANT ITEMS MISUSED BECAUSE IT OPENS, IF IT BECOMES UNPOPULAR, THEN PEOPLE DON'T BUY 'EM FOR THEIR KIDS.
AND THAT HURTS THEIR, SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IF THERE IS A TRADE ORGANIZATION FOR YEAH.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE, I DON'T KNOW, WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALREADY, BUT LIKE IF YOU GET A TICKET AND YOU GET A WARNING, BUT THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO GO TO TRAFFIC SCHOOL.
TRAFFIC SCHOOL, WHICH REQUIRES AN INTERACTION IF, WHETHER THAT'S ONLINE OR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND YOU WATCH THESE VIDEOS OF PEOPLE IN CRASHES AND THEN RESPOND TO THE QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS
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THAT.AND SEE, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT DOES IS IT CREATES A MOMENT WHERE THE PEOPLE STOP AND THINK ABOUT THE SITUATION.
SOMEBODY OUT THERE IN THE HALL LOOKING FOR SOME HELP ON THAT.
I THINK HE'S PROBABLY LOOKING FOR A TAKE BACK BOX LOOKING, NOT THAT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I JUST, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT.
WHEN WE USED TO BIKE A LOT, WE WOULD, WHEN WE WENT TO, UM, WE WOULD BIKE OVER TO, UH, RAD OR, OR TO, UM, PERCY WARNER.
AND ANYTIME YOU'RE IN BELMEAD, YOU KNEW YOU BETTER NOT RIDE TWO OR THREE.
IT WAS THEY, BECAUSE THEY WOULD DROP THE HAMMER.
THEY WERE JUST WAITING FOR YOU.
AND SO IF YOU, WELL, I MEAN, YOU HAD EXPERIENCE.
I'M TELLING YOU, EVEN IF YOU'RE RUNNING, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS.
WELL, YEAH, IT WAS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEING A TEACHER.
IF WE CAN SOMEHOW GET A HANDLE ON THIS AND KIND OF MAKE PEOPLE TO YOUR POINT, LIKE, THESE ARE THE RULES AND, AND GET THAT EDUCATION OUT THERE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA DO IT, MAYBE IT, AND THEN IT'S EASIER TO, TO SET THAT PRECEDENT ALMOST.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I, I DON'T, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE SPEEDING IN BELMEAD.
YOU JUST DON'T 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE WAITING.
AND SO, BUT THEY, THE SAME WITH BIKES.
I MEAN, IF YOU RODE TWO, I MEAN, THEY WOULD COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO, TO STOP YOU.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LET IT BE KNOWN AND THEY LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE BIKE WALK GROUP MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEN BIKERS WON'T SAY, OH, THIS IS JUST THE CITY TRYING TO RUIN OUR FUND.
THAT'S A PRO BIKE ORGANIZATION IS SAYING, WE WANT YOU SAFE.
SOME OF THE, UM, EDUCATIONAL, UH, EMPHASIS NOW WE WORK COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENTS WORKING WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM INCLUDES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ALSO NOLAN CITY OF NOLANSVILLE, FRANKLIN AND SPRING HILL TRYING TO COORDINATE A PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP AN E-BIKE SAFETY PSA VIDEO CONTEST.
SO WE COULD HAVE A SAFETY VIDEO, WHICH IS KIND OF COOL.
IT'S GETTING THE SCHOOLS INVOLVED.
THE OTHER THING THEY'RE DOING IS, IS THEY, THEY HAD AN INITIAL MEETING AND THEY'LL HAVE FUTURE MEETINGS.
THEY HAVE A TEAM AND THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THE SCHOOL'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THERE COULD BE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR E-BIKES ON CAMPUS.
THAT'S WHERE WE'LL WANT TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THAT AND, AND SEE HOW THAT MESHES WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, AND, AND IDEALLY YOU WANNA COMPLIMENT THAT.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'LL MAKE SENSE, BUT I, BUT YOU KIND OF THINK, UH, COMMON SENSE PEOPLE GOING AFTER THE SAME OUTCOME, YOU'RE GONNA KIND OF PROBABLY START GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
SO WE WANT TO, WE, WE'RE A PART OF THAT AND WE WANNA SEE WHERE THAT GOES AS WELL.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL EMPHASIS.
AND SO THAT'S SORT OF A, A SEGUE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, TODAY WE WANTED TO KIND OF GET YOU STARTED REALLY, UH, GET YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS, TAKING NOTES.
UM, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING NECESSARILY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, DIRECTION TODAY.
'CAUSE WE, YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO, TO SEE WHAT BIKE WALK SPRINGFIELD'S FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
UH, MIGHT WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE SCHOOL PROCESS AS WELL.
WE, WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE'S PRETTY UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN FROM ALL SORTS.
AND THEN FROM THERE THOUGH, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT REGULATIONS, THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ENFORCE, THIS GIVES YOU TIME TO THINK ABOUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE, DOES IT NOT? AND THEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WE'LL SCHEDULE A FOLLOW UP AND THEN REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE.
IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH, YOU MAY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR SAY, HEY, YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THIS.
I'LL KICK 'EM OUT TO OUR STAFF.
IF WE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH, LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THAT.
BRING ALL THAT BACK TOGETHER FOR YOU.
AND ALSO THE EDUCATION'S GOOD.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A SITUATION AND YOU SEE WHATEVER, SO, BUT I THINK THE EDUCATION WILL EVEN BE BETTER.
AND THEN ALSO AT LEAST LESS EXCUSE IF YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE, BECAUSE THE INFORMATION'S RIGHT OUT.
AND, AND WHEN I SAY EDUCATION, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT EARLIER, IT'S EDUCATION AND MONITORING.
SO WHEREVER YOU GO, WHETHER THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, THERE MIGHT BE A CLEANUP, BUT WHETHER THERE'S A REGULATORY CHANGE, WHETHER YOU COME BACK AND JUST SAY, LET'S JUST START WITH EDUCATION, WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER WE DO, WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SEE WHAT KIND OF, IS IT HAVING AN EFFECT? DOES IT SHOW UP IN THE DA THE DATA, DOES IT SHOW UP IN, UH, COMMENTS AND CONCERNS EMAILED TO YOU? YOU KNOW, DOES THAT GO DOWN? DOES IT STAY THE SAME? DOES IT GET, DOES IT GET WORSE? WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO AT LEAST TRY TO MONITOR ANY EFFECTIVENESS.
IT, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT, BUT WE'LL TRY MM-HMM
UM, IN TERMS OF COLLECTING DATA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE CHARLES OR IF ONE OF US CAN DO IT, I, I WOULDN'T MIND DOING IT.
BUT IF WE COULD CONTACT LIKE A PRINCIPAL OR AN ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AT EACH OF THE SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE ELEMENTARY, IN OUR BOUNDARIES, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY EVERYONE WOULD MAKE.
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FOR, GO OUT ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK.UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, RAINING AND SNOW OR WHATEVER.
BUT HOW MANY BIKES DO YOU HAVE? LIKE NO OTHER INFORMATION, INVENTORY, JUST HOW MANY BIKES ARE IN YOUR PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES VARY.
IF THEY CAN, THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT DO WE WANNA KNOW HOW MANY EONS? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY GETTING TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE 'EM ON THE TRAIL AND AROUND THE Y THE, THE KIDS GOING TO, TO LIPSCOMB.
UM, AND UP AT HOLY FAMILY, WE SEE THE KIDS FROM ELEMENT ROCKET WOODLAND.
ANECDOTALLY WHAT I SEE, ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I'M, WHICH I THINK IS A WONDERFUL THING, BUT I'M ALWAYS AMAZED AT HOW MANY BIKES RIGHT.
ARE THERE, OR TAKING SCOOTERS OR EBIKES.
BUT THAT WAY WE WOULD KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SORT OF A TARGET, YOU KNOW? SURE.
IF IT'S ONLY FIVE KIDS, THEN DO WE, HOW MUCH EFFORT DO, YEAH, I THINK CHARLES WILL LOOK AT YOU.
BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A GREAT TASK TO WORK RIGHT THROUGH THAT, UH, JOINT GROUP YOU HAVE AND THEY ALREADY HAVE THE CONNECTIONS THERE AND IT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY.
SO WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE MET A FEW TIMES FOR ONCE, BUT YEAH.
EMAILED WITH THE PIOS AND THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY CAROL BERG SONG.
UH, SO YEAH, WE CAN, I CAN PUT OUT THE CALL FOR SOME INFORMATION.
I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST OUR SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, AND SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SENSE THEY GET, AND SOME I'D REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS OUR, OUR POSTURE TOWARDS THIS.
MY IMPRESSION IS THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING THIS NOT DISCOURAGING IT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A SAFE FRAMEWORK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE RIDING YOUR BIKE TO SCHOOL.
AND, AND FRANKLY, BACK TO EARLIER POINT, I THINK A COUPLE MENTIONED, AS A GUY IN THE CAR BUSINESS, I AM, I, I GUESS SHOCKINGLY IN FAVOR OF FINDING WAYS TO NOT HAVE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR.
BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IN A COMMUNITY LIKE BRENTWOOD WHERE WE'VE BEEN VERY INTENTIONALLY NOT INTERCONNECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR, FOR CARS, THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT HELPS US HAVE A SAFETY VALVE FOR CONGESTION DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, SO UNLESS WE, YOU KNOW, START DOING SOMETHING ELSE, I MEAN, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THIS SAFELY AND ENCOURAGING THE USE OF IT MM-HMM
SO THAT IT, IT'S USED MORE, NOT LESS, IS HOW WE KEEP GETTING AROUND OUR CITY.
IF CONGESTION KEEPS BEING AN ISSUE.
AND IT'S, IT'S FUNNY READING, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 2030 PLAN BEING UPDATED 2040, GOING BACK AND READING THE NOTES FROM LIKE 30 YEARS AGO THAT THE TIME CONGESTION WAS THE WORST THING GOING.
CONGESTION'S A FOR REAL THING.
AND SO KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS, BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING IT ALSO TO THE POINT CHRISTIAN MADE, YOU KNOW, REALLY EMPHASIZING THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE CONTRARY REGULATIONS IN OUR CITY THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE.
TRYING TO MAYBE HAVE SOME ADDITIVE REGULATIONS THAT COMPLEMENT WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE SO THAT IT HELPS US HAVE A SAFE FRAMEWORK TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF THESE VEHICLES.
SO I THINK, UH, I IT ALL, HAVING THAT POSTURE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD AND KEEPING THAT IN MIND BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO SCARE PEOPLE OUTTA USING THEM.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
WELL, I, I HAVE LEARNED ONE THING, AND BOY TO ME PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN GIVING A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE CREDIT FOR PADDLING LIKE CRAZY AROUND THIS TOWN WHEN MAYBE THEY DIDN'T DESERVE IT.
AND I BEEN SO ENVIOUS AT WHAT GREAT SHAPE THEY WERE IN
MAYOR JASON, IF MAY MAYOR, IF I MAY RELATE IT, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT KIND OF WEIGHS HEAVY ON MY HEART.
UM, PLACES LIKE THIS SOMERSET SUBDIVISION MM-HMM
I'VE HAD REASON TO GO OUT THERE THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STAYS IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH ME ABOUT PEDESTRIAN RELATED ISSUES THERE.
AND I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE THE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, COMING FROM SCHOOL, WATCHING WHAT HAPPENS.
AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MAKE THAT ENVIRONMENT SAFER IS SIDEWALKS.
BUT OUR RUBRIC HAS BEEN, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE EMINENT DOMAIN FOR SIDEWALKS YET.
ONE NEIGHBOR, OR ONE ONE HOUSE OR TWO HOUSES OR THREE HOUSES COULD HOLD UP A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THOSE KIDS.
AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS IS A BIG NATIONAL INITIATIVE.
AND SOMETHING LIKE ONE OR TWO OR THREE RESIDENTS HOLDING UP A SIDEWALK IN A COMMUNITY OR THE CITY'S UNWILLINGNESS TO PUT MORE MONEY TOWARD IT KEEPS IT FROM HAPPENING.
AND I WORRY A LOT ABOUT THE KIDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
WE KNOW WE RECENTLY WENT IN AND MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE INTERSECTION OF DERY, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER GONNA REALLY CHANGE THAT ENVIRONMENT IS SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE BE WHAT WE MAY WANT TO EXAMINE IS BEEN, IT'S NOT JUST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD O CALL COMES THROUGH THERE, SO DOES
AND SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND NEIGHBORHOODS? AND I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT THAT I I I, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK EMINENT DOMAIN IS OFF
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THE TABLE FOR SIDEWALKS OR OTHER THINGS ANYMORE.THAT'S OFF THE TABLE FOR ROADS OR I KNOW WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE SAID AS A CITY THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN FOR SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMISSION.
BUT CATEGORICALLY, YOU KNOW, CATEGORICALLY REMOVING EMINENT DOMAIN IS A TOOL TO WORK WITH.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT AS A COMMISSION OR, AND IF, IF WE HAVE, WE SHOULD GO DO THAT.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BETTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S THAT? THERE MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH OBJECTION AS WE THINK PEOPLE HAVE STARTED LIKING WALKING ON SIDEWALKS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO FOLKS THAT MIGHT HAVE ONCE SAID, OH, I DON'T WANT THAT.
THEY MIGHT THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD THING.
WELL, AND THE SAFETY FACTOR OF THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I REMEMBER TEACHING OVER THERE AT HOLY FAMILY AND ALL THOSE CHILDREN AFTER SCHOOL.
THE BIKES AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND WALKING THE LITTLE WALKERS TOO, THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
TO YOUR POINT, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS REACHED OUT AND SHE SAID, HOW CAN ONE PERSON HOLD THIS UP IN OUR, IN THE OUT OF THE STREET OF HOWEVER MANY HOUSES ARE THERE? AND SHE SAID, THE ONE WHO OBJECTED AND SHE'S, SHE'S, THEY'RE REALLY FRUSTRATED THAT ONE PER ONE HOUSE CAN PREVENT IF THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LARGE FRONT YARDS.
IT'S A FAIRLY COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO FOR THOSE WHO ON THE SIDE THAT GETS THE SIDEWALK, THERE IS A BIGGER IMPACT ON THEM.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTED.
BUT EE EVEN STILL, IT MIGHT BE A HEAVY LIFT, BUT IT MIGHT BE A LIFT WORTH LIFTING.
AND DON'T MISUNDERSTAND, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE CRIMINAL DOMAIN JUST OUR FAVORITE GO-TO TOOL
I THINK YOU CAN USE VERY, VERY, VERY SPAR JUDICIOUSLY.
BUT I THINK CATEGORICALLY TAKING IT OFF THE TABLE WOULD BE A MISTAKE FOR THE COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT DOES, CRYSTAL KNOWS IT COMES BACK TO TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER.
AND SO IS IS IT, IS IT THE RIGHT TIME? IS IT THE RIGHT PLACE? IS IT THE RIGHT MANNER? AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH SITUATION AND TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
WELL THAT'S I THINK ALWAYS BEEN THE POLICY.
NOW IT, IT, IT'S NOT ACCEPTED THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA GO IN AND EXERCISE IMMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS SOMETHING.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCEPTION IF, I MEAN I CAN REMEMBER THE, WON'T USE HIS NAME, BUT THE GUY THAT LIVES ON WILSON PI THAT THEY HAD TO TAKE ALL THE ROAD IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE AND HE WASN'T REALLY HAPPY, BUT UH, HE'S FINE.
HOLD RNA, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER CONNECTION CELLO.
AND IT ENDED UP GETTING RESOLVED, BUT I THINK IT ONLY WAS RESOLVED BECAUSE WE FINALLY STATED THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WE SAID, WELL, EMINENT DOMAINS A POSSIBILITY.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY A GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE THAT NOT, OH WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR PROPERTY NO MATTER WHAT.
WE SHOULD COME AT IT FROM A, WE'RE VERY RELUCTANT TO DO THIS ATTITUDE.
BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S A FORMER COMMISSIONER THAT USED TO REPEAT FREQUENTLY THAT WE DON'T USE EM IN A DOMAIN AND OH WELL THAT'S ONE MOUTH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, TRYING TO MAKE THAT THE POLICY, THE REPETITION.
MAYBE WE CAN, UH, PUT THIS ON AN AGENDA.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF POLICY STUFF RIGHT NOW WITH SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DI US ON AN AGENDA.
SO I'LL BE THE FUN POLICE REAL QUICK.
SO REAL QUICK, UM, NO, NO IT'S NOT YOU, YOU, SO, UM, YOU CAN MENTION THAT IN YOUR REPORT.
WE'LL DO OUR HOMEWORK 'CAUSE YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE.
AND SO WE'LL LOOK INTO THOSE THINGS FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, WHATEVER THOSE ARE, PLEASE PROBABLY BEST NOT TO COPY EVERYBODY.
JUST GET 'EM TO ME AND I'LL, I'LL INVENTORY AND WE'LL GET YOU GET THAT TOGETHER.
AND SO WE'LL BE PREPARING FOR WHEN WE MEET AGAIN AND WE'LL COME BACK AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN AND THINK ABOUT UH, WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE COME BACK TOGETHER HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
AND QUICK UPDATE, UH, JUST IN TIME RESPONSE, RIGHT JAY? YEAH.
COMMISSIONER DUNN THE GENERATOR IN THE SERVICE CENTER.
UH, THE ANSWER IS EMBARRASSINGLY SIMPLE.
IT'S THE NOMENCLATURE THAT THEY USED IN THIS LITTLE CHART.
MY EYES DID THE SAME THING YOURS DID WHEN YOU ASKED THAT.
WHERE IS THE SERVICE CENTER?
OH, I DIDN'T ASK WHERE THE SERVICE CENTER WAS.
IT INCLUDES THE FULL FACILITY.
CITY HALL IS STATION ONE, STATION FOUR IS SAFE SAFETY CENTER USE IS STATION FOUR.
SO IT'S FOR THE FULL FACILITY I GUESS IS THE WAY WE THAT GOOD.
CAN I JUST THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE WE REALLY
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HAVE THANK YOU.APPRECIATE IT THAT IT'S TOMORROW.