* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED HERE. [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing September 4, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Immediately following the review of the Agenda for September 8, 2025, we will have a CIP meeting. This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting. ] SO FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING, UH, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CONSTITUTION WEEK. WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING A, IT'S AN ANNUAL PUBLIC HEARING. OH, THEY HAVE TOO MUCH ON OUT THERE. , UH, ANNUAL PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO GO OVER THE ANNEX, THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED AND THE FULL REPORT, YOU'LL HAVE THAT. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS USUALLY YOU DON'T GET ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT, UH, IT'S AN ANNUAL THING THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE. LET'S SEE. NOTE. OKAY. DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PRELIMINARY ITEMS THERE? CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? JUST THE OPINION OF THE COMMISSION. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE AN OPINION OR NOT ON THE PROCLAMATIONS. UM, THE SAME GROUP THAT APPROACHED US, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION WEEK ALSO WAS ASKING FOR A PROCLAMATION ABOUT SOMETHING CALLED, I THINK THE LAFONTAINE TOUR. IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH, EVEN IF YOU REMEMBER LAFONTAINE, THE FRENCH GENERAL, WHO WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FONTINE TOUR SPECIFICALLY. AND I, I TRY NOT TO DO TOO PROCLAMATIONS ABOUT STUFF I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD BRAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'RE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY STRONG OPINIONS ON THAT ONE OR ANOTHER? OR IS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? NO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK JUST IN CASE. SO I'LL TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RECON BEFORE AGREEING TO DO A, UH, A BLIND PROCLAMATION. BUT, UH, NOW WAIT A MINUTE. IT'S, IT'S NOT REGARDING THAT, UH, CEMETERY IN FRANKLIN, IS IT? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT LAST NAME IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S TIED IN WITH A, A LOCAL ISSUE. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING AS PART OF THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY. OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S THE THING IS THAT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF THINGS BEING SENT TO ME AS MAYOR AND I THINK TO THE CITY STAFF WITH DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE MARKETING COMPANIES TRYING TO MARKET OFF THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO SPEND MONEY. SO, UM, SO TRYING TO SORT THROUGH THE LEGIT STUFF FROM, UM, THE MARKETING PITCHES, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS ONE I DON'T THINK IS A MARKETING PITCH. BUT ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA ACCIDENTALLY LEGITIMIZE SOMETHING WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH BY DOING A PROCLAMATION, SO. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, IT'S BEGINNING ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ADOPTING REVISIONS TO THE LIBRARY POLICY MANUAL. AND YOU'LL RECALL THAT YOU APPROVED REVISIONS TO THE MANUAL BACK IN MID-JULY. AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ABILITY TO USE BOTH ROOMS AND IF NEEDED AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, REVIEW THIS TIME IS, UH, OUR UPDATES ON PAGE 54 OF THE MANUAL THAT ADDRESSES THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. UM, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE, THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THAT, UH, IF IT'S A CITY SPONSORED EVENT OR SOMETHING CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY, THEN THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, RESERVE THAT WITH LESS DIFFICULTY. UM, AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT WOULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. LIKE IF IT'S LIKE THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED, UH, WITH THE DEBATE, UM, THERE'S A CHAIN OF COMMAND NOW FOR WHO CAN BE CALLED AND THEN AUTHORIZED TO OPEN THAT OTHER ROOM. I THINK I'M GONNA TURN TO LEE ON THAT. I, UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW AND IT JUST SAYS ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS WHO DESIRE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S LIMITED TO CITY ACTIVITY FOR THAT. IS IT IN ANY WAY? WELL, THE FOCUS IS, THE INTENTION IS THAT THE PRIMARY FOCUS WOULD BE FOR CITY EVENTS, BUT ANYBODY CAN MAKE A REQUEST AND THEN IT WILL BE ROUTED TO YOU ULTIMATELY THROUGH ME FOR APPROVAL PENDING IF THERE'S AVAILABILITY. SO IT'S INTENDED TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. RIGHT. SO THE CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE, UH, IT HAS CAPITAL C FOR CITY OF BRENTWOOD. SO ARE WE TALKING THE COMMUNITY OR THE ORGANIZATION? COMMUNITY. OKAY. COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT, OKAY. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS LIMITED TO US, IT'S COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, BUT THEN THERE WAS SOMETHING THOUGH THAT IT ABOUT CITY EVENTS. IF IT'S A CITY EVENT WE AUTO, WE DON'T, WE AUTOMATICALLY ALLOW IT. SO LIKE IF IT'S IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, CITY COMMISSION, THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN ALSO, LIKE THE FRIENDS OF THE BRENTWOOD LIBRARY, WE ALLOW THEM OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE THEIR BOOK SALE IN BOTH ROOMS. WELL, SHOULD WE CLARIFY THAT? I MEAN, IF JAY IS CITY MANAGER WONDERED WHETHER IT WAS THE CITY OR THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT SENTENCE. THAT NEVER CAME TO ME. HUH? THAT DIDN'T, THAT DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MEAN JAY. I MEANT JASON. YEAH, YEAH. I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK. . BUT, BUT, BUT I MEAN, THE WAY I [00:05:01] READ THIS IS IT'S JUST BASICALLY GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IF WE WANT TO USE BOTH ROOMS, WE CAN USE BOTH ROOMS AND IT GIVES US AS A, AS A TEAM, YOU KNOW, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND I'M SURE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION MARK, I'LL BUMP IT UP TO JASON AND IF JASON HAS A QUESTION, HE'LL BUMP IT UP TO US. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU ON THIS TOO, WHATEVER THE, THE CRITERIA IS FOR USING, FOR ANY GROUP TO USE A LIBRARY ROOM, THAT'S THE SAME CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GROUP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT A CONTENT BASED DECISION. IT'S GONNA BE A LOGISTICALLY BASED DECISION ON THE NEED FOR THE OTHER ROOM AND AVAILABILITY OF THE ROOM. MAKE YOU HAPPY. I LOVE THAT. DID SHE LIKE THAT? KEEPS OUTTA JAIL. SHE SMILED BIG. I KNOW. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURE FROM THE HOLT TRUST ACCOUNT FOR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE LIBRARY. AND WE, THIS WAS SORT OF, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UH, SOMEWHAT AT A, A PRIOR MEETING RIGHT. UH, AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM. BUT THERE'S, IN THE REPORT THERE'S SOME HISTORY ON THE, UH, TRUST, UH, THE, THE BEQUEST FROM ODELL KAY HOLT, HONOR OF HER LATE HUSBAND JOHN PETER. AND IT DOES ALLOW FOR 25%, OR WHAT IS 1,000,060 3,204, THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, CONTRIBUTION OF 4.2 MILLION TO BE UTILIZED FOR SHORT TERM PROJECTS. AND THIS IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF THOSE, UH, SHORT TERM PROJECTS. UH, TO DATE, THERE'S BEEN A, A LITTLE OVER 191,000 OF THE MILLION 63,000 SPENT, UH, ON THAT. AND SO THIS IS THE ONE WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, STAFF OFFICES AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND DOING SOME MOVING AND SOME UPGRADING. AND THEY'RE MOVING THEM AROUND PRIMARILY TO PUT THEM IN A BETTER LOCATION TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. UH, IN AFFECTS THE, UH, KITCHEN, THE, UH, REF THE REFERENCE STAFF CLOSER TO THE REFERENCE DESK, UH, WOULD RETURN THE CURRENT REFERENCE MANAGER'S OFFICE BACK TO ITS PREVIOUS USE AS A STUDY SPACE. AND SO, UH, AGAIN, PRETTY MINOR TOTAL ESTIMATED COST IS ABOUT $35,000. UH, THE LIBRARY BOARD VOTED ON THIS ON AUGUST 6TH. AND SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS GO, UH, BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO TAKE NOT MORE THAN ABOUT 60 DAYS ONCE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED IS ISSUED. SO WHEN ALL THE APPROVALS AND THEY'RE READY TO GO. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS THE ONE THAT I THOUGHT I MISTAKENLY SAID AT THE MEETING THAT THE MONEY WAS COMING FROM THE CAPITAL REGULAR, BUT IT'S COMING FROM THE WHOLE FUNDS. WHOLE FUNDS. YES. IT'S THE SAME PROJECT. OKAY. CONSENT ITEM NUMBER THREE, AS A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO JOIN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND AMENDING THE TENNESSEE STATE SUBDIVISION OPIOID ABATEMENT AGREEMENT AND APPROVING THE, UH, RELATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP HAS SEEN BEFORE, OR, UH, ORIGINATING BACK IN 2021 WHEN YOU HAD THE FIRST, UH, THE PRIMARY OPIOID, UH, CASE WITH COALITION OF STATES, UH, $26 BILLION SETTLEMENT. AND IT INVOLVED FOUR COMPANIES. AND THEN SINCE THAT TIME, WELL AT THAT TIME, ON DECEMBER 31ST, UH, YOU HAD AUTHORIZED THE CITY TO JOIN THAT SETTLEMENT, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE. MOST CITIES, I BELIEVE, HAVE DONE THAT. UH, AND THAT'S, UH, TO JOIN THE SETTLEMENT AND THE TENNESSEE STATE SUBDIVISION AGREEMENT. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE ON THIS. AND THEN THAT'S BEEN AMENDED IN 23 AND 24. AND TYPICALLY IT'S AMENDED WHEN YOU BRING IN ADDITIONAL MANUFACTURERS. THAT'S WHAT PROMPTS IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE, UH, A NEW, UH, SET OF MANUFACTURERS HERE. IT'S ABOUT, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT EIGHT OF THEM. UM, WE HAVE A DEADLINE TO, UH, TO FOR THE JOINDER, UH, AND THE NEW SETTLEMENT OF OCTOBER 8TH. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE REVENUE MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THIS. YOU WE'RE ALWAYS ESTIMATING WE THINK COULD BE PLUS OR MINUS $5,000 FOR A PORTION. SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER $31,000, UH, FOR PAYMENTS, UH, FROM THE SETTLEMENTS. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. THE USES THAT ARE APPROVED FOR THESE SETTLEMENTS, IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN A WHILE, IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION. UM, WE CAN ELECT DEVELOP ELIGIBLE PROGRAMS OURSELF AND WE CAN WORK WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY IF WE SHOULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT AT SOME POINT. IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. BUT THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE USES. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S JUST, UH, UPDATING OUR, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH THE NEWER MANUFACTURERS. SO WE, I DUNNO IF IT WAS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR KRISTEN OR KAREN, BUT WE'VE GOT A DRUG FUND, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE A DRUG FUND, YES. SO DOES IT JUST GOING THERE? THIS IS DI AND AND THAT'S MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING QUESTION, BUT IT HAS TO BE USED DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR DRUG FUND. OKAY. WELL THAT JUST A QUESTION. SO WE CAN'T STICK IT IN THERE, RIGHT? NO, WE CAN'T SPECIAL. IT'S VERY, THE, UM, AGREEMENTS ARE VERY SPECIFIC HOW YOU CAN USE 'EM. THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT THANKFULLY DON'T APPLY TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BUT AGAIN, [00:10:01] A COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS REALLY ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS THAT, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO USE THE FUNDS. AND I THINK THE LAST AMENDMENT WE DID THE COMMISSION, UH, A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION DID NOT WANNA PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY ON IT. AND JASON AND JAY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL OF MAYBE BRINGING THAT DISCUSSION UP WITH YOU ALL AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE A KINDA A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO USE, UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN USE IT FOR DARE, BUT WE, HONESTLY, THE COSTS OF DARE AREN'T THAT MUCH. WE'VE GOT $31,000 SITTING IN THERE. AND AGAIN, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT IS MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH SOMETIME. UM, AND AGAIN, NOT TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, IT WAS LAST BROUGHT UP, THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK AS A CITY THAT WE WOULD SEE ENOUGH BENEFIT OF IT OR GET OUR, OUR MONEY'S WORTH. BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF JUST SITTING THERE. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE AND YEAH. AND SEE IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION WITH THE COUNTY ANYMORE. SO I KNOW FRANKLIN HAS PARTNERED WITH THEM, UM, TO GIVE THEM A PERCENTAGE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THEM, HOW THAT WORKS. UM, AND I HATE TO SPEAK FOR CHIEF COLVIN, I KNOW HE'S GETTING HIS HEADSHOT RIGHT NOW, BUT HE COULD OH, THERE HE IS. SO IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT, HOW THAT WOULD, I THINK YOU'RE DOING GREAT. OKAY. , I'M JUST GONNA KEEP YOU GOING STEP UNDER THE CAMERA, BUT LET'S SEE. I'M SO GLAD THAT I, NO SERIOUSLY THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE KEEP GETTING THE PILE OF MONEY IS GETTING BIGGER AND OUR USES ARE OUR, OUR ABILITY AS THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, AGAIN, THANKFULLY, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE O OPIOID CRISIS, BUT OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY IS VERY LIMITED IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE GET GRANTS FOR NARCAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND CHIEF COLLINS EVEN HAD A GREAT IDEA TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD GET A AEDS, UM, PURCHASED WITH THIS MONEY. BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A CERTAIN WAY, IN A NARCAN CABINET SITUATION. SO WE ARE REALLY JUST KIND OF RUNNING UP TO WHERE WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME USING THE FUNDS QUESTION. YES. WHEN YOU HAVE OUTREACH, DO Y'ALL HEAR THAT? YES MA'AM. WELL, DARN, I, WELL I THINK THIS MIGHT BE TOO CLOSE TO YOU, SO I THINK IT'S FEEDING BACK INTO YOUR OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. YOU'RE SO SMART. OKAY, . WELL, YOU ARE MY QUESTION. KIDS GET THEIR INFORMATION A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THESE DAYS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FLYERS OR TV ADS, THEY'RE NOT WATCHING THAT. NO. UH, HAVE WE IDENTIFIED WHAT KIDS LISTEN TO IF WE DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH? I DON'T WANNA WASTE IT ON SOME MEDIUM THAT THEY DON'T EVEN, UH, AND, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF IT, DOING SOMETHING OF SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW. OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. IF IT'S EVEN AN OPTION STILL ANYMORE, WHAT, HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO USE THE MONEY OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT JUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH OR IS IT MORE OF THE, UM, THE HANDS-ON THINGS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO AS A COUNTY? IT PURCHASING THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE IMPACT. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN, AGAIN, VERY THANKFULLY, THAT WE'VE NECESSARILY BEEN ABLE TO QUANTIFY FOR THE INTENDED, UM, OR THE ELIGIBLE PURCHASES I GUESS. SO THAT WOULD BE FOR SURE THE CONVERSATION THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT APPEALS TO YOU ALL AS THE COMMISSION AS A USE OF FUNDS. WELL, AND SO LESS THAN JUST COMMUNITY OUTREACH FROM A GENERAL SENSE, BUT IN TERMS OF A SPECIFIC OUTCOME BASE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A A, A NUMBER OF JUDGES AS WELL AS BRENTWOOD POLICE PERSONNEL INVOLVED WITH THE RECOVERY COURT. RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THE RECOVERY COURT IS SPECIFICALLY A COUNTY BASED PROGRAM, BUT I KNOW IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY. MM-HMM . IS THAT ELIGIBLE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD THINK NOT TO BE HONEST, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. THAT WAS WHAT I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT. YEAH. AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE, BUT MM-HMM . THAT PROGRAM IF IT IS ELIGIBLE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY WELL RESPECTED AND IN TERMS OF GETTING POSITIVE OUTCOMES IN THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD DO SIX YEARS OF DECENT SUPPORT. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, JUST AS PART OF OUR SPEND DOWN IT VERY WELL. COULD BE THAT'S WORTH AND ASK. YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL THINK ABOUT THE OPTIONS WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU WHEN WE COME TO THAT WAY DOWN THE LIST. WE, WE HAVE CHIEF COLVIN AND KRISTEN COULD DO A HIP HOP FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, RAP VIDEO FOR THE KIDS. WE THINK THAT SETS US DOWN THE LIST, BUT IT'S STILL AN OPTION. GO WITH THAT. CONSIDER, I JUST, I WAS, I WAS APPROACHED EARLIER IN AUGUST BY A, UM, PHYSICIAN WHO LIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WHO IS ACTUALLY A SUBSTANCE ABUSE, UM, PHYSICIAN. THAT'S ONE OF HER SPECIALTIES WHO ASKED IF, ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK SHE KNEW ABOUT THIS. UH, ASK IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THE CITY COULD START BEING MORE INVOLVED IN SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE EDUCATION. AUGUST IS SUBSTANCE ABUSE MONTH. AND THEN, UM, AUGUST 31ST [00:15:01] WAS OVERDOSE AWARENESS DAY. MM-HMM. WHICH EAST BRENTWOOD PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HAD AN EVENT THERE. UM, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP OUTSIDE OF A MEETING. BUT, UM, SHE HAD SOME IDEAS AND, AND I CAN JUST SHARE 'EM WITH EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KEEP WORKING ON THE VIDEO. . ALRIGHT. UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FOUR, APPROVAL TO PURCHASE UPS ANNUAL MAINTENANCE SERVICES. IT'S, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UNITED PARCEL SERVICE. INTERRUPTED TAR SUPPLY. AND, UH, THIS ONE IS A, UH, WELL EACH YEAR WE, WE, UH, PURCHASE THE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE SERVICE FOR OUR UPS SYSTEMS. AND YOU WANT THOSE SYSTEMS, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN, IF YOU LOSE ELECTRICITY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT FIRST LAYER OF, UH, ENERGY TO KEEP THOSE SYSTEMS UP. UH, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. UH, THIS IS FOR CITY HALL POLICE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING AND THE ROBERT D. LEE TOWER SITE. THE, THIS YEAR'S COSTS ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN THOSE THREE LOCATIONS. UH, TOTAL COST OF $25,000. WE ARE ASKING FOR A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER ON THE BIDDING PROCESS, UH, BECAUSE THE VENDOR WE HAVE, UH, PREVIOUSLY USED HAS BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT AND NOT FOUND A LOT OF INTEREST, UH, FROM SOME OF THE OTHERS. SO THIS WILL GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO, TO, UH, ENTER INTO IT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? AND, UH, SARAH MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD IF I MISSED SOMETHING IN THERE AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. SORRY, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT BACK THERE. HELLO? HELLO. NELSON . SO, HEY, SO, UH, I DO HAVE JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS, BUT JUST, UM, WELL, I GUESS FOR THE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE, I KNOW WE, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO HAD, UH, I GUESS WHAT I'D CALL AN UNSCHEDULED TESTS FOR OUR UPS SYSTEM OVER AT THE STORE WHERE THE POWER WENT DOWN AND TURNED OUT IT DID NOT ENTIRELY FUNCTION AS, UH, AS INTENDED. SO WE'VE STARTED DOING, I GUESS, MORE SCHEDULED TESTING ON OCCASION. DO WE DO LIKE A SCHEDULED UPS TEST? YEP. THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL BE FOR. YEP. THAT INCLUDES, SO, SO THIS IS DOING THAT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN YEP. REALLY MAKE SURE IT'S ALL WORKING. CORRECT. OKAY. YEP. CORRECT. CURIOUS QUESTION, IS THERE A FULL BUILDING AUXILIARY GENERATOR HERE? YES. OKAY. UH, NOT FULL BUILDING CRITICAL SYSTEMS. CRITICAL SYSTEMS. NOT FULL BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHAT DO WE DO THAT'S NOT CRITICAL? AND , H-H-V-A-C, PLAY CARDS. WE DON'T SHOW ANY OLD BUSINESS AT THIS TIME. UNDER NEW BUSINESS. WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE TREE BOARD AND THEN, UH, NOTICE OF A FUTURE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE PARK BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONVERSATION ON THOSE? YEAH. WHERE IS THERE A NAME ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? UH, ONE, THE, THE TREE BOARD? YEAH, RIGHT HERE. THERE'S TWO IT IN THE PACKET. YEAH. OKAY. LET'S SEE. BEHIND THAT PAGE, I HAVE IT IN MY HAND. I JUST DIDN'T GET THE YEAH. YEAH. YOU HAVE, UH, THE, IN, WE HAVE TWO INTERESTED PERSONS, CHRISTINA ODOM AND AMY THOMPSON. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARK BOARD. WOULD WE CONSIDER THE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED ALREADY OR DO WE START NEW? NEW? SO I CAN REAPPLY IF OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT 'CAUSE IT WAS SO CLOSE TO OTHER QUESTIONS. JUST IN TERMS OF THE NOTIFICATION ON THE PARK BOARD. IT WAS THE DATE OF HERE, HERE. UM, OKAY. APPLICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED BY OCTOBER 15TH. MM-HMM. SO, YEAH. SO I GUESS, UM, SO ANYONE THAT PREVIOUSLY APPLIED WOULD NEED TO APPLY BY OCTOBER 15TH MM-HMM . TO BE CONSIDERED. OKAY. YES. REACH OUT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY VACANCY. I'LL MAKE A NOTE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HER STANDING PRACTICE THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HISTORICALLY HAVE, WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER BEEN DISCLOSED, YOU KNOW, WHERE, I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY A COUPLE MONTHS. I THINK IT'S USUALLY A YEAR OR MORE. MM-HMM . BETWEEN WHEN DON'T WE JUST A APPOINT? YEAH. WELL, I MEAN WE JUST APPOINTED THREE PEOPLE TO THE PARK BOARD, BUT AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AGO. RIGHT. YEAH. NOT, NOT NOT ANTICIPATING THE RESIGNATION. RIGHT. YEAH. IF WE CAN SURE. DO THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. BEFORE WE GO INTO THE CIP WORK SESSION, ONE ITEM I, UH, OF ATTENTION, UH, ONE OR ONE ATTENTION. UM, IT GOES BACK TO THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, UH, FOR OLD SMYRNA ROAD. WHEN WE INITIALLY DRAFTED THE SCHEDULE FOR THE SECOND MEETING, IT WAS INTENDED AS A FLEXIBLE GUIDELINE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITH INPUT. WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED THE, UH, UH, SMALLER PUBLIC MEETING FOR OCTOBER 6TH, [00:20:01] BUT WE FOUND THAT DATE FALLS, UH, DURING THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S FALL BREAK. SO WE THINK MANY PEOPLE MIGHT BE OUTTA TOWN BECAUSE OF THE FALL BREAK AND MIGHT THAT MIGHT NOT AFFECT YOUR, YOUR TURN. SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT ANOTHER DATE OR TWO. UH, OTHER THAN THAT IF, AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, DEREK AND, UH, SARAH CATHERINE ARE HERE. AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE A, A SUGGESTION OR TWO FOR DATES. YEP. UH, THINK IT WAS, UH, FIRST WEEK NOVEMBER. YEAH. NOVEMBER 5TH AND NOVEMBER 6TH. OUR CONSULTANT IS OUT FOR TWO AND A HALF WEEKS. UH, DURING OCTOBER, WHEN IS OUR, UM, BANQUET THE APPRECIATION DINNER? YEAH, SORRY. IT'S I THINK NOVEMBER, I THINK MID-NOVEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH. NOVEMBER. I COULDN'T REMEMBER. I'VE SEEN THE DATE, BUT I DIDN'T REMEMBER. IT SAYS THE 14TH, 14TH, 14TH. I WAS TRYING TO COORDINATE 'CAUSE WE HAVE A FAMILY WEDDING THE WEEK OF THE SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH, YOU KNOW, AND SO I CAN'T MAKE THE SIXTH. WELL, I, I DON'T MIND COMING, BUT I SORT OF THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO, ARE WE TO BE THERE TOO? NO, I MEAN, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO BE THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS. AND WE, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, THE FOLKS UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR FOR BOTH PHASE NINE AND PHASE TWO WOULD BE INVITED TO IT. UH, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S FOR. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE. YEAH. UH, WE'LL AGAIN, SUMMARIZE THE INPUT. QUITE HONESTLY, BASED ON THE, THE ATTENDANCE AND POPULARITY OF THE FIRST ONE, WE REALLY DON'T THINK THE INPUT WILL VARY MUCH, IF AT ALL. BUT IT COULD. BUT, UH, WE'LL SUMMARIZE AND BRING THAT TO YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL OBLIGATED TO BE THERE. I THINK WHATEVER WORKS FOR THEIR CALENDAR IS FINE. IF WE COULD MEET ABOUT SOMETIME THE NEXT WEEK IN OCTOBER AFTER THAT DAY, IS THAT WHEN THE CONSULTANT WAS NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A GAP IS THE CONSULTANT'S AVAILABILITY. RIGHT. SO THE FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER, I MEAN, I, I WOULD GUESS SOONER THE BETTER, BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LOOKING AT THE FALL BREAK AND, AND NOT DOING IT A TIME WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID COMMUNITY INPUT FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. BUT UM, YEAH, LIKE YOU SAY, I MEAN, IF WE CAN MAKE IT, WE CAN MAKE IT. BUT IF IT WORKS FOR THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT, I MEAN THAT'S THE KEY PART IS MAKING SURE THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD MEETING. WELL WHAT ABOUT THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER? I MEAN, WE GOT A WHOLE MONTH THE GUYS YEAH, I HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT. SO THE LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, I'M OUT OF TOWN. UH, BEGINNING THE 26TH. THE FIRST THIS WE'VE LOOKED, I'VE LOOKED AT LITERALLY EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE THE ENTIRE CITY. WE TRIED, THESE ARE THE DATES NOVEMBER 26TH THAT ALL OF US COULD BE THERE, RIGHT? I AGREE. I AGREE ALL. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, MARVIN. WELL, AND WE TALKED TO OUR CONSULTANT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND GIVEN IT TO NOVEMBER, GIVES US MORE TIME TO ADDRESS SOME QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD CONCERNING SPECIFIC PROPERTY ON OUR QUESTIONS. YES. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. DOES THAT WORK? OKAY. AND THEN BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, UM, THE, THE CIP MEETING, IS THAT OUR NEXT THING IS THIS? SO JUST AS, AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED SOME INTO THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE 2040 PLAN AND, AND REVISITING THAT. AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND REREADING, YOU KNOW, THE 2030 PLAN AND THE MAJOR THIRD PLAN AND SOME OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. WANTED TO ASK Y'ALL IF YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS A COMMISSION IS AS YOU'RE REVIEWING KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, WOULD YOU ALL WANT US TO REQUEST THE STAFF MAYBE DO LIKE A HARD COPY, LIKE A BINDER MAYBE WITH THE FULL, UM, CIP AND RAISE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND OTHER ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS IN IT JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE AND TAKE NOTES ON? WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE HANDY? YES, IT WOULD VERY MUCH FOR ME. YES. SO IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE EVEN INCLUDE THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN, UM, RESEARCH STUDY OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER STUDIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT TO THE, THE 2040 PLANNING PROCESS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE NOW. UM, NELSON, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE 2030 PLAN IN THERE TOO? UH, I THINK IT SHOULD. YEAH. SO THAT THE ACTUAL 2030 PLAN AND ASSOCIATED RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, IT'S ON THE CITY WEBSITE, BUT I KNOW FOR ME, SOMETIMES HAVING A HARD COPY WHERE I CAN HIGHLIGHT AND WRITE NOTES AND STUFF IS HANDY. ABSOLUTELY. AND HOW THOSE RESOURCES, WE GO THROUGH IT. 'CAUSE SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER ALONG THOSE LINES IS MAYBE TAKING ONE OF OUR THURSDAY BRIEFINGS AS A REVIEW SESSION AND MAYBE EVEN INVITING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO JOIN US TO JUST SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DID WE LEARN 10 YEARS AGO AND RIGHT. WE HAVE AN END THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE'RE COMING INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, SO AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN A COURSE FORWARD, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE'VE BEEN. [00:25:01] YEAH. YOU THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S GONNA WANNA COME THREE THURSDAYS A MONTH? NO, I THINK THEY CAN COME, I MEAN THEY ONLY HAVE ONE THURSDAY BRIEFING RIGHT NOW, SO IT'D BE TWO THURSDAYS IN A ROW. I'D MAKE IT OPTIONAL FOR 'EM. I DON'T THINK THEY'D HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY, SAY, I MEAN THEY'RE JUST VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. BUT I THINK THEY WOULD WANNA BE HERE. I MEAN, YEAH, WELL YEAH, THEY PROBABLY DO, BUT THEY HAVE JOBS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. WELL, AND I, I'M NOT ENVISIONING IT AS A REQUIRED APPEARANCE AS MUCH AS, UH, JUST A, A REAL INVITATION AND A WELCOME TO, HEY COME JOIN US TO, TO REVIEW THIS SO WE CAN ALL GO TOGETHER. YEAH. IT'S AN INFO SESSION. YEAH. I MEAN THE IDEA IS SORT OF TO GET EVERYONE PRIMED AND READY AS WE START THINKING ABOUT THE UPDATE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS LATER. SO IF, UH, WE COULD OPEN THAT UP AND FOR THOSE WHO CAN MAKE IT, THAT'S GREAT. IF WE FIND THAT A GOOD NUMBER CANNOT MAKE IT, WE CAN DO A SIMILAR SESSION JUST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. YEAH. SO WE CAN MAKE IT WORK EITHER WAY. THE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A JOINT SESSION SO WE CAN ALL HEAR EACH OTHER'S QUESTIONS. I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED. 'CAUSE I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN I MIGHT HAVE. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF LOADED WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW ON THE CITY COMMISSION, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND HAVING SOME IN THE SAME ROOM. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD. OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL GET REPRESENTATION. I DON'T OBJECT, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE BACK TO BACK WITH THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING GOING INTO THAT. I THINK YOU TEND TO RUSH ONE OR THE OTHER. HMM. I MEAN, I, YOU THINK IT'D BETTER TO SCHEDULE A DIFFERENT MEETING WHEN WE DON'T IT'S ANOTHER THURSDAY FOR US AND ANOTHER THURSDAY FOR THEM AS WELL. WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE SAY YEAH, LET'S DO IT. WE, WE DO ANTICIPATE WE HAVE SOME LONG INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS WITH LOTS OF OTHER TOPICS. YEAH. WE DO ANTICIPATE THIS COULD TAKE A WHILE. 'CAUSE YEAH, REAL, THERE'S A FEW TOPICS WE NEED TO BE SURE AND HIT THROUGH THERE. AND THERE COULD BE CONVERSATIONS. SO WHETHER YOU SCHEDULED AS A REGULAR, UH, PART OF YOUR REGULAR BRIEFING TIME AND EXTEND THE TIME OR WHETHER IT'S A SPECIAL TIME. IT, WE HAVEN'T ESTIMATED THE, THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OR ANYTHING YET, BUT I'M ASSUMING TWO TO FOUR IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT. DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. UM, BUT IT WILL BE LONGER THAN A TYPICAL THURSDAY BRIEFING THAT'S THAT WE KNOW. WELL IT IS ASKING FOR THE COMMITMENT, BUT I DO THINK WITH THE 2040 PLANNING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND WELL, WE ALL THINK THAT NELSON OH, FAIR ENOUGH. NELSON. I'VE WORKED ON MULTIPLE ONES AND THESE YES, YOU HAVE. AND I'M NOT DISMISSING IT RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING WE GOTTA BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME AND THE STAFF'S TIME AND THE VOLUNTEERS TIME. AND HONESTLY, I WELCOME THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OF, OF INVOLVEMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE CITY COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE THEM INVOLVED AFTER WE'VE, WE MAKE THE BIG DECISIONS AND THEN WE WANT THEIR INPUT ON THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE, I MEAN THEY'VE GOT THE SUBDIVISION RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH GUIDE THEM. THAT'S THEIR BIBLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GUIDE US. SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS NEEDS SOME MORE THOUGHT. I THINK BEFORE WE JUMP IN AND SAY, WELL, LET'S START MEETING EVERY, UH, TWO THURSDAYS A MONTH, ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA AND BRING ANOTHER GROUP IN TO SIT DOWN AND CHAT ABOUT IT. I, I JUST THINK IT NEEDS SOME MORE THOUGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON IT AND THAT YOUR SENSITIVITY TO HOW IT IS IMPORTANT. BUT, UM, I MEAN, NO, WE'VE GOT 15 YEARS BEFORE IT'S 2040, SO I THINK WE GOT A LITTLE TIME TO DO THIS, RIGHT? OH, WE DO. I I WAS JUST THINKING AND NOT AS A, AS A, A DECISION MAKING MEETING, BUT JUST AS A, AN INFORMATIONAL REVIEW. YEAH. SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE BACKSTORY ON THE 2030 PLAN IS ACTUALLY READ AND UNDERSTANDS. WELL THAT CAN BE A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT, I THINK. I MEAN, SOME OF US HAVE READ IT MULTIPLE TIMES. UH, IF YOU NEED TO BRUSH UP, GET IT AND READ IT, YOU KNOW, OR, AND THEN CALL A STAFF MEMBER. BUT, BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY AGREES WITH ME OR NOT. I'M JUST FEEL FREE TO GIVE MY OPINION THAT BROUGHT THE ROOM TO DAD'S SIDE. , YOU'RE MAKING US ALL THINK . I I THINK YOU CAN TAKE A POINTS WELL TAKEN THAT IT IS ANOTHER MEETING, BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT AS TOPICAL AS YOU WANT TO, TO KIND OF GET THINGS STARTED. AND I THINK IT SENDS, [00:30:01] UH, LIKE WE JUST GOT ONE BRAND, BRAND NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER RAND. I'M, I DON'T THINK HE'S UP TO SPEED AND I DO THINK HE PROBABLY ENJOYS SOME OF THE NEWER ONES. WOULD ENJOY COMING AND SITTING AND SEEING THAT AGAIN, I THINK YOU HOW DEEP YOU WANT TO GO DOWN INTO THE MEAT OF IT. BUT I THINK A TOPICAL INFO MEETING MIGHT BE VERY GOOD. JUST I THINK WE PULL IT TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK IF THEY READ THE 2030 BEFORE THEY CAME AND STARTED COMMENTING ON IT. YEAH. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A TUTORIAL FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T READ THE PLAN. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T WORK WELL THAT WAY. WE'VE SEEN THESE GET THE DIGRESSION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PLANNING COMMISSION. I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN US I, HOW WE GET OFF TOPIC LIKE RIGHT NOW. . SORRY ABOUT THAT. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY? NO, I MEAN, GOOD. NOW WE'LL, WE'LL SEND, WE'LL BUNDLE UP AND SEND THE DOCUMENTS OUT TO YOU SO THAT WE KNOW EVERYONE HAS, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO THAT WAY RIGHT. MY STEP DOES, THERE'S NO QUESTION EVERYBODY HAS THAT. NOW AGAIN, THOSE ARE A LOT OF THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBPAGE, BUT THEY HAVE THAT HARD COPY IN FRONT OF YOU. KIND OF SENDS A MESSAGE THAT SAYS READ IT . RIGHT. IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT, READ IT. SO WE CAN DO THAT AND THEN, UH, WE CAN COME BACK AND BRING UP THE QUESTION AGAIN ON WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE EITHER A COMMISSION UPDATE OR A JOINT UPDATE AND JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH IT. UH, THERE, THERE PROBABLY ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THERE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY EMPHASIS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM OR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM OR WHY OR WHY NOT? SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OF CONTEXT THERE PROBABLY THAT YOU MAY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. BUT AS, AS MAYOR MENTIONED, IT'S NOT ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE YET. THAT'LL BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS. RIGHT. IT'S JUST TO BE SURE EVERYBODY'S UP TO SPEED IN WHATEVER WAY IS BEST. LET'S GOING INTO THAT. LET'S GET THE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. YEAH, I THINK THAT IS GOOD. I LIKE, I LIKE THAT. LET US GO THROUGH IT AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE HOW WE NEED TO MEET OR IF WE NEED TO MEET OR SHOULD THIS BE PASSED ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? SHOULD THEY READ IT? AND IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, ASK STAFF. OR DO WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER BEFORE WE GO INTO LOOKING AT THE SELECTION PROCESS? 'CAUSE I ASSUME THIS IS JUST A PRELUDE TO THE SELECTION PROCESS YEAH. OF THE 2040 YES. COMMITTEE. AND, AND IN THAT SENSE IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT WILL HONE OUR ATTENTION TO WHAT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO PROBABLY HONE OUR ATTENTION ON WHO WILL BE GOOD MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE THAT WE WILL BE SELECTING. SO, UM, NOW WHAT, WHAT HAS THERE BEEN A COMMITTEE IN THE PAST, LIKE IN THE 2030 OR THE 2020 PLAN? THERE WAS FOR 2020 AND IT WAS SPLIT UP. 'CAUSE THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES. AND IT WAS SPLIT UP INTO THREE GROUPS. THERE WAS KIND OF THE TRANSPORTATION GROUP, THE BUSINESS GROUP, AND THEN I WAS ON LIKE THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM . GROUP. THERE WAS LIKE 60 MEMBERS ON IT. YEAH. HOW MANY? 16, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND THEY MET ALL YEAR LONG IN THE EVENINGS AND YOU HAD TO COMMIT TO BEING, TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND MOST PEOPLE WERE NOT. AND THEN IT BROKE DOWN TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. RIGHT. AND THAT, AND MOST PEOPLE WERE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY. I MEAN, THERE WERE LIKE ONE OR TWO JUST FROM WHAT I'M REMEMBERING MM-HMM . ALL THOSE DECADES AGO MM-HMM . BUT MOST OF US WERE COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS. YEAH. NOT ON OTHER BOARDS OR ANYTHING. YEAH. THEY WEREN'T PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OR CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE UP YEAH. RESIDENTS. AND, AND THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I, I THINK THERE'S A VALUE TO DO LIKE A REVIEW SESSION FOR THOSE OF US THAT WERE NOT ON THE COMMISSIONER OR, OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, BEFORE TO JUST GET THE WHOLE BACKSTORY AND FIND OUT HOW THE WHOLE PROCESS WORKS CAN READ IT. OH, WELL I, I HAVE READ IT. BUT THAT, THAT PART'S NOT REALLY IN THERE SPECIFICALLY. OH. IF YOU READ, I THINK IN THE 2020 PLAN THAT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE, RIGHT? THAT WAS NO. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT WAS A 2000, IN 19,000 THEY HAD A 2080 PLAN. OKAY. AND THEN THE 22,000 PLAN AND THEN THE 2020 BRENTWOOD HAS ALWAYS, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE REAL VISIONARIES. THEY, FROM THE GET GO HAD 20 YEAR PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND IT, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE IN CONCRETE, BUT IT'S A GREAT GUIDELINE. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO, SO GETTING ALL THIS IS PART OF THE REASON. I JUST WANNA TRY TO GET EVERYONE UP TO SPEED AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE SO WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T ALL BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF IT. WELL, I HAVE AN EIGHT, WELL NOT ALL OF IT. . I, I THINK THERE WERE SINUSES, THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR REPORT, [00:35:01] RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE REPORTS. BUT THERE WAS KIND OF A, UH, WELL THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN INTRODUCTORY, UH, CHAPTER AND IT TALKED A LITTLE BIT, I THINK ABOUT THE YEAH. THE COMMITTEE MAKEUP AND THE FOCUS OF EACH. BUT THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS DECADES AGO. SO WHO ELSE COULD BE INFORMATION ALREADY OUT THERE? BUT I, BUT I THINK THERE WAS SOME SORT OF SUMMARY MM-HMM . SO IS THERE A PREFERENCE ON A MEETING OR DO YOU WANNA JUST BRING IT BACK TO YOU, GIVE YOU A LITTLE CHANCE TO GET THE PLANS, TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM AND COME BACK. LET'S GET THE DOCUMENT CONVERSATION. AND I DO THINK, AND I DO THINK THE BIKE PAD IS IMPORTANT. MM-HMM . EVEN THOUGH, I GUESS IT'S ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD NOW. IT'S ALL 10 YEARS OLD. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE YOU CAN READ THROUGH IT ALL. LIKE YOU WOULD A BOOK, IT'S HOW I DO IT. OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT NOT DO THE SAME. BUT THEN YOU GO BACK AND STUDY SEPARATE THINGS AND SEE WHAT WE NEED. AND IF, IF THERE IS SOMEONE WITH STAFF OR SOME WAY TO RESEARCH A LITTLE BIT OF, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY, I WOULD NOT PROPOSE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I REMEMBER THE DIFFERENT PLANS AND UH, UM, AND ESPECIALLY THE 2020, UM, THE 2030 WAS NOT QUITE AS ELABORATE AS FAR AS LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF COMMITTEES AND ALL THAT JUST UPDATED. YEAH. JUST KIND OF UPDATED. UM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE INITIATED THAT JUST RIGHT AFTER 20 13, 20 14 WHEN THINGS WERE STARTING TO STABILIZE IN THE HOUSING MARKET. 'CAUSE UP UNTIL THEN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS HAD 20, 30% OF THE HOUSES UNDER FORECLOSURE MM-HMM . 'CAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC CRISIS, YOU KNOW, 2009, 2011. SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO, FOR US TO STUDY IT AND THEN THEN DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF MEETING WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE ON THAT. WELL I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND SEE IF THAT STILL SINKS WITH THE BIKE PLAN. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA WORK TOGETHER OR DO WE MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS OR WHAT? SO, OR SEE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE NEW THINK ROADS AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND LIKE THE FACT THAT MCEWEN IS FINALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION . 'CAUSE THEY STARTED PLANNING THAT I GUESS 10 YEARS BEFORE I BECAME A COMMISSIONER. AND EVER SINCE I BECAME A COMMISSIONER WE'VE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE THAT FORWARD. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY AFFECT SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS ON THE MAJOR THIRD PLAN. UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING THEM ALL TOGETHER THOUGH. 'CAUSE THAT MAKES IT ONE DOC. YEAH. IT MAKES IT EASY TO GO THROUGH AND YOU'RE NOT LIKE, OH GOSH, WHERE DID I PUT THAT COPY OF THAT OR WHATEVER. SO, OKAY. WE WILL GATHER THAT INFORMATION UP AND GET IT TO YOU AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK OVER THE CONVERSATION SOMETIME AFTER THAT ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP WILL BE THAT WORKS FOR YOU. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. CIP WORK DISCUSSION. UH, LET ME, I'M GONNA LEAD AND I'M, I'M GONNA TURN OVER, UH, TO JAY. BUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IS IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY, I THINK PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND PRETTY SIMPLE. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS WE'VE LAID OUT, UH, SOME THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN EMPHASIS ON CONTINGENCY FOR BIG PROJECTS COMING UP 'CAUSE OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE, IN THE MARKET FOR THOSE, UH, SOME, AGAIN, PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE HAD THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE BACK BURNER THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER. UH, A FEW, A FEW LITTLE SMALL THINGS, NOT A LOT. UM, AND THEN REALLY, UH, YOUR OPPORTUNITY, IF THERE'S A PRIORITY THAT, THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT WE'VE MISSED, UH, OUR INTENTION ISN'T TO, UH, LIMIT YOUR CHOICES. IT'S SURELY JUST TO KIND OF, KIND OF TAKE WHAT WE'RE THINKING, GET IT OUT THERE AND LET YOU START FROM THERE. SO, UH, WITH THAT, HERE WE GO, SIR. SIR. ALRIGHT. SO COMMISSIONERS, THE BIG QUESTION, $17,950,000 THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED WOULD BE THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE RACKET FACILITY. UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE SCROLLED AWAY MONEY FROM 23, 24, 25, AND THEN OF COURSE FUNDING IN 2026, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE FUND BALANCE AND THE BOND ISSUE. AND, UH, SOME, THERE'S SOME FUND BALANCE ON THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE LAST NUMBER THERE, 2,950,000 AS A RESULT OF THE ARC FUNDS. UM, BUT THAT'S HOW WE CAME ABOUT 17 950 FOR THAT PROJECT. AND SO THE QUESTION OF COURSE IS WHAT PORTION OF THIS, IF ANY, DO YOU WANT TO REALLOCATE, UH, TOWARD OTHER PROJECTS OR HOLD AND RESERVE FOR PROJECTS? AND SO, UM, I MET WITH, UH, WITH, WITH DEREK BRIEFLY IN ENGINEERING JUST TO KIND OF GET A, AN UPDATE ON SOME OF OUR LARGE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. AND JASON AND I MET, AND SO WE HAVE SOME, UH, POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU, BUT IT CERTAINLY COMMISSIONERS, IT'S YOUR DISCRETION ON WHAT WE DO WITH THIS FUNDING. IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK WITH THIS CHART RIGHT HERE, YOU'LL [00:40:01] SEE THE BOND ISSUES IN THERE. WE DIDN'T WANT, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO OR DON'T DO A BOND ISSUE. WE'RE JUST SIMPLY INVENTORYING WHERE YOU WERE AT THIS STAGE. THAT'LL BE A DECISION YOU CAN MAKE DEPENDING ON PROJECT PRIORITIES OR ANYTHING. SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT OUT THERE WITH WEIGHT. IT'S JUST KIND OF SAYING THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE. SO THE THE OTHER PART, THE CP FUND BALANCE, THE VERY LAST ITEM, AND THAT CAN ONLY BE USED IN CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS, ANY CAPITAL. OKAY. YES SIR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT MONEY THAT WE WERE GETTING? WELL, IT'S, IT'S MONEY THAT THE GOVERNMENT MONEY SUPPLANTED. OKAY. SO THAT'S AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOW FREED UP WHERE WAS ALREADY IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND WERE THE, UM, EXCESS REVENUES AT YEAR END. WERE THOSE TARGETS MET BECAUSE IT'S MONEY WE HAVEN'T SPENT YET. RIGHT. AND SO, BUT AT THE END OF EACH OF THOSE YEARS, THERE WAS AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS, $2 MILLION MILLION DOLLARS IN FUND BALANCE AND CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. OKAY. WELL, YES. THAT'S HOW FIRST IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN WE MOVE IT OVER TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AS PART OF OUR TRANSFER. BUT IT WAS AVAILABLE. IT'S A, I MEAN, IT IT'S NOT LIKE WE DIDN'T GIVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. IT, IT, IT WAS STILL WAITING FOR THE RACKET FACILITY AND SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, IT'S AVAILABLE. UM, AND NEXT WE HAD A LOT MORE EXTRA EXCESS REVENUE THAN THAT. THAT'S JUST THE PORTION THAT WAS TAGGED FOR THIS PROJECT. RIGHT. THE ACCESS REVENUE, THE REST OF THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY THE EXCESS REVENUE. THAT'S JUST, IT'S MORE LIKE 18 $20 MILLION ONE OF THE YEARS. UM, SO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND WE'RE USUALLY IN LIKE THE NINE, WELL USUALLY, UH, PAST FEW YEARS IN THE NINE TO 12 MILLION RANGE. 12 MILLION, YEAH. UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE THREE TO FIVE THAT WE USED TO EXPERIENCE. BUT SO, UM, STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT PERHAPS WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. AND WE KNOW THAT COMING FROM YOU COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU HAD INDICATED, WELL NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE FIRST PHASE OF THE CITY HALL IMPROVEMENTS, NEARING COMPLETION, WHICH, UH, CONTRACTOR SAYS WILL BE TOWARD THE END OF THIS MONTH, WE'RE THINKING MAYBE THE END OF NEXT MONTH, UM, SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO PHASE TWO AND DO THE REST OF THE BUILDING? AND SINCE WE'VE HEARD SOME FROM YOU, WE CAME UP WITH A DOLLAR NUMBER THAT WE THINK PROBABLY STILL REPRESENTS, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PADDING. UM, THE COMPLETION OF THE, THE, THAT PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WAS DONE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE DIDN'T DESIGN THE ENTIRE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ROOM IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS. WE DID NOT PLAN FOR ANYTHING FOR THESE ROOMS BECAUSE THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME DIDN'T REALLY, WASN'T REALLY ENTERTAINING ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE TWO ROOMS. SO THERE COULD BE SOME EXPANSION AND ADDITIONAL DESIGN THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DO. BUT, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS DESIGNED AND THEN THAT ALLOWING MONEY FOR PICTURES, FURNITURE, AND EQUIPMENT, WE THINK THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UH, WOULD BE CLOSE TO GETTING YOU TO PHASE TWO. WE WON'T KNOW MORE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE COME UP WITH AN EXACT SCOPE AND HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU WANTED US TO EXPAND THAT AT ALL. BUT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS COULD BE PUT TOWARD PHASE TWO AND WE COULD MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THE COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE TO DO THAT. SO, SO JADE, DO YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT THESE AS LINE ITEMS OR DO YOU WANNA GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT 'EM AS LINE ITEMS? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE TOP AND HIT EACH ONE JUST SO WE HAVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE. SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR BIG ROAD PROJECTS COMING UP, OLD SMYRNA ROAD AND EWEN DRIVE. THEY'RE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. UH, IT, YOU SAW THAT AS A PART OF THE CIP PROCESS. HOWEVER, IF, UH, HISTORY IS ANY INDICATOR OF THE FUTURE, THEN THESE PROJECTS TEND TO COME IN HIGHER THAN WE ARE ANTICIPATING. WE THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO SET ASIDE SOME PART OF THIS MONEY TO, IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THOSE, THOSE COST ESTIMATES COME OUT HIGHER THAN THAN EXPECTED. AND SO IN DIVVYING THIS UP, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OLD SMARTER ROAD AT, UH, 2,450,000 MQ AND DRIVE AT 3 MILLION, 360,000. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY FLEXIBLE NUMBERS. IF WE NEEDED TO FUND SOMETHING ELSE, YOU COULD LOWER THAT. BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE WOUND UP WITH THOSE, JUST ANTICIPATING THAT IT IS NO SURPRISE ANYMORE WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN A MILLION, 2 MILLION, $3 MILLION OVER WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE VERSUS WHAT THE MARKET ACTUALLY IS COMMANDING AT THE TIME. MM-HMM . WE, WE DON'T HAVE COPIES OF THIS TO TAKE NOTES ON. UM, WE'LL SEND YOU COPIES. WE WILL SEND YOU COPIES. YES, SIR. SO THE FRANKLIN ROAD BIKE PIN BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PATH. RECALL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN WITH THE STATE HOPING THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME FUNDING COMING FOR THAT WE STILL HAVE NOT HEARD CORRECT. DEREK CHAIR? CATHERINE HAD AN UPDATE YESTERDAY, BUT UH, I THINK THE TERM WAS THEY'RE REVIEWING THE PROGRAM, SO PROGRAMS ARE BEING REVIEWED RIGHT NOW, SO FUNDING IS KIND OF TIED UP. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL RELEASE IT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO RELEASE, WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED HEARING ABOUT THIS SIX MONTHS AGO. RIGHT. AND REAL QUICK, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TOTAL FUNDING AND, AND WHAT IN ESSENCE, HOW IT COMES BACK TO THE ODDS OF THE PROJECT BEING FUNDED, BUT TOTAL [00:45:01] FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THE PROGRAM VERSUS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PROGRAM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. CAN ASK US TO STAND UP. OH YEAH. UM, SO YEAH, THE, UM, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT FOR PHASE ONE. GO AHEAD SIR. CATHERINE, THE MA ALLOWS US TO HAVE 1.125 FROM THE STATE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE APPLIED FOR, FOR PHASE ONE. OVERALL, WE BUDGETED THAT THE PROJECT'S GONNA COST NOT INCLUDING RIGHT AWAY 3.3 MILLION. THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP OVER THE YEARS. UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR 1.125, WHICH IS THE MAX THAT THE STATE WILL GIVE US FOR THAT GRANT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL GET THE GRANT. THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW. WHAT DID THEY SAY? THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT? WHAT I HEARD IS, UH, AT THE MEETING PRIOR TO CATHERINE'S NEW INFORMATION WAS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THREE, ONLY THREE PROJECTS, BUT THEN THE NEW INFORMATION WAS THE ENTIRE PROGRAM'S UNDER REVIEW. SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WITH THE YES. YEAH. AND, AND WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE, HAD THE SAME APPLICATION ON HOW MANY DIFFERENT TIMES PRIOR TO THAT. THIS IS OUR FOURTH. OKAY. SO FIFTH, THIS IS OUR FIFTH FOR THE SAME REQUEST. YES. THAT, THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE INDICATION OF PROBABILITY. IS THE, IS THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDS TDOT OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? IT'LL BE, IT'S A TDOT. SO, SO WE SHOULD TAKE WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE TDOT BUDGET SITUATION INTO ACCOUNT. RIGHT. I'D SAY AS WELL. WELL, WOULDN'T YOU SAY THERE ARE ONLY THREE PRO THREE? WERE WE ONE OF THE THREE THE CHIEF? NO MA'AM. IT WASN'T INDICATED. I JUST THOUGHT SO UNDER REVIEW MAY MEAN THAT THINGS HAVE IMPROVED. COULD BE. WELL, UH, COMMISSIONER, SO MY QUESTION WAS TO, UH, AN OFF THE CUFF QUESTION TO A TDOT OFFICIAL THAT WAS AT THE MEETING. IT WASN'T OFFICIAL, SAID, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE MULTIMODAL ACCESS GRANTS? HE SAID, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THOSE, BUT I I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONLY THREE PROJECTS TO AWARD IT TO. SO THAT WAS ACROSS THE MIDDLE TENNESSEE OR THE STATE? THIS IS MIDDLE TENNESSEE. I, I, I PRESUME BECAUSE THREE THROUGHOUT THE STATE WOULD BE YEAH. UH, VERY RESTRICTED. AND THEN SO WE WERE ANTICIPATING SOMETHING TO COME OUT BASED ON WHAT HE HAD TOLD ME. HE SAID, WE SHOULD HEAR SOMETHING SOON. BUT THEN AT THE MEETING THIS JUST THIS WEEK YESTERDAY, SARAH CATHERINE HEARD THAT NOT JUST THE AWARD OF THE PROJECTS WAS UNDER REVIEW, THE PROGRAM WAS UNDER REVIEW. OH, YES MA'AM. SO DID IT CHARACTERIZE THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WITH GRANTS RIGHT NOW. FUNDING FEDERAL FUNDING STATEMENTS. WELL, YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S A KIND OF LOOK WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM. YEAH. AND ERIC, WE'VE BEEN TURNED DOWN IN THE PAST FOR THIS SAME APPLICATION. YES. YEAH. ALL FOUR TIMES PREVIOUSLY. SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HOPE HERE THAT, THAT THE STATE'S GONNA COME THROUGH. BUT THAT IS KIND OF, WE, WE PUT A NOTE IN THE CIP WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE AN OPEN APPLICATION. THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS, AS YOU LOOK AT REALLOCATING THIS FUNDING, DO YOU WANT TO TRY AND SET ANYTHING ASIDE FOR PHASE ONE? IF THE $3 MILLION PROBABLY GET YOU MORE THAN PHASE ONE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY GET YOU MOST OF THE PROJECT. UM, MAINLY WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE BID IT OUT. RIGHT. AND RIGHT AWAY. ACQUISITION IS ANOTHER EXACTLY. BIG QUESTION, BUT IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS YOU WANT TO PUT TOWARD THAT PROJECT? UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF RAISED ITSELF IN, IN, UH, IMPORTANCE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS ONLY FRANKLIN ROAD. THIS IS NOT ACROSS THE INTERSTATE, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS JUST, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT THERE. AND, AND ANOTHER EXPENSE PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, THE TURNER PROPERTY DEVELOPING IS PROBABLY GONNA BE KEY TO WHEN THAT CONNECTION GETS MADE BECAUSE EAST WEST CROSSING THE INTERSTATE INTERSTATE, EAST WEST, UH, WITH THE BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING IS REALLY GONNA BE COST PROHIBITIVE. BUT GETTING A ROUTE THROUGH THE TURNER PROPERTY AND UP UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE IS MORE VIABLE. WE'VE WALKED THAT IN THE PAST AND IT, IT REALLY SEEMS TO BE LIKE THE ONE WE COULD AFFORD BACK WHEN YEAH. AFTER THE BIKE. PI TALKED TO PEOPLE , STATE FEDERAL ABOUT THAT, AND THE IDEA WAS KIND OF PUT A WING ON THE BRIDGE. YEAH. CONCOR ROAD. AND THEY WERE, IT WAS LIKE, THAT'D BE VERY DOUBTFUL THAT THEY WOULD LET YOU CONSTRUCT ANYTHING OVER A MAJOR INTERSTATE THAT IS SUCH HIGH TRAFFIC MM-HMM . PERIOD. BUT THAT THE SAFETY OF THAT AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, THEY JUST DIDN'T NOT GET A GOOD RECEPTION. NOW THAT'S PROBABLY EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, SO IT COULD HAVE CHANGED, BUT MY SENSE IT'S PROBABLY GOTTEN STRICTER RATHER THAN, THAN, THAN NOT. BUT THAT, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF RETURNED BACK TO, YOU KNOW, GOING UNDER SOME SORT OF TUNNEL OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TO, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. UH, NOT EVEN TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO. THEY'VE EVEN LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES ALONG THE WHOLE 65 CORRIDOR, EVEN DOWN INTO COOL SPRINGS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF A GOOD VIABLE CONNECTION. AND [00:50:01] IT'S NOT BEEN GOOD BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY HOUSES AND BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM DOING ANY TYPE OF BRIDGE. SO, SO REALLY WE'RE RIGHT HERE IS THE, THE LAST PIECE OF THE NORTH SOUTH, AND WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING EAST WEST RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. SO THIS IS CONCORD MURRAY, THE SCOPE. YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO, WE'LL, CAN I JUST ASK A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT ALL THREE OF THOSE, UH, TRANSPORTATION KIND PROJECTS, IF WE REALLOCATE SOME MONEY TOWARDS THEM, SO KIND OF INCREASE THEIR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. DOES THAT CHANGE THE TIMELINE? DOES IT, DOES IT MOVE THE TIMELINE CLOSER TO NOW? YOU KNOW, UM, IT CERTAINLY, YES, IT CERTAINLY DOES. WITH CITY HALL PHASE TWO AND WITH THE FRANKLIN ROAD BIKE PATH MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN KIND OF, UH, PUSHED OFF INDEFINITELY INTO THE FUTURE. UM, ALL THE STUDIES, IT'S, IT'S PLANNED, IT'S READY TO GO. IT'S LIKE JUST CITY HALL, THE FUNDING AND FRANKLIN ROAD, WE HAVE ENGINEERING ON MM-HMM . FRANKLIN ROAD, THE, THE PLANS ARE UP TO I THINK MAYBE AT LEAST 80%, UH, 90% RIGHT AWAY. YES. SO, SO YES, IT LY DO ABSOLUTELY MOVES IT UP FASTER. REFER TO THOSE TWO. YES. I, I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP BACK, BUT CAN WE JUMP INTO THIS AND YOU KNOW, YOUR THINKING EVERYTHING BUT CITY HALL, I DO THINK WE NEED SOME ATTENTION. THIS LOOKS SO DATED NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE OTHER PART. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU WALK IN HERE, NOTICE THE CARPET, DON'T YOU? YEAH, . I REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD THAT WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY THERE. I JUST, I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT A VERY DATED LOOK HERE, AND THIS IS ON TV QUITE A BIT. THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS HELD IN THESE ROOMS JUST, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE TO COMPLETE THIS AND GET US LOOKING, LOOKING GOOD. WE, UH, WE PLAN TO, TO GATHER THE, EVERYONE THAT'S AFFECTED IN THE PHASE TWO AND REALLY JUST GO BACK THROUGH THE DESIGN, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, HAVE A CONVERSATION. THERE COULD BE SOME MODIFICATION WITH THAT. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE NECESSARILY WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT AS JAY MENTIONED, ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO LOOK AT THESE TWO ROOMS AND SAY, IS THERE SOME COSMETIC UPGRADE? WHETHER IT MAY JUST BE THE FLOORING OR THE FLOORING IN THE CEILING OR LIGHTING OR SOMETHING. I DON'T, UH, AT THIS POINT I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE, UNLESS YOU SAID REMODEL THE WHOLE THING, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT AT ALL. BUT SOME KIND OF COSMETIC UPGRADING STILL TAKEN IN CONSIDER. AND WE'D COME BACK TO YOU OBVIOUSLY ON, ON THESE ROOMS AND IN PARTICULAR THAT ROOM. UH, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, WE LIKE THE WOOD. DON'T CHANGE THE WOOD. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S EASY. OR YOU MIGHT SAY, YEAH, GET RID OF IT. WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S UP TO YOU. CHANGE THE CHAIRS. SO WE WOULD COME BACK IF CHANGE THE CHAIRS, BUT WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE PROBABLY A TOTAL COMPLETE REMODEL, BUT CERTAINLY SOME REFRESHING. YEAH, PLEASE DON'T DO EVERYTHING GREAT. EVERY NEW BUILDING. I THINK THE DESIGNERS ALL WENT THE ONE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL OF GRAY , AND, AND YOU PAY 'EM FOR ALL THIS CREATIVITY AND THEY COME IN AND SLAP GRAY EVERYWHERE. ANYBODY CAN DO THAT. IT'S SO DEPRESSING. IT REALLY IS. I JUST DON'T LIKE IT. I MEAN, THE HOSPITAL IS THE MOST DEPRESSING PLACE. WELL, IT IS ANYWAY. BUT THE NEW PART IS ALL GRAY. IT'S LIKE BEING IN A TUNNEL. IT'S, AND I DON'T WANT THIS FILMING TO LOOK LIKE THAT. WELL, AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS UPSTAIRS PORTION IN THE PHASE TWO, AS WE, UH, HEAD, HEAD DOWN THE HALLWAY, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT LIKE A HOTEL TUNNEL RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, A HOTEL CORRIDOR. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE LAST THING YOU WANT, AND, AND SO PART OF THAT IS TO SAY, TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE ELIMINATE THAT LOOK AND FEEL, AND THE COLORS A BIG PART OF IT AS WELL, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT TOO. YEAH, I, I THINK AN UPDATE IS NEEDED, BUT LET'S JUST DON'T SLAP GRAY ON EVERY WALL AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE THROUGH. I MEAN, I CAN'T STAND THAT . SO NOW WITH, WITH THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DO IT, WE, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE KIND OF HAVE A MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION WITH YOU ON THIS AND TALK ABOUT THESE ROOMS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE SCOPE. WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN THERE, BUT THAT'S TRYING TO PUT A, A, A NUMBER TO IT. YEAH. TO GIVE YOU KINDA A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. ALSO NEW TO THE DISCUSSION IS THIS NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS GENERATOR CONTROL UPGRADES, NOT EVEN IN YOUR CIP. AND THE REASON IS, IS THAT BRENT, OUR FACILITIES COORDINATOR, UH, WHO SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING, HE ACTUALLY GOT SOME ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, WITH SOME STAFFING CHANGES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE DETERMINED THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PLACE TO BE TRYING TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR GENERATORS AND MONITORING THEM. AND BRENT REALLY IS A BETTER PARTY TO DO THAT. HE WORKS REGULARLY WITH A LOT OF CONTRACTORS ON A LOT OF THINGS, AND IT'S IN HIS WHEELHOUSE. AND SO WE HAVE MOVED [00:55:01] THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR GENERATOR, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GENERATORS, UH, OVER TO BRETT AND, UH, NELSON, YOU MENTIONED A, AN UNSCHEDULED, UM, EXERCISE OF THE UPS THAT DIDN'T WORK. RIGHT. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME UNSCHEDULED ISSUES POP UP WHERE YOU REALIZE THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT EXISTS UNTIL IT, IT NEEDS TO RUN AND, AND YOU REALIZE IT DIDN'T RUN. UM, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MONITORING EQUIPMENT IN PLACE ON THESE GENERATORS TO KNOW ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE EMERGENCY. TWO OF THE FACILITIES ARE CRITICAL. POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AND ROBERT E. LEE, THE TOWER SITE WE HAVE OVER THERE RUN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS. OBVIOUSLY A 9 1 1 CENTER, BEING IN PDHQ AND ROBERT E. LEE BEING OUR TOWER SITE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THOSE GENERATORS. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T PAY TO HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT INSTALLED. UH, WHEN PDHQ WAS BUILT, THOSE TWO TOGETHER IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND HIT ALL OF THE GENERATORS THAT WE HAVE FOR ABOUT $500,000 AND GET THE NECESSARY MONITORING EQUIPMENT IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG, WHETHER IT'S LOW FUEL, YOU'VE GOT A MECHANICAL ISSUE, YOU'VE GOT SOME SENSOR ISSUES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BRENT WILL GET A A, AN EMAIL AND A TEXT TO LET HIM KNOW, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE AND WE CAN GO GET ON IT BEFORE SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND WE NEED IT. YES, SIR. SO IS THAT A SPECULATIVE NUMBER BASED ON, HE ASSUMES IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE EQUIPMENT WE OWN, OR IS THAT A PRETTY THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER? PRETTY, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A COMPANY COME IN WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND FEELS LIKE, OKAY, THIS, THIS SYSTEM CAN BE RETROFITTED TO THE GENERATORS. WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR PD HQ AND ROBERT E. LEE, AND WE'VE INTERPRETED THOSE NUMBERS OVER TO THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE GOT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT $500,000 WOULD GET ALL OF THEM. WE, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THEM. NOW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WITH THIS FUNDING BEING FREED UP. JUST GO AHEAD AND KNOCK IT OUT. THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT ALL OF OUR GENERATORS ARE DOING. UM, BUT AT A MINIMUM, OUR REQUEST WOULD BE LET'S AT LEAST DO THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE THOSE TWO FACILITIES ARE CRITICAL FOR US. I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WOULD THIS NORMALLY COME UNDER CIP THOUGH? YES, MA'AM. IT WOULD. YES, MA'AM. WELL, I THINK IT'S TO DO IT ALL IN MY OPINION AND GET, GET IT, BECAUSE THESE GENERATORS HAVE GOOD ORDER MANUAL OVERRIDES, LIKE WHERE YOU CAN LITERALLY GO PHYSICALLY. OH, YES, YES. YEAH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE TRANSFER SWITCHES, BUT YES, OF COURSE THEY'RE MANUAL OVERRIDE. I KNOW LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH FROM POWER GOES OUT, BUT THEY, YOU CAN GO IN IF THEY DON'T SWITCH AND MANUALLY OVER RISE HER. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF A SLEEP AT NIGHT KIND OF THING. , JUST DIFFERENT, UH, ONCE BRENT BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION, I, I REALLY REALIZED THAT, LET'S, LET'S BRING THE WHOLE THING FORWARD. JASON SUPPORTED THAT AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL THINK. AND THEN, UH, STORM DRAIN PROJECTS, UH, WITH DALE BIGGERSTAFF HAVING EYES ON THINGS, HE, UH, HE'S RECOGNIZED THAT WE'VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS ON MARYLAND WAY, UH, IN ADDITION TO OTHER PROJECTS FOR SLIP LINING AND WHATNOT, THAT WE JUST NEED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR. AND SO IT'S A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT COMPARATIVELY, BUT $140,000 WOULD BE PROGRAMMED THERE. NOTE THAT IT COMES TO 12 950, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE A POTENTIAL $5 MILLION BOND ISSUE, WHICH WE TYPICALLY EVERY OTHER YEAR DO ABOUT A $5 MILLION BOND ISSUE. WE'VE ALWAYS GOT A PROJECT TO THROW THAT TOWARD. UM, AND A A LITTLE BIT OF A CASH MANAGEMENT STRATEGY MAYBE, BUT NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CASH. UM, SO WE, WE COULD, OR WE COULD NOT DO A, A BOND ISSUE. BUT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. OF COURSE, THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS FACILITY, THIS IS AN OLD NUMBER. WE DON'T HAVE A NEW NUMBER FOR THIS ONE, BUT $5 MILLION WAS THE STANDALONE FACILITY NUMBER BEFORE WE INCORPORATED IT INTO THE, UM, POTENTIAL RACKET FACILITY. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME VERY, VERY ROUGH DESIGN NUMBERS ON IT, IS THAT THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE 5 BILLION. THAT NUMBER COULD BE A GOOD BIT MORE THAN THAT. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE PROCEED FURTHER INTO DESIGN PROPERTY FOR FIRE STATIONS TWO AND THREE. UM, YOU KNOW, STATION TWO IS VERY LONG IN THE TOOTH AND WE'VE GOT IT IN THE CIP TO BE REPLACED. SHOULD IT BE REPLACED WHERE IT IS, CAN IT EVEN FIT PROPERLY WHERE IT IS WITH THE CONVENIENCE CENTER RECYCLING CENTER RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT? OR DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT IN THAT AREA? YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED PRETTY CLOSELY AT THAT PROPERTY. UM, AND IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY LONG AND NARROW. UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, ZONING SETBACK THAT IF, SO, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST, UH, TAKE THAT PROPERTY'S CLEARED OFF AND YOU WERE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THERE UNDER THAT CURRENT, UH, UH, ZONING, UM, BASED ON IT BEING ON AN ARTERIAL STREET, YOU WOULD HAVE NO ROOM TO BUILD. THAT'S, THAT'S THE, SO WHAT THAT RE RESULTS IN IS THAT IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE, UH, TO STAY ON THAT JUST FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE. YOU'D HAVE TO GRANT YOURSELF TO SIGNIFICANT GRANT ITSELF. THE SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE, IT LITERALLY FROM THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, I BELIEVE IT'S 150 FEET, [01:00:01] THE REAR YARD IS 75, I BELIEVE 25. AND THEY BOTH BASICALLY, I CROSS OVER, I I PLOT 'EM ON THE GIS MAP AND THEY CROSS OVER. SO LITERALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACK FOR THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S NO SPACE IF YOU WANT TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT TO PUT A BUILDING BACK. AND IF YOU TAKE SOMETHING OFF, THEN THE QUESTION IS DO YOU GIVE YOURSELF A VARIANCE TO DO THAT? THAT'S BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS, IS ON BEING ON THAT PROPERTY, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TOO. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONSCIOUSLY LOOKING AT PROPERTIES FOR BOTH STATION TWO AND THREE BECAUSE, UH, EVEN IF YOU WOULDN'T PLAN TO BUILD A STATION, EITHER ONE OF THEM OR BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THAT FOR MANY YEARS, GETTING THE PROPERTY, THAT PROPERTY DOESN'T USUALLY GO DOWN IN COST AND YOU USUALLY DON'T HAVE MORE AVAILABLE OPTIONS WHEN YOU'RE READY. SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD AND TRY TO FIND PROPERTIES AND HAVE BEEN IN SOME CONVERSATIONS, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THIS YEAR, BUT WE THINK WE COULD FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, TO HAVE THAT UP THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHICH ONE IS THREE? THREE IS THE SERVICE CENTER ON SUNSET? YEAH. AS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, FOUR IS ON SUNSET SERVICE CENTER ON, UH, GENERAL GEORGE PAT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. AND IS IT, THE RATES ARE NEEDED JUST MORE TO GET THE BUILDINGS UP TO DATE OR TO HOUSE THE NEWER TRUCKS. AND SO, SO STATION THREE IS POORLY LOCATED AND FIRE RESCUE REALLY HAS IT AS A PRIORITY FOR THEM TO TRY AND GET IT CLOSER, UH, TO THE INTERSTATE, CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, FASTER RESPONSE TIMES. OKAY. UM, WE, WE HAVE TALKED, AND I REALIZE NOT EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE, IN THE ROOM. UM, THERE WERE COMMISSIONERS, BUT UM, WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE SERVICE CENTER AND HOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE THERE FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO, TO PROPERLY SERVE THEM FOR COMMUNICATION IN TERMS OF TEAM MEETINGS, UM, MORNING ASSEMBLIES, THAT TYPE OF THING, UH, FOR THEM TO EAT LUNCH THAT RATHER WITHOUT SITTING IN THEIR VEHICLES TO TRY AND EAT LUNCH. UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH STATION THREE MATTERS WITH THAT. SO WE, WE HAD FIRST TALKED ABOUT DOING A SPACE PLANNING NEEDS ANALYSIS THERE, BUT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO PROGRAM THAT SPACE. SO IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO MOVE, WE CAN IDENTIFY LAND AND ACQUIRE IT, THEN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE SERVICE CENTER AND WE CAN BEGIN PLANNING FOR IT APPROPRIATELY. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF TWO BIG QUESTIONS OUT THERE. COULD, COULD THE PARK'S OFFICE GO WHERE? STATION TWO? THAT'S WILSON PARK, RIGHT? IS NO, MA'AM. WHY NOT? WELL, NUMBER ONE, THEY WOULDN'T BE, THEY NEED TO BE RIGHT IN THE PARK. LIKE, LIKE IN CROCKETT PARK, THEY'RE, OH, OKAY. THEY'RE, IDEALLY, IT SEEM PRETTY CLOSE TO ME THOUGH, RIGHT AROUND. YEAH, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE STORAGE AREA FOR EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT'S, THE SITE'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO IT, ESPECIALLY STILL, THAT'S NOT A GREAT SITE BEING ON THE CURVE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA, ANY VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF IT. WELL, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE PROPERTY IF WE MOVE THE BUILDING? DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT ANSWER YET. NOT SURE. SO J ALONG THOSE LINES, SO WITH THE PARKS HQ LINE AND THE PROPERTY FOR FIRE STATIONS TWO AND THREE, SO INITIALLY I WAS THINKING IF WE MOVE FIRE STATION THREE OUT OF THE SERVICE CENTER, MY FIRST QUESTION IS GONNA BE IS DOES THAT ALLEVIATE THE NEED TO MOVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OUT OF THE SERVICE CENTER? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WELL, YEAH. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BOTH JUST INDEPENDENT PROJECTS MOVING FIRE STATION THREE TO SOMEPLACE BETTER LOGISTICALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, A BETTER LOCATION DOESN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN FREE UP THE SPACE AND SAVE THE SERVICE CENTER FOR EVERYTHING ELSE BESIDES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE LOGISTICS OF PARKS AND ALL THEIR CREWS HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE SERVICE CENTER ALL THE TIME. YEAH. WHEN THEY COULD BE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED AMONGST THE PARKS. AND I KNOW INITIALLY I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOCATION FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, NOT FAR FROM THE, UM, THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE, UH, THE, UH, CONCESSION STAND IN KRAKEN PARK, KIND OF IN THAT PARKING LOT BETWEEN THOSE TWO RIGHT. BY THE RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH ISN'T REALLY USEFUL FOR ANYTHING ELSE. 'CAUSE IT'S FAXED RIGHT UP ON THE RAILROAD TRACK, BUT IT GIVE YOU A PLACE TO HIDE THE EQUIPMENT WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY VISIBLE TO ANYBODY. YOU KNOW, IT'S FAIRLY SAFE. IT'S BORDERED BY THE RAILROAD. AND SO IS THAT STILL THE LOCATION? YES, SIR. WE GOT THE MAINTENANCE BARN THERE NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. AND BASICALLY WE JUST GROW THAT FOOTPRINT TO BE, TO HANDLE ALL OF THEIR OPERATIONS. GOTCHA. YOU PUT 'EM RIGHT IN THE PARK AND ACCESS A BUNCH OF PARKS THROUGH THE CHARLES CITY. YES. AND, AND ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT HERE IS THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE PARK'S HQ NUMBER, IS, UM, IN THE NEXT SAY 12 MONTHS, IF YOU SAID, HEY, COULD YOU PLAN A PROJECT, DESIGN A PROJECT AND BE UNDER CONTRACT? I SUPPOSE WE COULD, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER, THAT'S A, THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A FUNGIBLE NUMBER. WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT IN TOTAL. BUT IT, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IT TAKES QUITE A FEW MONTHS JUST TO GET DESIGN. SO IF YOU SAY, OKAY, WE SETTLE ON DESIGN, LET'S SAY IT'S THE CROCKETT PARK LOCATION, WHICH MAKES PRETTY [01:05:01] GOOD SENSE, IT'S CENTRALIZED, UM, AND LET'S, UH, FUND DESIGN, WE COULD DO THAT THIS YEAR. WE STILL DIDN'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THE CAPITAL IN THE FUTURE YEAR WHEN WE'RE READY FOR THAT. BUT WE COULD DO, WE COULD PICK OFF THE PHASE OF DESIGN FIRST, START MOVING THEM ALL ON THAT, THAT AS WELL. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK YOU'RE WITH THIS, YOU'RE LOCKED IN TOTALLY TO A CONSTRUCTION. WE STILL NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT DESIGN, WHICH WOULD BE A PRETTY EASY THING TO DO ONCE WE KNOW FOR SURE WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE, WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND WORK ON THAT. SO, SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME ROOM TO MOVE IN ALL THAT AS WELL. THE, THE STATIONS TOO, AND THREE, JAY MENTIONED THE SOUTH STATION IS, UH, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WHITE AREA ON THERE AS THE, THE RESPONSE AREA, AND YOU PUT A.IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S THE IDEAL LOCATIONS TO BE GENERALLY IN THE MIDDLE. SO YOU CAN GO IN ALL DIRECTIONS FOR YOUR RESPONSE TIMES, IN ESSENCE, THE DOT'S ON THE VERY BOTTOM. AND SO YOU HAVE HALF OF A RESPONSE AREA THAT WE DON'T GO TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION. SO THEREFORE YOU WASTE THE CAPACITY AND, UH, AND THE, UH, THE SERVICE, UH, UH, RESPONSE OF THAT STATION. SO I'M, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY IT WAS EVER PUT THERE. THERE PROBABLY WAS A REASON IT MADE SENSE AT THE TIME FROM A RESPONSE PERSPECTIVE, TRYING TO GET THAT.IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. AND SO WE'RE CLOSE TO IT, AND SO WE THINK WE CAN GET IT PRETTY CLOSE TO IT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THERE. NOW, DO WE THINK THAT TWO PROPERTIES WOULD COST $5 MILLION? WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE. THAT WOULD BE BY FAR, PROBABLY ON THE VERY, VERY HIGH END. AND WE THINK PROBABLY, AND HOPEFULLY THAT IF WE HAVE SOME, SOME FORTUNE, WE'D BE WELL UNDER THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE JUST, WE DIDN'T WANT TO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH IN THAT TO KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME. RIGHT. SO, SO, WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THINGS AS A WHOLE TO PIVOT OFF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE SERVICE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, THE WORK ENVIRONMENT AND PEOPLE HAVING LUNCH IN THEIR TRUCKS AND WHATNOT. SO TAKE THAT BACK UP TO OUR FIRST LINE IN THE CITY HALL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING CONSCIOUS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS ROOM AND THE CHAMBER. UM, TO ME THE PRIORITY IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE A GOOD ENVIRONMENT AND A GOOD WORK ENVIRONMENT, BOTH TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN THE PERSON PERSONNEL THAT WE WANT, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE WORKFLOW. MM-HMM . BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE IN OUR OWN BUSINESS THAT THE ADJACENCIES AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE FOR COLLABORATION MAKES A BIG IMPACT. SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WITH FRESH EYES, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GOT SOME NEW, NEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS AND THINKING ABOUT, WELL, TO ME THE BIGGEST PRIORITY IS MAKING A BIG IMPACT FOR THE TEAM AND THE CULTURE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FACILITIES REALLY ARE CONDUCIVE FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OR I THINK, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY CALLED HONEY OAK, OUR TRIM. I MEAN, I THINK HONEY OAK IS KIND OF TIMELESS. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T TOUCH ANY OF THAT. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY AWESOME LIGHTING SYSTEM IN GENERAL. THE A CRATE FILTERS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DATED, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, IT'S, BUT YOU KNOW, BUT THE, TO ME, THE PRIORITY IS TO, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, REALLY LOOK AT IT FROM THE, THE WORKPLACE PERSPECTIVE AND THE ADJACENCIES IN THE TEAM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON BEING ABLE TO HIRE AND RETAIN AND COLLABORATE AS A, AS A CITY STAFF FOR DOING THAT. AND THE SAME KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS AND THE, THE FIRE STATIONS. JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL OPERATIONAL NATURE OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE TO DO THE JOB FOR OUR CITIZENS MOST EFFECTIVELY? AND WE WERE, WE WERE THINKING IN THESE ROOMS THAT THE FLOORING IS PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU WOULD LOOK AT. WE WERE CONSIDERING GRAY. I'M JUST KIDDING. . JUST KIDDING, MA'AM. NOT AT ALL GRAY. UM, THE, THE OTHER THING TOO IS TODAY WE DON'T, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS, AS, AS, UH, AN EXPECTATION OF SAYING, OKAY, LET'S LOCK IN THESE, ANY OF THESE THAT YOU CHOOSE WITH THAT NUMBER. REALLY THE EXPECTATION IS, IS IF YOU CAN TELL US, COMMUNICATE TO US WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND DO THE FOLLOW UP REVIEW. SOME ARE CLOSER THAN OTHERS, AND THEN THOSE NUMBERS WILL LIKELY CHANGE SOME. AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND SORT OF REFINE THAT AND THEN TALK ABOUT A REFINED LIST, REFINED DOLLARS, SEE WHAT'S LEFT, SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS AND CHOICES YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME WORK TO BE DONE HERE BEFORE WE JUST THROW A NUMBER IN A BUDGET. IT'S A SMALL ITEM, KIND OF THE SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD EARLIER. UH, THE 2030 PLAN UPDATE THAT IS A CAPITAL PROJECT. I FIGURED THAT WOULD JUST BE, I, WE, IT'S A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, UH, BUDGET ITEM. IT'S ALWAYS, WE'VE ALWAYS PUT LARGER PLANNING INITIATIVES LIKE THAT IN THE CAPITAL, CAPITAL JUST 'CAUSE OF LARGER EXPENDITURE, BUT IT, IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECT. SURE. YEAH. AND, AND IT'S SMALL ENOUGH. IT'S, WE JUST WANTED TO KEEP IT ON YOUR RADAR BASICALLY. YEAH. WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE AGAIN, MOVING IT UP, UH, A YEAR, UH, JUST KEEPING IT OUT THERE SO YOU SEE IT, IF, IF IF IT GOT SQUEEZED OUT, WE COULD FIND ANOTHER WAY. IT'S NOT SURE, FIND IT NOT TOO BIG A DEAL. I DO THINK WE NEED TO DO IT. I MEAN, IT'S TIME TO DO THE PLAN. AND DAN'S POINT, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS PLAN AND [01:10:01] WE NEED TO KEEP THAT GOING. ARE THE STORM DRAIN PROJECTS THAT'S JUST MARYLAND FARMS, RIGHT? UM, IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL MARYLAND FARMS. THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF OTHER SLIP LINE PROJECTS ISSUE, OR WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LARGE INVENTORY OF, UH, CULVERTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE SLIP LINED. OKAY. AND, AND DALE TOOK A, TAKEN A GOOD LOOK AT THAT AND SAID, NO, WE, WE REALLY NEED THAT. PLUS THE PREVIOUSLY UNIDENTIFIED MARYLAND FARMS MARYLAND WAY, UH, CULVERTS CITY LINING, WE NEED ABOUT $140,000. AND, AND IF, IF ALL HEADS ARE NODDING IN AGREEMENT, THOSE TWO THINGS WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD PRETTY QUICKLY WITH IS THE GENERATOR CONTROLS AND THE STORM DRAIN. YEAH. THOSE ARE PRETTY EASY. . I THINK THAT'S A NO BRAINER. PERSONALLY, I, EVERYTHING UP THERE, I THINK WORTHY, VERY PERTINENT. VERY, YEAH. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD LIST. I KNOW THOSE AMOUNTS ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE MORE, BUT AS YOU SAID, IT IS CAPITAL IMPROVE THIS, IT'S GONNA BE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, TYPICALLY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. AND SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET PROBABLY MORE INFORMATION AND MAYBE SOME, YEAH. SOME HARDER NUMBERS SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IN CASE THERE IS SOMETHING WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO WAIT MM-HMM . BUT, BUT YEAH, I, AND THOSE ACTUALLY AS I WENT THROUGH, WERE ALL THE ONES THAT, UH, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT DOING THE 2030 PLAN UPDATE OUT THERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE STORM WATER OR THE GENERATOR CONTROLS, BUT THE OTHERS, I THOUGHT THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE HIGH IMPORTANCE, I DON'T WANNA USE THE TERM URGENCY, BUT HIGH IMPORTANCE. AND SOME OF 'EM TECHNICALLY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PROCESS MM-HMM . AND WERE PUSHED BACK. SO THE, UH, THE CONTINGENCY ON THE OLD SMY AND MCEWEN AS WELL. ONCE THOSE, UH, PROJECTS ARE UNDER CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS, UM, IF WE DON'T NEED THE CONTINGENCY THAT COMES RIGHT BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR SOMETHING. SO THOSE ARE REALLY, IT'S JUST HOLDS TO BE, TO BE, UH, CAUTIOUS WITH THE MARKET. AND TIMING WISE, IT SEEMS TO ME ALSO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS COMPLETELY MM-HMM . BUT WE SHOULD KNOW 'EM WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. YEAH. FAIRLY CONCRETE. MM-HMM . WE MAY FIND IF THEY'RE MUCH LESS THAT THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BOND ISSUE. MM-HMM . BECAUSE TECHNICALLY EVERYTHING ABOVE THE LINE DOESN'T REQUIRE MIND ISSUE. YEAH. EVERYTHING BELOW AS WE SIT NOW WOULD, UNLESS THOSE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. MM-HMM . UH, AND I'M THINKING BACK TO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE CITY HALL, BUT THEN IT WAS JUST IN THE PHASE ONE. WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN AT THAT TIME ABOUT $22.5 MILLION MORE TO DO IT IF WE HAD DONE IT ALL TOGETHER? NO, THIS WAS, UH, IT WAS I THINK $3 MILLION. IT WAS 3 MILLION. SO YOU JUST ADDED ANOTHER BEYOND WHAT WE 500. YES. THOUSAND JUST AS INFLATION. INFLATION AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS. AND THAT NUMBER DIDN'T INCLUDE FIXTURES, FURNITURE EQUIPMENT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK TOO THAT THIS IS, THIS IS SO GOOD AND YOU THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO REALLY WELL AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A TAX INCREASE. AND WE SIT HERE AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE KIND OF NUMBERS, THAT THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO NOT ONLY THE CITY COMMISSION BUT THE STAFF AND HOW WELL THIS IS PLANNED OUT. THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN AT ALL, YOU KNOW? AND TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS, JUST LIKE RAY SAID, AND REALLY EVERYTHING ABOVE THE LINE WE'RE OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE AT BRENTWOOD DO APPRECIATE AND SHOULD APPRECIATE. SO ON THE, UM, THE FRANKLIN ROAD BIKE PEDESTRIAN PATH, I GUESS, I MEAN, RAY AND JANET AND KIM Y ALL JUST CAME THROUGH AN ELECTION CYCLE AND DID Y'ALL HEAR ABOUT THIS MUCH? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND, AND NOT JUST FROM THE BIKERS, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA TO BE ABLE TO WALK. UM, AND ALSO PEOPLE THAT WERE ENTRUSTED IN, IF THEY LIVE SOUTH OF CONCORD TO BE, BE ABLE TO COME ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BUSINESS AREA. PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE STRONGER BIKERS WHO MIGHT WANNA GO TO GET A MEAL THERE OR THAT WORK IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM . UM, THEY WERE, THEY LIKED THE CONTINUITY TO BE ABLE TO COME UP FROM THE SOUTH. YEAH. THEY LIKED THE NORTH SOUTH. I MEAN, I HEARD FROM PARENTS OF CHILDREN WHO WERE OF AN AGE THAT THEY WOULD'VE FELT COMFORTABLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE IN MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH SCHOOLERS A LOT OF TIMES DRIVE, BUT THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEM COMING UP THERE, GOING TO SCHOOL. UM, PEOPLE THAT WALKED REALLY HEARD A LOT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO BIKE. OKAY. UH, BUT SINCE IT'S JUST THAT SMALL GAP RIGHT. THAT YOU LITERALLY, IF YOU'RE WALKING OR BIKING OR ANYTHING, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO KIND OF TAKE A HIGH RISK [01:15:01] TO BRIDGE THAT POINT BETWEEN MURRAY LANE AND CONCOR ROAD THAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT OPTION. UM OKAY. FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL EVEN BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF FRANKLIN ROAD. A LOT OF THEM EVEN LIKED IT, I THINK FROM THE FACT THAT THEY COULD GO FROM THERE IF THEY WANTED TO WALK TO SOMETHING MM-HMM . IN, YOU KNOW, IN MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA. YEAH. OR WITH UNITED METHODIST CHURCH OR WHATEVER. SO WE KNOW IT'S THE LAST PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST WAY TO GET THE SENTIMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. WELL, AND I, I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM MAINLY PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE MM-HMM . IT WASN'T LIKE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SHOULD WE, COULD WE, IT WAS IN THE PLANS AND THEY WERE VERY FRUSTRATED THAT IT WAS, IT GOT MOVED OUT. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING AND I THINK THE RUNNERS ALSO NOT JUST BIKE BAR PEOPLE. MM-HMM . THE RUNNERS. BECAUSE IF YOU EVER LOOK AT APRIL WHEN PEOPLE ARE GEARING UP FOR THE COUNTRY MUSIC, THEY RUN THAT SIX MILE LOOP. UM, FRANKLIN MURRAY, GRANNY WHITE MARYLAND, SO THAT'S EXACTLY SIX MILES AROUND THERE. AND SO IF, YEAH. SO IF YOU LIKE GO EARLY SOME SATURDAY MORNING IN APRIL, YOU'LL SEE THEY HAVE WATER STATIONS AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. YEAH. SO TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION FOR PEOPLE TO DO MORE THAN SIX MILES TO GO, 'CAUSE WHEN THEY TRAIN, THEY, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE DISTANCE, WHATEVER. SURE. THAT WOULD REALLY OPEN UP SOME POSSIBILITIES THERE. OH, VERY COOL. AND WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US TO TODAY? I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM YOU. YEAH. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE LIST? I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING? AND IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LIST, WE HAVE PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE REFINEMENT WORK TO DO WITH SOME OF THESE. SOME OF 'EM, AS JAY MENTIONED, THE GENERAL, UH, GENERATOR CONTROL STORM DRAIN, THAT'S PRETTY SET. UH, HOW MUCH WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK, SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH, UH, ENGINEERING ON THE TWO ROAD PROJECTS TO REFINE THOSE NUMBERS. UH, CITY HALL PHASE TWO, UH, UH, WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE. UM, AND TRY TO SEE HOW WE CAN BUILD ROOM FOR, OR WHAT WE MAY NEED TO DO WITH PARKED PARKS HQ, WHICH MAY BE DESIGNED, MAY, MAY ACTUALLY BE THE PHASE YOU END UP FUNDING IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT. AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPERTY, UH, FOR FIRE STATIONS, THAT WE CAN ACT ON AT LEAST ONE OF THEM AT THIS TIME. SO, UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK, BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LIST, WE'LL GO DO THE REFINING. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS. WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE COULD WITH WHAT WE KNEW AT THIS TIME, BUT, UH, WE CAN GO DO THAT AND THEN WE REFINE, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, UH, AND SEE WHAT STEPS WOULD BE. SO ON, ON THE BOND ISSUE, WHICH IS, UH, THE QUESTION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO I, I, I NOTICED FROM BEING ON THE COMMISSION, WE TALK ABOUT THE BOND ISSUES AS BEING THINGS THAT WE TEND TO PUT AND PLAN WELL IN ADVANCE THE BOND ISSUING COMPANIES LET THE CONSISTENCY. UM, AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY MAYBE THAN A TRADITIONAL, I GUESS, COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE IN THAT AS A BUSINESS PERSON, WE USE DEBT AS PART OF OUR CAPITAL STRUCTURE ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS. YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE A WELL, UH, SOME VARIETY IN OUR CAPITAL STRUCTURE AND TO BE SURE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS DRIVEN. I MEAN, THE BEST TIME TO GO AND, AND ADD DEBT IS WHEN YOU DON'T NEED CASH. MM-HMM . UM, BECAUSE YOU GET BETTER RATES. IT'S JUST A BETTER WAY TO MANAGE THE OVERALL THING. SO I GUESS THAT'S IT. I FEEL LIKE THE BOND ISSUE OR NOT IS LESS OF A POLITICAL QUESTION IN MY MIND THAN A QUESTION TO THE FINANCE STAFF TO SAY, HEY, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON AND GIVEN WHAT WE THINK, IS IT SMARTER TO HAVE $5 MILLION ADDED TO OUR DEBT STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER DEBT BONDS WE HAVE THAT ARE BEING PAID OFF AND COMING OUT. HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT? SO I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF A, AN ENGINEERING QUESTION IF YOU WILL. YOU KNOW, A QUESTION FOR THE FINANCE STAFF AS MUCH AS A POLITICAL QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION. OKAY. I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION. IT IS A POLITICAL QUESTION THOUGH. UH, I, I CERTAINLY GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS A BUSINESSMAN, BUT THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS, RIGHT? AT WHAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT A CITY TAKING ON DEBT, PERIOD. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY INCREASING YOUR DEBT SERVICE. AND WHILE I I LOVE THAT IDEA. THE FLEXIBILITY IS GREAT. I, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN JUST BE A ROUTINE PART OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS TAKING ON DEBT. I THINK WE GET A LOT OF BLOW BACK ON THAT. I I REALLY DO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORD BOND JUST BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH REFERENDUM DURING THE ELECTION. RIGHT. IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF FAIR? OH YEAH. TO SAY. AND, UM, I THINK I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, AND KAREN, MAYBE YOU COULD [01:20:01] TELL US HOW MANY BONDS DOES OR, YOU KNOW, OR DEBT ITEMS DOES THE CITY HAVE RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS OR WHATEVER, THAT WE TAKE A BOND AS A CITY HAVE TO DO THINGS WITH IT? UM, BECAUSE THE, THE ONE DURING THE CAMPAIGN WAS SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THE, UH, ROCKET FACILITY. YEAH. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, MYSELF INCLUDED, DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A ROUTINE. I'M NOT A BUSINESS PERSON, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A ROUTINE FINANCE TYPE DEAL. SO DO WE HAVE SEVERAL OUT THERE THAT ARE JUST ALL PURPOSE KIND OF FUNDS? WE PROGRAM, PROGRAM THEM ALL TO BE FLEXIBLE. OKAY. SO SHOULD ANYTHING CHANGE AS THE PLANNING PROCESS? SO DO WE HAVE OUTSTANDING BONDS RIGHT NOW? YES. MM-HMM . ABOUT $26,950,000 WORTH OF PRINCIPAL. AND SEVERAL TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN COMMISSIONER THE LAST 16 YEARS, WE'VE PAID 'EM OFF EARLY BECAUSE IT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO DO THAT FROM A INTEREST RATE OR WHATEVER. AND SO WE DO VERY WISE, WE RETIRE THEM. YEAH, EXACTLY. NOW SEE TO ME IT WOULD BE BETTER RATHER THAN JUST A BOND ISSUE IS I THINK IT IS BETTER FOR IT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING POLICE HEADQUARTERS, RIGHT? YEAH. PARKS HEADQUARTERS CAPITAL NEEDS A ROAD. EXACTLY. SO TO ME, WE WOULD ALMOST NEED TO GET THROUGH THE DESIGN. 'CAUSE DON'T WE USUALLY LET THOSE BONDS IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIME RANGE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR. YEAH. AND SO RATHER THAN THIS CYCLE, 'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW IF WE DECIDED WE NEEDED THAT, DEPENDING ON THOSE CONTINGENCIES UP THERE THEN. AND IT MIGHT BE THAT NOT THE 5 MILLION THAT WAS PLUGGED IN, IF THE CONTINGENCIES AREN'T AS, OH, WE REALLY JUST NEED 1.2 MILLION CONTINGENCY ON THIS ROAD, IT COULD BE A TWO OR $3 MILLION BOND ISSUE IF WE NEEDED THAT FOR THAT PROJECT. RIGHT. I THINK IT WOULD BE HERE MARKED THERE RIGHT NOW STILL TOO. ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, GENERALLY IS, AS YOU MENTIONED IT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S PRETTY STRONG SUPPORT FOR REASONABLE AMOUNT OF DEBT ISSUANCE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CORE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. ROADWAY PROJECTS ARE USUALLY VERY POPULAR FACILITY PROJECTS DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THOSE ARE USUALLY, AND THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY WELL WHAT WE'VE USED THEM FOR HERE. MM-HMM . UM, I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS EVEN THOUGH THE, THE, THE, UH, BOND RATING AGENCIES GET VERY TECHNICAL, THE MAIN THINGS THEY LOOK FOR ARE SORT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITIZENS LOOK FOR. WHAT'S OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION, WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC HEALTH? AND THE BIG ONE IS, IS WELL, HOW MUCH DEBT DO YOU ALREADY HAVE COMPARED TO NOT ONLY WHAT YOU COULD HAVE LEGALLY, BUT COMPARED TO YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION. AND ALL OF THOSE PUT TOGETHER ARE WHY YOU HAVE AAA BOND RATING, WHICH GENERALLY MEANS A STRONG, UH, LOCAL OR REGIONAL ECONOMY. UH, A REALLY GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION FROM, UH, BOTH UH, STABLE REVENUES AND YOUR SPENDING PATTERNS AND YOUR, UH, YOUR FUND BALANCES. BUT ALSO HAVING A FAIRLY LOW AMOUNT OF DEBT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU COULD HAVE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT AS WELL. AND I THINK THOSE ALL ARE FACTORS IN THERE. SO, UM, WHAT WE WOULD WANNA DO IS REALLY AS WE REFINE THESE, TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE, BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THESE WILL RUN OUT AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT DO WE HAVE THE CASH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? DO WE REALLY EVEN NEED TO CONSIDER RIGHT. ANY KIND OF DEBT ISSUANCE TODAY? THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE, LIKE I SAID, PARK PARKS, HQ'S PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR OFF. UH, PERHAPS FROM, FROM LOOKING AT WHAT THE ACTUAL COST OF A FACILITY WOULD BE IN FUNDING THAT PART OF IT THAT COULD ACTUALLY FIT INTO YOUR, UH, LONG RANGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS. STILL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. WE NEED TO LOOK FURTHER AHEAD. UM, SO, SO THERE'S NOT EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO RIGHT NOW, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WE REFINE THESE. IF YOU SAY WE'RE JUST GOOD WITH THE LIST STAFF, GO BACK AND DO THE NEXT LEVEL OF WORK, WE CAN DO THAT AND COME BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. ANOTHER THING ON BONDS, SINCE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT IT, AND WE, I THINK DID A PORTION OF A BOND FOR THE REHABILITATE OR THE, THE SURGE TANK IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL IT. THE YEAH. LARGE. THE ONE THAT WE BUILT AND THE ONE WE'RE GONNA BUILD. BUT WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE COMMISSION, WE WERE UNDER REAL STRICT GUIDELINES ON WATER SEWER, AND WE DID $30 MILLION OF WATER SEWER REHABILITATION. AND MOST OF THAT WAS BONDED, IF I REMEMBER. YES SIR. FUNDED WITH BONDS. BUT THAT IS ALSO A S AND THAT WAS ONE THING WHEN I FIRST BECAME A COMMISSIONER, IT WAS LIKE, KIND OF CONFUSED ME. THE CITY IN A SENSE STILL OWES THAT MONEY, BUT WATER AND SEWER, SINCE IT'S A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT THAT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, RIGHT. ARE WE AS CITIZENS WHO BUY FROM WITH CITY WATER AND RIGHT. DO USE A SEWER, WE PAY FOR THOSE BONDS IN OUR RATES. MM-HMM . SO, SO SOMETIMES ON THE CIPI REMEMBER THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, I WOULD KIND OF GET 'EM CONFUSED THAT THE, BUT THAT'S LIKE TOTALLY [01:25:01] SEPARATE. AND THAT HAS TO, AND BY LAW THEY CAN'T OPERATE IN A DEFICIT BECAUSE IF YOU DO, THE STATE WILL COME IN AND TAKE OVER YOUR WATER DEPARTMENT. SO SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BONDS AND I USED TO, THAT USED TO CONFUSE ME A LITTLE BIT. I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST MENTION THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, IT IS A TAXPAYER'S OBLIGATION. 'CAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE BRENTWOOD CITY WATER ALSO PAY BRENTWOOD CITY TAXES, BUT IT'S THEIR WATER RATE THAT PAYS FOR THAT. YEAH. AND, AND SOME OTHER FACTORS TOO THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE WEEDS BUT ARE STILL IMPORTANT. WHAT IS THE INTEREST RATE? AND WHEN YOU HAVE AAA BOND RATING, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE BEST INTEREST RATE OUT THERE. AND HAVING A A A WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY COMPETITIVE INTEREST RATE IN A MARKETPLACE IS USUALLY A FAVORABLE, UH, UH, PLACE TO BE. ANOTHER IS THE TERM, RIGHT? SO WHY GO UP TO SAY 30 YEARS ON A CAPITAL IF YOU DON'T A CAPITAL PROJECT, IF YOU DON'T NEED TO, YOU CAN BE IN THE 10 OR 15 YEARS. SO IF YOU CAN GO WITH A SHORTER TERM, THAT ALSO AFFECTS THE INTEREST RATE ALONG WITH THE BOND RATING, AND YOU CAN HAVE A FAVORABLE POSITION. AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS, UH, YOU CAN IMAGINE SPEAKING WITH SOMEBODY ON ONE OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS. LET'S SAY WE HAD A MAJOR ROAD PROJECT OUT THERE AND IT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE ONE. AND THEY SAY, WELL, OKAY, WHEN, UH, IT'S NEEDED TODAY AND NO ONE DISAGREES, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED. AND, UH, WHEN CAN WE DO THAT PROJECT? AND WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE SAVING FOR IT. WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE BEFORE YOU SAVE ENOUGH? WELL, IT COULD BE 10 OR 15 YEARS. RIGHT? WELL, THAT PERSON MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THAT IN 10 OR 15 YEARS. THEY MAY CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR SAVINGS BUT NOT BE THERE LATER, DEPENDING ON JOB OR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF USING DEBT IN A VERY CONSERVATIVE AND REASONABLE, UH, WAY WITH THOSE FACTORS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WHILE YOU'RE PAYING IN, YOU CAN GET THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT AND YOU CAN MATCH THE TIMELINES UP, UH, PRETTY WELL. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS. BUT YOU WANT ALL THE OTHER FACTORS TO BE IN PLACE AS WELL. AND WE HAVE A VERY STRONG DEBT POLICY, SO YES. MM-HMM . AND THEN RAYMOND JAMES IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE RATES AND FEEDING BACK THAT INFORMATION TOO. I THINK FOR THE, FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TOO, KAREN, WHEN WE'VE HAD A BOND ISSUE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM RAYMOND JAMES, I CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME. RICK. RICK, BUT RICK ALWAYS COMES AND HE TOTALLY EXPLAINS THAT. AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE RETIRED SOME DEBT BECAUSE IT INTEREST RATES WERE SO HIGH AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PLAY THE INTEREST RATE GAME THERE. AND HE, HE CLARIFIES ALL THAT FOR US, WHICH I THINK IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE LIKE COMMISSIONER DUNN ALWAYS SAYS, WE'RE SPENDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY. AND FOR HIM TO CLARIFY THAT IS ALWAYS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. WE VOTE VOICE, VOTE SINGLY ON BOND ISSUES. MM-HMM . WITH NO RAISING OF HANDS OR VOTE ALL AT ONCE. SO IT'S A BIG DEAL. IT IS A BIG DEAL. BIG DEAL. SO WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF YOU NEED TO EVEN CONSIDER BONDING RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE GET THROUGH AND REFINE IF YOU, IF YOU SAY, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THESE THINGS, LET'S FOCUS MORE ON THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S UP FIRST AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND REFINE THE NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND IF WE THINK WE NEED TO, WE'LL COME BACK, BUT WE'RE NOT DEFAULTING TO THAT. I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN WE DID THE $20 MILLION, I LIKE MAYOR OUR LIST FOR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, THAT WAS A VERY SOBERING EXPERIENCE. ONE KAREN AND I, I HAD TO SIGN, BUT I HAD TO GIVE THE APPROVAL TOO, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. SO THAT WAS LIKE, WHOA. BUT I THINK WE GOT IT AT REALLY, REALLY GOOD INTEREST RATES COMPARED TO WHAT YOU PAY NOW FOR INTEREST. SO, SO YEAH, WE DO WELL, AND I REMEMBER THE ONE TIME GOING TO MOODY'S WITH RANDY SANDERS AND MIKE WALKER AND ROGER HORNER AND MIKE TOLD ME, JUST BE QUIET AND LET US DO . THEY DON'T LIKE SMALL TALK AND THEY DIDN'T, WE WERE IN THERE FIVE MINUTES AND WE WERE OUT. I MEAN, NO, HOW ARE YOU? NOTHING. YOU KNOW. WOW. RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I HAVE ONE OTHER TOPIC I WANNA JUST HIT REAL QUICK, BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE LIST? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US GOING TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF WORK? IT'S GOOD. OKAY. UM, JUST SORT OF A REMINDER, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE, THE VETERANS MONUMENT AND HAVING GOOD COMMITTEE MEETINGS. UH, JUST A REMINDER, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT? UH, WE HAVE 50,000 OF CITY FUNDS IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, BUDGET FOR THAT. WE ALSO SHOW ANOTHER ONE 50, BUT THAT'S ON THE ANTICIPATION OF SORT OF A GUESSTIMATE OF PRIVATE FUNDRAISING. AND SO 50 OF CITY FUNDS AND IN ESSENCE, WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE IS BEING PRIVATELY FUNDRAISED. AND I THINK, UH, RAY'S BEEN HELPING WITH THAT AND, AND CHAIRING THAT COMMITTEE AND, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. BUT, AND I'LL JUST GIVE A REAL QUICK UPDATE. WE ARE AT THE, WE'VE HAD GREAT COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO DESIGN AND THE COMMITTEE, UH, WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WE'RE GONNA DO A CHARETTE WHERE THE COMMITTEE SAYS, WE LIKE THIS, WE DON'T LIKE THIS, WHATEVER. SO THEY HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION. AND THEN FROM THERE THEY'LL DROP, UH, KIND OF A, [01:30:03] I WOULD SAY A MICRO DESIGN IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT, OF KIND OF THE THOUGHTS. AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL REFINE IT. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, MY SENSE IS THEN WE'LL COME TO THE COMMISSION AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE GOOD WITH WHATEVER THE DESIGN IS. AND WE'VE STARTED PUTTING FEELERS OUT FUNDRAISING WISE, BUT MOST EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO, WHO MAY DO LARGER DONATIONS, WE'VE FIGURED OUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THIS DESIGN. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT BE FUNDING PRETTY MUCH NOT TOTALLY IN, BUT, BUT AT LEAST TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY, WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK SOMEWHAT LIKE THIS. MM-HMM . AND SO, UH, UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. UH, BUT NEXT, UH, FRIDAY THE 12TH, WE, WE WILL BE DOING THAT SHOW, I ASSUME DOWNSTAIRS IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL HAD THE PLEASURE OF USING THE CONFERENCE ROOM DOWNSTAIRS AND TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING THINGS. IT'S PRETTY AWESOME. BUT IT IS AWESOME. IT'S BEEN REALLY A GREAT FOR TO MEET. SO DOES YOUR COMMITTEE MINUTES WE DO UHHUH, LIKE DO YOU SUBMIT 'EM LIKE THE OTHER BOARDS? DO YOU YEAH. . YEAH. UM, I ASSUME JAY'S THE ONE WHO GENERALLY TAKES OUR MINUTES AND ASHLEY'S OUR SECRETARY, BUT JAY A LOT OF TIMES GETS SOME, SO YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN THEY'RE ACTION ITEM ONLY, HUH? THEY'RE ACTION ITEM ONLY. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION OUT OF THE MINUTES. WELL, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T WANT MORE THAN THAT. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S POPPED UP, BUT IT CAME, UM, WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THE EVENTS, UH, COORDINATING THE EVENTS? WILL IT BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR, OH, AS FAR AS LIKE AT THE, FOR THE, UH, RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY CHARLES HAS BEEN LEADING ON THAT. IN FACT, WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING, SINCE WE HAVE A, A LOCATION ALREADY HAVING A VETERAN'S DAY CELEBRATION, PROBABLY STARTING IN THE RANGE OF 10, 10 30, BUT THAT MORNING. BUT, SO THAT IT IS WHAT IS TRADITIONAL AT 11:00 AM UH, ON VETERAN'S DAY ON NOVEMBER 11TH. SO IT'LL BE ON SITE. OF COURSE THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING THERE YET, BUT YEAH. BUT IT'S JUST TO FAMILIARIZE EVERYBODY WITH THE SITE. WE WERE JUST TALKING AT THE PARKS, LIKE WHO WOULD YEAH. MANAGE THE EVENTS IF IT WOULD BE UNDER PARKS OR CHARLES OR, AND THAT I'M NOT FOR SURE YET, BUT, UH, THE COMMITTEE HAS DISCUSSED. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE COMMITTEE'S PURVIEW. THAT SHOULD BE STAFF DECISION, SO YEAH. YEAH. WELL, MOST OF OUR THINGS HAPPEN IN PARKS AND CHARLES FRONT, SO YEAH. AND SO ALL WE'VE AUTHORIZED, UH, CONTRACT WISE FOR DESIGN IS PRELIMINARY DESIGN THAT WAS WITHIN CITY MANAGERS PURCHASE AUTHORITY. WE'D BRING A LARGER CONTRACT IF IT'S OVER $25,000 BACK TO YOU FOR FULL DESIGN, BUT YOU'LL HAVE SEEN THE CONCEPT PLANS AND AGREED TO THAT BEFORE WE GO TO FULL DESIGN. SO, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I HEAR Y'ALL SAYING IS WE'RE ANTICIPATING THIS, THE, THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS PROJECT BEING IN THE MAGNITUDE OF $150,000 OR 200, JUST THE 50. SO, SO ABOUT $50,000 OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SO FAR WE'RE THAT WAY WE'LL USE FOR DESIGN AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE $50,000 OF DESIGN OR $50,000 OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF TAXPAYER MONEY, THE 50,000 WILL PROBABLY BE NEEDED FOR DESIGN. DESIGN. OKAY. SO THEN IN TERMS OF THE COMPLETED PROJECT, WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DON'T AS, AS THEY WORK THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL, THEN THE, THE CO AND NOW THE ENGINEER OR ARCHITECTING THAT, THIS JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I'M HOPING THAT WHATEVER THE DESIGN IS, THAT IT CAN BE TAILORED TO WHAT WE RAISE IN FUNDS. MM-HMM . SO, SO THAT'S LIKE THE, THE DESIGN IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DETAILED ENOUGH SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GO OUT AND START RAISING FUNDS. SO, WHICH I, I GET TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT I JUST WANT, I'D WANNA BE CLEAR WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THE REST, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING AS ONE TO SEVEN COMMISSIONERS, BUT LIKE, I'M NOT ENVISIONING TELLING THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GONNA MATCH 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR WHATEVER THEY CAN RAISE. MM-HMM . AND I'M NOT REALLY UP FOR GOING THE TAXPAYERS AND SAYING WE'RE SPENDING $500,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS MONUMENT. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ENVISIONING IT AS SOMEWHERE LIKE $150,000 AF AT THE END OF THE DAY SOUP TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING. I'M HOPING THAT AFTER WE GET THE DESIGN THAT THAT TAXPAYERS, THAT IT WILL ALL BE FUNDED BY PRIVATE DONATION AND, AND THAT THAT WILL MAYBE, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE, JUST 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN TERMS [01:35:01] OF THE COMMISSION SUPPORTING, I THINK THE COMMISSION'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT OCCASIONALLY I BUMP INTO SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED, WHO'S ENVISIONING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AT HOME ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON DC . AND I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMISSION'S ENVISIONING. AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT YEAH. I DON'T, PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING. DON'T, SO DON'T DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD. WE CAN'T REASONABLY FUNDRAISE TOO AND, AND DON'T SET FALSE EXPECTATIONS OF, OF, OF, WELL THERE'S HOW MUCH FINANCIAL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, LIKE WITH OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND, WE KIND OF HAD AN IDEA MM-HMM . OF THE MAGNITUDE AND THEN THEY, THEY WROTE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT WASN'T LIKE AN UNLIMITED MATCH. IT WAS A BUDGET AND THEN THEY RAISED MONEY ON TOP OF THAT BUDGET. MY THOUGHTS ON IT FROM STUDYING IT FOR ACTUALLY FOR QUITE A WHILE, LONG BEFORE I WAS EVER PLACED ON IT IS, UM, AND IT SEEMED TO BE THE COMMITTEE FROM OUR DISCUSSION, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION, BUT MM-HMM . BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DESIGNERS. NO ONE ON THE COMMITTEE WHO'S A DESIGNER THAT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A OF, OF A PLAZA TYPE. IN OTHER WORDS, OPEN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STRUCTURE BUILDING MM-HMM . UM, AND AS YOU DO THOSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT WINES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT A HUNDRED OR 200 OF 'EM FROM AROUND THE NATION, YOU CAN DO THOSE DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE. NOW, SOME PLACES THE CITIES DID JUST PAY, YOU KNOW, SPENT THE BUDGET, BUT A LOT OF PLACES THEY DO INDIVIDUALLY FUNDRAISE. THE DIFFERENCE COMES IN IN WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE YOU USED MM-HMM . OR IF THERE'S ANY STATUTORY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE STATUES, THAT'S A BIGGER EXPENSE. MM-HMM . IF YOU HAVE MONUMENTS WITHIN THE MONUMENTS AND THEY'RE MARBLE, THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IF YOU DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF A NICE, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN ALL TYPES OF VARIETIES, MORE OF A VERY NICE FINISHED CONCRETE MM-HMM . SO THAT'S HOW, AND THEN, SO THAT'S MY HOPE IS, IS THAT WHEN WE FINISH THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN, WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH THAT WILL APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO WILL BE BIG DONORS. DEPENDING ON THAT, PROBABLY DEPENDING ON THE BIG DONORS, IS GONNA DETERMINE ON WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE THAT WE'RE USING. MM-HMM . NOW THAT'S KIND OF A, A BROAD OVERVIEW, BUT WE, AS WE'VE MET AND WE'VE HANDLED SEVERAL HOUSEKEEPING THINGS AND DONE SEVERAL THINGS AS A COMMITTEE, BUT WE KIND OF REACHED A POINT WHERE WE REALIZED UNTIL WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY DESIGN, IT'S HARD TO GO FROM THERE. CORRECT. AND FROM THE DAY ONE, YOU CAN ASK JAY, PROBABLY THE FIRST THING I TALKED ABOUT WAS HOW GOOD THIS MONUMENT IS AS FAR AS MATERIALS. AND THE THINGS THAT GO INTO IT ARE GONNA DEPEND ON HOW MUCH THIS COMMITTEE RAISES BECAUSE THE, THIS IS NOT, MY GOAL IS, IS NOT A, AND I EVEN SAID THAT BEFORE I WAS ON THE VETERANS MONUMENT COMMITTEE, THAT MY GOAL IS THAT THE, THAT THE CITIZENS, THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS I THINK THE MONUMENT WILL BE MORE UTILIZED AND MUCH MORE LOVED BY THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DID IT. MM-HMM . MAKES SENSE. SO IT WASN'T JUST SOMEBODY PAID FOR IT. OH, THIS IS NEAT. WE'RE GONNA ONE CEREMONY AND THEN LEAVE IT ALONE SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. SO, ALRIGHT. I THINK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU'ALL. THANKS Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.