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          IT STARTED A, A COUPLE OF 
          [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing August 7, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the August 11th Agendas, the items below will be discussed:  Brentwood 2030 Plan Update Timeline Presentation by Sullivan Engineering of additional design analysis for Old Smyrna Road Updated Gateway Sign Designs This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
PRELIMINARY ITEMS. UH, FIRST I WANNA INTRODUCE TANYA TRAVIS. 
          HEY, EXCITED TO HAVE HER AND, AND KAREN'S SHARING EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR THING AND SHE'S LEARNING ALL ABOUT US. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE WON'T BE DOING, WE WON'T BE LOOKING TO, TO TAKE THE, THE GROUP PHOTO AT THE UPCOMING REGULAR MEETING ON MONDAY, BUT HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MEETING TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT. 
          WE'LL, BUT WE'LL SEND YOU SOMETHING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, TO GLAM UP WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          DO , I HAVE TO TIE TWICE IN THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR. 
          ? YES, IT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU THOUGH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU CAN BE THE CASUAL. 
          THERE'S NO ACTUAL REQUIREMENT BY THE COMMISSION TO WEAR A TIE. 
          THERE'S WHAT? THERE'S NO ACTUAL REQUIREMENT BY THE COMMISSION TO WEAR A THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOLD ME I'D BETTER  SOCIAL PRESSURE. 
          PIERCE. 
          MIKE WALKER TOLD ME WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER, HE SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A TOP, BUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO UP THERE WILL BE FILMED AND WILL BE KEPT IN FOR PERPETUITY. 
          SO I RECOMMEND YOU DO WEAR A TOP  . 
          WOW. 
          I WAS LIKE, OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK HE'D MIND ME TELLING THAT STORY EITHER. 
          NO, HE WASN'T. 
          AND DUN JUST TOLD ME NOT TO WEAR FLIP FLOPS. 
          SO , SHE'S KILLING ME. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, TO GET STARTED, WE'LL START WITH, UH, GOING THROUGH THE AGENDAS. 
          WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT MEETING, UH, COMING UP. 
          TURN ON MY POINTER HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          UH, NO SURPRISES THERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE QUARTERLY REVENUE AND EXPENSE REPORT, WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET ALREADY. 
          NO SURPRISES ON THAT. 
          WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE WERE, UH, LAST YEAR AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO A LITTLE HEAD OF REVENUES AND, UH, LITTLE BIT UNDER AN EXPENSES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A STATUS UPDATE SUPERVISOR AGAIN, THAT, UH, REPORT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND SO REALLY IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY, I SUPPOSE, TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, SO, UH, FOR YOUR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING, UM, WE DO HAVE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR POLICE OFFICERS, RILEY LASSETER AND AARON YODER. 
          SO IT LOOKS ALWAYS GOOD. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IS THE RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT WITH CNI DESIGN FOR DESIGN SERVICES RELATED TO THE INDOOR RACK FACILITY. 
          UM, AND SO JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THAT, AS, AS MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW, AND, UH, UH, THE END OF OCTOBER, THERE'S AN APPROVED AGREEMENT. 
          YOU APPROVED AGREEMENT WITH CNI DESIGN, UH, FOR $997,500 TO PROVIDE DESIGN SERVICES RELATED TO THE RACK FACILITY IN PRESUME CROCK PARK. 
          UM, DESIGN COMMENCED AFTER THAT IN NOVEMBER, IN, UH, EARLY, UH, THIS YEAR, THE, UH, YOU ENGAGED SPORTS FACILITIES ADVISORY TO LOOK AT THE OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY. 
          UH, AND THEY DID THAT. 
          AND THEIR OPINION WAS BASICALLY YOUR OPERATING MARGINS WEREN'T GONNA BE AS POSITIVE AS YOU THOUGHT THAT THEY MIGHT BE BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY, UH, COMMITTEE WORK. 
          UH, AND SO, AND THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF THIS, THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD INSIGHT INTO THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. 
          SO AT THE COMMISSION BRIEFINGS ON JUNE 5TH AND JULY 24TH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE RACKET, FACILITY PROJECT AND THE FUTURE OF THAT. 
          THE CONSENSUS WAS TO, UH, NOT TO PROCEED WITH IT AND WITH THE DESIGN. 
          SO IN YOUR DESIGN CONTRACT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO, UH, THERE'S A SECTION 9.5 THAT DEALS WITH, UH, TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE AND WITHOUT CAUSE. 
          SO AGAIN, THE DESIGNER DID EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED TO DO. 
          IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THERE EITHER PARTY ACTUALLY, THAT CLAUSE CAN DO THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION THERE. 
          AND, UH, THIS ITEM, THE DIRECTION WAS FOR STAFF TO PREPARE THIS ITEM. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE THIS ON YOUR AGENDA AND AT THAT POINT, THE CON THE DESIRE WILL BE PAID IN FULL. 
          IT'S, UH, UH, THE NUMBER IS $149,625. 
          UH, AND THEY'LL BE PAID IN FULL AND THE CONTRACT WILL BE TERMINATED. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE SCHEDULING HERE, UH, PRETTY SOON, UH, UH, TIME FOR THE, FOR YOU TO REVIEW YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECTS AND TRY TO DETERMINE IF YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE DOLLARS AWAY FROM THIS, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THIS AND PERHAPS THE DESIGN, JUST THE MONEY YOU HAVE AVAILABLE AND TO POTENTIALLY OTHER PROJECTS IF YOU'D LIKE FOR DO THAT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FRONT PRETTY SOON. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? MAY I HAVE ONE THING? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I TRIED TO WRITE THIS IN A MANNER THAT IF YOU HAVE CONSTITUENTS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED OR WHAT WAS, WHAT WE'RE FINDING, I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR FINDINGS SO THAT YOU COULD USE THIS IF YOU NEED TO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND APPRECIATE IT BEING ACCURATE AND NOT EDITORIAL . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          STRAIGHT ON. 
          UM, SECOND ITEM APPROVED PURCHASE OF SEVEN LIFE PACK, 35 CARDIAC MONITORS, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
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UH, SO THESE ARE REPLACING AND UPGRADING, UH, TO A, A HIGHER TECHNOLOGY FROM THE LP 15 MODELS TO THE 30, LP 35. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU, UH, HAPPEN TO NEED, UH, OUR ASSISTANCE, YOU'RE GONNA BE HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY WITH THAT. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE USED FOR EVERY MEDICAL RESPONSE, WHICH IS 64% OF OUR INCIDENTS THAT THEY MONITOR AND TREAT THE, UH, CARDIAC, UH, ARRHYTHMIAS, UH, SHOCK SHOCKER NECESSARY AND AUTOMATICALLY MONITOR THE PATIENT'S VITAL SIGNS. 
          SO THERE, IT'S A COMMON PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF RESPONSE. 
          UH, THE PRICING IS FROM SOURCE, WELL, PURCHASING COOPERATIVE, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN YOUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND. 
          IS THAT ALL OF OUR CARDIAC MONITORS? ARE WE JUST REPLACING SOME OF THEM, I ASSUME? RIGHT. 
          CHIEF COLLINS IS HERE. 
          THAT'S SEVEN CARDIAC MONITORS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A LIFE PACK 35 ON ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE FIRE APP. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT THE AEDS THAT ARE FOR CITIZEN USE, THIS IS FOR PROVIDER USE. 
          SO YES, SIR. 
          UM, AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE SAME DEVICE ON ALL THE TRUCKS. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT WAY WHEN THE GUYS ARE ROTATING AROUND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO RELEARN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SO YEAH, I'M NOT QUESTIONING, I JUST, YEAH, SURE. 
          I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE, LEAVE A FIRE ENGINE OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, YOU DO REPLACE 'EM ALL. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FIVE ENGINES, THE TOWER TRUCK AND THE RESCUE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          USUALLY FROM A TRAINING PERSPECTIVE OF THESE, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT IN CASE THERE ARE NUANCES AND CHANGES. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE EMS LIFE NET PRO TIER ONE THAT'S ON THERE AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM WITH $500 EACH? I HAS THE WHOLE PUNCH THROUGH. 
          SO IT SAYS SOMETHING SOLUTIONS, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE SOFTWARE THAT'S CONNECTED, UH, THAT ALLOWS IT TO, TO UPLOAD THE PATIENT DATA FROM THE MONITOR TO A SERVER AND THEN THEY, THEY CAN ACCESS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OR MAYBE EVEN THE PIECE THAT TRANSFERS IT FROM OUR MONITOR TO THE EMS MONITOR SO THAT ALL THAT PATIENT CARE DATA STAYS WITH THE PATIENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE JUST GET RID OF THE OLD ONES OR DO WE THAT PRICE THERE INCLUDES A TRADE IN? YES, SIR. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HELPED OUT SOME OF THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS I DIDN'T KNOW IN THE AREA, BUT, AND I'M NOT SAYING DO THAT, BUT JUST, YEAH, NO, I THINK WITH SOME OF THESE, AND ESPECIALLY SOME OF OUR OLDER MONITORS, IT, WE'RE BETTER OFF JUST TO TRADE THAT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LET THEM RE REFER 'EM AND THEN THEY CAN SELL 'EM ON THE SECONDARY MARKET. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THAT WORKS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE FROM HERE WE GOT $56,000 FOR THE EXISTING ONES. 
          TRADE IN FOR TRADE IN THIS HIGH DOLLAR REQUEST. 
          YEAH, IT'S OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, UH, VERY GOOD. 
          ITEM THREE APPROVAL OF PURCHASE VEEAM AND, UH, OH 3 6 5 BACKUP RENEWAL, WHICH IS A LONG WAY OF SAYING THIS IS THE, WHAT WE USE TO BACKUP UP THE DATA FOR VIRTUAL SERVERS AND COMPUTERS IN IT. 
          AND THIS INCLUDES BOTH PRIMARY AND BACKUP DATA CENTERS. 
          IT'S ONE YEAR RENEWAL, UH, THE COST TO $41,378 AND 30 CENTS AND PURCHASED THROUGH THE CD WG USING THE TENNESSEE AND ASPO 90 CONTRACT. 
          PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          NEXT WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF YOUR, UH, SCHEDULE FOR YOUR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026. 
          AND THAT WE'LL HAVE THE CALENDAR IN THERE. 
          A COUPLE OF VARIATIONS, UH, THAT ARE FAIRLY TYPICAL. 
          UH, WE HAVE TUESDAY, UH, MAY 26TH INSTEAD OF MONDAY THE 25TH, WHICH IS MEMORIAL DAY. 
          AND THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR THE 21ST IF A MEETING IS NEEDED AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, TYPICALLY IT SEEMS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT, BUT IF IT IS, THAT'S WHEN IT WILL BE. 
          UH, AGAIN, YOUR INFORMATION ON MEETINGS, UH, YOUR BRIEFINGS SCHEDULED FOR THE PROCEEDING THURSDAYS AT NINE O'CLOCK. 
          UM, NO INFORMATIONAL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE DECEMBER 35TH OR 21ST COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AGAIN AT ANY TIME IN THE YEAR, IF YOU, IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP OR SOMETHING THAT'S OVERLOOKED, YOU CAN COME BACK, WE CAN CHANGE THIS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? WE MISSED THE, UH, BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS THIS YEAR. 
          WE, WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE PAST AND AS YOU SHOULD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          I JUST CHECKED THAT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT, THAT IS LOOKING AT THAT TOO. 
          JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE. 
          YEAH,  BECAUSE IT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I THINK IF, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS FELT LIKE THERE'S A PRESSING REASON WE NEEDED TO BE HERE, BUT THAT PUTS A LOT ON THE STAFF. 
          IT DOES. 
          AND NOT TO MENTION IF CITIZENS WANNA REALLY COMMENT ON SOMETHING, MAKING THEM CHOOSE BETWEEN THAT AND, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH. 
          YEARS AGO I THINK I WAS ALREADY A COMMISSIONER AND THEY DID THE FIRST ONE AND IT, I THINK IT WAS A MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME THAT THE TITANS WERE PLAYING IN. 
          AND, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CITIZENS WANTED TO COME TO AND HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SEASON TICKETS AND I COULDN'T GET THAT MEETING OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN FROM THAT POINT WE WERE LIKE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE THAT TO A TUESDAY NIGHT WE DO FOR ICMA SOME YEARS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO, 
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YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM FIVE IS THE SCHEDULE FOR YOUR 2027 ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET AND YOUR 27 TO 31 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. 
          CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS GETTING SCHEDULES IN HERE. 
          IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW. 
          WE'LL GET YOU SET FOR, FOR THE, UH, 26 FINANCE ITEMS. OKAY. 
          OLD BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO, KEN, I KNOW WE SPOKE ON MONDAY ABOUT MOVING YOUR NEXT CANDIDATE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM YOU YET, DO YOU? NO, I'M WORKING ON FINDING SOMEONE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING. 
          SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE, UH, BOARD OF BUILDING CONSTRUCTION APPEALS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE APPOINTMENT OF THREE MEMBERS TO THE PARK BOARD. 
          THE, THE PARK BOARD DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF NUANCE TO IT AND I'LL TELL YOU, UH, WHAT IT IS AND KIND OF SEE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH HOW WE THINK WE CAN HANDLE THIS. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE, UH, OPEN SEATS, ALL THREE UNEXPIRED TERMS. ONE EXPIRED TERM WILL END IN, UH, APRIL OF 26 AT THE END OF APRIL. 
          THE OTHER THE END OF APRIL IN 27, THE OTHER END OF APRIL IN 28. 
          SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD GO THROUGH AND BASICALLY THE TOP THREE VOTE GETTERS, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND DECIDE WHO GETS WHAT TERM. 
          SO THE APPROACH WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, UH, THAT YOU COULD USE IS, DO YOU DO 'EM ONE AT A TIME? PERHAPS START WITH THE 28TH. 
          THE ONE THAT'S GONNA EXPIRE THE 28TH. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE LONGEST TERM. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT VALUE PUT THE LONGEST VERSUS SHORTEST. 
          IT DEPENDS ON WHO ENJOYS THAT , BUT IF YOU PUT THE MOST VALUE ON THE LONGEST, YOU COULD DO THAT ONE FIRST. 
          AND THAT PERSON WHO THIS GOES TO, THAT ONE YOU COULD TURN AROUND AND VOTE AGAIN FOR THE NEXT ONE AND, AND THEN JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT. 
          IT SHOULDN'T TAKE IT'S THREE VOTES INSTEAD OF ONE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG. 
          DOES THAT SEEM TO WORK FOR YOU? WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, BUT HOW LONG IS A TERM? FOUR YEARS OR THREE? THREE? I THINK 53. 
          THREE? I THINK SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HOW THREE YEARS? YEAH. 
          SO BILL CROSS, DID HE JUST GET APPOINTED? HE DID AND HE STEPPED DOWN WHEN IT WAS CONVEYED TO HIM THAT HE SHOULD ONLY BE ON ONE BOARD AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I JUST WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE DATES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT MAKE SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW. 
          UH, NEW BUSINESS ITEM THREE, THREE APPOINTMENT, THREE MEMBERS TO ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD. 
          ITEM FOUR IS ONE MEMBER TO THE VETERAN'S MONUMENT AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN ITEM FIVE IS JUST A NOTICE OF FUTURE APPOINTMENTS AND THE APPOINTMENT IS JUST ONE MEMBER TO THE TWO BOARD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THE, THE MAIN EVENT PROBABLY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH THE ORDER 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S HERE FOR THE OLD SMYRNA ROAD. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM TWO. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM ONE, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT GATEWAY DESIGN, UH, SIGN, SIGN UP. 
          SO S SO DEREK BASS THERE, YOU'RE ERIC WILL INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM AND GET 'EM STARTED AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. 
          AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU DO TWO PIECES OF TECHNOLOGY AT ONE TIME? BECAUSE THAT'S, NO, NO, I'M NOT CHEWING GUM, SO LET, ALRIGHT, UM, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WORE THIS SHIRT AND HONOR OF THE SLIDES THIS NICE A DISCO THEME BACK THERE. 
          UH, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A BIT OF INTRODUCTION HERE, SIR. 
          CATHERINE, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE, UH, JUST SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, UH, UH, UH, THE OTHER, THE MORE, THE MOST IMPORTANT MEMBER OF OUR TEAM UP HERE AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD. 
          . 
          SARAH CATHERINE, AS YOU KNOW, DOES OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, PLAN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PLANS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE ON OUR TEAM DICKY SULLIVAN WITH SEI, UH, PAT WIGGINS WITH SEI AND, UH, JULIE JONES. 
          I WANTED TO SAY JONES, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT'S TOO EASY WITH, UH, GAMBLE AND ASSOCIATES. 
          AND, UH, UH, DICKY WILL INTRODUCE, UH, JULIE AND HER ROLE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. 
          SO, UM, JUST FOR A, A BIT OF REVIEW ON WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, THE CONTRACT IS FOR, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE DESIGN ALTERNATIVES FOR OLD SMYRNA ROAD. 
          IF YOU 
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RECALL, WE HAD THREE ALTERNATES. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL LATER. 
          UH, THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT INCLUDED EVALUATING THOSE ALTERNATIVES, PROVIDING SOME COST ESTIMATES, ASSESSING THE HEALTH AND IMPACTS ON EXISTING TREES. 
          WE'RE GONNA PREPARE SOME SKETCHES BY AN ARTIST TO SORT OF VISUALIZE BETTER SO YOU CAN BETTER VISUALIZE THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WILL BE CONDUCTED BY AMBULANCE AND ASSOCIATES. 
          UM, WE WERE TASKED WITH FOCUSING ON PUBLIC INPUT FOR THIS, FOR THIS CONTRACT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          WE ARE TO HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING TO GATHER COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT, EVALUATE THOSE ALTERNATIVES FURTHER BASED ON THAT INPUT. 
          UH, THAT MEETING WILL BE AUGUST 18TH, I BELIEVE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          SARAH, MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, AFTER THAT FIRST MEETING, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE HAVE, THE SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE MADE, MAKE ANY ADDITIONS, MODIFICATIONS, AND A NECESSARY. 
          AND, UH, THEN WE'LL MORE GET A BIT MORE SOLID CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE FOR THE THREE ALTERNATES. 
          ALTERNATE A AS YOU RECALL, WAS PROJECTED TO COST ABOUT 9.6 MILLION. 
          MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF INFLATION ON THAT SINCE WE LAST LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME. 
          ALTERNATE C IS EXPECTED TO BE AROUND THAT SAME 9.6 MILLION. 
          AND THEN ALTERNATE B, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN LEAVING ONE OF THE LANES AS A, AS A TRAVEL WAY, ABOUT 30 TO 50% MORE THAN THOSE TWO ALTERNATIVE CAUSED AT ALL OF THE WORK THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE OLD ROADWAY. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE THE SOLID CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES AT THIS TIME, BUT WE WILL HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THOSE LATER. 
          SO THE STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT, I CALLED THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT STRETCH OF THE ROAD. 
          THE STAKEHOLDERS, THEY, THEY ARE INVITED TO THIS INITIAL PUBLIC MEETING AND WE'VE, I SAY AND USED ENHANCED MEASURES. 
          WE WROTE 'EM LETTERS AND, UH, DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CONTACT THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS FIRST MEETING IS AUGUST 18TH. 
          SO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC MEETING THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE INVITED AND, UH, THE STAKEHOLDERS INPUTS CERTAINLY HOLD SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AFTER WE MEET WITH THE COMMISSION, THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING, THEN A COMMISSION MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND AT THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          HOPEFULLY GET MORE DIRECTION ABOUT WHICH ALTERNATE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE. 
          WE'LL GO BACK TO THE STAKEHOLDERS WITH THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO AGAIN, THE PUBLIC MEETING SHOULD BE THE 18TH. 
          WE'LL MEET WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THE SHAREHOLDERS. 
          AND THEN, UH, HOPEFULLY AFTER THAT, IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE, WE'LL BE, UH, DRAFTING A CONTRACT WITH SEI TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE SELECT AND ALTERNATIVE. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE'RE AT ABOUT, I'D SAY, HALFWAY COMPLETE WITH THE CONTRACT. 
          WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, THE ARTIST RENDERINGS, GATHERING THE INPUT, MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS. 
          AND, UH, SO YEP, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S UPDATED ON THE CURRENT STATUS, THE NEXT STEPS, AND, UH, ANYONE WHO'S NEW TO THIS PROJECT JUST WANTED TO GET THEM INFORMED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO, UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DICKIE. 
          DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE JULIE COMES UP? OR YOU WANNA JUST HAVE JULIE? UM, I'LL COME UP WITH JULIE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THEY'RE COMING UP JUST, UH, KIND OF A CONTEXT TODAY. 
          WE WANTED TO GET WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AS EARLY AS THEY HAVE IT. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY IMPORTANT, BUT GIVEN THAT THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOT REALLY ASKING FOR YOUR INPUT, ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE, 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS DIRECTION, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR YOU TO WAIT, GET THAT INPUT FROM THE CITIZEN RECEIPT, IF THAT AFFECTS WHERE YOU THINK YOU MIGHT GO. 
          AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND GET THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU. 
          HOLLY, CAN YOU PRINT THESE FOR US? NOT, NOT TODAY, BUT, SO, UM, LIKE DEREK SAID, I'M JULIE JONES. 
          I'M WITH GAMBLE DESIGN COLLABORATIVE. 
          WE'RE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, LAND PLANNING, UM, FIRM . 
          UM, AND SO WE WILL BE THE ONES PRESENTING, UM, ON THAT PUBLIC MEETING ON AUGUST 18TH. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS THE PRESENTATION AS WE HAVE NOW THAT THE PUBLIC WILL SEE. 
          UM, AND SO I'LL JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH IT. 
          I, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO, YOU KNOW, DETAILS, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU, UH, ENOUGH, UH, INFORMATION OF WHAT, WHAT THE PUBLIC IS GONNA BE SEEING AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE HEARING. 
          UM, SO YEP. 
          GO THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THERE MAY, MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER SLIDE BEFORE. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          UM, BUT JUST WE WILL INTRODUCE OURSELVES. 
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UM, WE GAMBLE DESIGN COLLABORATIVE. 
          WE ARE THE CONSULTANTS AND PRESENTERS. 
          THE ACTUAL DESIGN TEAM IS, UM, SULLIVAN, ENGINEERING DICKEY AND PAT. 
          SO JUST KIND OF MAKING THAT DELINEATION. 
          UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH JUST THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE PROJECT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING, THE STUDY THAT IS BEING, UM, DEVELOPED IS FROM JONES PARKWAY TO, UM, KINDA WHERE I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE, WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW. 
          MOST OF THE, UM, KIND OF IN THAT LIGHT BLUE THAT IS ALREADY, UM, DEDICATED TO, UH, CITY BRENTWOOD, THE PURPLE. 
          I GUESS I COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, PURPLE HERE IS KIND OF WHAT DEREK WAS SAYING, THAT HE'S, HE'S TALKED TO THOSE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING RIGHT AWAY TO, TO BRENTWOOD. 
          JUST, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON, UM, KIND OF THE CONDITIONS OF SMYRNA ROAD. 
          WE'VE GOT REASONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT. 
          WE'VE GOT, UM, SIGNIFICANT DROP OFFS HERE, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT NES POLLS THAT CAN'T BE MOVED. 
          SO WE'RE, THAT'S WHY IN THE DESIGN YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE ARE THERE. 
          SO JUST KIND OF, UM, AN OVERVIEW OF, OF SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF BALTIMORE ROAD. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY. 
          SO SOME OF THE PAST MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UM, WE DID A, OR THEY DID A, A PUBLIC MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2023 WHERE ONE OPTION WAS PRESENTED. 
          WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK. 
          UM, AND THEN IN JUNE OF 2024, THAT WAS WHEN, UM, SULLIVAN ENGINEERING, UM, GOT APPROVED FOR THEIR DESIGN WORK. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN APRIL OF 2025, UM, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE BOARD, UM, APPROVED SEC TO DEVELOP MORE, UM, OF THE ANALYSIS AND THE TREE ASSESSMENT WORK, WHICH ALSO GAMBLE DESIGN WAS PART OF. 
          UM, SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM CITIZENS, FROM COMMISSIONERS, FROM, UM, STAFF, UH, SOME OF THE, THE BIG ONES THAT, THAT WE ARE HEARING SAFETY, UH, BICYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC WALLS AND OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND JUST TO PRESERVE THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF SMYRNA ROAD WILL KIND OF BRING UP, UM, LIKE THE CORRIDOR FEELING, UM, OF SMYRNA ROAD. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT NEEDING TO PRESERVE THAT COST. 
          THAT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS, UM, ARE, ARE VOCAL ABOUT. 
          AND WE, WE HEARD, UM, RESPONSES ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, UM, KIND OF WITH, WITH SAFETY, BUT ALSO SPEED, UH, VEHICLES, UM, THINKING THAT IF IT'S A WIDER ROAD, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE, UM, UM, POTENTIAL HIGHER SPEEDS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND THEN THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC POST CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF THIS, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE, WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU, WE'VE LISTENED AND WE HAVE INCORPORATED THAT, OR I SHOULD SAY WE, THEY HAVE INCORPORATED THAT INTO, INTO THEIR, UM, DESIGNS. 
          THIS IS KIND OF, AGAIN, EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          UM, I, I TRY NOT TO, YOU KNOW, GO TOO MUCH INTO DETAILS UNLESS YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WANT, WANT TO HEAR ALL OF IT. 
          BUT, UM, SO THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS AN ART TWO ROAD AND FUTURE PLANS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO, UM, UH, UPDATE, UH, WITH ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY, UM, SINCE COID AND WITH SOME NEW SUBDIVISIONS THERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, NEEDING TO IMPROVE SAFETY, UM, SOME OF THE, THE BIGGER REASONS WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO ENTITIES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT THREE SCENARIOS. 
          ALTERNATE A, ALTERNATE B AND ALTERNATE C. 
          UM, LIKE DEREK MENTIONED, UM, THERE, UH, BEN JOHNSON IS DOING RENDERINGS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NOT THE FINAL, THIS IS JUST, UH, HIS, UM, BLACK AND WHITE. 
          HE WILL BE PROVIDING COLOR RENDERINGS, UM, SO THAT THAT WILL COME AND WE WILL INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE, THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          BUT I THINK THIS REALLY ALLOWS, UM, THE PUBLIC TO EASILY SEE HERE'S THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THEN FROM THE SAME KIND OF VANTAGE POINT, THIS IS WHAT WILL BE, UM, LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN THEY CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, WHAT, UM, SULLIVAN ENGINEERING PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE, THE ROAD. 
          AND THIS IS THE SAME ALTERNATIVE A THAT WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY. 
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THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          YEAH, THIS HASN'T, THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          DECEMBER 20. 
          YEAH, IF THERE'S ANY, IS THERE ONE THAT, THAT'S A GOOD LOOKING CARD? YOU RECOMMEND A CHANGE THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE, OR, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THEM ADDED. 
          WE HAD A AND B ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, UH, WE HAD THE FEELING THAT A WAS THE, THE ONE THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THE MOST ABOUT. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SINCE THEN, WE'VE ADDED A, UH, ALTERNATE C, WHICH ALTERNATE C WE BASICALLY KEY POINTER. 
          YEAH, WE KEEP THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE TAKE, UM, THE BIKE TRAIL WILL BE HERE. 
          YOU CAN GO, CAN YOU FLIP TO THAT ONE REAL QUICK TO THE, TO THE JUMP? YEAH. 
          SO THE BIKE TRAIL'S HERE, WE WANT IT ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE IT GETS IT CLOSER TO THE EXISTING WALL AND, AND, AND KIND OF, BUT THEN THE OLD ROAD JUST TURNS INTO A, UM, A LOCAL FRONTAGE ROAD JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH A ONE WAY ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'LL MARK IT LIKE 15 MILES AN HOUR, TRY TO MAKE IT, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT BECAUSE YOU START GETTING INTO THAT THING AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF DOLLARS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE ADDED. 
          THE OTHER TWO ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME. 
          I THANK YOU DICKIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ALL, ALL OF THESE VIEWS AND, AND I DON'T WANNA DE REALLY A PRESENTATION IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE ALTERNATE EIGHT, BUT, UM, THESE ARE ALL WEST LOOKING VIEWS. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE LIKE, IF YOU'RE LIKE, THAT WOULD BE HARLAN HARLAN ON YOUR, ON YOUR RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN WINDY HILL WOULD BE AT THE END OF IT ON THE LEFT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WINDY HILL WOULD BE IS BACK THERE. 
          YEAH, HARLAN IS, AND THIS IS THE OLD ROAD. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE WALLS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE CITY PLANNING HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF ACQUIRING RIGHT AWAY AS PEOPLE CAME IN AND DEVELOPED. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT SWATH JUST ABOUT THE ENTIRE WAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO STAFF FOR DOING THAT. 
          UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY COSTS IN THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS ALTERNATE A THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, UM, DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND THIS IS AGAIN, WHAT, UM, SULLIVAN PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE, UM, WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE OVERALL. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD SOME OF THE MOST FEEDBACK FROM RIGHT AWAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WAS THE WILLIAMS TRACK HERE. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE A, A SLIGHT CHANGE THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION IS WE PULLED THE RIGHT OF WAY OFF OF THEM AS FAR AS WE COULD. 
          NOW THAT'S A TEMPORARY FIX BECAUSE IF THE ROAD EVER GETS WIDENED ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY LIMITS, THEN YOU CAN SEE IT WILL GET BACK OVER HOME. 
          USUALLY WHEN WE IMPACT A PROPERTY, WE DON'T LIKE GOING BACK TO 'EM FIVE OR 10 YEARS LATER AND ASK FOR MORE PROPERTY. 
          BUT WE DID IN THIS CASE, IF THAT'S WHAT ONE. 
          SO ALL THREE OF THEM WILL MOVE IT SOUTH A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? YES. 
          UH, A AND C MOVES IT FURTHER THAN B DID, THAN B DOES. 
          AND SO IT GOES DOWNHILL AND CURVES THERE. 
          YES. 
          SO ARE, ARE YOU ATTACKING A RIDGE OR JUST BRINGING IT OVER? WE'RE JUST GONNA BRING, WE, WE'LL GONNA RAISE IT UP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CURVE AND IT'S A DIP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE HAVE TO, WE WILL BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENT STANDARDS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FILL IT UP QUITE A BIT. 
          WE'LL REPLACE THAT OLD PIPE THAT'S IN HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO SAFELY PULL IT OFF OF THEM UNTIL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY EVER DECIDES TO TAKE IT TO THE, THE ORIGINAL STUDY WENT TO THE CITY LIMITS AND WE BROKE IT UP INTO TWO PROJECTS. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT, RIGHT? SO WHEN THAT SECOND PROJECT HAPPENS, THEN THE ROAD WILL MOVE OVER. 
          IT HAS TO, SO AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DIP AND VERY MUCH A LOW POINT. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE PERSON THAT LAST, THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO GRAYSTONE HAD PUT KIND OF A RAIN GARDEN TYPE THING IN THERE AND IMPROVED THE DRAINAGE. 
          BUT IF YOU FILL THAT IN, WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GONNA GO? WELL, IT'S GONNA PUT A BIGGER UNDERGROUND PIPE. 
          THE PIPE, THE PIPES, THE SIZE OF THE PIPE IS OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT UNDERSIZED LIKE A LOT OF OLD PIPES, BUT IT'S OLD, UM, CORRUGATED METAL PIPE AND IT'S JUST COMING APART. 
          SO IF WE DO A NEW ROAD, WE'LL REPLACE IT. 
          SO THE ADDITIONAL WATER THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THERE IS, IS FROM THE ROADWAY IS, IS PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT. 
          AND WE, WE, WHEN WE DO THE ROAD PROJECTS, WE MITIGATE, 
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UM, AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN WITH HARLAN. 
          THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR PONDS UP HERE AND WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THAT ALSO. 
          SO I DON'T SEE A BIG DRAINAGE IMPACT WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, IN FACT, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, WHERE THAT CIRCLE IS RIGHT THERE. 
          WHERE THE PUMP STATION, IS THAT WHERE THE PUMP STATION IS? OR, OR IS IT NO, IT'S OVER HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE CITY PUMP STATION. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DRAINAGE PROBLEM THERE. 
          AND, UH, CHRIS HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY HAVE FLOODING ISSUES THERE, SO WE WILL FIX THAT ALSO. 
          IT'S NOT AN EASY FIX, BUT WE'VE GOT IT FIGURED OUT SO IT'LL GET FIXED WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN NOTICE ON THAT PREVIOUS ONE, IT SHOWS THE ROUNDABOUT OVER THERE ON THE, THE FAR WEST SIDE. 
          ALL, ALL OF THEM, ALL THE ALTERNATES WILL HAVE A ROUNDABOUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND, AND SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUMPING AROUND, BUT TR YOU KNOW, SAFETY IS A HUGE FACTOR WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS. 
          SO WHAT WE DID WITH ALTERNATE A IS WHERE WE HAVE THE CUT THROUGHS. 
          UH, SOME OF THOSE WE'RE GOING TO DO LIKE A MINI ROUNDABOUTS MM-HMM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME TRAFFIC CALMING WITHOUT SPEED TABLES. 
          YOU KNOW, SPEED TABLES ARE EFFECTIVE, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE 'EM, BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY DON'T LIKE THEM. 
          BUT IF WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT IT, IT'S BETTER. 
          AND THEN THAT LETS THE PEOPLE TURNING THE DRIVEWAYS SAFER. 
          ALSO. 
          IT'S INTERESTING, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE DOWN OFF EDMONTON PIKE THAT USES THE ROUNDABOUTS THAT WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UH, ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY FRIENDS HAD SPOTTED IT AND SAID, YOU GOTTA GO DRIVE THROUGH THIS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN SPEED TABLES AND I CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKED. 
          RIGHT. 
          PRETTY WELL. 
          AND IT'S ALSO REALLY ATTRACTIVE. 
          SO IF, IF WE GET TO THE, THE, UH, SAFETY ISSUES, THE NUMBER ONE SAFETY ISSUE WE HAVE NOW IS DISTRACTED DRIVERS. 
          RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE LONG STRAIGHTAWAY, IT'S EASY TO GET ON YOUR PHONE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S STRAIGHT AND THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AHEAD AND YOU SEE, WELL, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UP HERE, I HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. 
          IT KEEPS THEIR EYES ON THE ROAD AND IT, AND IT, IT HELPS WITH THAT DISTRACTED DRIVER. 
          I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          SO WHERE AT THE, AT THE WESTERN END, JUST WHERE, WHERE IT MAKES THE CURB GO TO THE, UM, TO THE CIRCLE THAT'S, THAT AREA FILLS WITH WATER ALSO WHEN THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN BECAUSE THERE'S THE DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, ROAD DRAINAGE COMES THROUGH A BIG PIPE RIGHT THERE YES. 
          INTO THAT GREEN MM-HMM . 
          GRASS THING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS THE ROAD GONNA BE ELEVATED THERE OR IT'D BE ELEVATED. 
          UM, IT'S IN, IT'S A FLOOD ZONE THERE. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO A FLOOD STUDY, A CLR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T RISE THE FLOOD ALATION. 
          PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE, DOWN OLD ROAD, THERE'S A OLD STONE FOX COAL MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT IS WAY UNDERSIZED AND THAT BACKS UP WATER. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S IN CURRENTLY THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IF, IF LIKE IF WE CHOOSE C THEN WE HAVE TO KINDA LOOK AT THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AS FAR AS SAFETY. 
          UH, BUT IN ALL THESE, IN A AND B, WE'RE BYPASS THAT AND IT'S JUST B PEDESTRIAN, SO IT'S OKAY FOR PEDESTRIAN. 
          SO IF THE HISTORIC ROAD IS A PEDESTRIAN GREENWAY, SO TO SPEAK, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BRINGING IT UP TO THE STANDARD IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT FLOOD CONTROL RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A, A TYPHOON GOING ON, YEAH. 
          PEOPLE PROBABLY WON'T BE WALKING AROUND THE BIKES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE THAT, THAT OVERVIEW, UM, TO, TO THE PUBLIC, UM, REMINDING 'EM THIS WAS ALTERNATE. 
          A THEY'VE SEEN THIS, UM, RIGHT WHERE THE EXISTING ARNA ROAD WILL TURN INTO, UM, KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN AND, AND CYCLIST, UH, ROUTE. 
          UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH KIND OF, UM, NOT NECESSARILY PROS AND CONS, BUT JUST THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT FOR ALTERNATIVE A, UM, TREES AND HISTORIC ROAD, UH, STAY THE SAME. 
          THEY'RE PRESERVED, UM, 10 WALL PENETRATIONS WILL NEED TO BE, UM, ARE, ARE NEEDED TO ACCESS THE NEW ROAD. 
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UM, BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS WHEN, THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE WHERE THIS INDIVIDUAL, UM, HOMES THAT ARE ON OR FRONTING ON OLDSMORE ROAD WILL, THEIR DRIVEWAY WILL CONNECT STRAIGHT ONTO THE NEW ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE WILL, WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, CUT THROUGH THE, THE WALLS, UM, THE MULTI-USE TRAIL, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT TO WENDY HILL PARK. 
          UM, SO WE'LL WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF POINTS WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THE OLD ROAD CAN BE USED WHILE THE NEW ROAD IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, UM, WIDER LANES WITH A, A NEW CONSTRUCTED ROAD AND, UM, NEW ROAD DESIGN, UM, IMPROVES VISIBILITY AND DRIVER CONTROL. 
          AND THEN WE WILL SWITCH TO ALTERNATE B. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE, UM, THE EXISTING SMYRNA ROAD WILL BE TURNED INTO ONE LANE, UM, GOING WESTBOUND, NEW ROAD WILL BE HEADING EASTBOUND AND THE OPPOSITE WESTBOUND, EASTBOUND OLD ROAD BE EASTBOUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL WALK THROUGH THIS AND THEY CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE, UM, LIKE THE, WHEN, WHEN ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING, DO YOU HAVE TO BRING THE OLD ROAD THEN UP TO STANDARDS ON? YES. 
          UM, FROM, FROM THE ADD ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. 
          SO EARLY ON STAFF WITH KIRK, KINDA THEY SAID B'S REALLY NOT A GOOD OPTION. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE, LIKE DEREK SAID, 30 TO 50% HIGHER. 
          JULIE'S DONE THE TREE HEALTH OF ALL THE TREES, AND SHE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE O SMYRNA ROAD. 
          AND I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT TO BUILD IT AND I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE THERE. 
          SO AT, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WANTED THAT BEFORE TO LOOK AT IT AND IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          BUT AS AN ENGINEER, I CAN TELL YOU THAT GUYS, THAT WOULD BE MY LAST CHOICE. 
          YOU KNOW, A AND C, YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT B IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD CHOICE DURING THE, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. 
          WILL THAT WOULD DURING THE CITIZENS THING, WILL YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO PEOPLE YEAH, DURING, YEAH. 
          AND, AND THE COST ESTIMATE WILL SHOW IT TOO. 
          SO WE WERE PLANNING ON HAVING THE COST ESTIMATE DONE FOR TODAY, BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE IT. 
          BUT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE AND, BUT WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO PRICE IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS NUMBERS WILL, WILL, WILL VARY ANYWAY. 
          SO OUR ENGINEERING ESTIMATE IS JUST A A, A BROAD BASE GUESS AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD FOR COMPARING ALTERNATIVES TO EACH OTHER. 
          UM, BUT TRYING TO PUT A PRICE ON HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST A CONTRACTOR TO GET PEOPLE TO THEIR HOUSES EVERY DAY WHILE THEY'RE RIDING THE ROAD. 
          IT IS, IT IS PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY HARD BECAUSE WITH THIS ONE, THIS IS A ONE WAY ROAD. 
          SO IF WE WERE RIDING IN THIS TO 24 FEET OR 22 FEET, LIKE WE ARE IN AN A AND C, THEN WE CAN RUN TRAFFIC OVER HERE. 
          WE CAN KEEP THIS ROAD OPEN AND BUILD THAT ROAD COMPLETELY AND THEN, AND THEN SWITCH IT OVER. 
          IT'S A LOT EASIER WITH A AND C WITH B. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REALLY TOUGH. 
          VICKI, I THINK, AND I APPRECIATE DEREK GAVE US THE INPUT LAST TIME AND YOUR INPUT THIS TIME. 
          I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS AND I SO APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THIS INFORMATION LIKE THAT WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU HAVE TWO COUPLES THERE, THEN ONE FOR HARLAN, ONE AT HARLAN, AND ONE AT CIELO OR S BANNER IT IT, IT B. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO IT A A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE KIND OF DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE CAN DRILL MORE IN TO THE DETAILS. 
          SO WE COULD DO, THE PLAN WAS TO DO THE CUT THROUGHS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IF YOU DID DO THE CUT THROUGHS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING EVERYBODY DOWN HERE. 
          WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A ROUND, ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT ON THIS END. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO TO BRENTWOOD AND YOU'RE HERE, YOU GOTTA GO DOWN HERE AND TURN AROUND AND GO BACK. 
          UH, IF YOU DON'T DO THE CUT THROUGHS. 
          AND THAT IS WITH ALTERNATE C. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WITH ALTERNATE C I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED AS MUCH ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOCAL TRAFFIC, JUST THOSE FEW HOUSES AND THE 
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CHANCE OF THEM BEING BACKED UP FIVE OR SIX CARS IS NOT VERY LIKELY. 
          UH, SO WITH C WE, WE, WE COULD DO A ROUNDABOUT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE JUST HAVE A, WE JUST HAVE A CUT THROUGH RIGHT HERE, UH, IN HARLAN WHERE THEY GET BACK, UH, AND THEY CAN GO LEFT OR RIGHT AT THAT POINT. 
          SO ON C, THE ENTRY FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD THAT WANT TO GO, THAT ARE COMING WEST TO EAST IS AT THE SAME TURN AS FOR THE PARK Y YES. 
          IT'S, THAT STAYS THE SAME. 
          UM, SOME POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL TALK ABOUT WITH ALTERNATE B. 
          UM, SO SOME PORTIONS OF ALL WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED. 
          UM, THE EXISTING LANE WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT TO TO STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, TREE ASSESSMENT. 
          I HAVE A SLIDE IN THERE, UM, THAT, UM, WHAT IT WILL COST AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF, OF BRINGING THE EXISTING ROAD UP TO STANDARDS. 
          UM, SUCH AS LIKE CURBS HAVE TO BE ADDED. 
          UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK AS, SO I'LL PAUSE AND SAY, UM, SO I'M ALSO A CERTIFIED ARBORIST. 
          UM, AND SO I DID THE TREE ASSESSMENT WORK AND SO I'LL, I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT INTO, UM, THE TREE ASSESSMENT WORK THAT I DID, PARTICULARLY WHEN, AS IT RELATES TO ALTERNATIVE B, 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UM, ROOT, UM, PROBABLY SOME ROOT DAMAGE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO JUST AS AN ARBORIST, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SAME MULTI-USE TRAIL. 
          SO CERTAIN THINGS ARE, ARE CONSISTENT WITH REEF. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE A MULTI-USE TRAIL NO MATTER WHAT THAT'LL CONNECT TO WINDY HILL PARK. 
          UM, THERE'S A SEPARATION BETWEEN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN PATH THAT'S THE SAME. 
          UM, AS, UM, UH, I THINK YOU WAS SAYING THE ROAD, THE EXISTING ROAD IS GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE, UM, FOR MINIMUM NINE MONTHS, UH, AS THE, UH, NEW ROAD'S BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, AND SO NARROW LANES WILL ADD, UH, SPEED LIMITS, UH, TO ENFORCE SPEED. 
          SO, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PRESENT THE FINAL ALTERNATIVE. 
          C AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO A IN THAT, UM, WE'LL HAVE, UM, BOTH LANES OF TRAFFIC, UM, ON, ON THIS SIDE. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATH IS, IS NOW WITHIN THE EASEMENT HERE AND THE EXISTING ROAD IS, IS NOW A FRONTAGE ROAD FOR, FOR THESE RESIDENTS HERE. 
          JULIE, A QUESTION OR MAYBE A QUESTION FOR DICKY. 
          I KNOW DURING OUR ORIGINAL CONVERSATION ABOUT ALTERNATIVE A, A COMMENT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN PARTICULAR, Y'ALL HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT IF WE MAKE THE ORIGINAL ROAD BED LIKE A GREENWAY TRAIL, BUT WITH, YOU KNOW, IMPEDIMENTS BY THE DRIVEWAYS AND OTHER STUFF, BUT THAT WOULD REALLY PRIMARILY BE WALKERS AND KIDS ON BIKES WHERE THERE'D STILL BE A BIKE LANE ON THE, THE ACTUAL ROAD FOR THE SERIOUS CYCLISTS OUT THERE RIDING A PACE LINE OR TRYING TO RIDE FOR FITNESS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY WOULD BE SEPARATE UP ON THE, THE, THE, THE REAL ROAD BED OR THAT AREA WHERE YOU'D HAVE A MUCH MORE RECREATIONAL KIND OF MELLOW BIKE AREA. 
          SO IS, IS THAT THE CASE WITH ALTERNATIVE C AS WELL OR DOES THAT FAMILIES SERIOUS CYCLISTS SAW ON THE SAME TRAIL? YEAH, ALTERNATIVE C UM, IS THE, ALL THE PEDESTRIANS ARE UP HERE NOW. 
          WE COULD DO, WE STILL HAVE A SHOULDER ON THIS SIDE HERE, SO THAT COULD STILL BE A HIGH SPEED BIKE, YOU KNOW, A A REAL BIKER ROAD. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A 10 FOOT PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, BUT NORMAL LIKE WE DO THROUGHOUT GREENWOOD ON THIS SIDE HERE. 
          SO, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT THAT ADJUSTMENT, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A AND C. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE TAKING PEOPLE OFF OF THE OLD ROAD, THE PEDESTRIANS PEDESTRIAN, YEAH. 
          WHERE UM, IN ALTERNATE A THE OLD ROAD BECOMES THE PET TRAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S A REALLY WIDE PET. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND UM, THERE IS A PLACE FOR THE SERIOUS BIKERS ON THE NEW ROAD, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          WITH WITH WITH C WITH THAT EXISTING ROAD, THERE'S STILL TRAFFIC, NOW IT'S LOCAL TRAFFIC, BUT THERE'S STILL TRAFFIC THERE. 
          AND ON THAT OLD ROAD I DON'T, DEREK, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT PEDESTRIANS OVER PEDESTRIANS. 
          CERTAINLY NOT. 
          UH, BUT UM, WE COULDN'T KEEP BICYCLES OFF OF IT 'CAUSE IT'S STILL GONNA BE A PUBLIC TRAVEL WAY. 
          SO YEAH, YOU COULD, THEY COULD STILL BIKE 
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ON IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE, IF IT WAS A DEDICATED YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR KIDS DOWN THE ROADWAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A, A, A LOCAL PUBLIC ROADWAY. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER THING WITH THIS WITH C IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A, WITH THE CUT THROUGHS, WE HAD SOME, SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, THE LITTLE ROUNDABOUTS, JUST TRAFFIC CALMING. 
          SO WITH THIS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THE MEETING, WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CALMING C IS A GOOD ALTERNATIVE. 
          SO IT, IT'S REALLY GOOD ALTERNATIVE. 
          THAT WAS DEREK'S IDEA AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT DO YOU WANT THE OLD ROAD TO BE? DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT FOR PEDESTRIANS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT WHERE, KEEP IT EXISTING BUT MAKE IT MORE LOCAL NOW YOU CAN DRIVE IT STILL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TAKE A STROLL DOWN THE ROAD, BUT YOU COULD STILL JUST LIKE THE LOCAL PEOPLE, YOU COULD STILL DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT'S JUST A LOT HARDER TO GET TO. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING FROM POINT A TO POINT B, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO THAT WAY. 
          BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE OLD ROAD, YOU CAN'T GO DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST A A BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE, THE, THE BIKES ON THE OLD, WHAT WE'RE CALLING FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, I SAID YOU COULDN'T KEEP BIKES OFF OF THAT ROAD, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD WITH AN ACTION OF THE COMMISSION, YOU COULD POST IT. 
          NO, NO. 
          BICYCLES ALLOWED SUCH AS THEY DO ON THE INTERSTATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE OLD ROAD WOULD NOT BE SPECIFICALLY FOR A BIKE TRAIL WITH ALTERNATE CI JUST, JUST TO COMMENT. 
          SO WITH A, IF THERE WAS A, ONE OF THE SHOULDERS BECAME A BIKE TRAIL, I MEAN, IT'D BE FOUR FEET. 
          SO I DON'T THINK PEOPLE THAT PROFESSIONALLY BIKE, YOU KNOW, FIRST SPEED AND A LOT OF EXERCISE ARE GONNA WANT TO BE GOING EAST AND WEST. 
          RIGHT? EAST AND WEST ON THE SAME. 
          YEAH, THEY'LL BE IN RIGHT. 
          SO THEY, THEY'LL BE IN THE ROAD. 
          BUT, UM, AND, AND FOR THE SAME REASON, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD NECESSARILY COME OVER, UM, TO, WELL IT'D BE IN A HERE YOU DON'T, WHEN YOU WENT TO A, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY BIKE PATH ON THERE. 
          IS THERE A REASON THAT WE WOULD REALLY NEED ONE? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A, UH, WHAT IS IT? UH, 16 FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE GET THAT MUCH BIKE TRAFFIC ON SQUARE ROAD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ON THE EAST END CONNECT TO ANYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT LIKE ED EDMONDS AND PIKE OR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR A LONG TIME AGO WHEN WE DID THE FIRST SPLIT LOG ROAD PROJECT, ONE OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THAT LONG HILL MM-HMM . 
          COMING DOWN TO WILSON FIKE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD, YOU COULD TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE BRAKE AND GET TO 50 MILES AN HOUR MM-HMM . 
          SO, BUT THERE WAS NO PLACE TO DO ENFORCEMENT. 
          YOU COULDN'T PULL, IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO PULL SOMEBODY OVER. 
          SO THIS FOUR FOOT SHOULDER IS REALLY, UM, ONE IS TO PROTECT THE ASPHALT OF THE ROAD, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT'D BE FOUR PLUS A LITTLE BIT, FOUR ASPHALT, THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY DID GET CAUGHT SPEEDING, THEY COULD BE PULLED OVER AND THERE'S A PLACE FOR 'EM TO PULL OVER SAFELY. 
          AND THEN, SO SINCE THAT'S GONNA BE A RARE OCCASION, THEN YOU MIGHT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AS A BIKE TRAIL TOO. 
          SO YOU PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES, IT'S JUST ON, ON A, WOULD YOU PUT IT ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE FOOT BIKE TRAIL? YEAH, IT, IT COULD BE ON BOTH SIDES ON A, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT SHOULDER ON BOTH SIDES. 
          SO IT COULD BE TWO WAYS. 
          SO THE SHOULDER WOULD BE THE BIKE TRAIL. 
          WE JUST MARK IT AS THE BIKE TRAIL. 
          BUT ALSO JANET, YOU FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT COMES IN THE FUTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I DO KNOW LIVING BY CROCKETT PARK, WE DO GET SERIOUS CYCLISTS. 
          OH YEAH. 
          AT TIMES THE PEOPLE RUNNING PACE LINES OR EVEN PEOPLE RIDING E-BIKES GET TO BE AN ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, SO TRYING TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR THE FUTURE THAT TRIES TO SEPARATE THE, THE VERY, VERY RECREATIONAL FAMILIES WITH THE KIDS ON TRAINING WHEELS FROM FOLKS THAT ARE AT A FASTER PACE. 
          IT'S, IT'S NICE TO HAVE ALTERNATIVES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, BUT HAVING IT ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE, GOING ONE FOR EAST AND ONE FOR WEST. 
          'CAUSE I WAS CONCERNED THAT WE'RE JUST MARKING THE ONE SHOULDER. 
          OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE IT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE BIKES AND, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE BICYCLES. 
          EVEN IF THIS, UH, WE TOOK AWAY THE SIDEWALKS AND THE TRAIL ON THE NEW SEGMENT OF ROADWAY, THE CYCLISTS WOULD USE THAT ROAD JUST AS THEY DO ANY OTHER ROAD. 
          I MEAN, THEY CYCLE UP AND DOWN, THEY TAKE THEIR LIVES IN THEIR OWN HANDS. 
          THEY CYCLE UP AND DOWN WILSON PIKE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          ALL DAY LONG. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT 
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THOUGH THERE'S NOT A BIKE LANE DEDICATED, IF, IF THERE WERE NO BIKE LANES DEDICATED SERIOUS CYCLISTS THAT WE SEE AROUND TOWN WOULD USE THIS ROAD TO CYCLE ANYWAY. 
          ONE QUESTION ON, ON ALTERNATIVE C, AND WE LEAVE THE ROAD, SO IT'S STILL WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND WE DON'T TOUCH IT, RIGHT? WE DON'T DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          DOES THAT, ARE WE, DOES THAT PUT US IN ANY KIND OF DANGER LIABILITY WISE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WELL, SO OUR, OUR POINT ON THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER IS WOULD IT PUT US IN ANY OTHER LIABILITY? I WOULD SAY NO. 
          UH, YOU, BECAUSE OF THE FACT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT, NUMBER ONE, WE WOULD MAKE IT A ONE LANE TRAVELED WAY. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE POSTED FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY. 
          NOW, AGAIN, AS DICKIE SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO SAY, HEY, LET ME TAKE YOU DOWN OLD SMYRNA ROAD ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND SHOW YOU THE HISTORIC WALL IN THE TREES. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE, UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED BACK IN THE PAST THAT I DON'T SPECIFICALLY KNOW WHAT IS WHAT IT IS , BUT MOST OF YOU DO. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD BE, AND WE'RE GONNA POST IT AT, AT, AT A SPEED LIMIT, UH, THINK ABOUT 15, MAYBE 20 MILES AN HOUR. 
          SO NO, WOULD WE BE INCREASING OUR LIABILITY? UH, I, I GUESS IT COULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT WE'RE RECLASSIFYING OLD SMYRNA ROAD, THE EXISTING OLD ROADWAY FROM AN ARTERIAL, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS AN ARTERIAL. 
          NOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SOMETHING WITH THE OLD ROADWAY. 
          BUT WHEN WE MOVE, IF WE, UH, MOVE THIS TO JUST A ONE LANE ROAD, IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED SORT OF JUST AS A LOCAL ROADWAY, WE CAN ADJUST THE TRAFFIC IN THE SPEEDS ON THAT ACCORDINGLY TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE IN EACH LEVEL. 
          YOU HAVE ARTERIALS AND YOU HAVE COLLECTORS AND YOU HAVE ROAD LOCAL ROADS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME DISTRICTS HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF LOCAL ROADS, UM, EACH, EACH TIME YOU GO UP, THE DESIGN STANDARDS INCREASE BECAUSE TYPICALLY SPEED INCREASES. 
          SO WE WOULD BE DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM. 
          SO I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN AND, AND YOU GET SUED, BUT, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD MITIGATE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST FOR COMPARISON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT OR, OR DEREK YES MA'AM. 
          THE OLD WILSON PIKE NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S THE BIKE TRAIL PUTS YOU THERE AND THEN YOU CONTINUE ON THE BIKE TRAIL AND THEN TO GET ON SMITH PARK, RIGHT? IS THAT A LOCALS ONLY ROAD? IS THAT JUST A, IS IT TECHNICALLY A PEDESTRIAN BIKEWAY WITH CUT THROUGH FOR THE FEW HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE DOWN THERE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOWN BY RAVENWOOD? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'M WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF BIKING ON THE OLD ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH, UH, WITH THAT TO SAY, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST A MULTI-USE TRAIL, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MULTI-USE TRAIL IN THE CITY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S, SO IT JUST HAS BEING USED AS, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT A LOCAL ROAD THEN. 
          I, I'M JUST TRYING TO COMPARE TO SEE IT'S PROBABLY IT, IF IT WAS A ROAD IN THE PAST COMMISSIONER, WE PROBABLY KEPT THAT AS RIGHT OF WAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING USED AS A, AS A TRAVEL. 
          UH, THERE, THERE A FEW HOUSES DOWN THERE? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I DON'T, THERE'S A FEW HOUSES DOWN THERE, SO THAT'S, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT'S OFFICIALLY IT'S, IT WAS, WE DO, IT WAS A ROAD. 
          IT WAS WILSON PI. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT LITERALLY WENT THROUGH THERE. 
          THEY IMPROVED THAT SECTION TO FEED THOSE HOUSES AND THEN THE SMITH FARM. 
          BUT LITERALLY, I MEAN, I WENT UNDER THAT TUNNEL THOUSANDS OF TIMES PROBABLY AS A KID. 
          IT, THAT LITERALLY WAS WHAT FED UP UNDER THAT PEDESTRIAN TUNNEL IS THERE AND THEN CAME BACK OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND KIND OF FOLLOWS WHERE WILSON PIKE FOLLOWS NOW ONCE YOU WENT UNDER THAT TUNNEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE I DO OF A SITUATION SIMILAR. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE RAGSDALE ROAD OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY WAS REALIGNED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE CITY KEPT THAT PORTION OF RAGSDALE ROAD, THE OLD PORTION THAT WAS REALIGNED. 
          AND YES, THAT IS A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT USE THAT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ACCESS IT TO GET TO THEIR HOMES BACK THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN ALTERNATE A IS LIKE CONVERTING WILSON PIKE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S THE WILSON PIKE. 
          WHERE IT GOES UNDER THE RAILROAD IS, IS NOW JUST A TRAIL MM-HMM . 
          PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IN ALTERNATE DAY. 
          UM, JUST SOME, UH, SOME MORE OVERVIEW OF, OF ALTERNATE C UM, THE TREES, THE HISTORIC WALL, 
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HISTORIC ROAD ARE ALL PRESERVED. 
          UM, NOT, NOT DOING CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. 
          UM, THE HISTORIC ROAD, THE EXISTING ROAD WILL BE PRETTY MUCH TURNED INTO A ONE-WAY FRONTAGE FOR, FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS. 
          UM, DICK, YOU MENTIONED POSTING SIGNS 15 MILES PER HOUR JUST TO KEEP IT, UM, KEEP IT DOWN THE SPEED. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL DIRECTION SIGNAGE, UM, TO BE ADDED FOR, FOR THE FRONTAGE ROADS TO LET LOCALS KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A LOCAL ROAD ONLY. 
          UM, SIMILAR WITH BOTH THE A AND B, THERE'S GONNA BE A MULTI-USE TRAIL. 
          UM, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE SEPARATION FROM TRAFFIC, UH, OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS. 
          UM, SIMILAR TO, TO A, THE OLD ROAD CAN STILL BE USED WHILE THE NEW ROAD IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, SIMILAR, THE WIDER LANES ALTERNATIVE IS, IS GONNA PROVIDE, UM, SAFETY, SAFE, SAFER SPEED ENFORCEMENT LIKE DICKY SAID, WITH THE FOUR FOOT, UM, SHOULDERS ADDED, UM, SIMILAR, UH, TO A NEW ROAD DESIGN, INCREASE VISIBILITY DRIVER. 
          SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT. 
          UH, I'LL, I'LL SAY IN THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE DON'T INTEND ON HAVING, UM, PUBLIC FEEDBACK DURING THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT, BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME, UM, DISCUSSION TABLES. 
          UM, I THINK SOMETHING THAT THEY LEARNED IN THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC MEETING WAS, UM, ALLOWING, UM, PUBLIC TO, TO COME UP AND, AND SPEAK AND I THINK THAT MAYBE TURNED INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANTED. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO, TO HELP MAYBE CURB SOME, UM, OF, OF THAT. 
          SO IF WE DO THE DISCUSSION TABLES, THEY STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECORD THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WITH COMMISSION? YES. 
          YES. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          WE'RE GONNA, UM, INCORPORATE A DIGITAL SURVEY ON THEIR PHONE SO THEY CAN, UM, UM, GET FEEDBACK AND WE CAN GET, UM, HAVE THAT DIGITALLY RECORDED TO PROVIDE TO YOU  NEED TO ABLE TO GET THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION. 
          NO, UNDERSTOOD. 
          LETTING EVERYBODY HEAR EVERYTHING BEFORE WE START TAKING INDIVIDUAL YOU QUESTIONS. 
          MAKE SENSE? I I JUST DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK AND GET, UM, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THEY'VE DONE SOME CREATIVE STUFF FOR THAT, THAT, THAT SHE'LL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, SO I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE, AS A, UM, CERTIFIED ARBOR, KIND OF WHAT I SEE AS FAR AS, UM, POTENTIAL RISKS WITH, WITH EACH, UM, OF THE REAL ALTERNATIVES. 
          UM, ALTERNATIVE B COMPARED TO A AND C IS GONNA POSE THE, THE MOST RISK TO, TO THE TREES. 
          OBVIOUSLY WITH A AND C WE'RE NOT EVEN TOUCHING, UM, ROAD CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY JUST CONCERNED WITH, WITH, UM, ALTERNATE B AND ALTERNATE B POSES THE HIGHEST RISK TO, UM, LONG-TERM TREE HEALTH. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT THE, THE DRAINAGE, SPECIFICALLY THE DRAINAGE AND, AND CURBING GUTTERS THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED IN, INTO ROAD B. 
          UH, JUST, UM, TALKING WITH, WITH PAT AND DICKEY, UM, SO ON, UM, WITH ALTERNATE B THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIG A TRENCH IN ORDER TO, IN, UM, UM, INSTALL, UM, DRAINAGE. 
          AND I'M NOT THE TECHNICAL, SO MAYBE I HAVE TO  LEAN ON YOU GUYS TO, TO, UM, BY THAT. 
          BUT THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A, A TRENCH, A DITCH TO INCORPORATE THIS. 
          AND, UM, THE MAJOR ROOTS, UH, OF THE TREES ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, UM, ROOT PRUNING, UM, WHICH IS, CAN BE COSTLY, UM, TO GO THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THEN THE TREES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE TRENCH IS GONNA HAVE TO BE FIVE OR SIX FEET DEEP, SIX TO EIGHT FEET WIDE. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE, THE TRUNK, THE FACE OF THE TRUNK OF THE TREES ARE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF FEET TO THE FACE OF THE ROAD. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THERE, IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT A FEW TREES MAY HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT, UM, PARTICULARLY, UM, CLOSER TO HERE. 
          THAT'S WHERE, UM, A LOT OF THE TREES ARE CLOSER TO, TO THE ROAD. 
          AS WE GET FURTHER ON HERE, DOWN, UM, SMYRNA ROAD, UH, THE EXISTING TREES ARE A LITTLE FURTHER BACK, SO IT'S NOT GONNA CREATE AS, AS BIG OF A RISK. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND YOU, YOU KNOW HOW YOU HAVE A TREE CANOPY? WELL, YOU CAN THINK IF YOU'RE DIGGING A, A TRENCH TO BURY PIPE FIVE OR SIX FEET DEEP, YOU'VE GOT THE BUCKET, THE EXCAVATOR, IT'S GOTTA HAVE ROOM TO WORK. 
          SO IT IS JUST, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION. 
          BE IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION ON, ON THE TREES, YOU MEAN? SO, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ONLY ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS, IS WHERE THE, THE TRENCH IS GONNA BE, UM, CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, SO ANY TREE ALONG THAT SOUTH SIDE, UM, ROOTS ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED. 
          UM, I, I CAN'T SAY WITH CERTAINTY WHAT THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS ARE GONNA BE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN 
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YOU DO AFFECT TREE ROOTS, ESPECIALLY THE, THE LARGER ROOTS CLOSER TO THE TRUNK, UM, IT, THERE'S GONNA BE VARYING DEGREES OF, OF LONG-TERM HEALTH TREES THAT ARE OLDER TREES THAT ARE IN POOR HEALTH. 
          UM, CERTAIN SPECIES LIKE THE ASH JUST BECAUSE OF THE KNOWN, UM, EMERALD ASH OR THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S LIKELIER THAT THERE'S GONNA BE LONG-TERM NEGATIVE EFFECTS. 
          SO, UM, JUST ALL AROUND, I I, IF, UM, UM, IF TREE PRESERVATION IS OF TOP CONCERN, ALTERNATE B IS, IS PROBABLY THE, THE WORST, UM, UM, ALTERNATE FOR THAT. 
          SO A AND C IF, IF TREE PRESERVATION IS OF IMPORTANCE, ALTERNATES A AND C ARE, ARE THE BETTER ALTERNATIVES FROM A, UM, ARBORIST STANDPOINT LOOKING AT THE TREE HEALTH. 
          SO, UM, ON THE TREE THING, I KNOW I'VE HAD THE COMMENT BEFORE, AND YOU SAID EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO ABOUT 10 CUT THROUGHS FOR THE 10 DRIVEWAYS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CUT THROUGHS ARE SIMILAR TO ANY KIND OF SIDEWALK IN THE CITY, BUT DID THAT MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON THE TREES AS WELL? OR ARE THOSE NARROW ENOUGH WHERE, OR DID YOU TAKE A LOOK TO LINE TO SEE HOW THEY LINE UP TO THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ALL AN IDEA FOR TREES ROCK? RIGHT. 
          I HAVE NOT YET LOOKED INTO WHERE THESE CUT THROUGHS ARE WITH THE EXISTING TREES. 
          UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO, LIKE IF, IF AN EXISTING TREE IS RIGHT HERE, UM, IT, IT MAY HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT. 
          I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT, UM, SPECIFICALLY YEAH. 
          WITH, WITH THIS YET. 
          THERE'S SOON TO BE SOME, BUT, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          I HADN'T, I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THIS AND, AND, OR I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS DRIVING THE ROAD, BUT IF THE TREES ARE KIND OF FRONT LOADED TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE WHERE THERE'S ALSO, I THINK FEWER DRIVEWAYS OR, OR, OR AT LEAST THE TREES ARE KIND OF CLUMPED. 
          I KNOW A COMMENT HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER REALLY REMEMBER WHO MADE IT, BUT THAT IF WE CUT THROUGH THE MEDIAN THAT WE KIND OF RUINED THE WALL OR THE TREES ANYWAY. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE'RE CUTTING THROUGH FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVEWAYS, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY REALLY DISTURBING THAT MUCH OF THE WALL OR THAT MUCH OF THE TREES FOR THAT, OR IS IT? NO, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WALLS COME APART ANYWAY, RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN SAY, WELL THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO MOVE SOME, WE'LL USE REUSE STONE MM-HMM . 
          WHETHER IT'S BUILD MORE WALL HERE, THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS WHERE THE WALL'S MISSING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S PRETTY BARE. 
          SO EVEN IF WE HAD SOME SCATTERED, YOU KNOW, 30 FOOT SECTIONS OF WALL IN THERE TO KIND OF TIE ALL THAT TOGETHER. 
          SO WE WILL, WE WILL LOSE SOME TREES WITH THE CUT THROUGHS, UM, AND WE WILL HAVE TO DISTURB THE WALL, BUT WE, WE CAN PUT THE WALL BACK, YOU KNOW, BUILD GOOD CORNERS WHERE THE CROSSINGS ARE AND THEN WE'LL REUSE ALL THE STONE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WELL, AND REALLY LOOK, WE'VE DONE ON SOME PIECE PLACES ON MURRAY LANE OR WILSON PIKE, IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UPDATE THE WALL FOR THAT SECTION TO HAVE IT BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND OR WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL VARIETY OF TREES AND ADDITIONAL AGENTS OF TREES IN THERE. 
          WELL, THE BUDGET THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, PAT, WHAT WAS IT? ABOUT $800,000 IN WALLS, ADDITIONAL WALLS AND REPAIRING THESE WALLS. 
          AND SO IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER TO YEAH. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE TO MAKE, MAKE THIS ALL KIND OF A, AN EXTENSION OF WIND HILL PARK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO LOOK, WE WANT IT TO LOOK GOOD. 
          UH, AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T LANDSCAPE ON OUR ROAD PROJECTS, SO WE PROBABLY WON'T BE PLANTING TREES, BUT DOING HARDSCAPE IS, IS COULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T GOT DOWN TO THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE DETAILS YET. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          BUT THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH, SO, SO THERE'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER INVESTING IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THIS PROJECT OR THROUGH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR THROUGH THE TREE BOARD, OR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IN TERMS OF YOU FIND THAT AREA AND YOU CAN CONTINUE ON. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS YOU SAID WAS 40%, PROBABLY MORE THAN THE OTHER MM-HMM . 
          40% MORE. 
          A LOT OF TREE LOSS, LOT OF ROCK WALL. 
          JUST DISRUPTION TO THE LOCALS SHAREHOLDERS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GREAT ALTERNATIVE. 
          SO I MEAN, WE DIDN'T BRING THAT FORWARD. 
          THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T YEAH. 
          PRESENT IT FURTHER THE FIRST TIME BETWEEN A AND C, IS THERE A HUGE OR A SMALL COST DIFFERENCE? IT'S SMALL. 
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SO LIKE 5% OR 3% OR 7%? 45%. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE, IT, IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A FACTOR IN WHAT WE, IT'S SO CLOSE EITHER WAY. 
          AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING HERE OR SOMETHING THERE. 
          SO THEY'RE REP FOR, AS FAR AS THIS, THE CITY'S CONCERNED, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUDGET A AND C FOR RIGHT NOW, WOULD JUST CONSIDER THEM PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME? SAME. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY WITHIN 5%. 
          COULD WE JUST CONSIDERATE JUST REAL QUICKLY? PART OF THAT'S BECAUSE WITH ALTERNATE C, WITH ALTERNATE A, UH, THE, UH, PET TRAIL WOULD BE THE OLD ROAD. 
          UH, ON ALTERNATE C, WE'RE CONSTRUCTING A NEW PET TRAIL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE CUT THROUGHS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR ALTERNATE. 
          A ALTERNATE A HAS ALL THE CUT THROUGHS. 
          SO THAT KIND OF WASHES OUT SPEAKING IN PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES OF IF YOU WENT WITH A, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, AND I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ROAD, UM, THIS PICTURE, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT THAT, A GOOD PORTION OF EITHER PROJECT HARLAN IS IN FRONT OF IT, BUT HARLAN'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF SEVERAL OF THE TREES. 
          YES. 
          JUST IN BUILDING THE, AND REDOING THE WALL, OPENING ALL THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND OPENING AND ON THIS SIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAYS HERE, SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL LOSE THAT MANY. 
          I WAS JUST, I WAS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD GOING UP DOWN THAT ROAD AND THEN LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, WHICH I LOVE THIS PICTURES IN THE WINTERTIME BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN ALSO KIND OF SEE THE SHAPE AND CONDITION OF THE TREES. 
          MY GUESS IS A LOT OF THESE TREES OVER HERE ON THE LEFT ARE EITHER JUNIPER'S JUST OFF THE ROAD OR SOME OF THOSE PROBABLY ARE HACKBERRIES. 
          YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER, WHICH YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE ANY TREE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO LOSE A HACKBERRY, IT'S NOT LIKE LOSING AN OAK OR A, AN ELM OR A MAPLE OR WHATEVER. 
          SO BIG PICKING FAVORITES. 
          YEAH, I'M PICKING FAVORITES. 
          I'VE HAD TO CUT DOWN TO MY SHARE OF HACKBERRIES AND, AND A OCK TREE, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT HACKBERRY WAS THE NUMBER ONE, UM, SPECIES OF TREE. 
          IT, IT IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NEW, IT'S YOUNG. 
          IT'S, UH, THEY USUALLY SPROUT UP AND PRETTY GROW PRETTY FAST. 
          BUT, SO, SO BACK TO DEREK, YOU MADE A COMMENT A MINUTE AGO IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE, THE COST OF THE CUT THROUGHS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT, THAT I HEARD, UH, DICKIE SAY EARLIER, WHO WAS, DICKIE MENTIONED THAT WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING WHERE IF ALTERNATE A HAS SOME DEGREE OF TRAFFIC CALMING BUILT IN WITH, UH, THE MINI ROUNDABOUTS OF THE DRIVEWAYS MM-HMM . 
          WE HAVE TO FACTOR IN ADDITIONAL COST FOR SOME OTHER SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING OR OPTION C AND DIDN'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE TRAFFIC COMMON FEATURES? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UH, WE, WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT COMMISSIONER MAYOR IS, UM, AT THE, AT THE HARLAN SUBDIVISION AND, UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER PLACE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE A SORT OF A MIDPOINT CONNECTION FOR THIS ALTERNATE SEA WHERE IT'S JUST A FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          AND WE WERE THINKING OF PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT IN THE NEW ROAD AT THOSE LOCATIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD DO ON OPTION A. 
          AM I CORRECT WHEN I SAY THAT DICKIE? YEAH. 
          IT, UM, SO WE C THE, THE VOLUME AND SO TRAFFIC ENGINEERS JUSTIFY WHETHER WHAT YOU DO IN TERMS OF STOP SIGNS AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN SCOPE, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THERE YET. 
          SO I THINK WITH C DERRICK, I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE A ROUNDABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE, I THINK, AND IT'S THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE NOW FROM A TRAFFIC COMMON STANDPOINT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD STILL DO LIKE A, A ROUNDABOUT AND JUST AS A TRAFFIC COMMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE A LEG EITHER WAY. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          IT, IT IS KIND OF A STRETCH SHOT BETWEEN HERE AND JONES PARKWAY, BETWEEN HARLAN AND JONES PARKWAY. 
          ALTERNATE C UH, AND Y'ALL MAY HAVE SHOWN THIS EARLIER, IF YOU DID, I MISSED IT, THIS FRONTAGE ROAD, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S COMING OUT HERE. 
          DOES IT HAVE A INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THE FAR WEST END BACK INTO YEAH, IT'S THE SAME BACK INTO THE ROAD. 
          I CAN SEE IT'S, IT IS STILL HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE INGRESS EGRESS IS OFF OF THE OLD ROAD ON PLAN C GOING INTO THE NEW ROUNDABOUT. 
          IT'S SAME RIGHT HERE AT WINDY HILL PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CUT THROUGH, IS THAT HARLAN AND THEN AT SNEAD MANOR, IS THAT A CUT THROUGH THERE? UM, NOT, I JUST LOOKS LIKE IT ON THE MAP WHERE THE BLACK BOX DISRUPTED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, WE HAVE A COUPLE. 
          SO HARLAN IS KIND OF THE TURNAROUND, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THIS, LIKE THIS LITTLE SECTION 
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OF ROAD WHERE WE HAVE THIS, THIS COMING OUT HERE, YOU WOULD END UP HAVING A ONE-WAY THIS WAY AND A ONE WAY THAT WAY. 
          SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF CUT THAT THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THESE GUYS WILL GO STRAIGHT ACROSS, SO IT'LL BE ONE WAY SEPARATE, ANOTHER CUT THROUGH. 
          'CAUSE EACH OF THOSE WILL BE CUT THROUGH. 
          IT JUST KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO KEEP SO MUCH ONE WAY WILL BE WEST TO EAST. 
          ONE WAY WOULD BE BE WEST TO EAST. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM EDMONDSON WHO LIVE IN ONE OF THESE HOUSES GOING EAST TO WEST, THEY'LL COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE, TURN IN AND THEN COME BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE DRIVEWAYS. 
          THEY COULD CUT THROUGH. 
          IT'S ACCORDING TO WHERE THEY LIVE, JUST PAST THEIR HOUSE TO THE NEXT CUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BACKTRACK OR AROUND FOR THESE PEOPLE HERE. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF A TRADE OFF COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND WE, WE WOULD BE ASKING OF COURSE, THE STAKEHOLDERS THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS FRONTAGE ROAD DURING THIS FIRST MEETING. 
          AND OF COURSE THE SECOND ONE AS WELL. 
          UH, WE WANT TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON HOW THEY WOULD FEEL ABOUT PULLING THE ROADWAY AND THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FURTHER AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSES. 
          THAT WAS A CONCERN INITIALLY. 
          AND THEY ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT CROSSING THE BICYCLES ON THEIR DRIVEWAYS. 
          THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME MEASURES THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, UH, IN ALTERNATE A TO MITIGATE THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD DURING THAT FIRST FIRST MEETING WAS JUST, WHAT DO I DO WHEN I'M COMING OUT MY DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S A BICYCLE COMING? SO ALTERNATE C ELIMINATES THAT. 
          IT'S JUST GO TO THE PERSPECTIVE OFFICE PEDESTRIAN. 
          RIGHT? SO CUT THROUGH THE ROAD COMES ACROSS AS BEING ONLY THE ONLY PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO AND THREE VERSUS 10. 
          SO HERE'S THE PET TRAILS OUT HERE. 
          WE HAVE THOSE IN SEVERAL PLACES IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, BUT EVERY TIME A DRIVEWAY CROSSES 'EM ALL THE TIME, DON'T TEND TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THIS IS A LITTLE, BEING ON THAT OLD ROAD IS, SO IF YOU, IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PRETTY USED TO IT. 
          IF YOU'RE VISITOR'S NOT COMMON LIKE IT IS ON ALL THE OTHER ROADS, THE TRAILS RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO, TO SEE. 
          UH, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A PLAN FOR THE CROSSING IT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DISTRACT YOUR DRIVERS. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S NOT, YOU JUST, THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT EXCEPT TRY TO KEEP 'EM ENTERTAINED WITH THE, THE ONE GOOD THING HERE IS MOST OF THE TRAFFIC BAIL WILL EVER HAVE TO, UM, COME UP AGAINST, AS FAR AS A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLIST ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO WATCHING FOR IT ANYWAY. 
          BECAUSE THE PRIMARY USERS WILL BE PEOPLE HERE WHO EITHER LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES OR WORK AT THOSE HOUSES. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER, PULLING OUT THAT ROAD WITH A LIMITED SITE DISTANCE IN A CAR VERSUS A PEDESTRIAN. 
          YES. 
          IT'S, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMPARABLE, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE, IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A CHANGE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PROCESS IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BIG OF A PROBLEM. 
          UH, IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          BUT I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH SOME OF OUR DESIGN STUFF THAT HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CHOKE IT DOWN THE, THE TRAIL. 
          WE CHOKE IT DOWN AND WE CROSS IT OVER. 
          UH, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE, UH, BOLLARDS ON BIKE TRAILS. 
          THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, BUNCH OF LAWSUITS IN CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW, SO NO BOLLARDS. 
          SO WE, WE'LL DO BUSH, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE INTRODUCING SOME LANDSCAPING. 
          BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. 
          BUT HAVING THE, THE SHAREHOLDERS COMFORTABLE WITH IT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN I COMPARE A TO CI MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE THE CORRIDOR, THE PEOPLE ON C AREN'T GONNA ENJOY THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT WHERE THERE ARE NO TREES. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN LIKE LOOK OVER THERE AND SEE THE TREES AND, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THAT ROAD. 
          WHEREAS A, WE'RE MAKING IT PARK-LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WALKING WHERE IT'S A LOT NICER TO WALK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHADED WHATEVER, AND YOU HAVE THE HISTORIC HOUSES THERE AND STUFF. 
          I MEAN, HERE WE'RE JUST, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT 'EM WAY OUT AND BACK WHEN THIS WAS BEFORE WE HAD THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          SEE, BUT I LIKED THE FACT THAT THE PEDESTRIANS WERE REALLY SEPARATED FROM TRAFFIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BIG DISTANCE BETWEEN ANY MOVING CARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEY'RE GETTING DISTRACTED 
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DRIVERS TO THAT. 
          BUT THE RESIDENT'S CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, PULLING ACROSS ON A BIKE COMING AND WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL, I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO HEAR FROM THOSE RESIDENTS WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. 
          BUT INITIALLY I LIKED ALTERNATE TO THE A BECAUSE I FELT LIKE, I FEEL LIKE ANYTHING WE DO IN THE CITY THAT HAS PRESERVATION ATTACHED TO IT, JUST LIKE USING RAVENSWOOD MANSION, THE MORE IT IS USED, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPOSED TO IT, THE BETTER CHANCE YOU HAVE OF PRESERVING IT IN PERPETUITY. 
          AND BEFORE HARLAN WAS VOTED ON, I REALLY NEVER WANTED THIS ROAD TOUCHED. 
          BUT WHEN THEY PUT 20 HOUSES WHERE THERE WAS ONE HOUSE, AND I KNEW WE WOULD HAVE SUBSEQUENT SUBDIVISIONS COMING. 
          AND I ALSO KNEW WE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          I THOUGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS. 
          BUT YEAH, OLD SMYRNA ROAD IS NOSTALGIC TO ANYBODY WHO'S LIVED HERE ALL THEIR LIFE THAT'S IN THEIR SIXTIES LIKE I AM. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF ROADS IN BRENTWOOD LOOKED LIKE OLD SMYRNA ROAD WHEN I WAS A KID AND EVEN A TEENAGER THAT HAD THE CANOPIES, THEY WERE REAL NARROW. 
          THEY WERE MADE FOR WAGONS, UH, WILSON PIKE, EVEN FROM CONCORD ROAD TO CHURCH STREET BEFORE THEY IMPROVED IT. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S STILL REALLY NARROW. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY IMPROVED IT? WELL, THEY IMPROVED IT GREATLY FROM WHEN I WAS 16. 
          IT USED TO DRIVE, YEAH. 
          . 
          AND IT USED TO HAVE THAT APPEARANCE WITH THE ROCK WALLS ALMOST RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE ROAD AND THE TREES OVER HANGING IT. 
          AND IF A BIG TRUCK CAME THROUGH, IT ALWAYS WOULD CLEAR A TUNNEL ON THE TREES 'CAUSE IT PRUNED THEM AS IT DROVE THROUGH. 
          AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          A BUT I DO WANT THE RESIDENTS TO, TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          AND, AND THE, THAT GOES BACK TO, I GUESS THAT WAS 23 FROM YOUR CHART, UH, WHEN WE DECIDED, WELL, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE A IS PROBABLY THE BETTER 'CAUSE IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE AND LESS PROBLEMS, WHATEVER. 
          BUT I AGREE WITH YOU JANET. 
          I, I, THAT'S ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, I FEEL LIKE, IS THAT IF PEOPLE ARE WALKING THROUGH THERE AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT LIVE BACK OFF OF LIBERTY CHURCH ROAD ARE GONNA MAKE THEIR WAY ALL THE WAY UP TO OLD SMYRNA ON EDMONTON PIKE AND TRY TO GO ON THIS. 
          IT'S MOSTLY GONNA BE THOSE NEIGHBORS, BUT BOTH FROM CARON LA AND, UH, WILLIAMS GROVE, UH, ANNANDALE, HARLAN CELLO, UH, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN INDIVIDUAL HOUSES AS Y'ALL DO. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY GET TO ENJOY THE OLD VIEW SHED OF THE ORIGINAL OLD S MURDER ROAD. 
          SO THEN TO WRAP UP, UM, TO GET, GATHER NEW FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, TABLES WHERE WE'RE GONNA PRINT OFF EACH, UM, EACH ALTERNATIVE. 
          SO A TABLE, IT'S GONNA HAVE ALTERNATIVE A, A TABLE THAT'S GONNA HAVE ALTERNATIVE B TABLE FOR ALTERNATIVE C. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE STATIONED AT EACH TABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, WALK THROUGH, UH, WHATEVER THEY MAY HAVE. 
          UM, I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS HAVE A, A COUPLE LIKE MAYBE A, A CLEAN, UM, ONE, LIKE KIND OF POSTED IT UP AND THEN ONE ON THE TABLE WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF WRITE UP, UM, MARKUP, GIVE FEEDBACK JUST ON THAT. 
          AND WE CAN SCAN IT IN AND PRESERVE THAT. 
          UM, BUT REALLY THE, THE, THE, I THINK THE LONG LASTING FEEDBACK IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SURVEY, UM, WHERE THEY CAN JUST EITHER, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PICTURE ON THEIR PHONE, THIS QR CODE AND IT'LL TAKE IT TO 'EM, OR THEY CAN, UM, UH, GO ONLINE, UM, AND, AND ENTER A CODE. 
          AND SO IT'S ABOUT 20, 25 QUESTIONS. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE A, I MEAN, IF YOU, IT'S LIVE NOW, UM, YOU CAN, UM, TAKE A PICTURE AND GO TO IT IF YOU WANT. 
          UM, SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA ENCOURAGE THEM TO COMPLETE BEFORE LEAVING. 
          'CAUSE WE JUST KNOW HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY, AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE, IT'S LIKELY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TO USE IT OR TO, UM, UM, UH, IT'S OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL CLOSE THE SURVEY 48 HOURS AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ENCOURAGE THEM TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT OPEN, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE TO, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, SO WHAT WE'LL DO, UM, IS GAMBLE DESIGN. 
          WE WILL, UM, CAPTURE, UH, THE, THE RESULTS, UH, TO THIS SURVEY AND, UM, WE'LL COMPILE IT AND UM, UH, 
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UM, IN A COUPLE OF WAYS, THERE'S A SPREADSHEET OF JUST, UM, EXCEL THAT GIVES THE LIST OF INFORMATION AND THEN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF COOL OF, OF DIFFERENT, UM, SLIDES AND, AND THINGS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S REQUIRED FOR NAME AND AND ADDRESS SO THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL KNOW THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST, UH, VARIOUS, UH, QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S THEIR PREFERRED ROAD ALTERNATIVE, WHY OR WHY NOT. 
          UM, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT OF SAFETY. 
          THEY, THEY GET TO RANK SAFETY FEATURES. 
          THEY GET TO RANK, UM, AESTHETIC FEATURES, UM, IF THEY DO THEY UTILIZE, UH, SYSTEMS, THINGS OF OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'LL BE A FINAL, UM, SLIDE WHERE THEY GET TO, UM, JUST OPEN COMMENTS. 
          WHAT OTHER FINAL COMMENTS DO YOU WANNA PROVIDE TO THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD? SO I, I THINK IT'LL BE A REALLY GREAT, UM, DIGITAL SURVEY FORMAT WHERE THEY CAN, UM, CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, THEIR THOUGHTS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION TO DOT, WHAT WAS IT? DOTS, NO DOTS. 
          . 
          YEAH, THAT'S, UH, I I THINK SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM, UH, ASKED THAT WE DON'T USE THE DOT AND PINK AND ORANGE AND GREEN DOT SYSTEM. 
          THEY MAY NOT WANT TO DISCLOSE WHO THEY ARE MAKING US GET UP, BUT NO, I, I, I THINK THAT IS, UM, I THINK THE WAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING, THE ROUTE WE'RE GOING HERE IS MUCH MORE MODERN. 
          I THINK WE'LL GET MORE OPEN INPUT AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT THOSE ATTEND THAT DON'T HAVE CELL PHONES DON'T WANT TO DO. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME PRINTED COMMENT CARDS FOR THEM TO FILL OUT AS WELL. 
          SO, YES. 
          SO I KNOW SOMETIMES IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD COMMENTS, UM, EVEN PRETTY DEEP INTO THIS PROCESS ABOUT WHY DON'T WE JUST ADD SIX INCHES TO EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WHY DON'T WE JUST ADD SOME WIDE SPOTS HERE AND THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE KNOW DON'T MEET CODE. 
          BUT DO Y'ALL THINK YOU NEED TO BACK UP AND ADDRESS THE, THE NEED TO MEET CODE AS PART OF THIS MEETING? OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT GET ADDRESSED OR I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN START OFF, WE CAN START OFF WITH THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A, A SAFETY, IS IT A SLIDE THAT WE YEAH. 
          AND, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT MAYOR IN JUST A MINUTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          AND MAYBE IT'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE. 
          IF WE, WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU DON'T SPEND HALF THIS MEETING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE TABLE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION AT THIS POINT. 
          I MEAN, FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT. 
          OH, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION. 
          IT'S NOT AN OPTION. 
          IT'S NOT AN OPTION. 
          THEY'RE JUST OPENING UP WHOLE ROAD AND IT'S JUST GOING ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO CUT THROUGH IT. 
          DICK, YOU GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT TRAFFIC? CALMING A OR C, THE POTENTIAL TO DO ROUNDABOUTS DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHICH WHICH OPTION, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF THE SAME. 
          NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          I MEAN, MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S REASONABLE OPTIONS FOR ANY SCENARIO. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          WE HAVEN'T GOT, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED. 
          THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CALL AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THE DETAILS YET OF WHAT, WHAT WE, FOR C IT COULD BE THE SAME THING. 
          SO MY, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THE TRAFFIC CALMING ASPECT OF THIS IS NOT A SMALL ASPECT. 
          IT'S A BIG ONE. 
          IT'S A BIG, AND, AND IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT, THAT PART OF IT IS VERY MUTED IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          KINDA LIKE, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT MORE IN DEPTH AT A LATER DATE, BUT I THINK THE FOLKS WILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND VOICE THEIR PREFERENCE AT THIS MEETING OR ELSE WE PLAN TO GO BACK TO THEM WITH THAT ELEMENT OF IT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SMALL ELEMENT LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC CALMING IS SOMETHING THAT AGES GRACEFULLY. 
          AND I MENTIONED THAT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT INCORPORATED SOME THINGS. 
          YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE ELEMENTS OF THE ROAD THAT REQUIRE ATTENTION VERSUS, I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE PUT IN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SPEED BUMPS ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE SPEED TABLES IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT, THAT GET, THEY DON'T TEND TO AGE VERY GRACEFULLY IN THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO, THEY SEEM TO WEAR THIN MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO LIKE 'EM. 
          THEY ALSO CREATE ISSUES WITH SNOW CLEARANCE AND OTHER STUFF. 
          SO, UM, JUST MAKING SURE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC COLONIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY GO IN? BUT ALSO HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY WEAR BOTH IN TERMS OF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO EMOTIONALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM. 
          WE PRESENTED THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN WE'LL BRING IT, WE'LL HAVE IT SOMETHING FOR YOU AT THIS ONE. 
          ALSO, YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, BECAUSE THEY MAY SAY, LOOKING AT THIS, THEY 
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DIDN'T EVEN SHOW US ROUNDABOUTS, BUT YET THEY WOUND UP BUILDING ROUNDABOUTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO, WE WE HAVE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN ORDER TO STIMULATE AS MUCH DISCUSSION AS YOU CAN AT THIS, SOUNDS LIKE REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE TWO VIABLE OPTIONS ARE A AND C. 
          YES. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONERS ARE SHAKING HERE. 
          DO WE EVEN PRESENT B AT THE MEETING? IS IT JUST, I MEAN, WITH THE LOSS OF TREES WITH THE ADDED COST, LOOKS LIKE THOSE A AND C ARE THE TWO REALLY GOOD, ALL GOOD CHOICES. 
          AND WAS THAT A CRITICISM? I, I TRIED TO GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THE OLD MEETINGS AND STUFF AND IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS A CRITICISM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY ASKED FOR MORE ENGINEERING STUDIES WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY A AND B PRESENTED AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS FAVORED. 
          AND SO THEY WANTED MORE OPTIONS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST IT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE PE THERE WAS THE CRITICISM THAT WE NEED TO SEE ALL THE CHOICES. 
          BUT THAT'S EXACTLY IT. 
          I MEAN, THIS WHOLE MEETING IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE MEETING WE HAD WAS IN JUNE, 2023 THAT WE SAT HERE AND, AND LOOKED AT AT THAT TIME ALTERNATE A AND B, YOU KNOW, AND C'S IN REALLY KIND OF A 0.1. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT AT THE TIME WE TOOK B OFF THE TABLE FOR ALL THE REASONS AND THEN IT SOMEHOW CAME BACK UP AND SOME PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU DIDN'T EVEN TELL US THERE WAS AN OPTION B. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, IT'S BECAUSE IT WASN'T A VERY GOOD OPTION. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT. 
          BUT, SO IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD OPTION IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE USE THE EXISTING ROAD? WELL THIS IS, THIS IS THE B IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO USE IT. 
          AND IT IS JUST NOT A GOOD WAY . 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT, AND, AND I GET YOUR POINT, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PRESENTING THE THINGS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          SO I MEAN, WE HAVE IT, WE MIGHT AS WELL. 
          I THINK IT WOULD ALSO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND, LIKE WHEN THEY SEE, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WHY IT'S NOT GOOD, SO BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT'S LOGICAL. 
          WE'VE DONE IT ON MURRAY LANE OR WHATEVER. 
          SO THEY'RE LIKE, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? BUT WHEN YOU SEE WHY AND THE COST AND THE TREE LOSS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          WELL, I LIKE SEEING IT AGAIN, JUST TO COMPARE, PUT UP IN MY HEAD WHY INITIALLY A WAS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE BETWEEN A AND B AND THEN NOW C IS A ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT MAY BE A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE. 
          IS A GOOD ALTERNATIVE. 
          AND SO I, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD THAT YOU PRESENTED IT JUST EVEN THOUGH I REMEMBERED A LOT OF IT. 
          I JUST, IT'S GOOD. 
          NICK, YOU THE ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A AND C AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COSTS WERE FAIRLY CLOSE AND SO FORTH, BUT C DOES ALLOW A MIXTURE, MAYBE A LOW VOLUME MIXTURE OF VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES ON THE OLD ROAD. 
          'CAUSE IT'S AN OUTER ROAD, RIGHT? CC YEAH. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE VEHICLES, YOU COULD SEE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A, THERE'S STILL A SEPARATE PEDESTRIAN, UH, BICYCLE PATHWAY. 
          A NEW ONE YOU STILL COULD SEE BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD ROAD. 
          UNLESS WE SIT, UNLESS YOU TALK ABOUT BANNING BICYCLES. 
          UH, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT USED A LOT BECAUSE OF THE, THE CANOPY, BECAUSE OF THE, THAT COULD BE A PREFERRED CHOICE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WALK OR RIDE THEIR BICYCLE UP AND DOWN. 
          SO ABSENT BANNING, YOU COULD SEE A MIXTURE OF VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES ON THAT OUTER ROAD, COULDN'T YOU? WE HAVE 16 FEET, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY STRIKE, YOU COULD MARKET 10 FEET FOR ONE WAY TRAFFIC AND DON'T DESIGNATE THE OTHER SIX FEET AS AS BIKE TRUCK 'CAUSE YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE ARE DROPOFFS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DROP OFFS ARE THERE IN ALTERNATE A ALSO. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. 
          THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PIECE. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM THE VEHICLE PIECE. 
          THIS ONE'S NOT A HIGH VOLUME. 
          AND, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU CAN AND IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO, TO STRIPE IT, UH, WITH SIGNAGE AND THINGS, BUT IT DOES TECHNICALLY MIX 'EM A LITTLE BIT. 
          TO ME THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE WOULD BE, I MEAN EVEN IF WE, IF WE STRIPE IT OR NOT, IF YOU ARE THINKING AS A HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, ALL 40 OR 50 HOUSES THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED, UM, THAT NO ONE'S GONNA BE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S A LOCAL ROAD ONLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE PUTTING THE PEOPLE BACK, YOU'RE PUTTING THE PEDESTRIAN POTENTIALLY PUTTING THE PEDESTRIANS BACK OVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY GET A CHOICE. 
          AND IF THEY CHOOSE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA MIX THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT AN EASY, EASY SOLUTION. 
          SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG AND IT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          TRY TO GET IT AS BEST AS WE CAN. 
          READY TO HIT THE SAFETY POINTS IN AS KIND OF A SEGUE INTO THE SAFETY SIDE. 
          AND I THINK YOU HIT THE TREES IF YOU WANNA, UH, HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE TREE ASSESSMENT AS WELL. 
          NOPE. 
          I THINK, YEAH, WE GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL BLOW THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          VICKY, YOU MIGHT WANNA STAY UP HERE. 
          UH, I ASKED DICK TO PULL THIS TOGETHER, 
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UH, RIGHT END OF LAST WEEK. 
          UH, THIS IS SORT OF A COMPILATION OF FACTORS THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS THAT AFFECT EACH OF THESE ALTERNATES. 
          NOW, UH, THESE FACTORS ARE JUST DERIVED FROM NATIONAL HIGHWAY , DISTRACTED DRIVING, IMPAIRED DRIVING, RECKLESS DRIVING FAILURE GEAR, RUNNING, RUNNING RED LIGHTS. 
          I'M SPEAKING VERY FAST 'CAUSE I WANT TO GET THROUGH THESE VERY QUICKLY. 
          THESE ARE JUST, UH, THE STANDARD FACTORS THAT AFFECT SAFETY. 
          SO WE, WE KNOW THESE VERY WELL. 
          IF WE LEAVE THE ROAD AS IS JUST RETAINING THE EXISTING. 
          THIS IS SORT OF A NO BUILD OPTION. 
          UH, JUST MAINTAINS THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, LEAVES IT LIKE IT IS, IT'S A NARROW ROADWAY. 
          LIMITED WIDTH INCREASES RISK OF, UH, ACCIDENTS DUE TO DISTRACTED DRIVING, SPEEDING VEHICLE MAINTENANCE ISSUES REDUCE MANEUVERABILITY AND IT'S COMPLICATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO PULL PEOPLE OVER. 
          ROADWAY HAZARDS INCLUDE VEERING OFF. 
          IF YOU VEER OFF, YOU WOULD'VE THE STONE WALL, THE TREES, POTENTIAL POTHOLES, UH, ESPECIALLY IN POOR WEATHER, TRAFFIC GROWTH, UH, THIS ARTERIAL ROADWAY. 
          AND IT'S BEING USED AS SUCH, AS I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, NO MATTER WHAT WE CALL IT, IT FUNCTIONS AS AN ARTERIAL. 
          SO WE DO HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC VOLUME HERE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER DONAHUE HAS POINTED OUT THAT THE WHOLE HOLT ROAD IS NOW OPEN AND WE EXPECT VOLUMES TO GO UP THERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? AM I'M NOT SAYING THAT CORRECT. 
          UH, SCHOOLS BACK IN PLAY, AS WE GET FURTHER AWAY FROM COVID, ALL THESE THINGS AFFECT THE VOLUMES. 
          SO IT'S JUST LEAVING IT AS IT IS, UH, IS JUST, WE DON'T FEEL IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SAFETY ENFORCEMENT, JUST, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THE ROAD AS IT IS. 
          SO IF WE LEFT IT AS IT IS, BUT ENHANCE THE ROADWAY A LITTLE BIT, IT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, ROAD RESURFACING, ADDING NEW SIGNAGE, SOME PEDESTRIAN CROSSING , BUT STILL ESSENTIALLY LEANING, LEAVING THE OLD ROAD BED AND EVERYTHING AS IT IS. 
          IT'S STILL NARROW. 
          THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN FOR BIKE ACCESS. 
          ESSENTIALLY. 
          THERE'S THE HAZARDS REMAIN, UH, THE MITIGATION COULD BE IMPROVED SIGNAGE AND ROAD MARKINGS AND, UM, THAT KIND OF DISTRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE ROADWAY AS DICK HAS POINTED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE OTHER THING TOO. 
          YES, DEREK, IF, IF, IF THE, GOING BACK TO THAT EARLIER QUESTION AGAIN OF JUST WIDENING THE EXISTING ROADWAY, IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE FROM AN EQUIPMENT PERSPECTIVE AS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, I COULD ASSUME YOU COULD STILL BE DIG DIGGING INTO TREE ROOTS. 
          YES SIR. 
          YOU COULD STILL HAVE, UH, UH, SPACE ISSUES WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT NEAR THE WALL AND DAMAGING THE WALL. 
          RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND YOU DON'T ADDRESS STORM DRAIN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LOGISTICAL ASPECTS IN ADDITION TO SOME SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          YEAH, GREAT POINT. 
          UH, SO ALTERNATE A, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTING THE TWO NEW LANES, REPURPOSING THE CURRENT ROADWAY AS A PEDESTRIAN PATH. 
          UH, SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          WE STILL HAVE A BIT OF DRIVER PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT REGARDING FAILURE TO YIELD THE VEHICLES EXITING THE SOUTH SIDE DRIVEWAYS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT TO CREATE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND TO MITIGATE THAT, UH, TO, TO MITIGATE DISTRACTED DRIVING. 
          WE ARE SEPARATING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FROM THE PEDESTRIAN PATH, WHICH ENHANCES DRIVER FOCUS REGARDING SPEEDING THE WIDER LANES AND IMPROVED DESIGN, FACILITATE A SAFER SPEED ENFORCEMENT ENVIRONMENT AND FOR POOR WEATHER CONDITIONS. 
          UH, AND THE LIKE, JUST TO CLEAR EDGE LINES, PROPER ROAD DESIGN AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY FOR ALTERNATE B UH, USING OLD SMYRNA ROAD AS AN EASTBOUND LANE. 
          SAFETY CONCERNS ARE CONSTRUCTION PHASE RISK. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A SEVERE INCONVENIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE AND, UH, ADDED COST OF CONSTRUCTION TO KEEP ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS DURING, DURING, DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THE ROADWAY WOULD BE CLOSED ESSENTIALLY FOR UP TO NINE MONTHS OR MORE, DEPENDING ON HOW CONSTRUCTION GOES. 
          STILL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH NOW IT'S ONE LANE, UH, WITH THE ARTERIAL ROAD SPEEDS AND THE ARTERIAL ROAD VOLUMES THAT WOULD REMAIN ON THE EASTBOUND LANE, UH, STILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR DRIVERS TO VEER OFF AND COLLIDE WITH THE STONE WALLS AND TREES. 
          LIMITED ROAD WIDTH EXACERBATES VEHICLE MAINTENANCE ISSUES. 
          LET'S C ALTERNATE C UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE THIS IS, UH, CONVERTING THAT TO SORT 
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OF A FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE, AS MENTIONED, DRIVER PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT VEHICLES EXITING THE SOUTH SIDE DRIVEWAYS, UH, STILL HAVE TO CROSS, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATH TO GET ONTO THE NEW TWO LANE ROAD THERE TO THE NORTH. 
          AND, UH, THE LOW VOLUME OF THIS FRONTAGE ROAD REDUCES THE RISK, BUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS REMAIN THE SAME AND SAME AND HAVE THE ONE LANE TRAFFIC TO REDUCE THE COMPLEXITY TO THE, ON THAT ROAD REDUCED THE SPEED. 
          UH, SOME OF THE MITIGATION WOULD BE WE ARE DISTR UH, MITIGATING DISTRACTED DRIVING BECAUSE WE'RE SEPARATING THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC, UH, SHOULD BE IMPROVED IN THE ASPECT OF SPEEDING FOR THE SAME REASONS MENTIONED AND ALSO FOR POOR WEATHER. 
          SO, UH, THAT KIND OF SUMS IT UP. 
          THERE IS A BIT OF, UH, FOR BOTH B AND C, WHAT THE, UH, ONE WAY TRAFFIC ON THAT EASTBOUND LANE CONVERTING ROADS TO ONE WAY TRAFFIC MAY LEAD TO DRIVER ERRORS WHILE I'M USED TO TURNING THIS WAY OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY AND NOW I CAN'T. 
          AND THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR EACH OF THOSE NEEDED TO GUIDE DRIVERS. 
          SO, SO DEREK? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOING BACK TO THAT, I WANNA BURN THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A GOOD JOB OF LISTING WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND, AND TO MITIGATE AND WE KNOW MITIGATE MEANS TO LESSEN THE IMPACT. 
          REMEDIATE MEANS TO ELIMINATE THE IMPACT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT, IT, THAT WILL RAISE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, LAY PERSON WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF EACH ONE, BUT WHICH ONE'S THE SAFEST OR THE LEAST SAFE? SO I WOULD THINK IN THE PRESENTATION, THINKING ABOUT HOW TO HONE THAT IN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS A, I THINK, I THINK I INTERPRETED A WAS THE MOST SAFE. 
          I DON'T IF I MAY BE INCORRECT, BUT SOMEHOW HONING THAT IN BECAUSE OTHERWISE EVERYONE WILL BE LISTENING AND TRYING TO ADD IT AND SUBTRACT AND FIGURE THAT IN THEIR OWN MIND. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO WE NEED TO TRY TO BRING 'EM THERE. 
          HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE IN THAT PRESENTATION I THINK. 
          SO I'LL DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE, ONE, JUST ONE EXTRA STEP THERE. 
          YEP. 
          THAT THAT'S GOOD. 
          DICKY, IF WE COULD HELP YOU MOVE THAT FOR SURE. 
          A AND C ARE PRETTY SIMILAR, DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE, YEAH, IT'S JUST LIKE THE COST. 
          THEY'RE, IT'S DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY EQUAL. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WERE YOU RAISING YOUR HAND? I'M SORRY. 
          YOU SEE? OH YEAH. 
          UH, THE ROADWAY LIGHTING. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE AT NIGHTTIME. 
          WHAT'S THE ROAD? WHAT'S THAT SITUATION? SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW ROADWAY LIGHTS WITH THIS JUST TO, AGAIN, SO THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL INVASIVE FEATURES TO THE ROADWAY. 
          WE COULD IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO, BUT, UH, THE, THE AREA IS MORE LIT NOW THAN IT USED TO BE AND WILL BECOME MUCH MORE SO WHEN HARLAN AND CELLO, JUST BY AMBIENT LIGHT FROM THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          IT'S, BUT IT, AND IT HAS SOME LIGHTING. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO WHERE IT'S PITCH DARK AT NIGHT. 
          UH, SO RUNNING YEAH. 
          BUT IT DECORATIVE LANTERN LIGHTS. 
          IT'S A DARK AREA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE STREET LIGHTS AND YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, UH, SO THE CONCERN, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER PIPPEN PRIOR WAS THE ADDITION OF LIGHTING FOR ALTERNATE A ON THE OLD ROADWAY WOULD INVITE PEOPLE TO USE THAT AT NIGHT. 
          AT NIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS A A, A FOCUS WAS TO DISCOURAGE THAT FROM, FROM THE, FROM OUR LAST DIRECTION THAT WE HAD. 
          SURE. 
          SO THERE'S, YOU LOSE SOME OF THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          I THINK IF YOU PUT THE LIGHTING IN, EVEN THOUGH AS SUBDIVISIONS ARE BUILT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE LIGHTING OVER THERE. 
          SO THERE'S NO LIGHTING EVEN IN ALONG THE NEW LANES, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HUGE NES POLLS ALONG THERE. 
          WE COULD ADD, WE COULD ADD LIGHTS IF MM-HMM . 
          IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. 
          BUT AGAIN, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE GOT FROM OUR LAST UH, MEETINGS WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTS WE THINK THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD WANT AT DON'T THINK SO. 
          CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND, BUT IS THERE A, IS THERE A ROADWAY STANDARD? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD MAYOR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          MAYOR. 
          IS THAT AND YES. 
          OR I SAW A DOCUMENT AS MTEI COULD BE WRONG. 
          IS MPE POLLS THERE, YOU KNOW, ANY YES. 
          YOU KNOW, AS, AS FAR AS A LIGHTING STANDARD, THERE IS IF YOU LIGHT, IF YOU LIGHT, IF YOU LIGHT AND THEN THERE'S A STANDARD AND, UH, IF THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO LIGHT, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO LIGHT. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THE TWO ROADWAYS, AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SIGN, BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE TWO ROADWAYS ON A AND C, ARE THE LANES THE SAME WIDTH IN BOTH OF THOSE? THE, THE LANES ARE THE SAME WIDTH ON A, YOU HAVE SHOULDERS ON BOTH SIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          MORE LIKE A RURAL ROAD. 
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ON C WE HAD TO PUT THE PED TRAIL UP ON THE ROAD. 
          SO WE HAVE A CURB AND GUTTER ON ONE SIDE WITH THE RAISED PED TRAIL THAT'S SEPARATED BY A GRASS STRIP, KIND OF LIKE ON THE EXISTING ROADS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A DITCH ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WITH THE FOUR FOOT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          JUST WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU AFTER THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING. 
          THANK YOU DICKIE AND JULIE FOR COMPREHENSIVE, VERY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE REPORT. 
          AND ERIC, ALL YOUR WORK, I KNOW APPRECIATE YOUR TIME OF WORKING WHOLE STAFF, BUT ALSO WANNA APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THE DISCO THING BECAUSE I THOUGHT I'D MISSED IT. 
          WAS NATIONAL CABERNET SAUVIGNON DAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I'M DRESSED FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S A SUBTLE CELEBRATION, DEREK. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, QUICK QUESTION. 
          DO I HAVE, DO I HAVE THE REST OF YOU UNTIL 11? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THE SIGNAGE. 
          WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER DUNN TO COME BACK. 
          I THINK SHE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT, BUT WE'LL ADDRESS THE, SO LET ME, UH, GO BACK HERE. 
          NOT THAT IT GRAPHICALLY MATTERS TOO MUCH HERE, BUT, UH, OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE BRENTWOOD 2030 PLAN. 
          SO, UH, AS, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK ALL OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO 2030 . 
          AND SO, UH, RIGHT NOW IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE, YOU HAVE $75,000 THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN 2027 TO UPDATE THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AND SO, UH, I THINK WITHOUT QUESTION FOR SURE, THE FIRST HALF OF THAT YEAR IS GONNA BE A PRETTY BUSY YEAR, PERHAPS FOR SOME OF YOU. 
          UM, AND MAYBE DISTRACTING, MAYBE DISTRACTING TIMEFRAME. 
          SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THE QUESTION UP THEN IS, IS WE COULD MOVE THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S NOT IN 2027, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR LONG PROCESS. 
          PROBABLY ONCE YOU'RE, ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO START, DO ALL YOUR ENGAGEMENT AND GET TO A FINALIZED PLAN. 
          AND I THINK RIGHT OR WRONG, THERE'S A PRESUMPTION AT LEAST THAT ANY CHANGES WOULD BE PROBABLY PRETTY INCREMENTAL TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. 
          THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE THE GUESS AT THIS STAGE. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU HAVE A COUPLE CHOICES. 
          THREE, ONE IS, WE COULD LEAVE IT IN 2027. 
          ANOTHER IS YOU COULD MOVE IT OUT TO 2028 OR COULD MOVE IT TO 2026. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW. 
          IF WE MOVE IT TO 2026 AND YOU SAY, JASON, WE THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, THEN I CAN GET STAFF WORKING ON THE, THE CONSULTANT SELECTION PROCESS AND ALL THE PRELIMINARY LOGISTICS TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO GET EDGING CLOSER TO THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, WHICH COULD GET US READY TO GO SAY JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY OF, OF 2026. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M BRINGING THE QUESTION UP AFTER LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, IS IT, IS 27 REALLY WHERE YOU THINK YOU WANT IT OR WOULD YOU RATHER MOVE IT? AND, UH, AND PRESUMABLY POSSIBLY ACCELERATE VERSUS TO WAIT. 
          SO I I REALLY JUST OPENED THAT UP. 
          WE CAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE CAN DO IT IN WHICHEVER YEAR YOU'D PREFER, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, SO REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT PERSONALLY, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, ESPECIALLY THE LAST THREE YEARS IS I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MOVE IT UP BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVISITED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. 
          BUT WE HAD OTHER THINGS GOING ON. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE ARE ALMOST A 2030, AND THIS IS A KIND OF A TEMPLATE FOR US TO USE. 
          IT'S NOT A FIRM TEMPLATE, BUT IT'S A TEMPLATE FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS AND OUR CITIZENS DO REFER TO IT AND THEY HAVE FOR YEARS THE 2000 PLAN, 2020, ALL THAT. 
          SO IF WE'RE TALKING OF MAKING IT THE 2040 PLAN, I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO, TO BE MUCH OF A TEMPLATE. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          UH, I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY'S VERY ENGAGED RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, UH, MY SENSE IS THAT FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE, THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY DRASTIC CHANGES TO WHAT BRENTWOOD WANTS TO KEEP BRENTWOOD, BRENTWOOD. 
          BUT THE, UM, I, THAT'S MY, JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK PUSHING IT OUT, ESPECIALLY THE 28, THEN WE NEED TO PROBABLY START TALKING ABOUT A 2050 PLAN. 
          SO, WELL, LIKE I SAID, RAY, UM, WITH A, WITH NEW CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL NEW COMMISSIONERS, IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR US TO REALLY HEAR BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          AND REALLY THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT'S DESIGNED TO, IS DESIGNED TO BRING IN A, A WIDE RANGE OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK AS A CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TIME TO DO IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND TO MAKE SURE WE'VE REALLY GOT OUR, OUR EAR TO THE GROUND. 
          AGREED. 
          I, I THINK 
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ALSO, UM, THE, THE PACE HAS CHANGED IN BRENTWOOD MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S A GOOD THING. 
          BUT YOU THINK HOW SUBDIVISIONS HAVE CHANGED JUST IN THE FEW YEARS AND, AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES I THINK IT KIND ACCELERATES A NEED. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A SMALL PROJECT AND I'D RATHER NOT CUT IT SHORT. 
          I'D RATHER GO AHEAD. 
          'CAUSE IT IS A GOOD PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS DON'T DO IT. 
          AND THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT SAY, DO IT IN MY BOOK. 
          SO I I THINK WE OUGHT TO MOVE IT UP AND DO IT TOO. 
          IT DOESN'T, THE STAFF, IT DOESN'T PUT A HUGE BURDEN TO MOVE IT UP. 
          IT'LL ADD, IT'LL ADD TO THE WORK OF OUR STAFF. 
          WE, I I SEE TODD, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD POSITION FROM A WORKLOAD RIGHT NOW. 
          IF WE WANT TO TAKE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UH, WE HAVE A VACANCY OR TWO, WE MAY NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET FILLED TO HELP US WITH IT. 
          WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE KIND OF PLAN FOR THIS, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU, IF YOU THINK, YEAH, 2026 MAKES SENSE, UH, WE'LL START WORKING TOWARDS THAT. 
          THERE'LL BE A COUPLE BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS THAT'LL LIKELY HAVE TO BE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU TO MAKE THE FORMAL ADJUSTMENT. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN GET THOSE, UH, PUT TOGETHER AND BEGIN THINKING ABOUT THE CONSULTANT PROCESS AND, UH, TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE LOGISTICS IN THIS LAST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO IT COULD BE LATER 2026 TOO. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. 
          IT COULD BE, IF IT TAKES A YEAR, IT'D PROBABLY BE NICE TO BE IN AND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOOKENDS OF THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE YEAR, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BUT UH, THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET STARTED IN JANUARY AND TRY TO GET, GET YOU DONE, I DON'T KNOW, BY BEFORE THANKSGIVING OR FOR SURE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW THE, THE PACE IS AND WHAT THE SCOPE LOOKS LIKE, BUT MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE ALLOCATION STAYS THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT YEAR PUT IT IN? WELL, IT DOES NOW. 
          INITIALLY IT DOES. 
          WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER IN, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THAT NUMBER LOOKS TO BE STILL CORRECT. 
          IF NOT, WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST IT, BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE IT. 
          IT'S THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. 
          BUT IF IT DOES, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO SEE YOU LOOK AT THAT. 
          I SAVED YOU 10 MINUTES  LUNCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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