TO GET 'EM OFFICIALLY STARTED.
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THAT'S A GOOD THING.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing July 24, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the July 28th Agenda, the items below will be discussed: Racquet facility design pause update Wilson Pike water line project staging area update Veterans Monument site selection and process expectations Facade Standards for the Maryland Farms area This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
UH, WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE LEADER LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD PRESENTATIONS AS WELL, SO THAT'LL BE ON YOUR AGENDA.I I KNOW THOSE ARE IN THE PRESENTATIONS.
SOMETHING WE GO THROUGH HERE OR, OR NOT JUST TO DO IT THERE.
SO PROBABLY JUST GOT 'EM READY.
GETTING INTO THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE'LL START OFF WITH, UM, AN AGREEMENT WITH OCLC FOR CATALOGING AND METADATA SUBSCRIPTION FOR LIBRARY.
AND THIS IS, UH, USE LONG, LONG WORDS FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BUT IN ESSENCE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT WE USE FOR OUR CATALOGING, AND IT'S AN ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION FOR THAT.
UH, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR, UH, LIBRARIES TO INTERCONNECT AND NETWORK ACROSS AND HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR, UM, THEIR CATALOG ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UM, THE COST FOR THE COMBINED SERVICE, IT'S MULTIPLE SERVICES.
UH, THERE'S ALSO AN APP AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
UH, AND SO THE TOTAL COST IS $36,921 AND 28 CENTS.
'CAUSE THE LIBRARY ALMOST PAID FOR IT THIS WEEKEND WITH THE BOOK SALE.
SO, UH, JUST, IT IS JUST ANOTHER GREAT JOB BY THE, BY THE LIBRARY.
WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB SUBDIVISION.
IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'LL GO THROUGH THIS AND I'LL, IF I, UH, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT REAL COMPLICATED, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF SHIFTING IN THIS.
AND SO THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR.
BUT THE REQUEST IS, UH, IS TO, WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND ON THIS.
WHAT THE REQUEST IS TO DO IS TO TAKE A, A LOT THAT USED TO BE A LOT SHIFTED TO OPEN SPACE, AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING IT TO BE A BUILDABLE LOT AGAIN, IN ESSENCE, THAT'S THE REQUEST.
UH, IT'S A REQUEST FROM REAGAN SMITH ASSOCIATES AND, UH, IT'S APPROVED OF REVISED PRELIMINARY, UH, PLAN TO CONVERT THAT OPEN SPACE AREA FORMERLY LOT 3 89 TO A BUILDABLE LOT AGAIN.
SO IT WAS, ONCE IT SHIFTED OUT AND IT CAME BACK IN.
AND SO, UH, 3 89 WAS ADDRESSED, UH, AS OPEN SPACE BACK ON IN 2005.
IT WAS CONVERTED FROM A, A BUILDABLE LOT BACK TO OPEN SPACE.
THE REASON IS, IS THERE WAS ANOTHER LOT, 3 0 3, UH, THAT THEY ADDED OPEN SPACE.
THEY, THEY RECONFIGURED IT AND ADDED OPEN SPACE.
SO BECAUSE THEY ADDED OPEN SPACE, THEY DID A TRADE OFF AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE'LL TAKE 3 89 AND MAKE IT OPEN SPACE RIGHT TO OFFSET IT.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, WE DON'T BELIEVE BASED ON THAT, BUT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
AND SO THAT WAS ALL APPROVED IN 2005 AND THAT WAS FINE.
SO THERE WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL PLACED ON THAT PROJECT STATING THAT THE LOSS OF LOT 3 89 WILL NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB SUBDIVISION TO GAIN ADDITIONAL LOTS AT A FUTURE DATE.
AND, UH, IT STAFF'S INTERPRETATION THAT THE INTENT OF THAT CONDITION WAS TO LIMIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOSS TO 433 OR FEWER.
SO THAT 4 33 NUMBER IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR 438.
SO, SO IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR 38, NOW THEY'VE DONE SOME LOT, UH, UH, COM COMBINATIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE IN THE PAST.
SO 4 33 IS OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN 4 38.
UH, SO, UH, OVER TIME THAT NUMBER HAS COME DOWN FROM THE 4 38 THAT WAS, UH, INITIALLY APPROVED.
UM, AND SO THE, THE REQUEST OBVIOUSLY IS TO TAKE THAT LOT 3 89.
AND LET ME, LET ME GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOU TO THE MAP HERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE LARGER SUBDIVISION AND THIS IS A BETTER PICTURE.
AND, UH, RIGHT HERE ON THE CROCKETT SIDE, UH, ROADWAY YOU CAN SEE IN RED OR IN GREEN.
UM, THAT'S THE LOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'LL ZOOM ON INTO THAT FOR YOU.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LOT 3 89.
AND SO AGAIN, IT WAS ONCE A BUILDABLE LOT.
THERE WAS A TRADE OFF WITH ANOTHER LOT, SO IT BECAME OPEN SPACE.
NOW THEY WISH TO HAVE IT BE A BUILDABLE LOT AGAIN.
AND SO, UM, THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING STAFF SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THIS.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
UH, IF THAT COMES BACK TO BE A BUILDABLE LOT, IT'S THE, THE NUMBER OF BUILDABLE LOTS STILL DOES NOT EXCEED THE ORIGINAL NUMBER OF APPROVED LOTS.
SO WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS A TOTAL NUMBER.
UH, NOR DOES IT EXCEED, UH, UH, THE TOTAL THAT EXISTED IN 2005.
SO IN 2005, WE MENTIONED THE 4 33 NUMBER DOESN'T GET YOU UP TO THAT EITHER.
UM, AND THAT'S WHEN IT WAS CONVERTED, UH, INTO OPEN SPACE.
UH, IT, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, 20.8 ACRES IS STILL MET.
SO THERE'S TWO, THE TWO MAIN ISSUES ON THIS IS ONE, THEY STILL HAVE ALL THE OPEN SPACE THAT WAS
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REQUIRED OF THEM INITIALLY, AND THEY DO NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS.AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVEN WITH THIS, THE TOTAL NUMBER IS STILL LESS THAN ORIGINALLY APPROVED AND LESS THAN A NUMBER THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN 2005.
SO THOSE ARE TWO KEY ITEMS HERE.
UM, AT THE, UH, JULY 7TH MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THIS.
THEY APPROVED IT WITH A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS FOR THE SUBDIVISION NOT EXCEED 4 27.
SO AGAIN, 4 38 WAS THE INITIAL, ORIGINAL TOTAL.
THE ONLY THING BETTER THAN GET OUT BASED ON THIS CONDITION, THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO, UM, 4 27.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIT OF A TRADE OFF TO OUT SOME FLEXIBILITY.
AND THEY DISCUSSED THAT IN SOME DETAIL.
THE OTHER IS, IS THAT THEY, UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED FAVORABLE AUTHORIZATION.
UH, WELL, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, ON, LET ME GET TO THAT.
THEY, THEY WANTED TO GET SOME, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION AND, AND HOPEFULLY SUPPORT FROM THE LOTS SURROUNDING.
THERE'S ABOUT FIVE LOTS SURROUNDING RIGHT NOW, BASED ON MY NOTES.
AND THEN TODD CAN UPDATE ME IF I'M OFF ON THIS.
BUT WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE OF THE FIVE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT.
NOW, GENERALLY THAT'S NOT A TECHNICAL FACTOR THAT YOU DEAL WITH, RIGHT? IT'S, BUT IT IS ALWAYS PROBABLY GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK.
BUT IT'S NOT A TECHNICAL, UH, REVIEW FACTOR, BUT THAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DATE IS TODD, IS THERE ANY OTHER UPDATE ON THAT NUMBER? IS THREE OUT OF FIVE THAT WE, WE HAVE THREE OUT OF FIVE.
ANY ROOM AT 23 SAWGRASS LANE? YEAH, WE DO, UH, WE HAVE 20 THREES.
WE, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE, UM, COMMUNICATION FROM FIVE MEDALIST COURT OR WAS IT 21 SAWGRASS? 21 SAWGRASS.
SO FIVE MEDALISTS DID NOT YEAH.
NEITHER DID 21 SAWGRASS, BUT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR THAT SHARES A PROPERTY, MR. HALL.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYONE TERRIBLY CLOSE, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
ANYWAY, SO JASON, YES, YOU DID.
YOU DIDN'T MENTION THE OVERALL SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE OSRD AND THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB.
I'M GUESSING THAT THIS DOESN'T IMPACT THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, SPACE REQUIREMENT.
RIGHT? 20.8 ACRES EXCESS, SO EXCESS RATIO.
AND SO THEY'RE WELL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE THIS ONE HAS JUST A FEW MOVING PARTS.
IT'S WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY COMPLICATED, BUT IT DOES HAVE MOVING PARTS AND HISTORY, SO THAT MAKES IT FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, WHERE IS LOT 3 0 3? 'CAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE TOO SMALL FOR ME TO SEE.
I SAW IT LAST NIGHT ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I CAN'T SEE TODD, DO YOU KNOW, I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU ON THAT ONE.
WELL, ORIGINALLY I HAD THAT, THAT PLAT IN THERE.
UM, JUST, WHICH, WHICH SECTION IS IT IN? THAT'S OFF ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, WELL, RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN IT'S THE TOP LEFT, RIGHT? I DON'T RECALL.
JEFF, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT SECTION? 3 0 3 0 3 0 3.
NO, NO, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, ONE 2005.
YEAH, I CAN ADD THOSE SLIDES TO THE POWERPOINT AND I JUST WONDERED IF IT WAS NEAR THERE OR IF IT'S NO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WONDERED WHERE THAT GREEN SPACE, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT GREEN SPACE WAS GONNA SHOW UP.
IT WAS JUST ANOTHER AREA, THE SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE, UH, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED AN AGREEMENT WITH MIMECAST FOR EMAIL SECURITY SOFTWARE.
THIS ONE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
WE HAD MIMECAST IN FRONT OF YOU JUST RECENTLY.
UH, AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, UH, AND AFTER YOU PROVED THE ORIGINAL, UH, AGREEMENT FOR THAT, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN SOME OF THEIR NARRATIVE TERMS, NO COST ISSUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS JUST BASICALLY IS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM TO UPDATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NARRATIVE TERMS ARE THE SAME AS THEIR NARRATIVE TERMS THAT THEY WANT THEM TO BE NO CONSEQUENCE TO THOSE TERMS. SO THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPROVAL TO PURCHASE OUR FLEX PHONE PLAN.
UH, CUBE LICENSING, SO IS A, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S AN ANNUAL TYPE THING.
UH, THIS IS REALLY, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE OUR PHONE SYSTEM MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, LICENSING AND SO FORTH.
UH, THE FLEX PLAN, WHAT IT DOES IS IT LOCKS IN THE COST TO, UH, $25,418 AND 40 CENTS ANNUALLY FOR THREE YEARS.
SO THE TOTAL, UH, OVER THE THREE YEARS IS $76,255 AND 20 CENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO SOME EQUIPMENT VEHICLE PURCHASES.
UH, THIS IS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S THE PURCHASE UTILITY, UH, TASK VEHICLE.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF ENVISION IT AS SORT OF LIKE
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WHAT THEY CALL SIDE BYSIDE.UH, IT'S FROM, UH, UH, COLUMBIA POWER SPORTS.
UH, WE HAVE ONE ON LOAN ALREADY, UH, FROM THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR NEEDS.
UM, AND BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH ACCESSING ROADWAYS AND PERSONNEL TRANSPORT.
AND PRIMARILY THE NEED FOR THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TRAILS.
AND PARTICULARLY IN SMITH PARK.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS ALL THE TRAILS AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, SPACE FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED IF WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, MEDICAL SITUATION, AND EVEN BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT PERSONNEL POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET VEHICLES, UH, FULL SIZED VEHICLES IN THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REALLY FOR.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, AND INSTEAD OF USING A LOANER, WE WOULD HAVE OUR OWN TO DO THAT.
UH, IT IS, UH, IN CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND, UH, COST IS 40,000, $47,000, $47,006 AND 39 CENTS.
UH, FORD F THREE 50 TRUCK FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS A PURCHASE, UM, FOR THE PICKUP.
IT'S A FOUR BY FOUR, UH, FROM FORD OF MURFREESBORO.
UH, IT'S USED TO TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT, TOW VARIOUS TRAILERS.
THAT WILL BECOME OUR NEXT BRUSH TRUCK.
UH, COST IS, UH, 50,117, WHICH IS UNDER THE, UH, BUDGET AMOUNT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDED 56,500.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
UH, ITEM SEVEN, PURCHASE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE.
AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS TURNOUT GEAR.
SO THIS IS THE GEAR THAT YOU SEE WHEN THEY GO IN RESPONSES TO FIRE AND RESCUE SITUATIONS.
UH, IT'S 12 SETS OF TURNOUT GEAR.
UH, UH, THERE'S A 10 YEAR LIFESPAN THAT'S, UH, SET BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION, UH, ADMINISTRATION.
UM, WE DO TRY, TYPICALLY TRY TO PURCHASE, PURCHASE, UH, AHEAD OF THAT LIFESPAN SO THAT IT PROVIDES A BACKUP, UH, SET OF GEAR IN CASE PERHAPS YOU'VE GONE OUT, THEY'VE GONE OUT A CALL, GEAR'S GETTING CLEANED, AND THEN THEY NEED TO HAVE GEAR AVAILABLE.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE COAT OF PANTS ONLY DOES INCLUDE BOOTS OR HELMETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, THE PURCHASE IS MADE UNDER THE, UH, HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL PURCHASING COOPERATIVE.
THE TOTAL COST IS 4,170 PER SET FOR THE 12 SIP.
THAT'S NOT TOTAL THE INDIVIDUAL COST.
4,001 70 FOR THE INDIVIDUAL SETS.
WOULD YOU MIND? THAT REMINDS ME, PLEASE DON'T USE THE RESTROOMS OUT HERE,
THE FACT THAT THERE'S A SIGN SHOULDN'T A PROBLEM.
THEY'RE AIRY AND YOU'LL BE EMBARRASSED IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE TWO TRAFFIC DETECTION CAMERA SYSTEMS. THESE ARE THE CAMERAS THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR SIGNALS, SEE THE TRAFFIC, CHANGE THE SIGNALS.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, USED AUTO SCOPE VISION FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL DETECTION CAMERAS IN OUR SYSTEM, UH, FOR A WHILE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ANOTHER NETWORK.
UH, SO WE HAVE ESTABLISHED HISTORY OF MAINTENANCE OPERATION PROGRAMMING, SO FORTH.
SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THESE.
THEY'RE COMPATIBLE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH OUR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, WHICH THEY NEED TO BE.
UH, THERE'S REMOTE CAPABILITY AS WELL FOR PROGRAMMING ANY ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO HAVE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE ON SITE FOR THAT AS WELL.
UH, THEY COME WITH, UH, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS GRAPHENE CAPACITORS AND CHARGERS.
NOW THE SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF THAT, OR DEFINITIONS, THAT'S THE POWER BEHIND THESE.
AND SO THEY REPLACE THE EXISTING SIX BATTERY SYSTEM.
THE BEAUTY IS ON THOSE, IS THOSE ARE MORE RELIABLE AND THEY HAVE A 10 YEAR LIFE COMPARED TO A TWO YEAR LIFE OF THE EXISTING BATTERIES.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S BETTER FOR THE POWER SIDE, THAT SOUTHERN LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC SYSTEMS IS THE ONLY AUTHORIZED PROVIDER OF THE AUTO SCOPE CAMERAS, UH, FOR SIT FOR THE STATE OF TENNESSEE.
SO THIS WOULD, UH, BE A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR PURCHASE OF THE EQUIPMENT AS A, AS A SINGLE SOURCE PROPRIETARY PURCHASE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? WHERE WHERE ARE THESE COMPARED TO THE CAMERAS? AND THESE ARE THE SYSTEMS AND THE OTHER ONES ARE CAMERAS OR THESE ARE TWO SPECIAL ONES.
THE NEXT ONE ARE JUST THE CAMERAS.
YOU SEE THE VIDEO OF THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY TRIGGER THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEMS AND, AND THEY ARE OUT ON TWO POLES, TWO SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS, OR ARE THEY SOMEWHERE ELSE? OH, THEY WOULD BE ON INTERSECTIONS, UH, DALE KNOWLEDGE.
SO IT'S, SO WHAT IT IS, IT'S REPLACING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING NEW CORD.
AND MARTIN, SO THE ACRONYM THAT YOU'LL HEAR VERY OFTEN WITH HIM IS EOL.
SO THE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE IS THE END OF LIFE.
IT'S BASICALLY HOW TECHNOLOGY WORKS.
SO, UH, IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE OTHER ONES, SO THE, THE BATTERY BACKUPS ARE ACTUALLY WHAT ARE IN THE TRAFFIC CABINETS.
UM, INSTEAD OF SIX LARGE BATTERIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS THE BATTERY FAILS, IT'LL ALSO RIGHT PRODUCE, UM, ACID THAT WILL COME OUT THE TOP RIGHT.
THESE CAPACITORS DON'T DO THAT.
SOMETIMES THAT ACID EATS UP OTHER THINGS IN THE CABINET.
SO, SO THESE ARE IN TWO CABINETS SOMEWHERE IN, AT INTERSECTION IN THE CITY.
SO THERE'S THREE YEAR GRAPHING CAPACITORS WOULD BE IN CABINETS.
THE TWO, UM, SY THE SYSTEMS ARE ACTUALLY FOUR CAMERAS PER
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SYSTEM.SO IT WILL REPLACE EIGHT CAMERAS AROUND ON EXISTING MA ARMS THAT SIT ON WHEN YOU'RE AT THE STOP LINE.
ONE FOR EACH LEG AT AN INTERSECTION, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM ARE JUST THE TYPICAL TRAFFIC MONITORING CAMERAS.
UH, THAT, UH, YOU CAN GO INTO OUR INTERNET AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THOSE ARE SHOWING, THOSE ALLOW SOME MONITOR THE ACTIVITY.
THOSE ARE, THEY WERE PURCHASING 20 PROTONIX ACCESS PTZ TRAFFIC CAMERAS.
UM, OF COURSE YOU, YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE USED.
THEY'RE USED BY DISPATCH, USED BY TRAFFIC DIVISION.
THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THOSE AS WELL.
UH, THEY'RE AGAIN, A REPLACEMENT FOR OLDER UNITS IN OUR NETWORK.
UH, PROTON PRONIC IS A PROPRIETARY BRAND.
SO IN ESSENCE, THIS IS A, ESSENTIALLY A SOLE SOURCE AS WELL.
IT'S IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND BUDGET FOR $56,685.
JUST TO COMMENT ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
UM, YESTERDAY I WENT GOING DOWN CONCORD ROAD TO GET ON I 65 SOUTH AND THE SHIELDING AROUND THE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT HAD COME LOOSE AND IT WAS FLAPPING AND I CALLED DALE AND TOLD HIM THE RESULTS.
BUT ANYWAY, I CALLED MARK YATES, YOU TALK ABOUT A GUY WHO'S RESPONSIVE.
BY THE TIME I CAME BACK IT WAS FIXED, BUT MY POINT IN CALLING HIM AND HE SAID, IF YOU GUYS SEE ANYTHING, HE SAID CALL LIKE THAT MM-HMM
BECAUSE HE GOT IT BEFORE IT GOT DESTROYED AND RIPPED OFF AND HE WOULD'VE HAD TO REPLACE IT.
BUT I MEAN, THE GUY WAS OUT THERE WITHIN MINUTES IT SEEMED LIKE, AND DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
AGAIN, SHARED THAT WITH DALE, BUT WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU'ALL.
OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM 10, UH, APPROVAL TO PURCHASE A STREET SWEEPER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS AN ELGIN REGION, UH, X STREET SWEEPER FROM THE SAND SUM EQUIPMENT COMPANY.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, UH, THE LAST STREET SWEEPER WE PURCHASED WAS A FREIGHTLINER ELGIN CROSSWIND, AND IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN 21 AND IT WAS A SLIGHTLY USED LOW HOURS UNIT, UH, FOR ABOUT $287,000.
UH, IT HAD A, AFTER FIVE YEARS, A GUARANTEED BUYBACK OF 73,265.
SO IT GIVES YOU A BIT OF AN IDEA HOW THE DEPRECIATION VALUE OF STREET SWEEPERS, 'CAUSE THEY GET USED PRETTY HEAVILY, UM, ALSO HAD AN EXTENDED WARRANTY AND PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN.
THE UNITS PERFORMED WELL, THEY, THEY LIKED IT, UH, BUT IT'S AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE FOR GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS REPLACEMENT UNIT AND THE COST IS $387,603.
YOU CAN TELL, UH, FROM A 21 PURCHASE, UH, NOW TO A 25 PURCHASE.
AND WE KNOW, KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFLATION, A LOT OF THINGS, BUT YOU SEE IT THERE AS WELL.
THIS UNIT HAS A FIVE YEAR, UH, EXTENDED WARRANTY AND PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN AS WELL.
THE GUARANTEED BUYBACK, UH, IS 163,000 AT THREE YEARS AND $115,000 AT FIVE YEARS.
AND AGAIN, TYPICALLY YOU RUN ABOUT A FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR THESE FIVE YEAR CYCLE.
UM, THE FIVE YEAR MARK FOR THE GUARANTEED BUYBACK ON THE EXISTING SWEEPER IS MAY 20TH.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIMING ISSUE OF IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHEN IT'S ORDERED, WHEN IT COMES IN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AT LEAST A YEAR, RIGHT AROUND A YEAR TO GET IT.
UM, THAT MAY AFFECT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE BUYBACK ON THE CURRENT SWEEPER.
IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMATION PIECE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT, UH, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL KEEP USING THE SWEEPER, THE CURRENT SWEEPER UNTIL THE NEW ONE COMES IN AND THEN WE'LL SWITCH 'EM OUT.
UH, WE WILL, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SURPLUS OUT AND SELL THE EXISTING ONE WHEN THAT TIME COMES.
UM, THE 26 BUDGET INCLUDES $325,000, UH, UH, IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND FOR THIS PURCHASE.
UM, THE DELIVERY AGAIN, WILL LIKELY NOT BE UNTIL, UH, FOFY 27, UH, FUNDING WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD INTO THE 27 BUDGET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE AND WHAT THE COST WILL BE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SHOWING IT.
BUDGET IS, UH, 3 25 AND THE PURCHASE PRICE IS 3 8 7 6 0 3.
DALE, I DON'T KNOW, DID YOU HAVE ANY, UH, AND I KNOW JAY, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS TOO.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT BUDGET DIFFERENCE.
SO, UH, IF YOU DO THE MATH AND THEY STICK TO 12 MONTHS, IT'S THE 70,000, THERE'S A 42 50 PER MONTH AFTER MAY THE 20TH DEPRECIATION.
SO I THINK IT'S AROUND 61,000 IF WE WAS TO DO THE BUYBACK THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.
BUT THERE'S 3 25 IN THE BUDGET, BUT 61 MAKES IT 3 86 AND THAT'S THE COST OF THE SWEEPER'S 3 87.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF THE TIMING'S RIGHT, WE'LL ALMOST BE WITHIN A GRAND OF THE BUDGET NUMBER.
THE OPTION WAS IF GOV DEALS, IF WE HIT, IF WE GET
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THE, HEY, THAT SWEEPER'S GONNA BE IN IN SIX WEEKS, WE CAN THEN DO A 30 DAY GOV DEAL SURPLUS.HOPEFULLY WE ALREADY HAVE A SURPLUS.
IF THAT BRINGS MORE THAN WHAT WE SEE THE BUY BACK'S GONNA BE.
WE WOULD TAKE THE OPTION WITH THE GOV DEAL, THEN WE WOULD PAY THE 3 87 PRICE WITH SANSUM.
IS THAT CORRECT, JENNY? SORRY.
SO UNLESS THIS, UNLESS THE NEW SWEEPER COMES IN MUCH LATER THAN WE EXPECT, THE THE GAP IS, IS PLANNED TO BE COVERED BY THE, UH, BUYBACK AND WITH THAT AND THEN WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR, UH, IF WE END UP SELLING IT.
BUT, SO WE, WE SHOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? JUST IN, IN GENERAL, GIVEN THE, THE LIFESPAN, THE USABLE LIFE OF THEM, I'M GUESSING OUR DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE REFLECTS THAT.
SO WE'RE, AS WE BUY 'EM AND DEPRECIATE 'EM IN THE EQUIPMENT FUND, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COUNTING ON.
AND, AND THE, THE 3, 3 25 IS WHAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO WE, WE KIND OF HIT IT RIGHT ON THE MARK.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG HIGH DOLLAR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND I KNOW IT REALLY KEEPS OUR STREETS LOOKING A LOT BETTER.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF REPORTS FROM THE TEAM HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATE IT, ESPECIALLY CLEANING UP AFTER WRECKS OR AFTER OTHER UNEXPECTED THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
THOSE THINGS REALLY GET USED TOO.
UH, OLD BUSINESS APPOINTMENT TO OF, EXCUSE ME, APPOINTMENT OF CITY COMMISSIONER TO THE TREE BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONVERSATION WITH THAT ONE.
UH, AS FAR AS OTHER OLD BUSINESS, WE DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT, UH, NEW BUSINESS, UH, APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR OF ONE MEMBER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS.
SOME OF THE MEDIA ITEMS WE WANNA GET TO, UM, FIRST JUST A QUICK UPDATE, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, WITH THE RACKET FACILITY.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS, AND THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP BEFORE, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT FACILITY GIVEN AT THIS POINT? THERE APPEARS TO BE CONSENSUS.
THERE HAS BEEN CONSENSUS TO PAUSE ON THAT AND, AND PERHAPS, AND AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK AS WE MENTIONED HERE PRETTY SOON NOW, AND START TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT REALLOCATION AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AND, AND, AND, AND TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
SO, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF QUICK HISTORY, THE CONTRACT WITH, UH, FOR DESIGN WAS WITH CNI DESIGN.
IT WAS APPROVED AT THE END OF OCTOBER IN 24.
AND THE CONTRACT AMOUNT TOTALED $997,500.
SO A LITTLE SHORT OF A MILLION, UM, BACK WHEN THE COMMISSION AUTHORIZED SPORTS FACILITIES COMPANIES TO COME IN AND DO THE OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY.
THERE WAS A PAUSE ON THE DESIGN BACK THEN.
SO, UH, IT WAS, IT GOES BACK THAT FAR.
SO THE TOTAL WE'VE SPENT TO DATE ON THE DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN PAUSED, IT'S $149,625.
AND SO ON THE, UH, ASSUMPTION, AND IF YOU HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS, UH, I THINK YOU DO, UM, THAT WE TRULY DO WANT TO, UH, FORMALLY TERMINATE THE DESIGN, WHICH YOU CAN DO UNDER THE DESIGN CONTRACT FOR FRIENDLY REASONS.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE THING.
BOTH PARTIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UM, EXCUSE ME, THE TOTAL NUMBER WILL, UH, IN ALL LIKELY TO BE THE 1 49 6 25 OR SOMETHING VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, ANY MINOR COSTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED, BUT, UH, TO BE RIGHT IN THERE.
AND SO IF YOU DO WANNA DO THAT, THEN WE WILL NEED TO PUT THAT ON YOUR, IN AN UPCOMING CITY, UH, COMMISSION AGENDA.
SO YOU, BECAUSE YOU APPROVE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN CONTRACT AND THEN THAT WILL OFFICIALLY TERMINATE THAT UNDER THE FRIENDLY PROVISIONS AND UH, THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THIS NUMBER OR IF THERE'S A FEW DOLLARS OFF, WHATEVER IT IS, THE SERVICES ARE FULLY PAID, THE PRODUCT THAT WE GET OUT OF THAT WE DO GET, AND THEN WE MOVE ON FROM THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? YOU WANT PUT THAT AN AGENDA? SURE.
ESPECIALLY AFTER, I THINK IT WILL MAKE IT CLEAR YEAH.
AND WHERE DID, WHAT WAS THE, DID THAT COME OUT OF LIKE, UH, NON-ROUTINE USE? LIKE WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THAT MONEY? UM, WELL I THINK IT CAME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? AND IT WAS IN THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE, WE HAD TRANSFERRED MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND.
AND SO, SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL BOARD PROJECT.
WE HAVE MONEY THAT'S NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED YET, SO I THINK WE APPROVED WHAT, 909 5? YEAH.
IS IT ALL TRANSFERRED, WAS ALL APPROPRIATE? DOES THAT GO BACK TO CAPITAL? YEAH, I, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE, SO
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WHEN WE DO OUR MINI CIP COMING UP IN AUGUST, UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW TO REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS.THERE ARE FUNDS SITTING IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? FOR THIS PURPOSE, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMING OVER MULTIPLE YEARS, WE'LL START SQUIRRELING AWAY MONEY, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
SO THERE'S SOME MONEY SITTING OVER THERE NOW.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE CIP ENVISIONS THAT MORE MONEY WAS GONNA GO OVER THERE FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THAT.
AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF, UH, OF RENEWED COMMISSIONERS AS WE GET INTO IT.
CIP IF WE COULD GO INTO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA DETAIL IN TERMS OF HOW ALL THE CASH FLOWS, JUST AS EVERYONE'S GETTING UP TO SPEED.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE FULLY UNDERSTANDS IT.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY 847,000 THAT YOU GOT LEFT, RIGHT? NO, ACTUALLY THE, THE 149, LET'S SEE HERE.
UH, UH, AN EASY REMINDER, WE'VE SPENT A HUNDRED ABOUT 150.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UH, EIGHT 50, THE HILL SHY OF EIGHT 50 REMAINING.
SO, SO WE'LL MEMPHIS MATH COME BACK.
IT'LL EITHER BE AS, AS, AS JAY MENTIONED, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND IF YOU'VE ALREADY TRANSFERRED IT OR THE GENERAL FUND.
WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK AND EITHER WAY IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE AND WE CAN PUT IT WHERE YOU NEED TO TO PUT IT FOR WHATEVER YOU MIGHT WANNA USE IT FOR IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE'LL UPDATE YOU AND COME BACK TO THAT.
WILSON, UH, PIKE WATERLINE PROJECT, THIS WAS, UH, RECENTLY ADDRESSED BY THE, UH, COMMISSION.
WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE STAGING AREA THAT MAKES SENSE.
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THAT MAP HIGHLIGHTS BASICALLY THE PROJECT RUNNING, UH, UH, PRETTY WELL PARALLEL, UH, WITH WILSON PIKE, THE STORAGE LOCATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE ALONG THAT PROJECT LINE, SO THERE AREN'T MANY GOOD OPTIONS.
BUT THE BEST OPTION, AND IF YOU, UH, IF YOU LOOK UP THERE WHERE THIS IS CROCKETT PARK, AND SO THERE'S A TUNNEL RIGHT THERE FROM THE TENNIS FACILITY GOES ACROSS, UH, FOR THE TRAIL THAT'S THERE AND CONNECTS OVER TO THE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF WILSON PIKE.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS OPEN SPACE AREA RIGHT HERE.
AND UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOU NOW TO A LITTLE BETTER PICTURE OF THAT.
YOU'RE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND SO ON.
THIS, THIS NORTH END OF IT RIGHT HERE IS WHAT WE'LL NEED TO USE FOR STAGING.
WE WILL NOT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WILL NOT INTERFERE AT ALL WITH THE TRAIL USE.
I THINK THAT'S A, MAKES IT A BIGGER QUESTION.
UM, MIGHT HAVE TO RELOCATE MAYBE A PIECE, ONE PIECE OF THE EXERCISE, JUST KIND OF THAT FIELD TYPE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO RELOCATE ONE PIECE.
IT'S NOT TOO BIG OF A DEAL, BUT IT'S REALLY THE ONLY SITE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO DO THAT.
ONE ASTERISK THEN BRAND NEW HOT OFF THE PRESS.
AND I APOLOGIZE, UH, JASON, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF TIME, BUT I JUST LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAD APPROACHED THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY, THEIR LEADERSHIP ARE AMENABLE TO IT.
THEY'VE GOTTA CHECK WITH THEIR BOARD.
SO THIS MAY BE OPTION B AND WE HAVE A NEW OPTION A COMING UP.
WOULD THIS BE FENCED OFF THEN? ALL THIS? I'M SURE IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH MIGHT BE 'CAUSE OF BEING SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT TO THE TOPO GRAPHICS ARE PRETTY TOUGH.
THAT FIELD IS A GOOD 15 FEET LOWER THAN THE ROAD, UM, ISH.
NOW IF THEY DO USE THIS SITE, THEY END UP TAKING OUT THE GUARDRAIL TO GET ACCESS TO IT AND THEY END UP HAVING TO BUILD AN ACCESS ROAD UP AND DOWN THAT THERE WOULD BE YES.
AN ACCESS ROAD THAT WOULD GET THEM UP FROM OBVIOUSLY ROAD ELEVATION DOWN THERE, BUT THE CONTRACTORS KIND OF PRICED ALL OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO TAKE UP THE GUARDRAIL.
I THINK THEY'LL BE, YEAH, THEY, THE GUARDRAIL WILL REMAIN.
UM, AND JUST KEEP IN MIND THE 16 INCH WATER LINE IS GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SLOWER AREA.
SO THERE WILL BE A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE FOOT TRAFFIC WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REROUTED A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE FOR LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A DAY OR SO.
WE'LL HAVE TO STOP IT WHILE WE'RE ACTUALLY INSTALLING THE PIPE AT THE, UH, WALKING TRAIL.
UM, SO ALL THAT BEING SAID THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME ACCESS ANYWAY FOR THE WATER LINES.
SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THEY WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT ACCESS, UH, JUST OFF TO THAT PICTURE AND, AND INTO THAT FIELD AREA.
BUT FAIR ENOUGH, AS OF YESTERDAY, UM, THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, THE CHURCH, GOOD SHEPHERD CHURCH THERE, AND THEY HAVE THE, THEY OWN THOSE FIELDS BETWEEN WILSON PIKE AND THE RAILROAD.
AND SO, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO THEIR BOARD NEXT MONTH AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT WILL WORK.
BUT THIS WOULD BE JUST KIND OF AN EXTRA, AN OPTION DOWN THE ROAD IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP.
SO IT WOULD BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE.
THEY'LL RESTORE WHATEVER THEY USED BACK TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION OR SOMETHING.
THEY'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO ANY RESTORATION WORK WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
LEAVE IT BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT.
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
VETERAN MONUMENT SITE SELECTION.
WE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST BRIEFING AND, UH, GIVE YOU SOME OPPORTUNITY TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
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IT.FIRST OF ALL, UM, COMMISSIONER DUNN WANTED ME TO MENTION HER PREFERENCES AND SHE APOLOGIZED FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HERE.
UH, HER PREFERENCES WERE THE PD SITE OR TOWER PARK SITE, BUT IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL EITHER WAY, SHE SAID.
BUT THOSE WERE HER PREFERENCES FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FEEDBACK.
THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS SITE WAS PREFERRED BY, UH, TWO, UH, CROCKETT PARK BY THIRD.
AND SO WE'D BE HAPPY WE HAVE ALL THE SLIDES.
WE CAN, UH, WE CAN GO IN AND GO BACK THROUGH 'EM IF YOU'D LIKE, OR IF YOU JUST HAVE QUESTIONS OR ONE IS BASED ON YOUR QUESTION LIST, POINT TO THE SLIDE, JUST LET ME KNOW.
CAN, CAN YOU TELL US WHICH OF THE TWO SITES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS WERE LISTED? THE FIRST ONE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE ONE FURTHER BACK TO THE POND.
THERE'S THE, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE POND AND THE SITE IS BETWEEN THE POND AND THE HEADQUARTERS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S A REALLY PRETTY GOOD VIEW THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE POND IN THE BACKGROUND.
WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE THE WATER, BUT RIGHT BACK IN THERE WE GOT A NOTE FROM TOM FREEMAN.
I, I THINK THIS IS GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT VISIBLE.
I DO THINK ROCKET PARK, IT'S JUST MORE VISIBLE.
I THINK HE SENT THAT EMAIL TO ALL OF US.
AND THAT I WAS CURIOUS, HE, HE SAID HE SENT IT TO ALL OF US ON REQUEST, BUT WAS THE INTENT TO HAVE EACH MEMBER OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE SEND US AN INDIVIDUAL EMAIL WITH THEIR REQUEST? NO.
OR WAS THAT MEANT, MEANT TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRE AD HOC COMMITTEE? NO, HE WASN'T EVEN THERE.
IT, IT WAS, IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE, YOU CAN INFORM THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO PEOPLE ON THAT, THAT COMMITTEE.
IF YOU DIDN'T THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ONES WHO DIDN'T, IF I, IF I MAY RAY, 'CAUSE I HAD, I HAD TOLD THEM TO SEND 'EM TO ME SO I COULD AGGREGATE THEM IN THIS FORMAT.
TOM ON HIS OWN SENT IT DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT.
AND BEING ON THE PHONE FOR THE MEETING, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN HARDER TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE INTENT WAS.
SO IT, SO HIS EMAIL WASN'T MEANT TO REPRESENT THE VIEW OF THE ENTIRE AD HOC COMMITTEE? NO.
IT WAS JUST HIS SINGULAR VIEW.
SO, SO WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BEING THERE TO HEAR THE WHOLE DISCUSSION? DID IT SEEM LIKE HIS, THAT THEY WERE PRETTY AMENABLE TO ALL THE LOCATIONS? OR DID THEY SEEM TO BE REALLY LEANING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? PROBABLY THE TWO TOP WERE JAKE AND GIVE HIS OPINION OF THIS TOO.
I THOUGHT THIS ONE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AND POSSIBLY THE SIGHTING CROCKETT PARK THAT'S NOT ON THE SLOPE.
UM, THE, THIS SITE IS MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED.
UH, I THINK IT WILL BE VISIBLE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY VISIT IT.
UM, THE FEARS AT CROCKETT PARK, WHICH JAY'S EXPRESSED TO YOU, BUT THE COMMITTEE IS THAT IS SO BUSY YEAH.
THAT IT WILL BE NOTICED FOR A FEW MONTHS AND THEN IT WILL BECOME BACKGROUND.
UM, THE PARAMILITARY NATURE OF POLICE AND FIRE.
THE THEME OF THAT FITS IN HERE.
I PERSONALLY REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LIKE THE TOWER PARK PARKING SITE.
AND I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE DID, EXCEPT THERE'S A, THERE'S A RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLANE.
AND THERE'S A PORTION OF IT THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD ON BUT MIGHT, AND IT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND TO ME THE OPTICS OF THAT AS THE CITY BUILDING SOMETHING OR BEING PART OF BUILDING SOMETHING I DIDN'T FEEL WERE APPROPRIATE.
NOW ALL THAT BEING SAID, THAT LARGE PARKING LOT FOR TOWER PARK IS CLOSE TO THIS.
UM, IF YOU HAD AN EVENT WHERE YOU REALLY NEEDED PARKING, LET'S SAY ON NOVEMBER 11TH AT 11:00 AM IF ENDEAVORS A CITY DECIDED TO DO THAT, OR SURE.
I WOULD SAY A PRIVATE GROUP AND THE CITY SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT ON 'CAUSE THEY WOULD DO A GREAT JOB OF IT.
AND MY SENSE IS, IS IF YOU FILLED POLICE HEADQUARTERS PARKING LOT IN THAT PARKING LOT, YOU'RE GONNA, UM, EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE COUNTY RANK CENTER.
I'M SURE IT WOULD BE OBLIGING FOR, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR'S TIME OR SURE.
UM, THIS SITE TAKES MUCH LESS SITE PREPARATION MM-HMM
FROM JUST SOMEONE WHO'S NOT AN ENGINEER.
SOME OF THE DRAWBACKS IS YOU DO HAVE THE KEYS
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SCENARIO OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S, I THINK THOSE ARE CHALLENGES THAT CAN BE HANDLED.UM, THE, UM, UH, BUT YOU'VE GOT ELECTRICITY THERE, YOU'VE GOT WATER BASICALLY THERE.
IF YOU NEEDED THAT, PLUS YOU'VE ALREADY GOT RESTROOMS. SO, AND, AND GETTING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY STRONG, IS THE VIBE OF THE LOCATION IN TERMS OF THE, THE SOMBER NATURE AND, AND FITTING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE.
IT WAS ALSO GOT SPACE IF IN THE FUTURE, YEAH.
NOT, NOT THIS GROUP, BUT IN THE FUTURE IF A COMMITTEE 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW WANTED TO DO SOMETHING TO ADD ONTO IT OR FOR FIRST RESPONDERS OR WHATEVER, YOU'VE GOT SPACE THERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO A MUCH MORE THAT OBVIOUSLY MY SENSE IS, IS THAT WAS PROBABLY VERY EARLY SPRING.
'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE TREES HAVE BUDS ON THEM, BUT IF NOT, IT WAS, IT WAS WINTER.
IT'S, IT'S MUCH PRETTIER IN THE SUMMER WITH ALL THE LEAVES AND IN THE FALL WITH THE LEAVES AND THEN SPRING WHEN EVERYTHING'S BLOOMING.
UM, I PERSONALLY, THAT SITE OR THE ONE AT CROCKETT, PROBABLY TO ME THAT MY OPINION ARE PROBABLY THE TWO BEST SITES.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN THE CENTRAL LOCATION OF IT, 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A FEELING THIS IS A MONUMENT THAT WILL BE VISITED FROM PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER MIDDLE TENNESSEE AND BELIEVE EVEN NATIONALLY.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT THERE OFF THE INTERSTATE MM-HMM
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY ONE STREET OFF THE INTERSTATE.
AND THOUGH IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A PASS THROUGH ROAD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE HERITAGE THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK IN THERE WITH THE REC CENTER, TOWER PARK MM-HMM
BUT IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING TRAFFIC.
SO I FEEL LIKE FOR A SOMBER EVENT, THIS PLACE WOULD LEND ITSELF BETTER.
IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEED THE LOCATION THOUGH, KIND OF FOR US TO GO THROUGH OUR NEXT STEPS OF STARTING DESIGN.
AT LEAST GETTING SOME, WHEN WE START TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT FUNDS YEAH.
WE'RE KIND OF WAITING ON THIS.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING IN OUR MEETINGS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF WAITING ON THIS TO, TO REALLY GET INTO THE MEAT OF SEEING HOW MUCH MONEY WE RAISE.
SO THEN WE KNOW THE SCOPE OF OUR, OUR PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH THOSE TRAINS WILL KIND OF LEAVE THE STATION AT THE SAME TIME.
ONCE WE HAVE A LOCATION, WE CAN START GENERAL DESIGN IDEAS AND THEN POSSIBLY DO UP SOMETHING BEFORE A FINAL DESIGN.
OF COURSE, I ASSUME THE FINAL DESIGN WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
SO TWO DESIGNS OR HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO DO IT.
SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, DO THE, DO THE FOLKS HERE FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO WEIGH IN ON THE LOCATIONS WITH WHAT YOU KNEW NOW? NO.
SO IF WE THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH WHERE WE COULD HAVE CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW, AND IF WE KIND OF KNOW WHICH ONES ANN SAID SHE'S OKAY WITH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOU ALL THE FEEDBACK RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
WELL WEIGHING EVERYTHING, UM, AND DISCUSSING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THE, UM, I PROBABLY, THIS IS MY CHOICE.
IT'S, UH, IT, IT JUST, UM, JUST BEING AT CROCKETT PARK ALL THE TIME AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS, I WORRY THAT THAT WILL BECOME LOST.
AND I DO WORRY ABOUT A HIGHER CHANCE OF THE DAMAGE OR OF LIKE BAD VANDALISM.
NOT, NOT A PRANK, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO IT.
THERE'S JUST TO SO MANY WAYS IN AND OUT OF CROCKETT PARK THAT MY FOOT AND WHATNOT AT TIMES OF THE EVENING.
SO JAY YOU MENTIONED YEAH, MAYOR, JUST, UH, IN CASE IT INFLUENCES YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER, THERE WAS ONE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A COMMITTEE MEMBER ABOUT THIS SITE THAT EVEN STAFF HAD SORT OF MISSED IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THOUGHT, OKAY, PARKING HERE, COMPLIMENTARY USE TO PDHQ AND THE PARAMILITARY AND ALL THAT AND THE BATHROOM WAS THE GREAT SELLING VOICE.
BUT THE BIG POINT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY ROOM IS A PLAN B FOR RAIN.
YOU HAVE AN EVENT PLAN FOR THIS SITE AND YOU, YOU'VE GOT RAIN THREATENING AND IT STARTS TO RAIN.
YOU SIMPLY MOVE IT INDOORS AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
IT'S JUST THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD'VE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS, WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT.
BUT ONE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOO.
SO THAT'S A GREAT PLAN B AND, AND WE MIGHT DO IT AS A CITY POLICY THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE HAVING AN EVENT THERE, COURT'S NOT IN SESSION OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NOT TRAINING ALL DAY THAT DAY.
SO YOU WOULD, SO YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD KIND OF BOOK
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BOTH OR, OR ARRANGE WITH THE CITY FOR BOTH OR, OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN BTHAT WAS MY CONCERN AT CROCKETT PARK.
IF, IF THERE WAS AN EVENT GOING ON AND THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENTS AND YOU KNOW, LACROSSE OR FOOTBALL OR BLAZER, WHATEVER, THAT, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, COMPETING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS A MORE SOMBER OR, YOU KNOW.
NO, I REMEMBER FIRSTHAND HAVING TENNIS TOURNAMENTS GOING OUT ON BLAZE FOOTBALL WEEKENDS RIGHT THERE AT THE CONCESSION STAND.
SO, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT AT THE MONUMENT, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE IN AUGUST.
I WOULD SAY JUST BEING THERE SO MUCH.
THERE ARE TIMES THAT THERE'S NO EVENTS GOING ON.
THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF WALKERS AND BIKERS AND FAMILIES AND IT IS PACKED AND THERE'S NOT, NOTHING'S GOING ON ON THE FIELDS, NOTHING'S GOING ON ON THE BALL FIELDS.
IT'S JUST A VERY, VERY BUSY PLACE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT YOUR PART TO BE.
YOU WANT IT TO BE VERY, VERY BUSY AND VERY WELL USED.
AND ITS, AND SO THAT'S, THAT WAS MY FEAR AS WE WENT INTO THIS.
THE SLOPE SITE PAST PASTORAL WISE WOULD BE NICE, BUT I THINK THAT'LL HAVE A LOT OF SITE CHALLENGES AND IT'LL BE A LOT OF EXPENSE.
I, I PREFER EXPENSE BE SPENT ON THE ACTUAL MONUMENT MM-HMM
AND MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT BRENTWOOD TAKES PLEASURE IN AND PRIDE IN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE HAD MORE, UH, CHALLENGES.
THE, THE ONE THING, TOWER PARK PARKING LOT SITE WAS PROBABLY 125,000 DEPENDING ON HOW LONG, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO RUN SEWER LINE FROM THE STREET ALL THE WAY BACK THERE.
I ASSUME THAT'S JUST FOR A RESTROOM.
AND SO TO ME IT'S A LOT OF OVERHEAD.
THE SCOTTISH IN ME, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE OTHER'S JUST LIKE ONE BUILDING AWAY
DOES IT MATTER THAT THIS ISN'T IN A PARK IN A PARKLAND? NO.
IS IT IRRIGATED UP THERE TO TO KNOW, UM, WE HAVE IRRIGATION ON THE CAMPUS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA? I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT IT DOES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE LIMITS OF THE IRRIGATION, SO I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT IT'S THERE AS WELL.
SO THE IRRIGATION BE A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE? I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, DEAD GRASS, DEAD GRASS ALL AROUND YOUR MONUMENT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE IT TO BUILD IT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE.
ARE THERE ANY PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS ON THIS THING? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.
SO, SO JASON IS KIND OF A CONCEPT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT THAT WE'VE ABANDONED ABOUT HERE AND THERE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAD THAT SLIDE.
UM, IT WAS JUST A, IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE, ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
IT IS AN EXISTING MONUMENT IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE IT'S UP IN ILLINOIS.
AND, AND THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO KINDA GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF MAKING WE TALKING STATUARY OR ARE WE TALKING SOMETHING INTO THE SMALL VERSION? WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY INITIALLY, UH, BACK IN THE LATE WINTER SPRING WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP THE COMMISSION WANTED A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THEY WANTED TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION.
UH, SINCE IT'S GONNA BE CITY PROPERTY, THE COMMISSION WOULD DETERMINE LOCATION.
AND SO REALLY TILL THE LOCATION WAS DETERMINED OR IS DETERMINED, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO DO A DESIGN.
MY SENSE IS THIS IS JUST A SENSE 'CAUSE WE'VE NOT GOT INTO THAT IN THE COMMITTEE IS IT WILL BE, IT WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME VERTICAL ELEMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY STATUES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE A PLAZA DESIGN SO IT'S OPEN AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYBODY SEEMED, AND JAY CAN SAY SOMETHING, BUT IF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR LAST MEETING ESPECIALLY, NO ONE SEEMED TO WANT LIKE JUST A SINGULAR STATUE.
UM, AND SO I'M THINKING IT'LL BE UM, KIND OF AN OPEN PLAZA TYPE DESIGN WITH POSSIBLE, UM, MONUMENT PIECES, CTS, IF YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, I USE THAT TERM EVEN THOUGH THAT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT A TOMB, BUT THAT TYPE OF THING.
PROBABLY A FLAGPOLE WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG.
UH, MAYBE BENCHES THOSE THINGS WE'VE NOT DETERMINED.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, WE KIND OF, WERE WAITING ON THE LOCATION, EVEN IF WE GET A MONUMENT COMPANY TO COME ON BOARD AND FIND OUT IF THEY DO ALL THE DESIGN SITE WORK EVERYTHING
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OR IF WE HAVE TO CONTRACT SEPARATELY.AND SO, UH, WE WERE WAITING TO FIGURE OUT THE LOCATION BEFORE WE START THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED TO KNOW THAT.
SO KIND OF WAS SET UP FOR THE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT
MY SENSE IS, IS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ONE OR TWO DESIGNS OR WHATEVER FOR THE COMMISSION TO CHOOSE FROM OR WHATEVER.
WE MAY HAVE A DESIGN AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN TWEAK IT TYPE OF THING.
SO, BUT, BUT IT IS FAIR TO SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ENCLOSED EVENT SPACE.
NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CONVENTION CENTER.
AND I MENTIONED THAT PARTLY IN JEST, BUT PARTLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE AD HIGH COMMITTEE WERE ENVISIONING SOMETHING REALLY ELABORATE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT MY, MY SENSE IS IT'S SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY POIGNANT AND REALLY THOUGHTFUL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY SUPER ELABORATE AND CERTAINLY NOT ENDORSED.
I'D HEARD IN A CASUAL CONVERSATION WITH NOBODY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS COMMITTEE THAT, UH, ASKED IF THE LIBRARY SITE HAD BEEN ACTUALLY CONSIDERED.
AND I WONDERED IF THAT WAS A CONFLICT OF THEMES.
BASICALLY THE LIBRARY VERSUS THIS, UH, MILITARY.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AS MUCH A CONFLICT OF THEMES AS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE EXTRA DECADE OR SO OF PROCESS THAT THE LIBRARY STATE SITE CAN,
'CAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY FLOODPLAIN AND IT HAS, UH, NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL SITE.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT A SITE WE WANT TO GO IN AND DO SITE WORK BECAUSE IF, IF SOMETHING'S DISCOVERED IT MIGHT BE SHUT DOWN FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS WITH ALL THE UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH.
WELL, I, I JUST WONDERED IF THAT SUGGESTION WAS ACTUALLY EMPLOYER OR NOT.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAME UP VERY SERIOUSLY JUST 'CAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE PTSD OVER THE LIBRARY SITE ABOUT
IT MAY HAVE BEEN, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MAYOR, BUT THEY, THEY DID SAY THAT THE FLOOD CLAIM IT WAS PROBLEMATIC YESTERDAY.
LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT A SLIDE TO THIS EFFECT THERE.
SO THERE'S THE FLOOD PLAIN AND ISN'T IT THE FUTURE DOG PARK WINDOW WATER THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY IN THE MEADOW COULD BE CONSIDERED AS DOG PARK AREA BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF, UH, SUBSURFACE EXPLORATION.
UH, SO THE YELLOW IS GONNA BE THE 500 AND THE ORANGE IS GONNA BE THE 100.
AND WE, WE, THIS IS THE FLOODWAY, THE BLUE IS THE, THE BLUE IS GONNA BE FLOODWAY 100.
YEARLY THE GOLD AND THE BLUE ARE A HUNDRED HERE.
OH, THE BLUE'S ALSO A HUNDRED HERE TUESDAY.
SO, SO, SO THE BLUE IS WHAT WE CALL RIVER PARK FOR GOOD REASON, RIGHT?
SO THE ISSUE AT THE LIBRARY SITE ITSELF IS THE 500 YEAR SORT OF THE SAME ISSUE AS OVER AT THE, UH YES.
FOR THAT AND THE HERITAGE TOWER PARK SITE, UH, HAVE THE, THE FLOOD ISSUES AND THEN, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL REMAINS, UM, RIGHT.
ON MUCH OF THE SITE, NOT ALL OF IT.
AND WE'RE CLEAR OF THAT AT THE UH, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT SITE.
AND, AND BASICALLY HOW, HOW BIG IS THAT LOT? THE ONE WE SAW THE PICTURE OF, IS THAT A HALF AN ACRE, AN ACRE? PROBABLY A QUARTER ACRE.
UM, HOW BIG IS YEAH, BACK ONE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT AREA KIND OF WHERE THE, THE CIRCLE IS.
I MEAN WE JUST, WE JUST DREW A CIRCLE.
BUT YOU HAD, YOU HAD A DIFFERENT, BIGGER THAT YOU DO HAVE AREA RECTANGULARLY ON THE BACKSIDE NEXT TO THE BUILDING, BUT WE, IT'S NOT SHOWING ME ON THIS PICTURE.
WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE GOING ON AROUND THE BUILDING.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS CONSIDERING ANYTHING THAT LARGE AT THIS TIME.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE SITE CIRCLE AND LOOKING OUT THERE, IT'S JUST A BIG OPEN AREA.
YOU KNOW, JUST HOOK A LEFT EARLY BEFORE YOU GO INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD
I MEAN WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN IN THERE, IT'S, IT'S JUST LITERALLY RIGHT THERE.
AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT.
THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS JUST A SLIGHT AMOUNT OF SLOPE THERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOOD, BUT THAT THE ACTUAL WHATEVER WE DECIDED TO FORM, IT'S REASONABLY FLAT THERE AND I'M SURE IT'S BECAUSE WE JUST DID A BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THERE A FEW YEARS AGO, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY NOT GRANTED IT OUT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE PRETTY CERTAIN THERE'S NO, UM, LIKE
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NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL SITES OR ARCHEOLOGICAL FINES.IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN HAVE TO BE NATIVE AMERICAN, BUT IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU ASSUMED IT WOULD BE.
I MEAN, YOU COULD MAYBE FIND A BIG DINOSAUR BONE TOO, I'M SURE, BUT ALL THAT WAS WAS DUG UP AND EVERYTHING AND GONE OVER AND ALL WHEN THEY BUILT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
SO I WOULD THINK IF ANYTHING WAS THERE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DISCOVERED THEN HAVING VISITED THAT CONSTRUCTION SITE MANY TIMES IT WAS PRETTY TORN UP UNTIL THEY GOT IT ALL JANUARY.
I'LL, FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED, I GO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, SO THE AGREED YES.
MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
THE LACK OF VISIBILITY IS A LITTLE OF AN ISSUE TO ME FOR PEOPLE SPONTANEOUSLY SAYING IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I MEAN, I SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE SIGN RULES ARE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT SOME SORT OF MONUMENT SIGN MM-HMM
AT THE BOTTOM, AT AT CONCORD CONCOR EACH WAY, UM, THAT THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL.
AND JANE AND I WERE TALKING, I THINK YOU HAVE, UH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU HAVE BASICALLY WAY FINDING SIGNS AND THEY'RE DIRECTIONAL AND, UH, WE CAN SEE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SIZE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
THAT'S AN EASY THING TO ADD AND REPLACE THE SIGN.
SO THAT WAY IF YOU'RE ON, UH, CONCORD EITHER DIRECTION, YOU'RE GONNA KNOW THAT THAT'S DOWN THAT WAY AND YOU'LL SEE IT THERE.
AND THAT DOES GIVE YOU MORE VISIBILITY THAN PEOPLE JUST NEEDING TO, TO DRIVE BY IF THEY DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW IT'S THERE.
SO I THINK THAT HELPS IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.
AND ONE THING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE PER SE, AS FAR AS IT BEING CITY PROPERTY, BUT THE HERITAGE HAS A NUMBER OF VETERANS THAT LIVE THERE AND HAVE SINCE THE INCORPORATION OF THE HERITAGE.
SO, UM, THAT I, I THINK THAT'S A PLUS AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVANCED YEARS WHO WOULD BE VISITING THIS MAYBE MORE SO THAN YOUTHFUL PEOPLE,
THAT PLACES PARKING LOT IS FLAT BECAUSE I PICTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET THERE.
YOU LIKE, AS I VISITED SITES LIKE THIS AS A CHILD BECAUSE, UH, THE, MY FAMILY WANTED ME TO KNOW THE PRICE THAT WAS PAID FOR MY FREEDOM.
UH, I PICTURE EVEN FAMILIES OR SCOUT GROUPS OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING EIGHT OR 10 CARS AT A TIME GENERALLY, UNLESS THERE'S A BIG CEREMONY.
OF COURSE THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS RESTROOMS WOULD SUFFICE.
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, PORTA BODIES OR WHATEVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE ONE DAY THAT SOME GROUP DECIDES TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
UH, BUT I PICTURE, I PICTURE MOST OF THE TIME IT'S AT THE MOST 10 OR 15 CARS, EVEN FOR A CEREMONY, MAYBE 20.
AND THE HEAD POLICE HEADQUARTERS HAS 50 PARKING SPOTS, BUT JUST ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE, OF COURSE FROM THE REC CENTER IS A LARGE PARKING LOT FOR TOWER PARK, WHICH ON SATURDAY MORNING SOMETIMES IT'S FULL.
SO A LOT OF DOG PEOPLE GO TO THE DOG PARK ON IT SEEMS LIKE SATURDAY MORNING.
SO, NOT TO JANET'S POINT ABOUT THE VISIBILITY AND, AND ALL THAT.
I KNOW CHARLES LOVES WHEN I FIND PROJECTS FOR HIM, DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IF WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY USING THE 250TH BIRTHDAY OF THE UNITED STATES AS PART OF PUBLICIZING IT, RIGHT.
BUT IF DONE AS WELL AS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS COULD VERY WELL FIND ITS WAY INTO OUR IMAGE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.
SO IF WE JUST DO A REALLY GOOD JOB PUBLICIZING AND ESTABLISHING IT INITIALLY THROUGH THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OR CELEBRATION AND WHATNOT, BUT THEN KEEP IT AS PART OF OUR IMAGERY, YOU KNOW, AS WE DO WITH CROCKETT PARK AND THE, AND ARNOLD AMPHITHEATER AND MANY OTHER IMAGE ELEMENTS, I THINK THEY COULD REALLY HELP FOR BUILDING AWARENESS AND, AND FRANKLY I THINK IT REFLECTS REALLY POSITIVELY ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A WELCOME CONDITION TO OUR IMAGE ELEMENTS.
WELL, THERE'S, I JUST, I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SITE, UH, BETWEEN THIS AND CROCKETT, I'M MORE, I WANT, I WAS ENVISIONING SOMETHING MORE THAT PEOPLE IN CARS WERE DRIVING BY AND FAMILIES WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND POINTING AT IT VERSUS THIS BEING, I MEAN, THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING AND PEOPLE DO GO TO THE REC CENTER, BUT THEY DON'T GO MUCH FURTHER.
THIS ISN'T SOMEWHERE THAT THEY JUST HAPPEN TO GO BY.
AND I DO THINK IN CROCKETT PARK, THERE'LL BE A, THERE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE, DEPENDING WHAT YOU SAY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I UNDERSTAND CROCKETT PARK HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME VANDALISM,
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BUT SO DOES THE, OUR HOUSES THERE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, CATHOLIC CHURCH, EVERYTHING ELSE.AND I JUST THINK THE AVAILABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DRIVE BY AND PEOPLE SEEING THAT, UH, IS AN ADVANTAGE.
AND I, I PREFER CROCKETT PARK.
NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT JUST, WELL, AND YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
AND WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THIS IS, UM, A DESTINATION FEATURE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF A SECONDARY FEATURE THAT YOU, YOU JUST ENCOUNTER BY ACCIDENT.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF GONE THE DIRECTION OF A DESTINATION FEATURE, YOU KNOW, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS WITH IT, INCLUDING THE EVENT BASIS AND THE LOCATION AND THE, AND TRYING TO HIT THE VIBE.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S A VALID POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES, MY CONCERN WITH THE CROCKETT PARK SITES IS JUST, THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, SIT BACK OFF THE ROADWAY.
UH, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, YEAH, ABOUT HOW CLOSE AIR AND JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO CR YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DART ACROSS TO, TO GO SEE IT.
I MEAN, I THINK VISIBILITY IS, IS STILL SOMETHING I WORRY ABOUT.
I, I HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE MIDWAY MONUMENT IN MIDWAY UTAH, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE.
I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO GET TO MIDWAY UTAH, BUT THE, UM,
THEY HAVE NOT JUST A BROWN SIGN THAT SAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW, POLICE HEADQUARTERS, RACKET, FACIL, OR, YOU KNOW, INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SIGN AND THEY ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE, UM, FLAGS ON THEIR SIGN.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN JUST SO OF STANDS OUT.
SO IT REALLY CATCHES YOUR EYE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE, IF WE REALLY WANT TO GET PEOPLE LIKE DRIVING BY, LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD DRIVE UP THERE AND SEE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT STAND OUT MORE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
AND RAY, DOES THAT GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED FOR YOUR, FOR OUR, I SHOULDN'T SAY YOU'RE AT HIGH COMMITTEE, BUT FOR ALL OF OUR ED HIGH COMMITTEE COMMITTEE REPRESENT US ON, BUT THE, UH, AND IT ALSO HELPS, UH, STAFF AS THEY TALK WITH THE MONUMENT COMPANIES AND OR DESIGN AND ENGINEERS, 'CAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO, THIS IS THE SITE WE'RE GONNA DO, AND THEN THAT, THAT, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT WASTING TIME DESIGNING FOR TWO DIFFERENT SITES OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND TO YOUR POINT, KEN, WE DID LOOK EVEN ON GRANNY WHITE WHERE THERE WAS A LITTLE SECTION OF CITY PROPERTY.
THERE'S JUST NO PLACE IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S CITY PROPERTY THAT'S REALLY ON A THOROUGHFARE.
BUT I, I DO WORRY BECAUSE THESE TYPES OF MONUMENTS LEND THEMSELVES TO WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MORE SOMBER OR REFLECTIVE TYPE EVENT.
AND BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARK THAT'S SO, SO BUSY.
AND I THINK THAT WILL LEND ITSELF BETTER FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MAY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE EVEN HAVE RELIGIOUS SERVICES THERE TO HONOR VETERANS AROUND VETERANS DAY AT THOSE TYPES OF PLACES.
SO, BUT WE DID LOOK LIKE THERE WERE MANY, WEREN'T MANY PLACES THE CITY HAD PROPERTY RIGHT.
ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE, BUT I KNOW WE LOOKED RIGHT OFF OF MARYLAND WAY AND GRANNY WHITE, BUT JUST THE, IT WASN'T ARE YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OUT WALKING PAST OR SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER.
WELL, THEN THERE'S A FOR SALE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AT WILSON PIKE AND CONCORD ROAD.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALWAYS BUY A DONKEY PARK.
5, 8, 5 ACRES, RIGHT? UH, YES.
CLOSER TO SEVEN, ISN'T IT? BUT, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, BUT THAT'S BUCKS BETWEEN FRIENDS.
WELL, THERE'S A GREAT, THERE'S A GREAT IDEA THOUGH,
THE, THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE IS, UH, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AT THE, AT YOUR LAST BRIEFING, UH, MARYLAND FARMS DESIGN STANDARDS.
AGAIN, THIS IS REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TODAY THAT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE DISCRETION, UH, IF, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE FACADES IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEY HAVE HAD SOME, UH, PROJECTS COME BEFORE THEM, AS YOU KNOW, AND, UH, HAVE, UH, USED THEIR DISCRETION AND JUDGMENT ON THOSE.
AND I, I, WE, WE, WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES WE CAN SHOW YOU.
IT'S NOT A LONG SLIDESHOW, BUT IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
IF YOU FEEL YOU ALREADY SORT OF KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
WE DON'T, I DON'T WANNA USE UP YOUR TIME, BUT I CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH IT ABOUT THREE MINUTES PROBABLY, UH, WHAT WE HAVE, IF THAT'S HELPFUL, AND GO FROM THERE.
JUST TO POINT, UH, I DIDN'T INITIATE THIS
I, I, I THINK YOU'RE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS THERE AND THIS, BUT THIS, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE'S ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHO REALLY WAS PUSHING THIS, AND THAT'S HOW IT BROUGHT FORWARD.
BUT I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS OR NOT, EVEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
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WAS BROUGHT UP THOUGH, THAT BROUGHT UP TO US IS ONCE YOU PAINT A BUILDING, YOU REALLY CAN'T GO BACK.YOU KNOW, AND SO YES, IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE, LOOKS NICE NOW, AND WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND HOPEFULLY CAN KEEP OUR LEVEL UP TO THE A AND B OFFICE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, BY MAKING IT LOOK MORE MODERN ON THE OUTSIDE AND ALL THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE FROM NOW, WHAT'S GONNA KEEP THOSE BUILDINGS FRESH? I MEAN, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO HOPE THAT WHOEVER OWNS THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT USUALLY THE TENANT, UM, IS GONNA KEEP IT REFRESHED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT GIVEN THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY PAINTED, UM, THERE, THAT, THAT WE CAN PUT A STOP TO IT.
HOW ABOUT WE HIT THESE REAL QUICK AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME QUICK CONTEXT TO THINK ABOUT, AND I'LL THINK IT'LL TAKE YOU TOO LONG.
SO AGAIN, AT THE APRIL 20, 25, APRIL THIS YEAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDER SPECIFIC BUILDING EXTERIOR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MARYLAND FARM.
AND THEN OF COURSE, STAFF WOULD WORK WITH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN YOU TO FINALIZE WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, PURPOSE, UH, REALLY JUST TO ADDRESS UPDATES OF EXTERIOR OF THE OLDER OFFICE BUILDINGS.
OTHER WORDS, THE BROWN OR RED BRICK MAY NOT ALWAYS BE IN VOGUE.
RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A REQUEST TO CHANGE.
AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, IN TIME, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS I THINK, UH, UH, JENNY MENTIONED THERE'S A COMPETITIVENESS.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT THOSE BUILDINGS TO BE, UH, UH, DETRACTIVE BOTH IN DESIGN, LOOK SITE, THE WHOLE THING AS IT RELATES TO BEING ABLE TO KEEP 'EM FILLED IN THE FUTURE AND KEEP THIS A VIBRANT AREA.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UM, THE QUESTION OF DESIRING CONSISTENCY AND ELIMINATING HODGEPODGE UPGRADES, WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU DO HAVE THAT PROTECTED RIGHT NOW IN YOUR PROCESS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE PART BEHIND IT.
UM, ANY PROPOSED LAND USE OR DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL BE DESIGNING CONSTRUCTIVE MATERIALS.
SO HAS TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UH, CHARACTER, UH, OF THE GENERAL AREA.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE, BUT YET BROAD AT THE SAME TIME.
AND IT GIVES YOU, IT GIVES YOU THE TYPICAL DISCRETION THAT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AND CAN APPLY, UH, SITE PLANS EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THE FOLLOWING SECTION.
NO CONSTRUCTION OF ANY BUILDING OR THE ALTERATION OF THE EXTERIOR OF ANY BUILDING WITHIN A COMMERCIAL OR SERVICE INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT SHALL BEGIN UNTIL THE PLAN FOR SUCH CONSTRUCTION OR ALTERATION HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THIS REALLY LAYS OUT THAT THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT IT DOES, AND GIVES THEM SOME DISCRETION THAT SAYS, HEY, DON'T GO TOO FAR OFF THE GENERAL AREA.
UM, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE 2022, KINDA THE PREVIOUS, IN THE EXISTING FROM THE ORIGINAL BRICK TO SORT OF A LIGHT, MAYBE TOPE OR COLOR LIKE THAT AT, UH, WEST PARK.
UH, BUILDING ONE, BUILDING TWO, UH, FAIRLY SIMILAR, UH, UPDATE.
UH, SO THAT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING THERE.
UH, BUILDING THREE, KIND OF SAME THING, ALMOST A RERUN THERE.
UH, BUILDING FOUR, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT PATTERN FIVE, UH, LET'S SEE, 2 0 9 PAL PLAYS.
AND AS FAR AS COLOR SCHEME THERE, NOT GETTING TOO FAR OFF.
UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, BRIGHTER.
IT'S A BRIGHTER, UH, SOME, AGAIN, UH, LITTLE, QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE BRICK.
UH, MORE OF A, I'LL CALL IT A WHITE, I CAN'T TELL HERE WHAT SHADE OF IT IS, BUT, UH, FROM THE PICTURE, THAT WAS IN MAY OF 2025, AGAIN, ALL THESE GO THROUGH THE STAFF.
THEY GO THROUGH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION, JUDGMENT, DISCRETION SUPPLIED TO THESE.
AND, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU LIKE TOTE OR WHITE, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING TOO FAR OFF BASE.
AND, UH, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, FRESH AND ATTRACTIVE.
UM, THIS IS THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE.
AND, AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE TOO, RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PRIMARY COLOR, THIS IS AN ACCENT COLOR.
SO IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE BUILDING.
IT MIGHT NOT, IT'S UP TO THE, THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDERS.
BUT, BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE IT WAS JUST AN ACCENT COLOR TO THE BRICK, UH, THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED HERE IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
UH, 2 0 9 WARD CIRCLE, SMALLER BUILDING, AGAIN, A LIGHTER TYPE COLOR, UH, OFF WHITE A LITTLE BIT TO A LITTLE MORE OFF WHITE ON THIS ONE, OR LIGHT TAN.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO 'EM TODAY, BUT JUST TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT HOW SIMPLE OR COMPLEX THIS IS, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO DEFINE THE MARYLAND FARMS AREA, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS, AND PROBABLY THE HARDEST AREA MIGHT BE ON THE EAST SIDE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THIS IS THE AREA.
UH, THERE'S A MAP FROM 1988, UH, AND AGAIN, IT SAYS MARYLAND FARMS. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO FRANKLIN ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, THIS GOES BACK TO 1970, BUT THE, THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN, JUST AS PART OF IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD HERE IN THE PROCESS, IS TO SAY WHAT AREA DO WHAT, WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE, WHAT AREA IS AFFECTED.
AND SO HERE WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE JUST KIND OF JOTTED DOWN.
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THE BOUNDARY AREAS? IT ONLY C ONE OFFICE.DOES IT INCLUDE C TWO RETAIL? THAT CHANGES, CHANGES, SOME THINGS.
WHAT BUILDINGS WOULD BE AFFECTED? ONLY OFFICE BUILDINGS OR ALSO OTHER BUILDINGS LIKE HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, WE WOULD, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, COLOR IS SEEMS SIMPLE BECAUSE I CAN LINE UP 10 PEOPLE AND ASK THEM THEIR FAVORITE COLOR ON SOMETHING AND I CAN GET THAT RESPONSE.
BUT IT'S REALLY VERY TECHNICAL WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A PALETTE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PRIMARY COLOR, ACCENT, COLORS, TRIM COLORS, HOW THOSE MIGHT WORK TOGETHER.
SO IT'S VERY TECHNICAL, SWEET IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, NEED TO PROBABLY GET SOME HELP.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPERT ON THAT, UH, UH, FOR THAT ON OUR STAFF.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY THE FISCAL EXTERIOR OF A BUILDING? OR DO WE CARE ABOUT WHAT THE SITE, HOW THAT COMPLIMENTS IT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS ASKED, BUT IT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU'D HAVE TO, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS, IS YOU COULD, YOU COULD CREATE MORE PREDICTABILITY PERHAPS WITH GUIDANCE AND GUIDELINES.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LIMIT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
RIGHT NOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PRETTY BROAD DISCRETION.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY LIMIT IT TECHNICALLY, BUT IT WOULD CREATE MORE PREDICTABILITY.
AND THAT'S SORT OF THE BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE.
I THINK WHAT YOU SEE THOUGH IS, IS THAT IT COULD BECOME FAIRLY COMPLICATED ON APPLICATION LOCATION, UM, COLORS, COLOR SCHEMES, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT THAN WHAT IT PROBABLY FIRST FEELS LIKE.
UH, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, FIRST BLUSH, AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE COMPLEXITY, AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE QUESTION SEEMS TO ADD ANY OTHER, NOW IT COMES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF, UM, YOU'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE BEFORE THE OPEN, UH, DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN FAITH? THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND THEY, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO A GOOD JOB.
THEY SEEM TO HAVE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
AND IF SO, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU'D FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT? NOW ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT AT SOME POINT HERE IN THE NE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE'LL BE STARTING TO BE TALKING ABOUT A 2040 PLAN.
AND THERE'LL BE SOME BIGGER QUESTIONS.
IT WON'T BE THIS SPECIFIC, BUT THERE'LL BE BIGGER QUESTIONS.
AND I'M QUITE SURE, UH, THAT THE THOUGHT OF MARYLAND FARMS AND VIABILITY, A BIG QUESTION THAT'LL BE THEIRS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE AND FROM A BIGGER STAGE IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH DESIGN OF AN AREA AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE SOME FACTORS, UH, TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
AND SO REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO IS, IS NOW A TIME THAT YOU WANNA SAY, LET'S PUT, UH, SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME COMING WITH SOME GUIDELINES THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW, AND THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THAT AND THE IMPACT OF THAT.
AND DO YOU WANNA DO THAT OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW? MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT AS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, YOU COULD DO A BOOK THAT WAS SO DETAILED AND SO SPECIFIC FOR EVERYTHING IN THE CITY THAT YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULD STILL NEED 'EM, BUT YOU MIGHT THINK YOU WOULDN'T NEED HUMAN DECISIONS.
AND SO I THINK THE HUMAN DECISION PART OF IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY VITAL.
AND I THINK IT'S WORKED VERY WELL IN BRENTWOOD, UM, HAVE ALWAYS AGREED WITH EVERY PERFECT COLOR OR WHATEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS APPROVE.
NO, BUT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, A YEAR OR TWO LATER YOU CAN GO, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY DOES KIND OF FIT THERE AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE I THOUGHT WERE SHOWING, I MEAN, I THOUGHT LOOKED GOOD.
AND THEY ALSO SHOWED HOW TIME CHANGED.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, LITTLE BIT BRENTWOOD DID THIS, BUT NOT REAL BAD.
BUT YOU CAN GO TO SEVERAL COMMUNITIES AROUND THIS NATION, ESPECIALLY IN SUBURB AREAS OF, OF LARGER METROPOLITAN AREAS.
AND WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, BUT SOME COMMUNITIES LOOK, TRIED TO COPY WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA AND THE SEVENTIES, I GUESS AS AN HOMAGE TO THE BICENTENNIAL IN 1976.
AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY'S NOT GROWN THAT MUCH, THAT IT DOES REALLY LOOK DATED.
AND SO I THINK FREE ENTERPRISE DETERMINES, I DON'T THINK WITH THE COST OF THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE PROPERTY, THAT THE, THE HOLDERS OF THESE PROPERTIES WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE THEM FROM A, A B PLUS TO A C MINUS IN OFFICE SPACE.
AND A LOT FROM WHAT I HEAR IS A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S DETERMINED ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING IS IF THEY GET A LARGE TENANT AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GO IN AND TEAR OUT BIG SECTIONS OF IT BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE IT WAS EVERY, EVERYBODY WANTED OPEN OFFICE SPACE, AND THEN IT'S GONE TO CLOSE, AND THEN IT'S GONE BACK TO OPEN.
AND THEN IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID BETWEEN, AND, AND THEN THEY DO THE SAME FOR THE EXTERIOR.
SO PERSONALLY, I THINK WHEN YOU DO TWO STRICT A DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, YOU LIMIT, UH, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY MISS OPPORTUNITIES
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OF BUILDINGS THAT WHERE THIS LANDHOLDER FOR SOME REASON NEEDS TO SELL IT.BUT OUR DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD KEEP ANY OTHER BUYERS WHO WOULD BE VIABLE FOR BUYERS AND ACTUALLY WOULD RAISE, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT COST OF OUR OFFICE BUILDINGS.
THAT'D BE LIKE, NOT GONNA GO TO BRENTWOOD.
IT'S TOO STRICT NOW IF YOU'RE ESTABLISHING SEASIDE IN FLORIDA.
YEAH, THEY, THAT, THAT'S A COMMUNITY THAT HAD VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN CENTERS.
AND IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT NEW ENGLAND LOOK AND, AND EVERYTHING.
BUT FOR A OFFICE PARK OR ANYTHING, THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, 'CAUSE WHEN Y'ALL MENTIONED THIS, I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I, I DO HAVE FAITH IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AND, AND I HAVE FAITH IN OUR CITY COMMISSION TO GO, WHOOPS, NOPE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
AND SO, UH, SO YEAH, I I, I PERSONALLY, I I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND YOU DON'T WANT TO RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TREAD.
I MEAN, YOU BRING OUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE SEASIDE AND THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN SET OF COMPROMISES.
THEY'VE HAD CHALLENGES WITH THEIR STRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND ALSO, AS YOU MENTIONED, I I AGREE THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAN THERE ARE ON THE CITY COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS IS A VERY SMALL, DON'T HAVE A ROLE, BUT YES, THIS VERY SMALL PIECE OF THIS WHOLE PUZZLE.
BUT IVY CAKES, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THEY CAME? YES.
AND THE FIRST DESIGN WAS HOT PINK MAN.
BUT AGAIN, THEY KNEW THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND SHE WAS VERY NICE AND SHE STEPPED UP AND SHE SAID, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS A SOFTER PINK MM-HMM
AND AS YOU GO BY THERE NOW IT BLENDS IN REALLY NICE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE SHE KNEW SHE NEEDED TO WORK WITH US VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING.
I, I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BROKEN AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FIX IT.
WELL, WHEN THE PERCH FIRST OPENED, THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT KIND OF LIGHT COLOR WAS KIND OF UNIQUE IN BRENTWOOD AT THAT POINT.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T BEING DONE EVERYWHERE.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE HOUSES, RED BRICK HOUSES THAT WERE BEING WHITE
AND SO I REMEMBER WHEN THAT DID, IT DID KIND OF STAND OUT AT FIRST.
'CAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE LIKE THAT REALLY.
BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO.
BUT NOW YOU DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION THAT IT'S DIFFERENT.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF IT BEING DIFFERENT.
SO IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WHERE WE'RE AT? I, I THINK SO.
I MEAN, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE A, DONE A GOOD JOB AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WHEN THE, THE LAST ONE THAT YOU SHOWED US WHEN IT CAME UP WITH THE BLACK EXTERIOR, THAT IT, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO STARK.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT AT THIS.
BUT THE FIRST, UH, PART OF THE CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT GIVES THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, GIVES THE, THE CHARGE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY MM-HMM
THAT I THINK PROTECTS US FROM ANYTHING TOO CRAZY.
AND THEN, BUT THEN WE HAVE ALWAYS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS IN OUR DECISIONS, UM, AS WE REMINDED.
SO I THINK THAT IF WE GET TOO STRICT, IT'S LIKE WE COULD HAVE GRAY, BUT IT CAN'T BE THIS GRAY, YOU KNOW? AND HOW, HOW GRAY IS TOO GRAY.
THAT YOU JUST WANDER INTO THAT TOO MUCH.
WE CAN, WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
BUT YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LIKE THAT'S, TO ME THAT WOULD BE WHY I WOULDN'T MORE RULES ON THERE, THERE.
BECAUSE YOU THINK OF THE EVEN ONE COLOR, THE, THE, THE VARIATIONS OF THAT COLOR, THE SHADES OF THAT COLOR, SHES OF THAT COLOR, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THAT GETS TO BE COMPLICATED VERY QUICKLY.
SO THE CITY ATTORNEY CORN, ARE YOU ON BOARD WITH THIS, WITH NOT DOING ANYTHING? ABSOLUTELY.
I WAS TRYING, KEN WAS CATCHING MY EYE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW LEGALLY TO SAY WALK AWAY WHAT IT WAS.
SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE VACATION IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
IT'S SHERWIN WILLIAMS, NUMBER SIX.