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A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.[ Brentwood Planning Commission Briefing July 2, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Planning Commission to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
UM, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING ON A WEDNESDAY, NOT OUR NORMAL THURSDAY, BUT IT WAS JUST PROBABLY BETTER FOR US TO MOVE IT ON WEDNESDAY AND INSTEAD OF FRIDAY, SO THAT Y'ALL COULD ENJOY YOUR LONG THREE DAY WEEKEND.UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANTED TO MAKE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND CONGRATULATE TODD PETROWSKI ON BECOMING OUR INTERVIEW PLANNING DIRECTOR.
SO, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW, AS JACKSON AND I ARE SITTING UP HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY START LEADING THESE BRIEFINGS, GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK SINCE HE HAS TO DO 'EM ON MONDAY NIGHTS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO BOTH MORE INVOLVED IN PLANS REVIEW.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF OUR, UH, ITEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN BEEN REVIEWING.
SO, UM, I'LL LET JACKSON START 'CAUSE HE'S GOT THE FIRST COUPLE.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, ON MONDAY NIGHT, UM, WE ARE DOING ELECTION OF OFFICERS, SO WE'RE GONNA BE, WELL Y'ALL, I WILL NOT BE HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UM, I'LL BE ON VACATION, BUT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE DOING ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
SO FOR VOTING FOR CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR BECAUSE JANET IS NO LONGER ON PLANNING COMMISSION AND SHE'S NOW ON CITY COMMISSION AND SHE'S BEEN OUR CHAIR FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA BE CONSIDERED FOR CHAIR VICE, JUST LET US KNOW.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO DOING A PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.
SO I KNOW PRESTON, YOU'RE CURRENTLY ON HISTORIC COMMISSION AND I BELIEVE YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY ON HISTORIC COMMISSION.
SO, UH, Y'ALL JUST NEED TO MAKE A, UM, MOTION FOR THAT, THOSE TWO ITEMS ON CHAIR DECIDE THAT MONDAY NIGHT.
TWO PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ARE ON THE BIG LIST FOR THE CORRECT CITY COMMISSION.
SO HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? UNLESS, SHOULD WE DEFER A WEEK UNTIL THE ANNOUNCEMENT'S MADE? UM, JUST IN CASE ONE OF US GETS LUCKY
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON TO DEFER BECAUSE WHY DEFER? WHAT IF WHEN DID THE OTHER 19 GET IT? IT WAS AN ISSUE OF TIMING.
YEAH, NO, IT'S, UM, AN UNKNOWN.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA.
IF, IF I, I WOULD SAY LET'S KEEP IT, LET'S KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN IF WE DO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION OF OFFICERS, WE WILL.
AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S MORE OF A FORM FORMALITY.
FORMALITY, SO IT'S NOT A PROB IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM TO ADD IT.
SO, UM, IS THE CITY COMMISSION PLANNING TO MAKE A DECISION IN THE NEXT MONTH? THEY'RE DECIDING JULY 14TH.
SO THERE'S 20 AND THEY'RE COMING UP ON THEIR, WHAT, 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER.
HOW MANY DAYS DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO I THINK THEY'VE STILL GOT A, THEY'LL STILL HAVE A TWO WEEK BUFFER.
SO THEY HAVE AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS.
IF THEY CAN'T DECIDE ON THE 14TH, THEY'LL DECIDE ON THEIR, UH, SECOND MEETING ON THE 28TH.
UM, AND THEN IF WE, IF WE NEED TO TO UNTIL WE, UH, WE CAN ADD IT AGAIN TO THE AUGUST.
MEANING FOR, UM, AN ELECTION OF OFFICER OF WHATEVER POSITION.
I MEAN I'M ASSUMING YOU AND MICHAEL ARE WANTING TO DO VICE, SO LIKE SOME SORT OF VARIATION OF CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.
UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA RUN OUT, WE'RE GONNA RUN AGAINST EACH OTHER EVERY WEEK HERE IN CITY HALL.
BUILDING BE AN OFFICIAL COIN FLIP.
UM, BUT WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL JUST VOTE FOR THAT ON, ON MONDAY NIGHT.
SO, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS FOR CITY COMMISSION.
IT IS AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF UM, I MEAN THE CHAIR COULD JUST GO DOWN AS THE SHORTEST REINING CHAIR OF ALL TIME.
WELL, I MEAN IT'S GONNA OPEN A SO WE JUST KEEP IT AS IS.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPOINTMENT TO THE SHORT COMMISSION, UH, AS WELL.
ARE YOU JUST GOING STAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
ALRIGHTY, YOU GUYS READY? THANK YOU.
SO WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE AND THE UM, FOR RIGHT NOW THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, BPC 25 0 1 DASH 0 0 9 FOR A MINOR SITE PLAN.
ALTERATION FOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE CRUSH YARD, PICKLEBALL AND RESTAURANT LOCATED AT THREE 30 FRANKLIN ROAD.
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IT'S IN THAT BIG SHOPPING AREA WHERE THE TJ MAXX IS THE OLD, UM, KROGER SLASH STEINMART CHICK-FIL-A.WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE WANTING TO REVISE THE CURRENT ELEVATIONS TO KIND OF FIT THEIR MORE REALISTIC STYLE.
SO RIGHT UP HERE IS THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO THEY'RE WANTING TO GET RID OF THIS PEAKED ROOF RIGHT HERE.
COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND MODERNIZE THIS FRONT FACADE WITH A CRUSH YARD LOGO, I BELIEVE.
HERE'S MORE DETAILED VISUALIZATION OF IT.
UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDES A NEW SIGNAGE MODIFICATION OF THE PEAK ROOF LINE TO CREATE A MORE MODERN LOOK USING A LOUV SCREEN DESIGN AND EXTERIOR PAINTING USING LIGHTER COLORS.
THOSE COLORS ARE ROCKPORT GRAY AND WIND'S BREATH.
UH, AND AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, THIS WILL BE FOR THE NEW CRUSH YARD PICKLEBALL AND RESTAURANT.
WHAT'S CIRCULARLY CURRENTLY? THERE'S NOTHING.
THAT'S THE OLD STOCK AND TRADE.
DO THOSE COLORS MATCH? SO IT'S NEXT ROCK AND TRADE IS STILL THERE.
IT'S THE OLD STEINMART KRO HERE.
SO IT'S GONNA KIND OF MATCH STOCK AND TRADE.
OH, BECAUSE, SO ON YOUR OTHER ONE IT HAD THE CORNER OF THE PREVIOUS UH, SLIDE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES ALL THE WAY.
SO IT KIND OF GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE, OKAY.
SO THESE, WELL YEAH, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T SHOW THE FULL SHOPPING AREA, BUT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE A VISUAL VISUALIZATION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY'RE WANTING IT TO LOOK LIKE.
BUT IT'S THIS WHOLE FROM HERE TO STEINMART TO WHERE AT AND T IS.
AND SO IT KIND OF MATCHES THE STOCK.
SO IT'S STILL, UM, THE OLD KROGER AND THEN STEINMAR MM-HMM
AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR, FOR A WHILE QUITE SOME TIME.
AND THEN I THINK STOCK AND TRADE TOOK OVER SOME OF THE SPACE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, PUSHED BACK UP, BUT IT'S THE SAME ARCHITECT WHO DID STOCK AND TRADE AND THEN TAKEN UP THAT PEAKED ROOF.
THE OTHER TWO SIDES, WHICH LOOKS YEAH, THEY'RE RUNNING IT OUT.
IF YOU GO TO THE COUPLE SLIDE, THE LAST SLIDE.
SO THEY'RE FLATTENING IT OUT TO MATCH WHAT STOCK AND TRADE HAS OVER HERE AND THEN THE OTHER LIKE EDGE OF THE WE THIS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE BEING PROPOSED.
NO NEW, NO ADDITIONAL PARKING, NO PARKING BEING TAKEN AWAY, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS MAY NOT BE IN OUR UM, SCOPE, BUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS WHOLE AREA? THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSITION IN AND OUT OF BUSINESSES HERE.
IS THIS, IS, ARE THE BUSINESSES HAVING DIFFICULTY BEING SUSTAINABLE IN THIS AREA? UM, UM, IN SOME CASES.
IT'S THE SECOND ONE IN TWO MONTHS.
THAT'S A NEW, YEAH, I THINK IT'S OF THE NATURE OF BUSINESS IN GENERAL THAN IT IS THE NATURE OF A LOT OF RESTAURANTS COMING AND GOING.
A LOT MORE COMPETITION IN THE AREA.
FOR ONE, THEY DO HAVE A NEW, UM, PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HAD HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TENANTS GOING IN AND OUT.
UH, I THINK SOME OF IT IS JUST THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO SUSTAIN.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, THE SHOPPING CENTERS NOT BUSY AT ALL.
IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS.
AND I MEAN, EVERYWHERE YOU'RE SEEING UH, RENT INCREASES ALSO AND PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO OR WANTING TO PAY.
KROGER WAS THERE FOR A GOOD 10 YEARS TILL THEY BUILT THEIR NEW LOCATION AND STEIN MART'S WENT OUT LIKE EVERYWHERE.
LIKE STEIN MART WENT OUT EVERYWHERE LIKE IT WENT.
SO THAT TO ME ISN'T LIKE A PROBLEM WITH THIS SHOPPING CENTER THAT WAS LIKE EVERYWHERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF LONG, UH, LONG TERM, LONG TERM PEOPLE.
UM, I THINK LOLOW AND PRIME WENT OUT AND THERE'S LIKE A BUTCHER GOING IN THERE, BUT AGAIN, BUTCHER BUTCHER BUTCHER'S ON THE FRONT SIDE, RESTAURANTS BUTCHERS OVER BY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CRUSH YARDS HAD SUCCESS IN THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS.
I KNOW ONE OF OUR, UM, STAFF MEMBERS ACTUALLY WENT TO A CRUSH YARD IN, WAS IT NORTH CAROLINA? SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO, SO QUESTION REGARDING CRUSH YARD AND THE RESTAURANT.
DO THEY HAVE LIKE THEIR OWN RESTAURANT? SO LIKE AS THEY GO FROM SOUTH CAROLINA IT'S THAT SAME FEEL HERE OR DO THEY OPEN UP AND ASK A RESTAURANT TO KIND OF BE THEIR PARTNER AS THEIR RESTAURANT? I THINK IT'S THEIR OWN LIKE A DAVE AND BUSTER'S AND, OKAY.
IT'S KINDA LIKE DAVE AND BUSTER'S OR BOWLING ALLEY ISH.
STYLE INSTEAD OF JUST INSTEAD OF BOWL.
PROBABLY LIKE LIGHT, LIKE BAR FOOD.
EVERYTHING DOWN PERFECT SPRING.
ANY OTHER FURTHER? YOU GUYS FINE WITH THIS ON CONSENT? YES.
ITEM NUMBER TWO BPC 25 0 6 0 0 2 FOR MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION FOR AN ELECTRONIC DISPLAY SCOREBOARD AT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY.
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WHITE PIKE.WE RECENTLY SAW THIS LAST MONTH WITH THE ORDINANCE CHANGE IN LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING CODE THAT DID GET PASSED ON SECOND READING AT CITY COMMISSION.
UM, MR. PETROWSKI, UM, DELIVERED THAT AND CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THIS IS JUST THEIR ACTUAL SITE PLAN, UM, FOR THEIR SCOREBOARD.
UM, IT'S REPLACING THE EXISTING SCOREBOARD.
SO THIS IS, THIS TRACK SCOREBOARD IS JUST TRACK ONLY THE EXISTING SCOREBOARD FOR FOOTBALL IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE WHERE THE NEW ONE WILL BE.
UM, HERE'S THE IMAGERY OF THE NEW ONE AND I'LL GO TO MORE ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF IT.
IT WILL MEET REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE MODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE AND ZONING CODE FOR DIMENSIONALLY EVERYTHING.
AND IT WILL BE KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD ALSO HAVE.
SO THIS IS JUST MEETING THAT AND THIS IS THEIR APPLICATION FOR IT.
SO THERE WAS CONFUSING LANGUAGE LAST TIME WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND I THINK THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO CLEAN IT UP.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP, IT'S CLEAR NOW WHAT'S ALLOWED TO
YEAH, IT WAS FAVORABLY RECOMMENDED, UM, BY YOU GUYS ON JUNE 2ND AND APPROVED BY SECOND READING BY THE CITY COMMISSION ON JUNE 23RD.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? GOOD WITH THIS ON CONSENT? YES.
ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR RIGHT NOW IS ITEM NUMBER THREE BPC 25 0 5 DASH ZERO FOUR FOR A SITE PLAN FOR ROSEBROOK SUBDIVISION SECTION ONE LOCATED AT 9 8 2 8 SPLIT LOG ROAD FOR THEIR AMENITY CENTER, THEIR NEW AMENITY CENTER, WHICH WILL, YOU GUYS SAW THIS A FEW, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO I BELIEVE.
UM, ON THE MAY 5TH MEETING WHEN THEY WERE KIND OF PLATTING OUT THEIR ROSEBROOK SOUTH, THEY INCLUDED THIS AS SECTION ONE OR PICKLEBALL AND ASSOCIATED PARKING WITH THE TENNIS COURT AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE GO WITH THE, HERE'S THE IMAGE OF IT.
THIS IS ONLY SECTION ONE RIGHT HERE.
UM, ON PLANNING SIDE MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL, NO CHANGES TO WHAT WE APPROVED A FEW WEEKS AGO MM-HMM
WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WAS THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, THE, THE OVERALL SHOWING, SHOWING THIS WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE MM-HMM
THIS IS THE MORE DETAILED, BUT WHEN THEY DID THIS ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, THEY'VE MADE NO CHANGES TO IT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPING SOUND LIKE A RETAINING WALL HAS BEEN ADDED.
AND YOU GUYS, UM, ANY ENGINEERED WALL YOU GUYS ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE.
SO YOU GUYS ARE ALSO APPROVING, UH, RETAINING WALL.
I THINK IT'S IT FOR THE PARKING LOT AREA.
IS THAT RIGHT, DEREK? THE RETAINING WALL? YEAH.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT YEAH.
AND I, I THINK THERE'S A GR A GRAY DROP RIGHT HERE HERE IF YOU WANNA ASK.
THE RETAINING WALL, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT, THERE'S SOME TREE EXISTING TREES WE'D LIKE TO SAVE BETWEEN THE NEXT LOT TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND THE PARKING.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE WALL.
IS IT GONNA BE THAT CONCRETE OR IS IT GONNA BE THAT STONE THAT WAS ON THE, LIKE IS IT GONNA BE THAT OR THE OTHER SLIDE UP AT THE TOP AND THE MIDDLE? SO THAT'S AN ENTRY COLUMN.
SO THIS, THIS WALL WRAP WRAPS AROUND THAT AND THE ROB, THE FACE OF IT GOES TO, IT'S TOWARD THE TREES RIGHT TO THE OPEN SPACE.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE UP ABOVE.
AND, AND THEN IT'S, I'M SORRY, AM I ALLOWED TO CON CONTRIBUTE HERE TO THE, THE, UH, STONE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE STONE COLUMNS OR THERE'S TWO ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT.
SO, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE PICTURE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT THE ACTUAL FACE OF THE WALL, IS THAT CORRECT ON THIS WALL? A WE'LL, THE STONE PATTERN OR NO, NO.
THAT REPRESENTS THE FINISH OF THE WALL.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE TWO ENTRANCE COLUMNS, STONE COLUMNS.
YOU GUYS GET OKAY WITH THIS? YES.
WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS ON REG ON CONSENT AND
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THREE ITEMS ON REGULAR.OUR FIRST REGULAR ITEM IS A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR HOLLY HILLS SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT 1521 FRANKLIN ROAD, WHICH IS ZONED R TWO.
UM, THERE'S A VICINITY MAP ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED OFF OF FRANKLIN ROAD AND THEN HOLLY, HOLLY TREE GAP IS RIGHT HERE.
AND IT, UM, ALL OF THIS KIND OF IS COUNTY PARCELS.
UM, HERE'S THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, THREE LOTS ON 19.35 ACRES.
THEY'RE PROPOSED LOTS WILL SHARE A SINGLE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
THIS IS IN OUR HILLSIDE PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO WHEN THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, AFTER THE FINAL PLOT'S BEEN APPROVED BY YOU GUYS AND RECORDED, YOU'LL SEE THESE LOTS AGAIN INDIVIDUALLY, UM, TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE, THERE IS 25% SLOPE ON THIS LOT, SO, OR ON THIS PARCEL.
SO WE'VE, UM, REQUIRED FOR THEM TO BE, UM, NOT VISIBLE FROM, UH, FROM FRANKLIN ROAD, FROM FRANKLIN ROAD AND FROM HOLLY TREE GAP.
SO FROM LIKE LOWER ELEVATIONS.
AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WILL HAVE ITS OWN, UH, STORM WATER DETENTION TO KIND OF, UM, MINIMIZE THE DISTURBANCE AS BEST AS, UH, WE COULD.
SO THERE WE HAVE ONE CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WHICH IS A DRIVEWAY, A PERMIT FROM TDOT WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A GRADING PERMIT.
AND THEN, UH, TDOT WILL NOT APPROVE PARKING WITHIN THE RIDE OF LIFE FOR THE CLUSTER BOX UNIT.
SO THEY'RE DOING A A THREE UNIT CLUSTER BOX DOWN, UM, AT THE ENTRANCE ON FRANKLIN ROAD.
SO THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT CLOSEUP OF EACH LOTS.
AND THEN, UM, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO, TO SHOW US, UM, HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT TO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 52 FEET JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.
AND THEN WE ALSO REQUIRED THEM TO SHOW US RENDERINGS THAT SHOW WINTER CONDITIONS.
'CAUSE FOR HP, UM, WE REQUIRE 75% COVERAGE EVEN IN WINTER CONDITIONS.
SO THERE'S A VIEW FROM FRANKLIN ROAD, A COUPLE OF THOSE RENDERINGS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME RENDERINGS FROM HOLLY TREE GAP.
AND THEN HERE'S SOME OF YOUR WINTER CONDITIONS FROM FRANKLIN ROAD.
IS THIS HOLLY TREE, IS THIS ON FRANKLIN ROAD? LIKE WHEN YOU START TO GO UP THE HILL AND THERE'S THOSE FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES, MRS. REEVES LIVED THERE.
IF ANYBODY, IT'S BEHIND, I BELIEVE BEHIND IT SAYS YOU HEAD TOWARD THE, SO THERE'S, THERE'S HOUSES RIGHT HERE IN FRONT, RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT'S THE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT'S HOLLY TREE WHITE HERE'S AND THE BIG WHITE HOUSE UP ON THE HILL OVER HERE.
WHERE'S THE, SOMEWHERE WHERE'S THE UM, BILLBOARD? IS THAT AT THE, IT IS ON THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.
AND THERE'S A TVA EASEMENT THAT SPLITS THIS PROPERTY.
RIGHT HERE, HERE THE POWER LINES GO UP THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
IS IT WHERE YOU JUST DID THE POINT ROOM? YEAH.
AND THEN THE, THE BILLBOARD IS OVER HERE ON THE PARCEL NEXT TO IT.
SO THE TVA A EASEMENT, LIKE THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE ONE DRIVEWAY AND HIT THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT EASEMENT AND TVA IS OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO WE REQUIRED TVA TO GIVE US APPROVAL.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY LIKE BUILDING INSIDE THE TVA A EASEMENT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE LIKE DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAYS.
IS THIS WHOLE, CAN YOU STAY ON THAT? YES.
IS EVERYTHING ON THAT LEFT SIDE OF FRANKLIN ROAD? THE WEST SIDE OF FRANKLIN ROAD? R TWO ZONED? 'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING YEAH, IT'S TO THE VERY CORNER OF HOLLY TREE GAP IS THE ONLY, UM, C ONE I THINK.
THERE'S GROVE PARK AND THERE ACADEMY IS, LET'S SEE, SORRY, HERE'S THE ACADEMY.
SO THE CORNER OF HOLLY TREE AND FRANKLIN ROW, THEN YOU'VE GOT GROVE PARK, AND THEN THIS IS THAT, UH, VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
BUT THEN YOU ARE GETTING INTO YOUR RESIDENTIAL RIGHT HERE, YOUR START OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN IT'S R TWO ALL THE WAY UP.
SO THE DIVISION IS BETWEEN THAT VACANT C TWO LOT AND THE BLANKENSHIP HOUSE ON, THAT'S R TWO.
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YEAH.AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME LIKE AR SPLIT IN THIS PROPERTY A LOT, BUT IT'S LIKE AR ALONG FRANKLIN ROAD AND THEN THE REST OF IT'S R TWO.
AND THEN SINCE IT'S HP, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S R TWO ZONING, WHICH IS A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE, HP REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES.
SO THESE ARE MORE THAN THREE ACRE LOTS.
IS IT A FAMILY OR IS IT GONNA BE A NEIGHBORHOOD? I DO NOT KNOW.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S THREE FAMILY HOUSES OR SOMETHING.
THAT ONE I'M GUESSING THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR SALE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD LIKE A FAMILY COMPOUND FOR THIS.
SO I WAS READING THE, UM, GEOLOGY REPORT, THE SOIL MM-HMM
REPORT AND FOUND THAT VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SEEMED VERY SHALLOW SO THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO PUT IN MAJOR FOUNDATION MAJOR, GET INTO THE BEDROCK, AND THEN THE COMPANY WAS DOING THAT WASN'T EVEN SURE THAT WOULD MAKE THE FOUNDATION SECURE THAT THE SLOPE IS SUCH A SLOPE AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH SOIL TO SECURE A BUILDING ON THAT SITE.
SO HOW DO YOU, YOU'RE STILL RECOMMENDING SPEAK THAT OVER THAT IF YOU, IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS.
ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION JUST A SECOND, BUT THAT'S FINE.
UM, THIS, THIS, UH, DEVELOPER HAS WORKED WITH US EXTENSIVELY TO MAKE IT SO THAT THESE HOUSES, THESE THREE HOUSES FIT ON THIS PARCEL OF LAND.
THEY STARTED OUT WITH FIVE LOTS AND WE JUST COULD NOT MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE AS ALLISON MENTIONED, UH, FOR AN HP LOT SUCH AS THIS, IF THERE'S 25% SLOPES AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM LOWER ELEVATIONS, THAT HOUSE ENVELOPE HAS TO BE SET BACK 50 FEET FROM THAT SLOPE.
SO THAT WOULD'VE KILLED THIS, UH, BEING ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE UP HERE BECAUSE THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO PLACE THAT'S 50 FEET EACH SIDE WHERE YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE, MAYBE ONE.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET, I WON'T GET IT DOWN TO THREE LOTS.
AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED INDICATE THAT THE HOUSES CAN'T IN FACT BE SEEN FROM LOWER ELEVATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY THE BUILDING ENVELOPES AND THOSE 25% SLOPES CAN COME UP CLOSER TO THE BUILDING ENVELOPE FOR THE HOUSE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE FOR YOU.
AND THEN THE 52 FOOT HEIGHT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT CAN BE BUILT HERE.
NOW TO GET TO YOUR, TO GET TO YOUR POINT, WHEN THESE HOUSES COME IN, COME IN FROM THEIR HILLSIDE PROTECTION REVIEW, EACH LOT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE HILLSIDE PROTECTION REVIEW.
A MORE DETAILED GEOTECHNICAL STUDY IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE OR CLEARLY EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY STRUCTURALLY FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THESE HOMES.
AND FOLLOWING THE HP APPROVAL, THERE IS ALSO GONNA BE A GRADING PERMIT.
SO THERE'S, AFTER THIS, THERE ARE TWO MORE LOOKS THAT ENGINEERING GETS AT THESE LOTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GRADED PROPERLY.
UH, PLANNING GETS TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, THAT THE HOUSES CAN BE SEEN FROM LOWER ELEVATIONS YOU DO AS WELL.
AND IF THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT WINDS UP, THEY WANNA BE 52 FEET, BUT HEY, IT'S FOUND THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE TOP OF THAT HOUSE, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DROP THAT DOWN.
SO I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
THERE IS COLONIAL SOILS NOTED IN THE REPORTS.
WE HAVE LOTS ALL OVER BRENTWOOD THAT HAVE COLONIAL SOIL.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENGINEER THAT DESIGNS THE FOUNDATIONS ARE DOING IT PROPERLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPERLY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO.
WHERE'S THE CITY LINE RIGHT BEHIND THIS? OKAY, SO IT'S RIGHT, THIS IS LIKE THE BORDER.
SO THIS IS ALL COUNTY AND THEN, OR I WOULD STOP SOMEWHERE OVER HERE ALSO.
SO, UM, AND THEN ALSO ALL THREE OF THESE HOMES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLERED 'CAUSE IT'S IN HP.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S HILLSIDE, THEY CAN'T, THERE'S NO CLEAR CUTTING.
THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE TREES PROTECTION.
BUT TO THAT, WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS WHEN THEY COME BACK TO ACTUALLY DO IT AND THEY DON'T.
AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO DO THIS.
AND NOT THAT IN YOUR, UM, PACKET, THEY'RE, THEY ARE SHOWING A TREE REMOVAL, SO THEY'RE KIND OF ONLY REALLY DOING IT.
LIKE, UM, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME GRADING FOR A LOT FOR DRAINAGE SOILS AND LOT LINES AND OBVIOUSLY THE DRIVEWAY AND, UH, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND TO GET THE STORM WATER IN.
BUT, UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS WILL SEE MORE
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DETAILED.SO THERE'S LIKE TWO MORE REVIEWS AFTER THIS ONE.
SO YOU SEE THIS AGAIN FOR THE ONE MORE.
AND THEN, UM, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
SO YOU MAY SEE ALL THREE LOTS AT ONE TIME, OR YOU MAY SEE THEM PERIODICALLY AS THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START BUILDING.
SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS WHICH ONE.
BUT YOU'LL SEE ALL, EVENTUALLY YOU'LL SEE ALL THREE OF 'EM ASSUMING THEY BUILD ALL THREE.
NEXT ONE IS, UM, A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR MORRIS TRACK SUBDIVISION OFF OF MOIN ROAD, ZONED R TWO.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS LOCATED OFF OF MOIN AS WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UM, SEEN AND APPROVED NEW DEVELOPMENTS OFF OF MOIN.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING OVER THERE.
AND THEN OUR CITY LIMITS IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS EITHER NOLANSVILLE OR THE COUNTY.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS, BUT THE TOTAL OF 10 ACRES AND THEY'RE PROPOSING SIX LOTS AND THERE'LL BE A CLUSTER BOX UNIT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, UM, IN BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN LOTS THREE AND FOUR TO ACCESS THE, UM, OPEN SPACE WHERE THE DETENTION IS.
ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO LIKE A PATHWAY OR WHATEVER SO PEOPLE CAN WALK BACK THERE OR THAT YOU DON'T KNOW? SO I DON'T THINK IT'S MEANT FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS 'CAUSE THAT WILL BE THERE.
YEAH, POND MAINTENANCE FOR THE DETENTION POND.
BUT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS, UM, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
LOOKS LIKE LOTS FIVE AND SIX ARE EXACTLY AT THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM TO THE HUNDREDTH OF A DECIMAL POINT.
UM, DO THE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT KNOW THESE ARE GOING IN? THIS IS GOING IN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO NOTIFY THEM? I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE AWARE OF NOT OR NOT.
SO YEAH, THEY'RE DOING BUY RIGHT, UH, DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I THINK THE HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS.
THEIR DRIVE COMES IN RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
UH, THIS ONE, THE, THE LOTS WOULD BUTT UP TO HERE.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THIS SIDE.
AND I, THEY PROBABLY NEED, IS THERE A HOUSE ON THE NO, HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE TO THE AREA.
THEY HAVE GOT SOME BUFFER BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE BACK OF THE LOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE PARCEL TO THE RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE, THERE'S, UH, HOUSE, BUT IT'S MORE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IS KIND OF RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE PARCEL WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE OR THE ENTRANCE DRIVE, NOT DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU ALL SEE THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF ONE, THERE'S JUST 25 CALIBER INCHES PER ACRE.
TREES AND ROCK WALL THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A 35, UH, FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOU THE HOUSE TO THE WEST AND THE BACK OF LOT WALL.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GOOD BUFFERING.
SO THEY'LL, AND THEN THERE'S SOME DETENTION BACK THERE TOO.
35 FOOT SETBACK WHAT? 35 FOOT SETBACK? YEAH.
AND THEN YEAH, THE LOTS ONE AND TWO HAVE LOTS.
THEY'VE GOT A, UM, AN INCREASED FOR YOUR SETBACK OF 35 FEET.
'CAUSE IT'S THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBDIVISION.
OUR STANDARD IS 30 IF THEY'VE GOT OPEN SPACE, WHICH THESE THREE THROUGH FIVE HAVE OPEN SPACE BEHIND 'EM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION OR RESPONSIBILITY TO TELL NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES THAT THERE'S NOW GONNA BE SIX HOMES NEXT TO 'EM.
BUT YOU CANNOT SEE THAT ON THE FARM.
SO OUR LAST ONE IS A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB SUBDIVISION.
UH, LOCATED IN THE PHASE 11 GOVERNOR'S CLUB IS ZONED OSRD STATE.
SO, UM, REAGAN SMITH ASSOCIATES REQUEST APPROVAL OF REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN TO CONVERT OPEN SPACE AREA 72, WHICH WAS A FORMER LOT 3 89, LOCATED AT 25 SAWGRASS LANE TO A BUILDABLE LOT.
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THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TO CONVERT LOT 3 89 TO OPEN SPACE WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JULY 5TH, 2005.UH, THIS PROPOSED THIS PROPOSAL RECONFIGURED LOT 3 0 3 BY ADDING AN ADJACENT OPEN SPACE AREA.
UH, IN EXCHANGE THE OWNER OF LOT 3 0 3 PURCHASED LOT 3 89 AND CONVERTED IT TO OPEN SPACE.
THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS APPROVED THE CORRESPONDING CHANGES TO THE OCD DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON JULY 25TH, 2005.
A, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS PLACED ON THIS PROJECT STATING THE LOSS OF LOT 3 89 WILL NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB TO GAIN ADDITIONAL LOTS AT A FUTURE DATE.
IT'S THE STAFF INTERPRETATION THAT THE INTENT OF THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF LOTS TO 4 33 OR FEWER.
THE GOVERNOR'S CLUB WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR A TOTAL OF 438 LOTS.
AND THEN OVER TIME, UM, THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH OF LIKE LOT REDUCTIONS AND LOT COMBINATIONS AND LOT SPLITS AND CONVERSIONS TO OPEN SPACE.
SO THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS GOING ON.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED EDITION OF LOT 3 89 WILL INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GOVERNOR'S CLUB TO 4 27 AS IT'S CURRENTLY SITTING AT 4 26, UM, WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO BY CREATING A NEW LOT, IT WON'T EXCEED THE ORIGINAL NUMBER OF 4 33.
UM, AND IT WILL STILL MEET ALL OF THE CURRENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OS 30 D DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTAIN A TOTAL OF 20.8 ACRES.
GOVERNOR'S CLUB, AGAIN, THEY'RE TRYING TO CONVERT.
SO REGULATE WAS A LOT AND THEN THEY CONVERTED INTO OPEN SPACE AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO GO BACK TO A LOT.
WHY? WELL WHY AFTER 20 YEARS? WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION FOR THAT MONEY? UH, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOTS ANYWHERE IN GOVERNOR'S CLUB? I THERE COULD BE OR OPPORTUNITIES TO OBVIOUSLY CONVERT OPEN SPACE TO A LOT.
AND BACK AS AS THEY'RE DOING NOW.
I MEAN, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS A LOT AND THEN IT WENT TO OPEN SPACE.
SO IT STILL STAY LIKE IT'S STILL STAYING IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION OF BUT THERE, ARE THERE ANY WHAT THE LOT ORIGINALLY WAS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER LOTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY LOTS THAT HAVE BECOME OPEN SPACE? LIKE IS THIS GONNA A ONE-OFF OR ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER FEES? SO, UM, YES IS THE ANSWER.
LET'S SEE IS THE ANSWER THERE COULD, THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN BECAUSE, BECAUSE SO THERE'S BEEN LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT'S KEEPING THEM WELL UNDER THE NUMBER OF THE ORIGINAL 4 33 THAT WAS ORIGINALLY MAX LOTS IS 4 33.
WELL, WELL ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE IT WAS 4 38.
AND THEY LOST SOME LOTS DUE TO TOPOGRAPHY.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE LOTS REALLY WOULDN'T WORK.
SO THE NUMBER GOT REDUCED TO DOWN TO AROUND I BELIEVE 4 33 IN 2005.
UM, AND THEN THERE HAD BEEN LIKE SHE SAID, SEVERAL COMBINATIONS AND SPLITS OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY OVER THE YEARS.
CURRENTLY THEY'RE AT 4 26, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO UP TO 4 27.
COULD THIS HAPPEN AGAIN? THEY COULD POTENTIALLY REQUEST IT AGAIN IF THEY MEET THE OSRD REQUIREMENTS.
BUT YOU KNOW, ARE THE, IS THE RATIO OF OPEN SPACE TO THE SAME AS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S 433 HOMES OR NOT, THEY HAVE, SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL THEY WILL HAVE 20.8 ACRES OF EXCESS OPEN SPACE.
IN 2005, DO YOU REMEMBER ELSE OPEN SPACE WISE? THERE'S STILL 20 LOTS UNDER THE REQUIREMENT.
LIKE THEY COULD ADD 20 LOTS THEORETICALLY 'CAUSE OF THE 20 THING, NOT THAT, I MEAN THEY WOULDN'T ABLE TO GET ABOVE SAY OPEN SPACE WISE, THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD 4 38.
BUT DO WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER LOTS THAT COULD COME? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE THIS ONE, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT.
SO THE NEXT ONE THEY SAY, WELL YOU JUST APPROVED US TURNING THIS ONE IN AND WE'RE STILL UNDER, NOT JUST HERE, BUT IN ANY DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE HAVE A FINAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL, LET'S JUST BE THE MAXIMUM LOTS AND THE RATIO ALLOWS THEN ANY DEVELOPMENT COULD COME BACK AND APPEAL AND TRY TO ADD LOTS.
BUT WE ARE UNDER, WE GAVE 'EM FOUR 30 OR WE DIDN'T GIVE 'EM 20 YEARS
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AGO THEY WERE GIVEN 'EM 4 38.IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? ORIGINALLY APPROVED AT 4 38 AS I RECALL.
UM, SOME OF THOSE LOTS WERE NOT DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY OR WHATEVER.
THEY WERE CONVERTED TO OPEN SPACE, I BELIEVE BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE, SOME SINKHOLE.
SO WE SETTLED AROUND 4 33 IN 2005.
CURRENTLY IT'S GONE UP AND DOWN WITH LOT COMBINATIONS AND LOT SPLITS.
AND SO WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, SO WHEN GETTING RID OF LOTS AND IT'S A, SORRY.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S, SO WHEN THEY PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS THIS COMING FROM LIKE THE HOA AND THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OKAY WITH A NEW HOUSE GOING IN OR IS THIS COMING FROM LIKE YEAH, WHO OWNS THE, WHO DEVELOPS GOVERNOR'S CLUB AND SO 20 YEARS LATER THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, I WANNA BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
THEY'RE THE APPLICANT AND THE HOA WILL MOST LIKELY SELL THE LOT TO A DEVELOPER.
JUST THE PROCESS OF, SO THIS IS THE HOA APPLYING SAYING HEY, WE HAVE TO APPLY TO MAKE THIS A LOT.
'CAUSE NO DEVELOPER'S GONNA BUY CAN CAN BUY OPEN SPACE.
BUT THE HOA SAYS, ALL RIGHT, NOW WE HAVE A FREE LOT DEVELOPER BUY FREE LOT AND DEVELOP IT TO ANOTHER HOUSE.
SO THIS WAS BEC THIS BECAME AN OPEN SPACE WHEN LOT OWNER 3 0 3 COMBINED A GREEN SPACE, AN OPEN SPACE AND HIS LOT.
SO TRADED AN OPEN SPACE FOR A LOT TO BECOME AN OPEN SPACE WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF LOTS BEING APPROVED.
BUT NOW WE'RE COMING BACK TO ASK, ASK IF THERE'S ANOTHER LOT AVAILABLE OR CAN ADD A LOT FROM WHAT WAS THE FINAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL PREVIOUSLY? LEMME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT IT.
BUT, AND I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SO NOW IT'S THE HOA NOT THE PERSON THAT TRADED OPEN.
HE'S LIKE, HEY, CAN I HAVE THIS OPEN SPACE? I'LL GIVE YOU THIS LOT OVER HERE.
SO HE USED THAT OFF OPEN SPACE TO DEVELOP.
AND SO NOW THE HOA YEARS LATER IS GOING, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS OPEN SPACE THAT WE DON'T NEED.
SO THE BACK INTO A LOT THREE BACK INTO A LOT.
SO ORIGINALLY WAS A LOT AND 3 0 3 WANTED A LARGER BUILDING ENVELOPE.
SO HE BOUGHT OPEN SPACE, HE BOUGHT A PIECE OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO 3 0 3, ADDED IT TO HIS LOT.
SO IN ORDER FOR HIM TO DO THAT, I GUESS HE PROPOSED A TRADE.
SO HE WENT, HE THEN WENT AND BOUGHT 3 89, WHICH IS THE PIECE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
AND THEN HE CONVERTED IT TO OPEN SPACE.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IF IN 2 0 5, 2005, THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT TO, TO DO THE SWAP AND MAKE THAT THE, THE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL TO, TO GO FROM OPEN SPACE TO AN OPEN SPACE IN A LOT THAT NOW TO ASK, AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING BACK ON YOUR 2005, BUT IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD NOW ASKING, SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO TURN OUR OPEN SPACE INTO ANOTHER LOT.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GUY.
LIKE IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU ERASE EVERYTHING AND IF THAT OPEN SPACE THAT HE BOUGHT COULD HAVE BEEN A DEVELOPABLE LOT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD HAVE JUST SAID, HEY, WE WANNA BUILD A LOT THERE.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR DIRT HERE, THEY NOW HAVE THEIR DIRT HERE.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS LOT AS MUCH AS IT HAS TO DO WITH GOVERNOR'S CLUB SAYING CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS THAT, THAT BE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LOTS, BUT THE MAX IS 4 33.
THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN 2005 STATED, UM, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT, UM, THE LOSS OF LOT 3 89 WILL NOT ALLOW GOVERNOR'S CLUB TO GAIN ADDITIONAL LOTS AT A FUTURE DATE.
HOWEVER IT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, THEY GAINED ADDITIONAL LOTS AFTER 2005.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT BEEN CONSISTENCY WITH THE APPROVALS.
SO STAFF LOOKED AT GONE ALL THE APPROVALS.
AND SO IT'S OUR BELIEF, I MEAN IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT THE INTENT WAS TO KEEP GOVERNOR'S CLUB UNDER THAT 4 33 NUMBER.
THAT THAT WAS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS IN 2005 BECAUSE OF THE INCONSISTENCY.
I MEAN WE HAD THAT CONDITION, BUT YET THERE WERE ADDITIONAL LOTS CREATED.
SO STAFF THINKS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF GOVERNOR'S CLUB SHOULD HAVE A MAX OF 433 LOTS, PERIOD.
NO MATTER, LIKE EVEN IF THEY FIND THEY KNOCK DOWN THE GOLF COURSE, DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, DECIDE MORE LOTS, IT'S STAFF'S BELIEF THAT THE, AT THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WAS 4 33 AT, AT THAT TIME.
IN 2005 AND NOW THEY HAVE 4 26.
WELL THIS SEVEN, THEY'RE TRYING TO GO TO 4 27.
UM, SO THERE'S STILL SEVEN UNDER, WELL, WELL, AND THE TOTAL TOTAL IS 4 38.
GRANTED, SOME OF THOSE LOTS WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BE BUILT LIKE BUILDABLE SOME OF THAT AREA BECAUSE,
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UM, THERE WAS CONVERSION TO OPEN SPACE DUE TO SINKHOLE.SO WOULD, THAT WOULD RENDER A LOT NOT BUILDABLE.
SO THAT'S DROPPED SOME OF THE, THAT DROPPED LIKE TWO OR THREE LOTS AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
IF, IF THE INTENT IN 2005 WAS TO HAVE NO MORE LOTS MM-HMM
THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC.
LIKE IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD HAVE SAID NO MORE LOTS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, IN NO WAY SHALL THE TOTAL LOT SUCCEED.
UH, 4 33 OR YOU KNOW, OR FOUR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL LOTS IF THEY MEET THE OSRD REQUIREMENTS.
NOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GOTTA GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL.
SO IT'S THEIR FINAL DECISION ANYWAY.
SO YOUR ACTION IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE TOO.
IT IT WILL BE BEFORE THEM, IT, YOU KNOW.
SO LIKE ONE OF THE LAST CHANGES IN GOVERNOR'S CLUB WAS A LOT SPLIT OF LOT 180.
UM, AND IT CREATED A NEW LOT 2 84, SO THAT, I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR FINAL, UM, NUMBER OF 4 26.
SO THAT WAS ONE PARCEL AND THEN THEY WENT TO TWO.
SO IT'S LIKE TODD SAID, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONSISTENCY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN LOT COMBINATIONS, LOT SPLITS, UH, LOT CONVERSIONS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF ALL OVER PLACE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'VE NEVER GONE ABOVE 4 33 OR ABOVE 4 38, WHICH IS WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY WERE APPROVED.
SOME OF THE LOTS WERE COMBINED RIGHT FROM THE YEAH.
THERE'S BEEN SOME COMBINATIONS OF LARGER ONES.
SOME, WE'VE SEEN SOME LOT SPLITS LIKE THIS ONE WHERE, I MEAN, I THINK THIS ONE WAS A TWO LOT AND THEN A LOT COMBINATION AND THEN A LOT SPLIT.
SO IT'S, THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY.
I MEAN WE'VE GOT A LIST OF LIKE 10 PLUS MEETINGS WHERE THERE WERE CHANGES TO GOVERNOR'S CLUB OF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THINGS THAT JUST MAKE THE, THE NUMBER DROP AND GO UP AND GO DOWN.
AND SO HOW DO WE FINALIZE THE NUMBER OF LOTS WE, WE RECOMMEND OR WE DON'T.
THE CITY COMMISSION DOES WE EVER MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OTHERWISE THAT STAYS FLUID IN PERPETUITY.
COULD WE AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, MAKE CLEAN UP THAT? YEAH.
SO IF WE WANT TO SAY IN AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS LOT WITH GOVERNOR'S CLUB HAVING A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF LOTS AT WHATEVER NUMBER WE SET.
YEAH, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE NOT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEN, THEN I, I WOULD CRAFT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SAYS WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS BUT WE'RE NOT.
AND WE'RE GONNA CAP IT AT 4 27.
WE SAY WE CAP IT AT 4 27 MOVING FORWARD.
UM, COULD YOU GIVE US THE HISTORY OF GOING FROM FOUR 30 BACK WITH SINK CALL LOTS AND STUFF.
I MEAN IT'S ONLY GONNA BE LIKE
I MEAN YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN 80% OF THE WAY THERE, SEE YEAH.
AND IF YOU JUST SAID, HEY, TWO LOTS WERE SINK CALLS, TWO LOTS WERE COMBINED.
SO THAT MEANS THERE'S NOW LOST FOUR.
SO NOW IN OUR HEAD WE GO FROM 4 33 TO 4 29.
JUST TO HELP US COME TO BACK MATH INTO A NUMBER.
BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA WANT, I THINK WE, I MEAN I'M NOT, WE CAN'T VOTE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA WANNA PUT A MAX NUMBER.
WE WANNA PUT IT IN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT THAT THEY HAVE ANY AGREE WITH THAT
WELL LOOK, I'LL THROW THIS OUT.
SO, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME AND DO THIS, BUT TODAY FOR AN OSRD REZONING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AN R TWO EQUIVALENT PLAN.
SO THEY WOULD SHOW US TWO LAYOUTS, AN OSRD LAYOUT AND AN R TWO LAYOUT AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GAIN MORE LOTS THAN AN R TWO WOULD ALLOW ON THAT PROPER SLIDE.
WE'VE GOT THAT TOOL TODAY WITH AN O WITH A NEW OSRD REZONING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT TOOL BACK THEN, SO, OKAY.
SO YOU CAN GIVE US THE NUMBER THAT IF THIS WERE AN R TWO CLEAN SLATE OF LAND, THE MAX NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET WOULD BE AND YOU'D BE BE ABLE TO SAY NO FOR, FOR A NEW OSRD REZONING.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US TWO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE REZONING, THEY'RE GONNA LAY OUT AN R TWO SUBDIVISION WITH TRUE ONE ACRE LOTS.
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DETENTION.HOW MANY LOTS WILL IT YIELD? 34.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER YOU CAN GET WITH AN OSRD LAYOUT.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BACK, BACK THEN.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM
DOES UH, THE NEIGHBOR ON LOT THREE 90 KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING, THEY PRESUMABLY BOUGHT AND BUILT THIS HOUSE THINKING THIS WAS GREEN SPACE.
DO WE KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN TOLD OR APPROVED THIS HAPPENING? YOU TALKING ABOUT AT 23 SAW GRASS? YEAH.
THAT'S A QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK.
AND ALSO, IS THAT HILLSIDE PROTECTION? NO.
I DO NOT, I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED.
YES, IT'S TRANSITIONAL, UH, SLOPE OF 15% AND IT WILL REQUIRE AN ENGINEERED SITE PLAN.
WHAT THE 25 SAWGRASS IS 15%? YEAH.
SO TRANSITIONAL LOT IS A SLOPE OF AT LEAST 25%, 15, 15%.
AND THOSE REQUIRE ENGINEERED SITE PLANS.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THE ADJACENT LOT HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A REZONING, WE DON'T REQUIRE, THE CITY DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO BE BE NOTIFIED.
I MEAN, I MEAN IT IS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SOME OTHER NEIGHBOR ACROSS PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS WE'VE GOT.
THERE WILL BE A, UH, IN THE, I THINK WE MENTIONED AT OUR LAST, ONE OF OUR LAST MEETINGS, UM, TAMPA DOES A FALL CONFERENCE FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEMBERS.
IT'S COMING BACK TO COOL SPRINGS IN THE FALL AND IT WILL BE OCTOBER 20TH TO THE 22ND WHEN THAT GETS RELEASED.
WE'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW AND IF YOU WANNA GO, JUST LET US KNOW AND WE CAN ASSIGN YOU GUYS UP TO ATTEND.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE, IS THAT CONTINUING EDUCATION? IT IS FOR CONTINUING EDUCATION.
AND THEY WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC SESSION FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEMBERS.
SO YOU GUYS DO GET YOUR CONTINUING ED, UM, CREDIT HOURS FOR THAT.
I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A WONDERFUL FOURTH OF PRIDE.
THERE'S RED, WHITE, AND BOOM ON FRIDAY NIGHT EXPECTING AT LEAST 10,000 WITH FOOD TRUCKS.