[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing June 19, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the June 23rd Agendas, the items below will be discussed: Presentation of the Website Refresh STV Gateway Signage Presentation This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
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IS THAT THE INFORMATION YOU GET AND STATE LAW KIND OF GOVERNS THIS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH HARD ALCOHOL VERSUS BEER.
BUT GENERALLY THERE ISN'T ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED.
IT, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE APPLICANT'S, AND THAT'S BEEN THE HISTORIC PROCESS IN MY UNDERSTANDING.
UH, THE SECOND ONE, RONE PRODUCTIONS INC.
FOR A SPECIAL, UH, EVENT, BEER PERMIT FOR A PRINT VEST.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE, OBVIOUSLY.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE? OKAY.
MOVING ON, UH, TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING.
WE START WITH, UH, I FORGET THROUGH THE PRELIMINARIES, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH IS, YOU'VE SEEN, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE HAVE THE, UH, ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, THE 0.19 TAX RATE, WHICH IS REDUCTION IN RATE, BUT EQUALS AGAIN, THE SAME, UH, AMOUNT OF ROUGHLY OF REVENUE THAT YOU'D EXPECT TO GET ALREADY, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
SO THEN AS WE GO INTO OUR AGENDA, UH, WE START WITH THE CONSENT.
UH, SO, ALL RIGHT, MAKE SURE I'M CAUGHT UP HERE.
SO THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE ON YOUR CONSENT IS THE ORDINANCE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE AS WELL, IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE, UH, FOR THE SURFACE INSTITUTION DISTRICTS FOR THE SCIENCE.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE BILLBOARDS, UH, BILLBOARDS, THE SCOREBOARDS.
UM, AND THIS WAS, AGAIN, REQUEST FROM BRENTWOOD ACADEMY.
AND, UH, IT'S BECAUSE BASICALLY THE TWO, UH, PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE VERY LITTLE OFF OF OUR CODE, WHICH THEY CAN DO.
UH, HISTORICALLY THEY DON'T, THEY CAN DO.
AND, UH, THIS BASICALLY, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SCOREBOARDS AND THE, THE ESTABLISHED FIXED, UH, ADVERTISING AREA SO THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE KIND OF WORKING UNDER THE SAME RULES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT, SO I DON'T WANT GO TOO FAST, BUT I DON'T WANNA LOSE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME EITHER.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO, IN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE, THE BUDGET, UH, UH, HE IS YOUR KIND OF YOUR BIG APPRO, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT ORDINANCE.
IT DOES, AGAIN, A COUPLE THINGS.
IT ESTABLISHES THOSE MAJOR TRANSFERS, UH, FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, YOU END UP WITH ROUGHLY NINE TO 10 MILLION TYPICALLY AT THE END.
AND YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, YOUR FACILITIES, AND YOUR EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT'S THE ONE MAJOR THING IT DOES.
THE OTHER THING IT DOES IS IT ENSURES THAT YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW ON ANY SPENDING THAT WOULD EXCEED THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
SO IT, IT MAKES GOOD IN ALL OF THAT AND EQUALIZES IT FOR YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOUR DRUG FUND, AND ALL YOUR, ANY OTHER FUND IN WHICH THERE'S A, THAT GENERALLY MOST OF THESE ARE BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND SPENDING THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION HAD ALREADY SEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND SO, SO INSTEAD OF TAKING ALL THOSE ACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT, IT JUST, UH, BRINGS 'EM ALL TOGETHER IN THE BUNDLE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? OKAY.
RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, AGAIN, PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IT'S A FIVE YEAR, UH, PROGRAM FOR LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITY NEEDS.
UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, $208,409,000 INVESTMENT OVER THAT TERM.
ABOUT 70% OF THE EXPENDITURES ARE RELATED TO VARIOUS TRANSPORTATION UTILITY PROJECTS, UH, ABOUT 11% TO CITY FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.
AND THE REMAINING ARE FOR PARKS TECHNOLOGY, STORM DRAINAGE, AND OTHER THINGS.
AND THAT I WOULD, UH, I DO WANNA REMIND YOU AS WELL, UH, WE'LL WANT TO PROBABLY GET YOUR, UH, VAC SEAT FILLED.
WE'LL COME BACK 'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S SOME CAPITAL ITEMS YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT AND PERHAPS EVEN CONSIDER REALLOCATION.
SO, UH, EVEN THIS IS ADOPTED, YOU, WE'LL COME BACK AND IF YOU CHOOSE AT THAT POINT TO AMEND ANYTHING, WE CAN BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT WITHOUT A PROBLEM FOR YOU.
RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE NON-ROUTINE WORK PLAN FOR CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE I'VE SEEN THIS TYPE OF APPROACH FOR WHAT I CALL INITIATIVES, UH, THAT THE FUNCTIONS ARE DOING.
SO I LIKE HIGHLIGHTING, HIGHLIGHTING THEM THIS WAY.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND INITIATIVE THAT ARE UNDERTAKEN IN THE NEXT 12 YEARS THAT ARE NOT THE TYPICAL ROUTINE TYPE THINGS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO STAND OUT.
IT, UH, HELPS, UH, DIRECT THE STAFF RESOURCES AND GIVE US PRIORITIES.
AND IT HELPS YOU THEN TO GO BACK AND BETTER, UH, ABLE BE BETTER, BE ABLE TO MEASURE PERFORMANCE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT YOU'RE IN.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? AGAIN, IT'S BUILT INTO YOUR BUDGET AS WELL, A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE, UH, UH, UH, CLASSIFICATION AND PAY PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
AGAIN, THIS IS TYPICALLY DONE ANNUALLY, AND IT'S WITH THE INTENT OF ATTRACTING AND RETAINING THE BEST TALENT.
AND WE ALL KNOW IT'S A COMPETITION FOR TALENT AND, AND THE SPOUSE NEED TO HAVE THAT TALENT.
UH, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS, UH, WE DO, UH, TRY TO LOOK AT THE SALARY COMPARISONS, UH, BETWEEN AND AMONGST OUR OWN POSITIONS, AS WELL AS, UH, OUTSIDE COMPARABLES AND OTHER TENNESSEE GOVERNMENTS, AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE WE CAN, UH,
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WHERE WE NEED THAT AND WHERE WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION.UM, THAT INFORMATION'S USED TO DEVELOP PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT ARE INCORPORATED ANNUALLY.
UM, IN OCTOBER OF, UH, 22, WE ENGAGED, UH, BURRIS THOMPSON ASSOCIATES TO COMPLETE A SYSTEM, A SYSTEMATIC AND IN DEPTH REVIEW OF THE PAY PLAN AND THE CLASSIFICATIONS.
AND THAT HAD A GOAL OF BEING IN THE 90TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET SO WE COULD BE REALLY COMPETITIVE FOR TALENT.
AND SO THOSE CHANGES WERE INCLUDED.
AND, UH, EFFECTIVE 2024 ANNUAL BUDGET AND THE 2025 BUDGET IN THE CURRENT YEAR, THERE ARE ONLY MINOR ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE OF USING THAT INFORMATION.
UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT IN THE 26TH YEAR AS WELL.
SO THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS THAT, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE BUDGET, I'LL HIT REAL QUICK, ARE 3% ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE MARKET FOR THE PAY PLAN.
THAT HELPS US ADJUST TO THE MARKET CHANGES, 2% MERIT POOL.
AND SO DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE DISCRETION, UH, WITHIN THAT 2%.
AND SO, UH, THOSE ARE BUILT IN.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, DURING THE BUDGET, UH, UH, PRESENTATION SOME TIME AGO.
AND THEN THERE ARE, UH, SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS HERE.
UH, FIVE ITEMS, UH, WE HAVE IS NOW JOINING
UM, WE HAVE ONE NEW JOB TITLE WITHIN THE PAY PLAN.
WE HAVE, UH, THE ADDITION OF ONE NEW POSITION AND ELIMINATION OF A POSITION.
AND WE HAVE, UH, FIVE RECLASSIFICATION.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, WE HAVE, UH, FIRST ITEM IS TECHNICAL SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR, UH, IS, UH, INCLUDED, UH, FOR THE LIBRARY, UH, IN THE LIBRARY.
UH, SO THE, UH, IT GOES FROM THE LIBRARY TECHNICAL SERVICE SUPERVISOR, UH, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THE, THE, UH, POSITION USED TO BE.
SO IT'S A SERVICES ADMINISTRATOR AND CLASSIFICATION ONLY.
SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE HEADCOUNT, UH, AND, UH, DOESN'T RESULT IN THE PAY CHANGE.
THE SECOND ITEM IS A CIRCULATE CIRCULATION SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR JOB TITLE, WHICH IS A NEW TITLE.
IT'S A RECLASSIFICATION OF A LIBRARY CIRCULATION SUPERVISOR.
AGAIN, NO CHANGE IN THE HEADCOUNT, NO CHANGE IN THE COST, BECAUSE THE ELIMINATION, THE POSITION I MENTIONED IS THE ASSISTANT LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
SO THERE'S SOME, SO THOSE HELP WITH THAT.
THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, UH, KIND OF SWITCHING OF RESPONSIBILITIES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT IN ESSENCE, IT MAKES IT, UH, GENERALLY BUDGET NEUTRAL FOR YOU.
UH, AND POSITION NEUTRAL AS WELL.
WE HAVE RECLASSIFICATION OF THREE FIRE ENGINEER DRIVERS TO FIRE LIEUTENANTS.
AND, UH, UH, THOSE POSITIONS THE, UH, DO NOT ADD TO THE HEAD COUNT OF THE DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A, A BUDGET COST OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE JUST OVER $20,000 IN 2026.
SO THE FULL COST OF, OF THOSE CHANGES ARE IN THE 2027 YEAR.
THOSE, UH, CHANGES ARE NECESSARY TO PLACE SUPERVISORY POSITION ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, LADDER TRUCKS FOR ALL THREE SHIFTS.
SO THAT WILL, UH, PUT, PUT THEM WHERE THE PLAN IS, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE IN THE PROPER RANK FOR THOSE ROLES.
UH, WE HAVE A HUMAN RESOURCES SPECIALIST POSITION, WHICH IS A NEW POSITION.
IT DOESN'T, AGAIN, DOESN'T ADD TO THE HEAD COUNT OF THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT PROVIDES, IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR UPWARD MOBILITY, UH, FOR AN SPECIALIST POSITION, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE COMPLEX ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND THEN FINALLY, A STAFF ENGINEER WAS ADDED TO THE PERSONNEL SCHEDULE.
UH, THIS IS IN, IN THE ENGINEERING FUNCTION, AND IT SERVES AS A TECHNICAL LIAISON TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, ON, ON ALL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ITEMS. AND SO, UH, IN ESSENCE, WE'LL PROBABLY BY DEFAULT CALL THAT PERSON A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO.
AND WE, WE DO KNOW WE HAVE SOME TRAFFIC CHALLENGES AND IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN TO HELP US ADDRESS THOSE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THOSE? OKAY.
TOTAL, JUST TOTAL IMPACT, REAL QUICK IS 1.6 MILLION OF ALL, OF ALL THE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT, INCLUDING THE, ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE, UH, MERITS 1.6 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND, ROUGHLY, UH, UH, IN THE, UH, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT FUNDS 52,000 AND 130,000 TO THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT.
MOVING ON, WE HAVE A, UH, REVISED, UH, O-S-R-D-A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ARCADIA SUBDIVISION.
THIS ONE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IF, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, UH, THERE'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SUBDIVISION LOOKS LIKE.
AND OUR FOCUS IS DOWN RIGHT IN THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE AT THE ENTRANCE FROM THE EAST SIDE.
AND, UM, THAT IS, UH, THE ONLY THING THEY'RE REALLY CHANGING HERE IS TO ADD A DECK, A FENCE, AND IT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL FOUR FOOT BLACK HORSE FENCE THAT UTILIZES A CROSS BUCK PATTERN THAT YOU SEE IN TOWN.
UM, IT'LL BE INSTALLED THREE FEET BEHIND THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE, UH, LOYOLA DRIVE, WHICH IS THAT MAIN DRIVE RIGHT HERE.
AND THE REASON IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE OPEN SPACE.
I WOULD SAY AT SOME POINT, I, I WOULD AMEND THE CODE FOR THIS, BUT AT SOME POINT, IF YOU'RE DOING SOME HOUSEKEEPING, UH, CODE UPDATE ITEMS, IF THERE'S GOOD CLARITY AND YOU SAY, WELL, THESE FENCES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTABLE, THEY'RE NICE OR DECORATIVE, WE LIKE THEM, THEY'RE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU COULD THROW THOSE
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IN AND IT COULD BE PRETTY EASY TO STANDARDIZE THOSE AND CLEAN UP YOUR AGENDA IF YOU WANT.UH, THOSE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER.
'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T PROBABLY DO THAT.
JUST FOR THIS ITEM, JUST A THOUGHT ONE RAY, WAS THE THOUGHT TO HAVE, HAVE IT IN THERE JUST SO PEOPLE DO COME BACK FOR US JUST TO GIVE US ANOTHER LOOK BECAUSE IT HASN'T CREATED A LOT, A LOT OF NOISE.
OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT, AND WHAT WOULD IT BE FOUND? UM, AS FAR AS THE, WELL, IN TERMS, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECIFIC THINGS.
PEOPLE COME BACK TO US FOR, YOU KNOW, MINOR CHANGES INSIDE OSRD.
BUT HAS THAT BEEN SOMETHING, WAS THAT SORT OF INTENTIONAL, JUST SO OSRD KNOWS THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO MAKE 'EM THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE? WELL, YEAH.
I THINK WHEN IT, OF COURSE, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE MM-HMM
IN FACT, I THINK IT WAS, YOU MAY KNOW TODD, IT WAS LIKE MAYBE IN THE NINETIES WHEN OSRD WAS, WAS ESTABLISHED.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IT JUST WASN'T SURE WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE FOR SEVERAL BEFORE IT.
I THINK IT'S JUST ANY CHANGE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT, IT WAS NOT AWAY FROM THE ONE ACRE DENSITY BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THAT, BUT BECAUSE A LOT CAN BE LESS THAN ONE ACRE.
I THINK ANYTHING IN THERE IN THE OPEN SPACE WAS SO IMPORTANT TO THE, TO THE FINDING OF IT, THAT THAT'S WHY IT ALWAYS HAD TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
DID IT FEEL LIKE WE, WE SEE THIS MAYBE ONE OR TWO TIMES A YEAR THAT THE, THE, THE FEELING WAS IS IT'S SO SPECIFIC, JUST SO THAT IF SOMEONE'S THINKING ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN.
JUST TO MAKE 'EM THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER.
UM, BEFORE THEY DIG, GO AROUND AND STUFF.
HISTORICALLY, WELL, THE CODE SAYS ANY CHANGE TO THE OPEN SPACE AREA, ANY ADDITION OR REDUCTION, AND THEN ANY IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE, RIGHT.
AMENITY CENTER, GAZEBO, FENCES, ANY IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE.
THE CITY COMMISSION HAS WANTED TO SEE THAT.
IF YOU DID EVER WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU'D BE VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT THE ITEM IS, SUCH AS OFFENSE VERSUS A RECREATION AREA.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.
AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY CRITERIA, PRESCRIPTIVE CRITERIA AROUND IT, YOU'D STILL REQUIRE A PERMIT.
YOU WOULDN'T JUST NOT, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA BE SILENT ON IT, FOR SURE.
ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT LATER ON IF THERE'S A RECENT UPDATE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE INUNDATED WITH A BUNCH OF THESE.
AND I DO THINK IT KEEPS EVERYBODY HONEST THINKING ABOUT THEY GOTTA DO THESE AND, UH, THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT.
BUT THERE'S JUST A FEW OF THEM A YEAR, NOT, IT'S NOT A LOT.
YEAH, THIS, UH, GIVES YOU A LITTLE IDEA, JUST A LITTLE PICTURE, BUT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING THOSE FENCES AROUND SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, NEXT ITEM, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT WITH CUMBERLAND PIPELINE, LLC FOR WILSON PIKE WATERLINE OBJECT.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY BIG PROJECT ISSUE.
IT IS, UH, ABOUT 3,200 FEET OF EXISTING 12 INCH WATER PIPE, UH, UPGRADED 16 INCH, UH, BETWEEN TWIN SPRINGS AND CROCKETT ROAD, UH, ON, ON WILSON PIKE.
AND SO THIS IS A, THIS IS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF YOUR FUTURE DEMANDS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE SMALL SHOW YOU HERE.
THERE'S A, A GOOD MAP INDICATION.
IT SHOWS THE WILSON PIPE PIKE SECTION ON THE LEFT, AND THEN A COUPLE SMALL, LITTLE, UH, WATER PROJECTS AS WELL THAT WERE REBID BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE BID BEFORE AND IT CAME IN VERY HIGH BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL PROJECTS AND CONTRACTORS ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, LARGER PROJECTS.
SO THEY WERE BROUGHT IN WITH THIS BID.
AND, UH, IN THAT, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE ESTIMATE SAVING AROUND $160,000 ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS, WHICH JUST DID COMBINE, DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
UM, SO WE HAVE THAT IN AND WE HAVE, UH, THE BIDS RANGE FROM 2.144 MILLION, JUST OVER THAT TO A HIGH OF 3.374 LOW BID, IF IT'S EXACTLY 2 MILLION.
144,200 IS FROM CUMBERLAND PIPELINE, LLC AND COLUMBIA, UH, KENTUCKY.
AND IT'S NOT A CONTRACTOR WE'VE USED, BUT THEY, UH, DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND REALLY CALLED THE REFERENCES AND CHECKED.
AND, AND THE CONTRACTOR'S DONE A LOT OF WORK, UH, IN TENNESSEE, IN IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE AS WELL, AND HAS REALLY GREAT REFERENCES TO THE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM.
SO THE BUDGET WAS 2.75 MILLION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER THAT.
AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD WHEN YOU CAN GET A PROJECT DONE UNDER BUDGET.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR, UH, CHRIS, BUT WHAT IMPACT DO YOU THINK THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE ON TRAFFIC ON WILSON PIKE? THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD QUESTION FOR CHRIS.
WELL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TDOT ROAD, SO WE HAD TO FILE FOR PERMITS FOR RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S A TRAFFIC PLAN THAT TDOT HAD TO SIGN OFF ON, UH, DAY IN.
I MEAN, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, DAY IN, DAY OUT, THEY'RE GONNA BE OFF IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I DON'T THINK THE IMPACT'S HUGE, BUT I'M SURE THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE EQUIPMENT AROUND AND THAT KIND OF THING WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY WORK WITH CHARLES AND, AND SEND OUT NOTICES THAT MAY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE FLAGGING TODAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING.
SO THEY'LL LOOKING INTO LANE CLOSURES FOR ANY KIND OF EXTENDED PERIOD.
NO, I MEAN, THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ROADS GOTTA STAY OPEN EXCEPT
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FOR PERIODIC TIMES, UH, WHEN WE MOVE EQUIPMENT AROUND AND STUFF.BUT DAY IN, DAY OUT, THE ROAD'S GOTTA STAY OPEN.
AND WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GETS DONE OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS OR OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL YEARS.
LIKE IS THIS A SUMMERTIME PROJECT? IT'LL GET STARTED.
IT'LL GET STARTED IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS, AND YOU CONTINUE INTO ABOUT, I THINK FEBRUARY, MARCH-ISH TIMEFRAME.
OH, SO NOT EVEN, YEAH, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO BIKE TRAIL OR SIDEWALK IN THIS AREA.
WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ANNUAL PROCUREMENT MATERIALS AND SERVICES AND AMOUNTS EQUAL TO ARE EXCEEDING $25,000 FOR DESIGNATED VENDORS.
THIS IS AN ITEM YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU SAW LAST YEAR, BUT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
THOSE OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S AN ATTEMPT NOT TO HAVE TO CLUTTER YOUR AGENDA EVERY TIME.
WE HAVE A VENDOR THAT WE USE FOR WHAT ARE VERY ROUTINE TYPE PURCHASES, UH, THINGS WE PURCHASE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT IN TOTAL WOULD EXCEED 25,000.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT A SINGLE PURCHASE, IT'S ABOUT THOSE THAT IN AGGREGATE.
AND SO WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO, UH, TAKE ACTIONS INTERNALLY TO REDUCE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT IN ORDER TO, UH, BE, UH, COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, YOU DO HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THOSE.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS AN AUTHORIZATION.
IT HELPS US FOR THE CURRENT YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND THAT, UH, THOSE VENDORS IN WHICH WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE, UH, PURCHASES OF THE SAME, LIKE ITEMS FROM THE SAME VENDOR THAT WOULD EXCEED 25,000 ARE AUTHORIZED.
SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A BIT OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
WE'RE STILL KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE LOOK, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THIS ITEM MOST EFFICIENTLY, BUT THIS, UH, GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO BE, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT.
WE HAVE APPROVAL TO PURCHASE MOTOROLA ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR THE 700 MEGAHERTZ RADIO SYSTEM.
AND THIS IS THE COUNTYWIDE SYSTEM OF WHICH WE'RE A PARTNER THROUGH IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY, UH, AS PART OF THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY JOINT COMMUNICATIONS NETWORK AUTHORITY.
WHEN YOU SEE THOSE, UH, ACRONYM ON A MEETING AGENDA, IT REALLY KIND OF THROWS YOU WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE PARTNERS WITH, UH, FRANKLIN AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AND THAT GOES BACK TO, UH, 2014, AND THEN THE SYSTEM GOES BACK TO 2016 AND IT'S A 12 SITE, 14 CHANNEL, 700 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM.
AND SO PART OF OUR ROLE IS TO PROPORTIONALIZE THE COST OF MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THE, OUR PROPORTION FOR 26 IS, UH, $217,692.
SO A DECENT NUMBER, BUT A PRETTY ROUTINE ITEM.
MIMECAST, THEY BASICALLY, UH, IT'S A, THE SOFTWARE USED, IT'S A IT IN IT, AND IT, IT'S ONE THAT IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE USED IT OR NOT, YOU PROBABLY, YOU MAY HAVE ON, ON FOR THE EMAIL, BUT YEAH, WE, UM, YOU, YOU SEE IT, SO YEAH, IT MAKES SURE YOUR EMAIL'S PRETTY CLEAN.
IT DOESN'T WANT YOU, IF IT'S SCARED AT ALL OF THE EMAILS, IT'S GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT.
UM, ANYWAY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE CHANGED THE PRODUCT A LITTLE BIT.
WE WANT TO BE SURE WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE THEIR PRODUCTS, GOOD PRODUCT, AND IT'S AN UPGRADED PRODUCT.
SO, UM, THIS WILL, UH, PROVE THE PURCHASE FOR THAT.
AND IT GIVES US A RECOMMENDED SOLUTION.
IT'S ONLY, IT'S AN INCREASE IN COST OF ABOUT, UH, JUST UNDER, UH, $3,900.
TOTAL COST FOR THE WHOLE, FOR THE PRODUCT IS 80,000 631 0 7.
AND WE HAVE APPROVAL PURCHASE TRUCK FOR THE WATER SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
THIS WAS ONE THAT IN 24, UH, THIS COMMISSION AUTHORIZED PURCHASE AND THE COST WAS JUST ALMOST AT $44,000 FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE TRUCK.
AT THE TIME, IT WAS A CHEVY TRUCK.
UM, HE AUTHORIZED IT, IT WAS ORDERED FROM WILSON COUNTY MOTORS.
UM, IT WAS THROUGH THE PURCHASING, UH, TENNESSEE'S PURCHASING PROGRAM.
AND, UH, OUR STANDARD IS WHITE TRUCK AND WE GOT A BLACK ONE.
I MEAN, EVEN OFFWHITE MAY HAVE BEEN OKAY.
YOU DON'T SEE, AT LEAST THEY STAYED WITH NEUTRAL COLORS.
SO WE TRIED TO WORK THROUGH IT AND HONESTLY, OUR TIMELINES ARE ALL MESSED UP FOR TRYING TO DO THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH CHEVROLET.
AND, UH, SO IN THE END, THEY FOUND A, UH, VEHICLE AND IT'S FROM LON CO FORD IN HENDERSON, TENNESSEE.
AND SO WE HAVE A STATE CONTRACT PRICE ON THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S A COMPARABLE VEHICLE.
IF THAT'S AUTHORIZED, THEN WE'VE ALREADY WORKED OUT WITH WILSON COUNTY MOTORS.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE? HERE? THAT'S WHAT THE WHITE DIRECT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW RIGHT.
WAS THE BLACK ONE ANY MORE OR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE WHITE ONE? OR IS IT UH, I, NO, THE COLOR'S NOT THE DIFFERENCE.
THE COLOR WOULD THE DIFFERENCE.
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THE, UH, YEAH.SO DIDN'T KNOW IF THE FORD PRODUCT WAS PRICE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE CHEVY PRODUCT.
FORD PRODUCT UNDER THE STATE CONTRACT.
THAT'S TOO BAD FOR THE SAME TRUCK.
YEAH, BUT THE FORD HAD, THEY GOT ONE SITTING ON THE LOT AND IT'S READY TO GO.
WE TRIED TO WORK IT OUT WITH CHEVY, BUT THE CHEVROLET, THE MANUFACTURER HAD SHUT DOWN TAKING ORDERS BY THE TIME.
WE'D RECEIVED THE TRUCK SO THEY COULDN'T REORDER A TRUCK.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE FALL TO REORDER AND THEN WE WOULD GET A NEW PRICE IN THE FALL, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FOUR THAT'S AVAILABLE NOW ON THE LOTS.
IT WAS EITHER THAT OR JUST A WHOLE REVERSE GRAPHIC CAPACITATION START ALL OVER AGAIN.
WELL THEY OFFERED THE RABBIT THOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT.
UNDER OLD BUSINESS, WE HAVE AN APP, UH, APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE CITY.
AGAIN, UH, THAT'S THE BUDGET AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET, UH, WE CAN COVER THOSE.
BUT I WANNA GET INTO THE MORE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU TYPICALLY TAKE ACTION ON AS A, AS A COMMISSION.
UH, BUT YOU'RE AWARE IN THE BUDGET, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX.
UH, SO, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A LOWERING RATE, BUT IN ESSENCE ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT, UH, IF, IF YOUR PROPERTY WENT UP THE AVERAGE OF THE CITY, YOU WOULDN'T SEE AN INCREASE IN YOUR PROPERTY TAX IF YOU WENT UP HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE PERCENT INCREASE.
IF IT'S LOWER, YOU MIGHT SEE A DECREASE.
BUT IT, UH, IT KEEPS THE, UH, ACTUAL ESTIMATED INCOME FROM, FROM THAT REV OR REVENUE FROM THE PROPERTY TAX THE SAME.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIG PART OF THE STORY.
AND, UH, WE'VE TAKEN YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE BUDGET.
SO I WON'T KNOW, I WON'T TAKE HALF A DAY TO DO THAT.
UH, SO YOU HAVE THAT SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT TYPICALLY, UH, YOU WOULD, UH, AND HAVE DESIRE TO ACT ON.
SO I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE FIRST AS THE EDUCATION APPROPRIATIONS.
AND SO THESE ARE SET UP SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR EACH OF THESE.
SO THE FIRST ONE ALLOCATES TO THE SCHOOLS, AND, UH, IT HAS, UH, 62, WELL, YOU CAN SEE 62 4 FOR THE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS.
15,600 FOR THE, FOR THE MIDDLE THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND 10,400 EACH FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
NOW, THERE'S A CAVEAT TO THAT.
IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, THE, UH, AMOUNT ALLOCATED TO SUNSET ELEMENTARY IS 2009 45.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO KIND OF PRO RATING.
AND THAT'S SIMPLY DUE TO THE ENROLLMENT, UH, BEING THEY'RE ON THE EDGE AND THE ENROLLMENT BEING, UH, LESS THAN 50% OF THE BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU SET IT THE SAME AS THE OTHERS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY GET THE ENROLLMENT, WE CAN MODIFY IF YOU WISH TO USE THAT APPROACH.
WE CAN MODIFY AS AS YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE HISTORICALLY.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, FOR THE RECREATION PROGRAMS, WE HAVE, UH, DID, DID WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THESE ONE CATEGORY AT A TIME OR TALK ABOUT IT AS A PACKAGE AT THE END? TALK ABOUT IT AS WE GO.
YEAH, SO ON, ON THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE SAME NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN USING SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE LAST TIME WE VISITED THEM WAS.
WELL, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO, TO CHANGE 'EM BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ALL THE BUDGET MEETINGS.
I JUST, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO I GUESS MAYBE PUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND FOR, FOR THE NEXT YEAR AS WE START THE BUDGET MEETINGS, WHETHER OR NOT WE GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THESE AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE 'EM SOME FRESH EYES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST DURING THE TIME, AND RAY, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE LAST TIME THEY'VE BEEN REVISITED, IF, IF YOU LIKE 2017, BE RIGHT BEFORE YOU WERE ELECTED.
SO MAYBE JUST, JUST BARELY YEAH.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE WRONG, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE.
DURING THE EARLIER BUDGET PROCESS, WE WERE SETTING THE BUDGET TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT SET 'EM AND FORGET 'EM FOR, FOR A DECADE AT A TIME.
SO, NELSON, I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE RESTRICT WHAT THE FUNDS COULD BE, OR DO THEY SAY, DO THEY TELL YOU AHEAD OF TIME? LIKE, WE HAVE THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT? OR DOES IT JUST GO INTO THE GENERAL, WHAT THE PRINCIPAL THINKS THEY NEED? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WE, WE DO RESTRICT IT.
LIKE THEY CAN'T USE 'EM FOR DESK.
THEY CAN'T USE 'EM FOR CHAIRS.
THEY CAN'T USE 'EM FOR THINGS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
UH, I THINK WE'VE ALLOWED 'EM TO BE USED FOR COMPUTERS.
UM, IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S HOW THIS GOT STARTED YEARS AGO, IS THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO HELP BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL FUND FOR COMPUTERS FOR EACH CLASSROOM.
AND SUBSEQUENTLY, WE COUNTY SCHOOLS STARTED PROVIDING THAT, BUT BRENTWOOD WASN'T ALREADY ALLOCATED.
THIS WAS LONG BEFORE I WAS ON THE BOARD, BUT AFTER THAT, THEY STARTED THINKING, WELL, WE'LL GIVE TO THE PTO EVERY YEAR.
THEY USE 'EM FOR BAND INSTRUMENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT.
WHOEVER PLAYS THE TUBA MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE TUBA.
SO THE SCHOOL OWNS THE TUBA OR OKAY.
UH, THEY'VE USED 'EM FOR ATHLETICS.
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UH, I I, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE YEARS THEY'VE USED THEM FOR LIKE CHEMICALS FOR CHEMISTRY PROJECTS AND I THINK FOR ROBOTICS.ROBOTICS PROGRAMS. AND SO DOES IT GO TO THE PTO OR DOES IT GO TO THE SCHOOL PTO? WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYMORE.
AND
SO IT DIDN'T OFFSET THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
I THINK SOMETHING CAME UP AND IF KRISTEN WAS HERE, SHE COULD PROBABLY TELL US, OR OR KAREN MIGHT KNOW.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM JUST FOR ACCOUNTING REASONS AND, AND LEGAL REASONS, BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THIS ISN'T AN OFFSET FOR THE SCHOOL BUDGET.
SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO HAVE THE COUNTY COMMISSION SAY, WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING 62 400 OF THE TWO SCHOOLS IN BRENTWOOD, SO WE CAN JUST DECREASE THEIR BUDGET BY THAT TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THE CITY'S DOING.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE OUR SCHOOLS.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A BACK AND FORTH WITH THAT.
SO I WILL GET CLARIFICATION FROM KRISTEN BECAUSE, UM, WE DID A ONE WAY FOR A WHILE AND WE SWITCHED AND THEN I THINK WE SWITCHED BACK.
I'LL GET CONFIRMATION FROM HER.
AND I MADE, THEY ARE MADE OUT TO THE SCHOOL.
NOW I'VE HEARD WAYS I BACK TO THE PTO GETTING THE MONEY SO THAT IT WASN'T USED FOR DESK AND CHAIRS.
'CAUSE WE HAD A SITUATION LIKE THAT.
JUST THE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY.
BUT I THINK EVEN THERE'S A LIPSCOMB ELEMENTARY, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY WERE SPECIFICALLY SAYING, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO RE OUTFIT NEW FURNITURE IN OUR SCHOOL.
WHICH MY COMMENT BACK WAS THAT'S AWESOME.
BUT I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE, THE KIND OF COMMISSION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MM-HMM
NOW WHY WOULD YOU SAY IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS? BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE A FORMAL PTO PROGRAM.
AND, UM, FOR JIM AND, AND JANET? WELL, NO, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST ACTIVE PTOS IN THE COUNTY.
LET ME GET CLARIFICATION FROM HER.
'CAUSE, UH, AND I THINK THERE ARE TWO, UM, METHODOLOGIES HERE, SO, OKAY.
UM, BUT I WILL GET YOU AND KIM THE POLICY.
AND THEN I WILL ACTUALLY GET YOU THE PACKET TOO, BECAUSE THAT ALL WENT OUT PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU OKAY, THANK YOU.
I THINK WE'VE RAISED THE MONEY TWICE SINCE I'VE BEEN A COMMISSIONER AND IT WAS, WASN'T RAISED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE THEN.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE LOGIC WAS THE COST OF EVERYTHING ELSE GOES UP.
EVEN IF THE PEOPLE ARE BUYING EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF, IT'S GONNA COST MORE, THE CHEMICALS COST MORE, WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO WE'VE HAD THOSE SLIGHT INCREASES AND I THINK IT PROBABLY IS TIME TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
AND I CAN ALSO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH WHAT WE'VE PAID THE SCHOOL AND THE RECREATION PROVIDERS DURING THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? THE NEXT CATEGORY IS THE RECREATION PROGRAMS. UH, AND SO WHAT WAS, UH, BUDGETED THIS YEAR AND WHAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR BUDGET IS THE SAME AMOUNT IN ESSENCE AS 21,000 FOR BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB AND 18,000 FOR BRENTWOOD BLAZE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? ONE, A QUICK COMMENT FOR IN PARTICULAR FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS OR A ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING.
UM, I'VE, I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS JUST IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE, WHY ARE BRO BALL CLUB AND BRO BLADE SO SPECIAL? WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL BRING UP A TRAVEL TEAM OR, OR SOME SORT OF THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ALSO A GOOD YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAM.
AND, UH, AND THE, AND THE ANSWER IS, WELL, THESE TWO ARE CITYWIDE SERVICE PROVIDERS.
YOU KNOW, THEY RUN THESE BIG PROGRAMS AND ANY YOUNG PERSON IN THE CITY CAN SIGN UP FOR 'EM AND THEY DON'T HAVE CUTS.
AND THEY'RE NOT ONE OF SEVERAL SIMILAR PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY OPERATE CITYWIDE.
NOW YOU COULD HAVE, UH, A TRAVEL BASEBALL CLUB OR BASKETBALL CLUB OR, OR EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, UPWARD STARS RUNS OUT OF BRENTWOOD, YOU KNOW, AS A, BUT IT'S A SELECT BASKETBALL PROGRAM.
IT'S NOT A CITYWIDE SERVICE PROVIDER.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE THE SAME WAY.
SO WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE SAY, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT MY CLUB TWITCH? IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BECOME A CITYWIDE SERVICE PROVIDER WITH YOUR PROGRAM, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER IT.
THEY HAVE TO MEET NUMBERS TOO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF RULES THAT GO BY IN THE CITYWIDE SERVICE PROVIDER PROGRAM.
WE JUST 'EM TO BE COGNIZANT OF.
AND IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF HOW DOES CITYWIDE SERVICE PROVISION WORK? AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR SPORTS TEAMS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE YMCA TO AN EXTENT, THE PARTS OF THE Y THAT WE FUND ARE THINGS THAT DO CITYWIDE THAT THE CITY MIGHT OTHERWISE DO, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER CITIES.
BUT INSTEAD OF DOING IT OURSELVES, WE PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY, UH, ON A CITYWIDE BASIS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? UNDER THE, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAMS, UH, ITEM,
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WE HAVE, UH, 50 FORD MARTIN CENTER AND YMCA IN THE LAST YEAR, OR I GUESS THIS, THIS YEAR, UH, BOTH HAD A ONE TIME, UH, $50,000 ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTION.AND, AND SO, UH, THAT'S NOT IN PLAY THIS YEAR.
SO THE, UH, TYPICAL CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE 50,000 FOR THE 50 FORD MARTIN CENTER AND 13,000 FOR THE YMCA.
I THINK THE YMCA IS SPECIFICALLY FOR FULL CIRCLE.
I THINK IT'S, WE SHOULD STATE THAT IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE STATE IT, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY USE IT FOR.
SO I CAN SEE MAKING THAT SPECIFIC OUT LOUD SO THAT PEOPLE YEAH, I JUST THINK YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THERE.
DO I MEAN, I GUESS I NEED TO ASK, DO WE USE LIKE A, A CONTRACT FOR THESE CONTRIBUTIONS AT ALL? OR A MINI AGREEMENT OR LETTER OF MEMORANDUM UNDERSTANDING OR ANYTHING? THEY JUST, UM, FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RULES THAT WE PROVIDED TO THEM.
HAVE WE MENTIONED THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM HISTORICALLY? UM, JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT'S ALREADY BUILT IN.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE WHERE WE STARTED A A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL PROCESS.
BECAUSE WE HAD A MORE INTEREST IN GETTING DONATIONS.
SO WE KIND OF TIED UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.
SO YEAH, YOU MAY WANNA STATE THAT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S IN RIGHT.
LEMME JUST, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PUBLICLY IT'S KNOWN THAT IT'S THAT PROGRAM AND WE'RE NOT FUNDING THE WHY ITSELF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO THEN? ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE $20,000 IN YOUR BUDGET TO BE ALLOCATED.
THE OTHER IS FROM BRENTWOOD UP.
QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT ITEM? WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS TALK THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER, UH, MENTIONED DURING ONE OF THE BUDGET MEETINGS, THERE WAS TALK, SOME OTHER SMALLER GROUPS ALSO WE'RE WANTING SOME CONTRIBUTIONS.
SO ARE THERE PARAMETERS WE USE TO CHOOSE WHO GETS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WELL, I CAN GO AHEAD KAREN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, THINK YOU COULD TELL US IN JUST LIKE TWO SENTENCES.
AND I APOLOGIZE YOU ALL, UM, DIDN'T RECEIVE THIS BECAUSE IT WENT TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT, UM, I CHART OUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ALL OF THE REQUEST AND, UM, BRENTWOOD UP, I NOTIFIED THEM MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEIRS CAME IN ON FIVE 19.
SO IT WAS PAST THE DEADLINE, WHICH WAS IN MARCH.
UM, AND I DID REACH OUT TO 'EM SEVERAL TIMES.
THERE WAS A CONFUSION WITH A WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS, BUT I WAS STILL GIVING THEM PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SUBMIT IT.
AND SO WE ASKED FOR AN APPLICATION, WE ASK FOR PROOF OF NONPROFIT STATUS, A W NINE, WE ASK FOR THEIR ANNUAL AUDIT FINANCIALS.
AND SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE A REQUIRED ANNUAL AUDIT.
SO, UM, AND THEN FINANCIAL REPORT AND THEN TAX FILING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, EITHER A BUDGET AND A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROGRAM, AND THEN A REPORT ON THE FUNDS THAT THEY RECEIVE AND WHAT THEY USE THEM FOR.
AND THEN, UM, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY THAT PROGRAM.
SO KAREN, HISTORICALLY, UH, PRIOR TO BRENTWOOD UP WILLIAMSON INC.
HAS BEEN THE COUNTYWIDE CHAMBER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTITY THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS CONTRIBUTED HISTORICALLY TO THEM.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT, AND YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW THE HISTORY BETTER THAN I WOULD AND ACTUALLY, UM, UM, WILLIAMSON INC.
UM, BRENTWOOD DOESN'T ACTIVELY GO OUT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, YOU REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU COME HERE AND YOU'VE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE THAT DID ACTIVELY GO OUT AND HEY, WE WANT THE FACTORY, WE WANT THE WHATEVER MM-HMM
SO WILLIAMSON INC HAS ALWAYS AGREED TO GIVE THAT TO LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD.
NOW, WILLIAMSON INC'S COST ON LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD IS, I HAVEN'T CHECKED ON THIS YEAR, BUT PASTORS IT'S $50,000 PLUS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT ORGANIZATION IS SPENDING OVER $50,000 TO DO A PROGRAM THAT IS A GREAT BLESSING TO BRENTWOOD WITH LEADERSHIP, BRENTWOOD AND YOUTH LEADER LEADERSHIP, BRENTWOOD.
AND THE CITY JUST CONTRIBUTES $20,000, WHICH I THINK IS A WONDERFUL DEAL BECAUSE WILLIAMSON INC.
I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO THEM TO DO LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD TOO, BECAUSE IT MAKES THOSE PEOPLE PROBABLY STRONGER MEMBERS OF WILLIAMSON, INC.
BUT I THINK BRENTWOOD PROBABLY RECEIVES THE BENEFIT FROM WHAT I'VE WATCHED THROUGH THE YEARS.
ALL THE CITY SERVANTS AND LEADERS WHO'VE COME FROM THAT LEADERSHIP, BRENTWOOD.
AND EVEN NOW, I THINK WE'RE MAYBE GETTING SOME BACK, GETTING BACK IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WENT THROUGH YOUTH LEADERSHIP PROBABLY SO, BECAUSE MOST PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES.
BUT I KNOW RAY, RAY AND I'VE USUALLY GONE TO THE LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD PRESENTATIONS MM-HMM
AND, UM, THEY LAST FEW YEARS THEY'VE
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ACTUALLY COME TO CITY COMMISSION MM-HMMAND SHARED THOSE PRESENTATIONS, WHICH THEY'RE VERY BRIEF IN THEIR PRESENT.
IT IS A GOOD DEAL FOR US TO SEE.
THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WORK REALLY HARD AND, UH, LYNN SAID SHE WOULD COME BACK THIS YEAR AGAIN AND SHOW US THAT, WHICH WE SHOULD.
SO, SO, UH, THE, THE QUICK JUST FRAMING OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IN THIS AREA, UM, AND WE CAN GET IN IF YOU, IF YOU WANT THE, THE FULL NINE YARDS, UH, TAKES LONGER, BUT THE, THE BRIEF STORY, YOU KNOW, SO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT LIKE, ARE WE GONNA GROW VERSUS ARE WE NOT GONNA GROW, UM, IN, IN THIS AREA? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT HERE WHERE I 65 AND I 24 AND I 40 ALL KIND OF CONVERGE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S REALLY SITUATED FOR A LOT OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND IT'S A NATURAL FOR MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING.
AND WHAT THEY FOUND IS IN THE SEVENTIES AND EARLY EIGHTIES, IT WAS VERY MUCH GOING THAT WAY IN TERMS OF MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING WITH NISSAN COMING INTO SMYRNA WITH A LOT OF THE WAREHOUSES THAT ARE DOWN IN WHERE NOW COOL SPRINGS MALL IS A LOT OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHEN BABA ANDONE AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY SAID, HEY, WE NEED A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO DIRECT GROWTH MORE TOWARDS HEADQUARTERS AND MORE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WELL REALLY WHAT YOU LOOK AROUND AND SEE NOW.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE TRAJECTORY.
SO IT'S, SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT BROS CONTRIBUTION TO THIS OVERALL REGIONAL EFFORT, IT'S NOT AS MUCH ABOUT GROWING FASTER THAN WE WOULD OTHERWISE.
IT'S ENTIRELY ABOUT DIRECTING THE GROWTH TOWARDS THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE WILLIAMSON INC.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET, I THINK IS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S, I BELIEVE 80% OR SO FUNDED BY VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES CHIP IN AND I THINK WILLIAMSON COUNTY COUNTYWIDE AND CITY OF FRANKLIN, THEY CARRY, WELL, A LOT MORE WEIGHT THAN $10,000.
BUT FOR A WHILE BRENTWOOD BUMPED ALONG DOING ZERO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DON'T DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE Y'ALL DO SOMETHING 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS, THIS WHOLE THING GOING ON TRYING TO DIRECT GROWTH TOWARDS HEADQUARTERS AND TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS OTHER DIRECTION THAT FRANKLY Y'ALL, LIKE IN MARYLAND FARMS AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY BENEFIT FROM NOT TO BE HYPERBOLE YEAH.
BUT WITHOUT BOB
IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, REALLY THROUGH PROBABLY THE LATE EIGHTIES, IF IT HAD CONTINUED ON THAT TRACK, UM, COOL SPRINGS WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE SPACE PARK SOUTH YEAH.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS HEADED, THAT IT WAS HEADED THAT WAY.
AND SO IT, IT, IT DIRECTED IT TO, TO OTHER THINGS COMING IN.
UH, AND THEN THE THINGS THAT COME AROUND IT, WHICH I THINK FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY, BUT EVEN FOR BRENTWOOD, THAT BEING ON OUR SOUTHERN DOORSTEP WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GROWTH THING, IT'S, IT'S MORE TO HANDLE WHAT TYPE OF GROWTH YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW.
SO, AND THAT'S KIND OF BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS WHAT THEIR GOAL IS.
BUT IN OUR SITUATION WHERE WE GIVE THE 20,000, IT IS SPECIFICALLY GOES TOWARDS THEIR LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD PROGRAM, WHICH IS A, THAT'S A GREAT BLESSING TO THE, TO THE CITY.
SO, SO ANYWAY, SO, SO HE'S GONNA GET CALLS FROM RESIDENTS TO SAY, WHY ARE WE FUNDING MORE TRAFFIC
AND WE MUCH PREFER THE MERCEDES OR THE RANGE ROVER OR THE CADILLAC, THE HONDA OR WHATEVER, OVER AN ABUNDANCE OF 18 WHEELERS BEING IN THAT TRAFFIC MIX.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, 32 50 THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR IT'S, UH, YOUR MEMBERSHIPS AND REGISTRATIONS ACTIVITY FOR THE MID CUMBERLAND HUMAN RESOURCES AGENCY AND RECOGNITION OF SERVICES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDED IN
I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, LEMME I PROBABLY THE TIME TO RAISE THOSE.
WELL, I DO WANNA BACK UP ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING TO FUND, UM, WILLIAMSON INC.
AT THE, THE, THE SAME WAY WE'VE BEEN FUNDING CONSISTENTLY AND BE A CONSISTENT PARTNER.
I MEAN, BRENTWOOD UP, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IS ACTUALLY DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK FUNDING THAT IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN FUNDING ROTARY OR LIONS CLUB OR ANY OF THE OTHER CIVIC GROUPS THAT GO OUT THERE.
AND, AND FRANKLY, BURWOOD UP BEEN A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC.
I MEAN, EVEN THIS PAST WEEKEND, I MEAN IN KEN AND JEN AND CAM ALL WERE THERE AT
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THE CROCKETT PARK WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD INVITED OTHERS WHERE THEY, THEY BOUGHT ONE ONE BOOTH, YOU KNOW, ONE TABLE AND THEY INVITED OTHER PEOPLE AND USED THREE.AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL GIVE 'EM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WHEN, WHEN THE MISTAKE WAS OBSERVED AND POINTED OUT TO 'EM, IT WASN'T A, OH, I'M SO SORRY.
IT WAS A BIG PUSHBACK AND KIND OF AN AGGRESSIVE RESPONSE, WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF TYPICAL OF SOME STUFF, BUT THAT DILUTES THE SPONSORSHIPS TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
THAT PAY THE FULL AMOUNT TO HAVE TO BOOTH.
SO, BUT IN GENERAL, I JUST DON'T, I I WOULDN'T CALL 'EM A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY.
I I THINK THAT WAS A, THEY DID MAKE A MISTAKE THERE, BUT I, I DO THINK THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVE WITH, THEY'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE SMALLER, LIKE, UH, WHATABURGER, WHEN THEY HAD THE OPENING, THEY HAD BOTH WILLIAMSON INC.
AND THEY HAD BRENTWOOD UP THERE, I THINK CARRINGTON ROAD DID TOO.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE POWWOWS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHERE THOSE LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND THEY TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE OUR SMALL BUSINESSES SURVIVE IN THIS ECONOMY AND CHANGES.
SO TO ME, THE $10,000 IS PROBABLY WORTH IT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THEY INVITED WILLIAMSON INC.
BRENTWOOD UP, INVITED WILLIAMSON INC.
TO NO, THERE, I THINK WHATABURGER JOINED WILLIAMSON INC.
AND THEY INVITED IN BRENTWOOD.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE PART OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.
I I JUST THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING BRENTWOOD HELP WAS TRYING TO BRING IN, THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE THAT THEY WERE JUST TRYING, THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING THE OTHER LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, A FRIDAY BREAKFAST WHERE THE BUSINESSES COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO.
THERE WAS A PHYSICIAN THAT'S LOCATED ON OLD HICKORY.
I THINK SHE CAME A PLASTIC, SHE PLASTIC SURGEON OR PEDIATRICS, JUST HOW CAN I GROW MY BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE SMALLER, BUT LIKE FOR THE BRO, FOR THE WHATABURGER AND BEING THERE, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHETHER SO, SO WILLIAMSON INC DID THE RIBBON CUTTING AND ORGANIZED THE AFFAIR.
AND IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME IF, IF WHATABURGER WENT THERE AND, AND BROUGHT IT UP, WAS WAS A PARTNER OR WHATER OR IF BROUGHT IT UP, FOUND OUT ABOUT THE RIBBON CUTTING FROM THE WILLIAMS NICK WEBPAGE AND REPOSTED NO, THEY WERE INVITED.
THE ONE THING THAT AS, AS A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON, IT, ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK WILLIAMSON INC EVEN CAME INTO PLAY WAS YOU HAD, WHEN WE WERE IN COOL SPRINGS, WE HAD TO BE PART OF THE BRENTWOOD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WE HAD TO BE THE COOL SPRINGS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
RIGHT? AND AS A SMALL BUSINESS, YOU'RE PAYING TWO FEES AND YOU THERE IS CONFUSION.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE HAVING BRENTWOOD UP AND WILLIAMSON INC.
AND THESE BUSINESSES NOW ARE KIND OF BACK IN THAT SAME SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WILLIAMSON INC CAME TO BE, THEY CAN COMBINED EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT EASIER AS FOR THE BUSINESSES AND UH, ALSO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE NOT BEEN A ENTITY.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE MOST OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WE GIVE TO, WE'VE GIVEN TO 'EM FOR YEARS AND THIS ONE JUST TWO YEARS AGO, AND IT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR A YEAR.
IN FACT, THEY FIRST TRIED IT AND HAD NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED LONG ENOUGH TO EVEN HAVE THE FINANCIALS THAT WE COULD DO THE AUDIT BECAUSE WE DO AS, UH, KAREN SHOWED, UH, AND THEN THEY WERE GIVEN IT TO THE NEXT YEAR.
I DIDN'T WANNA STOP THE BUDGET DID, BUT I WILL PULL THIS OFF AS A SEPARATE LINE FEE LINE ITEM AND WE CAN JUST VOTE ON IT.
UH, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECEIVING THE MONEY.
UH, I I, IF THEY'RE ESTABLISHED FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS AND THEY'RE SHOWING ALL THE WAYS THEY'RE HELPING BRENTWOOD, BUT I DON'T THINK BRENTWOOD TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE FUNDING THAT.
SO, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE TIMES WE DID.
SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE TECHNICALITY BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE THREE MONTHS, TWO MONTHS, TWO MONTHS LATE WITH THEIR APPLICATION MM-HMM
SO DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T DISQUALIFY 'EM, BUT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LATE WITH THAT.
IF THEY WANTED $10,000 TAXPAYERS MONEY.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I, I THINK TO ME, MISSING THE DEADLINE DISQUALIFIES THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE REASON I WOULDN'T SUPPORT 'EM.
DO YOU WANNA SEPARATE THOSE INTO TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? I IS IT ACTUALLY, IT'S ALREADY ON THERE AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS IT LOOKS LIKE.
IS THAT RIGHT KAREN? SAY THAT WE HAVE IT SET FOR TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS, RIGHT? YES.
AND LAST YEAR IT WAS TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE.
SO WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO DECIDE
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IS WHO WILL MAKE EACH OF THESE MOTIONS? YES.I'M GONNA ASK
YEAH, I WOULD, UH, I'LL CHECK WITH KRISTEN.
I WOULD THINK THERE'D BE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE WOULD BE A MOTION FOR EACH, OR ONE WOULD SIMPLY BE A MOTION.
THE MOTION IS, IS HOW MANY OF THE DOLLARS ARE, ARE, UH, APPROPRIATED TO WHAT ENTITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE MOTION IS TO APPROPRIATE $20,000 TO WILLIAMSON INC.
THAT TAKES UP YOUR BUDGETED MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT, RIGHT? SO WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK WITH HER AND GET CLARIFICATION FOR THE MOTIONS, WHETHER YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO OR WHETHER YOU COULD DO ONE.
BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF AT LEAST YOUR PAST PRACTICE AND HOW WE'VE DEVELOPED THE BUDGET, YOU WILL NEED TO HAVE A MOTION SPECIFIC TO THE APPLICATION OF $20,000 THAT WE DO KNOW.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE INITIALLY PUT IT IN THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE A VOTE NEEDS TO BE.
DID THEY PROVIDE AT, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR THAT THEY GOT MONEY, DID THEY PROVIDE A REPORT ON HOW THEY USED IT? I KNOW IT'S BLANK FOR LAST YEAR 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE ANY, BUT LET ME LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE AND LET YOU KNOW.
UM, SINCE IT CAME IN LATE, I DIDN'T REALLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON LOOKING WHAT WE HAVE TO FIND.
AND KAREN, IN, IN YEARS PAST, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN GIVING WILLIAMSON INC A PRETTY CONSISTENT $10,000.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IF WE GAVE WILLIAMSON INC $10,000 THIS YEAR AND GAVE BRENTWOOD UP ZERO THAT JUST LEAVES $10,000 ALLOCATED THAT WE COULD EITHER SPEND LATER OR WE COULD PUT BACK INTO WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET, UM, NEXT YEAR, YEAH.
WE COULD TAKE THE UNSPENT MONEY AND PUT IT INTO SAY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR SOMETHING ELSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO ROAD TO THE FUND BALANCE TO DO WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO.
YEAH, SO, SO WE DON'T THE 20,000 SO WE DON'T NEED TO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO INCREASE WILLIAMSON INC.
IF, IF THAT'S BUT, BUT WE, WE CAN IF WE WANT TO.
SO I, AND THE 20,000 ONLY BEGAN IN FISCAL YEAR 2025.
IT HAD BEEN 10,000 UP TO THAT POINT.
IT WAS JUST, IT WAS UP IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOUR BRENTWOOD UP SPECIFICALLY ON FOUR THREE ABOUT.
SO I GUESS, ARE WE ON TO FIGURE OUT WHO WANTS TO MAKE WHICH MOTIONS? SO DOES ANYONE, UH, WANT TO UH, BE THE, THE ONE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE SCHOOLS? I'D LOVE TO DO THAT.
EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? CAN THE SCHOOLS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A MUCH LONGER LIST THAN IT LOOKS HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN, UH, RECREATION PROGRAMS, ANYBODY? I CAN DO IT UNLESS KIM WANTS TO DO IT.
RECREATION PROGRAMS AND THEN COMMUNITY SERVICE I GUESS JANET WOULD DO, I'LL DO THAT.
AND I'LL DO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND I CAN MAKE CUMBERLAND TOO.
ALRIGHT, SO RAY, ALL THREE OF THOSE.
LET ME FINISH OUT AND MAKE THE OTHER ONE EASY FOR YOU.
UM, IS YOUR TYPICALLY PART OF YOUR ROUTINE AT TIMES TO ADDRESS THE CITY MANAGER'S SALARY? AND AS THIS MENTIONS IN HERE THAT THERE'S A, THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT IS ALREADY MY CONTRACT.
SIMILAR LANGUAGE I THINK KIRK HAD IN HIS, UM, I'D LIKE TO THINK I'VE DONE A DECENT JOB WITHIN SHORT OF TWO MONTHS, BUT WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU, I HAVE ZERO EXPECTATIONS AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU HAVE LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF MERIT NECESSARILY IN THE GAME.
SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FEELINGS OR ANYTHING, JUST REALIZE THERE'S NO REASON TO EVEN LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO IN MY OPINION, SO THANK YOU.
I WOULDN'T GIVE MYSELF A MERIT RIGHT NOW.
SO
SO, UH, WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS GOING FORWARD, BUT, UM, SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH A MOTION OR A COMMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING MAKE SURE, DOES MAKE EVERYTHING'S GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, I TELL THAT QUESTION TO KRISTEN, BUT I'VE HEARD SHE'S IN COURT, SO HOPEFULLY SHE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER BACK FOR US AND WE CAN PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU.
UM, KIRK AND MR. WALKER BOTH WERE HERE FOR SO LONG THAT IT WAS ALWAYS A PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND I DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON BRENTWOOD.
UM, THEY DID NOT LIST WHAT THEY PUT THE MONEY ON.
THEY DID LIST ALL THEIR EVENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY HAD.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS? NO, I, NO.
THIS JUST ONE, ONE OTHER COMMENT ON, ON THESE ITEMS, UM, YOU WITH THIS KIND OF GOES WITHOUT SAYING AND I, I KNOW OUR TRADITION IS TO READ THESE ITEMS EXACTLY
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AS WRITTEN.WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE SOMEONE DID NOT READ 'EM AS WRITTEN AND WE HAD TO GO BACK AND AMEND IT LATER.
SO JUST, JUST MAKING SURE YOU REREAD AND I GUESS CAROL WILL GET A CLEAN COPY OF THESE AND, AND COMPLETE, UM, JUST WITH APPROPRIATE BLANKS, BUT JUST, JUST BEING SURE TO REVIEW IT AND, AND IT GETS READ IN THE RECORD AND WE'LL READ, WE'LL, WE'LL READ JUST EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE PAPER.
THE SECOND ITEM UNDER OLD BUSINESS IS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, GENERATE THE SAME REVENUE AS THE CURRENT YEAR.
SO IT'S FLAT AND, AND ON AVERAGE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WOULD EXPECT TO, TO SEE ON THEIR BILLS.
AND WE ALSO MENTIONED, UH, UH, EXERT LANGUAGE ON THEIR BILLS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SEE, UH, NEXT ITEM UNDER OLD BUSINESS APPOINTMENT, UH, BY THE MAYOR ONE MEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S OUR, WE HAD THREE TOTAL.
AND SO THIS IS THE LAST, UH, CITIZEN APPOINTMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT.
UM, GOING TO NEW BUSINESS APPOINTMENT OF SIX MEMBERS TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AD HOC COMMITTEE.
YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BEING APPOINTED.
THAT'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT APPOINTMENTS.
SIX ARE RESERVED FOR CITIZENS AT LARGE.
ONE AS YOU'LL SEE HERE IN JUST A SECOND, IS FOR, UH, THE COMMISSION AND, UH, ONE FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, COMMITTEE.
SO ON THE, UM, ON THE, OF THE SPLIT TIME, JUST HAD A, A, A COMMENT AND MAYBE A BRIEF DISCUSSION DEPENDING ON WHAT Y'ALL THINK ON THE, UM, THE VETERAN MEMORIAL AD HI COMMITTEE.
IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME FOR THAT OR I GUESS JASON? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, SO ON THIS, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE COMING INTO THIS WITH THE, THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COMMISSION'S EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THE VETERANS AND ALL THAT.
AND WE'VE HAD, UH, I MEAN FULLY, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A DOZEN, YOU KNOW, VERY QUALIFIED FOLKS APPLY FOR IT.
UM, WITH SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE DOING THIS AND SETTING IT UP IS, IS BOTH TRYING TO, TO FIND A GROUP WITH GOOD CHEMISTRY AND THAT WOULD WORK WELL TOGETHER WITH THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHS AND PERSPECTIVES.
BUT ALSO JUST MAKING SURE AS WE DO THIS AS A COMMISSION, THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE KIND OF SET EXPECTATIONS AND, AND SCOPE.
'CAUSE I HAVE, AS I'VE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT CANDIDATES, THERE'S A REALLY WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE'S VISIONS FOR HOW ELABORATE THIS IS AND, AND HOW BIG A PROJECT IT IS.
AND JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS.
HAVING SOMETHING THAT GETS TO BE CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN TO DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS NICE TO RECOGNIZE THE VETERANS AND SUCH WELL IN, IN A NICE LOCATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE THINKING ABOUT REBRANDING.
YOU KNOW, KRAKEN PARK IS MEMORIAL PARK AND, AND REORGANIZING THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FIELD OR THE WHOLE FACILITY AROUND, YOU KNOW, I'M EXAGGERATING FOR A FACT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE PEOPLE GET THEIR EXPECTATIONS SET SO HIGH THAT WHATEVER WE FUND IS A COMMISSION IS DISAPPOINTING.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT WOULD BE TOUGH.
UM, AND THAT'D BE UNFORTUNATE, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE WORK WITH THIS GROUP IN A WAY THAT REALLY, WE HAVE A GOOD, SUCCESSFUL PROJECT THAT HELPS DELIVER WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR? WHICH IS A NICE WAY TO RECOGNIZE PEOPLE HAVE MADE A TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTION TO OUR CITY AND OUR SOCIETY, BUT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING, YOU KNOW, I GUESS TOO, UM, TOO ELABORATE WITH IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW TALKING A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD BOTH, YOU KNOW, IN BRIEFINGS AND IN OTHER AREAS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE, THE MINDSET OF A LOT OF FOLKS IS IT'LL PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CONTRIBUTION AND FUNDRAISING.
YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND OR THE TURF FIELDS OF THE CROCKETT PARK OR, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF, OF, OF PARTNERSHIPS WE'VE DONE.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, AS WE'RE SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS OR AS WE'RE TALKING TO CANDIDATES, OR IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT HELP MAYBE SET THE LEVEL FOR HOW ELABORATE IT GETS IF THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE RAISE? YOU KNOW? BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE RIGHT HERE, BUT IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRY TO COMMUNICATE AS WE'RE TALKING TO CANDIDATES, MANY OTHER THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT I FEEL LIKE HAVE BEEN GOOD.
AND YOU MENTIONED BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT YEAH.
OH, I THINK IT, THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUSINESSES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND CITIZENS.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE, EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, I THINK NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 50% OF THE FUNDING OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF EITHER BY PLEDGE OR WHATEVER KIND OF ESTABLISHED UP FRONT, AND THEN THE
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CITY WILL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WILL NEED A SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR THE TYPE OF THING.BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A BENCHMARK.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY BE THAT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE THE PUBLIC SUDDENLY FUNDS ALL OF IT, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC'S GONNA FUND ALL OF IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE TAX DOLLARS ARE Y'ALL'S MONEY.
I MEAN, A LITTLE BIT OF IT'S MY MONEY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I'VE LOOKED AT THIS EVER SINCE IT WAS FIRST MENTIONED.
I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD PAY FOR IT ALL AS, AS TAX DOLLARS.
UH, I THINK WE LIVE IN A VERY PATRIOTIC COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNITY THAT HAS MANY SERVICE MEMBERS.
UM, AND ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A VETERANS, I LIKE TO TERM IT A MONUMENT.
A MEMORIAL IS FOR THOSE WHO'VE PASSED AWAY IN WAR.
I THINK THIS HONORS EVERYBODY THAT EVER SERVED MM-HMM
UM, WHETHER IT'S GOING BACK 200 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, UM, OR IT'S, IT'S NOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE MANY YOUNG PEOPLE THAT GO TO SERVICE ACADEMIES OUT OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS.
UH, I KNOW I'VE WRITTEN LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SEVERAL THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, AS A COMMISSIONER AND AS MAYOR AND AS VICE MAYOR.
UM, SO TO ME THAT WILL, THAT'LL NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED ON THE COMMITTEE KIND OF EARLY ON.
AND THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO GET BUSY AND GET OUT THERE AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH ORGANIZATIONS AND WHICH COMPANIES AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ARE SAYING, HEY, I'M GONNA DONATE THIS.
THEN WE'LL GET AN IDEA OF THAT.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S JUST LIKE A, ANY KIND OF PROJECT YOU DO WITH YOUR BUSINESS, WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING ON WHERE'S THE LOCATION? WHAT IS THE SCALE? I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VERY HONORING.
I DON'T THINK THE SIZE OF IT OR WHAT IT IS HAS TO DO WITH THE HONORING OF IT.
UH, I CAN THINK OF MANY VETERANS MONUMENTS I'VE SEEN THROUGH THE YEARS, UM, THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY HUGE IN SCOPE.
WERE VERY BEAUTIFUL, VERY HONORING.
AND ALSO WERE SET UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT, THAT, THAT THEY WERE DONE SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE CEREMONIES THERE ON CERTAIN DAYS OR AT CERTAIN TIMES, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT NEXT YEAR'S A 250TH CELEBRATION, BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UH, PERSONALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THE 18 MONTHS ON IT, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT FINISHED BY MAY OR JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY, UH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE THE SCOPE BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS PLEDGED OR RAISED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR CD, WHICH IS OUR ALL CONTRIBUTIONS TOO, I THINK.
A LOT OF THINGS ARE DEPENDENT ON CONSTRUCTION AND, YOU KNOW, UM, WEATHER AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD MM-HMM
AND I THINK THAT WILL, UM, KEEP THE DISCUSSION IN A REALM THAT IS FEASIBLE.
AND IT COULD STILL BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL MONUMENT AND VERY HONORING, UH, I THINK THE, THE HONORING OF THOSE WHO SERVE AND SACRIFICE THEIR TIME AND SOMETIMES WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, NEEDS TO BE VERY HONORING OF THAT AND HONORING IN A MESSAGE SENT TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION OF WHAT SERVICE TRULY IS.
SO THESE ARE THINGS I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, OR YEAR AND A HALF SINCE THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP.
SO I, I DO THINK, AND I WELL SAID WHAT YOU SAID, THANK YOU.
AND I REALLY THINK, UM, THE PERSON THAT SERVES ON THE COMMITTEE FROM THE CITY COMMISSION IS GONNA HELP SET THAT TONE.
JUST LIKE YOU JUST DID JUST THEN.
UM, I THINK THESE PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF HOPES AND DREAMS. YEAH.
AND THEN I THINK ONCE YOU SIT IN THE MEETING, AND I DO THINK THAT THAT PERSON I THINK IS WELL FOR US TO STATE THAT.
BUT JUST LIKE YOU JUST SAID, YOU, THAT REALLY SETS THE TONE OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND WHAT WE WANNA DO.
SO I THINK THE PERSON THAT'S ON THAT, A HOC COMMITTEE THAT'S GOT A BIG RESPONSIBILITY CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THE MONUMENT VERSUS MEMORIAL.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING TOO, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE, I, I MEAN, I WASN'T WRONG WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IN MAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE, UH, A, A COMBINATION BOTH THOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, KILLED IN ACTION AND JUST THE VETERANS IN GENERAL.
AND SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS OR, OR WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE, BUT I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SO MANY VETERAN
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RESIDENTS THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEHOW THEM TO BE PART OF THIS RECOGNITION.AND SO THAT WOULD BRING UP THE QUESTION OF SHOULD WE CHANGE THE TITLE? AND EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANTED TO REPRESENT BOTH GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
SHOULD WE MAKE A, AN ITEM TO CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE COMMITTEE TO THE VETERANS MONUMENT OR SOMETHING AD HOC COMMITTEE RATHER THAN MEMORIAL? JUST 'CAUSE MEMORIAL HAS THAT CONNOTATION.
MEMORIAL GENERALLY IS, AND BRENTWOOD ITSELF PHYSICALLY DOES NOT HAVE A CEMETERY.
OFTENTIMES IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A CEMETERY, THE CITY WILL PUT A HUGE MEMORIAL UP TO THOSE, NOT ONLY THAT ARE BURIED IN THAT PARTICULAR CEMETERY OR WHATEVER.
AND SO THAT, MY THOUGHTS WERE FOR ANYBODY WHO DIED IN WAR WOULD STILL BE HONORED BY THIS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T CONFEDERATES.
BUT IT ALSO IS A MONUMENT TO THOSE WHO'VE SERVED IN OUR PAST, BUT SERVE NOW OR WHO ARE STILL LIVING HERE THAT SERVE FOR TWO YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, OR 30 YEARS OR 40 YEARS.
AND SO, IN MY MIND, IT'S MORE A MONUMENT TO THAT, TO THAT MILITARY SERVICE OR ARMED FORCES SERVICES.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEEN KIND OF THE CONVERSATION THE WHOLE TIME.
WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE TITLE OR MM-HMM.
THE AD COMMITTEE, IF WE'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW WE DO IT GOING FORWARD.
I THINK IF WE CAN CHANGE THE NAME OF THE COMMITTEE, I JUST THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO SET THE TONE.
CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT? A MONUMENT? MONUMENT? AND I WAS JUST LOOKING BECAUSE WE MONUMENT S MEMORIAL, WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO, BECAUSE IT'S, I SAW JUST READING THROUGH THE MATERIAL WE GOT PRESENTED THAT WE OFFICIALLY CREATED THAT COMMITTEE ON MAY 27TH.
SO I, NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN OBSTRUCTIONIST, BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD GIVE CLEAR, WELL, IF WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT SENDING BACK THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA DELAY THE PROCESS BY YEAH.
I THINK WE CAN DO THE APPOINTMENTS AND THEN EVEN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING PROBABLY ANYWAY, SO THAT IT CAN BE PUBLISHED AND ALL THAT.
WE COULD CHANGE IT TO A, TO A MONUMENT.
MEMBERS OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL DO BUSINESSES, VETERANS MONUMENT.
I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE VETERANS WAS IN THE TITLE AND IT'S NOT A YEAH.
DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU WANT BOTH? WE CAN COME UP WITH A LANGUAGE.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT TOO DIFFICULT, BUT DO YOU WANT BOTH MONUMENT AND MEMORIAL? OR JUST MONUMENT? I'M FINE WITH MONUMENT.
'CAUSE IT CAN BE A MONUMENT THAT IS A MEMORIAL, BUT JUST MONUMENT.
I JUST THINK THAT DELINEATES MORE OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, TO DO.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SEPARATE MEMORIAL DAY, THE VETERAN'S DAY.
BECAUSE ON NOVEMBER 11TH, AT THE 11TH HOUR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE HARVEST WAS SIGNED FOR THE WAR TO END ALL WARS, HOPEFULLY.
BUT THAT'S VETERANS DAY AND MEMORIAL DAY WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, BASICALLY FROM DIFFERENT STATES HAVING DIFFERENT DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GO AND HONOR THOSE WHO HAD PASSED AWAY IN BATTLE, UM, SPEC SPECIFICALLY AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, BUT ALSO AFTER WORLD WAR I.
AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO MAKE IT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY WHERE YOU WENT, LIKE, WHETHER YOU PUT FLAGS OR FLOWERS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE'LL, WE'LL ADD, ADAPT TO YOU TO A UPCOMING FUTURE, UH, AGENDA.
GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR APPOINTMENTS MADE.
AND, AND THEN, UH, WHEN WE COMMUNICATE, WOULDN'T EVEN AHEAD OF THE CHANGE IN THE NAME, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, INTENT IS, UH, COMMUNICATED.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UH, I WOULD, I ADMIT, ASSUMING YOU ANTICIPATE, AND I WOULD OFFER THAT, UH, WE AS A STAFF, WE CAN STAFF THAT HOWEVER IT'S NEEDED.
THERE ARE GONNA BE QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE THAT WERE MOST SUITABLE TO TRY TO ADDRESS.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT IF YOU WANNA, UH, UH, WHEN YOU MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS, IF YOU WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY, HEY, STAFF, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT? I'LL JUST TELL YOU AHEAD TO TIME.
BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT TO EMPHASIZE IT AS WELL.
I THINK I HAVE A STAFF SUPPORT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK REALLY.
SO WE HAVE A A A A STAFF MEMBER WHO CAN BE THERE FOR CONSISTENTLY FOR EVERY MEETING, WHO'S KIND OF THE POINT PERSON AND THEN BRINGS IN OTHER STAFF MEMBERS, IS APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, RIGHT.
RELATED TO, TO THIS ONE IS AN APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER FROM YOUR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE, UM, IN THAT ROLE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE FELL THROUGH QUITE A BIT.
ANYONE ELSE SHOULDN'T THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RAIN? NO.
SO WE DO THAT FORMALLY, UH, FORMALLY ON MONDAY.
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ALRIGHT.THAT, UH, CONCLUDES GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS AS, AS LONG AS YOU CAN HOLD ON.
IF YOU CAN'T LET ME KNOW, BUT I'M GONNA SWITCH 'EM.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE, UH, GATEWAY SIGNAGE PRESENTATION.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE CONSULTANTS ON THE LINE.
SO, UH, CHARLES, CHARLES, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO THE INTRODUCTIONS AND GET US GOING ON THIS ONE? WE HAVE, UH, MR. BRETT THOMPSON HERE.
WHO? THE STV THAT I BELIEVE WAS HERE IN APRIL.
UH, GETTING INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION AND NOW HE'S GONNA HEAR PRESENT, UM, TO THE GROUP AND YEAH, THEY'RE ON THERE.
WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ALSO ON T TEAMS IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
WE'LL JUST USE THE SAME CLICKER.
FIRST OF ALL, GOOD TO MEET YOU, SIR.
AND, UH, JUST A FEW NEW FACES SINCE I WAS HERE LAST, SO ELECTION, I SUPPOSE.
SO, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR ALL'S TIME THIS MORNING.
I KNOW I STAND BETWEEN YOU ALL AND BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THIS BEAUTIFUL WEATHER.
SO, UM, AND WE, WE WERE JUST JOKING A MINUTE AGO.
APPARENTLY I BRING IT WITH ME.
'CAUSE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IT'D BEEN POURING DOWN RAIN LONG.
WILL YOU COME IN? WILL YOU COME IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN IT STOPS RAINING? EXACTLY.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN RAINING EVERY DAY SINCE I WAS LAST HERE, SO.
UM, SO LAST TIME I WAS HERE, WE, WE TALKED THROUGH A FEW THINGS AND WANTED TO COME BACK WITH YOU ALL WITH AN UPDATE AND, AND PRESENT TO YOU ALL SOME, UH, UH, SOME GRAPH SIGN IDEAS AND THINGS WE HAVE, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, GATEWAY SIGNAGE.
UM, SO THIS IS, AS YOU AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOUR, YOUR SIGNAGE LOOKS LIKE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THIS IS, UH, I BELIEVE THE ONE AT WILSON PIKE.
UM, SO KINDA GIVES YOU AN IDEA.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE HEARD LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE MODERN, MODERN, YET STILL MAINTAIN SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN ELEMENTS.
UH, NATURAL, NATURAL, NATURAL AND DURABLE, UH, MATERIALS.
UH, YOU WANT TO REFLECT THE, UH, CITY OF BRENTWOODS IDENTITY, UH, CLARITY, VISIBILITY ARE KEY.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH MINIMAL MAINTENANCE.
I'D SAY IF YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE, YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED A PRETTY GOOD, UH, GATEWAY, SIGNAGE, UH, PROGRAM.
UM, ON THE DESIGN SIDE OF THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, REALLY NICE AND WELL DONE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OR, OR, OR SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AND, UH, AND SO COMPLIMENTS TO YOU ALL ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ONES YOU SEE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TOWN SQUARE, MARYLAND WAY, FRANKLIN ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT HERE IS TO HOPEFULLY COMPLIMENT THAT AND, AND, AND STAY AS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THE LOOK AND FEEL THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE WHILE ACCOMPLISHING THE THINGS WE JUST DISCUSSED A MINUTE AGO THERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UM, ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS, UH, WHAT ARE KNOWN AS CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THIS IS PARTICULARLY IN ALL THE LOCATIONS WHERE STATE ROUTES ARE INVOLVED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WILSON, UH, WILSON PIKE, UH, FRANKLIN ROAD, UH, STATE ROUTES.
SO WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO MEET.
AND IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME, WE HAVE TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS FOR THE SIGNAGE AS IT RELATES TO CLEAR ZONE.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENT IS, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IS, UH, IT'S AN AREA THAT'S INTENDED TO BE MAINTAINED OF ANY TYPE OF MAJOR STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHERE IF A, A VEHICLE DEPARTS THE ROADWAY, UH, THEY COULD HIT THAT AND CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE OR HARM, UH, TO THEM, THE VEHICLE AND, AND OTHERS.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND, UH, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE
UM, STRUCTURAL SPEAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S GONNA BE DURABLE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILT TO LAST.
UH, YOU ALL DON'T WANNA BE MAINTAINING IT NONSTOP.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE IDEA HERE IS, UH, UH, IS WHERE POSSIBLE HAVE COMPONENTS THAT ARE DETACHABLE, UH, 'CAUSE THAT MAKES THINGS EASIER ON THE, ON THE, ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS.
IF YOU GET IN SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETHING DOES NEED TO BE REPLACED, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRETY OF THE SIGN AND CAUSE YOU, UH, EXTRA COSTS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, THAT, THAT CAN, UH, REALLY KIND OF DIP INTO YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALREADY.
THIS, UH, THIS MORNING HERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, CLEAR ZONE, UH, REQUIREMENTS SIDE OF THINGS.
SO, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS.
UM, TDOT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS THE SIGN SIGNAGE GOES, BUT, BUT THIS CLEAR ZONE IS ONE I REALLY WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU.
AGAIN, THAT IS, UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN AN AREA
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ON A STATE ROUTE THAT DOES NOT HAVE CURB AND GUTTER, UM, THEN YOU GENERALLY HAVE A 35 FOOT CLEAR ZONE, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS CONSIDERED IMMO IMMOVABLE, UH, INSIDE WITHIN 35 FEET, UM, OF THAT ROADWAY.UH, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN SOME OF OUR DESIGNS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA HERE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LARGE, YOU KNOW, STONE, GRANITE, UH, SIGNS INSIDE THE CLEAR ZONE.
THIS IS, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT, WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
AND, UH, THAT'S NEITHER GOOD FOR, FOR YOU ALL AS A CITY HAVING TO REPLACE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM A COST STANDPOINT OR, OR THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CURRENT SIGN THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
THAT WAS DEANNA LAMBERT'S IDEA.
UH, FORMER BRENTWOOD EMPLOYEE.
SO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT, UH, ONE THING'S FOR SURE IS THAT IS A BREAKAWAY SIGN.
SO, UH, IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE, AND TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE MATERIALS AND THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE, THAT, THAT, THAT I REALLY KIND OF WANNA, THAT THE MAIN POINT OF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS IN, IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE WITHIN THAT CLEAR ZONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S CONSIDERED, UH, BREAKAWAY SUPPORT SYSTEMS. UH, AND SO, UH, THE COMPANY NAMED TRANSPO INDUSTRIES, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE THINGS.
AND WE DEAL WITH THESE THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, YOU SEE THIS A LOT MORE, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ROAD SIGNS AND, AND, UH, LIGHT POLES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A PRODUCT.
UH, THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE AS WELL, BUT THEY DO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT HAS A BREAKAWAY SUPPORT SYSTEM LIKE YOU SEE HERE.
IT BASICALLY HAS TO BE MOUNTED TO A BASE, AND THEN IT'S INTENDED TO, TO ESSENTIALLY BREAK AWAY, UH, LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO QUESTION.
SO LIKE ON THAT AIRPORT UHHUH SIGN, THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE BOLTED LIKE THIS, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A, BASICALLY A COVER THAT COMES OVER THAT SO THAT IT'S AESTHETICALLY PRINTED.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE THE INTERIOR FRAME
YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE, IT'S GOT, IT'S KIND OF, IT, IT SHOWS YOU WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE MORE DECORATIVE POLE.
UM, AND LET ME SHOW YOU, I, I DO HAVE SOME THINGS HERE.
I I, I, I DO WANNA PROVIDE YOU ALL SOME MATERIALS HERE.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST SEE IF I CAN MY, THERE WE GO.
THIS JUST GIVES YOU KIND OF, UH, SOME OF THE PRODUCTS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE.
OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED, I'M NOT HERE TO SELL YOU ANYTHING 'CAUSE I DON'T REPRESENT THEM
I'M JUST, UH, WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS IN HOW THESE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, SO THAT'S THE, THE TRANSPO, UH, SYSTEM THERE, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THERE AS WELL AS A PRODUCT CALLED GEN STONE.
UM, AND IT IS, UM, IT IS BASICALLY A PRODUCT THAT, UM, IS INTENDED, UH, TO GIVE YOU IN MANY CASES A STONE LOOK, UH, WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING NECESSARILY STONE.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BENEFITS TO THAT.
UH, ONE IS OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MATERIALS ARE MUCH LIGHTER WEIGHT, UH, THEY'RE MUCH MORE BREAKAWAY.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE AS WELL.
UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CAN SEE JUST HOW LIGHTWEIGHT THEY ARE.
UM, UM, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SELLING ANYTHING.
I JUST
BUT JUST, JUST AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOME OF OUR RESEARCH WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS WE'VE FOUND THAT REALLY YOU CAN SEE REALLY DOES MIMIC THE LOOK OF THE STONE VERY WELL.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, THAT IN, IN CASES OF A MONUMENT STYLE SIGN, THAT WOULD GO OVER AN INTERNAL STRUCTURE, RIGHT.
BUT, UM, IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS IF YOU'RE IN THAT CLEAR ZONE AREA AS WELL AS FAR AS HAVING BREAKAWAY MATERIALS.
AND THAT DOESN'T ABSORB STAINS.
YEAH, NO, IT'S, IT'S DUR IT'S A DURABLE PRODUCT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT IT FROM THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE, AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DON'T DISCOVER THEY CAN LIKE CARVE INITIALS INTO IT AND STUFF.
WELL, YEAH, I THAT'S YOU FEEL THAT.
I KNOW I'M NOT, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH ON IT.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR SURE.
BUT ONE THING'S FOR SURE I CAN TELL YOU, UH, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT IS FAR CHEAPER REPLACE THAN GRANITE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, ROCK WORK AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IS EVEN LIKE I'VE SEEN THE, THE FASCIA ROCK THAT'S ACTUAL NATURAL ROCK, BUT IT'S CUT THIN AND NOT IT'S A REAL THIN YEAH.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER BUT POTENTIAL.
BUT THE LOOKS, I MEAN, IT IS FOR REAL ROCK.
IT'S KIND LIKE, UH, MUCH LIGHTER AND IT'S MUCH MORE YEAH, YEAH.
ECONOMICAL THAN LIKE GETTING A, AN ARTISAN TO DO STACKED STONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S, UH, UM, IT, IT IS IS MUCH MORE, UH, UH, EXACTLY
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WHAT YOU SAID.AND IT'S ALSO, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S ACTUALLY STONE.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE, UH, UH, THE, WHAT'S IT, THE, UM, THE HARDWOOD A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT IN HOUSES NOW, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ACTUAL HARDWOOD ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT'S A LOT OF THE STONE YOU SEE YEAH.
ENGINEERED HARDWOOD HOUSES DONE IN THE LAST 20, 25 YEARS WHERE IT'S BRICK AND STONE.
IT'S A, IT'S A BOARD WITH STONE THAT'S PROBABLY THAT DEEP.
AND THAT IS MUCH CHEAPER TO REPLACE THAN IF YOU HAD ACTUAL STACKED STONE OR NO, ABSOLUTELY.
WATER STONE GOING OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, THE EXTERIOR JAGUAR, ORLANDO RESTORE.
IS THE WEATHER ANYTHING STONE ACTUALLY IS STONE, IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T REPLACE, YOU KNOW, REAL NATURAL STONE AS FAR AS THE WEATHER ABILITY, RIGHT.
I MEAN, BUT IT DOES, UH, MOST OF THESE PRODUCTS DO, UH, IT'S, IT'S A HIGH DENSITY POLYURETHANE TYPE MATERIAL.
AND UH, BUT THEY DO COME WITH WARRANTIES IN TERMS OF WEATHERIZATION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL.
SO, SO HOW DIFFERENT IS IT THAN THE, THE OLD SCHOOL DRIVE? I MEAN, IS THIS, OH, IS THIS LIKE STAMPED DRY? NO, NO, THIS IS NOT, NO.
THAT STUFF WAS, UH, IS THAT THE STUFF THAT USED TO YES, IT'S A STUCCO HAVE HOUSES HAVE ISSUES WITH HOUSES AND THINGS.
YEAH, NO, THIS IS, IT ALMOST CAN START FROM PRODUCT.
IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU JUST HANDED ME.
IT'S, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S A, IT IS, IT'S A POLYURETHANE MATERIAL.
I MEAN, IT'S A FOAM TYPE MATERIAL.
WELL, YOU NO, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING YEAH.
I THINK THIS IS SIMILAR TO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
IT FEELS LIKE TEXTURE AND PRIVATE.
SO, SO ONCE THERE'S LIKE AGREEMENT ON MOVING FORWARD WITH A DESIGN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DESIGN IT WITH REAL STONE ORDER THIS WAY.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IS RIGHT HERE IS IS THERE ARE OPTIONS.
AND ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FIGURING OUT WHAT LOOK TO YEAH, YEAH.
NO, BUT YEAH, NO, I HEAR YOUR POINT.
WE, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY I'M NOT SELLING YOU ANYTHING.
I'M NOT RECOMMEND, WE'RE JUST SAYING THERE ARE OPTIONS OUT THERE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME LOOK AND POTENTIALLY WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE COSTLY.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE FUN STUFF GOES, LET'S, LET'S GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THAT KIND OF ALL LEADS UP TO KIND OF THIS CONVERSATION.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A GOOD BIT OF CONVERSATION WITH, WITH TO AND OTHERS ABOUT THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT.
UH, WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS, UM, AND I REALIZE I'M SORT OF ON THE RECORD HERE, BUT ACROSS THE STATE, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES THAT, UH, HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH DOING THINGS IN THE CLEAR ZONE.
AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE TDOT AT THE TIME DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE THAT THEY HAVE NOW.
UH, SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EITHER DO IT AND ASK FOR PERMISSION LATER OR ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER, OR ASK PERMISSION NOW.
WELL, WE ASK FOR PERMISSION UPFRONT.
BECAUSE AS, AS AN ENGINEERING COMPANY, WE WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU ALL PROBLEMS OR, OR ANY TYPE OF LIABILITY ISSUES.
SO I THINK A CLEAR ZONE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.
'CAUSE AT BROWNWOOD MARKET, YOU KNOW, THEY'D LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING UP THERE YEAH.
AND THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
SO, AND IT'S, AND IT'S THERE FOR A REASON, RIGHT? IT'S FOR SAFETY REASONS FOR SURE.
BUT IT DOES CAUSE US PROBLEMS WHENEVER WE START TALKING ABOUT
AND AGAIN, THESE CAN BE MADE OF, OF, OF MANY DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
UH, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HERE, THIS I JUST ASK YEAH.
WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ONE ON WILSON PIKE, I GUESS AS YOU'RE COMING FROM WILLIAMS COUNTY.
AND, BUT, AND, AND THERE'S THE BRICK ONE, WHICH I'VE NEVER NOTICED, HONESTLY THERE ON TOWN CENTER WAY.
UM, BUT WHAT OTHER AREAS, JUST SO I KIND OF HAVE, CAN PICTURE IN MY MIND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, SO PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED THIS BEFORE IS ACTUALLY COMING OFF THE, UH, EXIT RAMP OFF I 65, RIGHT? CONCORD? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S THE OTHER, THAT'S THE OTHER BIG LOCATION.
UH, PROBABLY MORE PROMINENT, UH, LOCATION AS YOU IF YOU WILL.
UM, THAT'S ONE WE'LL BE ABLE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT ANYTHING WE WANT.
'CAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF CLEAR ZONE THERE.
IT'S WILSON PIKE AND, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE I'M FORGETTING? THERE'S THE ONE ON TOWN CENTER, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, YES.
DO WE HAVE ONE IN THERE? FRANKLIN? UH, FRANKLIN ROAD.
WHERE'S THE ONE ON FRANKLIN ROAD? IS THAT JUST RIGHT? CHURCH.
UM, WHAT IS THIS ROAD?
I I WAS GONNA SAY, OH, IT'S ON THE, ON THE WALL BY THE, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER.
PART OF THE, SOMETHING I NOTICED COMING TO TOWN, PART OF THE ODDNESS IS, YOU MAY BE USED TO IT NOW, IS THAT YOU EXPECT TO GET RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE, ESPECIALLY AT OLD HICKORY.
AND YOU'RE IN BRENTWOOD, BUT YOU'RE NOT.
AND THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THE FEEL RIGHT AFTER YOU GET OFF AND NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN REALLY DO ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.
WITH THE TRAFFIC FLIGHT COMPLAINTS THAT I HEAR
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IT LIKE, IT'S SO WE DON'T WANT THAT'S IN DAVIDSON COUNTY.THEY GOTTA THEY GOTTA HANDLE THAT.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER REASON TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU DO HIT BRENTWOOD THAT YOU REALLY DO KNOW IT.
SO YOU DON'T ASSOCIATE AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE IN BRENTWOOD, THIS IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER OVER THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S CLEARLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE AND WHEN YOU GET IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
AND IS THERE, UM, ARE WE SUBJECT, TODD, ARE WE SUBJECT TO OUR OWN SIGN RESTRICTIONS? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, UNLESS THAT SILHOUETTE IS LIKE THREE FOOT TALL.
IT'S LIKE THE SIGN IS WAY TOO TALL.
I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH OURS.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE SIGNS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
BE, IMAGINE TRYING TO GET THAT PAST BLANK.
TRYING TO THINK AHEAD, BUT FOLLOW SWITCH.
I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS YOUR FIRST PE UNLESS THAT SHADOW
IT'S ABOUT NOON OR IT'S ABOUT NOON OR ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
UH, BUT THESE ARE ALL SCALABLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL SCALABLE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE, UM, SOME SMALLER VERSIONS HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
THIS IS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A MUCH LARGER VERSION THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS YOU'LL SEE HERE.
THIS ONE IS, YEAH, THIS ONE'S ESTIMATED THAT.
THIS ONE'S ABOUT TWICE THAT HIGH SIX FEET.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAN USE IN DAVIDSON COUNTY.
WELL, ACTUALLY YOU CAN, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE MUCH
THAT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT, ISN'T IT? IT CERTAIN IS IT RIGHT.
UM, THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE COURT EAST BILLBOARD THING, NOT GOING THERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY ONE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT GOING CALL US ON OUR OWN CODE.
WHY IS THAT? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE ON THE, ON ALL THESE SIGNS YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UM, SOME OF 'EM WILL INCLUDE THE CITY, THE CITY SEAL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST MONTH.
I REALIZED NOT EVERYBODY WAS HERE.
UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT LAST MONTH, AND THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG TOP DISCUSSION, WHETHER YOU INCLUDE IT, WHETHER YOU DON'T INCLUDE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DISCUSSION POINT.
UM, THE, THE LETTERING YOU SEE, UM, THE COLORS YOU'RE GONNA SEE, THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING, UH, UH, FONTS AND, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
JUST I GUESS FOR KIM AND JANET, UM, WHAT OF THE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WAS IF WE'RE USING BRIGHT COLORS OR REALLY ANY COLOR, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME EXISTING SIGNS WITH COLOR, THEY DO FADE.
AND I MEAN EVEN LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIG GREEN MONUMENT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THE JLR STORE, THAT IS, IT'S A, IN THE LUEN BOND, ACL PRODUCT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A A 30 YEAR LIFE.
AND WE RECODE IT EVERY FIVE YEARS IN THE SUN TO, TO KEEP IT FROM LOOKING FADED.
SOME, SOME OF THE BEST SIGNAGE.
AND I'VE REALLY WATCHED IT SINCE YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION, BUT I'VE KIND OF ALWAYS NOTICED PERSONALLY, AND YOU CAN PUT A SEAL IN IT, IS THAT HE HAD IT EARLIER.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ROOMS, RIGHT.
OH, THE SMALL POSTS WITH, UH, CONCRETE WHERE THE LETTERS ARE BASICALLY, UH, IN THE SIGN YOU CAN ALSO PUT A SEAL ON IT.
ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT ONE OR THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU DID HAVE TO GO BACK AND TOUCH UP THE LETTERING WITH A BLACK STAIN, THAT'S NOT A HORRIBLY EXPENSIVE THING.
AND SO THAT TO ME, 'CAUSE SIGNS, DO THEY FADE AND DO NO MATTER WHAT THE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE OUT IN THE SUN AND OUR WEATHER'S SO CHANGEABLE.
UM, BUT I'VE KIND OF WATCHED, AND I THINK THAT'S CLASSY LOOKING.
AND YOU CAN ALSO DO IT IN THE STONE STRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK WOULD FIT INTO THE FLAVOR OF BRENTWOOD SINCE ALL OUR ROCK AND STONE WALLS AND, AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THIS WAS JUST MY OBSERVATION, BUT I LIKED THAT BECAUSE THAT IS LOW MAINTENANCE.
UH, I KNOW SOME OF THE SIGNS, LIKE THE ONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WAY
SO IF IT DOES GET DEGRADED AFTER 15 YEARS, YOU'RE NOT REPLACING THE WHOLE MONUMENT.
YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A NEW, UH, CONCRETE, UH, YOU KNOW, STAINED 'CAUSE THAT IS STAINED IF I REMEMBER TELLING US.
AND, AND THAT'S THE INTENTION OF ALL THESE SIGNS, IS TO BE ABLE, THAT'S WHY I SAID TO MAKE 'EM TO, NOT, MODULAR'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT YOU CAN TAKE OUT AND REPLACE CERTAIN PIECES AND PARTS OF IT SO YOU'RE NOT REPLACING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
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SO I, I JUST, JUST TO CATCH YOU UP TOO, I SAID THE SINUS WE CURRENTLY HAVE JUST SAYS BRENTWOOD.AND I SAID, I LIKE BRENT, SAY BRENTWOOD, TENNESSEE.
AND ANN SAID, WELL, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE IN TENNESSEE, THEY'RE TROUBLE.
I JUST THINK THAT SETS THE TONE FOR WHAT YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE.
I DO LIKE TO BRENTWOOD, TENNESSEE.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL FLIP THROUGH HERE AND KIND OF SHOW YOU A COUPLE MORE HERE.
AND, AND, AND SOME YOU'LL SEE ARE A LITTLE HIGHER PROBABLY THAN, THAN WHAT YOUR SIGN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR SIGN ORDINANCE ALLOWS THAN UH, OTHERS.
UH, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN AREA WHERE YOU MAY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENT, UH, WHERE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE POLE SAFE.
IT BASICALLY JUST TAKES WHAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THAT SIGN AND PUTS IT ONTO A POLE SAFE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, MUCH SMALLER OBVIOUSLY IN SCALE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD AROUND IT TO SUPPORT IT.
UH, THESE POLES, UH, AS INFORMATION, UH, THESE POLES ARE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING UP TO 900 POUNDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WHICH I WAS HONESTLY QUITE SHOCKED BY.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE FITMENT, I'M AFRAID IF WE GO ON, I'LL FORGET TO ASK.
IN THAT FIRST PICTURE, THERE'S A SMALLER BRENTWOOD, IT LOOKS LIKE JUST THE CREST OF THE CITY IS ON THERE, BUT IT'S STONE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STACK STONE OR YEAH.
A FASCIA BOARD WITH STONE ATTACHED MM-HMM
THAT CAN GO IN A CLEAR ZONE IF IT'S MADE MORE LIKE A A A GIVING STRUCTURE.
LIKE WHERE YOU SAY HAD THE FASCIA BOARD WITH LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR DEALERSHIP, NELSON MM-HMM
YOU COULD MAKE A MONUMENT LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN, IF YOU WERE MAKING YOUR OTHER ONES A LARGER STONE TYPE THING THAT WE SAW THE PICTURE.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY AND ACTUALLY I LIKE THAT TYPE OF THING BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY'S INJURY.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MONUMENT THING? WE WERE LOOKING AT A MINUTE.
IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO, AND THE ONLY REASON IT, UH, OH, I PROBABLY AT THE FIRST, SEE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? YOU TALKING THERE RIGHT, RIGHT.
SOMETHING, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT SIZE, BUT THAT IS EQUIVALENT IN SIZE TO THAT OTHER AS FAR AS YEAH.
YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE THE BREAKAWAY, BASICALLY.
YOU, YOU COULD TAKE THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE FOR EXAMPLE, AND USING THAT, THAT, THAT BREAKAWAY POLE SUPPORT SYSTEM AND YEAH.
AND POTENTIALLY SURROUNDING WITH LIKE YOU SAID, A FACIA FACIA OR FACIA.
OR, OR A PRODUCT LIKE THIS DOWN HERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE WHEN I WAS SEEING THAT, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE TO OUR CITY BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVERYWHERE.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HOLD UP PRETTY WELL.
THE, THE ONLY THING IS YEAH, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE IN THAT SITUATION.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO USE ACTUAL, LIKE FULL STONE.
IT MAY HAVE TO BE A STONE LAMINATE LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
BUT WHAT ACTUALLY, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY BUILD THESE THINGS.
I WAS THINKING IT WOULD JUST TAKE A METAL STRUCTURE THAT'S THE BREAKAWAY EXACTLY.
ON A CONCRETE SLAB AND THEN JUST COVER THAT WITH DECIA AND THEN HAVE AN INSERT OF OUR, OF THE SEAL OR, AND UNDERNEATH THERE'D BE A TAG AND IT SAYS, IF YOU HIT THIS, THIS IS THE BUILD WHERE TO SEND IT.
SO, UM, GAS STATION, UH, LET'S SEE, WE'RE MOVING ON HERE.
THIS IS, UM, REFLECTIVE SOMEWHAT OF, UH, I THINK THE NEW, UM, BRENTWOOD ACADEMY SIGN, I BELIEVE IS NOT EXACTLY, BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
AGAIN, ALL THESE, THE MATERIALS CAN BE ACTUAL STONE WORK, UH, OR THEY CAN BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL AND ALTERNATE MATERIAL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE EASIER TO, TO WORK WITH ON, ON THESE ONES THAT YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING AS BLUE.
SO YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE USUALLY, UM, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE A, UM, ALUMINUM TYPE MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND EVEN THE, UM, THE BOARDS THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS TOO THAT YOU CAN USE.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN USE AN ACTUAL WOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE WOOD.
UM, NOT GOING TO BE AS MAINTENANCE FREE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, AS, AS USING SOME TYPE OF ALUMINUM OR, OR YOU SOME TYPE OF ALUMINUM LIKE THE A CM THAT THEY USE IN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL STUFF OR YEAH, YEAH.
THE, UM, I WAS LOOKING HERE MY NOTES, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF DANA, IF THEY CAN TALK OR NOT.
I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN, UH, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE, WE'VE GOT THE ACTUAL DESIGNER ON THE LINE.
SO WE, UM, WE ARE AVAILABLE TO TALK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT THE DESIGNS.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, DIANA, IS THAT, UM, FOR
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EXAMPLE, THE, UH, THE INSERT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF ALUMINUM.UH, DAVID, I THINK YOU WERE ON THERE AS WELL.
UM, WHICH I THINK IT CAN BE, IT COULD BE SOME TYPE OF ALUMINUM MATERIAL OR OTHER MATERIAL THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH A BIG SLAB OF, YOU KNOW, GRANITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO FOR THE DESIGN B, THE BACKGROUND THERE THAT YOU SEE IS IN THE BRENTWOOD BLUE COLOR.
AND THAT COULD BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT COULD BE A PAINTED WOOD STRUCTURE, OR IT COULD BE THAT HIGH DENSITY POLYURETHANE FOAM THAT HAS BEEN COVERED IN STUCCO AND IN THAT, UM, DARK BLUE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE LIKE BREAK BREAKAWAY MATERIALS.
SO AGAIN, THE POINT BEING, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS OPTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO DOING THESE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE, ONCE WE GET TO THE NEXT PHASE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE DESIGN OF IT.
WE COORDINATE WITH CONTRACTORS, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU ALL THE BEST SOLUTION IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE FREE OR WELL AS MAINTENANCE FREE AS IT CAN BE.
AND, AND, AND ALSO ACCOMPLISH THE LOOK THAT YOU ALL DECIDE ON HERE, DAVID CHARGING FOR YEAH.
IT IS JUST ANOTHER KIND OF VERSION OF THAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT THE SEAL INCORPORATED ON THE COLUMN OVER HERE.
UM, IT ALSO HAS THE WELCOME TWO IN SCRIPT.
AND SO JUST A, A LITTLE DIFFERENT LOOK, UM, TO THAT ONE.
UM, AND THIS IS YET ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT, UH, THAT IS MUCH MORE THE STONE LOOKING MATERIAL, UH, THAT YOU SEE AROUND, UH, AROUND BRENTWOOD, PARTICULARLY OUT HERE ON FRANKLIN ROAD.
UM, SO A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
AGAIN, UH, MATERIALS, IT CAN BE ACTUAL STONE, IT CAN BE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MATERIAL IS.
OR IT CAN BE SOME TYPE OF, UH, LOWER MAINTENANCE, UH, LOW MAINTENANCE FA UH, FO MATERIAL.
SO I'M GUESSING THE WELCOME TWO THING IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LARGE FORMAT VERSION OF THE SIGNS.
WELL ACTUALLY HERE'S, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO, TO GET THAT ON THERE.
THAT PARTICULAR SIGN IS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT SIX FEET TALL.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE YOU ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET THAT ON THERE.
UH, IF YOU LIKE THAT, IT DOES RAISE A GOOD QUESTION.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE WELCOME TWO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? FIRST TIME I REMEMBER THEY, I THINK JUST ON SOME OF 'EM WERE JUST BLANK.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS BRENTWOOD I DON'T LIKE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BE CITY OF AS OPPOSED TO WELCOME TWO? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE DRIVING PAST IT EVERY DAY, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GONNA WELCOME ME? I MEAN, JUST I THINK, I DON'T KNOW
'CAUSE THESE ONES YOU'RE SHOWING VERY, I THINK THIS WAS LIKE, JUST REMIND ME OF COMMERCIAL SIGN.
I MEAN, TO ME THAT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVE-IN.
THE OTHER ONE KINDA LOOK LIKE A CAST.
I, I REALLY LIKE THAT STONE LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ALL THING, BUT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
FIGURE AND WHEREVER WE COULD PUT IT YEAH.
TO ME IT REALLY FITS BRENTWOOD.
I MEAN, EVEN GOING BACK YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
SO IT DOES RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION THOUGH.
THE, THE THE SIGN THAT'S A GATEWAY OFF THE INTERSTATE MAY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
MAYBE SAME DESIGN FAMILY KIND OF THING, BUT MAYBE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MESSAGE THAN THE SIGN THAT IF YOU'RE, UH, DRIVING, UH, IF YOU'RE IN NICOLE SPRINGS AREA AND YOU'RE GOING FROM FRANKLIN TO BRENTWOOD, IT MAY NOT NEED TO SAY THE EXACT, IT MAY, IT MAY SELL TO BRENTWOOD, YOU MAY WANT TENNESSEE STILL, BUT WHERE IT'S WELCOME TO OR CITY OF OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE A VARIANCE THERE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A PRETTY EASY DETAIL THING TO WORK OUT LATER ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT THE BIG PICTURE.
AND WE'RE STILL MOVING THROUGH THE DESIGNS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP, BUT SOME, THE COMMENT I MADE BEFORE AND I'LL, I'LL I'LL MAKE PROBABLY A BUNCH MORE TIMES, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING IN, IN A BRANDING MARKETING KIND OF BUSINESS, I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S VALUE TO THE CONSISTENCY OF A LOOK IN THE FEEL.
AND WHEN WE'RE DOING SOMETHING COMMUNITY WIDE, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR WHAT WE DO TO, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR IMAGE COMMUNITY WIDE.
AND IF YOU GO THROUGH AND DURING THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, THEY SHOWED US A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNS, YOU KNOW, CREATED BY PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS, BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS AND, AND, AND BUILDERS THAT ARE ALMOST UNIVERSALLY THAT STACKED STONE LOOK WITH A A STONE FASCIA.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF THIS COMMISSION IN THE CITY.
WE'VE ESTABLISHED A LOOK
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE.
THE, THE, I MEAN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S ENTRANCES ARE THAT WAY.
SO, WELL I DON'T WANT OURS TO BE MISTAKEN FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN.
I THINK TAKING OUR DESIGN LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN CREATED ALREADY BY THE CITY PRIVATELY KIND OF A NICE THEME.
LET'S GET AHEAD OF THIS PARADE.
BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE WELCOME TO OR WELL, YEAH, SO, UM, WELL MY COMMENT ON THAT WAS I THOUGHT IT LOOKED PRETTY COMMERCIAL, BUT SO I THINK THAT
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IF WE HAVE THE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE KIND OF AT THE BOUNDARIES, LIKE, UH, JASON WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT LET'S SAY WELCOME TWO THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET KIND OF TIRED OF, YOU KNOW, GET A FATIGUE I GUESS, UM, WAS SAYING CITY OF MIGHT MIGHT BE NICE AND THEN, BUT UM, MAYBE OFF THE INTERSTATE THEY'RE WELCOME TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA WEAR OUT OUR WELCOME.I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS GUYS THE SAME WAY EVERY DAY AND YEAH.
THE OTHER THING THAT HIT ME WHILE WE WERE TALKING AND JOINED THE SIGNS, WE HAVE A SIGN OUTSIDE DOWN AT CITY HALL TOO, I THINK, I THINK IT ALMOST NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIMICS RIGHT WHAT WE DO AS WELL.
SO YEAH, I THINK THE LIBRARY SIGN IS GOOD, BUT I, I LIKE THE LIBRARY SIGN.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TOUCH THAT, BUT UPDATING THE CITY HALL SIGN.
UM, SO BRAD, IF I MAY, KEN, UM, BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT.
UM, AND ALSO NELSON ABOUT CONSISTENCY IN BRANDING AND THE CITY DID DEVELOP A, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE BRAND FOR THE CITY A WHILE BACK.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME IMPORTANCE TO THINK ABOUT HERE, UM, WITH THE SIGNS AND THE CONSISTENCY IN WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO USE THE SEAL.
AND IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO CRE UH, CREATE A DESIGN THAT CAN THEN BE IN THE FUTURE EASILY INCORPORATED, UM, TO SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CITY, LIKE THE CITY HALL SIGN AND PARKS AND, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES.
CAN WE, TODD, DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO TO THAT? DO YOU KNOW TO, COULD YOU REPEAT TO THE, WHAT SHE SAID? SHE THOUGHT THAT, THAT WE HAD SET UP CITY DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST RELATED TO OUR SEAL WHEN WE YEAH.
WE HAVE A BRANDING GUIDE AND I CAN BRANDING GUIDELINES EASILY.
I MEAN IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT AVAILABLE OR JUST ONLINE TO ALL US A DEGREE AND, AND OUR FONTS AND THINGS ARE THAT WE PROPOSED HERE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THOSE BRANDING GUIDELINES AS WELL AND, AND THE COLORS.
UM, CHARLES, SO YEAH, HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THIS SIDE, I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS IS NOT A FAVORITE.
SO
I WAS ASKING, 'CAUSE I NOTICED THAT SOME OF OUR ENTRYWAY SIGNS TO SUBDIVISIONS ARE, HAVE PRETTY LARGE STRUCTURES TO 'EM.
SO THE, THE LIMIT I THINK WAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SIX FEET WAS MORE TO THE SIGN FACE.
SO I THINK, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A SIGN WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 12, 15 FEET TALL.
UM, BUT, BUT ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT DESIGN YOU LIKE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE TRUE GATEWAYS, THE LARGER GATEWAYS, THERE'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO STILL STAY WITHIN YOUR, YOUR, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THESE, THESE FOLKS WILL WORK ON.
CERTAINLY SCALABLE, BUT YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN PERHAPS WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD IN YOUR IMAGE WHEN YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT YEAH.
THE SIGN IS FOR THE ACTUAL MESSAGING PART OF IT.
UM, HERE, THIS IS A MORE BASIC, UH, VERSION OF THE SIGN.
OBVIOUSLY THIS STARTS TO INCORPORATE AGAIN THE STONE MATERIALS.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS ONE THAT INCORPORATES THE SEAL THAT I, I, THAT'S NOT MY JOB TO TELL YOU MY OPINION, BUT ANYWAY, I
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT HAVING THE SEAL AND THEN HAVING SOMETHING THAT EITHER SAYS WELCOME TO OR CITY OF YEAH.
IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IS THIS TOWN, LIKE THE TOWN CENTER AREA? UM, THEY KNOW IT'S THE CITY SIGN AND NOT THE SHOPPING CENTER SIGN.
RIGHT? BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEM ARE NAMED BRENTWOOD SOMETHING
SO YEAH, NO, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S QUITE THE WORD TENNESSEE INCORPORATED.
BUT AGAIN, IT COULD BE ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THAT, THAT YOU ALL WOULD PREFER TO SEE ON THERE AS WELL.
UM, I'S A SMALLER VERSION OF THAT, UM, THAT WOULD WORK WITH CLEAR ZONE LOOKS LIKE A HEADSTONE
I'M SEEING SOME DESIGN PROBLEMS THERE ON WILSON PIKE.
OH YEAH, CLEAR THOSE CLEAR THOSE CLEAR THOSE CLEAR ZONES.
GIVE US, GIVE US FITS, YOU KNOW,
THIS IS ONE, AGAIN, THIS IS MUCH MORE GRANDIOSE IF YOU WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT.
UH, BUT IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRST ONE WE LOOKED AT.
YOU COULD DO ALL OF THOSE TYPE WITH THAT CONCRETE STAINED CONCRETE YES, TOO.
BECAUSE I DO WORRY ABOUT COLORED MATERIALS BECOMING FADED, SO, OKAY.
AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM A LOT OF TIMES.
UH, IN THESE CASES THOUGH, THE, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT, I MEAN EVEN THE, THIS THING IS EVEN WOULD BE INTENDED AND, AND WHEN WE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, DESIGN IT, DO ALL THE ENGINEERING EVERYTHING FOR IT,
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EACH LETTER CAN BE REPLACED.EVEN IT'S, UH, EACH, EVERYTHING IS IS AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE.
THIS ONE AGAIN, IS NOT QUITE AS CONSISTENT WITH THE GRAYS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE STONE LOOK AS MUCH.
UH, SO, UM, SO HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S ALL OF THEM ON ONE ON ONE SLIDE.
UM, AND IT CAN BE A COMBINATION OF ANY OF THESE OBVIOUSLY.
UH, THIS WOULD BE IN AREAS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE.
UH, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE PRIMARILY GONNA SEE THIS, UH, WHEN, WHERE YOU HAVE THE CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENTS, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A SMALLER VERSION OF THESE.
SO, UM, SO, UM, I GUESS THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THESE A, B, C, D, E COMBINATION OF C AND A OR, UH, YOU KNOW, CURIOUS AS TO YOUR THOUGHTS.
UH, I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE CLEAR ZONE.
IF A LOT OF THESE, UM, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DOING SOME OF THE WALLS NOW TOO, THEY'RE CINDER BLOCK AND THEN JUST HAVE A STONE FACADE.
DOES THAT CLEAR? I MEAN, IF, IF THIS IS ONLY TWO OR THREE FEET OFF THE GROUND IN THAT, THAT AREA ON WILSON PIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEDIAN THERE, DOES THAT MEET CLEAR ZONE REQUIREMENTS? IT, IT, IT, IT CANNOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF RIGID LIKE STONE STRUCTURE LIKE THAT IN THE, SO CINDER BLOCK COUNTS AS THAT.
YOU CAN'T, YOU COULD, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT WOULD HAVE, IT HAS TO BE A BREAKAWAY MATERIAL.
WHICH IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THESE MATERIALS I WAS SHOWING YOU, THOSE ARE CLEARLY BREAKAWAY MATERIALS.
UM, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE OFF OF THE COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE WHERE YOU COULD DO ANY MATERIAL YOU WANT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT PIECE, THAT COMPONENT OF IT.
FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF THOSE HAVING, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY LOOKS TO ME LIKE SOME SORT OF COLORED BACKGROUND.
I'M ASSUMING THE, THE ONE IN THE, I'M ASSUMING E IS A SIMILAR MATERIAL.
IT, IT IS DARK INSTEAD OF BLUE, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I MEAN I LOVE THE, THE LOOK WHEN IT'S BRAND NEW YEAH.
AND THAT, MY EXPERIENCE, AND, AND I KNOW THE, THE MATERIAL WE'VE USED COMMERCIALLY IS LITERALLY A, A PROJECT THAT COMES TO MARKET AS A CM, WHICH IS GENERALLY A VERY DURABLE PRODUCT.
AND WHERE WE'VE USED IT IN LIGHT COLORS, YOU KNOW, IN WHITE OR SILVER, IT'S BEEN VERY HERBAL.
BUT WHERE WE USE IT IN DARK COLORS LIKE GREEN AND IT'S PROBABLY A, A SIX OR SEVEN YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY, BUT YEAH.
BUT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH AND HAVE A SPECIALTY COMPANY COME OUT AND REPAINT IT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS NOT A, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE MOST ELABORATE PROCESS, BUT IT'S A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN JUST HAVING A BLOCK REPAINTED.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ONLY FOUND ONE GROUP HERE IN TOWN THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.
UM, SO I, SO THESE, I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY I, I ASKED ABOUT A CM IN PARTICULAR, BUT ALSO THESE SIGNS HAVE A LOT MORE ELABORATE DESIGN THAN OUR A CM, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH JUST BACKGROUND.
SO HOW, I MEAN, IF WE DID GO WITH A OR D, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE FOR REAL, REAL WORLD EXPECT? WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA GET INTO DISCUSSION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME MORE PROBABLY DETAILED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONTRACT OR THE CON THE, THE VENDORS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND, AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET TO THAT DETAILED DESIGN PIECE, SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
WELL, SORRY, JUST, BUT DIDN'T YOU, WE, DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT WE COULD DO THE STONE LOOK WITH THE STAINED STAINED CONCRETE? YOU CAN CERTAINLY, YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE SAME.
BUT WITH THE STONE, THAT'S WHAT I PREFER.
THAT'S NONE OF THESE OPTIONS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT'D BE YOU, LIKE THE PALE OVAL.
YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE MAYBE A, MAYBE LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY D FOR EXAMPLE, EXCEPT INSTEAD OF THE BLUE THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE MORE CONCRETE LOOK OF THIS UP HERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
WELL, THE ONE THAT, THE EXISTING ONE THAT, THAT YOU SHOWED, OR THE ONE THE ONE FROM, YEAH, EXACTLY.
WITH THE BLACK, UH, YEAH, WITH THE BLACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE BLACK WERE SET OUT OR THEY WERE INSET WAS JUST CUT.
SO THAT'S SO WE CAN SUBSTITUTE THE FLU.
OF, OF THESE, I MEAN NUMBER D OR LETTER D, IT SEEMS TO BE, I MEAN, JUST FROM AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, FROM THE OVERALL, LOOK, I, I LIKE, I MEAN CI, I'M NOT SUPER WILD ABOUT THE STAIR STEP THING.
YOU KNOW, A LOOKS LIKE AN ACADEMY,
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SPORTS BUILDING JUST TO ME.BUT I MEAN, WHICH VARIATION HAD THE LOGO ON THE COLUMN OR ON THE SIDE? WAS THAT B OR WAS THAT ONE OF THE OTHERS? UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THE LOGO BEING ON SOUNDS LIKE YOU PROBABLY WANT THE LOGO.
IF YOU DO THE LOGO ON TOP OF THE BRENTWOOD DICTATES THE SHAPE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENTLY THERE.
BUT YOU COULD STILL, YOU COULD STILL PUT IT ON SIDE ONE.
THE OTHERS MAYBE TOO, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THE SIGN, NOT HAVE SUCH A TALL OVAL.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A VARIATION THAT GIVES, 'CAUSE IF YOU GO BACK, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE ONES THAT HE HAD AT THE VERY END THERE WITH ALL OF 'EM, LET'S SEE, LET'S GET, OKAY.
AND, AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CITY OF OR WELCOME TWO IF YOU WANTED EITHER OF THOSE, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ROOM BECAUSE YOUR LOGO DICTATES WELL, I THINK IF WE HAVE THE SEAL, THEN IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S AN OFFICIAL CITY OFFICIAL PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL ONES.
IF YOU COULD PUT IT POSSIBLY IN ONE OF THOSE DESIGNS, IF YOU LIKED 'EM, YOU COULD PUT IT TO THE SIDE.
IT CHANGES YOUR, YOUR BLUE AREA IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAYBE MAKE THE ROOM FOR THE CITY OF OR WELCOME TO.
I MEAN I DON'T THINK I ANYTHING IF WE INCORPORATE THAT, LIKE THE, THE ONE THAT WAS B ONE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE SEAL WAS ON THE PILLAR? YEAH, YEAH.
SO THAT A SEPARATE MAINTENANCE ITEM.
YOU TAKE THIS SEAL AND YOU PUT IT RIGHT.
AND THAT WOULD EVEN LOOK GOOD TO ME ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN THAT CAN BE, SAY CITY OF OREGON, THE SEAL COULD EVEN BE A COLORED MATERIAL.
WE COULD FIND OUT THE COST ON IT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN JUST A EASY REPLACEMENT.
THAT'S, I'M SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REPLACE WITHOUT.
THOSE ARE THE BUDGET, WHEREVER, THREE YEARS, WE JUST HANG A NEW ONE UP THERE.
PRETTY MUCH 50 BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE THE, IF IT'S A COMPANY THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO 'EM, THEY JUST SAVE THOSE TEMPLATES.
AND THERE'S A, THERE ACTUALLY IS A COMPANY HERE LOCALLY, JARVIS, THAT, THAT DOES A LOT.
THAT ACTUALLY HAS DONE SEVERAL NOW THAT MIGHT LOOK GOOD BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE BLACK OR DARKER STAIN ON THE CONCRETE, WHICH IS MUCH CHEAPER UP CAPE I KNOW FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN THE SEAL WOULD OFFER THE COLLAR.
SO THE SEAL REALLY POPS AS THE COLLAR, THE POST AND YOU SWAP THAT THING OUT WITHOUT YEAH.
OUR DESIGNER'S ON THE CALL, SO HE'S HEARING ALL THIS DISCUSSION.
SO YEAH, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE BRICK STYLES, I MEAN, I REALLY LIKE THE BRICK IN A OR B BETTER THAN I LIKE D AND E, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT LOOKS MORE RURAL.
THAT'S SUCH A, A SMOOTH FRONT ON D.
YOU LIKE THE, YOU LIKE THE, UH, THE DEPTH OF THE, THE DEPTH, YEAH.
I THINK TEXTURE, IT'S MORE STACK STONE LOOK LIKE NELSON SAID, I THINK A'S KIND OF BIG I, I LIKE B AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT THAT LOGO ON THE SIDE, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
SO B AND D ARE THE SAME EXCEPT ESSENTIALLY, EXCEPT FOR THE BAR ACROSS THE FRONT.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT SAME DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT.
I THINK THE STONE ON B, IT LOOKS MUCH MORE LIKE OUR CITY THAN THE STONE AND D OR C.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT B ONE THAT YOU HAD? B, B ONE, B ONE THAT YOU SHOWED THAT ONE.
SO IT'S GOT THE LEG LOGO OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, NOW PART OF IT WAS AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S CERTAINLY MORE MODERN LOOKING THAN A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE YOU HAVE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS.
I THINK BECAUSE IT'S GOT WOOD AND STONE INTO YEAH.
THE, THE, THE MORE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITHOUT CLUTTERING IN IT DOES MAKE YOU LOOK AT, RECOGNIZE IT MORE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CURVE IT LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY UN THERE'S ALSO THE, THE WOOD IS NOT ABOVE STANDARD, BUT I'M SORRY, ALSO THE, THE WOOD ISN'T WOOD.
WHICH IS PROBABLY JUST AS DURABLE AS THE STONE IN THAT THING.
YEAH, I, I HAVE MY CONCERN WITH THAT ONE WAS THAT THAT WAS WOOD AND THAT, OH MY GOSH.
EVERY, AND IT CAN EVERY THREE YEARS TO STAIN IT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE GEN STONE IS THE GEN ITS POINT.
TO ME THAT MIGHT LOOK BETTER, UM, IF IT WAS A MORE OF A CIRCULAR OVAL SIGN OR JUST ALL RECTANGULAR IN THERE.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I LIKE THE SLOPE GAP, YOU'RE SAYING JUST HAVE IT BE A STRAIGHT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST A, A RECTANGULAR SHAPE IN THERE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS BECAUSE IF WE PUT THE WOOD, THE WOOD LOOK BEAM ACROSS, THEN WE'RE LIMITED.
NO, NOT YOU COULD, BUT SPACE IS LIMITED.
THAT'S KINDA WHAT ADOPTION D IS, ISN'T IT? IS IT OPTION D? YEAH.
NO, THE, NO, THE DESIGNER ON THE PHONE IS PROBABLY THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT SLOPE IS WHAT MAKES IT COOL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE, SO YOU, YOU COULD HAVE A CURVED TOP TO IT IF YOU WANT TO.
THAT WOULD STILL GIVE YOU PLENTY OF SPACE, I WOULD THINK.
SEE HOW IT STARTS ON THE LEFT.
YOU COULD DO THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TOP AS WELL.
YOU COULD DO THAT INSIDE THERE.
UM, IT JUST REDUCES QUITE A BIT, THE SIZE OF WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE
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LIMITED BY THE RIGHT, BY THE, BY THE BEAM GOING FAST.I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE COULD JUST MAKE IT LIKE A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A DOME LIKE YOU THE TOP.
LIKE JUST THE TOP TOTAL TOP CURVE.
YOU COULD STILL HAVE CITY OF THE MIDDLE OF IT ON THE TOP IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.
AND WELCOME IT TO BE THE FULL O TO YOUR POINT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FULL O NO, JUST, JUST THE TOP ON THE SIDE KIND CURVE.
THAT GIVES LIKE A CONTRAST TO THE STRAIGHT WOOD GOING ACROSS.
BUT TO BE CONTRARY, I MEAN, I THINK HAVING BE ASYMMETRICAL LIKE THAT IS WHAT I, I THINK IT LOOKS COOLER THAN, THAN ROUNDING IT OUT.
OH, YOU ACTUALLY LIKE THE ASYM ASYMMETRY
BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S JUST VERY DIFFERENT.
I, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE TO MARKET ANYTHING.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU GOT THE STRAIGHT LINE ACROSS AND THE, THE ASYMMETRIC KIND OF SIGN UNDERNEATH.
I MEAN, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE CREST, THE OVER ON THE COLUMN.
I LIKE THE ADD TO THE ASYMMETRY.
AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE YOUR WELCOME TO, OR YOUR CITY OF WHATEVER YOUR CHOICE.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK JANET SAID THIS AS WELL, BUT I THINK ONCE YOU PUT THE, THE CREST ON THERE, YOU DON'T NEED A NECESSARILY A WELCOME OR A CITY OF, BECAUSE I THINK THAT DELINEATES THAT THIS IS THE CITY.
IT'S AN OFFICIAL, IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T OFFICIALLY SAY CITY OF, BUT IT DOES.
SO, SO, SO LET ME, UM, YEAH, DON'T TRY TO SUMMARIZE THAT
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, Y'ALL, Y'ALL, BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN, THESE THINGS ARE PRETTY EASY TO REVISE, OKAY? MM-HMM
WE GET TAKE B AS OUR STARTING POINT, FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM
WE COULD CHANGE THE SIGN IN THE MIDDLE TO GET RID OF THE SLOPE PIECE AND WE CAN SHOW YOU TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST A SYMMETRICAL, RECTANGULAR LOOK.
AND WE CAN DO THE OTHER ONE WITH THE, THE ARCHES ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF THE ARCHES, I THINK FROM WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, IF WE WERE GONNA DO ANYTHING THIS, THE ASYMMETRY MM-HMM
WOULD BE BETTER THAN DOING YEAH.
AND THEN THIS ONE ASYMMETRICALLY WITH THE CREST.
WITH THE CREST, EXCEPT THAT DAWN IN A CONCRETE WITH STAINED RELIEF.
NOT THE BLUE, THE CONCRETE WITH THE, WITH THE BLACK.
SO YEAH, YOUR CREST IS GONNA BE YOUR, UH, AND I GUESS WITH THE, THE FULL SYMMETRY AND WITHOUT THE ASYMMETRY, JUST TO SEE WHICH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT, MS. ANDREWS? WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO BE SYMMETRICAL RIGHT TO LEFT, YOU KNOW, KNOW, I THINK, UH, OKAY, SO GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU THE OPTIONS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WILSON PIKE ENTRANCE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T HAVE STONE AROUND IT.
HAVE THAT WE IT HAS TO BE A FAKE STONE.
WITH ALUMINUM BEHIND IT TO BE FAKE STONE WITH THE, THE BREAKAWAY POLE SUPPORTS IN IT.
WHERE IT'S ON A LAMINATE BOARD WHERE IT IS STONE, BUT IT'S LIKE THIS.
AND THEY MAY, THEY MAY TALK TO THE SIGN PEOPLE AND GO, NO, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD FIT IN WONDERFULLY WITH YEAH.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE FOR ANY OF THE, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, YEAH.
THIS ONE DOESN'T BOTHER ME TOO BAD, BUT, SO RAY, WOULD YOU, YEAH.
ALSO EVERYBODY, I GUESS WOULD, WOULD YOU WANT THAT TO BE BLUE OR WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE PROBABLY THE SAME, SAME KIND OF SOUND RELIEF STICK.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, SAME FOR THE ENTRYWAY SIGN ON THE INTERSTATE, IS THAT RIGHT? AND MOST OF THESE CAN BE UP LIGHTED, CORRECT? YOU CAN, DEANNA, YOU CANNOT HIGHLIGHT FIXTURES.
I DO NOT BELIEVE, UM, ON STATE RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU'RE ALLOWED, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON THE STATE.
WITH, WELL, WITH THE ADVENT OF LEDS AND WHAT YOU CAN DO, IT MAY MAY NOT CHANGE WHAT YOU DO, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY RESTRICTIVE YEAH.
WE'LL, WE, WE'LL CONFIRM THAT, BUT I BELIEVE WE'LL CONFIRM THAT.
ON TDOT, ON TDOT RIGHT AWAY, YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY, UM, UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE LIGHTING WATER, UH, FIXTURES, ANY KIND OF GLARE, UM, THAT COULD PROVIDE, UM, A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE MOTORING PUBLIC.
UM, SO THAT IS WHAT I RECALL FROM TDOT.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY CHECK THAT.
WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES EITHER.
WHAT ABOUT REFLECTIVE LETTERING? CAN YOU HAVE REFLECTIVE LETTERING? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D WANT IT.
IT'S JUST, IS THAT AN OPTION YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAY ON STREET SIGNS? I DO NOT, YEAH.
I DO NOT BELIEVE SO REFLECTIVE,
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BECAUSE THEN IT, IT CONFUSES THE DRIVER WITH AN ACTUAL ROAD SIGN THAT DOES HAVE REFLECTION.WE CAN CHECK THE ROAD SIGNS MENTALITY.
NO, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK ON THAT.
YOUR QUESTION ON THE STACKED STONE LOOK STUFF, I THINK WHILE YOU CAN FLOAT IT UP ON POSTS FROM A, A ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I THINK FROM OUR AN ARTISTIC STANDPOINT, YOU COMPLETELY LOSE THE ILLUSION THAT YOU'VE STACKED STONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU NEVER SEE STACKED STONE UP ON UP ON STUFF.
'CAUSE IT, IT, IT BLOWS THE WHOLE YEAH.
SO, BUT ARE YOU SAYING, DID YOU SAY THOUGH, THAT WE COULD DO THE STACK STONE? THE PILLARS ARE INTEGRAL TO IT.
I, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WE'LL NEED TO CHECK WITH THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR TO SEE.
BUT, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO SO, BRAD, IF, IF I MAY, IF I MAY INTERJECT THE JEN STONE AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THEM AS A A PRODUCT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPANIES OUT THERE, BUT JEN STONE, I BELIEVE IS OUT OF COLORADO AND THEY DO MAKE A LINE OF EXTERIOR PRODUCTS THAT ARE ALL FAUX.
AND SO WHAT YOU ALL TOUCHED AND FELT EARLIER, THEY ALSO MAKE SOME COLUMNS IN THAT FAUX MATERIAL THAT SPRINKLED AWAY.
AND SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT FROM A TDOT REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD USE THOSE ON THE SMALLER, UM, OPTION THERE ON WILSON PIPE.
BUT, AND, AND AGAIN, WE ALSO NEED TO CHECK ON YOUR, YOUR POINT EARLIER ABOUT THE MATERIAL ITSELF AND YEAH.
JUST TO, CAN I GO HOME AND CARVE IN THIS, FOR EXAMPLE,
JUST UH, HOW SUSCEPTIBLE IT IS TO VANDALISM YEAH.
AND PART OF THAT GOES BACK TO HOW EASY TO REPAIR, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU CAN PICK A HAMMER AND HIT A STONE AND BREAK IT.
OR YOU CAN SPRAY PAINT CAN HARM A LOT OF THINGS.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA REPAIR, WHICH IS EASIER, UH, WHICH IS LESS COSTLY.
THIS WOULD BE MUCH LESS COSTLY, OBVIOUSLY.
BECAUSE YOU JUST CUT THAT OFF, TAKE IT OFF AND THEN REPLACE IT.
SO WE'LL GO, UH, WE'LL TAKE B AS OUR STARTING POINT, LIKE I SAID, AND WE'LL LOOK AT SYMMETRICAL VERSUS ASYMMETRICAL VERSUS RECTANGULAR.
UM, WITH THE SEAL, WITH THE GRAY LOOK, UH, ON THE INNER PART THERE.
LEMME MAKE SURE I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T, IT PROBABLY WAS, BUT OH, JUST QUICK.
NEXT, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF GIVES US THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO KIND OF FINALIZE THIS.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE THEN FROM THAT POINT WE MOVE INTO PHASE TWO, WHICH IS WHERE WE GET INTO MORE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THINGS AND REALLY SPECKING THIS STUFF AND GETTING DETAILED COST ESTIMATES, ALL THOSE THINGS FOR YOU.
SO CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE? SO DO YOU SEE THAT UNDER THE ONE RIGHT ABOVE PHASE TWO? THIS ONE? YEAH.
BUT I MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WOOD LOOK, BUT THAT IT'S GOT THAT EVERYTHING WE, THAT ASYMMETRIC, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT FAR OFF, IS IT? IT'S NOT, NO, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WOOD BEAM.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESNT HAVE THE WOOD FACE.
THAT GIVES US A CURVE AND THE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, UNLESS PEOPLE ARE WEDDED TO THE, TO THE BEAM, I'M LIKE, WELL THAT KIND OF LOOKS, WE GOT STACKED STONE.
THAT'S GOOD, GOOD, GOOD CATCH.
SO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, UH, ABOVE PHASE TWO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, MAYBE WITH THE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OPTIONS YEAH.
TO LOOK AT, TO HAVE THAT BE SANDS, THE BOARD LOOK.
AND THEN JUST TO MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A VERY GOOD PROFESSIONAL STAFF AT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHO THIS ALSO KIND OF REPRESENTS THEM.
SO IF THE FOLKS YOU KNOW, IN YOUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN INPUT OR THOUGHTS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS, I WOULD ASK AND MAYBE SOMETHING IF, IF YOU, IF YOU LIKE THE BLUE, BUT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE REPLACEMENT COST, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT IS REPLACEMENT COST OF THE OPTIONS.
'CAUSE IF YOU COME BACK AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO EXIT OUT.
IF, IF YOU FIND OUT THAT THEY, THAT THE REPLACEMENT COST, IF IT'S VANDALIZED OR FADES OR WHATEVER, IT'S GONNA BE EQUAL TO OR LESS, THEN YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE AESTHETIC AND SEE WHAT YOU LIKE.
SO I DON'T, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I CAN SUGGEST SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE WAYFINDER SIGNS, CHARLES, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE PICKED THAT UP DURING DEANNA AND THE YOU AS WELL.
IF YOU DO THE, IF YOU STICK WITH THE ALUMINUM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEPENDING ON I THINK WHERE IT'S NOT A REAL EXPENSIVE REPLACEMENT.
WHEN WE DID THE WAYFINDERS ALL AROUND TOWN, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE ARROWS? LIKE SAY BRENTWOOD HIGH.
YOU'VE SEEN THAT, THAT BRIGHT BLUE, RIGHT? THAT WAS NOT AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT.
UM, NOW AGAIN, IT CAN BE, I UNDERSTAND.
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO KNOW ROUGHLY HOW LONG THOSE LAST BEFORE YOU NOTICE, UH, THAT THE, THAT YOU'RE LOSING THE COLOR AND STARTING TO FADE.
I MEAN, WE, THEY'VE BEEN UP TWO YEARS.
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SO WE'VE JUST HAD 'EM UP A COUPLE OF YEARS THE SAME WAY WE'RE LIKE ENTERING THE CITY LIMIT SIGNS YOU SEEN, WE'VE GOT THOSE CHANGED OVER FROM THE OLD GREEN OR WHATEVER.SAME THING WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL NEED TO BE MONITORED PROBABLY CHARLES, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FADE FACTOR YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MONEY.
TWO YEARS STILL LOOK GOOD THOUGH.
AND THAT, THAT, NOW THAT IS ALSO BECAUSE IT IS UH, IT DOES HAVE THE, THE REFLECTIVITY I THINK WITH THAT AS WELL.
THAT'D HAVE BE T CD COMPLIANT.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED TALKING TO THE, UM, THE MANUFACTURER ABOUT WHAT THEY EXPECT.
BUT I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE SOME REFERRALS THAT PEOPLE PUT THESE IN FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR.
THE, THE KEY WOULD BE IF, IF YOU DO WHAT I'LL CALL AN ALUMINUM INSERT IS THAT THE INSTALLATION IS THAT TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REINVENT THE WHEEL TO, TO PULL THE INSERT OUT OF THE ALUMINUM AND PUT THE NEW ONE IN.
IF THE, IF THE, IF THE COLOR FADES IN, LET'S SAY FIVE YEARS, IF IT'S NOT AN, AN EXPENSIVE INSTALLER, REINSTALL AS IT WOULD BE THE MATERIAL ITSELF.
I THINK THAT'S KEY IN YOUR SIGN PLACEMENT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A THREE DAY ORDEAL TO GET THE SIGN OUT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE ALUMINUM INSERT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A WELL THAT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION.
'CAUSE THE EXAMPLES I'M USING ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND THERE ARE SOME STUFF THAT'S BUILT IN PLACE THAT DOES NOT COME DOWN.
AND I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE AND SOMETHING CAN BE TAKEN IN THE SHOP AND BROUGHT BACK OR, OR JUST REPLACED OUTRIGHT.
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REPLACEMENT, MAKE SURE THE INSTALL ISN'T TO WHERE WE GOTTA REINVENT THE WHEEL TO GET IT IN.
YOU GOTTA TEAR THE WHOLE SIGN UP BAR RIGHT NOW THAT GOES BACK TO THAT BEAM DESIGN.
'CAUSE YOU COULD DESIGN THE SIGN WHERE THE BEAMS EASILY NOT TOO SO EASILY REMOVABLE THAT IT'S A TEMPTATION TO REMOVE.
IT'S PART OF A PRANK, BUT IT'S EASILY REMOVABLE CLIMB.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S JUST A LID AND THEN THE SIGN CAN ACTUALLY, WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE OR ALUMINUM OR WHATEVER, CAN JUST COME RIGHT UP AND OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS TO HELP YOU GET STARTED WITH? YES.
WE'VE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'VE HAD YOU FOR A COUPLE HOURS.
WOULD WOULD YOU LIKE US TO WAIT AND BRING THE WEBSITE, REFRESH BACK AT THE NEXT BRIEFING? I, I UP TO YOU DO.
WHAT DO YOU THINK SARAH, SCHEDULE FOR US TO GET TO IT? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS ON IT AND I'LL, WE CAN HEAR IT, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING LIVE WITH IT NEXT WEEK.
BUT ONE OF THE, WHICH IS OKAY 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN DO IS ACTUALLY JUST PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A SUMMARY FOR YOU AND SEND YOU THE PRE-LIVE LINKS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF FEEDBACK ON IT, UM, AND I WOULD JUST ADD VERY QUICKLY IS THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING ALL OF IT.
SO IT MIGHT BE LIKE MONDAY THAT I SEND YOU THIS SO THAT YOU CAN KINDA GO THROUGH IT.
BUT WE ARE, SARAH, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY TOO THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, THE INTENT OF IT ISN'T TO GIVE YOU A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF WEBSITE.
IT'S REALLY A BACKEND PLATFORM REFRESH.
IT'S A REALLY GOOD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT IN.
AND SO THAT MEANS THERE'S STILL LOTS OF POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S GONNA LOOK FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU, YOU'RE USED TO.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA GIVE A LOT MORE POTENTIAL, BETTER USABILITY, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO IF YOU SEE IT THAT WAY, YOU THINK, OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK.
WE COULD ALWAYS DO THAT LATER, BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED.
I REMEMBER EARLIER DISCUSSION.
IT'S MORE FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES.
'CAUSE THIS ONE'S NINE YEARS OLD.
THE ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS NINE YEARS OLD.
SO COMPLIANCE AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY, 'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE JUST DID IS WE PUT A WHOLE NEW FOUNDATION UNDER THE HOUSE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T REDONE THE PAINT TO THE FINISHER.
THE WE YOU'LL SEE A DIFFERENCE FOR SURE.
AND IT, I MEAN DEFINITELY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE UPDATED, UH, TO MORE MODERN DESIGN STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS A LOT MORE LIKE YOU WOULD SEE TEMPORARY MUNICIPALITIES LIKE SPRING, LIKE ANY WEBSITE CLEANER, YOU KNOW, MORE WHITE SPACE, UH, EASIER TO USE.
'CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUTDATED LOGOS, UH, AND SOME PIXELATION AND SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T AS GOOD FOR, WHAT'S THE WORD? I'M JUST LOOKING FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
SO THERE'S THE BIG CHANGE RIGHT NOW DOING THAT ACTUAL CLEANUP OR IS THE BIG CHANGE.
THEY PUT A PLATFORM IN PLACE THAT'S STARTING THE CLEANUP AND WE'RE MOVING IN THE PLATFORM'S IN PLACE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING, WE'RE HAVING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS CLEAN UP ALL THEIR CONTENT.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE MOVED OUT OF THE OLD HOUSE AND WE'RE MOVING INTO THE NEW HOUSE.
SO THAT'S THE WORKING PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH AND, UH, KEEP DOING ALL THAT.
SOMEBODY ACTUALLY CALLED ME LAST WEEK.
HE SAID, I THOUGHT HICKEY RETIRED.
I SAID, WHAT? AND HE SAID, I WANT YOU TO POLICE WEBSITE.
AND HE SAID, SAYS HICKEY ALL OVER IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I DID TEXT HIM TO SAY I'M REPLACING YOU EVERYWHERE.
I'LL GET THE LINKS TO YOU GUYS IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
AND FEEL FREE TO CALL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON IT AND THOUGHTS.