* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND [ Call to Order Roll Call Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag] GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO THE JUNE TWO MEETING. ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE MAY AGENDA ON JUNE TWO, AND, UM, WE'D JUST LIKE TO WELCOME YOU HERE. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. UH, WE'LL START WITH, UH, OUR CALL TO ORDER, AND, UH, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESIDENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR. WE DO HAVE ONE NEW COMMISSIONER WHO HAS JOINED US, AND, UH, TAKING THE SEAT RECENTLY VACATED BY COMMISSIONER CHURCH IS BETSY CROSLEY. SHE IS NOT A STRANGER TO THIS, TO THIS PANEL OR TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND ALSO SITTING HERE WATCHING ME LIKE A HAWK IS THE CHAIRMAN, UH, JANET DONAHUE. NOW, UH, UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM THE AREA, YOU KNOW THAT JANET WAS RECENTLY ELECTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION. HOWEVER, SHE STILL HAS THIS ONE MEETING LEFT, UH, TONIGHT, AND WE'RE GLAD SHE'S HERE. AND I WANNA PERSONALLY TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK HER FOR HER SERVICE TO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN STELLAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, UH, LET'S START WITH OUR PLEDGE. AND THAT WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER BAIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, HAVE [1. May 5, 2025] YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MEETINGS, UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, MOVE TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER KAPLAN AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITIONS? ABSTENTIONS, AB ABS ABSTAIN. TWO ABSTENTIONS. OKAY. THAT'S A MAIN STANDING, RIGHT? OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, BUT THAT, THAT WAS ENOUGH. AND SO THOSE PASS INTO THE RECORD. UM, WE NOW START OUR AGENDA WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I WILL TELL YOU THERE ARE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. SO JUST KIND OF BEAR WITH ME. EXCUSE ME. OH, YES. I DO NEED TO LET YOU KNOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE, UH, ALLOWED ON ALL REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS OR ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND MOVED TO THE, UM, TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND ANY PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK AFTER BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR WILL PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND LIMIT YOUR, UM, COMMENTS TO THE ITEM BEING, UH, DISCUSSED. AND, UH, IF YOU ALL PLAY BY LITTLE RULES, WE'LL DO GREAT. ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. CONSENT AGENDA, I'M [ Consent Agenda] JUST GONNA READ THESE INTO THE RECORD, UH, BEGINS WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 0 2 REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR BRENTWOOD HILLS SUBDIVISION SECTION THREE LOT 95 11 18 LONG STREET CIRCLE IN THAT ZONING IS R TWO, CONSENT ITEM TWO BPC 25 0 5 DASH OH OH THREE. THAT IS A MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION FOR PUBLIC STORAGE. UM, COOL SPRINGS VILLAGE LOT 1 0 1, UH, 71 0 2 BAKERS BRIDGE. AND THAT ZONING IS C3. ITEM THREE IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH ZERO FOUR. AND THAT IS A PARKING STUDY FOR BRENTWOOD WELLNESS RECOVERY AND DETOX. AND THAT IS AT 60, UH, EXCUSE ME, 1668 MALLORY LANE ZONING FOR THAT IS C3 CONSENT. ITEM FOUR IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 0 5. THAT IS A MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION, UH, FOR THE BRENTWOOD AUTO WASH AT 4 22 WILSON PIKE CIRCLE LOT ONE ZONING C TWO ITEM FIVE IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH ZERO SIX A REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN REVIEW AT CROCKETT SPRING, SPRING SUBDIVISION, SECTION ONE LOT 11 17 31 ANDREW CROCKETT COURT. AND THAT ZONING IS OSRD. UM, THIS SAYS, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY, I I SKIPPED ONE. UH, ITEM FIVE IS 25 0 5 DASH OH SIX. THAT'S REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN, UH, 64 52 T ROSE TERRACE. AND THAT ZONING IS R TWO. AND THE OTHER ONE, WHICH I SKIPPED AHEAD AND READ, WAS BPC 25 0 5 0 0 7, AND [00:05:01] THAT'S A REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN REVIEW. CROCKETT SPRINGS SECTION ONE LOT 11 17 31 ANDREW, UH, CROCKETT COURT. AND THAT ZONING IS OSRD. UH, ITEM SEVEN IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 0 8. REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR AN ENTRANCE FENCE AT ARCADIA SUBDIVISION RAGSDALE ROAD. AND THAT IS ZONING OSRD. ITEM EIGHT IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH ZERO NINE REVISED FINAL PLAT ALLENS GREEN SUBDIVISION ON SPLIT LOG ROAD. AND THAT ZONING IS OSRD. ITEM NINE IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 1 2. AND THAT IS A REVISED MASTER PLAN EAST PARK SUBDIVISION LOTS, TWO AND THREE. AND THAT'S AT NUMBER TWO, MARYLAND WAY. AND NUMBER THREE, MARYLAND WAY. THAT ZONING IS C ONE AND C TWO RESPECTIVELY. ITEM 10 IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH IS A MINOR SITE PLAN. ALTERATION BUILDING TWO EAST PARK SUBDIVISION LOT THREE. AND THAT IS AT, UH, TWO MARYLAND WAY. THAT ZONING IS ALSO C TWO. UH, FINALLY, ITEM 11 BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 11 0 1 1, EXCUSE ME, MINOR SITE PLAN AL ALTERATION BUILDING THREE AT EAST PARK SUBDIVISION LOT ONE. AND THAT ADDRESS IS THREE MARYLAND WAY AND THE ZONING IS C ONE. AND THOSE ARE THE MATTERS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO MOVE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. LET'S HEAR FROM YOU RIGHT NOW. EVERYBODY COOL WITH THOSE? YEP. IF NOT, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR THE PASSAGE OF THIS CONSENT AGENDA AS IT'S WRITTEN. MOTION TO ACCEPT COMMISSIONER KAPLAN IS A MOTION. SECOND COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSITIONS? ABSTENTIONS IN THAT CASE? THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ACCEPTED. MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, UH, ITEM ONE IS COMING UP AND THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TODD PETROWSKI WILL TALK TO US ABOUT. THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU'RE NOT STAYING FOR THE DRAWING, YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND LEAVE NOW IF YOU WANT. QUESTION YOU THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND WE, I HOW ITEM SIX ARE WE? AM I DONE THEN? YEP. YEAH. CONSENT. IT IS BEEN ACCEPTED. YES. MS. DON? I SUGGESTED DONUTS, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU CAME IN. YES. YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD DONUTS OR CAKE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, DOWNSTAIRS. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO THE REGULAR AGENDA [1. Ordinance 2025-06 - AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 78-420(C)(4) OF THE ZONING CODE TO CHANGE THE ALLOWANCES FOR ATHLETIC FIELD SIGNS AND SCOREBOARDS ] ORDINANCE 25 0 5 DASH OH SIX AMENDING SECTION 78 DASH FOUR 20 C FOUR OF THE ZONING COURT TO CHANGE THE ALLOWANCES FOR ATHLETIC FIELD SIGNS AND SCOREBOARDS. GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR, PETROWSKI. HOW ARE YOU? UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UM, YES, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE REVISION, UH, PROPOSES CHANGES TO THE S SERVICE INSTITUTION DISTRICT'S, UH, SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES FOR ATHLETIC FIELD AND SCOREBOARD SIGNAGE. UM, THIS REQUEST WAS INITIATED BY BRENTWOOD ACADEMY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, BUT, UH, BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL. THEY BOTH HAVE ATHLETIC FIELD SCOREBOARDS, UM, ALTHOUGH RARELY USED. UM, THE COUNTY DID USE THEIR HIGHER REGULATORY AUTHORITY NOT TO COMPLY WITH OUR SIGN ORDINANCE AND INSTALL THESE SCOREBOARDS. UM, BRENTWOOD ACADEMY, UH, KIND OF FELT LEFT OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE A PRIVATE SCHOOL. THEY ARE SUBJECT TO OUR SIGN ORDINANCE REVISION OR REQUIREMENTS. UH, THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO COMPARE WHAT RAVENWOOD AND BRENTWOOD ACADEMY CURRENTLY HAD AND TRY TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW BRENTWOOD ACADEMY TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS DONE. UM, THE PROPOSED INCREASE, UM, INCREASES THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY AREA FROM 200 SQUARE FEET TO 710 SQUARE FEET. UM, THERE ARE ALSO FOUR OTHER MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED. UM, NUMBER ONE, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY, UM, COULD BE USED ANY TIME FOR SCORE AND TIMEKEEPING ONLY. UH, ANOTHER ITEM, A MAXIMUM OF A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING AREA W WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE SCOREBOARD STRUCTURE ITSELF. UH, ANOTHER CHANGE PROPOSED THE SCOREBOARD AND ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY, UH, MAY NOT EXCEED A TOTAL HEIGHT OF 40 FEET. AND THEN THE LAST CHANGE PROPOSED WOULD BE ONLY, UH, ALLOWING THESE ELECTRONIC MIS MESSAGE DISPLAY BOARDS, UM, TO BE SINGLE-SIDED [00:10:01] AND ONLY ALLOW ONE PER CAMPUS. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, UH, DOES CURRENTLY ALLOW ADVERTISING ON THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY AREA OF THE BOARD. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS THAT. NOW, UM, THE, THE CONTINUED MEETING SCHEDULE WOULD BE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON MONDAY, JUNE 9TH. AND THEN SECOND AND FINAL READING IS PROPOSED FOR MONDAY, JUNE 23RD. UH, CITY STAFF, UH, WE REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AS YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AT THE INFORMATIONAL BRIEFING ON THURSDAY, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS THE SITTING ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. UM, ANYBODY HERE ON THIS PANEL HAVE ANY FOLLOW UPS AFTER THAT EXPLANATION? I, I, WHAT ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD DID WE HAVE BEFORE? IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TWO THAT PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE? SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE SMALLER BOARDS THEY USED TO HAVE THAT REALLY JUST HAD THE NUMBERS ON THEM? NO, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT ME TO, I'M HAPPY TO SAY SO. THE ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARDS WERE ALLOWED BEFORE IT WAS THE SIZE THAT IS THAT, UM, BOTH BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL CHOSE TO SUPERSEDE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THEY MADE THEIRS BIGGER IN CONFORMANCE, I GUESS WITH THE NEW STYLE OF ATHLETIC SCOREBOARD. SO THAT'S BEEN THE DISCREPANCY. SO, SO WE HAD AN ORDINANCE PREVIOUSLY, BUT NO ONE WAS USING IT UNTIL THEY PUT THEIR TWO IN. THAT SUPERSEDED IT. CORRECT. WELL, AND, AND I SAY I, I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN COMFORTABLY SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD BEFORE. OKAY. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT, BUT UM, AGAIN, IT, IT, THEY WERE ALLOWED, IT WAS THE SIZE. SO WHEN THEY WENT TO THIS METHOD, THE, IT'S THE LARGER SIZE THAT'S NOW THE TECHNOLOGY, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KAPLAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES, SIR. YES. ARE, ARE WE CONFUSING THE TERMS ELECTRONIC AND DIGITAL SCOREBOARD? BECAUSE THE SCOREBOARD THAT HAS LIGHTS ON IT THAT WE'RE ALL USED TO, CUS LIKE WHAT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY CURRENTLY HAS MM-HMM . THAT'S A TECHNICALLY AN ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD, BUT OUR ORDINANCE IS JUST CHANGING IT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING DIGITAL LIKE THESE TWO ISN'T REALLY PART OF THE ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST SIZE. CORRECT. YES. SO, BUT ON ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD, ALL OF THE SCOREBOARDS THAT HAVE ELECTRICITY GOING TO 'EM. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT SO THE 200 SQUARE FOOT CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES IT CAPS THIS AREA, WHICH IS THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY. THIS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS CALLED, THE BLACK PORTION. BUT WHAT'S BUT PREVIOUS SCOREBOARDS WERE TECHNICALLY STILL AN ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD. IT'S JUST WHEN WE SEE THESE, WE THINK THIS IS ELECTRONIC. BUT THE TRUTH IS THIS IS JUST A DIGITAL SCOREBOARD. AND THE ORDINANCE HAD NOTHING TO DO DIFFERENT BETWEEN DIGITAL, ELECTRONIC DIGITAL AND THE OLD KIND THAT HAD LIGHTS ON IT. CORRECT. THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS SMALLER. YES. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YES. WE'VE HAD TO CHANGE NOTHING. YES. IT'S JUST CORRECT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS TECHNOLOGY, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S ADVANCED. UM, ALL THE SCHOOLS HAVE TOLD THE CITY THAT THIS IS WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS. SO, AND AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN IT USED AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SO FAR, THIS IS JUST TO ALLOW THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN TAKING. SO IF WE'RE NOW GONNA ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, ARE, ARE THERE GONNA BE OTHER SCOREBOARDS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET MODIFIED AND WHAT IS GONNA BE THE STANDARD FORCE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE? SO ARE WE ALL GONNA GO WITH THE MUCH LARGER ONE FROM NOW ON? WELL, I'M, I'M SURE THE SCHOOLS WILL, WILL TRY TO DO THE LARGER ONE, BUT WE'VE PUT LIMITATIONS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. WE'VE DRAFTED LIMITATIONS, SO ONLY ONE ALLOWED PER CAMPUS AND SINGLE-SIDED AT THAT. SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT IF THEY HAD MULTIPLE FIELDS SOCCER, ONCE ONE BASEBALL, ONCE ONE FOOTBALL WE'RE SAYING ONE IS ALLOWED PER CAMPUS AND IT HAS TO BE SINGLE-SIDED. I I WILL SAY, AND THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ANSWER, BUT THESE THINGS ARE INSANELY EXPENSIVE TOO. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT SCHOOLS ARE GONNA JUST BE RUNNING OUT TO DO. THEY'RE IN THE SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN RAISED BY PTO FUNDS OR, OR BOOSTER CLUB FUNDS. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LEGAL ANSWER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE LIKE ALL THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS RUNNING OUT TO DO. BUT EVEN SO, AS MR. PETROSKI SAID, THOSE ARE INTERNAL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, RESTRICTIONS IN THE CODE THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THAT KIND OF CONCERN. OKAY. SO, AND ONE OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS IS THAT THEY BE INWARD FACING. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND AS OPPOSED TO A BILLBOARD, WHICH IS ON A ROADWAY AND YOU GET TRAFFIC. RIGHT. AND STATE LAW DICTATES WHAT BILLBOARDS ARE, I MEAN THEY'RE ON STATE HIGHWAYS AND RIGHT. YEAH. SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE THAN THIS. OKAY. [00:15:01] YEAH. TEMPERATURE TRAVIS, DOESN'T IT JUST SCOREBOARDS ARE JUST AT HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS DON'T PLAY FOOTBALL OR ON THEIR CAMPUS? DO, I MEAN SOME OF THEM DO, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE, AGAIN, THEY'RE USUALLY JUST SCORE KEEPING SCOREBOARD. SO YEAH, I CAN'T, I WAS JUST SAYING WE'RE THINKING MORE HIGH SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT A LEGAL ANSWER. THAT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY KNOWLEDGE ANSWER. SO, BUT KEN, TO YOUR POINT, WE WOULD ONLY HAVE BRENTWOOD, MIDDLE WOODLAND. OUR TWO CURRENT MIDDLE SCHOOLS BOTH PLAY OFFSITE. THE ONLY ONE COULD BE POSSIBLY BE THE NEW SPLIT LOG MIDDLE, BUT THEN IT ALSO GOES BACK TO COUNTY, CITY AND WHAT WE SAY DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO THE COUNTY ANYWAY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR WHICH THE SIGN ORDINANCE COULD APPLY? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR WHICH THIS NEW SIGN ORDINANCE COULD APPLY? WELL THERE, I MEAN THEY'RE, IT, IT'S LIMITED TO ATHLETIC FIELDS, BUT THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE PER CAMPUS. AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF ATHLETIC FIELD, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK, ALLISON? YEAH. ATHLETIC EVENT BETWEEN TWO OR MORE SCHOOLS. ATHLETIC EVENT DOES NOT INCLUDE PRACTICES, SCRIMMAGES OR ANY NON-ATHLETIC SCHOOL OR COMMUNITY EVENTS. SO THE CODE IS WRITTEN TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS TYPE OF USE. AND, AND ONLY AN HOUR BEFORE THE ATHLETIC EVENT AND 30 MINUTES AFTER THE ATHLETIC EVENT. CAN THEY BE OPERATED OR USED? WE HAVE A EXCUSE THIS MR. CROSSLEY. YEAH. SO A QUICK CLARIFICATION. IF, IF A CHURCH COULD AFFORD A SCOREBOARD FOR THEIR FIELD, IF THEY HAVE A FIELD FOR THEIR EVENTS, OUTSIDE EVENTS, THEY COULD HAVE A SCOREBOARD OR IS THIS SPECIFIC TO SCHOOLS ONLY? NO, IT'S, IT, IT IT INCLUDES BECAUSE INCLUDES THE SI DISTRICTS. YEAH. SO YES, A CHURCH COULD, IF IT'S ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD, I WAS GONNA SAY SOME CROCKETT PARK WITH THE BLAZE, WOULD THAT BE, IT'S AN ATHLETIC FIELD, WOULD THAT BE, UH, IT'S SI ZONING. UM, BUT IT'S ALSO CITY PROPERTY. IT'S ALSO CITY PROPERTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO COMMENT ON THIS? WE GOOD IN THAT CASE? IS THERE A MOTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? VOTE TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. SECOND MOTION. WHO SECONDED? COMMISSIONER BAIN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE SHALL VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. THIS ORDINANCE, UH, THIS, THIS ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THE REGULAR ITEM [2. BPC2505-001 Use Determination & Minor Site Plan Alteration - Yardstick Dog Hotel, Brentwood Place Shopping Center, 330 Franklin Road, Suite 222B, Zoning C-2 - Applicant: Yardstick Dog Hotel, 1319 Trapp Lane, Winnetka, IL 60093] NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS BPC 25 0 5 DASH 0 0 1. IT'S A USE DETERMINATION AND MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION TO THE YARD STICK DOG HOTEL BRENTWOOD PLACE SHOPPING CENTER, THREE 30 FRANKLIN ROAD, SUITE 2 22 B. AND THAT ZONING IS C TWO? YES. SO, UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR A USE DETERMINATION WITHIN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT AND AN ALSO, ALSO A MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION TO APPROVE, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF THROUGH THREE NEW WINDOWS AT THE BACK OF THE TENANT SPACE. UM, SO THE, THE USE, THE USE PROPOSAL IS A DOG BOARDING AND DAYCARE FACILITY, UM, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SOME LIGHT BATHING SERVICES, UH, FOR, FOR THE BOARDING AND DAYCARE GUEST ONLY. UM, THEY, THEY ANTICIPATE HAVE BOARDING DOGS, UH, 365 DAYS A YEAR. UM, THE FACILITY, SOMEONE WOULD BE THERE OVERNIGHT. UM, A STAFF MEMBER WOULD BE THERE OVERNIGHT. WHENEVER ANIMALS ARE PRESENT. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 55 ENCLOSURES OR SUITES. UM, THERE IS NO OUTDOOR USES BEING PROPOSED. SO THE, THERE'S NOT A A FENCED AREA OUTSIDE. ALL THE DOGS WILL BE INDOORS. UM, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS. SO THIS PROPOSED USE IS NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT. HOWEVER, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS WITHIN, UH, KEEPING CHARACTER OF THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT. AND YOU CAN APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC USE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. UM, WE HAVE FIVE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE USE DETERMINATION AND THE MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION. [00:20:03] QUICK QUESTION FROM ME. THE WINDOWS ARE JUST FOR, UH, IT IS A DAYLIGHT, IT'S A LIGHT SOURCE. RIGHT? AND NOT AN OPEN WINDOW, NOT WINDOW THAT OPENS. IT'S MY, UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE JUST FOR, UH, LIGHT. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, PLEASE. SURE. UH, DAVID KIN THE CEO OF YARDSTICK. UM, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY'D BE OPERABLE 'CAUSE IT WHEN THE DOGS AREN'T IN THEM, LIKE IN THE EVENINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO ALLOW THE AIR TO GET FRESH AIR. OKAY. BECAUSE THE, THE, AS YOU CAN KIND OF TELL, BUT THE ENCLOSED YARD AREA WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE WINDOWS, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A TURF, ARTIFICIAL TURF, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE THE DOGS WILL RELIEVE THEMSELVES. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CLEANING PROTOCOLS, IT'S, IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOME FRESH AIR GET IN IN THE EVENING. MY QUESTION WAS A ONE ABOUT NOISE YEAH. WHEN DOGS WALK ARE OPEN AND WHO IS AFFECTED BY THAT NOISE? UH, YOU KNOW, SO WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, SO THEY'D BE, THEY'D BE OPEN RIGHT IN THE EVENING WHEN DOGS AREN'T IN THAT, THAT YARD. OKAY. IS, IS HOW WE'LL, HOW WE WOULD OPERATE. OKAY. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THIS PANEL? UM, ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY. SO IS OUR ALLOWING THIS USE IN THE C TWO ZONE THAN A STANDARD FOR ALL THE C TWO ZONINGS? OR IS IT SPECIFIC FOR THIS ITEM? FOR THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY, THIS COMPANY IT MAKES IT AN ACCEPTABLE OR ALLOWABLE USE FOR THE DISTRICT FROM THIS POINT BOARD. OKAY. SO YES, BUT AGAIN, A SITE PLAN WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO COME AND MAKE SURE THAT SURE. IT MEETS THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. OKAY. BUT THANK YOU. SO THE OPERATION THEN IS CONTROLLABLE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT CORRECT. WITH, AGAIN, WITHIN THE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE FOR A SITE PLAN, SO, OKAY. YES SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CROWLEY? IF THERE ANY SPECIAL PARKING ARRANGEMENTS? THERE'S A PRETTY HIGH VOLUME OF YES. ANIMAL CROSSINGS, THE PARKING LOT, THE DRY VILES YES. IN AND OUT. AND THEN ALSO ABOUT NOISE CONCERNS, NOT NEC FOR BOTH THE ADJACENT TENANTS YEAH. BUT ALSO FOR SHOPPERS VISITORS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER EXTERNALLY WHO MIGHT NOT BE VISITING YOUR SITE. YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. SO I'LL TAKE 'EM. WELL, SO WE CAN MAYBE START WITH THE NOISE CONCERNS. SO THIS IS JUST A ROUGH, YOU KNOW, ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN. AND SO WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE DO TO MITIGATE NOISE BEYOND JUST OUR, OUR OPERATIONS. BUT SO STRUCTURALLY, YOU KNOW, BY, BY LEASE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEED TO INSTALL, UH, INSULATE LIKE AT THE DEMISING WALLS WITH THE ADJACENT TENANT STC 60 INSULATION. RIGHT? IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD OF, OF SOUND CONTROL. DOES IT EXTEND ABOVE THE CEILING GRID? UH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. TO THE DECK, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU HAVE IN YOUR MINDS, LIKE A, A TYP TYPICAL KENNEL RIGHT? OR BOARDING FACILITY. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THESE DIFFERENT GROUPINGS OF ROOMS. SO WE CALL 'EM, YOU KNOW, SUITE ROOMS. AND SO, UM, ALL OF THEM RIGHT, ARE HAVE DROP CEILING, THEY HAVE DOORS, RIGHT? SEPARATING THEM FROM CIRCULATION. IT'S A MUCH CALMER, QUIETER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE DOGS, UM, THAN, THAN KIND OF LIKE YOUR TYPICAL SORT OF WAREHOUSE STYLE FORMAT. UM, AND THEN OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER, UM, REASONS THESE, THESE BUSINESSES CAN GET NOISY AT TIMES ARE PLAYGROUP SIZE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON IN THE INDUSTRY TO WALK INTO A PLAYROOM GROUP AND IT'S 30 OR 40 DOGS. OURS KIND OF MAX OUT AT 10 OR 12 DOGS. AND TYPICALLY YOU'LL SEE DOGS PLAYING WITH ONLY A HANDFUL, WHICH JUST MINIMIZES NOISE A LOT. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE IN THE KIND OF ENCLOSED TURF YARDS IN, IN THE, THE INDOOR PLAYROOMS AS WELL. SO THAT, DOES THAT HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE, THE NOISE CONCERNS? AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OTHER PIECE, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, WE'VE GOT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM REGENCY, THE, THE LANDLORD, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE CLEARED THE USE WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORING TENANTS. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY HYPERSENSITIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT BREACHING ANY OF THEIR EXISTING LEASES. AND SO THEY'VE GOTTEN THE RECORDS OF APPROVALS FROM, FROM OUR NEIGHBORING TENANTS. SO ON THE NOISE, IF I WAS VISITING THE SHOPPING CENTER AND WALKING PAST THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD I HEAR FROM THE OUTSIDE? NOTHING. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOCATION IN NASHVILLE THAT SHARES ON, ON CHARLOTTE PIKE THAT SHARES A DEMISING WALL WITH A RESTAURANT. WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. WE'VE GONE INTO A SHOPPING CENTER IN DALLAS, YOU KNOW, TENANTS ON BOTH SIDES, NEVER AN ISSUE. UM, AND THEN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? YEAH. FOOT TRAFFIC. SO, SO TRAFFIC, I MEAN, WE, WE CALL OURSELVES A BOUTIQUE HOTEL FOR DOGS FOR A REASON. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER FORMAT. UM, SO WHERE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON IN THE INDUSTRY TO, TO SEE BUSINESSES HAVING 70, 80 DAY CARE DOGS A DAY, WHICH MEANS 70 OR 80 DOGS GETTING DROPPED OFF IN THE MORNING AND SEVEN OR 80 IN THE, IN THE EVENING. [00:25:01] US OUR DAYCARE CAPACITY TYPICALLY MAXES OUT AROUND 25. AND SO YOU'VE KIND OF HAVE A, A STEADY TRICKLE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SIX 30 AND 9:00 AM KIND OF WITH, WITH PEOPLE DROPPING OFF. I WOULD SAY NO MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN, THAN CRAM OF COFFEE KIND OF ACROSS THE PARKING LOT OR, OR ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, COFFEE CONCEPTS, RIGHT? LIKE THEY MIGHT SEE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SIMILAR SORT OF PICKUP ACTIVITY IN THE EVENING. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE CENSUS FOR THE DOGS DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEKENDS, YOU MENTIONED? YEAH, KIND OF THAT, JUST QUANTITIES. YEAH. YOU MEAN? YEAH. AND AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE EARLY DROP OFF PERIOD, HIGH VOLUME. YEAH. IS THERE A SIMILAR HIGH VOLUME PERIOD IN THE EVENINGS? AND DOES THAT FLUCTUATE ON THE WEEKENDS? YES. SO DAYCARE BEHAVIOR, RIGHT, IS, IS PEOPLE TYPICALLY ARE LOOKING FOR COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, YOU KNOW, WHILE FOR THEIR WORK DAY, RIGHT? SO YOU'D EXPECT THE DROP OFF TO BE IN THE MORNING, UH, AND THEN THE PICKUP TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOUR 30 ONWARD OR SO. AND THEN WEEKENDS TEND TO BE, FRANKLY, VERY LITTLE COMING AND GOING. CERTAINLY ON SATURDAYS YOU GET SOME DROP OFF ACTIVITY ON, ON FRIDAYS, RIGHT? AS PEOPLE ARE HEADING OUTTA TOWN FOR WEEKENDS. UH, AND THEN SOME PICKUP ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON SUNDAY. BUT SO SATURDAY, SUNDAY WE DON'T OPERATE DAYCARE. SO INSTEAD, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME BORDERS GETTING PICKED UP ON SUNDAY. WHAT'S YOUR EARLIEST DROP OFF? SIX 30. AND YOUR LATEST PICKUP? SIX 30. YEAH. BUT WE DO HAVE SOMEONE THERE OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, 24 7. UM, JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE DOGS, FRANKLY, THERE IS NO SPECIFIED LOADING ZONE OR UNLOADING ZONE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NO, NO. THEY'LL JUST PARK, YOU KNOW, KNOW IDEALLY. SO THEY'LL PARK IN A REGULAR PARKING SPACE. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND WALK ACROSS. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TUCKED IN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A SIDE PLAN OF THE CENTER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE LEAST DESIRABLE PART OF THE, OF THE CENTER. WE'RE RIGHT HERE. UM, AND SO, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN, ESPECIALLY GIVEN MOST PEOPLE ARE DROPPING OFF IN THE MORNING, I WOULD EXPECT THE PARKING LOT TO BE PRETTY EMPTY AT THAT HOUR. SO, SO FOLKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK PRETTY CLOSE. SORRY, ONE MORE. YEAH. SO WHETHER A DOG IS THERE FOR ONE HOUR OR 12 HOURS DURING THE DAY OR ONE DAY OR FIVE DAYS, YEP. DOES THAT DOG EVER LEAVE THE PREMISES? NO. NO, WE DON'T. THERE'S NO, I MEAN, YOU MAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE INDUSTRY YOU MIGHT SEE UPCHARGES FOR DOG WALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THESE DOGS DO NOT LEAVE THE PREMISES. COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. YEAH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR A CITY ATTORNEY, OKAY. THESE PEOPLE IN, IN A SENSE MAKE A COMPELLING CASE FOR SOMEONE THAT'S GONNA HANDLE ABOUT 50 DOGS. NOW IF ANOTHER DOG SITTER COMES AND WANTS TO PUT 120 DOGS IN THIS ZONING CATEGORY, DO WE HAVE TO SAY YES? DOES THIS SET THE TONE FOR THAT OR, I I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL SUPER COMFORTABLE ASKING THAT OR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION ON THE RECORD FOR THE FUTURE, UM, IN CASE THAT HAPPENS. UH, AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE SITE PLAN AND CONCERNS THAT, THAT YOU COULD KEEP IN MIND. UM, THE REQUEST IS JUST GENERALLY FOR A DOG BOARDING FACILITY. SO I THINK THAT IS THE USE THAT YOU WOULD BE APPROVING. UM, AND AGAIN, WITHOUT TO GIVE YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, THE, IT STILL HAS TO MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ANY FUTURE ONE, A FUTURE PROPOSED DOG BOARDING FACILITY WOULD HAVE TO MR. CHAIR. YES. ONE, ONE THING THAT MIGHT KIND OF HELP GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA ABOUT IF YOU HAVE A DESCENDING OF 50 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME OR, YOU KNOW, UH, I DOUBT THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS THE BRENTWOOD ROTARY IN THE MORNING USED TO MEET THERE AND THEY'D MEET AT SEVEN. OH YEAH. EVERYBODY WOULD COME AT ONE TIME AND EVERYBODY WOULD LEAVE AT ONE TIME. AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HEARING ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT IT. SO WAS THE CITY CAFE. YEAH, THEY LEFT THE CITY CAFE. THERE'S ALSO A CHICK-FIL-A ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. INDEED. . YEAH, . IS IT A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATED NUMBER SPACES FOR YOU? IT'S A SHARED AMONG SHARED. OKAY. I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE THAT. I REQUESTED THAT, BUT NO, THEY'RE SHARED. OKAY. YEAH. QUESTION. WHAT TYPE OF FEEDBACK DID YOU GET FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS THERE? YOU SAID YOU MET WITH THEM AND TOLD WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING. COME ON UP HERE, PLEASE. YEAH. I'M LIZ CRAIG. I WORK FOR REGENCY. UM, MY REAL ESTATE COMPANY'S ACTUALLY FOUNDRY. SO THEY MET WITH THE TWO ADJACENT TENANTS. THEY ALSO HAD TO GET A SIGN OFF FROM GALAXY GOLF GALAXY. YEP. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TO GET AN APPROVAL FROM CVS, SO THEY WENT THROUGH THE TENANTS THAT HAD SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS IN THEIR LEASES. AND THEN WE WENT TO THE ADJACENT TENANTS AND [00:30:01] JUST GOT THEIR PERMISSION, TOLD THEM WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. AND THOSE SAME GROUPS, UM, IT'S J CREW AND MERRILL NORMAN I THINK IS WHO'S RIGHT THERE. THEY HAVE THEM IN OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. SO THIS ISN'T ANYTHING KIND OF NEW TO THEM. I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY HAVE OPENED SIX DOGGY DAYCARES FOR OTHER COMPANIES AS WELL. MM-HMM . SO WE'VE ALL HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS. DID YOU HEAR ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM ANY TENANTS YOU SPOKE WITH? NOT HERE. SO I'VE BEEN DOING DOGGY DAYCARES PRIOR TO EVER MEETING THEM FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. AND WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO MARKET, WE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY COMPLAINING, THEY WERE SCARED OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SO THE SOUNDPROOFING THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. SORRY, I'M NOT USED TO TALKING IN FRONT OF A MICROPHONE. UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO THOSE SPACES, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR, YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SOUNDPROOFED HERE, IT'S SOUNDPROOFED IN ALL OF THE ROOMS AS WELL. AND SO UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE IN AN OLD BUILDING, THAT'S A TWO STORY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT REVERBERATION WITH THE MM-HMM . WITH THE WIRES OR WHATNOT. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER HAD AN ISSUE. BUT IT WAS ON A TWO STORY BUILDING BUILT IN THE SIXTIES AND WE FIXED IT. SO IF THERE'S ANY COMPLAINTS IN THE FUTURE, THEY COME AND SEE YOU. RIGHT. THEY DO . SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HARD PART. LIKE THEY'LL, THEY MIGHT BE MAD AT HIM, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAD AT ME, AND SO I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. AND SO DOES DUKE, WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW HIM , SO VERY GOOD QUESTION ABOUT CAPACITY. YEAH. AGAIN, IT SAYS 50 TO 55 DOGS. YEAH. AND YET, UH, SUITES. SUITES, YEAH. ARE THERE MULTIPLE DOGS PER SUITE? THERE CAN BE. YEAH. SO I, IN MY, UM, IN SOME OF THE RESPONSES I SENT TO ALLISON, WHICH I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE PASSED ALONG WITH YOU ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 55 SUITES ON AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 1.2 DOGS PER SUITE. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT CAPACITY TO TOP OUT IN THE HIGH SIXTIES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S 55 SUITES THERE. THAT WAS, IS THAT JUST A, THAT WAS SUPER ILLUSTRATIVE REALLY TO HIGHLIGHT THE STC RATINGS, SO THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL PLAN. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'VE KIND OF WAITED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THIS PANEL OR FROM THE AUDIENCE? IS THERE ANY, UM, RETAIL COMPONENT TO THIS? WE, UH, YOU KNOW, BRANDED MERCH, THAT'S IT. LIKE YARD YARDSTICK HATS, T-SHIRTS MUCH. IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE PEOPLE THAT WITH OTHER DOGS WOULD COME TO BUY PET FOOD OR ANYTHING. OKAY. NO. YEAH. AND AGAIN, NO, NO BA LIKE THE BATHING SERVICES, WE OFTEN OFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, BATHS, NAIL TRIMS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE JUST ADD-ON SERVICES FOR BOARDING AND DAYCARE CUSTOMERS. YEAH. WHERE, WHERE DOES YARDSTICK THE NAME PLAY INTO THIS? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YARDSTICK AND DOGS. HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THAT? I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A FREE ADVERTISEMENT HERE. WE, WE, UH, LOOK, I WISH I WAS, I COULD SAY I CAME UP WITH A NAME. WE HAD A, WE HAD A, A BRANDING AGENCY WHO'S, WHO'S MUCH MORE CREATIVE THAN I, BUT DOGS LOVE YARDS. DOGS LOVE STICKS. IT'S A VALUE OF MEASURE, IT'S A BENCHMARK. SO, YEAH. AND WE ARE A, IN NASHVILLE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOUNDED COMPANY. SO WE'VE GOT THREE SUCCESSFUL LOCATIONS IN, IN NASHVILLE METRO, UM, COMPANY OWNED, NOT A FRANCHISE. ARE THEY BASICALLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THIS? MM-HMM . YEP. ALWAYS 6,000 TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. YEAH. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF EXCREMENT? EVERYTHING IS INSIDE. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. HOW DOES THE FACILITY MANAGE THAT? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. UM, SO WE, UH, IN TERMS OF EXCREMENTS, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS AT PLAY HERE. SO WE'VE GOT, UM, THE YARDS, WHICH IS THE, THE RELIEF AREA, RIGHT? UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, EXCREMENT RIGHT? IS, IS PICKED UP THE SAME WAY YOU OR I WOULD, YOU KNOW, PICK UP OUR DOGS WASTE, UH, DISPOSED OF IN, IN, UH, GARBAGE CAN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE'LL JUST HAVE A STANDARD, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. UM, WE'LL DO OUR, WE DO OUR, UH, FREQUENCY TWICE PER WEEK, JUST GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT OUR WASTE IS. UM, SO THAT'S THAT PIECE. AND THEN THE YARDS THEMSELVES, UM, THEY, THEY, UM, THERE'S A TRENCH DRAIN BENEATH THEM. AND SO PART OF OUR CLEANING STANDARDS IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOSES, RIGHT? AND SO YOU, UH, HOSE ALL OF THAT EXCREMENT ALONG WITH A CLEANING SOLUTION THAT HAS DEODORIZING CAPABILITIES, UM, AND THAT FLUSHES THROUGH THE TRENCH DRAIN TIES INTO THE SANITARY SEWER LINE. AND THEN I KNOW PER ONE OF YOUR, YOUR ALL'S COMMENTS, UM, WE'LL NEED A SAND SILT. UH, I'M, YEAH, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT REQUIREMENT AT, AT PRIOR LOCATIONS, BUT WE'VE RUN IT BY OUR GC AND WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. AND SO THE DUMPSTERS OR THE TRASH BINS, ARE THEY BEHIND KEPT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE? UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WASTE MANAGEMENT LARGE, UH, DUMPSTERS. THEY, THEY'RE OUTSIDE AND THEY'RE BEHIND THE PROPERTY. [00:35:02] AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS COMPLAINTS OF LOADER OR ANYTHING? NEVER. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU CYCLE IT OUT TWO TIMES A WEEK, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO RIPEN IN THOSE BIG METAL? YEAH. CAN'T, WELL, LOOK, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY TOO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT OUR, OUR, UH, OUR LOCATION, UH, IN WEST NASHVILLE IS A COURTESY TO THE INDIAN RESTAURANT THAT WE SHARE A WALL WITH. WE SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE'LL PICK UP THE, UH, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT BILL SORT OF IN GOING INTO THE FUTURE. SO WE'VE GOT AN EIGHT YARD DUMPSTER, AND, AND THAT'S PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK, WEEK. SO, YOU KNOW, YARDSTICK AND BEST OF INDIA. UM, BUT, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE, TWICE A WEEK. YEAH. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE AT, AT WEST NASHVILLE EITHER. YEAH. AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF YOU GUYS ONLY WANNA APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC SITE AND NOT GRANDFATHERED IN FOR OTHER C TWOS, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. , THAT WORKS. I FIGURED I'D OFFER THAT OUT. YEAH, YOU WISH. APPRECIATE THE WHEELING DEAL, . GREAT. NO OTHER COMMENTS. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER KAPLAN, SECOND AND A SECOND FROM CHAIRMAN DONAHUE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, BEAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. NAYS. HOW ABOUT ABSTENTIONS? MY COUNT IT PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING CARE OF YOUR DOGS . DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT MIGHT GET ONE NOW. ALL RIGHT. THAT COMPLETES THE REGULAR AGENDA JUST IN TIME FOR US [1. Monthly Security Report -- May 2025] TO MOVE ON TO OUR FAVORITE PART OF THE MEETING. THE MONTHLY SECURITY REPORT. MOST EXCITING PART. YES. UH, AND, AND SO THE SECURITY REPORT FOR MAY IS, IS, IS UNCHANGED FROM APRIL. SO THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY HOLDING THAT WE HELD IN APRIL, WHICH IS $16,901,571 AND 73 CENTS. AND WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THAT AS PUBLISHED IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS REPORT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KAPLAN. SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ABSTENTIONS. I'M SORRY. NONE. ALRIGHT. IT PASSES. WE DO HAVE [2. Board and Commission Reports] BOARD AND COMMISSION REPORTS WHO'S GOT SOMETHING ENLIGHTENING TO SAY, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR THOSE LINKS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL THANK YOU. WELCOME. APPRECIATE THAT. I, I SENT TO THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, THE LINKS FROM THE VANDERBILT LAW SCHOOL, SECOND ANNUAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE. AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THEIR DISCUSSIONS. THEY'RE OUT THERE ON YOUTUBE, UM, THEY'RE ON TOPICS OF WATERLAND ENERGY, UM, SOMETHING ELSE. ANYWAY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO LOOK AT 'EM FROM THE TREE BOARD. WE, UH, WENT AROUND THE LIBRARY ARBORETUM AND DID OUR, UM, KIND OF JUST OUR ANALYSIS. ANALYSIS OF IT. YES. MADE SURE OUR TREES ARE HAPPY AND HEALTHY AND LABELED RIGHT AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM. UM, WE'VE ADDED TO THAT ARBORETUM AS WELL. WE'VE ADDED FIVE MORE MAPLES. UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD EVEN MORE. AND THEN WE'RE BEGINNING OUR DISCUSSION ALREADY ABOUT ARIDE FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S GREAT. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO SOME, UM, PRESENTATIONS ABOUT TREES TO JUST ENLIGHTEN THE COMMUNITY IF THEY WANNA LEARN MORE. AND THEN REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT BOARD, WE WENT OUT TO SMITH PARK AND SPREAD SOME MORE FLOWERS. UM, AND HOPEFUL OUR MILKWEED WILL BE COMING UP, BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY, THAT'S A BIG HOPE. WE, WE PLANTED MILKWEED EARLIER IN THE YEAR. UM, SO ANYWAY, WE'RE HOPING TO ATTRACT MONARCH BUTTERFLIES AND MAKE THIS A NICE POLLINATOR GARDEN IN SMITH PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER REPORTS? THE HISTORIC COMMISSION. WE JUST HAD A 200 ANNIVERSARY, YEAR ANNIVERSARY AT RAVENWOOD MANSION. IF ANYBODY GOT TO GO SEE THAT OR PARTICIPATE IN THE PARADE, THAT WAS FUN FOR EVERYONE. UM, GOT A LOT OF HISTORY LESSONS THERE FROM, FROM THAT HOUSE AND, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT GREW UP THERE. SO, UM, WE GOT THAT. AND THEN WE GOT ON JUNE 28TH, WE'VE GOT THE DEDICATION OF THE NEW PAVILION AT CROCKETT PARK. THAT WAS THE OLD, UH, CABIN. [00:40:01] THAT WAS BRENT VILLE CABIN THERE, I BELIEVE. BRENT. YEAH. AND UH, SO THEY USED THE OLD LUMBER FROM THE CABIN TO, UH, DO THAT AND IT TURNED OUT VERY NICELY. SO WE'LL BE DEDICATING THAT AT THE END OF JUNE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER REPORTS? COMMISSIONER TRAVIS? NOTHING GOING ON AT THE CITY. ? UM, ACTUALLY THIS THURSDAY IS THE INFO MEETING WITH THE CITY. PROBABLY TWO THINGS THAT'LL, UH, GENERATE SOME INTEREST. NUMBER ONE, WE'LL BE REVIEWING THE MOST RECENT RACKET CENTER REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY A PRIVATE COMPANY, A PROFORMA TO SEE, UH, WHAT THE FINANCIALS LOOK LIKE ON THAT. AND NUMBER TWO, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING HOW TO FILL THE VACATED, UH, SEAT OF COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE THERE? BEING NO FURTHER NEW BUSINESS OR REPORTS? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. NICE TEAMWORK. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.