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LEADING THIS[ Brentwood Planning Commission Briefing May 29, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Planning Commission to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
MEETING THIS MORNING.UM, BEFORE WE START, I WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO JANET FOR HER APPOINTMENT TO CITY COMMISSION.
WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU ON PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE'RE HAPPY YOU'RE STILL STAYING.
UM, AND THEN I WANNA WELCOME BETSY CROSSLEY BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UM, AND THEN I THINK IN JULY WE'LL HAVE A NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER CORRECT.
SO JANET WILL BE STAYING FOR OUR JUNE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
IT'S UP TO HER IF SHE WANTS TO SHOW UP ON MONDAY.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, OUR FIRST, UM, ITEM ON CONSENT IS A USE DETERMINATION AND A MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION FOR YARDSTICK DOG HOTEL.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE TAKING A TENANT SPACE WITHIN THE BRENTWOOD PLACE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, AND A DOG BOARDING AND DAYCARE FACILITY THAT ALSO INCLUDES SOME LIGHT BATHING SERVICES JUST FOR THE BOARDING AND DAYCARE, UM, GUESTS.
SO THEY'RE OPEN, UM, PUBLIC FACING 6:30 AM TO 6:30 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND THEN 9:00 AM TO SIX 30 SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
UM, THEY ARE A 24 7 365, UM, USE.
UM, THE PROPOSED USE IS SPECIFICALLY NOT LISTED WITHIN SECTION 78 2 22.
UM, HOWEVER, THE SECTION DOES ALLOW FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE USES, IF YOU GUYS FEEL THAT IT'S IN KEEPING IN CHARACTER WITH THE INTENT OF C TWO, UM, IN THE OLD MUD LOW AND PRIME.
IT'S IN THE OLD LUDLOW AND PRIME.
UH, IT'S IN THE WHAT? NO, I BELIEVE IT'S THE ORANGE.
THE OLD IT'S NEXT TO IT NEEDS TO BE THE EXPRESS TAN.
IT'S NEAR LOLO AND PRIME, THAT CORNER.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIALLY A BUTCHER SHOP GOING IN WHERE LOLO AND PINE USED TO BE.
UM, WHERE WAS IT? BUT IT'S IN THAT AREA.
WHERE WOULD PETS BE TAKEN TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES? IS THERE SPACE OUT BACK, IS IT INDOOR? COMPLETELY INDOOR ENCLOSED.
UM, ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE, THE BOTTOM CORNER RIGHT HERE, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEIR LIKE INDOOR RELIEF, UM, YARD LOOKS LIKE.
IS YARD STICK A, UM, NATIONWIDE COMPANY? LIKE IS IT A FRANCHISE KIND OF THING THAT'S, OR IS IT? DUNNO IF IT'S FRANCHISE, BUT I DO KNOW THEY HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS.
YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
WE'VE GOT, THERE'S A COUPLE, UM, IN, THERE'S SOME THIS AREA AND SOME IN DALLAS.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE, SO HE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE, WE HAVE THREE IN NASHVILLE.
THERE'S ONE NEXT, UH, ONE IS IN LINE, THE TOP ONE THERE NEXT TO INDIAN RESTAURANT AND A STRIP CENTER.
THEN THE ONE, UH, ON THE RIGHT IS IN A STRIP CENTER IN DALLAS.
BUT WE HAVE, WE'RE DOING MORE OF THESE IN CITIES LIKE THIS EXCEPTION LIKE THIS, THE YARD IS ENCLOSED AND, UH, THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S A WHOLE TURF SYSTEM THAT'S BUILT.
YOU CAN SEE THE, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THE WINDOWS THERE IN THE BACK.
SO THAT'S THE OUTDOOR YARD WHERE THE FENCES ARE.
IS NOISE AN ISSUE FOR THE ADJOINING FENCE? THESE ARE BUILT FOR SMALLER.
THEY'RE LIKE, MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS HAVE NEVER BOARDED THEIR DOGS.
SO IT'S KIND OF BUILT FOR A SMALLER QUIET, UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF ANY KENNEL OR BOARDING FACILITY OUT THERE, BUT WHAT'S THE, AND EVEN THE DOGS THAT ARE IN THE YARD, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ROTATED OUT THERE AT A TIME.
SO HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? HOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE AND THE, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? WE HAVE 50 SUITES AVERAGE.
SO IT'S USUALLY LIKE 50 OR 60 DOGS MAX THERE.
YOU'VE GOT MORE MORMAN ON ONE SIDE DOING FACIALS AND MASSAGES, WHICH IS A QUIET, QUIET ENVIRONMENT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A DENTAL FACILITY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE IS THE, THE NOISE ISSUE.
SO I WANNA MOVE THIS TO REGULAR.
I, I SENT, I DUNNO IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.
MOVE THAT TO THE REGULAR, HAVE THE NEIGHBORS BEEN CONTACTED? YES.
THE SHOPPING CENTER APPROVES THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOUNDPROOFING ON EACH SIDE OF OUR SPACE.
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SO IT'S, AND, AND, AND EVEN THE SUITES ARE BUILT IN SOUND.THEY'RE IN, UH, SEPARATE ROOMS. LIKE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE ROOMS THAT'LL HAVE LIKE SIX OR EIGHT SUITES IN THEM.
IT'S ALL, THE WHOLE THING IS BUILT AS A QUIET, UH, UH, AND A QUIET FACILITY FOR THE INDUSTRY.
I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE IN THE, HOW ABOUT DROPPING THE DOGS OFF? IS THAT GONNA BE A TRACK? THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH.
UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE LIKE, NOT ONE OF THOSE THAT DOES 50 OR 60 DAYCARE DOGS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LIGHT IN AND OUT.
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK? I MEAN, WE, WE MAY HAVE LIKE 15 DOG DOGS A DAY FOR DAYCARE AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE BOARDING, BUT THE DROP OFF IS USUALLY IN THE MORNING AND THEN LATE IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO THE SHOPPING CENTER IN DALLAS IS REALLY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE AND IT'S FINE.
THE ONE UP THERE ON THE RIGHT ON CHARLOTTE PIKE IS, UH, SHARES A PARKING LOT WITH A RESTAURANT AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S, OURS IS JUST SUCH A LIGHT TRAFFIC COMPARED TO THAT.
AND ON THE, IN, IN THE BRENTWOOD SHOPPING CENTER, ONE WHOLE WALL THAT WE SHARE WITH ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES, A IS A FIRE EXIT.
SO THERE'S LIKE A SIX FOOT PATH BETWEEN US, OUR SOUNDPROOF WALL, AND THEN OUR SOUND CONTROL WALL AND THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THE WAY THAT SITS IN THE PIE BACK THERE, UH, IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SHARED WITH ANY COMMON WALLS.
MOST OF THAT SPACE GOES BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, ALLEY BEHIND IT.
AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER.
HAD TO GET EVERYONE IN THE, IN THE CENTER'S APPROVAL BEFORE.
SO EVERYBODY, EVERY TENANT IN THERE KNOWS ABOUT IT ALREADY HAS APPROVED IT BEHIND IT'S VANDERBILT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WHAT'S THAT? BEHIND IT'S VANDERBILT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS, UM, RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE NEAR, YEAH, THEY'RE COMPLETELY IN A FULLY COMMERCIAL AREA.
THIS IS THE, THERE'S A, UH, THIS IS THE REAR AND THEN THERE'S A BIG EMBANKMENT AND HUGE TREES BETWEEN US.
AND THEN THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THERE TOO.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, LIKE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT IS HILL CENTER AND THEN BACK BEHIND SELF HILL CENTER.
YOU GET YOUR RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE NEAR, IS THERE ANY OPTION FOR DROP OFF AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? NO, IT'S AN ALLEY.
BUT OUR, OUR DROP OFF IS, IS, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE JUST DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF BUSY TRAFFIC.
I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MAINLY IN THE MORNINGS AND THE AFTERNOONS.
OUR BOARDING IS HEAVIER ON WEEKENDS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT THE DAY FOR DROP OFF AND CHECKOUT.
YEAH, WE DO OVERNIGHT AND DAY.
YEAH, IT'S, WE'RE STAFFED 24 HOURS.
AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED IT'S TYPICALLY SMALLER DOGS.
IS IT, DO YOU HAVE SIZE REQUIREMENT? LIKE SIZE? NO, NO.
I MEAN, IT'S SMALLER AS FAR AS QUANTITY OF DOGS.
SO ON MONDAY NIGHT, CAN YOU, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE YOU TO THE REGULAR AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU WANNA PUT A, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO STAND UP AFTER IT'S READ BY, UM, ALISON OR TODD, AND THEN JUST GIVE US A, A LITTLE PRESENTATION.
MAYBE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE DECLINED AND NOISE AND VOLUME AT THE DOOR HAVE BEEN THE BIG ISSUES.
SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT SO THAT EVERYONE HEARS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
WE LOOKED AT OTHER SITES HERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS FROM BRENTWOOD AND FRANKLIN RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM DONE HERE SO WE CAN GET MORE OF OUR NASHVILLE CUSTOMERS IN.
IT'S MORE CONVENIENT FOR THEM ANYWAY.
LOTS OF MEMBER REQUESTS AT YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY? UH, IT'S, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE WERE LIGHTER ON DAYCARE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST FOR THE DAY.
BUT FOR BOARDING IT'S, THE AVERAGE IS PROBABLY FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS.
WE HAVE SOME LONGER, SOME SHORTER, YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT ONE? MOVING ON.
UM, OUR NEXT ONE IS A REVISED HILLSIDE SITE PLAN FOR 1118 LONG STREET CIRCLE.
UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
OBVIOUSLY OUR NEW MEMBERS HAVE NOT, UM, SORRY, THEY'RE, SORRY.
THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION, UM, FOR IN THE LOBBY.
UM, SO THIS, UH, THIS ITEM WAS LAST APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 2ND IN 2021.
UM, THIS APPROVAL HAS SINCE EXPIRED AS OUR MUST IS VALID FOR UM, THREE YEARS.
THE PROPOSAL'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, BUT THERE ARE SOME MINOR
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ENGINEERING CHANGES THAT WERE BASED ON PREVIOUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THEN, UM, THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THEIR GRADING PERMIT.UM, ALSO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR R TWO AND HP HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE REVISED FINAL SITE PLAN SHOWING IN ADDITION OF A HAMMERHEAD WITH A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT MUST BE RECORDED BEFORE ANY PERMITS WILL BE ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT.
A FIRE HYDRANT AND WATER METERS SHALL BE LOCATED IN AN AREA WITH MINIMAL SLOPE AND ACCESS, NOT IMPEDED BY THE GUARDRAIL.
AND THE GRINDER SERVICE CONNECTION BOX SHALL BE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE PAVEMENT AND DRIVE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS UP ON THE HILL AT THE END OF LONG STREET CIRCLE.
UM, THERE IS THEIR SITE PLAN AND THEN THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
WHEN DO THEY PLAN TO BE THROUGH WITH THIS? 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN FOREVER.
THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A VERY LONG TIME AND I THINK I'M GONNA LOOK OVER ENGINEERING OVER HERE.
I HAVE NO CLUE OF, AS YOU RECALL, PROBABLY THIS
YEAH, THAT'S WHEN I WAS, AND UH, THEY CAME BACK BECAUSE OF, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THEY GOT A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE FOR THE HOME AT THAT POINT THAT WAS BIT OVER BUDGET AND THEY STARTED OVER.
THEY'VE HAD A ONE OR TWO SUBSEQUENT APPROVALS, BUT IT'S LAPSED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE REVIEWED THIS SITE, UM, EXTENSIVELY AND EXHAUSTIVELY AND, UM, WE, I HOPE THEY BUILD IT.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, UH, A VERY INTENSE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION YEAH.
PROCESS TO GET THIS BUILT WHERE IT IS.
BUT ENGINEERING WISE, IT'S NOT GONNA FALL OFF THE SIDE OF THE MA'AM, IT'S NOT GONNA FALL OFF THE SIDE OF THE HILL.
YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DESIGNED IT AND AS FAR AS WE CAN REVIEW IT AS FAR AS WE'VE REVIEWED IT CAN TELL YEAH, IT SHOULD BE STABLE.
STILL A POOL THERE? YEAH, THERE'S A POOL ON THE LOWER LEVEL DOWN HERE, BUT I THINK IN OUR PREVIOUS APPROVAL WE'VE REQUIRED THAT LIKE A THIRD PARTY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REVIEW PLANS.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER ON SITE AS WELL BECAUSE OF, UH, REPORTS SHOWING THAT COLLOQUIAL SOILS DO EXIST ON THE LOT.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL FIRE SPRINKLERS REQUIRED? YES.
IS THAT FOR ALL NEW HOMES OR IS IT JUST THE HILLSIDE? IT IS FOR, UM, NEW HILLSIDE HOMES.
AND THEN IF THERE'S LIKE A RESIDENTIAL ADDITION THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE LIVING OR SLEEPING QUARTERS.
UM, WE'LL OUR MARSHALL TYPICALLY REQUIRES THOSE TO BE SPRINKLERED AS WELL.
UM, THE REASON THAT THEY'RE FOR HP IS BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY UP ON HILLS AND UM, THAT FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM WILL PROBABLY HELP WITH THE FIRE UP BEFORE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN GET UP THE HILL, GET A HOUSING THING.
DO YOU RECALL IF NEIGHBORS SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS PRIOR ITERATIONS? UM, I, YES.
YEAH, I THINK THE ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT OTHER NEIGHBORS, BUT I MEAN, LONG STREET IS SUCH LIKE A TRICKY, UM, YOU KNOW, SITUATION.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS FOR THAT HAMMERHEAD, LIKE A, A HAMMERHEAD TO BE PUT IN TO HELP FOR I THINK TURNING MOVEMENTS.
BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE GET UP THERE, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND AND END UP GOING UP AND BACKING STRAIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S THE HIGHEST SLOPE OF ANY STREET IN THE CITY.
HE DOES MAKES THE FIRST TO BE SALTED.
YOU SHOULD GO UP THERE IF YOU HAVE IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T THEY LOT? THEY WERE GONNA BUILD TWO HOUSES ON THE THREE LOTS ON THE THREE LOTS ON LOTS.
I THINK HE OWNS THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.
BUT I DON'T, I, THIS ONE'S ONLY FOR, UM, 1118.
AND AS FAR AS THE REST OF US KNOW THAT THERE'S NO OTHER PROPOSAL FOR, UM, ANYTHING ON THOSE OTHER LOTS.
THE GENTLEMAN LIVED ACROSS THE STREET HAS PASSED AWAY.
HE WAS, HE WAS VOCAL WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DOING IT LAST TIME IN THE TIME BEFORE
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PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS LOT? WHAT? ARE YOU STILL GETTING PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS LOT? ME TOO.AND I'M LIKE, I GOT ONE THIS WEEK.
SERIOUSLY ON THAT, DO YOU HAVE, SHOULD WE BE MOVING THIS TO REGULAR AGENDA? NO, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'VE APPROVED IT SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S YEAH, NOTHING'S REALLY WE'LL NEED A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.
THE LADY THIS WEEK JUST, SHE SAID, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAN BUILD IT.
I SAID, DEREK GUARANTEES THIS
I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST QUESTION THOUGH A LOT OF US HAVE GOTTEN IS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ACTUAL FEASIBLE.
BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH REPORTS AND ENOUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PREVIOUS, UM, YEAH.
APPROVALS THAT ALL THE, ALL THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF THIS SITE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.
HAVE BEEN DESIGNED BY OUTSIDE PARTIES HIRED BY THE, THE APPLICANT AND REVIEWED BY OUTSIDE
SO YEAH, WE PUT EVERYTHING WE COULD INTO THIS TO, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S BEING DONE PROPERLY.
AND ALSO ALSO WE'RE REQUIRING A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN MOST OTHER HOUSES WHERE WE GO THROUGH ALL A BUNCH OF CONDITIONS.
THAT ARE, I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN THEM OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IF YOU WANT 'EM, I CAN SEND IT TO Y'ALL.
THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THERE SUCH AS THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD HAS TO BE ASSESSED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T DESTROY THE PUBLIC ROADWAY TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN.
SITE STABILIZATION, CONSTRUCTION SITE SAFETY.
CONSTRUCTION STAGING, MATERIAL STAGING.
THERE'S POWER, SEWER AND WATER.
ANYBODY, ANY BARRIERS ON THE ROAD AS YOU'RE GOING AROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEING ADDED? THE, THE, THE BARRIERS THAT WE CAN ADD AS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS SITE ARE BEING ADDED WITH THIS SITE.
WE ARE, WE ARE ADDING GUARDRAILS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
I THINK THAT WAS A PREVIOUS, YEAH, IT, IT WAS A PREVIOUS CONDITION OF APPROVAL WE JUST PUT ON HERE THAT ALL PREVIOUS CONDITIONS PLACED ON THE PROJECT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE STILL IN PLACE.
SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN ATTACHED.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.
UH, YEAH, YOU WANNA DO IT? I CAN DO IT.
UM, SO WE HAVE A MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION FOR A NEW PUBLIC STORAGE, UM, FACILITY.
THE BRAND IS CALLED PUBLIC STORAGE.
THEY'RE TAKING OVER AN EXISTING STORAGE FACILITY.
ALL THEY'RE DOING IS JUST REBRANDING IT AND PAINTING THE TRIM FROM GREEN TO ORANGE.
UM, ALL THEIR SIGNS ARE REPLACING THE EXISTING SIGNS IN THE SAME PLACE, SAME SIZE.
SO THEY DO MEET SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONING CODE.
AND THE ONLY REASON THIS IS COMING TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PAINTING THE, THE TRIM THAT'S THE PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT.
OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE A PARKING STUDY FOR BRENTWOOD WELLNESS RECOVERY AND DETOX.
UM, THIS FACILITY UM, NEEDS A PARKING STUDY FOR A NEW DRUG AND ALCOHOL TREATMENT CENTER PROPOSED AT 1668 MALLORY LANE.
THE REASON FOR THE PARKING STUDY IS ACCORDING TO SECTION 78 DASH 4 54 OF THE ZONING CODE, WHEN USES ARE UNIQUE AND NOT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, OUTLINED IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, A PARKING STUDY MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL FOR A NEW FACILITY SUCH AS THIS.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING 29 TOTAL SPACES.
UM, THE PARKING STUDY REQUIRED 28 AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 29 WITH TWO OF WHICH BEING HANDICAP STALLS.
UM, THIS FACILITY IS NOT, I THINK THEY WILL HAVE OVERNIGHT, UM, STAY, I BELIEVE.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT IT WAS JUST THE PARKING STUDY THAT WAS NEEDING APPROVAL FOR FROM YOU GUYS.
SO ON THEIR PLAN, I MEAN THEY SHOW THE EXISTING AND THERE'S 27 SPOTS THAT THEY SHOWED YOU WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE OTHER TWO.
THE OTHER TWO ARE THE HANDICAP STALLS.
SO THERE'S 27 REGULAR AND THEN OH, SO THE THREE IS THERE'S THREE THERE PLUS, YEAH, THE TWO PLUS THE TWO, YEAH.
IT'S CONSIDERED A CONVALESCENT HOME.
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UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, PLANNING COMMISSION DID A PARKING STUDY FOR ARBOR WELLNESS, WHICH USED TO BE, UM, SUTHERLAND PLACE, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.SO THEY HAVE BASED, UM, THEY BASED ARBOR WELLNESS AND THEY'RE BASING THIS ONE AS WELL ON, UM, A NURSING HOME KIND OF PARKING USE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE ONE IN OUR, UM, PARKING TABLE.
SO, UM, THIS APPLICANT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH ARBOR WELLNESS, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, MIRRORED A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED ALSO BY OUR, UM, PARKING CONSULTANT CONSULTANT AND THEY AGREE WITH THE PARKING STUDY THAT THEY HAD DONE.
WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE THIS ON CONSENT OR REGULAR CONSENT? FINE THERAPY.
IT'S GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT? FROM THEIR DESCRIPTION IN THEIR LETTER.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A DRUG AND ALCOHOL TREATMENT CENTER PROVIDING 24 HOUR CARE FOR PATIENTS.
AND WE DID, UM, INCLUDE A WRITEUP AS ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS IN THE IN AGENDA CLICK PROVIDED FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO IT'S STILL A BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR, UM, BUSINESS AND MISSION.
NEXT ITEM IS A MIN IS ANOTHER MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION FOR BRENTWOOD AUTO WASH.
UM, LOCATED AT 4 22 WILSON PIKE.
UH, COURT DESIGN REQUESTS APPROVAL TO REPAINT THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, AND ADD A NEW MONUMENT SIGN TO THE ENTRANCE.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, A NEW SHADE OF WHITES AND, UH, TWO DIFFERENT SHADES OF GREEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
THE BELOW PICTURE IS THE CURRENT IMAGERY.
IN THE PICTURE ABOVE IS THE NEW COLOR THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO GO WITH.
SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR, JUST KIND OF A, A REBRAND AND REPAINT FRESH TO FRESHEN UP THE BUILDING.
IS THIS NEW OWNERSHIP? NO, SAME OWNERSHIP.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL BRANDING OF CARL'S WONDER WASH.
I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE SAYS THE NEW SIGN.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE NEW SIGN.
IS THAT HERE? THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN A REALLY LONG TIME AGO.
IS THAT WHAT THE ONE THAT WAS NOT IN BRENTWOOD WAS CALLED WHEN? OH.
'CAUSE BRENTWOOD ALIGNED LINED UP WITH THE ONE ON WHITE BRIDGE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT WAS, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IMPORTANT.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT IT IS NOT NEW OWNERSHIP.
IT IS STILL THE SAME, SAME OWNERS.
AND THEY DO ALSO OWN THE ONE ON, UM, WHITEBRIDGE I, ME CHANGING THE MATERIAL OF THE FACADE OR JUST PAINTING IT? JUST PAINTING.
THEY'RE JUST PAINTING BECAUSE ON THAT PICTURE IT JUST LOOKS SMOOTH.
BUT I GUESS THAT'S JUST, YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE, JUST PAINTING.
YEAH, THEY'RE KEEPING THE EXISTING, UM, MATERIAL.
MATERIAL AND JUST FRESHENING IT UP 'CAUSE IT'S OLD.
WE HAVE A RE REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR 64 52, UH, T ROSE TERRACE.
UM, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS, SO THIS PROJECT GOT APPROVED BACK IN 23.
UM, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE.
ALL THEY'RE DOING IS REVISING AND UPDATING THE ELEVATIONS, UM, AND COLOR OF THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THE LAYOUT THAT YOU SEE HERE IS NOT CHANGING AT ALL.
UM, ALLISON AND I WERE DISCUSSING THIS YESTERDAY.
UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE POOL LOCATION AND I CAN LET ALLISON OR ENGINEERING SPEAK MORE INTO THAT ONE SINCE I WAS NOT HERE.
BUT IF I AM CORRECT, WE ALLOWED THE POOL, IT WAS APPROVED, THE POOL COULD BE THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SO FAR BACK FROM PUBLIC VIEW THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A, AN ISSUE.
AND THERE ALSO ISN'T ANY, UM, THERE'S NO ROAD, LIKE ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY LIKE ESTABLISHED SETBACKS AND THEY'RE USING THE, THERE USED TO BE AN EXISTING HOUSE UP THERE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY TORE DOWN.
AND SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING BACK IN THAT SAME FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THAT HOUSE USED TO BE.
UM, BUT HERE'S, SO THAT WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ELEVATION.
SO THE NORTH, THE TOP PICTURE I BELIEVE IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SORRY, I PUT THEM IN BACKWARDS.
YEAH, THAT IS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ELEVATIONS, WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2023.
THIS IS THE NEW ELEVATIONS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
AND THAT'S JUST A 3D RENDERING.
SO THEY'RE GONE WITH MORE NOW.
WHERE'S THE POOL? UM, SO TECHNICALLY,
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SO HERE, WHAT'S HERE? UH, YOU LOOK THE LEFT OVER HERE AND, UH, I THINK OVER HERE.SO LIKE THE ENTRANCE IS DOWN HERE.
IT'S A ACCESS EASEMENT OR NOT EASEMENT, BUT ACCESS OFF OF, UM, DOWN HERE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OR? SO AGAIN, THIS ONE IS JUST A, UM, ELEVATION CHANGE AND NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED SINCE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.
SO ALL PREVIOUS LIKE, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL REMAIN.
NEXT ITEM IS ANOTHER REVISED HILLSIDE PROTECTION SITE PLAN FOR, UM, 1731 ANDREW CROCKETT COURT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ADDING AN ADDITION TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT PORCH AS WELL AS SLASH WIDENING IT WIDENING IT.
AND THEY'RE ALSO REPAINTING THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
SO THE ADDITION, WHAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE, THE FRONT, THAT DARK SHADED AREA RIGHT THERE, IT IS NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE SETBACK LINE.
SO THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA AND THEY'RE GOING FROM A, THAT'S THEIR NEW PROPOSED COLOR SCHEME THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO GO FROM, UH, UM, VERSUS THE DARKER COLORS ON.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT IS THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THEY'RE PAINTING IT WHITE AND THEN JUST KIND OF ADDING ONTO THE FRONT PORCH YOU SEE RIGHT THERE.
SO THEY'RE NOT ENCROACHING IN ANY SETBACKS OR ANYTHING.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ENGINEERING HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE PAINTING.
THAT HOUSE DOESN'T FALL UNDER OUR JURISDICTION ANYWAY.
RIGHT? THAT'S ALL HOA STUFF? UH, YEAH.
I THINK NO, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S, WELL, HILLSIDE DOESN'T, WELL IT'S HP.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS FOR HILLSIDE PROTECTION, BUT THIS, THE, THESE HP LOTS ARE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN LIKE OUR TYPICAL HP 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIKE STRAIGHT UP ON THE HILL WITH OUR, OUR REGULAR HILLSIDE PROTECTION LOTS THAT ARE UP ON THE HILLSIDE.
WE DON'T, UM, ALLOW FOR THOSE TO BE PAINTED LIKE BRIGHT WHITE OR IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO DO NEON COLORS.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT LIKE THE VIEW SHED OF, UH, THE HILLSIDES.
BUT THESE, UM, OUR HP BECAUSE OF, I THINK OF SLOPE AND THEN THERE ARE SOME, UM, ELEVATION OF EIGHT 50 ON LIKE THE BACKS OF THE LOTS.
BUT THEY'RE NOT A TRUE TYPICAL HP LOT.
THERE'S YEAH, A LITTLE CLOSER UP THE ALL.
WHAT IN THE WORLD? SORRY, HOLD ON.
UM, SO THE NEXT ONE IS A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE ARCADIA SUBDIVISION.
UM, THIS ONE IS PRETTY MUCH JUST REVISING A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR OPEN SPACE AREA BY ADDING A, UH, FOUR FOOT TALL BLACK, UM, HORSE FENCE TO THE ENTRANCE TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE OF LIKE AN ENTRANCE FEATURE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING ELSE IS CHANGING.
UM, AGAIN, SINCE IT IS A CHA A CHANGE IN THEIR OPEN SPACE, SINCE THEY ARE ADDING TO THEIR OPEN SPACE, UM, IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN AND SINCE IT IS OSRD, IT WILL HAVE TO BE, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS FALLS UNDER THE HOA? CORRECT? YEP.
THE HOA WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN ALL, UM, AMENITIES WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE ONCE IT DOES GET ESTABLISHED AND TURNED OVER.
DOES THOSE THINGS NEED MAINTENANCE? FOR SURE.
ESPECIALLY, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING A DARKER COLOR TOO BLACK.
ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS? OH, AND WE ALSO DO HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS ONE STATING THAT, UM, SINCE THE FENCE WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN A-P-U-D-E, UM, THAT IT DOESN'T RELIEVE THE CURRENT OR FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE RESPONSIBILITY AND COST OF HAVING TO REMOVE OR REPLACE THE
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FENCE IN THE FUTURE IF THE CITY HAS TO DO ANY WORK WITHIN THAT PUD.WE HAVE A REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR ALAN'S GREEN SUBDIVISION ON ALONG SPLIT LOG ROAD.
UM, WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE, UM, IS ADDING A 20 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY THAT SERVES THE ADJOINING PARCEL.
THERE IS AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT AND A 20 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WILL REMAIN.
UM, RIGHT HERE IS THE, UH, NEW ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S BEING ADDED IN, AND THE OTHER EASEMENTS RIGHT UP HERE WILL REMAIN, UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS EASEMENT I CAN DEFER TO ENGINEERING.
UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.
BUT THEY'RE JUST ADDING THAT 20 FOOT EASEMENT TO THE FRONT TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY.
THERE ALWAYS WAS A ACCESS EASEMENT.
IT JUST GOT MOVED AND THEN THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GONNA PUT IN A PAVED DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A DOMINO EFFECT.
WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, IS THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPER PUT THIS CONCRETE DRIVE IN, WHICH WASN'T ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, WHICH HAD TO GO BACK THERE AND GET APPROVED.
SO NOW THEN THE NEXT STEP IS PLATTING THIS ACCESS EASEMENT.
BUT THESE TWO WILL REMAIN THIS, THIS ACCESS EASEMENT ACTUALLY SERVES THAT OPEN SPACE IN THE REAR.
SO THIS BASICALLY JUST PROVIDES THAT TO THAT PARCEL, THAT ACCESS EASEMENT TO THAT PARCEL.
IS THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT PAVED OR ROCK OR NO, IT'S JUST SYSTEM EASEMENT.
IT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE GRASS, GRASS AREA THAT SERVICE BACK TO THAT OPEN SPACE IN THE REAR.
THE, THE ONE THAT SAYS THE EXISTING, IS THAT AN EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVE? NO.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S BEEN KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT THAT THEY PUT THE CONCRETE DRIVE IN.
PRIOR TO HAVING THE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVED.
SO WE HAD THEM COME BACK IN AND PUT THE PRELIMINARY, UH, UPDATE THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
SO THAT EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVE DIDN'T, WE WAS THERE WHENEVER THE SURVEYOR WENT OUT PRODUCED.
SO WHAT'S, SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A NEW 20 FOOT? OR DOES THAT INCLUDE THE DRIVE? YES, IT INCLUDES THE DRIVE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE ADDING ANOTHER 20 FEET RIGHT.
AND YOU ALL PROVED THE REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN, UM, AT THE APRIL 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S THE, UH, DRIVEWAY THAT THEY PUT IN TO, UM, SERVICE OF BARN.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE IS A REVISED MASTER PLAN FOR THE EAST PARK SUBDIVISION FOR A LOTS TWO AND THREE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, UM, 2023 WE DID A REZONING, UH, FOR EAST PARK, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, A HOTEL TO BE PUT IN.
SO IN THE, THE MIDDLE LOT IS A HOTEL AND THE LOT ON THE TOP AND THE LOT IN THE BOTTOM ARE, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO THEY'RE DOING SOME, UM, EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO LIKE, NEAR THE BUILDINGS TO KIND OF HELP REVITALIZE, UM, THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND ATTRACT NEW TENANTS.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOMEWHAT LOW VACANCY, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY KIND OF WHAT THE, UM, REVISED MASTER PLAN IS FOR.
AND THEN SINCE THEY'RE DOING IMPROVEMENTS ON EACH LOT, WE ALSO HAVE TWO MINOR SITE PLANS.
ALTERATIONS FOR, UM, BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS, TWO AND THREE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO AS PART OF THIS, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THEY DID GET A, FOR EITHER REVISED MASTER PLAN OR ON THEIR MASTER PLAN, THEY WERE SHOWING, UM, EITHER A, A FUTURE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT TENANT ON THE CORNER.
SO, UM, NO ONE'S REALLY SURE WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THEIR FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS ON THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU READ THIS AND YOU SEE EAST PARK SUBDIVISION MM-HMM
I THINK A SUBDIVISION WITH HOUSES.
I THINK OF THIS AS BEING CORPORATE PARK.
I MEAN, IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE LABEL SEEMS A LITTLE WRONG HERE,
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IS THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT.I MEAN, AM I, WHAT'S IT OFFICIALLY CALLED CORPORATE PARK TO BE CONSISTENT? I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CHANGE IT.
THERE ARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
THAT TERM APPLIES TO THIS ONE.
OFFICE PARK AND THAT USUALLY WHAT THEY DO.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK THERE.
THERE'S HOUSES GOING IN THERE.
YOU SAY SUBDIVISION AT MARYLAND PARK ALL GET IN TROUBLE.
WE CAN CHANGE RESIDENTIAL, DO THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE NAMING OF IT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST EACH PARK PART.
WELL, YEAH, OWNERSHIP EACH PART.
GENERAL PARTNERSHIP IS THE OWNER.
JUST ANYTHING ON SUB WE'LL CHANGE IT TO OFFICE, PARK OR SUB, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
OTHER THAN SUBDIVISION, THEY ARE SEPARATE PARCELS FARMS. YEAH.
IT TECHNICALLY IS A SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD SUBDIVISION, BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
SO THERE'S THEIR OVERALL, UH, MASTER PLANS.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS HERE.
THERE USED TO BE AN, AN OFFICE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE THAT THEY SORT DOWN AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A HOTEL.
AND THEN HERE'S THE, UM, RETAIL RESTAURANT FUTURE, UM, BUILDING THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN FOR A SITE PLAN WHEN THAT DOES, UM, HAPPEN.
UM, AND THEN FOR BUILDING, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM ONE? IS THAT THREE? UH, BUILDING TWO.
UM, SO THIS ONE, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, SIDEWALK RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE OUTLINED IN RED.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE REMOVING THIS SIDEWALK SLASH MOD.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY REMOVING, THEY'RE MODIFYING IT TO A MORE NATURAL FEEL IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THEY'RE REROUTING THE SIDEWALK THERE, THEY'RE ADDING THIS KIND OF LANDSCAPE AREA AND LIKE TRAIL UP TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF REVITALIZE IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE EIGHTIES, NINETIES LOOK TO A MORE 2020 LOOK, UM, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AROUND IT AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE CREATING A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY LOOK.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING WITH BUILDING THREE AS WELL.
THIS IS THE EXISTING FRONT OF THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE IN RED THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING TO MAKES THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THEY'RE JUST KIND OF MODERNIZING IT REALLY.
THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING AS FAR AS THIS APPLICATION'S GOING.
UM, JUST TO THE HARDSCAPE LANDSCAPE AREA OUTSIDE IN THE FRONTS OF BOTH BUILDINGS.
SO THE HOTEL IS ACTUALLY NOT PROPOSED, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
JUST BUILDING TWO AND THREE AND IT'S ON A SEPARATE LOT AND I THINK SEPARATE OWNERSHIP FOR THE LOT.
SO EAST PARK OWNS LOTS ONE AND THREE, AND THEN, UM, THE OWNER OF THE HOTEL OWNS LOT TWO, BUT THE RESTAURANT IS JUST A CONCEPT NOW.
THERE'S NO CORRECT SPECIFIC PLAN.
UM, YEAH, WHENEVER THAT COMES TO FOURTH, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW OF, OF A TIMELINE OR NOT FOR THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST THERE AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE YOU MARKETING IT FOR LEASE AVAILABLE? UM, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I, I THINK ONCE THEY KIND OF GET, GET THROUGH THE OFFICE PORTION, MAYBE WE FOCUS ON ONTO OF THAT, THAT ASPECT THERE.
I CAN SPEAK, WE, WE, WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT A POTENTIAL USER THERE AT THE RESTAURANT, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PRIOR CONDITIONS, WHICH IS BRINGING THIS ENTIRE SITE UP TO THIS CURRENT STORM REGULATION.
SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THAT OUT.
THERE'S ALSO CONDITIONS FOR THE HOTEL TO DO SOME SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THEY'RE CONDITIONED UPON THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO CAN YOU FEEL LIKE THE PARKING IS O CAN ACCOMMODATE THE RESTAURANT IF IT WERE A RESTAURANT? YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT FOR THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THEY WOULD'VE TO ABIDE BY THAT.
THESE TWO DEVELOPMENT, THESE, THESE TWO SITE PLAN ALTERATIONS DON'T IMPACT ANY PARKING THAT'S OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
SO THEY'RE JUST ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT, AND THAT PARKING STUDY IS ATTACHED TO THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN.
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IF YOU WANNA, I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE THAT.UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO PARKING ON THIS.
UM, JUST SOME HARDSCAPING NEAR THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, GET TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
IF I COULD GO BACK TO 1118 LONG STREET, THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A NOTE IN THE CONDITIONS THAT SAYS ALL PRIOR CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVED PLAN WILL ESSENTIALLY RUN ALONG WITH THIS APPROVAL AS WELL.
THERE'S A FEW OF THOSE THAT ALLISON, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE LIST OF CONDITIONS.
UH, KEVIN CAN GET THOSE TO YOU AND IF YOU WILL, YOU CAN UPDATE THE COMMISSIONERS HOPEFULLY PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
BUT THERE, THERE IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING STATEMENT THAT SAYS ALL PRIOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL YET APPLY TO THIS APPROVAL, BUT WE WANT TO, THERE'S A FEW OF THOSE THAT WE WANT TO GET, UM, HIGHLIGHT YEAH.
IF YOU CAN JUST GET THAT TO ME YES MA'AM.
BEFORE MONDAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, SO WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE AMENDING SECTION 78 DASH FOUR 20 C FOUR, UM, OF OUR SIGN ORDINANCE FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, UM, SIGNS AND SCOREBOARDS.
UM, THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS KIND OF BROUGHT, UM, CAME ABOUT FROM BRENTWOOD ACADEMY WANTING TO UPGRADE THE SIZE OF THEIR, UM, SCOREBOARD TO KIND OF MATCH THAT OF BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL.
OBVIOUSLY, BRENTWOOD AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL ARE COUNTY SCHOOLS, SO THEY CAN, UM, NOT ABIDE BY ON BRENTWOOD SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SINCE BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IS A CITY SCHOOL, THEY'RE HELD TO OUR, UM, REGULATIONS.
SO, UH, JACKSON AND I DID A, DID SOME RESEARCH AND WENT VISIT ALL THE SCHOOLS AND HAD FUN TAKING PICTURES AND MEASURING ALL OF THE DIFF DIFFERENT SCOREBOARDS.
AND, UM, SO THEY'VE KIND OF, UH, REWRITTEN THE ORDINANCE TO MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING AT BRENTWOOD, UH, HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, THIS WAS APPROVED OR APPROVED FIRST READING FOR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON MAY 12TH.
YOU GUYS WILL OBVIOUSLY SEE THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT, JUNE 2ND.
UM, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 9TH.
AND THEN THE SECOND FINAL READING, UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE, UH, BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FULL ON JUNE 23RD.
UM, HERE'S KIND OF WHAT, UH, BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL HAS AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL HAS.
AND THEN, UM, KIND OF WHAT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IS PROPOSING.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A COMPARISON OF WHAT IS IT, OF WHAT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY WANTS OR HAS.
SO THE DATA YOU SEE THERE FOR BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IS WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE DIMENSIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, UM, TO ME.
AND THEN BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL IN RAVENWOOD, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY ON THEIR SCOREBOARDS.
SO BRENTWOOD ACADEMY JUST WANTS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER TWO SCHOOLS.
SO THEIR, THEIR NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE FAIRLY SIMILAR AS WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
SO THE ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE IT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, A SCOREBOARD WON'T EXCEED MORE THAN 40 FEET IN HEIGHTS.
UM, BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IS NOT PROPOSING THAT HIGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY EQUAL TO RAVENWOOD AND BRENTWOOD HIGH AGO, I BELIEVE BOTH BRENTWOOD AND RAVENWOOD GOT NEW SIGNS ABOUT, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THE ORDINANCE IS TO MATCH THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IS TO MATCH WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT.
NOT THE, IT WON'T BE A, THERE'S SOME ADVERTISING ON THERE, BUT THE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHOW ADVERTISING ON THE SCOREBOARD.
IT WAS NOT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF ALLOWABLE ADVERTISING SPACE IS NOT LIGHTED OR IS IT? IT'S FOR BOTTOM PART DOWN THIS BOTTOM PART.
SO BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'VE GOT THEIR, UM, ADVERTISING SPACE HERE AND THEN THEN IT'S NOT WITH, CORRECT.
DOESN'T THE ORDINANCE ALLOW FOR SPONSORED MESSAGING BEFORE OR AFTER A GAVE IT, UM, LIKE A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD? LIKE AN HOUR? I CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T HAVE ON YOUR, UM, I'M NOT SURE.
IT SAYS IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, COMMERCIAL MESSAGES SHALL NOT BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ON ELECTRIC ME ELECTRONIC MESSAGES DISPLAY.
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THEY'LL DO IT DURING THE GAMES, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT EXACT, YEAH, I DON'T IF THOSE ELECTRONIC MESSAGES ARE SPECIFICALLY ARE FOR THE ADS OR NOT.THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU BACK THE SLIDE UP FOR THE ORDINANCE? YEAH.
SO, UM, RIGHT HERE IT SAYS COMMERCIAL MESSAGES SHALL NOT BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ON THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY.
AND THEN, UM, IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCES DOES STATE THAT, UM, EXCEPT FOR, SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADDED, EXCEPT FOR SCORE AND TIMEKEEPING, ONLY ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAYS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE SCOREBOARD SHALL BE OPERATED AT NO OTHER TIME EXCEPT FOR ONE HOUR PRIOR TO AN ATHLETIC EVENT UNTIL 30 MINUTES AFTER THE EVENT AS CONCLUDED.
WHICH ALSO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WILL LIMIT THE TIME THAT THE SCORE I SCOREBOARDS ARE ON BE ON SCOREBOARD.
THAT MEANS NOTHING CAN BE ON IT WHEN THERE'S NOT AN ATHLETIC EVENT.
YOU KNOW, AND, UM, BRENTWOOD ACADEMY IS IN A, A KIND OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN, UM, BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOLS.
THEY'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL.
SO, BUT, UM, STAFF HAS MET WITH NEIGHBORS FOR BRENTWOOD ACADEMY.
I THINK THERE WAS EVEN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT NO ONE SHOWED UP AT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, GONE DOOR KNOCKING ALSO.
AND THERE'S BEEN NO, UM, PUSHBACK AGAINST, UH, FOR OUR OWN ACADEMY WANTING TO HAVE A LARGER, UM, SCOREBOARD.
AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL AUDIO COMPONENT WITH THESE.
THAT'S EXACTLY, NO, THE AUDIO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S SEPARATE, I BELIEVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, NOT THAT FOOTBALL GAMES ARE QUIET, BUT STILL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ANYTHING FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT, I THINK YOU'RE JUST KIND OF EXPECTED TO NO.
PER THE BE USED TO IT, I GUESS.
CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THE AUDIO IS THE EXACT SAME THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS USED.
SO THE SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.
IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE SCOREBOARD.
I, I, SO IT'S NOT, I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS TWO YEARS AGO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST BECAUSE OF, UM, KIDS WANNA SEE THEIR IMAGES UP THERE.
THEY WANT MORE THAN JUST A SCOREBOARD.
THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE A, YOU KNOW, A THEIR, THEIR FACE UP THERE AND STAR
UH, IT HELPS THE KIDS OUT TOO.
THE MAIN THING THAT WE WERE CONCERNED WITH IS WE DIDN'T WANNA PASS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT THEN COULD AFFECT OUR OTHER BILLBOARDS IN TOWN.
SO KRISTEN SAYS THIS IS TOTALLY JUST A SCOREBOARD.
THIS IS ONLY A CHANGE, UM, WITHIN THE SERVICE INSTITUTION SECTION FOR THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, AND ONLY SPECIFICALLY TWO ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE, ONE.
UM, COULD THIS BE USED AT MIDDLE SCHOOLS AS WELL? THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF THAT, BUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, UM, THEN THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS HAVE CAPABILITIES OF IT.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST ONE IS BRENTWOOD SHARES.
BRENTWOOD HIGHS, ONE PER CAMPUS, ONE USES CROCKETT PARK, THE NEW ONE GOING IN HAS FOODS.
I DON'T THINK IS TALK, UH, THE SPLIT, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BEHIND JORDAN IS MORE A MULTI-PURPOSE FIELD.
UM, THE COUNTY COULD DO WHAT THEY WANT ANYHOW.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
I JUST HAVE ONE, IT SAYS GROVE PARK, THE ADVERTISEMENT THERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH THAT LAST SENTENCE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH.
IT THE A HUNDRED NO, THE COMMERCIAL.
NO, THE COMMERCIAL CAN'T BE ON IT.
SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE ADVERTISING AREA.
THAT IS A PERMANENT, THE GROVE PARK IS A PERMIT.
SO THAT'S TO MATCH WHAT HIGH SCHOOL HAS OVER HERE.
BUT IF YOU JUST GO TO THE LANGUAGE, IT SAYS PART OF THE SIGN
IT LOOKS LIKE PART OF THE SIGN.
AND THEN THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE ADVERTISING OTHER THAN ON THE DIGITAL.
ELECTRONIC, IT SAYS EXCEPT FOR A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF ADVERTISING AREA, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM, THE BROKE PART.
AND IT SAYS COMMA COMMERCIAL MESSAGES SHALL NOT BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SQUARE WORD OTHER THAN THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGES.
MAYBE IF YOU INSERT IT TO COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE AREA, IT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
DON'T FORGET, WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I GUESS MY POINT IS YOU CAN ARGUE RAN IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I READ IT THE SAME WAY.
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LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE ON THAT.YOU WOULD, BECAUSE REALLY THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ONE YES.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, AN AREA THAT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET MAX, RIGHT? YEAH.
AREA FOR PERMANENT ADVERTISING BECAUSE ANYTHING IN ELECTRONICS GONNA BE TEMPORARY UNDER THOSE TEMPORARY RULES.
AND SO YES, THIS IS DIFFERENT PERMANENT.
TO GO ON WHAT STEVE WAS SAYING EARLIER, ARE WE GONNA ALLOW THEM TO RUN ADVERTISING MESSAGES UP ON BOARD THERE? BECAUSE THEN, THEN WE'RE INTO THE BILLBOARDS KIND OF THING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE UP ON THE MAIN WHERE THE CONTENT YEAH.
THE PLAYERS ARE RIGHT NOW ON THAT BOARD.
ARE WE GONNA ALLOW THEM BEFORE THE GAME STARTS? 'CAUSE THERE'S AN HOUR WHERE THE BOARD CAN BE USED BEFORE THE GAME STARTS.
ARE WE GONNA ALLOW THEM TO RUN ADS UP ON THOSE BOARDS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
FOR THE LANGUAGE THEN IT BECOMES A BILLBOARD AND NOT A SCOREBOARD.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE SAYS CAN'T BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY.
SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY CAN USE THAT 700 SQUARE FOOT THING AS A BILLBOARD FOR AN HOUR BEFORE THE GAME AND AN HOUR, HALF HOUR AFTER THE GAME.
AND WOULDN'T THEY WANT TO DO THAT FOR FUNDRAISING FOR THE SCHOOL? WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE, I MEAN THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT KIND OF MESSAGING IN THE CITY, LIKE ON BILLBOARDS AND STUFF.
SO YOU'RE TURNING THIS WELL, I THINK THAT TO BILLBOARD, THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS IS TO JUST MAKE IT FAIR TO VA RIGHT.
FOR WHAT BRENTWOOD RAVENWOOD ARE.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY LANGUAGE, THE WAY IT WORDED, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK BRENTWOOD HIGH AND RAVENWOOD ARE RUNNING ADS ON THEIR BOARDS NOW.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORDING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, YOU LOOK AT THE WORDING, WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO SCROLL ELECTRONIC ADS UP THERE.
BUT PART OF THE LAST THING, COMMERCIAL MESSAGES SHOULD NOT BE DISPLAYED ON THE SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ELECTRONIC MESSAGES.
SO THAT'S SAYING THAT UP ON THAT BIG 700 SQUARE FOOT BOARD, THEY CAN RUN MESSAGES.
EXCEPT FOR THE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT.
THAT'S THE, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET REVENUE AS A PARENT, I'D BE LIKE, HECK YEAH, I'D SELL THAT TIME.
JEN, ARE YOU ASKING BASICALLY THAT WHEN DURING THAT, THAT DURING THE GAME OR DURING THE EVENT OR THAT TIME? BEFORE AND AFTER? IF THEY RUN ADVERTISING ON ELECTRONIC PORTION OF THE SCREEN YES.
DOES THAT CONFLICT WITH HOW WE REGULATE BILLBOARDS AND IONS? YES.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WORDED WRONG.
IF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THE ONLY ADVERTISING WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS THE A HUNDRED FOOT BELOW THE SIGN.
UM, THAT SHOULD SAY THAT COMMERCIAL MESSAGING SHOULD NOT BE DISPLAYED ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE SCOREBOARD OR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE ELECTRONIC SCOREBOARD.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE, THAT THE MESS THAT THE, UH, ADVERTISING WAS ALLOWED RIGHT UNDER THE, ON THE, ON THE ELECTRONIC PORTION OF IT.
AND THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW NOT ONLY, OF COURSE, LARGER BOARD, BUT IT ALLOWS A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF THE FIXED ADVERTISING.
BUT OTHER, BUT OTHERWISE THERE'S NO CHANGE.
I WOULD, I WOULD, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ELECTRONIC MESSAGING ON THOSE SCOREBOARDS.
THEY WERE JUST, THEY WERE THE BLACK FACES WITH THE, WITH THE LIGHT BULBS, WHATEVER.
SO THEY'RE, YOU COULDN'T RUN MESSAGES ACROSS 'EM.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THE, THE, THE, UH, BLACK COLORED LANG OR, UH, FONT IS THERE.
BECAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE EXISTING CODE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK THAT GOES.
IT DOESN'T REFERENCE IT THERE, BUT OF COURSE THE RED IS THE CHANGE.
SO IF YOU ELIMINATE THE RED, IT DOES SAY COMMERCIAL MESSAGE SHALL NOT BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ON AN ELECTRIC MESSAGE DISPLAY.
AND THEN IT WAS SUBJECT TO THE TIME BEFORE, SO IT WAS AT LEAST ALLOWABLE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.
WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH LAW AND GET SOMETHING BACK.
WE DIDN'T, IT, IT DIDN'T COME UP REALLY THAT CLOSE TO SCRUTINY IN THE CITY MEETING.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT REALLY SAYS THAT THAT FIRST PHRASE DOESN'T GO WITH THE REST OF THE, WITH THE REST OF THE SENTENCE.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE EXISTING ORDINANCE DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE.
AND SO IN CHANGING IT TO ALLOW, I DON'T, WHAT THE EXISTING ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAID IS, I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BOARDS THAT COULD DO THAT.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BOARDS THAT WERE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
DID YOU PUT THEY JUST PUT IT PERMANENT ADVERTISING.
WE, BUT THIS EXISTING PART WE NEED TO TRY TO GET, THAT NEEDS TO BE RE REWARDING.
BILLBOARD DISPLAY GOING OFF AND DOWN.
AND WE'LL GET WITH TODD WHEN HE GETS BACK.
'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S THE ONE WHO HAS WRITTEN THIS LANGUAGE AND, UM, PROPO AND PRESENTED IT TO CITY COMMISSIONS.
SO I MEAN, LIKE JASON SAID, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATION.
WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AND WE WILL, TODD WILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF GO MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT IT.
THIS LOOKS LIKE CURRENT LANGUAGE EFFECT.
WELL, IT, IF WE VOTE FOR THIS AS WRITTEN, THEN IT'S GONNA ALLOW THEM TO RUN.
BUT ALSO, OR BRENTWOOD HIGH OR RAVENWOOD TO RUN MESSAGES OUT THERE, WHICH WOULD FOR
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CHICK-FIL-A OR WHATEVER.WHICH WOULD BE LIKE, JANET, TWO THINGS.
ONE, I DON'T, THIS DOESN'T AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO CARE WHAT WE SAY'S.
AND TWO, WE'RE DOING, THIS BOARD IS DOING NOTHING MORE THAN MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THE MAY 20 OR THE JUNE 23RD CITY COMMISSION MEETING WILL ACTUALLY DECIDE AND LEAVE.
THEN OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THEY'RE, MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CHANGE.
THE WORDING
NOT US BECAUSE WE'RE YOU'RE ONE OF THE SIX.
YOU CAN, THERES ANOTHER IT MEET THE STANDARDS.
YOU GUYS FIX IT AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATION PROBLEM, PROBLEM IT MEET THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
WELL, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IF YOU TAKE THE RED OUT AND YOU ELIMINATE THE EDIT DOES ALLOW THAT ADVERTISING.
WHETHER THEY'VE DONE IT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN ALLOWED IN THAT LANGUAGE? BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE RED, YOU TAKE THE CURRENT EDIT OUT OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS COMMERCIAL MESSAGES SHALL NOT BE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ON AN ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY.
WHICH MEANS THAT AS LONG AS THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN IN PLACE, IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY, YOU CAN ADVERTISE ON IT.
DURING THE TIME LIMITATIONS THAT IT MENTIONS BEFORE THAT LANGUAGE.
I, I THINK I'VE BEEN TO SOME FOOTBALL GAMES THAT I'VE SEEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AWAY FROM THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT ON THE STREET.
AND I WOULD THINK FROM A HIGH SCHOOL STANDPOINT, YOU WOULD WANT THAT FOR YOUR FUNDRAISING.
YOU'RE GOING TO, I WOULD WANT LIMITED BENEFIT TO PUT MY AD UP THERE TO SPONSOR THAT RAVENWOOD TEAM, BRENTWOOD TEAM, BA TEAM.
AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG SELLING POINT.
NELSON TALKED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
AND HE SAID AT RAVENWOOD THEY MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF HANGING SIGNS ON THE FENCE BEFORE THE FOOTBALL GAME AND TAKING THEM DOWN, TRYING TO AVOID PUTTING THEM UP ON THE SCOREBOARD THERE.
I REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I, I DON'T REMEMBER MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
BUT AT ONE POINT RAVENWOOD WANTED TWICE AS BIG A SCOREBOARD AND THEY WANTED IT HAND ADS ALL THE TIME.
AND THIS, THIS APPEARS TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND AT A COLLEGE, RIGHT? YES.
UH, WHETHER YOU'RE IN AN ARENA, WHETHER YOU'RE OUTSIDE IN BETWEEN THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON, YOU'LL SEE AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR A SPONSOR OF THE, OF THE SCORE OF THE SCHOOL.
AND APPARENTLY THAT'S, THAT'S LED INTO HIGH SCHOOL ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
SO WE CAN GET YOU HISTORY AND MAKE SURE THAT LAW IS LOOKED AT THAT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO DO, OBVIOUSLY AS A BOARD YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO SERVICE INSTITUTIONS AND ATHLETIC FIELDS.
SO THE SAME DISCUSSION YOU TELL IF IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO CLINIC COMMISSION ABOUT THE SIGNS ON THE FENCES YES.
SO I THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
WHERE ARE WE ALLOWING ADS AND HOW PERMANENT CAN THEY BE? YEAH.
AND YOU HAD TO THINK ABOUT THE CROSSOVER WITH CHURCHES AND SIGNS OF CHURCHES TOO, RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION FROM CITY COMMISSION ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME, UM, CHURCHES THAT DO HAVE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UH, SO AGAIN, IT'S, WE'VE STAFF HAS ADDED THAT ONLY LIKE ONE SINGLE-SIDED ELECTRONIC MESSAGE, UH, WILL BE ALLOWED PER CAMPUS.
BUT EVEN THE SIGNS THAT LIKE LIPSCOMB, THEY'RE NOT ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD, THEY'RE JUST DOWN THE FENCE.
SO THAT ONE, UM, I BELIEVE IN CITY COMMISSION, THE BRIEFING Y'ALL HAD.
THOSE WILL, UM, NEED TO COME OR WE'LL, WE ARE GONNA REQUIRE THIS TO COME DOWN.
ONE WAS THE FIXED COMMERCIAL, JUST ONGOING COMMERCIAL SIGNING AND THEN THE OTHER, THE TYPING, THE MANNERS AND HOW THEY WERE FIXED.
AND SO, UH, IN THE BRIEFING, THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
NO, NO INTEREST IN CHANGING THE CODE TO ALLOW AND THEREFORE GO BACK TO A LETTER ISSUED ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT SAID, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THEM DOWN THIS SUMMER? KIND OF, UH, THE CITY KIND OF SAID, WE'LL PAUSE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME DEALS, BUT THE SUMMER PLEASE TAKE 'EM DOWN.
THE UM, WHAT MIGHT BE MISSING THERE IS AFTER THE WORD, AFTER AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY, IF THE WORD BOARD WAS UP THERE, THEN THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEN THE WHOLE SENTENCE MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE EXCEPT FOR THE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF ADVERTISING, NO MESSAGE DISPLAYED ON ANY SCOREBOARD OTHER THAN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE DISPLAY.
AND THAT A HUNDRED, UH, SQUARE FEET IS ALREADY DEFINED.
SO IT'S THE PERMANENT PART DOWN BELOW.
SO MAYBE THAT'S JUST MISSING A WORD.
AND DO WE NEED QUESTION TO HELP US WITH, IF THE CITY COMMISSION SAID THIS AND WE CHANGE WHAT WE SAY, DOES IT MUDDY THE WHOLE PROCESS UP? NO.
YOU WOULD, UM, ADD IT OR CAN WE JUST SET IN YOUR MOTION, I BELIEVE IS THERE, UM, IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AS A
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RECOMMENDATION TO ADD LANGUAGE AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON THAT.UM, WITHIN THEN THE CITY COMMISSION DECIDES WHETHER THEY LIKE OUR LANGUAGE OR NOT.
AND WHAT WE THINK WE'LL GET WITH STAFF BEFORE, UH, OUR, OUR MEETING ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, TO DISCUSS THESE CHANGES.
MAYBE KRISTEN CAN RECOMMEND THE CHANGES THAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND BACK
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, ANY OTHER, UM, AGENDA ITEMS. WE WILL MOVE THE YARDSTICK USE DETERMINATION AND MINOR SITE PLAN ALTERATION TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
UH, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE SAYING ON CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE'VE GOT YOUR ORDINANCE CHANGE.
AND THEN, UM, WE WILL SEE Y'ALL ON MONDAY NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.