* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE'LL [00:00:01] BE RIGHT OVER TO YOU. WONDERFUL, [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing May 22, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the May 27th Agenda, the items below will be discussed: Racquet Facility Operating Pro Forma Report Process to fill City Commissioner Vacancy Banner Signs at Schools This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.] THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, REAL QUICK, A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS. WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER TODAY. UH, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE ON YOUR CALENDAR THE SERVICE CENTER APPRECIATION PICNIC AT 11 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE LATEST, IF YOU WANT TO BE THERE, WOULD BE PROBABLY 10 30. SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'LL TRY TO PUSH THROUGH AND WHAT WE GET DONE, WE GET DONE. IF WE DON'T GET SOMETHING DONE, THAT'S FINE. THAT MEANS I'LL ON THE AGENDA REVIEW, I'LL MOVE THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. SO YOU HAVE TO STOP ME IF YOU WANT TO, UH, FOCUS IN ON AN AREA. UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA START OUT OF ORDER. WE HAVE GREG, UH, WEISS CARVER, UH, WITH SPORTS FACILITIES ADVISORY, AND WE HAVE THE FIVE YEAR OPERATING PERFORMANCE THEY PUT TOGETHER, UH, FOR A WOULD BE A FUTURE POTENTIAL, UH, RACKET FACILITY. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE HAVE HIM, UH, NO LATER THAN, OR NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES HERE, NINE TO NINE 30. AND SO HE WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THIS. UH, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP UP ON, ON THE SCREEN AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, ANY, UH, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT KIND OF THE FUTURE OF THE FACILITY, WE'D LIKE TO WAIT, GET HIM OFF BECAUSE HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT TOO MUCH. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER WE FINISH THE PERFORMER CONVERSATION IF YOU'D LIKE. SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, GREG, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. WONDERFUL. WELL, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MORNING. UM, YES, AND I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR HERE. UH, I KNOW I HAVEN'T MET ALL OF YOU, UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS JUST TO GIVE YOU USEFUL AND ACCURATE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE. UH, IT IS NOT MY JOB TO TALK YOU INTO OR OUT OF, UH, CONSTRUCTING ANYTHING. UM, SO A VERY INDEPENDENT, UH, LOOK HERE. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. LET ME JUST HIT THE HIGH POINTS. UM, AND THEN, UH, AND THEN WE CAN DO QUESTIONS, UH, OFF OF THAT. UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE REPORT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, LET ME SKIP DOWN THE PRELIMINARY STUFF DOWN TO PAGE FOUR. UM, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE FACILITY PROGRAM, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL SPEAKING APPLES TO APPLES, UH, THIS IS BASED ON SEVEN TENNIS COURTS AND EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS WITH ADDITIONAL, WE CALL IT FLEX SPACE, BUT IT'S OTHER AMENITIES LIKE THE PARKS AND REC OFFICE SPACE, UH, UH, SMALL CONCESSIONS WITH SEATING AREA. UH, WHEN IT SAYS FLEX OR TEAM ROOMS REFERENCE, IT'S REALLY JUST SOME, SOME MEETING SPACES THAT ARE FLEXIBLE, MEETING SPACES THAT CAN BE USED. ANYTHING FROM CLASSROOM TEACHING TO SMALL MEETINGS TO YES, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ON FIRES, BREAK ROOM IF A TOURNAMENT WAS GOING ON, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UH, BUT FLEXIBLE, UH, ROOM, A POTENTIAL TRAINING ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME REHAB AND, AND MUSCLE, UH, MASSAGES AND WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UH, RESTROOMS. UM, AND, UH, AND THAT'S WITH THE FULL SPACE THERE, I THINK, UH, COMES TO 86,000 OR SO SQUARE FEET, UH, OF, UH, OF SPACE. UM, AND PARKING. PARKING IS, IS A HIGHER NUMBER THAN MOST PEOPLE. USUALLY OUR PARKING NUMBER IS, IS, UH, MORE THAN PEOPLE PLANNED ON. BUT, UH, THAT'S AT MAXIMUM U THAT IS MAXIMUM USE. THAT IS, UH, MEMBERSHIPS AND EVENTS AND EVERYTHING. IF, IF THINGS ARE HUMMING ALONG, THAT'S THE MAX NUMBER, UH, OF PARKING SPACES THAT YOU WOULD NEED. IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN THAT, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. UH, I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE, THE ULTIMATE NUMBER FOR EFFICIENCY AND, AND, UH, AND TRAFFIC FLOW. SO LET ME PAUSE JUST REAL QUICK. I'LL, I'LL TAKE A, A BREATH AFTER EACH SECTION THERE, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION ON THAT PAGE. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO DOWN, SKIP A COUPLE PAGES HERE. LET'S GET TO, UM, CAPITAL COSTS AND STARTUP EXPENSES, UM, FOR THIS FACILITY ON PAGE SIX. UH, CERTAINLY THERE CAN BE, ALWAYS CAN BE SOME LOCAL EFFICIENCIES. IF, IF WE HAVE, UH, WELL-MEANING CONTACTS OR PEOPLE THAT OWE THE CITY SOME, SOME WORK OR WHATEVER, CAN FLEX THESE. BUT THESE ARE MEANT TO BE SPECIFIC TO YOUR MARKET. UM, RATES, UH, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AND CERTAINLY THERE ARE LEVERS TO BE PULLED HERE TO MAKE THINGS THAT CAN, UH, INFLUENCE THINGS UP AND DOWN. UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, REGARDLESS OF YOUR POLITICAL, UH, LEANINGS, UH, WHICH WE WOULD NOT DARE TOUCH, UH, TARIFFS ARE A REAL, UH, THING THAT AFFECT, UH, THINGS RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THESE NUMBERS, UH, THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN TO, UH, HARD COSTS FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. THEN THERE'S THE FIELD AND SPORT OR THE SPORT EQUIPMENT IN THIS CASE COST, WHICH IS THE COURT AREAS THEMSELVES. AND THEN THERE'S F, S AND E FURNITURE FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY IF YOU TURN THE BUILDING UPSIDE DOWN AND SHOOK IT REAL GOOD, IT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT WOULD FALL OUT. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE THE PLACE GO. UM, AND THEN THE SOFT COSTS, AND WE'LL, WE, [00:05:01] WE CAN TOUCH ON EACH OF THESE. UM, BUT IN EACH SECTION, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S TWO NUMBERS, UM, THAT SAY CONTINGENCY AND ESCALATION. UH, CONTINGENCY IS JUST THAT, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PLAN, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW SOMETHING'S GONNA GET DIFFERENT, RIGHT? UH, MAYBE IT GOES DOWN, BUT MORE CASES THAN NOT, IT GOES UP, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON. UH, COULD BE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES OR TARIFFS OR WHATEVER. UM, SO THAT'S MEANT TO COVER, UH, THE UNKNOWNS, UH, THAT ALWAYS HAPPEN. AND THEN ESCALATION IS JUST TYPICALLY WHEN WE GIVE A REPORT, IT IS NOT RIGHT, BUILD BACK TOMORROW. IT IS JUST NORMAL, UM, COST INCREASES, UH, FOR STANDARD, EVEN IF, EVEN IF, UH, CONTINGENCIES DON'T HAPPEN, THERE'S JUST NORMAL COST INCREASE, UH, OVER TIME. SO, ALL THAT TO SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UH, AND SEE THAT 17,000,500 NUMBER, I KNOW I'VE BEEN PRIVY TO, UH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT HAVE, UH, TAKEN PLACE OVER THE PREVIOUS MONTHS. I THINK DIFFERENT NUMBERS HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT. UM, 13 MILLION OF 16 MILLION. THIS IS PROBABLY THE HIGHER, UH, NUMBER. BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE JUST THE CONTINGENCIES IN ESCALATION, THAT'S $2.7 MILLION TOTAL OF THAT, OF THAT SECTION. AND WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE, JUST AS A STANDARD THING, WE OFFER, UH, OWNER'S REPRESENTATION SERVICES IF NEEDED. SO THAT IS, WE WOULD MANAGE THE WHOLE PROCESS OF LINING UP, UM, YOU KNOW, GCS OVERSEEING THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, MAKING SURE IT'S ON TIME, ON BUDGET. UH, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THAT. I'M NOT HERE TO TRY AND SELL, YOU OWN THE DIRECT SERVICES, BUT IT'S IN THERE THAT US OR SOMEONE'S DOING THAT. IF THAT'S NOT NEEDED, THERE'S ANOTHER $750,000 OF, UM, COSTS THAT COULD BE ALLEVIATED AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S LEGITIMATELY, UM, THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT NUMBER THAT COULD BE DECREASED. YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THINGS GOING WELL, UH, WOULD NOT REMOVE THE CONTINGENCY OR ESCALATION JUST AS A, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA UNDER PROMISE OR OVER PROMISE, UNDER DELIVER, BUT, UM, BUT JUST TO GIVE, GIVE REFERENCE TO THAT POINT THAT IT'S REALLY PROBABLY NOT THAT FAR OFF IN, UH, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. SO LEMME HOLD THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THAT. UH, I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. SO THIS LOOKS LIKE IT IS THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T SEE LINE ITEMS FOR SITE WORK OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY. ARE THOSE IN THERE INCLUDED IN A NUMBER OR ARE THOSE, WOULD IT BE SEPARATE LINE ITEMS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE? YEAH, UNDER THE HARD COST AT THE TOP, THERE'S A LINE THAT SAYS SITE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S FINE. SO THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSING, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSING WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. OKAY. UH, WHICH PAGE IS THAT? YEAH, PAGE FIVE, FIVE RIGHT NOW. PAGE FOURTH. YEAH, SORRY, YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING IT'S SIX ON, ON MINE THERE, IT'S SHOWING SIX, BUT IT MAYBE IT SAYS NUMBER FIVE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PAGE. IT'S PROBABLY COUNTING MY COVER PAGE ON ONLINE. SO, YES. SORRY, PAGE FIVE. I APOLOGIZE IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE WRONG. I, THAT'S MY FAULT. MY, MY NUMBERING'S OFF ON MY STUFF. SO NUMBER PAGE FIVE IS THE, THE PAGE I'VE BEEN REFERENCING. YES. SO HARD CALLS, THE FIELD SUPPORT EQUIPMENT COSTS AND THE S, F AND E, UH, AND THEN SOFT COST, UH, ASSOCIATED, WHICH THE NEXT PAGE DETAILS OUT SOFT COST, WHAT THAT MEANS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND SO ON THE NEXT PAGE IS THAT CAPITAL COST AND STARTUP EXPENSES. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE FIND WE'VE DONE. UH, WE'RE APPROACHING 3,500 OF THESE STUDIES OVER THE YEARS FOR VARIOUS SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUES. UH, THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE MISS, UH, THE GREATEST AT THINKING THAT THEY JUST NEED TO BUILD THE PLACE. AND THEN THE COST OF, OF OPERATING IT, UH, WILL START DAY ONE. AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT CAN HAPPEN THAT WAY, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, AMOUNTS OF MONEY PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AS YOU RAMP UP AND TRY AND, UH, GET THIS FACILITY ON ITS FEET. SO ALL THESE ITEMS REALLY ARE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, FOR US. UM, WE WOULD START, IF WE WERE OPERATING A FACILITY, WE WOULD START THE PRE-OPENING BUDGET, WHICH IS REALLY THIS, UH, 12 MONTHS OUT. UH, WITH A, A GENERAL MANAGER. WHOEVER'S GONNA LEAD THE FACILITY WOULD TYPICALLY BE ON SITE 12 MONTHS PRIOR TO OPENING. UH, ALL THE PRE-BOOKING, UH, ALL THE PRE MEMBERSHIP SALE. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A 90 DAY PROCESS AT MINIMUM. UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE FRONT END MARKETING, GETTING THE WORD OUT, GETTING THIS PLACE BOOKED UP, YOU WANT THIS OPENING, UM, AT WHAT WE CALL 90% UTILIZATION OF, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE MEMBERSHIP SIDE. SO THAT YOU'RE, UH, TYPICALLY THE FACILITIES WE OPERATE, UH, THESE NUMBERS ARE NUMBERS FOR YOU TO LOOK [00:10:01] AT ON HOW A FACILITY'S GONNA OPERATE. WHEN WE GET, UH, TO THE ACTUAL PROFORMA NUMBERS FOR OPERATIONS, OUR FACILITIES TEND TO OPEN CLOSER TO A YEAR THREE, UH, NUMBERS OPERATION IF WE'RE OPERATING 'EM, HAPPY TO GIVE YOU REFERENCES FOR THAT TOO. BUT, UH, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS ESSENTIAL TO HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING, UH, DAY ONE. SO, AND THERE IS A 10% CONTINGENCY, UH, ON THIS NUMBER AS WELL. BUT, UM, PRE-OPENING STAFF, THE POINT IS THAT YOU HAVE STAFF ON THE GROUND TRAINING THEM, PREPARING THEM, UH, GETTING THEM READY FOR DAY ONE PRIOR TO, UH, THE FACILITY EVER BEING OPENED. SO THIS IS TYPICALLY MONEY THAT, THAT CITIES DON'T PLAN FOR. AND WHEN THEY GET STARTED, THEY HAVE TO GO START FINDING, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE THING OPERATE. SO, UM, QUESTIONS ON THE SOUTH COST? ALRIGHT, UM, YEAH, I HAVE ONE. OKAY. IT SAYS STAFF ON THE GROUND. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CITY STAFF OR, OR STAFF PROVIDED BY A MANAGEMENT COMPANY COMPANY? WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STAFFED EITHER WAY. UM, IN, IN THIS, BECAUSE YOU ISSUED AN RFP FOR OUTSOURCE MANAGEMENT, I'M SURE OUR NUMBERS ARE BASED ON OUTSOURCE MANAGEMENT. UH, IF IT IS NOT OUTSOURCE MANAGEMENT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, ADD THESE EMPLOYEES TO YOUR CURRENT, UM, PARKS AND REC STAFF. THE, THE CURRENT STAFF WOULD NOT, I THINK, UM, THEY WOULD, WOULD ECHO, THE CURRENT STAFF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE THIS AS IS. SO THE DIFFERENCE BEING, UM, CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRINGE OF THAT. AND WE, WE SEE RUNNING 40 AND 50% PER EMPLOYEE. OURS IS 21, SO IT, IT WINDS UP, IT SHOULD BE A CHEAPER NUMBER ACTUALLY, UH, IN THE END. BUT EITHER WAY, YEAH, THIS, THIS WOULD BE A STAFF BUDGET THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, INSTRUCTION, THE MAINTENANCE, THE OPERATION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND WE, WE CAN BREAK THAT DOWN HERE ON A LATER PAGE. THANK YOU. AND, UH, YES MA'AM. AND, AND SO I KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, UH, YOU SAID THAT THE, UM, THE SOFT COSTS ON PAGE SIX AS YOU, AS YOU PREPARE FOR STARTUP, ARE IN ADDITION TO THE, THE SOFT COSTS AND THE OTHER DETAIL ON PAGE FIVE, WHICH ARE JUST FACILITY. SO, SO PAGE SIX IS NOTDETAILED FOR PAGE FIVE, PAGE SIX IS IN ADDITION TO PAGE FIVE. UM, LEMME MAKE SURE I SENT THAT RIGHT. THAT IS CORRECT. SERIOUSLY COMING, , WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. , NO PROBLEM, NO PROBLEM. YOU HAVE TO APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION. ABSOLUTELY. GETTING THE WORK DONE. I GOT IT, I GOT IT. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS CAN HEAR. YEAH, WE, WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE DRILLING, BUT I THINK THE DRILLING STOPPED. . SO YES, THERE'S SOFT COST CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN THAT, THAT LAST PAGE, IT IS SOFT COST OPERATIONS. SO, UH, TWO, TWO DIFFERENT, UM, TOPICS THERE. UM, SO YOU GET TO THE OPINION OF COSTS THERE ON, UH, PAGE SEVEN, UH, PAGE SEVEN. AND WE'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LOW, MID AND HIGH BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN AFFECT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THE VOLATILITY OF, OF THE MARKET AND THINGS. BUT THAT'S KIND OF ALL IN YOUR, ALL IN NUMBER, UM, THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO PLAN ON. AGAIN, CONTINGENCIES AND EVERYTHING. THERE'S, THERE'S A, A GOOD, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF, UH, PLUS THREE, 3.3 0.6 PROBABLY OF, UH, CONTINGENCY. AND, AND WITH THE OWNER'S REP SERVICES, THEY DIDN ANY OF THOSE COULD LOWER IT DOWN. UM, SO I WILL SAY THIS TOO, UH, APART FROM OWNER'S REP SERVICES, UH, WE DO WHAT'S CALLED, UM, FF E PROCUREMENT. SO WHERE WE COULD TAKE THAT FINAL FFF E BUDGET IF YOU CHOSE TO, UH, WE COULD GO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOU TO PURCHASE ALL OF THAT FOR YOU. UH, THROUGH DIRECT RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THE VENDORS, WELL, TYPICALLY YOUR FFF AND E NUMBER AND 0.2, 1.2 MILLION, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY LOWER THAT. UH, I WOULD SAY BY 25% IN OUR PURCHASE. TYPICALLY, THE SAVINGS IS 20 TO 25% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET IF WE'RE PURCHASING IT. AND WE WOULD CHARGE YOU A PERCENTAGE OF THAT, SAY, YOU KNOW, 5% OF THE TOTAL TO SAVE YOU 20 TO 25%. SO IT'S NOT A MASSIVE SAVINGS ON THE NUMBER, BUT IT IS PROBABLY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, UH, THAT WE COULD LOWER THAT, UM, COSTING OPERAT THE TOTAL. OKAY, LET'S GO DOWN TO THE FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE, WE PROBABLY WANT TO LIVE, UH, AND, AND WHERE THE MOST QUESTIONS WOULD BE. SO WE TOOK, UH, WE, WE HAD THE AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT, WHICH, UH, I'LL SAY THIS, THEY DID, THEY DID BETTER THAN MOST, UM, DO. UH, WE, WE GET A LOT OF, UH, GROUPS THAT COME TO US [00:15:01] THAT HAVE DONE THEIR OWN, UH, HOMEWORK. AND, UH, MOST ARE, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, WILDLY INACCURATE, BUT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THEY DO, UH, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, YOURS WAS NOT FAR OFF. IT WAS, UH, A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THE FRONT END. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOWED, UH, AN EBITDA DOWN THERE. UH, I'M ON PAGE NINE, BY THE WAY, AN EBITDA OF ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $700,000 IN YEAR ONE. UM, LEMME SAY A COUPLE THINGS, UH, IN 3,500 STUDIES OVER THE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW. UH, I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY SEVEN YEARS. UH, I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY FACILITY BUILT ANYWAY, UM, THAT DID $700,000 IN YEAR ONE. I'M ABOUT WRONG. EBITDA TYPICALLY SPORTS FACILITIES, UH, INCLUDING RACKET, FACILITIES, UM, RACKET FACILITIES, SOME OF THE BEST, BUT LESS THAN 5% HAVE A POSITIVE EBITDA IN YEAR ONE. UH, MANY OF 'EM NEVER HAVE ONE. UH, BUT, UH, THE FACT THAT THIS ONE HAS A POSITIVE EBITDA E IN OUR STUDY, IT HAS A POSITIVE EBITDA THAT GROWS WITH TIME. UM, PUTS THIS FACILITY IN, IN PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY THE TOP TWO AND A HALF TO 3% OF ALL FACILITIES WE'VE STUDIED AS FAR AS, UM, REVENUE, UH, BOTTOM LINE REVENUE, UH, POTENTIAL. SO, UH, WE LISTED THEIR AD HOC NUMBERS THERE. NOW, THIS IS NOT, UH, THE WAY THEY, UH, DO THINGS AND THE WAY WE DO THINGS OBVIOUSLY DO NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY. THEY DON'T HAVE OUR, UH, BREAKOUT. AND, AND SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF GUESSWORK ON SOME OF THEIR NUMBERS OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE APPLIED TRANSPARENTLY. ALL OF THE NUMBERS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, 10 OR $20,000 HERE OR THERE MAYBE SHOULD LINE UP SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT JUST WASN'T DOCUMENTED, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY ENOUGH THAT WE COULD BREAK IT OUT. SO, UM, NOT THAT THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. SO IN OUR NUMBERS, UM, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, IT'S MEANT TO COVER EVERY REVENUE STREAM POSSIBLE FOR THAT VENUE, UH, AND HOW WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE UTILIZATION OF IT TO MAXIMIZE THAT, UH, AND MAXIMIZE THE, THE GUARDRAILS THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY BRENTWOOD. UH, THEN LOOK, THIS IS A LOCAL USE FACILITY. PRIMARILY. THIS IS NOT A TOURNAMENT DRIVER. BRING IN OUTSIDE REVENUE TO ECONOMIC IMPACT AND DRIVE HOTEL STAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S NOT THE, THE, UM, NUMBER OF ASSETS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT. UH, A LITTLE BIT. TENNIS, DEFINITELY NOT IN PICKLEBALL. UM, SO IT IS A LOCAL USE FACILITY, PRIMARILY MEMBERSHIP BASED. UM, SO ALL THESE PROGRAMS ARE, ARE, ARE SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA. THE COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS WAS DONE, UH, PRICING WAS DONE BASED ON THE LOCAL MARKET. NONE OF THIS IS GENERIC INFORMATION. UM, SO, AND AGAIN, MANY LEVERS THAT COULD BE PULLED HERE OPERATIONALLY COULD TAKE CERTAIN PARTS UP OR DOWN. UH, BUT THIS IS JUST THE RECOMMENDED, UH, PROGRAM MODEL. SO, UH, THE REVENUE VERY CLOSE TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S NUMBER. UH, WE'RE AT 1.6 WHERE THEY'RE AT 1.78. UM, THE COST OF GOOD SOLDS IS REALLY, UH, JUST FOR YOUR, UH, EDIFICATION, JUST KNOWING THAT'S WHAT COST TO DRIVE THAT REVENUE UP TOP FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM, RIGHT? UH, IN OUR MODEL, UM, ANY, UM, ANY COST ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TO THOSE THINGS, LIKE IF WE WERE CONTRACTING FOR A TENNIS PROFESSIONAL OR WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE IN OUR COST OF GOODS. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES, UH, MIGHT BE TOO. SO, UM, BREAKING THAT DOWN, BASICALLY IT TELLS YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF WE'RE DRIVING $850,000 IN TENNIS PROGRAMS REVENUE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE $240,000 TO MAKE THAT 850,000 DIRECTLY TOWARD THAT PROGRAM. AND, UM, AND THAT'S BROKEN DOWN. AND EACH ONE OF THESE IS BROKEN DOWN ON ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL PAGE IN THE REPORT. SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE REVENUE'S FROM AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE FROM. THIS IS JUST THE SUMMARY, UH, OF IT ALL. UM, SO ON DOWN THROUGH THERE, YOU CAN THEN SEE, UH, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS IN EXPENSES, UH, AT THE BOTTOM THERE, UH, FACILITY EXPENSE OPERATING, EXPENSE MANAGEMENT, PAYROLL, UH, AND THEN PAYROLL TAXES, BENEFITS, BONUS, WHATEVER, UH, AS IN CALLED FRINGE, RIGHT? UM, IN THERE TOO. SO, UH, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS IN OPERATING EXPENSE. WAIT, CAN WE STOP A SECOND HERE? SURE, PLEASE. YEAH, IT SAYS ME RIGHT AFTER THAT. ANYWAY, THESE ARE AD HOC COMMITTEE NUMBERS. WHERE DO WE SEE YOUR NUMBERS? THE AD HOC COMMITTEE YOU'LL SEE UP AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS, IS THE FIRST COLUMN, THE YEAR ONE, OR ONES, OR OUR NUMBERS, OTHER ONE, THE OTHER ONES ARE YOURS. [00:20:01] IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. IT JUST SAYS AT THE TOP AD HOC COMMITTEE. THEN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO. SO YEAR ONE IS WHERE YOUR NUMBERS START REFLECTING. OKAY? YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MY APOLOGIES. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT. UH, WELL ENOUGH. UH, SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, SO YOU CAN COMPARE THEIR NUMBER WITH OUR NUMBER THERE IN YEAR ONE. UM, NOW OUR NUMBERS GET SIMILAR, UH, TO THEIR REVENUE OVER TIME, BUT, UM, BUT DEFINITELY NOT IN YEAR ONE. WE WOULD NOT EXPECT IT TO, UH, BRING THE EBITDA NUMBER YEAR ONE, UM, THAT IS IN, IN THEIR REPORT. SO LET ME, LET ME JUST PAUSE THERE SINCE THERE WAS A QUESTION. ANYWAY, SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN BREAK DOWN ANY PORTION OF THIS. THERE'S SEPARATE PAGES FOR EVERY REVENUE WITH THE COST OF GOODS ON IT, AND THERE'S SEPARATE PAGES FOR FACILITY EXPENSE, OPERATING MANAGEMENT, PAYROLL AND ALL THAT TOO IN YOUR REPORT. SO WE CAN, WE CAN JUMP TO ANY OF THOSE, UM, AS NEEDED. GREG, IF I CAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE EBITDA IS EARNINGS BEFORE INTEREST TAXES, DEPRECIATION, AND AMORTIZATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND SO FOR OUR PURPOSES, COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S REALLY NOT A BOTTOM LINE NUMBER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY CAPITAL RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT EITHER IN THE FORM OF DEPRECIATION OR LIKE A CONTRIBUTION TO A FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND FUND. SOME COCKTAIL NAPKIN MATH, WE WOULD NEED ABOUT $450,000 A YEAR IN ORDER TO PROPERLY SET ASIDE ENOUGH CAPITAL FOR FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF THE FACILITY OR A, A PORTION OF THE FACILITY AT ABOUT THE 25 YEAR MARK IF THESE NUMBERS COULD BE ANY SMALL. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I DO BELIEVE SPORTS FACILITIES ADVISORY HAS, HAS PREPARED SOME VERY SOBER NUMBERS, IF YOU WILL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EBITDA, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 10 YEAR FORECAST THAT THEY'VE GOT, YOU CAN SEE THEY DON'T HIT FOUR OR 50 UNTIL YEAR EIGHT. AND SO EVERYTHING PRIOR TO YEAR EIGHT, YOU'RE WE'RE BUILDING UP A DEFICIT. THAT DEFICIT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT $1.8 MILLION THAT WE BUILD UP THAT, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE UNTIL WE FINALLY START MAKING ENOUGH TO PUT ASIDE THE FULL COST OF RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THAT'S NOT CONSIDERING ANY ESCALATION FACTOR. UM, SO THANK YOU, GREG. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. NONE OF THESE EXPENSES INCLUDE NO, THAT'S EXCELLENT. EXCELLENT. NONE OF THESE EXPENSES INCLUDE INITIAL CAPITAL COST, LIKE THE BUSINESS WOULD PAY, LIKE A NORMAL OPERATION, LIKE WHETHER YOU'RE PAYING LEASE TO SOMEBODY WHO BUILT THE BUILDING FOR YOU, OR YOU BUILT THE BUILDING AND PAID FOR THE LAND AND ALL THAT. SO THERE'S SO NONE OF THIS EXPENSE THAT I CAN FIND ANYWHERE HAS ANY OF THAT CAPITAL COST. NO REPAYING CORRECT. THE INITIAL OUTLAY. SO YOU'VE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE EVEN WITH THESE REALLY GOOD REVENUE, OR EDI TDAS, YOU'RE STILL ONLY ABOUT $9.5 MILLION AFTER 20 YEARS. AND I WAS DOING THAT IN MY HEAD REAL QUICK, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AROUND 9.5 MILLION IN 20 YEARS IS ALL, AND THAT'S BEFORE ALL CAPITAL EXPENSES, PLACING A ROOF, REPLACING STUFF THAT HAPPENS, HVAC UNITS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. NONE OF THAT'S INCLUDED. GREG, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER LITTLE? I'M SORRY, I WASN'T, I WASN'T. HE WAS BASICALLY REFERENCING THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE OPERATING NUMBERS AND THE OPERATING NUMBERS DO NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, IN ESSENCE, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING. NO, THEY DON'T. AND OUR, AS A GENERAL RULE, UM, A VERY REAL RULE, UM, ANY SPORTS, UH, ASSET OR OR ENTERTAINER ASSET WILL NOT GENERATE THE KIND OF REVENUE THAT HAS TO PAY DEBT SERVICE AS WELL. THE, WHAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR MOST TIMES IS OPERATIONAL, UM, BREAK EVEN. UH, OBVIOUSLY YOURS DOES MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. UH, BUT NO, WE, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND, UH, GENERALLY SPORTS COMPLEX IS BEING BUILT, UH, TO TRY AND SERVICE DEBT AS WELL. OKAY, GREG, YOU, YOU WERE GETTING READY TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT OPERATING EXPENSES AND THEN WE KIND OF GOT CONVERTED THERE, I THOUGHT, WHERE THE AD HOCS AT 23,000, YOURS IS FOUR 12? YES. LET'S, UH, LET'S, LET ME FIND WHAT PAGE THAT'S ON REAL QUICK. LEMME SKIP DOWN HERE IN MY STUFF, AND WE CAN SKIP OVER TO THAT AND LOOK AT IT. UM, NINE, OH GEEZ, LEMME GET, IT'S ON PAGE NINE. PAGE PAGE 25 IS OPERATING EXPENSES. [00:25:05] SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, LIKE THINGS THAT GET LEFT OUT A LOT. THE BANK SERVICE CHARGES ARE JUST, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY PAYS WITH A CREDIT CARD, THERE'S A CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEE THAT YOU'RE PAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UH, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING IS TYPICALLY NOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, USE. IT SEEMS TO BE LARGER THOUGH, YEAR ONE UPON LAUNCH. AND THEN CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND, AND GO, AS EVERYTHING DOES OVER TIME. UH, INSURANCE, PRO GENERAL, PROPERTY LIABILITY, WHATEVER THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE ADJUSTED BY YOUR RATE, THAT'S, AND THAT'S FINE. BUT, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OFFICE SUPPLIES, EMPLOYEE UNIFORMS, ALL THAT. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN ALLOCATION THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OUT. THAT IS NATIONAL MANAGEMENT MARKETING SERVICES. THAT IS AN OUTSOURCED COMPANY, WHETHER OURS ARE ANOTHER ONE, AN OUTSOURCED COMPANY DOING THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS VENUE, DRIVING ALL THE REVENUE, UH, AND PRODUCING THE BOTTOM LINE. UM, SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE, UH, WHERE IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT THERE, WHICH IS FINE, TOTALLY YOUR DECISION, OBVIOUSLY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A GREATER NUMBER. WE WOULD ESTIMATE A GREATER NUMBER IN, UH, PRI AND YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THE, THE FRINGE AND OTHER COST OF WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO OPERATE THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IN ONE PLACE VERSUS IN ANOTHER, UH, KIND OF THING, IF YOU WILL, UH, ON SOME OF THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PUT IN QUOTE, OPERATING EXPENSES. AND JUST TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE THE PAGE BEFORE IS LABELED FACILITY EXPENSES, WHERE THAT, THAT'S FOR UTILITIES, JANITORIAL, SAFETY, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. ALARM SYSTEM, ALL THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THERE IS MORE OF FACILITY EXPENSE. AND THEN THE OPERATING EXPENSES, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, UH, WITHIN THE FACILITY, ESSENTIALLY. GREG, THIS IS JASON, UH, CITY MANAGER. YOU HAVE ABOUT FOUR MINUTES LEFT. I WANTED TO SEE, I KNOW YOU'VE HIT THE, THE, THE MEAT AND THE REST OF IT SUPPORTING INFORMATION. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION AND THEN, UH, WANT TO TRY TO BE SURE WE HAVE TIME FOR ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO GET OFF THE PHONE? SURE. NOW, I MEAN, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FARTHER OUT YOU GO, OBVIOUSLY THE LESS ACCURATE YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE, RIGHT. BUT ON PAGE 10, WE LIKE TO SHOW WHAT WE WOULD FORESEE BASED ON ESCALATION USAGE, PARTICIPATION TRENDS THAT WE KNOW OF NOW, UM, AS THEY TREND AND WE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, LEVEL, YOU PICKLEBALL WON'T GROW AT THE RATE IT'S GROWING RIGHT NOW. IT CAN'T. UM, BUT, UH, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING AWAY. PICKLE BALL'S HERE TO STAY. UM, BUT IT, THAT PAGE SHOWS YOU KIND OF A PROJECTED 20 YEAR LOAD THAT GETS THE EBITDA NUMBER UP IN THAT, WELL, ACTUALLY IT TAKES 20 YEARS TO GET TO, UH, IT TAKES, WELL, LET'S SEE, IT TAKES 15 YEARS TO GET TO THE AD HOC, UH, EBITDA NUMBER, UH, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S 700, I THINK IT'S 15 SEVEN, 14,000, BUT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU, THERE'S A GROWTH PATTERN THERE. THERE'S GREAT REVENUE POTENTIAL, BUT AGAIN, NO, NO SPORTS ASSET, UH, TYPICALLY WOULD PAY DEBT SERVICE AS WELL. SO CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS GOOD, UH, INFORMATION, NOT SLANTED, UH, ANYWAY, WHETHER IT IS BUILDING IT OR NOT BUILDING IT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST SOME INDEPENDENT INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. AND ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION, JUST WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, AND YOU MENTIONED HOW, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME THINGS CAN CHANGE. UH, DOES THIS STUDY HAVE ANY VIEW INTO THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT, OR IS THIS JUST, JUST SPECIFICALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS IN ISOLATION? AND I, I ASK JUST IN THE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A PRIVATE PICKLEBALL FACILITY COMING ONLINE THIS SUMMER HERE IN, IN TOWN. YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD ABOUT A TENNIS FACILITY COMING ONLINE ON HIGHWAY 96 AND FRANKLIN, I KNOW THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT KIND OF EVOLVES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF LOOKING AT THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE, OR IF YOU JUST HAVE STANDARD ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE MARKET AND EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT OR HOW, HOW YOU HANDLE THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THIS LOOK IS AS OF WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, UH, OR, OR WHEN THE, WHEN THE, UH, STUDY WAS FINALIZED A WEEK OR TWO AGO, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT SO WE DO A CURRENT COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS. UM, WE DON'T FACTOR IN FACILITIES THAT HAVE ANNOUNCED THEY'RE COMING BECAUSE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. UM, MANY THINGS CAUSE THOSE NOT TO COME TO FRUITION NECESSARILY. SOME, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY THAT THESE WON'T, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA FACTOR 'EM IN UNLESS THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT AND OPERATED. THAT SAID, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS AND I, I, I WILL, UH, BE, UM, UH, BRAGGING ON MY, MY ORGANIZATION. I DIDN'T BUILD IT, BUT I CAN BRAG [00:30:01] ON 'EM. UM, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING THAT WORKS, SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE IT, RIGHT? UM, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY. IT'S NOT, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. UM, AND WE AGAIN, UH, OPERATE THAT THE BEST AND HIGHEST PERFORMING VENUES, UH, IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO I THINK WE'D BE VERY CONFIDENT IN THE FACILITY YOU'VE LAID OUT. NOW, THE QUALITY OF THAT AND KNOWING THE, UM, CONNECTIVITY WE BRING TO THAT, ALL, ALL THE PIECES YOU'D HAVE THE RIGHT PARTNERSHIP TO, TO STAND UP AGAINST WHATEVER'S COMING. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO CUSTOMER SERVICE. IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD IT IS ONE THING TO MAINTAIN IT AND OPERATE IT AT EXCELLENCE LEVEL IS ANOTHER. BUT YOU'VE LAID OUT HERE WHAT I WOULD DEEM, UM, A WORLD CLASS FACILITY AND PLAN. UH, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL THAT WAY. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT. UM, BUT I THINK THIS ONE IS TO STAND UP AGAINST WHATEVER, UH, MAY COME, BUT, BUT NO, IN 20 YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE YEAR 20, OBVIOUSLY WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S COMING, UH, IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS. OTHER QUESTIONS? GOOD JOB, GREG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, YEAH, GREG, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US DIVE INTO THE NUMBERS AND PRESENT THOSE. AND HAPPY TO HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. JUST PLEASE USE US AS A RESOURCE. WILL DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GREG. ALL RIGHT. BEST TO YOU GUYS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. SEE YOU. OKAY. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, NOW MIGHT BE A TIME IF YOU WANT TO, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, THE FUTURE OF A FACILITY, OR WE COULD MOVE THAT TO A DIFFERENT DATE. IF YOU WANNA THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AFTER YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROFORMA INFORMATION, IT'S REALLY KIND UP TO YOU. WELL, I, I DON'T SEE ONE JUMPING IN TO TALK ABOUT IT. WOULD Y'ALL LIKE US TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DIGEST THIS AND TIME TODAY? MAYBE COME BACK? WELL, SINCE WE JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING, I'D LIKE TO READ IT BEFORE I HAVE ANY PRONOUNCEMENTS ON IT. OKAY. WE'LL NEED TO PUT IT UNDER OUR MICROSCOPE SO THAT WE CAN READ. IT'S SMALL. SO MAYBE NUMBERS I'VE SEEN SO THAT EVERYONE'S JUST MAYBE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT BRIEFING. IS THAT, SEE NODDING HEADS. OKAY. BRIEF CAN COME. ALRIGHT. CAN YOU SWITCH THIS OVER PLEASE? SOME MODEL SWITCHING. JUST A QUESTION. IS THIS INFORMATION PUBLIC? LIKE IF PEOPLE ASK US YES, IT WOULD BE PUBLIC. OKAY. AND WE'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE IF PEOPLE WANNA, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN, WE CAN POST IT THERE. OKAY. I MEAN, BECAUSE I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WOULD WE ADD IT TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE PAGE, OR WOULD BE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE PAGE ON THIS PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY ON THE WEBSITE, POST THIS AS A PDF, AS, UH, AS AN ADDITION TO THAT PAGE, OR, OR WE PASS THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE PAGE WHERE WE NEED TO RENAME IT, OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE CLEAR? WE, WE'LL TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE WAY IT'S FRAMED UP NOW. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THERE AND, AND WE WILL PACKAGE IT SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. JUST SO IF SOMEONE'S LOOKING FORWARD SO THEY CAN FIND IT. YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE, AFTER, I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE AGENDA REAL QUICK. WE HAVE A COUPLE, I THINK, UH, THAT'S THAT I'M MAYOR CHARLES AND YOU CAUGHT ALL THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'RE GONNA PUT REPORT ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE AGENDA PRETTY QUICKLY. PLEASE STOP ME IF I GET AHEAD OF YOU A LITTLE BIT HERE. SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE TYPICAL, THEN WE HAVE BOTH OF OFFICE FOR FIREFIGHTER WESLEY PRUITT, THE OATH FOR POLICE OFFICER AARON DUNN, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BADGE PENDING CEREMONY FOR LIEUTENANT LORI RUSS AND, UH, SERGEANT SETH WHITT. SO WE HAVE THOSE THAT'S, THOSE ARE NICE. VERY NICE. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THESE TOWARDS THE END WHEN YOU HAVE ACTION ITEMS. BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE OR BUDGET ORDINANCE, A PUBLIC HEARING ON ESTABLISHING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, FOR THE CITY, AND A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM FOR THE YEAR'S 2026 TO 2030. SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK. AND THEN THOSE WILL COME BACK AGAIN TOWARDS THE, THE BACK END OF YOUR AGENDA. UM, OKAY. UH, AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL ITEMS, APPROVAL OR CORRECTION OF THE MINUTES, COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS, REPORTS FROM THE MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND, AND, AND YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE RIGHT PAGE HERE. [00:35:05] OKAY. THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS JUST ACCEPTANCE OF CERTAIN STREETS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AS PUBLIC STREETS. AND, UH, THIS IS THE LIST, UH, WE HAVE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE NEW, TYPICALLY NEW SUBDIVISION STREETS BEING ACCEPTED WHEN THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED. UH, BEEN FULLY INSPECTED, UH, BY OUR FOLKS TO DETERMINE THAT THEY MEET ALL YOUR REQUIREMENTS AND YOU WOULD TYPICALLY ACCEPT THEM. UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, IT LISTS THE NAMES OF THE STREETS. IT LISTS, UH, FROM WHERE TO WHERE THE LENGTH, UH, IT GIVES YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THERE'S A COST PER FOOT. UH, YOU HAVE THE, UH, ROADWAY, DRAINAGE, AND LIGHTING COSTS AS WELL. SO THAT COST IS, IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. AND THEN THE, ON THE LIGHTING COLUMN, IT'S JUST A NUMBER OF STREET LIGHTS. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S REFERENCING. SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. UH, VERY ROUTINE. ANY QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE ON? NO. THERE, THERE ARE NO STAFF CONCERNS WITH ANY OF THESE ACCEPTANCES. JUST SO YOU KNOW. UH, THE ITEM TWO RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AMENDMENT WITH THE STATE OF TENNESSEE FOR TENNESSEE LAW ENFORCEMENT HIRING, TRAINING AND RECRUITMENT PROGRAM. UM, ON THIS ONE, UH, YOU, UH, HAD PASSED ON 23, A RESOLUTION ENTERED TO A GRANT CONTRACT, THE STATE OF TENNESSEE FOR THE, UH, ACADEMY CADET RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION PROGRAM. AND SO THAT PROVIDES THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD WITH FREE TUITION FOR EVERY POLICE OFFICER WHO GRADUATES FROM THE PROGRAM, ALONG WITH $5,000 PER OFFICER TO ASSIST AND CONTINUING THE COST OF TRAINING SUCH IS REALLY A GOOD THING OF TRAINING AFTER THAT. SO, UM, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO EXTEND THE TERM FOR 12 MONTHS. UM, AND IT ALSO ADDRESSES OFFICER ELIGIBILITY. IT HAS SORT OF A CUTOFF DATE, UM, FOR THE OFFICER. IT SAYS OFFICERS HIRED BETWEEN MAY 1ST AND MARCH 19TH THROUGH 26TH WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THE BONUS PAYMENTS UNDER THE GRANT. UH, THE CUTOFF DATE WILL GUARANTEE THAT EVERY OFFICER REACHES A LONGEVITY MILESTONE, INCLUDING THE 36 MONTH LONGEVITY TIMEFRAME DURING THE CONTRACT'S TERM WILL RECEIVE THE PROPER BONUS PAYMENTS. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? YOU'VE, YOU'VE UTILIZED THIS BEFORE. OKAY. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN ALTERATION TO, UH, THE OS UH, RD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE EASTMAN'S PRESERVE SUBDIVISION GIVES YOU A KIND OF A, A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE THAT'S AT. IS DOWN ON SOUTH, UH, FRANKLIN. AND, UH, IT'S SOUTH OF CONCORD. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THAT, THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE. IT, IT MODIFIES THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENCING. THE PRIMARY ITEM IS THE FENCING AROUND THE EXISTING CEMETERY. THE PLAN BELIEVE SHOWED FENCING, UH, COMPLETELY AROUND THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TYPICAL TO SEEING. UH, THIS PROPOSAL CREATES A MORE OPEN YET DEFINED SPACE INCLUDES, I'LL SHOW YOU, LEMME TAKE YOU IN HERE. THERE'S ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT SUBDIVISION, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW IT'S LAID OUT. YOU WILL SEE I GET USED TO, THERE IT IS, RIGHT HERE IN THAT SQUARE. THAT'S WHERE THE, THE SMALL CEMETERY IS LOCATED. GIVES YOU AN IDEA THERE. SO WE'LL KIND OF GO IN A LITTLE CLOSER. UM, JUST A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION. YES. ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE SQUARE INTERSECTS SOMEBODY'S PARCEL, BUT THAT SQUARE IS JUST A VISUAL. THAT'S NOT AN ACTUAL YEAH. THE DOTTED SQUARE, I BELIEVE IS, IS JUST AN AT VISUAL. YOU'LL SEE IT, YOU WILL, YOU KIND OF SEE WITHIN THE SQUARE THE PARAMETERS OF THAT. AND WE'LL, WE'LL ZOOM INTO THAT AS WELL. SO THERE'S NO OVERLAP BETWEEN THE CEMETERIES? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY CONFLICTS. I, I WANT, THEY CAME TO OUR HISTORIC BOARD FRIDAY. THEY HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. THERE ARE TWO IDENTIFIED GRAVES THERE, AND ONE IS A REVOLUTIONARY WAR SOLDIER, WHICH OF COURSE TIES IN WITH THE 250TH CELEBRATION. BUT THEY WORKED TO IDENTIFY, NOW THERE ARE NO STONES, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY LIKE 29 OTHER GRAVES OUT THERE. AND SO THEY'RE PRESERVING THOSE AND, AND THEY REALLY DON'T. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A NICE SEMI STONE FENCE SEMI BUSHES. YES. SO IT'LL LOOK REALLY NICE AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD TO WORK WITH. YEAH. AND THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA. DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE AN ELEVATION. COLORED ELEVATION SHOWS THE NICE COLUMNS, FENCES, TREES, THE ENTRANCE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN, YOU'LL SEE A LAYOUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IN THE CENTER OF EACH OF THOSE LINES, FOR THE MOST PART IN THE CENTER, YOU'LL SEE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER LANDSCAPING. SO THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS A LOT NICER, UH, THAN THE TRADITIONAL, UH, HELPS YOU A LITTLE BIT. JUST SHOWS KIND OF THE, THE ACCESS FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC AREA IN THE SIDEWALK OUT. UM, LET ME TAKE YOU, UH, IT'S ANOTHER VIEW TAKES YOU A LITTLE FURTHER IN. AGAIN, SAME GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT, SORT OF ZOOMS IN ON IT. BUSHES AND TREES, NICE LANDSCAPING. AND THEN THE, UH, VISUAL BOUNDARIES. AND, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A GOOD JOB OF VETTING THIS AND ASKING ABOUT IT. [00:40:01] THERE AREN'T ANY CONCERNS ABOUT VANDALISM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD OCCUR. THEY, THEY'RE CONFIDENT THAT CAN BE HONORED. UH, THAT'S THE ONE SUSPECTED. YEAH. THIS, THIS IS A GOOD, THIS SHOWS YOU CERTAIN DEPRESSIONS AND IT SHOWS YOU AND, WELL, I, I'VE GOT ANOTHER CLOSEUP OF THE ACTUAL STONES. THERE AREN'T MANY STONES IN THE ACTUAL AREA, BUT THAT'S THE, THE, UH, LIMITS OF THE AREA THAT IN ESSENCE WOULD, WOULD MAKE UP THE CEMETERY. UM, COUPLE STONE EXAMPLES RIGHT THERE. GIVES YOU A GOOD, UH, VIEW OF THE, UH, JUST THE LAND ITSELF. SO BACK UP TO THAT ONE. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND JUST LIKE ANY CONCRETE SPACE THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOA INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. OKAY. ITEM FOUR, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ROSEBROOK SUBDIVISION. THIS ONE IS, UH, THERE SHOWS YOU THE ROSEBROOK, WHICH HAS MULTIPLE, UH, PHASES TO IT. PIECES TO IT. UM, THIS IS A REALLY SIMPLE ONE. WE'RE GONNA ZOOM IN HERE. THE, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS HERE. THERE'S THE ADDITION OF A FOUR FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK CONNECTING THE EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT TRAIL AND THE AMENITY AREA. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HIGHLIGHTED THERE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO MY FAULT. WRONG BUTTON. HERE WE GO. RIGHT IN THERE. THERE'S A CONNECTION. THAT'S REALLY IT. UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ARE, ARE, UH, LIKE THIS ARE FAIRLY SIMPLE MINOR CHANGES, BUT BECAUSE THEY DO AFFECT THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE SUBDIVISION AS APPROVED, IT CAUSES IT TO COME BACK. SO JUST A SIDEWALK CONNECTION HERE. UM, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S, UH, ALSO REVISING THE ENTRY LANDSCAPING AND MONUMENTS ALONG SPLIT LOG ROAD. THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA RIGHT THERE. THAT'S A GOOD GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS WHAT THE ENTRANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S GONNA BE VERY NICE. THAT'S REALLY IT WITH THIS ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS? SO THERE'S A LARGER EXAMPLE OF THE SAME THING THAT SHOWS YOU THE SIGN NUMBER FIVE, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND ALTERATION TO THE OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ROSE BROOKS SOUTH SUBDIVISION FOR ADOPTION. UM, THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA GEOGRAPHICALLY, AGAIN, A SIMILAR, UH, GRAPHIC AS BEFORE. UM, LET'S GET IN A LITTLE CLOSER. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS, IS IT, IT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBER OF LOTS WITHIN THE PROJECT REMAINS UNCHANGED. THERE AREN'T ANY, UH, CHANGES, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE. THERE ARE FOUR SECTIONS IN THIS SUBDIVISION SECTION. ONE, UH, ONLY INCLUDES, UH, 1.65 ACRE OPEN SPACE TRACK TO SERVE AS AN AMENITY AREA. SO IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE MAP, I'M GONNA HIGH, I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT HERE AT THE TOP RIGHT, THERE'S THE AMENITY AREA. NOW, THEY ALSO ARE GOING TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT THE BOTTOM, AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE. BUT THE, THE MAIN FOCUS IS THE AMENITY AREA. AND SO THAT WILL INCLUDE, UH, RIGHT THERE YOU CAN SEE A LARGER GRAPHIC INCLUDE A COUPLE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURT, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL PICKLEBALL COURTS, UH, ONE PARKING LOT, NINE PARKING SPACES, AND THREE GOLF CART SPACES, 160 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE OF THE BENCHES TWO. UH, AND THEN AT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, I'LL STILL STOP THERE AND SEE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S THE AMEN AT THE AREA, AND AGAIN, WELL VETTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THE ISSUE CAME UP ON PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THE LOTS, NONE OF THE SURROUNDING LOTS HAVE BEEN SOLD YET. BUT THERE'LL BE SIGNAGE UP NOW, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL. AND THEN I THINK THEY'RE HAVING A PARADE HERE, WHATEVER. BUT SIGNAGE UP THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE FUTURE PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS SO THAT PEOPLE BUYING AROUND THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT IN OUR, UH, DID THAT MAKE IT THROUGH TO YOU GUYS? TODD? IS THAT OFFICIALLY IN THE, THE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BUY A LOT NEARBY WOULD KNOW THAT? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT THE DEVELOPER ASSURED US THAT IT WOULD BE IN HIS ADVERTISING BROCHURES AND THEY WOULD MAKE IT AWARE. MAKE EVERYONE AWARE. YEAH. TODD, WHAT'S THE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE TIMING OF THIS? WOULD THIS ACTUALLY BE IN FRONT, WOULD BE AHEAD OF ANY DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO IT? AND IF SO, OF COURSE THEY WOULD SEE WHAT'S THERE. IT WILL, UM, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST SECTION. UM, HOWEVER, YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT NORTH, YOU'VE GOT LOT, LOTS NORTH THAT ARE PART OF ROSEBROOK, MAINE. MM-HMM . UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOLD AS THIS IS BEING CONSTRUCTED OR, OR SOONER. OKAY. YOU'LL SEE ALSO THERE'S AN ADJACENT STREET. AND ON HERE, UH, YOU SEE THE, A BOUNDARY THERE. SO THE STREET OBVIOUSLY WILL CONNECT BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISIONS, THE, THE PHASES OF THE SUBDIVISION. AND THAT WILL ALLOW, THE, THE INTENT IS ALSO TO ALLOW ALL THOSE IN THE, AND ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS TO UTILIZE THE AMENITIES. WELL. SO MOVING AWAY FROM DOING POOLS AND MORE TO THESE TYPES OF COURTS NOW AS AMENITIES HAVE, HAVE WE NOTICED ANY TREND THAT [00:45:01] WAY? NO. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'VE SEEN ON THE PLANNING THAT HAD PICKLEBALL COURTS AND, AND TENNIS COURTS COME IN AND IT'S, THEY WANT TO BUILD IT BEFORE THEY OPEN UP THE, THE NEXT SECTION SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTHERN SECTION WOULD, WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT. OH, OKAY. THERE'S A RATE OF HOMES SCHEDULED, RIGHT? YES. SO NICE. I REMEMBER THE DATES OF THAT. I THINK WELL APPRECIATE LAND COMMISSION THINKING ABOUT THAT AND KIND CATCHING. SO THIS, SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT HOW NOISY PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE SO YOU WOULDN'T WIN IN THE HOUSE NEXT. YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO HAVE A CENTRALIZED AREA RATHER THAN MULTIPLE ONES. BUT WE'LL SEE. THIS'LL BE A, A GOOD TEST OF THAT. THIS IS A GOOD, UH, UH, UH, GRAPHIC ON THE ENTRANCE. AND FOR THE ENTRANCE, THEY'RE GONNA ADD A COUPLE STONE COLUMNS AT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE. UM, AND THAT, AND, AND ADDRESS IT UP WITH SOME LANDSCAPING. SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY IT. THE MAIN PIECE IS ACTUALLY THE COMMON AREA. ANY, GO BACK TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THEY ARE ADDING THOSE BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT FIRST SECTION THAT'S ALREADY BEING BUILT HAVE ALREADY INQUIRED ABOUT BUILDING PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS. OH, THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN YARD. SO THEY, YOU'LL SEE WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT BACKYARD. WHEN'S THE NOISE? YEAH. YEAH. ONE RECOMMENDATION I COULD MAKE, MAYBE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BRING TO THE DEVELOPER'S ATTENTION AS THEY'RE SETTING UP THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS AND THE OPERATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AMENITIES PERHAPS REQUIRING FOR THOSE WHO WILL BE USING THOSE PICKLEBALL FACILITIES TO USE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE US PICKLEBALL ASSOCIATION QUIET CATEGORY. THERE'S A SPECIAL LINE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED THAT IS DESIGNED TO TAMP DOWN ON THE NOISE THAT AGGRAVATES PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS SO MUCH. UM, AND IF JUST FROM THE GET GO, IF EVERYBODY KNEW, LOOK, IF YOU'RE GONNA PLAY HERE, YOU'VE GOTTA USE THIS CATEGORY OF EQUIPMENT THAT HELPS REDUCE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THESE SIGNS UP AND THERE'S CAVEAT MTOR, BUYER BEWARE. SOMEBODY BUYS A LOT THAT DOESN'T KEEP 'EM FROM COMPLAINING TO US AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THERE'S PICKLEBALL NOISE. JAY DOES THAT, DOES THAT CATEGORY INCLUDE YELLING AFTER YOU'VE LO LOST THE GAME? ? I HAVE A QUESTION. 'CAUSE I DON'T PLAY PICKLEBALL. IS IT WHEN YOU HIT THE BALL? THAT IS THE NOISE OR WHEN IT HITS THE IT'S THE CORD. WHEN YOU, IT'S THE PADDLE TO THE BALL. WELL, HOW DO YOU IT WHEN YOU WHAT? IT'S THE PADDLE TO THE BALL. IT IS THE HITTING OF THE BALL AND IT'S THE OKAY, THAT'S THE NOISE. NOT WHEN IT IS. OKAY. SO THERE COULD BE EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT. THERE IS, IT'S KINDA WOODEN NOW. OKAY. SOLID. THERE IS SOME NOISE WHEN IT HITS AS WELL, BUT YEAH. BUT YEAH. BUT YOU MIGHT CAN DIMINISH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN START TELLING PEOPLE WHAT KINDA STUFF THEY HAVE TO BUY. MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T, BUT THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY DOES. WELL. YEAH. YEAH. LET THEM DO THAT. SO THAT'S NOT A CODE THAT'S HOA RULE. IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION YEAH. TO THE HOA TO PUT THAT IN IT. YES. SO WE'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THE HOA WOULD NEED TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO OR NOT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. IF THEY WANT TO OR NOT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SEPARATE. THE HOMES IS OCTOBER 4TH THROUGH THE 19TH. ALRIGHT. ITEM SIX, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE INFLOW DESIGN GROUP FOR ENGINEERING, CONSULTING OR CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS IS A RENEWING AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, IDG, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF, OF OF ACTIVITIES. UH, PREPARATION OF THE, UH, ANNUAL, UH, WATER LOSS REPORT, ASSISTANCE WITH LEAD AND COPPER RULES, SYSTEM RISK AND RESILIENCY. SO THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT HELP THE WATER DEPARTMENT. UM, THEY HAD, UH, HISTORICALLY, WELL CURRENTLY THE PROJECT ENGINEER OVERSEEING COMPLETION OF THE EMERGENCY GENERATORS UPGRADE. SO WE'VE USED THEM BEFORE AND IT'S A RENEWAL. UM, LET'S SEE. ANY OTHER HIGHLIGHTS? UH, WE USED THEM SINCE, UH, 2020 AGREEMENT EXPIRED IN 2020. APRIL, 2025 OF THIS YEAR. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS RENEWAL IS FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR WITH UP TO TWO ANNUAL RENEWAL YEARS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? PRETTY, AGAIN, PRETTY ROUTINE. ALRIGHT, ITEM SEVEN, STORMWATER SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE ARE ALL SIMILAR THERE. SO I'LL COVER, I'LL SORT OF COVER 'EM WITH THREE DIFFERENT, UH, ENGINEERING FIRMS. UH, WHAT THEY ARE IS THERE ARE, UH, ON-CALL CONTRACT, WHICH IS LIKE A PRE-QUALIFIED LIST THAT WE CAN USE FOR A VARIETY OF SERVICES, UH, IN OUR ENGINEERING. SO, UH, THIS IS FOR, THEY'RE ALL FOR, UH, CITYWIDE, UH, DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN TYPE PROJECTS. UH, THE STUDY FOR THE, UH, DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN WAS COMPLETED IN 23. UM, THE CITY'S WE'RE FOCUSING NOW ON, UH, IMPLEMENTING THREE OF THE PROJECTS. UM, SO, UH, IN YOUR, IN YOUR REPORT, YOU'LL SHOW US WHAT THOSE THREE PROJECTS ARE. I DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, BUT, UH, WE ISSUED REQUESTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR FIRMS TO BE INCLUDED AS AN ON-CALL FIRM. UH, THEY, UH, THE DEPARTMENT IDENTIFIED THREE ENGINEERING FIRMS. AND SO YOU HAVE, UH, THIS FIRM, WHICH IS, UH, NEIL SCHAFER. [00:50:01] AND THE NEXT ONE, UH, IS FOR THE SIMILAR SERVICES. AND IT'S FROM, UH, RUMMEL, PEPPER AND, AND CAL. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS WITH KIMLEY HOR AND ASSOCIATES. SO THEY'RE ALL THREE SIMILAR, UH, FOR THE SIMILAR ASPECTS HERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? UM, JASON, THE, THE NEIL SCHAFER, UM, MASTER STUDY, IS THAT AVAILABLE TO SHARE WITH RESIDENTS IF THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT THE UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S ON OUR STORMWATER PORTION OF THE WEBSITE. YES. OKAY. IT'S OUT THERE. YEAH. SOME GOOD LATE NIGHT READING . WELL, AS, AS YOU GUESS, WHAT DO WE GET, LIKE FIVE INCHES OF RAIN ON TUESDAY? ON TUESDAY? YEAH. SO I'VE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKED. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'LL OFTEN TELL PEOPLE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH AND SEE, UH, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FOR THE SAKE OF LOOKING AT IT, IT'LL PUT YOU TO SLEEP. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, IT'LL JUMP OFF THE PAGE. YEAH. WHEN YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN, THAT'LL JUMP OFF THE PAGE. OKAY. SO ITEM 10 IS A PURCHASE OF NILE ACCESS SERVICES, UH, FOR CITY HALL LIBRARY. UH, FROM WORLDWIDE TECHNOLOGIES. IT'S A, UM, SERVICE THAT HELPS US, UH, WITH OUR SWITCHES OR WIFI ACCESS POINTS PROVIDED BY NILE. IT'S AN ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION. AGAIN, IT'S A FAIRLY ROUTINE ITEM. THE COST IS, UH, $67,184 AND 64 CENTS FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. UM, LET'S SEE, IT'S BEING PURCHASED UNDER THE OMNIA PURCHASING COOPERATIVE. SO AGAIN, LEVERAGED, UH, PURCHASING TO GET THE BEST DEAL. LOT TO THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? SAME THING WITH THIS ONE. UPDATED WINDOWS 11 LICENSES. UH, OURS, THE LTSC ARE ALSO HAVE ENHANCED STABILITY SECURITY ASPECTS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT AT HOME. UM, AND SO AGAIN, THIS JUST UPDATES US. IT'S THROUGH THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, UH, AND ASPO VALUE POINT SOFTWARE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING ADDENDUM. UH, SO AGAIN, A PURCHASING COOPERATIVE, UH, $19,309 FOR THOSE LICENSES. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? WE HAVE ON ITEM 12 PURCHASE, UH, BRU RENEWAL FROM PRESIDIO. UH, THIS IS SOFTWARE SPECIFIC TO IMPROVE CYBERSECURITY MEASURES AND THAT'S IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, BECOME A PRETTY BIG DEAL. AND IT WILL BE A BIG DEAL PROBABLY IN PERPETUITY AS INTERCONNECTED AS WE, UH, IT'S A THREE YEAR QUOTE FOR $99,447 AND 16 CENTS FOR THE FIRST YEAR IN A FIXED PRICE OF $85,239 AND 86 CENTS FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD YEARS. UH, THE SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE FROM INSIGHT BY WAY OF A PURCHASING COOPERATIVE, BUT IS ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE IT FROM PRESIDIO. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE WAIVE THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING AND AUTHORIZE A PURCHASE FROM PRESIDIO BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT'S THE MOST COM COMPETITIVE, UH, COST. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. OLD BUSINESS. WELL, BUSINESS. UM, WE HAVE AN APPRO, WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, UH, YOUR BUDGET ORDINANCE. AND SO, UH, JAY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A FULL, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. WE DID THAT. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME. 'CAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME FOR YOU TO, TO TAKE OUTTA THE DAY TO DO THAT. AND SO, UH, WE TOOK YOU THROUGH THAT. WE'LL GET THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT IN THE MEETING. UH, FOR, FOR THERE WERE NO HIGHLIGHTS, , WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO HA CREATE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE DETAIL. BUT, UH, FOR THE, FOR YOUR FORMAL MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'LL HAVE JAY GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY LEFT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AND THOSE WILL HOPEFULLY WILL BE HELPFUL FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE TAX RATE. AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING, YOUR ACTUAL RATE WILL GO FROM, I BELIEVE POINT ROUGHLY OR ESTIMATED TAKEN OFF THE EXTRA DIGITS OF 0.29, UH, TO A RATE OF POINT 19. UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE ON THE ALL EXISTING PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT, UH, ACCEPTING OR COLLECTING ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE. NOW THAT'S AN AVERAGE, THAT'S GONNA BE AN AVERAGE. AND SO ONE OF THE POINTS YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR REPORT IS, IS THAT IF SOMEONE HAD A PROPERTY THAT GREW MORE THAN THE AVERAGE, WHICH IS 50.5, UH, FIVE 9%, THEY COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT. IF SOMEONE HAD A PROPERTY THAT GREW LOWER THAN THAT, IT COULD BE LESS THAN THAT. BUT ON AVERAGE IT SHOULD BE EQUAL. AND, AND SO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE AVERAGES AS YOU SET THAT RATE. AND SO AGAIN, THAT APPROACH MEANS THAT ON THE AVERAGE, YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY ADDITIONAL TAX DOLLARS FROM EXISTING PROPERTIES IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT TAX RATE, BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE THE VALUES GO UP, THAT MEANS THE RATE HAS TO GO DOWN. SO FROM 0.29 TO 0.19. SO ON, UM, ON MONDAY, I'M, I'M SURE COMMISSIONERS WILL COMMENT ON OUR TRACK RECORD OF, OF HOLDING FIRM ON TAX RATES AND, AND HAVE VARIOUS, UM, PERSPECTIVES ON THAT. BUT WITH, AS YOU TEE THIS UP, WOULD [00:55:01] YOU MIND JUST MAKING A, A COMMENT ON THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE, THE WELL, THE WAY THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE IS QUALIFIED? YEAH, YOU'LL COVER THAT AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT. IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE AS LONG AS YOUR SALES TAX GROWS WITH, WITH YOU. AND THATS KEY, AS LONG AS THAT HAPPENS. LITTLE DETAILS, BUT YEAH. BUT, BUT FOR NOW IT'S GOOD JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT ABOUT IT. AND WE MENTIONED IT LAST MEETING I MENTIONED THIS MORNING, BUT I THINK SOME RESIDENTS NEED TO HEAR IT A COUPLE TIMES AT THE END. I DO POINT OUR HOUSE REALLY WENT UP, SO DID OUR INSURANCE PRICES, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . THERE'S THAT DOWNSIDE TOO. YES. OUR TAXES MAY, WELL, I KNOW MINE WILL GO UP. THEY ALWAYS DO. I MEAN, BECAUSE OUR HOUSE GOES UP AND JUST ENOUGH THAT WE CAN'T REALLY APPEAL IT, BUT, UM, IT'S IRRITATING THAT OUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE HAS GOTTEN SO OUTRAGEOUS AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CLAIM. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THE, IT USED TO BE THAT WE SAID THAT THE AVERAGE TAX BRENTWOOD CITY TAX FOR OUR HOMES WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 750 AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS. IS THAT STILL? I MEAN, YES, SIR. WE GOT BIGGER HOMES AND, AND I THINK THAT WAS BASED ON A MILLION DOLLAR HOME. YEAH. WHICH, WHEN THE TAX BILL COMES, IT DOESN'T JUST COME FROM BRENTWOOD, WHICH THAT, THAT MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT'S ALL OF US THAT'S GOING UP AND IT'S NOT US. IT'S NO. YEAH. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO COMMENT ON TOO, BECAUSE WHAT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS EASIER FOR THE COUNTY TO DO 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE YOU SAID, THINK WE'VE RAISED TAXES AND WE HAVEN'T. IT'S THE COUNTY. YEAH. AND I, I WOULD SAY COMING FROM A STATE THAT'S NOT A HIGH TAX STATE, UH, I SAW A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, LOWERING THE PROPERTY TAX, UH, FOR OUR HOUSE. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND I THINK THE MESSAGE MIGHT BE YOU'RE DOING YOUR PART, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES, HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE AND SO FORTH. BUT AS A CITY, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO YOUR PART ON THE TAX BILL. WAS IT SPLIT THAT WAY? BUT PEOPLE SEE WHAT OUR RATE IS. COUNTY RATE WE USED JUST SEND IT SEPARATE. YEAH. A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE ON, I THINK IT SAVED LIKE TWO OR $300,000 TO SET IT, HITTING THAT SEVERAL YEARS BACK. BUT TO SEND IT TOGETHER, THE ONE PROBLEM IS, IS MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT 80% OF THAT TAX BILL IS TO THE COUNTY AND ON AVERAGE 20% IS TO THE CITY OF WELL, THAT'S WHY I WONDERED IF THERE WAS A ON WHEN YOU GET THE BILL. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES IN MY HUSBAND'S STACK, BUT IT'S IN A LITTLE BLOCK, SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, UNLESS IT CHANGES THIS YEAR, BUT RIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT THIS BIG AND IT'S A LITTLE BLOCK THAT DIFFERENTIATES. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S ALL ITEMIZED, ISN'T IT? IT'S TYPICALLY, YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND RAISE YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, 80% IS THE COUNTY AND A BUNCH OF THAT'S TO THE SCHOOLS. YES. A MUCH JUST TO THE SCHOOLS. SO, OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE SAID THIS TO SEVERAL PEOPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, CITIES AROUND US, THE TAXES GOING UP. NOLANSVILLE IS GOING UP 90%, MY NEIGHBOR SAYS, REALLY? ALMOST DOUBLING WOW. THAT THEY HAVE SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T PLANNED FOR, SO THEY GOTTA GET IT. BUT THAT'S SHOCKING. ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO YOU'LL LOOK PRETTY GOOD. YEAH. AGAIN, YOU DO WANT TO COMMUNICATE THAT. RIGHT. AND I THINK JAY'S GONNA HIT THAT PRETTY HARD. SO, UM, THE THIRD ITEM, YES, I SURE I CAN REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND HAVE THEM INCLUDE THAT IT'S THE SAME EFFECTIVE TAX RATE ON OUR PART. OH, THAT'D BE GREAT. IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD HELP. I DO. SURE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THIRD ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IN ORDINANCE, SUBMITTING OUR, UH, MUNICIPAL, UH, MONTHLY SEWER AND WATER RATES. AND, UH, THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT IS, IS A COUPLE YEARS AGO YOU AUTHORIZED AN AGREEMENT WITH WILDEN FINANCIAL SERVICES TO COMPLETE AN UPDATE OF OUR, UH, WATERED SEWER LONG RANGE FISCAL MODEL, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON UTILITY RATE STRUCTURES. UM, AND SO THEY DID THAT, THEY'VE DONE THAT BEFORE FOR YOU IN 2015 AND 2021. SO THEY KNOW OUR, THEY KNOW OUR INFORMATION AND OUR SYSTEM VERY, VERY WELL. UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS LA LATEST UPDATE WAS DUE TO RECENT CHANGES IN YOUR, IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND MOVING UP AND LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE EQUALIZATION TANK, UH, IS A PRIMARY PIECE OF THAT. AND OF COURSE, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, NOT LONG AGO, THE ESTIMATED COST IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 26 MILLION AND WILL REQUIRE ISSUING THE BOND. SO THAT CAN AFFECT THE RATES. AND SO, UH, THE RECOMMENDED RATE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT YOUR, AT YOUR BRIEFING REAL QUICK ARE, UH, FOR THE SEWER RATES, A 5%, UH, INCREASE, UH, THROUGH 2029 AND A 2.5% IN 2030 ON YOUR WATER. IT'S A 2.5% THROUGH 2026. AND SO THE WATER'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE, UH, WASTEWATER, UH, PRIMARILY IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE EQUALIZATION TANK. UM, LET ME [01:00:01] HIT REAL QUICK SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA. THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE A COMBINED BILL PROJECTED AT 6,000 GALLONS PER MONTH. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM $92 AND 55 CENTS EXISTING, AGAIN, BOTH WATER AND SEWER, IT WOULD GO UP THROUGH THIS TAKES YOU UP THROUGH 2030 AT $107 66 CENTS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY JUST A LITTLE OVER $3 TOTAL COMBINED BILL, UH, PER MONTH, UH, EACH OF THOSE YEARS. UH, AND THEN YOU SEE IT RIGHT NOW, IT DROPS OFF IN 2030, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DROP OFF OF THE, UH, UH, SEWER RATE, UH, FROM 5% TO 2.5%. SO IT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. I'LL JUST MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT IF THAT GRAPH WAS ACTUALLY DONE FROM ZERO TO 110, IT WOULD LOOK A LOT FLATTER THAN IT DOES WHEN YOU ONLY LOOK AT $30 . IF YOU SLIPPED, YOU'D ROLL DOWN THE HILL. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT LOOK REALLY STEEP. IT'S NOT. AND THEN THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA JUST COMPARABILITY WITH, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE. UH, AND SO FROM WHEN YOU JUST LIST THEM OUTRIGHT, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE. UH, IF YOU'RE REALLY GONNA LOOK AT A MEDIAN, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT. SO YOU'RE STILL IN, IN A VERY GOOD PLACE FOR THOSE RATES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. UH, ITEM FOUR. UH, NEW BUSINESS RESOLUTION, ESTABLISHING A VETERANS MEMORIAL AD HOC COMMITTEE. SO, AGAIN, WE TOOK YOUR INPUT FROM THE PRIOR BRIEFING, PUT THAT TOGETHER. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK HIGHLIGHT, IT WOULD INCLUDE EIGHT MEMBERS, UH, THAT IS IN SIX BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS, ONE MEMBER FROM THE CITY COMMISSION HERE, A CITY COMMISSIONER, AND ONE HISTORIC, UH, COMMISSION MEMBER AS YOU MENTIONED AND ADDED INTO THAT. UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. AS APPLICANTS MAY NOT BE CURRENTLY SERVING ON ANOTHER BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION GOES BACK TO THE BROADER CONVERSATION AND THIS CONVERSATION. UM, APPLICATIONS WOULD BE ACCEPTED BETWEEN MAY 28TH AND JUNE 12TH. A SELECTION BY YOU WOULD BE ON JUNE 23RD. UM, THE COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE AND HISTORIC COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE WOULD ALSO BE CHOSEN ON THAT DATE. AGAIN, THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION SOLICIT INPUT FROM LOCAL VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS, BROADER COMMUNITY, DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THE MEMORIAL, ANALYZE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS, LOOK AT PROPOSALS, COST ESTIMATES, UH, PROJECT SCHEDULE, AND POTENTIALLY FUNDING STRATEGIES AND PARTNERSHIPS. AND IF YOU WOULD DESIRE, THEY COULD ASSIST IN ANY FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES. UM, WE, UH, PUSHED TAR ON ALSO THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE END OF 2026. CORRECT ME IF I, IF I'M INCORRECT ON THAT, JAY, TO AT LEAST TO TRY TO HAVE THIS GOING. BUT IDEALLY, IF WE CAN GET, IF WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL THE STAGES AND HAVE A PROJECT IN PLACE, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT WAS AT LEAST THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION WAS BY THE END OF 2026. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? HOW ARE WE GONNA, UM, I'M SORRY. NO. HOW ARE WE GONNA ADVERTISE OR LET IT BE KNOW? 'CAUSE UH, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE HAVE SENT US ALL EMAILS SAYING, EVERYONE OR SPOKE UP AT A MEETING. SO THEY, OR HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE CLOUD? HOW, I'M SORRY. HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE THIS KNOWN SINCE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR USUAL BOARD APPLICATIONS? UM, YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEANS LIKE MAKE LIKE A ON THE FRONT PAGE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO YEAH. SCROLL THROUGH THE WEBSITE OR SOCIAL MEDIA. SOCIAL MEDIA. CHARLES, YOUR THOUGHT, YOU PROBABLY YOU. SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. YEAH, YEAH. SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, WITH OUR DIFFERENT CHANNELS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR NEWSLETTERS AND EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR REACHING OUT TO THE, I JUST WONDER IF WE COULD MAKE SOME SORT OF ON THE HOMEPAGE OF OUR WEBSITE YEAH. TO MAKE IT A BIG, BOLD KIND OF ANNOUNCEMENT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEARCH ALL THROUGH ALL THE TABS TO FIND IT. YEAH. SARAH WAS HERE. WE HAVE A WAY OF PUTTING LIKE A SPOTLIGHT SECTION THAT WE CAN DO TOO. YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. YOU HAVE APPOINTMENTS OF CITY COMMISSIONERS TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AS WE LOOK THROUGH HERE. UH, THERE'S, YOU HAVE QUITE A SELECTION OF THOSE. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD PARK BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THREE BOARD, UH, LIBRARY BOARD, HISTORIC COMMISSION, THE, UH, AND THEN THEIR APPOINTMENTS TO THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, AND THE GREATER NASHVILLE REGIONAL COUNCIL. UM, AS WELL AS COUNTY GROWTH COORDINATING COMMITTEE. AND, UH, I THINK I MENTIONED PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AND THEN THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. SO, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? OKAY. KRISTEN, DID YOU WANT TO GO OVER THE, JUST THE HOUSEKEEPING A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR ANY OF, WELL, FOR PLANNING COMMISSION THIS MORNING, TO HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF RAISE THEIR HANDS AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE YOU, ET CETERA. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM AND EVERYONE CAN PUT THEIR NAMES IN THE HAT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR WHICH BOARD OR COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION THEY MIGHT WANNA BE ON. UM, [01:05:01] PLANNING COMMISSION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVES THAT WILL BE ON FOR MONDAY, AND ONE OF 'EM IS A BOARD MEMBER OTHER THAN THE MAYOR'S DESIGNATED POSITION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CHOOSE TOGETHER. AND I THINK HISTORICALLY SOMEONE WILL JUST SAY, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER TRAVIS IS ON, WHAT IS SERVING AS RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, AGAIN, GO AROUND THE ROOM, SAY IF YOU WANT THAT, AND THEN IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE, THEN IT WOULD BE A BALLOT, UM, PROCESS LIKE WE'RE USED TO WITH DOING FOR OTHER BOARD APPOINTMENTS. UM, NEXT MONTH AND JUNE, THERE WILL BE TWO MORE, MAYOR, OR EXCUSE ME, THEY ARE TECHNICALLY MAYOR APPOINTMENTS, BUT TWO MORE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS BY STATE LAW. THOSE ARE MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A WEAK MAYOR SYSTEM, CITY MANAGER, COMMISSION FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND OBVIOUSLY THE MAYOR HAS CHOSEN FROM AMONGST YOU GUYS, THE TRADITION HAS BEEN THAT, UM, THE SELECTION OF THAT MEMBER ROTATES THROUGHOUT THE COMMISSION. SO THE COMMISSIONERS WILL PUT ONE UP, MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH IT, AND THEN THAT'LL BE ANNOUNCED BY YOU AT THAT JUNE MEETING. SO DOES THAT KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT FOR THESE PEOPLE YOU DO, WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIST OF 'EM AND, UM, EACH COMMISSIONER CAN THROW THEIR NAME OUT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN A CERTAIN BOARD OR COMMISSION. NO, WE'RE DOING THIS MONDAY NIGHT, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. WELL, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS DISCUSS IT AND SORT OF SAY, I'D LIKE TO DO SO AND SO ABSOLUTELY. AT THIS MEETING. YES. YES, MA'AM. SO ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO BE THE TIME TO DO THAT. YES, MA'AM. CAN I DESCRIBE BROTHER? SO MY POSITION, IS IT ANOTHER EMPTY SPOT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WILL NEED TO BE FILLED BEFORE THE JUNE, RIGHT. WE HAVE THAT AND HOLLY'S SAYING WE HAVE THAT ON THE JUNE MEETING TO MM-HMM . APPOINT WITH THOSE OTHER, OKAY. YES. SO, OKAY. SO THE, BUT THE FIRST WEEK THEN IN JUNE, THE FIRST MONDAY AND JUNE, YOU'RE STILL ON THE COMMISSION. OKAY. YEAH. ON THE PLANNING. COMMISS COMMISSION WORKS FOR ME. YES, MA'AM. , I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GO IS UP TO YOU, BUT YOU'RE STILL ON THE COMMISSION, SO . ALRIGHT. SO Y'ALL WANNA JUST, HOW WOULD, YEAH. DO YOU WANNA GO DOWN THEM IN, IN NUMBER ORDER, OR DO Y'ALL WANNA GO THROUGH IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER? OR DO PEOPLE JUST WANNA RAISE THEIR HANDS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO? OR HOW, HOW DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT? OR, AND IS THERE A TYPICAL WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT? PARDON ME? IS THERE A TYPICAL WAY WE'VE DONE IT? LIKE, DO WE JUST HAVE PEOPLE SAY, I'D LIKE TO DO SUCH AND SUCH AROUND? YEAH. JUST SAY THE BOARD, THEN SOMEBODY WILL SAY, OH, I'LL DO IT. OR NO, I DON'T WANT THAT. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I, HISTORICALLY, WE'VE JUST GONE DOWN THE LIST THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. YEAH. SO STARTING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY REPORT, NELSON, CAN I MAKE ONE STATEMENT? UH, NO, NO. YOU MAY NOT. . THANK YOU. CAN'T TALK AT THIS MEETING. YEAH, NO, THIS ISN'T A, THIS ISN'T COMMON ON MONDAY NIGHT, UNLESS WE, WE CHOOSE TO HAVE SOMEONE CALL THE VACANCY OF A COMMISSIONER AND YOU'RE DIVVYING OUT THE SEATS. SO IF WE CAN START, UM, WE'VE, WITH THESE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS, SOME OF 'EM ARE, UH, THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN 'EM. UM, I KNOW PEOPLE MAY HAVE A FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD CHOICE AT SOME LEVEL. UM, SO AS WE GO ON DOWN THROUGH THESE AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO IT AS WELL. YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO, YOU KNOW THAT I WANNA MAKE THIS A SUPER FORMAL PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH MEETS ON THE SAME DAY RIGHT BEFORE COMMISSION MEETINGS, CORRECT? FROM WHAT TIME? I SIX O'CLOCK AND SIX TO 6 45. OKAY. SO IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD? POSSIBLY SOUNDS KIM SAID POSSIBLY. OKAY. IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET YOUR FEET WET, NO PUN. ALRIGHT. UM, SO KIM IS POSSIBLY INTERESTED ALSO, JUST AS AN OBSERVATION, THERE'S SIX OF US RIGHT NOW. THERE WILL BE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS APPOINTED TO DIFFERENT BOARDS, UM, EVENTUALLY. SO WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PERSON THAT WE DON'T HAVE FILLED RIGHT NOW. UH, WHO IS INTERESTED IN PARK BOARD? CAN YOU CONFIRM WHEN THE PARK BOARD MEETS, UH, PARK BOARD IS AT SIX O'CLOCK ON THE SAME. I THINK THE FIRST MONDAY IS PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, SO FIVE 30, I BELIEVE. FIVE 30, OH, EXCUSE ME, FIVE 30. THE ENVIRON ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISOR CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND SO I WOULD RATHER DO PARK BOARD, BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS THAT, THEN I WOULD DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL. SO JUST THAT I THROW THAT OUT THERE. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? UH, ENVIRONMENTAL BOARD OR PARK BOARD. ALL RIGHT. PLANNING COMMISSION. I, I, I'D LIKE TO STAY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I'VE ENJOYED IT. I THINK I'M PRETTY EFFECTIVE. OKAY. I'M INTERESTED IN DOING THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE JUMPING IN. I THINK YOU PROBABLY GOT THAT ONE. WELL, NO. OH, YOU SAID YOU WOULD. OKAY. WELL, I'LL HAVE A LITTLE CONTEST. IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THERE TOO. OKAY. SO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, BOTH KEN TRAVIS AND RAY LITTLE ARE INTERESTED. ANYBODY ELSE? PLANNING [01:10:01] COMMISSION. AND THEN JANET, I THINK YOU INDICATED THAT IT'LL BE ROLLING OFF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AS AS, AS A, AS A, YEAH, AS A NON-CITY COMMISSIONER REP. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO ANYONE ELSE IN ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD, PARK BOARD OR PLANNING COMMISSION AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH? ALRIGHT. TREE BOARD. UM, I'LL BE COMING OFF THAT I GUESS AS MAYOR. ANYBODY INTERESTED IN TREE BOARD? WHEN DOES TREE BOARD MEET? UH, TREE BOARD MEETS, I THINK IS AT THE SECOND TUESDAY EACH MONTH AT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A MORNING MEETING HERE IN THIS ROOM. AND CAN I KNOW YOU'VE DONE TREE BOARD BEFORE AND ENJOYED IT. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYONE FOR TREE BOARD? ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL NEED TO SAVE A SPACE TOO FOR WHOEVER'S THE NEW COMMISSIONER. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SOME BOARD FOR THEM. I GUESS THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IS A MARRIAGE APPOINTMENT, SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT, OH, EXCUSE ME. LIBRARY BOARD SUPERVISOR. YEAH, I'D LIKE THAT APPOINTMENT. OKAY. . OH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I I WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT RULES AND REGULATIONS, KIRK AND, NO, NOT TO BRING KIRK UP WHEN YOU'RE NEW HERE, BUT HE AND I DISCUSSED THIS A WHILE BACK FOR YEARS WHEN THE, WHEN THE HISTORIC BOARD WAS CREATED, IT BECAME A MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT. AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS THE ONLY POSITION IN THE OLD CITY APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 'CAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WASN'T THEN MM-HMM . AND I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE BY THE CHOICE OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS INSTEAD OF JUST THE MAYOR. I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH IT. I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN IT EVERY TIME. SO I'M NOT SAYING IT BECAUSE I'M COMPLAINING. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY FAIR PROCESS. AND NO REFLECTION ON THE CURRENT MAYOR. I WOULD'VE SAID IT REGARDLESS OF WHO . WELL, I'M SORT OF RETHINKING NOW. . SO, UM, ANYHOW, I WOULD APPRECIATE BEING POINTED. I'VE ALREADY STARTED ON THE HISTORY POLL QUESTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR. SO , SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND GOING FORWARD AND COMMISSIONER DUN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S SET WORTH IT. OUR CODE. SO WE CAN TALK, WE SOME THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO DO THAT FOR SURE. AND I KIND OF SKIPPED OVER NUMBER FIVE, THE LIBRARY BOARD S IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE? I THINK WE SHOULD GET INTEREST. IT'LL BE ON, IT IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GET INTEREST, BUT IT'LL BE ON YOUR, WHAT IS IT HOLLY? I'M SORRY? JUNE, UH, JUNE 10TH WEBSITE. YES. SORRY. I, OR JUNE 30TH. JUNE. IT'S ACTUALLY THE AGENDA ITEM. YEAH. OH, OH, FOR THIS ONE? IT IS. OKAY. YEP. I'M SORRY. I'D BE INTERESTED. THAT'S WHY IT SAYS NEXT AGENDA ITEM ON. OKAY. I'D BE INTERESTED NOW. SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. SO JANICE INTERESTED TO GET TO IT. ANYONE ELSE BOARD? ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE NEXT UM, IS I NEED TO THINK THROUGH APPARENTLY A METRO PLANNING ORGANIZATION, REGIONAL TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, AND GREATER NATIONAL REGIONAL COUNCIL. UM, DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THESE HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST? DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT TYPICALLY DOES 'EM OR IS THE MAYOR TYPICALLY DONE THEM PERSONALLY OR, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH TO BE HONEST. OKAY. I THINK KIRK WAS YEAH, KIRK EASILY THAT KIRK, YEAH. KURT KIRK WAS WHEN SOMETIMES I KNOW KIRK, UH, COMMISSIONER LITTLE TO OR VICE MAYOR LITTLE WENT DID 'EM ON ZOOM. WE, WE HAD 'EM ON ZOOM, BUT UM, WE WOULD ALSO SOMETIMES HAVE A STAFF MEMBER IF KIRK OR I COULDN'T GO OR THE STAFF MEMBER WOULD GO TO KEEP UP WITH TRANSPORTATION THINGS AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL STILL DO THAT, DERRICK? YEAH. IF, IF I COULD SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICKLY PLEASE. OKAY. SO THE, UM, I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL CORRECT A MISTAKE THAT I MADE IN THE BUDGET MEETING THE OTHER DAY. THE RE THE RTA IS THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY. AND THAT'S, I MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS, I GOT THE, I CONFUSED WITH THE RURAL, UH, METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. THE RTA DOES TRANSIT. THAT'S WHICH WE TYPICALLY AREN'T INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT THEN WE, I THINK WE ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE BUDGET, PROBABLY WILL GIVE MONEY TO THE OTHER THING IS THE GNRC, UM, E EITHER I OR SARAH CATHERINE, TYPICALLY SARAH CATHERINE ATTEND THE TECHNICAL COORDINATING COMMITTEE FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE'S A POLICY BOARD THAT VOTES AS WELL. AND THAT WOULD EITHER BE THE MAYOR OR THE CITY MANAGER. AND I DON'T THINK, UH, THAT'S BEEN ATTENDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE FUND SO MANY OF OUR PROJECTS ON OUR OWN. BUT THAT'S THE WAY THOSE WORK. I KNOW WHEN, WHEN I WAS MAYOR TWICE, CITY MANAGER ALWAYS DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS, FELT THAT IT WAS GOOD FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WITH METRO GOVERNMENT. AND OF COURSE THE MAYOR WAS FREE TO COME ALONG TO THE MEETINGS. [01:15:01] DO OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO IT'S UH, IT IS NOT A STRICT PROTOCOL IN TERMS OF ONE VERSUS TWO SCHEDULE? NO. TWO, TWO PEOPLE COULD GO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WELL IF WE, SINCE THESE ARE AMER APPOINTMENTS, UM, I GUESS JASON, IF WE CAN GET TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND I GUESS WE DO THIS ON MONDAY, IF WE JUST WANNA COMPARE NOTES AND UH SURE. AND MAKE SURE WE MAKE WHATEVER STATEMENT WE NEED TO MAKE IN THE, THE MEETING MONDAY NIGHT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. FOR TUESDAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. GOOD REMINDER. TUESDAY. THIS, UH, WEEK. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT OUT LOUD. YEAH, JUST, JUST KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THE TECHNICAL COORDINATING COMMITTEE GENERALLY DOES THE NOTES AND NUTS AND BOLTS. THEY MAKE RECOMME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE POLICY BOARDS. THERE'S THE ONES THAT VOTE ON THE POLICIES. OKAY. SO YOU DEFINITELY WANT THE CAR DEALER THERE? YES. . OKAY. OR A DESIGNATED APPOINT . I HEAR YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THE COUNTY GROWTH COORDINATING COMMITTEE, IS THAT SIMILAR? I GUESS THAT'S IN THE SAME BUCKET THE MAYOR PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THIS WILL, THIS MEETS QUARTERLY GOING FORWARD. ALRIGHT. HISTORICALLY AT NINE IN THE MORNING ON TUESDAYS. FOR WHAT? THAT'S PART. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UH, WE'VE MENTIONED PLANNING COMMISSION FOR MAYOR DESIGNEE AND THEN THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER ALTERNATIVE WILL SERVE AS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WILLIAMS COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S TYPICALLY THE MAYOR AS WELL. THINK KIRK TYPICALLY WENT TO THIS. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE ANY BETTER TO DO? JASON, DID YOU I WAS JUST GETTING USED TO BEING IN BRENTWOOD. . ALRIGHT. THESE MAKE SENSE. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL SORT THAT OUT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THOSE FOLKS. ALRIGHT, SO GOING BACK THROUGH, SO WHAT I'M SHOWING IS ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD WITH UH, KIM SAYING, UH, POSSIBLY, UM, ANYONE ELSE WANNA PUT THEIR NAME ON ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD? UH, PARK BOARD, UH, KIM SAYING FIRST CHOICE. ANYONE ELSE AS WE THINK THAT'S A, A SHOE IN ANYBODY? UH, PLANNING COMMISSION? BOTH KEN AND RAY ARE INTERESTED. UH, TREE BOARD. I'M NOT SHOWING ANYONE HAVING RAISED THEIR HAND YET. ANYONE. ALRIGHT. JANET EXPRESSED INTEREST IN LIBRARY BOARD AND THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THEN THE MAYOR APPOINTMENTS. WE'LL SORT OUT ANYTHING ELSE ON, ON THESE? AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, I THINK KRISTEN WAS SAYING THAT BECAUSE THESE ARE JOBS OF THE COMMISSION, THESE AREN'T SUBJECT TO SUNSHINE LAWS WHERE WE'RE WELCOME TO CALL EACH OTHER OR TALK ABOUT 'EM. SO FOR ALL THE ONES THAT THE COMMISSION VOTES ON, YOU CANNOT DISCUSS OUTSIDE THIS. BUT FOR MAYOR APPOINTMENTS, THAT'S APPOINTMENT. SO FOR THE MAYOR APPOINTMENTS COMMISSIONER? THAT'S CORRECT. SO FOR THE MAYOR APPOINTMENTS HAS INPUT ON THOSE SINCE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON YES. THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. WHICH TAKES US ON TO, UH, ITEM SIX, WHICH WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT ALREADY. YEAH. I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, ON THE OTHER ITEMS WE'VE COVERED THE RACKET, UH, FACILITY PRO FORMA. I'LL GO QUICKLY FOR MY PART. YEAH. NEXT ITEM IS PROCESS TO FILL CITY COMMISSIONER VACANCY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO POINTER OR, UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY SLIDES. I THINK YOU JUST NO. AT YOU. I THINK I'LL TRY TO COORDINATE WITH YOU. I KNOW, AND I'M SORRY THERE'S A LOT OF TEXT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. UM, AND, AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THESE SLIDES ARE COPIED FROM, UM, WHEN COMMISSIONER SMITHSON PASSED AWAY IN 2022. SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, OUR CHARTER IS A STATE LAW CHARTER. SO IT SET SETS FORTH WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO. AND IT DOES HAVE A SECTION FOR COMMISSIONER VACANCIES. SO IT SAYS THAT, UM, YOU ALL HAVE 90 DAYS TO FILL THE VACANCY. YOU MAY APPOINT A REPLACEMENT WITHIN THAT 90 DAYS. IF YOU DO NOT APPOINT ANYONE WITHIN THAT 90 DAYS, THEN YOU MUST HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION. Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER THAT, UM, LAST TIME WE HAD THIS 90 DAY WAITING PERIOD THAT WE HAD TO DO, WE DID HAVE THE CHARTER AMENDED TO TAKE THAT MANDATORY WAITING PERIOD OUT. SO IF TWO THIRDS OF YOU, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR OF YOU, CHOOSE TO GO AHEAD WITH A SPECIAL ELECTION, UH, AS SOON AS THE, WHENEVER WE COULD GET THIS ON AN AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST JUNE MEETING, IF TWO THIRDS OF YOU WANTED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH A SPECIAL ELECTION, YOU COULD WAIVE THAT 90 DAY WAITING PERIOD. UM, AT ANY POINT IF THE, UM, [01:20:01] ELECTION COMMISSION IS NOTIFIED THAT YOU ALL WANT A SPECIAL ELECTION OR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL, SPECIAL ELECTION, 'CAUSE THAT THAT 90 DAY WAITING PERIOD LAPSED, THEN THE SPECIAL ELECTION WILL BE HELD WITHIN 75 TO 120 DAYS OF THE ELECTION COMMISSION BEING NOTIFIED. AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER STATE LAW, NOT WITHIN OUR CHARTER, BUT, UM, IT ACTUALLY IS WITHIN OUR CHARTER, BUT IT'S ALSO STATE LAWS ELECTIONS GO. SO, UM, AGAIN, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY BARRIER BOARD VACANCY BEING FILLED. SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? FIRST AND FOREMOST? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THE LAST TIME, JUST TO GO OVER, 'CAUSE I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN A SPECIAL ELECTION, BUT IN 2008 WHEN BILL YURI PASSED AWAY, UM, JUST HERE'S THE TIMELINE THAT THAT WAS FOLLOWED AND HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT. UM, UH, HE PASSED ON APRIL 8TH, UH, ON APRIL 28TH, 2008, THE COMMISSION ADAPTED A MOTION STATING ITS INTENT TO FILL THE VACANCY BY APPOINTMENT. AND THEN THE COMMISSION THEN SET FORTH A SCHEDULE FOR RECEIVING APPLICATIONS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, AND THEN ON MAY 27TH OF THAT SAME YEAR, THE COMMISSION APPOINTED ALEX NOBLE TO, TO FILL THAT VACANCY. UM, THIS VACANCY WILL SERVE THE REMAINDER OF COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN'S TERM, WHICH WILL BE TILL MAY OF 2027. SO JUST A TWO YEARS REMAINING IN HER TERM. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND AGAIN, I KNOW JASON WILL TELL YOU WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE NEXT BRIEF, NEXT BRIEFING FOR MORE DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER THE COMMISSION FEELS. CAN I COMMENT ON THIS? OF COURSE. OKAY. BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD TWICE MM-HMM . UM, WHEN, WHEN, UH, COMMISSIONER YURI DIED, THERE WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS LEFT. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT HAVING AN ELECTION, WE THOUGHT, OKAY, YOU'VE GOT THIS TIMEFRAME OF SEVERAL MONTHS THAT'S REQUIRED TO PASS, TAKE THOSE MONTHS OUT OF THE TWO YEARS, THEN YOU GET SOMEBODY WHO'S ELECTED, WHO MAY BE BRAND NEW, BUT COME IN AND HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS THAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN THAT WITHOUT EXPERIENCE COULD SOMETIMES BE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. BUT YOU'VE GOTTA, THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE TO BEING A CITY COMMISSIONER. I MEAN, THERE REALLY IS. YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN HOW THE CITY WORKS. THAT TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS. OKAY? LET'S SAY THAT SIX MONTHS OF THOSE TWO YEARS RIGHT THERE TO GET ELECTED AND A LEARNING CURVE THAT LEAVES A YEAR AND A HALF. WELL, IF IT'S SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO RUN AGAIN, THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THEIR TERM IS GONNA BE GEARED TOWARDS THEIR GETTING REELECTED. SO THAT'S WHY WE OPTED TO GO WITH SOMEONE THAT HAD EXPERIENCE. ALEX HAD BEEN A FORMER COMMISSIONER THAT COULD HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. ONE REASON WE DID NOT DO IT LAST TIME WAS THERE WAS A, A THREE THREE SPLIT ON THIS BOARD AND WE KNEW WE COULD NEVER SETTLE ON ONE PERSON. SO WE HAD VERY LITTLE CHOICE, BUT HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION. KEN, WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A CORRECT ASSESSMENT? YES, TRUE. I I WILL MENTION, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR, I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT A SPECIAL ELECTION WOULD PRO, AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T, JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, A SPECIAL ELECTION WOULD COST PROBABLY ABOUT $50,000 TO HOLD. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED, CERTAINLY COULD BE BY WAY OF AMENDMENT. UM, BUT JUST TO, JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS YOU THINK THROUGH WHICH PROCESS. JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT TOO, AGAIN, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF VARIABLES FLOATING AROUND, RIGHT. THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO THINK THROUGH, UM, AND, AND FIND YOUR COMFORT SPACE. BACK TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION QUESTION AGAIN, WE SAID WE'LL WAIT AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE RACKET FACILITY. SO I DON'T WANNA PRESUME ANYTHING, BUT ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF THE MODEL, YOU MAY MAY BE CONSIDERING AN ELECTION FOR A REFERENDUM, UH, FOR DEBT ON THAT. YOU MAY NOT. BUT IF YOU DO, THAT ALSO BRINGS IN THIS QUESTION OF A SPECIAL ELECTION. AND SO IT MAY BE THAT YOU WANT CLARITY THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT AFFECTS THIS OR THIS AFFECTS THAT, BUT YOU MAY WANT SOME CLARITY ON THAT AS WELL. SO THAT TWO TO ME SHOULD NOT BE ON THE SAME BALLOT. I MEAN WHY? HUH? WHY? WELL, I MEAN, I, WELL ONE IS SUCH A HOT TOPIC AND THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO CHOSE NOT TO RUN LAST TIME SUDDENLY THINKING, OH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE CITY COMMISSION RUNNING. I, I JUST, I, I JUST, WELL, IT JUST MAY BE ME, OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE FINE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S THROWING A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF AT, AT ONE [01:25:01] ELECTION AT ONE TIME. AND I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF A REFERENDUM. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UM, I I, IT'S, THIS BOARD IS, CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT IT WANTS OF COURSE. BUT I DO NOT FAVOR AS AN ELECTION FOR A CITY COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO SELECT SOMEONE WITH SOME EXPERIENCE THAT CAN START FROM DAY ONE WITH SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THE CITY. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE A FORMER CITY COMMISSIONER, BUT SOMEBODY WHO HAS SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THE WAY THE BOARDS AND THINGS WORK. MM-HMM . AND THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR, UH, ASSESSMENT AS WELL. LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER TRAVIS SAID, UM, A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS JUST BASED ON COMMENTS I'VE GOTTEN BACK, I WANNA MAKE SURE TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE. UM, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSAL WE GOT TO TODAY AND WE'RE COMING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL MODEL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH RAC COMMITTEE WITHOUT A REFERENDUM. BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE'RE STILL BEING ASKED, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. LIKE, SO IF THIS COMMISSION LOOKS AT THIS MODEL ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM TO NOT MOVE FORWARD. AND, UM, AND THEN ON THE, THE COMMENT OF A SPECIAL ELECTION, I THINK I'D ADD TO IT THAT GIVEN THAT WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION WITH REMARKABLE TURNOUT, THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ELEMENT OF VOTER FATIGUE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL OF THE ATTENTION IS THIS ELECTION GOT, HAVING A SPECIAL ELECTION A FEW MONTHS LATER, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT GET VERY MUCH TURNOUT AT ALL, WHICH COULD BE ANOTHER FACTOR TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY LIKE YOU DESCRIBED, IF WE HAVE A GOOD CANDIDATE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A GOOD ROUTE. BUT I I, I THINK MAYBE IF WE THINK ABOUT IT FOR NEXT BRIEFING, UM, WE BRING ON THE NEXT BRIEFING AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT BOTH, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL ELECTION AS A REFERENDUM AS WELL AS A SPECIAL ELECTION VERSUS AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE COMMISSION. AND THAT WOULD GIVE US, I THINK, AN ADEQUATE TIMELINE TO SET IF WE DID GO TO THE DIRECTION OF AN APPOINTMENT TO HAVE A PROPOSED TIMELINE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF GATHERING APPLICATIONS AND HAVING A GOOD TRANSPARENT PROCESS IN PLACE. YES, I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET A, A MORE DETAILED TIMELINE OF WHAT WAS USED IN 2008. AGAIN, THE CHARTER DOESN'T SAY WHAT KIND OF PROCESS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. UM, SOMEONE COULD JUST MAKE A MOTION OF A NAME OFF THE FLOOR. BUT AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS A REASONABLE ONE. I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS DOING IT SIMILAR, SIMILARLY, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO GO. SO I'LL BE SURE TO GET THAT GATHERED THE, AGAIN, WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAILS THAN JUST ONE SLIDE FOR YOU THAT SOUND YEAH. PRETTY TO EVERYBODY. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD DONE AN APPOINTMENT OR DONE A, AN APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, HAVING THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA INFORMATION. YES, ABSOLUTELY. MAKES ME THINK THAT APPOINTING SOMEBODY IS, THEY ACTUALLY STILL HAVE THE APPLICATION IN ROGER'S OLD FILES TOO, SO I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU TOO. HE WAS VERY GOOD AT RECORD KEEPING. SURE. SO I CAN GATHER EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD. THAT'D BE GREAT. JUST, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. IS THIS PAST, UM, WHEN, WHEN COMMISSIONER SMITHSON DIED, THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WE'VE HAD, UH, A SPECIAL ELECTION? IS THAT IN THE FILES THAT I HAVE? THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME. OKAY. SO, SO IN THE PAST, THE HISTORY, EVEN WHEN YOUR MOTHER WAS APPOINTED, RIGHT? WHEN THE CITY COMMISSIONER HAD TO MOVE OUTTA STATE? RIGHT. OKAY. UH, REGINA SMITHSON HAD, WAS SERVING ON THE SISTER CITIES BOARD AND SHE WAS APPOINTED TO COMPLETE HIS TERM. AND THEN REGINA DID NOT PARLAY THAT INTO RUNNING NEXT TIME. RIGHT. SHE WORKED THAT ENTIRE TIME FOR HER, HER PERIOD THAT SHE WAS DESERVING. SHE STEPPED DOWN AND WAITED TWO YEARS AND RAN AGAIN. SO SHE GAVE ALL OF HER TIME TO SERVING FOR THAT PARTICULAR TRIAL. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE HAD BEEN A SPECIAL ELECTION OTHER THAN, SO IT'S NOT THAT. AND ROUGHLY WHAT WAS THE TURNOUT FOR THE SPECIAL ELECTION NUMBER WISE? UNDER 4,000, 5,000? I THINK IT WAS AROUND 4,200. I THINK THAT TO, I CAN HAVE THAT. I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE BALLPARK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? OKAY. NO, THE, UH, THE LAST TOPIC SPAN AT SCHOOL IS 10 30. ANY CONCLUSION HERE OR ARE WE, WE'LL BRING IT BACK. WE'RE, WE'RE COMING BACK THE NEXT BRIEFING TO DECIDE BETWEEN SPECIAL ELECTION OR AN APPOINTMENT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO YOU, YOU GET A CHOICE. WE'RE AT 10 30, UM, THE TOPIC SPAN AT SCHOOLS, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AT THE NEXT BRIEFING AS WELL. WELL, SINCE, SINCE THEY'RE HERE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. IT'S NOT A PROLONGED DISCUSSION. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL TRY TO HIT THE SUMMARY PRETTY QUICKLY HERE. UH, I THINK THERE'S [01:30:01] A LITTLE, THE HISTORY'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, FOGGY, BUT I THINK FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS, I'M GONNA SAY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, BANNERS ON THE OUTSIDE FENCES THAT ARE THERE TO ADVERTISE, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE, UH, PROVIDED CONTRIBUTIONS OR DONATIONS TO SCHOOLS. I THINK WE'RE, WE FOUND THEM IN THE, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ON THE FENCES MOSTLY. UM, AND IN MORE THAN ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE'VE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH CRO ELEMENTARY, BUT IT'S IN, IN MORE THAN ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. UM, THESE ARE DETERMINED TO BE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR CODE AND YOU CAN SEE THE HIGHLIGHTS UP THERE AND THE CODE AND PROHIBITED SIGNS, ONE'S BANNERS, UH, SNIPE SIGNS, UH, WHICH THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT FIXED TO MEANS, BUT TREES, UTILITY POLES, FENCES OR OTHER OBJECTS. SO IT'S NOT A PERMANENTLY FIXED SEPARATE SIGN, UH, AND COMMERCIAL SIGNS. SO YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF THE TYPE BEING BANNERS, HOW THEY'RE, AND THEN COMMERCIAL SIGNS. SO CLEARLY IN VIOLATION. UM, THIS, UH, WITH, WITH THE BEST INTENSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK POSSIBLE THIS HAS HAPPENED. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. UM, ABOUT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, STAFF STARTED TO NOTICE THERE'S SOME CORRESPONDENCE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT GRAY ON LIKE TEMPORARY, WELL, LET'S DO THIS TEMPORARILY VERSUS NOT. I CAN'T REALLY TELL EXACTLY WHAT STAFF CONVERSATION MEANT AS PRIOR STAFF AS WELL, BUT CLEARLY I THINK WE ALL AGREE THEY ARE IN VIOLATION. STAFF DOESN'T GET TO DETERMINE WHAT'S IN VIOLATION OR NOT. WE HELP YOU INTERPRET AND YOU HAVE THE CODE AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HELP ENFORCE THE CODE. SO IN ORDER TO ALLOW THOSE SIGNS, LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU A, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE, UM, OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE THE ISSUE IS THOSE ALSO TYPICALLY FACING THE OUTSIDE FACING, UH, FACING THE PUBLIC, THE STREETS AND SO FORTH. IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF SIMILAR. UM, THERE'S A LETTER, THE LA THE ONLY CORRESPONDENCE REALLY THAT WE FOUND SO FAR, FORMAL CORRESPONDENCE JUST GOES BACK ABOUT A NOT EVEN QUITE A YEAR. UH, AND IT GOES BACK FROM THE PRIOR PLANNING AND CO-DIRECTOR KIND OF SAYING, HEY, THEY'RE ILLEGAL. UH, WE'RE ASKING, AND THIS IS TO CROCKETT, BUT AGAIN, IT APPLIES BROADER THAN THE CROCKETT. UM, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO REMOVE THEM REC RECOGNIZING YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. WE'RE NOT GONNA INTERRUPT THAT. NO ONE'S GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT ONCE WE HIT SUMMER, LET'S TRY TO GET 'EM DOWN, UH, BY JULY 1ST OF, OF THIS YEAR. SO TAKE YOUR SUMMER BREAK AND, AND DO IT THEN. SO THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE CAN REALLY FIND. I'M STILL, I'VE STILL ASKED, UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING ON OUR SIDE AND, AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION FROM THE SCHOOLS, WE'LL WANNA LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IN THE END BECAUSE THE CODE, ONCE WE DETERMINE IF IT'S A VIOLATION, AND IT CLEARLY IS WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE CODE OR CHANGE THE CODE, YOUR YOUR ISSUE ON THE CODE. THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE ON THAT. YOUR ISSUE ON THE CODE IS REALLY THAT IF YOU SHOULD SAY IT'S, UH, WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE CODE, THEN AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO REMOVE THEM THIS SUMMER. UM, IF YOU SHOULD SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER LYING THESE IN THE CODE, YOU HAVE BROADER ISSUES. SIGNAGE IS GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, UH, IT'S CONSIDERED SPEECH. IT'S REGULATED AS SPEECH. YOU'RE TALKING FEDERAL REGULATION, FEDERAL RULES AND THINGS, UH, COURT CASES, UH, EVEN COMMERCIAL TO A DEGREE. UM, AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE APPLICATION. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU SAYS, WELL, THIS ENTITY COULD HAVE THIS SIGN, AND ANOTHER ENTITY SAYS, WELL, I'M THE SAME TYPE OF ENTITY, OR I'M IN THE SAME ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT, YOU CAN GET INTO TROUBLE PRETTY FAST AND IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TURNOVER TO KRISTEN. IF YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT ANY, JUST THE GENERAL LEGAL COMPLEXITIES HERE. I THINK YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY COVERED IT, AS WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED. AND FOR OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD IT TOO. UM, AS JASON SAID, SIGNS ARE VERY MUCH PROTECTED SPEECH AND, AND ANY REGULATIONS SHOULD BE CONTENT NEUTRAL, MEANING IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHAT THEY SAY. AND I'LL FIRST SAY, I'M A CROCKETT MOM, SO THIS IS LIKE VERY MUCH TO MY HEART. BUT, UM, FROM THE FIRST AMENDMENT STANDPOINT AND FROM THE WAY CASE LAW IS, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH ACCEPTING E-X-C-E-P-T ACCEPTING CERTAIN TYPES OF SPEECH OR CERTAIN LOCATIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF SPEECH. SO, UM, THAT, WITH THAT SAID, AND I THINK JASON HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, NOT SAYING TOO MUCH, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, HOW THAT WOULD HOLD UP IF CHALLENGED BY ANOTHER ENTITY. SO, AND, AND ANOTHER COMPLICATION TO BE AWARE OF, AND WHERE THIS FIRST CAME TO MY ATTENTION WAS THERE ARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND OTHER SCHOOLS THAT DON'T HAVE FENCES THAT STARTED APPLYING TO PUT UP FENCES FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO HANG BANNERS . SO, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A THING WHERE THIS, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO IT, IT, IT, AND, AND, AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE AS, AS CHRISTIAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THE OTHER SCHOOLS PUTTING UP, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE PLANE FENCES, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, KNOW WITH NO REASON OTHER TO HOLD SIGNS, THEN DO CHURCHES, [01:35:01] YOU KNOW, DO OTHER GROUPS, YOU KNOW, PUT UP SINGLE PLAYING FENCES AS AS FENCE AS SIGN HOLDERS TO, TO RAISE MONEY AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE ON OUR ROADS AROUND THE CITY? SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE, AS WE CONSIDER THAT. AND WE'LL ALSO, I MEAN, AND LIKE YOU SAID, I MEAN, I'M FOUR TIME CROCK DAD, TWO TIME CROCKETT, PTO PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT DO THIS FOR FUNDRAISING. UM, YOU KNOW, BANNERS ARE A, A GOOD WAY TO RAISE MONEY, BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER AVENUES THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WITH RAVENWOOD FOOTBALL, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO KEEP ALL OF OUR SIGNAGE INSIDE THE STADIUM AND WE TAKE A LOT OF IT UP AND DOWN ON GAME DAY, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A LOT OF THESE REASONS. JUST TO BE FAIR ON ON, TO MAKE SURE TOO, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT FROM THE SCHOOL'S PERSPECTIVE, I BELIEVE THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND YOU WOULD KNOW THIS MAYOR, UH, RAISED IT FROM CROCKETT SPECIFICALLY SOMEWHERE IN THE $30,000 RANGE PER YEAR. THAT, AND SO THAT'S INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED. I JUST WANNA BE FAIR AND, AND PRESENT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THEIR CONCERN IS THE FUNDRAISING. BUT YOU HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY YOU CONSIDER THAT, BUT DEAL WITH MUCH BROADER ISSUES. AND IF, IF WE DID, IF YOU SAID, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THIS, THERE'S NO QUESTION. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BROADER APPLICATION. UH, I I WOULD EXPECT, I THINK AT ONE POINT TOO, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SIGNAGE WAS INTENDED TO BE PUT UP ON INSIDE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS A GRAY AREA TO SAY THE LEAST, BUT WE THOUGHT WE COULD KINDA LIVE WITH THAT. BUT THEN WHEN YOU START GETTING IT, THE SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE IS PRETTY VISIBLE AT SEVERAL SCHOOLS. AND I, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO COULD, I MEAN, LIKE HOW MANY, I SEE WHAT I SEE RIDING BY, BUT HOW MANY SIGNS GENERALLY OR OWN A PROPERTY AND FOR HOW LONG? UH, THAT'S A GOOD, JUST, JUST TOOK TO GET A CALL. BUT TYPICALLY IN WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT LIKE A CROCKETT, LIKE AT EDMONDSON, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ON A FENCE AND THEY'RE NOT CLOSE. SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN SIGNS, AT LEAST AS LONG AS WE LIVED THAT CLOSE TO 'EM. BUT CROCKETT ONE YEAR I THINK HAD SMALL SIGNS ON WHAT STICKS IN THE GROUND, WHAT DO THEY HAVE, HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE? CROCKETT A LOT THAT YEAR, BUT YEAR DIDN'T SOME HOW MANY OF THOSE LADIES, THEY'RE FROM CROCKETT. CAN I ASK YOU? WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 30 RIGHT NOW. 30 AND AND HOW LONG ARE THEY UP? JUST THE SCHOOL YEAR? JUST THE WINTER? NO, THE WHOLE YEAR. JUST THE SCHOOL YEAR. OH, TWO YEARS. I THOUGHT YEAR SCHOOL YEAR. THE SCHOOL YEAR. I'M SORRY, I I HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM AND I'M STOPPED UP. SO YOU'RE GOOD. AUGUST TILL WE TAKE 'EM DOWN THE SUMMER AND THEN PUT A GENERAL SIGNED UP THE WHOLE YEAR, THE WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR. THAT'S LIKE WALLPAPER IN YOUR HOME. . I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. IT USED TO BE DIFFERENT THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE JUST TEMPORARY, LIKE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FALL FUNDRAISER IT LOOKED LIKE, AND THEY'D BE OUT FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOW EVERYBODY KEEPS 'EM UP. WELL, I THINK BACK TO WHEN THE BUSINESSES GOT THOSE BANNERS, THOSE RIGHT. REMEMBER HOW PICKY WE WERE AND YEAH. AND I DON'T, I MEAN, I WANT TO WORK WITH THESE, BUT WE, I DO WORRY ABOUT A PRECEDENT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HARDLY ASK THE BUSINESSES TO DO ONE THING. MM-HMM. SO TODD, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S COULD, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE SCHOOLS AND PLANNING, YOU KNOW, CODES ASSIGNED TO SIGN RULES CAN WORK ON BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, BEFORE WE ESTABLISH SOME CODE OR WHATEVER DEFINED SOMETHING THAT WORKS? THAT'S NOT THIS YEAR ROUND? I, ON DEFENSE, I MEAN, I WILL SAY UNFORTUNATELY THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN WHAT'S IN PLACE AND THAT WAS STAFF IGNORING IT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE POINT BLANK. WELL, I JUST MEAN, IS THERE SOME OTHER WAY THAT SPONSORS CAN BE RECOGNIZED AT A SCHOOL WITHOUT IT BEING WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS THEY JUST DON'T INVOLVE BANNERS OUT ON THE STREET. RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU CAN PUT BANNERS INSIDE THE SCHOOL. YOU CAN PUT RIGHT, IT BE A FIXED, UM, SIGN NEAR A DROP OFF AREA INTERNAL THAT MAY BE LIST INDIVIDUAL SPONSORS. YEAH. I, I THINK THE OUTSIDE IS BECAUSE THE HIGHER VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT CAN SEE IT, WHETHER THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOL OR NOT, YOU SEE THE ADVERTISING, THE ADVERTISING HAS VALUE. THERE MAY BE SOME RELATIONSHIP, I DON'T KNOW IN THE END, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME RELATIONSHIP TO THE AMOUNT OF FUNDRAISING FROM THOSE PRIVATE FOLKS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A BROADER QUESTION. I KNOW LIKE ON CONCORD ROAD, I THINK THIS IS THE CLOSEST THING TO A BILLBOARD YOU CAN BUY IN BRENTWOOD. YES. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK SOME OF THE BUSINESSES BUYING LIKE BILLBOARDS AND THAT IS NOT, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, PERSONALLY IS ONE COMMISSIONER. I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE. AND I'M, I'M JUST AFRAID THIS IS RUN COURSE YOU DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE. WHEN YOU SAY DON'T WANT, YOU THINK THEY NEED TO COME DOWN, I THINK THEY NEED TO COME DOWN AND I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE SIGN CODE. I, I AGREE. WELL, I'M SO TORN. I WAS TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO CALLED LAST NIGHT AND UM, HE THINKS THEY'RE THE UGLIEST [01:40:01] THINGS HE'S EVER SEEN IN HIS TIRED OF LOOKING AT THEM. AND I, I SAID I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I MEAN, AS A PARENT I FUNDRAISED AND AS A GRANDPARENT I'M WRITING CHECKS NOW, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER STOPS. SO PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOME WAY TO KEEP THE KIDS OFF THE STREET AND KEEP 'EM FROM SELLING THINGS. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS AND, AND I AGREE COMPLETELY, NELSON. I TOTALLY AGREE. IT IS LIKE A BILLBOARD. IT REALLY IS. BUT I TRY TO CHANGE WITH THE TIMES A LITTLE BIT WITH SCHOOLS ARE CONCERNED. UM, AND I WAS A PTO PRESIDENT TOO. SO I, I THINK OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I WISH WE COULD HAVE A UNIFORM SIZE BECAUSE IT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT MY FRIEND THAT CALLED WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. THEY, THE WORD TACKY WAS USED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, UM, IT WAS PRETTY UNIFORM AND, AND LIMIT THE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ADHERE THEM TO THE FENCE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD TAKE THEM DOWN DURING THE HOLIDAYS OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE X NUMBER OF DAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THIS AND PUT 'EM UP MAYBE LIKE DURING THE HOLIDAYS, TAKE 'EM DOWN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE EVERY MINUTE. ALL IF WE COULD WORK OUT SOME KIND OF RULES OR THAT WOULD WORK AND, AND THAT'S TOUGH THOUGH. TRY TO BALANCE WHAT BUSINESSES HAVE TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING THIS TO DO. THE BUSINESSES ARE FOR PROFIT SCHOOLS ARE NOT FOR PROFIT. RIGHT. SO THERE IS A LITTLE I DON'T YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK YOUR SIGN CODE WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A COMMERCIAL SIGN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF I OWN A BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, JASON'S PLUMBING BUSINESS, UH, YOUR RULES ARE GONNA, UH, DICTATE THE ZONING CODE IS GONNA DICTATE WHAT SIGN I CAN HAVE ON MY PREMISES. I'M PRETTY SURE I'D LOOK AT TODD, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE ZONING CODE WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO HAVE OFF-PREMISE SIGNAGE. IS THAT ACCURATE? PRETTY TYPICALLY? WELL, IT, IT SPECIFICALLY, UH, PROHIBITS COMMERCIAL SIGNS IN THE SI DISTRICT. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, IF I HAVE A PRIVATE BUSINESS AND I, AND, AND THE KODE SAC CAN HAVE A SIGN OF A CERTAIN SIZE, PROBABLY FORMULA ON MY BUSINESS, FOR MY BUSINESS, THE CODE WOULD NOT ALLOW ME GENERALLY TO HAVE OFFSITE OFF-PREMISE SIGNAGE, BILLBOARD SIGNAGE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY NO MATTER WHAT. WOULD I, I DO NOT THINK IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU THAT YOU CANNOT. UM, AND THE REASON IT DOESN'T IS BECAUSE OF THE CASE LAW THAT KIND OF HELD US BACK FROM BEING ABLE TO CALL OUT OFF-PREMISE SIGNS. BUT YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. I MEAN, AGAIN, TO THE, THE MAIN POINT IS THE COMMERCIAL NATURE IS PART OF THE REAL PROBLEM. CORRECT? CORRECT. BECAUSE IF I'M A BUSINESS AND I CAN PUT JASON'S PLUMBING ON THAT FENCE, THEN HOW COME I CAN'T PUT IT IN OTHER PLACES ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY? AND HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE WHERE I CAN PUT IT AND WHERE I CAN'T? SO IT'S NOT EVEN AS MUCH ABOUT THE BANNER STYLE. IT'S, AND AND WHO'S PUTTING IT UP FOR WHAT REASON? IT'S A COMMERCIAL. THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN WHEN WE SAY WHERE YOU CAN DO IT. YEAH. AND UNFORTUNATELY WHAT CHRIS WAS SAYING, THAT'S WHERE THE SUPREME COURT COMES IN. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS THAT CASE ABOUT EIGHT. I SAID THAT'S WHY THE SUPREME COURT COMES IN NINE YEARS AGO. THERE WAS A CASE. YES. AND IT SPECIFICALLY DEALT WITH THE CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT NEUTRALITY OF THE SIGNAGE. AND IT REALLY KIND OF HONED IN ON IT. REMEMBER THERE'S A, THERE'S A REAL HIGH, THE REAL HIGH END CAR DEALERSHIP, UH, BEHIND MY HOUSE. THE, THE, THE ROLLS ROYCE AND ALL THAT . YEAH. WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILT, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR LIKE FIVE SIGNS MM-HMM . AND THEN THEY ENDED UP BEING SIX DEALERSHIPS IN THERE. YEAH. AND THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER SIGN. WE SAID, NO, THIS, THE SIGNAGE IS THE SIGNAGE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT. AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU HAVE TO ADHERE OR ELSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE, WE USED TO HAVE TWO TWO BUSINESSES HERE. NOW WE GOT SIX AND WE WANT MORE SIGNS. I WALKED INTO THAT COURT CASE AS MY FIRST OH YEAH. AS MY FIRST TIME IN COURT FOR THIS JOB. SO YEAH, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE IF I HAD A PRIVATE BUSINESS SIGN AT A SERVICE INSTITUTIONAL ZONE, WHY SHOULDN'T I BE ABLE TO HAVE IT IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN MY OWN COMMERCIAL TYPE ZONE AND HAVE IT IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COMMUNITY? THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND WHAT THE, THE SUPREME SUPREME COURT CASE KIND OF SAID IS, YEAH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO START TO ALLOW CONTENT NEUTRAL, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU CAN HAVE IT HERE BUT NOT THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONTENT. AND AS A RESULT IT OPENS IT UP. YOU EITHER HAVE TO CLOSE IT DOWN MM-HMM . OR YOU REALLY MAY HAVE TO OPEN IT UP. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN. SO, SO TWO, TWO THINGS. RIGHT. WELL ACTUALLY, WELL, TWO THINGS RIGHT QUICK. UH, ONE IS ON ANNE'S POINT, AND, AND SOME JUST AS AN OBSERVATION IS LUCKILY, AND IT, I'M GONNA USE RAVEN WITH FOOTBALL AS AN EXAMPLE 'CAUSE THAT'S MY MOST RECENT FUNDRAISING AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL. BUT, UM, A REALLY GOOD VOLUNTEER MADE THE, THE OBSERVATION WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS, THAT WE NEEDED TO STOP SELLING THE SPONSORSHIPS AS ADVERTISING BECAUSE IT WASN'T ADVERTISING, IT WAS PHILANTHROPY. [01:45:01] AND WHEN WE ADOPTED THE PHILANTHROPIC MINDSET AND QUIT TRYING TO SHOW THE ADVERTISING VALUE, BUT TRIED TO BUILD VALUE IN HELPING THE SCHOOL AND THE KIDS, WE ALMOST DOUBLED WHAT WE WERE RAISING, UH, BECAUSE WE CHANGED OUR MINDSET. BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT IS NOT A BUSINESS, IT'S A PHILANTHROPY AND WE NEED TO DO IT THAT WAY. AND ALSO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE MIGHT WANNA GO AROUND THE TABLE AFTER RAY MAKES HIS COMMENTS AND JUST GET A CONSENSUS AS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, OR IF WE JUST WANNA SAY WE, WE WANNA STICK WITH THE, THE CODE THE WAY WE HAVE IT. WELL, HOW DID YOU CHANGE YOUR EVIDENCE? THIS IS INTERESTING TO ME. MM-HMM . WHAT DO YOUR SIGNAGE, WHAT DOES YOUR SIGNAGE SAY NOW? WHAT GOAT NO, NO MAPS OR BE KIND OR WHAT? NO DIFFERENCE IN THE SIGNAGE WHATSOEVER. THE DIFFERENCE WAS WAS HOW WE APPROACHED PROSPECTIVE SPONSORS AND FAMILIES AND WE SAID, YOU'RE NOT BUYING ADVERTISING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SHOW YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE STADIUM OR THE SIZE OF THE CROWDS OR THE NUMBER OF VIEWS. WE'RE SHOWING YOU WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE PROGRAM ARE. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THAT? SO YOU, SO WE, WE QUIT SELLING IT AS A ADVERTISING. WE, WE STARTED SELLING IT AS PHILANTHROPY PROGRAM. SO THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR NAME UP, RIGHT? NO, WE, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE SIGNAGE AT ALL. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONCEPT. SO I MEAN, THEY'RE STILL GETTING SOMETHING FOR THEIR NAME BEING USED. WELL, WELL, YEAH. I DON'T SEE THE COMPARISON THERE. NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN MINDSET, BECAUSE IF THEY STOP DOING THESE SIGNS, THEY HAVE TO RAISE MONEY OTHERWISE, BUT THESE SIGNS ARE UP THERE AS ADVERTISING VALUE AND I THINK WAS THE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES. THEY NEED TO THINK OF IT AS PHILANTHROPY. BUT, UH, I'M SORRY, MAY, MAY I ASK NELSON SAYING BECAUSE I I'M NOT SURE THAT SHE WAS UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU, THAT RAVEN WAS, WAS ADVERTISING TO THE ROAD WITH BANNERS LIKE THIS AND YOU JUST CHANGED THE MINDSET. YOU WEREN'T DOING THAT AT ALL. NO, NO, WE WEREN'T DOING THAT AT ALL. WE WERE IN THE STADIUM AND WE DIDN'T HAVE FIREBALLS. BUT I STILL DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDSET. IF YOU'RE SHOWING THEIR NAME. IT MAY MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD THAT YOU THINK YOU'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDSET, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU DID. THEY'RE STILL GETTING, THEY'RE STILL PAYING FOR THEIR NAME BEING SHOWN. I THINK. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT, UM, I THINK THE RESULTS WERE THERE. OH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T MAKE MORE MONEY. I'M JUST SAYING I I THINK THEY WERE STILL, UH, MARKETING THEIR NAME. I, I DO IF THEIR NAME WAS STILL THERE. YEAH. DON'T YOU THINK? NO, I DON'T THINK ATMOS ENERGY CARED A BIT ABOUT ADVERTISING THE STADIUM. I THINK THEY WERE THERE AS PHILANTHROPY, FOR EXAMPLE. OH, WELL THAT'S PRETTY NICE OUT THERE. OH, IT IS. AND AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF 'EM AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF SPONSORS THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY MARKET TO, TO BUILD BY BEING IN THE STADIUM, BUT THEY DID IT AS A PHIL PHILANTHROPIC DONATION AND THEY ACCEPTED THE RECOGNITION FOR THEIR PHILANTHROPY IN THE STADIUM. BUT IT WAS JUST A, A DIFFERENT MINDSET. WE BROUGHT IN A LOT OF SPONSORS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN APPROACH IN THE PAST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY ADVERTISING SENSE. IT WAS JUST A DONATION. OKAY. I CAN SEE THAT THE RACE STARTS, POSSIBLY, OH, SO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, LIKE OVER THE YEARS MM-HMM . ON BASEBALL FIELDS AND FOOTBALL, ALL OF THAT. AND GOING TO NELSON'S POINT, IF IF YOU TALK WITH A MARKETING EXPERT, THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF YOUR ADVERTISING DOLLARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUPPORTING YOUR COMMUNITY. YOU MAY GET A LITTLE NAME RECOGNITION, BUT YOU ARE, THOSE ARE STILL ALLOWED. CORRECT. AND I'LL DEFER TO TODD ON, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NOT. RIGHT. OKAY. THEY'RE TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NOT. BUT WE HAVE NOT ENFORCED THAT. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT IT, THEY'RE NOT CODES INSPECTORS INSPECTING INTERNAL TO PROPERTIES WITHOUT, HONESTLY, WITHOUT AN ADMINISTRATIVE INSPECTION WARRANT, WITHOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN, THAN ON A ROAD FRONT. RIGHT. BUT FROM CLARITY, TODD, YOU'RE SAYING THE SIGNS INSIDE THE FENCE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY ALLOWED FACING INSIDE. YEAH. FACING INSIDE THE FENCE. CORRECT. THE CODE DOESN'T SAY SURPRISING, VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC OR INTERNAL. IT JUST SAYS SIGNS, PERIOD, COMMERCIAL SIGNS, PERIOD BANNERS PERIOD. BUT OUR ENFORCE OUR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS ARE BETTER DIRECTED ELSEWHERE. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE'RE MORE COMPLAINT DRIVEN, COMPLAINT BASED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO AROUND. SO THESE SCHOOLS, IF THEY CAME UP WITH A METHOD OF DOING IT, BASICALLY, AND I KNOW WE OFTEN DEFER TO THE COUNTY SCHOOL PROPERTY SINCE IT BELONGS TO THE COUNTY, THEY'RE BASICALLY A HIGHER GOVERNING ENTITY. WE GENERALLY DON'T GO INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND FOOL WITH THINGS. THAT'S WHY LIKE THE SCOREBOARDS, EVEN AT RAVENWOOD AND BRENTWOOD, THE COUNTY COULD HAVE DONE THAT ANYWAY. THEY VERY NICELY DO THE YEARS DEFERRED TO BRENTWOOD, BUT DID NOT HAVE TO. SO IF THESE SCHOOLS CAN COME UP WITH A WAY OF DOING IT, WHETHER IT'S AN INTERNAL SIGN WITH JUST NAMES LISTED, LIKE WE OFTEN DO, LIKE AT THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND WHERE IT LIST TWO GAVE MONEY TO IT. UM, THEY COULD DO THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S, IT'S MORE THE, IT BEING ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND FACING OUT AND NOT BEING INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY. THAT [01:50:01] IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT, UH, DREW THE CITY'S ATTENTION TO IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO IT, IT GREW TO A POINT TO WHERE WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING. UM, JUST VISUALLY WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT, I MEAN, I MEAN, HOW IT LOOKS GETTING OFF 65 THERE AT CONCORD, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A BILLBOARD . UM, SO IT IS JUST GROWN. AND SO WE HAD TO TAKE ACTION. SO IF THEY'VE GOT A PLAYGROUND, I'M JUST CALLING THIS OUT AS AN EXAMPLE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY'VE GOT FENCING AROUND THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS DO CERTAIN AREAS, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT SIGNAGE INWARD THERE THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BOTHERED OR ALONG THE HALLWAYS INSIDE THE SCHOOL. OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. RIGHT. SO, OR IN THE GYMNASIUM, WHICH OH YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S BEEN BIG FOR RIGHT. FAN OR ADVERTISING. NOT A PROBLEM. I'M NOT GONNA SEE IT . SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO STILL FUNDRAISE IN THE SAME METHOD, BUT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, AND I KNOW THIS REAL WELL 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN UP HERE FOR 16 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH ONE OF THESE KIND OF COURT CASES AND SOMETIMES THEY GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. ONE, IT STARTED, I THINK BEFORE I BECAME A COMMISSIONER, HAVING TO DEAL WITH A BILLBOARD. AND IT WAS ABOUT 10 OR 12 YEARS BEFORE IT RESOLVED. AND VERY EXPENSIVE. VERY EXPENSIVE. UM, SO THE SCHOOLS CAN STILL, THE PTOS CAN STILL RAISE FUNDS. THEY JUST DON'T NEED TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR FENCES. AND I DO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF FULL BOARD FENCES THROUGHOUT BRENTWOOD. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT PEOPLE SUDDENLY IN A RESIDENTIAL SECTION MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, OR EVEN A SUBDIVISION TO RAISE MONEY FOR THEIR HOA ADVERTISE I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS A REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE YOU CAN GO DOWN AND IF YOU ALLOW IT IN ONE THAT IT'S, I KNOW IT'S HARD LEGALLY, EVEN IF IT'S SERVICE INSTITUTIONAL, IT'S HARD LEGALLY TO, TO, TO STOP IT. UM, SO, UM, I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN THE PAST, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN YOUR CHILDREN ARE IN SCHOOL OR YOU HAVE LOTS OF NIECES AND NEPHEWS AND GREAT NIECES AND GREAT NEPHEWS AND ALL THAT, YOU, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A BUSINESS. YOU, YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE ADVERTISING FROM YOU REALLY JUST GIVING MONEY AND BUY UNIFORMS FOR THE BASKETBALL TEAM OR, OR WHATEVER. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD STILL DO THAT TYPE OF THING. WE NOT ON A MAJOR STATE ROAD COMING RIGHT OFF OF FEDERAL HIGHWAY OR I MEAN COLLECTOR STREET OR, OR WHATEVER, SO RIGHT. WELL, SIGNAGE IN THE BUILDING. ABSOLUTELY. UM, TECHNICALLY SIGNAGE ON SPORTS FIELDS WOULD TECHNICALLY STILL BE IN VIOLATION, BUT IT, BUT IT HAPPENS AND WE HAVE NOT ENFORCED THAT. UM, IF WE WANTED TO AMEND THE CODE TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOW, UH, INWARD FACING SIGNAGE ON ATHLETIC FIELDS TO, THAT'D BE PRETTY SAFE. I MEAN, WE COULD DO THAT. YEAH. IF WE NEED THAT CLARITY AND, AND KRISTEN AGREE, WE'RE SAFE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN INTEND TO GET TO. YEAH. TO BE HONEST. AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. HONESTLY, DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT EITHER. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S AN INSTANCE WHERE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS SUPERSEDED OUR CODE AND PROBABLY WOULD CONTINUE BECAUSE IT IS INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE. AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A VAGUE, UM, COMPARISON, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN GO INTO SOMEONE'S BACKYARD WITHOUT AN INSPECTION WARRANT. MM-HMM. I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. EVEN IF IT'S LIKE, IT HAS TO BE PLAINLY VISIBLE, SOMETHING INTERNAL TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY A TICKET TO SEE THAT INTERNAL, UM, SIGN TO, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL TO THE SCHOOL, UH, PROPERTY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE DIFFERENCE LIES. SO, SO I HOPE THAT HELPS. I DON'T, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IF THEY DECIDED TO TAKE ALL THOSE SIGNS AND FLIP THEM INSIDE, OR IF OUT IN THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE WITH THE BLACK FENCES ALONG THE ROADWAYS OR CORRECT ON, ON THE HOA PROPERTY, WHATEVER, IF THEY HAD THEIR SIGNS INSIDE THAT IT'S STILL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ADVERTISING TO THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT SAME VISUAL YES. PERCEPTION FACT. YEAH. AND TO ONLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT IF WE DIDN'T MAKE A CODE CHANGE THAT WE WOULD ONLY ENFORCE IT IF IT WAS FACING THE OUTSIDE. BUT WE'LL CONTINUE WITH OUR SAYING, NOT ENFORCING IT IF IT'S INSIDE A MINUTE. I THINK WE JUST NEED, IT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE REALLY SPECIFIC TO, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO SAY WE DON'T WANNA ENFORCE A RULE, RIGHT? YEAH. IF WE THINK THE CODE PERHAPS JUST LACKS CLARITY ON INTERNAL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PROBABLY UPDATE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S [01:55:01] PROTECTED. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE INTENT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, BUT MM-HMM . THAT I'D STILL KIND GO AROUND JUST REAL QUICK AND SEE IF PEOPLE HAVE AN APPETITE FOR TRYING TO CHANGE THE CODE OR NOT CHANGE THE CODE RIGHT HERE. BECAUSE PERSONALLY I DON'T WANNA TOUCH ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IN THE MAJORITY OF THE MINORITY. SO IF WE, IF, I MEAN IF WE WANT TO END THE DISCUSSION TO GET TO THE SERVICE CENTER LUNCH, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE SIGN. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD THAT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CODE TO ALLOW THESE TYPE OF FENCE, THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING AGAIN. YEAH. I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE, I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW THE SIGNS OUTWARDLY FACING. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CODE OR ALLOW IT. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT CODE. 'CAUSE I, I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH OF THESE BATTLES ON A LARGER SCALE, NOT WITH SCHOOLS, WITH, WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE. UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED IF THERE IS A WAY TO LOOK AT CLARIFYING WHAT KIND OF ALLOW OR MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T, I'LL DEFER TO EXPERTS ON THAT. SO, BUT, AND I'D BE GLAD TO LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH. AND WELL MAYBE JUST LOOK INTO IT. NOT THAT WE DO ANYTHING. RIGHT. AT LEAST WE KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE OF LIKE EVEN OUR ALLOWING THE SIGNAGE ON THE SCOREBOARD IN BROKEN ACADEMY AND WE DO AT RAVENWOOD AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S INTERNAL. IT'S IN THE STADIUM. I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS ALLOWABLE. SO YEAH, THAT DOES LEAD ME TO ONE QUESTION. UM, WHEN WE'RE THE SCHOOL IS BUILDING A SCHOOL AND THEY COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY GRACIOUSLY ABIDE BY OUR RULES, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY ARE A COUNTY FACILITY, COUNTY PROPERTY. THAT'S THE SAME APPLY FOR THE SIGN COAST. YES MA'AM. MM-HMM . BUT, BUT, UH, SEVERAL OF US HAVE HEARD FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT THAT THEY INTEND TO ABIDE BY ASSIGNED POINTS. RIGHT. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, IS THAT NECESSARILY, SO MAYBE IT IS WORTH OUR WHILE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME STANDARDS. UH, OR THEY COULD, THE PTOS COULD GO TALK TO THEIR SUPERINTENDENT IF, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S LAWS ARE JUST FUNNY. I MEAN, PEOPLE THINK IT'S SO EASY TO DO THIS AND YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU OPEN A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. RIGHT. AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW THE BEST ROUTE TO GO. SO, AND, AND, AND BRENTWOOD TENDS TO NOT SELECTIVELY ENFORCE THE LAW. OH, I KNOW, I KNOW. WE TEND NOT TO WORK ON THAT. WELL, THANK GOD THOUGH WE HAVE NOT STARTED CRACKING DOWN ON LEMONADE STANDS. UNDERSTAND. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT IS A COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID THEY DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE CODE. IT'S NOT A VOTE, IT'S JUST A CONSENSUS. BUT YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO THEN THE SIGNS NEED TO COME DOWN. YES. SIGNS. YEAH. YEAH. WE TAKE A LOOK AT, NOW WE, WE LEAVE THIS RIGHT. YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHERE LIKE WE HAVE ALLOWED FACING, BEEN IN THE STADIUMS. SO BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, , MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR. PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA ALLOW 'EM OR THAT THAT IS ONE USE WE ARGUMENT, BUT IT HAS TO BE ATHLETIC FACILITY OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE CHRISTIAN SAID SHE'S NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE CHANGING THE CODE TO CLARIFY THAT, MAKING AN EXCEPTION. RIGHT. BUT I CAN LOOK AT EDIT AS YOU'VE DIRECTED. I'LL BE GLAD TO, TO SEE HIM. JUST MAKE SURE MAY BE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CHALLENGED. OKAY. SPECIFIC ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. THAT'S A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION. THANKS ALL. YEAH. SO WE DO OUR, UM, AT OUR NEXT MEETING. IS THAT WHEN WE GO OVER THE, UH, DONATIONS AND THINGS? GOOD QUESTION. UH, LET'S SEE. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE HAVE, BUT I THINK IT'S CHANGING. IT CHANGED SOME TODAY, SO WE'LL SEE. BUT WE HAD INITIALLY FOR THAT MEETING A GATEWAY SIGNAGE, UH, AT SOME POINT A WEBSITE REFRESH REVIEW FOR YOU THAT MEETING OR PERHAPS ONE AFTER THAT. UM, AND THEN, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUEST TO LOOK AT, UH, YOUR INTEREST IN FACADE STANDARDS FOR THE MARYLAND FARMS AREA. THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME FACADE CHANGES. THOSE ARE WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY, BUT NOW WE HAVE TWO ITEMS WE'RE GONNA MOVE IN, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. 'CAUSE WE PROBABLY WON'T GET ALL OF THOSE DONE, BUT I MEAN, FOR THE BUDGET. BUT WHAT, WHAT MEETING IS IT IN JUNE THAT WE USUALLY SOLIDIFY BEFORE THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE DENOMINATIONS AND THINGS. SO FIRST READING IS THIS, THIS COMING MONDAY, RIGHT? OF COURSE. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR SECOND MEETING IN JUNE IS WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY FORMALLY GONNA DO IT. SO WE CAN, OKAY. THAT'S WHEN WE'LL DO IT. YES MA'AM. OKAY. AT THE ING, [02:00:01] I STILL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT, THE TRANSIT THING THAT, I MEAN THEY ONLY ASKED FOR A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO KNOW AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY CUMBERLAND ASKED FOR DOUBLE. UH, THEY WANT TO DOUBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD MEALS ON WHEELS, UH, INCREASED EXPENDITURES. OKAY. SO IF IT'S RELATED MEALS JUST GOT A REASON. IT'S NOT JUST THEY DIDN'T PUT OUT THIN AIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK WE'RE AJOUR. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.