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MORNING DOUG.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing March 6, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the March 10th Agenda, the items below will be discussed: Racquet Facility - next steps Potential Veteran's Memorial - concept discussion and next steps Electronic speed signs - procedure for processing requests by HOA's Video scoreboard at Brentwood Academy This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
WE ARE GONNA START OFF MONDAY EVENING WITH A BEER BOARD MEETING.YOU HAVE ONE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA AND IT IS A REQUEST FROM HOMEWOOD SUITE BY HILTON.
UH, IT'S RIGHT NORTH OF YMCA ON MARYLAND, UH, MARYLAND WAY.
ALTHOUGH THE ADDRESS IS PETER TAYLOR PARK, IT'S JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE YMCA AND, UH, THEY HAVE A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND ARE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE YOU ORDER TO GET APPROVAL.
THAT IS A ONE ITEM FOR THE BEER BOARD.
WE'LL START THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WITH A BADGE PINNING FOR LIEUTENANT CALEB LUBBOCK, RECOGNITION OF DESIGNATED FIRE OFFICER FOR LIEUTENANT JASON SYKES.
AND THREE FIREFIGHTERS WILL RECEIVE OATH OF OFFICE FROM THE MAYOR.
HOW DOES THAT PUT YOU PERSONNEL WISE WITH THE THREE NEW ONES? FULLY FAST.
FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S TURNING THE SUNSHINE THIS MEETING.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE, I WAS TELLING ALLISON, WE'VE, THESE PROMOTIONS TOOK PLACE A BIT AGO, BUT WITH ALL GOING ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE DIDN'T WANNA TRY TO COMBINE 'EM.
WE WERE GONNA LET THEM HAVE THEIR TIME.
FIRST ITEM ON CONSENT IS AN AGREEMENT WITH PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGIES INCORPORATED FOR ASPHALT REJUVENATION.
RECALL THAT WE, UH, DID A PILOT PROJECT OF SOME 60,000 SQUARE YARDS LAST YEAR, AND TODD'S BEEN VERY SATISFIED WITH, UH, THE APPLICATION OF THAT PRODUCT.
I RECALL THAT IT IS, I LOVE TODD'S DESCRIPTION HERE IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH THAT IT'S LIKE SUNSCREEN FOR ASPHALT
IT ADDS BACK TO THE ASPHALT PART OF THE, THE CHEMICAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOST IN THE PAVING PROCESS, THUS EXTENDING THE LIFE AND THE, UH, RESILIENCE OF THE ASPHALT.
SO, UH, TODD'S NOW A BELIEVER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO ANOTHER ROUND OF REJUVENATION THIS TIME FOR ABOUT $120,000, AND THAT'S AT A COST OF ABOUT A DOLLAR 20 A SQUARE YARD.
BUT PLEASE AUTHORIZE THEM UP TO $130,000, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY FIND ADDITIONAL SECTIONS OR DOESN'T GO QUITE AS FAR, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, AND THAT'S OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
CAN I, WHILE WE'RE AT, WHILE TODD IS HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'VE BEEN MEANING TO ASK YOU, AND I NEVER THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL I'M COMING HOME FROM A MEETING HERE AT NIGHT ON LIPSCOMB DRIVE IN THE DAYTIME, WHEN YOU TURN RIGHT FROM FRANKLIN ROAD, I MEAN, CONCORD OWNED THE LIPSCOMB.
YOU SEE THAT AREA WHERE YOUR CAR GOES, CAR BLOCKED LIKE THAT, THE GAS AT NIGHT, YOU FORGET ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S LIKE MY AXLE'S GONNA BREAK INTO, WHAT IS THAT? THERE'S A, THERE WAS A GAS REPAIR SOME TIME AGO THAT I THINK HAS BEGUN TO SETTLE.
COMB IS SCHEDULED FOR ENTIRE RESURFACING IN THE COMING YEAR.
BUT THAT'S A LITTLE WAYS OFF HERE.
I'M SAYING THE REST OF THE ROAD IS, IS IT'S LITERALLY BUMPY AND WAVY.
IT'S THE WHOLE, WHOLE EXTENT OF THE STREET.
YESTERDAY I TOLD YOU WE WENT TO COSTCO, WE WERE COMING HOME, WE WERE BEHIND THE SWEEPER TRUCK.
AND EVEN RHONDA, AS MUCH AS SHE KNOWS ABOUT THE CITY AND TALK, SHE'S LIKE, OH YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THE SWEEPER TRUCK.
MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO FOCUS AN ARTICLE ON THE SWEEPER TRUCK.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF A QUIET AMENITY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BRENTWOOD THAT MAYBE WE COULD PLAY UP BECAUSE I MEAN, THINGS WORK.
THEY WERE WORKING HARD YESTERDAY AND UH, THEY'RE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT GENERALLY GOES UNNOTICED OR UN COMMENTED ON UNTIL IT HASN'T BEEN AROUND FOR A MINUTE.
I CAN WORK WITH CHARLES ON THAT.
OH, SPEAKING OF WIND FROM THOSE VENTS SITTING HERE LAST NIGHT AND OUR CUPS, THEY HAD SOME PLASTIC CUPS.
YOU COULD LITERALLY SEE THE LIQUID MOVING IN THE CUPS FROM THE, FROM THE AIR BLOWING UP THERE.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING.
THAT'S PRETTY STRONG WHAT YOU SAY.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE VENTS UHHUH
IT WAS BLOWING DOWN ON 'EM AND THE LIQUID IN THE CUPS WAS ACTUALLY MOVING.
DO YOU FEEL IT THIS MORNING? NO, NO, IT'S FINE.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.
MINE IN MY HOUSE DOESN'T DO THAT
YOU CAN'T DIRECT THE VENT AT ALL, I BELIEVE.
DO WE HAVE A NEW UNIT UP THERE OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER THE CHANGE WOULD BE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IF YOU FIND IT TO BE PROBLEMATIC, LET US KNOW AND I'LL GET BRENT ON IT.
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RIGHT.SO, OH YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S, UH, WE'VE GOT A MAP UP THERE OF OUR PAVING LIST FROM 2025 AND OF COURSE WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE, THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO OF ROADS.
UM, ADD THAT PRODUCT TO NEXT ITEM.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING US TO PUT A HOLD ON A BUCKET TRUCK, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPEARING IN YOUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR 26.
THOUGH, UH, WITH KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT TODD HAS UNCOVERED WITH THE LONG LEAD TIMES ON MANUFACTURING, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU ALLOW US TO PURCHASE THIS ALTECH A T 41 M UH, LIFT, WHICH WILL BE ON A FORD 600 CHASSIS, UH, THROUGH GLOBAL RENTAL COMPANY.
THEY HAVE THIS MANUFACTURED AND IT'S TO EXPECT THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR PURPOSES, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE NEEDING IT.
SO IT'LL BE COMPLETED SOMETIME THIS MONTH AND THIS WILL BE AUTHORIZED FOR THAT PURCHASE.
WE'VE ACCUMULATED $140,000 IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND FOR THIS, UM, VEHICLE TO BE REPLACED NEXT YEAR.
SO THE ADDITIONAL 58 2 63 WILL BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR END TRANSFER, UH, FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND TO COVER THAT ADDITIONAL COST.
AND THEN IF ANY BUDGET AMENDMENT IS NECESSARY, IT'LL BE INCLUDED.
QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF OR TODD ON THAT ONE.
SO THIS IS THE SAME TRUCK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST MONTH WE PULLED ON? YES SIR.
AND THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE TRUCK RIGHT THERE.
NOTHING ON OLD BUSINESS, A NEW BUSINESS.
WE HAVE THE REZONING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT IS REQUIRED FOR FOX ONE HALL, SORT OF A CLEANUP, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT.
THIS WAS DISCOVERED AS A PART OF THE DR. WEST REZONING THAT 30 ACRES IS ZONED R TWO IN FOX ONE HALL INSTEAD OF OSRD.
AND I'VE GOT A MAP HERE TO KIND OF SHOW YOU.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DARK OLD OSRD AND IT'S R TWO, UH, HOW IT GOT LIKE THAT.
NOT ENTIRELY SURE IF IT WAS A MAPPING ERROR OR SOME SORT OF SCRIVENER'S ERROR, BUT IT IS.
UM, SCHEDULE FOR THAT IS THE COMMUNITY MEETING ON APRIL 3RD.
APRIL 7TH, GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO YOU ON THE 14TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN ON THE 28TH IT'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SECOND FINAL READING.
THIS IS THE REQUIRED SEATED OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? YES SIR.
IT'S, UM, THIS SOMETHING WE JUST PUT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
I MEAN, IS THERE ANY REASON TO NOT HAVE IT ON CONSENT? TYPICALLY, KRISTEN, FOR FIRST READING? FOR FIRST READING, IT SHOULD BE ON NEW BUSINESS.
BUT THEN SECOND READING WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU CAN BE ON CONSENT.
Y'ALL HAVE TO PUT SIGNS OUT, RIGHT? OFFICIALLY? YES.
WE HAVE TO SEND OUT CERTIFIED MAILINGS ALSO.
IN THAT, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA SAY THERE'S NO, NO ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE JUST CLEANING UP THE, THE ZONING TO MATCH WHAT'S IN THERE.
AND Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY TALKED WITH THE HOA SO MOST PEOPLE AROUND THERE SHOULD KNOW, RIGHT? YES.
SEE, I HAD TO MEET WITH THE HOA.
YEAH, ACTUALLY THEY HAD AN ANNUAL MEETING I SPOKE AT.
AND THEN WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE HOA AUTHORIZING US TO MOVE BOARD WITH THIS.
SO NO SURPRISES THAT WE SHOULDN'T GET ANY NO SURPRISES CALLS WHEN SIGNS GO UP.
AND THAT'S A MAP OF ALL THEIR OPEN SPACE.
SO WHERE WOULD THE SIGN ACTUALLY BE? I'M GONNA PUT ONE THERE AT HUNTER'S LANE.
YOU SEE THE LITTLE 50 FOOT STRIP? YEP.
OF GREEN THAT CONNECTS RIGHT THERE.
I'LL PROBABLY PUT ANOTHER ONE THERE.
UH, ON SPLIT RAIL ON THE SOUTHERN CORNER OF THE OPEN SPACE THERE.
AND YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS TO APPOINT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
THERE ARE FOUR TO CHOOSE FROM.
TWO INCUMBENTS AND TWO NEW APPLICANTS.
SO COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION.
FIRST OF WHICH, UH, TODD IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT HE AND I WERE TALKING AND DECIDED WE NEEDED SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU WITH REGARD TO LESS, IF WE GET FROM HOAS TO PUT UP THESE SPEED SIGNS THAT ARE SOLAR POWERED AND ARE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR SPEED IS VERSUS WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF AUTHORIZING THEIR INSTALLATION? THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY.
UH, BUT DO YOU FEEL A NEED FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? OR CAN TODD WORK WITH THE HOAS AND DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR THEM AND DO IT ON THE STAFF SIDE? IS THERE ANY BUDGET IMPACT? JUDGE? I THINK STAFF THAT'S MORE EXPERT AT THAT.
SO I, I TRUST OUR STAFF TO, TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THEY ALWAYS, I'M SURE Y'ALL WORK IN CONJUNCTION ALSO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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YOU KNOW, SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF, UH, AS A FORMALITY TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL.THIS HASN'T HAPPENED TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS.
TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKSTORY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH MIKE HARRIS THAT ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, THE BROOKFIELD SUBDIVISION PUT UP SOME OF THESE SIGNS.
THE CITY APPROVED THE LOCATION, THEIR ENTIRELY THE HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY AND COST TO MAINTAIN, BUT WE JUST VERIFY THE LOCATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE AND THAT THEY ARE M-U-T-C-D COMPLIANT.
THEY'RE THE SAME THING THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT USES IN OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT THERE WON'T BE MOBILE APPLICATION, THERE'LL BE A PERMANENT LOCATION.
UM, SO WE HADN'T REALLY HAD ANY SINCE THEN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNTRY CLUB WHO INSTALLED THEM WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE.
WE LEARNED IT A BIT AFTER THE FACT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY INSTALLED AND THEY ARE THE APPROPRIATE SIGNS.
SO IT WAS KIRK'S DETERMINATION AT THAT TIME.
NO HARM, NO FOUL KIND OF THING.
NOW THAT THEY SEEM TO BE GROWING IN POPULARITY, UH, WE JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION IF YOU ALL WANNA VIEW THAT AND COMMENT ON IT AS A FORMALITY OR IF WE SHOULD JUST DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
ARE THEY ON A POLE OR ARE THEY YES MA'AM.
THEY GOING IN BASICALLY WHERE ANOTHER, A TRADITIONAL SPEED SIGN ALREADY IS THAT THESE ARE NOT, UM, REPLACING CURRENT SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE GOING ADJACENT TO HOA COMMON SPACE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOME.
UM, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AND TRY AND ADVISE THE HOA ON THAT.
UM, THEY'RE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS THERE, APPROPRIATE SIGNS.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DO WE WANNA ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR TODD OR FOR KRISTEN.
DO WE HAVE REGULATORY AUTHORITY HERE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ASKING US AS A COURTESY AND WE'RE HELPING THEM OUT AS A COURTESY TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE? WELL, WHENEVER THEY LOCATE SOMETHING PERMANENTLY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF PERMIT TO DO SO.
AND IF IT'S A SPEED CONTROL SIGN, I WOULD SAY WE DO HAVE REGULAR, UH, REG, I CAN'T SAY IT, BUT YEAH, SO, SO IF WE'VE GOT APPROPRIATE REGULATORY AUTHORITY AND WE'RE NOT ADDING THE BUREAUCRACY JUST ON A WHIM, I'D SAY CERTAINLY, UH, FROM MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE, HELPING 'EM OUT TO BE SURE THEY'RE SAFE, PROPERLY LOCATED.
I, I IMAGINE TENNESSEE HAS SOME DEGREE OF A GUIDELINE FOR HOW FAR OUT OF THE ROAD THAT YOU NEED TO BE AND DIFFERENT STUFF JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T CREATE A A, THE SAFETY PROBLEM.
WE FOLLOW M-U-T-C-D GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE PUBLISHED BY, UH, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.
SO YEAH, SO MUCH BETTER FOR US TO HELP WITH THAT, TO MAKE THE HOA TRY TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
THE, UM, JUST ON A SIDE NOTE, THE, THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF TRAFFIC CALMING, LIKE SPEED TABLES AND SPEED HUMPS, IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR POLICY THAT YOU ALL WILL HAVE KIND OF THAT FORMAL APPROVAL BEFORE THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED.
IT'S GENERALLY KIND OF A RUBBER STAMP, SO TO SPEAK, BUT JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY AND MAYBE WE NEED TO ADOPT ONE.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD THINK IF WE ARE, ALLOW SOME GUIDELINES TO HELP THE HOAS ON THE WEBSITE TO KINDA LOOK, OKAY, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS, HERE'S WHO YOU NEED TO CONTACT.
YOU NEED A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND JUST KIND OF LINE IT OUT SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH THEM HAPHAZARDLY.
BUT I THINK Y'ALL CAN GO OUT AND BETTER ASSESS IF IT'S OKAY.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE TO GUIDE RESIDENTS SO THEY DON'T PUT 'EM UP JUST WILLINGLY.
AND TO THAT POINT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE TYPES AND LEVELS OF, UH, THESE SIGNS.
UM, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT HAVE CAMERAS INSTALLED.
THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT HAVE LICENSE PLATE READERS INSTALLED.
UM, THERE ARE ONES THAT ARE CELLULAR, UM, UM, CONNECTIVITY.
UH, AND SO THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR ALL OF THIS DATA, UH, OUT THERE.
UM, AND I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A PRIVATE PARTY RUNNING RADAR, UH, ON A PUBLIC STREET.
UM, AND SO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND TYPES OF SIGNS AND WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED.
SO TO YOUR POINT, YES, THEY'RE ALL USING RADAR TO GATHER YOUR SPEED AS YOU APPROACH.
UM, PERSONALLY I KIND OF HAVE SOME MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK IN SOME CASES, LESS MATURE DRIVERS MAY PUSH THE SPEED A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN GET TO REGISTER.
UHHUH WILL GO, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT COMPLAINT BEFORE.
I'VE, I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE HOA ABOUT THAT.
THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME THAT HAVE LPRS BUILT INTO 'EM.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LIKE THAT, BUT THEY, THEY PROBABLY DO EXIST.
UM, THESE SIGNS WILL GATHER LOCAL DATA ONLY.
THESE RECOMMENDED SIGNS DON'T HAVE ANY CELLULAR,
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UM, CAPACITY.AND HONESTLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE HOA HAS THE INTEREST IN GATHERING THAT DATA.
YOU MEAN LOCAL DATA? IT MEANS IT'S STORED WITHIN THE SIGN.
IT'S NOT COMMUNICATED EXTERNALLY.
SO, UM, YOU MAY REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THE CITY INSTALLED SIMILAR SIGNS ON JOHNSON CHAPEL ROAD WEST.
THOSE PARTICULAR SIGNS STORE LOCAL DATA ONLY IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS DIDN'T GO OUT AND CONNECT THE LAPTOP TO IT TO DOWNLOAD THAT DATA, IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE TO ANYBODY.
AND THAT WE DON'T GATHER THE DATA FROM THOSE SIGNS.
SO IT'S MORE OR LESS JUST A, A CUE TO DRIVERS TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TOO FAST.
UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THIS.
UM, BOTH YELLOW, YOUR SPEED KIND OF FRAME OR WHITE, YOUR SPEED FRAME ARE MU TWO CITY APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE CONFIRMING IS THAT IT MEETS THOSE GUIDELINES.
UM, WHETHER YOU USE YELLOW OR WHITE IS KIND OF A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.
SO YEAH, JUST WHATEVER'S CONSISTENT WITHIN THE CITY, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE MAKE SURE THE, THE SIGN IS JUST THE SIGNALING, UH, COMPONENT.
UM, 'CAUSE ONCE YOU START TO GET INTO TAKING THE PICTURES, UH, AND THEN THE CELLULAR CAPABILITY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SEND THAT PICTURE OF THAT SPEEDING CAR, UH, SOMEWHERE, UM, YOU GET INTO A WHOLE NOTHER UH, AGREED REALM.
I THINK IF YOU PUT ALL THAT ON THE WEBSITE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CONTACT YOU OR SOMEBODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT JUST TO GET THAT PERMIT, I THINK.
IF WE DO GUIDELINES, WE CAN, I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE GUIDELINES.
LET'S TRANSLATE THIS A STEP FURTHER.
I REALIZE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN OVERNIGHT SENSATION, YOU KNOW, BUT SUPPOSE A NON HOA NEIGHBORHOOD SYSTEM, THEY'VE GOT THAT.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SPEED HUMPS.
UM, THERE'S A COST PARTICIPATION COMPONENT OF THAT.
AND SO NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE, UH, RIVER OAKS ARE YOURS IN THEORY COULD QUALIFY FOR SPEED HUMPS.
BUT YOU'D EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A VERY GENEROUS HOMEOWNER THAT WANTED TO FUND IT THEMSELVES OR TRYING WHAT I'M GETTING TO CREATE, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPECT THE CITY TO SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA, SO HOW DO WE GET ONE? IT'S NOT OUR STANDARD TO HAVE THOSE, OR WE'D HAVE THEM ON ALL THE RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE ONE GROUP HAS SOMETHING SURE.
WHAT DO THEY COST, TODD? THESE ARE NOT CHEAP.
UH, PROBABLY ABOUT $2,500 OF LOCATION.
SO TO THAT END, COULD YOU ALSO ADD SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IN THE WEBSITE SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN KNOW? IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN HOA, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS.
BUT YOU NEED TO CALL PUBLIC COURTS.
HOWEVER, WHATEVER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LAY IT ALL OUT ON THE WEBSITE, BUT JUST MAKE THAT CLEAR.
AND I, RESIDENTS ASK US QUESTIONS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, IT'S SUPER EASY FOR US TO REFERENCE THE WEBSITE AND TO SAY WHERE IT IS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BOTHER YOU AND GET THAT FIRST STEP GOING.
SO HAVING IT THERE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
CHARLES HAVE YOU THAT TWO FOR TWO, BUT AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WEIGH IT IN ON WHETHER THEY THINK THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE HELPFUL OR DO THEY HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
HAVE YOU? I, AGAIN, I HAVE MIXED THOUGHTS ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR TRAFFIC, UM, COUNTER TYPE SIGNS.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT USES THEM AS PART OF THEIR SPEED CAMPAIGNS AND TO MEASURE AND COLLECT DATA ABOUT SPEEDING IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AS YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ENTIRELY EFFECTIVE AT SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN OR NOT.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHEN I'VE TALKED TO HICKEY AND COLVIN AND SO FORTH IN THE PAST, AND THEY'VE PUT 'EM IN KIND OF TEMPORARILY, THEY SAY THE REASON THEY MOVE SOME OF THOSE AROUND IS BECAUSE AFTER A WHILE IT JUST DOESN'T WANT, THEY IGNORE IT.
AND SO IT'S A, THAT'S WHY THEY MOVE 'EM TO KIND OF ALERT PEOPLE.
IT, IT PROBABLY IS MOST EFFECTIVE IN THE FIRST WEEK OR TWO.
AND THEN ONCE PEOPLE REALIZE THERE'S NOT AN ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT OF THAT, NOT TO SAY THERE COULDN'T BE WITH THE POLICE SIGNS, BUT WE DO NOT DO THAT CURRENTLY, THEN PEOPLE KIND OF BECOME NUMB TO IT, MY FEELING.
THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION ON THAT.
WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION DURING THE BUDGET KICKOFF ABOUT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT.
LET ME GO TELL HIM I CAN'T TALK TO HIM.
AND BECAUSE SHE WASN'T AT THAT MEETING, I REALLY WANT HER TO HEAR.
DO YOU MIND IF I JUST PAUSE FOR
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JUST A MOMENT? THAT'S FINE.AND SEE IF SHE COMES BACK 'CAUSE SHE WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR THIS PART.
GO TO THE NEXT THING OR SOMETHING.
UH, THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN CONTACTED BY BRENTWOOD ACADEMY ASKING, UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT THEY CAN DO A VIDEO SCOREBOARD SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AT OTHER SCHOOLS.
AND CURRENTLY THE CODE IS A BARRIER TO THEM BEING ABLE TO PUT IN SOMETHING FOR THE, THE REASON OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
UM, THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS, WHEN THE CITY DID NOT ELECT TO CHANGE THE CODE TO ALLOW, WE MOVED ON.
ANN, JUST TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
UM, WHEN THE CITY ELECTED NOT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE CODE FOR THOSE SCHOOLS TO DO THEIR VIDEO SCOREBOARDS, WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS OPTED TO USE THEIR EXEMPTION FROM OUR RULES TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE SCOREBOARDS.
AND SO, MAYOR, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE BA FEELS LIKE MAYBE THIS IS SORT OF DISPARATE TREATMENT, ALTHOUGH NOT INTENTIONAL ON THE CITY'S PART.
WE WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED THE SAME AS THE SCHOOLS.
THEY CAME TO ME TOO LAST YEAR.
SO AND SO I SAID SOMETHING TOO, WHILE WE COULD SAY, WELL, WE WERE TREATING YOU THE SAME, IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE A GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD THIS WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS DOES.
YOU, YOU DON'T ENJOY THE SAME EXEMPTION.
UH, THE QUESTION I GUESS WE'LL PUT TO YOU IS, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO? WELL, WASN'T THIS, I FEEL LIKE KURT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER SCOREBOARDS WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THERE WAS A WHOLE KIND OF SIGN ISSUE THAT IF WE DO OPEN THIS UP TO THIS PRIVATE SCHOOL DOESN'T OPEN IT UP TO US HAVING TO ALLOW OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL, ANY OTHER FOR-PROFIT, YOU COULD DO IT IN THAT ZONE.
THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE SI ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO ATHLETIC FIELDS.
ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, THEY ALSO WERE LOOKING AT DOING THIS LONG BEFORE IT WAS DONE IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEIR ATHLETIC FIELDS ARE CLOSE TO NEIGHBORS.
MOST OF 'EM WERE FOR IT, BUT THERE WERE SOME WHO WEREN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED THE SOUND WOULD BE TOO LOUD.
SO, UM, BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T MIND AT THAT POINT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T PURSUE IT.
IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, THE THEY WERE GONNA GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND DECIDE LIKE, I GUESS DECIBELS AND HOW FAR THE SOUND WOULD GO OUT OR WHATEVER.
BUT THEN I NEVER HEARD MORE ABOUT IT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT OCCURRED.
OF COURSE, THAT WAS ENOUGH YEARS AGO.
THE NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE ALL CHANGED, OR NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT SOME OF 'EM MAY HAVE CHANGED IN THAT AREA.
SO I WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE SOUNDS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, BECAUSE BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND RAVENWOOD HIGH SCHOOL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WHERE THEIR FOOTBALL STADIUMS ARE, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF HOUSES.
BUT BRENTWOOD ACADEMY, BECAUSE JOHNSON CHAPEL ROAD AND ALL OF THAT HAS SEVERAL HOUSES RIGHT THERE AT IT.
I MEAN, THE SCHOOLS, WHAT, WHO POINTED THAT OUT TO ME YEARS AGO WHEN I HAD DISCUSSIONS? WELL, WITHIN THIS SECTION, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO AN HOUR BEFORE AN ATHLETIC EVENT.
AND THEN 30 MINUTES AFTER, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN BE OPERATED.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT, WELL WHAT IF SCHOOL WANTS TO DO A MOVIE NIGHT ON A TUESDAY? YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO ATHLETIC EVENTS.
AND THEN JAY, WE DO HAVE SOME MEASUREMENTS.
I WANT, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE'VE GOT THE PROXIMITY TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL SHOW.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION TOO ABOUT THIS AND WHAT WE ALLOW AT BHS.
UM, THEIR BASEBALL FIELD, LET'S SAY THE BASEBALL TEAM WANTS TO HAVE A SCOREBOARD AND IT IS LITERALLY IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY LIMITS ON HOW MANY A SCHOOL CAN HAVE AND WHERE ON THEIR PROPERTY IS THERE A SETBACK, UH, AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE NEED? CONSIDER THOSE.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.
IT, IT DOES NOT LIMIT THE NUMBER.
IT TALKS ABOUT ATHLETIC FIELDS.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY FOOTBALL.
UM, I COULD SEE SOCCER AND BASEBALL GROWING AND WANTING AND THERE'S NO DISTANCE FROM ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL OR, OR HOUSES CURRENTLY.
I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS PATH, MAYBE WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE MAYBE THE FOOTBALL RAISE POINT FOOTBALL AT RAVENWOOD AND BHS, MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER FROM
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THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S WHAT MADE ME GO, OH, BUT BASEBALL'S RIGHT THERE AT MCGAVICK.AND SO I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO
SO IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU GUYS A GRAPHIC REAL QUICK.
UM, JUST SHOWING YOU RAVENWOOD, THE PROXIMITY TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL FROM THE EXISTING SCOREBOARD AND THEN KIND OF FROM THE OTHER END ZONE MAYBE WAS KIND OF BLESSED WITH THEIR BASEBALL FIELD.
'CAUSE IT'S NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BASEBALL
THE BACK UP TO WE'RE LIKE LITERALLY TO MCGAVICK.
BUT, BUT ALSO BASEBALL DOESN'T HAVE THE CASH FLOW TO SUPPORT A BOARD LIKE THAT.
THOSE BOARD ARE LIKE QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR NO, I KNOW.
BUT PROPOSITIONS, I'M JUST THINKING DOWN THE LINE.
AND AND ONE THING TO REMIND ABOUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS THEY CAN DO IT.
SO, SO ADDING SOMETHING TO OUR CODE WOULD, FOR THE SI ZONE WOULD BE FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
W CS IS GOING, THEY CAN, THEY CAN'T DO IT.
AND THERE'S JUST WANTED TO BRENTWOOD THAT AS FAR AS THE CONCERNS.
WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEMAND OF A PUBLIC SCHOOL IS TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THEIR COOPERATION.
BUT ON A PRIVATE SCHOOL, WHICH USUALLY IS A SMALLER CAMPUS, NOW THERE ARE SOME BIG PRIVATE SCHOOL CAMPUSES.
MAYBE WE COULD SAY ONE SCOREBOARD PER SCHOOL.
AND I THINK, I FEEL NOT TO PUT WORDS IN COMMISSIONER MC MILLER'S MOUTH, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
AND THEY COULD PICK THE SPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY.
AND USUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST MONEY ANYWAY, WHICH IS FOOTBALL AND THEIR DIRECTIONALITY, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL, UH, IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY YOU POINT, UH, THE SCOREBOARD, UH, BECAUSE THAT DEALS WITH NOISE AND UH, AND LIGHT ISSUES AS WELL.
SO LIKE TO, TO YOUR POINT, SUSANNA, RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE PROXIMITY'S.
SO REMEMBER IT WAS MUCH TIGHTER THERE BECAUSE THE HOUSES ARE JUST RIGHT UP AT THE CAMPUS MM-HMM
BECAUSE THE CAMPUS WAS SET IN THERE.
AND I THINK SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS WAS DEEDED AS SOMEONE LEFT THE HOUSE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO DHS? IS, I WANNA LOOK AT THE FEET.
I MEAN THAT'S A LOT MORE LIKE HUNDRED 50 MORE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, WHERE THEIR SCOREBOARD IS.
I MEAN THAT'S 7 51 TO THE CLOSEST HOUSE.
AND LOOK, UM, GO BACK TO BA OR BRENTWOOD, UH, HIGH SCHOOL, UM, DIRECTIONALLY, UM, IT'S NOT POINTING, UH, TOWARD THE 7 51 HOME.
UH, IT'S POINTING, UH, TOWARDS MURRAY LANE.
SO IS THERE A WAY WITHIN WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO TO FORCE A CONFIGURATION, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IF THEY PUT IT OVER HERE, IF THEY PUT IT NEAR WHERE THE 4 85 IS AND IT'S POINTING THAT WAY, THAT MAY NOT BE AT ALL WHERE THEY WANT IT.
BUT
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF VEGETARIAN, UH, SCREENING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD IT IS WINTERTIME, BUT YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE SOUTH END OF THE END ZONE AND AT LEAST BE MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT I FIGURE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST AFFECTED BY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE SCOREBOARD IS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
FROM, SO IT'S POINTING THE LONG DIRECTION.
THAT WOULD MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT, WELL THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF VEGETATION.
UH, BHS HAS THE STEM BUILDING CORRECT.
UM, HAVING EXPERIENCED THE BHS SCOREBOARD, WALKING BEHIND IT AND ALSO IN FRONT OF IT, WHILE IT'S VERY ACTIONABLE
SO IF IT'S, IF AT THE, IF FBA IT'S IN THE NORTH END ZONE, THEN THE WHOLE CAMPUS HAS A SPOT TO ABSORB THE LIGHT AND SOUND AS OPPOSED TO IF IT WAS IN THE SOUTH END ZONE GOING THAT WAY.
UM, JUST A POINT, I I, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON WHICH WAY IT SHOULD GO, BUT IT, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WHEN LIGHT AND SOUND WHEN YOU'RE IN FRONT OF IT AND BEHIND IT.
WELL, O OTHER THAN THAT ONE HOUSE AT THE 3 0 3 MARK, THOSE ARE BHS, THAT IS BHS PROPERTY UP TO THE BA PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
YOU REALLY ADD, YOU REALLY ADD 300 FEET TOO TO THAT, TO THAT 3 0 3 WHEN YOU COME DOWN SOUTH.
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YOU KNOW, DOWN HERE WHERE YOU'RE MEASURING FIVE 50 AND 4 85, IT'S 300 FEET UP TO THE 3 0 3.AND IF YOU SET IT BACK CLOSE TO WHERE THE, THE LITTLE, UH, USUALLY POLE VAULTS THERE OR THE HIGH JUMP TRACK INDENTION THERE, IF YOU PUT IT THERE AND YOU ANGLED IT A LITTLE BIT THIS WAY, IT GOES TOWARDS THE SCHOOL'S CAMPUS.
AND IT GOES TOWARDS OFFICE BUILDINGS TOO.
BUT YEAH, I I NOTICED THAT TOO.
FOOTBALL FIELD AT LEAST 300 FEET.
SO I BELIEVE THIS IS THE EXISTING SCOREBOARD.
YOU CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THEIR INTENT WOULD BE MAYBE TO GO IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT'S, AND THAT THE POWER THERE AND EVERYTHING.
IT, IT MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO CODE IT THAT WAY, BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT FOR NEIGHBORS NOISE LIGHT AND EVERYTHING, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE ANGLED.
THAT WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE A-A-A-A-A NORTH BY NORTHEAST ANGLE SO THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS THE HOUSE WHERE IT WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE SCHOOL BUILDING AND THEN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ACROSS GRANDVIEW WHITE THAT WAY.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WITH THAT, IF WE ALLOW 'EM TO PUT IT ON THAT SOUTH SIDE AND AT AN ANGLE, LIKE RAY SAID, IT HAS TO BE ONE SIDED.
'CAUSE I COULD SEE IF THE POLL'S ALREADY THERE, LET'S JUST ADD THE SCREENS TO THE BACKSIDE TOO.
SO THE BASEBALL FIELD CAN, THAT, THAT OPENS UP THAT WHOLE, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IF WE ALLOW IT.
BUT I WANNA BACK UP FOR A SECOND TO THE SI THAT ZONING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOW HAVING ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
YOU'RE SAYING IT CAN ONLY GO IN AS THE CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS IN SI ZONING.
WHERE ELSE DO WE HAVE CHURCHES, OTHER SCHOOL OR CHURCHES THAT ARE FIELDS THAT ARE GONNA ALSO COME BACK AND ASK FOR THIS? WHERE IF WE ALLOW IT HERE, WHERE ELSE ARE WE POTENTIALLY ALLOWING IT? AND AS THE NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION LOOKS LIKE, THERE MAY BE CHURCHES WHO WANT TO START ACADEMIES WITHIN THEIR BUILDINGS AND ADD PRACTICE FIELDS OR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UM, THERE ALSO MIGHT BE PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT ARE STARTING THE PRESSURE IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOL AREA RIGHT NOW.
MANY MORE PEOPLE WANT IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THEN THEY HAVE OPTIONS FOR THEM TO BE IN.
AND SO I CAN FORESEE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THERE MAY BE NEW SCHOOLS COMING AND WE HAVE THESE ZONINGS THAT MAY, THERE'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR IN BRENT TO PUT A SCHOOL IN.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10 OR 15 ACRES.
SO DEPENDING ON, IT'S NOT MANY.
THERE ARE, I THINK IT'S ABOVE, ABOVE THAT.
I THINK IT'S 20 HUGE CHURCH, IT MAY BE 25 HOURS.
I REMEMBER, 'CAUSE A CHURCH APPROACHED ME YEARS AGO ABOUT IT, 25 FOR AN ELEMENTARY AND 50 FOR, AND I RESEARCHED BELOW 25.
JEFF DO SAID, AND HE WAS LIKE, NO, YOU GOT IT.
HE JUST PULLED IT RIGHT UP AND SAID THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
I FORGET WHAT ACREAGE WAS, BUT IT, AND I SAID, OH, OKAY.
AND SO THAT MADE IT VERY, THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES, THERE'S NOT MANY FACILITIES IN BRENTWOOD, EVEN CHURCHES THAT HAVE THAT MUCH ACRES.
THERE ARE A FEW, BUT NOT MANY COMMISSIONERS.
IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THAT THIS REQUEST IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION SEEMS REASONABLE, THE DISTANCES SEEM REASONABLE, WE CAN DRAW THE, THE LINE, IF YOU WILL, IN THE CODE SUCH THAT THIS WOULD COMPLY.
BUT ANYTHING THAT IS CLOSER WOULD BE YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE CODE AGAIN, GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ANY FUTURE REQUESTS, MUCH LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS ONE TO SEE IF IT, IF IT FITS, SO WE COULD MAKE THIS COMPLY.
WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A REZONING REQUEST? MM-HMM.
WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING YOU COULD PUT IN FOR YOU AT LEAST NOTIFY RESIDENTS WITHIN SO MANY FEET SO THEY AT LEAST HAVE INPUT.
THIS IS A STRAIGHT CODE ISSUE AND UH, KRISTEN STEPPED OUT.
BUT YOU, THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY REALLY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND I KNOW LAST TIME I THIS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO, DISCUSSED WITH 'EM, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN ALL THE NEIGHBORS BEING HAPPY, GETTING THEM ALL TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO I, I THINK BRENTWOOD ACADEMY DOES DUE DILIGENCE ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY WELL, NOW WHAT WE, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS DIRECT STAFF, WHICH END THEY WANT, WOULD PREFER IT BE AT.
AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER YET.
I'M JUST MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THEY PUT IT WHERE THE CURRENT ONE IS.
BUT YOU COULD DIRECT STAFF THAT BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US WITH A PROPOSAL, STAFF GO OUT AND SOLICIT THE OPINION FROM THE NEIGHBORS SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL TO INFORM YOU IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF CHANGING THE CODE.
WELL I REMEMBER WHEN THEY EXPANDED THAT FIELD AND ALL AND GOT ALL THE LIGHTS AND AT FIRST PEOPLE WERE REALLY APPREHENSIVE.
I REMEMBER LANDMARK PARTICULARLY BEING SO CLOSE TO THEM, AND YET ALL THE NEIGHBORS SEEMS TO HAVE SEEMED TO HAVE ADJUSTED AND THE SCHOOL WORKED
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WITH 'EM.AND I MEAN, IT WENT WELL, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY GONNA BE THE CASE HERE, BUT THEY DID.
I, I REMEMBER HEARING, I DIDN'T EITHER, HOW DO PEOPLE CALL ME AND QUESTION ME ON THE FRONT END AND, AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU NOW'S THE TIME TO SPEAK UP OR WHATEVER.
BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY, AND THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND THEN I, EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.
THE SCHOOL IS NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, I GUESS.
THEY TRY TO BE ANYWAY, I THINK.
AND, AND I THINK THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SCHOOL FRIENDLY AS WELL, RIGHT.
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT MOVED THERE FOR THAT SCHOOL.
UM, AND I, I, I JUST MADE THE COMMENT, I MEAN A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK FIGURING OUT A WAY TO HELP THE SCHOOL DO SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY GOOD.
AND I LIKE THE, THE DIRECTION OF THE, THE PROBLEM SOLVING.
UM, AND I'M, I'M CERTAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DOZEN OR A COUPLE DOZEN HOMES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT FOR SURE.
UM, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH RAVENWOOD AND BRENTWOOD IS UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS A CONCERN WAS ACCIDENTALLY OPENING THE DOOR FOR DIGITAL BILLBOARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE SCREEN AT VHS, UM, THAT SCREEN IS TECHNOLOGICALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN A 14 BY 48 DIGITAL BILLBOARD.
AND I'M SORRY KRISTEN ISN'T SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE CONTENT ON TECHNOLOGY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS THING BE TECHNOLOGICALLY IDENTICAL TO 14 BY 48 BILLBOARD AND BE PERMITTED.
AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE CONTENT OF THE SCOREBOARD BEING SPORTS WARS AND THE, AND THE BILLBOARD BEING ADVERTISING.
UM, I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY CONSCIENTIOUS AS WE DO THIS, THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY OPEN UP THE DOOR TO HAVE VIDEO BILLBOARDS, VIDEO BILLBOARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
WELL MAYBE I AM JUST SAYING, I WANNA BE SURE BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL WITHOUT OPENING THE DOOR FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT, LIKE BIG DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ALONG FRANKLIN ROAD OR OTHER CITY STREETS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN PUT 'EM ON 65 WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
COULD YOU ALL RUN THE TRAPS ON THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I CAN HEAR IS THAT THERE IS A DESIRE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP.
I'M SORRY, I, I'M NOT SURE I WAS DONE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN THE TRAPS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, UM, UH, ANY ISSUE RELATED TO THAT SINCE KRISTEN'S NOT HERE.
UM, I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING INTERRUPTED THERE OR NOT ACKNOWLEDGED.
SO ANYWAY, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE DOING IT, LIKE I SAID, TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY.
ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS, IS LIKE WE MENTIONED, THE, THE, THE VOLUME, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TROS BILLBOARDS, THE SOUND SYSTEM IS A BIG PIECE OF THAT.
BUT ALSO AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S OTHER SPORTS FIELDS AROUND N SI PROPERTY SUCH AS THE YMCA AND SOME OTHERS.
SO JUST BEING SURE, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PE PEOPLE IN TWIN SPRINGS WOULD WANT A BIG DRON SIZED SOUND SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE SOUND CARRIES MUCH FARTHER IN THE LIGHT.
SO JUST, JUST BEING SURE THAT AS WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE SUPER DELIBERATE, YOU KNOW, BOTH WITH LIGHT AND SOUND, MR. SPEAR TO, AND TO THAT POINT, THANK YOU FOR WHERE IS THIS GOING? THANK YOU FOR, UM, DOING THE RESEARCH AND I THINK THIS DISCUSSION'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
UM, AND THEN TO NELSON, TO YOUR POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE ABOUT THE YMCA, UM, IF AN ATHLETIC EVENT WAS HAPPENING AND WE FOLLOWED I GUESS THE PERIOD OF 10 30 TO 7:00 AM QUIET TIME.
BUT IF THEY HAD AN ATHLETIC EVENT ALL DAY LONG AT THE YMCA, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THERE'D BE SOUND AND, AND LIGHT ALL DAY LONG AT THE YMCA.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, UM, OF, OF IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING REALLY THOROUGH WITH RESEARCHING ALL THAT AND THE IDEA OF THE MOVIE NIGHT.
MAKING SURE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SAME THING IF WE HAD IT AT THE YMCA, WE WOULDN'T WANT A MOVIE NIGHT, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ATHLETICS AND THAT WAY WE CAN CONTROL THE BIGGER MESSAGE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION.
SO WE DON'T NEED A DEAD HORSE, BUT YOU HAD SAID, UM, YOU COULD WORD THIS SO THAT IT APPLIED ONLY TO BA BUT WE HAVE POTENTIALLY OTHER, I DON'T WANNA SAY ONLY TO BA OKAY.
BUT IN THE, THE BAR WOULD BE JUST BENEATH THAT IF YOU WILL.
SO, SO THAT THEY AT ATTAINED IT, BUT OTHERS WHO WERE SIMILARLY SITUATED IT WOULD APPLY TO.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY TIGHT, BUT AGAIN, UH, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
I MEAN, THERE ARE CHURCHES THAT MIGHT, IF THE THING IS IF IT'S A 25 ACRE THING OR WHATEVER, I'D LIKE TO KNOW OTHER
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SIS SO WE CAN SEE.UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, WE COULD REQUIRE IT BE SINGLE-SIDED.
YOU, YOU HAD A CONCERN ABOUT DOUBLE-SIDED VIDEO BOARD.
WHICH ACTUALLY IF THERE WAS A PROPERTY THEN A CHURCH DECIDED TO ESTABLISH THE SCHOOL AND THEY HAD 25 PLUS ACRES, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE FINE FOR THAT TO BE PUT IN THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'D BE PLENTY OF SPACE AROUND BEFORE WE GOT TENURE RESIDENTIAL.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW REAL QUICK, MY ONE CONCERN IS THAT THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ANGLE OF THE BOARD MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, THERE, THEIR STANDS APPEAR TO BE ON THE WEST.
YOU WANT THE AUDIENCE, THE CROWD TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE DO THAT, HOW WE MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT.
WELL, AND DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, IS THEIR STADIUM THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
I DIDN'T THINK WE CAN MAKE, I'M NOT SURE.
WE HAVE TO ENSURE THEY HAVE A GOOD DESIGN
AND RIGHT NOW THEY ALREADY HAVE AUDIO SPEAKERS, SO THEY ALREADY ARE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE AND, AND NEIGHBORS ARE ALREADY HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT NOISE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T CHANGE MUCH.
IT WOULD BE THE LIGHT THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
WE, WE COULD ADD LANGUAGE THAT'S GENERAL ENOUGH THAT SAYS POSITIONING OF THE SCOREBOARDS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE OFFSITE IMPACTS AND STAFF CAN EVALUATE THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I JUST WANNA CONFIRM WITH YOU THOUGH, YOU WANT US TO GO AND TALK WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND PER, AND GET FEEDBACK AND PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AS A PART OF YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS CORRECT.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WISE.
'CAUSE WE MAY FIND OUT SOMETHING THAT A RESIDENT BRINGS UP THAT WE'VE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT.
THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE THIS FAIR AT ALL CONCERNED, I SAID.
WOULD YOU DO THAT BY A MALE SOLICITATION OR HAVING A MEETING OR? I, I'D PROBABLY GO DOOR TO DOOR.
THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION ON THIS.
UH, THE IDEA OF A VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR BUDGET KICKOFF MEETING.
UM, THE IDEA BEING THAT IS THERE A A, A GOOD LOCATION ON CITY PROPERTY WHERE WE COULD DO A VETERANS MEMORIAL AND ACKNOWLEDGE OUR VETERANS, UM, WITH A, A PHYSICAL MONUMENT OF SOME, SOME TYPE.
SO THE STAFF SET ABOUT LEARNING, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE AND CAN I SAY SOMETHING FIRST? YES, MA'AM.
YOU KNOW, LAST NIGHT WE HAD OUR HISTORIC PLANNING MEETING FOR THE YEAR AND, UH, ALLISON, I GAVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT.
I SAID COMMISSIONER SPEARS HAS DONE A LOT WITH DOING THE VETERAN'S DAY AND THE MEMORIAL DAY PROGRAMS, THANK YOU.
AND SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE A PERMANENT MONUMENT.
AND I SAID, COMMISSIONER LITTLE SAID, MAYBE GIVEN THAT IT'S AMERICA TWO 50 THIS COMING YEAR, WHICH THAT'S THE OFFICIAL TITLE OF WHAT THEY'RE CALLING NEXT YEAR, UH, THAT MAYBE THE HISTORIC BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT ONE OF OUR PROJECTS AS WE DID WITH THE CENTENNIAL FOR TENNESSEE.
ASHLEY MACAL TO JUMP RIGHT IN AND VOLUNTEER TO CHAIR IT.
HE THINKS HE CAN RAISE 15, $20,000 EASY.
AND I SAID THE ONE CAVEAT, WHATEVER THEY DO HAS TO BE TOTALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, THE LOCATION, THE DESIGN, EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT GIVEN THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE READY BY MEMORIAL DAY 2026.
AND THAT ALSO GIVES PEOPLE A WAY TO CONTRIBUTE AND FUNDRAISE AROUND IT LIKE WE DID WITH THE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND AND TO, WELL ONE, YOU BACK JAKE, NEED TO ASHLEY THINK, SEE WHAT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE.
SO, SO IF I CAN, AND, AND WE'LL GET TO SORT OF HOW DO WE WANNA ORGANIZE THIS, RIGHT? AND, AND SORT OF WHO WILL RUN POINT AND WHAT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHAT THERE'VE BEEN AN OFFER.
SO I, I USE THIS PICTURE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE IN OUR, LOOKING AT THE, THE VARIOUS MONUMENTS THAT ARE AROUND THE COUNTRY, THIS ONE, UH, STOOD OUT TO US AS SORT OF THE SIZE AND SCALE THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GREAT FOR OUR PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE.
UH, THEY'RE OF ALL, AS YOU KNOW, WHICH AS LARGE AS AS WASHINGTON DC UH, OR AS SMALL AS, AS YOU KNOW, MONUMENTS ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN THIS ONE.
THIS ONE JUST POPPED OUT TO US AS IT LOOKS GREAT.
UM, IT PROBABLY ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE NEED.
I THINK THOSE VARIOUS PANELS, UH, RECOGNIZE DIFFERENT MILITARY CAMPAIGNS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS IMAGE UP HERE.
WE DID LOOK INTO IT AND THIS ONE BACK IN 2004 WAS INSTALLED AT A PRICE OF $78,000.
IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, THOSE, THOSE DOLLARS $138,000, LET'S SAY 150 TO 200 FOR THE PURPOSES OF BUDGETING.
BUT, SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SCALE AND SCOPE
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OF THIS.IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING SIMILAR IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I HAVE ANOTHER PHOTO BECAUSE I'VE DONE A PROJECT LIKE THIS BEFORE, UH, IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY WHERE I WAS CITY MANAGER AND I OFFERED THIS INFORMATION JUST AS A, MAYBE A PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENT.
AND WHEN I WAS IN LEESBURG, FLORIDA, WE DID THIS MEMORIAL WALL HERE.
IT WAS OPENED, I CAME HERE IN 2013 AND IT WAS A COMMUNITY-BASED PROJECT, UM, VETERAN GRASSROOTS INITIATED, AND A VERY, VERY NICE MEMORIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL IN, IN FOUNTAIN PARK.
UM, AND I, I OFFER THIS TO SAY THAT REALIZE THAT THESE PROJECTS, THESE INITIATIVES ARE SO EMOTIONALLY COMPELLING AND IT INVOLVES VETERANS THAT IT CAN TAKE ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN.
IF THE PARAMETERS AREN'T DEFINED AT THE VERY FRONT, IT CAN TAKE ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN.
NOT THAT IT WOULD HERE, BUT, UH, IT THEN EXPANDED AS YOU CAN SEE IN 20 16, 20 16, 20 17.
AND THIS NOW BECAME VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK COMPLETE WITH A HELICOPTER ON A STICK.
WHILE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS WHERE THE COMMISSION STARTED OUT TO GO WITH THAT PROJECT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE CITY HALL, IT IS WHERE IT WOUND UP.
IT IS, I'M SURE A GREAT, UH, MEMORIAL TO THE NATION'S VETERANS.
I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY LET'S BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE, WE THINK WE WANT IT TO BE AT THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END AND WHERE WE POSITION IT.
SO, UH, THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE WITH DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR.
ALL OF THOSE WERE AT THE SAME PARK.
AND, AND THE, THE PARK WAS LARGE ENOUGH IT DIDN'T HAVE OTHER PROGRAMMING OTHER THAN SOME TRAILS IN IT AND A FOUNTAIN AND A POND.
SO THEY WOUND UP USING THE ENTIRE, THE PARK TO DO THAT.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, HOW SHOULD THE CITY GO ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT? UH, SHOULD THERE BE A PARTICULAR, UH, COMMITTEE THAT IS EITHER EXISTING OR AN AD HOC COMMITTEE CREATED? UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THIS TO BE, TO BE LED? THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION IN ADVANCE? AND I'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ANYTHING TODAY, IT'S JUST TO GET YOUR KIND OF CREATIVE JUICES GOING ON.
AND THEN ARE THERE, I WILL SAY LAST NIGHT THEY CAME UP, THEY SUGGESTED A LOCATION.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD WORK OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, KNOW WHERE THE CABIN BRENTDALE IS THAT OPEN, NICE AREA THERE.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PARKING THERE.
IF YOU EVER WANTED TO HAVE AN EVENT WHERE PEOPLE GATHERED, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A MEMORIAL DAY EVENT THERE AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING EVERYBODY WOULD SEE AS THEY CAME, YOU HAVE TO PASS THERE TO GET INTO PART.
JAY, COULD YOU CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED? WE COULD DISCUSS THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN ARE THERE PARAMETERS THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO PUT ON THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TURN IT OVER TO A COMMITTEE OR WHOEVER YOU'D LIKE TO RUN POINT? UH, AND AGAIN, WE'LL ASK THE QUESTION, IS THERE ANY AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE SHOULD PUT IN THE, THE CIP AS SEED MONEY OR NOT YET? LET IT GET SOME LEGS AND FIND OUT WHAT PARTICIPATION THE CITY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE IN TERMS OF MONEY FROM OUR END.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE DOING SOME FUNDRAISING.
MOST OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE THAT FLAVOR WHERE THE VFW OR OTHER VETERANS GROUP GETS INVOLVED AND RAISES FUNDS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME MORE OWNERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY OF IT IF, IF THE COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTES.
UM, NOT TO MENTION IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET BEHIND IT, THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING THOUGH.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING HERE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN ALL EXCLUSIVE LIST JUST TO GET YOUR, UH, THE THOUGHT PROCESS GOING.
HERE'S AN OPTION IN CROCKETT PARK AND THE BRENTDALE CABIN BEING RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU DRIVE PAST THAT, THIS AREA TO THE RIGHT, WHICH HAS PARKING AVAILABLE HERE AND PARKING OVER HERE WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS VETERANS OR, UH, VOLUNTEER PARKWAY
IT IS FAIRLY GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIMITED IN SIZE AND SCALE AND SCOPE.
THERE'S THE EASY ACCESS FROM THE PARKING AREAS.
PLENTY OF PARKING FOR LARGE EVENTS.
IF YOU HAVE TO OVERFLOW INTO HERE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC YEAR ROUND.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF, UH, TRAFFIC OTHERWISE IN THE PARK TO, TO DRIVE BY AND, AND ADMIRE IT.
AND IT'S CURRENTLY UNUSED SPACE WOULD REQUIRE SOME TREE REMOVAL.
POWER IS NOT READILY AVAILABLE IF THERE'S GONNA BE UPLIGHTING OR SIMILAR, IF IT'S GONNA BE FLAGS THERE, WE'D WANT SOME UPLIGHTING.
AND THEN VEHICLE PARKING IS THE BACKDROP.
IF THAT TAKES AWAY IN YOUR MIND AT, AT ALL THE VEHICLE PARKING IN THE BACKGROUND THOUGH, THERE COULD BE LANDSCAPING TO SORT OF SCREEN FROM THAT.
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WHERE WE CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY, WHICH I THINK YES SIR.SO, SO IT IT'S COMPLIMENTARY TO CURRENT USES IN, IN THE PARK.
I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT YET.
I WISH WE COULD SIT WITH A GOOGLE MAP.
LET'S SEE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THIS AREA IN HERE.
AND SO THE PICNIC PAVILION IS BACK OVER HERE.
THE FOUR-WAY STOP IS RIGHT THERE.
AND SO BACK TO YOUR LEFT OVER YOUR LEFT SHOULDER, LOOKING FROM THIS POSITION IS WHERE THE BRENT VALE CABIN WOULD BE.
I'M NOT FOLLOWING, SO LET ME GO BACK.
IF YOU GO DOWN THE HILL BY BRENT VALE AND THEN YOU GO INTO THAT LITTLE CURVE AS YOU COME PAST THAT HILL, THERE'S THE PICNIC IN THE PARKING LOT HERE.
IT'S THAT LARGE GREEN SPACE THERE.
WELL IT WON'T BE WITH THE TREES DOWN AND ITS PEOPLE AND MOST EVERYBODY THAT GOES INTO THE PARK EITHER PARKS IN THE PAVILION PARKING LOT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF 'EM PARK LIKE IN A LONG PARKING LOT FOR A BLAZE AND SOCCER AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THEY WOULD ALL SEE IT AS THEY CAME DOWN THAT HEAT.
THIS IS A VERY VISIBLE LOCATION.
AND, AND SO YOU, YOU CANNOT GO INTO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PASSING BY THIS GOOD.
SO, AND AGAIN, ADVANTAGE OF IT BEING FAIRLY FLAT AND GEOGRAPHICALLY CONTAINS I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SITE.
GOT BETTER AADA A ACCESSIBILITY.
IT LOOKS ALL THAT GREEN AND BLUE.
OKAY, SO DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT IS THIS AREA, WHICH, UH, COMMISSIONER TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S BRENT VALE AND THIS WOULD BE IN THAT TREE AREA BEHIND IT.
UM, WHICH IS THIS SITE HERE AGAIN, HERE'S BRENT VALE.
HERE'S THE SITE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND THAT'S THIS AREA, AGAIN, IT'S VERY VISIBLE.
UH, YOU DO HAVE TO CROSS, UH, A FAIRLY LARGE DRY VI TO GET TO IT OR CROSS VOLUNTEER PARKWAY, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS IDEAL.
THERE'S OF COURSE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR EVENTS.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY UNUSED SPACE AND THERE'S PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC PAVILION.
UH, IF, IF THAT'S A COMPLIMENTARY TYPE USE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO CROSS VOLUNTEER BUT NOT IF YOU PARK.
UH, MORE TREE REMOVAL IS PROBABLY NEEDED HERE.
POWER'S NOT READILY AVAILABLE.
THERE'S MORE GRADE WORK WOULD'VE TO BE DONE HERE.
THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD SLOPE IN THERE.
AND I'VE RIGHT, I'LL WALK OVER THERE A LOT.
SO, SO THAT'S, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS SPACE OVER HERE TO THE LEFT.
THIS IS THIS AREA HERE AND THERE'S A BIT MORE GRADE WORK TO BE DONE.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU GET UP IN THERE AND LOOK, THERE'S A, A DIP DOWN AND THEN A RISE, UH, AS YOU START TO GO UP THE HILL.
UH, AGAIN, PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC PAVILION, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, RESTROOM ACCESS IS A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY 'CAUSE THE RESTROOMS ARE OVER HERE.
AND THAT TAKES YOU ACROSS VOLUNTEER PARKWAY TO TRY AND GET TO THE RESTROOMS OR TO THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE FOURPLEX.
WELL, ONE REASON THEY WERE SAYING I DIDN'T COME UP WITH IT 'CAUSE IT WAS THAT THEY WERE SAYING THE BRENT VALES THING, THERE'S GONNA BE ELECTRICITY IN THAT ONE.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SHELTER THAT FOR AN EVENT, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO ELECTRICITY THERE.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN PERMANENT POWER TO THE MONUMENT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME LIGHTING THAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT SOME DECORATIVE LIGHTING.
UH, AND IF WE, I THINK IN EITHER LOCATION, POWER IS GONNA BE SOMETHING YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU'VE GOTTA RUN OVER.
UM, I HAVE ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES.
WHAT I ASK YOU TO KNOW, THERE IS ANOTHER OKAY, UH, LOCATION.
THERE'S AN AREA HERE THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S TAILOR MADE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT'S AN UNUSED AREA TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THIS PICTURE DOESN'T QUITE DO IT, JUST, IT'S EVERYTHING'S KIND OF BROWN AND WINTERIZED.
BUT, UM, IT'S A REALLY NICE FLAT AREA.
THERE'S POWER AVAILABLE, WE BELIEVE RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
UM, FLAT, VERY LITTLE GRADE WORK WOULD BE NEEDED.
GOING BACK TO KIND OF THE PROS AND CONS, UM, THE FOUNTAIN PROVIDES A GREAT BACKDROP, A SCENIC SPACE.
PARKING OF COURSE, IS VERY GOOD.
UM, NOT AS GOOD AS IT IS IN IN CROCKETT PARK, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE OVERFLOW AS YOU'VE SEEN FOR RETIREMENTS AND WHATNOT THAT WE USE ALONG HERE.
IT'S A MORE SECURE SITE BECAUSE OF PDHQ.
NO TREATMENT REMOVAL IS REQUIRED.
IT IS LESS VISIBLE YEAR ROUND.
SO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T REALLY GET TO ADMIRE IT AND, AND, UH, ENJOY.
IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS IN BRENTWOOD, AS YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHERE PD HQ IS.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE OCCASION TO GO DOWN THERE.
THE ROAD NOISE FROM 65 IS A BIT OF A, OF A DETRIMENT.
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UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING HERE, AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO START USING OVERFLOW PARKING IF WE DID AN EVENT OF ANY TIES.DID YOU ALL LOOK AT OH, WE, WELL YOU DON'T HAVE A SLIDE FOR THE LIBRARY? NO, MA'AM.
AND WE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR MEETINGS, THAT THE LIBRARY, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GREAT SPOT TO DO IT IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY AND PARKING AND ACCESS AND ALL THAT, THERE ISN'T ANY LAND THAT WE CAN TOUCH BECAUSE OF BURIAL REMAINS.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN TOUCH SOME LAND OVER THERE.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES SUCH THAT WE BRING IN ARCHEOLOGISTS.
IF WE UNCOVER ANYTHING THAT IS, UH, PROBLEMATIC, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE SHOULDN'T EVEN GO IN AT ALL.
BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE THE VILLAGE WAS.
WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE WALLS WERE, UH, MUCH LIKE DIGGING THE TREE.
ARCHE ARCHEOLOGIST SAID, AARON DIETER WOLF, YOU CAN DIG HERE.
JUST WATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS, CALL US IN AND BE PREPARED TO BACK OFF IF YOU HAVE TO.
SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES TO THE LIBRARY THAT AREN'T PRESENT ELSEWHERE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED THAT IN MA'AM, THE CONVERSATION.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION IN BROOKLYN POLICE DEPARTMENT VERSUS CROCKETT PARK, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT I KNOW SOME, SOME FEATURES THAT WE DO ARE DESTINATION FEATURES WHERE PEOPLE WILL SEEK THEM OUT AND GO DIRECTLY TO THEM BECAUSE IT'S A DESTINATION THEY WANT TO GET TO.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE FEATURES THAT ARE SORT OF SECONDARY FEATURES THAT IF THEY'RE IN A DESTINATION, PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY AND THEY ENHANCE THE DESTINATION.
UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A FEEL FOR IF THIS WOULD FALL CLOSER TO ONE CATEGORY VERSUS THE OTHER.
BECAUSE IF IT'S MORE OF A DESTINATION, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOCATION WOULD BE REALLY NICE, BOTH BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THE COMMON GROUND THERE, BUT ALSO TO THE HERITAGE, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK THE RESIDENTS AND THE GUESTS THERE WOULD REALLY ENJOY HAVING A FEATURE NEARBY THAT WAS A DESTINATION FEATURE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T GET AS MUCH CASUAL CONTACT.
WHERE IF IT'S MORE OF A, AN ADDITIONAL FEATURE, THEN, ESPECIALLY WITH A CASUAL CONTACT FROM ALL THE KIDS IN SPORTS WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING EXPOSED TO HONORING THE VETERANS.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD, WOULD CRACK THE PARK, YOU KNOW, MORE.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MORE OF A FEEL OF WHICH THIS WOULD BE.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS A DESTINATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD IT BE NICE TO HAVE IT BY POLICE HEADQUARTERS WHERE SAY KIDS IN SCHOOL, WOULD IT BE LIKE A FIELD TRIP LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD INTENTIONALLY COME OVER AND FIND A WAY TO VISIT IT THERE AND MAYBE VISIT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL? SO COMMISSIONERS, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A TOPIC FOR YOU TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? IT'S A GREAT WAY TO COLOR THE CONVERSATION OF YOU.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL TO FIND IT HERE, UH, VERSUS THE OTHERS YOU MAY LOOK, WOW, WELL THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED TODAY DOES.
BUT I THINK ABOUT, I'M SO TORN.
'CAUSE YOU DO WANT PEOPLE TO SEE IT, BUT I THINK A PLACE LIKE THAT, AS ALMOST A SACRED SITE, THAT, AND I THINK OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SETTING IS, IS SO APPROPRIATE AND DIGNIFIED FOR IT.
I'M TORN, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD.
COMMISSIONER SPEARS, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH, UH, TOM FREEMAN AND MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, VETERANS, UH, ON THIS DIFFERENT EVENTS.
UM, WE ALL HAVE OUR THOUGHTS, UM, BUT UH, NONE OF US ARE.
UM, CAN YOU, UM, CONTINUE TO KIND OF GET, UH, FEEDBACK, UH, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK, UH, TO US AS A, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD COMMISSION IS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, I THINK TOO, BECAUSE I THINK TO MY GRANDKIDS, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SUCH CONFLICT IN THE WORLD NOWADAYS, THEY DON'T KNOW WAR.
LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WORLD WAR I, WORLD WAR II, VIETNAM, THAT IT, IT IS JUST DIFFERENT FOR THEM.
AND UH, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND IS HOW THAT'S WHO WE ALSO WOULD LOVE TO SEE.
TAKING THE TWINS OUT THERE WOULD BE, I THINK IT'D BE EDUCATIONAL AND MOTIVATIONAL FOR THEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
WELL, I GREW UP IN A STATE WHERE WE DIDN'T CELEBRATE MEMORIAL DAY, WE CELEBRATED CONFEDERATE STAY
WE DID, THERE WAS A TOMB OF AN UNKNOWN, SO CONFEDERATE SOLDIER IN THE TOWN CEMETERY, WHICH WAS NEXT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE MARCHED AROUND IT IN A PARADE AND THROUGH OUR FLOWERS ON THE GRAVE.
THERE WAS NO MEMORIAL DAY WHERE I GREW UP.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, JAY, AND GETTING ALL OF IT OUT SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT AND DISCUSS IT.
UM, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY HAPPY TO SEEK OUT THE INFORMATION FROM THE VETERANS GROUPS AND BRING THAT BACK TO Y'ALL.
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RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE AND WITH DAVE AND JAY IN THE LIMITED RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE WITH JAY, JAY, DAVE, AND KIRK BEFORE HE LEFT.UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BEST WAY TO START THE PROJECT IS WITH STAFF, SO THAT STAFF CAN GET THEIR BRAINS AROUND IT.
WE MA MADE A LOT OF, UM, WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED WHEN WE DID THIS RESEARCH FOR THE LOCATIONS.
SO IF WE CAN START THE PROJECT WITH STAFF, ADD INTO THAT, THE IDEAS FROM THE VETERANS, AND THEN FIGURE OUT THE DIRECTION AND THE MANPOWER AND THE VOLUNTEER COMPONENT, FUNDING COMPONENT AFTER THAT.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, EVEN KRISTEN MAY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT FOR, UM, HOW WE GO ABOUT FUNDING IT AND WHAT HAS WORKED FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHAT MIGHT NOT WORK FOR US.
AND SO, UM, BUT I DO, SO IF THAT'S A PATH THAT WE COULD TAKE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO Y'ALL, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.
SO STAFF FEEDBACK AND THEN COME BACK TO STAFF AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE.
UM, I, UM, ALSO, UM, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER TO JAY'S, ONE OF JAY'S SLIDES ABOUT HOW IT COULD GO INTO D VERY DIFFERENT AREAS TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF DIFFERENT CONFLICTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THE IDEA THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS THAT IT WOULD BE ONE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL PERIOD.
SO IF YOU WERE A VETERAN ASSOCIATED WITH BRENTWOOD FROM THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR UNTIL A MODERN CONFLICT THAT YOU WOULD BE COVERED IN IT.
AND THAT, AND DOES THAT MAKE SOUND LIKE A GOOD APPROACH FOR YOU ALL? DO YOU AGREE? WELL, THAT WAS A GIVEN THAT ANY MEMORIAL WOULD REPRESENT ANY, ANY SERVICE PERSON WHO HAD DIED IN SERVICE.
SOME, SOME ONLY PICK CERTAIN CONFLICTS AND THEN THEY ONLY DO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
SO I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE A MEMORIAL MEMORIAL THAT'S TO ANY VETERAN WHO WAS SERVED, UM, IN ANY CONFLICT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
SO COMMISSIONERS WILL, WILL, I'M SORRY RAY, I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT.
WELL, EVERYTHING THAT ALLISON JUST SAID, THE HISTORIC BOARD IS CAPABLE OF DOING ALL OF THAT.
WE'VE TAKEN ON MAJOR PROJECTS AND, AND CAN DO THAT.
ASHLEY'S MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH VETERANS.
SO EITHER DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TELL 'EM THAT THEY'RE NOT NEEDED OR THAT THEY ARE NEEDED? I'M FINE WITH EITHER WAY AND I'LL, I'LL TELL 'EM THIS.
WELL, OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONERS, I PUT THAT TO YOU.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I WOULD DON'T THINK COMMISSION TO BE A PART OF IT.
I DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET UNTIL WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT, I MEAN, I THINK WE AS A THAT'S WOULD NEED TO DECIDE.
WELL, THAT'S THE POINT WE HAVE.
I'M, I'VE BEEN USED TO OVER THE YEARS SAYING, OKAY, THIS BOARD IS GONNA DO THAT.
WE DON'T MICROMANAGE EVERYTHING.
YOU GIVE US A SET OF PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU WANT DONE AND THE BOARD CAN RUN WITH IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLVE EVERY DETAIL.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE WANNA PUT IT YET.
I'M SAYING AFTER THOSE THINGS ARE DEC I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HARD.
THESE DECISIONS WHERE IT WOULD BE, CAN BE EASILY DETERMINED.
WE CAN, AS THE CITY COMMISSION CAN SELECT THE SITE BASED ON EVERYTHING THEY TELL US, WE CAN VOTE ON IT.
YOU CAN PICK A DESIGN AND THEN ASHLEY CAN RUN WITH IT, RAISE THE MONEY, GET VOLUNTEERS, DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF AN EASY, ALISON, ALISON BROUGHT THIS UP AND SHE'S CHA ALISON BROUGHT THIS UP.
SHE'S KIND OF CHAMPIONED IT FROM THE BEGINNING.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES HER FROM CALLING ASHLEY AND SAYING, YOU WANNA WORK.
I I'M NOT SAYING SHE SHOULDN'T.
I CO-CHAIR WITH YOU IF SHE WANTS.
I'M STATING, I'M JUST STATING SHE COULD CALL ASHLEY.
SHE CAN CALL THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND SHE CAN WORK ON COORDINATING THAT.
LET'S DO, LET'S LET HER GO AND TRY TO DECIDE.
LET'S DON'T CUT, LET'S DON'T CUT OUT THE HISTORIC COMMISSIONER ASHLEY AT THIS POINT WE'RE SAYING LET'S EVALUATE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY YOU MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, I, I, THIS WAS WRITTEN IN STONE BEFORE IT STARTED.
I WILL TELL THE HISTORIC BOARD THAT IT IS BEING DONE BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
LET'S JUST, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET INTO IT BECAUSE THEY WERE EXCITED AND EAGER TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S ALLISON'S PROJECT.
YEAH, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION I THINK COULD BRING ALL THE GROUPS TOGETHER.
THEY STILL CAN, THEY STILL, IT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO OTHER IMPORTANT SUBJECTS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TODAY.
SO I'LL TAKE US TO THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
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OKAY.UM, THIS IS AN OUTGROWTH OF, UH, DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BRIEFLY WITH CITY COMMISSION A LITTLE WHILE BACK ABOUT JUST KIND OF TRYING TO MAYBE OUTLINE FOR THE COMMUNITY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? AND START OFF WITH WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THE, THE PART OF THE DESIGN THAT IS THE BUILDING IS ON HOLD DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY BECAUSE IT MAY DIRECT THE ARCHITECT TO INCLUDE, UM, A LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL OR FOOD PREP, THAT TYPE OF THING, DEPENDING ON THE CONCESSIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THERE.
UH, AND, AND HOW WE'RE ADVISED BY SPORTS FACILITIES COMPANIES.
UM, ROADWAY DESIGN CONTINUES BECAUSE WE, WE DO BELIEVE AT THIS POINT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND WANNA HAVE THAT DESIGN COMPLETED.
WHETHER OR NOT THE UH, FACILITY GOES IN, IT WILL GIVE US THE SECOND ACCESS TO CROCKETT PARK.
AND SO THAT HAS CONTINUED AND THE PLANS ARE APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 30%, UM, WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHICH GIVES US AN INTERESTING THRESHOLD THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO ACHIEVE AFTER WE GET THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM UH, SFC.
SO WE'RE IN PROGRESS ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND I'LL TALK AGAIN IN A MOMENT ABOUT HOW I NEED TO ENGAGE YOU FURTHER ON FEEDBACK FOR, UH, THE PURPOSES OF THAT STUDY IN COMPLETION SOMETIME MID-MAY.
AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROGRESS OF OUR CONSULTANT AND SCHEDULING OF MEETINGS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BEFORE WE GO OVER THIS SLIDE, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON THE, UH, DESIGN AND STATUS? UM, AGAIN, WE PROBABLY HAVE A, A BIT THAT HASN'T BEEN BILLED YET.
JUST ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY IN THE 1 25 RANGE TO 200 SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT HAS OR HAS NOT BEEN BILLED.
AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'LL CERTAINLY LOOK THAT UP AND GET IT TO YOU.
THE FEASIBILITY AS YOU STUDY IS IN PROGRESS AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY COMING UP AFTER WE GET THE, UM, FEASIBILITY STUDY BACK AND THAT THEN DETERMINES WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECT GOES.
HE CAN MAKE CHANGES OR NOT MAKE CHANGES, BUT HE'LL BE AT A STOPPING POINT, WHICH IS TYPICAL IN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR IN A DESIGN PROJECT WHERE AT ABOUT 30, 35, 40% PLANS YOU CAN GO OUT AND GET A REVISED ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE MARKET'S DOING AND UM, YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION NOW TO GO OUT AND PRICE VERSUS THE VERY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT THAT WE HAD WHEN WE GOT OUR FIRST ESTIMATE.
SO WE'LL HAVE GOOD INFORMATION IN TERMS OF A SECOND PRO FORMA, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SFC ON HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED, A REVISED ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO AFTER WE'VE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION? FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AND DECISION POINTS.
THE FIRST ONE IS AS I JUST DESCRIBED, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOU COMPLETE DESIGN AND YOU'VE SPENT, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS ON DESIGN, WELL ACTUALLY IT WOULDN'T BE A TOTAL MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER MONEY IN THERE RELATED TO, UH, CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT.
BUT, UM, AFTER YOU'VE SPENT MOST OF THAT MONEY AND THEN YOU GO OUT AND GET YOUR BIDS AND YOU'VE GOT A FINAL PRICE, THERE'S STILL ANOTHER DECISION POINT OBVIOUSLY WHETHER OR NOT YOU PROCEED.
SO OUR THOUGHT IS, IS THAT WE COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND WE HAVE A BRIEFING DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SAID, WHAT THE REVISED ENGINEERS ESTIMATE IS, AND THE COMMISSION HAS A DISCUSSION ON WHAT YOU SHOULD DO FROM THERE.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, WE'VE SPENT, I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO THESE NUMBERS, BUT ABOUT LET'S SAY A HUNDRED, 125,000 ON DESIGN PLANS TO CNI DESIGN THUS FAR.
AND THE BULK OF THAT HAS BEEN ON THE, THE ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE TO THE PARK AND THE KIND OF NO, IT'S BEEN ON IT, IT'S BEEN ON BOTH.
UM, BUT WE'VE JUST TOLD HIM TO CONTINUE ON DOING WHAT HE'S DOING FOR THE ROADWAY, THE ROAD, THE NEW ADDRESS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE 1 25 TO 200 RANGE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A BALLPARK IN HERE.
UM, SO HE, YES, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE YOU TURN HIM LOOSE ON THE REMAINDER OF DESIGN.
TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE LIKE WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY SAYS, THE REVISED ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE LOOKS REASONABLE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE FORWARD OR WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
WE WANNA PAUSE AND OF COURSE YOU'VE HAD YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT REFERENDUM AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THERE'S ANOTHER DECISION POINT COMING UP AND WE CAN JUST KIND OF PLAN THAT OUT.
DOES THIS SOUND REASONABLE THAT WE WOULD COME BACK IN A BRIEFING AFTER THOSE TWO THINGS ARE PROVIDED? THIS FIRST BULLET POINT DOWN THERE,
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IT SOUNDS LOGICAL AND WHAT'S ALTERNATIVE.AND THEN OF COURSE YOU CAN COMMUNICATE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS ACCORDINGLY ON HOW YOU THINK THIS IS.
AND I DIDN'T WANNA PUT LIKE MONTHS EXACTLY WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
UM, BUT IT HELP YOU COMMUNICATE MORE STEPS, STOP MONTHS.
AND YOU'LL SEND US THESE SLIDES AFTER? YOU'LL SEND US THESE SLIDES? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE INITIAL BUDGET KICKOFF MEETING OF HOW THE $5 BILLION SHOULD BE SHOWN IN THE CIP AND WANTED TO CLARIFY IS, AM I ON TRACK THAT WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO SHOW THE $5 MILLION AS BOND FUNDED, BUT WE WERE TO ADD A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS COMPONENT OF THE FACILITY.
AND THEN THERE WAS A FOLLOW UP ABOUT PUTTING UH, NOTES ON OTHER CIP SHEETS, WHICH JUST FOLLOW THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, I DID SOME RESEARCH LOOKING BACK IN THE CIPS SINCE I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH, UM, THE GROUP.
BUT STARTING IN 2018, UM, THE CLARKS OPERATIONS FACILITY CAME INTO THE CIP AND THEN THERE WERE NO BONDS LISTED FOR THAT.
AND THEN 2019 IT WAS LISTED AGAIN.
UM, AND THE CIP NO BONDS WERE LISTED FOR THAT.
AND THEN IN 2020, UM, THERE WERE $2.5 MILLION OF BONDS LISTED FOR THE PARKS OPERATIONAL FACILITY.
IN 2021, IT WAS $3 MILLION OF BONDS LISTED FOR THE PARKS OPERATION FACILITY.
IN 2022, IT WENT TO $4 MILLION OF BONDS LISTED FOR THE PARKS OPERATIONAL FACILITY.
IN 2023, IT WENT TO $5 MILLION OF BONDS LISTED FOR THE PARKS OPERATIONAL FACILITY.
IN 2024, IT WAS $5 MILLION OF BONDS FOR THE PARKS OPERATIONAL FACILITY.
AND ALSO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE INDOOR RACKET FACILITY WAS LISTED.
UM, AND THERE WAS FUNDING PROGRAM FOR THAT, UM, FISCAL YEAR END TRANSFER FROM 2023 ADEQUATE FACILITIES TAX.
UM, ORIGINALLY PROGRAMMED FOR WENDY HILL PARK AND THEN UM, GENERAL FUND FROM THE UH, UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE.
AND THEN IN 2025 WE WENT TO OUR NEW CIP FORMAT.
AND THEN THAT IS WHEN THOSE TWO PROJECTS WERE, UM, MOVED IN TOGETHER UNDER THE, UM, POTENTIAL INDOOR RACK FACILITY.
SO THAT WAS HELPFUL TO ME TO GO BACK AND DO THAT RESEARCH TO SEE THAT IT HAD BEEN SEPARATED OUT SINCE 2018, 18 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 FOR THAT MANY YEARS UNTIL 25.
SO IT, WHEN WE LEFT THE INITIAL CIP MEETING, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING 2.5 MILLION FOR A LISTED AS A BOND FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RELOCATION, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS JUST GOING TO BE AS A PART OF THE RACKET FACILITY, NOT LISTED AS A BOND, BUT JUST AS A PART OF THE RACKET FACILITY FUNDING.
AND THEN IN LIGHT OF KIND OF THE STAGES WE JUST PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT AND THEN WHAT COMMISSIONER SPEAR SAID, IT OCCURRED TO ME AFTER THE CIP MEETING AND NOW IT'S KIND OF DAWNING ON ME.
IF WE DON'T DO THE FACILITY, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT DOING THE ROAD AND THE NEW ENTRANCE IN THERE.
IF WE DON'T LOSE DO THE FACILITY, WE'RE LOSING THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
SO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO PROBABLY GO BACK TO BUDGETING THE PARKS, RELOCATION, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RELOCATION AS A STANDALONE AND BE 5 MILLION BOND IF WE'RE DOING SOME LONG RANGE PLANNING BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE ANYMORE.
SO WE CAN'T BE 2.5, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FIVE LIKE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THE RAG FACILITY EVER BECOMING A DISCUSSION GIVEN, GIVEN THAT YOU'VE GOT DESIGN UNDERWAY FOR A FACILITY THAT INCLUDES THE PARKS HEADQUARTERS AS A PART OF IT, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT YOU KEEP IT TOGETHER.
HOW YOU CHOOSE TO SHOW THE BOND FUNDING IS IS SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCRETION.
MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT WAS THAT IT WAS ALL FIVE WAS TO REMAIN BONDS AND THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAID TWO AND A HALF MILLION IS DUE TO THE PARKS FACILITY.
WE CAN SHOW THAT ANY WAY YOU WANT.
BUT EXCUSE ME, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE, OKAY, IF WE ONLY SHOW TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AS BONDS, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE THE OTHER TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO COME FROM? AND THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, THIS DISCUSSION THAT WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST INTRODUCED IT, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW IF YOU DO WANNA CHANGE, ARE WE GONNA TAKE IT OUT OF OTHER PROJECTS? ARE WE GONNA TAKE IT OUTTA FUND BALANCE, UH, OR DO WE LEAVE IT ALONE AS IT IS? AND WHERE I HEARD HAS COME TO IS JUST LEAVE IT AS 5 MILLION BUT PUT THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM SO
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THAT PEOPLE KNOW PART OF THAT IS THE PARKS AND REC FACILITY AND THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.OBVIOUSLY WHILE YOU'RE SHRINKING FROM FIVE DOWN TO TWO AND A HALF, AGAIN I CAN SHOW IT HOWEVER YOU LIKE, JUST NEED TO KNOW, UM, IN THIS DRAFT DOCUMENT, AGAIN, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT WHEN WE COME WHEN ALL THE WAY TO JUNE AT THE VERY END OF JUNE, YOU CAN CHANGE IT UP TO THEN.
I JUST DON'T WANNA PRESENT IT IN A MANNER.
I THINK SINCE WE HAD OVER 1900 CITIZENS SIGN AN ONLINE ADDITION IN LESS THAN A MONTH'S TIME, THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE THAT ALONE AND IT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED JUST LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR WHEN WE VOTED FOR IT IN THE CIP.
AND I MADE THAT CLEAR AT OUR BUDGET MEETING TOO.
BUT I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FOOL WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU'RE STARTING TO WIGGLE THIS WAY AND WIGGLE THAT WAY.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO STAY JUST LIKE IT, IT WAS OUR COP AND JUST LIKE IT WAS WHEN Y'ALL PRESENTED IT TO US ON JANUARY 30TH MEETING, I I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY NEED TO NOTE, I DISAGREE BECAUSE IF THE PROJECT IS $13 MILLION BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET WITH $13 MILLION OR IT'S OVER $20 MILLION, THAT $5 MILLION IS GONNA GO MUCH MORE FOR THE RACKET FACILITY THAN IT EVER WILL FOR THE, FOR THE UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT PORTION OF IT.
IF YOU APPORTION THE WHOLE PROJECT AND HOW MUCH THE $5 MILLION BOND IS.
I I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT ON IN THE CIP FROM 2025, I HAVE IT HERE, UM, UM, ON PAGE ONE 16 IT, IT DETERMINES THAT.
BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2026 OKAY, RIGHT THERE, THERE'LL BE $13 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR THE PROJECT AND THE BOND ISSUANCE WAS ALWAYS IN THE, FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OFFICES, IT WAS ALWAYS THE BOND ISSUE WAS ALWAYS THERE IN THE PLANNING FOR THE INDOOR RACK FACILITY.
THERE WAS NEVER A BOND ISSUED FOR THAT.
AND, AND THEN THAT BOND FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT GOT MOVED INTO THE BIG PROJECT LUMPS TOGETHER.
THE BREAKDOWN OF IT ON ONE 16, ON THE 20 25 20 29 CIP SHOWS THE BOND ISSUE IS 5 MILLION.
BUT THAT GOT MOVED OVER FROM THE PARKS.
UM, THIS OPERATION FACILITY JUST LIKE THAT HISTORY THAT I JUST READ TO YOU, THIS IS UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION UNDER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
I'VE GOT THE PRINTED SHEETS RIGHT HERE.
IT SHOWS YOU DO, I'VE I'VE RIGHT HERE FIVE, I'VE RIGHT HERE A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO, SO I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
SO, BUT THE, ALL THE PAST UH, CIPS THAT I DON'T HAVE RIGHT HERE, BUT I DO HAVE A LIST FROM 2018 THERE WAS A SPECIFIC PROJECT CALLED THE PARKS OPERATIONS FACILITY AND THEN IN THIS CIP, THAT PROJECT IS NOT, IS NOT THERE IF YOU, IT'S BEEN ABSORBED INTO THE INDOOR ROCKET FACILITY PROJECT.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THE BUDGET MEETING BEFORE 2018.
WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT PARKS AND REC FACILITY BUT IT KEPT GETTING PUSHED BACK.
BUT IT WAS ALWAYS A BOND ISSUE.
PARKS OPERATION FACILITY TO HOUSE ALL PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF, EVEN IN FISCAL YEAR 24 THROUGH 29 BEFORE WE SHIFTED TO THIS FORMAT AND IT WAS 5 MILLION.
SO WE'RE JUST SAYING GO BACK TO THAT LIST IT AS 5 MILLION FOR THE PARKS OPERATION, UM, RELOCATION AS IT HAS BEEN SINCE BEFORE I WAS ON THE COMMISSION.
IT DID KEEP LIKE RAY IS RIGHT, IT KEPT GETTING PUSHED FORWARD BECAUSE WE DID OTHER THINGS LIKE MERY GO-ROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AS WE SHIFTED, SINCE THIS IS A FLUID, THE CIP IS A FLUID DOCUMENT, EACH YEAR WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SHIFTED OTHER BIG PROJECTS LIKE MERRY-GO-ROUND, WHICH IS WHAT PUSHED THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RELOCATION LATER REASON.
BUT IT WAS ALWAYS LISTED SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IT WAS LISTED AS A 5 MILLION BOND FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RELOCATION.
THE REASON IT WAS OFTEN PUSHED BACK IS FOR THINGS LIKE FIRE STATION FIVE AND THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY IT WAS PUSHED BACK STILL WAS LISTED, THAT'S NECESSARY.
THINGS THAT EVEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT.
SO, WELL I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT, WE CAN LEAVE IT IN UNTIL THE BUDGET'S VOTED ON IN JUNE, THAT'S WHEN IT WILL BECOME FINAL, NOT LEFT IT IN JUNE AND ARE THAT CIP HAS VOTED ON SO WE CAN TALK IT TO DEATH AND CHANGE IT TWO OR THREE TIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO I SAY IT'S A MOOT POINT AT THIS POINT.
WELL NO IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE, WELL IT IS TO ME.
THIS IS MY OPINION WHEN IT GETS PRINTED THEN PEOPLE TAKE THAT AS PEOPLE ASSUME THAT WE VOTED ON THE WHOLE THING.
AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY THINK WE VOTED ON ALL FIVE, SIX YEARS IN THIS ONE AND FIVE YEARS IN THIS ONE.
WHEREAS IT'S ONLY THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE VOTED ON.
LET ME CLARIFY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A FISCAL YEAR 26 OR FISCAL YEAR 27 BOND, IF YOU CALL IT A BOND FOR THE PARKS OFFICE RELOCATION,
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IT WAS ENVISIONED TO BE THIS FALL, SO IT'D BE FISCAL YEAR 26.SO IT DOES NEED TO BE CORRECT.
CAN, IS THERE ANY, ARE WE GOING TO THE BOND MARKET IN 2027 FOR ANYTHING? I THINK I HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE WE WERE BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO GO AT ONE TIME FOR THE 22 MILLION FOR THE EQ TANK.
EQ TANK NUMBER TWO, YOU'D WANT TO GO TOGETHER AND DO BOTH OF THOSE IN THIS FALL.
SO NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'D BE GOING IN 27.
ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER BONDS PLAN PLANS TO GO TO MARKET FOR BONDS IN 27? LIKE A ROAD OR ANYTHING? NO.
IN 28 WHAT WERE WE GONNA DO WITH VERNA ROAD? WAS THAT A BOND ISSUE? WAS WE NEED TO LOOK AS FAR AS 28 GOES? I KNOW NOT TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD BEEN ON A PATTERN THAT GOTTA BE TWO YEARS.
LEMME KNOW WHAT YOU, I'M STILL RECOVERING FROM THIS THING THAT I HAD.
I HAVE MY FIRST MONDAY OF THE, OF THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, 11 O'CLOCK COMMITMENT.
SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT Y'ALL DECIDE.
SO YES, I DO NOT, SO IN ORDER TO HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT, WE'LL BE GOING OUT THIS FALL RELATIVE TO, TO THIS FACILITY.
UM, AGAIN, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T, YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION UP TO THE POINT THAT YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ISSUE BONDS.
SO THIS, THIS DECISION CAN BE PUT OUT LATER REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE PLAN.
YOU CAN FUND IT EITHER WAY, BUT I JUST NEEDED TO KNOW HOW TO PRESENT IT.
UM, CAN JUST TO PAUSE ON THIS CONVERSATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE, UM, IN OCTOBER WE AUTHORIZED A MILLION DOLLARS TO BE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT, BUT TODAY WE'VE ONLY SPENT 200,000 AND SO THAT DOES TAKE TIME UNTIL WE ACTUALLY WRITE THE CHECKS.
SO IF THINGS MOVE FORWARD AND IF THE MONEY, THE, THE ESTIMATES CAME BACK WHERE IT WAS REASONABLE AND IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD, WHEN WOULD WE EVEN, COULD WE EVEN BREAK GROUND? I MEAN, AND THEN, THEN MY POINT IS, AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT THEN THOSE CHECKS WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT ON THE PROJECT.
SO IT MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT EVEN BE HAVING TO PAY IN FULL IF IF IF WE DO THIS UNTIL 27 OR 28 FISCAL YEAR.
IS THAT OUR, IS THAT ON TARGET? YES.
THAT'S FROM A CASH FLOW POINT OF VIEW.
YOU'VE GOT CASH AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIT THAT 5 MILLION RIGHT UP FRONT.
QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU GO TO THE BOND MARKET BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY OF SCALE, YOU KNOW THE COST OF ISSUANCE MM-HMM
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GO IN 26 AND 27 IF YOU CAN AVOID IT BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THE COST OF ISSUANCE.
YOU GET, YOU GET FAMILY PRICING, PUT IT TOGETHER MM-HMM
AND, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WOULD GO FOR LIKE ULTIMA ROAD BOND AND THAT'S PROBABLY IN 28.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SPIT THAT OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT MY EYES ON IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO MOVE IT AROUND.
IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T THINK LAST YEAR FOR IT TO, TO BE THERE.
SO IT'S UM, I, YOU KNOW, AND ACTUALLY IF WE CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY HAD BEEN AMENABLE, THIS RACK FACILITY WOULD BE OPEN AND THE SCHEDULE TO BEEN OPENED SPRING OF 2025 OR SUMMER OF 2025 AS THE PROJECTIONS WERE GOING AT THAT TIME.
SO WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THIS IS GETTING INTO, IN ALL MY 16 YEARS UP HERE, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE OF WHAT WE DO ON A BOND OR NOTES.
IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY AS IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE CIP SO I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE IT ALONE.
I THINK THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA GET VERY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SUSPICIOUS IF WE START FOOLING WITH THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLACED IN THERE AND THAT THEY'VE ALREADY STUDIED AND THEY ALREADY KNOW.
SO, AND THAT GOES FOR ALL THE COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE CONFUSION IS, IS BECAUSE IT WAS A $5 MILLION BOND FOR YEARS, EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT KEPT INCREASING BECAUSE OF INFLATION AS A BOND FOR THE PARKS REC DEPARTMENT RELOCATION, IT GOT SHIFTED AND I, IN MY OPINION, IT JUST DIDN'T GET LABELED ON THAT LINE ITEM AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT RELOCATION.
IT JUST SAID BOND AND IT WASN'T LABELED AS THIS.
I THINK IT DROPPED THIS TERMINOLOGY GOING FROM THIS YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO EVERY, EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT RELABELED WHEN IT WAS IN THE CIP AND WE STUDIED IT LAST YEAR AND WHEN WE VOTED ON IT IN JUNE.
WELL, I I WILL SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON KIRK'S PART WITH, WITH THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE WE KNEW THERE'D BE, UM, THE ECONOMY OF SCALE AND IT WOULD COST YOU LESS TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THAT FACILITY.
AND YOU FELT LIKE SIMPLY WITH WHAT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION PRICING THAT WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE GOING TO, TO NEED EVERY BIT OF THAT FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT.
WHETHER IT'S FOR THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR, FOR THE FACILITY ITSELF, WHICH IS WHY THE, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL NEED A $5 MILLION BOND EVEN IF TWO AND A HALF MILLION
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IS ALL YOU NEED FOR THAT FACILITY.JUST GENERALLY DOING THE WISDOM THAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS IN
SO IN, I MEAN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS, AS WE'RE DOING THIS, LIKE WHEN WE DID THE CITY MANAGER INTERVIEWS AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE REMARKED TO US ABOUT HOW UNUSUAL IT WAS TO SEE OR HOW UNUSUAL IT IS TO HAVE AAA BOND RATING.
AND I HEARD THE COMMENT MADE A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT PART OF THAT AAA BOND RATING IS BEING DELIBERATE AND CONSISTENT AND PLANNED IN YOUR SPENDING, IN YOUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.
AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE NON-POLITICAL NATURE OF OUR BOND AND OUR BOND ISSUANCE AND OUR FINANCIAL CAPITAL STRUCTURE HAS BEEN PART OF HOW WE'VE EARNED THAT.
THE AAA BOND RATING, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT AND SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF.
AND IT MADE TOTAL SENSE TO ME AS WE WENT THROUGH AND TALKED ABOUT THIS RACKET PICKLEBALL CONCEPT AND PROJECT THAT PART OF THAT BUSINESS PLAN WAS TO TRY TO PUT 'EM TOGETHER WITH THE PARK RELOCATION AND, AND HAVE A CAPITAL STRUCTURE THAT REFLECTED THAT AND WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE BOND COMPANIES ANOTHER IN ADVANCE.
AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IF WE SEEM TO BE CHANGING THE WORDING AND, AND MONKEYING THE BOUNDARY OF AN ELECTION SEASON, YOU KNOW, FOR ELECTION PUR PURPOSES, I'M CONCERNED IT MAY NOT BE A GOOD LOOK FOR THE REASONS THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER LITTLE AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED.
SO I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO JUST PUT RED FLAGS ON THIS BY MONKEYING AROUND WITH IT TOO MUCH, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW.
UH, NOBODY'S MONKEYING WE'RE CLARIFYING IT DID DROP THE TERMINOLOGY OF PROX OF PARKS RELOCATION DEPARTMENT WHEN YOU WENT FROM THIS CIP TO THIS ONE ON PAGE ONE 16, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT THE PARKS RELOCATION AS A PART OF THIS.
IT'S GOTTA BE IN THERE HOW IT IS.
I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE IN THERE BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IF WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ECONOMIES OF SCALE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE RELOCATED IN THERE AND IT NEEDS TO BE ISSUED.
SO WE'RE CHANGING THE WORDING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT AND WE'RE TAKING IT FROM YEAR TO YEAR, WE'RE NOT MONKEYING WITH ANYTHING, WE'RE CLARIFYING BECAUSE IT WAS VERY CONFUSING TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY MADE THE ASSUMPTION, WHEN IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM THAT THE 5 MILLION WAS A BOND FOR THE WHOLE THING WHEN PART OF IT IS ABSOLUTELY FOR A PARKS RELOCATION PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY I I HAVE ADDED THAT NOTE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE IN, IN THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW, TWO AND A HALF MILLION PARKS HEADQUARTERS IF YOU'D LIKE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION I'M ASKING YOU.
OBVIOUSLY AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE IN HERE THAT ARE FINE WITH DOING THAT.
I WILL ADD, SINCE THIS VIDEOED AND ON RECORD, I PROTEST THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN LAST YEAR'S CIP AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR, FOR UH, WHATEVER REASON ON THIS ONE.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COMMUNITY IS IN SUCH AN UPROAR ABOUT WHETHER THEY DO WANT IT OR THEY DON'T WANT IT.
AND PART OF THE IS THEY DON'T KNOW.
SO, SO MINE IS IS THAT MINE IS UNDER PROTEST.
IT'S, IT'S ONE FACILITY, WHATEVER IT COSTS, THE BOND IS FOR THAT FACILITY.
IT'S LISTED AT $5 MILLION LAST YEAR.
BUT EVEN IF IT'S LISTED AT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, DOESN'T MATTER.
STILL COULD HAVE HAD A BOND REFERENDUM THAT WAS REJECTED SO Y'ALL CAN WRITE IT AND YOU SUB NOTE IT OR DO WHATEVER.
WE DON'T VOTE ON IT UNTIL JUNE BY GOD'S GRACE I. MAY BE A COMMISSIONER AND BY GOD'S GRACE I. MAY NOT BE A COMMISSIONER THAT'S THAT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD.
BUT AS I SIT RIGHT NOW IN MARCH, I PROTEST THAT NOTE BEING PLACED IN THERE.
SO I JUST WANT THAT ON RECORD.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, I DO THINK THAT'S MONKEYING WITH THINGS AND I THINK IT IT, IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT MORE SUSPICION AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS.
I THINK IT CLARIFIES IT ALL ALONG AS A PART OF THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
PART OF IT WAS A PARKS RELOCATION AND IT NEEDS TO CLARIFY THAT AND IT NEEDS TO REFLECT IT ON PAGE ONE 16, THAT PART OF IT WAS FOR THE PARKS RELOCATION AND IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT AN INDOOR RACKET FACILITY AND THAT HELPS CLARIFY THINGS AND FULL TRANSPARENCY FOR PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.
IF, IF, IF WE HADN'T ALREADY PREVIOUSLY HAD IT IN THERE, I COULD SEE YOU WOULDN'T WANNA CHANGE IT, BUT WE DID PREVIOUSLY HAVE IT IN THERE.
I ALSO THINK THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS TO THIS THING.
WE'VE GOT LEGISLATION PENDING WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT FLUID, BUT I THINK I DO THINK CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THAT WAY BEFORE, UM, A LOT OF THINGS
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ARE GONNA HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE WHEN WE APPROVE IT OR NOT APPROVE IT.AND UM, I I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP ALL THAT IN MIND.
TH THIS IS, THIS IS NOT JUST THAT EASY.
WE VOTE ON IT RIGHT HERE AND IT'S DONE AND MOVE FORWARD.
WE GOT A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO YEAH, I GUESS COMMISSIONER SPEARS DO AGREE THAT THE BOND ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT SHOULD HAVE THE NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER MCMAN SUGGESTS BASED ON THE HISTORY FROM 2018 AND THE PROJECT BEING SEPARATED OUT FOR THE PARKS OPERATIONAL FACILITY AND IT'S HAVING ITS OWN PROJECT UNTIL THE FISCAL YEAR OR UNTIL THE CIP OF 2025.
TO ME IT'S MISLEADING TO LUMP THAT IN TOGETHER SINCE IT HAD BEEN SEPARATED OUT FOR ALL THOSE MANY YEARS BEFORE AND THE ONLY BOND ATTACHED TO EITHER OF THOSE PROJECTS WAS ONLY IN THE CIP AND AS WE KNOW THE CIP IS A FLUID DOCUMENT SO EACH YEAR WE CAN CHANGE THE CIP DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE COMING AND GOING EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST YEAR, THAT'S WHAT WE VOTE ON WITH THE BUDGET.
BUT THE REMAINING FOUR TO SIX YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YEAR YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE IS A FLUID DOCUMENT FOR GUIDING PURPOSES.
AND SO IT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS MISLABELED FOR FOR TO PUT IT ALL INTO ONE CATEGORY OF THE END POTENTIAL INDOOR RECORD FACILITY AND NOT LINE ITEM IT OUT JUST LIKE WE DID ALL THE OTHER ITEMS. ALL THE OTHER ITEMS ARE LINED OUT ITEMED OUT FROM A FISCAL YEAREND TRANSFER, A UM, GENERAL FUND BALANCE, ADEQUATE FACILITIES TAX YEAR IN EXCESS REVENUE AND IT WASN'T LINE ITEM DOWN AND I THINK WHETHER IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT OR WHATEVER AND NOW THIS IS THE CHANCE TO CLARIFY FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY KNOW FOR SURE.
AND JUST ONE MORE NOTE, YOU CANNOT HAVE A BOND REFERENDUM IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BOND ISSUE.
COMMISSIONER'S TRYING TO ARRIVE AT MM-HMM
DO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO CONTINUE TO SHOW, KINDA LIKE I'VE GOT IT NOW, THERE'S $5 MILLION IN BONDS AND THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF THIS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS FACILITY BEING A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
IS THAT ACCURATE? BECAUSE IT COULD BE FIVE OR IT COULD BE TWO AND A HALF AND, AND AND AND IT YOU CAN GIMME THE DIRECTION WHICH WAY YOU'D LIKE THAT SEAN.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY AT 5 MILLION LIKE IT WAS.
WELL I THINK WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT IS HOW MUCH IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE'RE STILL AT 5 MILLION IN BONDS.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE I GOTTA, YOU GOTTA ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHERE'S THE, THE OTHER MONEY GONNA COME FROM.
YOU GOTTA BACKFILL THAT IF IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 5 MILLION IN BONDS.
I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER SPEARS IS SAYING IS, WELL, AT ONE POINT YOU HAD 5 MILLION BONDS SHOWN FOR THE PARKS FACILITY.
MM-HMM
YEAH, THAT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION.
AND YOU CAN HAVE A BOND REFERENDUM 'CAUSE YOU, YOU DO AN ISSUE AND STUFF BOND OF A PROJECT THAT IS UPON THE HORIZON.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE UNTIL I GUESS JUNE, SO I DO IT UNDER PROTEST SO Y'ALL CAN CHANGE THE WORDING 'CAUSE I'M IN THE MINORITY BUT THAT I I AM NOT FOR THAT.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE TODAY? I HAVE DIRECTION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST WANNA LOOK FORWARD TO THE MARCH 20TH BRIEFING.
UM, WE HAVE THE AUDITORS COMING TO TALK TO YOU AS WE ALWAYS DO GOOD THE, REGARDING THE RACKET FACILITY.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WILL THIS BE A PART OF THE GENERAL FUND OR WILL IT BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND KIND OF STANDING ON ITS OWN.
KAREN HARPER WILL BE PREPARED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH AND YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION ON HOW YOU'D LIKE THE BUDGET DOCUMENT TO REFLECT THIS, WHETHER IT'S STANDALONE OR PART OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ON THE 20TH.
AND IN ADDITION, SPORTS FACILITIES, COMPANIES NEEDS FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND WE'RE PREPARED TO HAVE A SPEAKER PHONE CONVERSATION, A CONFERENCE CALL WITH THEM ON THAT DATE AND THEY'RE GONNA ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT UTILIZATION OF THE FACILITY, WHAT AS ASSUMPTIONS SHOULD THEY PUT IN THERE.
AND THEY CAN PUT SORT OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS, BUT THEY WANNA HEAR FROM YOU AS FAR AS IS THERE FREE TIME, COURT TIME THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED? IS THERE UNRESERVED COURT TIME THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST PAID, RESERVED COURT TIME.
UM, AND THEY MAY ASK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT UTILIZATION THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
WE DO HAVE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THEY'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO.
THEY'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO ANDY BE AND TO JOHN IZZY.
IS THAT PEASY PEASY? UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET 'EM IN TOUCH WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW THE UM, MARYLAND FARMS Y IS WORKING.
BUT I THINK THIS PART OF IT, THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
SIMPLY BE PREPARED ON THE 20TH TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
CAN YOU ASK THEM PRIOR TO THE 20TH? YES.
IF THEY CAN FIND OUT IF ANY OF THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S CURRENT INDOOR COURTS ARE FREE TIME OR IF ALL INDOOR COURTS HAVE TO BE
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RESERVED VIA SOME FORM OF PAYMENT, WHETHER IT'S DISCOUNTED OR FULL PRICE OR WHATEVER.DO THEY HAVE ANY FREE COURT TIME, INSIDE DATE? WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THEN.
AND I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WHERE YOU WERE GOING WAS, UH, CAN THEY PROVIDE YOU ANY QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME? WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT.
KINDA GET YOU GOING AND THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND DO YOU HAVE A CONTACT GORDON HAMPTON FOR BLUE COUNTY PARKS AND RECORD? HE CAN, HE CAN CONTACT YOU, SOMEONE WHO CAN ANSWER THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I'LL REACH OUT TO GORDON, WHOEVER HE TURNS ME OUT HELP.
AND YOU HAD MENTIONED ANDY, DO YOU NEED HIS NUMBER? WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT IT, YEAH.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, ONE THING IN THE INITIAL BUDGET KICKOFF MEETING THAT WAS UNRESOLVED IS THE TCRS HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY.
UM, I DID HEAR FROM AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER WHO SAID THAT WANTED US TO CONSIDER DOING THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME WAS THAT WE DON'T IMPLEMENT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE IT'S A DISCUSSION YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE.
AND SO WE'LL BE PRAYED ON THE 20TH TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND I'LL SEND YOU AGAIN, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT AND, AND CAN YOU GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY YOU DON'T RECOMMEND IT ANYMORE? THEM NOT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OH, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS.