* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing January 9, 2025 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the January 13th Agendas, the below items will be discussed: Discussion of options for construction of Windy Hill Park trails Discussion of resident request to extend Murray Lane school zone speed limit Discussion of 2025 Memorial Day event and schedule Overview of legal process and requirements for a bond referendum Presentation of Water and Sewer rate study results and recommendations This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.] ALRIGHT, WE'RE ON. THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE, UH, I READY TO GO HERE. IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO WELCOME BACK EVERYBODY AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND WE GOT, OF COURSE, SEVERAL ITEMS, UM, TO DISCUSS. AND THE FOLKS FROM WILL DAN, OUR RATE CONSULTANTS, WILL BE HERE. I TOLD 'EM THEY DIDN'T NEED TO COME RIGHT AT NINE. UM, BUT THEY'LL BE HERE EVENTUALLY AND WE'LL UM, SHIFT OVER TO THEM TOO. SO, UM, JUST A QUICK UPDATE. THAT'S THE LATEST SLIDE FOR, UH, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE THIS MORNING. YOU NOTICE, I MEAN, GETTING A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER DOWN HERE, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S STILL A TYPICAL MIDDLE TENNESSEE WINTER STORM FORECAST MAY END UP WITH NOTHING TOMORROW OR SIX INCHES, WHO KNOWS? CORRECT. UH, I TOLD YOU ALL KIND OF THE PLAN. UH, WE WILL MAKE A FINAL DECISION THIS AFTERNOON RELATIVE TO THE LIBRARY AND PARKS, BUT CERTAINLY LEANING ON JUST CLOSING THEM AS OPPOSED TO GETTING PEOPLE IN AND CAN'T GET 'EM OUT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, CITY HALL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD A STORM WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, LOCKED CITY HALL. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA JUST BRING SOMEBODY IN TO SIT AND ANSWER THE PHONE IN THE SNOW. SO WE PROBABLY WILL KEEP CITY HALL LOBBY LOCKED TOMORROW. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WHO CAN ANSWER THE PHONES FROM HOME AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. UH, MAYBE A FEW PEOPLE IN. MOST FOLKS PROBABLY WORKING FROM HOME TOMORROW. I TOLD, UM, TODD BAD NEWS THIS ON FACEBOOK THIS MORNING. CHANNEL FIVE POSTED. THEY WERE HAVING DINNER LAST NIGHT WITH JIM CANTO . HE'S IN TOWN, SO THAT'S NOT GOOD. . WELL, I HOPE THEY SHOW HOW OUR ROADS ARE THE BEST ONES AROUND THE FASTEST. YEAH. IT'LL BE A HEAVY WET SNOW, WHICH I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, A LITTLE EASIER TO DEAL WITH, MAYBE, OR, YEAH. IT ELIMINATES DRIFTING POTENTIAL BLOWING POTENTIAL. UH, IT'S SLOPPY, IT'S HEAVY. IT'S REALLY HARD ON PEOPLE SHOVELING. IT'S ALSO HARD ON TRUCKS, BUT, UH, IT PRODUCES LESS ACCUMULATION 'CAUSE IT'S SOME MOIST, SO THAT'S GOOD. SO OUR TITLE HAVE FOLKS IN EARLY AND KIND OF RUNNING ONE CREW AS LONG AS IT'S, WE NEED 'EM TO RUN TOMORROW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GUYS AND TO, TO DO RUN A TWO SHIFTS. SO WE'RE RUNNING 'EM THROUGH. WE'VE GOT HOTEL ROOMS FOR 'EM TOMORROW NIGHT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. POLICE HAS SOME HOTEL ROOMS READY FOR THEIR FOLKS FIRE'S ON A NORMAL SHIFT THURSDAY, FRIDAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SHIFT CHANGE IN THE MORNING. WE'LL HAVE ONE ON SATURDAY. THEY OF COURSE HAVE SOME EXTRA BEDS AND STATIONS FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME IN EARLY. THAT'S NEEDS TO BE IN ON SATURDAY MORNING. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THOSE FOLKS HAVE DONE IT ENOUGH TIME, SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. SO, SHOULD BE GOOD. I MEAN, THEY'RE ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES AND I, I MEAN, THEY GET IT. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, BUT THAT WAS THE UPDATE. UH, I'VE HEARD TALK ON TWITTER FROM A COUPLE OF REPUTABLE PLACES ABOUT POTENTIAL WARMER AIR COMING IN SOONER AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WHO KNOWS? NATURAL SEVERE WEATHER, . YEAH. BEST. THEY'RE THE BEST AND THEY'RE FUNNY. YEAH. SO NO PRE-MEETINGS. REGULAR MEETINGS. START TIME. SEVEN O'CLOCK WE HAVE OATH OF OFFICE FOR SEVERAL NEW POLICE OFFICERS. UM, AND THEN SO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. DOES THAT PUT US PRETTY CLOSE TO PAUL, KURT, POLICE OFFICER? UH, JUST ROUGHLY I'M THIS NO, I THINK WE'RE STILL A COUPLE SHORT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST HAD ONE THAT LEFT US TO GO TO THE COUNTY. YEAH. ACCUSED FOLKS. HE NEEDS TO STOP THAT. WELL, HE OFFERED HIM A PROMOTION AT A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE THAT WE COULD OFFER. OH YEAH. I MEAN, AND UH, AND KUDOS TO HIM. IT IS A, UH, A NICE PROMOTION. YEAH. UH, AND HE'LL BE MISSED. HE'S A GOOD OFFICER FOR SURE. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'RE STILL A FEW, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE JOHN WOODS RETIREMENT AND THEN RICHARD'S RETIREMENT, SO THE TRICKLE DOWN OF THAT STILL, SO, YEAH. YEAH, I WAS, I MEAN, HE'S PROBABLY ALWAYS GET TWO OR THREE LOSE ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S JUST KIND OF THAT CONSTANT KIND OF CHURN OF ALWAYS STAYING A HANDFUL BEHIND. UM, SO ANYWAY, UM, BUT RICHARD CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR DIRECTLY ON, UH, MONDAY. AND NUMBER SIX, UH, ITEM ONE IS, UH, UH, YOUR AUTHORIZATION. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I DUNNO IF IT WAS THE LAST TIME OR TWO TIMES BEFORE ABOUT THE LOGS, UH, THAT ARE LEFT OVER FROM, UM, BOTH, UH, UH, BRENT VIEW AND, UH, SOME WORK AT SMITH PARK. SO WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE GET RID OF THOSE AND ALL THAT. AND SO THIS RECOMMENDS US PUTTING IT OUT ON, UH, GO DEALS. UM, I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE HISTORIC WOOD TYPE COMPANIES THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW IT'S OUT THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYMORE HERE. THERE'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, THE LOGS ARE A QUESTIONABLE, UH, UTILITY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF NAILS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE IN THEM. BUT WE'LL PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT WE GET, WHICH MAY BE NOTHING. [00:05:01] THE MONEY THAT YOU GET FROM THAT, DOES IT GO BACK TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION OR DOES IT GO BACK INTO IT'S NOT OUR MONEY. YEAH. KNOW IT'LL GO BACK TO THIS IS THE CITY'S MONEY. WELL, PROBABLY BACK TO WHATEVER FUND THIS PRO WAS IT FACILITIES MAINTENANCE OR CAPITAL PROJECT MAINTENANCE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER FUND IS FUNDING THAT PROJECT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM TWO IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH TO OUR CONTRACT WITH CHANGE CONSTRUCTION, WHO'S DOING OUR CITYWIDE KIND OF FIBER UPDATE REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. THE RAGSDALE ROAD PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, ANY, NOT ANY S MIDDLE TENNESSEE RELOCATED THEIR POLES. MARTIN'S FIRST PLAN WAS THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO MOVE OUR FIBER, UH, ON HIS, ON HIS OWN, BUT WHERE THEY MOVE THE POLES IS TOO FAR OFF THE ROAD FOR HIM TO GET IN AND BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO WE NEED A, A OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT. AND SO, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADD THAT WORK AS A CHANGE ORDER TO THE ALREADY EXISTING CONTRACT WITH KANE. AND THAT'S, UH, ABOUT $36,500 TO DO THAT WORK, WHICH IN TOTAL TRANSPARENCY HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. 'CAUSE WE JUST NEEDED TO, TO GET IT GOING. SO HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL SEE FIT TO, UH, APPROVE THAT ON MONDAY. UM, AND LIKE I SAY, THERE IS A CONTINGENCY IN THAT CONTRACT, BUT THIS OBVIOUSLY EXCEEDS THAT. AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE CONTRACT OR CONTINGENCY FOR THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THAT 36,500, WHICH IS JUST WHERE THEIR POLAR CONDUIT THROUGH. UM, NO, THIS IS NOT IN IN THE AIR. THESE WILL BE IN THE AIR. YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S IN THE, IT'S ON THE POLES TODAY. SO WHEN THEY MOVE THE POLES, WE HAVE TO MOVE IT WITH IT PROBABLY HAD IT UNDER CONDUIT. OKAY. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, IN, IN HINDSIGHT WE COULD HAVE CONSIDERED PUTTING THAT INTO THE PROJECT. I THINK THE DEFAULT WAS, IT'S WHERE IT'S AT TODAY. WE'LL PUT IT BACK TODAY. I DON'T, YEAH, I GET IT. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE IS A DESIGN AGREEMENT WITH BARGE DESIGN SOLUTIONS TO PERFORM. WE NEEDED ENGINEERING WORK FOR THE TWO BRIDGE REPAIR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CIP. UM, THAT'S THE RAILROAD WITH THE CROCKETT ROAD BRIDGE OVER THE RAILROAD. AND THE, UM, IS IT, IS IT ON RIVER OAKS DRIVE? IT IS RIVER OAKS DRIVE BRIDGE. UM, WE, YOU MAY RECALL WE TALKED ABOUT THESE A LITTLE BIT IN THE CIP THAT, THAT'S JUST SOME PICTURES FROM THE CROCKETT ROAD BRIDGE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME SETTLING ON THE APPROACHES, UM, AND ALL THAT. AND THEN, UH, RIVER OAKS BRIDGE, WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF THAT, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S UNDER THERE ARE IN HERE UNDER SURFACE. ARE THEY, THEY'RE THE PACKAGE THERE. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE WHERE IT'S STARTING TO PEEL AWAY AND SCALE OFF AND THAT. SO, UM, THE ENGINEERING WORK, UH, AND TODD CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, IS POTENTIALLY ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE RESPECT CONSTRUCTION WORK, WHICH WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH OVER THE LAST MONTH OR TWO. UM, BUT HE'S TALKED TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT FIRMS AND THIS SEEMS TO BE, IF I SAY IT'S ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE EXPECT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO BE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THERE'S THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE CROCKETT ROAD WORK, ESPECIALLY TRAFFIC CONTROL BEING ONE OF THEM. CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING, TYPICALLY WITH BRIDGE RECONSTRUCTION OR BUILDS, ENGINEERING COSTS DON'T EXCEED, BUT 10 15% OF THE OVERALL BUDGET, IN THIS CASE, THE CONSTRUCTION VOLUME, THE VOLUME OR THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION NEEDED ISN'T AS HIGH. SO THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY COMPARABLE. THE ENGINEERING WORK, IT WAS HARD FOR US TO KIND OF WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT THE ENGINEERING WORK WOULD COST NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THESE PICTURES, ARE THEY FROM 2021? YES MA'AM. IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED MUCH. UM, BUT THAT'S FROM THE 2021. AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, TECHNICALLY IN TDOT'S RANKING SYSTEM, THESE, BOTH THESE BRIDGES STILL RANK AS GOOD. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THINKING THAT WE GOT, THIS CRISIS IS NOT ALL THAT OLD. I CAN REMEMBER THE OLD WOODEN BRIDGE, EARLY NINETIES MAYBE. YEAH, I THINK EARLY MID NINETIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO, UH, THIS WILL BE A NUISANCE TO US BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL. WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S WIDE ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT'LL BE TIGHT AND THEY'LL WORK ON ONE SIDE AT A TIME. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK THEY'LL HAVE TO DO IN THE CENTER. SO IT'LL LENGTHEN THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. UH, PROBABLY ANTICIPATED TO BE EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS OVERALL BECAUSE OF THAT. IF WE WERE ABLE TO JUST SHUT THE BRIDGE DOWN OR SOMETHING, WHICH I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, THEY CAN PROBABLY GET IT DONE IN, YOU KNOW, SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS. BUT GIVEN THAT IT'S GOTTA BE KINDA STAGED AND SEQUENCED, IT'S GONNA DRAG ON AND NOT, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON CROCKETT, [00:10:01] NOT RIVER OAKS. YEAH, THAT'D OBVIOUSLY RIVER OAKS, NO REAL TRAFFIC CONTROL NEEDED. IT'S ALL UNDERNEATH THE BOX. CULVER, WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION STARTING? UM, IDEALLY IN THE SCHOOL SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. UM, BUT IT, IT WON'T BE COMPLETE WITHIN THE SUMMER TIMEFRAME NEXT YEAR, ENGINEERING THIS YEAR, ALL THAT. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE IN 26? YES. OH, OKAY. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WILL BE JUST COORDINATION WITH CSX AND HOW LONG THAT TAKES. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT US TRYING TO BUDGET FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND TRAFFIC CONTROL PART. WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS IN THERE ALREADY, BUT BUMP UP THE CIPA LITTLE TO KIND OF BUMP IT UP A LITTLE AND MAKE SURE WE COVER IT IN THE CIP THE ROUNDABOUT. IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO DO IT IN THE SUMMERTIME THAT THAT AREA SEES A LOT OF TRAFFIC WITH SCHOOL. WE, WE, THEY'RE BOTH SUCH SMALL PROJECTS. IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED OF WHAT BID NUMBERS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IDEALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF, UH, CLEARY WAS INTERESTED IN IT WHILE THEY WERE STILL ON RAGSDALE ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAN PROBABLY OFFER SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT ANOTHER CONTRACTOR MOBILIZING JUST TO DO THAT WORK CAN'T. BUT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S JUST SPECULATION, BUT THEY'RE CAPABLE. AND JUST TO REPEAT, WHAT IF YOU, UM, IF THE WORK STARTS JUNE 1ST OF 26, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT TO LAST? EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SORRY, YOU SAID IT WOULD BE, IF WE SHOT EVERYTHING DOWN SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, AND I'M NOT PROPOS PROPOSING THAT POSSIBLY EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS, OTHERWISE, NOW, WILL PART OF THE, THAT ROAD BE CLOSED THAT ENTIRE NINE MONTHS OR WILL THERE BE GAPS WHEN THINGS WILL BE FINE ON THAT ROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND SHUT A PARK DOWN TO DO SOMETHING? WELL, I, I BELIEVE IT WOULD, IT WILL BE STAGED. SO YOU'LL SEE THEM WORKING ON, SAY, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE FIRST. ALL THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE PUSHED TO THE NORTH SIDE. IT'LL BE TIGHT. AND THEN YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE THEM JUMP TO THE NORTH SIDE PUSHING OVER. SO IT'S GONNA, SO A CONTINUOUS EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP TWO LINES OF TRAFFIC OPEN ABSOLUTELY. THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME. RIGHT. AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE THAT THERE BE A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN NOTHING WOULD BE GOING ON. SO IT WON'T BE JUST A ONE LANE ROAD WITH A SIGNALIZATION THAT'S, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MAYBE AN ALTERNATE OPTION. BUT IT'S SO CLOSE TO WILSON PIKE, IT WON'T FUNCTION BACK UP VERY WELL WITH THE SCHOOL. I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY SUCH A BUSY ROAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING TIME. IT, IT WON'T FUNCTION WELL AT ALL. AND IT'S RISKY BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT GET 'EM PATIENT AND RUN THE RED LIGHT AND THEN ADD ON. SO I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU DON. I APPRECIATE THE WORK, MAKING SURE THAT THE BRIDGE STAYS STRONG AND HEALTHY AS POSSIBLE. I THINK IT'S A TESTIMONY TO OUR CITY ON HOW WE APPROACH THINGS. BECAUSE ONE THING I MIGHT, SHOULD OTHER CITIES MIGHT JUST LET THIS GO . ONE THING I MIGHT SHOULD ADDRESS, SINCE YOU'RE TOUCHING IT FROM A REBUILD STANDPOINT, THEY ARE GONNA REQUIRE, AND, AND DEREK MAY BE ABLE TO JUMP IN HERE, UH, THEY ARE GONNA REQUIRE SAFETY FENCE ON THE NEW RECONSTRUCTED BRIDGE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CSX RAILWAY. SO YOU SEE THAT ON MCEWEN ACTUALLY IN FRANKLIN JUST DOWN OFF OF WILSON PIKE. A SIMILAR, LOOK, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN FORTUNATE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER SPOT WHERE WE HAVE SAFETY FENCE, BUT AS YEAH. SMITH PARK ENTRANCE. UH, YES WE DO. AND THAT'S MORE DECORATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE MORE COSTLY, BUT CERTAINLY AN OPTION. UM, THERE'S SOME ON MAC HATCHER AS WELL. YOU SEE IT IN ONE DIRECTION AND NOT ON THE OTHER. SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD TO TOUCH THAT BRIDGE AND ADD IT AT THAT POINT. BUT JUST ONE THING TO MENTION, 'CAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE THE LOOK. WELL DO WE GET TO CHOOSE THE SAFETY DEFENSE OPTION? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING MORE DECORATIVE THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS, THIS IS RIGHT DOWNTOWN . YEAH, I ASSUME AS YOU, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE CERTAIN CHARACTERISTICS OR, OR ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE IT MORE DECORATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE WE DID AT SMITH PARK. THERE'S A CERTAIN STANDARD AS FAR AS THE, THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE OPENINGS AND THAT KIND OF, AT LEAST THAT WAS WHAT WE DEALT WITH AT SMITH PARK. BUT I GUESS AS PART OF THE ENGINEERING, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS. FENCING, AGAIN, GETTING THAT, I MEAN, IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS. IT'S A VERY VISIBLE AREA RIGHT THERE BY THE SCHOOLS AND THE CHURCHES AND THE PARK AND THE EVENTS. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE THAT. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ONE TO PLUS SOME BY A MILLION BUCKS, BUT WE'RE TALKING AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT WE FIND WHAT IT IS FOR REAL, NOT JUST THE PLAINEST OPTION. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AT SOME POINT IN THE [00:15:01] LONG FUTURE YOU'LL SEE THAT ON TOWN CENTER WAY ONE MORE HAS TO OCCUR ON THAT BRIDGE. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KIND OF BE FAMILIAR WITH THE REQUIREMENT. YEAH, MAKES SENSE. AND THE DEPARTMENT'S FROM CSX, I THINK THE ODD ARE GETTING HIT BY A CAR UP THERE GREATER THAN YOU'RE HAVING TIME TO JUMP OFF ACTUALLY. I MEAN, REALLY IT'S VERY NARROW, ON THE SIDE. UM, OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE TO COME ON THAT IS, THAT MOVES FORWARD. ITEM FOUR IS AN AGREEMENT WITH BRIGHTVIEW, LLC FOR LANDSCAPING SERVICES AT TWO HISTORIC HOMES. UM, YOU RECALL, AGAIN, LAST MEETING OR TWO, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, WHERE TODD CHANGED HIS CONTRACTOR FROM TERRA FIRMA TO CLEMENTS. CORRECT. UM, FOR SOME OF HIS, UH, INTERSTATE. AND CHARLES MENTIONED AT THE TIME THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT, THEY WERE LOSING, UH, CONFIDENCE IN TERRA FIRMA AT THE HISTORIC HOME. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HISTORIC HOMES. THIS IS NOT THE MOWING, IT'S ALL THE FINE TRIMMING AND THE PLANTING AND LANDSCAPE WORK AROUND THE HOMES. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH BRIGHTVIEW WHO DOES ALL OF OUR OTHER CITY BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE THROUGH A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDDING, ALTHOUGH HE DID GET, UH, QUOTES ALSO FROM CLEMENTS. UH, BRIGHTVIEW WAS THE LOWEST QUOTE AND LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING WITH TERRA FIRMA. TOTAL IS A LITTLE OVER $37,000 FOR A YEAR'S WORTH OF WORK ON THAT. UM, SO THAT'S 7,600 HOURS LESS THAN CURRENT CONTRACT WITH TERRA FARMER. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT. AND THAT WILL PUT ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS UNDER BRIGHTVIEW, RIGHT? YES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MOWING. MOW, THE MOWING IS STILL DONE BY OTHERS AT THE TWO HOMES. I THINK. DAVE, YOUR CONTRACTOR DOES THE MOWING AT THE HOMES, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. UH, FIVE IS A, UH, CHANGE ORDER WITH MID-SOUTH RELATED TO THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT PROJECT AT BOEING SPRINGS. I'LL LET JAY KIND OF QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS. YEAH, BRIEFLY. COMMISSIONERS, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE WINDOWS, YOU PULL THE SHUTTERS OFF, GOTTA PUT 'EM BACK ON, AND THEY REALIZE THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE EXISTING SHUTTERS. WE HAVE, UH, WOOD HAS BEEN SCABBED TOGETHER TO REPAIR THE SHUTTERS OVER THE YEARS. SO SOME OF THEM ARE DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE ORIGINAL WEIGHT. AND THAT PUTS A LOT OF STRESS ON THE HINGES THAT SOME OF THE HINGES ARE DAMAGED. SO WE'VE, UM, ASKED FOR A, A QUOTE FROM MIDSOUTH AND THEY'VE GIVEN US THIS QUOTE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 16,550 TO REPLACE NINE PAIRS OF SHUTTERS ALONG WITH, UM, UH, SIX SETS OF HANGING HARDWARE. AND THE HISTORIC COMMISSION TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND THEY WOULD ASK THE CITY COMMISSION ALSO APPROVE THIS. THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM A FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND. JOEL, DO ANY KIND OF COMPARISON PRICING WITH ANYBODY ELSE FOR ANY OTHER KIND OF, NOT OFFICIAL BID, BUT ANY KIND OF COMPARISON TO SEE IF THIS WAS IN LINE? UM, BASED ON THE WORK WE'VE HAD DONE IN THE PAST, UM, THIS DIDN'T SEEM TO BE OUTTA LINE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE DOING. IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY GOOD PRICING. UM, WE DIDN'T GO OUT AND BID IT OR GET OTHER, OTHER QUOTES, BUT, UM, MID, MID-SOUTH HAS DONE REALLY GOOD WORK ON THAT STRUCTURE. AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM DO THIS AS WELL. MS. THE SHUTTERS WOOD, OR ARE THEY THEY'RE WOOD. OKAY. YES MA'AM. AND THAT INCLUDES PAINTING AND HANGING, ALL THAT, ALL OF THAT AND NEW AND NEW HARDWARE AND NEW CERTAIN NEW SETS OF HARDWARE? NOT ALL, BUT THE HARDWARE HAS TO BE REPLACED. I THINK THERE'S SIX SETS THAT HAVE TO BE REPLACED. OKAY. SO WOULD THEY BE VISUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE HISTORIC SHUTTERS THAT ARE UP THERE, OR NO? NO. SHOULD, SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO REALLY IT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUALITY HISTORIC YES SIR. ADDRESS. OKAY. ITEM SIX. HERE'S, UH, KIND OF THE FINAL CONSOLIDATION CLEANUP OF THE WATER OR THE SERVICE CENTER FUEL TANK REMOVAL. WE HAVE KEPT YOU UP TO SPEED ON KIND OF SOME OF THE CONTAMINATION AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO THERE. SO THIS CHANGE ORDER WAS FAT CO CHECK. UM, IS THE FI I THINK THE FINAL CLOSEOUT OF EVERYTHING J NO, WE, WE MAY STILL HAVE SOME BILLING COMING FROM, UH, WINGFIELD ENVIRONMENTAL. REMEMBER YOU HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR SOME OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING. BUT AS FAR AS SPATCO GOES, THIS SHOULD BE A, AND SOME OF THIS POTENTIALLY IS REIMBURSABLE FROM THE STATE. WE, WE BELIEVE SO. UM, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IF THE WELL'S REIMBURSABLE, BUT WE WILL SUBMIT IT AND, UH, POTENTIALLY GET BACK ALMOST $16,000 IF, UH, THE STATE AGREES. WHY WOULD THE STATE REIMBURSE FOR THIS? THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK FUND THAT IS SET UP TO HELP COMMUNITIES, UH, TO REMEDIATE LEAKING TANKS, CERTAIN PARTS OF IT. NOT, NOT ALL, OR, OKAY. OKAY. [00:20:02] THEN IN THEIR OLD BUSINESS WE HAVE THE, UM, AGREEMENT WITH SULLIVAN ENGINEERING FROM BACK, UH, JUNE THAT WOULD'VE PROCEEDED WITH THE DESIGN BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL RESULTS OF THAT, OF THE ORIGINAL STUDY, UH, THAT WAS DEFERRED TILL . WE'VE HAD FURTHER DISCUSSION OR HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AT YOUR NEXT BRIEFING, BUT IT WAS DEFERRED TO THIS DATE. SO IT'S GOTTA COME BACK UP. AND OUR ASSUMPTION IS, IS WHAT'S THE CORRECT MOTION, KRISTIN, IF IT'S TO, TO DISAPPROVE, TO MOTION TO DISAPPROVE. AND SULLIVAN FOLKS WILL BE AT YOUR NEXT BRIEFING TO TALK ABOUT THEIR SCOPE OF WORK, TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AND A FEW MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SO THEY'LL BE BRINGING OPTIONS TO US SULLIVAN, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION? NO, NO. THEY'RE GONNA TELL WE'RE GONNA, BEFORE WE EVER ENG ENGAGE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPROVE AN, AN CHANGE TO THEIR CONTRACT FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES. SO AT THE NEXT BRIEF, YEAH, I WANNA BE CLEAR. SO WE DON'T CHANGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS. WE HAD THEIR DISCUSSION WITH THEM SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER. SO WHEN THEY WERE HERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU ASKED THEM TO REALLY LOOK AT, COULD YOU REALLY USE THE ONE LANE EASTBOUND WESTBOUND, AND THEN THIS IDEA OF A FRONTAGE ROAD THING. BA LANE. HUH? BASKIN LANE. BASKIN LANE. I'M NOT SURE DEREK WANTS THAT ONE, BUT, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH, AND THEN SOME MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WHAT THOSE MEETINGS LOOK LIKE. WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO JUST NEGOTIATE THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THOSE THAT SERVICES. THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ON THAT YET. OKAY. BUT BEFORE WE BRING THAT CONTRACT TO YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL WORK, WE WANT THEM TO COME AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL IN OCTOBER OR WHENEVER THAT WAS. OKAY, HERE'S THEIR PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK. SO THEY'RE NOT COMING WITH ANY NEW ENGINEERING WORK OR ANYTHING ELSE. THIS IS JUST, HERE'S THE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT, TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS. SO IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS Y'ALL HAVE BEEN, STAFF HAS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH? JUST BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. OKAY. TRYING TO FINE TUNE AND FIX TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD AND KIND OF WHAT THEY HEARD WASN'T WHAT WAS REFLECTED IN THE FIRST SCOPE OF WORK. OKAY. AND WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH IT, SO. OKAY. DO YOU, THE PROJECT'S STILL ALIVE? IT'S STILL ALIVE, BUT I, I JUST WANT, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO THINK THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH SOME NEW REVISED ENGINEERED DRAWINGS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF AT NEXT WEEK. IT'S JUST, HERE'S THE PLAN FOR THEM TO DO EXTRA WORK. IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK YOU ALL WANT? IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND DO YOU REMEMBER THE DATE OF THAT WORK SESSION WE HAD WHERE THEY CAME LAST TIME? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU IT WAS IN THE FALL. OCTOBER, WELL THE FIRST TIME WAS SEPTEMBER 21ST. 2023. RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND TIME THEY CAME TO LAST. NO, I WAS AT, IT WAS FALL. THIS GOT DEFERRED IN JUNE, SO WE BROUGHT THEM BACK IN. IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS LATER. SEPTEMBER OR MONTHS. YEAH. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE. SO WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND OKAY. DEREK SEEMS TO BE LOOKING IT UP, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU . THANK YOU. OKAY, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO VOTE ON BECAUSE SULLIVAN HASN'T COME BACK BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED THEM AGAIN TO DO THE NEXT LEVEL OF WORK. RIGHT. BUT WE NEED TO PUT THIS ITEM TO BED. MM-HMM . THAT WAS DEFERRED. MM-HMM . SO WE START A NEW ONE. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO THE PLAN WOULD BE IS IF ASSUMING THIS IS DISAPPROVED, THEN WE'LL BRING THEM TO YOUR WORK SESSION THE NEXT TIME, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, Y'ALL SAY, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEN EITHER THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING OR FEBRUARY, YOU HAVE THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM TO DO THAT WORK THEN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WHAT, I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH SEPTEMBER, 2023 AND YOU KNOW, DICKEY SULLIVAN CAME HERE AND PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CONSIDERED, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, BOTH IN GENERAL AND SPECIFICALLY AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STANDARDS FOR THE ROAD. AND THEY, THEY SPOKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PRESERVING THE EXISTING ROAD BED AS AN ACTUAL ROAD AND WOULD THAT TAKE IN TERMS OF CURB AND GUTTER AND, AND STORM DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT AND SAFETY. AND THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE. AND THEY WENT THROUGH IT IN A LOT OF DETAIL AND THEY WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THAT AGAIN TO FOLLOWING SUMMER. AND WE DEFERRED THE ENGINEERING. BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE ASKING HAD TO DO WITH THE ENGINEERING THAT WE DEFERRED. AND I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS IS WHAT, WHAT ARE WE REALLY ASKING HERE? WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL STUFF FOR SULLIVAN? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS THAT CAME SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING HAD DEFINITELY NOT GONE BACK AND WATCHED THE, THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, AND TO, TO SEE THE STUFF THAT WAS CONSIDERED BECAUSE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THEY WERE ASKING WERE ADDRESSED TO ALL OF US IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF WE TRIED TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING ROAD AS A, AS A ROAD IF WE WERE TO MOVE IT AND, AND HOW WE COULD USE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPTIONS. AND, UH, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO FIND OUT? WHAT ARE WE WANTING TO PAY FOR HERE? UH, MY, MY RECOLLECTION IS AT THAT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BEEN, WE QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD USE THAT ROAD IN OUR ENGINEERING TEAM. SAID [00:25:01] YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS A VIABLE ROAD. IF YOU DID, YOU'D HAVE TO DIG IT OUT. REDO IT. IF YOU DUG IT OUT AND REDID IT, YOU'D KILL TREES. YEAH. AND LOSE THE ROCK. WHICH, WHICH DO ALSO, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA LOOK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF TREES WE HAD. DO WE HAVE DEAD TREES AND PART PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE NEXT, THE ONE WAS A TREE SURVEY, RIGHT. WE'D GET THAT. AND THEN, BUT I THINK THE CLARIFYING POINT, I MEAN THAT WAS KIND OF AT THE END OF THAT. AND TO ME, I, I WAS HOPING WE COULD USE THE OLD EXISTING ROAD. SO PERSONALLY I WAS SHOCKED THAT WE COULDN'T USE IT. SO THEN IF WE CAN'T USE THAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING. WELL WHAT STAFF? I'M SORRY. OH NO, GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA SAY WHAT STAFF TOOK IT FROM THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN SEPTEMBER, WHENEVER IT WAS, AGAIN, THERE WAS DIFFERING OPINIONS, BUT FROM A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION WAS TO JUST GO BACK AND CONFIRM WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T BE DONE WITH THE EXISTING ROAD, EITHER AS A TRAVEL LANE AND DEREK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, OR AS THIS IDEA OF STILL RETAINING ITS USAGE AS A FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH MEANS REDESIGNING HOW THOSE RESIDENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE ACCESS THE NEW ROAD THAT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH. THAT KIND OF LAYOUT OF THINGS AND SOME MORE COMMUNITY MEETING INPUT. AND WHAT'S THE FORMAT OF THOSE MEETINGS? SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ADDITIONAL AND THE TREE SURVEY OF THE EXISTING TREES, ORIGINALLY WHEN HARLAN WAS REZONED AND WE GOT THAT EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY WAS SO THAT WHEN WE BUILT THE NEW ROAD, WE COULD KEEP ONE LANE AS A BIKE PATH WALKING THING, WHATEVER THE OTHER LANE COULD BE WIDEN. AND THEN WE'D HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL LANE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE ACQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY AREA OVER THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY. IT JUST SEEMED TO KEEP EVOLVING AND EVOLVING AND EVOLVING. I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE REAL CLEAR IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE REZONED HAR AND WHAT THE GOAL WAS, BUT THAT CHANGED. SO I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY BRING US. AGAIN, I WANNA BE CLEAR, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING YOU ANY NEW PLANS. THEY'RE BRINGING YOU. I KNOW, BUT WHAT ADDITIONAL, WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE, IT MAY CLEAR UP THE FACT THAT NONE OF US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ARE STILL GOING TO USE IN ANY SCENARIO OF IMPROVING THAT ROAD. I'M NOT BLAMING YOU FOR THAT. NO, I'M NOT SAYING, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO THE NORTH IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, RIGHT? RIGHT. MM-HMM . IS IT BOTH LANES? IS IT ONE LANE? IS IT ONE LANE AND A BIKE, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT CAME FROM HARLAN. IT'S JUST WHAT IS IN THERE, RIGHT. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD ROAD AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, THE OTHER USE ALL OR WHATEVER THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT AWAY FOR. THERE'S TWO OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY FOR. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE IMPACTED UNLESS YOU DO NOTHING, THEY'RE GONNA BE IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. NO. SO, BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THIS IS HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE DATE THAT YOU ALL VOTED TO DEFER IT TO THE, THE COMMISSION VOTED TO DEFER IT TO. SO YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THIS ONE WHILE WE BRING YOU THEN KIND OF DISCUSSION NEXT TIME OF THE NEXT STEP FORWARD. SO DO WE VOTE FOR AGAINST NO, WE VOTE TO DISAPPROVE THIS ONE. WELL, DISAPP IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE, THE MOTION IS TO DISAPPROVE. YOU WOULD VOTE YES IF YOU WANT TO PUT THIS AWAY. IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE. SO, SO, SO, SO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE ENGINEERING. IT DEPENDS ON THE MOTION, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. AND IF WE VOTE TO DISAPPROVE THIS, THIS IS SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, UH, ENGAGE SULLIVAN ENGINEERING AGAIN TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO TAKE OUT THE TREES OR THE ROCK WALL OR DO SOMETHING TO, TO BRING THE, THE ROAD UP TO STANDARD AND, AND ESSENTIALLY GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS YES. THIS STUDY. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, BUT YOU'RE TAKING A PAUSE AND TAKING A STEP BACK TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS TO ADD SOME OTHER OPTIONS IN. IN OUR MEETING IN THE FALL, THERE WAS CLEAR DIRECTION GIVEN TO YOU STAFF ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION WENT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH SETTLEMENT OVER, THAT'S WHAT WE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS BELIEVE REFLECTED IN WHAT WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH YOU AT THE NEXT BRIEFING. JUDGE THE TREES, BECAUSE WE'RE, A LOT OF THIS TALK IS ABOUT THESE TREES AND IMPROVEMENTS OR CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE ORIGINAL ULTIMO ROAD COULD IMPACT THE TREES, COULD KILL THE TREES, DO, CAN WE NOT? DO I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A STUDY OR DOING SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THE TREES PRIOR, DURING THIS TIME. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO SULLIVAN ENGINEERING PLAN? IF, IF, IF WE JUST NEED TO EVEN SEE IF THESE TREES ARE VIABLE AND WORTH SAVING. WHO DID YOU THINK WAS STUDYING THE TREES DURING THIS TIME? I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET AN ARBORIST OR SOMEBODY. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT THESE TREES IN THE MEANTIME. THAT WAS PART OF WHAT SULLIVAN WOULD BE DOING. THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD. IT WAS JUST PART OF OKAY. I MEAN THEY'RE THE ONES ENGINEERING IT. THEY OUGHT TO BE THE ONES LOOKING AT THE TREES. SO COME ON UP. I'M TRYING TO BE BRIEF. SO YEAH, IF, IF YOU GUYS RECALL THE CON IN JUNE, YOU WERE REVIEWING A [00:30:01] CONTRACT WITH SULLIVAN THAT DID NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THIS EXTRA WORK THAT WAS DISCUSSED SUBSEQUENTLY AT THE BRIEFING IN SEPTEMBER. SO, UH, WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT THAT CONTRACT, WHICH WAS BASED ON OLD DIRECTION, WOULD BE DISAPPROVED AT THIS NEXT MEETING AND THEN TO KEEP THE PROJECT ALIVE. IF THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH YOU WITH A NEW CONTRACT. AND AS KIRK MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH SULLIVAN TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THAT SUBSEQUENT MEETING IN ALL OF 24, UH, USING THE OLD ROADWAY AS A FRONTAGE ROAD, UH, USING THE EXISTING ROADWAY AS A NEW ROAD, IMPROVED ROAD. AND I THINK THIS AT LEAST $15,000 IN THAT CONTRACT FOR A TREE SURVEY. SO TREE SURVEYS ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE THROWING THAT IN WITH THE, UH, OVERALL STUDY. AND WE NEED DIRECTION AS PART OF THIS NEW DESIGN ON WHICH TREES THE COMMISSION INTENDS TO KEEP MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER PART OF THIS NEW PROPOSAL IS, UH, AGAIN, AS KIRK MENTIONED, A, A MEETING WITH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY AND THEN A MEETING SUBSEQUENT TO THAT WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT PROPERTY DIRECTLY IMPACTED. YEP. AND UH, AND BETWEEN THOSE MEETINGS, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ANOTHER COME TO MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION? YES. RIGHT? YEP. YEP. OKAY. AND, AND, AND THE REASON WE'RE CONSIDERING MAKING OLD SMR ROAD, A FRONTAGE ROAD IS TO TRY TO KEEP THE DRIVEWAYS FROM CROSSING A, A WALKING A BIKE PATH. SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE CONSIDERING THE FRONT ROAD I AND PRESERVING THE, COMPLETELY PRESERVING THE NATURE OF THE OLD ROADWAY, IT WOULDN'T BE TOUCHED AND BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS IN THE MEANTIME SINCE THAT MEETING. YEAH. AND HEARING THEIR INPUT AND THAT THEY WANT MORE INPUT. SO COMMISSIONER AUGUST 22ND WAS THE DATE. AUGUST 22ND WAS THE MEETING THAT WE, AND WHILE THE, I MEAN THAT, AND WHILE THE TREE SURVEY IS NOT CHEAP, IF WE'RE MAKING A $10 MILLION DECISION, I THINK A $15,000 INVESTMENT IS WORTH IT BASED ON A $10 MILLION DECISION. SECOND. SO AGAIN, JUST EVERYBODY'S CLEAR. UM, SO ON MONDAY NIGHT, I MEAN IN THEORY SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. AND THEN IF YOU WERE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL THING, YOU WOULD VOTE FOR THAT MOTION. IF THE MOTION IS TO PUT THIS TO BED AND, AND CONTINUE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER, SOME MORE UPDATED INFORMATION, THEN THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DISAPPROVE THIS. AND IF THE MOTION IS TO DISAPPROVE AND THAT'S YOUR DESIRE, THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY VOTE FOR THAT MOTION TO DISAPPROVE. IT'S NOT AS EASY ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST THE DEAL? IT'S WHAT'S THE MOTION? AS FOR AGAINST. AND THEN IF, IF THIS IS, UM, PUT TO BED SOLO WILL BE BACK, UM, AT THE NEXT BRIEFING. UH, AND AGAIN THAT'S JUST ABOUT HERE'S THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO IN THIS NEXT STUDY. IT'S NOT HERE'S OUR NEW RECOMMENDATIONS OR HERE'S SOME NEW ENGINEERING. YOU ALL WOULD THEN VOTE ON THAT AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING THAT WOULD HAPPEN OVER THE SPRING. THEN AT THAT POINT THERE'S A DECISION OF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A B OR SHE OR WHATEVER THE OPTIONS ARE. THEN THERE WOULD BE A WHOLE NOTHER CONTRACT TO ACTUALLY DESIGN WHATEVER THAT PREFERRED PATH FORWARD IS SIMILAR IN SCOPE TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. OKAY. THE NEXT CONTRACT I THINK IS, WHAT ARE WE AT? 80, 90,000? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A HUNDRED? YES. YEAH. AND DISAPPROVING, THIS DOES NOT MEAN A PROJECT IS DEAD, IT MEANS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ALTER. IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE TAKING A STEP BACK, NOT ALL THE WAY BACK TO BEGINNING, BUT TAKING A STEP BACK TO LOOK AT OTHER, UH, ALTERNATIVE IDEAS. THEY'RE NOT REALLY BLACK OR WHITE A OR B, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE AT LEAST ONE NEW LANE ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT. YOU HAVE ONE, IS IT ONE OR TWO? WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THE OLD ROAD? WHAT'S YOUR COMMUNITY INPUT? BOY, DEJA VU. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD SO MANY TIMES. WELL, AND IT'S GREAT TO GET THAT EXTRA COMMUNITY INPUT BECAUSE ON THE LAST CYCLE WE ONLY HAD ONE MEETING, UM, IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. SO IT'LL BE GREAT TO GET MORE RESIDENT INPUT ON THIS NEXT CYCLE OF PLANS. SO, SO AGAIN, I, I THINK I TALKED TO ONE OF YOU ABOUT THE NEXT BRIEFING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A FACILITY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN AND, AND BRIAN RICHTER AND THE SO, AND I SAID, WELL, I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THE OLD SPRINTER ROAD THING IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES. AND WHOEVER IT WAS LAUGHED AT ME. BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL, THE GOAL HERE IS NOT A LONG IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL THE OPTIONS. IT'S JUST WHAT'S THE NEXT SET OF ENGINEERING WORK TO BE DONE? RIGHT. ARE WE INCLUDING OPTIONS THAT WE WANT IN THAT AGENDA ITEM? YEAH. IS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS CONTRACT? WHAT AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF YOU WANT THE NEXT STEP TO THAT PROJECT TO BE, YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK [00:35:01] HARD TO KEEP THIS ON TASK. . WAIT A WAY TO FINISH UP FEW LAST FEW LAST , I, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE VOCAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT . OKAY. SO IN GENERAL WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT DISCIPLINE. WELL, I AGAIN, HELP US DO, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS IS COMING TO YOU BASED UPON THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION'S INPUT OF THE DIRECTION WE GOT BACK IN AUGUST. I KNOW THERE'S STILL ALTERING OPINIONS, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY MOVE FORWARD BASED UPON THE MAJORITY DIRECTION. SO OKAY. NEW BUSINESS TWO REZONINGS, WHICH WOULD NORMALLY SOUND LIKE A BIG, BIG DEAL, BUT BOTH OF THEM ARE FAIRLY SMALL SCALE THINGS THAT YOU'VE, WE KIND OF BRIEFED YOU ON BEFORE. THE FIRST ONE IS OUT IN ROSEBROOK ON, UM, RELATED, UH, OFF OF UH, FOOTLAW ROAD. UH, ROSEBROOK SOUTH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS OF ROSEBROOK. YEAH. THE PRIMARY ROSEBROOK IS UP HERE AND ALREADY AND UNDERDEVELOPED IN MANY HOMES BUILT ROSEBROOK SOUTH IS THIS SECTION DOWN HERE. THERE'S BEEN NO WORK DONE ON THIS SECTION YET. THEY DO HAVE AN APPROVED, THEY HAVE A REZONING AND AN OSRV PLAN, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. MM-HMM. SO, UM, I MIGHT GO TO THIS ONE. UH, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE THE LOTS. UM, THE ORIGINAL ROSEBROOK YOU AROUND THAT ONE BEFORE. YEAH. IT'S JUST KIND OF VERY SMALL SCALE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT IN THIS AREA. THIS HAD, THIS AREA HERE IS THE OSRD ZONING AND IT HAD THREE OR 4, 3, 3 LOTS THAT FRONTED ALONG SPLIT LOG THAT, THAT CAME IN AS R TWO ZONING. UM, AND THE SH AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN IS THIS LITTLE HATCHED AREA HERE AND DEREK OR TODD, PLEASE TELL ME WHEN I GET THIS WRONG, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE OSRD ZONING BECAUSE IT WAS THOUGHT TO BE WETLAND AND NEEDED TO BE WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA OF THE STREAM. YEAH. IT WAS WITHIN THE COMMON OPEN SPACE. COMMON OPEN SPACE FOR THE OSRD, FOR THE OSRD ON THE, AND THERE'S A STREAM THAT RUNS DOWN HERE. UH, WELL THEY'VE SINCE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL DETERMINATIONS TO SAY THAT THIS AREA ISN'T PART OF A WETLAND AND THEREFORE IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE, UH, IN THE, UH, OPEN SPACE BUFFER FOR THAT STREAM. SO THEIR REQUEST IS TO TAKE THIS LITTLE 0.41 ACRE AREA THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THESE R TWO LOTS AND REZONE IT FROM OSRD TO R TWO AND TO ALLOW THEM TO DO A LITTLE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OF THOSE LOTS. UH, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN OSRD DOESN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN R TWO, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST, UM, ALLOWS THEM, AND REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE, AND, AND THIS IS JUST THE ENGINEERED PART OF IT, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE. UM, SO HERE'S THE KIND OF THE RECONFIGURATION AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IF YOU'RE, DO THE MATH. THESE ARE THE THREE R TWO LOTS. HERE'S WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED ON AND HERE'S WHAT THEY BECOME. AND ESSENTIALLY THIS 0.41 ALLOWS THEM TO RECONFIGURE THE R TWO LOTS TO MAINTAIN TWO ACRES AND DEDICATE TO US THE NEEDED RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FUTURE. WIDENING A SPLIT LOG ROAD. SO REALLY THE, THE MOST OF THE LAND BEING RECONFIGURED HERE ENDS UP COMING NOT THAT LAND EXACTLY, BUT THE WHOLE RECONFIGURATION IS WE GET WHAT WE NEEDED, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN FOR SPLIT LOG ROAD WIDE. THIS IS NOT, THIS AREA IS NOT WHERE, UH, IT'S UM, MOVING. UH, WE'RE JUST IMPROVING THE EXISTING ROAD WIDENING. IT'S SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT REDIRECTION. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UP THERE. THAT'S FURTHER DOWN WHERE IT'S TAKEN THE UH, THE REAL SHARP UH, YEAH, LET ME QUITE AAND, BUT A REAL SHARP TURN. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT IS UP HERE WHERE IT'S GETTING MOVED TO LINE UP WITH WALLER THAT'S UP HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN IN THIS AREA. THIS IS MORE SUBTLE. YEAH. AND SO THE CURRENT OSRD NUMBER OF UNITS AND OPEN SPACE, NOTHING CHANGED. WE'RE STILL THERE. WELL THE OPEN SPACE PROBABLY CHANGES A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. BUT WE STILL HAVE, BUT WE ARE, SO WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS BELOW THE THE THEY STILL HAVE ACCESS OPEN SPACE. GREAT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE YEP. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A LITTLE CLEANUP OF THE ZONING BOUNDARIES. UM, BUT IT ALSO, WHEN WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE FINAL ROADWAY PLANS AND NOW PRELIMINARY. YEAH. AND IT SHIFTED JUST A BIT. SO IT SHIFTED THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT. WE NEEDED A LITTLE MORE RIGHT OF AWAY. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO STILL KEEP TWO ACRE LOTS AND GIVE THAT RIGHT OF AWAY. YEP. OKAY. UH, BUT STILL A FULL REZONING, UH, AS YOU KNOW. SO THERE'S THE SCHEDULE, YOUR FIRST READING, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH, PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING, SECOND READING IN [00:40:01] FEBRUARY. OBVIOUSLY IN YOUR EXPLANATION YOU'LL MAKE IT REAL CLEAR. CLEAR WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY, NOT ANY LOTS. YOU'RE NOT, YOU GET NERVOUS. YOU'RE NOT EVEN ADDING TO THE OVERALL AREA OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAN. YOU'RE JUST ADDING, YOU'RE JUST CHANGING A LITTLE BIT. WHAT ZONE, WHICH WAY AND THE, AND THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT IS, OH, THERE'S ULTIMATE BENEFIT TO THE CITY BY THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. OKAY. TAKE THIS OFF OF THOSE PROPERTIES THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. YEAH. IT KEEPS US OFF OF THE ONES THAT AREN'T IN THE CITY THERE. ALRIGHT. THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS THE FIRST READING OF THE REZONING, UH, RELATED TO THE DR. WEST PROPERTY AND THE BELL RE OSRD ISSUE, WHICH AGAIN YOU ALL KNOW, UH, FAIRLY WELL WITH THAT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY, UM, A LAND SWAP BETWEEN DR. WEST AND BEL RIE. HOA UH, BEL RIE GETS A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT DR. WEST GETS. UM, THERE'S A SUMMARY. UM, DR. WEST RECEIVES UM, 0.12, WAIT A MINUTE. GETTING 0.09. POINT ZERO ZERO NINE. YEAH. I'M SORRY. BELL RE TO MURRAY LANE TRUST 0.09. AND THEN MURRAY LANE TRUST, UH, FROM BELL REEF OR TO BELL REEF IS 0.12. UH, AND IT'S REALLY THIS UH, AREA UP IN HERE. SO WE DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SHADED ONE. DO WE TIED, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE WE HAVE THERE. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS COMING TO DR. WEST AND THEN THIS IS WHAT'S COMING TO THE HOA. SO WHAT'S COMING TO DR. WEST'S PROPERTY HAS TO BE REZONED FROM OS RD TO R TWO. AND WHAT'S GOING THE OTHER WAY FROM DR. WEST TO BE REEF HAS TO BE FROM R TWO TO OSRD. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES. UM, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE OTHER KIND OF CLEANUP THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? OXLAND HALL ONE, WHICH AGAIN, THAT, THAT PROPERTY'S TRANSFERS HAPPEN 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A ZONING ISSUE. RIGHT. UM, WE MET WITH THEM, I THINK I LET Y'ALL KNOW BEFORE CHRISTMAS THE BOARD WAS FAVORABLE. THEY HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE ANNUAL MEETING ON JANUARY 27TH. TODD'S GONNA GO TO THAT ASSUMING THERE'S NO, UM, OPPOSITION FROM THERE THEN WE, WE'VE ASKED THE HOA BOARD TO JUST SEND US A LETTER ASKING OR SUPPORTING OUR ASK TO REZONE THAT AREA TO OSRD AND THEN THAT POTENTIALLY COULD START IN FEBRUARY. OKAY. WE CAN'T, OBVIOUSLY THE TIMING FOR THEM IS NOT GONNA WORK TO PUT IT WITH THIS. YEAH. WE JUST, THEY WERE READY TO GO AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE WANTS TO GET IT CLEANED UP AS SOON AS HE CAN AND SO WE DIDN'T WANNA HOLD HIM UP JUST WAITING ON THAT WHEN THERE'S REALLY NOT A, ANY TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. YEP. DEVELOPMENT ISSUES OR WHATEVER FOR THAT ONE. AND WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT WORK SESSION? WE HAD TALKING ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THIS LAST YEAR, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE. I DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY. OCTOBER'S TIMEFRAME. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE. SO IF I WAS ASKED ABOUT IT, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SAME. IT'S A REZONING. SO SAME, SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER ONE. THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL POST SIGNS. TODD WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE , YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MAYBE ONE ON MURRAY LANE AND THEN ONE IN UM, PROBABLY ONE ON TURTLE CREEK DRIVE. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHERE THEY HAVE A, OR SOME OF THEIR HOA COMES OUT TO THE ROAD OR WHATEVER. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORK ON THE WORDING OF THIS LETTER THAT GOES TO THEM TO TRY TO MAKE IT SOUND AS IF IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG DEAL. YEAH. BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE PEOPLE COMING TO THAT MEETING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THEIR HOA WILL BE PUTTING OUT INFORMATION. NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. COULD WE GET THEM TO DO THAT IN THEIR HOA NEWSLETTERS OR WHATEVER? IT COULD EASE A LOT OF MINDS AND YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T GET SCARED. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING BIG. IT'S JUST, I MEAN, CLEANING UP SOMETHING ACTUALLY WE CAN ASK THEM. WE CAN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND WOULD DIVERT A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERN BY PEOPLE. 'CAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF PEOPLE REALLY INVOLVED AND AFFECTED, THERE'S CONSENSUS, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN YEAH, THE HOA IT WOULD JUST BE SORT OF A DISINTERESTED PERSON WHO DOESN'T LIKE CHANGE. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, WE GIVE CONCERN. CHANGING THE NOTICE GOES TO PEOPLE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT THAT SO, SO IT'D BE SOMEBODY WHO JUST ISN'T REALLY ENGAGED. IT'S PROBABLY UP FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT, OR IT'LL BE SOMEBODY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT DOWN FOREST PARK OR WHATEVER THOSE, THE SUBDIVISIONS OVER THERE TOWARDS MARY LANE, SOME OF THEM WILL GET A NOTICE OF A THOUSAND FEET. RIGHT. THEY WON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY IN THE CONVERSATION. NO. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS NOW KIND OF UNDERSTANDING IT ON THE SAME PAGE. YEAH. AS FAR AS THE, THE DIRECTLY AFFECTED PR PARTIES. [00:45:02] UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE ALL SPEAK THIS LANGUAGE, WHEN YOU TRY TO PUT IT IN A LETTER OR TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND STILL GETS UH, EASILY CONFUSED. SO THE SIMPLEST WAY IF WE GET A CALL IS IT'S BASICALLY A LAND SWAP AND A CLEANUP OF ZONING. YEAH. THERE'S NO NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE'S NO, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE USE OF THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, JUST CLEANING UP SOME PROPERTY BOUNDARY STUFF. SO, OKAY. THEN UNDER OTHER NEW BUSINESS, YOU JUST GOT A NOTICE OF APPOINTMENT TWO MEMBERS TO THE BZA THAT WILL HAPPEN AT YOUR MARCH 10TH MEETING AND THEN ONE MEMBER TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, WHICH IS A, UM, TO Y'ALL. THANK YOU. I ASKED HOLLY THIS. UM, WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE UP ALREADY, WHOSE TERMS? IT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS. YEAH. AND THIS CAME UP, VALERIE GOT A NEW JOB SO SHE CANNOT ATTEND MEETINGS SO SHE HAD TO STEP DOWN DOING ANYHOW. UM, HOLLY SAYS THAT WE CAN VOTE ON ALL FOUR AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. LEGALLY IT JANUARY 15, DEADLINE LATE, YOU KNOW, TO ANOTHER MEETING. YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVES NOTICE. SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY YOU GOT ENOUGH APPLICANTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE SO FAR? SEVERAL APPLICANTS. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR FOUR ALREADY. SO PROBABLY THREE INCUMBENTS AND ONE EXTRA. UM, I DON'T THINK ALL THE INCUMBENTS HAD APPLIED YET. I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL. OKAY. SEND EVERYBODY AN EMAIL. WE, YEAH. AND THE APP, I THINK IT'S THE 15TH. IT'S THE DEADLINE ANYWAY, SO NEXT WEEK. YEAH, WE'VE GOT A GOOD NUMBER OF APPLICANTS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE DO IN THESE CASES WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE REGULAR TERMS AND THEN AN UNEXPIRED IS YOU VOTE FOR THE REGULAR TERM ONES FIRST AND THEN YOU VOTE FOR THE UNEXPIRED ONE JUST TO UH, THAT'S THE WAY WE KIND OF DO THAT. SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. HOPEFULLY JASON'S COMING BACK BECAUSE HE'S OUR HITTING THE RESTAURANT. WE WERE DYING THAT THOUGHT A SOLUTION TO WIND PARK WITH ALL THAT SAND GUY WANTED TO SAND LOT VOLLEY BOMB . YEAH. IT'S NOT REALLY SAND. YEAH. YOU WISHES OUR COMMAND. SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THE AGENDA, REGULAR AGENDA STUFF. UM, SO WENDY HILL PARK AND JASON IS WITH THE CONTRACTOR. HE JUST HIT REST. BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW HERE OF WHAT WE, YOU RECALL WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND, AND I REMEMBER WHICH, UM, BRIEFING IT WAS. BUT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHERE WE WERE TOLD YOU ABOUT PROBLEMS WITH THE SOILS TOO MUCH TOP SOIL AND UNSUITABLE SOILS TO, UM, TO MEET THE COMPACTION REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THE STANDARDS FOR THE TRAILS AS PLANNED. THE, THE STANDARD AREAS IS, UH, THE SPEC FOR THE TRAILS IS JASON, YOU EXCAVATE EIGHT INCHES DOWN FOUR INCHES OF STONE, FOUR INCHES OF THE BASE ORIGINAL SPEC. RIGHT. THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK AND THE BID DOCUMENTS WAS TO EXCAVATE A TOTAL OF EIGHT INCHES, FOUR INCHES OF STONE, TWO INCHES OR I'M SORRY, PUT SIX INCHES OF STONE AND TWO INCHES, TWO INCHES MAS OFF. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN WAS ALONG. AND WE TOLD YOU THAT THEY WERE DIGGING DOWN AND, AND OBVIOUSLY COULD NOT GET TO GOOD SOILS THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UM, THAT EIGHT INCH EXCAVATION AND CONSTRUCTION METHOD. UM, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COMPACT IT AND YOU ROLL THE ROLLER OVER IT AND THEN IT JUST SAGS AND ALL THAT. SO WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, UM, KIND TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS OF, OF WHAT TO, UH, TO TRY TO DO TO GET THIS DONE. UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME SAVINGS THAT WE, WE WERE GONNA RECOMMEND, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND ELIMINATING A FEW SECTIONS OF TRAIL ONE. WE, WE TALKED ALSO ABOUT THIS WEST ENTRANCE OFF OF SHENANDOAH. I'VE GOT SOME OTHER PICTURES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT WE HAD THIS TRAIL SECTION HERE THAT AS YOU COME IN HERE, IT JUST KIND OF CUT ACROSS TO HERE. UM, NICE TO HAVE BUT FUNCTIONALLY NOT A BIG DEAL TO LOSE THAT. WE HAD A GAZEBO PLANNED UP HERE, KIND OF A HIGH POINT. UM, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING THERE LATER. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, GONNA BE RECOMMENDING ELIMINATING THESE TRAIL SECTIONS AND THAT SAVES ABOUT $123,000 OF NET. JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BOTTOM ONE. ARE YOU ALSO, YOU'RE ALSO ELIMINATING THE GAZEBO AND THE TRAIL TEAM? WELL THE GAZEBO HAS ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO RELOCATE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE PARK. OKAY. AND AND LENGTH. HOW MUCH ARE WE ELIMINATING? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I I, LENGTH OF WHAT? UM, SO BETWEEN TRAIL D IS 315 FEET. IS THAT THIS, IS THAT THE MM-HMM . D [00:50:01] IS 315 FEET. UM, I'M SORRY. YEAH. AND THEN K IS 105 C HOW MUCH? 105. 105 5. OKAY. AND THEN J IS 203. AND AGAIN THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY OF THE LOOPS AND ALL THAT. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OFFSHOOTS, BUT WE STILL GOT THAT NICE LOOP GOING AROUND. OH YEAH, YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE LOOPS AND ALL THAT SO WE CAN MOVE WITH THAT 315 FEET. CAN YOU, SINCE YOU SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE A, OR NOT HAVE TO, YOU'VE, WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED THE GAZEBO AND OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE HANDICAP ACCESS AND SIDEWALK TO IT. YOU PUT IT CLOSER TO THAT PARKING LOT DOWN HERE 'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IT SO THAT THERE'S KIND OF A YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVEN OKAY. TALKED ABOUT. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T EVEN PICKED OUT A LOCATION. WHETHER YOU WANNA PUT IT BY THE PARKING LOT OR STILL PUT IT SOMEWHERE OUT ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM SOMEWHERE. MAKE IT EASY SO THE POLICE CAN SEE, UH, I ANTICIPATE THIS WILL BE A TEENAGE BEER DRINK AND HANG OUT. YEAH, I MEAN WHETHER IT'S THE GAZEBO OR JUST ANYWHERE WITHIN THERE. , I MEAN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE PARKING LOTS BUT SEE 'EM BACK IN THERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO FOR THE TRAIL THAT GOES FROM UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHANNON, CAROLE. YES. BUT WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET SHENANDOAH FROM SHENANDOAH DOWN IN? IS IT GOING TO BE THE ACCESS COMPLETELY ELIMINATE NOW I'M GONNA GET TO THAT. OKAY. SORRY. THAT, YEAH, SO JUST, JUST AN OBSERVATION IN TERMS OF LIKE THE, THE, THE LOWER CIRCLES IN THE MIDDLE OF UH, THE SHENANDOAH THING. I KNOW IN COLLEGE CAMPUSES I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES WHERE YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TRAIL, THERE'S A PLACE PEOPLE GO, YOU JUST END UP WITH A PATH SO TO SPEAK. UM, SO IF WE GET RID OF THAT, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S INTENDED RIGHT THERE I THINK TO GET PEOPLE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER IF THEY'RE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, FROM SHENANDOAH. SO I GUESS DO WE ANTICIPATE LIKE IF THAT BECOMES A PATH, DO WE JUST PUT SOME SURFACE DOWN ON IT OR WE JUST LET IT BE A PATH OR I MEAN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU COULD YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH GRAVEL OR DO SOMETHING OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW IT. I THINK THE INTENTION OF THE DESIGNERS WAS, IS THIS WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PLAZA AREA AND WHERE THAT UM, THE OLD HANGAR BUILDING WOULD BE. YEAH. BUT I MEAN THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY EXISTS JUST TO COME UP AND DO THIS. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, I THINK WE'D BE A LITTLE MORE WORRIED THAT THAT BECOMES A CUT THROUGH. BUT I MEAN YOU STILL HAVE THAT. YEAH. AND CUTTING THROWN GRASS ISN'T HATEFUL AND THAT MAY CUT IT AROUND AND IF IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IT MAY NOT BEAT IT DOWN, BUT YEAH. AND I KNOW ON ON VANDERBILT'S CAMPUS SPECIFICALLY IN THE EIGHTIES THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEY PUT SIDEWALKS WHERE ALL THE PATHS WORK 'CAUSE THEY LET THE STUDENTS KIND OF DESIGN THE PATH SYSTEM. YEAH. , YOU KNOW, BY WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WALKED. SO MAYBE LATER ON WE SEE THE WHERE SPOTS ARE AND THAT'S WHERE WE EVENTUALLY PUT THE PATH WE CAN. SO YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO ANY OF THIS. NOW HOW YOU BUILD IT IS WILL STILL BE THE ISSUE. SO, UM, BUT BACK TO UH, COMMISSIONER SPEAR'S QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THAT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY CONNECTION. UH, THIS IS JUST A GOOGLE STREET MAPS. THIS IS ONE WE SHOWED WHERE WE KIND OF HAD STAKED OUT AND, AND REMEMBER THE CONCERN WAS THE HAVING TO CUT DOWN SOME VERY BIG MATURE TREES AND ALL THAT. SO WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, AND I THINK THE PLAN IS, IS WE WOULD STILL DO THE WORK WITHIN THE CONTRACT TO PUT UH, A CULVERT IN HERE AND, AND BUILD A A IS IT, WOULD IT BE ASPHALT CON? WHAT WOULD BE OVER THE CUL THE CULVERT JUST TO GET OFF THE ACROSS. I THINK NOW WHAT WE SHOW BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PLANTS, IT WOULD BE ASPHALT. ASPHALT. SO YOU'D HAVE BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT OF A DRIVEWAY APPROACH TO GET ACROSS THE CREEK. AND THEN FROM THERE WE WOULD JUST DO SOME NATURAL MULCH OR SOME OTHER SERVICE SO THAT IT'S IDENTIFIED AS AN ACCESS POINT. JUST NOT A PAVED THING IS WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE. AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND, AND DO AT A LATER TIME IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH A STROLLER MAY HAVE TO GO UP AND AROUND TO THE FRONT TO, TO THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE OR, IT JUST DEPENDS. BUT NOT HARD SURFACING IT IS, IS WHAT THE PLAN IS. THERE'S NO HANDICAP ACCESS REQUIREMENT TO NOT WHEN YOU'VE GOT IT UP AT THE OTHER PARKING LOTS. I'M JUST, WE GO AHEAD. AREAS FROM A GEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT, I PRESUME THIS WHOLE AREA IS SANDY AND IN SOME AREAS IT DOESN'T MATTER. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT DOWN CONCRETE WONDER HOW THAT DEPTH OF SAND OCCURRED THERE. I MEAN YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT A LOT. OTHER PLANTS. IT'S NOT SAND, IT'S NOT SAND. IT'S JUST NORMAL TOP SOIL. IT'S JUST IT IS FARMLAND. YEAH, IT'S FARMLAND. IT'S, IT'S THE, THE CREEK THROUGH THERE AND FLOODING AND JUST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OUR OTHER PARKS WHERE WE PUT DOWN TRAILS AND THINGS, YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT HAVING TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT AT LEAST. YEAH. THE ONE I REMEMBER THAT WE, WE DID DO THIS OR HAD HAD AN ISSUE WITH WAS OWL CREEK. 'CAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT ALONG OH YEAH. WHERE THE FLOODING AREA AND ALL [00:55:01] THAT. YEAH. OTHER AREAS. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE ISSUE. IT'S JUST UNUSUAL. SO, AND DID Y'ALL, Y'ALL DID A, THE SAMPLES KIND OF ON THIS PATH TOO AND HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. I ASSUME WE DIDN'T, THE ISSUE HERE WAS SIMPLY THE REQUIREMENT. IF YOU BUILT SOMETHING TO TEAR OUT THE TREES AND NOT WANTED TO DO THAT, IT WASN'T SO MUCH WHETHER WE EVEN HAD THAT. I DON'T, WE DIDN'T CHECK THE SOILS HERE, DID WE? YOU MAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE YEAH, WE NEAR THE BACK OR WHERE THE EASEMENT CONNECTS TO THE UH, BACK IN HERE. YEAH. TO THE SITE. WE DID DIG THE TEST PIT BACK THERE 40 INCHES DEEP AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE FOUND EVERYWHERE ELSE IS THERE. UM, SINCE WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN UM, WILDWOOD WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THE ARBORETUM, WITH CARS KIND OF PULLING OVER IN PEOPLE'S YARDS, THEY DRIVE TO THERE AND TO SO THAT THEY CAN WALK IT THERE. IS THERE, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT. I'M NOT SAYING TO PUT ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE BASICALLY PARK PARKING IF THEY DO THAT ON SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. WELL, I MEAN THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. YEAH. UM, I GUESS OUR THINKING IS IS, I MEAN THE REASON YOU HAVE IT THERE IS 'CAUSE THE ONLY OTHER WAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING WELL IS 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA GO ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. WHEREAS FROM HERE, PARK THERE, JUST GO UP THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. WOULD, SO I DON'T, WOULD HOPEFULLY NOT AS BIG A PROBLEM. YEP. OKAY. UM, AND WITH IT NOT BEING A FULLY IMPROVED PAVED MM-HMM . ENTRANCE, MAYBE NOT AS INVITING FOR THAT. AND IF WE SEE THERE'S AN ISSUE, MAYBE WE COULD ADDRESS IT WITH EFFECT OR, SO, I MEAN, PUT SIGNS. UH, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH SIGNS IS YOU SAY NO PARKING FOR TRAIL USERS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S PARKING THERE AND WHERE THEY'RE AT. ARE THEY IN SOMEBODY'S HOUSE OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY JUST PARKED OUTSIDE OF WHERE THE SIGNS ARE? YEAH, YEAH. FURTHER DOWN THEY JUST, YOU JUST PUSH IT DOWN IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE. SO ANYWAY, SO AS FAR AS THIS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT KIND A LITTLE BIT ROUGH AND WE, WE MENTIONED STROLLERS. TODAY'S STROLLERS CAN LIKE OFF ROAD VEHICLES. YEAH, THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT THE LITTLE BITTY WHEELS ANYMORE. THEY WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. NO. AND MOST OF 'EM I DON'T. AND THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING, BUT YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL I THINK PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE PARK ARE PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, AND AGAIN, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO JUST GO UP AND DO THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, SO AGAIN, SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR SAVINGS. NOTICE IS NOT GOING TO BE A CHEAP PROPOSITION. SO HERE'S THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE COME TO US FROM THE CONTRACTOR AFTER A LOT OF CONSULTATION. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, JASON IS WITH ORION SO HE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO JUST BUILD CONCRETE TRAILS INSTEAD OF PAVE TRAILS. 'CAUSE THERE YOU JUST FORM IT UP AND PUT YOUR STONE AND YOUR REBAR WIRE AND, AND DO IT. AND THAT'S, UM, AND THAT WOULD COME WITH THE FULL WARRANTY, UH, WHICH IS UNDER THE CONTRACT A YEAR. WE JUST TALKED EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT THEM. THIS IS THEIR PREFERENCE. UM, 'CAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN DELIVER IT. UM, AND HE WOULD, WOULD ADD A SECOND YEAR WARRANTY ONTO THAT. UM, SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT GETS YOU KIND OF CERTAINTY OF A PLAN AND, AND KNOW THAT WE CAN BUILD IT WITH, YOU KNOW, EASILY DONE CONCERNS FROM OUR SIDE. WE LIKE THAT CERTAINTY. AND LIKE THAT IT IS, IT'S A BIG NUMBER. CONCERNS FROM A USER SIDE IS RUNNERS DON'T LIKE RUNNING ON SIDEWALKS. UM, AND YOU END UP WITH HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF JOINTS THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE TRAIL NETWORK THAT IF THEY SETTLE AND ALL THAT BECOME TRIP HAZARDS, THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE ISSUE TO SHAVE AND ALL THAT SHAVE OR YEAH. REPLACE. NOW AGAIN, IF BIG DISPLACEMENT, YOU CUT OUT A COUPLE SECTIONS AND REPLACE IT. SO, UM, SO THE, I'D IMAGINE THE RUNNING COMMUNITY AND OTHER FOLKS HAVE THOUGHTS ON CONCRETE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT HARDER. YEAH. DON'T, THEY DON'T CARE. NOW AGAIN, THE PLAN CALLS FOR A, A, A CRUSHER RUN, UH, GRAVEL, TWO FOOT WATER GRAVEL AREA ON THE SIDE OF THE TRAIL AROUND IT. RIGHT. SO, SO FOR THE RUNNER, SO WHAT WE THOUGHT IF WE WENT WITH THIS ROUTE IS WE WOULD MAKE THAT THREE FOOT WIDE, MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE USABLE FOR RUNNERS. AND THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE, THE OFFSET OFFSET TO THE RUNNERS. OKAY. UM, ITEM TWO IS ESSENTIALLY GETTING ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND ESSENTIALLY BUILDING THE EFFECTIVELY A ROAD AS A TRAIL 32 INCHES AND, AND EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S 1,000,005. THREE IS, UH, CUTTING DOWN 18 INCHES INSTEAD OF EIGHT COMING BACK UP WITH A STONE AND PAVING IT. BUT THEY WOULD NOT WARRANTY THAT. UM, AND THEN FOUR IS, IS 14 INCHES, UM, INSTEAD OF EIGHT AND COMING BACK UP THE STONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND, AND WE TALKED BEFORE, THERE WILL BE, WE THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET SOME SAVINGS OR I DON'T SAVINGS OR OFFSETTING REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF TOP SOIL. SOME OF THAT TOP SOIL WE'VE, WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR MATERIALS, UH, TESTING FOLKS IS, IS MIXED WITH SOME OTHER NOT SO SUITABLE SOILS. SO WE DON'T, WE CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE THINK THERE IS, BUT THERE MAY BE, IT MAY BE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF SOME ADDITIONAL [01:00:01] REVENUE FROM, SO OIL. SO WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM. WE DON'T THINK TWO OR FOUR ARE VIABLE, UH, COURSES OF ACTION. THREE, TWO JUST BEING TOO EXPENSIVE. AND FOUR, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF A COST SAVINGS BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ASPHALT, JUST AT LEAST GET THE EXTRA FOUR INCHES OF, OF STONE. SO WE, WE WERE, WE AS CITY STAFF WERE LEANING TOWARDS THREE. UM, CONTRACTOR IS TRYING TO ENTICE US INTO ONE. UM, BUT THAT COST OF ONE, IF YOU SAID YOU ADDED, YOU WOULD ADD INSTEAD OF TWO FEET, THREE FEET OF THAT CRUSHED GRAVEL. YEAH, WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THAT. THAT IS KIND OF THE NET THEN ADD SOME COST. YEAH, HE, IN THE CONVERSATIONS EARLIER THIS WEEK, THAT 8 61 FOR THE CONCRETE CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THEN WE SAID, WELL WHAT IF WE ADD THE EXTRA FOOT? AND HE SAID, WELL PROBABLY JUST GONNA GO BACK UP TO WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. AND THESE ARE ALL NET OF THE SAVINGS ALREADY. OKAY. THE 123,000 THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED OF TAKING THE TRAILS OUT. HMM. YEAH. THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. YEAH. SO THE, THE CONCERN OF THREE IS, AND AND I'LL LET JASON KIND OF TALK A LITTLE MORE FROM THE CONTRACTOR SIDE, IS, UH, FROM OUR SIDE WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS, OKAY, WE, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN. WE GET IT PAVED AND FLAT AND THEN WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTA LIVE WITH IT. IF IT SETTLES AND DIPS AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THE FUTURE, HIS CONCERN IS EVEN BEING ABLE TO BUILD IT TO GET TO DELIVERING US FLAT TRAILS. 'CAUSE IF AS THEY'RE ROLLING IT AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PACK THE STONE AND THEN YOU ROLL THE ASPHALT, WELL IF THE GROUND IS MOVING AS YOU ROLL IT, THEN THAT ALL THAT ASPHALT'S GOTTA BE TORN BACK OUT. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE ABILITY TO DELIVER COMPLETED TRAILS FOR THAT. AM I AND JASON PLEASE COME FORWARD AND, AND SURE. AND, AND ANSWER THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, 6 36 IS ASSUMING THAT WHEN WE PUT THE WEIGHT OF ASPHALT TRUCKS, UH, WHICH ARE TANDEM AXLE DUMP TRUCKS LOADED AND AN ASPHALT MACHINE, IF THE SUBGRADE IS ROLLING OR WAVING AS WE TEST IT AND WE PUT EQUAL OR MORE WEIGHT ON THAT SURFACE AS WE'RE PUTTING DOWN THE ASPHALT, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT A HUGE HOPPER ON AN ASPHALT MACHINE THAT'S 10 FOOT WIDE AND WHEN YOU FIRST LOAD IT, IT'S GONNA BE THE HEAVIEST POINT. SO OUR ASSUMPTION OR THEORY IS THAT IT WILL BE DOWN HERE BECAUSE IT'S GOT MORE WEIGHT AND THEN AS IT LIGHTENS, IT'S GONNA COME UP. AND THEN AS YOU PUT MORE ASPHALT, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN. AND THE SAME WOULD GO FOR THE TRUCKS. SO THE POTENTIAL IS WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ASPHALT, LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY A THOUSAND FEET OF TRAIL. UM, AND IT COULD VARY ON THE SITE JUST BASED ON HOW POOR THE SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS ARE. UM, IF WE'RE DOING THAT AND WE START HAVING ROLLING OR, UH, FAILURES IN THE ASPHALT THAT AREN'T ACCEPTABLE TO ANYONE WITH THE CITY, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK IN HERE SAYING, HEY GUYS, NOW WE'VE GOT TO NOT ONLY GET PAID FOR WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, BUT WE'RE GONNA WANT MORE MONEY FOR TEARING OUT AND THEN MORE MONEY FOR PUTTING SOMETHING BACK THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO I HAVE NO WAY OF SITTING HERE TODAY AND SAYING THAT'S GONNA BE ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TRAILS, A THIRD OF THE TRAILS, AN EIGHTH OF THE TRAILS, TWO THIRDS. BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE STATEMENT THAT I WILL BE BACK SAYING, WE'RE GONNA, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE MONEY FOR X, Y, Z. AND I CAN'T PUT A PRICE TAG ON THAT. SO FROM A CONTRACTOR STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO WALK AWAY AND BE ABLE TO WARRANTY A PRODUCT WE PUT DOWN. SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A TWO YEAR WARRANTY ON OPTION ONE, UM, WITH FULL CONFIDENCE. AND I ALSO OFFER DAVE, IF WE FINISH EARLY, SOME OF OUR SAVINGS FROM FINISHING EARLY, UM, OPTION THREE WE CAN SAY IT'S IN A PERFECT WORLD, $636,000. IF THINGS ARE WONDERFUL, UM, THEN MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S THAT OR A LITTLE BIT LESS, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN OUT THERE, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT. OR IF WE HAVE FAILURE MORE. CAN I BACK UP? I HAVE A QUESTION. 4,000 PLEASE. YES. SO, UM, THE 104,000 IS ONE MONTH OF GENERAL EXTENDED GENERAL CONDITIONS, WHICH [01:05:02] IS EQUIPMENT RENTAL FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE OUT THERE WORKING. UM, IT'S FOR ORION STAFF, UM, OUR SITE SUPERINTENDENTS, OUR TRAILERS, OUR , ALL OF THAT STUFF. IT COMES IN GENERAL CONDITIONS. UM, BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY OF CUTTING 18 INCHES. BASICALLY IF IT RAINS, WE'RE GONNA DO TWO DAYS FOR DRY OUT. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE DAY OF RAIN, YOU LOSE THREE DAYS. UM, IN A BEST CASE SCENARIO, I ANTICIPATE IF WE WERE TO START DOING THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, BEST CASE SCENARIO, I'M SAYING IT'S GOING TO EXTEND THE JOB A MONTH PAST WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE JOB. SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 6 36? NO, THAT THAT'S IN THE SIX 30. NO, THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. NO, YOUR, YOUR SPREADSHEET HAD IT IN IT. OH, I DID. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I, I'M SORRY. I HAVE A QUESTION AND I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING NUMBER ONE. SO I MAY BE REPEATING SOMETHING. YOU'VE ALREADY CLEARED UP THAT 861,000 THAT'S FOR, UH, LAYING OF THE CONCRETE AND ALL OF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CUT. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD CUT WHAT'S IN THE ORIGINAL SPECIFICATION, WHICH IS EIGHT INCHES, PARDON ME. THE ORIGINAL SPECIFICATION OF THE JOB SHOWED US CUTTING EIGHT INCHES AND PUTTING SIX INCHES OF GRAVEL, TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS PUT CUT EIGHT INCHES, PUT FOUR INCHES OF STONE, WIRE MESH, AND FOUR INCHES OF CONCRETE. OKAY. AND THAT HAS A FULL WARRANTY. TWO YEARS. TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF ONE. OKAY. WELL I, I KNOW THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WITH THIS THING, BUT LIKE WE DO OPTION THREE AND I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOILS, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT IF IT SHIFTS AFTER THAT BELOW, YOU KNOW, YOUR WARRANTY ON THE TOP, HOW DO WE KNOW IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS THAT YOU WILL PAY THAT WARRANT? YOU'LL DO IT EVEN IF IT'S THE GROUND BELOW THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM. BUT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AFTERWARDS, THAT'S ALL ON US. YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THE SAME FOR OPTION 3, 3, 4, 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. OH YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF NO QUESTION SOMETHING FAILS UNDER IT, IT'S YOURS TOO. AND YOU WERE OUTTA THE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD, BUT THE FAILURE, I THINK ON THE NUMBER ONE THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE JOINTS AND IT CAN SHIFT AND YEAH, I THINK I HEARD HIM WITH THAT PART WHEN HE WAS SITTING OUT THE ROW. YEAH. AND CLARIFY A QUESTION FROM MONDAY WHEN WE SPOKE, UM, WE CAN GO EVERY 20 FEET WITH THE, UM, THE SECTIONS, THE EXPANSION JOINTS, THE CONSTRUCTION OR CONTROL JOINTS WILL BE, I THINK THEY'RE EVERY 75 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IN YOUR ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THIS WORKING OUT? WELL YOU THINK, I MEAN REALLY OPTION ONE, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? I I OF IT, OF IT BEING STABLE AFTER TWO YEARS? UH, OPTION ONE I'M YOU'RE CONFIDENT 90% CONFIDENT BECAUSE THE HEAVIEST LOAD THAT WILL BE ON THAT WILL BE VERY MINIMUM. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB THE TRAILS THAT MUCH. UM, THE HEAVIEST LOAD DOCK WOULD BE WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLING IT. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. SO AFTER THAT IT SHOULD BE FOOT TRAFFIC OR IF A MAINTENANCE GUY DECIDES TO PICKUP, PICKUP TRUCK THERE SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. UM, OPTION THREE, IF YOU GO WITH ASPHALT AND 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REPLACE A SECTION OF ASPHALT AND GO RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME RISK YOU HAVE. SO OPTION ONE, I HAVE ABOUT 90% CONFIDENCE IN, IN THERE ARE THINGS IN THE WORLD THAT ARE ALWAYS GONNA HAPPEN THAT NO ONE CAN PREDICT. UM, OPTION THREE, I, I DON'T KNOW DAVE. DAVE, DOES PARKS HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? UM, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THE BEST OVERALL LONG TERM WE'LL HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH IT, I'M SURE. UM, IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS COVERED, BUT OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR, THEY UH, THEY'VE ALREADY CUT OUT A SECTION OF THAT AND HAD HAD A LITTLE TEST SECTION AND BOTH THREE AND FOUR FAILED PUMP TESTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY THOUGHT MAYBE OVER TIME THAT THEY COULD GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD NOT FAIL. BUT WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT. SO IN TERMS OF THE, THE DIFFERENCE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, AM I RIGHT IN THINKING IN OUR OTHER PARKS WHERE WE HAVE ASPHALT [01:10:01] TRAILS, THEY GENERALLY HAVE A, AM I THINKING ABOUT A 20 YEAR EXPECTED LIFE BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND RESURFACE THEM OR DO SOMETHING? YEAH. GENERALLY WE START LOOKING ABOUT 15, BUT IT'S ABOUT ABOUT 1520. YEAH. AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT CONCRETE SIDEWALKS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS AND A LOT OF CITIES USE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS. DO THEY GENERALLY HAVE A LONGER EXPECTED LIFE? I I KNOW THERE'S MAINTENANCE FROM THE, THE, THE SHAVING AND STUFF TO SOME EXTENT. UH, UH, TODD'S THE ONE THAT WOULD AND YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE JUST GETTING TO THAT TIME PERIOD OF 15 TO 20 YEARS WHEN WE WERE, WELL I GUESS WE'RE BEYOND THAT FOR SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WHEN WE, WE STARTED REQUIRING SIDEWALKS. SO CONCRETE SOME 30 PROBABLY DOESN'T FACE THE SAME EFFECTS FROM UV SUNLIGHT AND DRYING OUT LIKE ASPHALT DOES. IT COMES, BECOMES MORE BRITTLE OVER TIME. RIGHT. UH, BUT CONCRETE'S DESIGNED TO CRACK, I MEAN RIGHT. THEY SAY THE BEST WAY TO KEEP IT FROM CRACKING IS TO LEAVE IT ON THE TRUCK. RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH SIDEWALKS. I'D BE LYING IF I SAID WE DON'T HAVE SHIFTING OR CRACKING OR THINGS THAT HAPPEN. ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET ON THERE WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT. I DON'T THINK A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE IS GONNA BE THAT WAY, BUT AT WHICH TIME SOMETHING SHIFTS, YOU'VE GOTTA GET SOME LOAD OF CONCRETE IN THERE. HOW YOU GO ABOUT THAT SHUTTLE BUGGY, WHATEVER IS POSSIBLE TO MINIMIZE THAT. BUT I MEAN MY DRIVEWAY IS 25 YEARS OLD. YEP. AND IS FINE. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK MY PARENTS REPLACED THEIR DRIVEWAY AFTER 35 YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAD TO, I THINK THEY JUST CHOSE TO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS PROBABLY MUCH LONGER FOR CONCRETE, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE MAINTENANCE. YEAH. SO, SO IF WE SPEND THE UH, YOU KNOW, THE SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST A DEAD LOSS 'CAUSE WE WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY, BUT ALSO THERE'S SOME OFFSET IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM EXPECTED MAINTENANCE. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO SHAVE IT OR DO THINGS IF IT SETTLES. BUT IT IS AN UPGRADED PRODUCT GENERALLY SPEAKING. AND THEN ACCOMMODATING THE RUNNERS A LITTLE BIT WIDER AREA SO THEY'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, DESTROYING THEIR KNEES AND THEIR HIPS. I KNOW THEY'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TEE SOMETHING UP FOR A RABBIT HOLE DISCUSSION. BUT CONCRETE FEELS HOTTER TO THE PERSON USING IT BECAUSE IT REFLECTS ASPHALT GETS VERY HOT. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE POOL OR SOMETHING AND YOU WALK ON CONSTANT AIR AIRPORT, A LOT OF TIMES YOU ARE RUNNING BECAUSE IT GETS VERY HOT. SO THAT WIDER SURFACE WILL REFLECT SOME OF THAT HEAT BACK. IT'LL FEEL HOTTER TO THE PEOPLE USING IT THAN THE ASPHALT WOULD. OKAY. SO DURABILITY. IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE SUPERIOR COMFORT WISE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING. MAINTEN ON WHAT DAVE SAID THOUGH. IT SOUNDS LIKE NUMBER THREE IS REALLY NOT A GOOD OPTION. YEAH. IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE EITHER WE GO WITH NUMBER ONE OR WE SCRATCH THE WHOLE THING. TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE SOLVED OUR PROBLEM. OH. I MEAN THE MAYOR HAS BEEN PROCESS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE CONCRETE. UM, ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN SOME KIND OF A CHAIR, UH, TO HAVE, UH, THE WIRE SIT UP IN THE CONCRETE? YES. UH, AND THEN IN EXPANSION JOINTS AND THEN THE DESIGN CRACK JOINTS IS, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT SOME TYPE OF, A PIECE OF REBAR THERE, UH, TO KEEP UH, SOME OF THAT BUCKLING FROM OCCURRING? IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, WE COULD PUT THREE PIECES OF REBAR ACROSS THAT 10 FOOT SECTION. MM-HMM . BETWEEN THE JOINT OR AT THE JOINT. BUT IT'S ALREADY SPECED WITH CHAIRS. SO THE WIRE, UM, SITS UP A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED THAT IT WASN'T SPECIFIED. THAT WAS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THAT'LL, THAT WILL HELP. UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE, THE BUCKLING AND THEN HAVING THE UH, THE SEPARATION AND, AND THE WIRE WILL BE CONTINUOUS. YEAH. YEAH. I GET THAT. UM, BUT I MEAN THE WIRES GONNA BE HOW WHATEVER GAUGE WIRE IS, UH, AND IF YOU GET SOME PRESSURE ON IT, IT'S JUST GONNA SEPARATE THE BREAK. CERTAINLY CAN. YEAH. BUT A PIECE OF REBAR, UH, YOU IS GONNA HAVE, UM, HIGHER STRENGTH AT THE CONTROL JOINTS. YEP. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING C WOULD THINK IS A SMART IDEA AND WE WOULD AGREE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO THROW THAT IN, THROW IT IN OR ADD THAT IN. YEAH. BIG DIFFERENCE. I'LL THROW IT IN. OKAY. I MEAN IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, UM, NUMBER THREE IS A HUGE UH, GAMBLE, RIGHT? WE GET IN THERE. THAT'S AS MUCH HANG ON AS MUCH AS ASPHALT WOULD BE MORE AGREEABLE FOR, UH, THE RUNNERS 'CAUSE THEY LIKE IT BETTER. UM, IT, IT HAS THE FEEL OF SOFT VERY MUCH IMPACT ON THE JOINTS. UM, THE, THE CONCRETE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK IN THERE. UH, AND HAVING TO GEORGE A BUGGY IN UM, ASPHALT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT A GOOD SOLUTION AT ALL. THIS THE CONCRETE WILL LAST 40 YEARS IF WE DO IT RIGHT. WHAT'S THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, THE RUNNING SECTION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE GRAVEL? IT'S JUST GRAVEL, Y'ALL. WE WON'T JUST HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT, BUT PROBABLY SUPPLEMENT FROM TIME TO TIMER. OKAY. PUT SOME MORE MATERIAL IN JUST SO IT'S JUST LOOSE GRAVEL THAT CAME THERE. OH, IT'S, IT'LL BE KIND OF [01:15:01] PRESSURE RUN TYPE. OKAY. ROLL OVER SOME BECAUSE I MEAN WE GOT SOME WATER AND STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE, BUT DRAINAGE THAT COULD WASH SOME STUFF AWAY. SURE. NO. WE'LL WE WILL MONITOR ON THAT SHOULDER. WE HAD TALKED MONDAY AND WHAT I TOLD MY CONTRACTOR SUBCONTRACTORS THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PUT IN A, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S TWO FOOT, IT WOULD BE COME FOUR FOOT. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING THREE, BUT WHATEVER. OKAY, TAKE FOUR. I ASKED, I I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT IN NOT EDIT. I'M CLARIFYING WHAT, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED. WE DISCUSSED THREE, SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THEY WERE ALL OKAY WITH THAT. SO THAT'S UP TO YOU. UM, ON THE REFLECTIVITY. IF, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN INVESTIGATE, UM, WHAT AN ADDED COST WOULD BE FOR ADDING 10, UM, TO MAYBE CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THAT. UM, THAT'S JUST UP TO YOU GUYS. YOU WANNA INVESTIGATE IT. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF CENTS OR WHEN I SAY A COUPLE 20, 25 CENTS PER PER LINEAR FOOT, WE'LL ADD UP. THAT'S QUITE A BIT BUT I'LL FIND OUT. YEAH. IF YOU INVESTIGATE IT, LET YOU KNOW. YEAH. THE BOTTOM LINE FOR US, WE WERE ORIGINALLY WANTING TO GO TO THREE MM-HMM UM, JUST THINKING WELL AS LONG AS THEY CAN DELIVER US FINISH TRAILS FOR 200 SOME THOUSAND, WE'LL ACCEPT THE FUTURE SHIFTING. BUT WHEN WE GOT TO TALKING AND REALIZING WE'RE NOT EVEN GUARANTEE YOU THEY CAN EVEN DELIVER US FINISHED TRAILS. THAT REALLY KIND OF PUSHED US TO NUMBER ONE AS A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK WE OUGHT GO WITH NUMBER ONE. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS THEN IS, BECAUSE AGAIN THEY'VE KIND OF, THEY'VE DONE ALL THAT THEY CAN DO OUT THERE, I THINK PENDING WORK ON THE TRAILS THEY'VE GOT. I MEAN THE PARKING LOT WORK IS DONE, UTILITIES ARE IN RIGHT? YES SIR. YEAH. SO THEY'RE KIND OF ON HOLD. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO BASED UPON THIS CONVERSATION IS AUTHORIZE THEM TO KIND OF, 'CAUSE THEY CAN START CUTTING THE EIGHT INCHES IN THAT RIGHT AWAY. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BACK TO YOU FORMALLY AT YOUR JANUARY 27TH MEETING, THE OFFICIAL CHANGE ORDER FOR APPROVAL. BUT WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM KIND OF A VERBAL APPROVAL TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. I THINK SO. SOUNDS GOOD OR NOT, BUT WELL I KNOW. YES, IT IS WHAT IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU JASON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND WITH THAT CHANGE ORDER, UM, YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST WORK THAT WAS DONE WITH THE PARKING LOTS? WE HAD A $200,000 CHANGE ORDER THAT WAS LIKE 180. SO WE'VE KIND OF WE'RE PROBABLY ADD IN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT PARKING LOT WORK TO THE OVERALL CHANGE ORDER TO RESTORE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CONTINGENCY JUST IF NEEDED FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT. YEAH, PROBABLY NOT ALL 185 OF IT, BUT WE MIGHT WANNA LEAVE AT LEAST A A HUNDRED THOUSAND CONTINGENCY THAT'S IN THE PROJECT. SO IF THE, IF IF WE END UP AT 8 61, THE CHANGE ORDER MAY BE NINE 50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA, THE PARKING LOT AND ALL IS GONNA BE ASPHALT. IT'S JUST THE TRAILERS THAT ARE GONNA GO TO CONCRETE. RIGHT. AND THERE'S ALREADY SOME SECTIONS OF THE TRAILS, LIKE THIS LITTLE PLAZA AREA THAT I THINK WERE CONCRETE ALREADY. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. CAN YOU SEND US A SLOT? WHICH, WHICH ONE? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THAT ONE? YEAH. HAPPY TO. AND THE ONE AFTER JUST TAP, WE'LL SEND YOU ALL OF 'EM AND YOU CAN TAKE WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT. OKAY. . UM, OKAY, UH, COUPLE SMALL ONES AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE BOND REFERENDUM THING AND THEN WE'LL END. UM, YOU RECALL, UH, WE TALKED LAST FALL WE WERE GETTING SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL SCALES, EDMONDSON. AND WHAT WE WERE DOING ON THAT, REMEMBER THE ISSUE AT SCALES WAS WE'VE GOT THIS BIG DRAINAGE AREA, THERE'S JUST NO EASY WAY TO DO IT. SO PEOPLE WERE WALKING ALONG THE SHOULDER AND THEY WANTED US TO PUT UP DELINEATORS AND ALL THAT AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE SAID THAT'S NOT RECOMMENDED IN ANY WAY. SO ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT CAME TO US THAT WE THOUGHT WAS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION WAS TO MAYBE EXTEND THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED ZONE FARTHER TO THE NORTH AND WEST WITH THE HOPE THAT THOSE WHO WERE WALKING ALONG THE SHOULDER, THE VEHICLES WOULD BE GOING SLOWER AND A LITTLE BIT ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY TO IT. SO TODAY THE FLASHER IS RIGHT HERE. THE SCHOOL ZONE BEGINNING IS HERE. UH, THE WALKERS ARE KIND OF COMING FROM DAHLIA. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MANY COMING IN JOHNSON CHAPEL, BUT THEY'RE WALKING ALONG HERE. SO TO DO THAT WHAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK, UH, TODD LOOKED AT IT, GREG, JUDY LOOKED AT IT, WE WOULD KIND OF EXTEND THE SCHOOL ZONE BACK TO HERE. UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE 15 MILES AN HOUR ALL THE WAY TO HERE. UH, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE WOODEN OVERHEAD POLES HERE AND, AND HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, INSTEAD OF RELOCATING AND SETTING NEW POLES AND ALL THAT, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS JUST PLACING THE SOLAR POWERED GROUND MOUNTED, UM, FLASHERS. UM, SO YOU'D HAVE ONE HERE FOR TRAFFIC COMING THIS WAY. ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WAS IS YOU'D HAVE THESE PEOPLE COMING OFF OF JOHNSON CHAPEL AND THEY'D BE TURNING INTO THE MIDDLE OF A SCHOOL ZONE AND DO THEY KNOW THEY'RE IN IT? WE WOULD PUT SOME JUST STATIC SIGNAGE HERE, [01:20:01] RIGHT, TODD? CORRECT. BUT WE WOULD PUT A SECOND FLASHER HERE. SO AS THEY TURNED OFF OF THAT, THEY COULD SEE THAT NO, THEY'RE IN THE SCHOOL ZONE. UM, AND THEN TODD WOULD UH, IS RECOMMENDING GOING AHEAD AND SINCE THESE POLES MAYBE AREN'T THE GREATEST, IS REMOVING THEM AND JUST PUTTING A A THIRD NEW FLASHER THERE? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE PUTTING A SECOND FLASHER THERE. IT'S ALREADY THERE ISN'T IT AT THE, WELL THESE ARE TWO WOODEN POLES. LOCATION IS THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE CONVERTED FROM THE OVERHEAD ON WOODEN POLES TO A SIDE SIDE STEP. WHAT DID WE WE PUT IN WHEN WE EXTENDED IT IN FRONT OF BMS PAST GRANEY WHITE. WE JUST PUT IN THE SOLAR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT UM, I'M SORRY NELSON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, WE CAN FINISH THE DISCUSSION. OKAY. SO NORMALLY SCHOOL ZONE CHANGES AND ALL THAT, WE DON'T REALLY INVOLVE YOU ALL. IF WE THINK IT'S A REASONABLE THING TO DO, WE TRY TO DO IT WITH SIGNAGE, THREE NEW SIGNALS AND REMOVING, I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $25,000 AND SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. WE JUST KIND OF WANTED Y'ALL TO KNOW AND, AND MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANY OBJECTION BASED ON THAT COST BEFORE WE WENT AHEAD AND WELL, IT'S ONLY DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE THAT INCONVENIENCE. I DON'T THINK FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT GOOD DEAL. I MEAN I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY IT'S JUST MOVING SOME STATIC SIGNS AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE DO. THIS IS A LITTLE MORE OF AN INVESTMENT, UH, BASED UPON TO A KID. FULL DISCLOSURE, THREE OF THE FOUR WOODEN POLES WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED AT SOME POINT IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT THIS YEAR OR NEXT, BUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THEY'RE GETTING TO THAT CONDITION. THAT'S PROBABLY 12 TO $15,000. SO YOU ELIMINATE HAVING TO DO THAT FUTURE MAINTENANCE IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE, ONE OF THOSE WOODEN POLES BROKEN A STORM EARLIER THIS YEAR. SO YOU'RE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO THAT WITH EITHER TYPE OF POLE REALLY. UM, SO THAT ONE IS A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND, BUT WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING ALL THE WOODEN POLES. SO AESTHETICALLY IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IT DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE SAFETY FOR THOSE PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY AT THAT CURVE. UM, GOOD SOLUTION. MM-HMM . I MEAN THAT CURVE IS, IT'S AN ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, WITH PEOPLE COMING OUT ON JOHNSON CHAPEL AND IF YOU GO FURTHER, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP TOWARDS COURT GRAM, I MEAN THEY GOT A GUY OUT THERE WITH ALL KIND OF SUN. YEAH, THEY DO. AND THAT'S NOT UH, NOT EFFICIENT, NOT TOTALLY KOSHER AS FAR AS ALL OF THAT. BUT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY SO WE'RE NOT EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. AND NO, I AGREE. IT'S A, A GOOD SOLUTION GIVEN A TOUGH SITUATION. THE SIDEWALKS IN THERE. UH, THE QUESTION I HAD IS, I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I SHOULD KNOW, BUT WHAT IS THE STUBBED OUT ROAD RIGHT BY THE WORD JOHNSON CHAPEL TO THE LEFT, RIGHT THERE THAT GOES TO CHRIS'S WATER PUMP STATION. . AND IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A DRIVEWAY TOO. IT'S A DRIVEWAY FOR THAT HOUSE DESERVES THE HOUSE. AND YOU'LL REMEMBER WE ADDED A LITTLE SIDEWALK, WHICH DOESN'T APPEAR RIGHT THERE. YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE SIDEWALK. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE EASEMENT DOWN INTO THE SCHOOL UP THE TOP AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS THERE. IT'S A SENSITIVE ISSUE BECAUSE OF PEOPLE PARKING AND THE NEIGHBORS AND DIFFERENT STUFF. IF THEY CAME UP THE WATER DEPARTMENT ACCESS AND UP FISHER COURT, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. I MEAN I I I AGREE COMPLETELY. IF WE, IF WE COULD EXTEND THE SCHOOL ZONE THAT HELPS FOR THE, THE FOLKS THAT CHOOSE TO WALK ON MURRAY LANE. MM-HMM . I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO WATCH WALK FISHER COURT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHOOSE TO WALK THAT WAY. OF COURSE THEY CAN WALK THAT WAY. WE CAN'T STOP THEM REALLY. NO, NO. NEITHER CAN THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY MORE WITH PARKING, LIKE YOU SAID. BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PAVED. SO IT'D BE SQUISHY WHEN IT'S WET AND YEAH. AND YOU GOT A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAID ALL ALONG. WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE. BRIDGE GOTTA WASH OUT, BUT THE SCHOOL'S GOTTA BUILD A CREEK CROSSING AND ALL THE REST OF THAT THERE ON THEIR SIDE BEFORE YOU EVER GET TO THE, AND THE PARKING IS NOT THERE ON FISHER, IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM ANYMORE. NOW ON SCALE. I DON'T, IT'S FINISHED THERE. IT WAS DUR JUST DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND, AND AND THE DELAYS OF ALL THAT. YEAH, THERE MAY BE SOME A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING MORE. SO, SO IF IT'S SETTLED DOWN, SUSANNA, DO YOU THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE MORE I AMENABLE IF, IF THE SCHOOL WANTED TO APPROACH US AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PART OF IT, DO YOU THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE IF THE CITY MADE IMPROVEMENTS? I THINK CITY STAFF HAS HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT FELT LIKE THAT PROPERTY. CHRIS HAS BEEN TALKING TO 'EM WITH THE SEWER PROJECT. I, I HAVEN'T TALKED. I THINK THE, THE CONCERN ON THE FRONT END WOULD BE, WELL IF YOU ADVERTISE IT FOR THAT, THAT THE PROBLEM WOULD COME BACK. I GOTCHA. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. WHETHER IT DOES OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THEIR CONCERN. YEAH. BASED UPON PREVIOUS CONVERSATION. THEY KNOW THAT IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY. THEY, PEOPLE CAN WALK ON IT, BUT YEAH, WE BUILD IT. WILL IT, WILL THEY COME TYPE OF CONCERN? RIGHT. WELL OF ALL FOUR. MAKING MURRAY LANE SAFER IF WE CAN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS OUR PREFERRED ROUTE AND WE'RE DOING THIS TO PUT MORE WALKERS ON MURRAY LANE. YEAH. UM, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR, BECAUSE WALKING TO SCHOOL IS A GREAT THING WHEN WE CAN FACILITATE IT. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT, THANK YOU FOR RESEARCHING IT TAKES TO ORDER THOSE SIGNS AND ARE THOSE YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FOR [01:25:01] NOT YEAH. RESIDENTS REACHED OUT TO ME AND I BROUGHT IT TO STAFF AND Y'ALL HAVE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THIS, SO THANK YOU ON THAT. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YEAH, CAN'T SIT THROUGH. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK CHRIS FOR THE WORK HE DID ON THE SEWER TESTING AT SCALES. UM, TEACHERS ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE, ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK IN THE MIX THERE. SO IT'S A BIG DEAL. HUGE, HUGE IMPROVEMENT FOR THEM. SO THANK YOU. WELL I HOPE Y'ALL UNDERSTOOD FROM OUR MESSAGE THOUGH IS THAT THEY'VE GOT ISSUES, THEY'VE GOT SCHOOLS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH AND THERE WILL BE, WHILE WE'VE REDIRECTED SEWAGE NOW IT'S GONNA, IT'S COMING BACK NOW. IT'LL BE WITH A GREATER FLOW AND HOPEFULLY NOT GENERATING THE ODOR PROBLEM, BUT, BUT WE BOUGHT THEM TIME TO FIX IT, IF THAT'S RIGHT. THEY CHOOSE TO FIX IT. IT'S VERY GRACIOUS OF US DO THAT. SO THANK Y'ALL. OKAY. UM, REAL QUICK BEFORE THE REFERENCE, JUST WANTED TO PUT US UP. SO, UM, YOUR MEMORIAL DAY OF THAT, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE AGAIN. UM, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THE TIMING OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO JUST SO WE CAN PLAN IT. LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO DO I THINK THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY, WHICH ENDED UP BEING THE WEEK BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY THIS YEAR. THAT'S THE TUESDAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY. SO THAT MAY NOT BE IDEAL IF YOU MOVE BACK TO THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, THAT WILL BE THE ONE AFTER THE ELECTION. YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE SWEARING INS, ALL THE ELECTIONS IN MAY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO IF YOU WANT TO COMBINE THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE GREATEST THING TO DO. SO THE ONLY OTHER SOLUTION THAT STAFF CAME UP WITH TO SUGGEST TO YOU ALL WOULD BE TO DO IT THAT FIRST MEETING IN MAY, BUT DO IT AT 6:00 PM YOU CAN HAVE YOUR VETERANS PROGRAM OR WHATEVER HAVE A LITTLE RECEPTION AND THEN HAVE YOUR NORMAL MEETING AT SEVEN CLOSER TO MEMORIAL DAY. WELL YOU CAN DO IT THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY IF YOU THINK THAT'S SUITABLE. DON'T, WE'RE JUST PITCHING IT TO YOU. I THINK THAT'S FINE. WHY DO IT A MONTH EARLY WHEN WE CAN DO IT THE DAY AFTER? WHAT IS THAT DATE? MAY 26TH OR 27TH. MEMORIAL DAY'S. THE 26TH. SO IT'D BE TUESDAY THE 27TH. YEAH. AND THEN WHAT'S THE ONE PRIOR TO MEMORIAL DAY? THE 12TH. WE DID THE 13TH LAST YEAR. RIGHT. DID WE DO IT THE FIRST MEETING OR THE SECOND MEETING? WE DID IT ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE. MM. I HATE 'CAUSE IT WAS THE SAME, IT WAS THE SAME SETUP. UH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TUESDAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY ATTENDANCE WOULD BE LOW. PEOPLE WOULD BE OUT OF TOWN. WE DID IT ON MAY TUESDAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY. WE DID IT ON, IT FELL ON, WE DID THE SERVICE ON MAY 13TH LAST YEAR. THE MEMORIAL DAY EVENT WE DID ON MAY 13TH LAST YEAR. I'D JUST BE CONSISTENT. OKAY. SO THAT'D BE THE SAME ONE. THIS ONE, BUT JUST PRIOR TO YEAH. VERSUS NOW THE ISSUE IS THOUGH, DO YOU WANT DO IT AT SEVEN WHEN YOU GOT ALL THE OTHER STUFF GOING ON OR DO YOU WANT TO DO IT EARLIER OR TO SIX? EITHER SIX OR EVEN FIVE 30 MM-HMM . UM, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT HAVE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO CLEAR OUT BEFORE OUR MEETING IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO STAY. OKAY, WELL YOU GOT TIME TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. WE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO PICK WHICH OF THE MAY DATES. YEAH, SO WE'LL GO WITH MAY 13TH. YEAH. BUT I DO THINK, I DO THINK WE SHOULD DO IT SOMETHING EARLIER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, BUT BEFORE THE 7:00 PM START, SORRY. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE DISCUSSION OF, OF A BOUND REFERENDUM AS REQUESTED, UM, BY COMMISSIONER DUNN. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YEAH KRISTEN. SO, SO THE WAY I'VE PRESENTED THIS, UM, IS JUST A VERY BRIEF SUPERFICIAL OVERVIEW. THE LAW IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS TO HOW A BOND REFERENDUM WOULD WORK. UH, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TYPICALLY, OR THAT WE TYPICALLY DO BOND ISSUANCE, UM, IS YOU HAVE YOUR INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION. THAT'S WHAT COMES TO YOU ALL, UM, FOR YOU TO VOTE ON. AND IT INCLUDES THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE, WHAT THE BOND ISSUANCE WILL BE, WHAT THE PROJECT IS, THE MAXIMUM INTEREST RATE AND THE STATEMENT OF REVENUES TO BE USED TO PAY THE BONDS. SO THAT'S ALWAYS IN THE INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION. AFTER THAT BOND RESOLUTION IS PASSED BY THE CITY COMMISSIONER OR BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, THEN THERE'S A PUBLICATION AND THAT GETS POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT SAYS THAT IF 10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS PETITION TO HAVE A REFERENDUM WITHIN 20 DAYS OF THAT PUBLICATION, THAT'S WHEN THAT PETITION WOULD HAVE TO BE TURNED IN. THEN AN ELECTION WILL BE HELD. SO IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THE PETITION WILL BE FILED WITH HOLLY AS THE CITY RECORDER. UM, AND THEN THE ELECTION COMMISSION WOULD CERTIFY THE NUMBER OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS WITHIN THE CITY. UM, WHICH WOULD THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THE PETITION ARE ELIGIBLE VOTERS AND THAT THERE WERE 10% OF 'EM. UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT AN ELECTION RESOLUTION CALLING FOR THE REFERENDUM [01:30:01] THAT WOULD THEN BE SENT TO THE ELECTION COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY PUT THE, UM, REFERENDUM ON A BALLOT. KIRK, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THAT'S IT WITH AN INITIAL BOND. THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION THAT IS ALWAYS IN THERE. SO IN THE ALTERNATIVE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALTER WE'LL, WE'LL SEND YOU THESE SLIDES TOO IF YOU WANT. MM-HMM. UM, AND IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THE, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS CAN, FROM THE GET GO, CHOOSE TO DO AN ELECTION RESOLUTION. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS WOULD INCLUDE, INCLUDE THE SAME INFORMATION AS THE INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION. IT WOULD HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, THE PROJECT, THE MAXIMUM INTEREST RATE, AND AGAIN, THE STATEMENT OF REVENUES TO BE USED TO PAY THE BONDS. AND IT WOULD ALSO CONTAIN WITHIN IT THE, UM, THAT THE COUNTY ELECTION COMMISSION SHALL HOLD THIS ELECTION FOR THE ISSUANCE OF THE BOND. UM, SO THAT IF, IF THAT WERE TO TAKE PLACE, THAT COULD BE IN PLACE OF THAT INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION, WHICH IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED BY STATE LAW FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BOND. OR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS COULD ALSO COME BACK LATER AFTER DOING THAT INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION AND CHOOSE TO DO AN ELECTION RESOLUTION. BUT AGAIN, IT CAN BE EITHER OR, UM, OR AFTER THAT. SO KIRK, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO IF EITHER WAY, IF THERE'S A REFERENDUM, SO EITHER MEANING IF 10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS WERE TO PETITION FOR A REFERENDUM AFTER THE PASSAGE OF INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION OR IF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WERE TO PASS AN ELECTION RESOLUTION, UM, SO THEN IT, A REFERENDUM IS HELD PURSUANT TO THIS STATE LAW THAT'S CALLED ELECTION ON QUESTIONS. THE ELECTION WOULD BE SET BETWEEN 75 AND 90 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION COMMISSION IS DIRECTED TO HOLD THE ELECTION. AND WITH THAT SAID, IF IT'S WITHIN 90 DAYS AND THERE'S ALREADY A, AN ELECTION SCHEDULED OR AN ELECTION ON THE CALENDAR, THEN THE, UM, ELECTION COMMISSION DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM WITH THAT 75 TO 90 DAYS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THERE, THAT'S ALL THE SLIDES. I HAVE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AGAIN, IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, THE TWO WAYS TO GET TO A REFERENDUM FOR A BOND ISSUANCE. MM-HMM . AND YOU'LL SEND US THAT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. GOOD. THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. MY QUESTION IS IF FOR US TO HOLD, I, I WOULD LIKE THIS ON OUR AGENDA ONE WAY OR THE OTHER VOTED UP OR DOWN, BUT IF IT WERE VOTED UP, WHAT MEETING DOES IT HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT TO MEET THAT 75 TO 90 DAY, THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING? FEBRUARY 10TH? YES. YES MA'AM. THAT WOULD BE THE ONE WITHIN THAT WINDOW. OKAY. FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING. UM, NOW WITH THAT SAID, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ELECTION COMMISSION. THEIR LAWYER, THEIR LAWYERS ACTUALLY A ESTATE LAWYER. WELL I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DATE HE TOLD ME. SO I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY FEBRUARY 10 IS, IS CORRECT. SO, WELL, I I THINK THIS IS SIMPLE FOR US TODAY TO DECIDE EITHER WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA OR WE WON'T. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY FOR OUR WHAT'S THE MEETING? THE 27TH? I MEAN, YOU COULD EITHER OH, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING HAVE SOMETHING ON THE 27TH TO A RESOLUTION TO UPHOLD OR NOT UPHOLD? YES. WELL, AND AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION, UM, FROM TODAY, BUT IT'S GOOD INFORMATION. BUT I THINK THE CALLS FOR ACTION ON, ON THE PART OF THIS COMMISSION, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FAIRLY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE OUT THERE WITH THE IDEA OF THE, THE TENANTS AND PICKLEBALL CLUB HERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO FUND THE FACILITY AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESIDENT INPUT. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SPEARS IN PARTICULAR SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD REALLY PAY ATTENTION, VALUE RESIDENT INPUT. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENT INPUT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EMAILS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO COMMISSIONS AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND SOME PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS A BAD IDEA. SO I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA HONOR OUR VALUES AS A COMMISSION, I THINK AS A COMMISSION WE SHOULD VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO MAKE SURE THIS REFERENDUM IS ON OUR BALLOT FOR THE ELECTION COMING UP TO FOR REAL GET RESIDENT INPUT ON THIS ISSUE AND, AND SOLVE THIS CONTENTION. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT FEEL VERY STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND I THINK PUTTING IT UP ON THE BALLOT FOR A VOTE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRACTICES AS BRENTWOOD AND I THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH GOOD GOVERNANCE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT AS A COMMISSION. AND I THINK WE SHOULD. AND, AND ALL I'M ASKING IS TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPY TO SIT AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND A CALL FOR A VOTE. BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS LEGALLY. IT HAS TO BE ON OUR AGENDA. AND THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR ANY COMMISSIONER TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE COMMISSION ON THE AGENDA [01:35:01] TODAY. I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE IT ON OUR MEETING TO VOTE YAY OR NAY TO HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THE ELECTION. AND I'M, I GO ON RECORD SAYING YES, I WANT IT ON OUR AGENDA. UH, IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ON THE AGENDA. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS REFERENDUM AS PART OF THE ELECTION, FIND OUT THAT THE CITIZENS REALLY BELIEVED BY THIS PROJECT IF WE DON'T ISSUE BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT. HOW DOES THAT, I CAN'T HEAR YOU IF WE DON'T ISSUE BONDS FOR THIS PROJECT. HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO WHAT YOU PRESENTED? THE, IS THE INFORMATION THAT I PRESENTED IS ONLY A REFERENDUM ON A BOND ISSUANCE? YES, IT'S ON THE BOND IS ISSUE. SO IF THERE IS NOT A BOND ISSUANCE, THEN THOSE, THIS DOESN'T APPLY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THIS IS ONLY FOR BOND ISSUE. AND KIRK, HAVE WE ISSUED A BOND FOR THIS YET? NO. OKAY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE START OF IT WOULD BE THE INITIAL RESOLUTION. IT WOULD BE WHAT SHE PRESENTED. EITHER YOU HAVE THE INITIAL RESOLUTION AND THEN LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH EVERY OTHER BOND ISSUE OR YOU CALL IT REFERENDUM. BUT NO, WE HAVEN'T. IT'S JUST IN THE FUNDING PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN. THAT WOULD HAPPEN LATER THIS CALENDAR YEAR. THE COMMISSIONER SPEARS, IF IT'S CHOSEN, IT, IT, IT FEELS LIKE TO SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ISSUE BONDS FOR THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO AVOID HAVING A REFERENDUM AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY VOTE ON THIS. SO I SUPPOSE THE COMMISSION COULD CHOOSE TO TAKE THAT OUT ON OTHER PROJECTS AND SAY WE'RE TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW, RETAINED EARNINGS OR, OR RESERVE FUNDS OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A DELIBERATE STRATEGY TO AVOID A VOTE ON THIS TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL CLUB. AND I KNOW YOU LOVE THE CLUB AND I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE DYING TO DO THIS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE GIVEN YOUR TASTE FOR RESIDENT INPUT AND HAVING PEOPLE VOTE ON IT, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD INTENTIONALLY AVOID HAVING THE REFERENDUM ON IT BY SAYING WE'RE NOT DOING A BOND ISSUE ON THIS SPECIFICALLY. 'CAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BOND ISSUE IN FINANCIAL PLAN AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE A DELIBERATE STRATEGY TO AVOID IT. IT'S NOT A CLUB, IT'S NOT A CLUB, IT'S NOT A CLUB THAT'S PART OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT GOES OUT THERE BY USING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO DO WITH THIS. I CAN SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY. I CAN SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY. LET'S, IT'S NOT COMMISSIONER MAYOR, I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU. I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT TO AT THIS MEETING. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DECOR 'EM IN THE MEETING AND WE WILL NOT INTERRUPT. UM, VICE TRAVIS PASSES THE FLOOR. I'LL LISTEN. YOU, YOU DO. I WOULD LIKE TO FOR ONCE A STICK TO THE FACTS AND THE ISSUE AT HAND. WE DON'T NEED TO REHASH THIS TENNIS THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING. THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF TIME TO REHASH IT. LET'S DON'T GET OFF ON A SIDETRACK HERE. NO MA'AM. STICK TO IT ONE TIME. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. UH, IF SOMEONE HAS A FLOOR, DO NOT, UH, CONTINUE TO INTERRUPT. UM, DO NOT INSTRUCT ME ON BEING RESPECTFUL. PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT. UM, PLEASE SHOW THE, UH, COMMON COURTESY UNDER COMMISSIONERS. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE TRIED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND I CANNOT DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONTINUALLY INTERRUPTING. SO PLEASE DO NOT LECTURE ME ON DECORUM OR TRADITION OR ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THIS COMMISSION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT ON AT OUR AGENDA, JUST SAY, SO LET'S DON'T, LET'S DON'T PLAY GAMES HERE. IT'S NOT A CLUB, IT'S NOT A CLUB REHASHING THE, THAT'S PART OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE. AND THIS REALLY DOESN'T COME DOWN TO ABOUT A REFERENDUM. THIS COMES DOWN TO A CONTINUATION OF WHETHER YOU WANT THE FACILITY OR NOT. I THINK THIS SETS DANGEROUS PRECEDENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE A, WE REFERENDUM WHEN WE DECIDED TO WENDY HILL PARK, THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE SAYING WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MONEY AND THEY'RE SCARED ABOUT THIS. THEY THINK THEIR MONIES ARE GONNA BE A TAX INCREASE. THERE'S NOT A TAX INCREASE. I THINK THIS IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. I THINK IT WOULD SET PRECEDENT. I THINK WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. KURT, COULD, COULD YOU LET US KNOW THE HISTORY OF REFERENDUMS MAYBE OVER THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS IN BRENTWOOD AND SORT OF HOW THAT'S WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WERE THEY FOR AND WHAT YEAR THEY WERE IN? WELL, SPECIFIC TO BOND REFERENDUMS, THERE'S BEEN TWO, AND I THINK, AND I'M SORRY, I THINK 2004, 2005 TIMEFRAME. THEY WERE, THEY WERE BOTH ON THE SAME DATE. ONE WAS TO ISSUE BONDS TO BUILD THE MALLORY LANE EXTENSION TO CONCORD ROAD, WHICH WAS A LOT OF CONTENTION AMONG THE COMMUNITY. AND AND THAT SAME ONE, THE GREEN SPACE GROUP HAD BEEN, UM, ASKING THE CITY TO DO A GREEN SPACE MASTER PLAN AND TO ISSUE BONDS TO ACQUIRE GREEN SPACE. SO THERE WAS, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU VOTED ON TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY WEREN'T COMBINED, THEY WERE ON THE SAME DAY, BUT TWO DIFFERENT VOTES. [01:40:01] ONE WAS THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS FROM MALLORY LANE EXTENSION AND ONE WAS FOR THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS, I THINK UP TO $50 MILLION TO ACQUIRE, UH, GREEN SPACE GOING FORWARD. SO JUST SO I'M REPEATING BACK TO YOU WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY. SO IN 2004, THERE WERE TWO, THAT WAS THE LAST BOND REFERENDUM THAT HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF BROOKLYN. I I DON'T TOLD ME TO THE 2004 DATE, BUT THAT'S CORRECT. IS IS A 2004 DATE. DATE, OKAY. AND ONE WAS FOR THE MALLORY LANE EXTENSION, UH, WHICH WAS FOR HOW MANY MILLION DOLLARS? I WANNA SAY 4 MILLION ROADS WERE CHEAP THEN I THINK 3 MILLION, 4 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOUR MIL, $4 MILLION FOR THE UM, AND GEO VS TWO FUND CONSTRUCTION OF THE MALLORY LANE EXTENSION AND AN ISSUANCE OF UP TO $50 MILLION IN BONDS FOR GREEN SPACE PRESERVATION. SO A TOTAL OF POTENTIAL $54 MILLION IN 2004, WHICH 20 YEARS AGO. THAT HELPS US BALANCE HOW MUCH MONEY. AND BOTH OF THOSE WERE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE AUGUST COUNTY ELECTION. 'CAUSE IT WAS A EVEN YEAR. MM-HMM . UM, AND BOTH FAILED ROUGHLY AROUND THE SAME 43 57, 43 AGAINST 57, NO, 53 AGAINST 53 47 4 TIMEFRAME. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO BOND REFERENDUMS I'M FAMILIAR WITH EVER HAPPENING THAT THE CITY CALLED IN THE, IN THE METHOD THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE. NOW YOU HAD, I THINK YOU HAD REFERENDUMS TO CREATE THE 9 1 1 DISTRICT. YOU HAD REFERENDUM TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE CITY COMMISSION FROM FIVE TO SEVEN. UH, THOSE ARE THE OTHER TWO THAT I RECALL. CORRECT, YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. AND ONE OF THOSE THAT FAILED THAT I WAS FOR, I SUPPORTED ONE AND DIDN'T THE OTHER, BUT I STILL VOTED TO HAVE IT ON THE BALLOT SO THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD MAKE THAT DECISION. SO, AND ON TO THE POINT THAT BOTH COMMISSIONER TRAVIS, COMMISSIONER SPEARS ARE SAYING I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THIS IS THE CONTENTION. SO ON SOMETHING LIKE WINDY HILL PARK, THAT WAS THE UNANIMOUS BOAT, THERE WASN'T CONTENTION AROUND THAT. THE MALLORY LANE EXTENSION, WHICH IS MUCH LESS MONEY, BUT IT WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF MORE EXPENSIVE ROAD PROJECTS BEFORE AND AFTER THERE'S A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. AND AS, AS COMMISSIONER SPEARS OFTEN SAYS, IT'S BEEN A PRACTICE THE COMMISSIONER IN BRENTWOOD TO GET THE RESIDENT INPUT. SO IF YOU HAVE A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE LIKE THIS FACILITY, IF YOU'D PREFER, I WOULD, UH, AS IF AS A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, IT IS EXACTLY KEEPING WITH THE PRACTICE OF BRENTWOOD TO PUT IT AT UP TO REFERENDUM, JUST LIKE THE CONTENTION ABOUT THE, THE MALLORY LANE EXTENSION. JUST LIKE THE ACQUISITION OF GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WENDY HILL PARK, BUT AT THAT TIME IT WAS CONTENTIOUS IN TRYING TO PUT THESE THINGS UP FOR THAT. SO IT'S A COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE USE OF A REFERENDUM FOR CONTENTIOUS ISSUE AND FOR ANYONE WHO THINKS MISINFORMATION IS OUT THERE FROM NOW UNTIL MAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME PEOPLE WILL BE ENGAGED, BUT WHERE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN NECESSARILY SO FAR, BUT ONCE THEY'VE BECOME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THINGS, THEY'RE BECOMING ENGAGED. EVERYBODY CAN PUT OUT THE INFORMATION AND IF YOU THINK IT'S INCORRECT THEN YOU CAN SPEAK UP AND SAY, SO NOBODY'S OBJECTING TO THAT. ALL I'M ASKING IS CAN WE PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA TO VOTE UP OR DOWN THAT WE WILL HAVE A REFERENDUM VOTE. THAT IS ALL THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. AND IF YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT SPENDING MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL INDOOR PROJECT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF BRENTWOOD, YOU SHOULD BE CHEERFULLY HAPPY TO PUT IT OUT FOR REFERENDUM AT THIS ELECTION. 'CAUSE IF IT IS THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY, I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL COME OUT AND SUPPORT IT IN DROVES AND THEN WE'LL KNOW. OH KRISTEN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE? WHICH ONE? SO IT INCLUDES DOLLAR AMOUNTS INTEREST RATE, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE BOND ISSUANCE. SO A AMOUNT, NOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE BOND ISSUE. AND I APOLOGIZE THIS, THESE ARE JUST, THAT'S WHY I SAID GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS THE PROCESS. THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE ALWAYS START WITH, OR AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE OTHER TWO THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT IT IS CALLED INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION BY STATE LAW. THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT HAS TO CONTAIN. AND I, MY POINT IN SHOWING THE, UM, ELECTION RESOLUTION WAS REALLY JUST TO SHOW IT'S THE SAME TYPE INFORMATION, BUT THAT TAKES THE PLACE OF THIS INITIAL BOND RESOLUTION, WHICH IS A DEFINED TERM I LAW. YES. SO CHRIS, DO YOU SEE ANY BARRIER IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO HAVE THIS REFERENDUM ON THE ELECTION THIS SPRING? IS THERE ANY REASON WE CAN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? DO YOU MEAN DATE WISE? I I JUST MEAN IN GENERAL, DO YOU SEE A BARRIER IF WE SAID TODAY YES TO ANN'S REQUEST, WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT [01:45:01] ON THE AGENDA AND THEN WE VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT WOULD KEEP US FROM HAVING IT ON THE ELECTION THIS YEAR? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OUR BOND COUNCIL THAT WOULD, UM, DRAFT, HELP US DRAFT THE RESOLUTION, BUT I DON'T, KNOWING THE WAY THAT THEY'VE HISTORICALLY WORKED WITH US, I WOULDN'T SEE AN ISSUE IN TIMING TO, FOR, FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT READY BY THE FEBRUARY 10TH. SO WE CAN HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THIS IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO CORRECT. YES. BECAUSE THAT FEBRUARY 10TH DATE WOULD BE WITHIN THE 75 TO 90 DAYS OF THE STATE LAW THAT FOR THE ELECTIONS ON QUESTIONS. CORRECT. YEAH. SO SO IT'S REALLY UP TO DID THAT ANSWER THE, YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THIS COMMISSION WHETHER OR NOT WE GIVE THE RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AT A VOTE. FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE. I THINK FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, OH, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THE ABILITY TO DO IT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN'T DO THIS. IF WE WANT TO A VOTE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM ON FEBRUARY 10TH WOULD MEET THE TIMEFRAME SET FORTH BY STATE LAW TO MAKE IT ON THE MAY ELECTION OR THE MAY BALLOT. DOES THAT ANSWER? I THINK SO. OKAY. WELL, LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS, AND COMMISSIONER DUNN, YOU KNOW, SAID IT IS STAFF DOES NOT RESPOND TO AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER TO PUT AN ORDINANCE OR TO PUT A RESOLUTION ON. SO THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF, UH, WITH NEEDING AT LEAST FOUR INDIVIDUALS WANTING IT, UM, ON, ON A, ON A AGENDA. NOW THAT DOESN'T PREVENT A COMMISSIONER UNDER OTHER NEW BUSINESS TO MAKE A MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PUT IT ON THERE. THAT'S HOW SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED ALSO. THAT'S HOW THE, A FEW THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. SO, BUT SITTING AROUND THE TABLE TODAY, IF THERE'S NOT FOUR PEOPLE CLEARLY WHO TELL ME THAT YOU WOULD LIKE A, AN ITEM ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA TO VOTE ON THIS. WELL, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER LITTLE? I KNOW. HE, HE TOLD ME HE FAVORS IT. OKAY. BUT, SO THAT'S THREE. ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS THAT ON THE AGENDA THAT WOULD MAKE MAKE A FOUR MAJORITY? SO NONE OF THE FOUR OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE THAT. WE HAVE ANOTHER BRIEFING THAT WE CAN DECIDE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME TO WELL THE, THE REQUEST WAS TO HAVE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. SO THERE'S NOT ANOTHER BRIEFING BEFORE IT'S EITHER ON THAT AGENDA OR IT ISN'T. UH, YOU COULD, IF IT'S NOT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN AT THE NEXT BRIEFING AND THEN PUT IT ON, I GUESS THE FEBRUARY 10TH AGENDA. THE REQUEST WAS TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE NEXT MEETING DEVOTED UP OR DOWN TO THEN HAVE IT ON THE FEB. AM I UNDERSTANDING RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO, SO NONE OF THE FOUR OF Y'ALL ARE CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN THIS PROJECT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR I DISAGREE WITH YOUR CONFIDENCE STATEMENT. I DON'T SEE A NEED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. , YOU DON'T WANT IT ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T SEE A NEED, I'D SAY THE CONTENTION AND THE VOLUME OF EMAILS WE'VE HAD ASKING FOR A REFERENDUM ON THIS IS PROOF OF THE NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA IN PENDING INTENT. HER OPINION WITH NO, THAT'S JUST OBSERVATION. PEOPLE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION WE'RE TAKING OUT AN $18 MILLION BOND AND WE'RE NOT, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN DECIDED TO TAKE OUT A BOND. WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OUT A BOX. THIS IS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY THAT'S WARMING OUT WORMING. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SUB WASHINGTON POLITICS. IT REALLY IS TO DO IT THAT WAY. NO, BUT IT'S ALSO THE MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SENT OUT. ANN, YOU CAN'T SAY NO. YOU'RE ARE TELLING THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE A DECISION WHILE MISINFORMATION HAS BEEN SENT, MISINFORMATION OUT. WHAT? NOBODY'S GONE TO MAKE A DECISION. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WANT A REFERENDUM THAT GIVES THREE MONTHS TO GET WHATEVER YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION OUT THERE. AND, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS, AFTER TWO YEARS, NEVER, EVER, EVER HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY, AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM 'EM, 'EM FOR TWO YEARS, AND SOME OF THEM FOUR YEARS STILL THINK WE OWN MARYLAND WAY, OR WE ARE RUNNING THE MARYLAND WAY TENNIS FACILITY. THEY'RE SO CONFUSED. OR THEY THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING THAT ONE. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. THEY, MANY OF THEM DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS, WELL, YOU'VE GOT THREE MONTHS, WE CAN ALL WE, I HAVE TO MAKE A CASE TOO, WHY I WOULD OPPOSE THIS. YOU DO, YOU DO. IF IT'S THAT, WHY, IF PEOPLE WANT IT THAT BAD, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO TELL PEOPLE. NO, YOU REALLY DON'T. AND RIGHT NOW ALL THEY HEARD IS, AND THAT WOULD BE MY JOB. AND I COULDN'T EVEN LOBBY AS A COMMISSIONER. I, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL EMAILS, PERSONAL PHONE CALLS. I COULD NEVER USE CITY RESOURCES TO LOBBY ON THIS. AND, AND TO CLARIFY THAT POINT, IF, IF, IF THERE EVER IS ONE, WHETHER IT'S THIS TOPIC YES [01:50:01] OR ANOTHER, EVEN THE TWO IN, IN OH FOUR, THE CITY AS A GOVERNMENT, YOU AS INDIVIDUALS CANNOT USE CITY RESOURCES TO ADVOCATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ALL THE CITY CAN DO IS PROVIDE FACTUAL DOCUMENTATION OF ON THE ISSUE. JUST TO HER POINT, SO THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING FACTUAL INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THERE'S A, A, A LANDING PAGE WHERE YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT THE RECORD FACILITY. YOU CAN READ THE REPORT, YOU CAN WATCH OUR MEETINGS. THEY'RE LINKED THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT THAT. WE'VE BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR, UH, OVER RIGHT AT TWO YEARS. UH, WE'VE HAD GREAT ATTENDANCE AT THOSE MEETINGS. WE, ALL OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WHICH MET WEEKLY, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE HAD SOME ATTENDANCE THERE. SO THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN OUT FOR A LONG TIME. UM, AND I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF CREATING A SPOT WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME AND FIND FACTUAL INFORMATION. IT, IT IS TRUE THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF NOTICE INFORMATION OUT THERE. UM, PEOPLE ARE VERY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW MUCH THE COST IS, UM, THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. UM, THEY THINK WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN BONDS OUT. THEY THINK WE'RE, WE HAVE TO GO INTO DEBT. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION THAT'S OUT THERE. SO, UM, IT'S BEEN MY OPINION SINCE OUR VERY FIRST WORK SESSION WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED IN THE CIP, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE BONDS OUT. AND I'VE STATED THAT MULTIPLE TIMES PUBLICLY, UM, PUT IT IN EMAIL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A NEW STANCE FOR ME. THAT'S BEEN A, A ALMOST TWO YEAR LONG STANCE. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW. WELL, SO I REALLY HAVE TO GO NOW, BUT I CAN ASSUME THAT I, IT'S SAFE TO SHARE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS THAT THE, THE, UM, CONSENSUS OF THIS BOARD IS THAT NO REFERENDUM IS NEEDED. OKAY. VERY TIMELY. THERE'S STILL A, THERE'S A HUNGER FOR PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED IN DECISION MAKING, AND I'M SORRY THAT WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO I'VE GOT SOMETHING, UH, BEFORE WE WRAP, BUT, UH, WELL, WE'VE GOT THE WATER SEWER. I'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE WHO FLEW UP HERE FROM FLORIDA FOR WATER SEWER. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, SO, UM, LET'S BRING THEM IN. UH, AND, BUT I AM SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. KEEP GOING. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIKE RAPID AND LEAD. THAT'S WHAT I SAY. . NO. UM, UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, UH, THIS PAST MONDAY AS MAYOR, UH, TO MEET WITH JAY AND TALK WITH HIM, UH, ABOUT, UM, THE TRANSITION, UM, THAT HE WAS, UH, GOING TO OCCUR WITH, UH, KIRK EXITING, UH, IN ABOUT, UH, THREE WEEKS. UM, AND DISCUSSED HIS, UM, DESIRE, WILLINGNESS, UH, APPETITE, UH, TO SERVE IN THE, UH, IN THE INTERIM, UH, CAPACITY. UM, KRISTEN, UH, HAS BEEN INVOLVED, UH, AS WELL, UH, IN THIS, UH, AND JUST TO KIND OF BOIL IT DOWN, AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT FOR SOME, UH, DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, UM, AND THERE WAS INITIALLY A THOUGHT OF DOING AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH JAY. UM, BUT, UM, COUNSEL, UH, HAS COME BACK AND SAID, HEY, WE SHOULD DO THIS IN THE FORM OF A, UH, A RESOLUTION. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD BE PUT IN PLACE, UM, UH, TO KIND OF JUST LAY OUT, UM, WHAT THAT, UM, AGREEMENT WOULD BE WITH JAY. VERY SIMILAR, UH, IN TERMS OF A TERM, THE TERMS OF AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. UH, BUT AT A HIGH LEVEL, UH, IT WOULD BE A 15%, UH, BUMP, UH, TO HIS EXISTING, UM, SALARY. UM, WHILE HE WOULD BE SERVING IN THAT, UH, INTERIM, UH, CAPACITY. UH, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME PROTECTION, UH, AS WELL, UH, FOR HIM THAT, UM, HIS JOB, ASSUMING THAT HE DIDN'T DO, UH, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T, UH, TERMINABLE, UM, AS IT WOULD BE FOR ANY CITY, UH, EMPLOYEE WHILE HE'S THE CITY MANAGER, WE WOULD HOLD THAT, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SPOT OPEN, UH, FOR HIM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO RETURN TO. UM, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. . YOU NAILED THAT. . WELL, UM, UH, THANK YOU. I WAS, UH, UM, UM, PREPARED TO HAVE YOU, UM, FILL IN, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, THE GAPS. UM, BUT, UM, NOW IT'D BE, UH, A TIME TO HAVE, UM, THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UH, JAY, BECAUSE WE WANT HAVE, UM, I, I BELIEVE SOME CONTINUITY, UH, OUT THERE. SO, UM, DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, COMMENT WOULD BE THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP. 'CAUSE I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED SOMEBODY. SO IF THIS CAN BE WORKED OUT, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND DOING THIS. YEAH. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO. BRENTWOOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME, AND I, I THINK IT'S AN EXPECTATION OF ME TO DO THAT IN THE INTERIM AND I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. AND YOU SAID IT WAS HOW MUCH OF A 15% AND IS THAT KIND OF STANDARD FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHEN THE, ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS HAD TO STEP, ANOTHER ASSISTANT HAS HAD TO STEP, OUR POLICY FOR, UH, PEOPLE IN AN ACTING CAPACITY IS 7% OR THE [01:55:01] MINIMUM OF THE POSITION THAT THEY'RE ACTING IN, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. IN JAY'S CASE, THERE IS NO PAY RANGE FOR THE CITY MANAGER. SO THERE'S NOTHING TO JUDGE THAT 7% VERSUS THE MINIMUM MATERIAL. SO I THINK IT'S YOUR DISCRETION. AND FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, UH, MAYOR GORMAN HIT ALL THE HIGH POINTS OF WHAT, AND IT'LL JUST BE PRESENTED IN RESOLUTION FORM, GIVING THE BACKGROUND APPOINTING JAY'S ACTING CITY MANAGER, UM, TILL SUCH TIME AS A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER IS NAMED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. IT SEEMS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THAT IN THAT WHICH YOU SAID IT WOULD BE, IS STATED THAT HIS JOB WOULD BE HELD FOR HIM TO RETURN TO. SO THAT ABSOLUTELY HE HAS THIS. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW. YES. AND FOR YOU OBVIOUSLY TO KNOW . YEAH. AND JAY, GOOD WITH ALL THIS? YES, SIR. VERY GOOD. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHAT YOU NEED. YES SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE HOPEFULLY THE FIVE OF YOU ARE WILLING TO STAY FOR THE WORLD. I MEAN, WE TELL, WE SENT YOU THE ORIGINAL OR THE PRESENTATION, YOU'VE SEEN THAT, I MEAN, IT'S THE STANDARD METHODOLOGY, YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE THROUGH IT QUICKLY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT CITY DISTANCE. YEAH. AND THEY'VE, UH, , I JUST NEED TO, WE TAKE A COUPLE WINTER BREAK, TAKE A BREATH OR RESTROOM IF YOU NEED TO. I'LL SWITCH SLIDE PRESENTATIONS FOR HIM. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET GOING HERE. I KNOW IT'S, UH, WE'RE HIT THE TWO HOUR MARK AND DARRYLL PROMISES TO DO AN ENTIRE RATE STUDY PRESENTATION IN THREE MINUTES OR LEFT, LEFT, BUT I, UM, HE'LL FIGURE OUT. SO DARRYLL PARKER WITH WILL DAN, WILL DAN HAS, UH, DONE OUR LAST TWO RATE STUDIES. UM, AND YOU'LL RECALL WE ARE REALLY, UH, IN I THINK THREE YEARS INTO THE RESULTS OF THEIR LAST STUDY WHERE WE HAVE ONE MORE RATE INCREASE PROJECTED FOR AUGUST OF THIS COMING YEAR FROM THAT LAST STUDY. BUT BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE SEWER TANK PROJECT FURTHER UP INTO THE CIP AND KNOWING THE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THAT, WE NEEDED TO BRING THEM BACK IN TO DO AN UPDATE AND MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S THE RESULTS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, WHAT HE'S GONNA PRESENT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR RATE IMPACTS GOING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS COMING UP. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU KIRK. AND, UH, SO I, AS YOU HEARD, I'M DARRYL PARKER AND UH, I'VE GOT MY COLLEAGUE TIFFANY WITH ME. UH, TIFFANY AND I, UH, WORKED ON THE RATE STUDY AND UH, ACTUALLY YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MODELING PROCESS AND ALL THAT, BUT IF YOU DO, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFER TO TIFFANY ON THAT. UM, SO, UM, I'M WITH WILL DAN FINANCIAL, UM, SERVICES. AND SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE DO RATE STUDIES, WE DO FINANCIAL, UM, ANALYSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR UTILITY SYSTEMS. AND SO WE'VE DONE THIS FOR YOU ONCE IN THE PAST. AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, THIS HAS BEEN MOVED UP A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BE HERE FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO OTHERWISE. UH, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE ALONG. BUT I WANT THIS TO BE INFORMAL. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE, SO WE WILL RUN THROUGH PRETTY QUICK. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST STOP ME, RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL ANSWER ANYTHING YOU NEED. UH, JEFF MCGARVEY IS OUR VICE PRESIDENT. HE WAS PLANNING ON BEING HERE WITH US, BUT HE HEARD HOW COLD IT WAS GONNA BE. . . NO, HE, I WILL SAY THEY'RE FROM FLORIDA, SO THAT'S, OH YES, WE ARE, WE'RE HERE FROM ORLANDO, SO, OH BOY. I'M VERY COLD. I'VE GOT A BIGGER JACKET IN THE CAR. LEFT IT THERE. SO, UH, WE'LL GET MOVING. SO JUST REAL QUICK, OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS WHEN WE'RE DOING A STUDY LIKE THIS, BIGGEST THING, FULL COST RECOVERY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING WITH THE RATES, THAT YOU GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUES TO PAY FOR THE PROJECTED EXPENDITURES, UH, COST BASE RATE STRUCTURE. WE WANT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT WATER TO PAY FOR WATER SEWER TO PAY FOR SEWER. WE DON'T WANT CUSTOMERS, UH, UH, LET'S SAY BURDEN, UH, ONE, ONE CLASS OVER ANOTHER. SO WE FOCUS ON EQUITY, ADMINISTRATIVE EFFICIENCY, JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING YOUR RATES SHOULD BE EASY FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS TO UNDERSTAND. AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED ANOTHER, UH, FIVE YEAR PLAN AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE SOME OF THE RES RESULTS OF THAT. AND PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT WE DO, WE TRY TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE INDUSTRY NORMS. JUST, I'LL GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK, JUST A QUICK VISUAL HERE. SO THE TOP PART BEING OUR REVENUES, UH, COMES FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS AND THEIR FLOWS. UH, WE'VE GOT OTHER REVENUES THAT COME IN THERE. AND SO WE, UH, PUT THOSE AND COMPARE 'EM TO YOUR REVENUE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE YOUR OM EXPENSES, ANY, UH, DEBT SERVICE AND, AND DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE NEEDS. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COVERAGE, UH, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE FUNDED FROM YOUR OPERATING BUDGET, UM, LIKE [02:00:01] AN ANNUAL KIND OF RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT TYPE PROJECTS AND ANY LIQUIDITY REQUIREMENTS LIKE DAYS, CASH ON HAND, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE STUFF ON THE TOP IS AT LEAST AS BIG AS THE STUFF ON THE BOTTOM. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE GOTTA MOVE INTO A, A RATE DESIGN PROCESS. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO IT HAS BEEN ONLY THREE YEARS SINCE OUR LAST REVIEW. AND, UH, YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, WHICH WE'LL ADDRESS HERE IN A SECOND. YOU'VE HAD RISING OPERATING COSTS, UH, WHOLESALE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU'VE GOT, UH, RISING PERSONNEL COSTS. BUT THE MAJOR THING THAT'S DRIVING, UH, THE, THE NEED IS OR IS YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, UH, PRIMARILY YOU GOT A HANDFUL OF PRETTY SIZABLE PROJECTS, BUT THESE WASTEWATER CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THE KIND, KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED IS, UH, WE WENT BACK AND, AND, AND LOOKED AT, UH, AND CHRIS AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE LAST STUDY COMPARED TO THIS STUDY AND THESE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS. THEY WERE SCHEDULED BACK THEN THREE YEARS AGO FOR 2028. AND THE, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS ABOUT $13 MILLION. NOW THEY'RE MOVED UP TO 2026 AND THE NEW NUMBER IS $22 MILLION. SO THEY'VE ALMOST DOUBLED IN PRICE AND MOVED FORWARD A COUPLE YEARS. SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE. SO WE DEVELOPED OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS. I MENTIONED THE, THE, THE CIP, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT ABOUT 46 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN JUST IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT BAD FOR A A, A UTILITY IN A CITY YOUR SIZE. 'CAUSE WE'RE SEEING NUMBERS WAY BIGGER THAN THIS IN OTHER PLACES. UH, SO WHAT, WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE YOU SEEING? OH, SOMETIMES 200 MILLION PLUS. WE'RE A CITY ALL OUR SIZE COMPARABLE SIZE SYSTEMS. YEAH. WOW. MM-HMM. YEAH. UH, AND, AND A LOT OF IT GOES, YOU KIND OF, UH, BACK TO PLANNING. I MEAN, BRENTWOOD, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, FIVE PLUS YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY HAS IN, IN FACT, UH, WILL DAM HAD DONE A PRIOR STUDY WITH ANOTHER COLLEAGUE OF OURS, UH, FIVE YEARS BEFORE THAT. SO THE CITY'S DONE A GOOD JOB AT KIND OF PLANNING AND STAYING ON TOP OF THINGS WHERE WE SEE PE PEOPLE GET INTO TROUBLE A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. EITHER THEY JUST KIND OF, AS WE SAY, KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST DON'T DO WHAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT OUGHT TO BE DONE. AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN JUST OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, REALLY KIND OF SINCE COVID THING, UM, CAPITAL COSTS HAVE JUST SKYROCKETED AND, AND NOT JUST HERE ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. BUT, UM, SO I, I'VE SEEN IT MOSTLY IN, IN, IN THE SOUTHEAST. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY EFFORTS ARE CONCENTRATED. SO YEAH. SO WE SEE A HUNDRED MILLION, 200 MILLION OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE COMMON. DARRELL. SOME OF THAT ALSO WOULD BE THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE PLANTS, WHEREAS OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT'S PART, YOU KNOW YEAH. UP UPGRADING THE CAPACITY OF A WATER PLANT COULD BE $80 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS TRUE. YEAH. AND, AND SO BEING A WHOLESALE CUSTOMER, SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T BENEFIT YOU IN YOUR CASE. IT, I THINK IT HAS BENEFITED. 'CAUSE WE, WE DO SEE A LOT OF IT IS DRIVEN BY NEED FOR NEW, NEW PLANT CAPACITY. SO HERE'S KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF, OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE BIGGEST PART OF IT'S RIGHT HERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE SEWER SYSTEM CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE, THE, THE $22 MILLION THAT WE TALKED, WELL, PART OF IT IS CASH FUNDED. THE, THE, THE BORROWING PART OF IT IS ABOUT $22 MILLION. SO IT'S, IT'S THAT, UH, THAT BORROWING AND THAT THAT BRINGING ON THAT, UH, ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS EARLIER, UH, IS, IS DRIVING A NEED FOR AN ADJUSTMENT, UM, THIS YEAR, THIS COMING YEAR, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN, THAN WAS EXPECTED LAST TIME. SO HERE'S THE, WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING IS GOING TO BE A REVENUE BOND ISSUE. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THESE ARE, UH, PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES THAT WE DE DEVELOPED FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. VERY VANILLA. UH, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DID BASICALLY A EQUAL ANNUAL PAYMENT, JUST LIKE A MORTGAGE PAYMENT TYPE THING. YOUR, YOUR ACTUAL PAYMENTS. ONCE, UH, YOU, YOU GET YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR KIND OF DEVELOPING THE PAYMENT PLAN AND ALL THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE PROJECTED AND, AND WILL PROBABLY BE STRUCTURED SOMEWHAT WHERE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE OF IT IS ON THE BACK END, UH, IN PAYMENT, UH, PAYMENT OF PRINCIPLE. SO HOPEFULLY OUR NUMBERS ARE CONSERVATIVE IS KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. SO FIRST THING WE DO IS, UH, OUR STATUS QUO. REMEMBER WE LOOK AT THE, THE, THE TOP PART OF, OF THAT, UH, ILLUSTRATION YOU SAW VERSUS THE BOTTOM PART, THE REVENUES VERSUS THE EXPENDITURES. THE DARKER BLUE BAR REVENUES, THE LIGHTER BLUE BAR [02:05:01] EXPENDITURES. SO, UH, IF, IF YOU DID NOTHING, JUST KIND OF KEPT THE RATES THAT THE WAY THEY'RE CURRENTLY PLANNED, UH, YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE OF THE PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE NEW DEBT. SO THERE, OUR EXPENDITURES START TO OUTDO OUR, OUR REVENUES AND OUR, OUR NET NUMBER IS GOING NEGATIVE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START PULLING OUTTA YOUR CASH. YOU'RE GONNA BE GOOD FOR A FEW YEARS. UM, THIS IS OUR, UH, A DAY'S CASH ON HAND NUMBER THAT, UH, BLACK BAR IS THE TARGET OF 180 DAYS, WHICH SIX MONTHS. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RESERVES. YOU'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW, BUT IN A FEW YEARS YOU'D BE HIT HITTING THAT BAR AND THEN GOING BELOW IT NOT A GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION TO BE IN. SO, YOU KNOW THAT 180 DAYS IS OUR, THE CITY'S ADOPTED POLICY FOR CASH ON HAND FOR THE, IT'S KIND OF THE EQUIVALENT TO THAT 40% FUND BALANCE THING IN THE GENERAL FUND. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE LOOK AT THIS, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN THAT, IN THAT CASH POSITION WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO RUN TOO LOW. BUT THIS IS ALL FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUND OF THE SEWER SYSTEM. WATER SEWER FUND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GENERAL FUND PROPERTY TAXES ELSE COMPLETELY SEPARATE. RIGHT. OKAY. JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. MM-HMM . JUST THE SEWER FUND, NOT THE OTHER WHOLE SET OF FINANCIAL. RIGHT. RIGHT. THIS IS JUST WATER AND SEWER. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. WHOOPS. DARYL, WITH THE ASTERISK THAT THERE IS A TIEBACK TO THE CITY'S OVERALL CREDIT RATING. OH, OH, SURE. IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE CREDIT RATING FOR, FOR OUR UTILITIES. GOOD POINT. WHICH WOULD BE A TRUE REVENUE BOND. THIS ACTUALLY IS MORE OF A GEO BOND. MM-HMM . RIGHT, RIGHT. SO YEAH. AND, AND THINGS LIKE THIS DO, DO IMPACT THAT. 'CAUSE IF, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE RATING AGENCIES AND THEY SEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GONNA BE RUNNING SHORT ON CASH, THAT DOES IMPACT YOUR RATING. MM-HMM . WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS OTHER RAMIFICATIONS, LIKE HIGHER INTEREST RATES AND THAT KIND OF THING. MM-HMM . SO HERE'S OUR, WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. SO HERE'S THE, UH, STATUS QUO. IF NOTHING ELSE CHANGED THAT, UM, YOU, YOU LOOK AT, UH, YOU LOOK AT YOUR DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE TWO WAYS, BOTH INCLUDING TAP FEES AND YOU'VE GOT A TARGET OF 1.25. UH, WELL THAT'S OUR TARGET. I THINK YOUR TARGET MIGHT BE, UH, MIGHT BE, UH, ONE 10. CHRIS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT ONE POINT? OH, I THINK IT'S 1.0. I THINK THE 1.01 BELIEVE IS EXCLUDING TAP FEES. YEAH. BUT WE, WE'VE SET THE TARGETS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR, FOR OUR PLANNING PURPOSES. FOR OUR ANALYSIS PURPOSES. AND SO, SO O OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT HITTING YOUR TARGETS. UH, BASICALLY, UM, IF, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, SO DOING NOTHING IS REALLY NOT, NOT THE BEST OPTION. UM, YOU, YOU PROBABLY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, BUT WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO, SO HERE'S WHAT, UM, WHAT'S CURRENTLY ADOPTED. WE'VE GOT RATES RIGHT NOW IN PLACE FOR FISCAL 2025. IN EFFECTIVE JULY ONE. THERE'S ALREADY AN ADOPTED TWO POINT HALF PERCENT INCREASE, UH, FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER. SO WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP THE TWO AND A HALF ON, ON THE WATER, BUT AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVE WATER, PAY FOR WATER, SEWER PAY FOR SEWER, SINCE IT'S THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT'S, UH, THAT'S DRIVING THE NEED FOR ADJUSTMENTS. UH, OUR PLAN IS TO PUT, PUT THE ADDITIONAL INCREASES ON, ON THE SEWER SIDE, AND THEN BY THE TIME WE GET OUT TO 2030, HOPEFULLY WE'RE BACK DOWN TO JUST MORE INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENTS FOR BOTH. SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE RATES LOOK LIKE. WE WON'T GO IN INTO ANY LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THIS. UH, THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR STAFF PURPOSES SO THAT THEY HAVE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, RATE SCHEDULES TO PUT INTO PLACE. BUT, UH, THOSE NUMBERS INCORPORATE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE SEWER SIDE. BUT BASICALLY WHAT THAT SHOWS IS THAT SOMEONE WHO USES MORE WASTE OR LESS WASTE DOESN'T GET CHARGED INAPPROPRIATELY. IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT THAT SHOWS? WELL, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH, NO, YOU'RE DOWN TO THE DETAIL. YEAH. I MEAN YOUR, YOUR RATES RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT, UM, AND THIS IS THE SEWER, BUT WE, THE WATER IS SIMILAR STRUCTURE, BUT, SO YOU'VE GOT A, A BASE CHARGE, A MINIMUM BILL THAT INCLUDES 2000 GALLONS. SO AFTER THEY EXCEED THAT, UH, UP TO 10, BETWEEN TWO AND 10, THERE'S UM, THE VOLUMETRIC RATE AND THEN ANYTHING OVER 10 IS A LITTLE HIGHER VOLUMETRIC RATE. AND THAT'S DRIVEN OFF THE WATER METER. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT DRIVEN OFF THE WATER METER. YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY. SO, UM, OKAY, SO FOR OUR DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS, LIKE OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE ARE ON BRENTWOOD WATER, WE'RE ON HARPER VALLEY WATER, BRENTWOOD SEWER, BRENTWOOD SEWER, UM, ARE MOST PEOPLE ON BRENTWOOD SEWER? WE'VE GOT A HANDFUL THAT THAT GOES TO NOLANSVILLE SEWER AND A HANDFUL. [02:10:01] IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NO NOLANSVILLE WATER, WATER. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME. TO WHERE, WHICH METRO NOLANSVILLE WATER. METRO SEWER. OKAY. OKAY. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M, IF WE'VE BEEN USING YOUR SEWER RATE IS BASED ON YOUR WATER CONSUMPTION AND WE'RE INCREASING IT, ARE WE JUST STILL INCREASING THE RATE BASED ON YOUR WATER, WATER CONSUMPTION DOUBLING BASED ON YOUR WATER CONSUMPTION, NO MATTER WHO YOU'RE PURCHASING? SO IN YOUR CASE, WE GET YOUR WATER READINGS FROM HARBERT VALLEY. RIGHT. AND WE USE THAT TO CALCULATE YOUR SEWER BILL. SO YOUR WATER RATES WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO HERE. RIGHT. BUT YOUR SEWER RATES WILL. RIGHT. BUT OKAY. BUT FOR THOSE CUSTOMERS, UM, THAT ARE BOTH WATER AND SEWER FOR THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, THAT'S YEAH. REALLY WHO WE'RE FOCUSED ON, THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE CUSTOMER BASE. SO HERE ARE THE ADJUSTED FINANCIAL ME METRICS WITH THE, UM, ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO WE'RE STILL TAPPING INTO CASH 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY ON, ON YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAINTAIN ABOVE THAT, UH, BLACK LINE. SO THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KEEP AN EYE ON FROM YEAR TO YEAR. I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIRE US TO DO IT, KEEP AN EYE ON IT INTERNALLY. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU START SEEING CAPITAL COSTS GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE CIP ANTICIPATES, THEN YOU'RE HAVING TO HIT YOUR CASH FLOW HARDER. MAYBE ADDITIONAL ADJUST ADJUSTMENTS ARE NEEDED BEFORE THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. BUT, UM, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT GOOD FINANCIAL STAFF, SO, UH, YOU'LL KEEP, UH, KEEP AWARE OF THAT. SO WHEN WE DO A CHANGE LIKE THAT, DO WE TYPICALLY SEE PEOPLE USE LESS WHEN THE PRICE GOES UP? AND COULD THAT AFFECT THIS MODEL? OR HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT? WELL, FOR, I, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THAT IN TWO WAYS. UM, TWO AND A HALF AND 5% ADJUSTMENTS ARE PRETTY MINIMAL. OKAY. AND ESPECIALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOWADAYS, UM, YOU'RE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY VERY MANAGEABLE ADJUSTMENTS. A AND, AND I MEAN, BRENT WOULD BE IN A RELATIVELY AFFLUENT AREA AS WELL. UH, TYPICALLY THE, THE WATER AND SEWER BILL FOR MOST OF YOUR CUSTOMERS IS NOT REALLY A BIG PART OF THEIR BIG PERCENTAGE OF THEIR MONTHLY EXPENDITURES. SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE BARELY NOTICEABLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. I WOULD THINK SO. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE QUANTITY OF WATER USED IS PRETTY INELASTIC. SO YOU DON'T THINK THIS WOULD TRIGGER CHANGING? I, I, I WOULD EXPECT WITH, WITH THESE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, IT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE YEAH. I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY, I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANY ELASTICITY EFFECTS. IS THAT TRUE TO Y'ALL'S EXPERIENCE AS WELL? YEAH. AND AGAIN, TRADITIONALLY NOT SEEING YEAH. CUSTOMERS ADJUST BILLS BASED ON THESE INCREASES. YEAH. AND PARTICULARLY A FEW YEARS AGO, WE WENT FROM THE JUST FLAT RATE STRUCTURE TO THE ASCENDING RATE STRUCTURE TO WHERE YOU, AS YOU USE MORE, YOU GET CHARGED MORE. THAT THAT THIRD TIER, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE BIG CHANGE, WAS IT, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CHANGE. YEAH. AND, AND WE ALL KIND OF EXPECTED TO SEE A DROP IN USAGE AND WE NEVER REALLY DID. YEAH. UM, OVERALL, AND KEEP IN MIND THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEPARATE IRRIGATION METERS MM-HMM . THAT METER READING DOESN'T GO TO THEIR SEWER BILL CALCULATION. RIGHT. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THEY'LL SEE THE WATER IMPACT, BUT NOT A SEWER IMPACT. RIGHT. FOR THEIR IRRIGATION USAGE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, SO BACK TO THE COVERAGES, YOU CAN SEE, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BELOW OUR TARGET. WE'RE, UH, UH, ABOVE, UM, PROBABLY YOUR, YOUR REQUIRED TARGET INTERNALLY, BUT IT'S, IT'S RAMPING UP THE RIGHT DIRECTION MM-HMM . AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN'T DO. UH, SAME THING ON PRETTY MUCH IS JUST WITH THE TAP FEES INCLUDED WITHOUT THE TAP FEES FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT. AND WE, WE DO LIKE TO SEE THAT UPWARD TREND. SO THIS IS WHAT A TYPICAL BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A CUSTOMER. I, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE WAY MORE THAN 6,000 A MONTH, BUT ON A, A KIND OF, YOUR TYPICAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT 6,000 GALLONS PER MONTH. SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN ADOPTED. THAT'S WITH THE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT BOTH FOR WATER AND SEWER. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, WHICH IS THE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT WATER, 5% SEWER. AND THEN, UH, SO, SO THIS IS THE INCREASE FROM, UH, FROM THAT TO THAT. SO THEY, THEY WERE ALREADY EXPECTING, I DON'T KNOW IF CUSTOMERS WERE EXPECTING YOU WERE EXPECTING THIS AND NOW IT'LL LOOK LIKE THIS, AND THEN WE WILL GO UP, UH, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, A FEW BUCKS A MONTH FOR THAT TYPICAL CUSTOMER, AND THEN IT'LL BACK BACK DOWN TO 2.5% OUT HERE. IS THAT TYPICAL FOR THE INDUSTRY OR TYPICAL FOR BRENTWOOD? TYPICAL FOR BRENTWOOD, ACTUALLY, IT'S KIND OF TYPICAL FOR THE INDUSTRY TOO. WE TYPICALLY SEE, UH, RANGES FROM FOUR TO 7,000 AS LIKE A, A SYSTEM WIDE AVERAGE [02:15:01] FOR, FOR WATER. SO, SO BRENTWOOD DOESN'T CONSUME WATER, GENERALLY SPEAKING AT A HIGHER RATE THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES? NOT, NOT SYSTEMWIDE. I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE SOME BIG ESTATES OUT HERE YEAH. THAT, UH, USE WAY MORE WATER THAN SUPER USERS, I GUESS. BUT, UM, BUT YEAH. ON THE SYSTEMWIDE AVERAGE HERE, YOU BEING, SO PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF YOUR, UH, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER BASE, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF THE MAJORITY OF, OF OF YOUR CUSTOMER'S, PERIOD, IS YOUR RESIDENTIAL, UH, WOULD, WOULD FALL SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN THAT FOUR TO SEVEN RANGE. SO TYPICAL WOULD BE ABOUT SIX. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE, THERE'S THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RAMP UP WHERE WE'RE GOING UP 5% AND THEN IT KIND OF SMOOTHS BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT THERE. YES, MA'AM. AND IT'S BARRING ANY UNFORESEEN ISSUES OR MAJOR INFLATION ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS, DO YOU SEE THAT LEVELING BACK OFF AND STAYING AROUND THE 1 0 5, 1 0 6? I, I, I WOULD THINK YOU'D PROBABLY KEEP ADJUSTING AT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT A YEAR TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATIONARY IMPACTS. SO IT WOULD STILL KEEP GOING. JUST NOT AS STEEP OF A, NOT AS STEEP. EXACTLY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO HERE'S WHERE YOU ARE IN, IN COMPARISON TO OTHER UTILITIES IN THE AREA. UH, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BELOW THE, THE AVERAGE OF THIS GROUP AND, UH, YOU'RE, UH, BASICALLY KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK. UH, SO WHEN WE MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, SO HERE YOU ARE EXISTING HERE, YOU ARE PROPOSED, YOU'RE NOT EVEN JUMPING OVER YOUR NEXT CLOSEST, UH, COMPARISON GROUP, UM, OR COMPARISON, UH, ENTITY, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, CITY OF FRANKLIN. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A GOOD SPOT TO BE IN. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA BE THE HIGHEST, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA BE THE LOWEST BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK IS IN ACTUALLY KIND OF A GOOD SPOT. AND CHANCES ARE, UM, MOST, IF, IF NOT ALL OF THESE OTHERS, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CITY IN THE, THE MORE MUNICIPAL TYPE SYSTEMS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA RAISE THEIR RATES JULY ONE ANYWAY TOO, OR WHATEVER THEIR FISCAL YEAR IS. SO CHANCES ARE YOU'RE STILL JUST GONNA STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK OR EVEN BACK SOME. CHRIS, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD SPRINGFIELD BE SO MUCH MORE? IS THERE SOMETHING HIDDEN THERE? OR, I KNOW THEY'VE HAD EXTENSIVE WASTEWATER ISSUES AND THEY'VE HAD REPEATED ORDERS FROM THE STATE. I KNOW OVER THE YEARS, WHICH I ASSUME THEY'VE CAUSED AN ISSUE. A LOT OF DEBT SERVICE WOW. ON REHAB AND STUFF. KICKING THE CAN. IT COULD BE KICKING THE CAN. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IF YOU DO KICK THE CAN, THEN YOU GET A BIG JUMP. YEAH. OR HERE AGAIN, I MEAN IF THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, WATER TREATMENT OR TREATMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT, BUT, UM, THAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND, AND, AND A LOT OF WHAT'S DRIVING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUTS, YOU KNOW, STRICTER MORE STRICT REGULATIONS ON TREATMENT PROCESSES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND SO THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE OR, OR EXPAND AND IT'S GOT VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WITH THAT, OUR FINAL CONSIDERATIONS, YOU SAW THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME RELATIVELY SIZABLE CAPITAL COSTS, BUT IT'S MORE SO THAT, THAT, THAT THE NEW DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS HAVE MOVED A LITTLE CLOSER THAN, UH, THAN OUR LAST STUDY ANTICIPATED RISING COSTS. WE TALKED ABOUT BOTH PERSONNEL AND OPERATING. AND SO THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL RATE ADJUSTMENT ON THE SEWER IS REALLY JUST NEEDED TO KIND OF MEET THE CO COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, OUR DAYS' CASH ON HAND NEEDS. SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, LAST SLIDE IS JUST OUR DISCLOSURE, , THIS BULL ADVISOR. SO, UH, SO AGAIN, THE PLAN OF THIS WOULD BE, UH, WE GENERALLY DO OUR RATES WITH THE JULY BILLS THAT ARE SENT OUT. AUGUST 1ST, I THINK IS THE WAY WE DO IT. SO JUST AS PART OF THE BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS, MAY OR JUNE, WE WOULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE, UH, TO MAKE THESE RATE ADJUSTMENTS EFFECTIVE WITH THE, UH, AUGUST BILLING. SO NOTHING RIGHT AWAY ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT COMING UP. OKAY. GOOD PRESENTATION. WELL, THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE THE BENEFIT OF A, UH, A LONGER MEETING QUESTION. WELL, I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, THANKS TO STAFF. OKAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE IMPORTANT THANKS TO STAFF AND CHRIS FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT A SPOT WHERE WE'RE NOT IN OTHER, UH, A LESS FAVORABLE POSITION. UM, AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRAINING PEOPLE TO COME BEHIND YOU TO KEEP THAT GOING, UM, FOR THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU. AND I WOULD GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO DAVID LINSCOMB DOWNSTAIRS IN FINANCE, WHO STILL KIND OF OVERSEES THE BIG PICTURE OF WATER SEWER BILLING WHO PULLS ALL THIS DATA YEAH. FOR THEM TO, TO WORK WITH. SO WELL, AND TWO, I MEAN, I GOTTA SAY, AND THIS IS NOT BROWN NOSING, , YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AMAZING HAVING WORKED FOR OTHER DISTRICTS AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALLOWED STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THESE INCREASES FOR US TO BE PRETTY [02:20:01] AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR MASTER PLANS AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR DELAYS OF THE WORLD, UH, REHABBED IN ALL NEW FACILITIES. AND SO IT MAKES THESE DISCUSSIONS GO A LOT SMOOTHER, A LOT EASIER THAN, THAN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES. SO APPRECIATE THAT. FOR SURE. AND AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, I, I'LL SECOND YOU GIVING YOUR STAFF A PAT ON THE BACK 'CAUSE THEY HELPED US IN THIS PROJECT. KIND OF, IT'S, IT, IT, BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE DATA. IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, WEB CONFERENCE CALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WE GET A LOT OF INPUT. I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T GO AS SMOOTHLY AS THIS, LET'S SAY . AND, AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO, AS CHRIS SAID, THE COMMISSION, THE PHILOSOPHY. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOME CRAZY LITTLE NUANCES AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, JUST KIND, LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE, EASY TO EXPLAIN . UH, BUT AS HE SAID, WE'VE GOT, OR AS YOU POINT OUT, WE'VE GOT THESE LITTLE SYSTEM THINGS WHERE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE PUT MORE ON THE WATER TO KIND OF HELP SEWER, WELL THEN THE BRENTWOOD WATER CUSTOMERS ARE SUBSIDIZING YOU AS A SEWER ONLY CUSTOMER. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEP, YEP. AND WE DON'T LIKE THOSE IDEAS IS CRAZY ACTUALLY. YEAH. , WELL, JUST IN TERMS OF THE RATE STRUCTURE, YOU COULD ADD A FOOD TIER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND WE JUST, I'M JUST, JUST KIDDING YOU. WHEN WE DID ALL THAT, AND YOU AND THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME BOUGHT INTO THAT PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUMP UP TO THAT THIRD TIER, PART OF THAT MESSAGE WAS KEEP IT SIMPLE, KEEP IT EASILY EXPLAINED AND UNDERSTANDABLE. AND SO THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE CARRIED THAT FORWARD. WELL, THANK YOU ALL AND I APPRECIATE YOU DO HANG IT IN THERE FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS. UM, UH, JUST A, UH, A REMINDER, UM, NOT HEARING, UH, ANY, UH, PUSHBACK, UM, RELATED TO, UH, BRETT, UH, OUR RECRUITER. UM, UH, I ASKED HOLLY TO GO AHEAD AND UH, AND PUBLISH, UH, SO WE COULD GET THE, UH, MEETING NOTICE OUT. UH, BUT JANUARY 16TH, SO NEXT THURSDAY, A WEEK FROM, UH, TODAY AT, UH, NINE O'CLOCK, UH, RIGHT HERE. NINE O'CLOCK. ASSUME THIS ROOM'S AVAILABLE. THIS ROOM. YEAH, SAME THING. I THINK BEFORE. WE'LL VIDEO BUT NOT LIVE STREAM. IS THAT WHAT WE DID BEFORE? I THINK YEAH. MAKE SURE THAT GETS COOL. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU. OH, KIRK, WHAT ARE WE GONNA HEAR ABOUT FROM THE RFPS FOR THE INDOOR RACK FACILITY? SO WE'LL HAVE A, A COMPANY COME NEXT WEEK, NEXT MEETING, NEXT MEETING. OKAY. THE ONE, AND I'LL SEND YOU THEIR PROPOSAL, UH, AHEAD OF TIME SO WE COULD REVIEW IT. YEAH, YEAH. HELP REVIEWING THIS PROPOSAL WAS VERY HELPFUL, SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THAT. YEAH. IT'S, UM, WE HAD THREE, I THINK I TOLD YOU WE HAD THREE. YES. RIGHT. , UM, THE ONE WE ALL FELT WAS THE BEST COMPANY IS UNFORTUNATELY ALSO THE MOST EXPENSIVE, BUT MAYBE KIND OF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR TYPE OF THING. BUT THAT'S WHO'S COMING. SPORTS FACILITIES, UH, COMPANIES. OKAY. UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT RUN THE MORRISTOWN FACILITY AND THE, UH, WE'RE STILL RUNNING ROCKY TOP AT UH, UM, AND I'VE JUST ASKED THEM TO COME, NOT LIKE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL STILL NEED TO JUST FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND HOW THAT WORKS AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM . AND THEN FROM THAT, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL MAKE A DECISION. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING WITH THEM. THIS ISN'T A, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CONTRACT ON THE NEXT AGENDA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION FROM A COMPANY THAT WE THINK WOULD BE THE ONE WE WOULD RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD. AND, AND JUST KEEP IN MIND FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, UM, ASSUMING THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD ON, ON THE SCHEDULE, YOU'D BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED, DONE BY, YOU KNOW, MAY OR JUNE OR SO, AND THEN YOU'RE BIDDING AND STARTING. BUT ALL THESE FIRMS YOU WOULD HAVE UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY WOULD BE WHAT THEY CALL THEIR PRE-OPENING SERVICES. SO YOU WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IN YOUR 26 BUDGET AND, AND OPERATING EXPENSES FOR THE RACKET FACILITY BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY OPENED. AND HOW DO WE FUND THOSE? AND WE GOTTA TALK WITH FINANCE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE SET UP A SEPARATE FUND? AND THAT KIND OF, SO THERE'S SOME MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'LL BE FINANCIAL BUDGETARY IMPACTS OPERATING WISE, UH, IF YOU GO WITH A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND CONCEIVABLY, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T, 'CAUSE IF WE WERE GONNA RUN IT IN-HOUSE, WE'D BE HIRING SOME STAFF BY SPRING OF NEXT YEAR TOO. ANYWAY. SO WAS AT THAT ASPECT. AND SOME PEOPLE MAY WANNA, WE MAY DECIDE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY IS IF PEOPLE WANTED TO PRE-PURCHASE THOSE MEMBERSHIPS OR WHATEVER. YEAH. BUT YOU GOTTA DO MONTHS OUT, GOTTA DO IT ONCE, BUT YOU GOTTA GET TO THE POINT OF WHAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF IT ALL TO BE ABLE TO MARKET SOMETHING A FEW MONTHS OUT. YEAH. RIGHT. QUESTIONS AND DECISIONS TO BE MADE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF Y'ALL ARE HEADING WEST ON OHB, BUT IF YOU ARE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT WRECK AND IT IS SHUT DOWN. SO YOU CAN'T GET TO FROM, THAT'S WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE WOULD GET TO RICK'S FUNERAL WHERE, I DON'T KNOW. SO DON'T GO OHB GO MURRAY LANE. FRONT SCALES. YEAH. OAK SCALES TO GRAN AND THEN, OH, IT'S IN THAT BETWEEN HERE AND HILLSBORO, IT CALLED HB BETWEEN [02:25:01] DERBY GLEN AND WILDWOOD. OKAY. SO YOU COULD GO SCALES, YOU COULD GET UP THE HILLSBOROUGH AND THEN GO YEAH. GO IN FRONT A SCALE, TAKE THE PRETTY DRIVE-THROUGH SNEED AND HEAD OUT A HUNDRED. THAT WAY YOUR GPS WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO GO. AND IT MIGHT BE OPEN, BUT IT'S NOT KIM'S OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.