* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing December 5, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the December 9th Agendas, the below item will be discussed: Finalization of Letter to Williamson County Election Commission regarding May 6, 2025 Election This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.] [00:00:07] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. ALL RIGHT. UM, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AGENDA. WE TRIED TO GET IT ALL ON CONSENT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING OF CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE TO LEAVE. OH MY GOSH, WE'RE STILL HERE, WITH THIS SUNDAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW. I'M, I, I'VE MISREAD SOMETHING HERE. I JUST WANNA SAY, DO WE WANT TO MOVE THE VOTING THING UP FIRST SO WE'RE ALL HERE FOR THAT? NO, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TIME. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. OBVIOUSLY, NO, NO PRE-MEETINGS OR ANYTHING. UM, JUST NOTE THAT YOU'LL HAVE THE TWO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ONE FROM YOUR SPECIAL MEETING, AND THEN ONE FROM YOUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING. UH, FIRST ITEM IS JUST, UH, AUTHORIZING OUR APPLICATION, WHICH WE ALREADY HAD TO DO, 'CAUSE OF A DEADLINE FOR, UH, THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY BLOCK GRANT THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US. WHAT IS IT? J 76,000, ALMOST 77,000 YES. THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE DIRECTLY TOWARDS REPLACEMENT OF HVAC UNITS. IT'S ALL AT THE SERVICE CENTER? UH, NO, WE'RE AT, UH, STATION FOUR AS WELL AS THE SERVICE CENTER. AND THIS IS LIKE A FORMULA GRANT. IT'S NOT A COMPETITIVE THING. SO THIS MONEY IS OURS FOR THE CLAIMING, SO TO SPEAK. AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE SUPER STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME. YEAH. THE, THE VOUCHER PROGRAM WAS BILLED AS THE, YOU CAN GO THAT, OR THE GRANT AND THE VOUCHER'S THE EASY ONE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE DAVIS BANKING COMPLIANCE. YOU HAVE EPA REPORTING, YOU HAVE A TON OF PAPERWORK JUST TO TAKE $76,000 TO REPLACE AN HPAC UNITS. IT'S GOING TO BE HOURS NOW. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT THIS IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S VERSION OF SIMPLIFIED, BUT STILL WORTH IT FOR GUARANTEED MONEY. BUT NO, ANYTHING ON OBLIGATION ON OUR PART OTHER THAN THE PAPERWORK. THERE'S NOTHING WE HAVE TO INTO. OKAY. WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO OTHER STRINGS INTO OTHER PROGRAMS OR ANYTHING ELSE. WHAT IS THE AGE OF THOSE UNITS? DO YOU KNOW? 15 PLUS. OKAY. OH, WOW. THEY'RE WAY OVER HERE. OKAY. UH, ITEM TWO IS A, I GUESS WE, THEY'RE CALLING IT A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH PDOT TO, UH, DO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK ASSOCIATED WITH OUR CM A C GRANT, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UH, RED TAPE IS BUREAUCRACY. THIS GRANT WAS AWARDED, I THINK, IN ERIC 2020, 21, 20 19. MM-HMM . UM, AND WE HAVE YET TO INSTALL A SIGNAL HEAD OR TURN A SHOVEL OF DIRT. BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE'RE DOING A VARIETY OF THINGS. UH, UPDATING SIGNAL TIMINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UPDATING PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, UH, EQUIPMENT, AND DOING A DA RAMPS, UH, WHERE TDOT HASN'T ALREADY COME AND DONE SOME SINCE THEN. AND SINCE SOME OF THAT WORK IS IN TDOT RIGHT AWAY, THIS IS JUST A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT AUTHORIZES US TO GO IN AND DO WORK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. IS THAT THE SIMPLEST VERSION OF IT? YES. NO EXPENSE TO US. UH, BUT JUST THAT KIND OF PAPERWORK TO AUTHORIZE OUR ACCESS OF THEIR RIGHT OF WAY INSTALLATION FOR THIS. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. FOR THIS AGREEMENT, OBVIOUSLY THE GRANT ITSELF HAS COST ASSOCIATED. NO, I, I NOTICED IN THE PAPERWORK THAT THERE'S INSTALLATION OF NEW VIDEO EQUIPMENT. MAYBE I NEED TO ASK Y'ALL. UM, IS IT JUST AN UPDATED, UPDATED CAMERAS OR, YES. YEAH. UPDATED CAMERAS AND EQUIPMENT. BUT I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT UPDATES HAVE BEEN FOREGONE BECAUSE, UH, MARTIN DOESN'T NEED THOSE. HE, HE KEEPS A GOOD HANDLE ON THE, THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT. SO TODD, YOU MAY KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THAN ME, BUT YES, VIDEO DETECTION, UH, SIGNAL TIMING, UPGRADES, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, VIDEO, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, SIGNALS, RAMPS, UH, TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE ARE A DA COMPLIANT. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, UM, COLLECTION OF DATA, WITH THE, UM, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE AND ALL THAT, THAT DATA WILL STILL BE OUR PROPRIETARY DATA. WE'RE NOT SHARING IT WITH ANYONE. WE'RE NOT FEEDING. IT MEANS YES, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. UM, IT, I THINK IT'S ALL SIGNAL TIMING DATA. IT'S NOT JUST YOUR MO IT SAYS NEW VIDEO EQUIPMENT. SO VIDEO DETECTION, VIDEO DETECTION, THAT DETECTS IT. THE CAR IS IN THE LEFT LANE, SO IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE LEFT TURN AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO NOT, NOT OUR GENERAL READERS. RIGHT. BECAUSE THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT THAT IS OUR DATA, CORRECT? WE HAVE YOU FORCED TO SHARE THAT WITH ANY, ANYONE, OR KNOW THAT IT'S RECORDED? IS IT, I DON'T THINK IT HAS VERY LONG SHELF LIFE IF IT'S RECORDED. OKAY. THEY DON'T. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES, THE SD CARDS, RIGHT? THEY'RE [00:05:01] A OVER VARIETY DIFF DIFFERENT FROM THE CTV. YEAH. IT'S COMPLETELY THESE ONE. THIS IS JUST, IT IS CONNECT VIEWABLE FROM THE TRAFFIC OPERATION CENTER. THEY CAN SEE IF THERE'S A CAR IN THE DETECTION LOOP, AND WE CAN ADJUST THE DETECTION LOOP ACCORDINGLY. BUT I DON'T, I, TO KIRK'S POINT, I DON'T THINK IT'S RECORDED. AND IF IT IS, IT'S NOT, NOT VERY LONG AT ALL. UH, IS IT, IT'S, UM, COMPARISON. SO IT'S LOOKING, UH, AT BLANK. UM, AND THEN A, A VEHICLE, IT'S REALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THE STOP BAR. YEP. UM, AT THE INTERSECTIONS TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S A CAR WAITING TO CUE THE LIGHT. YEAH. CAN'T TELL WHAT KIND OF CAR AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING AT IT, BUT, UH, IT'S A PIXEL COMPARISON, RIGHT. YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE SAYING BLANK VERSUS, UH, OBJECT PRESENT. YOU, IT IS ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, TODD, I DON'T MEAN TO HELP YOU OUT HERE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY VIDEO. YES, IT IS VIDEO. AND, UH, THE, IF YOU HAVE AN IPHONE CAMERA, YOU'LL NOTICE HOW IT, IT CAN LOCATE THE HEAD IN A PHOTO. THIS IS WHAT THIS CAMERA DOES. IT LOCATES THE CAR. IT CAN COUNT HOW MANY CARS ARE IN THE QUEUE, THE VIDEO CAMERA, CAMERA AS FAR AS, UH, SENDING THAT ANYWHERE OR RECORDING THAT, OR DETERMINING WHAT TYPE OF CAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO. THAT, THAT'S NOT, AND TO CLARIFY, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL IT'S A BLUE SUV OR EVEN A NISSAN, FOR INSTANCE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE FACES BEHIND THE DRIVER'S WHEEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT THAT, UH, DEFINED. COOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH, UH, TDOT, JUST AS A TANGENTIAL ISSUE, I KNOW WE TALKED EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT TDOT AND MOORES LANE, AND YOU HAD THE, THE LETTER THAT YOU SHARED WITH US ABOUT THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME BACK UP IN TERMS OF IMPROVEMENTS AT THE MOORES LANE? YOUR CHANCE TDOT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT. THEY'LL COME OUT WITH THEIR UPDATED 10 YEAR PLAN HERE SOMETIME. AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROJECT MAKES IT ON, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT, WE KNOW WHEN THAT IS. YEAH. SO IT'S, UM, SARAH, CATHERINE AND I ARE DOING A BIT OF INVESTIGATION INTO THAT BECAUSE IT DID SHOW UP. FUNDING SHOWED UP FOR THE PROJECT, SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDING SHOWED UP FOR THE PROJECT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, 26 OR 27 BUDGET FOR THE TIP. BUT IT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE JUST ROLLING THAT OVER AS THEY GO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS RECALL, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, HAD LIKE 12 OR 15 MEMBERS OF TDOT ON SITE, AND WE WALKED AROUND, TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS EAST AND WEST OF THE BRIDGE, WHAT COULD BE DONE TO THE BRIDGE. BUT SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT FROM TDOT ON THAT PROJECT. SO, BUT I THINK THE DEADLINE FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR, I FORGET WHAT THE PUBLIC OR THE LOCAL PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM OR WHATEVER THAT WAS WITH IF WE WERE GONNA PUT OUR OWN MONEY IN. YEAH. BUT TDI WILL COME UP WITH THEIR NEW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IT USED TO BE THE THREE YEAR PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOW A 10 YEAR PLAN, SOMETIME THIS SPRING. AND THAT TELLS YOU IF YOU'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE, PLANNING HORIZON. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, ITEM THREE IS AN AMENDMENT TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH VANDERBILT HEALTH TO DO A STRESS TEST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, PHYSICALS. MOST OF THOSE PHYSICALS ARE COMPLETED DOWN AT PREMISE, BUT THE TREADMILL STRESS TEST, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THERE. SO WE HAVE A, A SEPARATE DEAL WITH VANDERBILT WHO WILL TAKE THE, UH, REFERRAL FROM PREMISE AND DO THOSE TESTS FOR US. $400 A TEST. UH, THE COST IS EXPECTED, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR WOULD BE $16,000. IT IT UPS AND DOWNS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES SCHEDULED FOR PHYSICALS EACH YEAR. I OFTEN , WELL, POLICE AND FIRE, GET A PHYSICAL SWORN POLICE AND FIRE GET A PHYSICAL EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. THE STRESS TESTS. AND APRIL'S NOT HERE. SHE'S SICK. I BELIEVE IT'S A BASELINE TEST WHEN THEY'RE FIRST HIRED. IT MAY BE EVERY THREE YEARS FOR FIRE. AND THEN POLICE, I THINK IT'S ONLY MAYBE AS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY POLICE HERE EITHER, AS MIGHT BE INDICATED FROM THEIR PHYSICAL EXAM. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM EVERY YEAR. OKAY. UH, FOUR IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY IN TERMS OF HOW FUNDING COMES TO THE CITY FOR THEIR PROGRAMMING SUPPORT. WE HAVE REPS FROM THE FRIENDS HERE, I'LL LET JAY TALK ABOUT IT. IT COMES TO YOU FROM APPROVED BY THE LIBRARY BOARD. SO, UM, BUT I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE HERE. YEAH. COMMISSIONERS, AS I NOTE IN THE AGENDA MEMO, FOR 48 YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN HELPING TO FUND THE, FROM THE LIBRARY. AND THEY, THEY DO MOST OF THEIR FUNDRAISING THROUGH THE BOOK SALES, UH, THE BOOKS THAT ARE [00:10:01] SURPLUS AND LIBRARY, THEY HAVE BETTER MEANS THROUGH THEIR VOLUNTEERS TO DISPOSE OF BOOKS. AND THAT REVENUE WINDS UP COMING BACK TO THE CITY THROUGH THE FUNDING THAT THEY PROVIDE. AND INTERESTINGLY, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALL THESE YEARS, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS AND, AND NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT. IT'S JUST KIND OF THE WAY THEY'VE OPERATED AS A NONPROFIT SUPPORTING OUR LIBRARY. AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THIS SUMMER WITH THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, APRIL AND MYSELF STEPPING IN AND TAKING A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN THE LIBRARY. WE LEARNED ABOUT THE, THE PROCESS THAT STAFF WAS USING AND THAT, THAT THE FRIENDS WERE USING AND THAT INVOLVED THE CITY'S USE OF THEIR CREDIT CARD TO GO AND BUY THINGS FOR PROGRAMMING. THERE WAS A LOT OF RECEIPTS AND A LOT OF PAPERWORK ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND FOR MS. PAT WEBB AS A VOLUNTEER FOR THE FRIENDS, WAS TRYING TO RECONCILE ALL OF THIS. AND WE WERE TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CREDIT CARD, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MISUSED, AND WE GET ALL THE RECEIPTS. AND THAT KIND OF UNNERVED ME A LITTLE BIT. JUST NUMBER ONE, US HAVING USE OF SOMEONE ELSE'S CREDIT CARD. AND NUMBER TWO, REALIZING THE SORT OF MAYBE INEFFICIENCY AND WAS THERE NOT A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS? SO WE SAT DOWN AND, UH, BOTH TRISH ALLISON AND BRIDGET VAN STEIN ARE HERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. BUT WE SAT DOWN WITH CINDY FRANKLIN AS WELL. THEY HAD A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, UM, BUT TALKED ABOUT CAN WE DO THIS MORE LIKE BLOCK GRANTS THAN FUNDING INDIVIDUAL PURCHASES, MAYBE LARGER BLOCK GRANTS, $25,000 TWICE A YEAR, A TOTAL OF $50,000. YOU'VE BEEN FUNDING PROGRAMMING, CONTINUE TO FUND PROGRAMMING. AS WE TALKED THROUGH WHAT THEY THOUGHT LIKE THEY SHOULD BE FUNDING, THEY REALLY LIKE TO KEEP, IT WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT LIMITED TO, TO PROGRAMMING MAYBE A FEW SPECIAL PROJECTS HERE AND THERE. AND THEN CAPITAL. SO THEY LIKE TO DO THE BIGGER PROJECTS TOO, BUT THE PROGRAMMING IS WHERE THEY GET A LOT OF THEIR MARKETING VALUE TO THEIR MEMBERS. AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS DRAFT, MOU, THAT OF COURSE IT'S NON-BINDING, BUT IT OUTLINES GENERALLY HOW WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO PROCEED. UM, IT DOES PROVIDE FOR THE TWO $25,000 INSTALLMENTS, WHICH IS A 15,200 INCREASE FOR THE PROGRAMMING SIDE. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY WOULD NOT FUND ANYMORE, WHICH I OUTLINED ON THE BACK PAGE, WHICH ARE STAFF DEVELOPMENT, DAY INVENTORY, DAY STAFF CONFERENCES, LIBRARY EQUIPMENT, LOW FORGE EXPENSES. THAT'S ABOUT $17,750. AND THAT KIND OF FELT LIKE THAT'S STUFF THAT MAYBE THE LI THE CITY SHOULD BE FUNDING THOSE THINGS FOR LIBRARY STAFF MORE. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT WITH PROGRAMMING AND CAPITAL AS I, AS I DISCUSSED. SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPERATING IMPACT TO THE CITY OF THIS CHANGE. UH, BUT WE WIND UP GETTING IT BACK BECAUSE THE, THE FRIENDS DON'T DO REALLY ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE MONEY. UM, THEY HELP FUND OUR THING. SO WHETHER IT COMES BACK IN THE FORM OF CAPITAL OR SPECIAL PROJECTS LIKE THE CHARLIE CART THAT THEY FUNDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, SO THERE'S AN OPERATING IMPACT, BUT WE LIKELY WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT FUNDS BACK IN OTHER WAYS. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. AND, UH, TRICIA AND BRIDGET ARE HERE AS WELL. I, I, ONE, I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR CONFERENCES AND THINGS ANYMORE. I THINK THAT IS A CITY EXPENSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE LIBRARY GOT A GENERAL DONATION FROM THE HOLTS. UH, I THINK THEIR PROJECTS ARE WONDERFUL AND THAT, AND PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY 'EM. AND THAT'S WHAT THE FRIENDS ARE FOR. DOES THIS PUT ANY PRESSURE ON THEM? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, DURING THE TIME WHEN WE HAD COVID, IF THEY HAD COMMITTED TO A BLOCKED GRANT AND THEY COULDN'T HAVE FOOT SALES OR WHATEVERS, HOW FLEXIBLE IS THIS? IF THEY CAN'T MEET THAT GOAL? WELL, OUR EXPENSES WOULD'VE GONE DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU WILL. LIKE, IF THEY, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE LIBRARY'S NOT HAVING PROGRAMMING, THEN OUR EXPENSES GO DOWN AND A LITTLE BIT OF A TRADE OFF THERE. UM, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO FUND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING. UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY OBLIGATED. IT'S A NON-BINDING, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND KINDA MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT. IT'S NOT A CONTRACT. I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE, OH MY GOSH, BECAUSE I, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THIS. 'CAUSE ON THE HISTORIC BOARD, LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY SAID THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. THEY SAID, SHOULD WE FUND IT? AND I SAID, NO, IT'S IN A CITY PARK. THE PARKS THAT WOULD BE, AND IN THE CITY BUDGET, JUST BECAUSE IT LEADS TO A HISTORIC SITE DOESN'T MEAN THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS TO RUN OUT AND RAISE MONEY. I MEAN, THE PARK BOARD DOESN'T RAISE MONEY TO, TO DO THINGS ON THE PARK. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEPEND ON THE FRIENDS FOR ANYTHING BEYOND THEIR PROJECTS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT FINANCIALLY AT LEAST. SO, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE FRIENDS WEREN'T HERE TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR PROGRAMMING, WOULD THE CITY BE DOING THAT? PROBABLY WOULD. YES. BUT WITH, WITH THE, ESPECIALLY THE ADDITIONAL MONEY WE'RE GETTING THE, THEY SUPPLEMENT IT AND IT'S THEIR WAY OF PLUGGING IN AND JUST SUPPORTING OUR LIBRARY. AND THIS IS WHERE THEY GET THE MOST MARKETING VALUE. IT'S AND MORE PROGRAMMING THAN WE'D [00:15:01] PROBABLY BE FUNDING TOO. YES, MA'AM. I MEAN, REALLY. MM-HMM . SO I THINK THIS IS GOOD. AND JAY, YOUR EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR THE GRANT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUTTING ON YOUR DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT DE EFFICIENCY HAT ON AND TAKING A LOOK AT HOW MUCH VOLUNTEER TIME WE SPEND CHASING RECEIPTS AND DOING ALL THAT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WILL MAKE THE VOLUNTEER JOB A LOT BETTER. IT'LL BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, ADDS SOME, SOME REAL BENEFITS AND SHOULD MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, JUST BETTER OVERALL IN TERMS OF HOW VOLUNTEER TIME CAN BE USED AND MAY LEAD TO OTHER ADVANTAGES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HARD TO MEASURE. AGREED. AND THEY ARE SOME OF THE HARDEST WORKING VOLUNTEERS I'VE EVER SEEN. UM, BUT, AND ESPECIALLY, UH, PAT AND DEB AND HER DAUGHTER WHO'S TAKEN OVER THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES, THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT THEY PUT IN DOING THAT TYPE OF WORK IS JUST AMAZING. AND I EXPECT, I'LL PROBABLY GET SOME CHRISTMAS COOKIES FROM PAT FOR THIS CHANGE. , YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE LOVED THE IDEA AND THEY, THEY REALLY SEEMED TO EMBRACE IT. SO THAT'S JUST TIME TO BAKE 'EM. YEAH. , AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS SEPARATE THAN THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THEY DO FOR THINGS LIKE, WE'RE GETTING ALL NEW CHAIRS AROUND THE V LITTLE TABLE THAT THE CHAIRS AROUND IT NOW ARE FALLING APART. THEY WEREN'T MEANT FOR THE CONSTANT USE THAT THEY'RE GETTING. AND SO THEY'RE GETTING ALL NEW CHAIRS. UM, SO THAT, HOW MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE MOVED IN THERE? THEY'VE, THEY'RE FUNDING THAT AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. THEY'RE GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. WE'VE SEEN 'EM AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S OUT ON TOP OF THIS. OH, THAT ONE, THAT ONE TIME THING. YES. AND THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER NUMBER OF OTHER RECURRING THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T MENTIONED IN HERE THAT THEY DO. AND THEY, THEY'LL ALWAYS CONTINUE. AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUDGET WASN'T REALLY PART OF OURS. UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER ANDREWS. UM, I SEE THIS AS A GREAT PROCESS IMPROVEMENT AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FROM A, A NEW CITY TO A MATURE CITY AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET TO THOSE PLACES. SO, UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS FOR THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. UH, ITEM FIVE, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. ANY , ANY COMMENTS OR NO, WE'RE HERE TO HELP. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THE MOU PART OF THIS. I'M DOING THE BLOCK GRANT. I THINK IT'LL HELP VOLUNTEER A LOT. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, ITEM FIVE IS A-O-S-R-D, I'M SORRY, RIP, UM, REVISED PLAN FOR THE CLO SUBDIVISION, WHICH I THINK IS IT, ARE THEY STILL THE ONLY ONE UNDER A RIP? UH, YES. YEAH. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS WHAT WE DID OUT ALONG OLD SMYRNA. BUT WE DID IT IN A WAY, KIND OF LIKE OSRD WHERE THEY MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THE OPEN SPACE. IT COMES BACK TO YOU, YOU, SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE MANY OSRD, YOU KNOW, REVISIONS THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE, THEY'RE CLOSE TO END, UH, END OF CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE. UM, SO THE REVISIONS AND TIED, YOU MAY HAVE TO STAND UP AND NOW RELATE TO THE ENTRANCE FEATURES, RIGHT? YEAH, SURE. UM, GATED ENTRY. DECORATIVE ENTRY. THAT'S THE SECOND IMAGE. UM, THE TOP IMAGE IS A, A POND VIEWING AREA, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE, YEAH, THERE WHERE THE GREEN POINTER IS. SO THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A, UM, A MALE, UH, KIOSK AREA THERE. AND THEN THE PUMP WATER PUMP HOUSE. YEAH. SO THIS IS OLD SMIRNA HERE, THE HIGH POINT HERE. SO IT'S A MI MINOR MODIFICATIONS OF SOME THINGS HERE. AND THEN THE WATER PUMP STATION. SO OBVIOUSLY CHRIS AND DREW ARE HERE. SO WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS VERY MUCH A HIGH POINT HERE. SO THERE'S A WATER BOOSTER STATION AT THE FRONT OF, WHAT IS THIS? THAT'S THE BUILDING SURROUNDING, YEAH, THE WATER PUMP STATION. THAT'S THE FANCIEST ONE I'VE EVER SEEN. SO, AND I, I CAN, CHRIS CAN DELVE, DIVE INTO THIS A LITTLE MORE IF NEED BE, BUT OTHER PLACES, LIKE AT WITHERSPOON, THE PUMP STATIONS HAVE, ARE UNDERGROUND. WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO CONTINUE DOING THAT FROM AN ACCESS, SAFETY, MAINTENANCE, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THERE'S TWO BLOOD IN THE LAST DECADE. YEAH, OF COURSE. SO FOR THIS ONE, WE, WE, WE REQUIRE THAT TO BE AN ABOVE GROUND PUMP. AND WHO MAINTAINS THIS? THE CITY OR IT'LL BECOME A CITY STRUCTURE. CITY, CITY WILL COME PAINT IT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEAH. SO THIS IS, THE PUMP HAS OBVIOUSLY A, A SELF-CONTAINED KIND OF UNIT INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY FOR WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FACILITY. UM, SO THEY'RE BUILDING THAT. UM, BUT IT BECOMES PART OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PUMP STATION. AND IT'LL BE LOCKED AND CITY WILL HAVE KEYS TO IT. YEAH. SO THERE'S LOCKS THERE. THIS IS A GENERATOR YARD. RIGHT, RIGHT. [00:20:01] AND, UM, WE LOCKED DOWN, WELL, KUDOS TO THEM. I THINK THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND IN DOING A NICE JOB ON THAT. UNLESS WE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND COMMISSIONER TRAVIS, OBVIOUSLY NOT HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT THE CITY WILL ASSUME MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE FACT THAT THE HOA WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN IT IN A WAY THAT KEEPS IT AESTHETICAL PLEA AND IT IS BUILT OUTTA MATERIALS THAT SHOULD BE, I MEAN IT'S HARDY, HARDY PLANK AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID AS PART OF THEIR EITHER CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR JUST TO COMMENT, WAS THAT WE, WE ENTER, ENTER INTO A LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY DOES ACCEPT I ONGOING MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS AND WILL MAINTAIN IT IN A, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAS THE MAILBOXES ALL OVER? YEAH. YEAH. ALL OVER. WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE. THEY'RE MOVING THEM FURTHER NOW AND MOVING IT. YEAH. SO HERE'S OLD SMYRNA, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS CLOSER TO OLD SMIRNA, WASN'T IT? I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW. WAS IT WHERE IT WAS SHOWN ORIGINALLY? DO YOU REMEMBER TODD? YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS CLOSER ORIGINALLY. I LIKE IT BETTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER. WELL, AND IT JUST POTENTIALLY BACKS UP TRAFFIC. I THINK OMAN IS HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH OH, HAVING IT RIGHT THERE AT THE GATE. MM-HMM . WITH THEM HAVING THE MAILBOX AREA RIGHT AT THE GATE. 'CAUSE THEN THEY'VE GOT RESIDENTS COMING IN AND IT'S STOPPINGS NOT ENOUGH ROOM INSTALLING TRASH. YEAH. AND THEY'RE ALL REQUIRED TO HAVE LIKE A SPACE OR TWO, BUT YEP. THAT DOESN'T, LOT OF PEOPLE WAIT TILL THEY COME HOME AND GOT A LOT AT THE SAME TIME. TIME THEY BACKING OUT THAT SPACE AND GOING. SO, AND JUST SO THE, THE WATER PUMP STATION IS THERE AND YOU NOTICE THE ACCESS TO IT IS OUTSIDE THE GATE, SO OUR FOLKS WON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT KIND STUFF. BEN, ARE WE PUTTING SOME PLANTS AROUND IT OR? THEY ARE. THEY ARE. OKAY. THEY'RE LANDSCAPING IT. YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE REWROTE THE SWIMMING POOL ORDINANCE. RIGHT. SO THE POOLS, UM, CAN BE ACTUALLY IN FOR ONE OF THE YEAH. THESE UPPER LOTS. MM-HMM. WHERE YOU, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE REAR YARD. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDING OF IT, BUT YEAH. SO YOU COULD HAVE MORE OR LESS YOUR AMENITY AREA OUT FRONT, LOOKING DOWN THE HILL AND ALL THAT. AND IT HAS TO BE ABOVE CERTAIN ELEVATION. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S LIMITED TO THE A RIP ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. YEAH. IN OUR PACKET, THE PRINTS, THE PRINT OFF DOESN'T CORRELATE WITH ALL THAT. SO IT'S PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE ERROR, WHICH IS FINE. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THE PACKET, WE DO GET, UM, THE FANCY BUILDING PICTURES, BUT WE DON'T GET ANY OF THAT IN THE PACKET. SO GUESSING IT WAS SIZE, FORMATTING, FORMATTING SIZE, THE WAY IT CAME IN, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. ONLINE. I DIDN'T LOOK ONLINE TO SEE IF IT WAS THERE OR NOT. THINK ONLINE. OKAY. IT'S IN THERE. I, SO, OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE IT ON MONDAY NIGHT UNANIMOUSLY. SO THAT AGREEMENT WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY YOU ALL. YEAH, IT'LL BE A, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO PLANNING COMMISSION LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING NO'S CITY. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'LL BE THE CITY AND THE DEV DEVELOPER THEN, WHICH WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THE HOA. SOUNDS LIKE A CONSENT ITEM ALSO. SHOULD BE. YEAH. IT HONESTLY SHOULD BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD JUST SAYING WHAT WE WILL DO AND WHAT THEY'LL DO, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS. SO I'M SURE LEGAL'S GONNA MAKE SURE AND COMMIT THE CITY TO LIKE SOME SPECIFIC CONCERN. YEAH. MARBLE ON ALL. CHRIS, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM Y'ALL ON IT? IS THAT PUMP, I KNOW THERE WAS A, THEY HAD TROUBLE GETTING IT SPECKED AND, AND GETTING IT ORDERED IN THE LEAD TIME. IS IT IN, OR WHERE IS IT? IT'S SPEED MANUFACTURE NOW. SERIOUSLY INSTALLED SHINGLES AND STUFF. OKAY. UM, ITEM SIX IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH MAJORS CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CROCKETT PARK, UH, PAVILION THERE. AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDING, SIDING AND FRAMING. UM, COMMISSIONERS RECALL THAT WHEN WE ISSUED THE, THE CONTRACT WITH MAJORS, WE TOOK OUT OF IT FRAMING WINDOWS, SIDING 'CAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. UM, AND THEY WEREN'T TERRIBLY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME. AND SO TO ALLOW IT TO MOVE FORWARD, WE TOOK THAT OUT, SAID WE'D COME BACK TO YOU WITH, UH, UH, EITHER CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR A CHANGE ORDER. AND SO THIS IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH MAJORS TO PUT THAT BACK IN. WE'VE HAD THE SITING, INVENTORIED, MEASURED, RIPPED, UM, IT'S ALL READY TO BE INSTALLED. WE KNOW IT'S WEIGHT. WE ABLE TO DO CALCULATIONS AND EVERYTHING. AND SO IT PROVIDES A MUCH GREATER COMFORT LEVEL FOR MAJORS TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS INSTALLATION. SO WINDOW SIDING, UM, THE FRAMING, UH, BASICALLY THIS IS THE LAST COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT. IF YOU, IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN BY, IT'S WORTH THE DRIVE OUT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. IT LOOKS PRETTY NEAT. UM, THE FOUNDATION, [00:25:02] UH, HAD TO BE EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE DESIGN JUST SHOULD HAVE ACCOMMODATED A, A LARGER FOUNDATION WITH SOME STEPS. WE'VE GOT A GUARDRAIL IN HERE AND THAT ACCOUNTED FOR CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE, WHICH WAS AUTHORIZED UNDER THE, UH, ADDITIONAL $10,000 CONTINGENCY THAT YOU PROVIDED. IT WAS $8,500. ANOTHER KIRK'S PURCHASING AUTHORITY. WE DID THAT. AND THEN THIS CHANGE ORDER NUMBER TWO IS 24,537. AND WE BELIEVE, UH, ALL OF THIS WILL BE BELOW THE $255,000 THAT YOU HAD. YOU ACTUALLY PUT $300,000 TOTAL. A PART OF THAT WAS ALSO DEMOLITION OF THE OLD CABIN. UM, AND THE WORK THAT, UH, THAT, UH, HOOD HAD DONE WITH LEATHERS. NOT LEATHERS, UM, LEATHER. IS IT LEATHERS CONSTRUCTED? HOOD. HOOD, LEATHERS, LEATHER, WOOD, LEATHERWOOD, LEATHERWOOD, LEATHERWOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND CHARLES IS HERE TO ANSWER TO YOU AS WELL. SO ALL IN FROM START TO FINISH OF LIKE TEARING IT DOWN AND STORING IT AND ALL OF THAT. WE'RE UNDER 300,000. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE JUST UNDER 300,000. YEAH. WITH, WITH EVERYTHING. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE. AFTER THEY, UM, CUT UP THE LOGS SO THAT WE GET THE GOOD WOOD FROM THEM COULD REPURPOSE THEM. THERE IS SOME WOOD LEFT WITH NAILS AND STUFF IN IT THAT THEY NEED TO DISPOSE OF. AND UM, ONE OF OUR HISTORIC BOARD MEMBERS WANTED TO KNOW IF WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE THIRD WEEK OF JANUARY, IF WE COULD DO IT BY EMAIL. AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID NO. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, CAN YOU GO ON AND JUST LET 'EM HAUL IT OFF? CAN WE DO THAT AS THE CITY COMMISSIONER? I MEAN, THE CITY OWNS THE BUILDING, NOT THE HISTORIC BOARD. COULD WE DO IT AT OUR MEETING AND THEN I COULD GET THAT OUT OF THERE INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT UNTIL LATE JANUARY? I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THERE'S VALUE TO THOSE HISTORIC TIMBERS. UM, HOW MUCH IS PROBABLY SUBJECT TO DEBATE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS WE, UH, I KNOW, I KNOW JOE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SORT OF BARTERED FOR SOME FENCE INSTALLATION AROUND IT AND GET, YOU KNOW, USE THE, THE TIMBERS. WELL HE ALL IT OFF TWO WEEKS AGO. SO HE'S THE, THE, THE TIMBERS THAT ARE STILL STORED IN THE LOG CABIN, UH, NEXT TO THE COOL SPRINGS HOUSE. THERE MAY BE VALUE THERE THAT WE, WE'D FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZE THAT, UH, DISPOSAL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF IT IS UNLESS WE PUT IT OUT THERE FOR BID. LIKE ON GOV DEALS OR SOMETHING ELSE. IF SOMEBODY CAN, CAN PUT, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT LIKE VIC HOOD WOULD, THAT'S WHERE HE WOULD BUY HISTORIC TIMBERS. PEOPLE LIKE US. OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IF THEY HAUL IT OFF NOW, IS THE MAJORS OR WHOEVER'S DOING THIS OUT THERE, WILL THEY HAUL IT OFF FOR FREE AS PART OF THEIR APPROACH? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT STACKS OF WOOD? YEAH, WE TALKING ABOUT SCRAPS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FULL TIMBERS? WELL, YEAH. HEAR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I, I THINK WHAT JOE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE HISTORIC TIMBERS THAT REMAIN, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN USED, THAT NOT RED. WELL HE SAID THAT THEY WERE, YEAH. THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER USEFUL. THEY HAD NAILS AND ALL THIS STUFF IN THEM AND THE, THEY WOULD COULD BE HAULED OFF. THIS WAS TWO WEEKS AGO. SO, SO OBVIOUSLY HE WASN'T THINKING OF BARTERING THEM. HE, BUT, BUT HE, HE WAS WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH CHARLES AND I BECAUSE WE, WE YEAH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT OLD HISTORIC FENCE, UM, THAT GOT PLOWED THROUGH WITH THE VEHICLE, TAKING IT ALL DOWN AND PUTTING UP LIKE A FOUR BOARD HORSE FENCE AROUND IT. OKAY. AND, AND PUTTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT UP. AND HE WANTED TO USE THE VALUE, SAY, OKAY, CAN WE TELL THIS CONTRACTOR IF YOU'LL PUT UP A, A NEW FENCE FOR US, WE'LL GIVE YOU THOSE TIMBERS. I DON'T FEEL A DISCRETION LEGALLY TO DO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS VALUE IS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DECLARE THOSE TIMBERS SURPLUS, PUT THEM ON GOV DEALS AND THEY CAN BID FOR IT. I, THAT'S THE CLEAN WAY TO DO THIS. I DON'T THINK LEGALLY BE AT THE DISCRETION TO BARTER LIKE THAT. AT LEAST NOT HIS STAFF. NOW YOU COULD, YOU COULD SAY GO AHEAD AND DO IT. IF THAT'S WHY I SAID COME COMPUTER COMMISSION PUT, UM, COMPUTER MONITORS, UH, ON THERE ON GOV DEALS. I MEAN, AND THOSE THINGS ARE WORTH WHAT, 10, 18, 20, BUT DEPENDS, RIGHT? YOU DON'T KNOW. UH, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. IF THERE IS BELIEF VALUE WITH, UH, THESE HISTORIC TIMBERS, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE SURPLUS OF THEM. AND THEN AS PART OF THAT, EITHER WE WOULD COME TO YOU OR WHAT THE METHOD OF SURPLUS, WHETHER THAT'S COME DEALS OR IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT CAN COME GIVE US AN ESTIMATE ON THE VALUE OF THESE BEFORE WE JUST PUT 'EM ON GOV DEALS. AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT FAIR MARKET VALUE IS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UNTIL YOU, THEY COULD, ANY, ANYBODY WHO WOULD GIMME THAT ESTIMATE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BET ON IT. . YEAH. RIGHT. SO THE GUY SPORT, THE PICKER GUY, CAN HE COME AND I MEAN, IT'LL BE REAL CLEAN IF WE JUST PUT IT ON GOV DEALS AND WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, WE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S OUT THERE. HE'S JUST GOT SUCH A SMALL MARKET FOR THAT. YOU GET ONE BIDDER WHO SAYS, I'LL GIVE YOU $25. RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S, I'M THINKING FOR OURSELVES. THEN WE'RE GONNA GET FROM IT, [00:30:01] PAY 500 BUCKS, HAVE SOMEONE COME ASSESS IT FOR TWO 50 , YOU KNOW, END UP UPSIDE DOWN. BUT, BUT ON ANN'S POINT THOUGH, DID SO IS IS THERE A SCRAP PILE THAT'S JUST CUT INS AND NAILS? YEAH, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THAT'S SEPARATE OF FROM THE ACTUAL, I DON'T KNOW IF SUCH, I DON'T KNOW THE SCRAP PILE. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE STILL REMAINING TIMBERS THAT WEREN'T USED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, BECAUSE WE JUST BE CLEAR BECAUSE I, I HEARD ANNE DESCRIBING THE SCRAP PILE. I HEARD YOU DESCRIBING FINISHED TIMBERS AND I WONDER IF SUPPOSE NO, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING NOW. YEAH, IT MAY NOT BE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS. I THINK ABOUT TOO. SOMEHOW THIS THING, WHOLE THING SEEMS TO GET SO MORE COMPLICATED EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT IT. UM, WE COULD NOT USE THE LOGS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WERE TERMITE EATEN, SOME WERE DAMAGED. THE ONLY WAY ANYBODY CAN UTILIZE THESE IS TO DO WHAT WE DID. GO IN AND CUT THEM. NOW IS SOMEBODY GONNA BID ON THAT AND THEN GO TO THE EXPENSE OF DOING THAT? I MEAN, IS THIS PIE IN THE SKY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY, IF THEY HAD A USE FOR THEM WHERE THEY COULD BE USED INTACT CUTTING THE ENDS OFF, WHERE IS THAT PERSON? WHERE IS THAT PERSON? ALL, ALL, ALL I KNOW IS THE, THE LEATHERWOODS OF THE WORLD, THIS, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO RECLAIM OLD LOGS LIKE THAT AND THEY FIND USES FOR THEM. AND I JUST, I DON'T WANNA REPRESENT THAT I, I KNOW IT'S A FAIR TRADE OR OR WHATEVER TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN PUTTING IT OUT TO BED. YEAH. THIS IS ON YOU, JACK ON YOU. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD POSSIBLY BID ON IT JOB AND THEN, THEN THAT AMOUNT WOULD BECOME A PART OF THIS PROJECT IF THEY BID IT, BOUGHT IT AND THEN BUILD THE FENCE FOR US WITH IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S WHAT JOE, JOE, I MEAN JOE'S SHAKING AND MAKING A DEAL IS WHAT HE WAS DOING IS IN JOE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WE JUST DON'T. UM, SO HOLD OFF, LET US, YOU KNOW, SURPLUS THEM. WE COULD PUT THEM ON GOV DEALS AND IF THEY DON'T SELL OR WE CAN PUT A MINIMUM BID IF IT DOESN'T MINIMUM, YEAH. THEN MAYBE THE CONDITION COMMISSION CAN AUTHORIZE THEN STAFF HAS THE DISCRETION TO YES. IT JUST COULDN'T BE DONE BY EMAIL, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. . SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS CAN WE DECIDE ON, AND IT'S TERRIBLY BUREAUCRATIC WHAT I'M DESCRIBING, BUT I I'M, THAT'S KINDA THE WAY IT IS FOR US. SEE THE EMAIL THAT CAME OUT WAS CAN WE GET RID OF THAT? WE WERE ALL READY TO SAY, YEAH, GO ON AND DO IT. IT'S NOT YOUR MAYBE KRISTEN NEEDS TO LET US KNOW WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT FIRST. YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY IF IT WAS JUST LEFTOVER SCRAPS FROM ALL THE OTHER STUFF, WHICH WAS WHAT THE EMAIL SORT OF SUGGESTED AND WHY DOESN'T SENSE TIMBERS THAT ARE REMAINING AT THE COOL SPRINGS BARN AND AT RAVENSWOOD THAT ARE FROM THE ONES THAT WEREN'T USED. I JUST FOUND THAT EMAIL. HOW MANY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE DOESN'T REMAINS SEEN SUZANNE. WE NEVER, WE COULD BE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE OR A JUNK PILE. OUR COMBO. WE DON'T HAVE A TELL 'EM FIVE OR 50. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. I CAN GO COUNT 'EM. I HAVEN'T PUT EYES ON 'EM SINCE THEY DID THE WORK. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE WILL, KYLE, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. IT'S THE ANTIQUES ROADSHOW. WE'LL PLAN TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU. OKAY. A SURPLUS AUTHORIZATION, JOSH, WITH THE DATA AND INFORMATION AND WHAT YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH IN A MINIMUM BID YOU'RE SUGGESTING AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. SO IF WE DID IT THAT WAY, DID A MINIMUM BID AND DIDN'T GET THE MINIMUM BID, THEN WE COULD FALL BACK, TRY TO NEGOTIATE A BARTER DEAL. WE'D STILL HAVE TO BRING THAT TO YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL. MM-HMM . AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION AGAIN WITH A NEW CITY MANAGER. BE FUN. WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. IT'LL BE ONE OF THE TWO OF US. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA STICK AROUND THAT LONG IN , BUT, BUT YOUR POINT IS THAT THE STORE COMMISSION CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION 'CAUSE THEY DON'T OWN. THEY DON'T. OKAY. AND EVEN IF THEY DID, THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT BY EMAIL THAT WAY. RIGHT. WHICH WAS SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A TWO PART QUESTION. AND COMMISSIONER DUNN REACHED OUT TO ME AND SHE SAID, HEY, I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO NOT HAPPEN THIS WAY. AND I SAID, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. I'M PROUD OF THAT. NO, NO. ACTUALLY A VALID CONVERSATION THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. VERY MUCH SO. ALRIGHT, UH, ITEM SEVEN IS AN AGREEMENT WITH JOHN BOUCHARD AND SONS FOR OUR WATER SEWER EMERGENCY GENERATOR PROJECT. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS GONNA BE PARTIALLY FUNDED, NOT AS MUCH AS WE HAD HOPED. WELL WE'RE GETTING THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE SAME DOLLAR, RIGHT. NOT SAME PERCENTAGE AS WE HAD HOPED FROM ARC FUNDS THROUGH THE COUNTY. UM, AND THIS IS TO INSTALL AND CHRIS CAN, CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL BUT EITHER INSTALL PERMANENT GENERATORS AND OR PREPARE SITES FOR QUICK CONNECT PORTABLE GENERATORS AT OUR VARIOUS PUMP STATIONS. UM, WE HAD BID THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. A LITTLE BIDDER HAD FAILED TO SUBMIT A COMPLETE BID. YEAH. SOME SUBMIT A COMPLETE BID. THE OTHER TWO BIDDERS HAD SOME MINOR ISSUES WITH IT AND WE'RE VERY HIGH. SO WE JUST SCRAP THOSE AND REBID IT. UH, IT'S COMING IN AT 2.2, 2.5 TOTAL OF 2,000,576. [00:35:01] UH, THAT INCLUDES A CONTINGENCY ABOUT 300,000 AND SOME LANDSCAPING WORK OR SOMETHING THAT THE ARC GRANT WOULDN'T COVER. YES. THE ARC GRANT IS A LITTLE UNDER $1.1 MILLION. SO THE WATER SEWER FUND, UH, PICKS UP THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT, WHICH AGAIN IS COST IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. WE WERE HOPING IT WAS ORIGINAL. AND THIS WAS A YEAR PLUS AGO, I GUESS ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO. 1.4 MILLION. YEAH. I BUDGETED ONE FIVE, BUT THEN, YEAH, SO HIGHER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT. BUT THIS IS IN ORDER TO GET THE 1.1 MILLION, OUR GRANT WILL WILL COME UP WITH THE REST. UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT SYSTEM RESILIENCY TYPE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S NOT MORE OUT OF OUR POCKET. IT IS, HOW MUCH MORE IS IT OUT OF OUR POCKET THAN WE HAVE ORIGINALLY BID SINCE WE'RE GETTING THE ARP? WELL IF IT WAS, IF OUR ORIGINAL WAS 1.5, WE WERE GONNA GET 1.1 OF ARPS 400,000 WOULD'VE BEEN OURS. NOW IT'S 1,000,005, 800. IT'S ABOUT 800 OVER WHAT WAS WELL YEAH, BECAUSE SOME OF THAT STUFF WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HOPING THE CONTINGENCY ISN'T UTILIZED. IF THE CONTINGENCY IS UTILIZED, THEN IT'S UP TO 1.4 AND ALL THAT. IS THAT PAID OUT OF THE WATER? UM, IS THIS THE LAST OF THE AR UH, ARPA AR, HOWEVER YOU LIKE TO SAY IT, REPAIR AND RESCUE PLAN ACT MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDER CONTRACT. AND WE, WE UTILIZED ALL THAT THAT WE HAD ACCESS TO BECAUSE WASN'T THE DEADLINE THIS WINTER. YES. UM, REMEMBER THERE'S, THERE WAS THREE DIFFERENT OR POTS MM-HMM . ONE WAS 12 SOME MILLION THAT CAME TO THE CITY. WE USED FIVE OF IT FOR THE FIRST WATER SEWER OR THE SEWER TANK. ROMANIAN SEVEN PLUS. WE WERE MOVING TO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE FINALLY SETTLED ON TO GET IT UNDER CONTRACT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. WINDY HILL AND THE MURRAY LANE ROUNDABOUT. AND THOSE ARE ACCOUNTED FOR MURRAY GO ROUND PROBABLY. HUH. MURRAY GO ROUND . UM, SO YES, THOSE ARE UNDER CONTRACT. WE ACTUALLY NEED A LITTLE MORE ON, ON SOME OF THAT. WE'VE GOT ABOUT GETTING CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS OF INTEREST BECAUSE WE PUT THAT ART MONEY IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT TO ACCRUE INTEREST. YEAH. SO THERE'S INTEREST THERE AND WE STILL GET TO USE THAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT. NO, THERE'S NO, NO TIMELINE, NO OBLIGATION HAS THAT'S, THAT'S FREE, NOT FREE MONEY, BUT IT'S OURS TO USE WHEN ON A TIME CONSTRAIN IT'S TO OUR BENEFIT. YES. SO THE IDEA WAS IS TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE AN OVERRUN AT WENDY HILL OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN COVER THAT WITH THAT INTEREST FROM THE A MONEY AND NOT OTHER SOURCES, BUT IT CAN BE USED IN OTHER THINGS. MORE SOIL BEAM. HOLD ON. YEAH, EXACTLY. MM-HMM . SO THAT POT OF MONEY. YES. OBLIGATED. THEN WE HAD OUR OWN ARPA MONEY THAT CAME THROUGH THE STATE THAT HAD TO BE FOR UTILITIES. AND THAT'S BEING SPENT ON THE CARRON DELE WATERLINE PROJECT. SO THAT'S FULLY UNDER CONTRACT. EVERYTHING'S COVERED THERE. THIS MONEY WAS A PASS THROUGH FROM THE STATE TO WILLIAMS COUNTY TO US. AND SO WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, OUR AGREEMENT WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY A WHILE BACK WAS THE OBLIGATION THEY NEEDED TO MEET THEIR DEADLINE. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES. I JUST NEED TO KIND OF SPELL OUT THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT SURE. NO, I I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. POTS OF MONEY. YEAH. EXCELLENT. AND GREAT JOB GETTING IT ALL USED UP. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO UN UNDER, UH, A CONTRACT BY THIS YEAR AND THEN SPENT BY DECEMBER OF 2026 SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM ON ANY OF THAT, SPENDING THAT MONEY. 'CAUSE MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE DONE IN 2025. SPEAKING OF WIND HILL, HOW IS THE SOIL SITUATION OUT THERE ONGOING? ? SO THEY HAVE STARTED, WELL NO, IT'S, WE'RE STILL TESTING. WE DID SOME TESTING YESTERDAY OF SOME AREAS WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT METHODS AND SOME PROOF ROLLING AND THEY FAILED. SO WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLAN TO PRESENT TO YOU YET, BUT IT'S STILL A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU SAY THEY FAILED, LIKE IT, LIKE WHEN THEY PROOF ROLLED 'EM, THEY STARTED WRITING UP AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, CHRIS AND DREW, DO YOU THINK THAT WE WILL HAVE TO UTILIZE THAT CONTINGENCY? LIKE WHAT DOES YOUR, WHAT DOES YOUR GUT ON THAT SAY? DO YOU THINK IT WILL JUST BE $800,000 OVER, SO ESSENTIALLY $4,000 OVER WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON $400,000? EXCUSE ME. OR DO YOU THINK THAT THAT CONTINGENCY THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE'LL HAVE TO USE IT? I KNOW WE USE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING CONTINGENCY, UH, FOR SURE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR PUB STATIONS ARE LITERALLY LOCATED IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND WE'VE TALKED TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS ABOUT MAKING SURE WE DO SOME LANDSCAPING TO HELP SCREEN. SO WE WILL SPEND LANDSCAPING MONEY. OKAY. UH, I MEAN SO THAT A HUNDRED FIFTY SEVENTY FIVE NO, THE 2 2 25 IS THE LANDSCAPING. THE BACK SHEET, THE, UH, LANDSCAPING ALLOWANCE WAS 75,000 OF THAT POD. OKAY. I GUESS THAT'S NOT WHY I'M OUT HERE. AND THEN THERE WAS 150,000 IN JUST GENERAL CONTINGENCY FOR UNFORESEEN YES. AND 150 FOR SCADA [00:40:01] PROGRAM. AND THEN THERE'S 150 OR 152 YEAH. FOR SCADA INTEGRATION. OKAY. AND THAT WILL BE USED. RIGHT. THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE USED. AND THAT'S BUDGETED IN ANOTHER POT OF MONEY. THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING OUT OF THIS ART FUND, IF YOU WILL, FOR SPENDING. SO THEN, SO THEN OF THE 375,000 RIGHT. 3 75, YOU'RE PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO REMAINING. YOU'LL PROBABLY, PROBABLY MOST OF THAT WILL BE SPENT AND YOU'LL ONLY BE REMAINING 150 OR LESS. WE'LL PROBABLY SPEND 200,000 OF IT FOR SURE. AND THEN THE ONE 50 MAY NOT BE SPENT. OKAY. SO THEN THAT'LL TAKE THAT $800,000 TO 600 OR SOMETHING? YEAH. OR SIX 50 OR, OKAY. I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING CONFUSED. I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA TAKE THE $800,000 UP, WHICH IS GREAT IF IT DOESN'T, BUT I WAS CONFUSED AND THOUGHT IT WOULD SAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE $800,000. BUT IF WE SPEND THOSE CONTINGENCIES NOW IT'S GOING TO BE 900. NO, THE 850 IS INCLUDING THE CONTINGENCY AMOUNT IN IT ALREADY. OKAY. SO I WAS DOING THE MATH PROBLEM THE WRONG WAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. SO IT COULD BE 600,000, IT'LL BE LESS. YEAH, FOR SURE. WHAT, WHAT IT EXACTLY IS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT SO THEN THE SUM TOTAL OF THIS DISCUSSION MEANS THAT WE'LL SPEND 300, 250 TO 500, $400,000 MORE THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. PROBABLY HALF A MILLION NOW. FOUR TO 500. IT JUST MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA SPEND $800,000 MORE POTENTIALLY. BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT VERSUS WHAT WE WERE ALREADY PLANNING ON. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S MORE GOOD DATA. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WILL, I'LL JUST THROW IN TOO, THERE'S, WE THINK THERE'S SOME MORE SAVINGS, UM, THAT CAN BE REALIZED FOR PARTICULARLY ONE OF THE EQUIPMENT ITEMS. IT CAME IN A LITTLE BIT OF REALLY HIGH. WE WERE KIND OF SHOCKED AT THAT COST. IF YOU LOOK IN THE BID FORM, IT'S ABOUT $290,000 FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO ONCE WE GET A CONTRACT IN PLACE, FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS INVESTIGATE WITH THAT CONTRACTOR ABOUT A CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE. 'CAUSE WE THINK THAT'S REALLY HIGH. OKAY, GREAT. SO IT COULD BE THAT MAY BE ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND ADDITIONAL THERE. YEAH. OKAY. AWESOME. SO OKAY, GREAT. WE'LL INVESTIGATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM EIGHT IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH CLEMENTS LONG CARE FOR THEM TO TAKE OVER, UH, LANDSCAPE. NOT MOWING 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY MOWING. BUT LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE ON OUR, UH, INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES WILSON PIKE, MEDIAN , WILSON PIKE AND THE TOWN. SO TODD CAN DELVE INTO THIS MORE, BUT WE'VE BEEN USING TERRA FIRMER FOREVER, UM, WITHOUT ANY CLEAR CONTRACT FOR, I'M SURE THERE WAS SOMETHING ORIGINALLY, BUT ANYWAY, LATELY HAS FELT LIKE QUALITY OF WORK IS, IS DIMINISHED. THE SERVICE HAS CERTAINLY SUFFERED SOME, UM, I'VE HAD TO KEEP TABS ON THEM MUCH CLOSER AND KIND OF POLICE THEIR WORK A LOT MORE. I THINK THEY'VE JUST MAYBE LOST THE AMBITION TO CONTINUE TO SERVE US AT THE RATE THEY ONCE DID. UM, CLEMENTS DOES OUR MOWING AND AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY CONTACTED US NUMEROUS TIMES WITH THINGS THAT THEY'VE OBSERVED WHILE MOWING THESE, UH, DIFFERENT AREAS. AND SO I I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT CLEMENTS NOT ONLY HAS THE CAPABILITY AND THE SKILL, UM, THEY'RE, IT, IT MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYBODY THAT THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE MOWING. THEY SEE THESE THINGS THAT CAN ADDRESS THEM AS PART OF THAT SAME VISIT. AND, UH, FOR THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THEY QUOTED US, IT'S, IT'S NOMINAL, BUT IT'S A LESS EXPENSIVE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE SAME SERVICES THAT WERE PROVIDED LAST YEAR THROUGH TERRA FIRMA. UM, FOR WHAT I HOPE IS MUCH BETTER SERVICE. DOES, DOES THIS, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE I'M REMEMBERING A RESIDENT MADE A COMPLAINT ABOUT A CERTAIN AREA NEAR OFFRAMP ON RAMP. I GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME. I'M SORRY, . I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I REMEMBER THIS ONE. IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT OVERGROWTH. THEY SENT PICTURES TOO OF OVERGROWTH. SO THIS WOULD COVER, 'CAUSE IT'S ALL OF THAT STUFF ON THE ON. I DON'T THAT HAVE BEEN THE CEMETERY AREA DOWN MOORES WAS, THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH A SIGN. MM-HMM. NOT RECENT. UM, WE NEAR A SIGN ONE OF OUR, LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD SIGNS AT CONCORD OFF RAMP. OKAY. SOUTHBOUND OFF RAMP WAS THE GRASS AROUND THERE. SO, AND THE, THE ROSES HAD DIED AND YES. OKAY. SO THAT IS ALL PART OF THIS, UH, MAINTENANCE, THE WAVE WALL HERE ON MARYLAND WAY, THE TOWN CENTER WAY LANDSCAPING AND THAT CIRCLE AND KIND OF STREET SCAPING WHERE WE GO ROUND. UM, THAT'S JUST MODE CURRENTLY. THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING THERE. BUT UM, AND THEN THERE IS AN ADDITION, UH, [00:45:01] THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL THAT THEY WOULD PICK UP SOME MAINTENANCE TO SPRAY AND KIND OF KEEP THE GROWTH, THE UNDERGROWTH THAT WE'VE CUT BACK ON MURRAY LANE DOWN. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TERRA FIRMA EVER DID. SO THAT'S A ALTOGETHER IN ADDITION, BUT IT ROLLS INTO THIS OVERALL 60,000 PER CHANGE ORDER AMOUNT. MURRAY LANE LOOKS GREAT. IT DOES, YEAH. GETTING LOTS AND LOTS OF COMPLIMENTS. MM-HMM . GOOD. NOW TARA FIRMER DOES WORK FOR THE, AT THE HISTORIC HOMES TOO. I THINK THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL AFTER TALKING WITH TODD. UH, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING, WE'VE TALKED WITH, UH, HIS GENTLEMAN AND WITH BRIGHTVIEW. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SWITCHING SOMETHING WELL PROPOSING, BUT THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU SEPARATELY. THIS ONE. OKAY. UH, NINE IS THE APPROVAL TO PURCHASE TRAFFIC CAMERAS. SO THESE ARE REPLACEMENT CAMERAS. UH, BACK TO COMMISSIONER SPEARS. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE TRAFFIC MONITORING ONES, NOT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROL ONES. SO THIS IS 15 CAMERAS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET TO REPLACE. UM, PROTONIX IS, IT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT AS A SOLE SOURCE AND THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THE SAME MANUFACTURER, SAME EQUIPMENT AS WE HAVE IN ALL OF OUR OTHER CAMERAS. UM, DO WITH THE OWN WELL SURPLUS EM AND I MEAN, CAN THEY ACTUALLY BE SOLD? I DIDN'T KNOW. OH YEAH, THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOME. SOMETIMES WE, WE PUT 'EM ON GOV DEALS AND SOMETIMES THEY BRING MONEY AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. BUT THEY'LL BE ON A FUTURE LIST. YOU SEE THE SURPLUS EM? YEAH. YEAH. UM, SO 43,925, UM, FROM PROTONIX FOR 15 CAMERAS. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT AT THE INTERSECTION ANYBODY CAN LOG ON, YOU KNOW, AND SEE LINES. THOSE ARE THE ONES, IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND LOOK AT CAMERAS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING THOSE CAMERAS. OKAY. AND THEN NOT DIRECTLY RELATED, BUT SIMILAR, OUR APPROVAL TO, UH, PURCHASE, UH, COMPUTER SWITCHES WITHIN OUR TRAFFIC CABINETS. AND IF I'M GETTING THIS WRONG, CORRECT, SARAH, TELL ME. YES. UM, AND THESE ARE PERIODIC REPLACEMENTS. UH, THIS IS FIVE SWITCHES BEING REPLACED THIS YEAR, TOTAL OF 50 3001 91 UNDER THE, UH, NASPA STATE CONTRACT. SO THIS IS JUST PART OF OUR CONTINUING EQUIPMENT REPLACE TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT PROCESS. IS THERE A SPARE ON THE SHELF? YEAH, I THINK MARK KIND OF MAINTAINS ONE THAT LIST THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE COMPLETE BOX OF PIECES OR PIECES OF WHAT GOES IN A BOX FROM THAT, MAYBE MORE? THAT'S CORRECT. OOPS. LEARNING MARTIN'S BRAIN RIGHT. TRAINING. SO, UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE PARTS OF IT, PARTS OF IT. WELL, TODD AND I CAN PROBABLY COURTNEY TOGETHER, BUT UM, ACTUALLY MARTIN'S PART OF OUR TECH MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE EVERY OTHER WEEK. SO HE SITS ON THOSE MEETINGS WITH US SO HE CAN ACTUALLY TEACH US PART OF IT. AND THEN HE HAS TRAVIS TO WRITE THAT HE DOES. SO WE WORK WITH HIM VERY CLOSELY IN THE TECH WORLD. OKAY. BUT, BUT THERE WILL BE A HOLE. YEAH, THERE'S NO QUESTION. BUT IS HE TRAINING SOMEONE TO COME BEHIND HIM TO HELP BUILD OUT? WELL, WE TRIED THAT SEVERAL TIMES. UM, I THINK THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS TO IT. WE HAD SOME YOUNGER PEOPLE IN THAT KIND OF, THAT TECH POSITION THAT ARE UP AND COMING AND LEARNING. THEY JUST DON'T EVER SEEM TO STICK WITH IT. UM, I THINK THAT'S PARTLY A GENERATIONAL THING RIGHT NOW. HE HAS GOOD CONSISTENT HELP IN TRAVIS. UH, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME AGE. SO IT WOULD STAND TO REASON. THEY MIGHT RETIRE AROUND THE SAME TIME. UH, TO KIRK'S POINT THERE, THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLE OR A LOT OF THE HOLE WHEN MARTIN LEAVES US. PARTLY MARTIN IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT IS CONSTANTLY DOING SOMETHING. UM, AND WHILE WE ALL SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY DOING SOMETHING, IT, IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT JUST BRINGS THE KIND OF BANDWIDTH THAT MARTIN HAS BROUGHT. SO I JOKE THAT IT COULD TAKE 2, 3, 4 PEOPLE TO REPLACE MARTIN. I I DON'T SAY THAT LIKE I'M PROPOSING THAT, BUT, UH, HE WILL CERTAINLY BE MISSED AT SOME POINT. IS IT WE'RE GONNA, SORRY, GO AHEAD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WITHOUT A DOUBT, DO SOME CONTRACTING AT THAT POINT. UM, AND I'M OPEN TO IDEAS. JAY AND I HAVE TALKED AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS KIND OF A SIDESTEP, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY INCREASED ON MY PLATE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES AND THE NUMBER OF INQUIRIES AND INVESTIGATIONS, VALUATIONS, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, WITH DIFFERENT HOAS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING. IT'S KIND OF TAKEN ME AWAY FROM SOME [00:50:01] OF THE OTHER THINGS. SO POTENTIALLY WE MAY PROPOSE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TYPE PERSON IN THE COMING YEAR OR SO, UM, WITH THE INTENT TO KIND OF TAKE THAT AS PART OF THEIR, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT ALSO SOMEBODY WITH THE, THE TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW THE, THE TRAINED EXPERIENCE TO KIND OF START OVERSEEING SOME OF THE SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, THE TIMING, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MARTIN CURRENTLY DOES TO HELP GIVE US SOME CONTINUITY. UM, THERE WOULD STILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLE, I'M SURE WITH THE HANDS-ON HARDWARE SWAP OUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE OVERALL KNOWLEDGE COULD BE TRANSFERRED. IT COULD BE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUTSOURCING THAT OR BRINGING ON A NEW FTE? NO, THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE INTERNAL FTE, UM, LIKE MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES HAVE CURRENTLY. WE, WE RUN VERY LEAN IN TRAFFIC. I MEAN FOR, FOR 53 SIGNALS AND ALL THE SCHOOL LIGHTS AND THE FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CROSSINGS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HE MAINTAINS JUST TO HAVE TWO FTES MAINTAINING THAT, THAT'S INCREDIBLY LEAN. SO, AND TODD, YOU, YOU INTERFACE SO MUCH WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS ON THE, ON THE, THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION SIDE AND SO DOES ENGINEERING, WHICH IT'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, BUT THEY, WHAT WELL THEY LEFT, BUT UM, THERE'S ALSO LIKE THE CMAC GRANT, BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, THE A DA RAMPS, ALL THAT KIND OF CAN KIND OF COME TOGETHER IN THIS TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER POSITION WHERE YOU NEED SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS, OH YES, I'VE, I I HAVE THESE CONTACTS OUT AT THESE SUBDIVISIONS. WE'VE TALKED, YOU KNOW, WHO CAN HAVE THAT. AND I, I'VE BEEN VERY WORRIED ABOUT TODD'S WORKLOAD WITH ALL, ALL THE INUNDATION WE'VE HAD WITH TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS. AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT TAKES SOME OF THAT WORKLOAD AND, AND SHARE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTION? IS THAT A HARD POSITION TO HIRE FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER? YEAH, I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PAY SCALE. UM, AND IT'S RELATIVE TO HOW THE ECONOMY'S DOING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. UM, BUT I MEAN THERE ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AVAILABLE. IT'S PROBABLY A BIGGER MARKET FOR THAT IF YOU WENT THAT ROUTE THAN THERE WOULD BE TO TRY TO HIRE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TECHNICIAN. RIGHT. LIKE MARTIN WHO'S CAPABLE OF DOING OKAY. WHAT MARTIN DOES. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. MARTIN MARTIN'S ONE OF A KIND. HE HAS A, A LEVEL THREE CERTIFICATION. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 30 OF THOSE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY. UM, HE'S SELF-TAUGHT, YOU KNOW, HE'S COMMITTED TO LEARN MOST OF THAT ON HIS OWN OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS OR SO. SO, UH, AND HE, AND HE STAYS AHEAD OF THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCEMENTS, WHICH IS REALLY A FEATHER IN HIS CAP. HE'S TREMENDOUS PERSON TO HAVE ON STAFF. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. YES MA'AM. UH, WHEN I THINK OF A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I THINK OF THE BOB MURPHY'S OF THE WORLD. MM-HMM . THIS IS DIFFERENT. IT WOULD BE A A, I THINK A HAND ON LOWER LEVEL. RIGHT. SO IS THAT LIKE TERMINOLOGY TO TO THAT? WELL THAT WOULD BE LIKE, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO WOULD TRULY BE A PE ENGINEER. YES, CORRECT. AND WOULD WORK IN, IN ENGINEERING BUT HELP SHARE SOME OF THE WORKLOAD FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND PEOPLE LIKE PROBABLY YOUNGER IN THEIR CAREER TYPE OF, NOT ENTRY LEVEL BUT YOUNGER IN THEIR CAREER. PUBLIC WORKS OR ENGINEERING, THAT THAT IS YET TO BE TOTALLY OUTLINED. BUT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH ENGINEERING AND PROBABLY ENGINEERING IS THE BETTER FIT. UM, THE LOWER LEVEL ENGINEERING STAFF HAVE KIND OF AN APPRENTICESHIP TIMELINE THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK UNDER A CERTIFIED ENGINEER. SO THAT WOULD CLEAN UP THAT PART OF THE ARRANGEMENT ANYWAYS. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU SAID TRAFFIC ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT APPEAR BEFORE US WITH TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THINGS THAT ARE , RIGHT. BUT EACH ONE OF THEM WHO ARE HIGHER UP IN THEIR FIRMS HAVE SEVERAL OTHER TRAFFIC ENGINEERS LOWER LEVEL WORKING BELOW. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. WE MIGHT HAVE A MARKET THEN THAT WE CAN GO TO. YEAH, I THINK A STRONGER MARKET THAN TRYING TO JUST REPLACE MARTIN IS MARTIN. SO THANKS FOR THINKING FORWARD ON THAT TJ. THANK YOU. UM, BUT IT ALSO IS GOOD THAT AS SARAH FIRST STARTED, THAT THE TECH STAFF HAS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVEMENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO FIBER AND THE 'CAUSE REALLY TRAFFIC SIGNALS OTHER THAN BEING LIGHT BULBS ARE COMPUTERS. RIGHT. IT'S NOT AS CLEAN. 'CAUSE IT USED TO BE YEAH. TECHNOLOGIES AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN LAST ITEM IS JUST FORMAL VOTE TO CANCEL YOUR SCHEDULED MEETING ON DECEMBER 16TH. AND THEN YOU JUST GOT NOTICE OF FUTURE APPOINTMENTS TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THE TREE BOARD. WELL, I'M GONNA MAKE A, UM, REQUEST THAT THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS, IF THEY REAPPLIED, ARE GIVEN STRONG CONSIDERATION. [00:55:01] OUR NEW ONES ONLY BEEN WITH US A FEW MONTHS BECAUSE SHE'S FILLING OUT ANNETTE A SEAT, BUT SHE'S A DAR MEMBER AND SHE'S ALREADY VOLUNTEERED TO HAVE UP THE, THE ABOUT, WELL IT'S THE 250TH CENTENNIAL OF THE UNITED STATES. SO SHE'S JUMPED RIGHT IN AND IS DOING A GOOD JOB. KATHY DOES THE CEMETERIES IN BOY SPRING ACADEMY THAT HER CEMETERY INFORMATION WOULD BE HARD TO REPLACE AND JOE DOES EVERYTHING SO THAT THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT NOW. THAT IS KATHY GETTING THOSE CEMETERIES DIGITIZED, LIKE ON THE MAPS ON THE GIS. YEAH. BUT THERE'S A TON OF INTERNAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S BURIED THERE AND SHE GETS EMAILS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ABOUT IT AND IS, AND RUNS THE BOWLING SPRING ACADEMY PROGRAM TOO, WHICH IS, IT'S JUST A BIG, BIG TASK. SO ANYHOW, UM, I DO THINK THERE, HOW DO WE TRANSFER THAT KNOWLEDGE? PARDON ME? HOW DO WE TRANSFER THAT KNOWLEDGE SO THAT UM, WHEN HER SERVICES ARE LOST, UM, AT SOME POINT SOME OF IT CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED. IT'S ON HER PERSONAL RECORDS AND STUFF AT HOME. WE'VE GOT OUR ARCHIVES, WHICH, UM, WHAT CHARLES CAN TELL YOU, TECH'S BEEN WORKING WITH US FOR HOW LONG NOW TO TRY TO GET IT ON OUR WEBSITE. IT'S, WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT EASY TO GET IT. AND CHARLES HAS BEEN WORKING TOO. UM, BUT TO THIS EXTENT, THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T REPLACE. I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING A PERSON CAN'T BE, BUT SOME OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED THAT EASILY TO OTHER PEOPLE, PEOPLE, HER CONTACTS OR WHATEVER. BUT TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE TRULY RECORDS SHE HAS, THOSE ARE CITY RECORDS. YEAH. SHE HAS LIKE CITY RECORDS ON HER PERSONAL COMPUTER. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE. WELL, NO, SHE'S GOT, WE'VE GOT THOSE. OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING SHE HAS A LOT OWN THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAID OF OWN STUFF THAT SHE BRINGS CAN SHARE WITH US. BUT YOU KNOW, HER WORK THAT SHE'S DONE OVER THE YEARS, SHE'S NOT GONNA NECESS, SHE'S TRIED THOUGH, BUT THERE, IT WASN'T ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO TRANSFER 'EM WITH OUR WEBSITE THE WAY IT WAS. OVER THE YEARS. SHE'S TRIED TO GET THE INHABITANTS OF THESE GRAVES OF THESE CEMETERIES ONTO OUR WEBSITE. IT'S JUST NOT AS EASILY DONE AS YOU THINK IT IS. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT, BUT SHE'S WORKED WITH CHARLES AND DEANNA AND TECH. IT'S NOT LIKE SHE'S HOARDING THIS INFORMATION. SHE JUST WANTS TO KEEP TO HERSELF. YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD. YEAH. AT SOME POINT THOUGH, ALL OF OUR SERVICES ARE SUBJECT TO BE LOST, UH, AND SOMETIMES SUDDENLY AND WITHOUT NOTICE. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THAT PERSON, UH, OR THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE, UH, TO NOT DOCUMENT, CROSS TRAIN. THAT'S MY AND TRANSFER KNOWLEDGE. EVERYTHING I'VE EVER DONE, THE HISTORIC BOARD, I'VE GOT FILE AFTER FILE AFTER FILE THIS ON THE CITY THING. AND TO HER, SHE'S BUILT QUITE A LEGACY. RIGHT. UH, AND WE WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT, UM, IMPLODE GO BACKWARD, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, IT'S SAME THING WITH LIKE MARTIN TOO, RIGHT? GOTTA DOCUMENT AND CROSS TRAIN AS BEST WE CAN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HERE FOR HOWEVER LONG. WE DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. KATHY'S A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC TEAM. TEAM AND HER WAY. SOME OF THE OLDER MEMBERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BOARD LATELY. SOME OF 'EM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT REAPPLY. SO I'M JUST SAYING I'M ENDORSING THEM NOW AND I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE IT INTO STRONG CONSIDERATION WHEN THE VOTE COMES UP. NED, I THINK YOUR YOUR POINT ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, 'CAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE THE DATA. YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DATA MEANS, I THINK IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS ON THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS REALLY VALUABLE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BEEN SOME PRESSURE ON THAT LATELY. YEAH. DO YOU KNOW IF MS. DEBIL IS APPLYING AGAIN? DO YOU KNOW YET? WELL, I CERTAINLY HOPE SO BECAUSE SHE, SHE, AS I SAID, SHE'S ONLY BEEN THERE A SHORT TIME, BUT SHE'S JUMPED RIGHT IN AND, AND THAT IS A HARDWORKING BOARD. I KNOW THEY ALL WORK HARD, BUT IT'S NONSTOP. AND WHEN YOU GET PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THAT KIND OF TIME AND INVOLVE THEMSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND RAISE MONEY AND ALL OF THAT, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT ALL OUT THERE, YOU KNOW. SO, UM, IT'S JUST, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HER REAPPLY AND HOPE THAT SHE, MEL, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER MACMILLAN'S QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE GIS IS WITH THE UPDATING THE CEMETERIES AND ALL THAT? DO YOU KNOW CHARLES OR, OH, WELL HE'S GOT 'EM ON. WE GOT THOSE. THE, THE LOCATIONS ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT ALL, ALL, ALL OF THEM HAVE NOW BEEN INCLUDED. ALL THE, I THINK WE KNOW OF ALL [01:00:01] THE DOCUMENTED ONES. YEAH. ALL THE DOCUMENTED ONES. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND UH, SARAH HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT WITH, AND ALSO WITH ALL THE ARCHIVES WE HAVE AND SHE'S BUILT A REALLY BEAUTIFUL KIND OF SYSTEM. WE HAVEN'T PUT IT UP YET BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS REFRESH. RIGHT. IF WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE REFRESH, THEN SURE. AND THEN IT'LL BE UP AND AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO LOOK AT AND AND LEARN ABOUT AND YEAH. AND SHE'S MADE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY EASY TO USE, WHICH WAS GREAT FOR ME. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD. AND ANYTHING KATHY CAN ADD TO THAT WITH HER PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IF SHE'S WILLING TO, THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF WELL, SHE'S BEEN DOING IT. OKAY, GREAT. IT'S NOT THAT SHE HASN'T DONE IT. GREAT. OKAY, GREAT. UM, THE ARCHIVES, WE HAD LINDA LYNCH THE ENTIRE TIME SHE WORKED HERE, KEPT FILES AND EVERY PHOTOGRAPH AND EVERYTHING. SHE AND LOIS SPENT THREE YEARS SITTING DOWN GOING THROUGH BOXES OF THOSE AND ORGANIZING THEM BY TOPICS. THEN CHUCK HAD 'EM, CHUCK CHERYL RIGHT. HAD 'EM DIGITIZED AT, SCANNED THEM IN THE DOWNTOWN LIBRARY. MM-HMM . AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO, AND THAT TOOK, AS I SAY YEARS. MM-HMM . WE'RE NOW TRYING TO GET 'EM ON THE CITY WEBSITE. MM-HMM . SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT RECORDS NEED TO BE KEPT. THAT'S WHAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION'S ALL ABOUT, KEEPING RECORDS. SO, OKAY. WELL THOSE APPOINTMENTS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND THOSE ARE BOTH THREE BOARD AND HISTORIC WILL BE AT YOUR FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING. AND THAT IS IT. SO AGAIN, THE ONE ITEM I WANNA MAKE SURE THE DRAFT LETTER, UM, ELECTION TO THE ELECTION COMMISSION. OH YES. UM, WELL I GUESS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY, I THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. UM, IS, IS EARLY VOTING NORMALLY GO UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY? DOESN'T IT NORMALLY GO TO ONE O'CLOCK SO IT CAN GET THROUGH THE LUNCH HOUR? I DUNNO, I I CAN, WE CAN MAYBE GO BACK AND SEE WHAT IT WAS FOR THE NOVEMBER I EARLY VOTING ON SATURDAYS. DOES IT NORMALLY GOES TILL TO ONE OR TWO? ONE OR TWO O' ON SATURDAY? BECAUSE I THINK ON THAT LETTER IT SAYS 12, IT SAYS NOON. THAT'S KIND WHAT WE, I THINK WE NEED TO WITH ONLY ONE SATURDAY. YEAH, DO WHATEVER YOU, LET'S DO, CAN WE DO ONE O'CLOCK? IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT OKAY IF WE SWITCH IT TO FROM NOON TO ONE AND ADD ANOTHER HOUR ON THAT SATURDAY? I REALLY THINK IN YEARS GONE BY, IT WAS TILL TWO O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY. OKAY. I COULD BE WRONG. OKAY. HEARING RIGHT NOW. BUT I DON'T CARE. WHOEVER'S RUNNING I I'LL LET Y'ALL TO SATURDAY. HEY GUYS, CAN YOU, I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A MAYOR GORMAN, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON IF EARLY VOTING GOES TILL ONE O'CLOCK OR TWO O'CLOCK ON THAT SATURDAY? UM, ONE OR TWO WOULD BE FINE. I DON'T HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE. OKAY. DO Y'ALL, FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE, DOES IT SHARE, DO YOU WANNA SHARE ANY OF YOUR EXPERIENCES AS KRISTEN'S VERY HARD TO TAKE A LOOK JUST TO SEE WHAT IT'S TYPICALLY THEN? NO, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN GO BACK IN THE LETTERS PAST AND, WELL THE NOON ONE IS NEW IS WHAT WAS RECENT, WHAT WAS FOR RECENT 23, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I'M COMPLETELY, THAT'S PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH 20. I DID, WE HAVE TWO SATURDAYS IN 23 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO 23 WAS THE FIRST YEAR WHEN IT WAS GONNA BE JUST THE ONE WEEK CONCLUSIVE OF ONE. SO WOULD'VE BEEN 21, 21 WOULD'VE BEEN THE LIKE THE MOST COMPARABLE, RIGHT. AS FAR AS I THINK THAT WAS TWO SATURDAYS. YEAH. IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE FULL. I THINK WE GO TO ONE OR TWO AT AT THE MINIMUM SINCE WE HAVE ONE SATURDAY FOR THAT. BUT HOW ABOUT IF YOU PULL THE RECORDS AND THEY SHOW TWO WE GO WITH TWO AND IF THEY SHOW ONE WE GO WITH ONE AND IF THEY SHOW NOON WE GO WITH ONE. OKAY. THAT I DO HAVE IT. I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NO EARLIER THAN TWO. IF WE'VE DONE TWO BEFORE, YES. BUT IF NOT, THEN ONE THAT'S FAIR. I'LL PULL TWO IF WE'VE DONE TWO BEFORE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . ONE IF WE HAVE IT. YES AND NO AND YOU FOLLOW AGREE. AND AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE A REQUEST TO NOT INCLUDE SAFETY CENTER EAST. CORRECT. WHICH A COUPLE OF THE CANDIDATES ALL WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THE OTHERS KIND OF SAID WELL WHATEVER THE CANDIDATES WANT. SO YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF MONEY TO DO. SO AGAIN, JUST YOU KNOW, THE CAVEAT HERE IS THEY WILL USUALLY DO WHAT YOU REQUEST, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE ELECTION COMMISSION. MM-HMM DECISION. OKAY. YOU KNOW? WELL I'M SURE EASIER SAFETY, THEY'LL NOT DEMAND THAT EVERY YEAH. TO HAVE THAT'S FEWER PEOPLE. THEY'VE GOTTA A HIGHER STAFF STAFF AND ALL THAT. SO GET IT READY. OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL LOOK BACK AND SEE IF WE CAN CONFIRM THE ONE OR TWO, LET YOU KNOW. BUT THEN WE FINALIZE THIS AND SEND IT ON TO A QUICK QUESTION. I WASN'T HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SAFETY CENTER EAST IS THE REASON BECAUSE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT VOTE THERE ARE SO SMALL. SMALL. CORRECT. I GOTCHA. AND WHAT WERE THOSE NUMBERS? LIKE? I DON'T KNOW, LIKE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE IS WHAT I RECALL. SMALL. MM-HMM . GOTCHA. 'CAUSE I JUST HATE TO TAKE PART IN TOWN 'CAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET UP AND DOWN CONCORD ROAD TO CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT'S A LONELY PLACE TO BE ABLE IT IS. STAND OUTSIDE AND WAIT FOR VOTERS TO COME BY. YEAH. COSTWISE, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM, SEEM JUSTIFY IT. YEAH. YEAH. WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE, THE EARLY VOTE OPPORTUNITY AND EVERY, EVERYBODY [01:05:01] DRIVES BY THE LIBRARY OR THAT CHURCH, THEY'RE ONLY SIDE THEY DRIVE BY. CAN I MENTION ONE MORE THING? UM, KIRK AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 250TH. ANN BROUGHT UP THE 250TH, SORRY COMMISSIONER DUN BROUGHT UP THE 250TH COUNTRY'S ANNIVERSARY AND THAT UM, WE'LL DO SOMETHING AS A CITY. AND SO KIRK AND I TALKED AND SO HE AND STAFF ARE WORKING ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND THAT . YEAH. AND I DUNNO, ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE FOLLOW UP TO SEE WHAT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION BUT THERE MAY NEED TO, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS, UM, SINCE THAT THE YEAR STARTS IN JANUARY OF 2026, WHICH IS THE NEXT A YEAR BUDGET YEAR RIGHT. THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, JUST TRYING TO PLAN FOR IT SO WE CAN CELEBRATE APPROPRIATELY AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE EFFORTS ARE TIED TOGETHER ON THE 250TH WHATEVER. RIGHT. THE 2026, THE 250TH THING. I DON'T YEAH, YOU ALL HAVE STARTED SOMETHING. WE DUNNO WHAT I'LL HAVE TO START EARLY. YEAH. MM-HMM . BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO WE JUST WELL IT'S GONNA WHIP HER DR EXPERIENCE IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HONOR REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS FROM THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S GREAT. 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE ALL KINDS OF CELEBRATIONS GOING ON AND THIS IS JUST ONE THE HISTORIC BOARD WILL DO. MM-HMM . AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL PRINT WOOD SOLDIERS AND WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD LIST THAT WE'RE IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I HAD SENT YOU ALL LONG LIST OF IN AN EMAIL YESTERDAY OF SOME ITEMS I WAS GONNA MENTION TODAY, BUT SINCE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, ANYBODY EVEN HAD TIME TO READ THROUGH THAT. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING OF THAT, IF NOT, WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT EMAIL. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.