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BEING HERE.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing October 24, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the October 28th Agenda, the below items will be discussed: Murray Lane Median Work Windy Hill Construction Update This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
A BEER BOARD NEXT MONDAY NIGHT AT 6 45.IT'S A, UH, NEW BUSINESS HARRINGTON ROW THAT'S GOING IN THE OLD, UH, BRICKS SPACE OVER THERE IN BRENTWOOD PLACE.
I BELIEVE IT'S A GROUP THAT HAS RESTAURANT EXPERIENCE AND EXPERIENCE IN THE SERVING LIQUOR.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO, WHICH YOU ALL WILL ASK THEM.
SO THAT'S AT 6 45 AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL TRY TO SEND YOU A REMINDER ON MONDAY.
REGULAR AGENDA, NO, UM, NO SWEARING INS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
NORMAL OR, UH, DIFFERENT TWO ITEMS ON CONSENT.
THE FIRST IS AN AGREEMENT WITH MIDSOUTH RESTORATION FOR THE PORCH, UH, WORK AT RAVENSWOOD MANSION.
THAT'S A NEW FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
NOW THERE'S A, CHARLES TOOK A PICTURE TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA.
THE PORCH IS PULLING AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
DISCOVERED THE SUPPORTS UNDER IT ARE MM-HMM.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
UM, WE'RE ASKING TO USE MID-SOUTH RESTORATION, WHO WE HAVE USED ON SEVERAL OTHER, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE RENOVATION PROJECTS AS A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDDING.
SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS, WE REALLY JUST DON'T WANT TO GO WITH A LOW BID FROM ANY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
SO, UH, THE CONTRACT PRICE THERE IS 86,285.
AND CHARLES, THE PLAN IS TO APPROVE, TO DO THIS WORK IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, KIND OF IN THE SLOW SEASON OF RENTALS.
WE'VE BLOCKED OFF TIME IN DECEMBER, UH, DECEMBER 22ND THROUGH UNTIL EARLY FEBRUARY WHEN THE HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVENTS.
'CAUSE THIS WAS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT JUST FIXING THINGS UNDER THE PORCH.
ARE THEY ALSO GONNA EXAMINE ANY OTHER SUPPORTS OR ANYTHING? CAN THEY KIND OF DO SOME PRELIM, LIKE JUST KIND OF SOME PREVENTATIVE EYEBALLING THINGS THAT MAY BE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN ASK THEM TO, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OKAY.
BUT I MEAN, WOULDN'T, BECAUSE WE WANNA KEEP THIS HOUSE YES.
EYEBALLS WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, ITEM TWO IS, UM, SOME CHANGES TO OUR GROUP LIFE AND LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE PROGRAMS. UH, JUST A REMINDER, THE CITY PROVIDES $50,000 OF GROUP LIFE INSURANCE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES AND QUALIFYING RETIREES, UH, ON A KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE AS THEY AGE.
UM, AND WE PROVIDE LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE FOR ALL FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AFTER THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE OUR OWN SELF-FUNDED KIND OF SALARY CONTINUATION OR PARTIAL SALARY CONTINUATION PROGRAM FOR A SHORT-TERM DISABILITY.
BUT THE LONG-TERM DISABILITY IS AN INSURANCE PRODUCT.
UM, LAST YEAR, YOU MAY RECALL FOR OUR VOLUNTARY, WHERE IT'S ALL EMPLOYEE PLAY, WE SWITCHED KIND OF OUR BROKER ON THAT TO MARK THREE.
AND THEY BROUGHT US, UH, KIND OF WHAT WE FELT LIKE WAS A BETTER PACKAGE, BETTER SERVICE PROGRAM.
AND SO FOR THIS YEAR, PART OF THEIR VOLUNTARY IS A, THEY OFFER LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
AND THEN WHEN THEY OFFER THAT, ONCE THAT EMPLOYEE HITS TWO YEARS, THAT CEASES AND THEY COME ONTO OUR PLAN AND THEY OFFER VOLUNTARY LIFE, UH, INSURANCE TOO.
SO APRIL, UH, WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THIS YEAR TO LOOK AT OUR LIVES, THE LONG TERM AS THE GROUP PLAN, UM, MARK THREE OFFERED TO, UM, SHOP THAT AROUND AS KIND OF A PACKAGE DEAL AND FOUND ONE AMERICA, WHICH IS, UH, UH, INSURANCE COMPANY THAT WAS WILLING TO TAKE OVER THE VOLUNTARY LIFE, TAKE OVER OUR GROUP LIFE AND OUR LONG-TERM DISABILITY, UM, INSURANCE AT A RATE THAT THE COMBINED SAVINGS ON THOSE TWO WOULD BE ABOUT 30,000 A YEAR.
THAT WILL FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE EMPLOYED ANY GIVEN MONTH AND WHAT THE SALARIES ARE AND ALL THAT.
BUT ROUGHLY BASED UPON A SNAPSHOT OF, RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT A 29,000 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS SAVINGS, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RELUCTANT TO MOVE OUR LONG-TERM DISABILITY INSURANCE, UH, BECAUSE IT HAS A PROVISION IN IT THAT, UM, IN, IN APRIL OR ALREADY, IF I GET THIS WRONG, WHAT WE USED TO CALL OWN OCCUPATION, NOW I THINK IT'S CALLED REGULAR OCCUPATION.
MEANING THAT IF A, IF A POLICE OFFICER FOR US WAS DISABLED IN A WAY THAT THEY COULDN'T BE A POLICE OFFICER, UM, BUT THEY COULD
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DO OTHER THINGS UNDER A LOT OF LONG-TERM DISABILITY BENEFITS, THEY WOULDN'T QUALIFY.'CAUSE THEY, THEY CAN OTHERWISE BE EMPLOYED UNDER OUR POLICY.
IT'S BASED UPON YOUR JOB AND YOUR REGULAR JOB DUTIES.
AND WE NEVER WANTED TO GIVE THAT UP.
UM, HAD TROUBLE FINDING INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT WOULD WRITE THAT PROVISION INTO THE PLAN ONE AMERICA IS THAT IS THE PROVISION IN THE PLAN CORRECT.
SO WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT, UH, IMPORTANT BENEFIT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN VERY PROTECTIVE OF FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND THESE ARE TWO YEAR RATES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW US FOR APRIL, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE MORE.
IT'S HAVING IT ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA OF THE SAME BROKER WILL HELP THEM IN TERMS OF BILLING AND MANAGEMENT OF THE ENROLLMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE THAT SWITCH.
AND THEN EDDIE SEXTON A, A NICE, GOOD BRENTWOOD RESIDENT WHO'S ALSO OUR MARK THREE REPRESENTATIVE.
SO PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD WE THINK.
AND THERE, THERE IS A KIND OF A LITTLE BREAKDOWN OF THE RATES AND STUFF IN THERE.
I'M NOT SURE I CAN READ THAT FOR YOU FROM THERE, BUT IT'S IN THE PACKET.
UM, SO AGAIN, TERM LIFE, UH, NO CHANGE.
THERE'S NO CHANGES IN EITHER OF THESE POLICIES RELATIVE TO THE BENEFITS BEING OFFERED.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST ABLE TO, SHOULD THE RATE AFTER TWO YEARS POP UP SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO, TO THE MARKET.
AND MARK THREE BEING A BIGGER BROKER OF, OF A LOT OF GROUP PLANS HAS A RELATIONSHIP THAT HOPEFULLY FACILITATE THAT.
BUT THAT'S REALLY THE WAY IT IS WITHOUT, WITH ANY OF THESE YEAR, YEAR TO YEAR PRODUCTS.
TWO ITEMS RELATED TO THE RACKET FACILITY.
THE FIRST ITEM IS THE AGREEMENT WITH C AND I DESIGN FOR ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES RELATED TO THE FACILITY.
I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW BRIAN RICHTER, UH, BRIAN'S HERE, UM, WITH CNI, WHO'S BEEN, UM, PART OF THE PROJECT WHEN WE STARTED IT WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY.
BRIAN OBVIOUSLY DOES A LOT OF WORK FOR THE COUNTY.
C AND I HAS DONE WORK FOR US BEFORE TOO.
UM, AND AS THIS HAS EVOLVED, BRIAN HAS VOLUNTARILY STAYED INVOLVED IN IT AND, AND PROVIDED CONTINUED, UM, INFORMATION SERVICES, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH BRIAN AND HIS FIRM.
THEY HAVE PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND HE CAN DELVE INTO IT IF YOU WANT TO, UM, RECREATION, UM, SIDE OF THEIR SERVICE IN, IN ADDITION TO OTHER PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, BUT THIS IS A FULL, THIS WOULD BE THE FULL DESIGN OF THE, UM, FACILITY INCLUDING SITE WORK, INCLUDING THE PARK OFFICE ADDITIONS AND INCLUDING, UH, LOOKING AT CROCKETT ROAD AND TURN LANE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
UM, FEE COST IS JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS, 997,500.
AND THIS WOULD TAKE US THROUGH BIDDING THE PROJECT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN HIS INVOLVEMENT AND HIS SUB'S INVOLVEMENT THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
ALSO, WE'VE TALKED WITH, UH, BRIAN, AND IT'S WRITTEN IN HERE AND HE CAN DISCUSS MORE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT AS WE GO TO BIDDING THIS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO BID THIS IN A WAY THAT THE RACKET FACILITY WILL BE KIND OF ONE COMPONENT.
THE PARK OFFICES WILL BE A COMPONENT AND THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE A COMPONENT.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BREAK THOSE OUT AND KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE AS WE GO THROUGH DESIGN.
IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D, YOU SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE THAT, BUT ONLY AT A CERTAIN CO COST, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AS ALTERNATIVES TO BE BID.
AND THEN YOU MAKE THE CHOICE AFTER THE BID WHETHER TO INCLUDE THOSE OR NOT.
UM, TIMING WISE, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BRIAN IN A SIX TO EIGHT MONTH KIND OF PROCESS? PROBABLY.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER OF A BIDDING, ASSUMING EVERYTHING GOES ON SCHEDULE AND GOES FINE.
UM, FIRST PHASE WILL BE, HE'S DONE A, YOU KNOW, SOME OF WHAT WOULD'VE NORMALLY BEEN THE FIRST PHASE.
BUT THE FIRST PHASE WILL BE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN.
THERE'LL BE SOME DECISION POINTS, UH, ONE OF WHICH IS OKAY, WE GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THE SEVENTH COURT, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER DECIS, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY, UH, DESIGN DECISIONS THAT WE KIND OF MAKE ON THE EARLY END.
AND THEN THEY CARRY THAT THROUGH TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DESIGN.
THERE IS SOME PRICING POINTS WITHIN THE DESIGN IF YOU WANNA COME ON UP, BRIAN, YOU MAY HAVE WHERE HE'LL GET UPDATED PRICING,
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UH, BASED UPON THE DESIGN TO DATE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.THESE ARE HEAVY CHAIRS SO THEY DON'T SLIDE WELL.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S REALLY A STANDARD ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES AS WE WOULD FOR MOST OTHER BUILDINGS.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD IN TERMS OF, WE HAD JUST TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THE DELIVERY PROCESS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THAT COULD GO A COUPLE DIFFERENT PATHS AND WE CAN PRE-QUALIFY GENERAL CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT ONLY CONTRACTORS THAT ARE QUALIFIED AND ABLE TO HANDLE AND HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT BID IT SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LETTING SOMEONE UNDER THE RADAR THAT, UH, THAT COULDN'T HANDLE THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, AND SOME OF YOUR DOCUMENTATION MENTIONED LIKE A FULL TURNKEY APPROACH.
THE, ON THE, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE SEPARATE FROM US, SO IT'S NOT A DESIGN BUILD SITUATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT I SAW THAT INTERESTS ME, UM, AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO EXPOUND UPON IS, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE, IS THAT YOU OFFER SOME SPONSORSHIP COORDINATION MM-HMM.
UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH ON OTHER RECREATION PROJECTS AND THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME LARGER CORPORATE ENTITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, DOING THINGS LIKE THIS WITH DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
AND SO WE CAN PUT THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IN OUR OFFICE, BUT WE CAN PUT THOSE IN, IN TOUCH WITH YOU GUYS TO TALK TO POTENTIALS AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOME, THEY HAVE KIND OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN RECOMMEND ON HOW TO APPROACH AND THINGS YOU CAN EXPECT AS FAR AS SPONSORSHIPS AND THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY MIGHT, THEY EXPECT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADVERTISING OR LABELING OR SOMETHING FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE SURE.
THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING SOME CORPORATE ENTITY TO TALK TO YOU GUYS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SOME NAMING RIGHTS ON COURTS OR THE WHOLE BUILDING OR HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIPS FOR IT.
SO KIRK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN AN OPTION FOR THE CITY, FOR THE COMMISSION? YEAH.
I MEAN WE HAVE A, WE, WE'VE DONE IT OTHER PLACES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ADOPTED, UH, SPONSORSHIP POLICY.
AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE, IT, IT, IN THIS CASE IT IT'S A PARK.
IT WOULD REFER BACK TO THE PARK BOARD TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A, WHAT'S THE MENU OF ALLOWABLE THINGS? OKAY.
WE GOT SEVEN TENNIS COURTS AND EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS.
SO A TENNIS COURT IF YOU WANT YOUR NAME ON THAT, THAT'S, I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS HERE.
AND SO THE PARK BOARD WOULD DO THAT.
YOU ALL WOULD ADOPT THAT AVAILABILITY MENU AND THEN SOMEBODY, WHOEVER YOU WANT PARTNER WITH WOULD KIND OF GO COLD CHOP THAT FOR SMITH PARK GREEN SPACE GROUP, DID THAT.
AND, AND GOT SOME NAMING RIGHT.
SO YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY AN ADOPTED POLICY THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT PROCESS TO DO THAT.
IF, IF THE COMMISSION CHOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THEY COULD ADD THAT LATER.
AND IT'S JUST A SIMPLE ABSOLUTELY.
OR IF YOU WENT WITH A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THAT WOULD BE A SERVICE.
FACILITATE IF YOU WANTED THEM OR SOMEONE LIKE KIRK WAS SAYING THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH BEFORE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FROM US.
YOU CAN DO THAT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO WHAT, IS THERE A NUMBER OF REP, UM, REVENUE THAT CAN COME IN FROM THAT, THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN YOUR OTHER? SPEAKING OF, DO YOU MIND SHARING WITH US SORT OF YOUR BACKGROUND, UM, AND THE PROJECT YOU'VE WORKED ON AND THE SUCCESS RATES AND ALL THAT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, OUR FIRM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 25 YEARS AND I'VE GOT AT LEAST THAT MANY OR MORE YEARS IN RECREATION AND HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE REC CENTERS IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
AND WE WORK FROM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING FROM UTAH TO NEW HAMPSHIRE TO FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, TEXAS, UM, ON RECREATION AND SPORTS PROJECTS.
ONE PRETTY LARGE SIZE ONE IN EASTERN KENTUCKY THAT WE ARE HAVING SOME NAMING RIGHTS AND SPONSORSHIP DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM AS SMALL AS $10,000 TO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPENDING ON WHAT, 'CAUSE THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN KENTUCKY, THERE'S A SPORTS MEDICINE PROGRAM THAT'S POTENTIALLY GONNA HAVE SPACE AND HAVE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANNA APPROACH IT.
AND SO THE, THE NUMBER AND AMOUNT OF SPORTS THAT SPONSORSHIP DOLLARS CAN VARY GREATLY.
AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU GUYS WANNA APPROACH IT.
KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WILL WE OFFER AND WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THAT IN TERMS OF MARKETING.
IT BECOMES A NEGOTIATION EVERY TIME AND WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF IT AND WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, UM, I REMEMBER FROM, UM, PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU HAD NEVER GONE OVER BUDGET ON A PROJECT.
AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? NEVER
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, I'VE NEVER, I DON'T THINK I SAID NEVER
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PART OF WHAT KIRK MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRACKING THE PARKS OFFICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE TRY AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND DESIGN IT ON THE FRONT END WITH POTENTIAL ALTERNATES THAT EITHER COULD BE ADDED OR TAKEN FROM THE PROJECT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDESIGN AND YOU CAN MAKE THE ACTUAL SCOPE, DEPENDING ON HOW THE BIDS WORK ON THE DAY OF BID TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS WITHIN BUDGET.AND SO, AND WE WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WE HAVE LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THAT, UH, WE CHECK THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS TO JUST GET FEEDBACK, UH, THROUGHOUT TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET A SURPRISE ON BID DAY AND IF THERE'S SOME DECISIONS WE CAN MAKE WHILE WE'RE DESIGNING AND DRAWING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE BUDGET CONSCIOUS DECISIONS THAT AREN'T GONNA CREATE MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS OR OTHER FUNCTIONAL PROBLEMS FOR YOU.
WE TRY AND DO THAT AHEAD OF TIME RATHER THAN REACTING TO IT AFTER THE FACT.
SO, UM, IT, IT HAS BEEN VERY RARE.
UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE PROJECT IN OUR FIRM HISTORY THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
WE HAD TO GO BACK AND REDRAW ANYTHING.
SO, AND IT IS PART OF BEING AWARE OF THAT AND KIND OF LOOKING AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE BEING SMART AS YOU DRAW AND NOT THAT'S A GREAT REPUTATION AND HISTORY OF EFFECTIVELY.
I MEAN A LOT OF IT IS, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH CONTRACTORS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVE GIVEN US GOOD FEEDBACK AND WILL TAKE THE TIME AND WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND MAKE CALLS.
AND SAME WITH SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH.
SO, UM, UH, I REMEMBER KIRK, WE HAD SOME CASUAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROAD CONNECTION, UM, IN THERE AND LINE OF SIGHT AND WE SAID MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THIS JUST RIGHT.
DO YOU DO THAT OR IS THAT A SEPARATE YEAH, SO WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS.
WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS, SO I THINK BRIAN'S ORIGINAL STUFF WOULD'VE BEEN HIM DOING THE FACILITY AND THE SITE WORK AND THEN US FINDING RIGHT.
A SEPARATE ENGINEER TO DO THE ROAD AND POSSIBLY BID THAT SEPARATELY.
WE JUST DECIDED HE'S GOT A CIVIL ENGINEERING SUB UNDER HIM THAT WILL DO THE ROAD PART OF IT.
IT WILL JUST BE BID AS ONE BIG PROJECT.
I REMEMBER WE SAID MAYBE THE, WE COULD MAXIMIZE THAT TO GET A LITTLE MORE SITE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT 'CAUSE DEFINITELY WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.
THANK YOU WITH KURT ROLLING THAT IN.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT FELL UNDER YOU OR SOMETHING ELSE.
YEAH, WE DECIDED THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING WITH THIS CONTRACT.
YEAH, I THINK SO ALL OF THE, THE WHOLE THING FROM START TO FINISH BE UNDER DESIGN WITH BRIAN AND THEN BID WITH THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
OTHERWISE YOU JUST, YOU GOT TWO ENGINEERS AND COMING IN PLANS TOGETHER AND YOU CAN POINT TO THE OTHER, I THOUGHT YOU WERE COVERING THAT AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE.
AND SO YEAH, IT IS, IT'S SIMPLER OVERALL TO HAVE A SINGLE AND UM, SAME WITH THE ENTIRE, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING, WE'LL START WITH WHERE WE'VE ENDED AND IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A PROCESS TO WHERE WE GO BACK AND REVIEW WHAT'S WHERE WE ARE TO THIS POINT AND IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE OR, OR BE EDITED FROM THAT, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE DECISIONS.
AND SO AM I HEARING YOU SAY IF THIS PASSES THAT YOU'LL, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WE GO ALONG, HOW WILL THAT WORK FEEDBACK REGARDING, I GUESS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IF WE NEEDED TO MAKE CHANGES OR IF WE NEEDED TO? SURE.
IS IT US THAT YOU'RE HAVING FEEDBACK WITH OR IS IT STAFF AND THAT WOULD BE WHO YEAH, THE CITY, WHOEVER IS APPOINTED TO BE PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, USUALLY WE HAVE A CONTACT EITHER PER OR DAVE OR WHOEVER THAT WE SUBMIT.
WHOEVER GIVES FEEDBACK ON ALL THOSE THINGS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE, THE DETAILS, THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS WOULD BE HANDLED MORE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT BIGGER ISSUES LIKE OKAY, ARE WE DOING THE SEVENTH COURT? ARE WE DOING THIS? WHAT DO YOU WANT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL IN IN A, AFTER A BRIEFING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONCE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS OR EXACTLY.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT DIFFERENT STEPS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO, AND AS YOU GET DEEPER INTO IT, THE DETAILS BECOME MORE OF THE FOCUS AND THE BIG PICTURE THINGS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED EARLY ON, SO, SO THE BIG PICTURE STUFF WOULD COME BACK THROUGH Y'ALL AS WE GET INTO THE, WHAT'S THE RADIUS OF THE PARKING LOT CURVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE STUFF BUT RIGHT.
THE BIG FUNCTIONALITY OF THE FACILITY WOULD COME BACK THROUGH YOU IS AT THAT CHECKPOINTS.
I'M ASSUMING WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE PRELIMINARY HAVE LOOKED AT THIS.
AND WE FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE RACKET CENTER, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARKS OFFICE? IT, DO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE PARKS OFFICE AND HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK? YOU KNOW, HAS DAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT? YEAH.
DAVE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? IT'S GOOD.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT FLEET PARKING.
WE, WE'VE INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, THING THAT HART FREELAND ROBERTS DID YEARS AGO.
WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD IN THEIRS.
DIDN'T WANNA BUILD SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT NO
WELL, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, I DON'T THINK, SEPARATE BATHROOMS FOR PARKS EXACTLY.
WHEN YOU GOT THE BATHROOMS IN THE, YOU
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KNOW, THAT.SO YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A SYNERGY OF SOME THINGS THERE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THERE'S SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE TO BE HAD AND, AND WE DID, DAVE DID PROVIDE A PROGRAM AND SOME REFERENCE FOR US WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT LAID OUT.
SO THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CONCESSION AREA, UM, WHETHER YOU HAVE A CONCESSION AREA OR YEAH.
TODAY IN THE DRAWINGS IT'S A VERY LIMITED RIGHT.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT ALL THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES HAVE ENCOURAGED US TO LOOK AT SOMETHING BIGGER.
SO THAT WILL BE ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS THOSE WE COME BACK TO YOU ABOUT.
AND HE'LL, BRIAN WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW COULD WE EITHER BUILD SOME FUTURE SPACE OR WHATEVER AND THEN WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT? AND THEN THAT'S A DECISION Y'ALL WOULD MAKE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THERE IS A, A LITTLE AREA AT THE, AT THE ENTRANCE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT INCORPORATING CONCESSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT TODAY, UP TO DATE, AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT A COOLER WITH WATERS AND COKES AND SOME, YOU KNOW, PACKAGED STUFF AND THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE IT.
SO NO KITCHEN PREP AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S KNOWING THAT I THINK BRIAN WILL HAVE SOME IDEAS AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO Y'ALL.
SO YEAH, I THINK AS A WHOLE I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN TOWARD THINGS THAT AREN'T REQUIRING HOODS AND DRYERS AND ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
A WARMING KITCHEN KIND OF APPROACH IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ON THE TABLE.
JUST LIKE EVERYTHING WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROGRAM FOR THE PROJECT.
THANKS FOR HANGING IN WITH US FOR OVER TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS.
HOW LONG AGO IT BEEN
SO I, I'VE HAD QUESTIONS I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT ABOUT COSTS AND ALL THAT AND WHERE WE'RE AT AND, AND THE FEW OF YOU THAT I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH, AND BRIAN AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE ARE REFERRING BACK TO IS, UM, IN THE CIP WE'RE SHOWING FUNDING PLAN OVER SEVERAL YEARS, INCLUDING WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED OF $18 MILLION.
IF WE GO BACK TO THE JANUARY BRIEFING, WHICH IS NOW WHATEVER THAT IS, NINE MONTHS AGO BRIAN HAD AN ESTIMATE THAT WE BROKE DOWN OF ABOUT 13 MILLION OR SO FOR THE FACILITY, INCLUDING DESIGN FEES.
UH, THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY IN IT.
WE WERE PROJECTING A COUPLE MILLION FOR THE PARK OFFICE SPACE, RIGHT.
AND THEN AT THE TIME WE HAD JUST KIND OF PUT OUT THERE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR CROCKETT ROAD WITHOUT REALLY ENGINEERING ANYTHING AND, AND KNOWING THAT, SO ADD THOSE UP, THAT'S 16 MILLION AND, AND MY NUMBER FOR 18 IS SIMPLY THAT WAS 16,000,009 MONTHS AGO.
YOU'RE NINE MONTHS FROM POSSIBLY BEING AT A POINT OF CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVEN'T FULLY DESIGNED ANY ROAD WORK OR EVERYTHING.
SO TO ME, 16 TO 18 MILLION IS JUST ANOTHER KIND OF BUFFER OF CONTINGENCY.
UM, I SHARED WITH YOU SOME NUMBERS THAT AMERICAN CONSTRUCTORS HAD PUT TOGETHER THAT WAS WELL INTO THE $20 MILLION RANGE.
UM, BRIAN HAS, HAS REGROUPED WITH A COUPLE OF HIS CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW.
WE WOULD STILL BE COMFORTABLE AT THE 18 MILLION NUMBER.
NOW I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT WON'T GROW AS WE AS THIS HAPPENS JUST BECAUSE OF THE MARKET OR Y'ALL DECIDE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND ADDITIONS.
BUT, UM, FOR NOW, THAT IS THE NUMBER WE STILL BELIEVE IS A TARGET NUMBER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND WE DID BACK CHECK WITH CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE WORKED HERE IN BRENTWOOD.
UM, ONE SPECIFICALLY THAT BUILT THE SPLASH PAD IN THE GYM AT ISC.
SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY FAMILIAR WITH YEAR END, MIDDLE TENNESSEE AND EVERYTHING AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
AND ARE THEY STILL HOLDING AT THE 13 MILLION MARK? THEY'RE, THEY LOOKED BACK THROUGH INCLUDING THE ROAD WORK AND THE PARK OFFICES AND EVERYTHING AND THEY SAID THAT OUR OVERALL BUDGET, THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS IN LINE WITH WITH AT 13.
THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT IT IN PIECES TO THAT LEVEL AND EVERYTHING, BUT THE TOTAL SCOPE THAT WE WERE TOSSING ABOUT, THEY FELT LIKE OUR BUDGET WAS STILL FELT THAT 18 WAS A, A DOABLE NUMBER.
SO THEY'VE BEEN SOME TIME LOOKING AT THE INGRESS, EGRESS, THE PAD AREA.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGER UNKNOWN.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME GEOTECHNICAL INFORMATION NOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE SURVEY AND SO WE'VE STARTED TO GATHER SOME OF THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THE ROAD ONE IS, IS, IS KIND OF THE UNKNOWN BECAUSE EXACTLY WE DON'T, IF YOU GET INTO SIGHT LINES AND HAVING TO CUT DOWN A, A LONGER AREA ROAD, THEN THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, GETS INTO A BIGGER NUMBER OR WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MOVING THE ELECTRIC LINE, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE UNKNOWNS.
I MEAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK A MILLION DOLLARS FOR JUST A TURN LANE IS SUFFICIENT, BUT UNTIL WE ENGINEER, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.
AND WE DID LOOK AT A BASIC LAYOUT FOR THAT, BUT IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE TESTED AND ENGINEERED PROPERLY AND EVERYTHING.
SO DID YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER THAT WOULD BE DOING THAT, HAS HE BEEN ON, HE OR SHE BEEN ON SITE YET TO KIND OF JUST THEY HAVE.
THEY HAVE AND THEIR COMPANY ACTUALLY DID THE SURVEY THAT WE'RE
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WORKING FROM.AND THEY'LL BE INVOLVED AS MOVING FORWARD TOO IF THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
BRIAN WILL BE THERE ON, I THINK YOU'LL BE THERE MONDAY NIGHT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOR.
OKAY THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS JUST YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH AN RFP PROCESS, UH, FOR POTENTIAL MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THE FACILITY.
YOU KNOW, I SHARED WITH YOU KIND OF THE FEEDBACK I HAD FROM SEVERAL OF THE FIRMS. UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE, UH, IF THIS PROJECT IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY ONLY PROJECT, WE WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND CONSIDERATION OF PRIVATE MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
SO THE FIRST STEP OF THAT IS, IS OBVIOUSLY DOING AN RFP, DOING AN RFP DOESN'T OBLIGATE YOU TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT WITH THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP FOR ANY RFP, YOU SEE THESE AGENDA ITEMS ALL THE TIME.
UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY ISSUE THIS REQUEST IN EARLY NOVEMBER, GET 'EM BACK IN DECEMBER.
UM, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY FIRMS THAT DO THIS.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 10 OR 12, I DON'T THINK.
I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET THAT DOWN TO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS, IS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE MANAGED RACK FACILITIES AND NOT JUST OUTDOOR PARKS AND WHATEVER.
SO, UM, TAKE DECEMBER FOR STAFF TO KIND OF REVIEW AND SCORE THAT AND THEN, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, PRESENT, UH, A RECOMMENDATION OR A TOP TWO FIRMS, UM, TO YOU ALL IN JANUARY.
AND IT MAY BE, AND YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT TODAY, BUT IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE JUST FOR Y'ALL TO GET THE TOP FIRM OR TWO IN FRONT OF YOU JUST SO YOU ALL CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT REALLY IS ABSOLUTELY GOOD AND WHAT THAT MEANS BEFORE YOU DECIDE IF THAT'S REALLY WHY YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THAT WOULD LIKELY BE IN JANUARY.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SCHEDULE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE MANAGEMENT STUFF AND BECAUSE I I SENT YOU ALL THAT IN EMAIL, WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, WHO OTHER THAN STAFF WILL YOU INVOLVE IN THE, UH, THE RFP IN? WERE YOU, UH, IN THE WRITING OF THE RFP, WERE YOU INVOLVE, UH, ANYBODY THAT WAS ON THE WRITING? WELL, BRIAN'S LOOKED AT IT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL ROUTE STUFF.
AND IF WE HAVE ANY EXPERTS IN IT, I MEAN, I'VE GOT SAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES AND THOSE COMPANIES THEMSELVES THAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S PRETTY, UM, STRAIGHTFORWARD SCOPE.
I'M BE GLAD TO SHARE A DRAFT WITH Y'ALL.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD BE, IF YOU WENT FORWARD WITH THEM, I MEAN IT WOULD BE BRINGING THEM ON BOARD PRETTY QUICKLY TO WORK WITH BRIAN, UM, ON ANY DESIGN TYPE OF THINGS THAT THEY FEEL MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE OPERATION OF IT FROM THEIR SIDE OF IT.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL PRE-OPENING SERVICES AS CONSTRUCTION'S HAPPENING.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH WHOEVER STAFF FOR YOU ALL TO DEVELOP.
WHAT ARE THE POLICIES? WE'RE GONNA DO A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM, WHAT DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
WOULD THEY HELP, WOULD THEY KNOW MARKET RATE FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA OF WHAT THEY COULD, WHAT WOULD BE, I THINK THEY WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO GET THAT OR WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, US PROVIDED WHATEVER THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE.
BUT THEY WOULD, YEAH, ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, THEY'D BE, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO AN OPENING DATE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIRING STAFF, THEY WOULD START MARKETING AND PROMOTIONS.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM, SELLING MEMBERSHIPS A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE, AND THEN SO AT DAY ONE IT'S READY TO OPEN.
SO YOU WOULD BE PAYING THEM AN UPFRONT, KIND OF A LUMP SUM FEE DURING THAT PRE-OPENING PERIOD.
AND THEN POST-OP WOULD BE A MONTHLY FIXED FEE.
UM, IS IS KIND OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IT WOULD GO BY.
WOULD THE FACILITY, UH, WOULD THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY RUN THE, I'LL CALL IT AN APP FOR RESIDENTS TO SIGN IN AND DO ALL THAT? WELL THEY RUN ALL THAT OR THAT BE NO, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HANDLE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
EVERYTHING MARKETING, ALL REGISTRATION, SIGN UP, REGISTRATION, ALL THAT WOULD BE BRINGING MONEY.
WE DEVELOP A WEBSITE AND OKAY.
IT COULD EITHER BE EMBEDDED IN OURS OR A SEPARATE WEBSITE.
BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD ALL BE THEIRS.
THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SOME FINANCIAL REPORTING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, UH, COMING THROUGH THE CITY, BUT, MM-HMM.
AND THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE A VOICE IN, UM, THE, THE MARKET RATE OR THE CHARGING RATES.
YOU ALL WOULD SET THE POLICIES AND THE RATE.
NOW AGAIN, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO BE, OH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TUESDAY AND WE GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE RATE, SO WE WANNA CHANGE, YOU KNOW, BUT I, ONCE A YEAR YOU'D RESET THE PROGRAM AND ALL THAT STUFF LIKE WE DO WITH PARK FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY WOULD BE RUNNING IT AS YOU SET THE, THE STANDARDS FOR THEM TO RUN IT UNDER POLICIES, MEMBERSHIP PRIORITIES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
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GOING TO USE THEIR APP, ET CETERA.I MEAN, WE MADE A BIG DEAL OUTTA THIS FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THE BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS GET A PRIORITY, UH, SOMEHOW SOME WAY.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S, WELL THAT AGAIN, YOU ALL WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEM IN THAT PRE-OPENING PERIOD TO ESTABLISH ALL OF THOSE POLICIES AND RATES AND SCHEDULES AND WHAT'S THE PRIORITY UP TO HOW MANY DAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WOULD FINALLY ADOPT AND TELL THEM TO OPERATE UNDER THOSE POLICIES.
WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING BRACKET, THE COURTS? WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO INCORPORATE THOSE WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE RFP, THE POTENTIAL? WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE DAY ONE, BUT THE POTENTIAL, IF IT, IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN, THAT THEY COULD ALSO JUST TAKE OVER THE, UH, MANAGEMENT OF THE OUTDOOR TENNIS COURT MANAGEMENT SCHEDULE TO THAT YEAH.
AND JUST KIND OF, THAT MIGHT HELP THEM KIND OF FACILITATE.
THEN DAVE WAS THE ONE THAT KIND OF SUGGESTED, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT MAY HELP THEM PROGRAM AND, AND FACILITATE SOME, SOME THINGS TO HAVE BOTH OPTIONS DURING THIS OUTDOOR SEASON.
IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT THAT WOULD BE THERE, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL ADD-ON TO THE SERVICES.
SO AGAIN, ALL THIS DOES IS AUTHORIZE US TO DO IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO, TO MAKING THAT DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND THAT WILL BE IT FOR THE AGENDA.
UH, OTHER ITEMS, MURRAY LANE, VN, UH, WE SENT YOU ALL OF THE PICTURES OF WHAT, UM, TODD'S CREW DID FOR A LITTLE SECTION.
I'LL REFER BACK FROM MOST OF YOU, NOT ALL.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST WANTING TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, AS TO THE DEGREE OF ANY CLEANUP, AND I'M USE THAT WORD LOOSELY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU KNOW OF, OF, OF THE MEDIAN.
IT'S AN IDEA WE'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE'VE NEVER FELT LIKE WE HAD A COMFORT LEVEL OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S VISION WAS OF THE END RESULT.
SO WE PICKED A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW, LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET, I THINK, UM, SECTION ON THE VERY, UH, EAST END OF IT, NOT IN FRONT OF ANYBODY'S HOME.
WE HAD A LITTLE DRAINAGE BREAK POINT THERE THAT SEEMED LIKE A LOGICAL SECTION.
SO WE DID WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER ON THE RIGHT THERE TO BE THE, THE FULL CLEAN OUT, SO TO SPEAK, LEAVING PRIMARILY JUST THE MATURE TREES AND TAKING ALL OF THE UNDERGROWTH.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE A MATURE TREE? HOW MANY CALIBER INCHES? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE THAT SCIENTIFIC OF IT.
UM, YEAH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS METHODS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY TWO INCHES WAS KIND OF TOSSED AROUND.
PART OF THE PROBLEM IS OVER THE YEARS THAT THAT HAS BEEN STRAIGHT FACED, YOU KNOW, PRUNED BACK ONCE A YEAR ANNUALLY AND EVEN IN THIS 60 FOOT SECTION, GIVE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME TWO THREE INCH CALIBER TREES THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD STRUCTURE TO THEM ONCE YOU START DOING SOME OF THE THINNING OF THE GROWTH AROUND THEM.
YOU HIT AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE, THAT'S A CAUTION THAT I MIGHT ACTUALLY PUT OUT THERE, IS THESE TREES DON'T HAVE GREAT SHAPE TO THEM.
MANY OF THEM ARE KIND OF ONE SIDED IN, IN THE WAY THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PRUNED AND MAINTAINED IN A WAY WHERE THEY'VE GOT A GREAT CANOPY.
SO YOU KIND OF EXPOSE THAT, CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CLEANUP.
UM, SO I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A TWO INCH CALIPER, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE WERE SOME TWO INCH CALIPERS THAT GOT REMOVED AS A PART OF THIS CLEANUP JUST BECAUSE YEP.
THERE'S NOTHING BUT A LITTLE GREEN WHIP AT THE TOP AND IT, IT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE A PEACOCK FEATHERS IN THE WAY IT GREW.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN STRAIGHT FACED SO MANY TIMES.
I, I NOTICED THAT THE, WHAT LITTLE BIT OF THE WALL IS STILL REMAINING THERE.
AND, UH, I HONESTLY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS WALL SECTION IN THAT, THAT IN THAT SECTION PIECE OF THE MEDIAN SECTION.
UM, SO I THINK WE'D BE SURPRISED, UM, TO SEE HOW MUCH WALL REMAINS.
AND THAT WILL HELP US DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SECTIONS WE WANNA TRY AND REHAB OVER TIME.
UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE END GOAL IS.
IS IT TO JUST KIND OF COUPLE TIMES A YEAR GO THROUGH AND WEED, EAT ANY VOLUNTEER GROWTH FROM COMING UP AND JUST KINDA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY.
IS THERE A DESIRE TO CREATE A MORE MANICURED MULCH BED OR TRY AND ESTABLISH TURF? WHICH I'LL BE HONEST, THAT WE'RE A LONG WAYS FROM THAT AND IT WOULD JUST INCREASE MAY MAINTEN MAKES.
UM, BUT THERE, THERE'S DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.
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SO PERSONALLY, UM, AND I CONVEYED THIS TO KURT.YEAH, I THINK, UH, THE AFTER LOOKS REALLY GOOD, UM, AND GOING THROUGH AND WEED EATING IT A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND THEN A LIMB UP, UH, WHERE YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THE, UH, THE SUCKERS ON THE TREES, UH, EVERY TWO, THREE YEARS, WHATEVER.
UM, IT LOOKS, UH, A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR, UH, ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT, UH, FROM RESIDENTS OVER IN THAT AREA.
SO WE, WE PULLED THE HOA BOARDS SPECIFICALLY OF, UH, PRINCETON HILLS AND MCGAVOCK.
AND THE, THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN FAIRLY POSITIVE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY REALLY PUT THAT OUT TO THEIR MEMBERSHIP, UH, FOR FEEDBACK.
WE GET THAT THOSE RESPONSES TOO QUICKLY TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ACCURATE.
BUT THE BOARDS THEMSELVES WERE GENERALLY IN FAVOR.
UM, IT SEEMS, SEEMS TO BE MOSTLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
UM, ONE THING I'LL ALSO MENTION IS THERE'S A LOT OF VINE AND THINGS THAT GROW AROUND THESE TREES AND BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN MANICURED OR MAINTAINED FOR SO MANY YEARS, IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE ALL THAT.
WE'RE SEVERING THAT AT THE GROUND, SO IT'S GONNA DIE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE SOME, SOME OF THAT GREENERY DIE OFF.
WE'RE AT A TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FALL JUST KIND OF, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT OF GOOD PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE VIEWED AS THE GREENERY OF A TREE COULD HAVE BEEN THIS INVASIVE THAT'S NOW BEEN CUT BACK.
AND SO WE JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT THE OVERALL LOOK WILL BE ONCE IT'S CLEANED UP.
BUT THE FEEDBACK SO FAR IS POSITIVE
BUT I JUST, I SAY THAT WITH A CAUTION BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO TELLING THE SHAPE OF THE TREE FOR ONE THE CANOPY AND WHAT, WHAT ALL IT WILL REVEAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WHEN YOU SAY VINE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PREDOMINANTLY POISON IVY, RIGHT? YEAH, POISON IVY, POISON OAK, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SPECIES, BUT VINE SCROLL OUT AROUND HERE.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, AND SOME OF IT, YOU KNOW, IS TWO INCHES IN DIAMETER ITSELF.
I THINK THAT HELPS THE OVERALL TREE'S HEALTH.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA KILL OFF.
I DROVE BY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES ON SATURDAY WHEN I WENT TO VOTE AND THEN I ACTUALLY NEEDED TO GO TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE OFF OF CLOVER CROFT.
SO I DROVE BY IT AGAIN AND THEN I'M DRIVING AND GOING DOWN WILSON PIKE AND I WAS LIKE IMMEDIATELY COMPARISON OF THIS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO ON SOUTH ON WILSON PAST RAVENSWOOD AND IT'S THAT MEDIAN, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S DIVIDED AND IT'S KIND OF CLEARED OUT, I'M LIKE, IT IT, I MEAN THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S NICE TO, IT JUST KIND OF WAS REMINISCENT OF THAT, OF IT JUST BEING TAKEN CARE OF AND, AND LOOKING NICE.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, ONE REQUEST I MAKE IS THAT WE PUT SIGNAGE UP IN ONE OR TWO OR THREE SPOTS SAYING THAT THOSE STONES BASICALLY ARE HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS BECAUSE IN THE PAST WHEN THAT WAS FIRST DONE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS PEOPLE TOOK STONES, YOU KNOW, WALKING PATH BEHIND THEIR HOUSE OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHAT THAT SIGN IS THERE.
PROBABLY IF WE CLEAN IT OUT MORE, A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE, WE MAY DISCOVER MORE WALL.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE USED TO RUN OFF LIKE DOWN, SO JUST WHEN, UH, WHEN WAS MURRAY LANE IMPROVED? I CAN REMEMBER BEFORE THIS BOULEVARD.
WAS THE CITY MID NINETIES? IN THE NINETIES? NO, IT WAS PRIOR TO MY 1990.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST A TWO-LANE ROAD AND THEY WERE GONNA MAKE IT A THREE LANE ROAD.
AND REGINA SMITHSON GOT INVOLVED.
THAT WENT, THAT WASN'T SAFE AND IT BECAME A FOUR LANE ROAD.
I'VE SPENT A TIME, MANY OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CABINETS WITH MY FRIEND NICK FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
AND WHEN YOU LEAVE MCGAVOCK TO COME OUT AND TURN AND YOU GO TO THE MIDDLE, WHEN YOU GUYS DO TRIM THOSE TREES, IT'S GREAT.
THAT IS A, THAT'S A COMPLAINT.
WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT ABOUT THE VISIBILITY ON THOSE TURNS.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA JET OUT AND GO AND KIND OF BLOW THAT STOP SIGN ENTIRELY.
UH, IT'S ALL DRIVER COMFORT AND SOMETIMES THE VISUAL OBSTRUCTION GIVES US MORE PAUSE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE
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MIGHT OTHERWISE TAKE JUST A FEELING RESPONSE.I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU WROTE THE HOAS AND, AND I WOULD LIKE MAYBE SAY AGAIN, IF WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, WE SEND THEM ONE MORE NOTE AND SAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD UNLESS WE HEAR SOMETHING MORE, WE GIVE YOU A SECOND.
YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE IF YOU WANNA PULL YOUR RESIDENTS MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK FROM A RESIDENT SIDE WOULD BE NOISE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET MORE NOISE PASSED THROUGH THERE THAT MAYBE PARTICULARLY THE, THE HOMES THAT FACE MURRAY LANE FROM MCG FROM SIDE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT PRINCE HILL HOMES ARE PRETTY FAR BACK.
THEY'RE NOT SEEING BOTH DIRECTIONS OF TRAVEL CURRENTLY AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT POWER LINES NECESSARILY.
THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE GONNA BE MORE VISIBLE TO THEM, UH, GOING FORWARD.
SO IT JUST A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES SAYS I REALLY, I AGREE WE WANNA GET THE HOMEOWNER AND THE HOA FEEDBACK'S.
LIKE I KNOW WHEN THEY DID, UM, UH, OLD HICKORY BOULEVARD A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND NOISE WAS PART OF IT.
AND AS THAT, AS THAT LANDSCAPING'S GOING BACK UP NOW, THEY PUT PRETTY EXTENSIVE RED BUGS ON THE TREES ALONG
SO WHEN WE TOOK IT OUT, THE NOISE CONTROL IS A BIG DEAL ALSO.
LIGHT IS A BIG DEAL AS WHEN WE TAKE ALL THIS, IT COULD BE WITH THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREETS, EACH OTHER'S LIGHTS WHEN THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE.
SO I MEAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT THEY'RE GONNA SEE THERE OR NOT, BUT JUST PAYING ATTENTION AS WE DO THIS TO GET THE, THEIR FEEDBACK.
I MEAN, I THINK THE GOOD NEWS IS IT PROBABLY GROWS BACK IN WHAT, FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
SO IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T LIKE IT, IF THEY'VE GOT PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT UNDER UNDERGROWTH AND STUFF GROW BACK.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE MAINTAIN IT TO THE LEVEL OF CLEANUP THOUGH.
WELL NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF, IF WE DO IT, IF YOU HAD AN UPROAR AND YOU KIND OF BACKED AWAY FROM THAT, YOU COULD JUST LET IT GROW BACK, I GUESS IS WHAT YEAH.
BECAUSE IT'LL EVENTUALLY GROW BACK.
NOW WE CAN'T FLIP A SWITCH AND JUST UNDO IT.
BUT SAY IF WE DO THIS WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS AND THEN THEY'VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH NOISE LIGHT OR OTHER THINGS, OR IF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION SAY, OH NO, WE DIDN'T MEAN DO THAT.
UM, I GUESS IT GROWS BACK EVENTUALLY.
IT'S, I MEAN IT'S MOSTLY HONEYSUCKLE AND VINES, I THINK SOME OTHER STUFF YEAH.
THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY COME BACK TO Y'ALL FOR SOME, SOME INPUT BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE ANY DETERMINATION BECAUSE YOU, UH, AS YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS, SOMEBODY WANTS IT TO GROW BACK AND SOME DOESN'T AND WELL THAT'S TRUE.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A CONSISTENT EFFORT I THINK.
WELL, I I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SIT THIN OUT ANYMORE THAN THAT.
I LIKE THE BUFFER THAT IT PROVIDES.
IT'S ALMOST TOO THIN FOR MY TASTE, BUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T WANT IT SO THAT YOU HAVE TO BE OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS LABOR INTENSIVE AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER PLACES THAT WE NEED TO DO TOO.
KIRK AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
CURRENTLY WE, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT FACE IT ONCE A YEAR AND WE'RE MOWING THE GRASS THROUGH A CONTRACT.
THAT STRAIGHT FACING EFFORT IS PRETTY LABOR INTENSE.
ALTHOUGH IT'S GENERALLY TWO OR THREE DAYS, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TIME TO SEND SOMEBODY THROUGH THERE WITH A WEED EATER A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR GIVEN THAT THAT STRAIGHT FACING WORK WOULD KIND OF COME OFF OF OUR SCHEDULE.
SO I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE'S A GREAT LEVEL OF INCREASE IN MAINTENANCE COSTS OR TIME, ASSUMING WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MANICURE LOT NOW IF RIGHT.
IF Y'ALL DETERMINE YOU WANNA SEE MULCH BEDS AND THINGS, THERE'S CERTAINLY CERTAINLY AN INCREASE, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY YOU SEE IT THERE AND KEEPING IT CLOSE TO THAT YEAH.
AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO STRAIGHT FACE IT ANYMORE.
THAT TIME WILL BE REPLACED WITH JUST A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR.
WE NEED, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE NEED IT A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND THEN OCCASIONAL PRUNING WOMEN.
AND I, AND I WILL SAY, I'M SORRY, GO.
JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TEST SECTION.
WE'LL TRY TO BE CONSISTENT IN WHAT WE KEEP.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TEST SECTION.
I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA, WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT TO SHOW US.
UM, AND IT LOOK, OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS FANTASTIC.
SO WHAT I SEE IT THIS PRUNING CLEANING UP DOING IS IT'S SAVING THE TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY STILL THERE BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THE INVASIVE SPECIES, THE VIRGINIA CREEPER, THE PRI ALL THAT GROW AROUND IT, THEY WILL DIE MORE PREMATURELY THAN NECESSARY, EVEN THE SMALLER TREES.
SO WE'RE SAVING THE TREE LINE THAT'S THERE BY CLEANING IT UP.
AND SECONDLY, WE'RE EXPOSING THAT GREAT ROCK WALL.
IT'S A HUGE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN OUR AREA.
AND THEN OVER TIME WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PATCH THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESTORE THE WHOLE WALL DOWN THE ENTIRE BOULEVARD, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE IT LESS INTERESTING TO PEOPLE WHO MIGHT COME AND PICK IT, UH, TO TAKE IT HOME.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK, UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING WHAT YOU CAN TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY.
SO, SO I HAVE ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION JUST ABOUT SAVORING TREES, BUT I, I KNOW SOMETIMES, AND DAVE THIS
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MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR Y'ALL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE, BUT SOMETIMES WE CHANGE THE TREES ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOT CLIMATE.YOU, YOU CHANGE THE, THE, THE WAY THE WATER WORKS.
SO I KNOW WE MULCH TREES TO HELP RETAIN, YOU KNOW, MOISTURE IN THE SOIL.
WE'RE NOT MULCHING THIS, BUT DO, ARE WE AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING ALL THE UNDERBRUSH AROUND THEM THAT WE EXPOSE A LOT MORE SUNLIGHT AND SOLAR LOAD ONTO THE BASE OF THE TREES AND THE WAY THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND STRESS 'EM? OR DOES THAT NOT REALLY COME UP VERY MUCH WHEN WE DO STUFF LIKE THIS? MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU TAKE THE UNDERGROWTH AND ALL, IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE TREES.
AROUND WATER, IT OPENS THE SOIL.
YOU HAVE MORE WATER IN THE AIR.
BUT YOU, YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT.
I JUST DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER TO IF, IF THERE'S MOISTURE HELD IN THAT UNDERBRUSH LONGER OR MORE BENEFICIAL YEAH.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
AND THERE MAY NOT BE, THERE MAY BE TOO MANY JUST DIFFERENT VARIABLES FROM HOW MUCH MOISTURE THE UNDERGROWTH USES ITSELF TO HOW MUCH YOU, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE SOLAR LOAD, HOW MUCH WATER ACTUALLY REACHES THE GROUND.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S ANY RULE OF THUMB OR ANYTHING YOU'VE NOTICED BY XRAYS.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL REACH, REACH BACK OUT TO THE, TO HOA PRESIDENTS AND SAY, HEY, THE TALK WITH THE COMMISSION, THEY'RE FAVORABLE, BUT THEY PUT STRONG WEIGHT ON MAKING SURE THE HOAS ARE FINE.
SO ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT YOUR ANSWER TO US REPRESENTS WHAT YOU FEEL IS THE, THE OPINION OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS? AND IF SO, PLAN THE REST OF THE WORK OVER THE WINTER MONTHS COMING MONTHS.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK.
AND WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WINDY HILL AND UM, SHOCKING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE UM, UNSUITABLE SOILS AND, AND OUT THERE.
SO, UM, THE FIRST AREA WE'VE GOT ISSUES IS THE, WHAT WE CALL IS THE NORTHERN PARKING LOT OLD SMIRNA ROAD HERE.
THE AREAS IN RED HAVE BEEN FOUND WHEN THEY WERE PROOF ROLLING WHERE THEY TAKE A BIG FULLY LOADED DUMP TRUCK AND RUN IT OVER THERE, UH, TO BE PUMPING AND AND SOFT.
SO IT REQUIRES US TO DIG OUT THOSE AREAS A CERTAIN DEPTH AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEPTH IS.
IT MAY VARY DAVE, IF, YOU KNOW, UM, TAKE ALL THAT MATERIAL OUT, PUT BACK IN, UM, SHOT ROCK AND AND OTHER MATERIAL AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
WE HAD A $200,000 CONTINGENCY, SO WE DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTINGENCY LEFT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, SO THEN AS THEY STARTED GRADING TRAILS ELSE, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN DEPTH THEY GOTTA DIG DOWN TO GET WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO THEN PUT STONE BACK AND THEN PAVE.
AND SO THE EXCAVATION OF OF THAT DEPTH IS ALL PART OF THE CONTRACT, BUT AS THEY'VE GOTTEN INTO IT, SOILS ARE, UM, GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
SO WHAT WE HAD THEM DO, UM, ALL THOSE LITTLE BLUE DOTS IS WE HAD 'EM GO ABOUT EVERY 200 FEET OR SO, 200 FEET AND DIG A TEST PIT AND JUST KIND OF LET US GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'VE GOT ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUPLE MILES OF TRAILS THERE.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE FULL RESULTS BACK THAT WAS JUST DONE LAST WEEK.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LET YOU AWARE OF THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ISSUES OUT THERE WITH SOILS.
ONE SUITABLE SOILS IS, NONE OF THIS IS AT THE ELEVATION.
IT'S JUST TOP SOIL THAT YOU CAN'T, UM, YOU JUST GOTTA GET OUT OF THERE.
WHY IS, WHAT IS IT UNSUITABLE TO LIKE LAY CONCRETE ON TRAILS? YEAH.
IT'S JUST NOT, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, IT'S NOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO SUPPORT.
IT'S NOW IS THIS TRUE OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY? WELL THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING ALL THESE TEST BITS HERE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF IT WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU SEE ROCK OUTCROP CROPPINGS AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE KIND OF BACK IN THIS AREA I THINK.
BUT WE'LL GET THE RESULTS OF WHAT THEY THINK, UM, HOW MUCH TOP SOIL WILL HAVE TO COME OFF THESE TRAILS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO THEN BUILD 'EM BACK SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD IT.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS, CAN YOU REDESIGN IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT? THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IS THE WHOLE THING LIKE THAT WELL, THAT AGAIN, THAT'S, IF YOU SEE ALL THOSE BLUE DOTS THAT'S YEAH.
WELL AGAIN, THAT'S TRYING TO GET A SENSE.
SO IF WE SEE THE SAME CONDITIONS AND ALL THERE, CHANCES ARE IF YOU MOVE 50 FEET ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THE SAME THING.
YOU WOULD JUST DO CUT AND FILL, MOVING, UH, GOOD DIRT, UH, TO AN AREA MOVING, UH, THE, UH, SOFTER DIRT TO ANOTHER AREA WHERE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TRAIL ON TOP OF IT.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE BRINGING IN, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF DIRT OR REMOVING, UH, FROM THE SIDE.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN WOULD BE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A,
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TO GET TO FIND GOOD DIRT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIG BELOW ALL THE BAD DIRT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEN MOVE ALL THAT AROUND.THEY'RE BUILDING PLENTY OF HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND DIGGING UP A TON OF DIRT.
I THINK YOU COULD HAUL IT OVER HERE.
WELL, SO THERE ARE WAYS TO GET SOME DIRT WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND THE MONEY ISN'T, I MEAN, ALL THE MONEY, I MEAN THERE'S PLENTY OF GOOD DIRT BEING DONE.
IT'S NOT THE DIRT NEEDS, IT'S NOT THE DIRT YOU NEED, IT'S THE ROCK HAVING TO GO IN TO SUPPORT IT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN WE, THERE'S PLENTY OF DIRT HERE.
WE GOT TOO MUCH SOFT DIRT, WE DON'T HAVE THE CLAY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT SUPPORTS IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO.
YOU GOTTA, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING LOTS AND THEY'RE DIGGING UP TO CREATE FOUND, NEVERMIND, NEVERMIND.
SO IT WOULD BE TOO LABOR INTENSIVE EVEN IF WE COULD GET IT.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU GOTTA DO IS, IS YOU GOTTA DIG OUT THE, AGAIN, UNSUITABLE IN THIS SOIL IS TOP SOIL SOFT STUFF.
AND THEN IF THAT'S, SO IF THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DIG THIS FAR DOWN AND THEN PUT STONE AND GRASS, NOW YOU GOTTA DIG THIS FAR DOWN.
WELL YOU GOTTA TAKE THAT EXTRA PAY FOR THAT.
THAT'S GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE AND THEN YOU GOTTA BRING OTHER STUFF IN TO FILL BACK UP TO THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO IT'S A SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT HIGH TREE GAP AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE ASSESSING WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
UH, THERE'S JUST, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE SOME TEST PITS AND THEY'RE MEASURING HOW FAR THINGS ARE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME TO US AND SAY, OKAY, WE ESTIMATE WE'RE GONNA HAVE X CUBIC YARDS OF DIRT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET RID OF AND, AND MATERIAL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN TO, TO GET IT.
UM, A FEW OTHER PICTURES THERE, I'M SORRY.
UM, SO HERE'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT TEST PIT DATA TO KIND OF QUANTIFY HOW MUCH SOIL EXCAVATION BEYOND WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE CONTRACT.
THEY EXPECT THE CONTRACTOR HAS COME TO US AND SAY, ANN, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS IS GREAT DIRT FOR CERTAIN USES, NOT FOR BUILDING ON.
UM, HE'S ASKED IF WE ALLOW HIM TO SELL THAT DIRT TO OFFSET OTHER COSTS, THEN I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE ZERO.
BUT INSTEAD OF BEING ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND OR MORE, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT OR SOMETHING.
SO WE'VE GIVEN HIM THE THE OKAY TO START KIND OF FEELING OUT THE MARKET FOR GOOD QUALITY TOP.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF DUCT DUMP TRUCK LOADS OF TOP SOIL THAT'S ALREADY THERE, LET ALONE COMING OUT.
A LOT MORE VALUABLE THAN THE FILL THOUGH.
SO YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE, YEAH.
SO HE, I MEAN HE WOULD NOT PROMISE, I CAN GET YOU TO NET ZERO ON THIS, BUT I CAN OFFSET, WE THINK A FAIR AMOUNT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE HIS LOADING COSTS AND HIS TRUCKING COSTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF OFF THE, THE MARKET VALUE OF THE LOAD.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS OF THAT YET.
UM, DO WE KNOW THAT WE, LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SELL DIRT AND BUY DIRT, SO IS THIS DIRT WELL, YOU'D BE SELLING DIRT AND PROBABLY BUYING ROCK.
I MEAN, SELLING TOP SOIL AND BUYING TOP SOIL BACK.
YEAH, I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT THE SITE IS BALANCED IN OTHER WAYS NOW, HE WON'T SELL ANYTHING THAT IS NEEDED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE YEAH, TOPSOIL'S WAY MORE VALUABLE THAN THE FILL OR THE ROCK OR WHATEVER.
BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, OTHER THAN THE PARKING LOT AREAS YEAH.
AND THE TRAIL AREAS, YOU'RE REALLY NOT TOUCHING MUCH.
SO THERE'S NOT, NOT A LOT OF NEED FOR OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BACKFILLING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE TRAIL.
AND I WOULDN'T KIND, STUFF WOULDN'T, BUT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT HAPPEN IN OUR PROJECTS BEFORE.
SO THE OTHER BUY BACK OPTION WE TALK WITH HIM ABOUT IS, LISTEN, THESE ARE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS.
SO, BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU GOTTA RUN HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT TO BUILD THEM, TO BUILD THEM LOADED ASPHALT TRUCKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF THEY, IF THEY'RE RUNNING IT UP AS THEY'RE BUILDING IT, THEN THAT'S THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT THE USE OF IT GONNA CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH WEIGHT.
BUT THEIR POINT IS, IS I CAN'T BUILD IT IF IT'S GONNA RUN UP AS I GO.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE OF WHERE, UM, KEEP GOING.
I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM UNDER WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE RESTROOMS WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE STABLE ENOUGH, WHICH IS RIGHT.
IS THAT WHERE THAT IS, DAVE? IT IS.
SO CAN WE GOING BUT THEY DID THE RESTROOM, THEY GEOTECH THAT AREA SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY.
IF YOU REMEMBER WE SHIFTED THIS PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT TO GET FARTHER AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE GEO TECHED IN THAT EXACT AREA.
'CAUSE WE HAD DONE THAT BEFORE WE SHIFTED.
BUT WE HAD GEO TECHED WHERE THE BATH, WHERE THE RESTROOMS ARE GOING.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DUMP TRUCKS TAKING DIRT OUT.
AND A LOT OF DUMP TRUCKS BRINGING BETTER DIRT IN ROCK, ROCK ROAD.
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YEAH.UM, HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE? AND ON OLD SMYRNA ROAD, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE THAT BE A LITTLE BIT DISTRESSED BY ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE IT'S GONNA TAKE YEAH.
I DON'T, I DON'T, YEAH, I I WOULD ASSUME WHAT ALL THE SOIL THAT'S HAVING TO GO FROM THE NORTH WOULD GO OUT OLD SMYRNA.
BUT SOME OF IT WOULD GO OUT THE JU SOUTH SOUTH END OUT THE OTHER WAY TO CONCORD ROAD.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TALKING 350 LOADS OF TOP SOIL RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT'S BEFORE THE TRAILS.
BUT THEY, THEY'RE ESTIMATING MAYBE OVER 500 LOADS.
YOU MEAN A LOAD IS A DUMP TRUCK? DUMP TRUCK FULL? YES.
THAT'S WHY I SAY I THINK WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ON OLD SMYRNA ROAD AT SOME POINT.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR, MAKE CONCOR, BUT WHETHER WE CAN MAKE 'EM GO WEST AND NORTH AND NOT OUT THE NARROW SECTION OF OLD SRNA ROAD.
UM, I'M SORRY, MY BRAIN JUST WENT BLANK.
OH, IS THERE A WAY TO, AND BUILDING THE, I KNOW YOU CAN'T FOR THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING LOT HAS TO BE DONE A CERTAIN WAY.
BUT CAN WE ASK THEM TO BUILD THE TRAILS IN A WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET THAT SUPER HEAVY DUMP TRUCK MATERIAL BACK AND CAN DO IT IN A SMALLER PICKUP TRUCK SIZE TRUCK THAT THEN WOULDN'T TAX THE SOIL AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THIS IN THE TRAIL PART SINCE WE ARE JUST LAYING ASPHALT.
LIKE IS THAT AN OPTION OR IS IT NOT AN OPTION? WELL, I MEAN IT CERTAINLY COULD BE AN OPTION, BUT WOULD IT WEIGH THE COST BENEFIT? BUT THE COST? YEAH.
I COST BENEFIT OF BRINGING THE TIME NEEDED.
UHHUH
SO IF, COULD Y'ALL DISCUSS THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT AN OPTION? I MEAN, YEAH, WE CAN ASK THEM.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN, HOW FINELY THEY CAN QUANTIFY IT, BUT WE CAN LEAST OKAY.
AT LEAST HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN VILLAGE.
WELL, THE OTHER CONCERN IS THE DIG.
SO, UM, IT'S UNSUITABLE TO SOIL INDUSTRY TERM OR JUST, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WHEN I READ THAT I WAS LIKE, OH NO, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE CHEMICAL CONTAMINATED? NO, I'M SUITABLE FOR BUILDING THAT.
I'M JUST CALLING IT THE SOFT SOIL OR SOMETHING.
I, I GOT A, I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE'D SAY CONTAMINATED AS FAR.
SO WE'LL AGAIN, WANNA LET YOU KNOW ONE THAT MOST OF THE CONTINGENCY HAD BEEN ABSORBED IN THE, THE PARKING LOT THING.
THE SOUTH PARKING LOT WAS FINE DOWN OFF, OFF THE ROOM MEET.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE.
UM, SO JUST WE WORKING THROUGH IT, BUT KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE ORDER OF SOME POINT COMING ONCE WE GET SOME BETTER HANDLE ON THAT.
SO JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF DO YOU REMEMBER, LET YOU KNOW THE STATUS AND WHAT IS LIKELY COMING.
REMEMBER BALLPARK, WHAT WE HAD TO ADD FOR HOLLY TREE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE HAD TO DO THE SAME THING.
THE ISSUE THERE IS, IS UM, THAT CONTRACT HAD SOME QUANTITIES AND SOME UNIT PRICES IN IT.
AND SO WE DIDN'T, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE, THE ORIGINAL FIRST NUMBER AROUND THE PARKING LOT WAS 230,000.
AND SO WE GOT IT DOWN TO 180 6 AND THAT WAS ABOUT ALL THEY COULD DO.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER ISSUE OUT THERE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS HAVE A, A PAVED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION COMING IN FROM QURAN DELAY HERE OFF OF SHENANDOAH.
THIS IS A UNUSED RIGHT AWAY CITY RIGHT AWAY.
SO THE PLANS HAD FOR US TO PAVE A TRAIL THROUGH THERE AND WE KNEW THERE WERE TREES AND ALL THAT.
SO AS WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF IDENTIFYING THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM SHENANDOAH, UM, AND STICKING OUT THE TRAIL.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHILE YOU LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S A PRETTY CLEAR PATH FOR A TRAIL.
AND, AND THAT'S TRUE UNTIL YOU REALIZE ALL THE TREE ROOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE TO TEAR UP.
AND SO THE PLAN, IF WE MOVE FORWARD AS DESIGNED, WOULD REMOVE THREE LARGE TREES, THOSE TWO THAT YOU SEE WRAPPED AROUND THERE, OAK TREES AND THEN ONE A LARGE, UH, PINE TREE OR WHATEVER THE CASE WOULD BE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE WAY OF THE TRAIL, BUT YOU WILL KILL THEM 'CAUSE THE ROOTS ARE AT THE SURFACE.
AND TO DRAIN IT, ONCE YOU PUT A TRAIL IN, YOU GOTTA CUT A LITTLE SWALE SO THAT EVEN IS A LITTLE DEEPER.
SO THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN WE JUST IGNORE CONCERNS.
SO THE NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE, ONCE THEY PUT THE YEP.
TAPE ON THE TAPE PROPERLY, UH, YEAH.
SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN'T YOU DO ANY, WHAT CAN YOU DO? SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY
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OF OPTIONS.UM, AND THOSE ARE, WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD AS PLANT, UM, CUT DOWN THOSE TREES.
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS PLANT AND NOT CUT 'EM DOWN AND JUST SEE WHETHER THEY LIVE AND KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE IF THEY DIE AND A LITTLE MORE LIABILITY IF THEY WERE TO BE DISEASED AND FALL ON SOMEBODY'S HOME OR THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE, WE WOULD DEAL WITH 'EM BEFORE, UM, ONCE WE SAW THEY WERE ONCE WE SAW IT.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, MOST OF THE LANDSCAPE FOLKS WOULD TELL YOU THEY WILL DIE.
IT'S JUST WHEN YOU GET 'EM REMOVED NOW WHEN IT'S IN THE CONTRACT OR YOU PAY FOR IT LATER, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT ARE THE EL DOING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ELEVATED BOARDWALK WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, CUT THE, THE ROOTS.
UM, AND WE JUST GOT NUMBERS YESTERDAY.
YOU, YOU'D SAVE NOT BUILDING WHAT WAS PLANNED.
THE NET COST IS ABOUT $60,000 OF AN INCREASE TO DO A WOODEN BOARDWALK.
UM, BUT NOT HAVE TO LOSE THE TREES.
IS THE, ARE THE TREX BOARDWALKS, ARE THEY SIMILAR TO LIKE THE BRIDGES AND DEERWOOD OR SOME OF THOSE? IS THAT, I KNOW THERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ELEVATED LIKE THAT, THAT ARE SLICK AS CAN BE IF THEY GET WET AT ALL.
WE'D HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES YEAH.
SO BEING BIKE ACCESSIBLE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T RIDE THEIR BIKES OVER THOSE BRIDGES BECAUSE OF HOW SLICK THEY ARE.
SO, SO IT'S STILL NOT REALLY BIKE ACCESSIBLE.
AND YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK DOWN IT, IT, IT WOULD BE AT CERTAIN TIMES, MAYBE NOT OTHER TIMES.
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO NOT DO A, AN IMPROVED TRAIL AND JUST DO A MULCH TRAIL.
IT'S NOT BIKEABLE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S AN ACCESS POINT FOR WALKERS.
UH, OR JUST NOT BUILD ANYTHING THERE AT ALL.
YOU GOTTA GO UP FIVE OR SIX HOUSES AND AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU CAN GET IN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK.
UM, I THINK IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL, YOU'LL GET SOME COMPLAINT FROM THE NEIGHBORS ONE BECAUSE IT'S HAD BEEN PLANNED.
THEY'LL START USING IT ANYWAY ANYWAY.
IF YOU DID THE MULCH TRAIL, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF AN IMPROVEMENT AT THE DRAINAGE DITCH.
'CAUSE THAT'S A, THERE'S A SPRING AND THAT'S A STREAM.
WE HAVE TO PIPE THAT IN SOME WAY.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KIND OF PITCHING THIS OUT THERE TO YOU.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE DID MUCH EITHER DIDN'T DO IT OR DID THE MULCH TRAIL, THEN THERE IS SOME SAVINGS THERE THAT COULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE OTHER INTERNAL TRAIL COSTS.
AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK LATER AND DO SOMETHING TOO.
IF YOU CAN YOU REPLACE THOSE TREES AND I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW IF YOU PUT SMALLER TREES IN THERE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT BACK THERE MAYBE A'S US THAT GROW TALL, THAT BLOCKED THAT? OR, OR TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REPLACED A TREE, YOU'VE TAKEN THE ROOTS OUT AND THE NUDE ROOTS GROW.
I KNOW, BUT I DON'T, I KNOW DAVE, WE HAD THE ORIGINAL PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN A FOUR BOARD FENCE.
WAS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING PLANING? THERE WASN'T LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT, AND WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD IT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE MATURE TREES.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T REPLACE S NOT AS MUCH THE SCREENING PART OF IT IS, IT'S JUST THE, THE SHADE AND THE, THE TREE TO THE USA GOING IN THERE AND CUTTING
WELL THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING IF YOU REPLACED THEM.
THE LONGER EFFECT PROPERTY LINES ALSO RUN VERTICALS.
SO IS THERE ANY PART OF THE TREE CANOPY THAT GOES ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY? PROBABLY, YEAH.
IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU REALLY CAN'T, THIS KIND OF, DAVE, IF I'M WRONG, THIS NOTCH OUT HERE IS THERE'S AN ELECTRIC LINE RUNNING YEAH.
I THINK BACK TO THE HOUSE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS GUY OVER HERE, AT LEAST ONE OF HIS BRANDING IS HEADED UP OVER THE PROPERTY.
IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.
IF YEAH, I'M I'M SURE THAT PARTES ARE HANGING ONTO HIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S OVER HIS DRIVEWAY THERE.
COULD, COULD WE START WITH A MULCH PATH AND THEN JUST SEE HOW IT GOES AND THEN YEAH.
THAT HELPS SAVE SOME MONEY THERE.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT PROVIDES SOME ACCESS AND THEN MM-HMM.
AND THE MA NEIGHBORS WOULD KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING A LESSER QUALITY TRAIL IN BECAUSE OUR INTENT IS TO SAVE THE TREES.
SO THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU, WHEN DOES THIS DECISION NEED TO BE MADE? UM, UM, I MEAN I, DAVE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE TODAY.
WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS THEY'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING DOING THIS WORK IN THE SPRING.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO LET 'EM KNOW SOMETHING.
IF WE DO AN ELEVATED, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TIME TO DO SOME SMALL PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE WANT ELEVATE IT BECAUSE THEN YOU ALSO MAY HAVE TO RAMP IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEXITY INVOLVED.
I'M MORE INCLINED TO MULCH IT.
I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE BIKE ACCESS, BUT IF THEY HAVE TO GET OFF THEIR BIKE TO WALK IT TO THE TRAILER FOR THE DISTANCE OF ONE HOUSE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND Y'ALL, I MEAN, TAKE SOME TIME AND TAKE A DRIVE BY
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THERE YOURSELF AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF Y'ALL WANT TO.WELL I REMEMBER TAJ WOLF WAS SO COOPERATIVE IN MEADOW LAKE WHEN THERE WAS THAT, THAT EASEMENT THAT WENT PAST HER YARD TO THE, TO THE UH, PARK AREA TO THE BACK TO THE, YEAH.
AND THESE TWO NEIGHBORS, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY AND NOT THEIRS, BUT THEY'VE MAINTAINED IT, THEY CONSIDERED, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN VERY AGREEABLE ABOUT HAVING A PATH PUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEIR HOMES.
AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN BECAUSE THAT IS A MAJOR DISRUPTION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT AT SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE GONE AND YOU'VE GOT AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE GOING BY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DOOR RIGHT THERE.
SO I, I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER, I MEAN, I'D RATHER PUT THE TRAIL DOWN AS WE PLAN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TREE ROOTS.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT TAKES YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS FOR ROOTS TO WRAP AROUND SOMETHING AND DESTROY IT.
I, I THINK THE MULCH IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO BECAUSE OF THE TREE.
I DON'T WANT LOVE TO KEEP THE TREES INTACT AND HEALTHY AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF WE DIG INTO THAT GROUND, IT'S GONNA DISTURB THOSE ROOTS AND THE ROOTS ARE GONNA THEN MAKE THE TREES DIE.
SO I WOULD RATHER TRY WITH A MUL MULCH PATH FIRST, AND THEN IF WE SEE IT'S NOT A COMBINTION MULCH, JUST, THERE'S SUCH A NUISANCE.
IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO USE MULCH IF THEY'RE ON A, UNLESS THEY'RE PER FIT, VERY PHYSICALLY FIT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE ON WALKERS OR WHEELCHAIRS OR BABY STROLLERS, WHATEVER.
AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WAY.
UM, MULCH ALSO A GOOD HEAVY RAIN MULCH RUNS POSSIBLY INTO THE YARDS AND OUT IN THE STREET.
I, I MEAN I MULCH WOULD BE MY LAST CHOICE OF SOMETHING UNLESS IT WAS UP IN THE WOODS SOMEWHERE.
HAVE WE DONE A CHECK ON THIS SECTION TO SEE IF IT'S UNSUITABLE SOIL AS WELL? AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIG OUT PRETTY DEEP AND GO BACK IN.
NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I, I KIND OF THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD IF THAT WHOLE AREA IS SOFT SOIL BECAUSE THAT MAY ANSWER OUR QUESTION ON HOW FAR WE HAVE TO DEEP AND HOW GO DIG AND HOW MANY ROOTS WE'RE GONNA GET INTO.
SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T WANNA DIG IN DAMAGED ROOTS, SO WE'RE
BUT LIKE IF, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY CAN TAKE SAMPLES.
IT MAKE THEM PROBE IT AUGER, AUGER A HOLE AND SEE WHAT'S, YEAH.
WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO DO THAT THEN.
WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF KNOW HOW DEEP WE GOTTA GO AND WELL LET US, LET US DO THAT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, LET FRASER FIRST WE'VE GOT OUT AS BUFFERS BETWEEN LIKE THE COOL SPRINGS HOUSE AND THE SCHOOL NEXT DOOR THAT GROW PRETTY QUICK.
IF WE GOT RID OF TREES, DID THE PATH AND THEN PUT THESE IN.
ARE THERE ROOT SYSTEMS THAT EXTENSIVE OH, NOT AS MUCH AS THESE.
THAT WAY IT WOULD SCREEN THESE NEIGHBORS FROM HAVING A STREAM OF PEOPLE WALKING RIGHT BY THEIR HOUSE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS AND LOOKING IN THEIR BACKYARD EVERY, BUT THOSE HAVE REALLY WORKED WELL AS A BUFFER OUT THERE OVER THE YEARS.
AND THEY'RE LOW MAINTENANCE, AREN'T THEY? THEY'RE RELATIVELY VERY LOW MAINTENANCE ESTABLISHED.
UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, CAN WE EXPLORE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.
AGAIN, THEIR CONCERN WASN'T AS MUCH SCREENING AND VISIBILITY OF PEOPLE USING THE TRAIL.
IT WAS JUST THE LOSS OF THE MATURING TREES.
BUT THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME TREES THERE.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY, EVEN THOUGH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, I THINK EVEN THE ONE WE DID OFF OF GENERAL MACARTHUR, I THINK YOU ALL THE PARKS DEPARTMENT JUST WENT BACK LATER AND ADDED IN TREES SEPARATE FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.
GOING BACK TO SOMEONE, AS KEN SAID, FAST GROWING AND PROVIDES A GOOD BUFFER.
AND BY THE TIME IT'S COMPLETED AND READY TO BE OPEN, MAYBE THEY'D BE A NICE GROWTH.
IF, I DUNNO, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THERE IS THE PLANNED TRAIL AT THIS LOCATION, BUT DID YOU SAY SIX HOUSES DOWN? THERE'LL BE A DIFFERENT ENTRY POINT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, IT'S NOT GONNA, WELL YEAH.
OBVIOUSLY YOU JUST GO UP HERE AND WALK INTO THE NORTH ENTRANCE IF, BECAUSE FORD WILL BE, FORD IS NOT, THAT'S NOT OLD SMART ENOUGH.
THAT'S JUST THE INTERIOR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET FORD.
AND THERE'LL BE AN ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT IT LIKE BARRICADED OFF RIGHT NOW IT BALL, IT STILL WON'T BE A VEHICLE ACCESS.
BUT, BUT WALKING, WALKING BIKE.
BUT A PEDESTRIAN COULD, SO IF SOMEONE WAS CLIPPED IN ON A BIKE OR HAD THEIR STROLLER AND THEY DIDN'T, IF WE DECIDED TO DO MULCH JUST, JUST FOR INCIDENT YEAH.
ANYBODY ON WHEELS WOULD NEED TO GO UP AND DO THAT.
IT COULD JUST GO UP, GET A FEW MORE STEPS, A FEW MORE PEDALS AND THEN COME IN THAT WAY.
AND I WOULD FEEL A LITTLE, UM, JUST PERSONAL OPINION HERE, THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES TO GET TO THIS POINT, SIT THERE, YOU'RE NOT LIKELY GOING TO HAVE.
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AND YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE IN STROLLERS CERTAINLY, BUT UH, PEOPLE COMING IN IN A WHEELCHAIR, THAT KIND OF STUFF IS PROBABLY GONNA BE DRIVING TO THE PARK ANYWAY.BUT I'M THINKING OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON A BIKE, BIKER, BIKER STROLLERS OR STROLLERS.
WHICH WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN I, DOWN AT RIVER PARK I SEE MOMS ALL THE TIME PUSHING CHILDREN DOWN THERE.
BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE STREET TO GET TO THIS POINT.
STROLLERS I SEE THAT TOO HAVE BECOME MIGHTY VEHICLES TOO.
LET US, UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IF Y'ALL GET A CHANCE, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY GO OUT AND JUST KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN DO A LITTLE EXPLORATORY WORK IN THERE TO SEE IF WE WOULD HAVE ANY OF THE SAME SOILS ISSUE THERE.
I MEAN IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS DEFINITIVE AS BIG IN A DIG A BIG TEST BED.
UM, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE INTERNAL TRAIL ISSUE IS AND COSTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND, AND TRY TO GET SOME FINAL DIRECTION ON THAT IF THAT'S OKAY.
CAN I JUST COMPLICATED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE
THEY DON'T DIG WAY DOWN AND BASE.
THEY JUST KIND OF GRADE AND THEY PUT THIS TAR DOWN, THEN THEY PUT ROCK ON TOP OF THE TAR AND, AND THIS LITTLE OIL AND GRAVEL.
THE TAR IS WET WHEN THEY PUT IT DOWN AS THE SUMMER GOES ON, IT HEATS UP MORE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOOSE SURFACE.
YOU, IT BECOMES MORE LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHIP AND SEAL TYPE OF THING.
WHICH I MEAN THAT'S ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW BUT, WELL I'VE BEEN TOLD HIM AND MAYBE BRIAN CAN SAY AND DAVE WILL TELL YOU THAT ANYTHING COMPACTED, 'CAUSE THOSE ROOTS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF 'EM AT THE TOP.
SO ANYTHING COMPACTED ON THAT HAS THE SAME PROBLEM.
UM, SO EVEN IF YOU KIND OF MO MAINLY BUILD UP, IF YOU'RE COMPACTING, THAT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THE ROOTS IS, YEAH.
NOW ONE THING WE HAVE ALREADY, ONE THING WE HAVE ALREADY ELIMINATED IS THERE WAS ALSO A PLAN TO RUN A WATER LINE, SMALL WATER LINE FROM HERE INTO THE PARK AND HAVE A DRINKING FOUNTAIN AND STUFF THERE.
WE, WE CUT THAT OUT 'CAUSE THAT WAS GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CUTTING OF THE GROUPS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND YOU HAVE A BATHROOM AND A DRINKING FOUNTAIN UP THERE, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
SO WE'VE ALREADY CUT THAT PART OF IT.
WELL WE'LL DO A LITTLE MORE WORK IF Y'ALL GIVE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO REGROUP MAYBE AT ONE OF THE DECEMBER OR LETTER NOVEMBER BRIEFINGS AND SEE IF WE GET SOME FINAL DIRECTION.
WE GOT A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO WISH.
OH, I GOT A COUPLE MORE MONTHS FOR MY BIRTHDAY.
THANKS FOR SHARING IT WITH US.
SO AS Y'ALL THING OUT ABOUT LYNN TUCKER BEING.