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WE WILL GET GOING.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing September 5, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the September 9th Agenda, the below item will be discussed: Motorized Scooters and eBikes on the City's Trail network This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
LIGHT AGENDA, AS I JUST MENTIONED TO COMMISSIONER DUNN, YOUR NEXT, YOUR NEXT AGENDA WILL BE FAIRLY LIGHT.ALSO, JAY AND I WILL NOT BE AT THE SEPTEMBER 23RD MEETING.
OH, RIGHT NOW IT'S AN ALL RIGHT.
NOW IT'S AN ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
IF WE HEAR, I CAN'T SAY IF I'M GONNA LIKE MOVE OVER TO KIRK'S SEAT FOR THE CITY MANAGER REPORT OR WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE YET.
WHO'S SPEAKING PUBLIC? I KNOW, I KNOW.
BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS AN ALL CONSENT AGENDA ALSO.
SO, UM, NO, UM, NO PRE-MEETINGS, UH, NO SWEARING INS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE FRONT END, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER STATE LAW FOR RECENT ANNEXATIONS, JUST TO GIVE A, UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR DELIVERY OF THE PLAN OF SERVICES AND HAVE A HEARING ON THAT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE ANNEXATIONS HAVE BEEN OF VACANT LAND THAT'S UNDERDEVELOPED.
SO AS THEY DEVELOP ALL THE SERVICES ARE BEING PROVIDED TO THEM.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES, BUT JUST WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO YOU HAVE A FEW COMMENTS OR IS IT JUST A, I MEAN, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO, BUT IF AT THE END OF IT YOU WANT US TO SAY SOMETHING, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
WELL, IT SAYS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON PROGRESS REPORT.
UH, AND SO THAT KIND OF IMPLIES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID MAYBE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I CAN JUST KIND OF SAY, KNOW, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NORMALLY FOR FOLKS TO COME, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I, FOR THE RECORD, I CAN CERTAINLY KIND OF JUST SAY WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT WORDS TOGETHER, IF YOU WOULD.
THANK, UM, ITEM ONE IS A RENEWAL OF OUR, IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE 21ST JUDICIAL DRUG TASK FORCE.
AND AGAIN, A RENEWAL, OUR PARTICIPATION IN IT.
UM, WE PROVIDE $5,000 A YEAR TO THE TASK FORCE.
UH, YEARS AGO WE USED TO ASSIGN AN OFFICER THERE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT, UM, WHO IS THAT OFFICER NOW? WE DON'T HAVE ONE ASSIGNED TO IT.
IT WAS ADRIAN BRI LOVE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
HE WAS IT FOREVER, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S AS LONG AS I, WE HAVE ONE THERE, BUT, UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN QUITE A WHILE, SO THAT'S JUST A RENEWAL OF THAT.
UH, TWO IS A, UM, SMALL GRANT APPLICATION TO OUR INSURANCE, UH, CARRIER PUBLIC ENTITY PARTNERS FOR A SAFETY GRANT.
SO WE PURCHASED STUFF UP TO 6,000 AND WE'LL GET 3000 FROM THEM.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF MISCELLANEOUS STUFF FROM A FEW DEPARTMENTS, UH, RELATED TO SAFETY EQUIPMENT.
UH, ANOTHER GRANT, SAME, SAME ISSUE.
THIS IS A PROPERTY CONSERVATION GRANT.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA USE THIS TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF SOME OF THE, UH, CYBERSECURITY TOOLS THAT YOU APPROVED IN THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE'LL OFFSET THAT COST A LITTLE BIT UP TO $5,000.
UH, ITEM THREE IS A AMENDMENT, UH, NOT FOUR, I'M SORRY.
UH, I GUESS THAT'S IT'S AMENDMENT.
IT'S A RENEWAL OR A NEW AGREEMENT WITH BLINK FOR THE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO HERE AND TWO AT THE LIBRARY.
ALL FOUR OF THOSE WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN IN 2011.
THEY ARE NON-FUNCTIONAL AT THE LIBRARY AND UP HERE, THE SCREENS AND ALL THAT ARE HARDLY READABLE.
SCREENS ARE VERY OXIDIZED AND YOU CAN'T READ 'EM.
AND I BELIEVE WE LOST CONNECTIVITY A WHILE AGO THAT BLINKED IT TO THE CHARGES THAT ARE HERE.
UM, BUT, UH, MAYOR CORMAN, I KNOW YOU HAD A, A QUESTION ABOUT DATA.
I REACHED OUT TO OUR BLINK NETWORK REP WHO'S CONVENIENTLY OUT OF TOWN
PROBABLY NOT EVEN WORTH PROCESSING THE, UH, REIMBURSEMENT.
WELL, WE JUST DEPOSIT A CHECK.
I MEAN, IT'S, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO APPLY IT AND GO THROUGH AND CODE IT, THAT TYPE OF STUFF, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ALL THE SAME TRANSACTION.
UM, SO I SEE THAT THIS AGREEMENT SAYS MAINTENANCE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WASN'T MAINTENANCE BEFORE.
UM, YES, BECAUSE WE TECHNICALLY WE OWNED THEM.
AND, AND I DO THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EP PEOPLE AND SO WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE REPLACED THEM A LONG TIME AGO.
AND THANKFULLY THEY'VE GOT THIS PROGRAM WHERE THEY'LL JUST COME IN AND DO IT AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EXPECTING US TO GET ANYTHING MEANINGFUL OUT OF IT OTHER THAN JUST THE CONVENIENCE TO OUR PATRONS WHO, UH, CITIZENS WHO HAPPEN TO BE IN THIS AREA.
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THE SURROUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WILL COME AND PLUG IN.IT'S REALLY JUST IN CONVENIENCE FOR THEM.
WE SEE, I BELIEVE, MORE TRAFFIC OVER AT THE LIBRARY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOTTEN THE MOST PHONE CALLS ABOUT IS WHEN THAT THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING.
AND I'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS OVER THERE.
HERE IT'S JUST A FEW FOLKS THAT COME IN FROM THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND WE'LL PLUG IN FOR HALF THE DAY.
AND SO TWO HERE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT? YES MA'AM.
WHAT'S THE TERMINATION FEE IF WE DO TERMIN? UM, I'D SAY IT'S A REDUCING PERCENTAGE, AN AMORTIZED PERCENTAGE, UH, OF THE INSTALLATION COSTS IF WE WERE TO TERMINATE EARLY.
AND THAT'S IN THE, IT, IT COMES DOWN OVER THE FIRST FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
IT'S ON PAGE 47 OF THE, IT'S THE KIND OF SCHEDULE OF NO PROBLEM, SPEED YOURSELF UP TOO MUCH OVER THE MAINTENANCE IN THE, WHAT THEY'RE FINDING IN THE INDUSTRY IS BECAUSE THESE CHARGERS ARE PC BOARD TECHNOLOGY, A LOT OF THE CHARGER ITSELF HAS ABOUT A FIVE OR SIX YEAR EXPECTED LIFE MAYBE.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOTTEN 12 YEARS, I MEAN EVEN IF WE HAD EIGHT YEARS OUT OF 'EM AND THEY'VE BEEN DOWN FOR A FEW YEARS, THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN A LOT OF 'EM.
YOU KNOW, THE SUN DAMAGE TO THE SCREENS IS AN INDUSTRY PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE IF YOU NOTICE LIKE GAS STATIONS AND ALL THAT ARE USUALLY UNDERCOVER.
SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY ADVISE IF YOU DON'T WANT SUN DAMAGE ON THE, ON THE STUFF, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BUILD A SHELTER FOR 'EM LIKE YOU DO FOR GAS PUMPS OR OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S OUTSIDE.
UM, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE THE CHARGER YOURSELF ISN'T EXPENSIVE PART.
I KNOW WE TALKED BEFORE THOUGH A LITTLE BIT JUST ABOUT THE SERVICE TOOL AND I DUNNO IF YOU SAID, ARE THESE LIKE 19 KILOWATT CHARGERS OR I KNOW THEY'RE LEVEL TWO.
THEY'RE LEVEL TWO AND I THINK IT'S, I HONESTLY THINK IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.
WE LOOKED AT OUR POWER SUPPLY TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE TO, UM, HIGHER CAPACITY CHARGERS, WHICH IS WHAT THE TESLAS AND OTHER HIGHER END VEHICLES AND CADILLACS USE.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER HIGHER END VEHICLES NEED THE FASTER, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE POWER SUPPLY TO THEM.
AND IT'D BE A BIG INVESTMENT ON OUR PART TO DO THAT.
I DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU'D REALLY SUPPORT THAT IDEA.
WELL, AND, AND IT NEEDS A VERY RELATIVE TERM, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE TESLAS OR CADILLACS OR ANYTHING ELSE CAN, THEY CAN GET FUEL, SO TO SPEAK, FROM ANY CHARGER, BUT TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE CAPACITY OF THE VEHICLE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LEVEL THREE CHARGER, WHICH IS ABOUT BETWEEN AN 80 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A REFRIGERATOR.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT THOSE AT THE LIBRARY.
YOU GENERALLY DON'T SEE THOSE.
AND FOR THE VOLUME THAT WE HAVE, WE REALLY JUST WOULDN'T JUSTIFY DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK.
NO, THOSE ARE HIGH VOLUME COMMERCIAL UNITS FOR COMMERCIAL REFUELING.
SO, SO THE ONES OUTSIDE HERE ARE NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW? I, NO, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING CONNECTIVITY TO BLINK, I THINK MAYBE A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
AND THE ONES AT THE LIBRARY ARE NOT NONFUNCTIONAL.
NOW THERE'S CARS HERE NOT DAILY, SEVERAL TIMES USED.
SO IF YOU PULLED UP AND YOU WANT TO USE IT AND IT'S NOT WORKING, IS IT OBVIOUS TO YOU IT'S NOT WORKING? I MEAN, DOES IT FLASH LIKE WHEN YOU'RE PUMPING GAS CONTACT INSIDE? YEAH.
WHEN YOU TRY TO ACTIVATE YOUR, I DON'T KNOW, IS IT A CARD THAT HAS SO NOBODY THINKS IT'S GETTING CHARGED WHEN IT'S NOT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IS IF IT'S NOT WORKING, WE NEED TO HANG A SIGN OR YELLOW TAPE IT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE, WE, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA SOUND VERY UNGENEROUS, BUT HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE PAY FOR DOING THAT? I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T GET PAID CHARGE CHARGE.
THEY PAY THE COMPANY, THEN THE COMPANY REIMBURSES US FOR THE COST OF ELECTRICITY.
WELL THEN WE'RE ALL RIGHT WITH THIS.
AND, AND CAN YOU BRING UP A INTERESTING POINT AND THERE'S A REALLY GOOD, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT, THE AUTOMOTIVE NEWS HAD A, A PODCAST LAST WEEKEND WHERE THEY INTERVIEWED SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE EXPERTS ON THE SPACE TALKING ABOUT THE RELIABILITY.
AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HARDWARE AND THE SOFTWARE RELIABILITY.
AND THE SOFTWARE THAT RUNS THE OPERATION OF THE CHARGER IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SOFTWARE THAT RUNS THE PAYMENT PROCESSING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DISCONNECT ON EITHER SIDE, IT CAN AFFECT THE AVAILABILITY OF THE STATION.
BUT I SAID IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A 20 MINUTE PODCAST.
IF ANYONE WANTS A LINK TO IT, JUST, JUST LEMME KNOW.
UM, ITEM FIVE IS A, UH, PURCHASE AGREEMENT.
IT'S JUST AN AGREEMENT WITH WAS COUNTY FOR ANNUAL PURCHASE OF GRINDER PUMP SYSTEM EQUIPMENT AND PUMPS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, NORMALLY THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR OVER 25,000 LIST AND WE'RE TRYING TO GREATLY REDUCE OUR UTILIZATION OF THAT LIST AND HAVE ASKED DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE WHERE IT'S A SOLE SOURCE, THEY ARE THE ONLY SUPPLIER OF THE, UH, GRINDER PUBLIC SYSTEMS THAT WE USE IN OUR SEWER SYSTEM, UH, TO TRY TO GET JUST AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT DIRECTLY IN PLACE WITH THAT VENDOR.
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THERE'S A MULTITUDE, I DON'T KNOW, CHRIS, DOZENS, HUNDREDS OF POTENTIAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND PARTS THAT WE MIGHT BUY.SO IT'S SET UP AS A PERCENTAGE DISCOUNT FROM LIST PRICE AND, AND THERE'D BE NO WAY TO LIST EVERY CONCEIVABLE PIECE IN PART WE MAY, UH, PURCHASE.
UM, SO THE AGREEMENT AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT LISTED THERE, 295,000 IS THEIR BUDGET FOR GRINDER PUMP SYSTEM PARTS AND, AND REPLACEMENT ITEMS. SO THEY MAY SPEND THAT AMOUNT, BUT THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT THIS WOULD AUTHORIZE THEM TO SPEND.
UH, ITEM SIX, ANOTHER WATER SEWER ITEM.
THIS IS, UH, JUST A MINOR AMENDMENT TO OUR, UH, A RP GRANT FROM, UH, TEC.
THAT'S FOR THE CARRON DELE WATERLINE PROJECT.
IT'S, UM, BEEN UNDERWAY AND THIS IS, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, DOESN'T CHANGE OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION.
IT SIMPLY TAKES, ANYTIME YOU DO THESE FEDERAL GRANTS, THEY USUALLY HAVE IT BREAKING OUT INTO DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF MONEY, CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN DEPOT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
AND ALL THIS IS DOING IS TAKING, UH, THE, THE BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WAS DES, UH, SET ASIDE FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN ENGINEERING AND JUST MOVING IT TO CONSTRUCTION.
NOW THIS IS AT THEIR REQUEST, MORE OR LESS? IT, WELL, YEAH, IT'S, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE INITIAL APPLICATION, THEY, AT, AT THAT TIME THEY WERE, UH, RECOMMENDING YOU PUT IN 6% FOR ENGINEERING AND ADMIN AS PART OF YOUR GRANT.
SINCE THEN, THEY ARE PERMITTED TO MOVE ALL OF THAT MONEY INTO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT JUST STREAMLINE OUR REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH ADMIN, AS MUCH PAPERWORK.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INVOICES FROM THE ENGINEERS AND FILE THAT.
WE JUST FILE ONE APPLICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DONE.
SO, SO YOU RECALL OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS, WE'VE BEEN DOING A BUNCH OF MINOR LITTLE AMENDMENTS TO SEVERAL POLICE RELATED GRANTS WHERE WE'VE CHANGED THE DEFINITION OR CHANGED THE DATE.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO ONE THING WE PUT IN THIS RESOLUTION THAT WE MIGHT DO IN FUTURE ONES IS BASICALLY THAT IT AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE NON-SUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENTS LIKE THAT.
ANYTHING CHANGE IN A DOLLAR AMOUNT OR OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION WOULD OBVIOUSLY COME BACK.
BUT IF IT WAS JUST EXTENDING THE, THE DEADLINE DATE ON SOMETHING OR A DEFINITION OR WHATEVER, WE COULD JUST PROCESS IT WITH THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS TO BRING IT TO Y'ALL.
IF YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT CAME, I WILL SAY THAT CAME UP WITH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ONCE AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT THEN BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS GETTING ALMOST EVERY MEETING YOU WERE HAVING, THINGS WERE FOR THEM, IF YOU REMEMBER, FOR THE LPR R GRANTS AND ALL THAT KIND STUFF.
SO, AND THEY CHANGE A TERM OR A DEFINITION OR SOMETHING, BUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE OUR OBLIGATION OR REALLY EVEN THEIR OBLIGATION.
UM, ITEM SEVEN UM, IS, UH, A CHANGE ORDER WITH NEUTRON EDGE, WHICH IS THE COMPANY PROVIDING THE, THE BRAINS OF OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, PREEMPTION SYSTEM.
UH, YOU APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR, LATE 23, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS.
SO THIS IS AGAIN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PREEMPTION SYSTEM BUILT INTO THE RIGHT NOW FIRE APPARATUS, UM, FOR ALLOW THEM TO CONTROL, UH, SIGNALS AS THEY GO THROUGH.
I'LL ASK SARAH TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT.
BUT THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE ORDER JUST ADDS ONE ADDITIONAL VEHICLE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED.
UM, AND SOME SMALL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
SO THE TOTAL OF THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE ORDER IS $9,140.
AND SOME OF THAT WILL BE OVER THREE YEARS.
WE'RE ADDING THE BAT CHIEF VEHICLE.
SO WHEN WE FIRST APPROVED THIS, IT WAS FOR THE NINE POLICE APPARATUSES AND THE FIRE ENGINES AND THIS JUST ADDS A BAT CHIEF VEHICLE TO IT BATTALION CHIEF, YOU KNOW.
SORRY, BATTALION CHIEF, THROW THE LIN GO ON.
I'VE BEEN HANGING AROUND THE FIREFIGHTERS WAY TOO MUCH LATELY.
ITALIAN CHIEF, HOW OLD IS THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE NEED TO REPLACE? OH GOSH, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL.
IT'S NOT BEEN FUNCTIONAL FOR A LONG TIME.
I MEAN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
NO, IT'S NOT BEEN FUNCTIONAL FOR AT VOLUNTEERS VEHICLE FOR THIS PROGRAM.
TONY ALSO WANTED TO BE JUST A QUICK UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THE GPS UNITS IN, WE HAVE ANTENNAS IN, WE DID A TEST RUN TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, WE PREEMPTED THE LIGHTS DOWN MARYLAND WAY AND DOWN FRANKLIN ROAD.
UM, AND THEY WORKED PERFECTLY.
SO, UH, ONCE WE WERE GOING TO GO TO EACH OF THE APPARATUSES AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANNA CONFIGURE EACH OF THEM
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BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.SO WE NEED DIFFERENT MOUNTS IN THERE.
AND THEN IT SHOULD BE DONE BY OCTOBER, GET ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT IN.
UM, I'VE WRITTEN THE PYTHON SCRIPT THAT PULLS THE CAD DATA INTO THE SYSTEM AND IT UPDATES EVERY FIVE SECONDS AS TO WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE SUPPOSED TO GO AND THEN CANCELS THE CALL IF NEED BE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON? SO ONCE WE KIND OF PREEMPT A LIGHT, DOES IT THEN AUTOMATICALLY, ONCE THEY GO THROUGH DEFAULT BACK TO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO? YES, EXACTLY.
I THINK WE HAVE IT SET TO 20 SECONDS OUT.
SO AS THE FIRETRUCK'S APPROACHING 20 SECONDS HITS, IT STARTS TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS MM-HMM.
TO CLEAR THE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY.
AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY GO THROUGH THAT LIGHT GO OR THAT CONTROLLER GOES BACK TO THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, SO AND SO WE WORK WITH MARTIN GATES VERY, VERY CLOSELY.
ON ALL OF THOSE TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PLANS TO ADD ANY OTHER VEHICLES EXCEPT OUR OWN CITY VEHICLES TO TRAFFIC PREEMPTION WE'RE NOT IN WHICH WE WILL NEVER ADD ANY CIVILIAN VEHICLE.
IT'LL ONLY EVER BE CITY VEHICLES.
NOW THE ONLY I SAY COULD BE EMS, WHICH IS NOT A CITY VEHICLE, BUT THAT'S A COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THEN THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER PLANS TO DO ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC, UH, PARTNERSHIPS WITH ANY OTHER COMPANIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN TERMS OF SIGNALING OR, UM, NO, THERE WON'T BE SIGNALING.
SO I THINK WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WAS THAT THEY WANTED THE DATA MM-HMM.
UM, SO LIKE VANDERBILT'S VERY INTERESTED IN THAT DATA BECAUSE THEY WANNA DO SAFETY STUDIES.
UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT NISSAN BEING VERY INTERESTED IN THAT DATA.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS INITIAL PROJECT.
THIS INITIAL ONE IS JUST GETTING THE FIRE TRUCKS THROUGH ANY DATA SHARING AGREEMENT THAT WAS EVEN CONSIDERED OR PROPOSED WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY OH, BY THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M MOSTLY CURIOUS ABOUT.
SO THIS WILL JUST GET THE APPARATUSES THROUGH THE LIGHTS SAFELY.
SO, AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY ADD POLICE TO IT, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE THEY MANEUVER, GET THROUGH THOSE LIGHTS ON FASTER, MORE MANEUVERABLE.
AND IT WILL NOT BE AN INSIGNIFICANT COST TO ADD THAT TO.
AND AND WE'VE HAD A, IT'S KAREN HERE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS ACTUALLY GETS ACCOUNTED FOR BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE WOULD TRY TO USE ONETIME MONEY FOR A A BUNCH OF EQUIPMENT.
RIGHT? WELL THIS IS MAINLY SOFTWARE.
THE HARDWARE IS ACTUALLY THE VERY CHEAP PART OF IT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, THAT'S AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, NOT US.
WHICH YOU KNOW, IS A LOT EASIER FOR US.
I THINK I'VE TOLD YOU ALL LAST TIME BUDGET TO FIND ONE TIME MONEY AS OPPOSED TO ABSORBING SOMETHING IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET, WHICH HAS TO BE ALLOCATED AGAINST RECURRING MONEY.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE AND AND, AND BE AFTER I'M GONE, BUT A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THIS PROJECT TO ACTUALLY MOVE SOME OF THIS EXPENSE OUT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR FIRE.
SO, BUT JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, THAT MORE AND MORE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY IS NOT A ONE TIME THING.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING IF THIS TO SEE IF THIS REALLY HELPS CUT DOWN RESPONSE TIME.
SO TONY GOT FROM CITY HALL DOWN TO LAKE BURGER'S, BAGELS IN THREE MINUTES I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS.
THEY TIMED IT, IT WAS REALLY COOL.
WE, WE WERE, HE WAS ASKING FOR HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE TODAY.
THERE WAS FIRE TRUCKS TRYING TO GET DOWN TO SECOND AVENUE AND IT'S JUST A ZOO DOWN THERE.
IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU HAD THIS STUFF OR NOT.
I MEAN, IF IT'S JUST THAT GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC, IT DOESN'T, AND WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WAS IT REALLY SOMEBODY SERIOUSLY OR IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT, BUT THOSE, I MEAN, PEOPLE COULDN'T MOVE ANYWHERE.
WHAT, WHAT A PROBLEM THEY HAVE DOWN THERE.
IT'S ALSO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FROM A POTENTIAL LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
UH, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE RUNNING LIGHTS AND SIRENS, IF THEY HAVE THE RED, UH, LIKE, UM, WHAT'S THAT VANESSA, K THREE LAW OR WHATEVER, UM, THEY STILL HAVE TO YIELD, RIGHT? YEAH.
TO OTHERS THAT IN THE INTERSECTION.
AND I THINK THE FIRE FOLKS AREN'T HERE.
I THINK THEY'LL TELL YOU EVEN IF THEY'VE GOT A GREEN, THEY'RE NOT JUST BLOWING THROUGH, THEYRE STILL CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT.
HE WEARS A COSTUME AND EVERYTHING.
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YOU JUST EMAIL US, HUH? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS ON THE LAST, IT WAS ON THE LAST.HOLLY TELL YOU WHO SOMEBODY OH, YOU KNOW, MOVED OUTTA TOWN.
I DID NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IS AMY, IS IT AMY SOMETHING? PROBABLY, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW PROBABLY BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING.
AND THAT'S IT FOR AGENDA WISE.
SO, UM, SEVERAL THINGS WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF DISCUSS WITH YOU.
THINGS WE'RE GETTING, UM, BOMBARDED IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT LOTS OF CALLS ABOUT, WHICH SURPRISINGLY APPARENTLY YOU ALL AREN'T YET.
BUT ONCE THEY GET SOME OF OUR ANSWERS, YOU MIGHT.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THESE THINGS AND, UH, AND SEE IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, IF YOU HAVE OTHER IDEAS.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE LIST THERE.
SO, UM, DAVE IS HERE AND THE PARK BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'RE, THERE'S THINGS GOING ON.
WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AND, UM, GOING, SO DAVE'S GETTING MORE AND MORE, I SAY MORE AND MORE, I MEAN FOR US, IT'S NOT LIKE HUNDREDS OF CALLS, BUT A FAIR NUMBER OF CONSISTENT CALLS ABOUT FOLKS WITH CONCERNS.
I SAY I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY KIDS OR MAY BE ADULTS.
UM, ELECTRIC SCOOTERS ON THE TRAIL NETWORKS.
AND THEN E-BIKES HAS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN AN ISSUE OUT THERE.
GOLF CARTS IS SOMETHING THAT'S YEAH.
I KNOW OUT BY MY AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF CARTS.
I SAY A LOT, SEVERAL GOLF CARTS EVERY MORNING GOING TO CROCKETT FROM, USUALLY FROM ABOUT THE WITHERSPOON.
SO, AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE TRAIL.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE STREET LEGAL, SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ON THE TRAILS, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S FASTER
SO JUST THE LAY OF THE LINE RIGHT NOW, DAVE, THERE'S A RULE IN OUR PARKS THAT SAYS NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THE USE OF THE TERM VEHICLES MAY BE AN ISSUE.
'CAUSE I THINK CHRISTIAN CORRECT, IF I I'M WRONG, THAT HAS A DEFINITIVE IT DOES, YEAH.
MEANING IN STATE LAW, THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T INCLUDE E-BIKES OR SCOOTERS.
E-BIKES AND BIKES ARE UNDER THEIR, UM, ARE UNDER A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE LAW AND ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT VEHICLES.
SO, BUT WITH THAT SAID, THEY CAN BE, UM, REGULATED ON, ON SIDEWALKS.
BUT, UM, BUT EVEN THOSE, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE THOSE RULES, THOSE ARE SIMPLY PARK RULES.
THEY'RE NOT CODIFIED IN OUR CODE, THEY'RE NOT TICKETABLE OFFENSES.
AND SO THERE'S REALLY A LIMITED, UH, ABILITY TO ENFORCE ANYTHING ON THAT.
UM, BUT KEEP IN MIND OUR TRAIL NETWORK GOES WELL OUTSIDE OF PARKS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODES TODAY RELATED TO MOTORIZED BIKES OR SCOOTERS ON THOSE TRAIL SEGMENTS.
UM, SO THE PARK BOARD DISCUSSED IT, NOT THIS PAST MEETING, BUT I THINK THE ONE BEFORE AND I THINK RIGHTLY SO, IS KIND OF CAUTIONARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET OR CAN GET SUPER HEAVY HANDED.
SO IF YOU'VE NOTICED A LITTLE BIT IN SOCIAL MEDIA, CHARLES HAS TRIED TO BE PUTTING OUT SOME TRAIL USE RULES, PARK USE RULES, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A PUBLIC AWARENESS, UM, THING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, AND THE IDEA OF US, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
I THINK SIGNS ARE ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE, WHERE OUR CODES THAT WERE WRITTEN 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, THE REALITY OF THE WORLD AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE WORLD HAS KIND OF OUTSTRIPPED OUR, OUR CODES IN REALITY.
BUT EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO PROHIBIT THEM THEN BE OR ENFORCE THE PROHIBITION, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES.
HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? WE DON'T HAVE PARK POLICE, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T WANT POLICE OFFICERS.
WE GIVING UP LIMITED TIME TO GO ON THE TRAILS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WISH THAT COMMON SENSE AND JUST PUBLIC COURTESY WOULD BE SUFFICIENT THESE DAYS.
UM, SO AGAIN, DON'T HAVE AN, DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL TO JUST KIND OF MAKING YOU AWARE THAT, UM, UH, IT'S AN ISSUE.
AND IT'S REALLY, THE COMPLAINTS ARE NOT ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF AN A MOTORIZED THING, IT'S THE SPEED AT WHICH THEY'RE GOING AND THEN THE BEHAVIOR AS FAR AS LACK OF COURTESY AND ANNOUNCING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED RELATIVE TO E-BIKES AND, AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I MEAN E-BIKE OWNER, UM, 20 MILES AN HOUR ON AN E-BIKE SOUNDS FAST ON A DOWNHILL SECTION OF OUR TRAIL.
YOU CAN ON A REGULAR BIKE BE GOING 25 MILES AN HOUR.
SO IS IT A SPEED ISSUE OR IS IT THE, THE MODE OF THAT SPEED I THINK WOULD BE PART OF A DISCUSSION TOO AT SOME POINT IN TIME JUST TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION ABOUT IT.
LIKE YOU SAY, I MEAN, I REMEMBER IN THE EARLIER DAYS OF THE, THE TRAILS
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THROUGH CROCKETT PARK AND RIVER PARK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME GROUPS OF CYCLISTS OUT THERE RIDING PACE LINES AND LIKE YOU SAY, IN A PACE LINE, THEY CAN RIDE ON FLAT GROUND 25 MILES AN HOUR.AND, UM, AND SOME OF THE SERIOUS BIKE, YOU KNOW, CYCLISTS WERE DOING THAT.
BUT THROUGH COURTESY AND, YOU KNOW, JUST NORMS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BAN BIKES FROM THE TRAILS BECAUSE THEY'RE INTENDED FOR LIKE SCOOTERS.
YOU KNOW, THEY, WE LOVE HAVING THE LITTLE KIDS ON, ON SCOOTERS IN THERE.
THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY ON A MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT'S RUNNING REALLY FAST, YOU KNOW? SO I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE WOULD KEEP THE TRAIL NORMS AND AND PLAY NICE ON 'EM FOR THE INTENT.
AND, AND THAT'S THE EFFORT AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE AS YOU OBSERVE THE OTHER TRAILS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES ON WITH WITH THE WORLD, AS YOU SAY, OUR TRAILS ARE A SERIOUS SAFETY VALVE TO THE PRESSURE ON THE ROADS.
YOU KNOW, IF TRAFFIC GETS BAD, YOU KNOW, AND NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA RIDE THEIR BIKE SOMEWHERE, BUT SOME PEOPLE DO.
AND WITH THE, THE HUGE VARIETY OF E-BIKES AND OTHER ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY SEE MORE NOT LESS PEOPLE OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, SELECTING OTHER WAYS TO AVOID TRAFFIC.
SO I DON'T WANNA SET UP A SYSTEM THAT PREVENTS THAT.
IF YOU GO WALK CROCKETT PARK 7 27 30 OR ALSO 8 28 30, YOU GET THIS HUGE INFLUX OF KIDS ON BIKES.
AND SOME OF THEM, UH, LITTLE MOTORIZED SCOOTERS, UH, THEY ALL SEEM TO OBEY THE RULES PRETTY WELL, EVEN IF THEY'RE DRIVING IN A PACK OF FIVE OR EIGHT OF 'EM.
BUT I FIGURE THAT'S THAT MANY FEWER CARS ON THE ROAD CARRYING KIDS TO SCHOOL.
AND SOMETIMES THE YOUNGER ELEMENTARY DUDE, SHE'LL SEE A MOM WITH THEM 33 OR FOUR OR FIVE BIKES, I ASSUME THEY'RE NOT QUINTUPLETS THAT, THAT THAT IS NEIGHBOR'S KIDS.
AND SO, BUT, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY COME THROUGH IF THEY TEND TO BE, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR ISSUE.
WELL AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
WELL THAT'S LIKE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS IS IT'S NOT, MOST OF 'EM, IT'S JUST A FEW OF THEM THAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM.
AND WE'VE HAD A FEW ACCIDENTS ON OUR TRAILS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HIT BY A BIKE OR I DUNNO ABOUT A SCOOTER, BUT I KNOW A BIKE.
UH, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT WAS AN E-BIKE.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF WALKERS THAT USE THOSE BIKES, THE TRAILS UP THERE AND THE AREA BEHIND THE LIBRARY.
AND UH, I KNOW I'VE BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE WHEN THE BIKES WERE FLYING BY AND IT WAS GENERALLY SOMEBODY THAT JUST WASN'T BEING COURTEOUS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY NICE ABOUT IT.
IS THE PARK BOARD GOING TO SEND US ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? 'CAUSE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS.
I MEAN, I CAN, WE HAD A GROUP, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON, UH, TUESDAY NIGHT THIS WEEK.
AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION TUESDAY NIGHT THIS WEEK, TWO NIGHTS AGO AND, UM, LAST MONTH.
AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE SEE AS THE PARK BOARD IS THAT THERE COULD BE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO, BUT THOSE WOULD COST TIME AND MONEY AND THEN ENFORCEMENT.
AND THAT'S THE ISSUE, THE OF THE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, AND THEN WHAT DAVE WAS SHARING WAS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REPORTS OF ISSUES, BUT NOT ENOUGH YET TO QUANTIFY THOSE.
LIKE THERE'S NOT AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT SAYS THIS ACCIDENT HAPPENED AT THIS LOCATION AND THESE WERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED AND THERE'S NOT THAT YET.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN IS THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PARK BOARD TO EDUCATE PEOPLE.
UM, AND THEN IT WAS ALSO LIFTED, MAYBE THERE'S A LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD PROJECT THAT COULD PUT SOME SIGNS UP ALONG THE PARKS TO REMIND PEOPLE, BUT WE WANNA BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT NOT OVERS SIGNING ANYTHING SO THAT PEOPLE IGNORE THE SIGNAGE.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT DISCUSSION IN THE PARK BOARD.
AND RIGHT NOW THE, THE SUMMATION WAS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL WAIT AND JUST SEE, TRY TO DO THE SOCIAL MEDIA APPROACH, PUT THE WORD OUT AND SEE IF THAT CAN HELP.
UM, I DO THINK I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR LOOK, I, I WOULD HAVE A FEW MORE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE BEFORE I YIELD THE FLOOR AND THEN I'LL YIELD IT.
UH, SECONDLY, I THINK ENFORCEMENT IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE EVERYONE THAT BREAKS INTO YOUR HOME DOESN'T GET CAUGHT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE A RULE ABOUT IT.
I DON'T, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THE PARKS PEOPLE TO BE OUT THERE MONITORING IT, BUT I THINK IF WE DECIDE THAT THIS IS DANGEROUS, A RULE IS NOT A BAD THING AND IF SOMEONE DOES GET HURT AND SOMEONE WITNESSES IT, THEN WE, WE CAN ENFORCE THAT RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
AND I DO AGREE ABOUT THE CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL.
YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT UP AT THE LIBRARY GOING, 'CAUSE YOU CAN GO THE BACK TRAIL OVER THE LIPS COMING.
IT REALLY WORKS WELL FOR A LOT OF PARENTS AND KIDS.
AND I'M SURE OTHER SCHOOLS TOO.
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UH, PERHAPS IF WE HAD, AND THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT, IT'S MAINLY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, I THINK.I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MIDDLE, BUT I DON'T THINK MANY HIGH SCHOOLERS ARE GOING ON SCOOTERS TO SCHOOL.
UM, MAYBE WE HAVE AN HOUR, A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME IN THE MORNING AND A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME IN THE AFTERNOON WHERE E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE, ON THE TRAILS AND NOT THE REST OF THE DAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TOSSING THAT OUT THAT WAY IT'S NOT BEING PUNITIVE, BUT IT MIGHT RANGE SOME OF IT IN OR AT LEAST BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
OR IF IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK SPEED IS THE ISSUE.
WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY AN E-BIKE OR JUST A NORMAL BIKE, ANY DEVICE.
I MEAN, MY SON WAS ALMOST TAKING, HE WAS JOGGING AND HE WAS ALMOST TAKEN OUT BY A NORMAL BIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE, ON THE ARBORETUM.
SO THE SCOOTERS BOTHER ME MORE THAN THE BIKES ACTUALLY.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MATTER OF WE LITERALLY PUT A SPEED LIMIT SIGN SPEED THEN YOU'RE BACK TO ENFORCEMENT THOUGH.
BUT IF IT, IF THERE'S NOT A SIGN YOU CAN'T ENFORCE, IF THERE'S AT LEAST A SIGN YOU NEED TO ENFORCE, YOU CAN ENFORCE THE METHOD OF BECOMES THE CHILD.
RIGHT? I THINK THE PARK BOARDS, I THINK THE PARK BOARDS TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS LOGICAL.
AND I THINK YOU LAID OUT GOOD THINGS.
THE GOLF CARTS ARE MORE OF AN ISSUE THAT I SEE.
WE HAVE FRIENDS IN WITHERSPOON, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY GOLF CARTS OVER IN WITHERSPOON AND THERE WE'RE SELLING GOLF CARTS RIGHT DOWN FRANKLIN ROAD TOO, YOU KNOW.
AND I DO THINK, I THINK THERE'S ONE THAT YOU, THAT YOU CAN TRY TO DO THE, UH, IT THEY GENTLY NUDGED THESE PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO STOP THAT RIGHT NOW SOMEHOW.
WELL, DON'T YOU USUALLY HAVE TO GO ON A PUBLIC STREET TO GET TO A TRAIL WITH YOUR GOLF CART? YEAH.
AND THAT SOUTH NECESSARILY IS ILLEGAL GOING ON A PUBLIC STREET WITH A GOLF CART.
WELL, THERE ARE SOME GOLF CARTS THAT ARE STREET STREET LEGAL.
THEY HAVE SEAT BELTS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE AND YOU CAN'T YEAH.
THERE CERTAIN A STREET WITH A SPEED LIMIT ABOVE 35 MILES PER HOUR.
CAN YOU JUST SAY NO, FOUR WHEELED VEHICLES? THAT'D BE, HOW ABOUT THAT? MAYBE STROLLER,
UM, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED WITHERSPOON AND THAT AGAIN ADJACENT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONNECTED.
I WALK AND, AND RIDE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
THE TRAILS WITHIN WITHERSPOON ARE TECHNICALLY PRIVATE TRAILS WITH A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT OVER THEM.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR RULES COULD EVEN BE ENFORCED.
NOW WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THAT AND GO ACROSS THE FRONT OF, UH, SOMERSET ALONG CROCKETT TO GET TO SCHOOLS, AND THAT'S A PUBLIC TRAIL, BUT WITHIN WITHERSPOON.
THOSE ARE PRIVATE HOA OWNED TRAILS WITH A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, MEANING THEY CAN'T PROHIBIT OTHERS FROM USING IT.
SAME AS IN, UH, NELSON SUBDIVISION.
PEOPLE JUST THINK THAT'S ALL PART OF THE YEAH.
AND FROM A USER AVAILABILITY IT IS.
BUT FROM A RULE STANDPOINT, IF WE GOT TO THAT, WOW.
IT WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T THINK, IS PRINCETON HILLS THAT SAME WAY TOO? PARTS OF IT? YEAH.
THAT'S AGAIN, JUST ADDS TO THE COMPLEXITY OF IT ALL AND THE, AND THE CHALLENGE IN MESSAGING WHAT'S ALLOWED WHERE AND WHATEVER.
MY POINT WAS ABOUT GOLF CARTS, SO I'M GLAD WE GOT THERE.
SO THAT, YOU SAID THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS ABOUT GOLF CARTS PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK INHIBITING FLOW.
WELL THAT, THAT'S A A, A POLICE ABLE ISSUE.
AND WE'VE, AND AND, AND I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH RICHARD, BUT WE ASKED HIM TO OKAY.
TO HAVE SOME PRESENCE OUT THERE THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.
EDUCATE WHERE WE'VE SEEN THAT.
EDUCATE AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE YEAH.
NOT WRITING TICKETS, BUT JUST SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T, THEY EITHER GOTTA BE STREET LEGAL ON THE STREET RIGHT.
OR THEY, THEY CAN'T BE PARKED ON THE TRAIL OR THE SIDEWALK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
CERTAINLY NOT BLOCKING CHILDREN.
AND THEN I HONESTLY HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO, BUT I HAVEN'T DIRECTLY FOLLOWED UP TO SEE IF THEY CAN.
SO AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF ON A, ON A PROACTIVE BASIS.
WELL, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A SINGLE EMAIL ABOUT THIS, IF Y'ALL NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT I KNOW WE ARE, THERE WAS ONE, THERE WAS ONE MORE OF US ISSUE OF SOMEBODY POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT KIDS WERE ON SCOOTERS IN PRINCETON HILLS AND THEY JUST, THIS IS A, THIS IS A, THEY NEED TO LEARN AND THE PARENTS NEED TO TEACH 'EM OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY WERE JUST ZOOMING ACROSS THE ENTRANCE TO PRINCETON HILLS AND ALMOST GOT HIT BY A CAR.
BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THEIR FAULT.
THEY WERE COMING OUTTA THE TRAIL AND DIDN'T STOP.
THEY JUST KEPT GOING AND THE CAR STOPPED AND SHE WAS POSTING KIND OF WARNING OTHER PARENTS LIKE, Y'ALL BE CAREFUL AND TELL YOUR KIDS TO BE CAREFUL.
BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN EMAIL ABOUT OTHER, AND USUALLY, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT IF IT'S A REAL PROBLEM, WE USUALLY GET SOME KIND OF AN EMAIL TO, I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT ANECDOTALLY FROM NEIGHBORS.
YOU KNOW, FOLKS, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF IT.
AND SOME OF IT'S JUST GENERAL ORDERING US, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYONE LIVING, I LIVE LIVING THAT CLOSE TO THE TRAILS.
I USUALLY HEAR LOTS OF STUFF IF PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE TRAIL.
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I DON'T KNOW, JUST COMMENT.I'M GLAD Y'ALL PUT IT, UH, ON THE, THE RADAR.
I'M GLAD THE PARK BOARD IS, UH, DEALING WITH IT, UH, WHILE IT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, AND STARTING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO BEFORE IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, RIGHT? THE MORE WE CAN PRACTICE THAT PROBLEM AVOIDANCE, UH, THE BETTER.
SO A COUPLE COMMENTS AND A QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES.
'CAUSE YEAH, I'M, I'M HOPING THIS GOOD.
I'VE JUST GENERALLY BECOME A FAN OF LESS REGULATION, NOT MORE SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T END UP WRITING A BUNCH OF RIGHTS ABOUT THIS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO THE HOAS IS ESPECIALLY THE, THE ONES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ON THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A REGULAR HOA NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT.
I IMAGINE WEATHER SPOON DOES AS WELL.
BUT MAYBE THE HOAS WOULD PUT SOMETHING TO THEIR NEIGHBORS TO SAY, HEY, BE SURE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND BE COURTEOUS ABOUT THIS STUFF.
AND IT COULD, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT SOCIAL NORMS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ESTABLISH THE SOCIAL NORMS THAT MAY BE WORTHWHILE AND, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL.
'CAUSE I DO THINK LIKE RAY OBSERVED THIS, THIS REALLY PROVIDES A, A ROLE IN TERMS OF CONGESTION AS LIKE RAY'S DESCRIBED IN THE PARK.
NO ONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVES UNLESS THE WEATHER JUST DOESN'T ALLOW 'EM, THEY DON'T DRIVE TO CROCKETT OR WOODLAND BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT CAR LINE, IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AT TIMES.
AND THE HOLY FAMILY HAS TO TELL PEOPLE DO NOT CUT THROUGH HOLY FAMILY PARKING LOT TRYING TO DRIVE YOUR KIDS OFF.
BUT IT IS SO CONGESTED OVER THERE THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE PARKS, WHICH IS GREAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL WHAT TIME IT IS.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR WATCH.
SO THIS IS THAT SAFETY VALVE I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF HELPING THE CONGESTION.
AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD TAKE THE BUSES, BUT I KNOW IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SPEND 10 MINUTES AND WALK OR YOU CAN SPEND LIKE 60 MINUTES AND RIDE THE BUS
BUT TO ANNE'S POINT, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE, LIKE RIGHT NOW IF SOMEBODY HITS SOMEBODY AND THERE'S A, A CONFLICT AND A DISAGREEMENT AND YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LAWYERS INVOLVED, DOES AN ABSENCE OF A RULE HURT THE VICTIM OR THERE ARE ENOUGH REGS ALREADY SO THAT IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT IN THE PARK AND SOMEONE'S RIDING LIKE A JERK AND AND HURT SOMEBODY OR, OR THE, ARE OUR WALKERS AND THE PEOPLE USING THE TRAILS APPROPRIATELY, ARE THEY ADEQUATELY PROTECTED? OR DO THEY NEED US TO SAY SOMETHING JUST TO ESTABLISH THE NORM? OR DO YOU I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN THE PARTIES, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SO FACT SPECIFIC NELSON, THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN HESITATE TO, I MEAN WE DO HAVE SIGNAGE REMINDING LOTS OF SIGNAGE.
YEAH, LOTS OF SIGNAGE RIGHT NOW.
AND AGAIN, NOT TO SAY THAT MORE WOULD BE BAD IDEA BY ANY MEANS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SO FACT SPECIFIC AND OKAY, SO, SO SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE SHRINKING OUR RESPONSIBILITY? I DON'T, I KNOW.
SO, SO, SO WE'RE NOT NEGLECTING TO PROTECT OUR NO, THERE IS SOME, AGAIN, WITH THE STATE LAW, AND I THINK I MENTIONED IT, BIKES AND E-BIKES ARE, ARE BOTH STATED IN STATE LAW AS NOT BEING VEHICLES.
IT SAYS THAT FOR, UM, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH BE CONSIDERED BICYCLES.
NOW WITH THAT SAID, IF WE WERE GOING TO WANT TO OVERTLY ALLOW THEM, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING THEM IN OUR CODE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, MISSING ANYTHING BY YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO NO, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE SO FACT SPECIFIC.
WELL AGAIN, JUST REALLY MORE OF AN AWARENESS FOR YOU ALL AND KIND OF MAKE SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE PARK BOARD HAS BEEN DISCUSSING AND DOING AND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A STAFF SIDE.
BUT AGAIN, AS ANNE SAID, I WOULD EXPECT AT SOME POINT IF THE CONCERNS GROW, YOU'LL START GETTING EMAILS OR SO, SO WHICH LEADS INTO THE SECOND ITEM IS, UH, STARTING, UH, TO GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF REQUESTS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND SCHOOLS ABOUT WANTING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS YOU'VE ALL BEEN, UH, TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, HAD A LOT OUT AT SCALES AND, AND MURRAY LANE.
SO, YOU KNOW, HERE SCALES, WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD DOWN HERE WHEN, UM, AVERY CAME IN, YOU KNOW, THEY DID THE TRAILS, WE DID THE SIDEWALKS.
SO FROM THE SOUTH SIDE, PRETTY GOOD ACCESS.
WE'RE GETTING INQUIRIES FROM, UH, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS UP HERE.
AND APPARENTLY RIGHT NOW WHAT MOST ARE DOING, AT LEAST FROM JOHNSON CHAPEL IS WALKING ON THE SHOULDER.
AND THEY ARE ASKING US, WHICH WE DO NOT RECOMMEND, IT'S A ROAD.
SO THE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS THAT WE DO THINGS TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THEM TO WALK
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ON THE SHOULDER.AND THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO DO THAT.
THEY WANT REFLECTOR THINGS UP, WHICH DOESN'T ADD ANY MEASURE OF SAFETY.
OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WOULD NEVER SIGN OFF ON THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE PHYSICAL CHALLENGES OF THE LAY OF THE LAND OUT HERE, THIS IS JOHNSON CHAPEL MURRAY LINE, THE LARGE DRAINAGE AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS CREEK THAT RUNS THIS, THIS PICTURE WOULD BE UP HERE.
THIS IS WALKING TOWARDS THE SCHOOL.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO THE SOUTH OF THE SCHOOL, WE HAD FLAT OPEN AREA.
WE COULD GO IN AND PUT IN A SIDEWALK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT ANY IMPACT.
IF WE HAD THAT SAME SITUATION HERE, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT VERY EASILY.
WE JUST DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE THAT SITUATION HERE.
UH, AND TO DO THAT, YOU'D BE GETTING POTENTIALLY INTO T DECK ISSUES.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A, A STREAM, NOT TO MENTION THE COST OF CONVERTING THAT TO UH, MODERN STREAM, RIGHT? HUH? THE MODERN STREAM BLUE LINE STREAM, IT IS A BLUE LINE STREAM.
REALLY CONCRETED, UH, BASIN, BLUE LINE STREAM.
YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS RIGHT AWAY TO THERE, THOSE TWO OWNERS, YOU KNOW, ARE ADAMANT OPPOSED TO IT.
UM, SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BEST ANSWER WOULD BE DO SOMETHING ALONG HERE.
BUT THE, THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
PUTTING SOMETHING THROUGH THERE IS AN OPTION.
IT OBVIOUSLY, IT STILL REQUIRES THE SCHOOLS TO DO SOMETHING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY CROSSING THAT STREAM, BUT YOU'LL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF OPPOSITION FROM THERE.
SO THOSE OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, REMEMBER WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE NOT PURSUED THAT OR RECOMMENDING IT OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION OUT THERE.
SO FOR THE TIME BEING, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING IS THAT WE'RE SAYING WE UNDERSTAND, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE ROAD TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON THERE.
AND WE CANNOT PROMOTE USING THE SHOULDER IN ANY FORM OR FASHION.
SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS.
ARE YOU ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WITH THE METAL? UM, YEAH.
ARE YOU ALLOWED ENGINEERING WISE TO MOVE THAT CLOSER TO THE WHITE LINE SO THEY CAN WALK BEHIND THE RAIL? NO, IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT OLD SERENA ROAD.
IF YOU'VE GOT A ROAD OF THIS SPEED WITH NO SHOULDER, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CLEAR ZONE OUTSIDE THE DRIVING LANE.
THIS WOULD BE FRANKLIN ROAD IN SPADES TRYING TO DO THIS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON FRANKLIN ROAD AND WE'RE HAVING ENOUGH PROBLEM WITH THAT.
OH, YOU MEAN BETWEEN CONCOR AND MURRAY? THIS WOULD BE IN SPADES.
HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU? HOW MEAN DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU ABOUT THIS? FOUR OR FIVE.
AND THEY LIVE IN THE DAHLIA DISTRICT COURT GENERALLY THEY'RE HERE MOSTLY DAHLIA OR FARTHER UP IN OLD TOWN.
BUT THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS ACTION OR YOU'VE GOT THAT ACTION.
SO NOW WE'VE ADVISED FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK IN THIS RIGHT OF WAY HERE, EVEN WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T TELL 'EM THEY CAN'T USE THAT.
SO, HEY KIRK'S PLAYGROUND THERE NOW? YES SIR.
IF I MAY ADD, IF, IF YOU TAKE A CENTER POINT LOCATION IN OLD TOWN AND JUST KIND OF CRUDELY MEASURE IT ON GOOGLE, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 200 FEET LONGER TO GO OUT THE BACK OF OLD TOWN WHERE IT CONNECTS TO DALIA AND UM, TRE T ROW.
AND THEN COME DOWN TO THAT LITTLE SIDEWALK SECTION AND OVER TO THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS YOUR, WHERE KIRK'S TALKING ABOUT WALKING THROUGH.
SO I MEAN IT'S NOT A GREAT DISTANCE LONGER.
SO CUR TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THE BACKSTORY IS ON THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
WAS THAT AT ONE POINT LIKE A ROAD OR WAS THAT A NO, IT'S EASEMENT.
OR IS IT, IT'S, THIS WAS ALL PLATTED IN THE COUNTY.
SO IT WAS A FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY CONNECTION THAT WAS NEVER BUILT OKAY.
WELL I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE SCHOOL WAS THERE.
SCHOOL WAS THE NEIGHBORS GATHERED IN.
SO BACK WHEN SCALES WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION AND ALL THAT AND THEY HAD THE DRIVE THROUGH LINE EITHER ELIMINATED OR GREATLY RESTRICTED WAS I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY.
WAS IT BOTH? ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THIS AREA BECAME A PICKUP SPOT.
THEY WERE TELLING THEIR KIDS, JUST WALK OUT THE BACK DOOR, WALK OVER HERE AND I'LL PICK YOU UP HERE.
SO YOU WERE HAVING PARENTS SHOW UP, PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, PARK UP, UM, MCCLANAHAN HERE, HANG OUT FOR 30 MINUTES.
AND THESE TWO NEIGHBORS HERE, WHO'S THIS NEIGHBOR, THEIR DRIVEWAY COMES IN RIGHT HERE,
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GOT VERY UPSET.UM, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THEN ONCE THE RENOVATION WORK GOT DONE, THE PROBLEM WENT AWAY.
'CAUSE IT WAS STILL EASIER TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL.
BUT IF YOU DID MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT HERE, I DO BELIEVE THERE WOULD STILL BE SOME THAT WOULD BECOME A DEFACTO DROP OFF PICK OFF PLACE.
SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE CONCERN.
IS HAVING ILLEGAL CARS PARKED IN THEIR YARDS OR ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE OR THAT KIND OF THING.
AND AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY OWNER'S DRIVEWAY COMES OUT RIGHT HERE.
SO JUST ALL THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IN THE CARS PARKED AND KIDS ARE WALKING BETWEEN PARKED CARS AND TO GET TO ANOTHER CAR.
SO, I MEAN, HAPPENS TO ME EVERY DAY AND I ACTUALLY LOVE IT.
I MEAN THEY ALL 30 KIDS GET OFF THE BUS IN LENNOX AND WALK THROUGH AND PARENTS ARE PARKED DOWN THERE AND I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT TIME.
YOU GET TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND IT'S JUST THE ATTITUDE.
WELL TO BE HONEST, I MEAN IF YOU ALL TELL US YOU WANNA PURSUE THAT, THEN WE WILL DO ACCORDINGLY.
BUT I'M SAYING AS OF NOW, I HAVE NOT HAD THAT MESSAGE.
SO THIS IS OUR ANSWER IS UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T MAKE THE ROAD LESS SAFE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE SHOULDERS SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON.
I MEAN THIS DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED YEAH.
YEARS AGO BEFORE IT WAS, UH, IN BOTH SIDEWALKS WERE REQUIRED OR ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT TO RETROFIT IS, UM, VERY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
AND YOU START TO GET INTO PROPER PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SO AGAIN, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING, THE OTHER ONE THAT TODD'S BEEN DEALING WITH IS EDMONDSON.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR, UH, CHEN WITH HERE SMITHSON LANE AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER SUBDIVISION UP HERE.
SO, UM, FOR YEARS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN HERE, CAN YOU GET SOMETHING DOWN TO HERE TO CROSS OVER TO THE SCHOOL AND A LITTLE MAYBE EASIER TO DO, NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLY A LITTLE MORE DOABLE.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES AND NECESSARILY YOU GOT DRAINAGE.
BUT, BUT FOR US, WHAT WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING IS, IS WE BELIEVE WE COULD LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING HERE, BUT WE WOULD NOT ENTERTAIN THAT UNTIL THE SCHOOL COMMITS.
'CAUSE NO POINT IN GETTING 'EM ACROSS WHEN YOU CAN'T WALK SAFELY UP FROM THE STREET TO THE SCHOOL AND YOU WOULD WANT, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A CROSSING GUARD THERE.
YOU WOULD NOT WANT IT TO JUST LEAVE IT TO ELEMENTARY KIDS TO CROSS THAT.
EVEN WITH FLASHING LIGHTS, THAT'S, YOU STILL HAVE.
SO FOR YEARS WE'VE ALWAYS SAID IF THE SCHOOL COMMITS TO DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO, WE WOULD TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD THAT YET FROM THE SCHOOLS.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT ONE STANDS.
UM, UH, CROCKETT, WOODLAND, UH, CHANNEL OR CHANNEL, UM, SCHOOLS, IF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THEY AWARE OF IT OR IS IT STRICTLY STAFF TO STAFF, SCHOOL BOARD OR, UH, PARENTS.
PGOS AND GOLF HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN IT.
SO THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST BEEN STAFF TO STAFF CONVERSATIONS.
AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A MAINTENANCE ITEM THAN A, A FACILITY ITEM, BUT BOTH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE AWARE OF IT.
UM, THE EARLIEST POSSIBILITY IS, IS PROBABLY FALL OF 2025 AT THIS POINT.
UM, FOR US THERE'S ABOUT A 400 FOOT LENGTH OF EDMONDSON PIKE WHERE WE'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT I MEAN, WE CAN EITHER BUDGET FOR THAT AND TRY AND COORDINATE THE TIMELINE TO FIT WITH THEIRS IF THEY END UP APPROVING IT.
OR WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
BUT REGARDLESS, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS TO WORK THROUGH.
IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS UNFORTUNATELY WHERE IF WE'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER, IT'S NEVER GONNA GET DONE.
UM, 'CAUSE IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT FROM BOTH PARTIES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I WONDER IF WE EARMARK OUR SUPPORT FOR THE SCHOOL FOR ENOUGH YEARS IN A ROW TO PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK ON THEIR SITE.
AND I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING THIS? I MEAN, IS IT A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE END OF SMITHSON LANE I THINK, OR IS IT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHINWE? I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET THE, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REQUESTS.
I THINK NELSON, YOU BROUGHT ONE FORWARD A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN IT THAT TIME? MOST RECENTLY? I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM TWO RESIDENTS THAT ARE KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER.
AND THE PTO PERSON THOUGH, RIGHT? OR NOT THAT? WELL THAT'S ONE OF THEM.
I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU, THAT MANY PEOPLE WOULD.
BUT IF WE HEAR FROM, HONESTLY, IF WE'RE HEARING FROM ONE OR TWO, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SHARE THAT.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER THEY HELP US NOW
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ENGAGING AN ENGINEER.CAN YOU ALL LIKE DO A, UH, A THUMBNAIL TYPE OF BUDGETARY GUESS ON WHAT THAT KIND OF WORK WOULD BE? SO IN THE EVENT THERE'S SOME TRACTION WITH, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND A COMMITMENT, WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT FINANCIAL COMMITMENT WOULD BE AND TO, AND TO THANK YOU.
AND TO CLARIFY ON TOP OF THAT, WE WOULDN'T BILL OR PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK ON COUNTY PROPERTY.
WE WOULD ONLY DO IT ON CITY PROPERTY.
AND WE WOULD DO, WE'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OFF ROAD HERE, SO YOU'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE THINK YOU CAN STAY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
JUST VERY QUICKLY, ABERDEEN AND, AND, UH, DEERY.
SO CROCKETT WOODLAND UP HERE, UH, SOMERSET, WE HAVE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS PUT SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE THAT WALK INTO HERE.
THEY ALREADY HAVE SPEED HUMPS FOR TRAFFIC.
WE HAD A, A MINOR STUDENT ACCIDENT THE LAST LAST DAY OF SCHOOL.
LAST DAY OF SCHOOL LAST YEAR WHERE CARS WERE STOPPED, STUDENT TRIED TO CROSS OVER, WENT BETWEEN, STOPPED CARS AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, WAS ALMOST HIT OR WAS HE HE WAS HIT.
SO JUST YOU CAN SAY, WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS HERE JUST TO TRY TO GET HIM.
'CAUSE WHAT YOU HAD HAPPENING BEFORE IS A TON OF KIDS WALKING IN PACKS AND THEY WERE JUST WALKING DOWN THE ROAD OR ON THE EDGE.
SO WE PUT THESE SIDEWALKS TO GET TO THAT FIRST INTERSECTION.
THEY NOW WANT IT TO BE EXTENDED A LITTLE FARTHER BEFORE IT DUMPS OUT TO THE ROAD.
THERE'S PLENTY OF FLAT SPACE TO DO THAT.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A FOUR, WHETHER IT'S MERIT'S, A FOUR-WAY STOP HERE.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT, THAT MIGHT MAKE IT ACTUALLY WORSE.
SO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOKING AT THAT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
AND THEN OUR SPLIT LOG AND CHARITY.
SO BACK ON THAT ONE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ANOTHER SPOT WHERE WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE JUST STOPPING THE CARS AND ALMOST STAYING PARKED ON THE STREET.
HAS THAT BEEN ALLEVIATED? I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO DO A KIND, A SOCIAL CAMPAIGN ON THAT TO SAY, HEY, DON'T, DON'T BE THAT PERSON.
AND, AND THERE'S BEEN POLICE ENFORCEMENT OF IT.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO YOU KNOW, WRAP ON THEIR WINDOW AND REMIND THEM THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.
WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT IN MULTIPLE SCHOOLS, SEVERAL SIGNS.
BUT IS IT, IS IT KIND OF ALLEVIATED, HAS IT GOTTEN BETTER? 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD CO I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS.
COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS ON THAT ONE.
SO IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN REASONABLY EFFECTIVE TO THE POINT THAT TABBY'S KINDERGARTEN TEACHER THAT LIVES ON EMERY, UH, HAS CALLED AND TALKING ABOUT.
UH, KEN ROSEN'S, OR SPLIT LOG IN CHARITY, UH, ACCESS POINT TO KEN ROSE UP HERE, RAVENWOOD MAYBE A LITTLE BIT.
YOU CAN ALSO GET TO RAVENWOOD THAT WAY.
UM, BUT THIS IS ALSO A PRETTY HEAVY PEDESTRIAN BIKE JUST IN GENERAL INTERSECTION WITH BIKE LANE HERE.
SO IF WE HAD TO REQUEST ABOUT A, A MARKED CROSSWALK THERE, UM, AGAIN, CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT, UH, GIVEN THE SPEED AND THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON SPLIT LOG AND THE FACT THAT IT BACKS UP.
SO YOU'D HAVE IN THE MORNINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STOP AND GO WAY BACK HERE.
PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS BETWEEN STOP CARS AND ALL THAT.
MURRAN, WE'RE KIND OF HOLDING OFF ON ANYTHING RELATED TO JUST A CROSSWALK.
THAT IS, WELL, IT'S, IT'S STRONGLY DISCOURAGED BY GREG JUDY WHO GAVE US HIS OPINION.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES.
THIS ALL NOW CONNECTS INTO MORGAN FARMS AND THEN, THEN TRADITIONS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY OUT TO CHU.
IT'S GONNA GET A WHOLE LOT WORSE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING, UH, HAVE ASKED GREAT, JUDY TO GIVE US A PROPOSAL TO GO AHEAD AND JUST DO A SIGNAL OKAY.
WARRANT STUDY AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SEE WHERE IT MEETS TODAY, KNOWING THAT IT'S PROBABLY ONLY GONNA GROW FROM THERE.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS THE CHARITY.
IF YOU GO SOUTH, IT'S THE CHARITY DRIVE IN ENGLE HEIGHT, SPEED, SPEED TABLE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
IT, THE ROAD TURNS AND IT GOES UPHILL.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO A, A SIGNAL WARRANT THERE.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT WARRANT TODAY.
UM, BUT I THINK IF IT DOESN'T, IT GIVES US A BASELINE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU SIGNALIZE IT, THEN YOU HAVE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND ALL THE REST OF THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR RESEARCHING THAT.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT TODD IS, UH, DEALING WITH, THIS IS THE CURRENT LIST, INCLUDING ONE ADDED THIS MORNING OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME DEGREE ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING BRENT MEAD.
WE ARE WELL INTO, UM, LOOKING AT ROUNDABOUTS, MANY ROUNDABOUTS AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS THERE.
WE'VE HAD THAT GREG JUDY'S DONE HIS STUDY RECOMMENDED HOW THEY COULD LAY IN THERE.
AND SO IT'S IN THE HOAS HANDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD FOR THE SUPPORT AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO ADD TRAFFIC VOLUME? 60%.
SO SUPER MAJORITY, BUT NOT, UH, BUT NOT UNANIMOUS.
UM, HAM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME SPACES, IT'S KIND OF IN THE HOAS HANDS NOW TO, TO GATHER THOSE PETITION SUPPORTS.
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BEL RIE FOLLOWING THE ACCIDENT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEIR BOTH HOAS NOT NEXT WEEK, BUT THE FOLLOWING WEEK I THINK, OR A COUPLE WEEKS OUT.ARE THERE ONLY TWO HOAS IN THERE? YES.
SO DEKE MONT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN, NOR DOES, YOU KNOW, SO HIGHLANDS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH BELL RIE ONE AND BELL RIE TWO HOAS.
IF SOMEBODY KNOWS OF SOMETHING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
THERE'S A, IS THERE A HIGHLANDS? THERE'S A DIMONT DOWNS AND THE HIGHLANDS OF BEL REEF, BUT I, THE WAY WE'VE KIND OF GOT OUR POLICY STRUCTURED REALLY SHOULD ONLY AFFECT THE TWO BELL RES, I THINK FROM A, A REQUEST STANDPOINT.
IN TERMS OF, THEY MIGHT FEED INTO THAT PATH, BUT, BUT IF BEL RIE DRIVE DOES NOT GO THROUGH THEM THOUGH H OAS TECHNICALLY THEY WOULD NOT, WOULD HAVE ANY JURISDICTION.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING IF WE GO, THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTORY MEETING.
SO IF IT GOES FORWARD THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAYBE WANNA ENGAGE.
AND IN, IN BEL REEB, I'VE HAD SOME, SOME NEIGHBORS WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, REACH OUT AGAIN ABOUT, IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW YEARS BACK, THERE'S THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO A BIKE PEDESTRIAN PATH BACK BY THE RIVER BEHIND THE HOUSES, THROUGH SOME COMMON AREA AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
BUT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE HAVE BEEN RESURRECTING THAT CONVERSATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE SAME HOMEOWNERS THAT OBJECTED LAST TIME STILL LIVE THERE OR NOT, BUT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE THERE AND ARE STILL THERE ARE, I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN TO ANYTHING.
SO, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING ONES ARE JUST ALL IN A, A VARIETY OF, UH, OF INTEREST.
THE LAURELS, IT'S CHARITY DRIVE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE TWO SPEED TABLES IN HIGHLAND, UH, ISLAND PARK.
THERE ARE TWO EXISTING SPEED TABLES.
REALLY? TWO OF OUR ONLY SPEED TABLES.
UM, I THINK THE ONE ON CENTER VIEW MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A SPEED TABLE, BUT OH, YEAH.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING MORE, THAT ONE HAS MOVED FAR ENOUGH ALONG THAT IT'S IN THE PETITION PHASE.
I, I WILL NOTE THAT OFTEN TIMES, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE HERE, THESE THINGS WILL MOVE KIND OF ROBUSTLY ALONG.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THEY PETER OUT.
IS IT THE PETITIONS, THE HOAS WILL REPORTEDLY HAVE STRONG INTEREST ON THE FRONT END.
UM, IN, IN THIS CASE, THERE MIGHT BE, AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT LET'S SAY THERE'S 60 HOMES THAT ARE REQUIRED, WE NEED TWO THIRDS OF THAT WOULD BE 40.
I'VE GOTTEN LIKE FIVE RESPONSES AND TWO OF THOSE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, AGAINST THE MEASURE.
SO, AND, AND WE HAVE TO COUNT ANY NO RESPONSE FROM AN ADDRESS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET AS A NO VOTE.
SO IF YOU FAIL TO RESPOND, THAT'S COUNTED AS A NO VOTE, I GUESS.
SO REALLY THE INTENT HERE IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS, AND THIS IS, I MEAN, TODD'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DEALS WITH THIS STUFF.
IT'S NOBODY ELSE IN HIS DEPARTMENT THAT DEALS WITH IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF JUST TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO THIS THAT GENERALLY RESULTS IN, IN NOTHING HAPPENING AND EXPENSE.
SO YEAH, ESPECIALLY TO THE EXPENSE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START DOING ENGINEERING STUDIES TO JUSTIFY SOME THINGS LIKE THE BURNT MEAD ROUNDABOUTS, I MEAN, THAT WAS 10 GRAND TO DETERMINE, UM, COULD WE DO IT? WHAT WOULD THEY, AND THE REASON WE DID, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT IS ONE, IT SETS A TEMPLATE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TWO, WE KNOW THAT WITH THE PARK OPENING AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THAT'S ONLY GONNA BECOME AN INCREASING CONCERN AMONG THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF DO THE FULL EFFORT OF WHAT COULD BE DONE THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE TOO LATE FOR THE FALL NEWSLETTER, BUT WITH THIS KIND OF INTEREST IN SPEED HOPS, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO DO AN ARTICLE ON INFORMING PEOPLE ABOUT THE POLICY AND HOW THE THING WORKS AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK TODD'S FIRST POINT PROBABLY RIGHT NOW IS THAT'S JUST GOING TO GENERATE MORE CALLS TO HIM, BUT YEAH.
BUT IT MIGHT ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND FOUR STYLES.
MUCH OF THE INFORMATION'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ALWAYS POINT PEOPLE TO.
BUT I REALLY, WHAT I'M WANTING YOU ALL TO SEE HERE IS THAT IF YOU GET COMPLAINTS THAT, WELL, I CAN'T GET ANY INFORMATION, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT HE CAN DO TO TRY TO KEEP THESE THINGS GOING ON.
SO WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THOSE THAT ARE FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.
AND IF, IF ALL OF THESE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRETTY CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE ON OUR PART AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
SO JUST, THIS MADE ME THINK BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE IN MCGAVIC FARMS THAT HAVE CALLED ME ABOUT THE STOP SIGNS IN MCGAVIC FARMS. AND SO WE, WE PUT STOP SIGNS AS A CALMING DEVICE.
NO, THEY'RE NOT A TOPIC, THEY'RE NOT A CALMING DEVICE.
THE ONES IN MCGAVICK FARMS IS DRIVING THE PEOPLE CRAZY DEVICE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST SLOWING DOWN.
AND HE'S LIKE, CAN'T THEY, LIKE, CAN'T YOU JUST HAVE POLICE OUT THERE? WE CAN'T HAVE POLICE EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW? BUT C COULD, AND I JUST ASKED THIS, WE HIRE POLICEMEN ON SUNDAYS AT CHURCHES.
IF THESE PEOPLE WANTED TO PAY A POLICEMAN,
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CAN THEY, CAN THEY PAY A POLICEMAN TO SIT AT A STOP SIGN TO, TO MAKE SURE, LIKE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, HIRE A POLICEMAN TO, TO RUN SECURITY TO ENFORCE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TOO, PEOPLE COME TO US AND SAY, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS A GREAT, IT IS.WELL, HOW ABOUT WE WILL DO THIS? LET'S PUT IT BACK ON YOU THOUGH.
IF YOU GUYS THINK IT'S SUCH A PROBLEM AND YOU WANNA PLAY A POLICEMAN TO SIT OUT THERE.
AND I, I JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD HESITATE FOR, FOR AN OFF-DUTY OFFICER HIRED BE DOING CITY WORK.
NOW, WITH THAT SAID, AND WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK FOR CHIEF, I KNOW THAT, THAT OUR OFFICERS DO ROTATE UPON REQUESTS OF YEAH.
OF HOAS WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SO.
BUT I, AS FAR AS HIRING AN OFF-DUTY OFFICER, DO I JUST, JUST A THOUGHT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD LOOK INTO, RIGHT? JUST I'M SURE EVERY SUBDIVISION WITH FOUR WAY STOPS HAS THE SAME PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S LARGELY, THERES A RELATIVE, IT'S LARGELY BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE FOUR-WAY STOPS DON'T NEED TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE PUT IN TRYING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
AND THAT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR TRUE TRAFFIC CONTROL, YEAH, IT GETS IGNORED, YOU KNOW? BUT IF AN HOA BOARD HIRES A POLICE OFFICER TO TICKET HOA MEMBERS
ANY SINGLE ONE CAN, CAN TAKE SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH.
THIS INFLUX, WHICH HAS LARGELY COME ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF SCHOOL, IS JUST GONNA SLOW THINGS DOWN.
I MEAN, WE'VE ONLY GOT THE ABILITY TO WORK ON ONE PARTICULAR AREA AT A TIME.
SO, AND POTENTIALLY ALL OF THESE POTENTIALLY, IF THEY MOVE FAR ENOUGH ALONG AND INVOLVE US SPENDING MONEY WITH SOME PRIVATE ENGINEERS FOR REVIEWING THINGS, SO, AND SPEED TABLES DON'T HAVE A PARTICIPATION.
SO THOSE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT AS, AND THEY'RE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE, AS WOULD THE ROUNDABOUTS IN BRENT MEAD WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CITY FUNDED.
AND THE MEDIAN ISLANDS, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ISLAND WOULD BE ON US, BUT THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE TO BUY THE HO.
UM, SO THAT'S IT FOR THE, AGAIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON OUR END, BECAUSE I, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD EMAILS ABOUT BIKES AND SCOOTERS AND EVERYBODY KNOW STUFF IS REALLY SURPRISINGLY, EVERYBODY, TODD TODD HAS BECOME SO POPULAR THROUGH OUR SOCIAL PAGES.
BUT I'M SAYING AS WE'RE STARTING TO TELL PEOPLE, SORRY.
NO, THAT USUALLY THEN GENERATES, DOES JUST KEEP US FROM HITTING POPULARITY VOTE QUICKLY,
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, AND I, TODD, CAN YOU ANSWER THIS? TODD SAYS, NO, I WANT IT, BUT TODD SAYS NO.
THE, UM, SO THAT'S IT ON THOSE ISSUES.
UM, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER MELLON JUST HAD TO LEAVE.
SHE TOLD ME THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE, AND IT'S UP TO Y'ALL WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY OR LATER, IS, IS WE'RE WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP RELATIVE TO THE RACKET FACILITY GIVEN, UM, THAT MR. PATTON HAS, HAS, UM, HAS BOWED OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO I'M, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT WITH HER, I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE I HAD TO BE LATE THIS MORNING, BUT YEAH.
AND SHE LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE, IF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, SHE CERTAINLY FAVORS PURSUING THAT.
IF THAT WAS A DISCUSSION, I, I'D LIKE DIGEST THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, UNLESS Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO DIGEST IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WE JUST FOUND OUT HE'S OUT OF THE PICTURE AND, RIGHT.
I MEAN, I THINK, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER IS, BUT I'M WILLING, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, YOU'RE BACK TO, DO YOU DO IT OR NOT AS THE, AS SOLELY AS THE CITY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.
AND THEN IF YOU DO DO IT, THEN YOU'RE BACK TO DO WE RUN IT OURSELVES OR DO WE LOOK AT A MANAGEMENT ARRANGEMENT TO OPERATE THE FACILITY? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS OTHER THOUGHTS ON, I WAS SORRY TO SEE HIM BACK OUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE, HE VERY RELIABLE PARTNER, BUT WELL, IT SEEMED TO BE OUR BEST BET OF GETTING BACK TOWARDS SOMETHING AS GOOD AS A POSSIBLE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE OUR EX BEST SOLUTION, BUT WHEN THEY DECIDED IT WASN'T IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS TO PARTNER WITH US, DID THEY ELABORATE ON WHY AT ALL? OR DID THEY JUST SAY, THANKS? YOU TALKING ABOUT SPENCER SP WAS SPECIAL LOGISTICS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I MET WITH HIM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM.
I THINK IT WAS JUST ALL THE, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE GAVE YOU ANYTHING
IT WAS JUST ALL THE UNCERTAINTY OF AN, OF A, OF A THIRD ENTITY OR SECOND, THIRD ENTITY, WHATEVER YOU WANT CALL IT, COMING INTO IT WITH WHO KNOWS WHO THAT IS.
AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK WAS THE, THE OVERRIDING, UH, THING WAS JUST ALL THAT UNCERTAINTY OF, OF THE, OF THE DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD AND CONCERNS ABOUT WHO, 'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY HE WOULD'VE BEEN, FROM AN OPERATING STANDPOINT, ANSWERING TO THIS IDB
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NOT TO YOU ALL, ONCE IT GOT UP AND RUNNING.AND I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN ON HIS PART ABOUT THAT AND WHO THAT WAS.
AND I THINK HE HAD GOTTEN COMFORTABLE WITH YOU ALL AND MYSELF, BUT THAT JUST CREATED A COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, UNCERTAINTY AS TO HOW THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA WORK GOING FORWARD.
SO A AGAIN, I DON'T, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO Y'ALL HOW YOU WANNA I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT, HOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS, A DISCUSSION, WHETHER YOU WANNA DEDICATE SOME TIME AT A FUTURE BRIEFING.
UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SPENCER PATTON, UM, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, WHAT, EIGHT MONTHS? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS.
UM, AND IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE MOMENTUM THAT WAS STARTED FOUR YEARS AGO, UM, ABOUT TENNIS.
AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE HUNDREDS OF EMAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM RESIDENTS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, KIRK, IF, IF ONE OR TWO EMAIL RESIDENTS EMAIL, THAT REPRESENTS LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO EMAIL.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAD MEETINGS IN THIS ROOM THAT WERE PACKED FULL OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN GIVING TWO HOURS OUTTA THEIR MORNING TO COME TO LEARN ABOUT IT.
SO THE, THE DEMAND IS THERE FROM THE RESIDENTS.
THEIR WISH IS FOR US TO DO SOMETHING.
SO ALL HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE IDEA OF A MANAGEMENT COMPANY SOUNDS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.
I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS.
I EMAILED KIRK TO LET HIM KNOW THAT I WAS OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN LEARNING.
UM, WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT THOSE FROM ALL THE COMPANIES YOU RESEARCHED.
ARE THERE OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE? YEAH.
AND IF WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR RATE OF RETURN, WHAT ARE THEY INTERESTED IN, WHAT ARE THEIR REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION.
UM, EVEN IF WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH A PRIVATE PARTNER, WE WOULD HAVE BUILT THE BUILDING OURSELVES.
AND THAT WAS THE PATH WE WERE HEADED DOWN ANYWAY.
SO, UM, TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL, IT'S BEEN A FOUR YEAR PROCESS.
LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR EYES ON IT.
PEOPLE HAVE PLENTY TIME TO LEARN, LEARN, LOOK.
UM, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND MY OPINION IS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
AND THE MOST, UM, IMMEDIATE STEP IN MY OPINION IS TO FIND OUT ABOUT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND WHAT THEY COULD AND COULDN'T DO FOR US SO THAT WE CAN SET AN EXPECTATION OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK A MORE IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR ME IS WHAT WOULD THE TOTAL COST OF THIS BE? SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE A PARTNER.
I MEAN, THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR YEAR, WELL, NO, A YEAR.
THEY HAVE SINCE THE, NO, LET ME FINISH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT COSTS HAVE CHANGED AND IT'S FINE TO SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND FIND A MANAGEMENT PARTNER THAT, BUT LET'S FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD CAUSE FIRST.
I I'M SAYING I NEED TO KNOW THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T, BUT I DO.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD, CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN WOULD BE.
MR. PATTON BROUGHT US AN, AN IDEA OF WHAT HE WANTED, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE WHAT CAME OUT OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL WELL YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED FOR SURE IF YOU WANT THE SEVENTH TENNIS COURT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND TO ME, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM BEFORE I EVER, WHICH LOOK AT, IN FACT, I CAN SAFELY SAY RIGHT NOW, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR IT.
IF THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR IT BY ITSELF WITHOUT A PARTNER, I, I DON'T WANNA MISLEAD YOU AT ALL.
SO YOU JUST KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN HONEST ANSWER TO YOU.
I, I THOUGHT WE HAD A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY WITH THE COUNTY AND WE WALKED AWAY FROM IT.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE SAY THEY WALKED AWAY FROM US, BUT WE LEFT THEM NO CHOICE.
WE TURNED THEM DOWN SO MANY TIMES.
THEY FINALLY, THEY HAD TO MAKE COMMITMENTS WITH THEIR MONEY.
AND WE, WE, AND IF THIS, IF THE BOARD OR THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD ARE FINE WITH US SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY, THEN SO BE IT.
BUT I WILL VOTE MY CONSCIENCE ON THIS, AND IT'S REFLECTIVE OF HOW I'VE SERVED AS A CITY COMMISSIONER.
I'VE TRIED TO BE VERY COST AWARE OF WHAT WE'VE SPENT OUR MONEY ON AND WHAT THE RETURN ON THAT WILL BE.
AND I JUST THINK THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY FOR US TO BEAR WHEN WE COULD HAVE SHARED THAT COST WITH SOMEONE.
SO THAT'S JUST, I, I'LL JUST LAY IT OUT TODAY.
SO THERE'S NO, NO QUESTIONS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD ABOUT WHERE I STAND ON THAT.
SO I, I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE A FINAL PLAN BECAUSE SPENCER'S PLAN CALLED FOR SOME THINGS AND THAT
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WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT IN THERE.BUT TO ME, WE FINALIZE THAT PLAN AND I DO THINK IT'S GONNA STILL BE WITHIN RELATIVELY THE SAME DOLLARS.
WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS.
THEN I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO, I MEAN, I THINK IN MY MIND IS I'M GOOD WITH US BUILDING A FACILITY.
IS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR THE DEPARTURES DEPARTMENT THAT RUNS IT? THAT'S THE BIGGER QUESTION FOR ME.
AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TO ME.
LET'S GET THE BUILDING, WE GET INFORMATION FROM YOU ON THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR NOT.
TWO DECISIONS TO MAKE, VOTE ON THE FINAL PLAN, VOTE ON THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND, UH, I HAVE TO DISAGREE SOMEWHAT WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF THE SUPPORT FOR IT.
BECAUSE WHILE I DO KNOW, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, WE HAD DOZENS OF ABSOLUTE TENANTS AFICIONADOS SHOW UP FOR A COMMISSION MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK IN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S OWN REPORT, IT IDENTIFIES I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE, IN THE HUNT OF 750 OR 800 DISPLACED TENNIS PLAYERS BY THE YMCA FACILITY COMING DOWN AND SPENDING AN EXCESS OF $10 MILLION, IF NOT MUCH MORE, FOUR HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
WHEN WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT AFFECT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON THE TABLE.
I JUST THINK IT'S, IT, IT, IT FEELS LIKE A PET PROJECT TO ME, FRANKLY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I COULD GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT SOMEWHAT AS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS WITH US.
BUT DOING IT AS A CITY ONLY THING AND GIVEN THE SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND NOT TO MENTION, EVEN SINCE THAT HIGH COMMITTEE, I THINK TENNIS PLAYERS HAVE FOUND OTHER, OTHER PLACES TO PLAY AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE MARKET FOR TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL.
SO, I MEAN, THIS FEELS LIKE A DISTRACTION AND IT FEELS LIKE A POOR USE OF CITY RESOURCES.
I, I JUST THINK THE COUNT, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS COUNTY THING.
THE COUNTY'S NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT IN THE MIX.
FIND THE DESIGN IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD OR NOT BUILD IT IN A MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR NOT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I VOTING AGAINST DIDN'T INTERRUPT YI DIDN'T INTERRUPT Y'ALL.
AND AGAIN, THE NUMBERS WE HAVE, WE HAVE NUMBERS, WE HAVE DATA THAT SAYS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WE HAVE SOME THAT SAYS IT'S NOT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION YOURSELF.
AND I THINK THAT'S FINE AND THAT'S JUST REFLECTIVE IN THE VOTE.
BUT JUST TO KEEP SAYING, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS OFF, PUT THIS OFF.
LET'S JUST BRING IT FORWARD AND LET'S MOVE THIS.
I TOLD YOU I'M NOT PUTTING IT OFF.
I'M SAYING HOW I'M VOTING NO SECRET.
UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING NO.
I REMEMBER AT, WHEN WE GAVE THE MONEY AWAY A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE GUY FROM THE BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB MENTIONED THE VAST NUMBERS OF KIDS WHO PLAY BALL.
AND I WENT, WELL, THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT MORE NUMBERS THAN WE HEARD FROM THE TENNIS PEOPLE.
I MEAN, YES, IT WAS AMAZING, AMAZING HOW MANY KIDS PLAY.
THAT'S, THOSE NUMBERS ARE REALLY HUGE NUMBERS.
SO I BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE I WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO SET TO GO WITH THAT ROUTE.
I WAS WANTING TO GO WITH MR. PATTON.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR FROM DAY ONE THAT I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR BRENTWOOD DOING IT.
I THINK YOU SAID BASICALLY RIGHT THEN THE SAME THING, DIDN'T YOU? AND, AND WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS I'M, I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY I COULD AT SOME LEVEL BE COMFORTABLE WHEN THERE'S SOMEONE BESIDES THE BRENTWOOD TAXPAYERS WHO IS TAKING THE DOWNSIDE RISK.
'CAUSE AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DOWNSIDE RISK OF GETTING INTO A NEW BUSINESS AND A SPECULATIVE VENTURE.
AND I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, BUSINESS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ONE AREA, SINK THEMSELVES BY GETTING INTO SOMETHING NEW.
THINKING THE PAST SUCCESS WOULD CARRY FORWARD AND NOT PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM DOWNSIDE RISK.
SO IN TERMS OF WHY I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OKAY WITH THE COUNTY, 'CAUSE THEY WERE TAKING THE DOWNSIDE RISK FOR THE BRENTWOOD TAXPAYERS WITH THE PATENT LOGISTICS, AND THEY WERE ACCEPTING THE DOWNSIDE RISK AS IT WAS A NEW BUSINESS VENTURE DOING SOMETHING WHERE THE BRENTWOOD TAXPAYERS ARE ON THE HOOK FOR, FOR THE DOWNSIDE RISK.
AS WE ENTER A COMPLETELY NEW VENTURE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERTISE DOING, STRIKES ME AS UNWISE AND, AND, AND A BAD IDEA, SOMETHING THAT REALLY STICKS OUT TO ME, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST YEAR, 18 MONTHS, IS THERE'S FIVE COMPANIES, NATIONAL COMPANIES, ONCE COMING HERE IN BRENTWOOD THAT HAVE DECIDED TO BUILD PICKLEBALL FACILITIES.
IT'S NO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T PLAY PICKLEBALL DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.
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WANT TO GO IN MORE POWER TO YOU IN THAT SAME 18 MONTHS.I'VE HEARD NOBODY BUILDING PRIVATE TENNIS FACILITIES.
SO AS A BUSINESS PERSON, THAT GIVES ME GREAT PAUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT, IT HAS TO BE IN BRENTWOOD.
THERE IS LAND, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LAND ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT I IT NOWHERE IN THE NASHVILLE AREA HAVE I HEARD IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
NOW THERE KEEPS BEING THIS THING IN SPRING HILL, BUT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR I THINK EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.
UM, BUT THAT'S GIVEN ME PAUSE ON IT, EVEN WITH A PRIVATE PARTNER.
UM, I THOUGHT MR. PATTON WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A GOOD PARTNER FOR THE CITY.
I THINK HE HAD GOOD MOTIVES AND I THINK HE'S A HONORABLE PERSON.
UH, THE COUNTY I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE BRENTWOOD TAXPAYERS ALREADY PAID MONEY INTO THE COUNTY.
I DON'T THINK THEY OFTEN RECEIVE BACK ALL THAT THEY PAY IN, AND THAT WOULD BE SOME OF THEIR TAX DOLLARS COMING BY.
BUT IT IS FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE TIRED OF ME WALKING, BUT BECAUSE OF MY BACK LEG INJURY, I HAVE TO WALK ALL THE TIME KEEPING FROM LOCKING UP CROCKETT, TENNIS COURTS, EVEN GORGEOUS DAYS.
IT'S RARE I EVER SEE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO COURTS IN USE.
AND I GO AT ALL KINDS OF TIMES OF THE DAY.
SOMETIMES I WALK IN THE MORNING AND THEN I WALK IN THE AFTERNOON, SOMETIMES GO RIGHT BEFORE DUST 'CAUSE SOMEONE'S, THEY'RE ALMOST AT DAWN, UH, DON'T EXPECT 'EM THERE.
THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK, I THINK ON TUESDAY MORNING AROUND NINE OR 10.
AND ON WEDNESDAY MORNING AROUND NINE OR 10, THE COURTS WILL BE FULL.
BUT IF YOU GO BACK AT LUNCH OR ONE O'CLOCK, EVEN ON A DAY WHEN IT'S ONLY 75 OR 80 DEGREES, THERE'S ONE COURT IN USE.
AND THAT, THOSE ARE GREAT COURTS THERE.
I I'M NOT A TENNIS PLAYER, BUT THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL, GREAT COURTS WELL MAINTAINED.
WE JUST RECENTLY, WHAT, TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO, DAVE COULD SAY TOTALLY REDID ALL THE COURTS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DOWN FOR LIKE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS.
AND I THOUGHT, OKAY MAN, AS SOON AS THEY GET THIS FINISHED, THESE THINGS WILL BE PACKED.
MY BOSS ALSO NOTICED THAT AT GRANNY WHITE PARK.
UM, I HAD, I OBSERVED THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN I WALKED THROUGH THE PARKS AND HAVE FOR YEARS, BUT I ESPECIALLY HAVE IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND UP IT, IT GIVES ME PAUSE IF, IF, IF I'M INVESTING MY MONEY, THAT'S NOT AN INVESTMENT I WOULD MAKE.
BUT MY, THE CITIZEN'S MONEY IS LIKE WAY UPON HERE ON WHAT I WOULD DO COMPARED TO WHAT I MIGHT DO IF IT WAS MY MONEY.
LITTLE, LITTLE BITTY PERCENTAGES.
I PILE A LOT OF STUFF IN BRENTWOOD.
I HAVE PROPERTY TAXES, ET CETERA.
SO THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE.
UH, WE CAN CONTINUE ON AND GET PRICES, WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT'S GOOD.
BUT I HAVE REAL, JUST REAL WORLD LOOKING AT THINGS, REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS WILL BE.
AND SO, UH, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, 'CAUSE AS MAYOR I WAS APPROACHED AND WORKED WITH, BUT IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S LESS, IT'S LESS VIABLE IN MY MIND NOW, ESPECIALLY IN, BECAUSE WE'VE DELAYED IT 18 MONTHS THAN IT WAS EVEN BACK MAY OF 23.
UH, AND EVEN THEN, I WASN'T CONVINCED THAT WE WERE EVEN GONNA PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WERE GONNA NEGOTIATE FOR 90 DAYS, KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH MR. PATTON.
I WAS GONNA KIND OF WAIT AND SEE HOW THE NEGOTIATIONS WENT, WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE.
AND THEN, BUT SINCE THEN, THAT TO ME, THAT'S VERY TELLING THAT THERE'S FIVE COMPANIES PUTTING DOWN BIG DOLLARS COMING HERE, PICKLEBALL FACILITIES, AND NOT ASKING FOR ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE.
AND HAVING HAD ONE DO A TENNIS FACILITY.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL NASHVILLE IN THE SIX OR SEVEN SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
SO, AND, UH, RICHLAND COUNTRY CLUB.
RICHLAND COUNTRY CLUB, THAT'S A COUNTRY CLUB.
WHAT, WHAT? NO, YOU JUST SAID ANY, NO TENNIS COURT ADDED NEVADA TENNIS COURTS MEMBERS.
THAT'S A PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB PRIVATE.
THAT, THAT THE DUES ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.
WELL, FOR A PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT LETTING THE PUBLIC IN.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WERE NO METRO TAX DOLLARS OR STATE TAX DOLLARS OR WHATEVER DAVIDSON COUNTY TAX DOLLARS.
THEY'RE PUT, THEY'RE PUTTING ALL THE PROFIT IN THEIR POCKET.
I'M A I'M SORRY, WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING? UM, GO AHEAD
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AND THEN, UH, I HAVE SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADD.UM, THANKFULLY, UH, I'M NOT A TENNIS PLAYER.
I HAVE REALLY NO BACKGROUND, BUT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN SO MUCH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND I'M CONTINUALLY IMPRESSED WITH, UM, THE ABILITY OF OUR CITY TO RESEARCH AND DO GREAT WORK, UM, TO FIND GOOD DATA.
WE HAVE, UM, HOW MUCH A WHAT A FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, YES, THERE ARE A FEW DETAILS THAT ARE LEFT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE THE DECISION ON THAT.
UM, AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST.
WE KNOW WE'VE TALKED THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS OF ALL THE THINGS OF, UM, HOW WE CAN PARTNER, HOW WE CAN'T PARTNER, WHAT WE CAN DO.
I MEAN, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ROBUST AND FACT-BASED AND VERY IMPRESSIVE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
UM, AND THERE ARE, UM, SO MANY PIECES OF DATA THAT LEND TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
UM, THE RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN OVERWHELMINGLY THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND THEY UNDERSTAND THOSE THAT PLAY TENNIS AND THOSE THAT ARE LEARNING LIKE ME ABOUT IT UNDERSTAND THAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS SO UNIQUE HERE BECAUSE, UM, MOST OF WHAT WE DO WITH ALL OF WHAT WE DO, BASICALLY WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS IS WE INVEST THEM INTO SOMETHING AND WE KEEP INVESTING AND WE KEEP ADDING ON THAT, THAT ANNUAL BASIS.
HOWEVER, UM, KAREN ACCOUNTS FOR THAT IN THE ACCOUNTING WORLD, BUT ON THIS SPECIFIC INSTITUTE OR OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE, THOSE TAX HOURS TO BE ACTUALLY PAID BACK TO THE CITY.
SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY A LOAN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT PAY PLAY TENNIS WILL BE PAYING TO PLAY AND THEN THEY'LL BE PAYING THAT BACK TO THE CITY.
AND THAT'S A NEW THING WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.
AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO THINK ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN ONCE THAT MONEY IS PAID BACK TO THE CITY, THEN THERE'LL BE A, A REVENUE STREAM EVERY YEAR.
SO IT IS A, EFFECTIVELY, THE TAXPAYERS ARE LOANING THEIR MONEY, IT GETS PAID BACK TO US, AND THEN WE HAVE AN INCOME STREAM FROM THIS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.
UM, WHICH IS A GREAT DIVERSIFICATION, IN MY OPINION, OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY'S RESOURCES, OUR CITIZENS, UH, TAXES AND ASSETS.
SO, SO WE, UM, I'M NOT FINISHED.
UM, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND THE UP, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOWNSIDE RISK, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT UPSIDE RISK.
AND THE UPSIDE IS THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BRENTWOOD ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, THE AMENITIES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRAILS ALL DAY.
UM, THEY ARE ANXIOUS TO HAVE THIS AMENITY AND THEY'VE MADE THAT, UM, CLEAR WITH THEIR EMAILS AND WITH THEIR PRESENCE AND THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH THIS PROCESS.
SO WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN SITTING AT THE CUSP FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, UM, OF BUILDING A TENNIS FACILITY AND WE'VE PAUSED WISELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISSTEP.
AND WE'VE SAID, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SAID, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER TO MAKE, TAKE TIME AND MAKE A GOOD PLAN THAN IT IS TO MAKE A MISTAKE AND HAVE TO REDO IT.
AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN PAUSED FOR THE LAST NINE MONTHS NOW, OR 10 MONTHS OR 14 MONTHS OR HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU, WHATEVER PAUSE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, START FROM, UM, WE'VE LEARNED AND WE'VE BEEN CONFIRMED.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED, OUR DATA IS, IS GOOD.
AND YES, PRICES HAVE GONE UP IN OTHER AREAS, BUT THANKFULLY WE HAVE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO BUDGETING.
AND THOSE NUMBERS WERE FACTORED IN TO THE BEGINNING.
AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THAT IS STARTING TO LEVEL OFF TOO IN THE GREATER ECONOMY.
SO I'M EXCITED FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HOPEFULLY GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WANT IN TERMS OF THIS AMENITY.
AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WE'VE, UM, BEEN A GREAT STEWARD OF THIS TAX MONEY FOR ALL THIS YEAR, THESE YEARS.
THIS IS A GREAT DIVESTING ASSET, UM, THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I'M, I'M READY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO SEE, UM, HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I, I'D LIKE TO GET, UM, INFORMATION, SO I AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR TRAVIS, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, UH, MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A, UH, A KEY DECISION.
I CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, UH, THAT, UM, WHAT'S THE STATUS? UM, WHEN IS THIS GONNA BE BUILT? UH, HOW DO WE MOVE IT FORWARD? YES, I'M WILLING, UM, TO, UH, PAY, UH, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, OF THINGS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, WE NEED SOME INFORMATION IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT LOOK LIKE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE, UH, TO RUN A GOLF COURSE, UM, UH, COUNTRY CLUB, UM, CLUB.
AND I ASSUME IT WOULD BE SOMETHING AKIN, UH, TO THAT, UH, BUT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME, UH, SOME INFORMATION AND NOT A, AN RFP, BUT HEY, THIS IS KIND OF GENERALLY, UH, HOW THEY WORK, UM, HOW THEY'RE COMPENSATED, UM, WHAT THAT, UH, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE AND ENCOMPASSES WITH THAT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND AGAIN, I CAN SHARE SOME, BUT
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IF YOU WANNA GET A, A REPRESENTATIVE IN FROM A FIRM, WE KNOW DON, BUT I MAY NEED THAT RIGHT NOW, OR SOMETHING WRITTEN JUST KIND OF GENERALLY.AND, AND I'M NOT, UM, GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
UM, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT AREN'T HERE NOW, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE, UM, HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO MAKE THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS KNOWN ON THE MATTER.
UH, IF YOU CAN, UM, KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE POWERPOINT, UH, JUST SOME, HEY, THIS IS HOW MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WILL WORK.
AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE SIDE OF IT.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S AKIN YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME, UM, UM, REVENUE, UM, UH, PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE THAT THEY, UH, THEY TAKE AND YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S A, YEP.
BUT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE EXPENSES OR HOPEFULLY OUT OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE EVENT.
AND THEN THEY'RE PAID A MANAGEMENT FEE THAT IS EITHER A FLAT FEE OR A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE.
SO PROBABLY, UM, IT RUNS KIND OF, UH, PARALLEL MAINTENANCE ISSUES MAY BE BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON A GOLF COURSE VERSUS A YEAH, YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, A LOT OF THEM, THE COUPLE THAT I'VE TALKED, I'M SORRY, BUT AGAIN, NOT TODAY, UM, BUT PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING, UM, WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND, UH, AND DISCUSS IT.
BUT I BELIEVE THE DEMAND IS THAT HAPPY TO DO THAT BEST I CAN, AND I'LL RUN IT BY A COUPLE OF THOSE FOLKS JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSTATING ANYTHING.
BUT, UM, IF THE DECISION IS TO MOVE FORWARD, THE THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO AGREE ON, IS IT SIX COURTS OR SEVEN TENS, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH EITHER BRIAN RICHTER OR FIND WHATEVER ARCHITECT YOU WANTED TO, TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD, IF THAT'S THE WELL, OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION AS FAR AS THE COST GOES.
UM, YOU KNOW, BRIAN IS STILL COMFORTABLE WITH THE COSTS AS WE PRESENTED THEM IN JANUARY.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A AMERICAN LOOK AT IT.
THEY HAD NO FAMILIARITY WITH THE PROJECT.
THEIR NUMBER CAME IN EXCEEDINGLY HIGH, UM, OVER $20 MILLION.
BRIAN DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S THE NUMBER.
I THINK THAT'S A HIGH NUMBER TOO.
THEY WERE PROBABLY BEING CAUTIOUS, BUT AGAIN, ARE WE DOING, BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE DECISIONS.
WHAT'S THE FINAL DESIGN OF IT? ARE WE INCLUDING PARK OFFICES OR NOT? AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THAT, BUT TO FORMALLY MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP AS AN ARCHITECT AGREEMENT.
AND, BUT IF YOU WANNA LEARN ABOUT MANAGEMENT SIDE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK ONE IS DEPENDENT ON OTHER TIED, TIMED ON THE OTHER.
MM-HMM,
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU PAINT A VERY ROSY PICTURE OF INVESTING TAX DOLLARS TO MAKE A PROFIT.
UM, AND I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU, YOU PAINT AS IF A NEW CONCEPT AND NO ONE'S EVER CONSIDERED.
BUT, UM, I, I JUST HAVE TO SAY EV EVERY BUSINESS THAT HAS A BANK LOAN HAS A BUSINESS PLAN TO HAVE A RETURN ON THAT MONEY.
AND EVERY BANK HAS A FORECLOSURE DEPARTMENT AND A WORKOUT DEPARTMENT FOR THE BUSINESS PLANS THAT DON'T TURN OUT AS ROSY AS THEY HAD HOPED.
AND THAT IS THE BUSINESS RISK AND THAT IS THE, THE TALENT OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
AND THAT'S WHY THE PRIVATE SECTOR OPERATES THE WAY IT DOES.
AND THE REASON I WOULD SAY THAT YOU DON'T SEE, UM, PEOPLE INVESTING TAX DOLLARS IN THE STOCK MARKET, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE UPSIDE POTENTIAL IS BECAUSE TAKING BUSINESS RISK FOR ENTREPRENEURIAL VENTURES AS A CITY, I DON'T THINK IS GOOD GOVERNANCE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PROPER ROLE OF IT.
SO PAINTING THIS IS THE CHANCE TO, TO, WE'RE NOT SPENDING MONEY, WE'RE MAKING MONEY AND ACTING LIKE IT'S A SURE THING THAT WE'RE GONNA INVEST THIS MONEY AND HAVE THIS RETURN OVER TIME.
I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT REALLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE REALITY OF ENTREPRENEURIAL VENTURES AND HOW STUFF LIKE THAT IS LIKELY TO WORK.
UM, AND I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN AFICIONADOS OF RACKET SPORTS AND SOME THAT WENT TO VISIT A FACILITY IN INDIANA DID MAKE THE OBSERVATION, AND SEVERAL OF THEIR COURTS NOW HAVE ASTROTURF ON 'EM, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PITCH 'EM FOR INDOOR FOOTBALL BECAUSE IN THEIR PARTICULAR MARKET, THEY OVERBUILT THE, THE DOWNSIDE RISK WASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR.
THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD A GREAT PLAN.
AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FACILITIES HERE IN FRANKLIN THAT HAVE, HAVE GONE THAT WAY.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER USBA WAS A VERY, WELL, IT WAS A EXTREMELY WELL RECEIVED FACILITY FOR BASKETBALL AND, AND VOLLEYBALL AND OTHER STUFF, BUT THE, THE COST OF THE FACILITY AND THE UPKEEP AND THE MAINTENANCE AND AND WHATNOT IS WHY USBA WENT OVER TO A GAME.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE ANYMORE.
IT'S, IT'S A HODGEPODGE PHYSICAL THERAPY, BECAUSE I WENT THERE FOR QUITE
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A BIT.YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE GO COURT? OH NO, THAT'S A TA, YEAH, TOA THERE'S A HODGEPODGE OF LITTLE THING.
I STILL, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA? I'VE GOT SCOPE.
SO AGAIN, SPEAKING, I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT MRN
AND THEN AGAIN, SOME DISCUSSION.
CAN YOU ALSO CONCURRENTLY COME UP WITH, UM, THE OPTIONS FOR US TO, TO DECIDE SIX SIX COURTS, SEVEN COURTS THAT CAN WELL, AS FAR AS LIKE THE DESIGN YES.
UHHUH, THE DESIGN FINALIZATION ISSUES UNRESOLVED.
I KNOW THERE'S NOT VERY MANY LEFT.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT COULD YOU ALSO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME? SURE.
MANAGEMENT COMPANIES DON'T SHARE UPFRONT CAPITAL EXPENSE.
PURELY WE HAD, IT'S A FEE FOR SERVICE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO LIKE THE IDD OR SPORTS AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.
THIS IS SIMPLY A NO, I'M SAYING IF WE HAD A WELL FOR PRIVATE MONEY FOR CAPITAL, SOMEBODY LIKE WHAT SPENCER'S IDEAL PRIVATE MONEY THAT WANTS A RETURN ON THAT MONEY.
THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ARE SIMPLY A, A FEE BASED.
IT IS JUST, YEAH, IT'S LIKE PAYING FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES.
MUCH, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE MOWING SERVICES.
BUT YEAH, ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE, THEY'RE PROVIDING A FEE.
IT'S LIKE WE PAY FOR ROAD PAVING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND YOU PAY THEM FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO THERE'S NO MIXING OF CAPITAL, NO MIXING OF PROFITS OTHER THAN THEIR FEE MIGHT BE BASED UPON A REVENUE, BUT IT'S NOT.
I KNOW A LOT OF FRANCHISES ARE THAT WAY.
THE FEES BASED ON THE REVENUE, NOT ON THE PROFIT.
IS IT NET REVENUE OR GROSS? THEIR REVENUE'S GREAT.
IF IF GROWTH, IF IT'S A LOWER PERCENTAGE, IF IT'S NET IT'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, BUT YEAH.
BUT WE SET ALL THE RULES, WE MANAGE IT, WE, WE DICTATE HOW IT'S OPERATED, WHAT ARE THE FEES, ALL THAT STUFF.
AND YOU GOTTA SET IT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO AT LEAST MAKE MONEY.
IF THEY MAKE MONEY, THEN YOU'RE MAKING MONEY.
BUT IT'S COMPLETELY LOCAL CONTROL, NOT KIND OF HANDING OVER THE OPERATIONAL CONTROL.
ANYONE ELSE? IT'S THEIR EMPLOYEES AND NOT OUR EMPLOYEES.
THEY TAKE YOUR DIRECTION OF HOW IT'S TO BE RUN.
BUT THEY EMPLOY THE PEOPLE WE KNOW.