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[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing August 22, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the August 26th Agenda, the below items will be discussed: Review of legal options to public/private partnership for Racquet Facility Discussion of date for a special called meeting to select City Manager finalist candidates Proposed 2025 Summer Concert Series Dates Old Smyrna Road Discussion This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
OKAY.I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.
A LITTLE SAID HE MIGHT BE A FEW MINUTES LATE, BUT HE IS PLANNING TO JOIN US AND I GUESS WE DIDN'T TELL, UH, JEFF AND BETSY, BUT WE DO RECORD AND LIVESTREAM THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ANYTHING SUPER SECRET OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S REFERENCE.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD, UH, LET, UH, OUR FOLKS FROM BASS BERRY GO FIRST.
UM, AND, AND DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT CONVERSATION WILL TAKE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST USE OF TIME.
AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO THE AGENDA AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER NON AGENDA RELATED TOPICS ITEMS. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KRISTEN AND LET HER INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS.
YEAH, I'M, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO JEFF AND BETSY AND I THINK MANY OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY MET JEFF BEFORE JEFF OLDHAM.
HE DID SERVE ON THE, UM, CITY JUDGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND JEFF HAS DONE TONS OF BOND WORK FOR US OVER THE YEARS.
UM, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE BETSY NUTS AS WELL.
BETSY HAS ALSO DONE WORK FOR THE CITY THROUGH, UM, DOING SOME BOND WORK.
AND ALSO SHE, I PUT IN MY EMAIL TO YOU ALL THE OTHER DAY, BUT SHE SERVED AS THE DIRECTOR OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE AT THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE WHERE SHE WORKED CLOSELY WITH KAREN AND HER TEAM AND ALSO WITH ME IN NE ROLE.
SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO HAVE THEM AND I, I THINK THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF HELPFUL INFORMATION FOR US.
UM, I WILL TRY TO SPEAK LOUDLY.
I DON'T HAVE A SUPER LOUD VOICE, BUT I KNOW, UM, WE HAD A REQUEST FOR ME TO SPEAK LOUDLY, SO LET ME KNOW IF I START FADING.
UM, VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND HOPEFULLY YOU WERE ABLE TO REVIEW OUR MEMO.
UM, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF A CITY ENTERING INTO A JOINT ARRANGEMENT WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY TO, UH, CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A SPORTS FACILITY.
AND THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT STATUTORY AUTHORITY FOR A CITY TO DO THAT IN TENNESSEE.
HOWEVER, IF THE CITY CREATES AN ON BEHALF OF BOARD IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT.
SO, UM, YOU COULD DO AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD, IS WHAT WE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MEMO OR A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
IF YOU CREATE ONE OF THOSE BOARDS, WHICH ARE FAIRLY SIMPLE TO CREATE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS BRENTWOOD ALREADY HAS AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT'S GONE DORMANT.
SO YOU COULD REINSTATE IT IF YOU WANTED, AND THAT BOARD COULD FACILITATE THAT KIND OF JOINT, UM, ARRANGEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTING AN OPERATING SPORTS FACILITY.
UM, IN TENNESSEE, THESE ON BEHALF OF BOARDS ARE CREATED FOR VERY LIMITED PURPOSES.
SO THE LEGISLATURE SPECIFICALLY SAYS, HEY, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD, YOU CAN DO ARRANGEMENTS THAT LOOK LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN KIND OF ACT MORE LIKE A PRIVATE ENTITY, BUT ONLY YOU, NOT THE CITY AND YOU CAN'T USE TAXPAYER MONEY.
SO NO AVALOR TAXES ARE INVOLVED IN THESE TYPES OF ARRANGEMENTS.
AND SO, UM, I MEAN, I'LL JUMP AHEAD UNLESS YOU WANNA GO OVER THE LET ME OFF.
ONE THING YOU PROBABLY HEARD KRISTEN SAY THIS A HUNDRED TIMES, MUNICIPAL LAW IS DIFFERENT FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL WORLD'S DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD AND THE REST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD.
YOU BASICALLY GO, WHAT CAN I DO? I CAN DO ANYTHING UNLESS THE LAW SAYS I CAN'T.
IN THE MUNICIPAL WORLD, IT'S, IT'S INVERTED AND IT'S, I CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN SHE SAYS, AND, AND WE, WE SAY, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
IT'S BECAUSE THE STATUTES, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S PROHIBITED.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT EMPOWERED.
WE CAN'T FIND IN THE STATUTES EXPRESS OR IMPLIED AUTHORITY TO DO IT.
AND SO WHEN WE THEN SAY, BUT YOU CAN DO IT REGARDING INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OR ANOTHER WAY, IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE STATUTES THAT DO THAT, THAT'S AWFUL.
AND I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, BUT, BUT IT, BUT THAT IS, I AM TOO
THAT IS, THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER OF THAT.
YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT, BUT THE IDB CANNOT USE CITY FUNDS TO BUILD A ALARM TAXES.
SO THEY, LIKE THE IDS DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO LEVY A PROPERTY TAX.
WHEREAS THE CITY OBVIOUSLY DOES.
SO THAT'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHY I THINK I, WE CAN SAY FOR POLICY REASONS, THE LEGISLATURE SAID, OKAY, ID B'S YOU CAN HANDLE THIS TYPE OF PROJECT THAT'S MORE LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE CITY CAN STILL TAKE THEIR TAX ACQUISITION, THE TAX MONEY THEY'VE ACQUIRED AND FUND THAT IDPS.
SO, BUT THE IDB CANNOT LEVY TAX ON CORRECT.
AND, AND I AND IDB REALLY, AND ANY INSTRUMENTALITY CAN REALLY ONLY DO WHAT THE, THE HOST CITY EMPOWERS IT TO DO.
IT HAS NO, IT HAS NO POWER TO GO ROGUE TAXES INDEPENDENTLY, DO PROJECTS INDEPENDENTLY PROVIDE
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TAX ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.IT ALL HAS TO BE APPROVED BUCKS.
WHAT I BE SOMETIMES DO IS, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE RELOCATION, OH, WE MOVE OUR HEADQUARTERS HERE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET TAX UNDER TENNESSEE LAW? AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T DO DIRECTLY, BUT YOU COULD DO THROUGH AN IDB, BUT THE IDB CAN'T JUST DO IT ON ITS OWN.
THEY CAN DO IT WITH THE
CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS ONE STEP AT A TIME? SURE.
FROM THE CREATION OUT FROM YOUR MEMO, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE SPORTS AUTHORITY, IT SAYS ANY THREE INDIVIDUALS CAN APPLY TO BE INCORPORATED AS A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
ARE THEY HANDPICKED BY THE CITY? CAN YOU START THERE AND GO THROUGH IT AND TELL US WHAT KIND OF AUTHORITY THEY HAVE AFTER THEY GET THIS GET INCORPORATED? AND WHEN, WHERE DOES THE CITY GET INVOLVED AND HOW MUCH CONTROL THE CITY HAS OVER A GROUP LIKE THAT? AND WHO DOES THE NEGOTIATING THE CITY OR THE SPORTS AUTHORITY? AND ARE WE ALLOWED TO BE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT DISCUSSION? OR ARE WE HANDS OFF? THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
SO I'LL, I'LL START AT THE BEGINNING AND YOU CORRECT ME WHEN I, OKAY.
WHEN I INEVITABLY GO ASTRAY,
THREE PEOPLE, THREE CITIZEN, THREE CITIZENS HAVE TO PETITION THE GOVERNING BODY FOR THE CREATION OF THE ENTITY.
YOU COULD PICK THOSE THREE PEOPLE.
AND OFTENTIMES WHEN, WHEN, UM, IT'S THE GOVERNING BODY THAT DECIDES, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE DO WANT THIS ENTITY, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU GO FIND THREE PEOPLE TO DO IT, BUT IT CAN BE ANY THREE PEOPLE AND THEY CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
SO ANY THREE PEOPLE, ANY GIVEN RANDOM TUESDAY COULD COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE PETITIONED TO FORM AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
AND THEN YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHETHER TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND THEN IF, IF YOU SAY YES, THEN YOU POPULATE NO, THEY PETITIONED THE CITY, THE CITY, THE CITY.
AND SO YOU, YOU GET TO SAY YES OR NO, WHETHER THERE'S AN ENTITY OR NOT.
IF YOU SAY YES, THE NEXT STEP IS, IS THAT YOU WOULD APPOINT THEIR BOARD MEMBERS AND THIS, THIS IS DOWN AND THIS IS TRULY AWFUL STUFF.
YOU KNOW? SO THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND THIS NEW BOARD WOULD MEET, UM, THEY PROBABLY NEED A LAWYER.
YOU KNOW, YOU SORT OF, YOU HAVE THIS REALLY BORING, AWFUL, YOU KNOW, FIRST MEETING TO GET STARTED AND THERE THEY'D BE AND THEY'D SIT UNTIL THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE DONE.
AND THEY COULD GO AROUND AND STIR AROUND AND, AND DREAM OF IDEAS.
BUT THEY HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT WORK CONSENT.
AND SO THE WAY THESE THINGS, THESE THINGS WORK TOP DOWN.
UM, SO ONCE IT'S FORMED, TO THE EXTENT THE CITY HAS AN INITIATIVE THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, AVAIL THEMSELVES AT THE IDB OR THE SPORTS AUTHORITY AT THE CITY DIRECTIVE, THAT ENTITY, YOU KNOW, PLAYS ITS PART AND, AND GETS IT DONE, IS, IS THERE AT SOME POINT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO A LITTLE.
'CAUSE IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT WELL, COULD YOU GO INTO DETAIL? I MEAN, IF, IF THEY NEGOTIATE A PROGRAM, SAY IT'S GONNA COST $14 MILLION, UH, HOW MUCH NEGOTIATING DOES THE CITY GET TO DO WITH THIS BOARD ON, ON THE DETAILS OF THAT ARRANGEMENT? THAT'S THE KEY TO ME.
AND, AND LET ME, LEMME SAY I DON'T, THERE ARE, UM, MAYBE NOT A THOUSAND WAYS.
THERE ARE 50 DIFFERENT WAYS TO PULL THESE TO, TO DO THESE DEALS.
I'M NOT AWARE OF A ONE OF ONE THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AT LEAST AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THIS ENTITY AND EITHER AND THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
WELL, IF YOU'RE PART OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, YOU COULD SAY YES OR NO AND, AND NEGOTIATE, NEGOTIATE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS THAT ON COMMISSION LEVEL OR STAFF LEVEL? WELL, ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY THE GOVERNING BODY HAS TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT.
BUT THEN ONCE THE AGREEMENT'S INTACT THAT IF THERE'S ANY DECISION MAKING THAT NEEDS TO GO ON BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE IDB, IS THAT DONE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL FOR WITH A VOTE AND A RESOLUTION? OR IS THAT DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH CONVERSATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? SO DEALS I'VE, DEALS I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A FACILITY IN THIS, IN THIS CASE THAT'S OPERATING.
AND, AND YOU COULD DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT IN MOST PLACES YOU WOULD SAY TO THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE APPROVED THE DEAL AND THE STRUCTURE AS A WHOLE.
SO NO, YOU GO, YOU GO BE THE LANDLORD.
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE CALLS THAT THE BATHROOMS ARE LEAKY, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT YOUR LEVEL ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
NOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING MAJOR, YOU
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WANNA SELL THE PROPERTY.WELL YOU, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LINE OF SORT OF MATERIALITY OF, OKAY, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IN CONTROL OF.
YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF, PLEASE DON'T COME BACK TO US.
BUT WE WOULD SET THAT IN OUR INTER AGREEMENT.
WE WOULD SET THOSE PROGRAM, YES.
I MEAN, MOST CITIES CREATE THESE BOARDS AS A BUFFER BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE LANDMARK AND THEY DON'T WANNA BE IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING A TENNIS FACILITY.
AND SO THEY CREATE A BOARD THAT HAS PEOPLE ON IT THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THAT AND THAT TAKE CHARGE.
SO JEFFY, I REALLY APPRECIATE DOING THE Q AND A, I GUESS UPFRONT, SOMEWHAT.
DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION YOU WANTED TO DO TO KIND OF COVER THE, THE BIG PARTS BEFORE THE Q AND A? OR IS Q AND A THE WAY YOU WANNA GO ABOUT DOING ALL THIS? WE WERE JUST GONNA GO OVER THE MEMO AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I DIDN'T REALLY GET TO THE PART WHERE WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF TRANSITIONED TO NATURALLY, BUT SLIDES.
SO WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, IF RATHER DO A TOP OF ONE.
OH, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY, THE SLIDESHOW, WE'D BE NO STATUTORY AUTHORITY ON YOUR OWN.
SLIDE TWO WOULD BE, BUT THERE IS STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO DO THESE DEALS AND THAT STATUTORY AUTHORITY IS THROUGH AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD OR A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
AND THEN SLIDE THREE WOULD BE HOW DID, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FORM ONE OF THOSE THINGS? RIGHT.
AND THEN THE LAST PART IS THE REALLY THE SPECULATIVE STUFF, BECAUSE WE'VE NOT, WE'VE NOT BEEN ASKED.
AND, AND IS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL WHAT DOES A DEAL LIKE THIS LOOK LIKE? WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME BROAD, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS OF HOW YOU MIGHT DO IT.
HERE ARE SOME COMMON TRUTHS THAT NOBODY, NOBODY'S ASKED US TO, TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC DEALS.
SO RIGHT NOW, SO FAR YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW THIS BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD INTERACT WITH AN INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD OR A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
AND TO ME, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IN TERMS OF IF IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD VERSUS A SPORTS AUTHORITY, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS YOU THINK WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS A BOND BOARD IN TERMS OF, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED MOST ABOUT THEN.
BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED AT ALL ABOUT THE PRIVATE ENERGY.
'CAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND HOW, HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT INTERACTION IS LIKE.
YOU MENTIONED A SECOND AGO IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD THAT RUNS A FACILITY, BUT THEN IF WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT ALSO HAS SKIN IN THE GAME YEAH.
HOW DO YOU, WHAT'S THAT INTERACTION AND, AND IS THERE, LIKE, IS THERE LIKE A SET BRIGHT LINE OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S NEGOTIATED AS PART OF ALL THAT? OR, OR COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? IT'S REALLY A THREE WAY RELATIONSHIP.
HOW YOU VERSUS, SO UM, IN THE MEMO I INCLUDED, THERE'S ABOUT 200 ID BS ACTIVE IN THE STATE AND A HUNDRED THAT ARE INACTIVE.
SO THESE HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
UM, MOST COUNTIES HAVE AN IDB, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ONE COUNTY THAT DOESN'T.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE JOINT CITY, COUNTY ID BS AND THEN SOME JUST CITY IDPS.
UM, AND SO IDPS HAVE PRETTY BROAD PURPOSES.
LIKE WE WERE SAYING, THEY CAN DO PILOTS, SO THEY CAN DO
UM, THEY CAN OFFER ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT ABILITIES TO CITIES.
UM, AND SO I WOULD SAY, AND THE PROJECTS THAT THEY CAN DO RANGE FROM PUBLIC BUILDINGS TO COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE'VE DONE 'EM WITH MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY TENNIS FACILITY WOULD FIT, FIT THE BILL, HEADQUARTERS OFFICE, CORPORATE OFFICES, HOTELS.
IT'S A HUGE LIST OF THINGS THAT IDB PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ENTAIL.
WHEREAS SPORTS AUTHORITY, THERE'S 10 OF 'EM, AND JEFF AND I WERE TALKING BEFORE WE CAME, UM, AND THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN THEIR FOCUSED AND THEY'RE DOING REALLY BIG KIND OF SPORTS FACILITY PROJECTS AROUND THE STATE.
OR CHATTANOOGA HAS, CHATTANOOGA, HAMILTON COUNTY, THEY HAVE A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
THEY'RE DOING A BASEBALL STADIUM.
KNOXVILLE, KNOX COUNTY, THEY HAVE A SPORTS AUTHORITY.
SO THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN FOCUS.
UM, AND, UM, DOING LARGE PROJECTS.
I THINK CLARKSVILLE IS MAYBE THE SMALLEST ONE.
CLARKVILLE GOT A FACILITY THAT IS, UM, AUSTIN P BASKETBALL COURT, TWO ICE RINKS ALL MANAGED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MONTHLY MEETING LANDLORD DID BY THE, THE CLARKSVILLE.
AND I THINK WE MENTIONED IN THE MEMO THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY DOES HAVE A SPORTS AUTHORITY, BUT THEY'VE NEVER DONE A PROJECT AS FAR AS WE KNOW.
AND FROM AN IDB STANDPOINT, JUST FROM, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY FACILITY HERE WAS DONE THROUGH THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, IDB AND THE TAX ABATEMENT AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I KNOW IN, IN BRENTWOOD THAT WAS DONE THROUGH AN IDB.
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BEEN OTHERS IN THE PAST, BUT THAT RECENTNO, THAT MY DAD AND SOME OTHER FOLKS WERE ON THAT ONE BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
CAN YOU TALK TO IT, IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THE SIMPLER, UM, AVENUE IF WE WERE TO PURSUE ONE OF THESE WOULD BE THE IDB AS OPPOSED TO SPORTS AUTHORITY.
AND IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM, WITH THE IDB.
CAN YOU TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF, BECAUSE I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRULY A FINANCIAL COMBINATION OF FUNDS, HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
AND SO LET'S PUT THE, LET'S PUT THE BOW ON THIS DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK WE THINK FUNCTIONALLY, LIKE, LIKE DO THEY, DO THEY PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE POWERS, SIX AND ONE HALF DOZEN OTHER IDB SPORTS AUTHORITY? I THINK, AND YOU, I THINK YOU PUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS WE'RE GONNA FORM THE ONE THAT WE THINK WE HAVE THE MO THAT WE MIGHT BE MOST LIKELY TO USE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU THOUGHT, AND AGAIN, I'M IN YOUR SHOES, BUT IF YOU THOUGHT WE WILL NEVER AGAIN IN A MILLION YEARS DO A SPORTS FACILITY, MAYBE DON'T DO THE SPORTS DEGREE.
IF YOU THOUGHT, WE WILL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DO ANYTHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ID P DO, YOU DON'T DO AN IDP SO THAT, SO WE THINK IT'S PRETTY EQUIVALENT.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CHOOSE FOR FUTURE FOLKS.
SO, SO THEN YOUR QUESTION, AND I THINK THIS IS THE NEXT QUESTION YOU NEED TO ANSWER, AND AGAIN, NOBODY'S, WE'VE NOT BEEN ASKED TO SORT OF OPINE ALL THE STRUCTURE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, LET ME USE AN IDB TO KEEP IT SIMPLE FORM AN ID.
THE IDB WOULD SORT OF DO TWO THINGS.
IT WOULD ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO GET IT, TO GET THE THING BUILT.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD CONTEMPLATE MONEY COMING IN.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'D BE SOME PUBLIC MONEY, SOME PRIVATE MONEY.
IT WOULD DESCRIBE HOW THAT MONEY'S GONNA BE SPENT.
WHO'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF DESIGN, WHO'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF CONSTRUCTION.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE LAID OUT INTO THE GOLF AGREEMENT.
AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE THING BUILT, THEN IT'S BUILT.
AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND AGREEMENT, WHICH IS SOME SORT OF OPERATING MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT LEASE.
IT COULD BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT IT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE IDB AND MAYBE MAYBE THE PRIVATE ENTITY FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY AND WHO DOES WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING OPERATIONS.
SO IT'S THOSE, IT'S THOSE TWO KEY AGREEMENTS TO GET IT BUILT.
AND THEN BACK TO THIS BODY'S ROLE, TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE A, TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN IT, THERE'S AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU AND THE IDB WHERE YOU, YOU AGREE TO PLAY YOUR PART.
YOU WANT THAT PART TO BE AND A GROUND LEASE AND GOOD POINT.
AND GROUND AS AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S SEPARATE OR PART OF THE INTERIM GOVERNMENT SEPARATE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRAL WOULD SORT OF BE LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S EVERYTHING WE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE AND UMBRELLA AND ITEM ONE WOULD BE, WE'RE GONNA GROUND LEASE.
WE'RE GONNA GROUND LEASE THE, THE LAND TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN GO DO THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE GONNA ENTER INTO DO THE IDB YOU, THE IDB ARE GONNA ENTER INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S GONNA WORK LIKE THIS AND YOU'RE THE IDB, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ENTER INTO THE OPERATING LEASE AND YOU'RE, HERE ARE THE ROLES WE PLAY.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S ALL OVER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT, LOT PEOPLE WILL BACK TO US.
SO WITH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE KIND OF HAVE THREE OPTIONS JUST IN GENERAL.
WE COULD BUILD IT, MANAGE IT OURSELVES, JUST THROUGH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, MOVE ON.
WE COULD BUILD IT, HIRE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO, TO MANAGE IT.
WE COULD PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY.
IS THE ONLY WAY YOU DON'T NEED AN IDB IS IF YOU BUILD IT AND MANAGE IT YOURSELF, OR CAN WE BUILD IT AND STILL HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY WITHOUT AN IDB? RIGHT.
AND, AND I'LL ANSWER THIS 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE OF A CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION.
WE CAN, UM, BUILD IT OURSELVES AND THEN HIRE SOMEONE TO MANAGE IT.
NOW WITH THAT SAID, THAT CONTRACT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE OVER $25,000, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER OUR, OUR PURCHASING POLICY.
UM, SO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WOULD NEED TO OCCUR WITH THAT.
A COMPETITIVE SELECTION MANAGEMENT WOULDN'T BE, I MEAN, MANAGEMENT WOULD BE BASED UPON A, AN AGREEMENT AND A FIXED MONTHLY.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T NEED AN IDB FOR THAT.
SO REALLY JUST THE IDB IS IF WE'RE PARTNERING YES.
AND THAT IT IS TO, AND, AND THIS IS WHERE JEFF AND BETSY CAN KICK BACK IN, BUT, UM, THAT IS REALLY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PRIVATE, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, ALSO KNOWN AS A P THREE AND THE LAW, WHICH, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU HEAR OTHER ENTITIES SAY THAT THEY HAVE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
WE'VE EVEN SAID THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB FOR THE TURF FIELDS.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE'VE NEVER BROKEN THE LAW
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, SO, SO YOU'VE GOT KIND OF LIKE A, A LITTLE P PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE YOU'RE JUST WORKING WITH SOMEBODY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT LIKE AN ACTUAL LEGAL ENTITY.
BUT YES, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AS YOU WALK THROUGH HOW WE WOULD DO IT, SHOULD WE DO LIKE THE IDB AND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT? THERE'S A LOT OF, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT STAFF HAS PUT IN TOWARDS INITIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE WORK THAT COULD BE APPLIED HERE.
WE JUST WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THE IDB IN ORDER TO KIND OF FUNNEL SOME OF THE, UM, PROCESSES THROUGH THAT.
IS IT EASIER TO JUST BRING THE IDB OUT OF MOTH BOSS? MM-HMM.
YOU JUST PAY A REASONABLE FEE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD REAPPOINT THE BOARD.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO REVISIT THE CHART.
I ASSUME YOU HAVE A CHARTER BYLAWS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
YEAH, NO, Y SPEARS ASKED FOR A COPY OF THOSE YESTERDAY AND UNFORTUNATELY, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE REFERENCED AND THE RESOLUTION THEM, THEY WERE NOT ATTACHED AND WE LOOKED EVERYWHERE.
UM, SO I DID REACH OUT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IN THE EVENT, SOME SMALL CHANCE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE 'EM, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEY WERE, IT, THE IDB WAS CREATED IN 1980, SO NONE OF US WERE HERE BACK THEN.
SO WE UNFORTUNATELY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAVE MY, MY SPECULATION IS THAT THEY WERE HOUSED IN OUR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OF COURSE HE WAS OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND HAS SINCE PASSED AWAY.
SO WE HAVE NO WAY TO ACCESS HIS FILES TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THIS, BUT HE WOULD'VE HAD TO LIKE FILE IT WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE.
SO YOU THINK THAT THEY'LL HAVE I THINK THE CHARTER ANY THEIR RECORDS? YES.
THEY VERY WELL MIGHT, SO IT DID SUBMIT A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND WE'LL, AND, AND I'LL SHARE THOSE WITH YOU ALL AS SOON AS HOPEFULLY THAT WE TELL US IF, GET THEM UNEARTH IT AGAIN OR IF WE HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH.
WELL, I THINK EVEN IF YOU UNEARTH IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE, YOU CAN JUST AGREE DRAFT SOME NEW ONES.
UM, IS THERE ANY PROHIBITION, AND I ALMOST KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT ANYWAY.
LIKE WITH OUR ECD, WE APPOINTED OURSELVES AS THE ECD.
IS THERE ANY PROHIBITION TO THE SPORTS AUTHORITY OR THE IDB BEING COMPRISED OF CITY COMMISSIONERS? THE ECD IS EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.
WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK IN THE STATUTE FEEL LIKE, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
YOU CAN TELL I'M WINGING IT HERE.
TAKE EVERYTHING I'M GETTING READY TO SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE WE NEED TO RESEARCH IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, SO, IT'S NOT SUCH A GIVEN AS I THOUGHT IT MIGHT.
NO, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I, I THINK, I THINK YOU DO SEE REPRESENTATIVES ONE OR TWO.
SO I WORKED WITH A TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND UM, THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID WE DON'T WANT ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE BOARD.
AND SO WE PUT THAT IN THE, IN THE CHARTER AND BYLAWS.
UM, SO I'M NOT STATE LAW MAY BE SILENT ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARDS, WHETHER YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S CAN BE DONE OR NOT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S THE SAME BODY ON BOTH SIDES, THAT'S KIND OF YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK GREAT.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE A FEW THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE OKAY, BUT WE'LL RESEARCH IT.
OR YOU, WE RUN STAFF MEMBER ON IT.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE SIZE SET BY LAW? THE SIZE OF THE BOARD OR HOW, HOW HAS THE NUMBER OF BOARD NUMBERS TO BE? AT LEAST SEVEN.
AND ON THE, ON THE BOARD COMPOSITION, I THINK THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, CAN YOU LEGALLY DO IT? AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THE OTHER IS, IS DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA DO IT? AND I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR YOU, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT DECIDE, OH YEAH, WELL WE WANNA BE IN CONTROL, SO WE WANT, YOU MIGHT GO BACK TO THE SORT OF LANDLORD COMPONENT.
THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS JUST TO TAKE THE LEAKY FAUCET QUESTIONS.
AND SO WE, WE WANT SOME FOR SOLD TO HAVE TO BE ON THAT BOARD.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'LL BE, EVEN IF YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD DO IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO.
AND MOST INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARDS THAT I WORK WITH, WITH, THEY MAY HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER DECISIONS LIKE THAT, SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY.
I THINK CITY COMMISSIONERS OUGHT TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE SAYING THE BUCK STOPS HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU APPOINT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A RAH RAH CAMPAIGN TO SPEND MONEY, AND THEN WE HAVE, WE ARE HAVING TO DO IT, BUT, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T SPEND YOUR MONEY.
I SAID A RAH RAH CAMPAIGN, WE SAW ONE GROUP ALREADY GO BEYOND WHAT THEY WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO.
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SO YOUR POINT, YOUR POINT'S, RIGHT? YOU, YOU, AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT, UM, WE GET PAID NOT TO DO POLICYBUT, UM, YOU, YOU CAN, THROUGH THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, YOU CAN SET THE GROUND RULES OF DO WE GET A SAY OVER AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH? AND YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN SET THAT HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANT.
SO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL WAY, AN IMPORTANT ADDITIONAL WAY TO, TO MAINTAIN CONTROL WITHOUT HAVING TO BE ON THE BOARD.
IF YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU'RE DOING THAT.
IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE LIKE THE, OUR FRIENDS OF THE BRENTWOOD, I MEAN OUR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE HULK FUNDS, THEY CAN'T, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY BOARD CAN'T SPEND IT WITHOUT THE COMMISSION APPROVING ANY MONEY OUT OF THE HULK FUNDS TO GO, WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, SO THAT'S A CITY ENTITY'S A SEPARATE RIGHT.
BUT JUST THAT IT'S STILL THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL TO MAKE SURE THINGS AREN'T, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME RESIDENTS AREN'T SPENDING MONEY.
SO, SO JUST MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING.
SO FAR THE LIBRARY REPORT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN ATTORNEY AS I SUGGESTED THAT THIS AUTHORITY SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN AN ATTORNEY.
THE LIBRARY BOARD IS NOT GOING TO BE PITTING WILLS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND, AND THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LIBRARY BOARD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I DON'T WANNA SIMPLIFY IT TO THAT LEVEL.
ONLY USING THAT EXAMPLE AS A WAY FOR US TO STOP SPENDING THE FEE, THE FUNDS, JUST SO THAT IT DIDN'T GO OUT, WENT ON THERE WAS AN IDV AND Y'ALL DISSOLVED IT.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE TO KEEP AN UP ON THOSE, YOU MENTIONED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT TO THE GROUND LEASE.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I GUESS IS BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD AND THE, THE PRIVATE PARTNER.
AND THAT DEFINES WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AS THE FACILITY IS BILL, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT, WHO PAYS FOR WHAT, WHAT DECISIONS SOMEONE'S MAKING.
SAY IF THERE'S SPECIFIC, LIKE YOU, YOU MENTIONED BATHROOM SEVERAL TIMES.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING SORTING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONFIGURATION OR THE SETUP OR WHATEVER.
SO, SO IN THE DESIGN AND THE SPENDING, THAT'S, THAT WOULD ALL BE PRE-NEGOTIATED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THEN WE'VE GOT AN OPERATING AGREEMENT BETWEEN, I GUESS THE INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD AND THE, THE PRIVATE PARTNER THAT DEFINES IS FOR ONGOING OPERATIONS.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT, WHO HAS WHAT AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW THOSE THINGS WORK.
YOU KNOW, SO WHO HAS WHAT CONTROL OVER WHAT, UM, WHICH COULD BE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT.
I'M GUESSING IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF REVENUE SHARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE SORT OF THINGS WOULD BE DEFINED IN THE OPERATING AGREEMENT.
UH, THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT DEFINES THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SAY THIS BOARD AND THE INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARD.
SO, SO THAT'S GOING THROUGH AND THAT'S FIGURING OUT WHO'S THAT AUTHORITY FOR WHAT YOU MENTIONED IT STATUTORILY, WE AS, AS THE CITY COMMISSION, HAVE TAXING AUTHORITY.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD VERSUS THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
SO IN YOUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL, YOU FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF ONE GROUP HAS THE, THE TAXING AUTHORITY, THE OTHER ONE HAS THE CHECKBOOK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REPLENISHED BY THE TAXING AUTHORITY.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT ABOUT THE SIZE AND THEN THE GROUND LEASE I GUESS IS, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU WOULD BE HAVING GROUND THAT SOMEHOW PLATTED AND TITLED SEPARATELY, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS IS THEN LEASED TO THE INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARDER.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHERE ARE THE PARTIES GROUND MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO, SO WHAT ROLE? THE GROUND LEASE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SELL IT.
WELL, NO, NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE I, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT LEASING THE THING BEFORE.
SO, AND, AND GROUND LEASE USUALLY REFERS TO THE LAND AS OPPOSED TO LIKE, UH, A TRIPLE NET LEASE ON THE FACILITY, WHICH MIGHT BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY A GROUND LEASE JUST TO FIND THAT THE CITY CONTINUES SELLING THE LAND.
SO, SO WHAT IS THE MECHANISM FOR CHANGING THESE THINGS AFTER THEY START? DO THEY TEND TO HAVE LIKE EXPIRATION DATES OR DO THEY TEND TO HAVE TERMS, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT ONCE IT GETS STARTED, SAY IF, IF WE HAVE AN UNANTICIPATED ISSUE COME UP THAT WASN'T COVERED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, IS THERE A MECHANISM WHERE IT CAN BE CHANGED OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT TO GIVE THE PARTIES COMFORT AS THEY ENTER INTO IT? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT MEANS IT CAN'T BE CHANGED SO THAT SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO? OR WHAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SORRY ABOUT THE TWO PARTS.
I WAS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FIRST.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL EXPIRE WHEN THE, WHEN THE FACILITIES CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY.
SO IT'S, IT'S SHORT, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
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AND YEAH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, IT'S, UH, YOU HAVE TO BE, ANYTIME YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT PEOPLE PUTTING IN MONEY AND, UH, WE EXPECT TO SPEND THIS, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE COST OVERRUNS? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE? WHAT HAPPENS IF THEIR COST SAVINGS OR BENEFITS FROM THOSE? WHAT HAPPENS IF, UH, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAKING DESIGN DECISIONS? UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE PARTY WANTS IT REQUESTS A CHANGE? YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND SO YOU, YOU WOULD NEED TO LAY, YOU WOULD NEED TO LAY ALL THAT OUT.AND THAT'S, THAT HAS TO BE SORT OF A THOUGHTFUL AGREEMENT.
OPERATING LEASE IS, IS GONNA BE LONGER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE WANT TO GO.
MOST ARRANGEMENTS LIKE THIS, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE 20 PLUS, 20 PLUS YEARS.
AND SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT TO UM, HOPEFULLY PROVIDE ENOUGH SPECIFICITY.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE FOOD THEY'RE DOING AND HOW IT WORKS WITH SOME AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE EDGES TO EVOLVE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT HAS TO BE, THAT HAS TO BE THOUGHTFULLY, THAT HAS TO BE THOUGHTFULLY DONE.
UM, AND, AND IT'S A AND IT'S A REAL LIVE FUNCTIONING LEASE AGREEMENT.
YOU'D WANNA KNOW WHAT'S THERE.
SO, SO THE OPERATING AGREEMENT, SO THAT'S ALSO KIND OF LIKE A LEASE AGREEMENT WHERE ONCE YOU ONCE THINK IS DRY, IT'S GOING AND YOU DO NOT GET TO REVISIT IT.
THERE'S USUALLY A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO AMEND.
AND YOU CAN DETERMINE WHO MAKES SO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES AND SOME SORT SO YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING INTO IT THAT ALLOWS YOU YEAH, AMEND.
BUT, BUT, AND I'M, AND, AND YOU KNOW THIS AND I'M STATING THE OBVIOUS.
I MEAN, YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT FOR DURATION OF 12 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE WORDS ON THE PAGE FOR, FOR 12 YEARS.
UM, WHATEVER THEY'RE, WE'VE REALLY DONE, WE REALLY WERE DOING THIS BEFORE THAT WHAT THE NEWNESS TO THIS ACTUALLY IS THE IDB OR THE SPORTS AUTHORITY.
AND DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANNA LINE THAT UP AS YOU OWN IT MANAGEMENT OR PARTNER AND, AND, AND YOU SORT OF ASKED THE SAME THING.
MAYBE THAT'S SORT OF LOSS ON US.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE HERE.
I I'M GATHERING THE, THE STRUCTURE'S NOT DIFFERENT.
WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT TO CHECK THE STATUTORY BOX, THERE'S A NEW ENTITY IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA TO PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO, WELL SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS IN BRENTWOOD WHO'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BOARD ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
SO IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR I GUESS NOW ALMOST TWO YEARS TALKING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY, OR AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF TALKING ABOUT IT PUBLICLY, THAT SOME OF THESE IDEAS HAVE BEEN LIFTED AND TALKED ABOUT AND RESEARCH BEEN DONE.
AND STAFF HAS HAD SOME GREAT INSIGHT ON THOSE THINGS.
SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT IT'S, UM, ALL GELLING, COMING TOGETHER WITH THE STRUCTURE AND A DIRECTION.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PROFITS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE PROFITS COME IN AND LET'S PRETEND IT'S 50 50 SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES, THE CITY AND A PRIVATE PARTNER, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TAXES TAKEN OUT OF THAT, BUT WOULD THAT PRIVATE PARTNER THEN HAVE TO PAY A TAX ON THE, THE PROFIT THAT THEY RECEIVED OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT? YOU MEAN INCOME TAX? I, I DON'T KNOW ANY TYPE OF TAX, I GUESS, I MEAN NOT INCOME TAX IN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY TYPE OF TAX THAT WOULD BE REALIZED ON THAT PRIVATE SECTION OF THE, THAT MONEY YOU GONE WAY PAST MY, YEAH, I'M A VERY, BUT I THINK, I THINK BETSY'S RIGHT? I, I I THINK IT'S AN INCOME TAX QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT'S NOT A SALES TAX QUESTION.
AND IT'S NOT A PROPERTY TAX QUESTION.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S PURELY A FEDERAL, FEDERAL INCOME TAX.
AND IF I HAD TO GUESS, I'D SAY DEFAULT, MY DEFAULT ANSWER WOULD BE REALIZE A PROFIT, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEWHERE YOU'RE PAYING SOMEONE.
BUT THE CITY, THE PROFIT SHARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO NO PAY TAX.
I THINK IT, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID VERY EARLY THAT, AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'RE HERE, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR WHAT THE LAW SAYS WE CAN DO.
I I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CAN'T DO, BUT IT SAYS WHAT YOU CAN DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT JEWEL.
SO BUILDING ON, ON AND COMMISSIONER SPEAR'S QUESTION, SO I, I KNOW THERE'S NOT LIKE ANY ONE PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, BUT Y'ALL HAVE INDICATED THAT YOU'VE SEEN INDUSTRIAL BOND BOARDS DO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BIG P ONES.
SO WHEN SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, THE OTHER ENTITY, IS THAT TYPICALLY LIKE, UH, OR IS THERE ANY PATTERN OF, IS IT A PRIVATE ENTITY OR SHOULD SAY A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL OR AN LLC OR AN S CORP?
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'CAUSE I IMAGINE THAT THAT THAT HAS DIFFERENT, THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH WHO YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH AND ALSO THE, PROBABLY THE TAXABLE STATUS, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL AREN'T TAX ATTORNEYS, Y'ALL ARE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGSBUT, BUT, BUT FROM YOUR VANTAGE POINT, HAVE YOU NOTICED, IS THERE A, A TYPICAL WAY THAT IT'S DONE, ARE THEY TYPICALLY BETWEEN AN IDB AND AN SAY AN SCORP OR, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S TYPICAL WAY.
I MEAN, I JUST, LIKE, IF I THINK ABOUT THE WORDS I'VE SEEN ON THE PAGE, I SEE THE MORE LLCS YEAH.
THAN I SEE CORPORATIONS, BUT I DON'T, I THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOME ADVANTAGE IN CORPORATE FORMATION PROTECTION LAW.
WHICH SHOULD MAKE ME THINK ALSO IT'D HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE TAXABLE THING BECAUSE I MEAN, NO ONE, NO ONE GETS BOUGHT WITHOUT PAYING A CORPORATE TAX OR OTHER STUFF.
SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY
'CAUSE ONCE THEY REALIZE SOME CASH FLOW, THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
SO I'D PROBABLY RUN THROUGH THAT MECHANISM IF I WAS GONNA GUESS.
GIVEN WHAT I THINK YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF IF WE WERE TO GO THE ROUTE IDB OR SPORTS AUTHORITY, WHAT WOULD BE A BETTER AVENUE FOR US OF THOSE TWO? AND YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE NEVER GONNA DO SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE? WELL, NEVER IS A REALLY STRONG WORD.
I MEAN, ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
SO, BUT GIVEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE SHORT TERM, UM, AND ANY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE LONG TERM, IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION YOU WOULD BE PREPARED? I-D-B-I-D-B.
I JUST THINK YOU'RE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO USE IT IN THE FUTURE.
I ACTUALLY THINK THERE ARE, THE MAJORITY OF SPORTS AUTHORITY PROJECTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE SPORTS AUTHORITY PROJECTS ARE PROBABLY ALSO ELIGIBLE UNDER THE IDE STATUTE.
AND I JUST THINK YOU, YOU, YOU WILL HAVE GIVEN YOURSELF A TOOL IN A TOOLBOX.
YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO USE IT AGAIN IF YOU DON'T WANT.
IT'LL BE A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT IS, UH, MORE LIKE A SWISS ARMY KNIFE THAN, UH, THAN THE SPORTS AUTHORITY, WHICH IS JUST A, YEAH.
SO I WASN'T GONNA SAY SWITCH ON CAMERA.
I GUESS WE, WE KNOW WHERE YOUR HEAD IS.
SO, SO ALONG THOSE LINES, THE IDB IN THE STRUCTURE, AND I KNOW WE SAID WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN THE, I GUESS THE CHARTER AND BYLAWS OR SOME OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE ONES FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY AND LIKE WHEN DORMANT, SO APPARENTLY PEOPLE CAN COME OFF IT.
UM, IS IT TYPICALLY RUN LIKE SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR OTHER CITY ENTITIES WHERE THERE'S SOME SORT OF APPOINTMENT PROCESS? TERM PROCESS YES.
ROTATION OR SOME SORT OF THING? YES.
SO, SO IT'LL BE FAMILIAR TO US YES.
IN TERMS OF PEOPLE GET OUT AND GET OFF IT.
IT'S POINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION HERE, AND YOU HAVE STAGGERED TERMS IN THE BEGINNING AND UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHARTER AND BYLAWS WHERE YOU, YOU LAY OUT EXACTLY WHAT GOVERNS 'EM.
THEY'LL HAVE TO APPROVE THE BYLAWS OBVIOUSLY, BUT YEAH, IT'S THE SAME.
I I WILL SAY IN FRANKLIN, THEIR HEALTH ED BOARD ALSO SERVES AS IDB.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY'VE REP, IT'S THE SAME SEVEN PEOPLE ON BOTH BOARDS.
SO IN SOME WAYS THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
SO WITH THE SEVEN PLUS PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ON THIS, WE AS A COMMISSION COULD APPOINT YES.
BUT WE COULD APPOINT A STAFF REPRESENTATIVE, WE COULD APPOINT RESIDENTS, VOLUNTEER RESIDENTS.
WE COULD APPOINT, WE NEED TO APPOINT AN ATTORNEY WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN, BY THE WAY ON THAT, I'M SORRY.
ON THAT POINT AND, AND I, I, I SAID GOTTA HIRE A LAWYER.
UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, I THINK MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ALSO THE ATTORNEY FOR THE IDB.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.
UM, AND I CAN GIVE YOU, I CAN GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU EXAMPLES IF YOU WANT EXAMPLES, BUT, UM, THERE IS CERTAINLY NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DOES HAPPEN.
AND SOME OF THAT REFLECTS THE FACT THAT THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, IT IS JUST A COLLECTIVE RIGHT.
CITY CHATTANOOGA IS AN EXAMPLE.
THEIR ATTORNEY IS THEIR SPORTS AUTHORITY ATTORNEY.
AS WELL AS THEIR CITY ATTORNEY.
SO WE'RE NOT, HI, WE DON'T HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.
WE COULD HAVE OF THE MEMBERS ON THE, ON THE IDB, IT COULD BE STAFF REPRESENTATIVE, CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTATIVE, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PRIVATE PARTNER THAT'S INVOLVED, AND THEN OTHER POSSIBLE RESIDENTS.
SO THE CITY ATTORNEY REP WOULD BE JUST REPRESENTING THEM OR I OR AN OUTSIDE
JUST BE GIVING, I DON'T KNOW THAT A, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE A STAFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD WANT THAT.
A STAFF REP, SOMEBODY, A STAFF MEMBER ON THE BOARD.
I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE STAFF MEMBER THAT SERVES THE BOARD.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY EARLIER.
MOST IBS ACROSS THE STATE DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN STAFF.
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THEY RELY ON THE ENTITY THAT CREATED THAT.SO HERE IT WOULD BE CITY STAFF, STAFF WOULD, SO THEY'D HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THE ID, BUT THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL AND A COMMISSIONER COULD, A COMMISSIONER WE'RE GONNA RESEARCH.
UM, WHAT IF, UM, OKAY, SO JUST TO BE CERTAIN, THE MEMBERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED TO THE IP, UM, THEY ARE NOT COMPENSATED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING.
I THINK THEY CAN BE REIMBURSED, BUT IT'S UP TO FOR EXPENSES YEAH.
REIMBURSED FOR EXPENSIVE AND NOT MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
AND THEN WHAT IF WE FIND THAT, UM, BYLAWS IN THE CHARTER FROM OUR DORMANT IDV AND WE WANT TO IMPROVE THEM, CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE FROM 19 PAGES.
WE CAN DO THAT'S MIGHT HAVE TYPED OUT ON IT.
YOU MADE ME SAY WE'RE GONNA, WE WOULD QUICKLY GO RESUSCITATING THE PATIENTS TOO HARD.
WE'VE GOT BYLAWS, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, LET'S JUST START FRESH AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I I I BET THAT'S WHAT WE OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU'RE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH ANYWAY TO MAKE SURE THE BYLAWS AND THE CHARTER WILL WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE PERCENT, I'M SURE THEY CONTEMPLATE NOTHING ABOUT ELECTRONIC, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OR THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THOSE ARE OTHER POLICIES THAT IDB WOULD HAVE TO YES.
ADOPT AN OPEN RECORDS POLICY AND THEY COULD JUST FOLLOW THE LEAD IN THE CITY AND PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING YES.
REINSTATE AND AMEND, REINSTATE AND AMEND OR JUST START OVER.
WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE THE IDB IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S, IS WHAT I, I'VE HEARD IS IT GIVES THIS MECHANISM YEAH.
BUT THEN KIND OF START OVER WITH THE AMENDED DOCUMENT COMPASS STARTING OVER.
YOU SAID SOMETHING AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, AND, UM, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A COUNTERPARTY PRIVATE REPRESENTATIVE ON YOUR ID VEHICLE.
YOU WOULD NOT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
ONE IS, IS THEY'D HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FOR OKAY.
FROM EVERY, EVERY VOTE, WHICH IS SORT OF BEING A WASTE OF TIME.
BUT IT'S ALSO YOU JUST, YOU WOULD WANT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR APPOINTEES.
CITY PEOPLE LOOKING AFTER CITY AND THE IB OKAY.
BUT THAT PERSON WOULD PROBABLY COME TO THE MEETINGS.
YEAH, THEY'D BE CALLED UP, THEY'D BE CALLED UP TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THE SPRING HILL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD RECENTLY REINSTATED ITSELF, AND THEY HAVE A RETIRED DEVELOPER ON IT.
THEY HAVE A BANKER, UM, THEY HAVE A REAL ESTATE LAWYER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES THAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, CHOSEN FROM THE COMMUNITY OKAY.
I THINK ONE, ONE POINT HERE, I GUESS I WILL JUST INTERJECT, IS OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING POTENTIALLY DOING THIS IS TO DO A, THE PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
I THINK BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THAT PRIVATE PARTNER TO SEE WHETHER THIS DYNAMIC IN ANY WAY CHANGES HIS INTEREST IN THE PARTNER.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF, IF THAT DID, THEN I DON'T THINK YOU, YOU'D BE, YOU'D BE BACK TO DO WE BUILD IT AND RUN IT? DO WE BUILD IT AND MANAGE IT? DO WE BUILD IT AT ALL? SO JUST TO SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME RIGHT.
SEMBLANCE OF, OF, UH, ASSURANCE THAT THAT PRIVATE PARTY IS STILL INTERESTED IN PURSUING IT UNDER THIS DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT.
AND WE GO ABOUT THAT BY YOU REACHING OUT TO THAT PERSON.
I HAVE PROVIDED SPENCER WITH, WITH THE MEMO FROM THEM, UH, HIS, HE HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY.
SO I, I, WHETHER THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FORMALLY HAPPENS.
I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY ASK HIM IF HE, BASED UPON THAT, AND I'VE TOLD HIM THAT IF HIS ATTORNEY NEEDS TO CONSULT WITH THEM TO CLARIFY ANYTHING, WE'LL BE GLAD TO AUTHORIZE, YOU KNOW, JEFF AND BETSY TO TALK WITH THEM.
AND I GUESS JUST ASK HIM TO ASSESS IT IF HE HAS QUESTIONS, AND THEN KIND OF COMMUNICATE BACK TO YOU AS A BODY SOMEHOW HIS, HIS CURRENT POSITION ON IT.
WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE, UM, AN UPDATE, UH, TO THE NON-BINDING LETTER OF INTENT.
WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY, IT'S EXPIRED.
IF IT'S NOT, IF THE 90 DAYS HAVE IT, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT HAS.
WHETHER HIS INTENT IS TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATIONS UNDER THIS STRUCTURE OR NOT, AND OBVIOUSLY IF HE DOES, THEN WE, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THAT STEP 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
IF HE DOESN'T, THEN I THINK YOUR DISCOUNT IS A GOOD ONE.
IF THE SPORTS AUTHORITY OR AN IDB IS CREATED,
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DOES THAT BOARD HAVE TO STAY FOR THE LIFE OF THAT PROJECT? I MEAN, IF IT'S LIKE A 20 YEAR LEASE, 25 YEAR LEASE, THAT BOARD HAS TO BE YES.CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE OWNER OF THAT FACILITY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THAT LEASE AGREEMENT IS RIGHT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT.
COURSE
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATES OF THE SPORTS FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT.
LIKE I'M SURE THE TITAN STADIUM IS THEIR SPORTS AUTHORITY ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE, RIGHT.
THEY HAVE TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE EXCEPT OUR FAMILY, OF COURSE, SITUATION, NEGOTIATING WITH FAMILY, THEIR ROLE.
YOU WOULD, UM, SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DIDN'T PICK PEOPLE WHO COULD BRING BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, TO THE, LET'S JUST TELL YOU, ASK A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHAT OUGHT TO BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT BOARD CAN BE A GOOD FILTER.
YOU KNOW, SORT OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WHAT GETS BROUGHT TO YOU IS MUCH MORE COHERENT THAN PROBABLY IF IT JUST GOT THROWN TOGETHER ABOUT YOUT WANT A RUBBER STAND.
YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GOAL IS AND HOW TO GET THERE, UM, AND READ THE DOCUMENTS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MEETING, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T, BUT IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE ANOTHER LAYER.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER FILTER THAT JUST, YOU JUST GET BETTER IN PRODUCT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEN IN THE 20 OR WHATEVER, HOW MANY YEARS OF OPERATIONS JUST GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH FACILITY OPERATIONS AND LIKE, I CAN I SPOT THAT AS A PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, WHERE I, I, I NOT, SO YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE WHILE WE HAVE THEM HERE? THANK YOU.
ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE YOUR HONOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD QUESTIONS.
I'LL EMAIL KRISTEN ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO I GUESS THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE ONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND ON THE OLD IEP.
AND THEN I WILL, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH SPENCER JUST KIND OF, AND AGAIN, I HAVE LET HIM KNOW WHAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT HE'S REPRESENTED.
I'M SURE HE'LL GO LISTEN TO THE YEAH.
BUT JUST SAY AT SOME POINT IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE, WE NEED TO KIND OF HAVE SOME INDICATION FROM HIM.
IF WE MOVE FORWARD UNDER THIS STRUCTURE.
IS HIS INTEREST IN THE PARTNERSHIP STILL THERE? I MEAN, IS THAT A EFFECTIVE QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO SENSE THAT NO POINT IN GOING THROUGH IT.
PUTTING ANY MORE EFFORT TOWARDS IT IF IT'S NOT AN OPTION AT ALL FOR HIM.
AND, AND I WOULD COMMEND STAFF AGAIN BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE THINGS THEY WERE OFFERING YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS POINT RIGHT NOW.
SO NOW WE'LL JUMP BACK TO REGULAR BRIEFING AGENDA STUFF.
UM, SO AGAIN, REMEMBER MONDAY NIGHT IS OUR GIVING OUT THE MONEY TO CHURCHES AND COMPARED TO YOURS, SORRY, THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER KID
UM, THEY BETTER CONSULT KRISTEN BEFORE DO THAT.
THE, UH, AND I THINK OKAY, GREAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SPENCER'S TERM.
UM, THE, WELL, FIRST OF COURSE I HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO MEET LEE LILY, OUR NEW LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
SHE HAS, BUT UH, I'M NOT GONNA WELL I WASN'T GONNA PUT HER ON SPOT.
BUT, UH, I DID THIS CHARLES, I'LL DO IT TO HER.
BUT THIS IS AGAIN LEE, I, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, YOU'VE SEEN HER RESUME, LEE, I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA JUST GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION FOR YOURSELF AND SURE.
I'M YOUR NEW LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
I'M REALLY THRILLED TO BE HERE.
THE BRENTWOOD LIBRARY IS WONDERFUL AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DEVELOPING GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OF YOU, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENHANCE THIS WONDERFUL RESOURCE HERE IN BRENTWOOD.
AND, AND LEE GREW UP IN THE AREA, NOT IN BRENTWOOD, BUT I THINK RIGHT OVER IN THE CREVE HALL, RIGHT? CREVE HALL, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YEAH, I'VE BEEN AROUND GOOD.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING IN LIBRARIES, UM, FOR OVER 17 YEARS.
I TEACH, UH, ONE CLASS A SEMESTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA.
UM, IT'S A REALLY COOL WAY TO STAY ENGAGED WITH PEOPLE ENTERING THE PROFESSION AND, UM, EDUCATE THEM ON LIBRARY.
SO I WILL SAY THE LIBRARY BOARD PEPPERED HER WITH LOTS OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE SHE DID A GREAT JOB.
SO, SO ANYWAY, WELL WELCOME LEE AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE OF HER AS TIME GOES ON.
SO MONDAY NIGHT, UH, CHARLES WILL KIND OF HELP ORCHESTRATE THE PICTURE TAKEN.
I THINK, MAYOR, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS LET ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS COME UP, SAY THEIR THING AND THEN YOU ALL COME DOWN.
WE'LL MOVE, DO MULTIPLE PICTURES, BUT
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ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND NOT COME AND GO WITH IT, IF THAT'S FINE.UH, ALRIGHT THEN MOVING ON TO AGENDA.
WE GOT A LOT OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. MM-HMM.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT SIMPLY JUST CHANGES THE TERMINOLOGY FROM WATERWAY NATURAL AREA TO HELP ME OUT HERE REPAIRING, REPAIR, AND BUFFER.
THIS ONE IS WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN ITEM TWO IS THE MORE DETAILED ONE.
THAT'S CHAPTER 56, WHICH IS JUST THE STORMWATER FLOOD ORDINANCE, UH, PART OF OUR CODE, UH, THIS IS THE ONE YOU HAD THE PRESENTATION ON, UH, THE LAST BRIEFING FROM THE FOLKS FROM CEC.
UH, A LOT OF DETAIL, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UM, WE PUT IT ON CONSENT ONLY BECAUSE WE, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT.
THERE WASN'T MUCH PUBLIC COMMENT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN PULL IT OFF IF FOR ANY REASON SOMEONE DOES.
BUT, UH, WE FELT IT COULD BE COVERED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, ITEM THREE IS OUR, UM, RENEWAL OF OUR LAMA, WHICH IS THE PLANNING AND CODES DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING SOFTWARE SYSTEM.
A RENEWAL OF THAT, UH, BOB FOR HOW MANY MORE YEARS FORWARD? UH, THREE YEARS.
168 DAYS
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD NOW FOR FOUR, FIVE YEARS, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
IT'LL BE FIVE YEARS IN JANUARY.
THE, UH, AND AGAIN, SO THIS IS A RENEWAL OF AN EXISTING SOFTWARE SYSTEM, ABOUT 30 LITTLE OVER $37,000 A YEAR FOR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
UM, ITEM FOUR IS THE ROOF REPLACEMENT FOR OR PER PORTION OF THE LIBRARY, UH, WHICH IS IN OUR CIP BUDGET.
COMMISSIONERS BRIEFLY, UM, RECALL THAT WE PUT $525,000 IN THE CIP TO REPLACE THE FLAT ROOF SECTIONS OF THE, OF THE LIBRARY.
NOT TO INCLUDE THE EXPANSION AREA, WHICH IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT OF THE, BOTH THOSE AERIALS.
UM, WE HAVE APPROACHED, UH, GARLAND DBS, WHO WE'VE DONE WORK SUCCESSFULLY WITH IN THE PAST UNDER A, UH, TURNKEY TYPE OF AGREEMENT.
THEY HAVE THROUGH OMNIA PARTNERS WHERE THEY BASICALLY WILL BE THE PROJECT LEAD.
THEY BID OUT THE PROJECT WITH LOCAL ROOFERS.
WE, THEY PROVIDE ALL GARLAND MATERIALS OF THE MATERIALS THAT GARLAND PROVIDES.
I MEAN, THEY MANUFACTURE, THERE'S SOME NON GARLAND MATERIALS AND, UM, THEY, UH, THEY WENT OUT TO THE LOCAL MARKET AND SOLICITED BIDS.
UH, COLL YOUR ROOFING WAS THE LOWEST BID THAT WE GOT JUST UNDER $650,000, WHICH IS HUNDRED 24,982 ABOVE WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED.
AND, UH, I'VE GOT ANDREW HENSON FROM GARLAND HERE.
YOU'D LIKE TO CALL IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE DELTA THERE.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE SPECIFICATION TO, INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE PARAPET FLASHING, ACTUALLY PULLING EVERYTHING OFF SO THAT THERE'S NOT A SEAM THERE THAT IN THE, THE FUTURE COULD BE COMPROMISED.
AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLY JUST LOCAL MARKET PRICING CONTRIBUTING TO THAT INCREASE.
SO WITH YOUR APPROVAL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO GARLAND AND THEY EXPECT TO, TO COMMENCE WORK EARLY SEPTEMBER.
UM, THEY'LL MAKE THE ORDER RIGHT AFTER YOU APPROVE THIS CONTRACT AND HOPEFULLY BE CONCLUDED OR AT LEAST PULLED OFF THE PROJECT SITE DURING EARLY VOTING SO THAT WE DON'T DISRUPT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AT THAT TIME.
UM, SUBCONTRACTS ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT.
SO, AND THIS MAY, UH, JUST TO REFRESH MY MEMORY, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ROOFING SYSTEM AND THE INSULATION AND WATER INTRUSION AND LOTS OF DRAMA.
SO, BUT THIS IS, IF I REMEMBER, SORT OF OUR SOLUTION TO GETTING AWAY FROM THE PREVIOUS INSULATION SYSTEM AND SOME OTHER STUFF, OR DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT? OR IS THIS, SO THAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE ROOF AND THE INSULATION AND THE PLASTIC.
AND SO THIS IS JUST THE TOP OF THE ROOF, JUST THAT THE DECK AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING THE DECKING, WE'RE JUST DOING ABOVE THE DECKING.
IT IS NODDING HEADS GOING ON BACK THERE, SO, OKAY.
WE'RE NOT NO DECK REPLACEMENT.
THANKFULLY, OUR ROOF SCAN SHOWED THAT THE DECK IS NOT COMPROMISED.
UH, BUT WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT? IT, WITHIN THE CEILING SPACE.
THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THE DROP CEILING UP ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DECK.
THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING THERE.
THIS IS ALL THE TOP, BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE IS PUTTING IN SENSORS.
AND THAT'S BEEN DONE? THAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
SO, SO, SO I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT ALL OF IT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT'S IN ONE BUCKET.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST THE MOISTURE INTRUSION FROM ABOVE, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE FREEZING PIPES OR THE FREEZING TEMPERATURE OR, UM, YEAH.
AND, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE TYPE OF ROOF THAT WE'RE DOING.
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THE BALLASTED EPDM INTO A FULLY ADHERED ROOF.UM, THE CONTRACTOR THINKS THAT THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION TO GO WITH.
THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE ALL THE ROCK UP THERE WHEN YOU WALK ON THE ROCK, IT TENDS TO PUNCH HOLES AND THINGS.
SO THAT GETS RID OF THAT PROBLEM.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT ONE TIME VERSUS HAVING TO COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSE WITH THAT AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND JAY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU, WHERE IN OUR BUDGET ARE WE PULLING THAT EXTRA MONEY ON IT? IF WE DON'T HAVE SAVINGS FROM OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS PART OF THAT YEAR END TRANSFER.
SOME OF THAT USUALLY GOES TO FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FOR PROJECTS.
WE JUST HAVE TO, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE ABSORBED INTO THAT BEFORE WE DO ANY OTHER NEW PROJECTS OUT OF THAT MONEY.
I THINK GOOD POINT WAS WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF ROOF WORK ABOVE AND BELOW, AND IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ROOF, BUT THIS REALLY, THIS SHOULD SOLVE THIS PLUS WHAT ELSE WE'VE DONE.
WE, WELL, WE DO HAVE THE SMALLER SECTION IN ABOUT 10 YEARS, HOPEFULLY.
IS THIS HARD HERE? WE HAVE DONE ALMOST ALL OF OUR ROOF WORK.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE SET FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, LIKE, IF YOU GET A NEW ROOF AT YOUR HOUSE, YOU SAY, WELL NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM FOR TIME OUT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD EVER.
I JUST, I KNEW WE'D, BUT THERE IS A WARRANTY THAT COMES WITH THIS.
I MEAN, WHAT'S OUR YEAH, I'LL, I'LL PROVIDE A 30 YEAR, UH, WARRANTY ON THE, ON EVERYTHING WE REPLACE HERE.
REPLACEMENT CASH VALUE OR ACTUAL CASH VALUE.
ITEM FIVE IS A TASK ORDER WITH CIVIL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANCY.
SEE THE SAME FOLKS THAT WERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS FOR OUR INSTREAM ANNUAL VISUAL ASSESSMENTS AND MONITORING OF OUR DIFFERENT STREAMS IN THE CITY.
THIS IS AN ONGOING THING WE'VE BEEN DOING, THANK YOU.
SO SOMETHING HERE SO LONG BEFORE REALLY SINCE THE PERMIT CAME OUT.
WE'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH D DC FOR AT LEAST I THINK 2015.
SO THEY, THEY CERTAIN STREAM SEGMENTS EVERY YEAR OVER THE FIVE YEAR LIFE OF THE PERMIT.
THEY HAVE TO ASSESS, THEY WALK 'EM, TAKE PICTURES, IDENTIFY ISSUES AND PROBLEMS, SUBMIT REPORTS TO THE, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
BUT IT'S JUST MONITORING THE, THE HEALTH AND THE QUALITY OF THE STREAMS. UM, QUICK QUESTION.
UM, IT SAYS THE TOTAL IS 31 5, BUT THEN UP IN THE BODY ON THE SECOND PAGE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, THE COST TO PERFORM THEIR PART ASSESSMENT SAMPLING IS 29 9.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING OR IS THAT JUST A TYPO THAT DIDN'T GET UPDATED? IT'S JUST THE TWO NUMBERS SEEM TO, AS FAR AS WHY 31 5 VERSUS VERSUS 29 9.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
IT JUST USUALLY THE NUMBER OF THE BODY MATCHES THE HERE.
I THINK 31, UH, SARAH CATHERINE JUST POINTED OUT, WE, WE BELIEVE 31 5 IS FROM LAST YEAR.
IT WAS JUST A, WE COPIED OVER THE ITEM AND DIDN'T UPDATE THAT.
I THINK PER THE DOCUMENT TOO IS 29 9 ON THE NEXT PAGE THERE FROM THE ACTUAL CEC AGREEMENT IF YOU TURN OVER THE BACKSIDE OF THE RESOLUTION.
SO I THINK 29 9 IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT NUMBER.
AND FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, THE MAIN SITUATION FOR THESE, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, IN THE PICTURE SHOW IS THE SEDIMENTATION BUILDUP.
RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
KATHY, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT YEAH.
IT COULD BE, THERE'S A LACK OF BUFFER.
THERE'S ISSUES AND WE'RE ALSO DOING SAMPLING THIS TIME.
SO THEY'LL DO BENTHIC MACRO INVERTEBRAE SAMPLING, WHICH IS THEY'RE CHECKING FOR AQUATIC BODIES AND ALL OF OUR STREAMS AND THEY'RE CHECKING IF THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES.
IT MEANS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A PATHOGEN ISSUE AND A CERTAIN STREAMING CREEK AND WE HAVE TO REPORT THAT TO TEX.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT THEY'RE CHECKING WITH THIS AND THAT CAN BE PATH PATHOGEN, SEDIMENTATION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BIG INDUSTRIAL USES, BUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR ILLICIT CONNECTIONS WHERE SOMEBODY'S PIPING SOMETHING STRAIGHT TO THE STREAM AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, NOT AN ISSUE FOR US.
UH, ITEM SIX IS JUST ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC STREETS.
AND THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE STREETS IN THE RESERVE AT RAINTREE.
UH, AN EXTENSION OF EASTWOOD DRIVE AND SHORT CUL-DE-SAC, UH, TREEHOUSE COURT OFF OF EASTWOOD DRIVE.
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AN AGREEMENT WITH CONVERGENT, WHICH IS OUR, UM, SECURITY DOOR ACCESS SECURITY VENDOR THAT WE HAVE FOR ALL OF OUR FACILITIES.AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM FOR THEM TO COME IN AND DO THEIR DOOR ACCESS, UH, REVISIONS AND INSTALLATIONS RELATED TO OUR CITY HALL RENOVATION PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA STAY WITH THE SAME CONTRACTORS AND EQUIPMENT.
UH, SO THAT AGREEMENT IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WORK AFTER.
IT'S NOT, THIS IS JUST PUTTING THE NEW CARD READERS AND RUNNING THE WIRES TO THE LOCKS AND ALL THAT WITH ALL THE REVISED DOORS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, THAT'S PART OF THE RENOVATION PROJECT.
IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT FOUR POINT OR 5.4 MILLION.
THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL BUDGET.
IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACTORS PART OF THAT BUDGET.
BUT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL BUDGET.
WE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR CITY EQUIPMENT.
AND PLUS WE'RE BUYING THE MONITORS IN THE COMPUTER ROOMS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IF ANYTHING COMES IN THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT BUDGET, YOU'LL LET US KNOW THIS IS OUTSIDE OR ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE PLANNED.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS GETS THEM UNDER CONTRACT.
THEY'LL THEN WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR BEFORE THE CONTRACTOR STARTS SEALING UP WALLS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF TO MAKE SURE WE GOT ALL THE WIRES RUN IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
NEXT SEVERAL ITEMS ARE, UM, TECH RELATED THINGS WHERE SARAH, THERE SHE IS.
I'LL JUST, A LOT OF THESE ARE RENEWALS OF THINGS, BUT THE FIRST ITEM IS A, A RENEWAL OF OUR VEEAM SOFTWARE, WHICH IS I THINK RELATED TO OUR BACKUP STUFF.
I'M JUST GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA STAY UP HERE FOR A SECOND.
I KNEW I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA YOU TO BACKING ME ON UP HERE.
UM, SO BEAM AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, IT'S OUR BACKUP.
SO FOR ALL OF OUR SERVERS AND DATA.
SO, UH, THAT'S, IT'S JUST A RENEWAL HERE.
LITTLE, UH, 34 600 AND THAT'S IN THEIR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET.
NINE IS THE MAINTENANCE ON THE CITY'S UPS SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE THE BIG BUILDING BATTERY BACKUP THINGS.
WE HAVE ONE HERE AT CITY HALL, ONE AT FLEETS HQ AND PROPERTY LEE IS THE THIRD ONE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE SAME VENDOR WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, VERTIV CORRECT.
SPLIT ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
10 IS, THIS IS A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE IS SOME ADDITIONAL OR ENHANCED, UH, CYBERSECURITY TOOLS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED, UH, OUT OF SOME OF OUR REVIEW OF OUR RECENT INCIDENT, CORRECT.
UM, SO THESE ARE TOOLS THAT THE THIRD PARTY THAT WE BROUGHT IN TO HELP US HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT IN PLACE RIGHT AWAY.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE BASIC VERSIONS OF THIS, BUT THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT THE ADVANCE VERSIONS OF THESE TOOLS IN PLACE.
UH, AND SO THIS IS A, THE BUDGET, THESE WERE NOT IN THE BUDGET, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO YEAH.
SO YOU SEE A $200,000 NUMBER, THAT'S FOR FIVE, FIVE YEARS.
SO ONLY THE ANNUAL AMOUNT HITS EVERY YEAR.
SO THIS WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF LIKELY A, A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AGAIN, WE WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR TO SEE WHERE THEIR SAVINGS ON OTHER THINGS.
AND SO IF THIS YEAR'S COST IS 40, MAYBE WE GOTTA DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR 25.
'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER SAVINGS THAT HELPS ABSORB PART OF IT.
UH, ITEM 11 IS VMWARE RENEWAL.
AND YOU CAN SAY WHAT VMWARE IS.
SO VMWARE IS JUST OUR VIRTUAL SERVERS AND VIRTUAL DESKTOPS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF THAT HARD DESKTOP THAT WE HAVE, SIMILAR DESK, WE HAVE VIRTUAL DESKTOPS.
SO WITHOUT GETTING TWO OF THE WE, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I FEEL LIKE CONSENT 11 IS VERY SIMILAR TO CONSENT EIGHT WITH THE, THE VM, THE VEEAM.
SO WHAT'S THE YEAH, THERE'S, SO VEEAM IS THE ACTUAL BACKUP SOFTWARE.
WHERE VMWARE IS ACTUALLY THE VIRTUAL SERVERS THAT WE HAVE INSTEAD OF AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL SERVER.
SO THAT THEY SOUND VERY SIMILAR.
BUT THEY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
UM, WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.
THEY WOULD KIND OF GET THE HAND-ME-DOWNS IN PUBLIC WORKS AS THEY WORE OUT.
WELL, THE PUBLIC WORKS NOT USING CHIPPER MACHINES ANYMORE.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY HAND-ME-DOWNS.
SO WHATEVER ONE DAVE HAS NOW IS PRETTY LONG IN THE TOOTH, I'M ASSUMING.
SO MY QUESTION ON THIS IS, IF TODD HAS GOTTEN HIS DEPARTMENT TO MOVE TO GRAPPLE AND HAULING THIS STUFF OFF OR HAVING SOMEBODY COME ON SITE TO CHIP FOR IT, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT TODD? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT COLLECT WITH THE GRAPPLES AND THEN THEY COME ON SITE TO CORRECT.
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WHAT ARE WE COLLECTING AND CHIPPING AT PARKS AND REC THAT WE CAN'T PUT WITH TODD'S COLLECTION AND CHIPPING A LOT OF THE CHRISTMAS TREES EACH YEAR WE CHIP UP TO CHRISTMAS TREES AND USE 'EM ON OUR, OUR NA NA NATURAL TRAILS AND THEN SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE JUST CHIP UP INTO THE WOODS AND WE NEVER REALLY HAUL OUT 'EM OUT ON THE TRAILS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.THEY'LL JUST TAKE THIS IN AND CHIP RIGHT THERE AND AND JUST BLOW IT IN.
AND SO WE'RE NOT HAULING OUT BIG TREES OR LIMBS AND ALL THAT STUFF TO TAKE 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO IF WE TRY TO USE THE GRINDERS OF PUBLIC WORKS, THEN WE'D ADD A WHOLE LOT OF LOGISTICS IN TRYING TO, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET IT OUT AND BRING IT BACK.
WE DO COLLABORATE CURRENTLY WHERE WE CAN AND WE TRY TO PICK UP AT AS WE'RE ABLE STUFF THAT THEY CAN GET TO A SPOT WHERE THE TRUCK IS ABLE TO GET TO.
BUT IN THE PARKS THERE'S SO MANY AREAS YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A GRAPPLE TRUCK.
HAVE WE LOOKED INTO LIKE LEASING FOR THOSE SPECIFIC TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR CHRISTMAS TREES OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT AND OR RENTING INSTEAD OF OWNING? DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO LEASE, BUT WE USE IT YEAR ROUND.
THERE IS A CERTAIN SEASON IT'S COMP.
ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AFTER ONE OF THOSE STORMS, THE TRAILS WERE JUST COVERED WITH LIMBS DODGE PRUNING.
AND THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE PURCHASED UNDER A COOPERATIVE SOURCE? WELL, CONTRACTS AND, UH, WITHIN THE BUDGET AMOUNT.
YOU'RE SAYING THE CHRISTMAS TREES ARE, IT'S EVERYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL.
ALL THE RESIDENTS DROP 'EM OFF AT THE LOCAL PARK.
AND WE'LL TAKE 'EM, CHIP 'EM UP AND PUT 'EM ON OUR NECK.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE RESIDENTS PUT 'EM ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THE GRANDPA TRUCK, WE USE THE CHIPS FOR THE TRAIL.
THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND THE ONES THAT PICK UP IN THE YARDS WE DON'T USE.
SO, AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS'S TRUE, BUT I MEAN PEOPLE DON'T WANT 'EM OUT IN THEIR FRONT YARD FOR THREE WEEKS UNTIL THERE'S TIME COMES AGAIN AT THE END OF JANUARY.
THEY HAVE THE RESCUE WORK VERY WELL YEARS.
UH, ITEM 13 IS A REQUEST, UH, FROM PUBLIC WORKS FOR, THEY HAD THE WORD EMERGENCY.
I CHANGED THIS TO URGENT TREATMENT.
WELL 'CAUSE IF IT WAS AN EMERGENCY I WOULD'VE JUST AUTHORIZED IT AND COME BACK TO YOU AND DO IT.
SO THIS IS ONE WHERE IT WASN'T LIKE HAD TO BE DONE TODAY, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD WAIT A MONTH OR TWO IS, IS MY DEFINITION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMERGENCY AND URGENT.
BUT, UM, SO TODD, UH, WITH THE HELP OF ONE OF OUR, UH, TREE VENDORS WHO WE'VE USED OFTENTIMES AND TODD HAS A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN, HAVE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL TREES, SOME IN THE MURRAY LANE MEDIAN, UH, A COUPLE OFF OF, UH, CROCKETT ROAD, GREENHILL BOULEVARD, CONCORD AREA THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY ARE SHOWING TO BE DAMAGED, UH, AND POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS.
AND GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ALL ALONG MAJOR ROADS FEEL THE NEED TO GET THEM DOWN SOONER.
SO YOU'RE BLAME IF ANYBODY GETS HURT.
WELL, HOPEFULLY IF YOU APPROVE MONDAY THEY'LL BE CUTTING 'EM TUESDAY.
BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW QUICKLY THEY'RE ALIVE.
UM, PROBABLY NOT THAT QUICK THAT THAT, BUT WE'VE, UM, AND THERE'S SOME PICTURES IN THERE.
UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY DEAD TREES EITHER DEAD OR ALMOST DEAD.
AND, AND WE'VE HAD LIMBS FALL, WE HAD A INCIDENT ON MURRAY LINE.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ON MURRAY LINE, BUT SOME OF THOSE TREES HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES THERE.
UM, SO WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION FOR A WHILE ABOUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE? 'CAUSE ANY GIVEN TREE, YOU KNOW, REMOVAL, THE COST OF, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE SIZE AND ACCESS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO TODD IS WORKING ON TRYING TO GET, UH, UH, PROPOSALS FROM MAYBE SEVERAL TREE COMPANIES TO HAVE ON UNDER CONTRACT THAT WE CAN CALL WHEN NEEDED.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST HOW DO, HOW DO WE STRUCTURE IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO GET APPLES TO APPLES OR AS CLOSE TO IT WITH VENDORS.
UM, SO WHAT WE ASKED HIM TO DO AND WHAT HE DID HERE, REALLY, HE ASKED HIM, HE WENT AND DID IT AND THEN SAID, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WHO'S THE VENDOR WE TRUST THE MOST IN THESE AREAS? HEAVY, HEAVY TRAFFIC AREAS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE MOST URGENT ONES, WHAT'S THE PRICE FOR THAT? WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU AS A KIND OF A REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BID, UM, TO GET THESE TAKEN CARE OF WHILE WE CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY WORK TOWARDS, UH, HAVING SOMETHING MORE UNDER CONTRACT THAT WE CAN CALL ON.
UM, BUT THIS PRICE FOR THESE, HOW IT'S, UH, HOW MANY TREES AGAIN, TODD? IT'S 15 TOTAL TREES.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THE DEAD WOOD PRUNING, ESPECIALLY OF LIMBS THAT OVERHANG MURRAY LANE THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF MEDIUM FROM FRANKLIN ROAD TO BRENTWOOD HIGH.
UM, SO THE OVERALL PRICE WAS 44 7 44
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OR SOMETHING.I'M ASKING FOR 47 JUST SO THAT THERE'S A LITTLE CONTINGENCY IN CASE WE OBSERVE SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T OTHERWISE KNOW ABOUT.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN ADDRESS IT RIGHT ON THE SPOT.
UH, AND AS KIRK SAID, I DO HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THIS.
CONTRACTOR CONTRACTORS WITH REGARDS TO ANY PROJECT ARE NOT CREATED EQUALLY.
AND THIS ONE HAS DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY TO WORK SAFE, ESPECIALLY AROUND TRAFFIC AND EFFICIENTLY.
EVERY ONE OF THESE IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST TAKING A TREE DOWN IN YOUR BACKYARD OR MINE.
SO THE QUICKER AND SAFER WE CAN GET 'EM DONE AND TO THE GROUND QUICKER, EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE ON THEIR WAY.
SO WE WORK ON LIKE THE ONE PEAK TIMES, WEEKENDS, WHATEVER TO DO IT.
SORRY, CAN THEY DO THE, CAN THEY DO IT LIKE THE NON-PEAK TIMES, LIKE TO MESS SCHOOL? HE DID NOT PRICE IT THAT WAY AND IT WOULD REQUIRE TRAFFIC CONTROL FROM US AFTER HOURS AS WELL.
UM, SO I DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THAT.
AND SOME, SOME AREAS WE'RE SO CLOSE TO HOMES TOO THAT THAT LATE NIGHT OR OVER THE WEEKEND WORK WOULD BE MORE BOTHERSOME THAN DURING THE, BUT I ASSUME, LIKE I'M MURRAY LANE, WE'LL DO IT OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL THAT WE WILL HAVE TO IN THAT WINDOW BETWEEN WHATEVER, EIGHT 30 AND YOU HAVE FALL BREAKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF IT CAN LAST, IF IT'S NOT YEAH, I DON'T IF WE WANT WAIT UNTIL FALL EMERGENCY.
I MEAN, WELL ONE TREE YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I GUESS YOU WANT HIM TO DO MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME.
ALL MY GOAL WOULD BE DO ALL 15 OF THESE OH.
UM, IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL DAYS.
I MEAN THIS IS PROBABLY SEVEN TO 10 DAYS WORTH OF WORK CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY AGAIN, WHICH KIND OF PROVES THE VALUE IN PROPOSAL I THINK.
BUT, UM, IT, THAT, THAT TREE ON THE RIGHT AND THAT EXAMPLE OF OLD SMYRNA ROAD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY BUT TO CLOSE THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE THAT WE CAN LOOK TO TRY AND DO IN THE EVENING OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET MOVING.
THESE ARE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ESCALATED THEIR DETERIORATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THROUGH A DROUGHT SUMMER OR A ROUGH WINTER OR DISEASE.
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES, BUT THEY, THEY NEED TO COME DOWN.
WELL IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS COPIED ON THE PICTURE OF THE, UH, RECENT DAMAGE ON MURRAY LANE, FORMER COMMISSIONER, FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S DAUGHTER, IT DID A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE CAR.
IT REALLY COULD HAVE BEEN BAD.
THAT WAS AS A PART OF A STORM.
I I MEAN I WOULD JUST ADD WE DID NOT KNOW RIGHT.
UM, A STORM BLEW THROUGH IT, I THINK THE LAST WEEK OF JULY AND KNOCKED THAT LIMB LOOSE THAT LIMB AND HAS REVEALED THAT PORTION OF THE TREE THAT YOU SEE NOW WAS NOT REALLY OBSERVABLE PRIOR.
THAT'S JUST MAKE SURE IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE.
I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN WE FINISH THIS PORTION.
WELL, I I'M JUST GONNA COMPLIMENT Y'ALL FOR BEING PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY FOLKS THAT'D RATHER FIGHT FIRES THAN, UH, GET OUT THERE AND DO IT AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT THANKS FOR TAKING A LOOK AT THESE TREES AND ABSOLUTELY.
YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH.
I WAS GONNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF BRENTWOOD, UM, EXPECT THAT.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLEASING THEM AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
AND I KNOW IT THAT CRAZY DROP IN TEMPERATURE TWO DECEMBERS AGO.
I THINK IT SET UP A LOT OF DAMAGE IN TREES AND THEN WHATEVER'S ACCELERATED IT, IT'S JUST HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
I DID HAVE A
YOU CAN TELL WHAT'S DEAD, WHICH IS THE WISE WAY TO GO.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE ON OUR MURRAY LANE REHABILITATION WITH THE ROCK WALLS AND ALL IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT QUESTION,
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE IS SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO A, I CALL IT CLEANUP.
I'M NOT, I THINK THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION AMONG THE EXTENT OF THAT.
WE DID MEET WITH THE HOA FROM MCGAVICK AND PRINCETON HILLS, THEIR HOA PRESIDENTS, UH, OUT THERE AND KIND OF LOOKED AT IT.
UM, AND, AND THEY'VE COME BACK TO US WITH EMAILS OR LETTERS KIND OF SAYING THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF A CLEANUP AND, AND SOME MORE OPENING UP OF THE, UM, THE MEDIAN THERE.
AND SO TODD AND I AND JAY WERE OUT THERE AND, AND I'M QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, WITH THE THREE OF US, THERE'S PROBABLY THREE DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.
UM, AND, AND WE JUST TOOK A FEW PICTURES HERE SO I, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE MEDIAN LOOKS LIKE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS A CEDAR TREE, CEDAR TREE THAT AS YOU CAN TELL FROM OUR LIMBING UP OF IT.
OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RUNNING THE THING BY IT.
ONE SIDE OF IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE OTHER SIDE IS HEALTHY.
SO WHEN, AND I DON'T, I I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TODAY TO PROBABLY GIVE THIS JUSTICE, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO,
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AND I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU AND MAYBE EVEN I'LL JUST MEET OUT THERE TO BE TRYING TO DEFINE WHAT, HOW FAR DO WE GO BUT BE FISH.UM, SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE TECHNICALLY THAT'S A LIVE TREE.
IS THAT A CONDITION OF A TREE? WE WOULD WANNA LEAVE THERE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH A PROJECT.
THAT'S THE PART OF THE EXAMPLE.
THIS IS HERE JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A PRETTY HEAVY SCREEN ALONG MOST OF THERE OF, OF LIVE UNDERGROWTH THAT CREATES, CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A VISUAL AND A NOISE BUFFER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
YOU CLEAN ALL THAT OUT, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UM, AND A LOT OF PLACES THAT'S 10 TO 15 FEET THICK.
UM, SO HERE'S JUST KIND OF MORE OF A STRAIGHT ON EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MATURE TREE, MATURE TREE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER TREES, BUT THEY'RE LIVE TREES AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THESE ARE DECENT, YOU KNOW, SIZE.
THEN YOU GOT ALL THIS SMALLER LITTLE UNDERGROWTH STUFF.
IS THE EXPECTATION THAT ALL THAT COMES OUT OR THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED SOME DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON WITH, BEFORE WE INITIATE ANY WORK WITH THE HO HOA PRESIDENTS KIND OF BEING IN FAVOR OF THAT, WHAT WAS THEIR REASONING WERE THEY WERE LIKE, WAS IT A SAFETY ISSUE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN THEY COME OUT? WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
I THINK MORE AESTHETICS, I THINK.
THAT THEY DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING REGARDING SAFETY AND BOTH AGREED THAT SOME LEVEL OF CLEANUP SEEMS APPROPRIATE AND, AND DESIRED.
IT'S DEFINING WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND NEITHER OF THEM INDICATED THEY WANNA SEE IT COMPLETELY OPEN.
BUT THEY DIDN'T INDICATE THAT THEY DIDN'T.
SO I THINK UNFORTUNATELY IF YOU ASK THOSE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS, THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS ALONG MURRAY LANE ARE BACKING UP TO IT, YOU PROBABLY GET A THOUSAND DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
SO IT'S JUST A LEVEL OF, I JUST WANNA MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS, I THINK DOING IT FROM A PURELY AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE AND HAVING LIKE COMMISSIONERS OR WHOEVER COME OUT THERE AND DO IT FROM AESTHETICS, I GET THAT.
BUT I KNOW LIKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG THE CREEK, THE HOA GOT ALL HAPPY ONE TIME AND SENT THE LANDSCAPING CREW OUT THERE TO CLEAR ONE SIDE OF THE CREEK AND THEY DID IT FOR AESTHETIC REASONS AND WE ENDED UP WITH AN EROSION PROBLEM.
AND THEY DID NOT DO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING EVER SINCE TO GET THE UNDERGROWTH AND THE EROSION CONTROL TO GROW BACK.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL'S IN THERE, BUT YOU MENTIONED NOISE, YOU MENTIONED SOME OTHER STUFF.
THERE CAN BE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY SOME OF THAT STUFF IS, IS DESIRABLE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME DEGREE OF EXPERTISE IN ADDITION TO JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE FOR AESTHETICS.
IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT APPROPRIATE HERE, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, SOMETIMES SOME OF THAT GROWTH HAS A MULTITUDE OF SINS TOO.
ONCE IT'S TOO CLEAN, ALL THE LEAVES AND ALL THE WEEDS AS YOU RIDE BY ARE GONNA BE SO VISIBLE AND WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.
WELL THAT, THAT'S TODD'S OTHER POINT TO ME WAS IF WE, IF WE DO A LOT, A LOT OF OPENING UP AND CLEAN UP, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION ON PUBLIC WORKS FOR IS, IS IT EVENTUALLY GRASS GROWING AND WE'RE MAINTAINING IT? OR IS IT CONSTANTLY CUT BACK EVERY COUPLE MONTHS? THERE'S A STEP ONE AND A STEP TWO.
AND TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, IF I MAY, THERE'S A LOT OF GRADE CHANGES THAT AREN'T REALLY NOTICEABLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE'S DRAINAGE DITCHES IN SOME OF THAT THAT ARE JUST OVERGROWN BUT FUNCTIONAL.
AND IF WE OPEN IT UP ENTIRELY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE HEAD WALLS AND DRAINAGE CULVERTS.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE, ESPECIALLY WESTBOUND LOOKING OVER AT EASTBOUND.
THE ROAD IS HIGHER IN SOME PORTIONS AND THE BACK OF THE CURB AND IT, IT, I MEAN IT AESTHETICALLY MIGHT NOT LOOK GREAT.
IS IT APPROPRIATE? I I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN IT, IT'S NOT GONNA HARM ANYTHING.
BUT THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION TOO.
WHAT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS, THE STONE WALL, IT ALMOST SEEMS OVERGROWN WHERE THE STONE WALL SEEMS TO HAVE DISAPPEARED.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE THOUGHT THAT THAT'S JUST AN ABANDONED ROAD WALL AND HAVE PICKED UP, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS FINE AS FAR AS CLEARING IT, BUT TO ME IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO JUST TO MAKE THE STONE WALL A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE WHERE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SET.
THAT ROAD MIGHT BE HOLDING THAT WALL TOGETHER.
WE, WE WON'T NOT WELL THAT'S, I THINK THAT TO, AND THAT WAS WOULD BE A LATER PART OF A, OF A PROJECT WOULD BE ONCE YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE CLEARING YEAH.
AND DO THAT, THEN YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE CAN YOU, YOU'D BE REBUILDING THE WALLS.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'D DO MUCH OF THAT IF YOUT HAVE THE OLD HISTORIC ONE WHILE REBUILD IT AND SPEND ALL THAT MONEY JUST BE RESTORATION.
I THINK MEAN USE USE WHAT IS THERE.
BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT.
EVEN IF WE HAVE TO TAKE A SPACE THAT'S A HUNDRED YARDS LONG AND PIECE IT TOGETHER AND NOW IT'S 50 YARDS LONG TO REBUILD THAT WALL SO THAT IT REMINDS US OF THE HISTORY IS SO WORTH IT.
UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THOSE ROCK WALLS WERE BUILT ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED THAT THE OWNER OF THAT, WHOEVER INITIATED
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THAT ROCK WALL, WOULD'VE NEVER WANTED A VOLUNTEER CEDAR TREE TO GROW IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR ROCK WALL.THEY WOULD'VE NEVER LET PRI GO FORWARD.
UM, AND THEY WOULD'VE, AND THEY WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT A HALF BERRY TREE IS GOING TO ROT FROM THE INSIDE AND FALL.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE LET THAT HAPPEN.
BUT WE, WE FIND OURSELVES WHERE WE ARE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO THE RIGHT MEDIUM FOR IT SO IT SO IT MEDIUM AND MEDIUM AND THE MEDIUM SO THAT WE CAN SERVICE ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS.
MAKE SURE THAT NO MORE LIMBS FALL ON CARS ON MURRAY LANE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE SPACE IS TAKEN CARE OF IN A WAY THAT'S STANDARDS OF BRENTWOOD.
YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT THINGS TO BE NICE.
THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT.
AND THEN ALSO FOR THAT HISTORY TO BE PRESERVED, HOWEVER WE CAN BEST PRESERVE IT, I THINK, I MEAN IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GET YOUR HAIR CUT AND YOU WANNA CHOP IT OFF, DO SOME, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A FULL DECISION.
YOU CAN DO SOME, SEE IF IT'S UNEARTHING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND, AND STOP IF WE HAVE TO.
MY KEY, MY FOCUS WOULD ALSO JUST MAKING IT SAFER, PULLING OUT OF MCG PRINCETON HILL SO YOU CAN SEE BETTER.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S WHERE START, BUT THE FOCUS IS SAFETY.
AND THEN WE CAN GO IN PHASES OF CLEAN OUT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVER DOING ANYTHING.
SO ONE THING, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS NOTHING RELATED TO, SO THAT PART OF, WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE GUIDE TO THAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE IS YOU GOT A TREE THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON IS JUST BENT THAT WAY IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LOOKING FOR LIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS, IT IS EASY TO SAY YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT THESE LITTLE SCRUBBY THINGS AND WHATEVER.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST COLLECTION OF STICKS AND LEAVES AND ALL THAT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
SO THAT'S A JUST A PULL OUT, CLEAN OUT TYPE OF STUFF.
IT'S THE, ONCE WE GET INTO CUTTING, WE DON'T WANNA, 'CAUSE TODD WAS SAYING HE'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GOT READY TO GO AND HE IS LIKE, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA CLEAR IT OUT.
I THINK WE JUST DISCOVERED THAT WE ALL HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION WAS.
SO IT, IT MAY BE A PHASED APPROACH AND, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AS WE GO.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT AN EASY THING GIVEN THE SENSITIVITY OF IT.
AND THE STONE WALL WOULD EVEN BE THE NEXT THING AFTER THAT BECAUSE WHERE CAN YOU DO AT WHAT'S LEVEL, CONDITION OF THE STONES AND LIKE YOU SAY, DO YOU TAKE WHAT YOU GOT AND JUST USE THE EXISTING STONES.
BUT IT'S JUST A SHORTER WALL SECTION AT LEAST.
SO YOU'RE NOT SUPPLEMENTING WITH IF THEY, IF THEY'RE USABLE THEY WILL BE CREATE A THANK THEY ROCKS.
JUST WANTED QUESTION BEFORE HE LEAVES.
UH, THIS IS ON SOMETHING TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK WE HAD A RESIDENT WHOSE WIFE WAS HIT BY A CAR.
SHE WAS ON A BICYCLE AND IN UM, COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM, HE ASKED ME ABOUT WAS THERE A STATE LAW ABOUT DISTANCES.
AND I CONTACTED RICHARD AND THERE THERE IS UH, THREE FEET.
MM-HMM
ANYHOW, HE SAID THAT HE HAD SEEN SIGNS PLACES AND UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SIGNS LIKE THAT ANYWHERE IN BRENTWOOD? GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING WITHOUT BIKE LANES.
UH, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T ANY ON SOME STREETS, BUT PEOPLE ARE OUT RIDING THEIR BIKES.
UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, YOU DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY? THERE ARE SEVERAL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT I'VE SEEN PROBABLY OUT STATE DON'T HAVE ANY OF BRENTWOOD.
WELL, I'VE WONDERED IF WE WOULD BE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE IN PUTTING SOME OF THOSE UP.
UH, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING IT UP AT A CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND GET, OR IF WE GET A CONSENSUS HERE OR HOWEVER WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT.
BUT I, I THINK IF THERE IS A LAW LIKE THAT, THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE SIGNS UP INDICATING IT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD WANT TO DECIDE WHAT ROUTES LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE FOR BIKES, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY THOSE KIND OF AREAS I'M SUGGESTING ALL OVER TOWN.
THE SECTION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAIL.
WELL I THINK OUR BIKE GROUP COULD PROBABLY GIVE US A LOT OF GOOD ADVICE ON WILSON BIKE.
I GUESS WILSON BIKE STATE ROAD.
CAN WE PUT SIGNS UP ON IT? YEAH.
AS THE STATE ROAD BECAUSE WE PUT SIGNS UP.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE BIKE ON WILSON BIKE.
I THINK WE COULD IN THAT REGARD, BUT THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN AND CAN.
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD FIGHT THAT IF IT WAS A TRAFFIC REGULATION CONTROL THING.
THAT'S ONE THING I THINK THE ADVISORY SIGNS WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE SURE.
'CAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS TDOT SAYS, WELL WE DON'T, WE DON'T USE THAT SIGN ON OUR ROUTES OR ANYTHING.
IS THIS A SITUATION ON BEL RIE THAT A DISTRICT, I MEAN YOU, YOU
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TOLD ME KIND OF WHAT THEY RECITED WITH, BUT WERE THEY DISTRACTED DIVING, DRIVING OR THEY JUST DIDN'T MOVE OVER FAR ENOUGH? THE THE REPORT SAYS THAT THEY DIDN'T MOVE OVER FAR ENOUGH AND CLIPPED THE HANDLEBARS.AND, AND THE DRIVER STATED THEY NEVER SAW THE RIDER.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIDER WAS WEARING.
IT WAS CERTAINLY MIDDLE OF THE DAY ON A SUNNY DAY.
SO, UH, BUT, BUT THIS PERSON IS A VIKING ADVOCATE AND WE ALL KNOW THEM AND HE JUST, I GUESS THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THOSE SIGNS WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ALERTING PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY'RE PASSING THEY NEED TO KEEP AT LEAST A THREE FOOT DISTANCE.
SO ANYHOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PROCEED? DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING? AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T IN YOUR BUDGET, BUT WELL IF YOU, IF IF THERE'S AN A A SUPPORT FOR, LET US LOOK AT OUR, OUR STREET MAP AND JUST TRY TO MAYBE IDENTIFY WHERE WE THINK THE, THE, THE RIGHT CORRIDORS WOULD BE.
KIND OF BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND THEN GO FROM THERE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
IT FEELS LIKE THE LEAST WE COULD DO IN THE MEANTIME.
COULD CHARLES DO SOME SORT OF SOCIAL MEDIA BLITZ JUST AS A REMINDER FOR OUR RESIDENTS? YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THAT FOR THE TRAILS RECENTLY AND SURE.
THREE FOOT RULE, I'M, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME EXAMPLES OUT THERE.
THE TOOL AND ALSO THAT BIKES HAVE A RIGHT TO THE ROAD AS MUCH AS A, JUST A REMI A VEHICLE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE POINT SOMETHING OUT.
I'M TOTALLY A BIKING ADVOCATE, EVEN NOT FOR ME PERSONALLY, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ENJOY IT.
BUT BIKERS ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.
NOTHING MAKES ME ANGRIER THAN TO HAVE A BIKER IN FRONT OF ME THAT COMES TO A STOP SIGN AND THEY GO RIGHT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND I'M STOPPING NOW.
WHY DO THEY NOT HAVE TO OBEY THAT RULE? RIGHT.
WE ARE ALL EXPECTED TO OBEY THE LAW AND THE RULES AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO PROMOTE.
THEY DO, YOU GOTTA HAVE SAFE BIKING ON BIKERS, THEIR CLOTHING AND DRIVER'S PARTS.
SOMETIMES THE CLOTHING LITERALLY BLENDS INTO THE TOPOGRAPHY AND IT IS HARDER TO SEE 'EM.
SO WHERE LIKE I BIKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I ALWAYS WORE LIKE ONE OF THOSE REFLECTIVE, I HAD A BIKER OUTFIT BUT I WORE A CONSTRUCTION LIKE TYPE VEST.
I USED TO DO THAT WHEN I RAN IN THE MORNING WHEN IT WOULD BE DARK JUST AS AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT DRIVER'S THINKING ABOUT.
IN FACT, THEY'RE USUALLY NOT THINKING ABOUT YOU AND THEY USUALLY ARE UPON YOU BEFORE THEY EVEN REALIZE YOU'RE THERE.
SO, SO REFLECT AS MUCH REFLECTION IN THE LITTLE BLINKING LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING.
I GUESS CHARLES, IF YOU ADDRESS THIS, YOU GOTTA, YOU'VE GOTTA RESEARCH JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE DONE SOMETHING OUT.
LET US MAYBE IDENTIFY, AND AGAIN, WE'D BE LOOKING FOR MORE MAJOR CORRIDORS WHERE MAYBE YOU'VE GOTTA A BIKE SOMETHING ON ONE END BUT NOT THE OTHER END, WHICH IS CONDUCIVE TO MORE TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
I'M SURE YOU, BELL RE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THOUGH, WHERE THE BIKE LINE KIND OF PETERS OUT.
WE GOT THAT CONNECTION ON THE OTHER END OF THE PARK.
UM, WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO THE HOA UH, AND REMIND THEM THAT IF, IF THE SPEED TABLE ISSUE IS SOMETHING THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, THAT THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM.
WE TALKED ABOUT SPEED HUMPS THAT DOESN'T WORK ON THAT SPEED TABLE THING IS SO, UM, WELL YOU WANNA INITIATE THAT OR, OR WHETHER YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO INITIATE IT YOURSELVES, BUT USUALLY WE WOULD START WITH THE HOA DID DID YOU SEND OUT A COPY OF THAT REPORT OR ANYTHING? BUT I CAN, I MEAN I, I, YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING IN IT.
I MEAN IT'S PUBLIC RECORD OR SOMETHING.
WE'LL I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
BUT AGAIN, THE DRIVER SAID THAT HE DIDN'T, DIDN'T SEE, WHICH WOULD TEND TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME DISTRACTION BUT IT WAS CITED, THE DRIVER WAS CITED FOR FAILURE OR FOR MAINTAINED DUE CARE OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT.
AND LUCKILY THE PERSON HIT SEEMS TO BE DOING OKAY AFTER A NIGHT IN THE HOSPITAL.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S THAT THINGS ARE OKAY TODAY, UM, FRACTURED VERTEBRAE AND AN EYE EXAM IS CONCUSSION AND AN EYE EXAM IS STILL NEEDED.
UH, MOVING ALONG OLD BUSINESS, YOU GOT THE, UH, THE APPOINTMENTS ONE MEMBER TO THE BBCA FOR THE ARCHITECT, UH, CATEGORY AND THEN THE ONE MEMBER TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD THAT WERE, THOSE WERE THE TIES FROM LAST TIME.
ONE ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS THEN IS OUR RENEWAL OF OUR SEWER TREATMENT CONTRACT WITH METRO NASHVILLE.
UM, THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR, UH, RENEWAL TERM.
UM, WE DID IT IN 2014, RENEWED IN 2019.
JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND AND CHRIS CAN FILL ME IN HERE.
WE ARE ONE OF SEVERAL, I DON'T KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN OTHERS, UH, ENTITIES AROUND NASHVILLE THAT ARE ALL CONNECTED AND ARE CONSIDERED WHOLESALE SEWER TREATMENT CUSTOMERS OF NASHVILLE.
SO THAT PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS, IS GENERALLY ASSESSED, ANALYZED, AND CALCULATED THE SAME FOR
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ALL OF US IN TERMS OF OUR PERCENTAGE OF FLOW AND OPERATING COSTS AND ALL OF THAT.AND SO THERE'S A, THIS YEAR'S, UH, THE RENEWAL OF THIS AND THE, AND THE, UH, STUDY OF THAT.
AND SO WE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREE ON A CONSULTANT WHO COMES IN AND DOES THAT STUDY, PRESENTS IT.
UH, SO FOR OUR BASE UH, TREATMENT CHARGES TO METRO, THERE'S ABOUT A 6% INCREASE.
UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE PAYING $2 AND 5 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND THAT GOES UP TO $2 AND 17 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
UH, AND THAT WILL BE SEEN, UH, ON THE, THE SEWER TREATMENT SURCHARGE ON OUR BILLS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE SEWER CUSTOMERS.
'CAUSE OUR RATES DON'T CHANGE WHEN THIS DOES.
UM, WE ARE UNIQUE AMONG THOSE SATELLITE OR OTHER CITIES IN THAT WE ACTUALLY, OUR SYSTEM TRANSPORTS SOME OF METRO'S FLOW OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.
SO THE UNIQUE PART OF THAT FOR US VERSUS THE OTHERS IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TRANS CALCULATE THE RATE.
WE ESSENTIALLY CHARGE METRO FOR CARRYING PART OF THEIR FLOW FOR PART OF OUR SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S THE WHAT'S CALLED THE TRANSPORT RATE.
AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF UH, OF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR FLOW TO THAT PUMP STATION VERSUS OUR OVERALL SYSTEM FLOW.
AND I THINK IT'S 13 SOMETHING PERCENT OR SO, CURRENTLY 13%.
SO THEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OPERATING AND MA AND MAINTENANCE COST FOR OUR SYSTEM, OUR CAPITAL COSTS, COST OF MONEY AND ALL THAT.
AND THAT ALL GETS FACTORED INTO A, A CALCULATION OF A TRANSPORT RATE THAT ESSENTIALLY WE GET CREDITED BACK ON OUR BILL FOR THAT FROM METRO.
AND BECAUSE OF THE LARGE CAPITAL, UH, COST OF THE NEW TANK, THAT HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN OUR FAVOR.
IT'S GOING FROM 57 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS TO A DOLLAR, THREE PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
THAT TRANSPORT RATE THAT GETS CREDITED BACK ON OUR BILL TO METRO BECAUSE OF THEIR INCREASE IN GOING FROM 8.48 TO 13.
LIKE THEY'RE GIVING US MORE WELL THAT PLUS OF THEIRS PLUS OUR, OUR COSTS.
BECAUSE OF THAT LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE PLUS A HIGHER BASE, YOU'RE CALCULATING USING THAT PERCENTAGE TO CALCULATE AGAINST TOGETHER EQUATES TO THAT IMPACT.
I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DO WE GET MORE CREDIT FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING US MORE OF THEIR WASTE? YEAH.
WELL I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GIVING US MORE, THEIR WASTE EQUATES TO A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL FLOW.
WHICH COULD BE BECAUSE OUR FLOW THROUGH REHAB IS LOWER, SO AS A PERCENTAGE THEIRS IS HIGHER, WHETHER IT'S A HIGHER AMOUNT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY, GOT IT.
SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THEIR FLOW.
IF OUR TOTAL FLOW IS DECREASED, THEN THAT PERCENTAGE THERE'S INCREASES.
SO HIGHER PERCENTAGE AND A HIGHER NUMBER, YOU'RE PICKING A PERCENTAGE AND MULTIPLYING IT BY ESSENTIALLY THAT.
SO FOR WHEN WE GET A BILL, IT'S THE, THE TWO 17 PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A CREDIT, KAREN IS HOW IT GOES THERE IS FOR THE TRANSPORT RATE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO O OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE AGREEMENT, RIGHT CHRIS? CORRECT.
SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS JUST BECAUSE THIS CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING TO RESIDENTS WHO ARE LEARNING ABOUT IT.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT OF ALL OF OUR SEWER THAT WE PUMP TO NASHVILLE, WE TAKE 13% OF THAT IS NASHVILLE SEWER.
SO OF ALL THE SEWER WE PUMPED TO NASHVILLE, WHAT'S MY MATH ON THAT AT 87? SEVEN SEVEN, 6%.
UM, IS BRENTWOOD SEWER 13 IS NASHVILLE? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHARGE METRO FOR THAT TRANSPORTATION.
SO OUR TOTAL BILL WOULD IS LESS BECAUSE OF THAT TREND, THAT CREDIT BACK FOR THE, THAT PART OF IT THAT FLOWS THROUGH OUR, THEIR SEWAGE THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT FOR THE AGENDA.
UM, A COUPLE QUICK THINGS AND THEN WE WILL MAYBE TAKE A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK AND THEN SMYRNA UH, SUMMER CONCERT DATES.
CHARLES JUST WANTED TO THROW THESE OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ANY, ANY ISSUES WITH THIS.
UM, HE WANTED TO CHANGE 4TH OF JULY TO SATURDAY, BUT WE WOULDN'T LET HIM SO NO, BUT UM, DATES THEY'RE PRINT FEST AND CONSTRUCT TWO ARE THE SAME DATE.
SO THREE WEEKS IN A ROW IN JUNE, TAKE A WEEK OFF THE FOURTH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT I THINK WITH MORE OR LESS THIS YEAR'S SCHEDULE.
IS THAT HARDER TO STAFF FOR PARKS DEPARTMENT, ALL THAT WITH SO MANY WEEKENDS IN THE ROAD? I THINK DAVE PREFERS HAVING THAT JULY OFF RIGHT.
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AND VACATION IN YOUR YEAH.YOU'D RATHER HAVE IT CONCENTRATED LIKE THAT.
WE, IT JUST START MAY WE USED TO START IN MAY AND THEN WE'D I'D GO INTO MID JULY AND YEAH, EVEN 20TH OR 25TH OF JULY SOMETIME.
SO, SO WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT OTHERWISE.
I I THINK WE'RE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SECURE THE SAME BAND FOR THE FOURTH OR UH, YEAH, KEITH'S WORKING WITH HIM RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THEY'RE GREAT.
YEAH, FROM THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, THAT'S THE ONE MARKOFF FOR RED, WHITE AND BOOM.
AND NOW A LOT OF THESE BANDS BOOK A YEAR OUT.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WANTS TO START GETTING SOLICITING BANDS FOR THE OTHER THREE.
NO, AND I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU KEEP THOSE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, PEOPLE THAT GO ON VACATION WILL MISS TWO OF THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MISS AT FIRST.
THEY GO OUT OF TOWN ON SATURDAY MORNING, DON'T COME BACK TO THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY.
A LOT OF 'EM DON'T GO TO THE CONCERT.
AND HISTORICALLY, AND THAT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS WHEN WE USED TO CARRY 'EM ON INTO THE JULY, YOU, YOU HAD VERY LOW ATTENDANCE.
I KNOW MAYBE THAT'S MORE WEATHER THAN ANYTHING TOO.
SO MAY ALSO, SOMETIMES IT'D BE A CHILLY NIGHT AND YEAH, IT'D BE LIKE, AND IT'S BEFORE STILL SCHOOL.
UH, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL THAT'S FINE.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST STATING THAT JUST UH, UM, THE OCTOBER MEETING DATE WITH UH, GPS SO REMEMBER BRETT WILL BE HERE SEPTEMBER 19TH TO GO OVER THE, ALL THE APPLICANTS AND HELP YOU PICK A SEMI SEMI-FINALIST GROUP.
HE WILL THEN GO BACK, DO THE VIDEO INTERVIEWS AND, AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE SEMI-FINALISTS AND THEN HAD PLANNED TO BE BACK HERE.
HIS ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WAS THE SECOND WEEK OF OCTOBER.
SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER AND HAD, AND HAD PICKED TENTATIVELY I THINK ON OCTOBER 3RD DATE.
BUT I BELIEVE BOTH COMMISSIONER TRAVIS AND COMMISSIONER ANDREWS HAVE CONFLICTS WITH THAT DATE.
I ASKED BRETT WHAT OTHER DATES THAT WEEK WOULD WORK FOR HIM.
THE TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY, THE FIRST OR SECOND WOULD WORK FOR HIM, BUT MONDAY WOULD NOT, AND HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT FRIDAY.
SO I IMPLIED THAT THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T EITHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRST OR SECOND IS, IS A TUESDAY DOES WORK NOW I'M, I'M BE TAKING A CLASS EVERY TUESDAY AND THURSDAY FOR NINE WEEKS STARTING SEPTEMBER.
SO WEDNESDAY SECOND, WEDNESDAY THE SECOND.
AND WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON THE TIME IF THAT HELPS.
I MEAN, MORNINGS BETTER FOR ME ON WEDNESDAY IF POSSIBLE.
I LIKE MORNING, I'M SORRY, MORNING SPAN.
WEDNESDAY AT JUST NINE O'CLOCK INTO MY FISCAL WEEK.
SO WHAT'S UP MY PAYROLL AND ALL THAT.
WHAT'S THE BALLPARK LENGTH OF TIME THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE
NOW AGAIN, YOU WILL HAVE, HE WILL, HE WILL PROVIDE YOU, IT MAY NOT BE TILL THAT MONDAY NOW BE UM, BUT A KIND OF A, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OF HIS ASSESSMENT OF THE CANDIDATES INTO THE THREE GROUPS I THINK OF A DOESN'T MEET MEETS BUT REALLY NOT THE BEST AND THEN WHAT HE THINKS ARE THE BEST.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW QUICKLY YOU ALL KIND OF COALESCE AROUND A, IT MAY BE EASIER TO COALESCE QUICKLY AROUND A LARGER GROUP.
OBVIOUSLY 10 OR 12 VERSUS TWO OR THREE I THIS GONNA WORK.
AND ARE WE TO COMMENT OR WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, ARE WE WRITING DOWN TO SCORING THOSE LITTLE SHEETS THAT HE'S GIVEN US? HOW DOES THIS WORK? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS PROCESS IS, BUT IT'S, I'D LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE I GET IN THERE.
I I THINK BUT I MEAN IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO KNOW WHAT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE, HE WILL ASK YOU TO, OKAY, HERE'S, LET'S TAKE AN INITIAL BALLOT AND THERE'S ALL SEVEN OF YOU LIKE THESE SIX PEOPLE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAINLY IN AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE LAST FIVE OR I DON'T, I'LL ASK HIM TO EXPLAIN THAT.
I, I MEAN I WANT TO BE VERY HONEST ABOUT WHO I LIKE AND DON'T WANT, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TRASH ANYBODY ON TV.
BY I MEAN YOU, THAT'S NOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELEVISE IT OR VIDEO IT.
IF I'M WRONG THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW PUBLIC HOLD TO, TO BE BE DISCUSSED.
IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING SO ANYBODY CAN COME AND LISTEN.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT VIDEOED AND YOU DON'T WANT IT AVAILABLE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT PART OF IT.
I THOUGHT I HAD SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HE GAVE US THOSE SHEETS WHERE YOU, YOU I THOUGHT THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY PRESENT SOMETHING AND THEN WE WOULD GRADE OUR LITTLE SHEETS AND PASS THEM IN.
I MEAN I DON'T, BUT I'D LIKE KNOW.
I'LL ASK, I'LL ASK HIM IF HE CAN KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT HIS NORMAL PROCESS IS.
OBVIOUSLY HE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
WELL SOMETIMES THOUGH, THE, THE ORDER CHANGES, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT AND IT LOOKS GOOD AND THEN YOU GIVE HIM A HIGH MARK THEN THE NEXT GUY'S
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BETTER AND YOU IT.BUT AGAIN, YOU ALL WILL HAVE SOME INFORMATION BEFORE, BEFORE THAT MEETING TO DO YOUR OWN KIND OF SCORING AND RANKING ON YOUR OWN.
AND THEN AS FAR AS HIS PROCESS TO GET YOU ALL TO SEE IF YOU COALESCE TOGETHER, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
I'D LIKE TO THINK THROUGH, UM, WHETHER WE TELEVISE IT OR NOT.
WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT TILL THE DAY BEFORE.
BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RECORD IT IF WE CHOSE NOT TO MAKE IT LIVE? COULD WE RECORD IT AND HAVE IT FOR OUR OWN REFERENCE LATER INTERNALLY? YEAH.
NOW IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE ASKED FOR THAT RECORDING THEY WOULD HAVE GET IT BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE OR LIVE STREAMED OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I JUST WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THE, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
YEAH, THAT'S UP TO YOU IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO COME TO THE MEETING.
SO I JUST NEED TO THINK THROUGH THAT.
THE CHALLENGE OF THAT, OF OF DOING IT THE WAY WE NORMALLY WOULD, WHICH IS LIVE STREAMING IT AND POSTING IT SOMEWHERE IS ALL THE CANDIDATES COME.
SO THAT TO ME WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF, OF NOT POSTING IT.
BUT YOU CERTAINLY COULD RECORD IT.
JUST NO, I DON'T THINK A CANDIDATE'S GONNA DO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING CAN MEET IN A BUNK OR SOMEWHERE AND DO IT
CAN WE JUST SAYING, ARE WE DECIDING WE'RE LOCKING IN WEDNESDAY THE SECOND? ON THE SECOND.
IS THAT I NEED TO KNOW 'CAUSE I GOTTA MOVE SOMETHING.
LEMME JUST CHECK SOMETHING THINKING, LEMME JUST CHECK ONE THING HERE TO MAKE SURE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DO IT EARLIER, YOU CAN DO IT LATER, WHATEVER.
I MEAN TIMEWISE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO ANYTHING.
DO WE WANNA DO IT AT EIGHT 32ND? I MEAN I'M FINE.
I JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL MOVING IT UP TO DATE, BUT I, I WOULD THINK AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS JUST IS WHAT I WOULD BLOCK OFF.
I JUST GOTTA MOVE SOMETHING ELSE.
IF YOU START AT EIGHT 30, IT GIVES US A LITTLE BUFFER TO BE DONE BY LUNCH.
ANY RAY OR ANN IS THAT BETTER FOR I, I'LL BE READY AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING IF
SO WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, 8:30 AM COVERS THE STUFF EXACTLY IN THIS ROOM.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO DECIDE OKAY, GOOD.
HOW WE VIDEO BUT DON'T LIVE STREAM AND DON'T POST, UM, IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
I'LL LET HIM KNOW THAT AND I'LL ASK HIM TO, IF HE CAN MAYBE IN HIS WEEKLY UPDATE TO YOU KIND OF OVERVIEW WHAT HIS FACILITATION PROCESS WILL BE ON THAT MEETING.
UM, IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THE SIGNAGE SITUATION, SCHOOL BANNER SIGN? SO I'VE HEARD FROM ALL BUT ONE OF YOU, UM, ALL THE ONES I'VE HEARD FROM ARE KIND OF LIKE, WELL I HATE TO JUST PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE CURRENT PTO EFFORT.
UM, UH, AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN MONEY FOR THOSE AND SO I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AND OTHERS WERE KIND OF LIKE, BUT WE NEED TO ENFORCE IT KIND OF GOING FORWARD.
A FEW OF YOU WERE KIND LIKE MAYBE WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MORE DISCUSSION THERE.
UM, WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE JUST PRUDENT AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND NOTIFY THE PTOS THAT DON'T RENEW ANYTHING FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT OR BUILD A FENCE, BUT, BUT TODAY OR DON'T BUILD A NEW FENCE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANYTHING NEW COMING UP FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THEM.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU TAKE 'EM DOWN RIGHT NOW.
BUT DON'T START MARKETING AND RENEWING AND OR ADDING OR ADDING AND THEN WE MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE THE CODE TO PROVIDE SOME ALLOWANCE GOING FORWARD.
WE'LL OBVIOUSLY KEEP YOU INFORMED THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IF THAT'S CAN WE ALSO ADVISE THE PRINCIPALS? WELL I THINK WE WOULD ADVISE THE PRINCIPALS NOT JUST THE PTO TO AND LET THEM COMMUNICATE WITH THE PT 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE CONTROLLER OF THE, THAT WOULD BE BEST.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE THE FACILITY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE BASEBALL INTERIOR SIGNS OF THAT THE ATHLETIC FIELD SIGNS ARE ALREADY COVERED AS AN OR FOOTBALL OR JUST, JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT ACCIDENTALLY BECAUSE BASEBALL ONLY LEANS ON THAT A SOCCER COMMERCIAL BANNERS HANGING ON FENCES ALONG OUR, ALONG THE ROAD AND THAT KIND OF, AND INTERNAL, UH, ATHLETIC SIGNS ARE ALREADY COVERED IN THE CODE AS AN ALLOWED USE.
AND IF THEY TOOK ALL THE SIGNS THAT FACE THE ROAD, LET'S SAY SIGNS THAT FACE CONCORD HUNG 'EM ON THE SAME FENCE AND TURNED THEM IN, WOULD THAT CURRENTLY BE ALLOWED? TECHNICALLY NO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE AS WORRIED ABOUT
THEY, AND THE UH, OUR CODE AS WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, ALLOWS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME ALLOWANCE, UM, FOR SI DISTRICTS.
SO YEAH, I THINK IT DOES ALLOW, UH, NON-COMMERCIAL TWO OR CORRECT INCLUDING
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EVENTS LIKE BRENTWOOD ACADEMY GENERALLY IS A COUPLE PUTS THEIR EVENTS.IT'S NOT A THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IT'S NOT WHERE ON A, ON YOUR PRIVATE, YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT IF THEY TURNED IT AROUND, COULD THEY SAY, WELL THAT'S JUST A PRIVACY SCREEN.
YOU'RE ONLY SEEING THE BACK OF THE WHITE SIGN.
I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO.
I'M JUST, I THINK FOR NOW I'D RATHER JUST SAY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.
AND DON'T WHAT, DON'T MAKE ANY FUTURE PROMISES.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER YOU.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ADDITIONS YEP.
AND THAT GIVES Y'ALL SOME TIME TO SEE WHETHER YOU REALLY WANNA JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT.
SO COME JULY 31ST, NEXT YEAR THEY'RE GONE OR WE'RE GONNA AMEND THE CODE AND HERE'S THE LIMITS OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE, GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE TIME IF THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL AT LEAST COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE PRINCIPALS.
AND THEN IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T FALL OFF THE RADAR BECAUSE THOSE PTOS WILL WANT TO REDIRECT THEIR EFFORTS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT.
THEY MAY HAVE TO PLAN FUNDRAISING.
UM, OLD SMYRNA, WE GOT DICKIE AND I HERE.
DO WE NEED LIKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL GET HIM HERE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THE DISCUSSION OF OLD SMYRNA.
DICK, YOU PROBABLY GO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE MOVING FORWARD WITH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS A OR BA WAS IT A, WITH THE TWO, TWO LANES TO THE NORTH? UM, SO DICKY'S AGREED TO COME BACK AND, AND HAVE A, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WITH YOU, TRY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ONE, I'M SORRY.
AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY WAY TO MITIGATE THOSE AND STILL STAY WITH IT OR THE IDEA OF, OF BOULEVARD IN IT, UM, LET YOU UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD WORK, WHAT HIM HERE, IF YOU, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THERE.
AND SECONDLY, THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, AND WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS AND WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT FORMAT TO LOOK LIKE IF THE FIRST ONE WE DID WASN'T SUFFICIENT? IS THAT MM-HMM.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THOSE HOPEFULLY FAIRLY QUICKLY AND JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, DEREK CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE WANT YOU TO LOOK AT CAN, WHEN CAN YOU COME IN? AND I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER, SO WE SET A MEETING DATE.
SO THEN I JUST GO THROUGH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH WHAT I LOOK AT BEFORE I HAVE THAT FIRST MEETING AND IT EXPLAINS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WENT ON.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, HE TOLD ME WHAT THE PROJECT WAS AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS ROAD FOR A LONG TIME,
SO WHAT I DID IS I PULLED THE PROPERTY MAPS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, NOW THIS IS JUST HALF THE PROJECT.
THIS IS, OR THE FIRST PROJECT.
AND YOU HAVE THE, THE EAST PROJECT TOO.
YEAH, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, I THINK WE'RE FOCUSED ON JUST THIS SEGMENT.
YEAH, JUST THE WEST PHASE ONE.
SO I'LL LOOK AND SEE HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY THEY ALREADY HAVE AND I WAS ACTUALLY SHOCKED.
UH, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF SETTING ASIDE RIGHT AWAY.
SO I LOOK AT THIS AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE IS EXISTING RIGHT AWAY, AND THE YELLOW IS WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE.
SO THEY HAVE 13.4 ACRES OF EXISTING RIGHT AWAY, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO BUY 1.3 APPROXIMATELY.
AGAIN, WE'RE STILL AT, AT A HIGH PLANNING LEVEL, SO WE STILL HAVE TO DO DESIGN TO NARROW THAT DOWN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT 1.3 FROM TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS TOTAL, TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS TOTAL 1.3.
SO THEN I'LL LOOK UP THE ROAD CLASSIFICATION.
SO THIS IS OFF YOUR GIS AND AGAIN, THIS IS SET THROUGH PLANNING PROCESSES, UM, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, THAT, THAT I DON'T DO THAT.
IT'S LIKE, I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW BOB MURPHY, HIS GUYS DID A LOT OF THIS STUFF A LONG TIME AGO.
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SO I LOOKED THIS UP AND IT'S AN ARTERIAL ROUTE.SO THEN I SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE CITY'S ARTERIAL STANDARDS AND WHAT'S RELEVANT HERE? YOU KNOW, IT HAS, UM, WE USE A LOT OF THE AASHTO STANDARDS.
IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, 7% MAX GRADE, UH, 35 TO 40 MILE AN HOUR DESIGN SPEEDS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S DEFINITION OF AN ARTERIAL, THE, THE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE, IT'S RELATIVELY FAST TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S WHAT AN ARTERIAL, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH AN ARTERIAL PER THE CITY SUBDIVISION RACKS.
AND, UM, THE OTHER ARTERIALS AROUND HERE, LIKE, UM, UH, SPLIT LOG ROAD AND SUNSET ROAD, WE'VE, WE POST 'EM AT 35, BUT WE USUALLY TRY TO DESIGN IT BETWEEN 35 AND 40 MILE AN HOUR.
SO THOSE ARE DESIGNED, UH, NATIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE SET HOW YOU, HOW YOU WOULD DO A ROAD AT THAT DESIGN SPEED.
THEN I LOOKED AT, UH, FROM THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL SMYRNA ROAD UP HERE IS IN GREEN ON THE LEFT GREEN DASH AND GREEN DASH MEANS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT WITH MUP, WHICH IS A MULTI-USE PATH.
AND IT SHOWS THAT GOING ALL THE WAY, UH, FROM THE CITY LIMITS ALL THE WAY, UH, TO CONCORD ROAD.
AND THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU CROSSING THE INTERSTATE WILSON PIKE, I MEAN WILSON PIKE.
UM, SO AGAIN, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WHEN I GO TO THIS MEETING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST BEING AROUND THIS, I KNOW THAT USING THE EXISTING ROAD IS AN OPTION.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU GUYS SEE NO.
SO UP HERE THAT SAYS 40, 40 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS, AND THAT'S 50, 60 AND ON UP.
SO WE WOULD, AND THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THE ROAD IS THIS COLUMN.
SO YOU BASICALLY COME OVER HERE AND THESE ARE FOR SLOPES.
IF YOU HAVE SIX TO ONE SLOPES OUTSIDE THE ROAD, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU HAVE FOUR TO FIVE TO ONE.
AND IF IT'S THREE TO ONE, THEN YOU ACTUALLY, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A CHART THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH CLEAR AREA YOU NEED OUTSIDE OF YOUR TRAVEL LANE, LIKE THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.
ALRIGHT? SO, UM, FOR 40 MILE AN HOUR ROAD, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL, WE WOULD DESIGN IT TO THIS 40 MILE AN HOUR OR LESS TRAFFIC RANGE.
IF YOU CAN GET A FOUR ONE, SO YOU CAN SEE THREE FEET, RIGHT? OR THREE TO ONE REFERS YOU DOWN HERE.
AND THAT BASICALLY SAYS IF YOU HAVE A THREE TO ONE SLOPE, YOU, YOU COUNT THAT, THAT 14 TO 16 FEET, ONCE YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SLOPE, YOU GOTTA GO ANOTHER 14 TO 16 FEET.
'CAUSE YOU CANNOT RECOVER IN THE THREE TO ONE SLOPE.
AND WHEN HE IS TALKING SLOPES, LIKE WHAT DO YOU 14 FEET FOR? FOR THE WIDTH OR YES.
SO NO TREES OR, OR THAT KIND OF AREA.
AROUND IN THEY'RE EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO, UH, BUT IF YOU'RE DESIGN DESIGNING A ROAD, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DESIGN TO.
UM, SO LIKE IF TDOT CAME IN AND TOUCHED WILSON PIKE, THEY WOULD DESIGN TO THE STANDARD.
BUT BECAUSE TDOT HASN'T COME BACK IN TO DO WILSON PIKE, THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE WAY IT IS.
IT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHY IT HADN'T HAPPENED.
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO THE ROAD CHARACTER.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE IN AND DONE TURN LANES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT SHOULDERS WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ADD SOME SHOULDERS TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
WELL SEE, WHEN YOU STARTED THIS, YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT THERE'S AN ARTERIAL ROAD.
SO OUR ARTERIAL ROADS ARE 40, 30, 40 MILES AN HOUR.
AND WE USUALLY POST 'EM AT 40.
WE TRY TO DESIGN 'EM AT 40 IF WE CAN, BUT WE'LL GO DOWN TO 35.
BUT WHAT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN ARTERIAL ROAD OR CAN WE SAY IT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL? WE ALREADY SAID IT.
IF WE LOOK AT WHAT YOU, WELL, YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN READ, I MEAN YOU CAN DEFINE THE ROADS, HOW YOU WANT TO DEFINE 'EM.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT WAS DONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A PLANNING PROCESS.
AND THAT WAS DONE HOW MANY YEARS AGO? WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, I MEAN IT'S WAS UPDATED WHEN WE DID THE 20.
IT SAYS 2040 ON THIS THING, BUT THE 2030 PLAN, SO THAT'S, THIS IS FROM THE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO.
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THIS IS FROM THE 2030 PLAN.THIS WAS PROJECTS PLANNED ON 23RD.
MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR PROJECT PLAN.
THIS WAS JUST A, UM, THE PROJECTS FROM THE 2030 PLAN THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE DONE BY 2040, I GUESS, DIDN'T YOU SAY WHILE AGO THE FIRST TIME WAS IN 2009 AND THEN IT WAS 2021 WHEN IT WAS REAFFIRMED A ARTERIAL.
WAS THAT NOT WHAT YOU HAD ON THE EARLIER SLIDE? NO, IT'S BEEN AN ARTERIAL FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, BUT I MEAN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU HAVE THAT, THAT INFORMATION UP THERE WHILE IT GOT LOCKED UP.
IF YOU GO BACK IT WAS MAYBE ONE THIS WAS UM, YEAH, GO BACK.
WELL THAT FORWARD ONE, SEE THOSE DATES ARE JUST THE EFFECTIVE DATES OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THAT'S NOT THIS DESIGNATION ADOPTED 2000.
THIS IS JUST THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
BUT THAT WAS OF THOSE, WASN'T IT, NOT CALLING IT ARTERIAL.
THAT'S IN THE DESIGNATION OF ROADS AS ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS IS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I'M GONNA INTERJECT SOMETHING 'CAUSE I'M AFRAID IT AFFECTS WHERE YOU'RE HEADING WITH THIS.
YOU CAN DESIGNATE A ROADS CLASSIFICATION IF YOU LIKE OR RECLASSIFY A ROAD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THE ROAD CONTINUES TO FUNCTION AS IT WAS DESIGNED.
AND THE DESIGN OF THE ROAD FOR AN ARTERIAL IS TO YOU, YOU LIKE THE BLOOD SYSTEM, YOU PULL IT FROM THE CAPILLARIES, THE LOCAL ROADS, AND THEN YOU PUT IT INTO COLLECTORS AND THEN YOU PUT IT INTO THE ARTERIES, THE ARTERIALS, AND YOU COULD RECLASSIFY AN ARTERIAL AS SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT IF IT STILL FUNCTIONS AS AN ARTERIAL, YOU'RE JUST CALLING IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO YOU SAYING, I HEAR YOU LYING IN THE KITTY CAT IS STILL A LION.
UM, JONES PARKWAY WAS CONTEMPLATED TO CONNECT, UH, AS WAS GREEN HILL BOULEVARD.
AND THOSE ARE COLLECTORS THAT, UM, WOULD FEED INTO THIS ROAD.
SO THIS WAS, I THINK PROBABLY FIRST DONE AS AN ARTERIAL.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION AT ONE TIME, YOU WOULD WANT TO CONNECT IT RIGHT HERE AND THEN BRING IT ACROSS.
SO THAT WOULD HOLT ROAD, THAT WOULD TAKE IT ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UM, TO KNOWN ROAD HOSPITAL.
SO THAT MAKES IT A PRETTY STRAIGHT CUT THROUGH.
IF YOU LOOK YOU UM, THIS WOULD BE AN ARTERIAL, UH, EAST WEST.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS CONCORD ROAD.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING FROM A PLANTER STANDPOINT THAT THEY THOUGHT A, UH, ANOTHER ARTERIAL NEEDED TO BE IN HERE, ANOTHER EAST WEST ARTERIAL YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO.
OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN'T HAPPEN NOW 'CAUSE THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS, THAT'S WHY THIS GOT REROUTED BACK TO THE EXISTING ROUTE.
SO IT WAS CALLED ARTERIAL IN THE HOPES OF CONNECTING IT, BUT BY DEFINITION WE'RE SAYING ARTERIAL IS DEFINED AS RELATIVELY FAST.
WELL I THINK IT WAS DESIGNATED ARTERIAL.
'CAUSE IT IT HAD THAT FUNCTION IT CONNECTED TO NORTH SOUTH ARTERIALS, EDMONDSON AND WILSON.
AND IT, BUT IT WASN'T EVER BUILT TO THAT STANDARD.
SO, AND SO WHAT I'M DOING HERE IS KIND OF GETTING, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
SO I DON'T SET THE ROAD AS AN ARTERIAL, BUT WHEN I START YOU HAVE TO START GROWING THAT.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT, I THINK BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH, IT'S WHY WE ENDED UP WHERE WE WERE NOW THAN IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF JONES PARKWAY GOING TO ANNANDALE AND THERE'S A LINE, YOU'VE GOT A RED LIGHT THERE THAT LEADS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY TO OLD HICKORY.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE ART.
AND THAT WAS JUST DEREK'S POINT IS WE CALL IT WHAT WE WANT.
WE STILL GOTTA RECOGNIZE THERE'S A CERTAIN TRAFFIC VOLUME THAT'S GONNA BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT, BECAUSE OF HOW WHAT IT CAN IS AND THIS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING.
BUT, BUT IT IS, AS YOU TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE THE WHOLE POINT.
WHAT'S THE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO INTO ALL THIS DETAIL BETWEEN A COLLECTOR AND AN ARTERIAL, HOW THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE, THEY'RE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE NOT DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
COULD YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COLLECTOR AND AN ARTERIAL? UH, JONES PARKWAY, UM, IS WOULD BE A COLLECTOR.
THIS DIFFERENCE STANDARDS DESIGN, THE STANDARDS DESIGN DESIGN, SAND CLEAR ZONE STANDARD ON ONE.
DO YOU, ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY DOES 'EM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO IN, IN OUR ORDINANCE, A LOCAL ROAD IS, UH, WE REQUIRE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR COLLECTOR.
WE REQUIRE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN FOR THE ARTERIAL ROADS THAT WE'VE DESIGNED, I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT A 77 FOOT
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RIGHT AWAY.AND THAT'S WITH THE THREE 11 FOOT LANES.
AND THEN A BIKE PATH ON ONE SIDE AND A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER.
WE DON'T REALLY QUANTIFY A SET RIGHT AWAY WIDTH FOR AN ARTERIAL, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
AND LIKE THE SLOPE OF THE ROAD, THE GRADE THAT THE ROAD CAN BE.
THOSE ARE, IT'S FLATTER FOR AN ARTERIAL AND YOU CAN BE STEEPER ON THE COLLECTOR AND THEN YOU CAN BE EVEN STEEPER ON THE LOCAL.
SO IT'S JUST, THEY JUST KIND OF INCREMENTALLY GO UP.
SO, UM, SCRATCH, I DON'T KNOW, YOUR DESIGN SPEED ON A COLLECTOR IS, IS IT 30 25? I 25? THEY MAY BE POSTED AT 25, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY 30.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, DESIGN SPEEDS CAN VARY.
SOME OF THE COLLECTORS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AT, UH, 35 AND POSTED 30.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE DO MOST OF THE TIME.
SO IT, IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER LEVEL UP.
UH, I DON'T DO DEVELOPMENT WORK IN, IN, IN THE CITY, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I JUST GIVEN A ROAD AND THIS IS AN ARTERIAL AND I CAN, I CAN GO THROUGH.
AND EVERY CITY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON HOW THEY DO IT AND ALL THAT IS IF YOU'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH BUILDING A ROAD.
SO, UM, SO WHEN I SEE THIS CLEAR ZONE WITH, WITH, UM, WITH THE ROAD THAT'S OUT THERE, I CAN SEE THAT I CAN'T USE THAT EXISTING ROAD AND MEET CURRENT ARTERIAL STANDARDS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART DOWN HERE, SO THIS IS, UH, MINIMUM LATERAL OFFSETS FOR LOW SPEED URBAN ROADS.
SO LOW SPEED IS 40 MILES AN HOUR AND UNDER.
AND THE URBAN ROADS MEANS IT'S GOT CURB OR CURB AND GUTTER.
AND IF YOU LOOK OVER, UM, AGAIN, WE CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS.
BASICALLY, IF YOU HAVE A CURB AND GUTTER, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO CLEAR ZONE.
OKAY? THERE'S NO OFFICIAL CLEAR ZONE.
THEY RECOMMEND FOUR FEET BEHIND THE FACE OF THE CURB.
ALRIGHT? BUT THERE'S TECHNICALLY THERE'S NOT ONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THIS CHART.
SO IT POINTS YOU OVER TO, UM, TO ONE OF THESE LINE ITEMS OVER HERE.
I CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE, BUT, UM, AND THAT JUST SAYS NO CLEAR ZONE.
SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT GOING BACK OVER TO, UM, TO HERE, SO FOR ME TO RUN, AND THIS ALTERNATE B FOR ME TO DO THAT, THIS ROAD HAS TO BE CURB AND GUTTER.
ONE LANE WOULD HAVE TO BE CURB AND GUTTER.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION ON THIS.
UM, THE NEW KIND OF GUTTER THAT YOU DESCRIBED TO THE, TO US WHERE IT KIND OF OVERFLOWS, IS THAT CALLED RIBBON CURB? IS THAT WHAT YOU CALLED THAT? YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT A BARRIER CURB.
SO THAT THAT WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THE, THAT WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THIS STANDARD HERE.
BUT IT'S CALLED A RIBBON CURB.
WHERE IT FLOWS OVER WHERE THAT'S KIND OF A NEW THING THAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE FINDING THAT BETTER FOR STORMWATER AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO ARE YOU SAYING THIS HAD TO BE CURB AND GUTTER BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNED AT A 12 FOOT WIDE ROAD AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH? WELL, IT, IT COULD BE CURB AND GUTTER.
SO IT THAT SIX INCH CURB, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A GUTTER, IT CAN JUST BE A CURB.
I NEED THAT SIX INCH VERTICAL CONCRETE BARRIER TO NOT HAVE THE CLEAR ZONE.
IF, IF WE DID THAT, WE COULD ACTUALLY USE THE EXISTING ROAD.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE CLEAR, BECAUSE THE ROAD IS 12 FEET WIDE, YOUR CLEAR ZONE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT MAKES THE CLEAR ZONE.
NO, IT'S NOT THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S THE CLASS, THE DESIGN SPEED OF THE ROAD.
SO IF YOU GO BACK, LIKE UP HERE, I'M SORRY, THIS IS LONG, THAT SAYS 40 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS.
SO IF IT WAS 50 MILES AN HOUR, WE WOULD USE THIS, THIS ROW OF CHARTS.
SO HERE YOU LOOK UP YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC DATA, HOW MANY CARS PER DAY DOES IT HAVE? AND THEN YOU GO OVER HERE AND YOU FIND YOUR SLOPE, YOUR, UM, YOUR DISTANCE.
SO THAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE FACE OF THE CURB OR THE EDGE, THE WHITE LINE ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, NOT NECESSARILY THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.
WHEREVER THAT WHITE LINE IS, YOU GOTTA GO OVER 14 TO 16 FEET.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY TREES OR ROCK WALLS IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S IF YOU DESIGN IT TO GO 40 MILES AN HOUR, IF YOU DESIGN
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IT TO 40 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS WITHOUT A CURB, NOT A, YEAH.SO HAD THE SIX INCH CURB THAT IF YOU ADD THE SIX INCH CURB, TECHNICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYTHING BEHIND IT, BUT IT RECOMMENDS FOUR FEET.
YOU COULD ADD THE CURB ON THE EXISTING ROAD, NO GUTTER.
AND THEN YOU WOULD JUST PUT OPENINGS.
SO THE WATER COULD GO OUT VERY OFTEN SO IT WOULDN'T CREATE A FLOODING SITUATION.
YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IN STORM SEWER POTENTIALLY.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK IF YOU BREAK THAT CURB TOO MUCH, YOU START LOSING THAT.
SO YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THE LOSING ZERO.
YOU DO HAVE TO COLLECT THE WATER.
YOU CAN'T LET IT ROLL OUT INTO THE NATURAL AREA.
PLUS YOU WOULD GET A LOT OF PONDING ON THE ROAD ON HARD RANGE.
WELL, YOU COULD BUILD IT CROWNED.
WELL, I, I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER SPEARS.
I I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE CURB.
UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN WE START MAKING APPLICATIONS FOR THESE REQUIRED CLEAR ZONE, CLEAR ZONES THAT AREN'T IN LINE WITH WHAT A TYPICAL, TYPICAL CURB AND GUTTER WOULD BE.
SO IF YOU'RE PROVIDING JUST A VERTICAL BARRIER, YOU HAVE NOWHERE FOR YOUR STORM DRAINAGE TO GO.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THESE, I'M ASSUMING CURB CUTS IS WHAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET SO MUCH PONDING AT THOSE AREAS AND THOSE CURB CUTS ARE NOW GONNA BE DIFFERENT OUTLET POINTS ALL THROUGHOUT YOUR ROAD.
AND WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE A DITCH.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AT ALL.
I GUESS I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY, WHY WE CAN'T USE THE EXISTING OLD SMYRNA ROAD AS AN EASTBOUND LANE WITH THE RIBBON CURB AND LET THE WATER, SO A RIBBON CURB, AND MAYBE I'M USING THE WRONG TERM, I'M GONNA CALL IT THAT ROLLOVER WHERE IT JUST FLOWS OVER, DOES NOW.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE ROLLOVER CURB, A CAR CAN MOUNT IT AND BOUNCE OVER IT REALLY FAST.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE SIX INCH CURB, IT USUALLY GUIDES THE CAR BACK INTO THE ROAD.
SO IT'S, THAT'S A MOUNTABLE CURB.
IS WHAT YOU'RE, THAT, THAT LIKE YOU DO IN A SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE ALLOWED IN A SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL CURB.
ACTUALLY WE DON'T ALLOW THEM ANYMORE, BUT WE USED TO, YEAH.
WOULD WITH DESIGNING SOMETHING, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHAT SHE'S SAYING HERE, AND IT, IF IT COULD BE DONE, IT'S A PLUS.
BUT WOULD THAT EVEN BE, ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR SOME KIND OF A, I REMEMBER LIKE WE DIDN'T PUT A STOP SIGN ON HOLLY TRICK OUT ONCE BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD'VE CREATED A LIABILITY ISSUE FOR US.
UM, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SAFE ENGINEERING TO DO IT THAT WAY? WHICH WOULD, WOULDN'T YOU ALLOW WITH THE CURB IF THE CAR GOES, CAN JUST SHOOT OFF THE ROAD WITH THE ROLLOVER CURB? YEAH.
NO, THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T MEET, THAT WOULD PUT YOU BACK UP HERE.
IF IT, IF A, IF IT, IF A CAR COULD DRIVE OVER IT EASY, THAT WOULD PUT YOU BACK UP HERE AT THIS STANDARD INSTEAD OF DOWN HERE AT THIS STANDARD.
AND JUST TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER ON THAT, DICKIE, UH, I MEAN I KNOW YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEAR ZONES AREN'T REQUIRED FOR ROADWAYS, WITH CURBS, UH, EVEN IN THIS CHART IT SAYS THAT FOR A CURVED ROADWAY, YOU STILL NEED A MINIMUM LATERAL OFFSET OF FOUR FEET.
AND THAT'S MEASURED FROM THE FACE OF CURB.
DEFINE MINIMUM LATERAL OFFSET.
MINIMUM LATERAL OFFSET IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, STICKY.
CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THAT? IT, YEAH.
SO IT'S, IT'S NUMBER EIGHT AND UM, IS IT CLEAR ZONE DISTANCES DO NOT APPLY TO LOW SPEED URBAN ROADWAYS? RIGHT.
SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LIKE REQUIRED, BUT THEY, IN SUCH CASES, IN SUCH CASES, PROVIDE A MINIMUM LATERAL OF, OF FOUR FEET.
SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FOUR FEET FROM, FROM THE FACE OF THE CURB BACK.
AND THAT LATERAL OFFSET FOR THE, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SMALL CLEAR ZONE.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT FIRE HYDRANTS, LIGHT BULBS, TREES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITHIN THAT LATERAL OFFSET.
CAN PART OF THE EXISTING, WHEN YOUR CAR HITS YOUR TIRES HIT A CURB, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YOUR CAR COMING OVER.
SO YOU WANT THAT AREA TO BE CLEAR OF ANY OBSTRUCTIONS, CLEAR ZONES, REALLY JUST FOR YOUR CAR TO BE ABLE YOU TO GET YOUR CAR BACK IN CONTROL.
THAT'S SO CAN PART OF THE EXISTING ROAD, FOUR FEET ON EACH SIDE BE USED FOR CLEAR ZONE IF YOU HAVE A CURB AND GUTTER OR CURB.
BUT IN OUR CASE THEN YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THE WATER AND, AND I THINK VERTICAL BARRIER, CORRECT IF I'M WRONG,
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PART OF THE ISSUE IS IF YOU JUST DID A CURB AND THEN HAD CERTAIN CUTS, ONE, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THE WATER GETS THERE AND DOESN'T POND TWO, YOU'RE THEN STARTING TO CONCENTRATE ALL THAT WATER AT SELECTED POINTS AND THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG THAT ROAD ISN'T DESIGNED TO BE A THAT'S RIGHT.FOR, FOR OUR, SO THEN YOU HAVE TO GET INTO RESHAPING DITCHES FOR DRAINAGE, RIGHT.
IF YOU DON'T DO UNDERGROUND YEAH.
IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, SO THE CLASSIFICATION OF AN ARTERIAL SETS YOU UP FROM A, FROM A DESIGNER STANDPOINT, SETS YOU UP TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A HIGHER LEVEL OF DESIGN AND IT, LET'S JUST SAY YOU DO HAVE A, A CURB CUT THAT'S TWO FOOT WIDE.
WELL, TECHNICALLY FOR THAT TWO FOOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FLAT DISTANCE BEHIND THE CURB.
NOW YOU SAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT FOR A DRIVEWAY? WELL, YOU, WHEN THERE'S A CUT FOR A DRIVEWAY, IT'S USUALLY A FLAT, THE DRIVEWAY'S PRETTY FLAT.
SO IF YOU JUST, IF YOU BREAK THAT CURB AGAIN FOR AN ARTERIAL, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE BEFORE.
UM, IT, IT WOULD JUST BE, IT'D BE PRETTY HARD IN TRYING TO GET, YOU'D HAVE TO GET DEREK TO SIGN OFF ON IT TOO, THAT IT'S JUST NOT STANDARD WHEN YOU THE COLLECTOR, YOU SAID IT'S SIMILAR THOUGH TOO, RIGHT? A COLLECTOR WOULD BE SIMILAR.
YOU STILL HAVE STANDARDS THAT ARE FAIRLY HIGH.
AND TO POINT KIRK MADE A SECOND AGO IN TERMS OF RESHAPING THE DITCH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT RESHAPING THE DITCHES A LITTLE BIT IN A PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE I THINK YOU ALL MADE THE COMMENT THAT SAY IF WE GO IN THERE WITH THE GRADE ALL AND TRY TO RESHAPE THE DITCH, THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE GET INTO THE TREE ROOTS.
YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE THOSE TREES DIE IN 10 YEARS.
SO, SO OR IF YOU DO STORM SEWER, THOSE ROOTS ARE ALL, ALL IN THROUGH THERE.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IS IT'S ALREADY TOO FAST.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WOULD CREATE A FASTER ROAD THERE AND THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ALONG THERE, EVERYONE AND ONE OF THEM TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO THEY MOVE THERE FOR THAT HISTORICAL AVENUE AND THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, IF WE ABANDON THIS ROAD AND CREATE ANOTHER ONE, WE, WE ARE CREATING A FASTER ROAD.
IF WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT OLD SMYRNA ROAD AS AN EASTBOUND AND THEN BUILD A NEW WESTBOUND.
I MEAN COMMUNITIES ALL OVER KEEP HISTORICAL ROADS AS IS WITHOUT CURBS AND SO FORTH.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T STILL KEEP IT YEAH.
AS ITS HISTORICAL CORRIDOR FOR THE EASTBOUND AND THEN CREATE THE NEW WESTBOUND.
'CAUSE WE'RE LOSING BY ABANDONING IT, WE ARE LOSING THAT HISTORICAL FEATURE OF THAT, THAT THAT CORRIDOR WELL YOU'RE LOSING THE, THE DRIVING ON IT.
YOU'RE NOT LOSING THE COURT OR, WELL, SO WHAT YOU, YOU CAN SEE UP HERE, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW THAT IT, IT BECOMES, SO YOU, YOU HAVE AN, YOU HAVE AN IMPROVED ROAD WITH THE MULTI-USE PLAN PER THE, PER YOUR, YOUR DOCUMENTS.
THIS ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVED WITH A MULTI-USE PATH.
SO THE, THE EXISTING ROAD JUST BECOMES THE MULTI-USE PATH AND WE JUST HAVE TO BUILD TWO LANES OUT HERE.
SO THIS IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT DOING THE CURB HERE, AND I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED WHERE THE, THE COST FACTOR CAME UP.
LET'S LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.
SO IF YOU DO THIS, YOU'RE REALLY JUST WORKING ON TH 34 FEET RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU DO THIS AND YOU PUT THE MULTI-USE PATH OUT HERE, YOUR IMPROVEMENT'S 51 FEET.
NOW THIS ONE HAS STORM DRAINAGE, WHICH IS REALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IF YOU GO LOOK AT, UH, 51 DIVIDED BY 34 IS ONE AND A HALF.
SO THAT WAS JUST A QUICK NUMBER THAT I THREW UP THAT IT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST, UH, UH, ONE AND A HALF FACTOR TO DO ALTERNATE B OVER A IF YOU DID THE FULL CURB AND GUTTER.
I THINK THEIR, THEIR POINT IS NOT DOING, HOW DO YOU, HOW CAN YOU NOT DO THAT? IT'S STILL, WELL IF THAT'S THE BIGGEST COST YEAH.
WHERE YOU, BECAUSE YOU KIND OF, AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THE INITIAL PRESENTATIONS YOU SAID IT'S 50% MORE.
AND THEN I THINK WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY IS, IS DEFINED IN THAT 50%.
THAT WAS IMPROVING THAT ROAD, PUTTING IN CURBS TO MAKE IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE CLEAR ZONES.
THEN, THEN YOU HAD TO DO STORM SEWER.
SO, SO AGAIN, I'M BACK AT WHY, WHY CAN WE NOT LEAVE IT A HISTORICAL ROAD, BUILD IT UP WHERE IT'S DECAYING AND SO FORTH AS IS AND ONLY IMPROVE AND MAKE THE WESTBOUND SIDE WITH THE BIKE PAD PATH AND DO MINIMAL ALTERATIONS TO THE CURRENT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO
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WHERE IT'S DECAYING AND AND SO FORTH TO KEEP THAT EASTBOUND CURRENT, KEEP THE CURRENT ROAD AS AN EASTBOUND LANE.I I'M NOT, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT A BIT.
I, AND I DON'T MIND PUTTING MY NECK ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK.
AND I, I HAVE TO SAY THIS AS, AS ENGINEERS, IT SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MAKE A COMPARISON OF A SURGEON TO A HAMMER AND A NAIL TO A SURGEON, EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE A NAIL BECAUSE HE'S THE HAMMER.
AND TO AN ENGINEER, SOMETIMES EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE A NAIL BECAUSE WE WANT TO IMPROVE IT.
WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE SEE OLD SMYRNA ROAD, THOUGH IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC ROADWAY.
WE SEE A ROADWAY THAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE TRAVEL THAT'S ON THE ROAD.
SO, UM, TO ADDRESS THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE AND NOT PUT MYSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF ADVOCATING FOR THE ROAD OR AGAINST IT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION.
WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IN MY OPINION, FOR JUST AN ANECDOTAL EXAMPLE, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT WILSON PIKE, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING IF THE, IN MY MIND, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, IF THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, WELL WE'RE ONLY GONNA IMPROVE THE NORTHBOUND LANE OF WILSON PIKE AND WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WIDEN IT, WE'RE GONNA PUT THE SHOULDER AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THE, BUT THE LEFT SIDE OF IT, IT HAS SOME HISTORICAL FEATURES THERE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE, SOUTHBOUND SIDE, SOUTHBOUND SIDE ALONE.
WELL IT PUTS THAT ENTITY AT RISK FOR LIABILITY BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE IMPROVED ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T IMPROVED THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
THEY'VE IMPROVED THE NORTHBOUND LANES TO STANDARDS THAT ARE GIVEN FOR ROADWAYS OF THAT CLASSIFICATION.
YET THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE, THEY HAVEN'T IMPROVED IT TO THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AS, AS ENGINEERING ON LEAVING ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS IT IS AND IMPROVING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IN OUR MIND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THE PROPER THING TO DO TO, UH, ADHERE TO SAFE DESIGN ROADWAY STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST.
AND THAT'S JUST, I'M I'M SORRY.
BUT IT'S MAKING IT SAFER JUST BY PULLING AN ENTIRE LANE WEST LANE OFF.
IT IS, BUT IT'S STILL NOT, IT, IT'S STILL NOT TO ANY SAFETY STANDARDS.
IT DOESN'T MEET ANY HISTORICALLY AND UH, TECHNICALLY, UH, PROPER SAFETY GUIDANCE MEASURES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
AND DEREK, I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION AS AN ENGINEER.
THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT FROM YOU TO TELL US.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU FOR YOU TO SIGN OFF ON IT TOO.
AND WE CAN EITHER ACCEPT IT OR NOT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TELLING WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST APPROACH THERE.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS FROM THEIR SIDE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT, IT BECOMES SAFER WHEN YOU GOT ONE LANE AND NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
UM, SO THIS IS A RATHER UNIQUE ROAD, UM, THAT'S HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
UM, WHY DO WE NEED TO DESIGN TO A HIGHER SPEED STANDARD? WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT AT A LOWER SPEED STANDARD? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC ON THERE MORNING AND EVENING IS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, UH, FROM DAVIDSON COUNTY, RUTHFORD COUNTY.
THERE'S A LOT OF BRENTWOOD PEOPLE HANG ON.
USE IT TOO ON, HANG ON, LET ME, UH, LET ME FINISH.
UH, AND SO WHY DON'T WE SLOW IT DOWN INSTEAD OF INCREASING THE SPEED, UH, THAT GIVES US A DIFFERENT REFERENCE POINT AND FRAME IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AT A HIGHER RATE OF SPEED BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE HAVING TO DO EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF WE IMPROVE IT AND WE HAVE PLAN A PUTTING IN ALL THE SPEED HUMPS AND THE LITTLE, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM MINIATURE ROUNDABOUT THINGS, NOT REALLY A ROUNDABOUT TO SLOW IT DOWN 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT WILL SPEED IT UP.
BUT THE RESIDENTS THERE, THAT WAS THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN EVEN AT THE MEETING BACK THAT DECEMBER OR WHATEVER WAS PLEASE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT CAUSES TRAFFIC TO GO FASTER.
SO I I AM, I'D RATHER BRING IT DOWN AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON BELL RE WE'VE HAD AN ACCIDENT RECENTLY.
DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT SAFER.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE BELL RE WIDER, SO WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT SAFER.
CAN WE BRING DOWN THE SPEED? CAN WE PUT IN SPEED TABLES? SAME THING HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO, WE DON'T WANNA INCREASE THE SPEED IF WE'VE GOT A HISTORICAL
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ROAD.BUT, BUT SOMETHING I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND FROM COMMISSIONER GORMAN AND COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN'S COMMENTS.
I MEAN, DICKIE, WHEN, WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I, I KNOW A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE GOT, INCLUDING THE HAMMOND FAMILY, SOMETHING THEY REALLY HIT ON WAS PRESERVING THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF OLD SMYRNA ROAD, WHICH I KNOW WHAT THE APPROACH HERE WAS TO GO THROUGH AND LITERALLY PRESERVE IT OTHER THAN TAKING A PASSENGER CAR DOWN IT.
SO EVERYTHING ABOUT OLDS MURDER ROAD IN THAT SECTION WOULD BE PRESERVED OTHER THAN DRIVING ON IT WITH A PASSENGER CAR.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE SPEED CALMING AND SOME OF THE THINGS I I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT IN THE, UNLESS, UNLESS I MISSED SOMETHING WITH OPTION A, THAT IT HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES BUILT INTO IT.
YOU KNOW, ONTO, TO DEREK'S POINT ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THIS ROAD EXISTS, THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE ON IT.
AND EVEN IF WE CALL IT A SIDE STREET OR WE CAN CALL WHATEVER WE WANT TO, WE CAN CALL IT BOB, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA DRIVE ON IT AND WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES.
BUT DID, DID I OVERLOOK AM AM I MISINTERPRETING THE FACT THAT WE'RE BUILDING TRAFFIC CALMING INTO THAT OPTION A SO YOU CAN SEE IT UP THERE AT, AT AT ALTERNATE A SEVERAL SPEED TABLES.
UM, THAT SPEED TABLES ARE AN OPTION.
THOSE ARE LIKE, UH, MANY ROUNDABOUTS, UM, WHERE DRIVEWAYS ARE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO KIND OF LIKE WHERE AROUND HAVING TO PUT THE DRIVEWAYS, THOSE METHODS IN BECAUSE WE'RE IMPROVING THE ROAD SUCH THAT THEY CAN DRIVE WELL.
SO AGAIN, WE GET BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF THE ROADS.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, SPLIT LOG ROAD HAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME DOWN OFF THAT HILL AND YOU TRY TO GO DOWN THAT HILL AT THE SPEED LIMIT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO 'CAUSE THE ROAD'S STRAIGHT AND IT'S IMPROVED NOW.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SHOULDER WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, EXISTING OLD
'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THEY CAN SAFELY PULL ANYBODY OVER.
UM, BUT WE ADDED THESE, WE ADDED THESE IN HERE, UM, TO TRY TO CONTROL THE SPEED AND UM, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO CONTROL THE SPEED.
I MEAN, GIVING OUT A LOT OF TICKETS IS, IS THE BEST WAY
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT GETS IN.
SO WITH WITH, WITH IT BEING AN ARTERIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BENEFITED IS PEOPLE DONATED THIS LARGE AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF AWAY PLUS THEY HAVE 150 FOOT SETBACKS.
SO LIKE IF THIS WAS A LOCAL ROAD, THEN WHAT'S THE SETBACKS ON A LOCAL ROAD? IT'S NOT, NOT VERY MUCH.
IS IT? WHAT'S THE FRONT SETBACKS ON LOCAL ROAD? YOU MEAN? DEPENDS ON THE ROAD.
FRONT SETBACK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I DON'T, I THINK IT AS LITTLE AS 50 FEET.
OSRD WOULD BE LESS, OH ANYWAY, IT WOULDN'T BE 150 FEET.
SO, SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO GO BACK TO THE PICTURE FOR A SECOND OF THE A AND A AND B WHERE YOU HAD ALL THE BIKES AND, OKAY, SO ON ALTERNATE A OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY ALREADY OBTAINED OVER TIME, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE WE DON'T MM-HMM.
HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY, HOW MANY FEET OF RIGHT AWAY? BALLPARK.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE ENGINEERING.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO ACQUIRE TO DO ALTERNATE A OF THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS VERSUS HOW MUCH PROPERTY RIGHT AWAY ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO ACQUIRE FOR ALTERNATE B? OKAY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TOTAL WIDTH FROM HERE TO HERE, UHHUH,
THE TOTAL WIDTH FROM HERE TO HERE IS 34 FEET.
SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO DO ALTERNATE B VERSUS ALTERNATE A.
SEE THAT'S 34 FEET THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SIX FOOT CRASH STRIP, THEN YOU GOT THE PET TRAIL HERE.
AND UP HERE, UM, YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT A TWO FOOT CURB FLUSH CURB HERE THAT GIVES YOU SOME SPACER BETWEEN, AND THIS DOES THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO BIKE LANES OUT HERE.
THESE CAN JUST BE SHOULDERS, BUT IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO DO BIKE LANES WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE THERE.
THE BIKE LANE DO WHAT? THE BIKE LANES WOULDN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T TAKE YOU TO, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU
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GET TO THE SECOND PROJECT, WHICH WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED, THEY, THEY END YOU WOULD YEAH.WE WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO A TRANSITION OVER RIGHT.
IT CAN JUST BE, I MEAN, AND IT'S NOT SAFE TO GET ON A BIKE FOR THE REST OF ALL OR SO, SO, SO THIS WOULD, THIS COULD JUST BE SHOULDERS AND LATER ON WHEN THAT NEXT PROJECT IS DONE, IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A GOOD WAY, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND MAKE IT BY LANE.
IF YOU WANT TO BIKERS RIGHT NOW, THEY'LL JUST BE SHOULDERS.
BUT IT WOULD GET YOU TO THE PARK THROUGH THE PARK TO THE BIKE LANES ON JONES PARKWAY TO CONCORD OR THE PE THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON AND BIKERS ALREADY WOULDN'T USE THAT.
CAN I, CAN I LIFT A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS? WHETHER WE DO ALTERNATE B OR ALTERNATE A OR SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED? THE DRIVEWAYS, ALL THE 11, I THINK THERE ARE DRIVEWAYS COMING FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF SMYRNA STILL HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS.
SO IF WE LEAVE IT AS ALTERNATE A AND IT'S THE MULTI-USE PATH, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A AT LEAST 11 CUT THROUGHS, WHICH HAS TO GO OVER THE MULTI-USE PATH.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THE, THE SAFETY ASPECT OF THAT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ON A BIKE, WHO'S DRIVING THROUGH, IF THEY'RE CLIPPED IN, THEY'LL HAVE TO STOP, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CARS COMING, CARS COMING BACK IN THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO STOP.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DISTANCE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND DRIVEN ALL THAT AND BUT UM, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO BREAK THROUGH THE ROCK WALL.
AND SO THEN THAT DESTROYS THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY AT LEAST 11 TIMES THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND WE HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT UM, UH, TOP SECTION OR NORTHBOUND OR UH, NEW, ALL NEW ROAD.
SO THAT CONCERNS ME 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO SOLVE FOR THAT PROBLEM OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
AND IT TAKES A, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL NATURE AND TREES WILL HAVE TO BE LOST AND ALL, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, WHERE DOES THE WATER FLOW GO AND HOW WIDE IS THAT? AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED FOR THAT.
SO, UM, AND ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ABOUT WHAT DEREK WAS SAYING, AND I APPRECIATE THE ANALOGY 'CAUSE IT'S TRUE.
LIKE THERE ARE THINGS IN ALL OF OUR LIVES WHERE WE LOOK AT AND WE WANT TO SEE IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UM, BUT ONE OF THE DRIVERS FOR ACCIDENTS ON OLD S SMARTNESS BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT AND THERE'S SIDE SWIPES THAT THE MIRRORS AND HERE COMES A BIG DUCK, SO I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER.
AND IF WE DO ONLY HAVE THE BOULEVARD SITUATION, UM, THEN, THEN IT TAKES AWAY ALL THOSE RISK FACTORS.
I UNDERSTAND SOMEONE STILL MIGHT GO FAST AND JUMP THE CURB.
YOU CAN'T CONTROL ALL THOSE ACTIONS OF DRIVERS, BUT IT DOES DECREASE THE RISK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT PASSING MIRROR TO MIRROR, UM, FOR CARS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LIFT THAT, UM, WHILE I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO DRIVEWAYS, WELL THE DRIVEWAYS, SO, UM, LET'S JUST TAKE, UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DID WAS SPLIT LOG ROAD.
SO SPLIT LOG ROAD HAS A MULTI-USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE'S DRIVEWAYS THAT COME ACROSS IT.
THERE'S ROADS THAT COME ACROSS IT, BUT IS THERE A TREE LINE AND A ROCK WALL? WELL, HERE WE ALSO HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE 15 TO 16 FEET VERSUS THE 10 FEET.
SO WE COULD PUSH, YOU KNOW, UH, AT, AT EACH DRIVEWAY CROSSING AND ROAD CROSSING, WE WOULD DO IT SOME SORT OF TREATMENT TO NARROW NECK IT DOWN.
UM, SOME SORT OF TREATMENT TEND NECK.
LIKE, UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE WOULDN'T LEAVE THE ROAD GOING STRAIGHT LIKE IT IS.
WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT SOME HEDGES OR, SO I DON'T LIKE BOLLARDS, BOLLARDS ARE DANGEROUS.
UM, BUT ON ON THE SOME TYPE OF SOME, YOU KNOW, ON THE MULTIUSE PATH, ON THE MULTIUSE PATH IS THE RIGHT AND YOU CAN PUSH THE, YOU CAN PUSH THE PEDESTRIANS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY STILL HAVE, I MEAN THE MOST DANGEROUS THING VERSUS VERSUS THE PEDESTRIANS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO DO IT WITH CARS.
SO IT WON'T BE ANY WORSE THAN THAT AND WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT BETTER.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE HISTORIC ROCK WALL AND THE TREE LINE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AS A, AS A, AS A BARRICADE FOR A DRIVER OR A WALKER OR A BIKER.
THEY CAN'T SEE EACH OTHER UNTIL THEY'RE RIGHT UP ON EACH OTHER WHEN YOU'RE TURNING IN AND TURNING OUT AND GOING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? VERSUS VERSUS UM, UH, ON ON SWEAT LOG WHERE IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN.
IT'S A, IT'S JUST A GRASSY KNOLL AREA WHERE YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY.
SO WE HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND I JUST DON'T WANNA CREATE, I DON'T WANNA DO THIS PROJECT AND THEN CREATE MORE PROBLEMS INADVERTENTLY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS.
IF YOU'VE GOT TWO SEPARATED LANES OF TRAFFIC, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO COME ACROSS BARRIERS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THIS SIDE, THEY, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA WANT TO GO EAST OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALWAYS WANT TO GO WEST.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE CROSSES OR YOU'RE GONNA FORCE THEM ALL TO GO EAST ACROSS LIKE WE DO ON MURRAY LANE AND, AND DO A
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TURNAROUND.WHICH A U-TURNS MORE DANGEROUS THAN PULLING STRAIGHT OUT OF A DRIVEWAY.
WE COULD BUILD IN FOR THAT AND THEY COULD PUT ONE U-TURN THAT'S LESS CUT THROUGHS IF WE DO IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MURRAY LANE MEDIAN IS FOR LIKE MCGAVOCK AND ANYBODY THAT LIVES ON MURRAY LANE AND THEY HAVE TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL AND CUT THROUGH WHERE PRINCETON HILLS IS AND DO THAT LOOP.
UHHUH
BUT THERE'S, YOU FORCE SOME PEOPLE TO HAVE TO COME OUT AND GO EAST.
SAME SAME WE DO ON MURRAY LANE.
AND, AND THEN THEY WOULD'VE TO COME SOMEWHERE AND TURN.
THAT'S MUCH MORE THROUGH DANGEROUS TRAFFIC MANEUVER.
SO YEAH, IT'S THE SAME THING WE'RE DOING ON MURRAY LANE.
SO CREATING DANGER TO PREVENT DANGER.
AND AS FAR THE SWAT THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING NOW RIGHT NOW YOU GOT EIGHT FOOT LANES.
AM I CORRECT? ARE THE LANES EIGHT FOOT EACH? MAYBE.
AND SO, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT 11 FOOT LANES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT JOHN DOESN'T SUDDENLY LOOK DOWN AT HIS CELL PHONE AND SCOOT HIS BIG FORD PICKUP WITH THE BIG MARS OUT HERE AND CATCH JOHN'S COMING THE OTHER WAY.
BUT 11 FOOT LANES YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE CONTACTING MIRRORS.
I 'CAUSE OF THE BUSINESS I'M IN, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON THAT ROAD BECAUSE PEOPLE COME IN, CAN Y'ALL REPAIR THIS MIRROR? WELL WHAT HAPPENED? OH WELL DID YOU HIT IT ON THE GARAGE? NO.
HO SMYRNA ROAD BIG TRUCK CAME BY AND YOU KNOW, I HAD TO PASS A DUMP TRUCK LAST WEEK ON IT.
I HAVE A HONDA HOEY VAN, NOT ANYTHING EXTRA WIDE.
IT'S GOT LITTLE BITTY RABBIT MIRRORS.
THEY DON'T HAVE BIG, BIG MIRRORS AND UH, DUMP TRUCK WAS COMING THE OTHER WAY OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE WORKING ON ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THERE.
AND LITERALLY TO MANEUVER AROUND THAT DUMP TRUCK.
I LITERALLY HAD TO FEEL MY WHEELS GO.
IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE OWEN SNEAD HOUSE.
MM-HMM
PEOPLE BEHIND ME DOING THE SAME THING THAT ROAD IS, IS BECOMING MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE WE KEEP GETTING THE UM, WHERE THE EDGE OF THE ASPHALT I THINK 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THERE BECAUSE OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE APPROVED.
BUT THE, THE SIDES OF THE ASPHALT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHERE THE WHITE LINE IS ON THE ROAD.
THERE'S PLACES WHERE THE ASPHALT AND PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYBODY'S TRIED TO DO IT AND I'VE NOTICED THEY'VE SET THE ASPHALT DOWN ON THE SIDE, BUT IT JUST LITERALLY KEEPS SHAVING OFF.
AND I'M SURE IT'S VEHICLES BUT THE RAIN AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, WELL I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S
ALTERNATE A WITH 11 FEET WIDE, 11 FOOT WIDE LANES.
THE HOPE IS NO SIDESWIPE BUT ALTERNATE B YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SIDES SWIPES EITHER.
'CAUSE YOU'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATING THE TWO LANES.
SO I MEAN WE EITHER OPTION WE'RE ELIMINATING.
SHE WAS MENTIONING THAT WITH ALTERNATE A YOU COULD STILL GET SIDESWIPED TWO LENGTH.
NO, I'M SORRY, YOU MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ME.
I WAS SAYING CURRENTLY THAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST SITUATION ON UM, OLD SMYRNA RED.
BUT QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, ONE OF OUR LAST MEETINGS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A DESIGN GUIDE AND WE KNOW WE WANT TO BUILD TO THE BEST STANDARDS WE CAN WHEN WE, WHEN WE CAN.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN INTERESTING DIFFERENT SITUATION.
DO DO WE HAVE TO BUILD TO THESE TO THIS GUIDE? EXACTLY.
IT'S BASED ON THE ROAD DEFINITION.
SO IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? SO WE DO HAVE TO BUILD TO THE STANDARD THAT YOU'VE SHOWED US THAT HAS, IF WE, IF WE TOUCH IT, IT HAS TO BE DONE THAT WAY.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WELL DEREK WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR HIM.
SO, UM, UNLESS WE COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF CHANGE OF CLASSIFICATION, NEW CLASSIFICATION THAT WOULD FIT THIS WHEREBY WE COULD VET STANDARDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR ROADWAY THEN AND A STANDARD THAT WOULDN'T JUST APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WOULD APPLY TO OTHER CASES AND THAT HAVE BEEN USED HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE US I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, IF WE GO BACK TO THIS AND YOU TALK TAKE INTO WE, WE NEED TO HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THAT, I MEAN IT KIND OF CAME IN SAYING CAN WE USE THE OLD ROAD? IF YOU CAN'T USE THE OLD ROAD, THEN YOU GOT ALTERNATIVE A, ALTERNATIVE B BE I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE IS THEY LIKE THE, THEY LIKE THE
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OLD ROAD SO MUCH.THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD, THE WALL, THE TREES B IS MORE EXPENSIVE BUT MAYBE IT'S MONEY WORTH SPENDING AND YOU LOOK HOW LONG IT'S GONNA BE THERE.
YEAH IT MIGHT BE $5 MILLION BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO TOUCH IT FOR HOW MANY YEARS.
UM, WELL AND WHEN YOU SAY B, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT B WITH LIKE FULLY IMPROVED.
OR JUST USING THE EXISTING ROAD AND DOING WELL I THOUGHT WE SAID WE CAN'T USE THE EXISTING ROAD.
WELL I THINK IF YOU DO B THOUGH TO FULLY IMPROVE, LIKE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CURB AND GUTTER, YOU DESTROY THE CHARACTER, YOU DESTROY THE CHARACTER BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA DO THAT UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE.
YOU THEN DESTROY THE DITCHES, THE TREES, THE STONE WALLS.
SO YOU JUST END UP WITH DEFINITION.
YOU'RE WELL INTENDED TO THE STANDARD UP AN ARTERIAL, YOU STILL HAVE THE CUTS.
IT DID APPROPRIATE TO TAKE THE SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO SAY 20 MILES AN HOUR, UH, AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF HISTORIC ROAD.
UM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DESIGN TO THIS ULTERIOR UH, FAST STANDARD 20 MILES AN HOUR.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? MAYBE IT'S 17 TO BASICALLY DOWNGRADE IT FROM AN ARTERIAL.
'CAUSE IT WAS LABELED AN ARTERIAL IN THE NINETIES WHEN WE THOUGHT ALL THESE ADDITIONAL ROADS WERE GONNA GO TO AND THROUGH AND COLLECT THERE.
NO, I THINK IT WAS LABELED THAT PARTLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT PARTLY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT FUNCTIONS.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN TAKING THE SPEED DOWN DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GONNA SLOW DOWN.
I MEAN MY, I I'VE GOT AS MUCH COMPLAINT AS PEOPLE SPEEDING BY MY HOUSE EVERY DAY AS THE FOLKS ON OLD SMYRNA ROAD DO.
CHANGING THE UH, CLASSIFICATION OF THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE IS GONNA MAKE ANYBODY SLOW DOWN.
WE HAVE TO BUILD IT TO THE DRIVING CONDITIONS BUT NOT EXPECT THE DRIVERS TO ACCOMMODATE OUR DESIRE TO DO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
CAN'T WE CAN'T PUT SPEED TABLES ON.
WELL I'M SAYING HE SAID COLLECTOR ROADS WON'T BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.
WE CERTAINLY AREN'T GONNA LABEL THAT A LOCAL STREET, ARE WE? NO, BUT ANY, I MEAN WE CAN PUT SPEED TABLES ON IT CURRENTLY TO SLOW IT DOWN AND GET IT AT 25.
YOU COULDN'T PUT A SPEED TABLE ON THAT ROAD, YOU WOULD APPROVE JUST SAYING PRESIDENT LEAGUE.
I'M JUST SAYING CHANGING THE CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT ALONE IS NOT GOING, YOU KNOW, LABELING IT OR WHATEVER.
I'M FINE WITH BEING THE COLLECTOR BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S TO EXPECT DRIVERS TO SLOW DOWN JUST BECAUSE WE SAY OH YEAH, NO I THINK SO THAT'S, I THINK YOU PUT IN SPEED TABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING? AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT IT WOULD COST OR IF WE DIDN'T WANT SPEND IT, IT IS SO HARD TO VISUALIZE ALL OF THIS, WHATEVER.
I MEAN WE'VE GOT SEVEN DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE OUT THERE TRYING TO GO FROM OUR HEADS THROUGH YOUR DESIGN GUIDES TO PAPER.
AND IT'S VERY HARD TO PICTURE.
I LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WHILE AGO, WE THOUGHT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE, THESE COMPUTERIZED PICTURES OF WHAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'VE SEEN THEM FOR HIGHWAYS AND THESE, DOES YOUR FIRM DO THAT KIND OF THING? WE CAN HOW MUCH BALLPARK FIGURES? SO YOU, YOU END UP HAVING TO ALMOST DESIGN ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEFORE YOU CAN MODEL 'EM UNLESS IT'S, OR IT'S JUST CARTOONISH LIKE THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE A PRETTY EXPENSIVE WELL WHAT YOU MEAN PRETTY EXPENSIVE? LESS, WE'RE NOT HOLDING MORE, LESS THAN A HUNDRED.
DO WHAT? MORE OR LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WELL IF AS YOU SAY, YOU GOTTA GET ENOUGH DESIGN TO ACCURATELY DEPICT IT, I GUESS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE COST, NOT THE IT'S YEAH, PRODUCTION OF THE PICTURE.
IT'S GETTING, GETTING ENOUGH OF SAYING IF YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF, WELL I'M JUST SAYING ONE, YOU'VE GOT ONE THESE DESIGNS DONE, YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
TAKE WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE AND COMPUTERIZE IT FOR US SO WE CAN ACTUALLY VISUALIZE IT BETTER.
UM, PAT
UM, THE NEW STUFF, I MEAN IT'S STILL PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO DO TO MODEL THIS THING.
UM, I I WOULD SUSPECT THAT DICKIE COULD CONSULT WITH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND TAKE A COUPLE OF SEGMENTS OF THE ROADWAY AND HAVE THEM RENDER THAT AS A 3D MODEL.
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WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY.THAT'S YEAH, I MEAN ALMOST SIMILAR TO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SEWER TANK TOWER, WE JUST KIND OF NEEDED A VISUAL OF HOW TALL IS THAT TANK GONNA BE.
RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS PULLING IN CROSSING OVER HERE.
SO THIS FROM, FROM THIS LANE HERE TO OVER THERE IS A REALLY BIG DIS DISTANCE AND ISN'T THERE SOME, IT'S GONNA BE SOME HIGH DIFFERENCE? NOT MUCH.
NOT IN THE DISTANCE FROM HERE TO HERE IT IS PROBABLY 50 FEET OR MAYBE EVEN MORE SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE CAR PULLS INTO THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE AS THEY APPROACH.
IF IN THIS SCENARIO HERE, WHEN THEY APPROACH THIS TRAIL, THEY, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN COMING THIS WAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE, THE CURRENT ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE IT UP ON THE ROAD, THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE DANGEROUS THAN THIS WOULD BE BECAUSE HERE YOU'RE PULLING COMPLETELY OFF THE ROAD AND THEN YOU'RE STOPPING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING COMING DOWN THE TRAIL.
AND I DON'T, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS RIGHT HERE WILL BE USED ANYWAY.
DO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE VERY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES? NO, IT'S NOT.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN YOU HAVE THAT CONDITION ANYWHERE.
YOU HAVE A MULTI-USE TRAIL ON ALL OF OUR STREETS.
YOU KNOW, LER ROADS PROBABLY THE FASTEST, NOT SPEED LIMIT WISE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL, ACTUAL SPEED PEOPLE GO.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS OF CROSSING THE SMALL T WITH PATH OUT OF A DRIVEWAY MULTI PATH, YEAH, SO THE LOTS OF DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU ASSUME THE CARS AND THE ROADS COMING OUT HAVE ENOUGH SIGHT DISTANCE TO SEE CARS COMING AT 'EM.
SO THEN COMING THIS WAY WOULD BE THE SAME THING AND THERE WILL BE BREAKS IN THE WALL AND YOU'D HAVE TO REBUILD THOSE SECTIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE NOW.
I SAW WHERE THEY RAN A WATERLINE THROUGH IT AND THEY TOOK IT APART AND I THINK IT WAS ON THE HARLAN TRACK SO IT WASN'T THE OLD WALLS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY A WAY, YOU KNOW, DEREK THOUGHT OF A WAY TO POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE THAT.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO COME UP WITH WITH SOME MORE OPTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IT IS A COMPROMISE MEETING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAY EVEN COST MORE IF, 'CAUSE AGAIN, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PRESERVE OR WHAT'S THE GOAL HERE? IS IT SAFETY ONLY? IS IT SPEED? IS IT CHARACTER FOR DRIVERS OR WHATEVER THE RESIDENTS? I MEAN, ONE THING DEREK BROUGHT OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DESIGN IT, BUT UM, AS YOU BUILD THE TWO LANES TO THE NORTH AND THE OLD ROAD DOESN'T BECOME A ROAD, BUT IT BECOMES A FRONTAGE ROAD JUST TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS ON THAT SOUTH SIDE.
LIKE BUSINESSES HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE CUT THROUGHS.
BUT THEN IT'S NOT A MULTI-USE TRAIL EITHER.
SO YOU GOT SHOULDERS ONLY OR SOMETHING, OR IT'S ONE WAY FOOT SHOULDER ON EACH SIDE AND OF THE YEAH, OR, OR YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT CAN YOU MODIFY SOMETHING IN A, TO MAYBE GET MORE OF A MULTI-USE PATH.
BUT THEN THE RESIDENTS HAVE, IT'S JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT, SO IT WOULD HAVE ONE OR TWO, IT'D BE ONE WAY THOUGH.
YOU GOTTA GO ONE WAY TO GET OUT.
AND SO EVERYBODY WOULD'VE TO KIND OF HONOR THAT.
BUT THAT AT LEAST PRESERVES SOMETHING.
AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S, WE HAD JUST KICKED IT AROUND IN A MEETING, RIGHT.
SO TO GET ON IT, YOU WOULD STILL COME DOWN HERE AND ENTER THIS WAY.
HE NEEDS BE THOUGHT MORE ABOUT.
AND THEN YOU COULD PUT THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS MY FATHER-IN-LAW SAYS A BLIND PIG FINDS AN ACRE.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU COULD DO A, YOU COULD DO A ROUNDABOUT RIGHT HERE AT HARLAND AND HARLAND.
AND SO THEY WOULD COME DOWN HERE, THEN JUST GO ROUND AND ROUNDABOUT TO GO BACK THAT ROAD.
BUT YOU AGAIN, SO IT KEEPS, PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD.
BUT REALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT GET TO ENJOY IT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON IT.
THEY SEE IT A LITTLE BIT FROM THERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM TAKING A DRIVE DOWN IT ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TURN AROUND.
NOW, DO WE HAVE ANY BIKE LANES ON THE, ON THE NEW ROAD? WELL, YOU'D TO LOOK AT IT, WE WOULD LOOK AT, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT, SEE IF ADDING THEM.
WHAT ABOUT WINDY HILL PARK? OUR GOAL WAS TO GET BIKERS AND WALKERS TO THERE.
YEAH, I THAT YOU CAN STILL HAVE BIKE LANE, BUT YOU LOSE THE PEDESTRIAN.
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UM, TO THE STORM SEWER, AGAIN, IF, IF, IF, IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD THIS SCENARIO HERE AND THEN HAD A LANE HERE WITH THIS SCENARIO AND WE SLOWED THIS WHOLE THING WHERE IT DRAINS THIS WAY AND THEN WE SLOPE THIS WHERE IT DRAINS BACK THAT WAY AND JUST HAVE A SMALL CATCH DITCH HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO A WIDER CROSS SECTION, UM, WOULD PROBABLY NEED 20 MORE FEET.I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I DON'T, NOT EVEN PRETENDING TO BE SO BACK UP.
LET ME ASK YOU, HE'S JUST SAYING THAT THE WIDTH OF THE, WAIT, LET ME ASK THIS.
THIS, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE KEEP THE OLD ROAD AS JUST FOR USE.
CAN HOW WE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO WIND HILL PARK AND ALL FOR BIKE? WELL, MY, MY, MY HOPE WOULD BE TO FIND A WAY TO PUT A BIKE TRAIL, LOOK UP THERE AT THE SCREEN, PUT A BIKE TRAIL SOMEWHERE IN HERE, PUT AND TAKE IT OFF THE ROAD WHERE WE CAN STILL DO THIS.
WHICH IS THAT ON THE NEW ROAD OR THE OLD ROAD? IT WOULD BE ON LIKE THE MEDIAN.
SO THAT MAY GET INTO MORE TREES.
IT CAN MEANDER ALL OF THIS SECTION KIND OF WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING STONE.
I DO WANNA SAY, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DO THIS PROJECT, HOWEVER WE DO IT, THAT THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN OLD SMYRNA ROAD THAN THERE IS RIGHT NOW.
HANDS DOWN, MORE TRAFFIC, MAYBE THREEFOLD,
BUT THEN WE ARE GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM BETWEEN JONES PARKWAY AND WILSON PIKE.
AND ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC BUILDUP IN THE MORNING AND TRAFFIC RETURNING HOME TO THEIR DAVIDSON COUNTY.
UH, RUTHFORD COUNTY ADDRESSES IN THE AFTERNOON.
THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY GOING TO GET THEIR MAIL, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE HIT.
AND THEN DRIVERS ARE VERY COURTEOUS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA HIT THE PERSON GETTING THEIR MAIL.
WELL, THEN THEY SW WEAVE OVER INTO THE ONCOMING LANES OF TRAFFIC.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING TURN TROUBLE TURNING LEFT OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY ANYTIME OF THE DAY DURING RUSH HOUR.
SO WHEN WE BRING 2, 3, 4, 5 FOLD OF THE TRAFFIC VOLUME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO THAT ARC TO JONES, DOWN JONES PARKWAY TO WILSON PIKE, WE ARE GOING TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.
SO I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT I SPEAK FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, I WANNA REPRESENT THEM HERE, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF A GOOD REASON FOR DOING IT, BUT THE UNINTENDED.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA PUT THAT INTO THE WHOLE PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, AND, AND DICKIE THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.
DO WE WANT TO DO THAT TO THOSE RESIDENTS AND WHAT, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING HOW MANY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALL UP AND DOWN THERE.
THERE'S AT LEAST WHAT YOU SAY, 11, PROBABLY 10, 11.
BUT I ALSO DRIVE THROUGH THERE MANY TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN WILSON PIKE.
SHE'S TALKING BETWEEN WILSON PIKE AND JONES PARK.
BETWEEN WILSON PIKE AND JONES PARKWAY, BETWEEN THE ANNANDALE AREA AND WILSON PIKE.
THERE'S AT LEAST 15 TO 20 HOUSES ON EITHER DRIVEWAYS ON EITHER SIDE.
I, I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO COUNT, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE.
AND THEN CARON LA HAS AN EXIT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
MAYFIELD HAS A SUBDIVISION EXIT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL, WHO WILL BE EXPOSED TO THIS INCREASE IN VOLUME IN TRAFFIC.
THE OTHER PART IS THAT, UM, HAVE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET AND WE, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU PRESENTED THOSE NUMBERS TO US, I GUESS A YEAR.
SO ARE YOU STILL THINKING THE BUDGET NUMBERS ARE THE SAME OR HAS THEY, HAVE THEY INCREASED? IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE BUDGET.
KURT CAN TELL YOU WE DON'T, WE ARE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
VERY ONE TIME WE, WE CAME IN OVER BUDGET, BUT BY THE TIME IT WAS BILL, IT WAS STILL THE COST OF WHAT WE SAID.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT $10 MILLION FOR ONE MILE OF ROAD, WHICH WAS ALTERNATE A DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE, I'M STILL INTERESTED, BUT I'VE GOT TO GO.
I I KNOW IT'S CAN'T STAY ANY, SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT'S DECIDED.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, MAYBE THIS IS THEIR FIRST TIME THEY'RE TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT IS ONE MILE I UNDERSTAND BETTER THAN I CAN THOROUGHLY CONFUSED LESS THAN ONE MILE.
AND THE RESIDENT'S BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS THAT THEY, THE PEOPLE TRAVEL TOO FAST ON IT.
SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T TRAVEL TOO FAST, EVEN ON THE NEW ROAD.
UM, I THINK THE IDEA, THIS OTHER IDEA IS A GOOD ONE.
THERE'S LOTS OF IDEAS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE, MAYBE EVEN.
UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO INVESTED IN THAT SEGMENT OF BRENTWOOD, UM, ARE HEARD.
SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO DISCUSS THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC MEETING OPTIONS AND WHERE WE GO FROM THAT.
SO COULD WE DISCUSS THAT NOW AGAIN, WE JUST, YEAH,
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WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT, OBVIOUSLY, WHATEVER WE DID THE LAST TIME WASN'T SUFFICIENT OR DIDN'T GET WHAT YOU NEEDED.SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THE MEETINGS? WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF THE MEETINGS AND WHAT IS THE FORMAT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DID BEFORE? DEREK HAD PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHEN HE, UH, SURE.
SCRIPT AND, UH, STOOD UP, UH, AND SAID, HEY, LET'S GET THE, UH, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THEM, UH, AND APPROACH IT, UH, IN, UH, IN THAT WAY.
SO, AND I WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
WELL, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ADDITIONAL COST WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AND ALL THAT.
A QUESTION FOLLOW UP KIND OF BUILDING ON THAT THEN, IS, IS THE FOCUS THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ALONG THERE, OR IS THIS A COMMUNITY-WIDE? CHARETTE, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU POTENTIALLY GET DIFFERENT VIEWS OF IT.
KIND OF TO YOUR POINT IS WELL REALLY THIS IS THE, UH, NORTHEASTERN PART OF OUR CITY AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ANYONE WHO'S GONNA BE AFFECTED IN THAT AREA.
I, I'M NOT, I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE PEOPLE IN DAVIDSON COUNTY THINK
UH, ALTHOUGH THEY'LL UTILIZE IT AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
BUT I WOULD THINK ANYONE IN THE GENERAL CORRIDOR WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY IT.
SO CERTAINLY, UM, UM, ANNANDALE MAYFIELD, UH, MAYFIELD, CARON LA UH, ONE COULD EVEN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, UM, WIND HILL PARK WILL BE CONNECTED TO BRENT MEAD.
SO BRENT MEAD PEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE WALKABILITY, CONNECTABILITY THROUGH BRENT MEAD.
UM, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS MY THOUGHT WAS IS IF IF, IF IT WAS JUST THE CORRIDOR WE'D DO, LIKE WE DID FOR SOME OTHER MEETINGS, WE WOULD SEND WRITTEN INVITATIONS TO THE PEOPLE AFFECTED.
IF WE, IF IT'S A MUCH BROADER AREA, THEN IT BECOMES JUST A PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED MEETING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO HAS WHAT INPUT.
BUT I THINK YOU VALUE, UH, THE, UH, INPUT AND FEEDBACK BASED ON IS IT IN THEIR BACKYARD? RIGHT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY WIDE READING OR A PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETING AT THE LIBRARY AND 50 80 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND THEY DRAW ON MAPS AND, AND ALL THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TIE THE END RESULT BACK TO WHO SAID WHAT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN QUANTIFY THAT.
MAKE PEOPLE WRITE DOWN THEIR COMMENTS ON THEIR AND LEAVE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DID BEFORE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU EXPLAIN THAT THAT'S AVAL EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THEIR WRITTEN COMMENT IS MORE VALUABLE THAN THEIR VERBAL COMMENT AND, AND THAT, AND THAT JUST SETS THE ORDER.
AND, AND I THINK, I MEAN, PART OF THE REASON WE KIND OF SAID, HANG ON, LET'S UNDERSTAND THIS MORE IS AFTER THE DECEMBER MEETING WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THE RESIDENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR CORRIDOR THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH, RIGHT.
THAT WE WERE GONNA TOUCH CAME AND WE LEARNED THINGS AND THEY WERE PRESENTED ONLY WITH PLAN OPTION A, ALTERNATE A.
AND UM, THEIR COMMENTS FEEDBACK WERE BASED ON IF IT WERE ONLY OPTION A.
THEY DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON OPTION B, BUT THERE WERE THINGS WE LEARNED FROM THEM.
AND THEN WE HAD THE OTHER MEETING THAT INVOLVED THE PEOPLE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL SIDEWALK THAT LIVED FROM WILSON PIKE TO ANNANDALE AREA.
THAT WAS A DIFFERENT SET OF PEOPLE AND WE LEARNED THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT AND THE CONCERNS FROM THOSE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE'VE HAD TO PUT A PAUSE AND FIGURE OUT MORE IS BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE CONCERNS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT THEY HAD, THE RESIDENTS HAD.
SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE AND IT'S, IT'S THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND I MEAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO COME AND, AND LEARN ABOUT IT.
MY ONLY POINT IS THE KIND OF CHARETTE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENDS UP BEING A LARGE GROUP WITH GROUP POLLING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA TIE BACK ALL THE END RESULTS OF THOSE MEETINGS.
TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS SECTION SAID, THIS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR ON THE EXPECTATIONS OF A MEETING LIKE THAT.
AND IT COULD BE A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT THE PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY INVOLVED IN THE CHARETTE PART ARE ALL ON THAT CORRIDOR OR FEED INTO A MAYFIELD OR A
BUT ARE YOU ASKING US THEN TO POLICE AND ID PEOPLE WHO ARE A PART, I MEAN THERE'S, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC.
TECHNOLOGY IS, THEY'RE NOT A WAY TO, WHEN THEY LOG IN, THEY PUT THEIR ADDRESS, I'M ALLISON SPEARS AND THIS IS MY ADDRESS AND ALL MY COMMENTS ARE NOT USUALLY NO, MA'AM.
SO YOU, AND I'M SORRY, I'M INTERJECTING HERE AGAIN, KIRK, JUST TELL ME IF I SHOULDN'T, BUT SO TYPICALLY YOU'LL HAVE, AND THE WAY I'VE SEEN THESE GO IN RECENT YEARS, THE TECHNOLOGY LENDS ITSELF TO SOMETHING LIKE, IT'S LIKE A SURVEYMONKEY THING WHERE YOU, YOU'RE POLLED ON YOUR CELL PHONE.
UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ANONYMOUS.
THEY'RE JUST NUMBERS THAT COME IN TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET AND YOU WOULD KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY'S FROM AND YOU COULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE TAKING THESE SURVEYS AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET YOUR COMMENTS IN WITH YOUR ADDRESS ON A
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COMMENT CARD.BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THE GENERAL OVERALL THEME OF THE MEETING, MOST OF THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE SIT AROUND AT TABLES, UH, DISCUSSING WITH PEOPLE.
NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS, WHAT DO YOU LIKE? IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT DO YOU LIKE ON THIS PLAN? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON THIS PLAN? AND THEN POLLING FROM THE, AND IT'S THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES COLLABORATING AND TALKING AMONGST THEMSELVES AND GENERATING IDEAS, WHICH WE CAN'T CONTROL.
IF YOU LIVE ON THIS SECTION OF AL SMYRNA, YOU SIT AT THIS TABLE.
IF YOU LIVE ON THIS SECTION OF SMYRNA, YOU SIT AT THIS TABLE.
IF YOU LIVE IN CARRON DELE, YOU SIT AT THIS TABLE.
IF YOU LIVE IN ANNANDALE, YOU SIT AT THIS TABLE AND ALL THAT COLLABORATION CAN HAPPEN ORGANIZED IN THAT.
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO HANDLE THAT AND TO MINE THAT DATA.
AND THAT'S NOT DIFF I DON'T THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT.
WE JUST HAVE TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY.
SO THAT'S BACK TO, AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THAT'S BACK TO, UH, BY SPECIAL INVITATION ONLY SORT OF MEETING, NOT A BROADCAST, PUBLIC MEETING.
'CAUSE WE DO A BROADCAST PUBLIC MEETING.
WE MAY HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE IN DAVIDS COUNTY OR WHEREVER.
SO THEY COULD SIT AT ANOTHER, ANOTHER TABLE.
OH, WE PUT THEM AT TABLE, TABLE.
I THINK THERE'S A BETTER IDEA.
WE'RE HERE SPIT BALLING AND WE'RE NOT THE PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THOSE KIND OF MEETINGS.
SO PROBABLY BEST IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, THEN, UM, WHETHER WE DO IT THROUGH DICKIE OR DO IT DIRECT OURSELVES, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO SPECIALIZES IN THAT KIND OF FACILITATION PLANNING, GET THEM UNDER CONTRACT, UH, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED.
IS IT A BLANK SLATE OF, OR OR DOES DICK NEED TO DO SOME MORE DESIGN ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO HAVE SOMETHING? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE SEQUENCE OF WORK THAT HAS TO GET US TO THAT POINT.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING THROUGH THAT.
AND AND TO YOUR POINT, I I AGREE COMPLETELY GETTING SOMEBODY, 'CAUSE WE WANNA HAVE A A, A GOOD RESULT EVEN AROUND THIS TABLE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS.
I MEAN, WHAT THE WAY COMMISSIONER SPEARS DESCRIBED WHAT THE FEEDBACK SHE'S GETTING, I GUESS LOOKING BACK AND EVEN TO OUR, OUR MEETING WITH HAMMOND SPOKEN DIFFERENT STUFF, I'M HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT I DO HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE SAFE, LIKE YOU SAID.
I, I HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE TRAVERSABLE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY CONCORD ROAD NORTH.
IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMMENTS I GET IS WE DON'T WANNA HAVE REPRODUCE CONCORD ROAD TO THE NORTH OF IT.
BUT THEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HAMMOND SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT THE HISTORIC NATURE AND TRYING TO PRESERVE IT.
AND I DIDN'T HEAR 'EM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HAVING TO DRIVE ON IT.
I HEARD 'EM JUST SAY THEY WANNA REALLY PRESERVE WHERE THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PERSONALLY I FEEL VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, SENTIMENTAL ABOUT THE ROAD I GREW UP AROUND AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT.
BUT IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO KIND OF GET THIS, THIS BROADER COMMUNITY INPUT IN A WAY THAT'S EFFECTIVE.
'CAUSE I ALSO DON'T, I HOPE NO ONE'S WILLING TO DESIGN IT TO AN UNSAFE STANDARD OR DO SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE COMPROMISING OUR STANDARDS AS A CITY TO DO SOMETHING.
SO LIKE I DON'T WANNA HAVE A BRAINSTORMING SESSION WHERE THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPITBALLS AND DESIGNS SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR SOMETHING INADVISABLE OR SOMETHING THAT DEREK WOULDN'T SIGN OFF ON.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEET A STANDARD.
BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CONSCIOUS OF THE BUDGET.
'CAUSE I THINK IF WE DESIGN SOMETHING THAT'S, OR WE LAND ON SOMETHING THAT'S ONE AND A HALF TIMES THE COST AND THEN STILL DOESN'T PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE AND STILL ENDS UP WITH TRAFFIC PROBLEMS OR WHATNOT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT AS A COMMISSION.
OR DICK, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WERE TRYING TO BALANCE THE FIRST TIME THROUGH WITH THE OPTIONS YOU PRESENTED IS TRYING TO, IT IT WOULD BE, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR A LAY PERSON TO HAVE A IDEA THAT COULD EVEN BE PLAUSIBLE.
AND WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND THEN CAN, CAN JUST HAVE A WAIT.
CAN YOU CAN DO THAT NOT USE OF ANYONE STONE.
YOU JUST GO THROUGH 'EM AND, AND YOU JUST SAY, WELL THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LEAVE THE ROAD JUST LIKE IT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS, YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS AND LIKE THAT DRAWING AND, AND MAYBE THIS, I THINK DRAW THE ALTERNATIVE WITH A, WITH A FRONTAGE ROAD KIND OF IDEA.
DEREK ALTERNATIVE I THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WAS VERY CLARIFYING.
I THINK, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE A THIRD POTENTIAL.
I WOULD LIKE THE RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OPTION TO DO NOTHING.
I MEAN THERE IS THAT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE RIGHT ONE, BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, AT LEAST ON OUR SIDE, AND YOU SAID IT RIGHT, NOT IN IN, IN DECEMBER WHEN I ATTENDED THE MEETING AT THE LIBRARY, THAT WASN'T PRESENTED TO THE RESIDENTS.
IF, IF I COULD GO BACK TO THAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES BEFORE AND I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT.
SO IN DICKY'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION IN OCTOBER OF 2022, UH, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC TASK, UH, ORDER OF THINGS TO BE
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DONE.AND IN THAT PROPOSAL, UH, THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE TO BE PRESENTED A MINIMUM OF TWO.
AND THEN BASED ON THE COMMISSIONS OR THE, THE, UM, I GUESS PROBABLY, UH, I SHOULD SAY STAFF AS WELL, RECOMMENDATION.
ONE OF THOSE WAS SELECTED TO DO A FULL-BLOWN COST ESTIMATE ON, AND AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
AND THEN, SO AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED.
THIS IS THE OPTION FOR WHICH WE RECEIVED DIRECTION OR, UH, DESIRE TO GO WITH.
SO, UH, IF, IF, IF SOMETHING WAS DONE AT THAT MEETING THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE AS IN STATING, UH, THIS IS IT, THIS IS THE DONE DEAL, THAT'S MY FAULT.
AND I COMPLETELY ACCEPT THAT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO HIS PROPOSAL, THAT'S THE DICKEY FOLLOWED HIS PROPOSAL AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY HIS WORK WAS COMPLETED AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING.
I, I DON'T THINK DOING NOTHING IS AN OPTION.
NOT WITH ALL THE LIABILITY STUFF WE'VE HEARD.
I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT AN OPTION? YES.
I THINK IF THAT'S THE OPTION, PURSU, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS PUBLICLY PROBABLY AT THAT MEETING, I BELIEVE THE CITY WILL HAVE FAILED ITS OBLIGATIONS.
IF WE JUST LEFT IT AS IT IS WHILE WE ARE OUT THERE, I THINK YOU SUBDIVISION I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ALL EVERYBODY SAYS WE WANNA PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE.
ALTER BAY WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FABRIC OF THAT CORRIDOR.
THE THE THE OLD SMYRNA ROAD AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULD ABANDON IS STILL THERE TECHNICALLY, BUT THE, THE ENTIRE FAB, THE, THE WHOLE CORRIDOR IS CHANGED.
THE OPTION THAT YOU MENTIONED WHERE IT'S STILL AN ACCESS ROAD, A PARALLEL ACCESS ROAD, I THINK I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I, THAT KEEPS THAT AN AVENUE OF THAT HISTORIC NATURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO CURB IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, EVEN THOUGH WE CURB, IF WE HAD TO CURB THE CURRENT OLD SMYRNA ROAD TO DO SOME PLAN OR WHATEVER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT CURBS, IT'S STILL IS MORE VISUALLY LIKE IT IS NOW WITH A HISTORIC NATURE.
JUST ADDING CURBS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT AS MUCH AS ALTERNATE A.
WHICH CHANGE? I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN CURB IT.
IF YOU ACCESS WROTE IT, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN THIS.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE DID B ALTERNATE B AND WE CURB IT, I STILL THINK THAT PRESERVES MORE OF THAT HISTORICAL FEEL THEN JUST A, BECAUSE IT TAKES OUT THE WALLS AND THE TREES.
IT DOESN'T TAKE ALL THE WALLS OUT.
DOESN'T, IT'LL KILL THE TREES AND YOU'LL HAVE, IT'LL PROBABLY KILL SOME OF THE TREES.
'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO DO STORM DRAINAGE ON IT.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THE DRAINAGE.
I MEAN, AND WE DO, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY ROTTEN SINCE WE'RE, WE'VE JUST PULLED ONE, WE JUST AUTHORIZED TODD TO GO PULL ONE DOWN.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A VALID POINT.
I MEAN WE MIGHT NEED TO SEE IF THOSE REALLY ARE SALVAGEABLE AND ARE THEY GONNA STAY, ARE THEY GONNA END UP COMING DOWN? MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE START TOO.
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE TREES THAT THEY EVENTUALLY GONNA COME DOWN.
STICKY IS PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE WITH EVERYBODY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF ALTERNATE B, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN JUST PLUNK DOWN THOSE CURBS.
THE EXISTING WALLS STAY, THE TREES STAY AND THE CARS THERE IN THE RED AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT.
EVERYTHING REMAINS, BUT IT DOESN'T.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT DEPICTION.
AND WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT'S HARD IS ANYTIME YOU CAN SEE THIS WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO TO, UM, RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING DITCH AND YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CURB UP HERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA OUT THERE
SO IF YOU DO A CURB, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE TO BACK IT TO KEEP IT FROM MM-HMM.
SO I MEAN I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT, BUT IT WOULD BE PRETTY, IT'D BE, IT'D BE PRETTY TOUGH WITHOUT DOING STORM DRAINAGE IN THE ROAD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF DERRICK WOULD APPROVE IT OR NOT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I KNOW DERRICK, IS TO DO IT WITH AN ALLEY SECTION AND THEN DRAIN THE WATER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO RUN THE STORM SEWER DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
BUT SEE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL STANDARD ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN A LOCAL STANDARD ROAD.
SO IT'S, IT, THERE WAS AN EASY ANSWER.
WE IT'S NOT, WE'D ALL SETTLE FIVE YEARS AGO.
THIS IS WHY THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME IN 1998 OR 99 SAID, WELL HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, KENNY, HOW MANY TIMES I PROPOSED IT WOULDN'T HAVE PROBABLY BEEN DONE 20 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS WHEN SUDDENLY THERE WERE SEVERAL MORE HOUSES THAT WERE PUT IN THERE.
THAT'S WHEN IT REALLY BECAME VERY OBVIOUS THAT SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE.
THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF THIS AREA WILL PROBABLY ONLY INCREASE BY 100 HOUSES.
AND A A ONE MILE STRETCH OF ROAD IN 100 HOUSES REALLY DOESN'T ADD THAT MUCH INCREASE
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OF CAR VOLUME.IT'S THE CUT THROUGH VOLUME THAT'S INCREASED.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE COMMUTER VOLUME THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO SOLVE.
WE'RE NOT SOLVING A, WE'RE NOT SOLVING OUR OWN RESIDENTIAL PROBLEM.
IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO INCREASE WHETHER WE DO.
AND WE JUST DON'T WANNA CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM.
UM, WHATEVER WE DO, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE A BIGGER PROBLEM, UM, THAN WE ALREADY HAVE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE ON CERTAIN SEGMENTS FOR SAFETY, FOR ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
I WANNA SAY THAT PUBLICLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU WATCH OTHER CITY COMMISSIONS AROUND EVEN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, THEY DON'T ALWAYS STAY CIVIL.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE CAN DISAGREE, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT A LOT.
UM, THAT WE'RE WILLING TO, TO DISAGREE AND STILL STAY CIVIL AND TALK IT THROUGH TO FIND THE BEST END FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR TAXPAYER DOLLAR.
SO TO WRAP IT UP AT 1220, WHICH MAY BE THE LONGEST ONE I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN, UM,
WHAT I'M HEARING THEN IS, IS WE NEED TO GO BACK WITH DICKIE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT SCOPE OF WORK HE MAY HAVE TO KIND OF FLESH OUT THIS ACCESS OR THE MM-HMM.
SO HE IS GOT THAT PART AND THEN EITHER THROUGH HIM OR THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING FOLKS IDENTIFY, UH, A PLANNING CONSULTANT THAT MIGHT FACILITATE THE TYPE OF MEETING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
UH, THAT I'M SORRY THAT WOULD BE BEST DONE THROUGH DICKIE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT WITH HIM.
SO THAT'S JUST AN AND ROADWAY DRAWINGS, THE PLANS, THEY CAN SHARE THOSE AND, AND MAYBE ONCE WE IDENTIFY THEM WE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BRING THEM IN TO A BRIEFING AND LET YOU LET THEM HEAR FROM YOU OR THEY CAN HEAR THEY CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THIS VIDEO.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE 'CAUSE YOU KIND OF ORIGINALLY THREW OUT A 50% MORE COST INCREASE ON IT.
B WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL AND IS THERE A WAY TO BRING THAT COST DOWN IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DID CURB BUT NOT GUTTER YOU, YOU THREW OUT SOME TERMINOLOGY I WASN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH.
WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN ON THAT AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BRING THAT COST DOWN TO, TO MAKE ALTERNATE BA MORE REALISTIC OPTION? AND TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TREES ARE MIGHT DIE ANYWAY AND THEY MAY BE ALREADY DEAD
IF WE CAN CUTTER CURB AND GUTTER IT AND IT DOESN'T, UM, TAKE DOWN THE WHOLE TREE SHED, THE VIEW SHED, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.
SO WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED ON INFORMATION.
WE ARE ASSUMING THAT IT WILL KILL A LOT OF THE TREES.
BUT DO WE, DO WE KNOW AND IF AND IF WE COULD KNOW THEN WE COULD MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
WE'RE ALREADY GETTING A CONTRACTOR TOO TO LOOK AT THE, THE TREE.
LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT
WELL THEY'VE DRIVEN OLD SMIRNA ROAD AND IDENTIFIED THE ONE.
SO A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE UM, CITY LANDSCAPE INSPECTORS WHEN THEY LOOK AT WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA SAVE A TREE OR NOT, IS IF YOU GET IN THE CANOPY OF THE TREE.
IS IS WHERE THE ROOTS IS WHERE, WHERE THE ROOTS ARE.
IF YOU GETTING IN, IF YOU'RE CUTTING INSIDE THAT CANOPY OF THE TREE, YOU'RE GOING CUT THE ROOTS.
NOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA KILL THE TREE OR NOT IS IN A YEAR OR FIVE OR 10.
WE'VE GONE IN, WE'VE GONE INTO PROJECTS.
YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT ON THIS ONE 'CAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY TREES WHERE THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE OF SPECIMEN TREES AND WE WENT IN THERE AND EXCAVATED AND CLEAN, CUT THE ROOTS WITH ARBORIST WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE TREES WOULD LIVE.
UM, HERE IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE WE START, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, ARE THE TREE EVEN ELIGIBLE RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE TOUCH CAN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOT NICE
WELL I HAVE THE TREES LOCATED.
I I THAT WOULD BE BUT CONDITIONAL NOT JUST CASE.
YOU COULD GET AN ARBORIST TO COME IN AND I BUT THEY ALREADY, I MEAN THEY WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN ARBORIST OPINION IF THAT'S A PART OF THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE AREA.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO QUANTIFY IT BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THOSE ARE GONNA BE VISUAL S JUST LIKE TREE THAT'S OUT HERE.
VISUALLY SURVEYED IT LOOKED FINE UNTIL THE BRANCH BROKE AND CORRECT.
SO THERE'S A HOLLOW IN THE MIDDLE.
SO ONE HE SAYS, OH THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL TREE, YOU NEED TO SAVE IT.
IT MAY FALL OVER TOMORROW AND YOU SEE IT'S HOLLOW.
SO I MEAN I JUST WANT TO THE ANSWER, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
WE'LL JUST GET AN ARBORIST AND LET HIM GIVE US HIS BEST.
HIS BEST OPINION ON THOSE ONES YOU THINK ARE, WOULD BE MOST, MOST IMPACTED WITH WHAT, WHICH ONE IT WOULD NEED TO GO OR MAY SAY THEY, SOME OF THESE NEED TO GO ANYWAY.
MEAN MAYBE TRYING TO BUILD A ROAD AROUND TREES THAT NEED TO COME DOWN ANYWAY.
AND KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT THE POSSIBILITY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DOWNGRADE THE, THE SPEED ON THAT ROAD? I MEAN EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT SAFETY.
UM, AND THE, THE BIGGEST USERS OF THIS ROAD, UH, OUR CUT THROUGH ROAD IN THE MORNING AND IN THE EVENING.
SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TAKE IT DOWN TO 20 MILES AN HOUR? UH,
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AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S POSTED AND YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THAT, BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND I'M JUST USING THAT, UM, DOESN ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT TO TAKE IT DOWN 'CAUSE THIS IS A HISTORIC AREA.UH, IT'S MEANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, UH, THROUGH THERE.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, DOES TAKING DOWN THE SPEED ALSO IMPLY THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WAY TO ENFORCE THAT SPEED? 'CAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT, THAT THAT ROAD ISN'T VERY ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN AND THE LACK OF CURRENT DESIGN.
IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE NEW DESIGN HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT I'M SAYING TO TO, TO TAKE IT DOWN TO SAY 20 OR 17 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO ALSO ALLOW IT TO HAVE THAT SPEED LIMIT BE ENFORCED.
IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE IT TO WHERE IT'S PASSABLE IN THAT WAY, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S STILL ENFORCEABLE NOW.
IT'S JUST ABOUT DONE VERY OFTEN.
IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT UM, BUT IT'S, IT, IT, AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
RESIDENTS, NON-RESIDENTS KNOW THINGS ARE ENFORCEABLE.
'CAUSE WE DO ENFORCE IN BRENTWOOD EVEN IF WE DON'T ALWAYS CHOOSE TO AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT DOWN UNLESS YOU TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN.
SO JUST FYI TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CLASS, ONE OF THE FIRST WEEK WE WERE IN THERE, IT'S LIKE WHAT CONTROLS, THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT CONTROL HOW FAST SOMEBODY DRIVES HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT, VERTICAL ALIGNMENT OR ONE AND TWO SPEED LIMIT WAS NUMBER 14.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU THE WAY ONLY REALLY WAY TO DO THAT IS HEAVILY EN ENFORCE IT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN FRANKLIN ROAD FIRST OPENED, PEOPLE WERE DRIVING 70 ON THERE.
SO MUCH I SAY THAT WOULDN'T SAY AT ALL, BUT YEAH.
THE THING IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PULL SOMEBODY OVER.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE CURBS RIGHT ON THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY PULLS IN SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY, THERE'S REALLY NO.
SO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE, UH, APPROPRIATE PLACE TO, UH, YOU CAN TELL SOMEBODY.
SO LET'S JUST TO TRY TO WRAP IT UP.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A, UH, A NEW, UH, EXPANDED, AMENDED SCOPE OF WORK FOR DICKIE THAT NOW INCLUDES UH, A TREE SURVEY OF THE CORRIDOR.
UH, SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE CALLED DESIGN OR WHATEVER OF THE CONCEPT C
THE BACK BIKE TRAIL WOULD BE THE YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WELL, BUT JUST HOW IT, HOW IT ALIGNS AND WHAT'S THE ROUTE TO GET TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BASKIN LANE
AND I JUST, I JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT IT.
SO YOU COULD ASK THAT IN THAT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT JONES PARK DOWN AT HARLAN FOR PEOPLE TO REVERSE.
YEAH, JUST, JUST HOW THAT ACCESS ROAD THEN HOW DO PEOPLE GET OUT AND WHAT'S THE, HAS THERE ONE OR YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END OF THE BOULEVARD, BUT THERE'S ONE THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN IDENTIFY A, UH, A PLANNING SPECIALIZED FIRM THAT MIGHT BE GOOD TO COME IN AND KIND OF DO THIS MORE PARTICIPATORY COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND THEN MAYBE BEFORE WE FORMALLY ENGAGE THAT WE WOULD BRING THAT SOMEBODY FROM THAT FIRM IN AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY DO IT AND GET YOUR INPUT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAYS TO BRING IT, BRING IT DOWN, BUT COST ESTIMATE.
AND THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL, I I THINK BACK TO THE MEETING KURT, JUST TO, I MORE, NOT TO BEAT THE DEAD HORSE, BUT I THINK WE SAY THIS IS YOUR FINAL TOTAL FINE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS IN THE PAST, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS THE FINAL MEETING ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, AND ANOTHER WAY MAYBE PUBLIC MEETING TO DO THE CHARETTE THINGS.
AND AGAIN, I I WILL DEFER TO THEM IS, AND I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, IS MAYBE YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S MORE PRIVATE INVITE.
RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S A COMMUNITY ONE YOU CAN'T CONTROL SOME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA ID PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN THE DOOR FOR THE PRIVATE INVITE.
I THINK TWO MEETINGS IS REAL ON A PROJECT THIS BIG.
I MEAN WE HAD TWO MEETINGS FOR WHEN WE DID WHEN I WASN'T ON WITH THE CITY AT THAT POINT, BUT FOR THE BIKE LANE STRIPING ON GRANNY WHITE, JUST HOW TO PAINT A STREET.
SO I I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $10 MILLION ON AND IT, AND IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL DECISION TOO.
UM, THIS DECISION FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTS.
IT'S A VERY, IT JUST TIES IN A LOT OF EMOTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO TWO MEETINGS AND IF ONE IS MORE PRIVATE TARGET, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF TARGETED, THEY TARGETED, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE OTHER ONE IS MORE TARGETED THAN THE OTHER IS MORE GENERAL.
IT GIVES THOSE PEOPLE AT LEAST TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO COME AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS.
NOW, FINAL CAVEAT AS FAR AS EXPECTATIONS YOU JUST WHISPERED
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TO ME IS, OKAY, WE'RE THE END OF AUGUST.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR HIM TO PULL TOGETHER A FEE PROPOSAL.
SO NOW WE'RE, IT WON'T BE LONG AND WE'RE GONNA BE INTO NOVEMBER, SO I DON'T WANT A PUBLIC MEETING IN BETWEEN NOVEMBER.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR HOW MANY YEARS.
I MEAN I'M JUST BEFORE MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN NEXT MEETING.
IT'D PROBABLY BE MEETINGS WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR SOMETIME BECAUSE BY THE TIME THAT WE DO THESE OTHER LOOK AT THESE OTHER THINGS AND THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, I DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.
ANYTIME BETWEEN THANKSGIVING UNTIL JANUARY MEETING.
TRUST ME, IF IT GOES INTO FEBRUARY, I'M GOOD.
KURT, PLEASE UH, WAIT TILL YOU HEAR FROM ME AT THESE MEETINGS.
ARE WE GONNA ADD IN A COUPLE OF 3D RENDERINGS INTO DICKIE? UH, SOMETHING, A VISUAL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE HEIGHT THAT YEAH, IT JUST, I THINK IT HELPS PEOPLE.
IF YOU CAN EXPLORE THAT AND, AND DECIDE BASED UPON THE LEVEL OF, OF IT'D BE LIKE LANDSCAPER WE DONE SO FAR, WHAT CAN YOU DO? IT SHOWS, IT CAN SHOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
YOU'RE ALWAYS ABOUT TO SET A SET OF WIPERS WITH AN OIL CHANGE, AREN'T YOU
IT'S UH, THE CAVEAT ADD TO THOSE IS ALWAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL CONCEPTUAL.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET FIXED OUT.
WELL THAT'S WHAT IS THERE MAY NOT, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT HELPS.
I THINK IT, IT HELPED US WITH THE SEWAGE TANK.
TO THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE DEFINED THAN WHAT THIS MIGHT BE.
BUT I MEAN EVEN KNOWING WHERE THE CURVES AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WOULD HELP.
WELL I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HANGING IN AS WAS MENTIONED.
I THINK VERY GOOD DISCUSSIONS ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS, SO APPRECIATE THAT.