[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing August 8, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the August 12th Agenda, the below item will be discussed: Discussion regarding the City Manager search This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
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AND, UH, THE OTHER CHANGES JUST REQUIRE THE TWO CALLED
SO, JAY, IS THERE ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, AND WHETHER A NATURAL AREA AND A RIP RIPARIAN BUFFER? I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC CHANGE.
I'M GUESSING THERE'S A LEGAL OR ENGINEERING REASON FOR THAT.
SO, UM, THE NEW PERMIT CALLS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE CALL A WATERWAY NATURAL AREA.
THEY CALL IT A WATER QUALITY RIPARIAN BUFFER.
AND WE JUST NEED TO BE, HAVE THE SAME NOMENCLATURE AS THEY HAVE SO THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
THE DEFINITION REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE A LOT.
IT'S JUST THE, THE BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREAM THAT STILL HAS, UM, WEEDS AND BRUSH AND THINGS THAT GROW AND HABITATS FOR, UH, BUGS AND BUNNIES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ENGINEERING CHANGE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE VISIBLE OR MEANINGFUL TO SOMEBODY WORKING WITH IN ONE OF THESE AREAS.
SO STRICTLY A TERMINOLOGY CHANGE.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT CHAPTER 56 IN A MOMENT.
THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HANDLED THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT THAT WAS APPROVED.
THIS WILL COME BACK, OF COURSE, ON THE 26TH CONSENT.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER SECOND READING.
AND THIS IS OUR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PURCHASING POLICY, UH, SUCH THAT ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU THAT ARE OVER $25,000, WE DON'T ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT AND, AND BUREAUCRATIC.
AND SO, UH, THAT WOULD, WOULD BE CLARIFIED.
AND THEN ALSO INTERVIEWS, DEMONSTRATIONS, PRESENTATIONS ARE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE, UH, RFQ PROCESS, UM, THAT'S ALLOWED BY THE LEGISLATURE.
AND WE'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT DID, WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DROPPING SOMETHING AND HAVING AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR SOME REASON IT WAS PUT INTO PLACE.
IT, I THINK IT WAS DONE 10,000 AND UP WHEN KIRK'S SIGNING AUTHORITY WAS ONLY 10,000 UP.
AND THEN I THINK OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, KAREN AND HER TEAM FIGURED OUT IT WAS A LITTLE REDUNDANT.
BECAUSE, UM, STAFF WAS HAVING TO DO A PURCHASING ORDER IN ADDITION TO SENDING ALONG THE BOARD AGENDA ITEMS. SO, OKAY.
HOLD THE CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
I THINK IT WAS JUST CARRIE OVER OKAY.
I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING FOR IT AND SIMPLIFYING IT.
AND JUST CHECKING, APRIL HAS JOINED US.
SO, UH, THIS ITEM APRIL HAS IS OUR PROVISION OF THE PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS.
A LITTLE BIT OF MEAT HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, SOME OF IT IS JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING OUR CURRENT PRACTICES AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THAT CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES WHAT WE WANT TO OTHER ITEMS ARE A A LITTLE MORE WEIGHTY.
AND IN, IF WE NEED TO GO IN GREATER DETAIL, JUST LET ME KNOW.
BUT I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIVE YOU THE TOP LEVEL VIEW ON THESE.
THE FIRST ITEM IS OVERFILL POSITIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE PRACTICED THIS, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING IN THE PERSONNEL RULES ABOUT IT.
AND SO IT DEFINES AN OVERFILL POSITION AS BEING ONE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WE RECOGNIZE WE'VE GOT AN UPCOMING VACANCY, OR WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IN PUBLIC WORKS WHERE WE MIGHT BE AT FULL STAFFING AT ONE MOMENT, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA LAST.
AND SO KIRK WILL AUTHORIZE A POSITION, OR I THINK WE'VE DONE TWO EVEN IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TURNOVER.
AND TYPICALLY SALARY SAVINGS IS GONNA COVER THAT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, HE'S TYPICALLY TALKING WITH YOU GOOD FOLKS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND THIS SIMPLY PUTS IT IN THE PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS ON PAGE SIX OF THE DOCUMENT OF FILL POSITIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHERE I SEE IT.
AND THEN THE ENABLING LANGUAGE.
UH, THAT'S SIMPLY PROVIDING THE DEFINITION.
THE ENABLING LANGUAGE IS IN SECTION E ON PAGE 13, WHERE IT SIMPLY STATES THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY AUTHORIZE OVERFILL POSITIONS WHERE NECESSARY TO ADDRESS STAFFING SHORTAGES OR ANTICIPATED TURNOVER IN KEY POSITIONS.
BACK ON PAGE IS SEVEN AND EIGHT.
WE HAVE CLARIFICATIONS OF PROMOTION AND TRANSFER.
AND WHEREVER APRIL HAS USED THE WORD CLARIFIES ITS CURRENT PRACTICE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WORDING IS, IS CORRECT ON PAGE 18.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT TEMPORARY PROMOTIONAL APPOINTMENTS, WHEN THEY GET THAT RAISE THAT IT'S CONSIDERED, UM, ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION.
AND, AND, AND BY RAISE, IT'S SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'VE GOT A HIGHER CALIBER OF WORK THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DO, BUT IT'S NOT A PAID SUPPLEMENT.
AND THAT MATTERS TO HUMAN RESOURCES AND OUR PAY SYSTEM.
SO ON PAGE 20, WE ARE CLARIFYING THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO GO OUT ON MILITARY LEAVE, OR IF THEY HAD WORKERS' COMP OR SOMETHING HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER THEY HIRE WITHIN THEIR PROBATIONARY PERIOD
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WHILE THEY'RE OUT, THEIR PROBATIONARY PERIOD IS NOT EXPIRING.THEY PICK RIGHT BACK UP WHERE THEY LEFT OFF.
AND IT'S CUMULATIVE WORK TIME, NOT JUST THE PASSAGE OF TIME SINCE YOUR DATE OF HIRE.
CATCH ON PAGE 23, UH, CLARIFYING THAT THE END OF PROBATION RAISES THAT YOU ARE PROVIDED WHEN YOU'RE A NEW HIRE.
THAT DOES NOT APPLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PROMOTION.
YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING A RAISE FOR PROMOTION WHEN YOU DO GO ON PROBATION, WHEN YOU COME OFF, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER RAISE THAT GOES WITH THAT.
PAGE 29, WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE BUDGET SESSION.
UM, THIS IS OUR ADVANCED EMT CERTIFICATION OF PARAMEDIC PAY.
AND THE PRACTICE HAD BEEN THAT IT WAS PAID OVER THE 26 PAY PERIOD PAY CYCLE.
THIS WOULD MAKE IT ON, UH, AS A PART OF YOUR HOURS, YOUR HOURLY BASIS.
UM, THERE IS A, A BIT OF A BUDGET IMPACT AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
UH, AND THEN IT ALSO DELETES THE PORTION OF THE POLICY THAT ALLOWS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENJOY THAT SAME INCENTIVE IF THEY WERE TO GET THOSE CERTIFICATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY CURRENTLY WHO'S QUALIFIED TO DO THAT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTS THIS CHANGE TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCE.
SIMPLY PUT, IF YOU HAVE A PERIOD OF INACTIVITY, WHETHER YOU'RE FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME, OR NOT PAYING A TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCE DURING THAT TIME DURING MILITARY LEAVE, UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK, THE LEAVE THAT YOU HAD, WHETHER IT'S WHERE NOW, I'M SORRY, ON PAGE 61, SECTION J MILITARY LEAVE.
AND WE ARE CLARIFYING THAT, UM, THAT LEAVE THAT YOU HAD WILL BE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU DON'T LOSE ANYTHING.
AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER THAT, THAT POLICY WHERE YOU COULD USE SOME OF IT IF YOU'RE GONE A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT THAT'S NOT GONNA EXPIRE WHILE YOU'RE GONE.
WE ARE CLARIFYING, YOU KNOW, OUR HEALTH REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM, UH, PAGE 68, PAGE THREE ONE, I'M ON PAGE 68 WHAT? 68.
WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF BECOMING ELIGIBLE AS A RETIREE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER EMPLOYMENT, YOU HAVE TO REPORT THAT TO THE CITY.
SO WE CAN TAKE YOU OFF OF OUR HEALTHCARE PLAN AND THEN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU IF YOU FAIL TO REPORT THAT TO US.
YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CLAIMS THAT COME IN DURING THAT TIME.
THE DENTAL REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM, UM, THIS IS KIND OF CLARIFYING, MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ORTHODONTIA, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PRODUCT AND PEOPLE WOULD OFTEN LIKE TO STAGGER THAT SO THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
YOU CAN'T JUST WORK IT OUT WITH YOUR DENTIST TO MAKE ANOTHER PAYMENT AFTER THAT ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT.
SO SCHEDULE EVERYTHING ACCORDINGLY, AND WE WILL PAY ON THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU TO, TO STRING IT OUT FOR THE SAKE OF PAYMENTS.
SO THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM, WE'RE ADDING SOME FLEXIBILITY ON PAGE 76, SUCH THAT CURRENTLY THE PRACTICE IS, WE WOULD PAY UP TO SIX CREDIT HOURS FOR A TOTAL OF 18, BUT UP TO SIX PER SEMESTER OR QUARTER AND A MAXIMUM OF 18 PER YEAR.
WE'RE SIMPLY REMOVING THAT PER SEMESTER OR QUARTER AND ALLOWING IT TO BE 18 PER YEAR THAT SOME PEOPLE COULD KNOCK IT OUT ALL IN ONE SEMESTER OR STAGGER IT WITH MAYBE 12 AND SIX WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO AS THEY SEE BEST.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN ARTICLE 17 ON PAGE 82, POLICE AND FIRE HAVE ASKED US TO, UH, CONSIDER REMOVING THE 24 AND 64 HOUR PER WEEK MAXIMUM, UH, FOR FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES RESPECTIVELY.
SO THE 24 60 64, UH, THE LIMIT ON OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FIRES SCHEDULE OF, UH, 48 96 AND THEN THE 10 HOUR SHIFTS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S MORE TIME AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO WORK OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT AND SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME.
THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN STILL DO THAT, ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO IT AND STILL BE EFFECTIVE AND NOT COMPROMISE SAFETY.
SO BECAUSE IT, THAT WAS THE, THE POINT OF THAT IS TO NOT HAVE PEOPLE OVERLY FATIGUED AT WORK WHEN THEY NEED TO BE SHARP.
SO I IMAGINE THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO MANAGE THAT RATHER THAN HAVING THIS IN HERE.
AND IF IT WERE TO BECOME PROBLEMATIC, I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE, WE, WE MIGHT WANNA PUT SOME OTHER LIMITS.
THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'D RATHER JUST GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF THE LIMITS AND LET THEM TRY AND MANAGE IT.
AND IS THERE SOME SORT OF THING IN HERE SOMEWHERE OR IN THEIR OWN SPECIFIC BRAG ABOUT FITNESS FOR DUTY OR SOME SORT OF THING IN TERMS OF SHOWING UP TO WORK, READY TO WORK, THEY WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO, TO MANAGE THAT IF THEY WERE GETTING TOO DISTRACTED OR TOO FATIGUED FROM SIDE GIG.
I, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS AS FAR WITH, WITH REGARD TO FITNESS FOR DUTY.
APRIL, DO YOU, CAN YOU ELABORATE AT ALL SPECIFICALLY? I KNOW FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CONCERN
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THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT UM, ONLY BECAUSE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.UH, CUMULATIVE DAYS THAT THEY'RE OFF, UM, ROLL CALL EVERY MORNING, THAT'S WHEN THEY ASSESS THE ALERTNESS OF ALL OF THEIR POLICE OFFICERS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO WE HAVE A MECHANISM, SO WE REALLY DON'T NEED THIS BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO MANAGE IT.
SO THIS ISN'T IN ANY WAY LOWERING OUR STANDARD.
THIS IS JUST OFFERING A, A A, A STREAMLINED WORKPLACE THAT ALLOWS US TO KEEP OUR STANDARD MORE EFFECTIVELY.
THAT WOULD NEVER PASS ROLL CALL EARLY IN THE MORNING.
IT TAKES ME A COUPLE OF HOURS TO GET IT TOGETHER.
AND OTHER CHANGES ARE REALLY MORE DI MINIMIS IN NATURE AND DIDN'T REALLY, UM, MERIT OUR CONVERSATION HERE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, STUCK.
ITEM THREE IS, UH, APPROVAL AND EXTENSION WITH ALTERNATIVE ENERGY PRODUCTS.
THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT'S BEEN DOING OUR ONSITE GRINDING AND HAULING OF OUR RESIDENTIAL WOOD WASTE.
ITS COMPANY HAS BEEN PERFORMING VERY WELL FOR THE CITY AND THEY'VE GIVEN US A MORE THAN COMPETITIVE PRICE.
WE REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY THREE VENDORS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THE LICENSING AND THE CAPABILITY TO DO THIS WORK.
TODD REACHED OUT TO THE OTHER TWO, UH, DID NOT GET A RESPONSE FROM ONE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT DID RESPOND, WHICH IS A COMPANY OUT OF MURFREESBORO QUEENS TREE SURGERY, UH, THEY PROVIDED AN ALL-INCLUSIVE PRICE OF $6 AND 45 CENTS PER CUBIC, UM, YARD.
AND A EP IS PROVIDING $5 AND 25 CENTS PER CUBIC YARD.
AND TODD IS RECOMMENDING, UM, EXTENSION OF THIS.
THIS WILL, UH, APPROVE THEM UP TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT $120,000 IN THE BUDGET THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR LANDFILL FEES THAT THEN GO TO THIS.
SO WE COULD USE UP TO THAT AMOUNT, BUT IT'S BASED, BASED ON VOLUME.
AND JUST TO NOTE THAT IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, A A WAIVER OF FORMAL COMPETITIVE BIDDING, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO THIS.
NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE ALL IN THE TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT.
FIRST ITEM IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH CANE CONNECTIONS.
LLC AS KANE WAS DOING FIBER REDETERMINATION WORK IN OUR CITY FACILITIES, THEY CAME ACROSS ADDITIONAL SECTIONS OF FIBER THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
IT WAS MORE THAN WE EXPECTED AND THERE WAS 450 FEET OF FIBER THAT HAD TO BE ADDED, WHICH BRINGS THE CHANGE ORDER TO 7,000 726 50.
AND SARAH'S REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.
ITEMS FIVE AND SIX ARE BOTH GIVING YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO USE THE RFP PROCESS OR COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS.
THE FIRST ITEM IS WITH REGARD TO UPGRADING OUR 12-YEAR-OLD PHONE SYSTEM.
WE DO NEED SOME OUTSIDE HELP IN DOING THAT AND SARAH WOULD, UH, PREFER BECAUSE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE OF THE COMPANIES IS VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT PROCESS.
AND IT'LL BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU ONCE AN RFP RESPONDENT HAS BEEN A FIRM HAS BEEN SELECTED.
SO JAY, HOW MANY PHONE SYSTEMS DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE JUST ONE THAT'S FOR EVERYTHING, INCLUDING ECD OR DO WE HAVE MULTIPLES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES THAT T MONKEY K WITH EACH OTHER? ONE PHONE SYSTEM TO MY KNOWLEDGE SARAH.
ONE, BUT WE DO HAVE ALMOST A SEPARATE SYSTEM FOR ECD, SO THAT WE HAVE ALSO A TER SECONDARY TERTIARY BACKUP FOR OUR PHONE SYSTEM FOR ECD.
BUT THE, THIS PHONE SYSTEM WILL BE FOR ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AND MM-HMM.
SO IT'S KIND OF FEELING LIKE WE UPGRADED THE PHONE SYSTEM FOR THE ECD WHEN WE MOVED IT OVER.
SO THIS WON'T AFFECT, IT'LL JUST BE THE REST OF US.
SO THEY'RE JUST INTERCONNECTED SOMEHOW, BUT NOT CORRECT.
AND SARAH, WOULD THIS RESULT IN NEW DESKTOP PHONES? THOSE WOULD BE PURCHASED SEPARATELY? MM-HMM.
UM, THAT IT'LL JUST BE MORE THE BACKEND.
BUT BUT WE WOULD GET DIFFERENT LOOKING DESKTOP PHONES.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT BUILT INTO THIS PHONE.
WE, WE'VE JOKED, IF YOU WATCH EPISODES OF THE OFFICE, THEY'RE THE SAME PHONES THAT WE HAVE AND THAT SHOW'S 20 YEARS OLD.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE ACTUAL PHONE, THE HARDWARE WILL CONNECT WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE.
YES, WE DO NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
DO NEED TO REPLACE PHONE SOON, BUT THEY, BUT IT'S NOT A BE ALL END ALL RIGHT.
SARAH, DOES THIS RUN PRIMARILY ON OUR INTRANET? UH, IT'S ALL ON OUR OWN NETWORK.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHO HAS HANDS ON OUR FIBER.
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OUR OUTAGE THAT WE HAD, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH FIBER AND USING THE RFP PROCESS, UM, WOULD BE BEST WHEN IT COMES TO REPLACEMENT OF THE FIBER OUT IN THE, THE ROADWAYS AND ALSO AT OUR INTERSECTIONS.WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT TO FIND A FIRM THAT WILL DO THIS CHANGE OUT OF A LOT OF OUR FIBER.
IN MANY CASES WE'RE UPGRADING FROM LIKE 48 TO 96 PAIR FIBER.
UM, BUT ASKING YOUR PERMISSION TO DO AN RFP SINCE WE'RE VOTING ON THIS AND IT'LL GO IN RECORD.
DID YOU MAKE THE CHANGE ON THE THIRD BULLET? WE HAVEN'T YET.
UM, INSTEAD OF COMPORT ROAD FROM FRANKLIN ROAD TO PRAIRIE LANE, IT SHOULD BE FRANKLIN ROAD FROM CALIFORNIA.
YOU CATCH ITEM SEVEN IS A RE REQUEST TO PURCHASE TWO POWERED SERVERS.
UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE A FIVE YEAR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR EACH SERVER.
AND THIS WAS PROVIDED FOR IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET, UH, EARLIER THIS SPRING PURCHASE WOULD BE FROM WAYPOINT.
ITEM EIGHT WOULD BE THE PURCHASE OF TWO PALO ALTO FIREWALLS FROM PRESIDIO, PRESIDIO OF THE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH.
PREVIOUSLY THESE WERE A SA FIREWALLS OR CURRENTLY THEY'RE A SA FIREWALLS.
WE WOULD BE GOING WITH PALO ALTO, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF TRANSITIONED THE SYSTEM OVER TO.
AND THESE ARE FOR THE TWO FIBER CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF FRANKLIN.
UM, PRICING IS AVAILABLE ON THE GSA CONTRACT FROM PRESIDIO.
THIS IS A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE WITH THIS CONNECTIVITY AND JUST GIVEN SOME PREVIOUS PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD WITH SOMEBODY KIND OF GETTING IN OUR SYSTEM, NOT DOING ANYTHING BUT GETTING IN.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH THIS CONNECTIVITY OF LIKE SECURITY AND ARE WE VULNERABLE? DOES FRANKLIN HAVE PALO ALTO? THEY ALSO DO TOO.
SO, AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THEM BETWEEN US SO THAT WE CAN CONTROL THEIR TRAFFIC CONNECTED US AND THEY CAN CONTROL US GOING INTO THEIR NETWORK TOO.
HOW ABOUT JUST CONNECTED TWO CITIES LIKE IT? THERE'S NOT A LOT.
IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH, UM, BEING ABLE TO TRANSFER OUR DISPATCH OVER TO THE COUNTY AND, UM, SO THERE, THERE'S NOT A LAB THAT'S CONNECTED.
I, I'LL, I CAN GET YOU A BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT ONE.
COULD YOU? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I, I ASSUMED THE DISPATCH WAS THE MAIN THING, BUT JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT ELSE WE'RE CONNECTED.
ITEM NINE CONCERNS THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND A CHANGE OF NAME FOR BRINKMANN'S LIQUOR STORE, WHICH IS OVER OFF OF FRANKLIN ROBE.
IT'S MORE LIKE THOROUGHBRED AS YOU KNOW, THAT PARCEL GOES OUT TO FRANKLIN.
YOU CAN GET BOTH YOUR NEEDS SATISFIED THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS REQUIRED, UH, BY THE TENNESSEE A, B, C THAT YOU CERTIFY THAT THEY MEET THESE THREE THINGS AND HOLLY HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND UH, THIS WILL FACILITATE THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE GO AHEAD AND TRY AND MAP OUT OUR MEETINGS FOR NEXT YEAR AND HOLLY HAS PROVIDED THOSE.
THE ONLY ONE OFF IS OUR TYPICAL TUESDAY MEETING THAT WE HELD THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY ON THE 27TH INSTEAD OF THE 26TH.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO WITH OUR MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, WE TYPICALLY DON'T MEET ON, UH, THE SECOND DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, BUT IF WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
ANY CHANGE TO THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SENT OUT? UH, NO SIR.
I APPRECIATE THE NCAA PLANNING AROUND OUR MEETINGS SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR GAMES ON OUR RIGHT.
UH, ITEM 11 IS, UH, THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING FOR OUR BUDGET MEETINGS.
GOING, GOING AHEAD AND MAPPING THOSE OUT KEY DATES FOR YOU, UH, OR FOR ME, MARCH 31ST, 2025.
POINT OUT THAT IS POST KIRK LEAVING.
SO THAT'S A BIG DATE IN MY FUTURE.
UM, GETTING THE CIP TO YOU GUYS ON THE 31ST AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT ON APRIL 10TH.
WE WILL DISTRIBUTE THE BUDGET TO YOU ON MAY 7TH, COME TOGETHER ON THE 15TH TO DISCUSS IT.
AND THEN FINAL ADOPTION WILL BE ON JUNE 23RD JOB.
I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL GETTING THESE STATES TO US SIX MONTHS I THINK.
OH, AND, AND WE'LL MAKE A NOTE TO MAKE THAT OUR, OUR OUR FUTURE PRACTICE.
HOLLY SENDS US OUT THE CALENDAR REMINDERS THAT MAKE IT EASY FOR US TO PUT IT IN THERE.
DO BUSINESS ITEM ONE AND I CAN SEE HERE.
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WONDERFUL.THIS IS THE CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED AT CHAPTER 56, THE MORE WEIGHTY CHANGES TO OUR CODE, UH, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR MS FOUR STORMWATER PERMIT.
AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DEREK FIRST.
DEREK, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANTS, THEY'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE CHANGES, RIGHT.
UM, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, THE TENNESSEE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT CONSERVATION CHANGED THEIR CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT AND RULES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
WE HAD TWO YEARS TO GET OUR ORDINANCE UPDATED, OPERATION MAINTENANCE PLANS AND ALL KIND OF STUFF SO THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF ALL THAT WORK.
UM, ALL OF OUR TEAM HAS BEEN ON THIS, INCLUDING OUR CONSULTANTS.
UM, KEVIN BLACKBURN, I JUST, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE KEVIN.
YOU GUYS MAY HAVE MET, YOU MAY NOT.
HE'S THE CITY, ONE OF THE CITY ENGINEERS IN DEVELOPMENT.
JORDAN COLE HAS IS A NEW, IS OUR NEW STAFF ENGINEER.
HE'S BEEN HIRED TO HELP SARAH CATHERINE TODY, WHO'S OVER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND STORM WATER.
SARAH CATHERINE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS PROGRAM AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER, IN FACT, SO THAT SHE CAN INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANTS TO OH, GREAT.
CAN KEVIN SAY SOMETHING ABOUT STAR WARS BEFORE
WASN'T THAT COOL? THAT WAS A COOL ARTICLE.
I IMAGINE THAT AN ENGINEER BEING SOMEWHAT OF A NERD
UH, WE'LL BE GOING OVER CHAPTER 56, WHICH IS OUR FLOODPLAIN AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
AND CEC DID ALL OF OUR REWRITE.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, THAT THEY'RE VERY SPECIALIZED IN IT.
SO WE'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARD AND I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO JEANETTE AND CHRISTINE.
DO THEY HAVE OUR SIDES? SARAH, OUR LOGO, SIR, WE DO HAVE SLIDES WE CAN TRY.
UH, I'M JEANETTE WILL FROM WITH CEC I'M A PRINCIPAL.
UM, THERE, I'VE BEEN WITH CEC FOR 18 YEARS.
WE SPECIALIZE IN STORMWATER COMPLIANCE.
UM, THIS IS CHRISTINE GUY BAKER.
I'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO, I, I'M CHRISTINE GUY BAKER.
I'VE BEEN WORKING AT CEC FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS NOW, AND I'M A PROJECT MANAGER THERE.
AND I WORK, UM, PRIMARILY WITH MUNICIPALITIES ON STORMWATER AND COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR PERMITS BASICALLY.
SO, SO CHRISTINE HAS BEEN DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK ON THE ORDINANCE REVISION, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER HER TO RUN THE PRESENTATION.
OKAY, SO, SO FIRST I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, CHAPTER BY CHAPTER WHAT CHANGES WE MADE AND KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT NECESSITATED THE CHANGES.
SO THE MAIN REASON WHY WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO PERMITS THAT CAME FROM TDEC THAT WERE UPDATED TO THAT MADE SOME CHANGES TO HOW THEY WERE INTERPRETED BASICALLY.
SO YOU HAVE THE T DECK CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT, WHICH BASICALLY COVERS, UM, UM, ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT OCCURS THAT DISTURBS MORE THAN AN ACRE.
AND, UM, IT'S MORE INVOLVING MAKING SURE THAT SEGMENT DOESN'T LEAVE SITES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT AFFECTING WATER QUALITY DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE T DECK GENERAL SMALL MS FOUR PERMIT, WHICH IS MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM WATER, STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, AND THAT MAINLY DEALS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOW TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM AND LIKE ALSO DEALING WITH PERMANENT STORM WATER.
SO AFTER CONSTRUCTION AS CEASED AND GRASSES STARTED, LIKE HOW ARE YOU MANAGING THE QUALITY OF THE STORM WATER AS IT LEAVES THE SITE? THEN, UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR PERMITS THAT KIND OF PUT TOGETHER IN THIS SECTION.
AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOW UP TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW PERMITS.
UM, SO THE MAIN REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THAT WHEN THE, UM, MS FOUR PERMIT CAME OUT, THEY GAVE, UM, 24 MINUTE, 24 MINUTES, 24 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAD, UM, UPDATED YOUR ORDINANCE AND YOUR, ALL OF YOUR MECHANISMS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING PUT TOGETHER BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2024.
UM, AND THE MAIN THING THAT IS REALLY, I GUESS, CHANGING IN THE ORDINANCE IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PERMANENT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS JUST, UM, JUST MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS CEASED, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MECHANISM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SEDIMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST NATURAL SEDIMENT THAT OCCURS FROM, LIKE, THE MAIN ONE THAT I THINK YOU PROBABLY SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS MAYBE LIKE AS ASPHALT KIND OF, UM, DETERIORATES, IT CREATES SMALL LITTLE SEDIMENT PARTICLES AND IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GET INTO THE STREAM SO THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE SITE THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS, UM, TREATED BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE STREAM SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN THING
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THAT WE'RE HOPING TO CHANGE HERE.SO, SO THE MAIN CHAPTER 56 CHANGES, I'M GONNA GO OVER THOSE.
UM, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION SYSTEM, UM, SECTION OF THE, UM, CHAPTER BECAUSE THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN REVISED AND THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
SO WE'RE MAINLY DEALING WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THE ENCROACHING CONTROL PORTION.
YOU SAID THIS IS ALL FOR ABOVE ONE ACRE? UM, IT'S ONE ACRE OR MORE ONE ACRE PER THE CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT.
UM, AND WE'LL KIND OF GO INTO WHICH, WHAT, WHEN THINGS ARE APPLIED.
UM, SO, UM, BECAUSE YOU ARE, SORRY.
YEAH, ALONG THOSE LINES, I MEAN, SO LIKE IN BRENTWOOD WE AVERAGE AN ACRE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF AREAS O-O-S-R-D WHERE ANY GIVEN SITE IS LESS THAN AN ACRE.
SO JUST, SO THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO OSRD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOUR, YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCE GOES NARROWER THAN THAT.
THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS ONE ACRE OR MORE, BUT YOU ARE WITHIN YOUR RIGHT AS AN MS FOUR AND DO ALREADY REGULATE LESS THAN ONE ACRE SITES TO A VARYING DEGREE.
BUT TEC ONLY REQUIRES THAT IT IS DONE FOR ONE ACRE OR MORE, BUT WE'LL TOUCH ON THIS.
IN FACT, YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW THAT WE NOW HAVE THE, FOR THE, TO TAKE CARE OF THESE REBUILDS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
ANYTHING MORE THAN ONLY 800 SQUARE FEET HAS TO COME TO US TO GET A GRADING PERMIT AND WE MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A EROSION CONTROL.
SO FOR OUR PURPOSES IT IS WE CAN BASE ON STRUCTURE SIDES AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO THEN DO THESE CHANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, CARRY IT BACK TO THAT BECAUSE OF THAT? OR IS THIS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT IN THAT SUBSET, A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CODE? YES, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE FORMER IS ADDRESSING ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY T DECK, UH, INVOLVING PROPERTIES OF ONE ACRE OR MORE, OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LESS THAN AN ACRE, BUT PART OF AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S MORE THAN FIVE ACRES.
SO EVEN A HALF ACRE LOT IN A SUBDIVISION STILL FALLS UNDER THESE REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, SO, UM, BASICALLY THIS SECTION THAT IS ON HERE IS JUST COVERING THAT IS, SO THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE.
SO THERE'S WHEN A GRADING PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED, AND THEN THERE IS LIKE WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, LIKE REDUCE THE QUANTITY OF WATER THAT LEAVES THEIR SITE.
AND THEN THERE'S WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE STORM WATER QUALITY MEASURES, WHICH MAKES SURE THAT THAT SEDIMENT ISN'T LEAVING THE SITE AFTER POST-CONSTRUCTION.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE BUCKETS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF PUT DEVELOPMENTS IN.
SO THIS ONE IS TALKING ABOUT WHENEVER THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A GRADING PERMIT.
AND SO, UM, BASICALLY THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, OR IN THIS FOR OUR UPDATES IS THAT WE PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS.
SO THEY'RE GETTING A GRADING PERMIT IF THEY'RE DOING DISTURBING ACTIVITIES EXCEPT FOR THE FOLLOWING USES.
OR IF THESE FOLLOWING USES ARE, UH, GO OVER AN ACRE, THEN THEY ARE GOING TO PULL A GRADING PERMIT.
SO, UM, SO THESE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS TO IT, BUT AS LONG AS THEY STAY UNDER AN ACRE.
SO YOU'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
UM, SO, UM, RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS, UM, ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, PUBLIC UTILITIES, ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION, AG USES OR LAWNS, GARDENS OR LANDSCAPING.
NOW IF ANY OF THOSE ACTIVITIES GO OVER AN ACRE, THEN THEY'RE STILL GETTING A GRADING PERMIT AND THERE'S GONNA BE ALSO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THERE.
UM, THIS ALSO COVERS BACK TO WHAT DEREK WAS SAYING, IF IT'S PART OF A COMMON PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT OR SALE, WHICH IS JUST A FANCY WORD OF SAYING IF THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE IS DIFFERENT OWNERS, IF IT'S HAPPENING NEARBY AT THE SAME TIME AND IT GOES OVER AN ACRE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A GRADING PERMIT AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS COVERING.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST BULLET HERE, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY ABOVE THE PERMIT MINIMUM.
SO THE CGP THAT WAS PASSED, UM, ALLOWED FOR DISTURBANCES TO GO OVER 50 ACRES.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS A VERY BIG UNDERTAKING FOR YOUR STAFF AND FOR, AND IT'S JUST USUALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
UM, THINGS CAN BE, UM, PHASED SUCH THAT THEY CAN BE UNDER 50 ACRES AND STILL GET THE JOB DONE.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT LIMITS IT TO 50 ACRES AT ONE TIME.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY COULDN'T PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY GO OVER THAT AMOUNT, BUT WHAT WOULD, WOULD, WHAT IT'S, IT'S SAYING BASICALLY IS THAT AT ONE TIME YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 50 ACRES.
SO IT COULD BE A ROLLING 50 ACRES SO THAT AT ONE TIME THEY'RE ONLY DOING 50, BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD GET TO THE OTHER AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT AND GET IT FINISHED.
UM, SO BASICALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO
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CAP THAT SO THAT THE STAFF CAN HANDLE AND LIMIT WHAT THEY'RE HAVING TO CONTROL.LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING AT THIS POINT.
UH, SEPTEMBER IS THE DEADLINE FOR, SO NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN ENFORCED DURING THESE LAST FOUR YEARS.
WELL, THIS WILL BE NEWLY ENFORCED IN SEPTEMBER OR HAS IT BEEN ENFORCED? THERE HAVE SOME, THERE HAVE BEEN REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST THAT WE ARE UPDATING THOSE TO BE IN FURTHER IN COMPLIANCE.
LIKE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING GRADING PERMITS FOR SITES.
LIKE THERE WAS ALREADY REGULATIONS IN PLACE FOR SITES THAT WERE OVER AN ACRE AND THEY WERE ALREADY DOING EVEN MORE THAN THAT, WHICH WOULD BE SITES THAT WERE BELOW AN ACRE.
WHAT WE'RE MAINLY DOING, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS LAST BULLET IS BRAND NEW.
UM, AND THEN THE BULLET THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE IS MAINLY JUST, IT WAS KIND OF UNCLEAR WHEN A BREEDING PERMIT WAS REQUIRED THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLARIFY IN A WAY THAT IS MEETS THE REGULATION AND ALSO PROVIDES THEM A FRAMEWORK TO BE LIKE, YES, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO A GRADING PERMIT.
AND THIS IS WHY I, I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW AS WE GO THROUGH WHAT IS REAL TIME BEING ENFORCED AND WHAT WILL BE A NEW PHASE THAT WE WILL BE STARTING TO HAVE TO ENFORCE AND ARE THE LOCAL DEVELOPERS FAMILIAR WITH THESE CHANGES? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO DO AN EDUCATION PROGRAM SAYING, HEY, ARE YOU UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT FROM YOU? BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO WALK IN AND BE SURPRISED.
SO THE, THE DISTURBANCE IS LIMITED TO 50 ACRES AT ANY ONE TIME WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE 2016 CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT.
SO THAT WAS REGULATION UP UNTIL NOW, THE 2021 CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT CHANGED THAT FROM A REQUIREMENT TO A RECOMMENDATION.
THE CITY OF WICK WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT AS A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE'VE ADDED THE LANGUAGE IN THERE TO MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT, WHICH OF COURSE DIFFERS FROM THE 2021 CGP WHERE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S NOTHING NEW THAT YOUR DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
IT'S JUST NOW STATED BECAUSE IT'S A DISCREPANCY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, RIGOROUS.
IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT COMMISSIONER JUST A BIT.
ALL OF THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
IN FACT, THEY WERE, UM, DEBATED IN COURT BY THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I THINK ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2016 MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS NOTHING THAT THE DEVELOPERS DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
AND, AND IT'S A BROAD, UM, BRUSH REGULATION CHANGE FOR ALL COMMUNITIES IN TENNESSEE.
AND WE HAVE MADE CERTAIN THAT EVEN THOUGH BRENTWOOD HOLDS TO A STRICTER STANDARD, THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY UNDUE BURDENS ON DEVELOPERS THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE NOT DOING EITHER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING OUR ORDINANCE IN LINE WITH, WITH OTHERS, UH, SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SURPRISED THAT, OH MY GOSH.
THEY'RE DOING MUCH MORE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT.
WE'RE NOT DOING THAT EXCEPT FOR A FEW OF THESE CASES WHEREBY WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO GO OUT CLEAR CUT GRADE 100 ACRES AT A TIME, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOW ALLOWED BY T DECK.
WE FELT LIKE WE WANT TO KEEP THAT BACK TO 50 AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
BUT, UH, WE, WHAT THEY ARE GONNA ADDRESS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NEW AND THOSE THINGS THAT WILL BE, UH, CHANGED WITH THIS PERMIT.
SO I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WERE ALREADY HAVE HAD BUFFERS THAT WERE IN PLACE.
THEY WERE CALLED WATERWAY NATURAL AREAS IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, CHAPTER THAT YOU HAD.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN THIS SECTION AND MIRRORED WHAT THE PERMIT HAS.
AND SO THE PERMIT REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE BUFFERS ON STREAM AREAS.
AND THE BUFFER AREA VARIES BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE STREAM IS IMPAIRED FOR SILTATION SEDIMENTATION, WHICH BASICALLY JUST MEANS LIKE IF IT ALREADY HAS AN ISSUE WITH SILTATION OR SEDIMENTATION, IT REQUIRES MORE OF A BUFFER.
AND SO I THINK THAT MAYBE PREVIOUSLY THE REQUIREMENT WAS BASED OFF OF DRAINAGE AREA FOR YOU GUYS, WHICH WAS AN A ALLOW IN THE PREVIOUS PERMIT.
SO IT HAD IT IF IT WAS GREATER THAN AN AC OR GREATER THAN ONE SQUARE MILE DRAINAGE AREA THAN YOU WERE AT THE 60 AND 30 FEET.
AND IF YOU WERE LESS THAN ONE SQUARE SQUARED MILE DRAINAGE AREA, YOU WERE AT 30 AND 15, WHICH WAS ALLOWED BY THE PREVIOUS PERMIT.
BUT NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IS KIND OF MATCH THE PERMIT THAT IS CURRENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR AND CONCISE.
AND THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY SEE ACROSS ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE AREA BECAUSE THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENT, THIS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
SO ANYTIME, UM, A DEVELOPMENT IS GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO ONE ACRE, OR IT'S PART OF COMMON PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL, UM, DISTURB MORE THAN AN ACRE.
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UM, IF THEIR STREAM IS, UM, NOT IMPAIRED FOR SATION OR SEGMENTATION, THEY WOULD HAVE A 30 FOOT AVERAGE AND A 15 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER.IF IT IS IMPAIRED FOR THAT SILTATION AND SEDIMENTATION, OR IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL TENNESSEE WATER, WHICH, UM, TYPICALLY MEANS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A, SOME SORT OF ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THE WATER OR THERE'S SOME OTHER, UM, THING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT WATER THAT THEY REALLY WANNA PROTECT IT, UM, FROM T DECK, THEN, UM, THEN IT WOULD HAVE A 60 FOOT AVERAGE AND A 30 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER.
AND THIS IS DURING CONSTRUCTION BUFFERS.
UM, SO THEN THERE'S ALSO PERMANENT BUFFERS.
AND, AND THIS IS GONNA LOOK BASICALLY EXACTLY THE SAME.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT WITH THIS SLIDE AT ALL IS THAT YOU HAVE THIS HABITAT ALTERATION.
SO NOW IF FOR A PERMANENT BUFFER, IF IT IS, UM, HABITAT ALTERED, UM, IMPAIRMENT, THEN IT WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE 60 FOOT AND 30 FOOT BUFFER.
AND THE REASON WHY THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT IS, IS THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO PERMITS THAT THE, THE LANGUAGE WAS, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO LANGUAGES.
THE CONSTRUCTION BUFFER VERSUS THE PERMANENT BUFFER.
THE PERMANENT BUFFER HAD TO HAVE THIS HABITAT ALTERATION, SILTATION SEDIMENTATION LANGUAGE IN IT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS AGREED UPON WITH THE LAWSUIT BETWEEN TECK AND THE HOME BUILDERS.
SO WHEN THEY GOT TOGETHER, WHEN THE PERMIT WAS FIRST CHALLENGED BY THE HOME BUILDERS, THEY SAID, WE DON'T LIKE ANYTHING IN THIS.
OKAY, T DECK PULLED OUT THE PERMANENT STORMWATER CONTROL AND THE PERMANENT WATER QUALITY BUFFERS, AND THEY WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF, I GUESS MEDIATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNER HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND T DECK.
AND THEY AGREED UPON THIS LANGUAGE.
THIS WAS THE AGREED UPON LANGUAGE.
SO THIS LANGUAGE HAD TO APPEAR IN THE PERMIT.
THE INTENT WAS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS THE SAME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BUFFER TO THE PERMANENT BUFFER.
IT IS WITH THAT EXCEPTION OF THE HABITAT ALTERATION.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR PERMANENT BUFFERS PER THE MS FOUR PERMIT.
I DIDN'T CATCH IT IN THIS CONTEXT.
HOW IS HABITAT DEFINED? I MEAN, IS IT A HABITAT FOR A SPECIFIC SPECIES OR CATEGORY OF SPECIES? IS IT HABITAT? IT CAN BE ANY NUMBER SPECIES.
EVERYTHING'S A HABITAT FOR SOMETHING.
IT'S A DESIGNATION GIVEN BY TE, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO DETERMINE.
TECK DETERMINES IT, AND THEN THE STREAM IS CLASSIFIED AS IMPAIRED FOR HABITAT ALTERATION.
BUT IT CAN'T BE ANY NUMBER OF SPECIES FROM LAND.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE BLUE LINE STREAM, IT'S A SPECIFIC DEFINITION.
IT'S ON OR MAP SOMEWHERE IN THE DEVELOPER.
SEE, TT DECK MAINTAINS A 3 0 3 D LIST AND AN ONLINE RGI IS WEBSITE.
SO SOMEONE READING THIS WOULD KNOW THAT? YES.
SO THAT IS THE WATER QUALITY RIGHT HERE, BUFFER SECTION.
UM, AND, AND IN ADDITION, UM, WITH THE MS FOUR PERMIT, THEY PROVIDED PERMISSIBLE LAND USES WITHIN THE WATER QUALITY RIP BUFFERS THAT COULD BE PLACED IN THERE.
AND THIS IS NOT, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.
UM, THESE WERE PERMISSIBLE USES IN THE PREVIOUS PERMIT, BUT IT KIND OF, UM, I THINK IT GOT A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER ON WHAT WHAT COULD BE IN THESE PERMANENT BUFFERS.
AND A LOT OF THESE WILL KIND OF MAKE SENSE.
IT'S THINGS THAT FREQUENTLY WOULD NEED TO BE LOCATED NEAR A STREAM OR WOULD BE BENEFICIAL NEAR A STREAM.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE GREENWAYS VIKING TRAILS, WALKING TRAILS.
UM, A NEW ONE IS INFILTRATION BASED SCMS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT SCMS ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND KIND OF GET INTO A DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, ROAD AND UTILITY CROSSINGS AND SELECTIVE LANDSCAPING OR HABITAT IMPROVEMENT.
SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE PERMANENT BUFFER AS A PERMISSIBLE USE.
SO NOW I NEED TO GET INTO THE, WHAT THE DEFINITION OF AN SCM IS.
SO, UM, AN SCM IS A STORM WATER CONTROL MEASURE.
UM, AND THIS KIND OF ALL GOES INTO PERMANENT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS THE, I WOULD SAY THE MOST MAJOR CHANGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IN THESE CHAPTERS.
UM, SO BASICALLY AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS CEASED, MAKING SURE THAT THAT SEDIMENT IS TREATED ON SITE.
UM, SO THERE ARE PERMANENT PRACTICES AND MEASURES DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE DISCHARGE OR POLLUTANTS FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND THEN HERE I HAVE JUST SOME PICTURES.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THESE AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY AROUND TOWN IN, IN FRANKLIN, PROBABLY EVEN IN METRO TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
SO ON THIS LEFT SIDE, YOU, YOU SEE AN AREA THAT'S KIND OF HEAVILY PLANTED.
THESE ARE CALLED BIORETENTION AREAS.
SO UNDERNEATH THIS, IT HAS SOME SORT OF FILTRATION MEDIA THAT TREATS THE, UM, WATER AS IT FILTRATES DOWN.
UM, AND THEN HERE AT THE BOTTOM HERE YOU HAVE PERMEABLE PAVERS.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO A BIO RETENTION AREA EXCEPT FOR BASICALLY AS THE WATER FLOWS OVER THESE PAVERS, IT INFILTRATES DOWN AND THEN THERE'S GRAVEL UNDERNEATH THIS.
AND THAT TREATS THE WATER AS IT FLOWS DOWN.
UM, THIS TOP ONE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE TO SEE, BECAUSE USUALLY THERE IS A TOP OVER THIS, AND THEN YOU SEE A PRETTY LITTLE MANHOLE COVER.
BUT THIS IS LIKE A DEVICE THAT IS,
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UM, MANUFACTURED BY LIKE DIFFERENT COMPANIES.AND THESE LITTLE CARTRIDGES THAT ARE IN HERE ACT AS LITTLE MINI FILTRATION CENTERS.
AND SO THE WATER FLOWS INTO THIS, IT GETS FILTERED WITH THESE LITTLE CARTRIDGES, AND THEN IT FLOWS OUT, BUT YOU LARGELY CAN'T SEE IT.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS AN INFILTRATION TRENCH, VERY SIMILAR TO ALL OF THESE THREE BOTTOM MEASURES.
AS WATER FLOWS OVER IT, IT FLOWS INTO LIKE DIFFERENT GRAVEL, UH, MEDIA, AND THEN THAT FILTERS THE WATER NATURALLY BEFORE IT DISCHARGES INTO A STREAM.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT OF WHAT S SCMS ARE, AND THIS IS GONNA BE PROBABLY THE MOST MAJOR CHANGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, SO THIS KIND OF GOES INTO WHEN, WELL, WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT? UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO IS REALLY CLARIFY WHEN WATER QUANTITY CONTROL AND QUALITY CONTROL WERE REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENTS.
SO QUANTITY CONTROL, YOU GUYS WERE ALREADY DOING THIS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT I, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO CLARIFY WHEN THEY HAD TO DO IT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS MADE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY DISTURB GREATER THAN AN ACRE OR IF IT'S PART OF A COMMON PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND IT DISTURBS OVER AN ACRE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA DO QUANTITY CONTROL, WHICH BASICALLY JUST MEANS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU DEVELOP A SITE, YOU PUT MORE IMPERVIOUS AREAS ON THE SITE THAT CAUSES THE WATER TO NOT BE ABLE TO SOAK INTO THE GROUND, WHICH INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT LEAVES THE SITE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOME SORT OF MEASURE LIKE AT THE TENSION POND.
ALSO, THESE S SCMS CAN HELP REDUCE THOSE FLOW RATES AS WELL.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE THEM USE THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH A, A DETENTION POND, AND BASICALLY YOU'RE REDUCING THOSE PEAK FLOW RATES TO BACK WHEN IT WAS JUST A GRASSY AREA.
SO THAT'S NOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING NOW.
IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS, IS SUPER CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT.
UM, THE QUALITY TREATMENT IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT NEW AND THERE'S A MORE, MORE DEFINITION AS TO WHAT IS REQUIRED WITH THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHEN IT'S REQUIRED, WE'RE MIRRORING THE QUA QUANTITY CONTROL THAT IT'S REQUIRED WITH DISTURBANCES GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO AN ACRE OR PART OF COMMON PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR SALE.
ONE THING THAT THE CITY CHOSE, UM, TO ADD ON HERE IS THAT IF IT'S A NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO THINK COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, AND IT ALREADY DISCHARGES INTO A WATER THAT'S IMPAIRED FOR FACILITATION.
SO IT ALREADY HAS ISSUES WITH SILTATION AND YOU KNOW, JUST AGAIN, THAT'S DEFINED BY T-E-C-T-E-C DEFINES WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WATERS ARE, UM, IMPAIRED FOR SILTATION.
THOSE SITES SPECIFICALLY, EVEN IF THEY ARE UNDER AN ACRE, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO QUALITY TREATMENT.
AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THESE STREAMS INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO LIKE, LET'S GET THEM OFF THE 3 0 3 D LIST, LET'S LIKE, HELP THE WATER QUALITY AND TRY TO BE STEADFAST IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE AREA AND MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, SO THAT'S A THOUGHT PROCESS THERE THAT IS ABOVE THE PERMIT MINIMUM.
BUT I THINK THAT, UM, IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL AND IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING SUPER DIFFICULT FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MEET.
AND IT, AND THEN AGAIN, AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER BONUS.
WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION? WHAT TYPE OF FILTRATION SYSTEM THEY USE, WHETHER IT'S A CARTRIDGE OR A BIO, UM, DETENTION POND, WHATEVER.
UM, SO BASICALLY IT'S AT THE ENGINEER'S DISCRETION.
I'LL SHOW AT THE, THE VERY LAST SLIDE PROVIDES WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT VOLUME THEY HAVE TO TREAT, AND BASICALLY THE VOLUME OF WATER IS DEFINED BY WHAT TREATMENT MECHANISM THE ENGINEER SELECTS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS IT, IT'LL VARY ON EACH SITE BECAUSE SOME SITES ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING CERTAIN TYPES OF TREATMENT.
LIKE LET'S THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS HIGH BEDROCK.
THEY WOULD BE CAPABLE OF INFILTRATING THE WATER, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THOSE SITES.
BUT LARGELY IT'S, IT'S AN A LA CARTE TYPE PROCESS.
SO WHATEVER THE ENGINEER CHOOSES TO DO, UM, IN COORDINATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT CREATES, UH, LONGER TERM MAINTENANCE.
WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF OPEN DETENTION PONDS AROUND THE CITY, BUT YOU START TO LOOK AT, UH, AT THESE DIFFERENT TYPE OF FILTRATION SYSTEMS, UH, AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.
NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20.
AND THERE IS A, UM, A SECTION ABOUT MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO.
UM, TE DID DO SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT ON HAVING THESE MEASURES IN PLACE.
AND SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE PREVALENT.
UM, SO THAT KIND, KIND OF RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID HERE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE MEASURES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF
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TREATMENT.TEC WANTS SOME SORT OF VERIFICATION PROCESS THAT MAKE SURE THAT THOSE S SCMS ARE NOT ONLY INSTALLED, BUT THEY'RE INSTALLED CORRECTLY AND THAT THEY ARE MEETING WHAT THE DESIGN STATE, LIKE WHAT THE DESIGN INTENDED.
UM, SO THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, UM, THAT TDEC ALLOWS, LIKE THEY ALLOW FOR AN INSPECTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF TIME FROM YOUR STAFF TO GO OUT AND INSPECT THESE AND LOOK AT THEM.
SO A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, AND WHAT WE HAVE LARGELY RECOMMENDED IS THAT IT'S DONE VIA AS-BUILTS.
SO YOU GET, YOU KNOW, A SURVEYOR INVOLVED, YOU GET SOME PICTURES DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS INSTALLED PER THE DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN THAT KIND OF ALLEVIATES SOME STRESS FROM YOUR STAFF, BUT ALSO GIVES THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THE SCM WAS INSTALLED AND THAT IT WAS INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
AND SO YOU'RE STARTING WITH A CLEAN SLATE AFTER CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS INSTALLED AT LEAST THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO.
AND THEN NOW LET'S LOOK FORWARD TO INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT BY TD THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF VERIFICATION PROCESS AND IT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED WITHIN 90 DAYS FOLLOWING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE S SCMS. UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
SO I JUST WANNA JUMP IN THERE.
SO AS BRENTWOOD BEING AN MS FOUR PERMITEE, TDEC REQUIRES THAT BRENTWOOD DO SOME TYPE OF VERIFICATION.
BRENTWOOD AS PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE, IS TURNING THAT AROUND AND SAYING, OKAY, DESIGNER DEVELOPER, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH AN AS-BUILT SO THAT WE CAN SHOW VERIFICATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PERMIT.
SO IT'S KIND OF PASSING IT ALL ALONG.
SO THE APPROPRIATE PARTY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLING THE SEM, BUT B BRENTWOOD IS GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION SO THAT THEY CAN BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT.
SO THAT'S JUST THE PASS ALONG THERE, THE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I ALSO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AS-BUILTS WERE ALREADY SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED.
UM, SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO THEM, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S A NEW ASPECT OF THE, AS-BUILT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLETED.
UM, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE OVERWHELMINGLY NEW FOR THEM.
UM, SO THEN WE GO INTO THE INSPECTIONS.
UM, SO T DECK REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE COMP, THERE'S SOME SORT OF INSPECTION COMPLETED EVERY FIVE YEARS ON THE SEMS. WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS, UM, THAT LEAVES A LOT OF ROOM FOR A, THE EXCHANGE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE PROPERTIES MIGHT GET SOLD.
THEN SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD AN SCM AND THEY MIGHT GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE, UM, THE INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND AND NOW THEY'VE GOTTA REPLACE SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, AND SO WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED TO A LOT OF MS FOURS AND WHAT WE SEE A LOT OF MS FOURS DOING IS REQUIRING THAT THEY, UM, SUBMIT YEARLY INSPECTIONS SO THAT THEY A, IT'S A WAY OF MAKING SURE, HEY, YOU HAVE AN SEM ON YOUR SITE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THEY DON'T GET IT, YOU KNOW, ON A YEARLY BASIS KIND OF PUSHING THEM TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE THIS, YOU DO NEED TO INSPECT IT, AND IF THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE REQUIRED, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT BEFORE IT GETS OUTTA HAND.
UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO MANAGES THAT IN THE CITY? SARAH CATHERINE
HOW WORKFLOWS DOES THAT ADD TO YOU? TO ADD, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? GO AHEAD SIR.
CATHERINE, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING IN OUR, HELP ME OUT IN OUR GI IS SO THAT WE HAVE A PORTAL SO THAT THEY CAN, WE CAN SUBMIT CHECK, BUT YES, IT, IT WILL BE SO IT CAN BE AUTOMATED AND AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, YES, AS EASY AS IT CAN BE.
VERY SIMILAR, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE SCM.
THEY HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT'S SUBMITTED.
UM, BUT WE WILL, THE CITY WILL BE REQUIRING PROPOSING TO REQUIRE YEARLY INSPECTIONS.
THIS WOULD ALSO HELP SAY IF YOU HAVE AN HOA AND IT DISBANDS, INSTEAD OF WAITING FIVE YEARS TO GET NOTICE THAT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT THEIR INSPECTION REPORT PER TEX GUIDANCE, HOPEFULLY WE GET A MORE ADVANCED NOTICE.
BECAUSE IF THEY MISS AN INSPECTION THAT FIRST YEAR, HOA DIDN'T KNOW THEY DISBANDED, THE CITY THEN CAN STEP IN AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS NOW OF THAT SEM.
AND SO NOTICE IS THAT A LETTER IN THE MAIL TO A MAILBOX? IS THAT AN ELECTRONIC, IS THERE A CONFIRMATION NECESSARY TO KNOW THAT THE NOTICE WAS GIVEN? I KNOW THE INSPECTION WILL BE DONE.
SO THAT'S AN ONSITE, IT HAVE TO BE DONE WITHIN A CERTAIN WINDOW, 90 DAYS, 30 DAYS.
LIKE WHAT DOES ALL THAT LOOK LIKE? OKAY.
CAN YOU SAY THE QUESTION AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
SO, UM, SO HOA RECEIVES NOTICE FROM THE CITY THAT THEY NEED TO CHECK ON THEIR BIO RETENTION, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO THAT, DOES HOA HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND, 90 DAYS TO RESPOND? HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND THEN HOW DO WE FOLLOW BACK UP WITH THEM? AND THEN WHEN DOES THAT INSPECTION NEED TO TAKE PLACE? IS IT WITHIN A WINDOW TIMEFRAME? YEAH.
AND AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF YOUR DAY? MM-HMM,
RIGHT? WE'RE NOT, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO
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UH, SO IT REALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER SPEARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES IN MY MIND.
MAYBE WE'RE NOT, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING OUT, LIKE SOMEBODY CALLS IN AND THEY HAVE, HEY, MY DETENTION POND IN MY BACK, MY HOA HAS A DETENTION POND IN MY BACKYARD.
I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT IT FOR MONTHS, NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
THEN THAT WOULD BE A STORM WATER VIOLATION.
WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT, UH, ALONG THE GUIDELINES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
AND THERE ARE TIME, TIME LIMITS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE.
YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH A VERBAL WARNING, A WRITTEN WARNING, AND THEN SOME SORT OF, WHAT IS IT? UH, NOT A CONSENT ORDER.
AND THEN WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO A, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING AT SOME POINT.
SO THAT'S FOR A VIOLATION WITH A POND WHEREBY WE CONTACTED THEM, THEY NEED TO FIX THIS.
THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
NOW THE INSPECTIONS ARE TO BE GENERATED ANNUALLY, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY.
THIS WILL ALL JUST BE POLICIES.
THIS, THIS IMPLEMENTS THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN OUR POLICIES WILL BE GENERATED BASED ON HOW OFTEN, LIKE MAYBE IT'S EVERY THREE MONTHS WE CHECK, UM, EVERYONE HAS TO SUBMIT IN A, AT A CERTAIN DAY.
WE DON'T WANT LIKE SOMEBODY SUBMITTING ON JUNE 15TH, SOMEBODY SUBMITTING JULY 3RD, ALL THEIR INSPECTIONS.
WE WANT THOSE TO COME IN AT MAYBE QUARTERLY THINGS LIKE THAT INTO THE PORTAL.
BUT THE, UM, FIVE YEARS, THAT WOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE THING.
THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, THIS POLICY, WE'RE STILL IN THE BABY STAGES OF THIS, HOW TO GENERATE THAT.
BUT SOMETHING THAT WE WE'RE ALERTED IN THE SPREADSHEET, HEY, EVERY, ALL, ALL OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS, ALL OF THESE HOAS, SCMS, THEY'RE DUE NOW.
AND WE GO THROUGH THAT AND CHECK THOSE OFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE KEEPING UP WITH THEIR ANNUAL INSPECTIONS AND THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR FIVE YEAR INSPECTION IN.
THAT WOULD ALSO INVOLVE SOME SORT OF SITE VISIT BY JORDAN AND OR, AND, OR ONE OF OUR OTHER ENGINEERING INSPECTORS.
BUT YEAH, THAT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I SEE THAT THE INSPECTIONS WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING ON A POLICY WHEREBY TO READILY HANDLE THOSE WITH THIS MINIMAL EFFORT ON OUR PART AS WE CAN PUSHING THAT EFFORT OUT ONTO THE AARON? YES.
SORRY, WAS I RAMBLING THERE? I'M SORRY.
SHOULDN'T DO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ARE YOU GOING AHEAD? I'M CONFUSED.
COMMISSIONER, DO LIKE WITH OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS WHERE THEY ARE INSPECTED ANNUALLY? YEAH.
THE BACKFLOW PROVIDERS WHO WE INSTIGATE THAT WE SEND LETTERS REMINDING THEM, WOULD THIS WORK? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT WE WILL.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO ASK CHRIS HOW THAT WORKS, MA WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
HE MIGHT TALK WITH HIM AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THAT.
AND WE PLAN ON HOSTING ALL OF THE HOAS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL THE UPDATED OA PRESIDENTS RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL HAVE A MEETING TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THESE REGULATIONS, HOW THIS LOOKS, EXPLAIN IT ALL TO THEM SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION.
SEE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I SAID, WHAT'S NEW? AND Y'ALL BASICALLY SAID, OH, WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL OF THIS, SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS.
THE POST-CONSTRUCTION IS, IS A NEW REQUIREMENT WITH THE TTA GENERAL PERMIT.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, RIGHT? SO WHAT WILL BE NEW? SO IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLIANT WITH THEIR PONDS.
UM, AND THIS OBVIOUSLY IS MORE STRICT IN REQUIRING IT.
SO, UM, AND Y'ALL HAVE A SYSTEM, I THINK IN THE PAST FOR WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD HASN'T BEEN COMPLIANT, RIGHT? AND THEN I THINK THE CITY ENDED UP HAVING TO ABSORB THE COST IN SOME CASES OF CLEANING OUT THE POND.
IS THIS NOW INCREASING? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
SO DOES THAT FALL BACK ON THE CITY AND THUS INCREASES OUR EXPENSES.
SO I WILL SAY WITH THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, WE ACTUALLY WERE, WE RECEIVED RECOVERY FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT WAS, UM, A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
AND I'LL LET SARAH, CATHERINE, AND DEREK.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PUTTING POLICIES AND ORDINANCES UP FRONT SO THAT WE CAN DON'T GET THERE.
REDUCE THAT, UH, THOSE, UH, DILAPIDATED DEGRADED PONDS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
WE WANT TO GET EVERYTHING UP FRONT, GET IT IN PLACE, GET THOSE INSPECTIONS, HAVE A POLICY, HAVE PROCEDURES, HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR THIS TO OCCUR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POND SUCH AS THE ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT.
NOTHING'S BEEN DONE THERE IN 10, 15 YEARS.
AND THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH CHAINSAWS, CUTTING TREES OUT OF THE PONDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA FIX EVERYTHING WITH THIS, UH,
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THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.BUT WE DO WANT TO START FROM HERE AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WHILE AS, UH, TOM AND STAFFING ALLOWS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP WORKING ON THOSE ONES THAT HAVE PROBLEMS. AND THIS WOULD ALSO, THIS, THESE INSPECTIONS ALSO APPLY TO ALL PONDS, NOT JUST NEW PONDS.
SO THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THE PROGRAM SO THAT WE CAN KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US.
WHEN YOU, WE, WE HAVE ABOUT 416 SCMS LAST TIME WE CHECKED IN THE CITY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A LARGE, WHEN YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS OR MEET WITH THESE HOAS, CAN YOU ALSO GIVE THEM AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS MIGHT COST THEM ANNUALLY SO THEY CAN BUILD THAT IN THEIR BUDGET? OKAY.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S SOME HOAS, THIS MAY BE A SHOCK TO, AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE.
SO ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE, SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EITHER NEVER HAD HOAS OR LET THEIR HOAS LAPSE? IS THERE A MECHANISM FOR HANDLING THE AREAS THAT ARE KIND OF ORPHANED? YEAH.
SO I'M GLAD WE HAVE TODD HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE AS TO, OKAY, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, THE HO A'S RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THIS PERSON'S POND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
CHRIS SAID, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, UH, THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT POND? YEAH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
SO I GUESS AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, ARE, ARE THESE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES PRETTY MUCH ALREADY MAPPED IN GIS AND LOCATED AND WE HAVE RECORDS ON 'EM AND WE KIND OF KNOW WHICH ONES FOLLOW IN WHAT CATEGORY? YEAH, SO IN, IN OUR, NO ONE'S HERE FROM GIS, BUT, UH, GIS HAS WORKED WITH US CLOSELY AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AT HELPING OUR INSPECTORS, UH, GET THE DATA ON THE PODS.
IT, WE HAVE A SLIDE IN HERE THAT WAS, UM, IN YOUR, IN ON THE AGENDA ITEM, I THINK, RIGHT? YES.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLIDE THAT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE OF A STORMWATER QUALITY STORMWATER CONTROL MEASURE.
AND EACH OF THOSE POINTS HAS DATA ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
A LOT OF THOSE POINTS HAS ALSO, UH, AN INSPECTION REPORT, UH, THE POND'S IN POOR CONDITION.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS SO THAT YOU CAN PICK THAT POINT AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M, I'M NOT SURE.
IT JUST, IT BEGS THE NEXT QUESTION, AND IT MAY BE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS MEETING, BUT LIKE, WHETHER OR NOT OUR, UH, OUR DRAINAGE DITCHES AND CULVERTS FALL UNDER THIS CATEGORY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALMOST ENTIRELY IN PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UH, UNLESS AGAIN, WE GET BACK TO SOME SORT OF STORMWATER VIOLATION THAT'S BEING CAUSED BY DEGRADED DILAPIDATED CULVER.
SO, CAN I ASK ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT? SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND, AND COMPLY NOT COMPLYING PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO YES, THAT'S TRUE, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER, THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEREBY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO EASEMENT, THERE'S NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY, UH, NO LIABILITY FOR THE CITY TO GO IN THERE AND FIX THAT JUST BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED FOR THE GENERAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
THAT TODD, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE PUBLIC WORKS CAN GO IN AND FIX THAT SUCH THAT IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY AND ALLEVIATES FLOODING OR, UH, AM I, AM I RIGHT TODD? WHAT? TYPICALLY ONLY IN EASEMENT AREAS, EXCUSE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS.
IF, IF THERE'S AN OBSTRUCTION OF SOME SORT OR A FAILURE THAT WOULD CAUSE WATER TO BACK UP ONTO UPSTREAM PROPERTY OWNERS IN A RAIN EVENT, WE CAN GO IN AND MITIGATE THAT SINGLE ISSUE.
AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT CULVERTS.
SO I'M THINKING MOST OF THOSE ARE IN EASEMENT.
A LOT OF T ARE GONNA BE CITY OWNED.
I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT PONDS RETENTION PONDS.
SO ARE WE RESPONSIBLE AS A CITY? I MEAN, WE, SO HOW DO WE MEET, HOW DO WE MARRY THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF TD OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THEM AND KEEP THEM IN COMPLIANCE? AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT KEPT IN COMPLIANCE, SO THAT, AND NO RESPONSIBLE PARTY, IF THERE'S A RESPONSIBLE PARTY, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR THEM.
AND IF THERE'S NOT, IF THERE'S NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
KEEP, I'M JUST SAYING SOMEBODY OWNS A PROPERTY.
YEAH, SOMEBODY OWNS THE PROPERTY
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AND THAT'S WHERE, WHAT DEREK WAS MENTIONING, THAT KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY IS THAT IT'S LITERALLY ON SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TRYING TO GET THE TWO PARTIES TO WORK TOGETHER, THE SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWING FULL WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS GONNA BE PRETTY MESSY INITIALLY.
AND, AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE CLEANED, MAYOR AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE MESSY.
SO I JUST, I WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING.
SO THE PREVIOUS MS FOUR PERMIT REQUIRED THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN AN INVENTORY OF SCMS OR WHAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS POST-CONSTRUCTION BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE CITY KNOWS THAT THEY HAVE 416 17 S SCMS WITHIN THEIR MS FOUR BOUNDARY.
SO THE NEW PIECE OF THIS, PART OF IT IS THE VERIFICATION, WHICH AGAIN HAS BEEN, UM, CHOSEN BY AN AS BILL FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE INSPECTION EVERY FIVE YEARS BY T DECK.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FROM THE PERMIT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THE YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIREMENT, AGAIN, COMING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, OR THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY OF THAT SEM.
SO WHILE SCMS OR POST-CONSTRUCTION BMPS ARE NOT NEW TO THE CITY AT ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND THEY ARE LONG-TERM BURDENS, THESE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO THE MS FOUR PERMIT AND NOW INTO BRENTWOODS ORDINANCE.
IT'S T DECK RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE ISSUES PREVIOUSLY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS ALREADY LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WERE IN PLACE, UM, THAT FOR THESE S SCMS PREVIOUSLY, UM, THEY WERE ALREADY REQUIRED TO INSPECT AND MAINTAIN THOSE ITEMS. IT'S JUST THAT, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEING DONE? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS IS COMING.
UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA JUMP AHEAD.
UM, SO NOW WE'RE ONTO THE ZONING CHAPTER.
UM, VERY, VERY, UM, GOOD THAT THIS, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF MENTIONS OF WATERWAY NATURAL AREA, AND WE JUST WENT AND UPDATED THAT TO THE NEW LANGUAGE, WHICH IS THE WATER QUALITY RIGHT HERE IN BUFFER.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT IS OCCURRING TO THIS CHAPTER.
UM, SO THEN THAT TAKES US TO THE SUBDIVISION REGS.
DO I NEED, DO I NEED TO COVER THAT COMMISSIONER ON MONDAY NIGHT? OKAY.
THAT'S BEEN HANDLED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
DO YOU FEEL A NEED FOR HER TO GO OVER THE SUB REC CHANGES? I JUST WANNA KNOW ONE, WHAT DOES RIPARIAN MEAN? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO RIPARIAN IS THE AREA ADJACENT TO A STREAM.
SO THE WAY THAT A RIPARIAN BUFFER IS MEASURED OR RIPARIAN IS THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S THERE.
SO THE, THE WAY THAT THE BUFFER IS MEASURED IS, IS BASICALLY YOU TAKE THE TOP OF THE STREAM BANK AND THEN THAT WATER QUALITY RIPARIAN BUFFER IS MEASURED FROM THE TOP OF THE STREAM BANK 30 FEET OR 60 FEET OUT FROM THAT TOP OF THAT STREAM BANK.
AND BASICALLY ALL IT MEANS IS THAT WE WANNA KEEP THE EXISTING VEGETATION THERE THAT'S THERE.
WELL, I LOOKED UP THE WORD RIPARIAN, BUT IT STILL DIDN'T CLARIFY ENOUGH FOR ME.
THE DEFINITION IS OF OR RELATING TO THE BANK OF A STREAM.
I DIDN'T KNOW WEBSTER IN HERE.
I WOULDN'T ADMIT THAT IF I DID, I FEEL LIKE I WAS PRETTY CLOSE WITHOUT HAVING A DICTIONARY MUCH.
WAIT, CAN I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? IF, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE THEM TO COME ON MONDAY NIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN ASK? I DON'T THINK SO.
WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? I THINK WE'VE COVERED PRETTY THOROUGH HERE TODAY.
FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME WHO ARE INTERESTED, THEY CAN WATCH THIS VIDEO.
SORT OF A RELATED QUESTION TO YOU GUYS.
SO, YEAH, I I, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM I'VE ALERTED THE PROPER AUTHORITIES? YEAH.
I'VE ALERTED THE PROPER AUTHORITIES,
THAT'S ALL I CAN REALLY SAY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
UH, I, I SENT IT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND THEY RELAYED AN EMAIL TO ME THAT THEY SENT TO THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY, IT FALLS UNDER TO THAT.
COMMISSIONERS TO, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MESSY IN THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS THAT WE'VE NEVER HEARD THE CITY COME AND TELL US THAT WE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THIS BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE YOU OF YOUR OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
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JUST THE CITY IS NOW BEING MORE PROACTIVE AND, UH, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE THAT MESSAGE IN A GENTLE MANNER.NEXT UP, WE HAVE, UH, APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE BBCA AND A NOTE THAT THIS IS THE REGISTERED ARCHITECT AND REGISTERED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER POSITIONS.
UM, YOU HAVE TWO REGISTERED ARCHITECTS, ONE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
SO, UH, IT'LL APPEAR THAT MICHAEL VINES WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR SELECTION THERE AND THEN YOUR, UH, CHOICE BETWEEN CHRISTIAN NOBLE AND JAMES ROBINSON.
SO WE ARE VOTING ON IT AT ONE AT ONE TIME.
WE'RE BASICALLY ONLY VOTING BETWEEN NUMBERS ONE AND TWO.
ITEM THREE, YOU HAVE THREE MEMBERS BEING APPOINTED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD.
YOU DO HAVE TWO INCUMBENTS AND FIVE APPLICANTS.
SORRY, IT'S ON, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S UPDATING ON THERE, BUT NOT THE AH, OKAY.
YOU HAVE ONE MEMBER BEING APPOINTED TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND YOU HAVE ONE FAMILY.
I, I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF IF THAT'S YEAH.
WELL, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT SUBJECT, UH, JOHN BER HAS JOINED US.
YOU'VE MET JOHN BEFORE, UH, HE'S BEEN INTRODUCED TO YOU.
BUT WE WANTED TO REINTRODUCE JOHN BECAUSE WITH THE DEPARTURE OF DALE BIGGERSTAFF TO GO ATTEND TO HIS FAMILY NEEDS BACK HOME, UH, JOHN HAS STEPPED UP AS A TEMPORARY APPOINTMENT BY TODD, APOLOGIZE.
HE ACTUALLY HAS A MEETING WITH, UM, MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS.
I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE ALL AWARE OF THE STREET SCANNING THAT'S GOING ON.
MOST OF THE NEWS STATIONS HAVE TAKEN A LIKING TO THAT.
SO HE'S CURRENTLY IN A ZOOM MEETING WITH I THINK CHANNEL FOUR.
SO HE APOLOGIZES FOR NOT BEING SLOW NEWSWEEK, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING BEFORE, THAT'S WHY I SAID VERY SLOW NEWS DAY MUST BE.
BUT I THINK GOOD PR FOR THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, HE WAS ON CHANNEL TWO YESTERDAY AND FOUR TODAY, I THINK.
UH, FOX JUST REACHED OUT AS WELL, SO HE APOLOGIZE.
WE HAVE MET BEFORE I WAS HERE WEARING THAT UGLY YELLOW LAST TIME.
SO, UM, I DIFFERENT WORLD, DIFFERENT WORLD NOW.
BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO STEP UP.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM NEW JERSEY.
I'VE BEEN HERE WITH THE CITY FOR THREE AND A HALF, ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW.
I HAVE ABOUT, UH, 12 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC WORK SECTOR.
UM, I ALSO, IN A PREVIOUS LIFE, I HAVE 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A, UH, IN THE FIRE SERVICE.
SO, UM, AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER, I WORKED MY WAY THROUGH THE RANKS AND I WAS CHIEF OF MY DEPARTMENT FOR THREE YEARS AS WELL.
SO I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE, UH, LEADING A DEPARTMENT AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.
AND JOHN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING WILLING, BEING WILLING TO STEP UP AND, AND, UH, FILL THAT ROLE IN THEIR DO IT.
I'M GONNA GO, UH, BE WITH TODD.
OKAY, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, UH, PRINTED OUT WHAT YOU RECEIVED VIA EMAIL, UH, BRETT BAUER.
AND YOU MAY NOTE JUST A FEW LITTLE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS IN THERE.
JUST KIND OF MINOR EDITS THAT I'D IDENTIFIED ARE STILL GONNA BE NEEDED.
WE'LL GET THOSE TO BARRETTE, BUT WE DO NEED YOUR BLESSING ON THIS SOLICITATION.
AND SO THE FIRST THING I WOULD ASK IS ARE THERE ANY EDITS TO THIS BEYOND THE COUPLE OF BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE? ARE THERE ANY EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT THAT THINK WE'RE STILL RECORDING? UM, WELL I HAVE A CALL WITH CHRIS LATER BECAUSE BRETT'S OUT OF TOWN.
I WAS JUST GONNA GIVE HIM SOME LITTLE FEEDBACKS, SOME EDITS, UM, THAT I FOUND JUST SOME TYPOS OR WHERE CITY WAS CAPITALIZED AND SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PROPER NOUN IN THAT CASE, NER THERE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THEY CHANGE, UM, IS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PICTURE.
AND I KNOW THEY PULLED THIS FROM THE WEBSITE.
I WISH THEY WOULD DO ONE THAT IS, AND THERE'S A KIND OF DEEPER ON OUR WEBSITE, THERE'S A SPOT WHERE IT'S THE FRONT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING, BECAUSE HERE YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THAT IS.
UM, SORRY, PAGE TWO, SECOND PICTURE DOWN.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AERIAL SHOP, BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A RANDOM BUILDING AND WE HAVE A BETTER PICTURE.
I'D RATHER USE ONE THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DIG A LITTLE BIT ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH SUBCATEGORY IT'S UNDER, POLICE UNDER, UM, BUT IT'S A CLOSEUP AND IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE.
TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.
I, I'LL TELL YOU A PICTURE I DIDN'T CARE FOR, BUT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOOKS SO COOKIE CUTTER TO ME, I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING THAT I, WHEN YOU RIDE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S SO MUCH PRETTIER OR I MEAN PRETTIER PICTURES THAN THAT, THAT, THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE ANYWHERE USA
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AND WE CAN FIND ONE MAYBE WITH A LITTLE MORE TOPOGRAPHY.A LITTLE MORE VISUAL INTEREST.
THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE TRY TO AVOID THE COOKIE CUTTER LITTLE TOO MUCH.
AND I DO WANNA COMPLIMENT THE, THE OPENING PICTURE, WHICH I THINK IS A THOUSAND TIMES BETTER THAN THE, THE LONELY GRAIN SILO.
OH YEAH, I TOO HAVE A CALL SCHEDULED THIS AFTERNOON WITH, UM, BRETT'S PARTNER, CHRIS, JUST FOR SOME SIMILAR COMMENTS NEEDED, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT I HAVE TO OFFER AND I LEFT MY DOCUMENT IN THE CAR.
OTHERWISE I WOULD OFFER THOSE TO YOU NOW.
SO THAT TAKES CARE OF, OR WILL TAKE CARE OF SORT OF THE TEXT.
THANKS FOR PRINTING THIS OFF FOR YES MA'AM.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, TWO MORE WEIGHTY ISSUES.
UM, WE'LL GO TO THE PAGE WHERE IT SAYS HOW TO APPLY AND UNDER COMPENSATION, BRETT HAS PROVIDED OPTION A AND OPTION B, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, WHERE IS THIS GONNA BE? LIKE, I ACTUALLY HAD A LOCAL RESIDENT ASK ME HOW TO APPLY.
I SAID, WELL, DON'T GO THROUGH HR, BUT I WASN'T SURE A WHERE TO TELL HIM TO FIND THIS.
IS IT GONNA BE ON, HOW ARE PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE FOLKS THESE PEOPLE PUT IT OUT TO GONNA KNOW ABOUT? YEAH, THIS CAN BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.
BUT THEY WILL, THEY WILL DIRECT ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS TO GPS, BUT HOW MOST PEOPLE WILL GET IT, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER TYPES WILL BE THROUGH DIRECT EMAIL SOLICITATION AND ON JOB BOARDS.
WELL, I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, I'M NOT SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS COMPLETELY ALL THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES.
SO IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO SEE THIS.
SO IT WILL BE POSTED ON OUR, IT WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE, THIS BROCHURE WHEN IT'S FINISHED.
IF WE PUT IT IN OUR SYSTEM, PEOPLE WILL APPLY THROUGH OUR NEO GOV AND WE WOULD NOT DO, WE DO NOT WANT TO DO, SO WE'LL PUT IT ON THE HR PAGE BUT NOT POST IT, UM, IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A LINK IN THERE FOR THEM TO APPLY EVEN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL LANDING PAGE? WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE'LL, THEM DIRECTED OVER TO GPS.
SO YOU HAVE OPTION A AND OPTION B OF COURSE OPTION B BEING SOMEWHAT SILENT TO WHAT THE SALARY WOULD BE.
IF YOU'RE OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOLKS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED OR, OR WOULD LOOK AT THIS, THEY'LL GO STRAIGHT TO THE SALARY TO SEE IF IT'S LISTED.
BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BRENTWOOD, TENNESSEE.
THEY'LL LOOK AT THAT AS AN INDICATOR OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD LOOK DEEPER.
AND WHEN THEY SEE THAT SALARY, WHATEVER YOU WIND UP ON, THAT'S GONNA GIVE THEM AN IDEA WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE INTERESTED RIGHT THERE.
SO WHERE WHATEVER DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU, YOU WIND UP ON A RECOMMENDATION WAS YOU DO STATE THAT IN THIS SOLICITATION.
I THINK IF YOU STATE IT, THEY'RE GONNA IMMEDIATELY THINK AND GO TO THE TOP 2 75 AND THEY'LL BE DISAPPOINTED IF THEY DON'T GO TO THAT NUMBER.
I, I TALKED TO BRETT PERSONALLY ABOUT THAT I SHARE WITH Y'ALL, AND HE SAID THAT IS A, THAT COULD BE A CONCERN.
HE AGREED, HE SAID AS LONG AS HE HAD THAT IN HIS POCKET TO TALK TO THEM AND TELL THEM HE WAS FINE USING OPTION B, WHICH TO ME, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WAS MAKING, I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE, ONE 70, IT WAS A SMALLER BUZZER.
IF THEY SAW THAT AND THEY SAW 2 75, IF I WAS THAT GUY THAT ASKED FOR 2 75
WHEREAS IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THEIR CURRENT SALARY, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THEN BRETT COULD GIVE THEM A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER, I THINK.
I ALSO THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A BALLPARK.
I MEAN, KIRK'S SALARY IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
THEY COULD, I GUESS MY POINT WAS THAT THEY WON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT.
THEY'LL JUST SEE THE BRENTWOOD TENNESSEE IS SOLICITING AND THEY'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT SAYING WHAT THE SALARY IS.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE AN IMMEDIATE ASSUMPTION BY THOSE IN PLACES OUTSIDE OF OUR MIDDLE TENNESSEE, OUTSIDE OF TENNESSEE, THAT'S TENNESSEE.
THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN EXPECTATION.
THEY MAY NOT LOOK ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THEY PUT DEPENDING ON QUALIFICATIONS AND THAT DOESN'T LET THEM KNOW, NO, ACTUALLY THIS POSITION IS GONNA PAY PRETTY WELL.
I, I HEAR WHAT, THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND A CITY, OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER WHO CAN ASK THE NEXT QUESTION, THE NEXT QUESTION AND THE NEXT QUESTION, WHO'S WILLING TO DO DIG IN AND DO RESEARCH? AND SO IF THE SALARY RANGE IS
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THE MOST CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT'S MISSING OUT OF HERE, THIS ISN'T A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, BROCHURE OF EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES.WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER GREAT THINGS THAT GO ON IN OUR CITY THAT AREN'T COVERED HERE.
SO IF THAT'S ONE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE, UH, THAT THEY DON'T FIND AND UM, THAT STOPS THEIR SEARCH, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE FOR US.
WE NEED THE PERSON WHO'S WILLING TO DIG, LEARN, FIGURE IT OUT, ASK QUESTIONS, RESEARCH.
AND SO THAT MIGHT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
UM, I THINK WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS SHEET OF PAPER THAT KURT GAVE US, WHICH IS ALL THE SALARY RANGES OF THE MANAGERS IN TENNESSEE IN COMPARABLE CITIES, I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US SO THAT WE KNOW, BECAUSE TENNESSEE IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER STATES WITH A LOT FOR A LOT OF REASONS, WE CAN GO INTO THOSE AT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME.
UM, AND THAT CAN HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO STATE IT IN OUR BROCHURE.
AND BECAUSE IT LIMITS US INSTEAD OF, UM, TARGETING IT, IT NARROWS THINGS TO ME, IN MY OPINION, IT PUTS US AT RISK, MA BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, A LOT OF OTHER REASONS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING LISTED.
I JUST SAY, WELL, I THINK, I THINK ITEM B COULD BE, IT'S VERY BLAND WHAT HE WROTE.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD JAZZ THAT UP AND SAY A VERY COMPETITIVE SALARY IS, WAS BEING OFFERED, YOU KNOW, AND BENEFIT PACKAGE, ET CETERA.
I, I THINK THAT JUST STATEMENT PUT A LITTLE MORE SALES VALUE IN IT.
YEAH, I WOULD, I'M A SALES GUY.
BUT, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE JUST GOT TO SAY IN CONTRAST TO WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING, AND I I APPRECIATE HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE LIST A LOT OF THINGS ONLINE THROUGH BUSINESS AND INCLUDING POSITIONS AMONG OTHER THINGS.
BUT NOT ESTABLISHING A MAGNITUDE I THINK IS A MISTAKE.
UH, UH, 'CAUSE I, I, I THINK IT'S A VERY EASY THING TO ADDRESS IN TERMS OF HAVING A RANGE.
PEOPLE LIKE TO GO TO THE TOP SIDE OF THE RANGE, BUT THAT GETS THE CONVERSATION STARTED AND THAT'S WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND TO JAY'S POINT, AND ALSO LIKE I SAID TO MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO LIST EVERYTHING WE HAVE FOR SALE CALL FOR PRICE.
AND WHAT WE FIND IS WHEN WE LIST EVERYTHING, CALL FOR PRICE, THE PHONE DOESN'T RING.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE THEMSELVES OFF THE LIST BECAUSE OF WHATEVER ASSUMPTIONS THEY MAY MAKE ABOUT WHAT CALL FOR PRICE MAKES MEANS.
UM, SO I WOULD HIGHLY, FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS A LOT, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND GOING TO A RANGE.
AND IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 2 25 TO TWO SEVENTY FIVE AND THEN ONCE THE PHONE RINGS, THEN NAVIGATE THAT PROCESS.
BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW ALLISON, YOU SAY YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DIGS DEEPER, BUT FRANKLY, A LOT OF TIMES A REALLY GOOD QUALIFIED CANDIDATE WHO PROBABLY HAS A JOB, IF YOU DON'T ESTABLISH THE MAGNITUDE AND THEY LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE TOWN AND THINK YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT, THE PHONE MAY NOT RING.
YOU MAY NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING A RANGE AND THE MAGNITUDE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IMPLYING, YOU KNOW, AND CAN I AGREE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY OPTION B SOMEWHAT BETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE SAYING SALARY WILL BE COMMENSURATE WITH QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE, TO ME THAT ALMOST IMPLIES WE'D GO CHEAP.
AND IF SOMEBODY'S CHEAP ENOUGH, WE MAY COMPROMISE OUR STANDARDS OR OUR STANDARDS ARE IN HERE.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE STANDARDS LISTED LIKE THIS, TO ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO, TO ESTABLISH A RANGE AND A MAGNITUDE OF THE COMPENSATION TO GET THE PHONE TO RING, TO START THE CONVERSATION OR TO GET THE EMAIL OR TO GET THE APPLICATION.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS NOT A JOB WORKING IN A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
THIS IS A CEO AND MOST CEOS AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY LOOKING AT SALARY COMPENSATE WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WANNA KNOW A LITTLE MORE BEFORE THEY EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
NOW WHAT WE ESTABLISH THAT RANGE TO BE, I THINK IS DEBATABLE MAYBE.
BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A RANGE.
I WOULD, I WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER APPLYING FOR SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T SPECIFY A RANGE.
MY HUSBAND WOULDN'T HAVE APPLIED FOR A JOB THAT DIDN'T SPECIFY A RANGE.
NO REAL PROFESSIONAL WOULD, I DON'T THINK, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
AND, AND ALSO WHEN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THEY MENTIONED THE AVERAGE TENURE OF A CITY MANAGER BEING WHAT I THINK THEY SAID THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CITY MANAGER JOBS THAT ARE STAIR STEP POSITIONS.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, BRENTWOOD HAS BEEN A DESTINATION JOB.
AND I THINK DOING THIS CLEARLY AND ESTABLISHING A MAGNITUDE THAT COMMUNICATES THIS
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IS A DESTINATION JOB AS PART OF THAT AND GETTING THAT CANDIDATE THAT WANTS A DESTINATION POSITION AND ISN'T JUST LOOKING FOR A STEPPING STONE.NOW MARK, ONE PHRASE YOU'VE COINED YEARS AGO, AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS VERY GOOD WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BRENTWOOD WAY.
I REMEMBERED WHEN YOU SAID IT, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT SUMS IT UP REALLY WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE DO THIS ON THE CHEAP.
LET'S DO IT THE BRENTWOOD WAY, THE WAY YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND I REALLY BELIEVE WE WON'T REGRET THIS DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN, WE, IF SOMEBODY, WE GET THE FEELING THAT THEY'RE JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY.
AND I, I LIKE TO THINK IN THIS NARROWING DOWN PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME GOOD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT I, I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU HIRE A CITY MANAGER ON THE CHIEF.
IT'S IN MY EXPERIENCE OF HIRING MULTIPLE, UH, CEOS, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICERS, CHIEF NURSING OFFICERS, UH, GENERAL MANAGERS, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, AS WELL AS BEING RECRUITED, UM, THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, WE'VE NEVER LISTED, UH, A SALARY, UH, OUT THERE.
THAT'S JUST MY, UH, EXPERIENCE.
UM, UM, BUT WHAT I DO BELIEVE IS WE SHOULDN'T GET BEAT ON MONEY.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, I THINK WHEN YOU POST A SALARY OUT THERE FOR A PROFESSIONAL POSITION, UH, LIKE THIS, I THINK IT, UM, CAUSES, UM, PERHAPS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UH, AND HAS BEEN MY, UH, PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T, I I AGREE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO POST THE SALARY.
I THINK WE CAN PUT IT BASED ON EXPERIENCE.
IT'S ONE PHONE CALL OR ONE EMAIL THAT THE PERSON CAN MAKE IF BRETT HAS AN IDEA OF THE RANGE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DIG PRETTY DEEP TO EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S NO STATE INCOME TAX.
SO THAT SALARY ACTUALLY MAY NOT LOOK AS ATTRACTIVE TO SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW, NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA OR WHEREVER, WHERE THERE'S A HUGE STATE INCOME TAX.
SO ONE CALL, ONE EMAIL, HE STARTS THE CONVERSATION AND HE CAN ALREADY KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF IF THIS PERSON IS EVEN REMOTELY QUALIFIED OR, OR WHAT.
BUT IT, I I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM MAKE THE CALL TO BRENT AND HE START THE CONVERSATION.
I I'M TRYING TO PICTURE THIS PHONE CALL.
WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT'S GONNA BE MAKING A PHONE CALL? TO WHOM? WELL, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, CONTACT BRENT RIGHT.
SO YOU THINK SOMEONE'S GONNA CALL BRENT AND SAY, I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE SALARY'S GONNA BE.
I ACTUALLY CALL, I CALLED BRETT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS.
THE GUY THAT DOES THIS AND RECRUITS.
AND I SAID, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY? HE SAYS, WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT.
I SAID, WELL, LET HANDCUFF YOU IF WE DON'T PUT THE SALARY.
HE SAID, NO, AS LONG AS I KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
WELL, I THINK HE SAY WHATEVER WE WANT HIM TO SAY.
HE'S, HE TOLD US, TELL YOU WHAT SAID, PUT IN IT WHAT WE WANT.
I MEAN, HE SAID, I, IT WON'T HANDCUFF ME AS LONG AS I HAVE THE SALARY HERE.
HE SAID, YEAH, WELL THAT'S THE POINT.
WHAT RANGE ARE WE GONNA TELL HIM THAT? I THINK THAT'S THE NEXTLY TELL SOMEONE ON THE PHONE THAT WON'T BE IN THE BROCHURE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO THIS PHONE CALL WHERE YOU SAY, WELL, THEY CAN CALL HIM BY PHONE AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
WELL, WHAT IS HE TELLING THEM THOUGH? WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON? I THINK WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT STEP ONE, UH, AND WHAT I HEAR, UM, IS THERE ARE FOUR, UM, THAT ARE, UH, IN FAVOR OF NOT POSTING THE, UH, THE RANGE, UH, IN THE BROCHURE.
UH, AND THEN TWO THAT, UM, ARE IN FAVOR OF POSTING IT IN THE BROCHURE.
UM, WE NEED TO START TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE RANGE, UH, NOW.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, WILL GIVE BRETT, UM, EQUIP HIM, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE CALLING HIM, UH, AS WELL AS HE IS MAKING THOSE, UH, THOSE OUTBOUND, UH, INQUIRIES, UH, TO FOLKS THAT HE BELIEVES, UH, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT.
AND THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY MM-HMM,
AND SO OPTION B IS WHAT WE WILL TELL BRETT, SPICE IT UP A LITTLE BIT TO ADD A LITTLE SALES SYMBOL TO IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH NOT POSTING WHAT THE ACTUAL SALARY IS, BUT THE SALARY RANGE THAT HE WILL COMMUNICATE AND ESTABLISH WHAT THAT RANGE IS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOU DON'T NEED ME THIS DISCUSSION, SO I THINK I'LL JUST TAKE MYSELF TO MYSELF.
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ANYBODY WANNA OPEN UP? WELL, I'LL, I'LL SAY BECAUSE I CALLED HIM AND I TALKED TO KURT.ONE OF THE THINGS KURT SAID THAT YOU SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE BROUGHT OUT, THAT KIRK TOOK LUMP SUM PAYMENTS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY THAT HE TOOK, THE BENEFIT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS SALARY AT 2 21, I THINK IS LISTED ON THERE.
IT'S REALLY MORE IN THE MID TWO THIRTIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND MORE IN REALITY.
AND, UM, AGAIN, TALKING WITH BRETT, BRETT SAID HE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING IN 200 TO TWO 50, BUT KNOWING THAT HE COULD GO TO 2 75 IF HE FOUND THE RIGHT CANDIDATE.
AND I THINK PART OF HOW HIGH HE GOES DEPENDS ON THAT CANDIDATE.
AND IF HE, IF HE FOUND, IF WE FOUND THE EXACT PERSON RIGHT HERE, IF HE HAD TO GO THERE, I THINK WE'D ALL BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT GIVES HIM THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND AGAIN, I SAID THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY.
SO WHAT, WHAT BRETT AND I TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND OUR CONVERSATION WAS THAT THE RANGE THAT HE OFFERED AT 2 75 IS, I EXPLAINED TO HIM IT'S 24% MORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY PAY OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER.
AND SO IF WE DID, AND WE JUST DID A WHOLE, UM, MARKET BASIS, UM, COMPENSATION PLAN WHERE WE DID THE RESEARCH AND WE APPLIED THAT AND IT ENTERED INTO OUR BUDGET FOR, UM, AM I CORRECT, IT WAS LIKE A MILLION DOLLAR, UM, ANNUAL IMPACT.
IS THAT RIGHT? TOTAL IMPACT ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S CURRENT DATA, IT'S VERY UP TO DATE.
UM, AND SO I ALSO KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TOO SPECIFICALLY THAT WHEN YOU BRING IN NEW PEOPLE MAKING MORE THAN THE CURRENT PEOPLE HAVE HAVE BEEN MAKING, THAT IT CAN REALLY, UM, PUT A KNIFE IN YOUR CULTURE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO BE OBSERVANT ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FUTURE FAILURE BY OVERCOMING, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE JOB REQUIREMENTS MEET THE EXPERIENCE.
AND, UM, WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS, I'M GREAT IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO ONLY WANTS TO BE HERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY WANT TO COME IN AND WORK HARD FOR THE RESIDENTS IN BRENTWOOD AND DO THEIR BEST BEFORE THEY MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT JOB AND THEY GIVE BRENTWOOD THEIR BEST FIVE YEARS, I'M GREAT WITH THAT BECAUSE, UM, I I, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ONLY A DESTINATION JOB.
IF THAT'S A DESTINATION JOB, THAT'S GREAT TOO.
BUT I WOULD LOVE SOMEONE WHO'S A SCRAPPER WHO WANTED TO COME IN AND, AND MAKE THEIR IMPACT AND BRING THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
UM, SO IF WE CHOOSE TO GO TO A HIGH END OF THE RANGE, WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE THAT A 24% INCREASE IN THE SALARY IS A REALLY BIG IMPACT MONETARILY WISE, WHAT IT MEANS FOR OTHER, UM, HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR OUR BIGGER BUDGET OVERALL.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LIMIT OURSELVES WHEN A, WHEN A CANDIDATE LOOKS AT OUR BUDGET, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT OUR BUDGET IS ROBUST, WELL MANAGED, AND WE'RE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AND THEY WILL KNOW IF THEY FIT.
IF THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS AMAZING FAMILY CULTURE AND THIS IS THEIR DESIRE TO DO THE WORK THAT'S HERE, THEN THEY WILL UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS, THE PIECES AND PARTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND, AND YET WE HAVE A STRONG BUDGET.
SO IF WE, WE DON'T, WE CAN KEEP OURSELVES IN A, IN A RANGE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS MUCH VERY MUCH PUBLICLY BECAUSE AGAIN, IT TAKES AWAY OUR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE AND TO TALK AND TO WORK AS A COMMITTEE OR AS A, UH, A CITY TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS, OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR SPOT, UH, CITY MANAGER.
WE, WE HIRED A THIRD PARTY PERSON FOR A REASON.
HE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF US.
I THINK HE HAS A COMFORTABLE RANGE.
IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM, I ALSO SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA LOSE, LIKE, LIKE MARK SAID, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE, THE RIGHT PERSON, THE PERSON THAT FITS BASED ON INCOME, BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN ENHANCE THE PACKAGE WITH, YOU KNOW, RELOCATION STUFF OR SOME KIND OF SIGNING BONUS OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE CAN, PUZZLE PIECES THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THIS.
UM, I GET THE IMPRESSION OF SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS FROM HIM OF WHERE OUR COMFORTABLE RANGE IS.
THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY BASED ON EXPERIENCE.
SO I THINK OPTION B, HE HAS HIS MARCHING ORDERS IN PRETTY BIG
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RANGE BASED ON EXPERIENCE FOR WHERE WE'RE COMFORTABLE.AND SO IF THAT CAPTURES IT, I'LL LET BRETT KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION THAT HE NEEDS, HE ALREADY HAS ABOUT THE RANGE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD ULTIMATELY BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND HE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT AS BEST AS HE SEES FIT TO APPLICANTS TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE RANGE.
BUT WE WON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE POSTING ONE FORMALLY AND BRETT CAN WATCH THIS VIDEO.
AND SO CAN ANYONE APPLY? I, I GUESS I'M JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE BACK TO THE, WHEN I START, IS IT TWO TO TWO 50 AND THEN GO HIGHER IF YOU NEED IT? I MEAN, ON ONE SENSE YOU SAY HE'S GOT THE INFORMATION, BUT I THINK YOU GOTTA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR TO BRETT RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING HIM.
I EMAILED HIM, I THINK EVERYBODY COULD EMAIL HIM, BUT IF HE GETS SEVEN DIFFERENT EMAILS, I THINK WE NEED TO WALK AWAY WITH A NUMBER FROM HERE.
YOU WERE SITTING WITH, AT LEAST FROM WHAT LAST WE SAW AT BRETT IS HERE, THE 2 25 TO 2 75.
AND COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU POSSIBLY BEING A LITTLE LOWER THAN THAT.
YEAH, AND I'M, IF EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS OTHER, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A NUMBER THAT WE WALK AWAY FROM HERE AND I THINK IT COULD END UP BEING ANYWHERE FROM 200 TO 2 75 AND THAT'S A BIG RANGE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT YEAH, OKAY.
PEOPLE THAT MAY APPLY COMING FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, AND WHEN WE GET THE RIGHT CANDIDATE, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR BRETT TO WORK WITH.
WHAT'S NEXT? ANYTHING? AND SO YES, HE WILL BE ASKED, WILL RESIDENCY BE REQUIRED TO AGAINST OUR CITY CHARTER? I'M SORRY.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH OUR CITY CHARTER.
THIS, THIS CITY CHARTER IS SILENT ABOUT A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT.
SO SEVERAL CITIES WITH CITY MANAGER COMMISSION CHARTERS DO BY WAY OF ORDINANCE, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT I SAID IN THE, UM, IN THE EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU ALL.
SO WITH THAT SAID, IF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING IT TO OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ADDING IT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE BECAUSE THEN WE END UP BEING LOCKED IN TO PAYING A SALARY BASED ON PROPERTY VALUES AS OPPOSED TO BASED ON THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
YOU POP UP IN A MORTGAGE CALCULATOR AND START TO DO, UH, THE MATH, UH, ON THAT AND WHAT THE EQUITY THAT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UH, AND THEN WHAT THE SALARY WOULD HAVE TO BE TO AFFORD KIND OF A NEW HOME, UH, IN, UH, IN BRENTWOOD.
AND, UH, THERE'S A DISPARITY IN, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE RANGE SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND SO COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH BRETT COMMUNICATING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF RESIDENCY IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, BUT THE COMMISSION RECOGNIZES THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THE CHARTER AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
WE DISCUSS THE ROCKET FACILITY ABOUT THE, SO I CAN TELL YOU, I, AS I EMAILED YOU ALL, WE REACHED OUT TO JEFF OLDEN AND RUSS MILLER.
UM, THEY SEEM, THEY MADE IT SEEM LIKE THEM PRESENTING, PUTTING TOGETHER A MEMO FOR US AND BEING ABLE TO COME TALK TO YOU GUYS SHOULD BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR THEM.
WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A TIMELINE FROM THEM, SO I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP.
CAN YOU LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'VE REACHED OUT? ABSOLUTELY.
EVERY WE CAN, EVERY EVERYBODY GREAT.