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ALRIGHT.UM, SO MONDAY NIGHT WE DO HAVE
[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing July 18, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the July 22nd Agenda, the below items will be discussed: Discussion with Bret Bauer from Government Professional Solutions regarding the City Manager search process Direction from Commissioners regarding what is the desired next step regarding Old Smyrna Road Discuss possible plans for a Veteran's Day event Discussion on Racquet Facility Status This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
A ECD MEETING AT 6 45 AND HOLLY WILL SEND YOU A REMINDER, UH, NOTHING OTHER THAN OUR NORMAL QUARTERLY MEETING REQUIREMENT OR FINANCIAL REPORT AND REPORT FROM, UH, KATHLEEN FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA.THEN WE HAVE A OATH OF OFFICE FOR TWO FIREFIGHTERS, UH, ALEXANDER ACKLES AND BRIAN WILLIAMS. WE'LL BE BACK FIRST, UM, PRETTY LIGHT AGENDA.
FIRST ITEM ON CONSENT AGENDA, UH, AS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE FOR THEIR HIRING, TRAINING AND RECRUITMENT GRANT.
RICHARD, I DON'T, THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS CHANGING THE DEFINITION, CHANGING A DEFINITION.
UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF THIS AT LEAST.
UM, ITEM TWO IS THE RENEWAL OF OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH OCLC INCORPORATED, WHICH IS THE CATALOGING SOFTWARE SYSTEM AT THE LIBRARY THAT GETS ALL THE RECORD DATA STUFF INTO THE CATALOG AND ALL THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE FROM THE LIBRARY, SO THAT MAY BE THE BEST EXPLANATION YOU GET THERE.
UNLESS, UNLESS OUR LIBRARY BOARD REPRESENTATIVE
I MEAN, IT'S A SYSTEM WE'VE HAD IN PLACE, UM, FOREVER AND IT KIND OF IS THE, THE GUTS AND BRAINS I THINK OF THE, OF THE OVERALL SYSTEM DOWN THERE FOR THE LIBRARY.
IT ALSO IS FOR THE MOBILE APP FOR THE LIBRARIES UNDER THAT SAME COMPANY, AND THAT'S 34 9 AND THAT'S PART OF THE LIBRARY'S BUDGET.
UH, ITEM THREE ARE SOME CHANGES TO THE AR IP PLAN FOR THE CL SUBDIVISION.
BOB, I'LL LET YOU, IF YOU WANNA, I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING TOO SIGNIFICANT, BUT YOU TELL ME WHERE TO FLIP OR IF YOU WANNA FLIP.
UM, THERE'S SOME SOMEWHAT MINOR CHANGES BEING MADE, SEE IF I CAN POINT THEM OUT.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, OUR WATER DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE, UH, A REVISED LOCATION OF A WATER, UH, BOOSTER STATION NEAR THE ENTRANCE, UM, THAT IT'S BEEN SLIGHTLY MODIFIED TO MOVE WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE BOOSTER STATION IS LOCATED.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, CHRIS MILTON AND DREW ON THAT.
UM, THE ENTRANCE ROAD IS BEING WIDENED A LITTLE LITTLE BIT TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TRUCK TURNING MOVEMENTS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
UM, MOSTLY DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO, UH, AFTER IT'S, IT'S BUILT OUT SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE AN EASIER TIME COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME SMALLER CHANGES.
THE CENTER ISLAND OF THE, UH, THE ENTRY ROUNDABOUT IS BEING REDESIGNED TO, TO PERMIT A POSSIBLE GUARDHOUSE.
THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT YET OR NOT, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING THAT IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN ADJUSTMENTS TO GRADING AND UTILITIES, UH, FOR THE FINAL DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE DONE.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS FROM THREE OF THE LOTS UP ON THE, THE TOP OF THE HILLS, UH, THAT JUST SHIFTED THOSE LOT LINES TO SO THAT THEY, NOW THAT THEY KIND OF KNOW THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE HOMES BETTER.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE, THERE'S A LITTLE MAILBOX CENTRAL BOX THING AT THAT MIDDLE, MID KIND OF, YEAH.
YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS EVEN A CONSENT AGENDA ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IT.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE ABOUT WATER RUNOFF? I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD RAIN IN SEVERAL WEEKS, BUT HAS THERE BEEN NO, ANY WATER RUNOFF ISSUES PRIOR TO IN THE SPRING? I, I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
TODD, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? OKAY.
I GOT WIND OF THAT FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AND I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT HAVE REACHED OUT.
RIGHT OFF FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SITE INTO OTHER LINES THAT ARE ADJOIN.
THE ONES IN THE, IN THE BACK HERE OR IN THE FRONT? ARNOLD SMYRNA.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS KIND OF WEATHER HELPS YEAH.
UM, FLIP THROUGH THESE DRAWINGS HERE.
ITEM FOUR IS THE, UH, FORMAL ASKING YOUR FORMAL APPROVAL OF THE EMERGENCY CHANGE ORDER THAT I AUTHORIZED A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT I NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT RELATED TO THE, UH, UNSUITABLE SOILS IN THE, UH, AROUND THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT THERE AT MURRAY LANE, HOLLY TREE GAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE, SO DEREK OR SARAH, THE AREA IN RED IS WHERE THERE WAS THE BAD SOILS, CORRECT? YEAH.
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A LOT OF IT, HUH? YEAH, MOST OF THE OLD ROAD BED, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, SO THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS THEY TAKE THIS FULLY LOADED DUMP TRUCK AND THEY RUN IT UP AND DOWN ACROSS THERE AND SEE IF IT RUTS UP AND ALL THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THE THOUGHT.
AND THEN THEY DUG IT OUT AND FOUND ALL THAT LOVELY DIRT TOP ARE GOOD DIRT.
WE A GARDEN THAT GIVE US CONFIDENCE IN THE REST OF THE ROAD.
IF YOU HAD TO START DIGGING OUT THAT ROAD, WHY, WHAT IN THE WORLD ALL WE CAN DEAL WITH IS WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TEARING UP RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THAT ROAD HAS BEEN THERE FOR DECADES WITHOUT PROBLEMS. BUT OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU CAN'T, I, I'M NOT SUGGESTING OUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A WHOLE LOT OF CONFIDENCE.
A LOT OF TIMES THESE PROBLEMS ARE EXACERBATED WHEN IT'S DISTURBED.
SO IT'S KIND OF EARLY ON, BUT, UM, IS THE PLAN TO PUT IN KIND OF LOWER GREENERY IMPLANTS AND SHRUBS? BECAUSE WHEN I, I ACTUALLY DROVE TOWN CENTER LAST NIGHT YESTERDAY AND IT, IT'S HIGH ENOUGH THAT IT'S, YOU JUST KIND OF CAN'T SEE OTHER CARS COMING IN FROM THE OTHER ENTRANCES.
AND SO YEAH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE LANDSCAPE.
IS IT JUST GRASS OR SIDE? THERE'S NO PLANTINGS OF ANY ON THERE.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE, UM, IRRIGATION SLEEVE INTO THE CENTER COUNCIL, ELECTRICITY FOR OUR IRRIGATION.
IF PLANTS ARE PUT THERE ULTIMATELY, BUT IN THE MEANTIME IT'S JUST GONNA BE SAW.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE IS A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT BELIEVES THAT WHEN YOU PUT SOME SORT OF VEGETATION THERE TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF ONCOMING, IT MAKES YOU SLOW DOWN.
SO REALLY AT EACH APPROACH, ALL THEY REALLY NEED TO SEE IS TO THE LEFT.
AND SO ON CROCKETT, THE TWO WE HAVE ON CROCKETT, THEY THEY DO HAVE LANDSCAPING IN THEM.
I GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE ONE AT WITHERSPOON YESTERDAY.
THEY SAY THEY CAN'T SEE THERE'S SO MUCH FOLIAGE IN THERE.
WELL, THEY CAN SEE WHERE THEY NEED TO SEE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN SEE I'M, I'M KIND OF AGREE THE KIND OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING EFFECT OF THAT.
I MEAN THE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IS, IS YOU DON'T WANNA BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY SEE ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE.
AND THAT IS, IF I CAN TELL YOU, THE ONE AT RAINTREE HAS BEEN DRIVEN THROUGH MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND SO HAVING SOMETHING IN THERE THAT STICKS UP AND IS MORE VISIBLE ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY CATCHES THE EYE OF THE DRIVER.
THE SAME PERSON TOLD ME THAT NOBODY STOPS COMING OUTTA YOUR SUBDIVISION
ONLY IF THEY HAVE TO TURN DOES THEY JUST KEEP GOING.
ANYWAY, SO THE FINAL NUMBER ON THAT, I THINK I TOLD YOU IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN A LITTLE OVER 133.
IT ENDED UP BEING A 1 23, 9 29 IS THE CHANGE ORDER FOR DIGGING OUT ALL THAT SOIL AND THEN PUTTING BACK GOOD FILL MATERIAL AND, AND ALL THAT.
UM, AS I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, WE'RE STILL HOPEFULLY YEAH, LOOKS GOOD FOR MICAH HERE, WHATEVER THIS IS.
PROGRESS MEETING YESTERDAY WHERE IT IS TIGHT, BUT UH, WITH GOOD WEATHER.
YOU SEE THE CENTER ISLAND DONE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE REST OF IT IS THE POURING OF THE CONCRETE AROUND THE, THE DRIVE CIRCLE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE POURING THAT MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY AND THEY'RE DOING NIGHT FLOORS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, SHE'S RIGHT.
IS THAT AT NIGHT? BUT IT STARTS AT 3:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
SO BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT, CONCRETE'S CRACKING, PUTTING IT DOWN.
BINDER COAT SCHEDULE SATURDAY.
IS THERE A PLAN IF, IF WE'RE GONNA RUN UP AGAINST SCHOOL STARTING AT A CERTAIN POINT THAT YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE GOTTA TELL SCHOOLS, RIGHT? WELL, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ERIC GARDNER WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE, I'M DOING A BIWEEKLY PROGRESS.
UPDATE FOR HIM NOW, JUST TO KEEP COORDINATION GOING.
SUSANNA, YOU LIVE OVER THAT WAY.
DO PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE AT LEAST ADJUSTED TO THE TEACHER? YEAH, I'M NOT GETTING AS MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE GOING.
I MEAN, THE ONES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH HIGHLAND VIEW ARE JUST GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.
BUT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ADJUSTED.
SO, AND I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEONE WHO LIVES WITH AN EARSHOT OF THAT, NOT EYESIGHT, BUT EARSHOT AND THEY'RE PLEASED.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY ENJOYED THE ROAD BEING CLOSED FOR A LITTLE WHILE,
BUT THEY HAD A LOT OF, UM, PEOPLE SEEKING, UM, SEEKING ALTERNATE ROUTES COMING DOWN THEIR DEAD END STREET.
SO, UM, THEY MET A LOT OF NEW FRIENDS.
SO I THINK THE SPEED HELPS THE TEMPORARY ONES AND HIGHLY VIEW AND YEAH.
NOW WE MAY GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK WHEN WE GO BACK OUT AND TAKE THEM OUT, BUT WE WILL DO THAT JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, THERE'S A PROCESS IF THEY WANT TO KEEP, IF THEY YEAH.
AND THEY WOULD NOT BE THAT WHAT WE PUT IN THERE WERE JUST THE TEMPORARY PLASTIC ONES.
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MORE, THEN THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT, AS YOU SAID.I, I CAN SEE YOU IN A LITTLE GUARD SUIT.
ITEM FIVE IS A PURCHASE OF SOME TOOLS, BUDGETED TOOLS FOR THE, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT, UM, THEIR JAWS OF LIFE AND THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT IS, UH, $44,500, WHICH WAS WITHIN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT.
ARE THOSE GONNA BE LIGHTER WEIGHT? THEY HEAVIER, THEY'RE PRETTY HEAVY STILL, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED WITH HYDRAULIC HOSES.
SO YOU GOT MORE FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT, BUT THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE POWERFUL THAN THE HYDRAULIC.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK WE STARTED GOING TO THE BATTERY STUFF A COUPLE YEARS AGO, RIGHT? IS THE LAST TIME.
UM, MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE.
SIX IS APPROVAL TO PURCHASE REPLACEMENT OF THE DUTY RIFLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CIP BUDGET.
I THINK IT'S IN THE CIP BUDGET.
UH, MANY OF THE RIFLES THEY'RE USING NOW GO BACK TO 20 YEARS OLD PLUS, RIGHT.
18, OBVIOUSLY THEY BOUGHT SOME NEW ONES SINCE THEN.
SO THE PLAN HERE WAS TO, UM, KIND OF DO A TRADE IN SWAP TYPE OF THING, UM, AND GET NEW RIFLES.
THEY TESTED AND ZACH OR YOU, RICHARD, COME ON UP, BUT TESTED A VARIETY, SELECTED THIS RIFLE, UM, WHICH IS, UH, AVAILABLE THROUGH GT DISTRIBUTORS AS THE, AS THE, IT'S THE SINGLE VENDOR IN TENNESSEE THAT SELLS THIS RIFLE.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE AGENDA ITEM, THE TOTAL COST OF THE RIFLES IS 108,320.
BUT THEN WE'RE GETTING SOME TRADE IN VALUE FROM OUR EXISTING RIFLES PLUS A LITTLE BIT FROM SOME FIREARMS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN SURRENDERED TO THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO THE NET COST TO THE CITY IS 80,521 AND WE HAD 85,000 BUDGETED IN THE CIP BUDGET.
AND THIS DOESN'T CHANGE HOW Y'ALL MAIL THEM IN THE CARS AND STORM, I MEAN, SAW THE MAINTENANCE.
NO, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE TESTING.
THEY WANTED THE SAME PLATFORM SO THAT WE COULD USE OUR SAME RED DO OPTICS THO.
ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE CAN JUST TRANSFER OVER, DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO GET THESE ONES? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THAT WHAT THEY TOLD US TO TURN AROUND? WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD.
AND THIS RIFLE IS BEING USED BY, UH, SEVERAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE SOUTHEAST.
SEVERAL SWAT TEAMS. SO IT'S BEEN TESTED.
ITEM SEVEN IS A, UH, PURCHASE OF A SOFTWARE UPGRADE FOR OUR CAD SYSTEM, CENTRAL SQUARE CAD SYSTEM.
AND THIS IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE, UH, CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM.
AS FAR AS WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT INFORMATION.
NICK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THIS ONE OR APPARENTLY IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, WE'VE GOT SOME POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION THEY SHOULDN'T BE SEEING AND THIS HELPS US RESOLVE THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AS CAD GETS UPGRADED, WE WANNA BE DEVICE AGNOSTIC, SO WE WANNA BE SEE JUST COMPLIANT.
SO THIS UPGRADE IS GONNA HELP WITH THAT.
CAN WE GET COMING CLOSER FOR YOU? YEAH.
SO TTMS STANDS FOR TRITECH MESSAGING SWITCH.
UH, CENTRAL SQUARE BOUGHT TRITECH SEVEN PLUS YEARS AGO.
SO THEY'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR ARCHITECTURE AS THEY BUILD THEIR SOFTWARE.
SO WITH THIS UPGRADE, IT'S GONNA HELP, UH, ECD WITH BEING DEVICE AGNOSTIC AS WE UPGRADE AND BEING CJS COMPLIANT.
AND AGAIN, CJS IS THE STANDARDS BY WHICH SOME OF THIS CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION, WHICH IS CONFIDENTIAL CAN BE LIMITED ACCESS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
EVERYBODY IN ECD POLICE, EVEN US AS TECHS THAT HELP TOUCH THE EQUIPMENT, HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED PROCEDURES COMPLIANT.
AND THEY HAVE 40,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.
SO DOES GIS TYPICALLY KEEP 'EM FOR, UH, TWO DECADES? YEAH.
I MEAN THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT HEAVY, HEAVY DRIVERS OF THE, UH, YEAH.
SO THEIR CURRENT ONE I THINK GOES BACK TO WHEN WE CREATED THE GIS DIVISION IS WHEN THE, THE LAST VEHICLE THEY BOUGHT, WHAT IS AN IT HAUL IN THE BED OF THE PICKUP TRUCK.
THEY HAVE LONG, UM, POLES FOR THEIR, UH, GPSING EQUIPMENT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
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ARE THEY EVER CARRYING ANYTHING IN IT THAT NEEDS TO BE KEPT DRY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW.BUT I THINK THEY HAVE, THEY USE THAT.
THEY'RE ABLE TO CHOOSE WHEN THEY'RE OUT DOING STUFF BASED UPON THE WEATHER.
UM, BUT YEAH, SOME OF THE GGP SING EQUIPMENT IS LONG, LONG POLES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UH, AND THEN NINE IS THE APPROVAL OF, UH, PURCHASE OF VARIOUS COMPUTER REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S PART OF OUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR COMPUTERS, MAJORITY OF WHICH IS, UH, SOME OF OUR MOBILE DATA ITEMS IN POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES, POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPUTERS.
AND, UM, WE BUY THIS THROUGH FROM DELL THROUGH A CO-OP AGREEMENT, PIGGYBACK AGREEMENT THEY HAVE WITH THE WILSON COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION WHERE IT'S A CONTRACT THAT'S OPEN FOR OTHERS TO BUY OFF OF.
AND THE TOTAL HERE IS 1 67 7 90 AND ALL OF THIS, WELL, 1 58 OF IT IS IN THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT 9,000 THAT IS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATING BUDGET.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE NEW ITEMS. UM, NOT YET IN THE REPLACEMENT BUDGET.
SO THAT'S IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
I SO SHOW SHIPPING TO JOHN ALMAN.
THAT'S AN OLD, PROBABLY WHAT DELL HAS IN THEIR SYSTEM IS MY GUESS WHEN IN THE ORDER I, WE'LL GET IT CORRECTED, BUT I'M CONFIDENT JOHN WILL NOT BE TAKING POSSESSION OF THAT.
NICK, IF YOU COULD NOTE THAT, MAKE SURE MICHELLE UPDATES THAT WITH, UH, THE DELL FOLKS.
RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SIMPLE THINGS.
ONE FIRST ONE IS, UH, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, RELATED TO SOME EROSION CONTROL AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
Y'ALL WILL REMEMBER IN THE NON ROUTINE PLAN FOR LEGAL PLANNING.
ENGINEERING IS A UPDATE ON OUR STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE NEW, UH, MPDS STATE STORM WATER PERMIT.
SO WE HAVE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 1ST TO GET THOSE CHANGES DONE TO OUR CODE AND OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO ITEMS YOU'RE GONNA SEE RELATED TO THAT.
THIS ONE IS STARTING A LITTLE EARLIER THAN THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE THIS IS A ZONING ORDINANCE.
AMENDMENT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
YOUR NEXT AGENDA, WE WILL SEE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 56 OF THE CODE, WHICH IS THE STORMWATER CODE, BUT IT'S NOT PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED.
SO THAT'S WHY, AND WE HAVE A SCHEDULE HERE, BUT ALL THIS ONE IS DOING IS, IS CHANGING A, A WORDING REFERENCE IN MULTIPLE PLACES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE REFERENCE TO WATERWAY NATURAL AREAS, WHICH ARE THE REQUIRED BUFFERS ON EITHER SIDE OF A, OF A, UM, CLASSIFIED WATERWAY THAT'S IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN'T BE TOUCHED.
THAT WAS A TERM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A TERM FROM THE OLD, UM, PERMIT OR ONE WE CAME UP WITH.
BUT THE NEW PERMIT REFERS TO THOSE AS WATER QUALITY RIPARIAN BUFFERS INSTEAD OF WATERWAY NATURAL AREAS.
SO EVERYWHERE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING THAT REFERENCE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
AND THEN AS A, WE SHOW HERE ON ONE PAGE, 1 35 OF YOUR PACKET.
SO THAT HAPPENS AT YOUR MONDAY, JULY 22ND MEETING.
THIS ORDINANCE WILL THEN GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR AUGUST 5TH MEETING.
UM, THEY'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT ALSO.
YOU'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON AUGUST 12TH ON THIS ORDINANCE.
ALSO ON AUGUST 12TH, YOU'LL HAVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 56, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE WATER QUALITY RELATED STORM WATER, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE AMENDED INTO THE CODE.
UM, AND THEN THIS ORDINANCE AND THAT ORDINANCE WILL COME BACK TOGETHER FOR FINAL READING ON AUGUST 26TH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL ALSO CONSIDER SUBDIVISION REGULATION CHANGES.
AND ON AUGUST 5TH TO IMPLEMENT THOSE SAME CODE CHANGES, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DON'T COME TO YOU.
THOSE ARE JUST AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
UM, SO THIS ONE'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
THE NEXT ONE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND, AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT WITH YOU AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR AT THIS POINT, WE DID A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REWRITE OF OUR STORM WATER REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO QUANTITY TYPE REQUIREMENTS, DETENTION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THESE ARE GONNA BE MORE WATER QUALITY RELATED TYPE REQUIREMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY MUCH CHANGE TO THE DETENTION SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL GONNA
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BE ESSENTIALLY REQUIREMENTS COMING ON US FROM THE, THE NEW PERMIT ISSUED BY THE STATE.UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? NOPE.
AND THE NEXT ITEM, UH, A MINOR AMENDMENT TO, UM, THE PURCHASING CODE DOES REALLY TWO THINGS.
ONE, IT JUST SPECIFIES WHEN A PURCHASE ORDER IS REQUIRED, UH, AND CLARIFIES THAT A PURCHASE ORDER IS NOT REQUIRED WHEN IT'S, UH, AN ITEM THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS OVER $25,000.
SO PURCHASE ORDERS ARE FOR ANYTHING, ANY PURCHASE BETWEEN 10,020 4 999, UH, JUST FELT IT WAS REDUNDANT TO PUT THAT STEP IN THE PROCESS IF YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED IT FOR HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND THERE'S A SMALL CHANGE RELATIVE TO, I MIGHT LET KRISTEN ADDRESS THIS.
THE, UH, AUTHORIZATION FOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE STATE LAW ADDED, UM, BEFORE IT SAID THAT WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH PROPOSERS WHEN DOING A COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS PROCESS OR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
AND IT'S SINCE ADDED, UM, INTERVIEWS AND DEMONSTRATIONS.
SO WE JUST, WHILE WE HAD THE CODE OPEN AS A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT, WE JUST DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT IN FROM THE STATE LAW.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING.
WHERE IT SAYS, UM, ANYONE WHOSE PROPOSAL IS REASONABLY CAPABLE OF BEING ACCEPTED THAT THESE PEOPLE SHOULD ALL BE AFFORDED FAIR AND EQUAL TREATMENT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN IF THERE'S ONE YOU SIT DOWN TO DISCUSS WITH THAT YOU NEED TO DO IT WITH BOTH OF THEM? IT DOES.
OR AT LEAST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE.
YOU NEED TO GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OR DEMONSTRATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO SAY YES.
AND IF THEY DON'T SAY YES, THEN YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR THE OTHER PROPOSER.
BUT YOU DO HAVE TO GIVE EVERYONE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.
WHO'S DEAN? HISTORIC QUALIFIED? YEP.
WHO'S DEAN TO BE QUALIFIED, HISTORIC THINGS.
WE WERE, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN PARAMETERS WE WANT WORK IN.
AND EVERYBODY THAT BIDS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE MM-HMM.
SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE DEEMED BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SOMETIMES THEY WOULD'VE TO BE DEEMED A RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIBLE, QUALIFIED PROPOSER.
WELL, JAY HAS MET WITH EVERYBODY UNDER THE SUN, SO YES.
I KNOW YOU WORK ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AND, AND SOMETIMES WE COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE SELECTION SO WE CAN WORK WITH PARTICULAR CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE A HISTORY WITH OUR BUILDINGS.
YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON THIS, JACK.
I'M SORRY YOU HAD, SO YEAH, JUST ONE OTHER THING.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT, WE KIND OF GOT STARTED BEFORE IT.
CHIEF, CAN YOU JUST TELL US ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE SWEARING IN AND KIND OF GIVE US A STATUS ON HOW MANY OPENINGS, ET CETERA? SO, UM, THE TWO THAT ARE COMING TO US BOTH ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED.
UH, ONE'S THE PARAMEDICS, HE ORIGINALLY GOT HIS FIRE SERVICE EXPERIENCE IN MASSACHUSETTS AND THEN RELOCATED HERE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, AND WAS WORKING AT THE COUNTY AS A PARAMEDIC WHEN WE PICKED HIM UP.
UH, THE OTHER GUY, UM, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH HIM.
HE ACTUALLY, UH, WORKED AT NOLANSVILLE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
WENT THROUGH SOME TRAINING WITH US.
WE WERE PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH HIM THEN.
AND THEN HE HAD LEFT AND GONE BACK TO COOKVILLE, SOME MOVEMENT AROUND THERE.
THE, THE, THE COOKVILLE CHIEF ACTUALLY CAUGHT ME YESTERDAY AT A CONFERENCE AND SAID, HEY, IF HE EVER DECIDES TO LEAVE, HE CAN COME BACK TO US ANYTIME.
SO, UM, THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY OUTSTANDING FOLKS.
EVERYBODY'S BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED.
WE HAVE A TEST SCHEDULED NEXT MONDAY, GOT 20 SOMETHING FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN TESTING.
AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL CERTIFIED FOLKS.
WE HAVE ONE VACANCY AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, UM, ALREADY HIRE PROBABLY OFF OF THIS TEST FOR AN ANTICIPATED RETIREMENT IN DECEMBER.
SO WE SHOULD BE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
WHILE WE'RE AT IT, RICHARD, DO YOU WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON YOUR STAFFING STATUS? SURE.
AND I WOULDN'T ASK IF IT WASN'T FAIRLY GOOD NEWS.
UH, WITH, WITH THE JOB OFFERS WE'VE MADE, UH, IF THEY ALL PAN OUT, WE WILL BE ACTUALLY TOO OVERSTAFFED.
ANTICIPATING RETIREMENTS COMING, UH, THIS FALL AND EARLY NEXT YEAR.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL IN TRAINING.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ON THE ROAD SERVING AS POLICE OFFICERS YET, AS YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF SOMETIMES TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT WE'RE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE TODAY THAN WE'VE BEEN IN A LONG TIME.
WHAT DO YOU THINK CHANGED THAT, CONTRIBUTE TO THAT? UM, REALLY, I THINK SOME GREAT WORK BY HR AND GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT.
WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HAS ATTRACTED SOME INCREDIBLE PEOPLE, I BELIEVE.
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UM, I THINK THAT'S A CHANGE.AND I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A NATIONWIDE SHIFT A LITTLE BIT IN POLICING.
I SHARED WITH KIRK A COUPLE DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A NEW GALLUP POLL THAT CAME OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, POLICE PROFESSIONS ABOUT THIRD AS FAR AS THE MOST TRUSTED PROFESSION, LOT MORE TRUSTED THAN LAWYERS.
YEAH, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
I'M STARTING TO HEAR THAT IS RIGHT BELOW ENGINEERS.
SO, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A SHIFT NATIONWIDE.
IT'S HELPED OBVIOUSLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY I THINK LOCALLY, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO PROMOTE OURSELVES HAS REALLY HELPED.
SO THEY'RE SEEING THE POST, THEY'RE SEEING YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND WHATEVER, SOMEHOW.
AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HIRED RECENTLY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY DID THE RESEARCH OF WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE, AND THIS IS WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE.
THAT'S WHY SOME OF THEM ARE DRIVING FROM CLARKSVILLE TO COME HERE TO WORK.
I THOUGHT WHILE YOU WERE HERE.
UM, OKAY, SO THAT ENDS THE AGENDA STUFF.
I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE ALREADY MET, UH, BRETT BAUER WITH GPS, GOVERNMENT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR SOLUTIONS, I'M SORRY, SOLUTIONS, I'M SORRY, UH, WHO YOU'VE ALL ENGAGED FOR THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, UM, FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION.
SO YOU WANT TO SIT HERE OR YOU, I I CAN SIT, I CAN STAND.
THERE'S A VACANT SEAT RIGHT HERE ON THAT SEAT.
I, I'VE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, TYPICALLY DEPARTMENT HEADS WHEN THEY'RE DONE, UH, THEY'RE OUTTA HERE,
UM, IF YOU LOOK AROUND THOUGH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS, UM, UM, SO WELL I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO MEET ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES YOU'RE ON SHOW THEY WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT.
SO I DID NOT WANNA, EVERYBODY WAS IN A CONVERSATION AND I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT PEOPLE'S CONVERSATIONS.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, FOR THE STAFF THAT I DID NOT GET TO MEET AND VISIT WITH, HOPEFULLY I WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY LATER TODAY TO DO THAT.
UM, FORMALLY, BUT YES, UM, AS KIRK INTRODUCED ME, MY NAME IS BRETT BAUER.
UH, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF, 'CAUSE I KNOW MAYOR GORMAN, YOU, UM, YOU ASKED ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND, SO I WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THIS.
UM, BORN AND RAISED IN, IN WICHITA, KANSAS.
UM, GOT MY UNDERGRAD AND AND GRADUATE DEGREE, MY MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM WICHITA STATE UNIVERSITY.
UM, MY FIRST, UM, REAL JOB IN THE REAL WORLD WAS, UH, AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN SMITHVILLE, MISSOURI.
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PART OF KANSAS CITY UP IN ST.
JOE IN OUR CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT AGO.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, HE WAS FROM KANSAS.
HE LEFT ME AFTER HE HIRED ME TO GO ACCEPT A NEW POSITION IN KANSAS.
AND I DIDN'T WANNA BE IN MISSOURI BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, KANSANS AND MISSOURIANS, WE DON'T GET ALONG THE BEST
SO AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS, I WENT BACK TO KANSAS AS WELL, UH, BECAME A FIRST TIME CITY MANAGER IN KANSAS.
UM, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, UM, I DISCOVERED THAT I, I'M TIRED OF SHOVELING SNOW.
I DID NOT LIKE THE COLD WEATHER
AND, UM, I WAS IN THAT POSITION FOR ROUGHLY SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, I MADE MY WAY SOUTH TO TEXAS.
AND I'VE BEEN IN TEXAS EVER SINCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, LOVE THE WEATHER THERE.
I'M ACTUALLY CONSIDERED TO BE IN EAST TEXAS, WHICH IS GOOD.
THERE'S MORE TREES THERE AND EVERYTHING'S MORE GREEN.
WE GET MORE RAIN THAN THE REST OF TEXAS.
SO WHAT CITY? UH, GUN BARREL CITY.
UM, LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, AND FOR THE, FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE ROOM, THE CITY SEAL, THE OFFICIAL CITY SEAL HAS CROSSED SIX SHOOTERS.
UM, THAT WOULD NOT APPEAL TO ME AT ALL.
UM, BUT, UH, SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND AND A, AND A VERY SHORT STORY.
UM, APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO, UH, MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I, AND, AND HE WAS AN ASSISTANT IN MISSOURI AT THE SAME TIME THAT I WAS.
IN FACT, WE MET AT A GOLF TOURNAMENT AT A CITY MANAGER GOLF TOURNAMENT.
AND THAT WAS, UM, YOU STAY THERE, I'LL RIGHT HERE.
THAT WAS WHEN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST MET ONE ANOTHER AND WE GOT TO TALK.
AND WE WERE BOTH COMING UP AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, AND, UM, SO I FEEL FOR YOU AND THE JOKE THAT YOU TOOK JUST A MINUTE AGO.
'CAUSE MY BUSINESS PARTNER, HE TOO, IS A LAWYER AND HE CATCHES ALL THOSE JOKES AS WELL.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES I'M THE ONE MAKING 'EM TO HIM.
SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, AND ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO IN 2019, HE AND I, AND HE, HE TOOK HIS CAREER PATH TOWARDS COLORADO, UH, IN THE COLORADO SPRINGS AREA.
UH, HIS WIFE SERVED IN THE, IN THE US ARMY, UM, WAS AN OFFICER IN THE ARMY.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE HE'S CURRENTLY AT, STILL TO THIS DAY.
BUT IN 2019, UM, HE AND I DECIDED TO START GOVERNMENT PROFESSIONAL SOLUTIONS OVER GPS.
UM, WE, WE'VE BOTH BEEN CITY MANAGERS BEFORE AND WE'VE, WE BOTH HIRED, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FIRMS. AND I'M NOT GONNA MENTION ANY, ANY NAMES HERE.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE LEFT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE EXPERIENCES
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SCRATCHING OUR HEAD, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID WE ACTUALLY HIRE, WHAT DID WE GET? UM, AND WE JUST FELT LIKE WE COULD PROVIDE A MORE PERSONAL SERVICE, UH, A BETTER QUALITY OF SERVICE.UM, FAST FORWARD TO PRESENT DAY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT I HAVE NOT MET YET.
AND THAT, UM, BRINGS ME HERE TODAY.
UM, YOU GUYS, BEFORE WE DO GET INTO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION OF THAT CANDIDATE PROFILE AND THAT GREETING MATRIX, I DO HAVE TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD, I'VE SAID IT IN AN EMAIL TO, TO KIRK EARLIER THIS WEEK.
VERY RARELY DO WE GET, UM, THE VERY ACTIVE AND 100% RESPONSE RATE, UM, FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY STAFF THAT PRODUCE AND PROVIDING WITH US WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT, THAT, THAT SURVEY DOES PROVIDE US.
AND I TOLD MENTIONED TO KURT THAT, UM, YOU GUYS HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT RESPONSE RATE.
AND SO KUDOS AND APPLAUD TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I REALLY HOPE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND VISIT WITH THE STAFF AT SOME POINT TODAY.
I'M STUNNED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
I MEAN, REALLY, I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE EXCEPTIONAL AT ALL, THAT WE ALL RESPONDED.
WELL, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T GET A HUNDRED PERCENT RESPONSE RATE.
THAT'S SO, THE FACT, THAT'S AMAZING.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DO, YOU GUYS ARE WELL ABOVE, ABOVE THE BAR EXCELLENCE IN BRENTWOOD.
BUT, UM, WITH THAT SAID, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS OR TALK ABOUT HOW, HOW, HOW BIG A HOW BIG A POOL DO YOU THINK YOU'RE REALLY GONNA PULL IN? JUST THE ROUGH, I MEAN, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A LOT OF APPLICATIONS OR ARE WE TALKING, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM A HANDFUL TO HERE? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATIONS? THAT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE QUESTION.
IT'S HARD TO GIVE ME AN OBJECTIVE ANSWER.
UM, AND KIRK AND I HAVE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO, IN ONE OF OUR EARLIER CONVERSATIONS.
WE DID A, UH, MANAGER RECRUITMENT FOR A SUBURB OF DALLAS HERE WITHIN THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS.
UM, THIS SUBURB VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO YOU GUYS.
IT'S IN A VERY DESIRABLE LOCATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY REGIONALLY, BUT ALSO NATIONALLY.
UM, THEY'RE EXPERIENCE A, A LARGE ECONOMIC BOOM, UM, A LOT OF MEDICAL FACILITIES IN THIS WITHIN THIS, UM, CITY'S LIMITS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY RECEIVED, I THINK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS 76 TOTAL CANDIDATES APPLIED FOR THAT POSITION.
UM, THIS IS GETTING WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF AND, AND ANY CONVERSATION, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WHEN WE, WHEN THE ADVERTISING PERIOD DOES END, UH, YOU KNOW, I WILL COME BACK AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND I WILL GO OVER THE ENTIRE CANDIDATE POOL WITH ALL OF YOU THAT ENTIRE CANDIDATE POOL.
I WILL BREAK THAT UP INTO THREE TIERS OR THREE CATEGORIES, OKAY? TIER ONE, TIER TWO, AND TIER THREE.
UM, TIER THREE ARE THOSE CANDIDATES THAT DO NOT MEET YOUR MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS PERIOD.
SO UNLESS THERE'S AN, UM, SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY, THAT MAY LIVE LOCALLY OR SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT, WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY DO THAT.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE FOLKS DO NOT MEET YOUR MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
SO I WILL NOT WASTE YOUR TIME IN GOING OVER THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UM, UM, RESUMES AND, AND HIGHLIGHTS.
OKAY? THE TIER TWO FOLKS WILL MEET YOUR MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS AND THAT'S IT, PERIOD.
THE TIER ONE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO EXCEED YOUR QUALIFICATIONS, YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO PUT A, A DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF THERE IS THAT 25 TO 35, MAYBE EVEN 40, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD CANDIDATE POOL.
UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL NOT MEET YOUR MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
LEMME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.
YOU'VE GOT THE SPILL DOWN TELLING US WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHAT YOU, ET CETERA.
TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT YOU THAT YOU DON'T NORMALLY TELL OTHER PEOPLE.
SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU SMILE.
THIS IS NORMALLY THE QUESTION I ASK PEOPLE WHEN IM INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY.
TWO MALCONTENTS FROM MISSOURI FORMED A BUSINESS
MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I WE'RE BOTH FROM KANSAS AND THAT'S, YOU BOTH WERE IN MISSOURI AND DIDN'T LIKE IT.
WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT I GLEANED FROM WHAT YOU TOLD US ABOUT YOURSELF.
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MIGHT BE A LOT OF TENNESSEE TITAN FANS HERE.AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE PATRICK MAHOMES HAS TAKEN THE, THE REIGNS IN KANSAS CITY THAT WE'VE BROKEN THE HEARTS OF SOME TENNESSEE TITAN FANS, I'M SURE
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT I WOULD DISCLOSE THAT I WAS NOT PLANNING ON DISCLOSING, AND THAT I NORMALLY DO NOT DISCLOSE
SO
AND I'LL INTERJECT MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW.
WERE AT THAT A FC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME WHEN, WHEN IT WAS NEGATIVE FOUR.
AND THEY SAID THAT, UH, CHIEFS FANS WERE THE MOST GRACIOUS FANS THEY'D EVER HAD ON A ROAD GAME, EVEN LIKE A REGULAR SEASON, MUCH LESS A SC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
THEY WERE VERY GRACIOUS AND NICE AND, AND ALL SO THEY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE GAME WHEN THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GONNA WIN, THEY WERE NICE.
SO BRETT, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR REACHING THOSE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES THAT MAY ACTUALLY NOT BE CURRENTLY SEEKING A POSITION, BUT THEY'RE EXTREMELY QUALIFIED AND YOU THINK MAYBE IN YOUR WORLD OF CITY MANAGER THAT THEY'D BE A GOOD FIT? WELL, DIRECT CONTACT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SHORT AND DIRECT, UH, BOTH MY BUSINESS PARTNER AND I, WE HAVE WELL OVER 7,500, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL CONTACTS IN THIS PROFESSION.
AND NOT ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE CURRENT CITY MANAGERS.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, OR SOME LEVEL OF EXECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVANT.
UM, SO, SO BEING ABLE TO TAP OUR PERSONAL NETWORK, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD DO BEYOND THE NORMALS AND THE NORMALS WOULD BE NOW WE'RE GETTING AHEAD TO, UH, UH, IN, IN THIS PROCESS, BUT ALSO SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO PUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AND START THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE ADVERTISED.
AND THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT KIRK AND I HAVE HAD TOO.
UM, IN SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND THE ICMA, THE INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY MANAGER ASSOCIATION.
UM, ALSO YOUR, YOUR STATE ORGANIZATIONS.
I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED TML, THE, UM, TML ALSO STANDS FOR TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE IN TEXAS.
SO I'M KIND OF ADJUSTING THE T HERE, UM, THE TENNESSEE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, STATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT INCLUDE, UM, CITY AND COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL.
UM, KIRK AND I HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL DEFINITELY ADVERTISE IN TEXAS, BUT I CAN ALSO ADVERTISE WHERE YOU DON'T WANT ME TO, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, I WON'T DO IT.
UH, BUT KIRK AND I HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, FLORIDA, FLORIDA HAS A VERY, VERY GOOD, UM, CITY MANAGER, UM, GROUP OF POOL INDIVIDUALS, FLORIDA AND TENNESSEE ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
UM, IN, IN RE IN THAT REGARDS, BOTH STATES HAVE, UM, NO STATE INCOME TAX.
SO I DON'T THINK INDIVIDUALS WOULD SEE AN ISSUE IN THAT SORT OF TRANSITION FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER.
UH, GEORGIA I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.
NORTH CAROLINA I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD ONE AS WELL.
UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE EASTERN BORDER OF TENNESSEE DOES, BUT UP TO NORTH CAROLINA, I THINK THAT, AND NORTH CAROLINA IS ANOTHER GREAT CITY MANAGER STATE AS WELL.
UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, GENERAL THOUGHTS THAT, THAT KIRK AND I HAVE SHARED BACK AND FORTH IN A CONVERSATION.
UM, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
WE, UM, WE THINK BRENTWOODS GREAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE THINK PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO COME HERE.
LET'S, LET'S GET INTO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW KIRK AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND, AND I KNOW KIRK HAS DISCLOSED WHAT HIS CURRENT ANNUAL SALARY IS, UM, TO ME.
BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DISCUSS COLLECTIVELY AND MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE DO GET INTO THAT ADVERTISING PERIOD, I MAY VERY WELL RECEIVE QUESTIONS, PHONE CALLS, TEXT MESSAGES, EMAILS, WHATEVER FROM PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES AND EVEN CANDIDATES THAT HAVE ALREADY APPLIED THAT ARE GONNA BE ASKING THAT QUESTION.
NOW THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO AVENUES THAT YOU COULD TAKE IN THIS REGARDS TO THE SALARY RANGE WITH THE ADVERTISING MATERIAL.
UM, SOME, SOME GOVERNING BODIES, SOME CITIES CHOOSE NOT TO PUT THE SALARY RANGE IN THEIR ADVERTISING OR MARKETING MATERIAL.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH.
I THINK THE BEST APPROACH IS TO PUT YOUR SALARY RANGE IN YOUR MARKETING MATERIAL.
UM, THAT'S GOING TO TELL THOSE PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES RIGHT THEN AND THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY GOING TO THINK OF THEM AS A CANDIDATE IF THEY
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ARE A SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE AT THE END OF THE PRO, UH, PROCESS.UM, IF THEY'RE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THAT MID TO UPPER RANGE OF WHATEVER THAT RANGE IS, THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN WASTE THEIR TIME IN APPLYING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE NOT TO, I CAN.
SO I WILL YOU GO AHEAD, NELSON.
SO ALONG THOSE LINES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SURVEY YOU SENT OUT AND INFORMATION YOU GATHERED.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE RESULT OF THAT WAS THAT WE'D LIKE TO FIND, UM, A BRILLIANT EXECUTIVE WITH AMAZING PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS AND GOOD SOCIAL SKILLS AND SENSE OF HUMOR, YOU KNOW, WHICH SEEMS IT, I GUESS THE TWO QUESTIONS ARE ONE, ONE IS THAT PRETTY TYPICAL? 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE WHAT EVERYONE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
AND THE SECOND IS, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CITY AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE GIVEN THE PROFILE WE'RE SETTING, WHAT RANGE WE NEED TO BE IN TO ATTRACT THAT PERSON? 'CAUSE ON ONE HAND YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PAY? BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DON'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T SHOPPED FOR CITY MANAGER IN DECADES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE SOME OF THE CITY STAFF HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE MARKET IS LIKE.
AND I, I KNOW I CAN'T SELL CARS FOR OVER MARKET.
YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE CANT SELL ANYTHING FOR OVER THE MARKET RATES, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERTISE, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT THE MARKET RATE IS.
WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UM, YES.
A LOT OF THE SAME SIMILARITIES THAT, THAT I INCORPORATED FROM THE SURVEY RESPONSES TO CREATE THAT CANDIDATE PROFILE FOR YOU, UM, IS THE SAME FOR OTHER CITIES.
WHAT IS DIFFERENT, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM EVERY CITY TO CITY, IS ONCE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, GET THAT CANDIDATE POOL NARROWED DOWN TO A GROUP OF LIKE FINALISTS THAT YOU GUYS WILL INVITE FOR IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS, OKAY.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEM PROGRESS THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR A QUICK MINUTE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WENT THROUGH, UH, MY PROPOSAL.
YOU GUYS PROBABLY UNDERSTAND IT, BUT JUST SO SINCE WE'RE ALL FACE TO FACE, LET'S VERBALLY TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT QUICK.
CAN I ASK MY QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
'CAUSE IT MIGHT AFFECT WHO YOU CHOOSE.
WE'VE HAD TWO CITY MANAGERS IN 32 YEARS, AND ONLY TWICE HAVE WE HAD PEOPLE, WELL, THE FIRST ONE WHO WAS HIRED SIX MONTHS BEFORE I CAME OUT, HE WAS THE SECOND CHOICE.
THE FIRST PERSON THAT WAS CHOSEN, HIS FAMILY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANNA MOVE AFTER IT WAS IN THE PAPERS AND EVERYTHING.
OKAY? THEN A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WE HIRED A NEW DEPARTMENT HEAD FROM OUT OF STATE.
THE FIRST CA UH, CANDIDATE FOR CITY MANAGER BACK THEN WAS A MALE.
SO WE'VE HAD IT FROM BOTH SIDES.
THEY CAME, SHE WAS HERE, WHAT A MONTH, SIX WEEKS.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT WANTING TO MOVE BACK.
HOW DO YOU GAUGE THE SPOUSE'S WILLINGNESS TO PICK UP AND MOVE BEFORE YOU SEND US SOMEONE? WELL, I, I CAN'T TELL, UH, A CANDIDATE THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY TELL THEIR SPOUSE TO
BUT ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO, AND THIS KIND OF TIE BACK INTO YOUR, YOUR TWO QUESTIONS, OKAY? MM-HMM.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE CONNECTED.
BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, AFTER THE ADVERTISING PERIOD ENDS, I WILL BE BACK TO, TO GO OVER THE ENTIRE CANDIDATE WITH YOU AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, YOU GUYS WILL SELECT, UN IDENTIFY A GROUP OF SEMI-FINALISTS, OKAY? THOSE SEMI-FINALISTS ARE GONNA HAVE MULTIPLE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS FROM ME.
NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLETE A CANDIDATE QUESTIONNAIRE, OKAY? IT'S GONNA FORCE THEM TO GO INTO MUCH GREATER DETAIL OTHER THAN THE HIGHLIGHTS THEY PUT IN THEIR COVER LETTER AND RESUME AND THOSE INITIAL, UM, MATERIALS.
OKAY? THE SECOND THING THAT THEY WILL GO THROUGH IS THAT THEY WILL SET, UM, VIRTUALLY MEET WITH MY BUSINESS PARTNER, AND HIS NAME IS CHRIS LOWE, BY THE WAY.
OKAY? SO THEY WILL VIRTUALLY MEET WITH CHRIS AND I, AND, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 MINUTES LONG.
IT DOES NOT TAKE PLACE IN LIEU OF AN INTERVIEW EITHER.
THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE LIKE TO PROVIDE THOSE SEMI-FINALISTS, UH, WITH, UM, PROVIDING US, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, SHARE THEIR PROFESSIONAL JOURNEYS WITH US, WHETHER IT'S IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, PRIVATE SECTOR, YOU KNOW, COMBINATION, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, BUT WE DO SHARE THOSE RECORDINGS WITH OUR CLIENTS IN THIS CASE, YOU GUYS, UM, AFTER THAT, UH, WE'LL BE NARROWING THAT DOWN AGAIN TO A GROUP OF FINALISTS.
YOU GUYS WILL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO WATCH THOSE VIDEOS.
THIS IS THE SECOND PART TO YOUR, UM, QUESTIONNAIRE OR YOUR SECOND QUESTION.
WHEN WE GET TO, IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS, EVEN THOUGH THOSE MATERIALS OR THE LANGUAGE IN THE CANDIDATE PROFILE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR FROM, YOU KNOW, ONE CLIENT TO THE NEXT, WHAT'S DIFFERENT IS, IS NO FIT IS THE SAME.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, WHEN YOU GUYS GET TO THE IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS,
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YOU GUYS KNOW YOU BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.YOU GUYS KNOW WHO'S GOING TO FIT WITH YOU GUYS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT THAT POINT IN TIME ARE GOING TO EXCEED THE EXPECTATIONS, THEY EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND, AND REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO A FIT WHO YOU GUYS ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH.
NOW, COMING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS AND, AND WHEN WE VIRTUALLY MEET WITH THOSE SEMI-FINALISTS, THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU GUYS ARE THE MOST INTERESTED IN, RIGHT? SO WE CAN DEFINITELY LET THEM KNOW, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE SEMI-FINALISTS.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS OR, OR YOUR SPOUSE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UH, BECAUSE IF, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THERE'S NO HAPPY SPOUSE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO HAPPY, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION TO A NEW POSITION.
SO, UM, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, LET THEM KNOW THAT SO THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
BUT BEYOND THAT, WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROVIDE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN IN THE WORLD, BUT IT'S UP TO THEM.
WELL, I'VE NEVER FLOWN OUT FOR AN INTERVIEW ANYWHERE OR ANYTHING.
IS IT TYPICAL WHEN YOU BRING THIS PERSON IN THAT WE PAY THEIR WAY THAT WE WOULD OFFER TO PAY FOR THEIR SPOUSE TO COME WITH THEM? YES.
SO THEY GET, THEY SEE THINGS ON AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GOVERNING BODIES, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN, IN PROVIDING ANYTHING.
NOW WE'RE REALLY GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES IN THIS CONVERSATION,
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GOVERNING BODIES, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO INCLUDE THE SPOUSES, WHICH IS FINE.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE THE SPOUSE TO BE HERE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THEM.
AT ANYTIME WE WOULD HIRE, UH, AN EXECUTIVE.
WE ALWAYS WERE INTERVIEWING THE SPOUSE AS WELL.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO GET THE ANSWER FROM.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE CANDIDATE, IT'S THE SPOUSE
SO, SO I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO INCLUDE THE SPOUSES OF THE FINALISTS.
UH, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NOTHING EXTRAVAGANT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS LIKE THE CANDIDATES WILL BE OKAY, BUT PROVIDING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PAIRED WITH A CITY EMPLOYEE, TO BE GIVEN A CITY TOUR.
UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A, SOME SORT OF SOCIAL MEET AND GREET THAT INCLUDES, UM, THE FINALISTS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU INCLUDE THE SPOUSES IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO LEARN ABOUT THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD? OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE RECEIVED OUR SURVEY RESPONSES FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND US, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO LEARN ABOUT US AND OUR CULTURE, AND THEN WHAT IS STILL LEFT FOR YOU TO DO, TO LEARN ABOUT IT SO THAT YOU CAN THEN BRING THAT POOL TO US, UM, THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBLE GOOD FIT? WELL, NOW I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING INTERVIEWED
UM, WELL, I KNOW YOU GUYS HOLD THE, UM, YOUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEARTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU ELECTED OFFICIALS ALONG WITH STAFF AS WELL, UM, IN YOUR SURVEY RESPONSES PROVIDED LINKS TO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT I HAVE BEEN REVIEWING, AND KIRK ALSO PROVIDED SOME OF THIS INFORMATION TOO LONG BEFORE I STARTED GETTING THOSE SURVEY RESPONSES.
SO I HAVE BEEN REVIEWING AND READING YOUR BUDGET COVER TO COVER.
IT'S GOOD, ISN'T IT? OUTSTANDING BUDGET.
UM, SO, AND, AND THAT IS A DOCUMENT THAT NOT ONLY IS IT BENE EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL FOR ME BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES KIND OF LAY A GROUNDWORK OUT, KINDA LIKE A A 20 YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OKAY? AND, AND I KNOW, UM, PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES AND CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THAT SAME DOCUMENT.
SO IF IT PAINTS THAT ROADMAP FOR ME, I KNOW IT'S GONNA DO IT FOR THEM AS WELL.
SO THAT DOCUMENT, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE CULTURE AND BEYOND THE, BEYOND THAT? WELL, THE CULTURE IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SUBJECTIVE AS WELL.
AND, AND COMING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT DESIRABILITY, WHICH I THINK DOES STEM FROM A VERY GOOD AND POSITIVE CULTURE, I THINK IS GONNA BE VERY AND HIGHLY DESIRABLE FROM PERSPECTIVE CANDIDATES.
KIND OF BACK TO THE SALARY THING WE TALKED ABOUT, ARE WE CONSTRAINED OR ARE WE HELD TO, WHAT IS THE CURRENT MIN MINIMUM MIDPOINT? AND, AND UNDER OUR PAY PLAN, THERE IS NO MINIMUM MIDPOINT, MAXIMUM FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
IT'S DETERMINED BY THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YES.
MR. ANCILLARY, BUT TOTALLY VITAL TO
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THE, TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF IT THAT THE SALARY RANGE WILL BE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT OR NOT.AND SO TO ME, THAT THOSE WILL NEED TO ALMOST BE DECIDED TOGETHER AND THAT WILL HAVE A GREAT EFFECT, ESPECIALLY THE WAY MY UNDERSTANDING OF STATE LAW THAT DOESN'T ALLOW A STIPEND OR A HOUSING STIPEND OR WHATEVER LIKE YOU WOULD GET IN THE MILITARY IF YOU WERE A COLONEL.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S, WHETHER THAT'S TODAY WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK THAT'S PART
WELL, I, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
NOW, WHETHER YOU HAVE TODAY OR NOT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
UM, I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AMONGST YOURSELVES COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP.
UM, AT SOME POINT I WILL NEED TO KNOW THAT, BECAUSE I WILL BE ASKED FROM PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES AND CANDIDATES, IS THERE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT? AND IT, THIS IS NO WAY REFLECTIVE OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, AND I WON'T EVEN PRETEND THAT IT IS, BUT I DID ASK 15 DIFFERENT PEOPLE HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT TO A MAN AND WOMAN.
ALL 15 FELT THAT THE CITY MANAGER, AND THIS IS ME, I FELT THIS WAY ALL ALONG AND I DIDN'T, I DID NOT TRY TO INFLUENCE 'EM.
I JUST ASKED, FELT THAT IT SHOULD BE A RESIDENT.
SO THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT, AND I REALIZE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE PREVAILING ONE, BUT 15 OUT OF 40 SOME THOUSAND EXPRESSED AN OPINION, BUT I FOUND IT REMARKABLE THAT NOT ONCE, THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER TO THEM.
WELL, BRETT, WITH THAT, HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCE WITH RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS AND IS THERE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THAT? OR HAVE YOU FOUND THAT IT'S A PRETTY COMMON REQUIREMENT THAT THE CANDIDATES EXPECT? I THINK IT'S A COMMON REQUIREMENT THAT CANDIDATES EXPECT.
I HAVE NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE WHERE I WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY, CITY LIMITS.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT WITH A, WITH ONE CAVEAT.
OKAY? AND THAT IS IN REGARDS TO DOLLARS, IF YOU, I'M COMING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION KIND OF IN A WAY.
MM-HMM,
NO, I, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T FORWARD THAT.
OH, YOU DID NOT? I THOUGHT YOU DID.
NO, I FORWARDED TO YOUR PROFILE.
BUT I DIDN'T FORWARD WHAT YOU, 'CAUSE I KIND OF CHOKED MYSELF.
SO YOU
I, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, SORRY.
UH, WE'RE ANXIOUS NOW,
NORMALLY, ESPECIALLY A RETIRING CITY MANAGER, OKAY? AS THIS CASE IS, YOU'RE NORMALLY GONNA SEE THE NEXT INCOMING MANAGER BE APPROXIMATELY STARTING OUT 25,000 GREATER THAN WHERE THE RETIRING MANAGER IS LEAVING AT.
AND THE RANGE THAT I PUT IN AN EMAIL TO KIRK WAS 2 25 TO 2 75.
OKAY? WITH A CAVEAT, IF YOU GUYS DO CHOOSE TO HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT AND UNDERSTANDING THE COST OF HOUSING HERE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER GOING NORTH OF 2 75, CLOSER TO 300,000.
SO YOU GUYS CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW, AND I'M MOST CERTAINLY NOT ADVOCATING THAT YOU CHANGE THAT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO DISCUSS AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, AS A GOVERNING BODY, AS, AS A, AS A GOVERNING UNIT.
OKAY? I WANNA COME BACK TO, TO YOUR QUESTION IN REGARDS TO CULTURE.
THE BIGGEST THING THAT I LEARNED ABOUT THE CULTURE HERE IN BRENTWOOD, AND IT'S, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO YOU GUYS' ORGANIZATION ALMOST EVERY, EVERY SURVEY RESPONSE TALKED ABOUT FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, FAMILY AS AN ORGANIZATION, FAMILY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY'S FAMILY.
THAT WAS THE ONE, THE ONE THING THAT I TOOK AWAY IN THAT REGARDS.
ON THE RESIDENCY, IF WE DID REQUIRE THAT, UH, CAN IT BE REQUIRED? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY HIT THE JOB, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TURN AROUND THE NEXT DAY AND SELL THEIR RESIDENCY IF THEY HAVE ONE WHEREVER THEY'RE FROM AND PURCHASE ONE HERE IN A WEEK.
BUT CAN YOU REQUIRE A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME FOR THAT TO BE ACCOMPLISHED? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
YOU KNOW, NORMALLY YOU'LL SEE GOVERNING BODIES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THAT GRACE PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, SIX TO 12 MONTHS, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY'S ASKED QUESTIONS.
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DON'T BUMP THE SALARY THAT HIGH, DOING SOMETHING FOR LIKE A, A, A SIGNING BONUS, ONE TIME BONUS TO HELP THEM GET INTO THE RESIDENCE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO AN OVERALL HIGHER SALARY? I'VE SEEN THAT, AND, AND YOU COULD DO THAT NOW.UH, COMMISSIONER LITTLE TALKS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, STATE LAWS, YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO VIOLATION OF ANY STATE STATUTES IF YOU WANTED TO PURSUE THAT PATH.
UM, I'LL SHARE THIS WITH YOU TOO.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COMMUNITY, THAT, THAT WAS A, THAT'S A SUBURB OF NORTH DALLAS THAT'S VERY, VERY, UM, COMPARABLE TO YOU GUYS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HOUSING COSTS.
UM, THE CITY SIZE, ORGANIZATIONAL SIZE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THIS VERY SAME DISCUSSION.
NOW THEY DID HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, UM, AND IT WAS IN THEIR CHARTER ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, LONG BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, CITY'S HISTORY.
BUT, UM, BUT VERY, VERY COMPARABLE IN SIZE, BOTH COMMUNITY POPULATION, ORGANIZATIONAL SIZE, NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, YOU NAME IT, HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND IT WAS STICKER SHOCK FOR THEM AS WELL.
UM, I TOLD THEM, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT 2 25 TO 2 75 IS A GOOD RANGE.
UM, WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF THE FINISH LINE, IF THERE IS A CANDIDATE THAT EXCEEDS ALL OF YOUR GUYS' EXPECTATIONS, THAT EXCEEDS ALL OF YOUR GUYS' REQUIREMENTS, THAT FITS WITH YOU GUYS AND THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, FIT WITH THEM, UM, THE SPOUSE HAS GIVEN THE BLESSING.
UH, YOU NAME IT, YOU KNOW, AS I TOLD THEM, I'LL TELL YOU THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, BE OPEN TO THAT.
DON'T, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST OR ADVOCATE THAT YOU JUST CLOSE, CLOSE UP.
UM, THEY ULTIMATELY DID PICK SOMEBODY AND, AND THE, THE CITY MANAGER THAT THEY, UM, SELECTED WAS REPLACING A LONG TIME OUTSTANDING CITY MANAGER THAT WAS RETIRING AND THEY HAD TO GO NORTH AT TWO 50 TO GET THEIR, TO GET THEIR PERSON.
AND THE COMMUNITY HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE MAYOR I CONTACTED AND I FORWARDED YOU HIS MM-HMM.
I REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR THERE.
I ACTUALLY KNOW THE PERSON YOU HIRED THERE TOO.
WELL, IS THE ANCILLARY STUFF, THE BENEFITS, THE CAR, IS THAT JUST KIND OF STANDARD AMONG YES, IT IS.
NOW WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU PUT TO THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CLAUSES WITHIN AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL NEGOTIABLE, BUT YEAH.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, FOR A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE PER SE, OR A VEHICLE STIPEND, WHATEVER WORDING YOU WANT TO USE.
I'VE HAD ANYWHERE FROM 5,000 TO 10,000 ANNUAL.
AND, AND IN MY CASE TODAY, I, YOU PROVIDE ME A CARD, WE JUST PROVIDE THE CARD AND YOU COULD, THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE WAY ABSOLUTE THINK THAT'S WAY MATTER FOR AN EMPLOYEE, UH, TO HAVE A PROVIDED CARD VERSUS AN ALLOWANCE.
AT LEAST AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE WRITING OUT ON A CHECK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, NOW, DEPENDING ON SOMEONE LIKE KIRK'S FINANCIAL ACUMEN TO HELP WITH THIS, YOU FIND THIS, I MEAN, I REALIZE WE, WE WANT SUPERMAN, WHAT WE'VE DESCRIBED TO YOU.
I MEAN, A WOMAN, SUPER PERSON, SUPER PERSON.
AND IF WE DECIDE WE WANT THAT PERSON TO LIVE HERE, UH, UH, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO LIKE, SAY IN LIEU OF A HUGE SALARY HELP WITH A DOWN PAYMENT A ONE TIME? IS THAT I THINK YOU CAN DO A RELOCATION PACKAGE.
YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU WORK STUFF LIKE THAT IN TO YEAH, I, YOU CAN DO A RELOCATION PACKAGE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN IN ANY WAY SIGN OR SOME CITIES MAYBE HAVE HELPED CO-SIGN ON A LOAN OR, OR OH, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT ACTUALLY.
I MEANT PUT IT IN A PACKAGE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU MITIGATE THAT FIRST DAMAGE TO THE PERSON THAT THE HURDLE THAT IS SOMETIME IS, IS BEING ABLE TO FIND.
YEAH, I THINK DEPENDING ON HOW BIG YOU GO WITH THAT, WE WOULD WANT TO KIND OF RUN THAT BY THE COMP CONTROLLER.
'CAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE WITHIN, I THINK SOME, RIGHT.
I THINK IN, NOW WE APPROACH THESE NUMBERS, A GOVERNMENT COULDN'T DIRECTLY PAY A CITY GOVERNMENT PROBABLY COULDN'T DIRECTLY PAY NO.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE WHAT AMOUNT OF THAT THEY WANTED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY COULD FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT YOU KNOW, SIGNING BONUS WAS MENTIONED.
YOU COULD ALSO DO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF,
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UM, A RELOCATION, A MOVING EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, NOT TO EXCEED WHATEVER DOLLAR AMOUNT.UM, I'VE ALSO SEEN IT WHERE GOVERNING BODIES, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT NOT TO EXCEED DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT INCOMING MANAGER HAS TO PROVIDE RECEIPTS.
SO THERE'S SOME, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY THERE AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
UH, BUT, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO, TO YOU IS WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT? UM, COULD WE AGREE THAT AN AVERAGE HOUSE IN BRENTWOOD NOW IS SELLING FOR 1.3 TO $1.5 MILLION? THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE FOUND IN MY RESEARCH.
SO A A, A DEPOSIT OR A, UM, PUTTING DOWN 20% OF THAT AND THEN GETTING A LOAN AT FIVE TO 7% IS QUITE THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FOR ANY FAMILY.
UM, SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS CAN MEAN FOR SOMEONE SHORT TERM OR LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLAN.
AND IF IT'S SOMEONE WHO IS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVES, THAT AS WE WOULD HOPE, UM, THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THEY'RE WILLING TO STRETCH THEIR FAMILY BUDGET ON, UH, BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THEY ADD UP TO BE BIG NUMBERS PRETTY QUICKLY.
ON A, ON A, UM, MONTHLY BASIS, ANNUAL BASIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MINIMAL REQUIREMENT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
'CAUSE YOU STILL GET A FLAVOR AND THERE'S STILL, IF YOU GO OUT SLIGHTLY, JAY, SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE, YOU STILL GET A PRETTY GOOD FLAVOR OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE OF ALL OF WILLIAMSON.
I DO THINK IT'S INTERESTING AND I'VE LEARNED THERE CAN BE SOME KIND OF SIGNING BONUS DOLLAR AMOUNT.
I, I, I HAVE TO BE HONEST AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT OKAY.
UH, BUT I DO KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.
TO ME, NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD CALL IT A SIGNING.
IT'S, IT IS A RELOCATION OR A MOVING EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT OR SOME, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
YOU GOTTA PAY FOR 'EM TO MOVE, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THE TRUCK, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT THEN IF THERE'S, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT, I DON'T MIND DOING THAT.
BUT I DO SET THE MINIMUM, UH, STANDARD OF BEING IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
AND THEN IF THIS SIGNING BONUS COULD HELP GET 'EM INTO BRENTWOOD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I JUST COULDN'T IMAGINE OUR CITY MANAGER LIVING IN FRANKLIN AND I LOVE FRANKLIN, BUT IT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING RECOILS IN ME AT THAT IDEA.
BUT ALSO TOO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GOING TO AVERAGE COST 1.2 MILLION IN BRENTWOOD, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM SOME SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THIS ISN'T THEIR FIRST TIME HOUSE.
SO THEY MAY BE SELLING SOMETHING FOR EIGHT OR 900,000 MAYBE.
SO THE DELTA THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP IS NOT 1.2, BUT IT MIGHT BE THREE OR 400,000.
AND THAT WOULD HELP TOWARD THAT.
DOES THAT KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE I'M YEAH.
CALIFORNIA AND MAKING SOME MONEY.
THE, JUST, THIS WAS MY LOGIC ON IT AND FROM A FEW PEOPLE I'VE TALKED WITH ABOUT IT.
UM, THE CITY MANAGER'S, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CITY, AND MANY DON'T EVER HAVE A POSITION WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE THE BUCK STOPS AND HE IS WHERE THE BUCK STOPS.
AND WHOEVER'S OUR FUTURE, HE OR SHE CITY MANAGER WILL BE WHERE THE BUCK STOPS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRIDE AND JOY IN THAT 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A GREAT CAPTAINCY OF THE DIRECTION OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT IT'S SOMETIMES REALLY HARD.
AND THERE'S DECISIONS EVEN WE AS COMMISSIONERS MAKE, THEY'RE NOT POPULAR DECISIONS.
UM, I THINK IT HELPS A CITY MANAGER TO BE A RESIDENT OF A CITY.
'CAUSE WHETHER IT WAS A TRAFFIC ISSUE OR WATER SEWER ISSUE, A POLICING MATTER, FIRE AND RESCUE MATTER, LIBRARY MATTER, JUST GO ALL THROUGH IT.
THEY SAY, WELL, I FACE THE SAME ISSUES YOU, YOU DO EVERY DAY.
AND I THINK THAT IS VITAL FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO FUNCTION WELL IN A POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, THEY ARE RUNNING A ORGANIZATION THAT IS MULTIPLY COMPLEX AND WITH VERY LARGE BUDGETS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS A POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE TO BE IN THAT POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT, BOTH IN THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH WE AS COMMISSIONERS WITH CITIZENS, BUT ALSO WITH COUNTY AUTHORITIES,
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STATE AUTHORITIES, FEDERAL AUTHORITIES, ALL THE MANY DIFFERENT BUREAUCRACIES AND LAYERS.AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE BRENTWOOD IS THE COMMUNITY.
WHETHER THEY OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS, THEY OWN THEIR OWN PRACTICE, OR THEY'RE IN A CORPORATION.
AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORKING FOR SOMEBODY, WHICH I'VE DONE, AND WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE THE BUCK STOPS.
UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE JUST IN THE FACT THAT A LOT OF TIMES IT NEVER LEAVES YOUR SHOULDERS THE PROXIMITY.
LIKE MYSELF, I TRY TO BE AS CLOSE TO MY BUSINESS AS I CAN BECAUSE I NEVER KNOW WHEN IT MAY BE 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND I'M RUNNING TO IT.
SO IT'S, UM, I JUST, I, THERE'S SO MANY LEVELS.
I DO NOT THINK IT SHOULD EVER BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR, OR EVEN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT THEY LIVE IN PROXIMITY.
BUT I THINK FOR THAT APPOSITION, UM, BECAUSE IT IS THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID OF THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION FROM A FUNCTIONAL EVERYDAY PRACTICAL SENSE, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY VITAL FOR THEM TO BE RESIDENTS AND FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO PROBABLY ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM, HAD THAT SAME SENSE.
AND MORE SO BECAUSE IT IS A POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT AND THEY WILL BE MAKING DECISIONS THAT AFFECT RESIDENTS.
SO, WELL, I CANNOT ARGUE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PUBLIC DOLLARS, PUBLIC FUNDS, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THE CITY MANAGER MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE RESIDENT'S, YOU KNOW, WALLET POCKETBOOK.
IT, IT IS NICE TO HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
'CAUSE THAT INDIVIDUAL CAN SAY EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, WELL, I HAVE TO ENDURE THE SAME, THE SAME FINANCIAL BURDEN.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND YOUR GUYS' COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF DOLLARS AND WHAT THAT TAKES TO GET SOMEBODY HERE.
I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE A DETERRING FACTOR THOUGH, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE LIVING, LET'S SAY WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM, THEY'RE LIVING IN A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, THAT COSTS CONSIDERABLY LESS.
AND TO BRING, YOU KNOW, AN ENTIRE FAMILY, AND IF THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE HERE, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHANGE IN THEIR LIFESTYLE.
I, I'M MORE, I I, I SEE IT AS MORE GIVING THEM FLEXIBILITY TO LIVE ELSE ELSEWHERE IF THEY CHOOSE TO, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT WANT A LITTLE BIT OF SEPARATION FROM THEIR PERSONAL LIFE AND THEIR WORK LIFE TO KIND OF HAVE A BREAK FROM IT AND NOT ALWAYS HAVE IT ON TOP OF THEM.
OR IF THEY'VE GOT KIDS AND THEY WANNA LIVE A LITTLE CLOSER TO A CERTAIN TYPE OF SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GRADE SCHOOLS.
BUT IF THEY ARE NOT A GO PUBLIC SCHOOL KIND OF THING AND THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE, THEY MAY, THAT FAMILY MAY WANT SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I DON'T WANT THE REQUIREMENT TO LIMIT WHO WE GET, WHETHER IT'S FINANCIALLY SIZE OF THE HOUSE, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND SEPARATING, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL LIFE FROM, FROM WORK LIFE.
I MEAN, THEY MAY HAVE A KID THAT DOESN'T WANNA BE KNOWN AS THE KID WHO'S THE CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, AT SCHOOL, THE CITY MANAGER'S KID.
SO I'M, I'M CERTAINLY FINE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE ARE PARTS OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO LIVE IN A CONTIGUOUS COUNTY, THERE ARE PARTS OF DAVIDSON COUNTY OR WHATEVER THAT THEY CAN GET TO BRENTWOOD FASTER THAN THEY CAN.
I MEAN, I DRIVE THROUGH DAVIDSON COUNTY TO GET TO MY HOUSE AND, AND BACK HERE, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE EDGE, THE, THE EDGE.
AND THEY'RE MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES, UM, THAT THEY MIGHT PREFER TO BE IN.
SO I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF GIVING SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THAT PERSON.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE IN BRENTWOOD, FINE.
BUT I DON'T WANNA LIMIT THEM BECAUSE WE REQUIRE IT.
AND, AND, AND I CAN'T ARGUE THAT EITHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO, TO THIS CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COMPROMISE IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WILL WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
BUT I ALSO AGREED WITH YOUR COMMENT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARTS OF, YOU KNOW, BREEDING COUNTIES THAT YOU GET TO BRENTWOOD FASTER.
UM, SO, WELL, I, I'M REALLY HAVING TO STRUGGLE WITH THIS.
I MEAN, I WANT A CITY MANAGER WHOSE FAMILY CAN ADOPT, ADAPT TO LIVING IN BRENTWOOD.
NOT ONE THAT SAYS, OH, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE HAPPY IN THAT CITY, SO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OR I WANT TO LIVE, I DON'T WANNA LIVE THERE.
BUT MAYBE DAVIDSON COUNTY WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR ME DRIVING WISE.
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THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT IN A CITY MANAGER.WE TALK ABOUT BEING EXCELLENT, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
I MEAN, ARE WE PURSUING EXCELLENCE OR NOT MAKE A DECISION? WE SPEND PLENTY OF MONEY ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION WE'LL EVER MAKE FOR MOST OF US SITTING HERE.
KIRK IS THE ONLY CITY MANAGER THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH HIRING.
WE WERE LUCKY THAT WE SAW HIM FOR YEARS BEFORE HE WAS HIRED.
BEFORE I CAME ON AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME COMING ON.
BRENTWOOD HAD 11 CITY MANAGERS, 11, ONE RIGHT AFTER THE OTHER, WHEN IF YOU WANT EXCELLENCE, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY FOR IT.
WE DO NOT TELL OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SECOND CLASS BUILDING OVER THERE OR THAT WE WANT SECOND CLASS OFFICERS OR THAT, WELL, YOU'VE GOT THOSE OLDER GUNS.
NONE OF THEM HAVE EXPLODED YET WHILE YOU'RE SHOOTING THEM.
LET'S WAIT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
I DON'T, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I I JUST THINK THE FACT THAT WE'D EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS JUST IS STUNNING TO ME.
BUT FOR A CITY THAT CLAIMS THEY, THAT EXCELLENCE IS ONE OF THEIR STANDARDS, WHAT I, I I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS STEMMING FROM THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT HAVE THAT AS A CURRENT REQUIREMENT.
AND I SUGGESTED IT TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT IT BECOME A CURRENT REQ REQUIREMENT FOR SEEING THAT WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE STEPPING ASIDE IN THE CITY.
I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I FEEL A LOT OF THOSE SIMILAR THOUGHTS.
UM, WHEN WE MOVED TO BRENTWOOD 15 YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT WE COULD AFFORD, BUT IT WAS AT THE TOP OF OUR, OUR LIMIT.
AND NOW THAT HOUSE IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT'S VALUED HAS GONE UP.
AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO'S COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTRY, AND LET'S SAY THEY, THEY ARE IN A $700,000 HOUSE, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE $300,000 OF EQUITY IN THAT HOUSE.
SO WHEN THEY SELL THAT HOUSE, THEY HAVE TO PAY OFF THE LOAN AND THEY BRING THAT EQUITY WITH THEM, THEN THEY BUY A $1.3 MILLION HOUSE.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, LOTS ARE BEING BOUGHT FOR 1.3 AND THE HOUSE IS BEING SCRAPED.
SO LET'S SAY THEY BUY A HOUSE FOR 1.3, WELL, THEY TAKE THAT EQUITY, IT BRINGS THEIR LOAN BALANCE DOWN TO $1 MILLION, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER SITUATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE PRIVATE MORTGAGE INSURANCE.
THE VARIABLE THERE CAN BE A VARIABLE RATE ON PART OF THAT, AND THEN A SOLID RATE ON THE OTHER END.
SO THAT PAYMENT IS ALMOST INSURMOUNTABLE, EVEN IF WE WERE TO PAY OUR CITY MANAGER $450,000.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD, MIGHT LIMIT OUR POOL OF PEOPLE THAT COULD EVEN APPLY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND IF, AND I WOULD HATE TO NOT GET A, A VERY PERFECT FIT OR A HIGHLY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY A MILLION DOLLAR MORTGAGE EVERY YEAR.
SO IF WE CAN OPEN OURSELVES UP TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN IF THEY CAN CHOOSE, OR IF THEY COME IN WITH MORE ASSETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN BRENTWOOD, THEN THAT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT IF THEY CAN'T, BELLEVUE HAS SOME REALLY GREAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S CLOSE BY.
IF THEY CHOSE TO LIVE IN THE ANTIOCH SIDE OF, OF DAVIDSON COUNTY, I WOULDN'T WANT A RESIDENT OR ANYONE, UM, WHO'S CITY MANAGER TO LIVE NORTH OF THE RIVER OF THE CUMBERLAND RIVER, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, UM, PROVIDE ISSUES OF GETTING HERE WITH TRAFFIC AND IF THERE WAS MAJOR ISSUES.
UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS VERY EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN LOTS OF AREAS TOO.
SO, UM, THE IDEA OF A CONTIGUOUS COUNTY MAKES SENSE TO ME.
UM, I WOULD LOVE IT IF THEY WOULD LIVE IN BRENTWOOD.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST CHOICE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANNA LIMIT WHO WE GET BASED ON A POTENTIAL MILLION DOLLAR A MONTH OR YEAR MORTGAGE OR A, HAVE TO PAY THE PAYMENT ON THAT.
UM, THAT'S JUST A, A REALLY BIG CHUNK OF, OF MONEY TO HAVE TO MANAGE AND MAKE A, A COMMENT, I GUESS ON MAYBE THE BROADER DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN HIRING PEOPLE AT A HIGH LEVEL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, MY, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND GOOD PERSONNEL IS MONEY WELL SPENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE HERE AT BRENTWOOD AS WELL.
WE TALK QUITE A BIT ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR RATIO OF, I, I BELIEVE KIRK IS A STAFF PER CITIZEN IN TERMS OF HOW BIG OUR STAFF IS IN THE CITY VERSUS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA.
THE, THE, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN THAT TRYING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD HIRING PROCESS AND RETENTION PROCESS ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE EXCELLENT SERVICES WITH A,
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A, A BETTER RATIO OF EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA.SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR QUALITY.
AND I THINK WITH OUR, OUR RAISES AND OTHER INVESTMENTS IN PERSONNEL THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, I, I THINK WE'VE AS A COMMISSION TRIED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT COMMITMENT TO OUR TEAM AND STABILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SOME EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL COMPENSATION IS FUNGIBLE.
I MEAN, THIS IS MONEY THAT CAN BE USED ON DIFFERENT STUFF.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE WAY YOU DESCRIBE THE PROCESS OF MARKETING THE POSITION, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE SALARY RANGE JUST TO GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS IS THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GATHER THE POOL.
UM, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME STRONG OPINIONS ON RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND IT'S FUNNY, I, I SIT HERE AND AS EACH OF YOU SPEAK, I CAN SEE YOUR POINT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SOLVED THAT RIGHT NOW THIS MORNING.
'CAUSE I MEAN, LIKE ANNE SAID, I I TOTALLY SEE THE THING ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, MY, MY ONLY ACTUAL FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE DOWNSIDE OF RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WAS, UM, UH, THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAD THAT LIVED IN THE DETROIT AREA IN DETROIT IMPLEMENTED A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR THE POLICE FORCE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND CREATED AT LEAST RESIDENTS UP THERE, ATTRIBUTE THAT TO SOME PROBLEMS IN POLICING BECAUSE IT REALLY REDUCED THEIR POOL OF POTENTIAL OFFICERS IN A WAY THAT MADE IT A LOT HARDER TO HIRE AND, AND, AND STAFF IT.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS UP IN THAT AREA AND SOME FAMILY MEMBERS OF MINE THAT ATTRIBUTE TO SOME CRIME CHALLENGES THEY'VE HAD TO THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S LEGIT, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T LIVED THROUGH THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, YOU KNOW, BY REQUIRING LOOK, AS I CAN SEE THE POINT ALL MAKING IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CANDIDATE.
BUT LIKE TO COMMISSIONER SPEAR'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO LIVE IN SOUTHERN KENTUCKY.
BUT IF THE COMPENSATION PACKAGE IS DONE PROPERLY, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO LIVE CLOSE TO BROOKLYN BECAUSE THIS IS A, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, AND IDEALLY RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITIES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT HOUSE THAT IS SO VALUABLE BECAUSE IT'S IN BRENTWOOD.
AND EVEN WITH ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, OUR PRICES HAVE NOT GONE DOWN, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ECONOMIC CRISIS OF 2009, 2010, 2011.
BUT PRICES DID PLUM EVERYWHERE SINCE THEN.
AS PRICES OF EBB AND FLOW, BRENTWOOD SEEMS TO HAVE HELD STEADY.
THEY WILL HAVE THAT HOUSE AND THE EQUITY IN IT.
SO MANY PEOPLE MAY LOOK AT THAT AS A BONUS.
I THINK MOST OF US HAVE STRETCHED TO GET THAT NEXT HOUSE AND LOOKED AT IT AS THIS IS A SOUND INVESTMENT BECAUSE I GET TO LIVE SOMEWHERE IT APPRECIATES.
AND AT WHEN I GET TO THE END, I CAN SELL IT FOR A LOT MORE THAN I BUY IT FOR IF I'M WISE ABOUT WHERE I CHOOSE.
SO I, I THINK THE, THE HOUSING DISCUSSION BY THE FACT THAT HOUSES ARE EXPENSIVE MAY ACTUALLY BE A POSITIVE, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO SPEND, AND AS I ALWAYS SAY, THERE'S AN OLD SAYING IN BRENTWOOD WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND GROWING UP, IT'S BAD TO PAY TOO MUCH.
AND SO IF WE WANT EXCELLENCE IN OUR CITY MANAGER, WE MAY HAVE TO OFFER MORE SALARY THAN WE WOULD'VE EVEN THOUGHT IMAGINABLE THREE YEARS AGO.
WE MAY NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE BOARD.
YOU MENTIONED, AND I HIRED, FIRED OUT FOR YEARS.
FORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT VERY OFTEN, BUT YOU PUT A RANGE UP THERE TO, TO, TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.
YOU, YOU SET IT THERE AND THEY GO, OH, WELL I'M MAKING THIS RIGHT NOW.
MM-HMM
BUT ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO YOUR POOL AND ESPECIALLY YOUR FINAL SELECTION, THEN, THEN THE TRUE NEGOTIATION START.
AND AT THAT POINT YOU CAN SAY, WELL, I'M THROWING THESE NUMBERS OUT THERE.
WE'RE GONNA OFFER A $50,000 SIGN IN BONUS AND ASSUME YOU LEGALLY CAN TELL 'EM IN NEGOTIATIONS.
THIS IS TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR EQUITY AND YOUR PRESIDENT ABODE SO THAT YOU CAN DO THIS.
I JUST, I REALLY, REALLY FEEL LIKE IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE OF BEING UP HERE OVER 15 YEARS, BUT HAVING WATCHED IT FOR YEARS AND REMEMBERING THAT UNLESS YOU KEPT A, A LITTLE SCORECARD IN YOUR POCKET LIKE A BASEBALL MANAGER, YOU COULDN'T HAVE KEPT UP WITH THE CITY MANAGERS IN PROBABLY THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS OF ITS EXISTENCE.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK SOME OF 'EM CHANGED EVERY FOUR OR SIX MONTHS.
AND, UM, AND IT REFLECTED WITH SOME ISSUES THAT WENT ON WITH THE CITY.
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WE'VE BEEN VERY STABLE.BOTH OF THOSE CITY MANAGERS HAVE LIVED IN BRENTWOOD.
AND BEFORE I WAS EVEN A COMMISSIONER, UH, MIKE WALKER, THERE WERE TIMES AS DIFFERENT THINGS WERE BEING DONE OR WHATEVER, I WAS THINKING IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD THING FOR HIM.
HE LIVES IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
I'D HATE TO GO OUT AND GET THIS WONDERFUL THOROUGHBRED.
AND ONE THING WE NEGLECT TO DO IS ON THE FRONT END, GO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE A RESIDENT HERE.
AND SO YOU EQUIVALENTLY HAMSTRING THEIR BACK LEGS.
WELL, THOROUGHBRED'S NO GOOD IF THEY CAN'T RUN.
AND SO I JUST REALLY, AT MY CORE, UH, COMMISSIONER DONN IS DEFINITELY THE MOST EXPERIENCED COMMISSIONER, BUT I'M DEFINITELY THE SECOND MOST EXPERIENCED COMMISSIONER.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IF IT COSTS US A LITTLE MORE MONEY ON THE FRONT END OR COSTS US MORE MONEY AND SALARY.
I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, IT GIVES THAT PERSON A BETTER CHANCE TO SUCCEED.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO INTO A NEW JOB, YOU DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS IT'S GONNA REQUIRE TO SUCCEED.
SO IF YOUR EMPLOYER MAKES IT TO WHERE YOU CAN BEST SUCCEED, ALL PARTIES WIN.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I DO THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ANY OTHER POSITION IN THE CITY OF ALMOST 300 EMPLOYEES, BUT I THINK IT IS, IS ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY VITAL FOR THIS POSITION BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY WE HAVE.
UM, UH, I FELT THAT SINCE THE DAY MR. BEDNAR SAID HE WAS GONNA RETIRE AND, AND HE'S OF COURSE A BRENTWOOD RESIDENT, AND, AND I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'VE BEEN TIMES WHERE THERE'S BEEN, IT CAN EVEN BE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DICTATED BY STATE LAW THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT.
I'M SURE IN DIFFERENT STATES, OUR WATER AND SEWER HAS TO, IT CAN'T OPERATE IN A DEFICIT.
IF IT DOES, THE STATE WILL COME AND TAKE OVER IT.
SO LIKE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S A 2.5% INCREASE ON, ON OUR WATER AND SEWER FEES.
IT'S MANDATED, IT'S STILL NOT ALWAYS POPULAR WITH THE RESIDENTS.
AND EVEN WHEN YOU EXPLAIN THAT WE CAN'T OPERATE IN A DEFICIT, WELL, I'M SURE IT'S NOT ALWAYS POPULAR FOR THE CITY MANAGERS IF HE'S AT THE GROCERY STORE OR CHURCH OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY'S KIND OF PEEVED BY IT.
I I'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE PAYING THAT ON MY, MY MY WATER BILL TOO.
SO, SO, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WILL COLLECTIVELY DECIDE THIS.
IT'S NOT MY DECISION, BUT I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I DO NOT THINK IT WILL PREVENT US FROM GETTING A GOOD CANDIDATE.
AND IT ACTUALLY MAY BE AN ATTRACTION TO A REALLY GOOD DRIVEN, SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE TO WANT TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE BRENTWOOD.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAID TOO, THE SALARY PART'S IMPORTANT AND TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO BEGIN WITH THE RESIDENCY AND THE RELOCATION PACKAGE IS A NEGOTIATIONS.
I FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR YOU TO NEGOTIATE WITH.
I THINK IF YOU SAY COMPETITIVELY, YOU RECOMMENDED THE SALARY 2 25 TO 2 75, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF WE HAVE TO GO MORE UP ABOVE, UP, UP TO, TOWARD THAT 2 75, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
AND I DO THINK AT THIS TIME I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING THERE IS A RELOCATION PACKAGE THAT IS AVAILABLE BASED ON WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF NASHVILLE AND IN, OR CITY OF BRENTWOOD.
I THINK, WITHOUT PUTTING SOMETHING FIRM RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, THESE PEOPLE MAY COME FROM A VERY AFFLUENT PLACE AND THEY NOT NEED THAT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND THAT'S A RELOCATION PACKAGE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY MAKE OUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS NOW ON THIS MATTER.
UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN FIND, UH, THE CANDIDATE THAT WILL LIVE HERE, UH, THAT WILL BE PREFERRED, UH, IF WE, UH, CAN'T, UH, IT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION AND GET THEM TO LIVE CLOSE, I WOULD HATE TO PASS ON THE RIGHT CANDIDATE.
SO, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY KIND OF MAKE THEIR THOUGHTS KNOWN ON IT.
WELL, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT ON IT AND IT WILL BE BRIEF.
WHAT WAS THE THING THAT YOU SAID WAS THAT YOU SAW AS THE MOST HIGHLIGHTED FEATURE IN THE CULTURE OF OUR CITY FAM? FAMILY.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY LIVE OUT OF THE HOUSE.
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THAT, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BOTH, BOTH VIEWPOINTS IF YOU WILL.AND I'M, I CAN WORK WITHIN EITHER ONE OF THEM.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AND, AND, UM, AND UM, AS FAR AS THE SALARY RANGE, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT TODAY.
UM, BUT THE NEXT STEP, UM, OR THE NEXT DOCUMENT FOR ME THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE REVIEWING IS THAT RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.
AND IF YOU GUYS DO WANT THAT SALARY RANGE TO BE IN THAT MARKETING MATERIAL, THAT IS WHEN I WOULD NEED TO KNOW A DEFINITIVE ON THAT SALARY RANGE.
SO JUST, JUST UH, PUT THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS AND, AND KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT IN IN YOUR MIND SAYS YES MA'AM.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AND ALL THAT, BUT UM, I KNOW THIS YEAR WE GAVE KIRK A 4% RAISE.
AND SO IF WE STARTED AT A MEDIAN, UM, SALARY OF $250,000 A YEAR AND WE GAVE A FOUR POINT RAISE, A 4% RAISE EVERY YEAR YEAR, WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S VARIABLE EACH YEAR AND THREE YEARS, THAT SALARY WOULD BE $281,000.
SO I JUST WANT US TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND IN COMP, AND THEN IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND WHAT WE PAY THEM AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR LONG TERM BUDGET.
AND YET WE STILL NEED TO ACQUIRE TALENT AND ALL THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I SAY THAT OUT LOUD.
I KNOW THE RESIDENTS WILL BE INTERESTED IN CITIES, BUDGETS ARE GOING UP THE SAME WAY.
I JUST KNOW THAT RESIDENTS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT DATA AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE'VE AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT IT AND HEARD ABOUT IT SO THAT IF WE MAKE A DECISION TO DO X, Y, OR Z, WE'VE AT LEAST HAD A DISCUSSION AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND WE'VE SAID, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE IMPLICATIONS, BUT WE FIND THAT THIS IS VALUABLE, OR YES, WE UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE IMPLICATIONS AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE CHOSEN THIS.
SO JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANT US TO ALL THINK ABOUT.
WELL, THAT'S A GIVEN THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.
THAT'S THE WAY WE DO EVERY ITEM IN OUR BUDGET.
AND NOW WE'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR IT.
SO DO WE, DO WE WANNA DO THE SALARY THING TODAY OR ARE YOU SAYING NOT OR? I, I, I'M LONG AS WE'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE.
I'M TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE CON I THINK, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE BRETT GETS WHAT HE TAKE SOME TIME NEEDS TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO GET THIS PROCESS GOING.
SINCE WE JUST HEARD ABOUT IT THIS MORNING AND THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME, UM, BEFORE WE CAN CHIME BACK IN, REALIZE YOU WILL NOT GET TOGETHER AGAIN JUST TO TALK IN THIS FASHION UNTIL AUGUST.
WE COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH BRETT.
WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY, DIRECTLY OBJECT.
IF HE NEEDS TO DO, HE CAN PULL THIS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT.
CAN I DO THAT? THAT'D BE A WALKING QUORUM.
UH, I THINK ONE ON, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SHARE WHAT EACH OTHERS SAY.
BUT IF YOU GET DIRECT ONE-ON-ONE INPUT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, AN ISSUE.
I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION IN RE IN REGARDS TO YOUR GUYS' EMAIL ADDRESS.
WHEN YOU GUYS REPLY OR REPLY ALL, DOES EVERY OTHER COMMISSIONER GET THAT SAME RESPONSE? YEAH, IF WE DO REPLY ALL, BUT IF WE DO JUST REPLY.
SO THERE'S A GROUP EMAIL, CITY COMMISSIONERS AT WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN USE TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL.
BUT I THINK WHEN YOU ALL RESPOND, IT COMES AS MARK DO GORMAN.
THEY DON'T, THEY GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT TO REPLY ALL ONE POINT ABOUT SALARY AS CASE INCREASING TOO IS, AND MOST OF THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE EVER TALKED WITH, LIKE MR. WALKER WAS CITY MANAGER.
AND SINCE MR. BEARD'S THE CITY MANAGER THIS YEAR, OUR CITY MANAGER IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
SUPERVISES 300 EMPLOYEES, HANDLES AN OPERATING BUDGET OF $108 MILLION, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 41 SQUARE MILES POPULATION OF OVER 45,000 PEOPLE.
MOST PEOPLE I KNOW IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXECUTIVES OR THEY ARE DECISION MAKERS, OR THEY DO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS OR THEY DID THAT FOR YEARS AND THEY'RE NOW RETIRED, THINK WE GET A VERY GOOD BARGAIN.
AND SO IF THAT SAME PERSON WAS IN A CORPORATE SETTING, MY SENSE IS THEIR SALARY WOULD BE UP OR TRIPLE THAT FOR IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE IN A LEVEL THAT PORTION, DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS AND WHAT SIZE, BUT WITH STOCK OPTIONS.
SO, SO I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T WANT US TO, TO OVERSPEND.
I DON'T WANT US TO, TO DO PIE IN THE SKY BUT ALSO DON'T WANT US TO FALL SHORT.
UM, AS COMMISSIONER DUNN SAID, WHAT IS THE ABSOLUTE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION THAT ANYBODY HAS MADE ON THE COMMISSION IN PROBABLY TWO YEARS, UM, FOR THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY GOING INTO THE FUTURE FALL SHORT? WELL, IN REGARDS TO THE CANADA PROFILE AND GRADING MATRIX,
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OKAY.AND, AND THE CANDIDATE PROFILE, BRETT BECOMES A PART OF THE OVERALL BROCHURE, RIGHT? IT DOES, IT DOES.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY, BRETT? WELL, IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS TO EITHER OF THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS, IF YOU GIVE ME A GREEN LIGHT, I WILL START TONIGHT IN MY HOTEL ROOM DRAFTING THE RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.
AND KIRK HAS ALREADY PROVIDED ME A LONG LIST OF, UM, PROFESSIONAL PICTURES THAT ARE HIGH QUALITY.
SO I'VE GOT PLENTY OF PICTURES TO WORK WITH.
UM, AND I COULD I GET YOU A DRAFT? I THINK I COULD GET YOU A DRAFT BY NEXT FRIDAY OF THAT RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK? SOUND GOOD? YES, SIR.
YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE LINKS.
I KNOW, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY, DID YOU BUMP INTO THE, LIKE THE BRENTWOOD 2030 PLAN? LIKE YOU MENTIONED LONG-TERM PLANNING AND STUFF.
SO I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE RUN INTO THE, THE LONG-TERM 2030 PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK I PROVIDE.
AND ALSO I THINK ONE OF THE BEST HISTORIES I'VE SEEN IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION EARLIER, EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATION EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THE PREAMBLE TO THAT WAS A HISTORY OF THE CITY AND IT'S ONE OF THE BEST ONES I'VE SEEN.
IT'S THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S STANDARD TO COVER AND IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
IT'S A REALLY, IT SAYS CONCISE, BUT VERY, VERY GOOD KIND OF BACKDROP ON, ON THE COMMUNITY.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD, BRETT WAS ON LONGEVITY.
AGAIN, THESE TIMES THEY ARE CHANGING AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE TWO CITY MANAGERS THAT HAVE HELD THE BULK OF THE TIME HERE.
AND TO ME IT'S 5% ON THIS CHART RIGHT HERE.
I FELT THAT WAS A LITTLE LOW JUST 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT SOME STAYING POWER AND NOT BUILDING A RESUME TO MOVE ON.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL INPUT ON THAT.
LONGEVITY JUST SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT, AND, AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LONGEVITY VERSUS THE PAST LONGEVITY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU INCORPORATE THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST IN MY MIND ON THAT.
WELL, AND I WANT TO ASSUME THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY.
UM, LONGEVITY WOULD NOT BE WHAT YOU ARE PROJECTING YOUR NEW OR INCOMING CITY MANAGER WOULD COME HERE TO WORK FOR.
LONGEVITY IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS HOW LONG HAVE THEY SERVED IN THEIR PAST POSITIONS OR THEIR CURRENT POSITION.
YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THE LIFESPAN OF A CITY MANAGER IN ONE ROLE, IN ONE POSITION IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND, AND KIRK'S BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN THAT.
SO WHEN, WHEN, AND THESE PERCENTAGES ARE WEIGHTED, OKAY, I CAN ADJUST THOSE PERCENTAGES AS LONG AS THE TOTAL EQUALS A HUNDRED, I CAN CHANGE THOSE PERCENTAGES TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE.
WELL, WHAT WILL WE TAKE IT FROM IF WE CHANGE THAT? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE, THE REASONS THAT A CITY MANAGER MAY WANT TO LEAVE A POSITION FOR ANOTHER ONE VERSUS I CAN SEE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WHERE HE HASN'T, ISN'T SEEING A CHANCE FOR PROMOTION WHERE HE IS JOB SEARCHING MORE THAN I CAN SEE A CITY MANAGER? WELL, THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF VARIABLES OR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT REGION OF THE COUNTRY TO LIVE IN ONE, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER SALARY, BETTER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
FOR ME IT WAS, I DIDN'T WANNA SHOVEL SNOW ANYMORE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, VARIABLES THAT MIGHT PLAY INTO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THEN FOR A CITY MANAGER TO MOVE NO, IT'S NOT.
BUT WE'RE JUST NOT USED TO IT RECENTLY.
AND THE THING, A LENS THAT I LOOK AT IT THROUGH IS, I MEAN THE, THE CAR BUSINESS, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HERE IS A, IS A BUSINESS WHERE TYPICALLY YOU SEE SOME DEGREE OF CHURN, BUT, OR TAKE A LOOK AT LIKE SAY COLLEGE COACHES OR, OR JUST COACHES IN GENERAL.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STAIR STEP POSITIONS AND DESTINATION JOBS.
AND I THINK OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY MADE BRENTWOOD A DESTINATION JOB.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY NOT BE ALABAMA FOOTBALL, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
THAT'S THE JOB YOU RETIRE FROM IF YOU CAN NOT A JOB THAT YOU, YOU PASS THROUGH.
AND IN THE CAR BUSINESS WE CERTAINLY SEE COMPANIES AND FRANCHISES THAT ARE DESTINATION JOBS.
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UM, SO I THINK WHAT Y'ALL ARE GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS, BURWOOD'S BEEN A DESTINATION JOB AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS AS A DESTINATION POSITION, NOT AS A, A PASS THROUGH POSITION WITH A THREE TO FIVE YEAR TENURE.AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A PERCENTAGE ON YOUR SHEET AS MUCH AS JUST A MINDSET TOWARDS HOW WE POSITION IT.
DID I ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION OR COMMENT? YOU DID.
DO YOU GUYS WANT, DO YOU GUYS WANT, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO ADJUST THAT PERCENTAGE THOUGH? I DON'T WANNA TAKE FROM THE OTHERS.
I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT CATEGORY, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
WELL, AND I THINK BRENT, PART OF WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS NOT JUST LOOK AT THE TIME THEY'VE BEEN IN POSITIONS, BUT WHAT WERE THE REASONS THEY JUMPED? ABSOLUTELY.
DID THEY JUMP TO A BETTER COMMUNITY AND A HIGHER PREY AND ALL THAT? OR DID THEY GET FORCED OUT OR ABSOLUTELY.
ARE THEY CONSTANTLY LASTING THREE YEARS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, CHANGING, CHANGING POLITICS AND, AND THAT'S A IN, IN THE PROFESSION THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN SOMEWHERE THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN A SMALLER COMMUNITY WHO THEN JUMPS TO A LARGER COMMUNITY AND IT MAYBE A MORE METROPOLITAN AREA IN A LARGER ORG.
AND WHAT YOU WANT IS SOMEBODY WHO'S EXACTLY WHAT NELSON SAID, READY TO COME AND END THEIR CAREER HERE, WHETHER THAT'S 15 YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR WHATEVER, AS LONG AS THEY COME HERE TO WIN
I'LL SAY THIS THOUGH, WHEN WE GO THROUGH RECEIVING THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND, AND ONCE WE GET TO WHERE WE'RE SETTING UP VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH THOSE SEMI-FINALISTS, OKAY.
IF WE KNOW OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S IN THERE, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL HISTORY, YOU KNOW, CHRIS AND I ARE, WE'RE GONNA DRILL 'EM.
WE'RE GONNA DRILL 'EM PRETTY HARD ON THAT.
SO IF THERE IS THAT SORT OF THING ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, RESUME, UH, YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT IN THAT VIRTUAL RECORDING WHEN YOU WATCH THEM.
AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR THAT.
SOMETIMES THEY, THEY STUTTER AROUND AND DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER EITHER WAY.
NOW WE LIKE, WE'RE GENERALLY WE WILL HAVE OUR DISAGREEMENTS, BUT WE ARE PRETTY MUCH A NO DRAMA COMMISSION WITH YOU SAY, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THE HEADLINES WITH CONTROVERSIES.
BUT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY SOME PLACES THAT ARE HERE.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, CAN YOU FIND, DOES THAT TYPE OF THING COME UP? I MEAN, ARE THEY THE CENTER OF DRAMA? I DON'T WANT A CONTROVERSIAL CITY MANAGER WHO'S ALWAYS FIGHTING WITH THE DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY.
DOES THAT COME OUT IN YOUR INTERVIEWS OR IT DOES.
HOW DO YOU DETECT THAT? DO YOU GO BACK AND READ LOCAL NEWSPAPERS OR WHATEVER? WE, WE, WE DO DO THAT AND WE HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT JUST HAVING A CONVER JUST A NORMAL CONVERSATION CAN, CAN DISCLOSE A LOT OF THAT.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE DO THOSE VIRTUAL MEETINGS AND WHY WE RECORD THOSE VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
WE WANT YOU GUYS TO SEE THEM OKAY.
UM, BUT YES, WE DO DO THAT RESEARCH AS WELL.
AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE SEARCHING THEIR NAME AND LOCAL PAPERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THE TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED? DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY? OR WE TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO ALONG? I DON'T THINK THE TIMELINE NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF, WE, KIRK AND I ADJUSTED IT, UM, ALREADY ONCE AND, AND I DID SEND HIM THE UPDATE ONE AND TOLD HIM TO DISREGARD THE FIRST ONE, UH, BECAUSE WE DID SHORTEN IT.
UH, BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IF, IF WE, IF WE DO NEED TO ADJUST IT, I WILL DO THAT AND I'LL MAKE SURE I DISTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT OR UP DATE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND EVERYBODY STAYS ON THE SAME PAGE.
I, I THINK UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WHEN YOU ALL APPROVE THE, THE BROCHURE AND THE START THE ADVERTISING, THEN THAT KICKS IN THOSE EXTRA DAYS.
BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT EARLY OCTOBER DATE KIND OF STILL TO BE DETERMINED, DEFINED.
BUT UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WHEN YOUR ADVERTISING START, THAT'S KIND OF THE DRIVER OF THE REST OF IT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.
THERE, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO, TO THIS RECRUITMENT, UH, TIME-WISE THAT I, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE ADVERTISING PERIOD, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 30 DAYS.
AND THEN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO DO, YOU KNOW, A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION ON THE FINALISTS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 14 DAYS AND DURING THAT ADVERTISING PERIOD IS WHEN YOU WOULD BE ACTIVELY
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT ALREADY.
BUT I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T PROMOTE ANYTHING THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PROMOTE JUST YET.
SO YOU NEED TO KNOW SALARY AND LOCATION PACKAGE NOW TO MOVE THE BROCHURE FORWARD.
I DON'T NEED THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IN THE BROCHURE.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST NOT PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN THE BROCHURE.
I WOULD SUGGEST PUTTING SOME SORT OF SALARY RANGE IN THERE THOUGH THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, I MEAN, AGAIN, JUST TO GET THE PROCESS GOING.
I MEAN, BUT I DON'T NEED THAT TODAY.
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DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA CALL US WITH THAT, BUT YOU'LL SEND US AN EMAIL WITH THAT INQUIRY.I'M OKAY WITH THE SUGGESTED SALARY RANGE IF THAT'S WHAT GETS US GOING.
WE'LL, WE DISCUSSED THAT YOU MIGHT SEND AN EMAIL AND THEN WE WOULD INDIVIDUALLY RESPOND TO YOU UPON THE RANGE OF SALARY.
IS THAT WHAT WE ARE WALKING AWAY FROM THIS MEETING UNDERSTANDING? WELL, IF, IF YOU GUYS WANTED ME TO DO THAT, MAYOR ORMAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, PULLING YOU GUYS FOR THAT INFORMATION.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TILL OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH IS YEAH.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A, THIS IS A FIRST TIME GROUP CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE TWO POINTS.
BUT, BUT SHOULD WE GO AROUND AND SEE IF WE HAD CONSENSUS? LIKE I SAID, IT'S, I CAN MENTION HE'S OKAY WITH THE SOLID RANGE.
I KNOW I'M OKAY WITH THE SOLID RANGE.
DO YOU HAVE TWO MORE THAT ARE OKAY WITH THE SALARY RANGE THAT YOU SUGGESTED? I I THINK IT'S WISE THAT WE, SINCE WE JUST GOT IT TODAY, THAT WE WOULD JUST TAKE IT BACK TO THE RESIDENTS, FEW THEM TALK TO THEM, THINK WHAT THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE, THINK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS LONG TERM, SHORT TERM.
I PERSONALLY THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THAN DOING IT ON THE SPOT RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN UNDERGIRD OUR, WE ALL MAY AGREE AND WE ALL MAY SAY IT'S A GREAT RANGE, BUT LET'S JUST KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ALSO SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE MATH.
UM, 'CAUSE IF WE SAY THAT WE WANT SOMEBODY TO BE HERE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POTENTIAL MORTGAGE RATE IS AND THEN WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO EARN, UH, IN, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE, UH, TO LIVE HERE.
AND THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT WITH THAT, UM, SALARY RANGE AND WHAT THAT MORTGAGE WOULD BE, UM, AND WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE TO AFFORD THAT MORTGAGE.
SO, UH, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE SALARY RANGE TODAY.
UM, WHEN I DRAFT THE RECRUITMENT OR WHEN I START DRAFTING THE RECRUITMENT BROCHURE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT INFORMATION IN THAT DOCUMENT, UH, WILL BE ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE, THE JOB POSITION IF YOU WILL.
AND, YOU KNOW, JOB, UM, INFORMATION THAT THAT ENTAILS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE SALARY RANGE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL EXCELLENT FRINGE BENEFITS, SOME LANGUAGE ALONG, ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT IN THERE AND I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE SALARY RANGE AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT SALARY RANGE KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED YET.
AND THEN OUR PLAN TO COMMUNICATE THAT BACK TO YOU IS WE HAVE A TARGET GOAL ON WHEN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BACK TO HIM SO THAT HE CAN GET THE BROCHURE AND THEN MOVE FORWARD ON PROBABLY ALREADY TO HAVE THOSE TARGET GOALS OR THOSE MEETINGS.
WELL, WELL THOSE ARE, YEAH, THOSE ARE SET.
BUT THIS IS TO FI THE GOAL IS TO FINALIZE THE BROCHURE BY THE END OF, END OF THE MONTH, 1ST OF AUGUST.
I SEND, YOU SAID YOU COULD HAVE IT BY FRIDAY, RIGHT? I, I BELIEVE I GET DRAFT.
SO NEXT FRIDAY IF YOU SEND US THAT, WE'LL GET IT BACK TO YOU'LL SEND IT TO US BY FRIDAY.
YOU GET IT TO US AND WE'LL GET IT BACK TO YOU.
AND I CAN LEAVE THE SALARY RANGE, LIKE I SAID, VACANT, BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY SEES THAT IT'S HIGHLIGHTED.
AND THAT WAY WHEN YOU GUYS REPLY BACK TO ME, UM, FRIDAY A WEEK FROM NOW, WE'LL EXPECT IT AS SOON AS WE GET IT FROM YOU, WE'LL REPLY BACK INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR RANGE.
NOW IF THERE IS DIFFERENT RANGES THAT I RECEIVED, OH, THERE WILL BE
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE ONLY AVENUE FOR Y'ALL AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE AUGUST 8TH BRIEFING, WHICH KIND OF PUSHES, STARTS PUSHING THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE BACK.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT PART OF IT I DON'T THINK WOULD EVEN BE IN THE BROCHURE AT THIS POINT.
NO, NO, JUST NO, BUT I'M SAYING FOR OUR BENEFIT AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THAT I DEFINITELY THINK AS, AS YOU GUYS, AS A GOVERNING BODY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS NOW WILL ALLEVIATE POTENTIAL DISCUSSION PROBLEMS AT THE END OF THIS FINISH LINE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK IT'LL HELP TO KNOW THE, LIKE A MAX THAT WE COULD DO ON A POTENTIAL RELOCATION PACKAGE, SIGNING BONUS, WHATEVER.
BECAUSE THAT MAY AFFECT THE SALARY RANGE TOO, IF THERE'S A CAP.
IF WE'RE ALL THINKING, OH, WE CAN DO A 10,000 AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS, NOPE, YOU CAN ONLY DO 2000 OR SOMETHING AND I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS, THEN THAT DOES AFFECT POTENTIAL SALARY RANGE IF WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF MAKE THE PUZZLE PIECES WORK.
SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION SOONER RATHER
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THAN LATER MAY ACTUALLY HELP US AND TO MAKE ANY GIANT IMPACT ON HOUSING FOR SOMEONE, THAT NUMBER WOULD NEED AT LEAST SIX DIGITS IN ITI, I, AND, AND THAT IS A VERY LARGE NUMBER.
WE MAY NOT, THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE TABLE, WE MAY NOT BE CONSIDERING THAT.
WE MAY NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
I THINK THAT WOULD, THERE'S NOTHING OBVIOUSLY SPECIFIC IN STATE LAW, SO WE HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE COMPTROLLER JUST FROM A, A PUBLIC FINANCE STANDPOINT.
AND THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT REASONABLE MOVING EXPENSES.
THE QUESTION IS OVER AND ABOVE THAT.
AND I THINK THEIR ANSWER IS PROBABLY GONNA BE REASONABLE AND SIX FIGURES JUST GETS UP TO A VERY QUESTIONABLE, REASONABLE, I THINK I'M AFRAID.
BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT GUIDANCE WE GET.
THE DEFINITION OF REASONABLE
SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ME ABOUT THE CANADA PROFILE, THE GRADING, ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROCESS? NO, SO FAR SO GOOD.
BEFORE WE BREAK FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE HERE, WHAT HAVE, UM, WHAT HAVE WE POTENTIALLY MISSED THAT YOU WISH THAT WE WOULD'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH BRETT? YOU DON'T, NO PRESSURE TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING OBVIOUS THAT WE'VE MISSED, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL.
ARE YOU MEETING WITH THEM AS A GROUP TOO? UH, THAT'S NOT DEFINITIVE, BUT, BUT I HOPE TO GET TO MEET THEM.
WELL, ALL OF THEM DID THE SURVEY TOO.
I MEAN, AT THIS POINT I WILL, I'M GONNA TAKE SPEND MOST OF THE DAY WITH HIM AND TAKE HIM AROUND AND INTRODUCE HIM, BUT NOT IN A, ANY KIND OF STRUCTURED FORM.
SEE KIRK, KIRK IS GONNA BE WEARING A LITTLE CAP LEADER TODAY AS HE CHAUFFEURS ME AROUND BRENTWOOD CITY TAHOE.
I DO HOPE THAT YOU'LL KIND OF, AS YOU MEET 'EM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, A SURVEY THAT CAME BACK OR WHATEVER THAT THEY FELT LIKE WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY MANAGER IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND THEIR INTERACTION WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT YOU'LL ALSO REALLY DRILL DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NEEDS ARE MET BECAUSE THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THEM.
WELL, I WILL SAY THIS, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ASKING ME A DIRECT QUESTION AND I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION ANYBODY'S NAME.
I'M NOT GONNA THROW ANYBODY ON THE BUS, BUT I WILL SAY THIS IN REGARDS TO THE SURVEY RESPONSES, ALL OF YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL OF YOU ARE VERY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE STAFF'S.
AND YOU TAKE BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS.
BOTH GROUPS FOR THE MOST PART ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
THERE'S SOME SMALL VARIABILITIES, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
IF THERE WERE, THAT'D BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION TODAY.
AND NOTHING THAT THEY'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT WE ALSO HAVE, WE'VE JUST TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK OFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
IF YOU WANT TO, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS YOU WANT TAKE, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
UM, TAKE HIM IN, IN, UH, SIMPLICITY.
I SEND ORDER THE VETERAN'S DAY ISSUE.
UH, I KNOW THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT HAVING A VETERAN'S DAY CEREMONY.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING ON WE DO VETERAN'S DAY, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THAT AS A HOLIDAY.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY.
SO THIS IS REALLY NOT A STAFF THING, IT'S, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL WHAT YOU, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AND HOW YOU WANNA DO IT.
I THINK I OFFERED, UH, BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY, UM, TO DO VETERANS DAY, BROUGHT IT UP TO EVERYONE DURING A MEETING AND, UM, HAVE BEEN PROCEEDING FORWARD.
I THINK WE GOT GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT MEMORIAL DAY.
UM, AND IT WAS GREAT, A JOY WORKING STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I WOULD BE PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR A VETERAN'S DAY THIS FALL.
HAVE YOU ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT THAT? UM, DID AND CHARLES AND I HAVE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON A DOCUMENT AND EVEN EMAILING.
WELL, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
UM, WOULD YOU WANT ME TO START AT THE VERY BEGINNING? NO, I SAID YEAH, YOU YEAH, I DO.
BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU TALKED TO SOMEBODY AND I MISSED THAT COMPLAIN.
I, I TALKED TO CHARLES, CHARLES BOOTH AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND WORKING ON DOCUMENTS TOGETHER TO FORM A, AN OUTLINE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR MEMORIAL DAY.
I WOULD SAY CONTINUE ON, UH, WOULD BE UH, WOULD BE MY, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU'VE DONE A, UH, VERY NICE JOB.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN A MEETING.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT I MEMORIAL DAY AND KIRK HAS BEEN AWARE.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AFTER MEMORIAL DAY THAT THAT WENT WELL AND THAT
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WE, MAYBE WE DO SOMETHING.IT'S JUST THAT'S THE FIRST I HAD HEARD OF IT, BUT WELL WAS, I MEAN I'M ALL FOR IT.
I THINK THAT'S SAYING A GREAT IDEA.
I'M, IT WAS A DISCUSSION AMONG YOU ALL THAT'S LIKE TWICE NOW THAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT, HAVE THESE EVENTS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT 'EM AFTER THEY STARTED BEING CLAIMED EITHER DISCUSS, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
THERE WAS A MEMORIAL DAY EVENT THAT YOU ALL HAD AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT THAT WENT WELL, MAYBE WE OUGHT LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING.
MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT ALL.
WELL, THAT'S ALL THAT'S HAPPENED ISS WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S WHY I PUT IN ABOUT ME CHAIRING IT IS 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE THEN BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, IT WAS A ONE PAGE OUTLINE OF WHAT AN EVENT WOULD BE.
AND I SAID, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, LET'S BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE IT AND DO IT AND HOW IT'S TO BE DONE.
IF YOU WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN DECIDED, THAT'S THE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
SOMETHING HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO YOU WITH SOME IDEA.
YEAH, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THE MEMORIAL DAY, UM, RON AND I WERE DRIVING HOME FROM THE LAKE JUST TO EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND, AND SHE SAID WHAT A GREAT EVENT IT WAS.
AND YOU KNOW, SHE WAS HERE AND, AND REALLY ENJOYED IT.
IN THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU CONTINUE AND HAVE THIS ON VETERAN'S DAY.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A STAFF DRIVEN EVENT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FACILITATE DISCUSSION.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD THE CONTRACT THAT GOT, UH, DEFERRED.
SO THE QUESTION FROM STAFF IS SIMPLY, WE'VE TALKED WITH DICKY SULLIVAN.
HE'S WILLING TO COME IN AND JUST KIND OF HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU ALL CONCERNS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PROPOSED PLAN AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
NOW THAT WILL, IF YOU WANT MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED, UH, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL BE ADDED COST.
BUT HE'S WILLING TO COME IN AT LEAST FOR AN INITIAL DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.
I ASSUME THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, AND THEN OUT OF THAT THOUGH, WOULD THEN BE, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE EXTRA.
HE'LL THEN HAVE TO PUT A FEE OF THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH IT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK, COULD YOU REMIND ME WHEN, UM, WHEN THAT WAS SET UP, WHEN, WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON AND SET UP WITH SULLIVAN ENGINEERING FOR THE ORIGINAL WORK THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT DOCUMENT WAS? LATE RESOLUTION, LATE 22.
MAYBE MARCH OR MAYBE SPRING OF THE SAME YEAR, OR, I, I, OKAY.
I WAS GONNA SAY EITHER LATE 22 OR EARLY 20.
IN THAT SCOPE OF WORK, WAS THERE ONLY ONE PUBLIC MEETING? YES.
YEAH, I THINK HAVING HIM IN TO TALK WITH US TO KIND OF SEE WHAT, IF WE WANT HIM TO GO BACK AND KIND OF LOOK AT, NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AND WE'VE LEARNED SOME MORE STUFF, AND YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, WHAT IS SO HE CAN BE A LITTLE BETTER PREPARED? SO, UH, JUST, I, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A LONG DETAIL, BUT JUST, IS IT JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS OR TRAFFIC, CALMING SPEED? WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS WITH? WELL, AND I WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY, AND I SAID THIS, THE NIGHT OF THE, AT THE MEETING, WE WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WITH PLAN A AND B, AND WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SAID, AND HE SAID, OKAY, IT'S 50% MORE TO DO PLAN B.
BUT THEY SAID, WELL, LET'S GO GET COMMUNITY.
WE'LL HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND GET BACK WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU FEEDBACK.
AND I REALLY WASN'T UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE, WE WERE LOCKED IN ON PLAN A AT THAT POINT WITH A NOD OF THE HEAD THINKING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THEM RESIDENTS AND THEN KIND OF REALLY HASH IT OUT.
AND SO, AS I STARTED LOOKING AND DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH AND WE VERY QUICKLY JUST SAID, NO, I'M PLAN B BECAUSE OF THE COST, IT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WAS THAT COST 50% MORE BECAUSE OF THE, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AND THE TRUE HARD CURB AND GUTTER AND ALL THE DRAINAGE THAT HAD TO BE CREATED.
CAN WE MAKE THE ROAD NARROWER, MAKE IT ONE WAY? SO THEN THE, THE WIDTH IS NOT AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM IF IT'S EIGHT FEET OR WHATEVER.
AND WE CAN DO THAT NEWER KIND OF FORMAT OF NOT HAVING HARD CURBS, BUT THE WATER CAN STILL KIND OF ROLL OFF AND WE DON'T IMPACT THE, THE TREES THERE AND THE, AND THE WALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF THAT BECOMES A ONE-WAY, EASTBOUND LANE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONLY EIGHT FEET WIDE.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND THEN THE REST BECOMES ENOUGH OF A SHOULDER TO CREATE THAT NEWER MODEL OF, I'M GONNA CALL IT ROLL OFF WATER INSTEAD OF CURB WATER.
UM, IS THAT AN OPTION? AND IF SO, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT COST LOOK LIKE? 'CAUSE FROM THE, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM THE RESIDENTS, THE REASON THEY BOUGHT THAT HOUSE AND THE, THAT THEIR HOUSE THERE OR WHATEVER IS THAT HISTORICAL ROAD.
AND IF WE COMPLETELY ABANDON IT AND DO EVERYTHING EAST AND WESTBOUND IN A NEW LOCATION, WE ARE ABANDONING THAT ROAD.
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THE HISTORICAL ROAD THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO TRAVEL DOWN.SO I DO REALLY WANNA LOOK AT, CAN WE MAKE ONE LANE THE, THE ORIGINAL? YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE ASKING.
I JUST WANT, IS IT COST? IT COST AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? YOU KNOW, WAS THE SIGNIFICANT 50% MORE COST BECAUSE OF A HARD CURB AND GUTTER BECAUSE IT WAS A 12 FOOT WIDE ROAD? I'M SURE A LOT OF, I REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OPTION, THE IDEA OF HOW MUCH YOU UPGRADE THE EXISTING REVENUE.
AND WHAT SOLVE AN ENGINEERING CHARGES TO COME BACK AND DO THAT.
THAT THIS, LOOK AT IT, I MEAN, WELL, AGAIN, THE FIRST MEETING TO DISCUSS IS HE'LL, HE'LL DO THAT.
RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, TO COMPARE IT.
BUT IF YOU WANT HIM TO, TO MORE FULLY ENGINEER THAT, YES, THAT WILL BE A FEE.
IF YOU WANT MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT WILL BE A FEE.
BECAUSE HE KIND OF ALREADY HAD A A, I MEAN, HE MUST HAVE HAD A REASON, SOME KIND OF THINGS BUILT UP TO WHY HE SAID 50% TO, TO SOME DEGREE.
NOW, WHETHER THAT'S ENOUGH OF A DEGREE OR WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE MORE, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THERE.
AND WAS THE BULK OF THAT BECAUSE OF A HARD CURB GUTTER? IF THE BULK OF THAT MONEY WAS IN THERE, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE OUR ANSWER.
SO I JUST WANT TO DIG IN DEEPER WITH HIM ON THAT.
PLAN B, WE IMMEDIATELY DISMISSED IT BECAUSE OF THE COST, BUT ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO DO IT TO BRING THAT COST DOWN THAT WE COULD STILL CONSIDER? AND ALSO, I SUPPOSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, I KNOW VICKY SULLIVAN, ALONG WITH HER ENGINEERING STAFF, LOOKED INTO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES THAT WERE EITHER NOT POSSIBLE FROM ENGINEERING OR CODES OR WHATEVER REASONS I THINK SARAH MENTIONED, LIKE SAFETY STANDARDS.
SO, SO THERE COULD BE, IN THIS DISCUSSION, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN IS MENTIONING WERE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED AND AND REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF, FOR REAL ENGINEERING AND STANDARDS, I MEAN, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING AND LEAVING THE EXISTING ROAD WILL REQUIRE YOU TO ACCEPT SOME ENGINEERING DESIGN EXCEPTIONS TO WHAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD DESIGN AND, AND WHAT ARE THOSE, RIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU SAVE, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU STILL HAVE IMPACTING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROADS? MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT IT'S ALMOST THE SAME.
AND IT'S WHAT'S THE VALUE IN THAT? RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER SPEAKERS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2022, WE HAD DICKY SULLIVAN BRIEFING AND TALK TO THE CITY COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022, AS FOR, AND IT WAS VOTED ON ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022.
CAN YOU ALL SEND US THAT DOCUMENT JUST SO WE KNOW.
AND THEN KIRK, YOU MENTIONED RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WHERE ARE WE ON ALL OF THAT? JUST SO THAT WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND GOING INTO THIS MEETING WITH DICK SALT, WITH RIGHT OF WAY, IT, WE KNOW WE NEED TO ACQUIRE IT BASED ON, UM, THE LIDLE PROPERTY AND THE WALKER WILLIAMS PROPERTY AT THE END.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT NEED TO BE ACQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY.
LIKELY UNDER THE, IF IF THE PROJECT, IF THE PROJECT GOES, WE GET WHAT AND B ANYMORE, BUT WHATEVER THE, THE TWO LINES ON THE NORTH SIDE, IS IT OKAY, IF THE PROJECT GOES FORWARD, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND AT THIS POINT, THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE NOT BEEN ENTERED INTO WITH THOSE RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY.
OH, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE AT A POINT, WE ARE NOT ENGINEERED THE, THE PROJECT TO BE AT A POINT.
BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S THE, THERE'S NOT OTHER THAN A, UM, WELL, THE DISCUSSION AT THE PUBLIC MEETING WITH THEM YEAH.
AND THOSE, BUT THOSE HOMEOWNERS, WE KNOW, I KNOW FOR SURE ONE HOMEOWNER IS AWARE, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY NEED TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT IS THE OTHER HOMEOWNER, OR DO WE, DO WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE OTHER HOMEOWNER IS AWARE THAT IT MAY BE THE LIGHTLE SON WAS AT THE MEETING.
BUT AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, UNTIL YOU DECIDE ON A PLAN, RIGHT? AND WE ENGINEER THAT PLAN, CAN WE, WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED X FEET, X FEET, RIGHT.
AT THIS AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OR WHATEVER.
WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT AT, BUT AT LEAST THOSE FAMILIES ARE AWARE.
AND THAT'S AN A QUESTION QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED BY, BY RESIDENTS.
SO SARAH CAROLINE JUST MENTIONED THAT THE WILLIAMS FAMILY WAS AT THE MEETING.
AND THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
ALL OWNERS ALONG THAT STRETCH WERE INVITED TO THE MEETING.
SO WE WILL, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE AUGUST 8TH, IT MAY BE THE 22ND OF AUGUST.
AS, AS FAR AS DICKIE COMING IN YEAH.
I DON'T GENERALLY SPRING THINGS ON KURT WITHOUT NOTIFYING HIM.
THIS IS AN IDEA THAT I JUST HAD THIS MORNING.
UM, WE HAVE NO SURPRISE RULE, RIGHT?
AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, ONE OF THE DIRECTIVES WAS NOT TO IMPACT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT EXISTING ROADWAY.
AND ANYTHING WE DO TO THAT EXISTING ROADWAY CONCERNING PUTTING TRAFFIC ON IT, IS GONNA IMPACT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT ROADWAY.
NOW WE CAN GET INTO THAT, JUST AS YOU MENTIONED,
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BUT, UM, MY, MY IDEA IS THIS, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING DICKIE COME IN AND DISCUSS WITH YOU, UH, GET MORE INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT THE OPTION B AND OPTION A, AND THEN PLAN ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING, I REALLY DON'T THINK ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, WHERE WE, UH, SIMPLY PRESENT THE OPTION AND HAVE THE CITIZENS WAIT THEIR TURN TO, UH, EITHER EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS OR IN SOME CASES, THERE ARE FRUSTRATION OR BEAT UP ON THE MC OF THE MEETING.UM, I CAN TAKE IT, I CAN TAKE IT.
YEAH, IT'S A JOKE, WHICH GENERALLY AREN'T FUNNY, EVEN THE ENGINEERS.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION SUCH AS, UM, A DESIGN CHARETTE WHEREBY, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD, UM, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WE CANNOT DESIGN A PROJECT BY OPEN FORUM.
IT IS JUST, IT JUST CAN'T BE DONE.
AND IT'S TOUGH TO DESIGN A PROJECT BY COMMITTEE, BUT A DESIGN CHARETTE, WE COULD ENGAGE IN THAT, WHEREBY IT, IT'S MORE OPEN, IT'S MORE INTENSIVE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING SOMEBODY IN, OTHER THAN DICKIE, DICKIE WOULD BE THERE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE HE'S, HE WOULD BE THE ENGINEER FOR WHOM HAS DONE THE RESEARCH AND WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.
BUT WE COULD BRING IN AN ANOTHER OUTFIT THAT CONDUCTS THESE REGULARLY, OR THESE GENERALLY TAKE, GENERALLY TAKE PLACE BY USING YOUR CELL PHONES WITH, UH, OPEN SURVEYS.
YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN, IN, UH, REAL TIME, UH, TABLES WHEREBY CITIZENS, ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN, CAN COLLABORATE, DRAW OUT THEIR IDEAS, UM, IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER PARTY INVOLVED IN THAT.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KIRK AND I CAN TALK, TALK ABOUT IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA PURSUE.
UM, I'M JUST AFRAID THAT IF WE CONTINUE THE ROUTE THAT WE HAVE, SINCE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS SO LIMITED, THE PROJECT IS SO LIMITED, EVEN WITH MORE INPUT FROM A PUBLIC MEETING, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK AT THE SAME PLACE WHEREBY, UH, THE DESIGN HASN'T CHANGED MUCH.
AND INDIVIDUALS, CITIZENS, UH, COMMISSIONERS DON'T FEEL THAT THEY'VE HAD THE PROPER INPUT.
A DESIGN CHARETTE WOULD BE MUCH MORE INTENSIVE.
IT WOULD TAKE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, IT MIGHT EVEN TAKE TWO OF THESE.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S JUST A, I'M SORRY.
IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMAL, LET'S GET AROUND THE TABLE, WE'LL DRAW AND THEN MAKE NOTES AND DISCUSS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE INFORMAL, A LITTLE MORE COLLABORATIVE INPUT AND, AND LESS OF A PRESENT HEAR BACK AND SAY, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM THERE, TYPE THING.
SO THERE'S SOME VALUE IN WHAT DEREK'S SAYING.
WE JUST HAVE TO STRUCTURE, FIGURE OUT THE STRUCTURE OF IT.
THERE'S SOME DISADVANTAGES IN THAT WHERE IT COULD, THINGS COULD INTENSIFY WHERE NEIGHBORS ARE PITTED AGAINST NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, BUT AT LEAST IT DOES ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS HEARD.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK MAYBE THE RESIDENTS AND EVERYONE INVOLVED MAY FEEL LIKE THEY HAD A MIDDLE, A A BIT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME.
I MEAN, I MEAN, LET'S START WITH GETTING, SOLVE IT BACK IN AND, AND THEN, THEN WE CAN TALK.
BUT THAT, THAT IS A VALID IDEA THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE AS OPPOSED TO A LECTURE.
AND THEN WHATEVER IS SUGGESTED THAT, BECAUSE IT IS STILL LIKE A COMMITTEE PLANNING THING, THERE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF ENGINEERING.
YOU COULD HAVE THINGS SUGGESTED THAT JUST SAY, IT JUST WON'T WORK.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY.
AND ULTIMATELY IT ALL STILL COMES BACK TO YOUR ALL'S DECISION.
IT WOULD BE MORE MONEY AND IT WOULD BE MORE INTENSIVE.
UH, IF YOU'RE ALL STILL HANGING IN, UH, I GUESS RACKET FACILITY, YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE 11 O'CLOCK? YEAH.
UM, REALLY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO COMMUNICATE OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALBEIT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DELVED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE WHERE, UH, DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE, AS A CITY OF BRENTWOOD, THE LEGAL AUTHORITY ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES THROUGH OTHER LEGAL BODIES, BUT NOT AS THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD TO DO THAT.
SO QUESTION IS, IS HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED FROM HERE? DO YOU WANT, UH, TO GET A PUBLIC FINANCE LEGAL EXPERT IN? I CAN KIND OF DELVE INTO THIS A LITTLE MORE AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS THERE MAY BE THROUGH AN IDB.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
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GET KRISTEN TO KIND OF BRING THE PUBLIC UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE GOT.EMAIL WISE, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
AS KIRK MENTIONED, UM, WELL, AND FROM THE BIG, THE VERY BEGINNING, I THINK YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT KIRK SAID THERE WERE SOME LEGAL THINGS THAT WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH, AND THIS WAS IT.
WE LOOKED, UM, WE KNEW THAT OTHER CITIES AS WE THOUGHT WERE DOING THINGS LIKE THIS, ARE HAVING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
OR AGAIN, AND I THINK I MENTIONED AT LEAST IN YOU COMM IN AN EMAIL TO YOU COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN THAT, UM, CITIES, A LOT OF TIMES OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS USE THAT PHRASE, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WHAT IT MEANS UNDER STATE LAW.
UM, AND AS WE GOT FURTHER ALONG WITH THE PROCESS, AND AS KIRK, UM, WITH YOUR ALL'S DIRECTION GOT FURTHER ALONG IN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH MR. PATTON, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THERE WAS SOME MIXING OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FINANCES.
KIRK HAD REACHED OUT TO THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND AN INITIAL CONVERSATION, THEY HADN'T RAISED ANY KIND OF RED FLAGS AND SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY.
BUT AGAIN, AS WE GOT FARTHER ALONG, UM, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, TENNESSEE IS WHAT'S CALLED A DILLS RULE STATE, WHICH MEANS THAT CITIES CAN DO WHAT THEY'RE AUTHORIZED BY STATUTE TO DO STATUTE COULD BE STATE LAW IN GENERAL, OR CHARTER, WHICH FOR US IS ALSO STATE LAW.
UM, OR ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CLEAR, CLEAR INFERENCE THAT A CITY CAN DO SOMETHING.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER STATE LAWS THAT PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, WHICH AS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, ARE DEFINED AS THE, UM, THE MIXING OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FUNDS FOR SOME PRIVATE GAIN.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN STATUTES THAT ALLOW FOR CITIES TO DO THAT.
AND ACTUALLY SOME NEW, A NEW STATUTE IS FOR SOME HOUSING, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW DOESN'T SAY, OH, BUT CITIES COULD ALSO DO THIS FOR A RACKET FACILITY OR FOR, FOR A PARK FACILITY OR FOR SOME KIND OF RECREATION FACILITY.
DYLAN'S RULE MEANS THAT WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT DOES, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW DOESN'T SAY WE CAN DO IT.
UM, AND AS I'VE MENTIONED, THE STATE LAW DOES PROVIDE THAT FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARDS, UM, AND FOR PUBLIC BUILDING AUTHORITIES, THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR, UM, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AGAIN, AS WE KNOW, STATE, THE STATE CAN DO IT.
TDOT CAN DO IT AS WE KNOW THEY'RE THE, THE CHOICE LANDS.
THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IF THAT, UM, WHEN THAT COMES TO FRUITION.
SO I'VE ALSO MENTIONED IBS AND PBAS ARE SO SPECIFIC, THEY'RE SO DETAILED, UM, THAT THERE ARE LOGS WHO DO JUST THAT.
UM, SO THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO PURSUE IS BRENTWOOD DOING AN IDB, WHICH AGAIN WOULD BE A NONPROFIT BOARD, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF DOING SOME KIND OF BUILDING, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GOVERNMENT OR MORE THAN MORE THAN ONE GOVERNMENTAL BODY.
UM, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A PUBLIC FINANCE EXPERT WOULD NEED TO WEIGH ON, WENT ON, EXCUSE ME, WEIGH IN ON TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE SET UP.
COULD IT BE SET UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WHAT KIND OF TAX IMPLICATIONS OR FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO THE CITY AND TO THAT BOARD, HOW THAT BOARD WOULD NOT BE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
UM, BUT THE CITY, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
SO IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF CREATING AN IDB MM-HMM,
THAT'S OUTSIDE COUNCIL, THAT'S CORRECT.
TO COME IN TO ADVISE US IF WE WERE EVEN ALLOWED TO GO RIGHT, OR IF THE IDB WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO THAT WAY.
IF, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE ID B'S STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND, AND AGAIN, WHAT THE CREATION OF THE IDB WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BRENTWOOD HAD ONE VERY LONG AGO.
IT'S, UM, HE DID AWAY WITH IT.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SPEAK TO BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE, IN THE NINETIES, SO IT WAS BEFORE, AND I TRIED TO LOOK BACK IN HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS, DIDN'T REALLY FIND ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR SOME, SOME MINUTES.
BUT AGAIN, NOTHING THAT WOULD, UM, GIVE ME ANY KIND OF BACKGROUND AS TO WHAT EXACTLY IT WAS USED FOR.
BUT YEAH, IT, IT'S JUST SO SPECIFIC AND THERE'S SO MANY FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED AN EXPERT FOR.
I WOULD FIGHT THAT TOOTH AND NAIL.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE, WE'RE ALLOWED BY STATE LAW FOR OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION DISTRICT TO BE A SEPARATE BOARD, NOT RUN BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE LONG-TERM LEASE.
AND THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.
I ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT DEFEND THAT TO TAXPAYERS.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IT, THE IDB WOULD NOT COME TO THE CO COMMISSION AT ALL? THAT'S CORRECT.SEPARATE ENTITY, LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND THEY'RE NOT ELECTED PHYSICIANS? CORRECT.
AND HOW ARE THEY A APPOINTED? UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND AGAIN, WITHOUT, THIS IS JUST BASED ON THE STATUTES, THEY WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
SO, BUT ONCE THEY'RE ON THAT TERM, CORRECT, THERE, IT'S LIKE A JUDGE SHIP OR WHATEVER THEIR BYLAWS, GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, UM, AND THEY WOULD ACT, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY MAKE THEIR OWN ACTION.
SO THE, THE LAST IDB ACTION IN BRENTWOOD, THAT WASN'T OURS.
THE TA, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF TAX ABATEMENTS IN TENNESSEE ARE DONE THROUGH AN IDB.
SO FOR THE TRACTOR SUPPLY TAX ABATEMENT, TECHNICALLY THE IDB OWNED THAT BUILDING, NOT TRACTOR SUPPLY, TRACTOR SUPPLY MADE LEASE PAYMENTS AND PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF TAXES UNTIL THAT TERM ENDED.
IN WHICH CASE THEN OWNERSHIP TRANSFERS TO TRACTOR SUPPLY.
THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THEY'RE, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT 'EM EITHER THAN THAT, BUT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ALTHOUGH THE LAW DOES SAY RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT THERE, IT WOULD ALLOWED, BUT THE INTENTION IS TO KIND OF BRIDGE PUBLIC FINANCE WITH, WITH PRIVATE FINANCE TO, TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND OPERATED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A LONG-TERM.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE DEAL WITH PATENT DISCUSSION WAS IT WOULD STILL BE OWNED BY THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ID B'S PERMANENTLY OWN PROJECTS, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT EITHER.
SO THERE'S MY FATHER-IN-LAW, THIS WAS NOT HIS OCCUPATION, BUT HE WAS A VOLUNTEER CHAIRMAN OF THE METROPOLITAN DEVELOPMENT HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR 25 YEARS.
YOU TALK ABOUT A POWERFUL GROUP.
REALLY, IT WAS, HE HAD AS MUCH POWER AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, SOMETIMES MORE BECAUSE THEY DON'T FACE ELECTION.
AND HE WAS A GOOD PERSON, THANK GOODNESS.
BUT IF HE HADN'T BEEN, I'M JUST SAYING THE POWER THAT WAS PUT IN THAT BOARD.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WHERE WE'RE, WHERE YOU'RE AT IS, IS IF WHETHER YOU WANT A, UH, AN OUTSIDE PUBLIC FINANCE LEGAL EXPERT, WHETHER IT'S RELATED TO THE IBS OR JUST TO COME IN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IN GENERAL AND WHAT IS AND ISN'T ALLOWED, AND IS THERE SOME CREATIVE WAY TO STRUCTURE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU WANT, SAY I LOOKED VERY, VERY HARD,
AND AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK? IS, IS REALLY, I THINK WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING BACK TO, LEMME ASK JUST A COUPLE OF, UM, REAL HIGH LEVEL SIMPLE, UH, QUESTIONS.
UM, IF THE CITY BUILT THE RACKET FACILITY, COULD WE LEASE IT, UH, TO PATENT FOURSOMES SOME SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME? I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE TERMS OF THOSE, OF THAT LEASE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING IT AND, AND CONTRACTING WITH SOMEBODY TO PRIVATELY MANAGE IT.
RIGHT? IN THAT CASE, YOU'RE, THAT'S A FEE FOR SERVICE FOR THEIR MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
SO QUESTION NUMBER TWO, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD JUST PUBLICLY FUND IT AND THEN JUST TURN IT OVER TO THEM WITHOUT A GREAT AMOUNT OF LOCAL CONTROL AND, AND, AND LET THEM RETURN WHATEVER PROFIT THERE IS.
AND YOU PUT GUARDRAILS AND THOSE TYPE THINGS AND LEASES AND THOSE TYPE THINGS.
UM, SO QUESTION NUMBER TWO, UM, CAN YOU, UH, ASSUMING YOU CAN LEASE IT, CAN YOU COLLECT YOUR LEASE PAYMENT UPFRONT FOR THAT SPECIFIED, UH, LEASE PERIOD? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING, BUT A DIFFERENT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT'S JUST DIFFERENT DEAL STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GET A, AN OUTSIDE FINANCE, LEGAL, FINANCE EXPERT IN HERE THEN, BECAUSE I, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE STATE WOULDN'T SAY, WELL, YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING JUST IN A, IN, IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I JUST DON'T THINK, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE, NOT SO MUCH US, BUT MR. PATON ACCUSED OF TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT SOME SORT OF TAX LAWS OR SOMETHING ALSO.
IF, IF YOU WANNA TRY TO THINK, IS THERE SOME OTHER WAY TO, TO GET AT IT? I, WE, WE'D LIKE TO GET IN ON, SO YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO TRANSACTIONS AND YOU DO DEALS, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE DEAL POINTS ARE THAT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND THEN THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN GO ABOUT, UH, OBTAINING, UH, THOSE DIFFERENT LEGAL STRUCTURE.
RIGHT? AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE EASIER TO DO THAN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU ALL SAYING IS YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT SURE.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UM, SOMEONE ELSE, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING SOMEONE ELSE WITH EXPERT WITH
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EXPERTISE IN THAT.I DO, I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE MY BOARD OR MY STUDY ASTRAY AND SAY THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT GETS ESTEEMED BY THE COMP TRAVELER'S OFFICE AND WE LOSE OUR AAA BOND RATING.
SO YEAH, HUNDRED PERCENT
AND IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, SOMETIMES THEY COME UP WITH THOSE DEALS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEY OLD JOKE IS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAX AVOIDANCE AND TAX EVA TAX EVASION IS 30 YEARS SO IN JAIL.
SO IT'S, UH, YEAH, I JUST, YOU GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL.
DO STUFF LEGAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, OH YEAH.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO ILLEGAL, BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY EVEN THINK ARE LEGAL, THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
THEY COME BACK AND THEY CHANGE SOMETHING AROUND AND THEN IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT LEGAL PATENT.
HAVE ANY D DID HE HAVE ANY DESIRE TO MANAGE THIS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT US BUILDING IT AND THEN GOING, I THINK HE, HE SEEMS SO COMMITTED TO IT.
WELL, I THINK THE, AND I JUST BROACHED IT BRIEFLY WITH HIM.
HIS FIRST QUESTION IS, IS, IS WHAT WOULD BE MY LEVEL OF CONTROL? 'CAUSE HE HAS A CERTAIN DESIRE.
SO AGAIN, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU AS A BODY COULD FINANCE THE THINGS PUBLICLY AND JUST TURN COMPLETE CONTROL OVER.
SO HIS QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHAT'S THE ONE IT CHANGES, I THINK THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION ON THE OPERATION.
'CAUSE UNDER THE DEAL WE WERE TALKING, IF IT MADE MONEY, WE ALL SHARED IF IT LOST MONEY, HE, HE COVERED IT UNDER A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR WHETHER IT MAKES MONEY OR NOT.
RIGHT? SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I DON'T WANNA CONTROL THE BUDGET AND LOOK AT EXPENDITURES AND ALL THAT.
AND I THINK IN HIS STANDPOINT, HE'S GOT A CERTAIN, UM, SALARY GROUP FROM PEOPLE HE WANNA HIRE AND WHETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE IS I THINK HE WOULD, MIGHT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER IT, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT I WOULD ASSUME TO BE MUCH MORE OPERATIONAL CONTROL THAT THE CITY WOULD PUT INTO ANY MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, AND WHETHER OR NOT HE'S INTERESTED IN, IN WORKING WITHIN THAT CONTROL.
THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IS GENERALLY A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT IS GONNA BE A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GENERALLY WOULDN'T DO A 20 YEAR MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING BECOMES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FIRMS WHO, THAT'S ALL THEY DO IS MANAGE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
THAT'S NOT, AND SO DO YOU TAKE REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS AND, AND HOW DOES HE QUALIFY BETTER THAN OTHERS IF IT'S A MUCH MORE CITY DIRECTED OPERATION? SO SHORT ANSWER IS, I THINK HE WOULD MAYBE BE OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK HIS CONCERN IS, IS WHETHER IT COULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT STILL GIVES HIM THE LEVEL OF OPERATIONAL, UH, AUTHORITY THAT HE WOULD BE, WOULD'VE BEEN SEEKING IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
WELL, I WONDER WHAT ANY OTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANY, HOW MUCH, WHAT KIND OF STANDARD PRACTICE FOR HOW MUCH CONTROL THEY HAVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAD IT SOME, A COUPLE OF INITIAL CONVERSATIONS.
I MEAN, YEAH, THE CONVERSATIONS IS IS, I MEAN, IS THEY, THEY TAKE, THEY FOLLOW WHATEVER CITY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE DIRECTED BY THE CITY.
THEY TAKE A FEE AT ONE, I THINK IT WAS 10% OF NET OR GROSS REVENUE WAS THEIR FEE.
EIGHT, EIGHT TO 10 TALKED TO MORRISTOWN.
THEIR ARRANGEMENT IS A FLAT 15,000 A MONTH MANAGEMENT FEE, I THINK.
BUT IT'S A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT.
SO, BUT ALL OF THEM ARE, OKAY.
C YOU TELL US HOW YOU WANT US TO RUN IT.
SO THE INVESTMENT WOULDN'T BE THERE FOR HIM.
OBVIOUSLY, NEITHER WOULD THERE POTENTIAL RETURN, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE INVESTMENT.
I THINK HIS ISSUE WOULD, WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN WHAT OUR SHORT CONVERSATION WAS, IS WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE STRINGS ATTACHED TO THIS TO IT FOR HIM TO MANAGE IT IN, IN SOME WAY.
UM, THAT IS, 'CAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA A HUNDRED PERCENT FINANCE IT, OBVIOUSLY YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL FINANCE IT AND THEN YOU RUN IT AND YOU TAKE ALL THE MONEY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO
YOU MIGHT CALL THE PROFITS RUN.
I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T, I'M, WELL, I JUST SAY THAT WHAT I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF WE'D BE TAKING ON OPERATIONAL RISK AND ALL THE DOWNSIDE RISK IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S THE DYNAMIC CHANGE PROBLEM OR CHANGES IN THE MARKET FOR THESE ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW? WELL, I I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ATTRACTION OF SAY WHAT THE COUNTY BROUGHT TO US WAS THAT THEY HAD THE RISK, YOU KNOW, AND WE WERE KIND OF A SOUND PARTNER.
ANYTHING WHICH APPARENTLY ISN'T LEGAL, BUT IT SHIELD US FROM THE RISK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST A, A SILENT PARTNER ESSENTIALLY.
BUT TAKING ON THE OPERATIONAL RISK, I KNOW WE ALL LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE MONEY WE'RE GONNA MAKE IN MY EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS IS THAT ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE.
AND ESPECIALLY IN SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND COUNTRY CLUBS AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DOWNSIDE RISKS ARE LEGENDARY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE MOVE FORWARD LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF, I'M SORRY, WHAT I, WHAT IDB INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WORK, IF WE MOVE FORWARD JUST TO LEARN
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SO THAT WE CAN LEARN ABOUT THAT, WHETHER WE CAN MOVE FORWARD OR NOT, WE NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT.AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALSO, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WE ALSO NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE, NEED TO BE STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF CONTROL OR IF, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO HOW, WHO CAN WE LEARN ABOUT THAT FROM? WHO COULD BE THAT EXPERT FOR US? AS FAR AS MANAGEMENT OR THE IDB? WELL, JUST LEARNING, I UNDERSTAND THE IDB COMPONENT AND WHO WOULD FIT INTO THAT AREA.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HIRE, IF WE DO DECIDE TO BUILD THIS AND WE HIRE A MANAGEMENT FIRM, THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH, UM, CONTROL AND OVERSIGHT WOULD HAVE.
WHO CAN WE LEAN ON TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE OF THAT? LIKE WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT SO THAT THEN WE CAN KNOW, SO WE CAN MAKE A KNOWLEDGEABLE DECISION.
I I WOULD ASSUME, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I WOULD ASSUME THE SAME LAWYER, SOMEONE COULD, COULD DO BOTH.
NOW THAT, THAT MAY BE A, AN INCORRECT ASSUMPTION, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMEONE VERY SKILLED IN PUBLIC FINANCE OR WHO DOES PUBLIC FINANCES, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR PRACTICE COULD DO BOTH TO SAY LIKE WHAT THAT, WHERE THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE THRESHOLD IS.
UM, AND THEN HOW, HOW WOULD THAT, THAT TO BE MY ASSUMPTION, WE WOULD HIRE THE CITY WOULD MAY PASS A RESOLUTION.
WE WOULD HIRE THAT PERSON TO DO THAT.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY MEET WITH THEM FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS.
I DON'T MEAN YOU COULD CHIME IN MEAN, HOW WOULD THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT AN INITIAL CONVERSATION LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY GET TO A POINT OF RIGHT.
SEATING $25,000 THAT WOULD EVEN, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T JUST GO HIRE 'EM AND NOT TELL YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SURE, SURE.
NOW AGAIN, IF YOU THEN MOVE FORWARD AND WANT TO ENGAGE THEM ONGOING, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY TO SET ANYTHING UP THERE ARE JUST, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST VERY WELL KNOWN AND WELL RESPECTED IN THIS COMMUNITY, IF THAT.
SO THAT ALSO WOULD INCLUDE THE, THE PBA? IT WOULD, YES.
BUT, AND IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT MANAGEMENT.
UH, IF WE JUST WENT PURE MANAGEMENT, YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT, I MEAN, WE COULD ASK THEM ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH.
BUT JUST SO WE DON'T GET TOO FAR DOWN OUR ROAD AND THEN HAVE TO BACK UP AGAIN.
SO I THINK MORE THAN, MORE THAN CALLING IT, I THINK WHAT THIS EXPERT COULD DO IS TELL US WHAT OUR LIMIT IS AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE MIXING OF THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RELATIONSHIP COULD BE.
WHICH I THINK FROM THERE WE COULD PROBABLY GLEAN WHAT THE MANAGEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD FIND NECESSARILY SOMEONE WHO WOULD SPECIFICALLY SAY, THIS IS WHAT A MANAGEMENT ARRANGEMENT SHOULD LOOK.
AND WE HIRE OUT, HIRE OUT MOWING.
AND WE HIRE OUT, UM, 'CAUSE WE WAKEFIELD AND WE HIRE OUT THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE TO HELP US MANAGE OUR, OUR BUSINESS.
SO WE KNOW KIND OF A FRAMEWORK OF THAT, JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF WE, IN THIS NEW ENDEAVOR MM-HMM.
AND THEN HAD TO PULL BACK OUT AND TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE ATTORNEY WOULD SAY, WHAT'S YOUR LIMITATIONS ON HOW MUCH CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER SOMEONE WHO MANAGES YOUR CITY FACILITY? MM-HMM.
I THINK THAT THAT, UM, PUBLIC FINANCE EXPERT COULD WEIGH IN ON WHAT THAT LIMITATION IS.
AND AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE A MANAGEMENT, BUT FROM, AND WHAT I'VE SAID THAT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, IN MY OPINION WOULD BE A COMPETITIVELY PROCURED CONTRACT GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT PERSON COULD SAY, OR THIS IS ANOTHER WAY YOU COULD DO IT, OR THIS IS AGAIN, THE LIMITS TO THE CONTROL.
YOU COULD HAVE OVER AFFIRM WHO DID THIS.
I'M IN FAVOR OF YOU REACHING OUT AND HAVING SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMEBODY TO TALK ABOUT IDB AND PBA.
AND, AND AT LEAST LET GO FROM THERE.
IF WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, IF YOU START, YOU WOULD AT LEAST GET SOME INFORMATION TO COME BACK AND TELL US.
LIKE, SO YOU NEED DIRECTION FROM SEE, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GO TALK TO SOMEBODY AND THEN TRY TO RELAY THAT BACK TO YOU.
WE WOULD SAY IT WOULD, WE WOULD BRING THAT PERSON IN TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
AND THERE WOULD BE A COST ASSOCIATED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T THINK, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION TO FIND OUT WHAT EVEN THE COST WOULD BE SO THAT YOU COULD TELL US IF WE CHOSE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE.
THIS IS ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'D HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF BALLPARK PRICE THAT WON'T EVEN BE APPROVING.
I DON'T, I DON'T FOR THEM TO, TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND THEN COME PERCENT TO YOU.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? ESTIMATE? YEAH.
SO WE ALL PROCEED SOON WITH THIS, OR THIS WEEK.
WELL, WE'LL GO TALK TO SOME ATTORNEYS AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE TALKED, WHAT, WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO AND GET THEIR INPUT AS TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THEM FOR THEM TO COME IN AND KIND OF BE, PROVIDE SOME LEGAL ADVICE AS TO THE, THE PARAMETERS UNDER WHICH ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE MIXING OF THINGS FOR THIS FACILITY CAN HAPPEN.
AND HOW ARE, I DO FEEL LIKE YOU GOTTA MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT I'M, I'M REALLY TRYING HARD TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND THE PARALLEL BETWEEN RUNNING
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A BIG RACKET CLUB AND A MOWING CONTRACTOR OR A BUILDING MAINTENANCE COMPANY.BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE THE PARALLELS THAT YOU DREW OR TO A MOWING CONTRACTOR.
I'M, I'M, WHICH IS WHY I SAID IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE GOT SOMEONE'S INPUT ON THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE SUCCESSFULLY MANAGING AN ENTREPRENEURIAL STARTUP BRACKET CLUB, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A BIG DEAL.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT IF WE WANNA BRING AN ATTORNEY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE WE CAN KEEP, KEEP INVESTIGATING.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE, UM, RESIDENTS KNOW THIS MEANS THAT THE THIRD OR 90 DAY QUIET TIME WITH PATENT IS NOW OVER ALL OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH PATENT ARE NOW OVER.
IF WE DID ANYTHING WITH PATENT, IT WOULD BE UNDER A NEW EV.
ANYTHING GOING FORWARD WITH PATENT WOULD BE UNDER SOMETHING NEW.
IF WE, IF WE CHOSE THAT, I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH COUNSEL.
I MEAN, WE HAD A LETTER AND NON-BINDING LETTER OF INTENT FOR A 90 DAY NEGOTIATION PERIOD THAT HAD AN OUTLINE OF THE TERMS OF A NEW DEAL.
AND THOSE TERMS ARE NO LONGER VALID.
SO I THINK BOTH PARTIES WOULD SAY THAT, THAT THAT'S KIND OF VOID UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS THAT EITHER REGENERATES SOME OTHER FORM OF DISCUSSIONS OR, OR DOESN'T.
'CAUSE IF, IF, IF THE TERMS WERE NOT MET, THEN THAT MEANS THAT'S DISSOLVED.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO SOMETHING NEW.