* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD [ Call to Order Roll Call Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag Election of Officers] EVENING EVERYBODY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, UH, BE WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BRENTWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION ON MONDAY, JULY 1ST, LET IT BE NOTED THAT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, AND, UM, IF WE COULD PLEASE ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER BAIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS. WE NEED A NOMINATION, A SECOND AND A VOTE FOR CHAIR, AND THEN A SEPARATE FOR VICE CHAIR. ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS? I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER DONAHUE FOR CHAIR A SECOND. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. OKAY, THANKS. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME. I REALLY DO. UH, NEXT WE NEED A MOTION FOR VICE CHAIR. AYE. NOMINATING. COMMISSIONER PITMAN FOR VICE CHAIR. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CHURCH. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. SECOND. FROM COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A STOP. SORRY. MY BAD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. PLEASURE, SIR. WELCOME TO THE TEAM. ALRIGHT, ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA. [1. June 3, 2024] UM, HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 3RD, 2024 MEETING? IT'S MOTION TO APPROVE. MAD. MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER PIPPEN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BAIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING ABSTAINING ABSTENTION FROM COMMISSIONER LUNDGREN. THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO OUR [ Consent Agenda] CONSENT AGENDA. ALL OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH TONIGHT ARE FOR, WILL BE READ AT ONE TIME AND THEN VOTED ON AS A BLOCK UNIT. IF THERE'S ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION OR IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE ONE OF THE MOTION, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO BE MOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW NOW. OKAY. WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA AS NOTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE BPC 24 5 1. A REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR THE HIGHLANDS OF BE RI SUBDIVISION LOT 61 63 30 SHADOW RIDGE COURT ZONING, OSRD, ITEM NUMBER TWO BPC 24 5 0 8. A FINAL PLAT FOR EASTMAN'S PRESERVE SUBDIVISION PHASE ONE ZONING. OSRD, ITEM NUMBER THREE BPC 24 0 6 DASH ZERO THREE. A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE CIELO SUBDIVISION. 92 27 OLD SMYRNA ROAD ZONING. A RIP. AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR BPC 24 0 6 DASH 0 0 4 A REVISED SITE PLAN, BARON OFFICE BUILDING COMMERCIAL TOWN CENTER LOT 2 5 0 2 3. HARPETH DRIVE ZONING C FOUR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED. MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER PIPPEN SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER STADNIK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. MOVING ON TO [1. BPC2405-006 Revised Site Plan - Costco, Interstate Industrial Park, Lot 1, 98 Seaboard Lane, Zoning C-3 - Applicant: Bohler Engineering, 211 Perimeter Center Parkway NE, Suite 425, Atlanta, GA 30346] OUR REGULAR AGENDA. OUR FIRST ITEM IS BPC 24 0 5 DASH ZERO SIX. A RE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR COSTCO INTERSTATE INDUSTRIAL PARK LOT 1 98 SEABOARD LANE ZONING, C3. GOOD EVENING, MR. LEHMAN. GOOD EVENING. UH, LET'S SEE. BOWLER ENGINEERING REQUEST APPROVAL OF OF A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR COSTCO. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF FOUR FUEL PUMP DISPENSERS AND THE EXPANSION OF THE FUEL PUMP CAN, UH, CANOPY TO THE EAST. THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES THE RELOCATION OF THE ATTENDANT BUILDING FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE PUMP FUEL PUMP AREA TO THE NORTH OF THE PUMPS. CURRENTLY THERE ARE EIGHT FUEL PUMP DISPENSERS WITH A TOTAL OF 16 FUELING POSITIONS. UH, THIS EDITION OF FOUR FUEL PUMP DISPENSERS WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER TO 12 DISPENSERS AND PROVIDE A TOTAL OF 24 FUELING POSITIONS. UM, YOU MAY RECALL AT THE SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022 MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT ADDED FOUR FUEL DISPENSERS AND EXPANDED THE FUEL CANOPY TO THE WEST. UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ADDS [00:05:01] THE NEW FUEL DISPENSERS AND CANOPY TO THE EAST. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN, WHICH, UH, ADDED FOUR PUMPS ON THE, THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. AND THE CURRENT PLAN, UH, ADDS FOUR PUMPS TO THE EASTERN SIDE. UM, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED AND SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND REVIEWED BY OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, GREG. JUDY, UH, GREG ACCEPTED THE FINDINGS OF THE TIS AND INDICATED THAT THE METHODO METHODOLOGY USED WAS APPROPRIATE. UH, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STUDY BEYOND WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY AND OR IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ON THE SITE PLAN. UM, OVERALL, THE, THE STUDY INDICATED THAT, UH, TRIP GENERATION INCREASES SOME, BUT THE QUEUING DECREASES WITH THE ADDITIONAL PUMPS. UH, THE STUDY, SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS OF THE STUDY WERE THAT WITH THE MEMBERSHIP, UH, OF COSTCO MEMBERSHIP DOESN'T CHANGE. THEREFORE THE GENERAL DEMAND WON'T CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY AND, UM, WITHOUT THE DEMAND INCREASING ADDITIONAL PUMPS WILL REDUCE THE THE WAIT TIME. SO THOSE WERE SORT OF THE, THE KEY FINDINGS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. AND WITH THAT, STAFF REQUESTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN. SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT. UH, GREG JUDY IS HERE TONIGHT IS, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, DETAILED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PROJECT? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS NATHAN FUSS. I'M ON BEHALF OF BOWLER ENGINEERING. ALSO HERE WITH NICK JOSE AND RYAN CUNNINGHAM. UM, ON BEHALF OF COSTCO AND KITSON, WHO, UH, PREPARED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, UM, AS MR. LEHMAN, UM, EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL IS, IS TO ADD, UH, FOUR PUMPS, EIGHT FUELING POSITIONS ON THE ENTRANCE SIDE OF THE EXISTING CANOPY. UM, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO IMPROVE THE, UH, THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND DECREASE THE WAIT TIMES. AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU ACCEPT THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL HERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. WE'LL START AT DIS END. COMMISSIONER STADNIK, WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO PUT THE FOUR, UM, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHEN THE LAST PROPOSAL WAS APPROVED THE WAY IT WAS? DO I NEED THIS ONE IN? UH, NO, SIR. JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND I I I GO TO A LOT OF THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT, YOU WANNA ASK THAT. UH, NICK TOAY. I AM THE MANAGER OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE EASTERN DIVISION FOR COSTCO. UM, KIND OF BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON THAT AND WHICH WILL TIE INTO ANSWERING, UH, YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM. UM, 72% OF COSTCO'S PROFITS COME FROM THE MEMBERS. OUR MEMBERSHIP. UM, THIS IS NOT AN EFFORT TO ADD MORE GAS FOR THE SAKE OF IT BEING A PROFIT CENTER. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY AREN'T THAT MUCH. IT'S ABOUT OUR MEMBERS AND OUR MEMBERS EXPERIENCES. AND SO BY DOING THAT, UH, YOU RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIPS FOR THOSE OF THAT YOU ARE MEMBERS, UM, WHICH IS THE BASE OF OUR PROFITS. PART OF THAT MEMBER EXPERIENCE IS, I CAN TELL YOU PARKING IS SACROSANCT WITHIN THE COSTCO ENVIRONMENT. UM, I GO TO HEARINGS ALL OVER AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE OVER PARKED BY, YOU KNOW, ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE OVER PARKED AND EVERYBODY ON SAID, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OVER PARKED. BUT, UM, PARKING IS SACROSANCT. UH, THAT PLAN WHICH WAS APPROVED WOULD REMOVE 24 PARKING SPACES, UM, FROM, FROM THE PARKING LOT. UM, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, MEMBERSHIP, UH, LEADERSHIP, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SAY IT IS, UM, THE LOSS OF 24 PARKING SPACES, UM, IS MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN NOT ADDING MORE GAS DISPENSERS TO THE SITE. UM, AND THAT IS FROM OPERATIONS FROM OUR WAREHOUSE, UM, UP TO OUR CEO. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE INITIALLY HAD THAT. WE LOOKED AT EVERY MYRIAD OF WAYS. I WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES ON DOING THESE AND DOING THEM RIGHT, UH, FOR THE FLOWS, FOR THE MEMBER EXPERIENCES FOR THE WAREHOUSE. AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN DO THINGS BETTER OR DIFFERENTLY WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS, WE ABSOLUTELY, UH, DO THAT. UM, IS THIS THE MOST IDEAL? NO, IT'S NOT. YOU KNOW, I'LL COME RIGHT OUT WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT. I IMAGINE MANY OF YOU ARE ARE MEMBERS THERE. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT NOW IS IT BACKS INTO THE DRIVE LANE OUT TO SEABORN LANE. UM, WE HAVE RYAN CUNNINGHAM WITH, UH, KITSON ASSOCIATES, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. UM, AND I CAN ALSO SAY THIS WITH CONFIDENCE. UM, THIS WILL TAKE IT FROM, UM, POTENTIALLY GOING INTO THE DRIVE LANE BUT NOT GOING ONTO SEABOARD LANE. SO, UM, WE, WE DON'T, WE WILL REDUCE THAT. [00:10:01] UM, PART OF THIS IS THAT SOMETIMES IT CAN SEEM COUNTERINTUITIVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ADDING MORE GAS AND YET YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. UM, WE ARE DOING THIS ALL OVER OUR PORTFOLIO AND PART OF THAT IS BY DOING THE EXPANSION. UM, WE DO GET MEMBERS THROUGH QUICKER, UM, THE SPACING THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THE NEW PUMPS THERE. UM, YOU'RE SPACED OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. UM, SO MEMBERS ARE MORE INCLINED. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THEY'RE MORE INCLINED TO WANT TO DRIVE IN FRONT OF THE NEXT ONE. I WAS VIEWING IT TODAY. YOU SEE SOME CARS THAT WILL PULL UP IN FRONT. CARS ARE GETTING LARGER. UM, SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT NOT WANNA MAKE THAT MOVE. UM, BY ADDING THOSE THREE LANES, WE, WE DO THE SPACING OUT MORE SO THAT PEOPLE BECOME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. ANOTHER FEATURE THAT WE ADD, AND THIS IS ACROSS OUR PORTFOLIO, IT'S KIND OF THE, UH, THE GO NO GO. IT'S A, A GREEN AND RED AND SO ON THE COLUMNS WHILE YOU'RE WAITING, UM, THEY HAVE RED AND GREEN FLASHING. SO IF THE SPACE AHEAD IS, IS OPEN FOR YOU, THERE'LL BE A GREEN LIGHT THERE. AND SO YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU CAN PULL UP IN THERE. AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE MEMBERS IN QUICKER AND QUICKER BY DOING THAT. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS TO GET USED TO THAT. YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAVORITE WAY OF GETTING IN OR GETTING OUT OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE THE BEST SHORTCUT IS. UM, BUT, BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY WITH THIS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF HOW THE LAYOUT IS NOW, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THEY ARE SITTING, WHERE MEMBERS ARE SITTING AND QUEUING RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING GAS IN THAT SAME AREA. SO WHEREAS RATHER BEFORE THEY WOULD BE SITTING IN THAT AREA QUEUING, THEY'LL BE GETTING GAS WHERE THEY WOULD BE SITTING PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT AND THAT IS WHY WE, UM, WE LOOKED AT IT AND WHY WE WENT WITH THIS OPTION TO REDUCE THE PARKING. SO THE OH, GOOD. COMMISSIONER STANNICK. GOOD. SO THE RES MAIN REASON YOU'RE ADDING THE FOUR PUMPS IS TO HELP THE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION ABSOLUTELY BE LESS Q TIME THE MEMBER EXPERIENCE, THE LESS Q TIME, GET THEM FOR YOU MORE EFFICIENTLY. I THINK WE ALL KNOW YOU GO THERE AND YOU'RE LIKE, AM I GONNA GET GASED TODAY? AM I NOT? BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S BACKED UP. WE DO THESE ALL OVER, ALL OVER OUR PORTFOLIO AND THAT IS THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FOUND. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MEMBER EXPERIENCE. CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. UM, THE KITSON REPORT. MM-HMM THE CONCLUSION, UM, I FOUND IT CONFUSING, SO I'M GONNA READ IT. AND SO TO THAT, UH, RYAN IS OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND, UH, I I, I KNOW ENOUGH TO HURT ME. UM, FAIR ENOUGH. AND SO HE, HE WOULD BE THE ONE TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU. SO DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I'LL STEP ASIDE AND LET HIM ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. OKAY. SO IN THE CONCLUSION, THE YOU, THERE'S THE FIRST SENTENCE IS BRENTWOOD COSTCO GASOLINE, UM, FUEL STATION EXPANSIONS ANTICIPATED TO REDUCE THE CUES. THE SECOND STATEMENT IS THE MODEST ADDITION OF FOUR FUELING POSITIONS TO THE ORIGINAL GAS STATION DID NOT ABSORB THE HIGH LEVELS OF LATENT DEMAND AT THIS HIGH ACTIVITY LOCATION AS WAS DETERMINED THROUGH PROACTIVE MONITORING BY COSTCO. AND THEN IT SAYS BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 50% PROCESSING CAPACITY BY EXPANDING TO 24 FUELING STATIONS, THIS EXPANSION WILL GREATLY IMPROVE CONDITIONS ON THE SITE AND ENSURE MORE EFFICIENT PROCESSING AND VEHICLE SHORTER WAIT TIMES, SHORTER CUES, AND LESS IDLING TIME. SO TO ME, THOSE TWO SENTENCES CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CONCLUDE. THE, THE SECOND SENTENCE ABOUT THE MODEST EDITION OF FOUR FUELING POSITIONS I IS A REFERENCE TO THE ORIGINAL GAS EXPANSION THAT HAPPENED SOME YEARS AGO. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S, I CAN SEE WHY THAT'S CONFUSING . OKAY. FOR SURE. IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT PROPOSED PROJECT. OKAY. YEAH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. I MEAN, SORRY, THAT'S, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU LOSE 24 SPOTS THE OTHER WAY. AND I GUESS, I MEAN, I SEE YOU WOULD LOSE THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD. BUT IT SHOWS YOU AND IF YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE THROUGH, IF YOU PUT 'EM ON THE WEST SIDE, IT JUST, TO ME IT JUST MAKES COMMON SENSE. YOU'LL GET 'EM OFF OF, YOU KNOW, OFF OF SEABOARD LANE, WHICH IS OUR MAIN CONCERN. MY MAIN CONCERN UP THERE. AND IF YOU WERE ON THAT SIDE OVER THERE, I SEE YOU'D LOSE SOME PARKING SPOTS UP THERE. THAT'S AS FAR, ALMOST AS FAR AWAY AS YOU CAN GET FROM THE, FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME WHY, AGAIN, WHY THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE WEST SIDE? YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN? YEAH, MAYBE YOU WANNA GO BACK A FEW? YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE PREVIOUS PLAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK? APPROVED? ALRIGHT. DO YOU NEED A SURE. [00:15:02] SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING LOSS IS OVER HERE, AS NICK WAS, UM, MENTIONING EARLIER, DUE TO THE DUE, THE EXPANSION AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, LENGTH HERE WE'VE GOT, NOW WE HAVE 28 FEET, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ADDITIONAL 28 FEET AND THEN WE HAVE 45 FEET HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LARGER VEHICLES TO MAKE THAT TURN. SO YOU LOSE BETWEEN, THERE'S PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR SPACES UP THERE, AND THEN A GOOD 15 HERE. AND WE ALSO LOSE THESE SPACES DOWN HERE. SO THAT WHY, WHY DO YOU LOSE 'EM DOWN THERE? YEAH, WE LOSE 'EM DOWN THERE FOR, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THE TRUCKS WHEN THEY COME THROUGH HERE, A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM. SO SPEAK TO THAT. SO AGAIN, PART OF THE, YOU, YOU'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE, YOU'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE TRUCKS LOSS ON THE GAS PUMP LOSS. I MEAN, I, TO ME THAT WAS CONFUSING AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE MORE CLEAR THERE. YEAH. AND, AND THE, THE TRUCK DELIVERY IS INCORPORATED INTO OUR DESIGNS. UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, GOING TO THAT EFFICIENCY AND THE MEMBER EXPERIENCE IS WE SET THEM UP IN A WAY TO NOT IMPACT, UH, MEMBERS GETTING GAS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE REFUELING TWO TIMES A DAY, SOMETIMES THREE TIMES A DAY. UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE THAT FUEL COMING THROUGH THERE, SO WHEN IT GOES IN THE TOTALITY OF THE DESIGN OF THINGS, OF WHERE THE TANK'S GONNA BE, WHERE IS THE FUEL DUMP OFF GONNA BE? AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE PUSHING IT OUT TO LOSE ADDITIONAL PARKING. YEAH. I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT I, I'VE SAT ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE. WE ASKED FOR THAT TIME BEFORE AND COSTCO CAME AND SAID, LOOK, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE OUT THERE. WE GOT STORAGE EVERYWHERE. WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE THE TRUCK THING. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF FUNNY THAT AT THAT POINT YOU WERE VERY SMART AND YOU KNEW EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO KNOW. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE NEED TO MOVE THE TRUCK THING IS WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE SAID. AND, AND I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADVERSARIAL WITH THAT. WHAT, WHAT TIMEFRAME AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? PROBABLY 22. 22. 22? YEAH, 22. SO I CAN SAY, UM, OUR NEW CEO RON BAKRIS CAME IN IN JANUARY. UM, NEW LEADERSHIP COMES IN. THEY, YOU KNOW, THE EDICTS COME FROM, FROM UPON HIGH AS WELL. UM, CERTAIN OTHER LEVELS OF SENIOR LEADERSHIP COME, UM, I CAN DISCLOSE. WE WERE, YOU KNOW, I, WE WORKED TOGETHER A PACKAGE FOR EAST JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA TO BRING NEW GAS IN. UM, AND WE HAD DONE A LOT OF WORK. THE WAREHOUSE MANAGERS WANTED OPERATIONS, WANTED IT, WE WERE GONNA LOSE 20 PARKING PLACES. OUR CEO SAID, NO, WE'RE, THAT'S TOO MANY PARKING SPACES. AND SO, UM, THAT IS AN EXECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, DECISION AND ONE THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW AS HE STEWARDS OUR COMPANY COMMISSIONER. I'M, I'M COMMISSIONER LANGFORD. NICK, IS IT RIGHT? YES, SIR. NICK, CAN YOU TELL ME, YOU SAID YOU'VE DONE THIS ALL OVER THE, THE COSTCO NETWORK. UH, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT'S BEEN THE PERCENT FUEL INCREASE IN SALES WHEN YOU'VE DONE THIS? I THINK WE ARE AT ABOUT 2.4. I I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP. I DO THE ROI FROM OUR GAS OPS INCLUDES IT IN THE PACKAGE I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK A ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. THAT ALSO DOES GO INTO WHEN WE DO OUR ROIS, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE FOR US TO DO IT. THERE'S A LOT OF MATRIXES THAT ALSO GO IN THERE. UM, I, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE IT READILY AVAILABLE. WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT FOR YOU. UM, WE HAVE OUR CONSTRAINED REPORTS AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR FUEL CAPACITY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CONSTRAINT FROM PEOPLE BACKING UP. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE EACH PUMP. HOW MUCH IS IT PUMPING AT CAPACITY? UM, JURISDICTIONALLY, I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO IT AND MISSPEAK TO THAT NUMBER. AND AGAIN, WELL, I, I, YEAH, WITHOUT THE DETAILS, I SUSPECT THAT IT'S, UH, A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT OR YOU WOULDN'T PROBABLY DO IT. WELL, YOU KNOW, YES AND NO. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE MEMBER EXPERIENCE. SO IF WE HAVE ONE WHERE WE ARE AT A 98 TO 99% CONSTRAINED, UM, OR SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT THEY'RE NOT AT A CONSTRAINT, BUT OUR PUMPS ARE, ARE GENERATING HIGHER AND WE HAVE THOSE BACKUPS ON THERE, UM, THEY, THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND IT WORKS ITS WAY UP AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT. OKAY. UM, SO IT'S NOT A PURELY, THESE ARE NOT TRUE PROFIT CENTERS FOR US. OKAY. AND THE GUESS, AND THE INTENTION YOU SAID IS TO MAKE SURE YOU PRESERVE PARKING SPACES. HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY DONE OF THIS PARTICULAR COSTCO REGARDING THE NUMBER OF OPEN SPACES AT PEAK SHOPPING PERIODS? MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING SPACES OUT ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT, PROBABLY MORE THAN 24. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S EVER BEEN AN ASSESSMENT DONE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ARE OUT OF PARKING SPACES WITH THE LOSS OF 24? I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO THE STUDY. WE DO HAVE THE WAREHOUSE MANAGER, UH, HERE, HE CAME WITH US WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THOSE SITE OPERATIONS. SO, UH, HELLO ALL. YOLANDA , NEW GM OVER AT, UH, AT BRENTWOOD. I JUST CAME FROM THE WEST NASHVILLE LOCATION, AND WHILE I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFIC STITE SITE STUDIES, I CAN LET YOU KNOW THAT AT WEST NASHVILLE, WE HAD CLOSE [00:20:01] TO 800 PARKING SPOTS. AND DURING THE HOLIDAYS WE WOULD OFTEN, UM, RUN OUT OF PARKING SPOTS. MY WIFE HAS ALWAYS SHOPPED AT THE BRENTWOOD LOCATION, AND I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND IN SHOPPING. THIS IS, I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE FOR FOUR MONTHS, WHERE DURING THE HOLIDAYS, ESPECIALLY, UH, THANKSGIVING, UH, THROUGH CHRISTMAS AND EVEN NEW YEAR'S WHERE WE, WE HAVE NO SPOTS AVAILABLE TO THE POINT WHERE OUR MEMBERS ARE BLOCKING OUR TRUCKS FROM GETTING IN. AND WE'VE HAD TO HAVE OUR MANAGERS PUT UP CONES AND PALLETS TO, TO STOP THEM FROM ENTERING THE DOCK AREA, WHICH JUST IMPEDES OUR FLOW OF BUSINESS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH 14 TO 15 TRUCKS, UH, A A DAY, AND THAT IMPEDIMENT, WE JUST, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT. SO LOSING 24 SPOTS, WHILE I DON'T KNOW ALL THE STUDIES THAT THESE SMART GENTLEMEN KNOW, I, I KNOW I CANNOT OPERATE WITH 24 LESS SPOTS. AND THAT'S JUST AS, AS FRANK AS I CAN BE. I, IT, IT CAN'T HAPPEN. I CAN'T HAVE MEMBER COMPLAINTS ASKING ME. I CAN'T PARK ANYWHERE. WE'VE EVEN HAD, UH, I'VE SEEN CARS PULL UP ON THE CURBS ON THE GRASS BY THE BANK ON, I GUESS, UH, OPPOSITE OF, OF THE GAS STATION, THAT NORTHEAST AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE. SO YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THAT LOT IS FULL? YES, SIR. ESPECIALLY ON SATURDAYS HOLIDAY WEEKENDS AND DEFINITELY DURING THE CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING HOLIDAYS. OKAY. AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION FOR NICK. UM, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS REPORT THAT WE WERE JUST GIVEN WITH THE DIAGRAMS OF BEFORE AND AFTER, IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS TO BE TO SCALE, WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT CENTER IN THE, IN, IN THE CENTER COLUMN, IF YOU WILL, IS THE SAME LENGTH AS THE TWO END SPOTS WILL BE. SO YOU'RE SAYING HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEING WIDENED OUT VERSUS THE EXISTING YEAH, I THINK, UH, OUR STANDARDS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT 28 FEET. 28 FEET. SO CURRENTLY WE'RE AT, IT'S, IT'S A NEGLIGIBLE SCALE. I THINK WE'RE AT WHAT ABOUT 25, 26, 20, 24, 25. I THINK IT WAS CLOSER TO THAT. AND WE'RE GOING TO 28. SO THAT WAS WHY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ON THE SCALE THAT IT LOOKED, DOESN'T, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THE SAME SPACING. YEAH. UM, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA PICK UP ABOUT THREE FEET, WHICH AGAIN, IF YOU'RE IN YOUR CAR LOOKING AT THAT WAY, THREE FEET IS, IS, IS QUITE A BIT. UM, SO WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER EXPANSIONS THAT YOU'VE DONE SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, IN, IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, IT'S CHALLENGING ENOUGH TO COME AROUND IN THAT CENTER LANE AND THEN BACK INTO THE SECOND OR THE FRONT SPOT. YEAH. NOW YOU PUT ONE IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU ARE REQUIRING SOMEONE TO PARALLEL PARK IN THERE. UH, HAVE YOU HAD ANY TRAFFIC INCIDENTS, SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO THAT? UH, I MEAN, NOT OF ANY OF A CONCERN TO WHERE, UH, IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, IT BECOMES ANYTHING REGULAR, RIGHT? LIKE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY, AGAIN, THE ONE-OFFS OR JUST THINGS HAPPEN, BUT AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE DO AS A, YOU KNOW, AS THE RESULT OF THE DESIGN, NO, THAT HAS NOT BEEN, UH, OUR EXPERIENCE. UM, TO GO BACK TO 1.2 ABOUT, UM, THE 24 AND MAYBE AGAIN, EVERYONE BEING MEMBER OR MANY PEOPLE, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE'S A MEMBER, BUT MANY PEOPLE BEING MEMBERS. UM, AND, AND YOU MIGHT SAY, YEAH, I SEE THOSE OPEN ALL THE TIME. YOU KNOW, TO ANA'S POINT, THE HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS ARE, ARE, AND AGAIN, KIND OF HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE AS WELL. WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION, NO CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS DURING THE HOLIDAYS AT ANY COSTCO'S NATIONWIDE. UH, VACATION IS PUT ON HOLD AT COSTCO NATIONWIDE, UH, FOR WAREHOUSE WORKERS AS WELL AS FOR CORPORATE. UH, BECAUSE IF THE WAREHOUSE IS WORKING, CORPORATE IS WORKING AS WELL. HOLIDAYS ARE, AGAIN, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 24 THAT MIGHT NOT GET USED DURING, DURING THE WEEKENDS OR YOU MIGHT SEE THOSE OPEN. THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY USED, UM, IN THE HOLIDAYS. AND AS A NECESSITY FOR THAT. FINAL QUESTION, IF I MIGHT, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS GOES FORWARD AND WE LEARN THAT THROUGH EXPERIENCE, THERE IS TRAFFIC BACKUP OUT ONTO SEABOARD LANE AND CONGESTION IN THAT ENTRANCE, WHAT'S THE BACKUP POSITION? WHAT'S THEN DONE? SO, UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, TALKING HYPOTHETICALS AND, AND THE WHAT IFS, I CAN TELL YOU, I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE, UM, FROM EXPERIENCE FROM DESIGN. I, I JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE. UM, AGAIN, CAN HAVE ROLANDO THE GAS AND WE WORK WITH THE AS OPS, THE WAREHOUSE HAS AN SOP, THEY HAVE PROCEDURES FOR WHERE THINGS START WHEN IF THEY START TO GET BACKED UP, WHAT THOSE PROCEDURES ARE TO KEEP THAT FROM COMING OFF, GOING OFF TO, UH, TO SEABOARD LANE. SO I'LL LET MILANO SPEAK TO THE WAREHOUSE OPERATIONS FOR THAT. GREAT QUESTION. SO WE HAVE THREE KIND OF STEPS, IF YOU WILL. THE FIRST WOULD BE TO GET ADDITIONAL HELP. A LOT OF TIMES CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT SETUP, AS THE MEMBERS COME IN THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE, UH, THEY CAN'T SEE THE FURTHER LANES AND WE HAVE TO DIRECT THEM DOWN. YEP. SO GETTING A SECOND ATTENDANT OUT THERE, UH, INSTANTLY WITH A, WITH A RADIO CALL TO THE WAREHOUSE, WE'LL GET A SECOND EMPLOYEE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AND PULL CARS CLOSER TOGETHER TO AVOID THAT. UH, THE SECOND STEP WOULD [00:25:01] BE TO, UM, TO GET SOME CONES. AND BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO GO ACROSS A LOT, UH, WHEN WE DID OUR LAST EXPANSION, UM, MY WIFE AND I WOULD, WOULD, WOULD GO SHOP THERE, EVEN THOUGH I SHOULDN'T SHOP THERE 'CAUSE I BELONGED TO THE WEST NASHVILLE LOCATION, BUT WE DID, UH, THEY, WE WOULD PUT CONES AT BRENTWOOD TO EXTEND THE QUEUING COMING THE OTHER WAY SO WE CAN GET, UH, UH, A, A CERTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW TO, TO THE AREA. SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO GREATEST THINGS THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE ANY CARS OVERFLOWING ONTO, UH, BAKERS BRIDGE OR SEABOARD LANE. SEABOARD LANE, EXCUSE ME. SORRY. CONTINUING DOWN THE END. COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. UH, MR. TOSAY. SO YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED YOU'VE GOT A THROUGHPUT PROBLEM, OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE COME TWO, THREE YEARS AGO TO GET THE EXPANSION THEN, AND YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE TO GET THE EXPANSION TODAY, AS I SEE IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS OF A TRAFFIC ISSUE, A BACKUP ISSUE INTO SEABOARD LANE WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EXPANSION AS YOU SEE IT. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING LOSS. ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULDN'T SOLVE YOUR THROUGHPUT PROBLEM IF WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE NEW REQUEST TODAY? I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE QUESTION IS WHY YOU HAVE AN APPROVED PLAN, WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS GO TO THE APPROVED PLAN? AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS PLAN? UM, TACTFULLY WE WOULD NOT PROCEED WITH IT. SO, UM, WE HAVE THE ISSUES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THERE NOT IDEAL. WE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP TO MITIGATE IT SOME. UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT, AGAIN, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR DIRECTORATES AND OUR OPERATIONS, WHAT WE CAN DO. SO THEN FOR ME, IF IT COMES DOWN TO YOU AND MR. FUSS, YOU KNOW, CONVINCE ME THAT ADDING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL PUMPS WILL SOLVE THE THROUGHPUT ISSUE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BACK UP INTO, INTO SEABOARD LANE. I KNOW WHAT I TRY TO GET GAS THERE IF IT THE LINE'S TOO LONG, I JUST DON'T GET GAS. YEP, EXACTLY. UH, BUT IF, IF THE THROUGHPUT'S GOING AND PEOPLE THAT WILL CREATE MORE DEMAND, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WILL QUEUE. SO I'M NOT CONVINCED THE QUEUING PROBLEM'S GONNA BE SOLVED. YOU, AND, AND I HEAR YOU WITH THAT, AND WE ABSOLUTELY, WE GO THROUGH THAT AND AGAIN, AND WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A MEMBER BASED, SO IT'S NOT PEOPLE COMING OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE STREET WHO SEES THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER IN THERE IN ORDER TO GET IT. ABSOLUTELY. PEOPLE WILL PASS ON IT. UM, IF IT'S TOO, IF IT'S TOO LONG OR I'M NOT GONNA DEAL WITH IT, THAT DEALS WITH SOME OF THEM. UM, AND AGAIN, HOW I SAID THE QUEUING, WHERE THE GAS PUMPS ARE GONNA BE, WHERE THE EXPANDED ONES ARE GONNA BE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS THERE REGARDLESS, QUEUING AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS THAT ARE QUEUING AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE, OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS THAT ARE GETTING GAS AND REFUELING QUICKER AND MOVING OUT TO MOVING THEM THROUGH THE MITIGATION FACTORS THAT WE WILL PUT IN PLACE TO, IF THEY START GOING OVER TO SEABORNE LANE, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL, THAT'S AN ACTIVE MEASURE THAT, THAT WE WILL TAKE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, THE WAREHOUSES HAVE HAVE THE LEEWAY TO, TO RUN THE WAREHOUSES THAT THEY SEE FIT. SO, UM, TO CONVINCE YOU I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, I SHOP THERE, YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME ALL THIS STUFF. I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I CAN TELL YOU FROM HAVING DONE THIS A LOT, THESE ARE VERY SMART INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, WHO HELP DESIGN THESE AND DO THESE STUDIES. UM, THE DATA IS NOT JUICED OR, OR MASSAGED TO, YOU KNOW, HOW IT IS. IT IS WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTS, AND THAT IS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH IT. UM, WE ASK THEM, TELL US WHAT IT IS, SHOW US WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONERS, IN FRONT OF BOARDS TELLING THEM ONE THING. AND THEN THAT NOT HAVING BE THE CASE. HOW MANY OTHER LOCATIONS HAVE THESE, ARE THESE NEW STANDARDS, THESE WIDER DEPTHS BETWEEN THE GAS PUMPS? YES, THEY'VE BECOME OUR NEW STANDARDS. AND TO YOUR, UH, QUESTION, WE, UM, I CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT PROBABLY 30 GAS EXPANSIONS ON THE EAST COAST CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, UM, OF RANGES OF ALL TYPE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MID, I JUST HANDLE THE EAST COAST, WHICH IS MAINE TO FLORIDA. WE HAVE THE MIDWEST, WE HAVE TEXAS, AND WE HAVE CALIFORNIA. AND THIS IS, AGAIN, GOING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING THEM, AND MOUNT JULIET AND HENDERSONVILLE LOCATIONS BOTH OPENED UP WITH A THREE DEPTH PUMP. UH, AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY WELL. I WAS THERE FOR THEIR GRAND OPENING, UM, AND, AND THEY SEEMED FLOWING. CAN YOU ATTEST TO FASTER THROUGHPUT TIMES? ABSOLUTELY. A A ABSOLUTELY. AND YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, AS PART OF BEFORE AND AFTER STUDIES TRANSACTION DATA. SO WE GET THE TRANSACTION DATA FROM THE PUMPS. WE KNOW HOW MANY TRANSACTIONS ARE OCCURRING EACH HOUR AT EACH PUMP. UM, WHEN YOU [00:30:01] GO FROM TWO DEEP TO THREE DEEP, YOU'RE SEEING STILL A CONSISTENT, ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF MINUTE AVERAGE PUMP TIME. BUT NOW YOU'RE SEEING IT TIMES THREE INSTEAD OF TIMES TWO FOR EACH LANE. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING A, A SLOW DOWN BECAUSE IT'S THREE WIDE OR THREE DEEP. YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAINTAINING THAT, THAT SAME EFFICIENCY, BUT YOU'RE INCREASING IT BY 50%. AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION. IT'S GONNA BE FOR MR. FUSS. SO YOUR STUDIES, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING IT IS FASTER THROUGHPUT TIMES, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA CAUSE ADDITIONAL QUEUING OUT TO SEABOARD LANE, THAT IS IT AS IT EXISTS IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. HE RUNS OUR TRAFFIC, YEAH, YEAH. ENGINEER. SO YEAH, ALSO WITH THESE BEFORE AND AFTER STUDIES, WE LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF TRIPS COMING THROUGH THE GAS STATION AND THEN MAXIMUM QUEUE OVER THOSE PEAK TIMES, RIGHT? SO OUR EXPECTATION, AND WE PUT IN THE REPORT WAS THAT WE EXPECT TRIP GENERATION TO INCREASE, UH, TO SOME DEGREE PROBABLY BETWEEN 26 AND 29%, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT FRIDAY OR SATURDAY. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT WITH THAT INCREASE, LIKE DESPITE THAT INCREASE IN TRIP GENERATION, UH, WE HAVE SEEN PEAK HOUR QUEUING REDUCE 35 TO 50%. SO IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, SIX VEHICLES QUEUED, YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, FOUR TO FIVE VEHICLES QUEUED NOW. RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SERVING MORE TRAFFIC OR SERVING MORE MEMBERS, SERVING MORE VEHICLES. BUT BECAUSE IT'S DOING IT SO MUCH, SO EFFICIENTLY, IT TAKES CARE OF THAT QUEUED THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE PEAK PERIODS, IT'S ABLE TO HANDLE THEM MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY AND ACTIVELY THAN WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CHURCH. YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE IN THAT, IN THAT ALLEN SENSOR UTILITY? I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE VENT TANK, THE VENT STACKS FOR THE PUMPS. SO THERE, OR FOR THE, FOR THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT, THAT ONE AREA RIGHT THERE IS, IS WHAT IS CAUSING SOME OF THE PROBLEM RIGHT. WHEN I'VE BEEN OVER THERE, BECAUSE CARS THAT ARE TRYING TO TURN IN, IF THEY'RE CUED RIGHT THERE, CARS CAN'T GET INTO THESE SPACES OVER HERE. AND THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS BACKING ALL THE WAY UP HERE. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY TO MOVE ANY OF THIS AND STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT SO THAT YOUR QUEUES CAN ALL BE IN A STRAIGHT LINE COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD? I DON'T THINK SO. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE, WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY THAT, UM, DESIGNED THOSE, UH, VENT STACKS, BUT THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS AREN'T MOVING. THEY'RE STAYING IN PLACE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE. OKAY. THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE THEN IS, INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE EAST, DID YOU CONSIDER GOING TO THE NORTH? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. UM, BUT YOU DO GET INTO SETBACK CONCERNS IF YOU GO TOO FAR NORTH. WELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A SETBACK RIGHT THERE, AND IT'S CLOSER HERE TO HERE THAN IT IS HERE TO HERE. BUT THEN THAT WOULD SHIFT AS WELL. I, I THINK THAT IF, IF WE SHIFTED ANOTHER DISPENSER TO THE NORTH, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD 50 OR MAYBE THE 40 FEET, 40 OR 50 FEET THAT WE WOULD SHIFT NORTH, WOULD THAT THERE IS A SETBACK OFF OF SEABOARD LANE? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT I THINK THEY WERE, THEY WERE GETTING NEAR IT WITH WHEN THEY MOVED THE, THE, THE ATTENDANT BUILDING TO THE NORTH. THEY WERE GETTING CLOSE TO IT. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE. UH, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE MEETING THEIR SETBACK, THEY WERE INSIDE THE SETBACKS, BUT THEY WERE, UH, NOT ABLE TO MOVE IT TOO MUCH FURTHER TO THE NORTH. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL GREEN SPACE AS WELL. THERE'S SOME PHOTO. OKAY. MOVE DOWN TO THIS END. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER STADNIK AND THEN WE'LL COME THIS WAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TUCCI, HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK OR DAY DO YOU ACTUALLY FILL, FILL UP THAT TANK THAT'S THERE? YOU'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE GASOLINE TANK, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO HOW OFTEN DO YOU CHANGE THAT OR FILL IT UP? WHAT ARE WE DOING? TWICE A WEEK? TWICE A DAY ON AVERAGE? YES SIR. ABOUT TWICE. TWO TRUCKLOADS A DAY. TWICE A DAY. YES SIR. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS INCREASE? IS IT GONNA GO UP TO THREE? IS IT GONNA GO UP TO FOUR? UH, WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT GO UP TO THREE. WE GENERALLY SEE IT, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE TRUCKS THAT ALSO GOES INTO OUR DESIGN OF THE FUELING LANE, IS THAT WE MAKE IT SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE SIZES OF TRUCKS. AND SO THEN BASED UPON WHAT THE, WHAT THE ACTUAL USAGE IS, THEY CAN USE A BIGGER TRUCK IF NEED BE, OR A SMALLER TRUCK. BUT THEY'RE ALL DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO BASED UPON THOSE NEEDS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE MEGA ONES THAT HAVE LIKE 36, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET THREE TIMES A DAY. BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT KEEPING THAT, THAT TWICE A DAY. OKAY. AS A CUSTOMER AT COSTCO, HOW LONG IS THIS CONSTRUCTION GONNA TAKE? UH, GENERALLY, UH, THESE ARE RUNNING BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX MONTHS. AND WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START? UH, IT DEPENDS ON YOU GUYS. UH, IT, IT IS SIX [00:35:01] MONTHS THOUGH. YOU FIGURE, UH, UH, APPRO YES. APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN, UH, SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THIS PART GOES INTO IT, UM, I'LL LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR PHASING PLAN OF THIS ONE. I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UH, WE MINIMIZE THE SHUTDOWN TIME, UM, FOR THIS, WHEN WE DO THESE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I CAN, AND I DON'T HAVE THE PHASING PLAN FOR THIS ONE, UH, PARTICULAR BECAUSE PART OF THIS IS YOU GUYS HAVE TO APPROVE US FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD ON THESE, UM, TO KIND OF GET TO THAT PLACE OF THOSE PHASING PLANS. UM, GENERALLY WE LIKE TO MINIMIZE IT TO WHERE IT'S USUALLY ABOUT TWO TO THREE DAYS TOPS FROM SWITCHING OVER FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. UH, SOMETIMES BASED UPON OTHER FACTORS, UM, THERE CAN BE A SHUTDOWN OF, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. BUT SAY, SAY YOU CAN DO IT IN FOUR MONTHS, BUT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A 21 DAY SHUTDOWN, OR YOU CAN DO IT IN SIX MONTHS AND DO A FIVE DAY SHUTDOWN. WE PAY TO DO THE SIX MONTHS. SO GENERALLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, THEY AVERAGE ABOUT SIX MONTHS. UM, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE HELD. I, I, I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, KEEPING MY INTEGRITY INTACT DOING SO. UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, AGAIN, WITH OUR SHUTDOWNS NOW IN THE SOUTH, WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THAT, UH, WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION, UM, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN WE CAN UP NORTH. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE OUR SHUTDOWN PERIOD, WHICH STARTS ONE NOVEMBER THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. SO ANYTHING THAT GOES ON, PROJECTS HAVE TO BE WRAPPED UP. AND GENERALLY ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE NOVEMBER ONE IS WHEN THEY NEED TO BE WRAPPED UP. THERE'S A, A FULL CONSTRUCTION HALT. AND THEN FOR GAS STATIONS, NORMALLY IN THE, THE NORTHEAST OR ABOVE, UH, WE'RE GENERALLY SPRINGTIME FLORIDA, DEPENDING UPON WHEN WE HAVE OUR PERMITS. UH, AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO GO, WE'RE ABLE TO START REALLY JANUARY ONE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER. SO DEPENDING UPON ENTITLEMENT AND PERMITTING PROCESS, UH, WE COULD BE STARTING, YOU KNOW, SPRING, UH, WINTER, SPRING OF NEXT YEAR ON THIS, ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION GETS DONE DURING THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT. UM, IT DE UH, I DON'T KNOW OF WHAT THE NOISE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN THIS JURISDICTION. UH, WE, YEAH, THAT'S, WE RUN INTO THAT A LOT WHERE AGAIN, UH, GENERAL CONSTRUCTION HOURS CAN BE, UM, SOME JURISDICTIONS SIT TILL 10:00 PM SOME JURISDICTIONS SIT TILL 9:00 PM SOMETIMES WE'VE GIVEN UP THOSE RIGHTS DURING THE PROFFER PROCESS. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS ARE HERE, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION HOURS. BUT WE WILL WORK WITHIN ALL THE CONSTRUCTION HOURS THAT, THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO. SO I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. IF I COULD HAVE THE LASER POINTER. I DO HAVE JUST A QUESTION. SO THIS AFTERNOON AT THREE O'CLOCK, THERE WAS NO ATTENDANT THERE, THERE WERE CARS QUEUING UP AND INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T SEE THAT THEY SHOULD BE GOING AROUND. BUT THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER HERE THAT COMES OUT THIS WAY. MM-HMM. . AND THIS WAS STACKED UP BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY CARS THAT HAD COME OUT OF COSTCO THAT COME HERE AND THEY GET IN THE LEFT TURN LANE TO TURN LEFT ONTO MALLORY LANE THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN'T GET OUT. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS YOU GIVE A LOT OF STATISTICS IN YOUR, IN YOUR DATA SHEETS. UM, BUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABSOLUTE NUMBERS? SO I KNOW THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU GUYS SAID THAT 27, 20 8% IS NOT SIGNIFICANT IN MY FIELD, 28% IS A HUGE INCREASE. I KNOW WE'RE INCREASING THE PUMPS BY 50%, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 28% NEW VISITS. UM, AND YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO JUST PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE GONNA GET GROCERIES ANYHOW. PEOPLE WHO USUALLY PASS BY IF THE LINES TOO LONG. SO HOW MANY UNIQUE TRIPS IN ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE PASSED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIVERTING FROM ANOTHER ROADWAY? 'CAUSE THEY'RE NEARBY AND PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAVE COME BEFORE AND NOW THEY'RE COMING FOR GAS. SO THERE WAS, I THINK THREE GROUPS OF PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNIQUE TRIPS IN AND BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY, I MEAN EVERYBODY ELSE, I MEAN, I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE QUEUING COMING THAT WAY, BUT IT'S THESE PEOPLE GOING OUT OR PREVENTING THIS OTHER SHOPPING CENTER FROM OPENING OR, YOU KNOW, FROM OPENING OUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OUT HERE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO GET ON SEABOARD AND THEN MAKE A LEFT ON MALLORY. YOU KNOW? SO, UM, THAT, THAT EXIT IS A CONCERN FOR ME. ALSO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING IF IT'S FRIDAY PEAK OR SATURDAY PEAK BETWEEN 250 AND 260 VEHICLES PASSING THROUGH THE GAS STATION PER HOUR. PER HOUR, YEAH. DURING THE PEAK HOUR. UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, A LOT OF THOSE ARE INTERNAL OR PASSED BY OR DIVERTED. SOME OF THOSE ARE PRIMARY TRIPS. SO THEY COME, THEY GET GAS, THEY GO BACK HOME, RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, WITH THE 26, 20 9% INCREASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, ONLY, WE'RE ONLY EXPECTING 22 TO 30 BRAND NEW TRIPS THAT WERE NOT ON THE ROADWAY ALREADY. SO THAT'S WHY WE USE THE TERM INSIGNIFICANT. UM, 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER THAN YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE. SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S 30, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW VEHICLE COMING IN AND LEAVING EVERY TWO MINUTES. RIGHT, RIGHT. 30 TIMES DURING AN HOUR. SO THERE'S 30, 30 NEW CARS [00:40:01] TRYING TO PULL OUT BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY GOES OUT ANY OTHER EXIT. I MEAN, SO IF THEY'RE COMING TO GET GAS, THEY ALL THEN TRY TO COME OUT THIS, YOU KNOW, COME OUT, DO WHATEVER AND GET OUT THAT WAY. UM, SO THAT'S 30 NEW CARS AN HOUR TRYING TO GET THERE. MAYBE POSSIBLY AS MANY AS 30 GET OUT THERE AND BLOCK THE OTHER PEOPLE COMING DOWN? YEAH, I I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOME OF THEM USE OTHER DRIVEWAYS, BUT YES, THEY COULD BE ALL 30 USING THAT DRIVEWAY IN AN HOUR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PIPPIN FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T GO OUT THAT WAY ANYMORE. I GO KNOW THE SECRET PASSAGE WAY. UH, YOU MENTIONED THE Q LIGHTS. WAS IT YOU THAT MENTIONED THE RED AND GREEN Q LIGHTS? YOU SAID THOSE ARE GOING TO BE YES, SIR. ADDED ON. YES SIR. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EXISTING ON THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE RETROFITTED? YES. SO E EVERYBODY WILL SEE A RED OR A GREEN LIGHT. YES. LIKE, LIKE TRAFFIC LANE SIGNALING. WELL, WHEN YOU, SO WHEN IT, IT IS ON THE NEW ROAD THAT WILL COME AND SO IT'S A SQUARE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY NUMBERS THAT THEY ARE, HOW DEEP WE GO, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RED THEY'LL HAVE BE STACKED UP GREEN FOR THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, EACH, EACH I GUESS SQUARE REPRESENTS A SPACE. RIGHT. AND SO YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU COME UP AND YOU'RE SITTING THERE IN LINE, YOU SEE LIKE A BOARD, SO IT'LL GO DOWN. SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THREE DEEP, YOU, IT'LL BE 1, 2, 3. IF YOU'RE TOO DEEP IT'S ONE, TWO, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND SEE WHERE THE OPENINGS ARE AND WHEN YOU SEE WHERE IT IS. OKAY. YEAH. WHERE IT IS MY FOLLOW, SO YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE THAT AND SQUARE WITH EACH ONE. THAT ONE WILL BE RED. IF SOMEBODY'S IN THERE, AS SOON AS THEY PULL OUT IT GOES TO GREEN SO THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE KNOWS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PULL UP AND PULL INTO THAT SPACE. GOTCHA. UM, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES COME IN THERE A LOT. WE HAVE A LOT OF LAWN SERVICES IN THIS AREA AND THEY HAUL VERY LONG TRAILERS AND THEY FILL UP MANY, MANY INDIVIDUAL GAS TANKS. AND THEN SOME OF 'EM TRY TO GET OUT OF THERE AND DON'T FARE ALL THAT WELL IN THEIR EXIT STRATEGY. UM, CAN YOU'VE SEEN THIS, I'M SURE, UM, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO, HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED AN OPTION OF, OF A SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL LANE IN ANY OF THESE? WE HAVE NOT. BUT THAT'S A GOOD, I MEAN, I, AGAIN THAT I GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT AND I THINK, WELL, YOU GET ONE GUY TAKING UP FOUR PUMPS ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND FOR A, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. ABSOLUTELY. SO IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, UH, LOOKING TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND, THAT'D BE ONE WAY TO CONSIDER IT FOR FUTURE COSTCOS. MAYBE CREATE A COMMERCIAL LANE. WELL, EVEN FOR THIS ONE TOO. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I CAN LOOK INTO AGAIN, THE MEMBERSHIP, BUT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IF WE DID HAVE ONE LANE ON THERE, IT, IT WOULD HELP OUT. YEAH. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. UH, THANK YOU. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DONAHUE. THE ALDI'S UP THERE IS, IS HARD. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THAT WAY, AND WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT AT ONE POINT THAT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE AN ENTRANCE ONLY A NO EXIT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. UM, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT WAS IN THE PAPER THIS WEEK THAT BARNES AND NOBLE'S RELOCATING OR OPENING A STORE IN COOL SPRINGS. SO DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW, SOMETHING NEW IN BARNES AND NOBLE THAT'S BIGGER AND BETTER? THEY SAID THEY'RE STAYING THERE. DID THEY? OKAY. BUT, UM, FOR NOW, FOR NOW, THIS IS ALSO PERSONAL . YOU GOT A LOT OF COSTCO CUSTOMERS SITTING UP HERE. YOU CAN TELL WE LIKE, WE LIKE THE GAS. IT SCARES ME TO DEATH WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE THAT FRONT CAR PULL OUT AND THEN YOU SEE THE BIG SUV COME DOWN TO TRY TO GET IN THERE AND YOU GO, OH NO, THEY'RE GONNA BE STICKING OUT. THEY JUST DON'T SEEM TO GET IN THERE. SO, BUT THE WIDTH OF WHAT WE GOT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN PUMPS IS GONNA CHANGE, BUT GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE ANYWAY, I'M JUST SITTING THERE THINKING, AND I'M HEARING WHAT EVERYTHING GOES ON. SO GLAD YOU GUYS WERE HERE. UM, NOT POINTING ANYTHING TO YOU, BUT, UM, WHEN YOU CAME TO THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY, IT WAS KINDA LIKE YOU WERE JUST THE ONLY GUY THERE AND IT WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, HAD A SLACK JACKET ON. NO, KNOWING THIS ISN'T GOING TO START UNTIL AFTER JANUARY. WOULD YOU DELAY THIS ONE MONTH AND LET US HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON THIS AND TALK ABOUT ALL THIS ONE MORE TIME IN A MEETING? I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT QUESTIONS AND POINTS HERE. IS THERE ANY POINT IN DELAYING THIS 30 DAYS AND GIVING US A SHOT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, RESPECTFULLY, IF, IF THAT IS WHERE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE DATA'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. THE DESIGN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. UM, WE, WE'VE, AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO STRONG ARM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE GONE THROUGH, IF THERE WAS ANY BETTER WAY FOR US TO DESIGN THIS OR ANYTHING OTHER THAT WE COULD DO, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT. THE DESIGN IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. AND ULTIMATELY THE IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, YOU GUYS ARE ALL MEMBERS HERE. YOU SEE WHAT [00:45:01] IT IS. YOU HAVE THE ISSUES GOING TO SEABOARD LANE. WE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HELP TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES GOING TO SEAWARD LANE. UM, IF YOU DENY IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER. IT'S GONNA BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IF YOU APPROVE IT. WE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT IT WILL HELP TO MITIGATE IT SOME. UM, SO TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT APPROVE IT, BUT THE DESIRE DESIGN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND THE CHOICE IS ULTIMATELY YOURS ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED, UM, AS MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU KNOW, SERVING THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I DO, BUT GIVEN THIS LAST COMMENT, I'M NOT SURE. UM, OKAY. YEAH. AND WE WILL DISCUSS TOO AFTER OUR MOTION. BUT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY FOR YES, BUT IF SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR, YOU SHOULD ASK IT. SO YOU WON'T ENTERTAIN ANY DESIGN CHANGES TO THIS PROPOSAL. THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE DESIGN CHANGE? I MEAN, IF IT IS TO, WE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO NOT LOSE PARKING AND TO IMPROVE THE, THE GAS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING AND I, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AGGRESSIVE WITH THAT TONE. I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TAKE THAT POSTURE. UM, BUT I, I DON'T SEE A DESIGN CHANGE COMING BECAUSE WE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE CAN, I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, UM, CIVIL ENGINEERS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UH, THEY DON'T DO THIS FOR FREE. UH, EVERY, EVERY MOCKUP, EVERY ITERATION, EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOK AT, I'M SIGNING THEIR INVOICES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT COSTS MONEY AND, AND WE ARE SPENDING MONEY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAYS THAT, THAT WE CAN DO IT. AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, I I I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A DESIGN CHANGE RESPECTFULLY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER, CHURCH? WHY TWO YEARS AGO? WAS IT OKAY TO MOVE IT TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST AND NOW IT'S NOT? SO AGAIN, THE LEADERSHIP, UH, YOU HAVE CERTAIN LEADERSHIP THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT COMES IN AND 20, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPROVE IT AND 24 IS OKAY. UM, SENIOR LEADERSHIP CHANGES, AND AS I SAID, UH, OUR CEO CHANGED IN JANUARY. UM, AND HE IS NOT APPROVING, UH, GAS EXPANSIONS WITH LOSSES OF PARKING. SO THAT IS A, A CORPORATE MANDATE. ALSO, THE LOCAL LEADERSHIP WHERE IT COMES IN, A PREVIOUS WAREHOUSE MANAGER, UH, SAYS. THE OTHER THING IS THE GROWTH IN, IN MEMBERSHIP. AND THIS IS ONE THING WE'RE GOING BY ABOUT 4%. I HAVE THE NOTES IN HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO. THE OTHER THING IS, IS BY THE TIME IT GETS TO YOU FOR THE TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED. IT'S BEEN, IT WAS CONCEIVED FOUR YEARS AGO AND THEN IT WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH TO GET TO THIS POINT THROUGH EASEMENTS AND TIMES BEFORE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT. UM, IT'S ABOUT A TWO YEAR PROCESS. SO YOU'RE TAKING LEADERSHIP OF THE FOUR YEARS PRIOR, NOT JUST CEO LEADERSHIP, BUT UM, EACH WAREHOUSE IS MANAGED BY A VICE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS, WHICH IN A DISTRICT THAT VICE PRESIDENT ANSWERS TO A SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WHO MANAGES ALL THOSE DISTRICTS FOR THE SOUTHEAST. AND THAT SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT ANSWERS TO THE COO, UH, FOR THE EASTERN DIVISION. THERE HAS BEEN CHANGES WITHIN SOME OF THOSE LEADERSHIPS OF RETIREMENTS OF PROMOTIONS. AND SO WHAT CERTAIN LEADERS WOULD SAY, HEY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, AS OTHER ONES HAVE COME ON BOARD, THEY SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CEO. SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SO-AND-SO WHO IS HERE? BUT THAT IS, THERE WAS AN APPETITE FOR IT BEFORE WHERE THERE'S NOT AN APPETITE FOR IT NOW. AND AGAIN, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOR SERVING THE MEMBERS AND, AND JUST WHAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS OUR PORTFOLIO. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SIDE OF THE ROOM? THE SIDE OF THE ROOM. ALL GOOD? OH BOY. THE, HAVE THE CITIZENS TALK. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN? SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KAPLAN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S OPEN UP OUR DISCUSSION. UM, THE SIDE OF THE ROOM. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER STADNIK. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TUCCI. NO. COMMISSIONER KAPLAN. I MEAN, AFTER LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, AND YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP MAKES CHANGE IN PLANS HAPPEN, [00:50:01] AND I DO THINK THAT EXTRA PUMPS WILL DECREASE THE QUEUING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE OTHER ISSUES GOING ON THE SEABOARD LANE TAKING A RIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT AND WORK ON PEOPLE LEAVING. BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE CHOSEN THIS DIRECTION AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE WHEN THEY SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE PARKING SPOTS IN OUR PEAK TIMES OF YEAR, WE CAN'T LOSE THEM. AND IF THE CEO SAYS, WE'RE NOT LOSING PARKING SPOTS, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT YOU'RE LOSING SPOTS. AND SO I'VE NEVER BOUGHT COSTCO GAS, BUT, OH NO, YOU SOUND YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE OUT. YOU'RE NOW, YOU ARE NOW OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS OUR LONG-TERM PARKING FOR HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I, I UNDERSTAND IT AND I DO THINK IT'LL DECREASE. AND IT'S NOT LIKE AN EXXON OR A SHELL THAT ANYBODY CAN COME. SO THEY DO KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEIR DEMAND IS GONNA BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE COSTCO CUSTOMERS ARE JUST GONNA COMPLETELY INCREASE YOUR DEMAND. OKAY, COMMISSIONER B, NO QUESTION COMMISSIONER CHURCH. I'M KIND OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE. I'VE LOOKED AT IT, I'VE WATCHED IT, I'VE SEEN IT. AND IT'S NOT A, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF COSTCO. MY WIFE IS, BUT SHE WON'T LET ME GO BECAUSE SHE SAYS I BUY TOO MUCH STUFF AND, AND I GET THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE, OF, OF THE PARKING SPACES. BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE TO ME OF THE PARKING SPACES OR THE THROUGHPUT. THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT, IS IS THE ENTRANCE THERE AT SEABOARD LANE AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW, I HAVE SET MANY TIMES TRYING TO TURN LEFT OFF OF SEABOARD, BUT PEOPLE TURNING LEFT ON MALLORY OR BACKED UP PAST THIS ENTRANCE TO WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN. THEN ONCE YOU GET IN, YOU CAN'T HARDLY EVEN GET BY SOMETIMES TO PEOPLE QUEUING UP. IT APPEARED. IT JUST, FROM MY OPINION, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE GAS STATION, THE GAS PUMPS MOVING IT TO THE WEST FREES UP MORE SPACE TO THE EAST. I, I HATE TO CONTRADICT WHAT THE TRAFFIC SURVEY SAYS, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE CARS BACKED UP AT THAT LOCATION. YOU GOT ANOTHER ISSUE TOO. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU MAY HAVE A GREEN LIGHT SITTING THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING A CHEVY TAHOE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT IN THERE TO GET TO THAT SPACE. IT'S TIGHT. THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO LANES IS SO TIGHT AND THEN FRONT TO BACK, GETTING INTO THAT SPACE AND GETTING OUT OF THAT SPACE TO ME IS, IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT A YUGO, YEAH, YOU CAN JUST WHIP IT RIGHT IN THERE AND GET YOUR GAS. BUT, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YUGOS AROUND BRENTWOOD. IT'S MORE SUVS. I JUST THINK MOVING THIS TOWARDS THE EAST IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. I GENERALLY AGREE WITH MR. CHURCH SAID AND WHAT, WITH WHAT MR. MR. KAPLAN SAID. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A THROUGHPUT ISSUE THAT'S CAUSING A BACKUP IN, IN CARS IN THE SEABOARD LANE. I THINK I WOULD'VE PREFERRED THE MOST RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, NEW PLAN. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM. MM-HMM. . AND SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY NOT APPROVING THE CURRENT PLAN, WHICH I AM CHOOSING TO BELIEVE IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE THROUGHPUT ENOUGH TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON SEABOARD LANE. SO I, I BELIEVE THIS IS GONNA SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND NOT APPROVING IT IS GONNA LET THE PROBLEM CONSI, UH, PERSIST. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LUGER. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. UM, BUT I THINK FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BOTH AS IT RELATES TO COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT FROM SEABOARD, EXITING FROM SEABOARD ONTO SEABOARD, COUPLED WITH, UM, LESS SPACE NOW TO Q THAT THE SAFETY ISSUE I THINK IS MORE CONCERNING TO ME. IT MIGHT RESOLVE SOMETHING NEAR TERM, BUT, UM, AT 4% MEMBERSHIP GROWTH, I THINK YOU CITED, UM, AND PROBABLY HIGHER MEMBERSHIP GROWTH IN THIS AREA. GIVEN GENERAL POPULATION GROWTH OF MIDDLE TENNESSEE. THIS PROBLEM IS GOING TO BECOME WORSE OVER TIME. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S AN, THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH TO IMPROVEMENT, WHEREAS THERE MAY BE A BETTER LONGER TERM SOLUTION THAT COULD COME FROM A REDESIGN. UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER OR HEAR ABOUT A REDESIGN OPTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MINIMIZE PARKING SPACE LOSS AND YET PROVIDE A LONGER TERM SOLUTION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. THANK YOU. UM, I, I HAVE CONCERNS JUST LIKE WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. ULTIMATELY, I DO THINK IT [00:55:01] FALLS ON ROLANDO AND HE'S GOT A QUOTA, SO TO SPEAK, AND, YOU KNOW, HIS PROFITS ARE UP AND DOWN. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO DO THE BEST FOR THE CUSTOMERS FROM A STANDPOINT, FOR THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD, I THINK GASOLINE IS 60, 70 CENTS CHEAPER AT COSTCO PER GALLON THAN IT IS AT OTHER STATIONS. SO, I'M NOT SAYING DO THIS, BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU WENT UP 35 CENTS ON YOUR GAS, WE'D HAVE NO LINES TO WORRY ABOUT. BUT PEOPLE, AND I DON'T SAY GO UP, BUT I'M JUST, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE HELPFUL TO THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD BY HAVING THAT VERY, VERY GOOD PRICE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE LINES COME FROM. I THINK IF THE LINES, UM, THEY GET OUTTA HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PEOPLE WILL JUST QUIT COMING. I THINK THEY WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T STAND IN, IN LINE THERE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SAY THAT, THAT NOTHING ELSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER CHURCH'S POINT ABOUT THE GAS VENTS WERE, WAS RIGHT ON SPOT ON IF YOU COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. BUT THEN WE'RE LEFT WITH, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. THIS IS THIS PLAN AND THIS PLAN ONLY. UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THAT. AND I, UH, I, I WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD MORE OF THIS DISCUSSION ON THURSDAY STILL, AND I THINK ANOTHER 30 DAYS WOULD'VE GIVEN US A CHANCE TO DO THAT. BUT TO ME, THIS IS, IT IS YOUR STORE. IT'S, IT'S WHAT YOU DO. AND, UM, AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK AND THERE'S COSTCO'S BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES TO US WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'VE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS. WE, WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING THE WHOLE CORRAL TO THE, TO THE SOUTH AND HAVING PEOPLE QUEUE UP AND, UM, I THINK IT WOULD'VE LOST A FEW PARKING SPOTS IN. BUT, UM, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BRING YOUR PLAN. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY UP HERE, UM, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR JOB IS TO DESIGN YOUR STORE. IT'S YOUR JOB TO DESIGN YOUR STORE IN YOUR PARKING LOT. SO, UM, I THINK THE WEST WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH BETTER. BUT, UM, I THINK IF IT DOESN'T WORK, I THINK PEOPLE WILL JUST QUIT COMING. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER PIPMAN? UH, THEY'VE SAID WHAT I WAS THINKING, SO I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD. OKAY. MY ONLY COMMENT, I, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHURCH 'CAUSE I SAW THAT TODAY. UM, HOW, BECAUSE I WAS STANDING IN THE GRASSY AREA TO THE WEST OF THE PUMPS, UM, OR I'M SORRY, TO THE SOUTH OF THE PUMPS, UH, THAT IT, IT'S, IT IS AN OBSTRUCTION RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, IT, IT PREVENTS THE PEOPLE FROM COMING IN. IT PREVENTS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN LINE FROM MOVING FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST WHERE THERE WERE OPEN PUMPS. UM, AND IT WASN'T ALL JUST DUE TO THE, TO THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE. UM, I JUST REALLY DON'T LIKE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE INCREASING BY 4% A YEAR, YOUR MEMBERSHIP, AND WE'RE ALSO INCREASING BY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE JUST 10% AN HOUR OF NEW CUSTOMERS, UH, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE THE, GONNA INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON THE NEARBY BUSINESSES ALSO. AND THAT, AND I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT Y'ALL CONSIDER, WHICH IS WHY I, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. IF YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER 30 DAYS AND COME BACK WITH A BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW PLAN OR GETTING PEOPLE IN ONE WAY AND OUT THE OTHER, UM, SO THAT THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES CAN, CAN USE SEABOARD LANE BETTER. AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FREE VOTE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, UH, SIGNIFIED BY RAISING YOUR HAND, PLEASE. 1, 2, 3. COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. COMMISSIONER PIPPEN. COMMISSIONER KAPLAN. AND ARE YOU UP, JOHN? WHAT ARE YOU VOTING? YES. YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TUCCI. COMMISSIONER STANNICK, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. COMMISSIONER CHURCH. COMMISSIONER LEERING, COMMISSIONER DONAHUE AND COMMISSIONER BAIN. OKAY, THE MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. ONTO, AND Y'ALL CAN STEP OUT. WE WOULDN'T BE OFFENDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. HAVE A VERY SAFE JULY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOVING [2. BPC2405-012 Revised Master Plan - Brentwood YMCA, Twin Springs Subdivision, Section 3, Lot 67, 8207 Concord Road, Zoning SI-3 - Applicant: Catalyst Design Group, 5100 Tennessee Avenue, Nashville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evised Site Plan - Brentwood YMCA, Twin Springs Subdivision, Section 3, Lot 67, 8207 Concord Road, Zoning SI-3 - Applicant: Catalyst Design Group, 5100 Tennessee Avenue, Nashville, TN 37209] BPC TWO ZERO. I'M SORRY, 2 4 0 5. WAIT, IS THAT YOU'LL BE RIGHT BACK. UH, OKAY. BPC 2 4 0 5 DASH 0 1 4. THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA TWIN SPRINGS SUBDIVISION SECTION THREE LOT 67, 82 0 7 CONCORD ROAD. UH, NOTHING NEW HERE. THIS LIKE, UH, I SAID AT THE BRIEFING, THE PREVIOUS PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN WAS SORT OF THE CONCEPT. THE, THE FINAL SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE FINAL SITE PLAN FOR THE Y, WHICH IS THE MORE DETAILED, UH, ENGINEERED PLANS THAT, UH, WITH SORT OF CONSTRUCTION DETAILS THAT ARE BEING APPROVED. UM, CATALYST DESIGN GROUP REQUESTS APPROVAL OF, OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR BRENTWOOD YMCA. THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE A NEW SHARED ACCESS WITH THE ADJOINING CONCORD ROAD CHURCH OF CHRIST AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE EXISTING RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY IN THE CENTER OF THE YMCA PROPERTY. THE NEW SHARED DRIVE WILL ALIGN WITH SUNNY HILL ROAD WHERE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS PROPOSED. LANE IMPROVEMENTS ON CONCORD, UH, WILL ALSO BE COORDINATED AS PART OF THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THERE ARE FOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, INCLUDING, UH, THE TDOT APPROVAL MUST BE RECEIVED PR UH, BEFORE ANY PERMITS ARE ISSUED. AND WITH THAT STAFF REQUESTS, UH, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE APPLICANT? YES. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE. OKAY. SEND TO THE ROOM. ANYBODY ON THE LEFT? UM, GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHERE THE CURRENT ROAD UP IS, IS THAT GONNA BE ELIMINATED? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PARKING SPOTS AGAINST THE WALL. YEAH. IT'S ELIMINATED IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONCORD ROAD IS SO MUCH HIGHER. RIGHT. AND THERE'S OUR RETAINING WALL ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE EXCEPT WHEN IT TURNS DOWN. SO WE WOULD CUT THOSE WING WALLS OFF [01:45:01] AND PUT A WALL IN THERE THAT CONNECT THOSE TWO TO BRING THE GRADE DOWN. UM, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GET PARKING IN THERE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY'S ACTUALLY PARKING. BUT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE ROAD PARKING, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE RAMP OUT. THE ROAD IS BARELY REMOVED AND IT, THE SIDEWALK WHERE WE HAD THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT RIGHT GETS REMOVED AND THE SIDEWALK GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH. OKAY. AND THE REST OF IT'S JUST THE LAWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PIPPEN? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TRAVIS? NO. COMMISSIONER LRE. COMMISSIONER CROWLEY. COMMISSIONER CHURCH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WE'RE STILL AT EVERYTHING DE DEPENDS ON TDOT APPROVING THE SITE, THE SIGNAL HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. I MEAN, UH, I MEAN, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, GREG TDOT DEFERS TO THE LOCAL, PROVIDED THERE'S A VALID WARRANT STUDY. SO I THINK THEY KINDA WILL REVIEW AND MAYBE JUST, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, GREG. WILL THEY EVEN REVIEW ANYMORE KIRK? SURE. I I, THERE'LL BE A SUBMISSIONS THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH, BUT GENERALLY THE TDOT WILL DEFER TO WHAT THE LOCAL AGENCY AND AS LONG AS THERE IS A SUBMITTED AND APPROVED, UH, THE, THE OFFICIALS AT TDOT MAY REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY TOO, JUST SO THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR INPUT. BUT, UH, MOST TIME THESE THINGS WILL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH AND, AND, AND UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONCERN WITH THAT, BUT YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND I HAD FOLLOWED UP WITH TDOT IN THE LAST WEEK AND THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT. THEY, THEY WANTED ME TO RESUBMIT THE PLANS. I HAD SENT 'EM ONCE AND THEY, I EVIDENTLY HADN'T LOOKED AT 'EM YET, BUT I NEVER, THEY WERE WAITING FOR THE CITY'S . YEAH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BAIN, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER TUCCI. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PRETTY GOOD, KEN. I'M GOOD. WE GOOD? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORTS SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED, ABSTAINING. EXCELLENT. THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. MOVING ON TO ITEM [4. BPC2405-015 Revised Site Plan - Concord Road Church of Christ, 8221 Concord Road, Zoning SI-1 - Applicant: Catalyst Design Group, 5100 Tennessee Avenue, Nashville, TN 37209] NUMBER FOUR BPC 24 0 5 DASH ZERO 15. THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CONCORD ROAD CHURCH OF CHRIST. 82 21 CONCORD ROAD. ZONING SI ONE. YES. UH, CATALYST DESIGN GROUP REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CONCORD ROAD CHURCH OF CHRIST. THE THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE A CONNECTION TO THE NEW SHARED ACCESS WITH THE ADJOINING YMCA AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVE TO CONCORD ROAD. THE NEW SHARED DRIVE WILL ALIGN WITH SUNNY HILL ROAD WHERE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS PROPOSED. LANE IMPROVEMENTS ON CONCORD ROAD WILL ALSO BE COORDINATED AS PART OF THE, THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL. UM, ALSO TDOT APPROVAL WILL BE NEEDED BEFORE PERMITS ARE ISSUED. AND WITH THAT STAFF REQUESTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. AND THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME DRAWINGS, JUST PACKAGED SEPARATELY FOR, UH, THE PORTION THAT'S ON THE, UM, THE CHURCH PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE ELDER FROM THE CHURCH. IT'S SIMPLE QUESTION REALLY. UH, IT JUST CONS, UH, WHAT ARE THE HOURS? YOU SAID IT'S TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, PRESCHOOL. THAT'S THE PRESCHOOL, RIGHT? RIGHT. DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. AND WHAT AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS, BECAUSE I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT IS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PEAK. YMCA, WHICH IS KIND OF FROM SEVEN TO 10, WE'RE ON SUNDAY MORNING FROM BASICALLY NINE TO 11 15, 11 30. OKAY. AND THEN SUNDAY NIGHT, SIX TO SEVEN, THEN WEDNESDAY NIGHT SIX, EXCUSE ME, SEVEN TO EIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN THE PRESCHOOL, WHAT TIME DO THEY START ARRIVING? THEY ARE AROUND NINE OR NINE 30. OKAY. AND THEY'RE OUT BY LIKE TWO 30 AND THEN THEY FOLLOW WILLIAMSON COUNTY SCHOOLS. IF THERE'S A SNOW DAY OR A HOLIDAY, THEY'RE OUT. SURE. OKAY. SO THEY'D BE PRETTY MUCH AFTER THE PEAK TRAFFIC TIME AND, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. WELL, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM, SORRY. SORRY, I FORGOT. NO, I'M THE ONE THAT USUALLY FORGETS. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? OKAY. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE THE RISE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO COMMISSIONS. CONDITIONS. STAFF REPORT FROM COMMISSIONER PIPPIN. A SECOND FROM SECOND. COMMISSIONER KAPLAN. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CONCORD ROAD CHURCH OF CHRIST. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. AND THAT ONE'S ACCEPTED. OKAY. MOVING ON. OH, IT'S THE YMCA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. BPC. THE FINAL PLAN IS THAT FINAL. IS THIS LIKE THE FINAL ONE? SEE THEM [01:50:01] AGAIN. WE'LL NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. ALRIGHT. BPC [5. BPC2405-009 Revised Final Plat - Brentwood YMCA, Twin Springs Subdivision, Section 3, Lot 67, 8207 Concord Road, Zoning SI-3 - Applicant: Catalyst Design Group, 5100 Tennessee Avenue, Nashville, TN 37209] 24 0 5 DASH 0 0 9. THE REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA TWIN SPRINGS SUBDIVISION, UH, CATALYST DESIGN GROUP REQUESTS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED FINAL PLAT. THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE THE CREATION OF A JOINT USER ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED SHARED ACCESS DRIVE AND STAFF REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT. THIS IS JUST THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. YOU LOOK FAMILIAR . HAVE YOU SEEN ME BEFORE? I'M TRYING TO LINE IT UP WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. MM-HMM. . IT'S JUST THE LITTLE HATCH BOX UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT. WE GO CORNER. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THIS BACK TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT? SO MOVED. YOU HAVE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER KAPLAN? YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PIPPEN. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? EXCELLENT. MOVING ON. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT. SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS TOO. I APPRECIATE IT. AND ONTO OUR FAVORITE PART OF THE MEETING. I'M ONLY HERE FOR THE SECURITY. I KNOW. ME TOO. YOU GOTTA TALK ABOUT THURSDAY, RED, WHITE, AND BOOM. YES. THAT'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY ELSE. OKAY. UM, LET'S [1. Monthly Security Report -- June 2024 ] GO TO THE, LET'S DO THE MONTHLY SECURITY REPORT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE OTHER BUSINESS CONCERNING CITY MATTERS. OKAY. REVISED SECURITY REPORT. YEP. I I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RE THE SECURITY REPORT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LEON? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECURITY REPORT? MOVE TO APPROVE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER TRAVIS. SECOND. A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LRE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. GREAT. AND NOW ONTO OTHER CITY BUSINESS. UH, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE RED, WHITE AND BOOM, THE RED, WHITE AND BOOM IS THURSDAY, JULY 4TH. UM, STARTS, GATES ARE OPEN AT 5:00 PM UM, THE FIREWORKS ARE EXPECTED AT AROUND NINE O'CLOCK. FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE THERE. UM, GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE EXPECT 10,000 PEOPLE. I THINK SO. BE READY. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC REPORT THAT GOES WITH YOU? NO. WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET ONE. , YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WOULD BE, LET'S ASK GREG TO COME. THAT'D BE A SUBJECT FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO HAVE TO, TO FIGURE OUT THAT FOR GREG. YOU'RE NOT BUSY. MY BUSINESS. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMITTEE REPORT OR ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS FOR THE CITY? ANY COMMITTEES? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT, STEVEN. WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS BEING DESIRED, THEN THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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