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READY HERE.[ Brentwood Planning Commission Briefing June 27, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Planning Commission to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
HOW ABOUT THE COWBOY HALL? JUST A REMINDER, ON MONDAY NIGHT, YOU'LL HAVE THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR, UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.THAT'S AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND WE'LL GET STARTED HERE WITH CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEMS, UM, FIRST CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IS BPC 24 0 5 DASH OH OH SIX.
THIS IS A REVISED, UH, SITE PLAN FOR COSTCO.
UM, ALL ENGINEERING REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A REVISED SITE PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF FOUR FUEL DISPENSERS AND THE EXPANSION OF THE FUEL CANOPY TO THE EAST OF THE EXISTING FUEL PUMPS.
UM, THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES THE RELOCATION OF THE ATTENDANT BUILDING FROM THE WEST TO THE NORTH OF THE PUMPS.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE EIGHT FUEL DISPENSERS WITH A TOTAL OF 16 FUELING POSITIONS.
THIS ADDITION OF FOUR FUEL DISPENSERS WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER TO 12 DISPENSERS, UM, AND PROVIDE A TOTAL OF 24 FUELING POSITIONS OVERALL.
UH, YOU MAY RECALL IN THE MEETING AT SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT ADDED FOUR FUEL DISPENSERS AND EXPANDED THE FUEL CANOPY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FUEL PUMPS.
UM, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL, THEY, THEY DID NOT BUILD THAT.
AND SO THEY'VE KIND OF RECONSIDERED THIS TO, UH, ALLOW FOR THIS TO, TO KEEP THE, THE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LOST WITH THAT PRE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL.
SO, UM, WITH THAT PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, THEY, THEY WOULD'VE LOST 24 SPACES, BUT AFTER SORT OF CONSIDER RECONSIDERING THAT LOOSE Q SPACE, YES, THEY, THEY ARE GONNA NEED AS MUCH.
I, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST BEFORE WE EVEN START THE DISCUSSION, ASK THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
UM, SO THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, GREG, JUDY.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND THE, THE OUTCOME OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WAS THAT, UM, THAT THE, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE QUEUING 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL STILL BE SORT OF WAITING AT THE PUMPS.
IT DOESN'T INCREASE DEMAND, UM, OR MORE PEOPLE COMING.
AND SO IT'S SORT OF A WASH THAT PEOPLE WILL BE QUEUED AT THE PUMPS INSTEAD OF QUEUED BEHIND THE PUMPS, IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATED.
UM, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND THEN THE ONE WAITING IN, IN, UH, AT ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS, THE TIME TO TURN IN WENT FROM ONE MINUTE TO THREE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, WHICH 200%.
I MEAN, IT'S, HE WANTS TO SIT ON THE ROAD FOR THREE MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO TURN IN BECAUSE THEY'RE BACK UP.
I, I JUST THINK WE NEED THEM TO, IT'S GREAT, THE VOLUME INCREASE, BUT I DON'T SEE THE QUEUE BENEFIT AT ALL.
'CAUSE I THINK CARS TURN AWAY WHEN THEY SEE IT QUEUED OUT THAT FAR.
AND IF THERE'S MORE CAPACITY, I'M WONDERING IF THEY'VE THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING THE ENTRANCE FURTHER EAST TO PROVIDE MORE QUEUE SPACE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FURTHER EAST FOR THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION OR ENTRANCE.
WELL, THEY, THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE MEETING.
WE'LL TAKE IT OFF CONSENT FOR SURE.
AND, UM, I'LL SEE IF GREG JUDY CAN BE THERE AS WELL.
I, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AND I, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
I KNOW WE, WE CAN TALK TO GREG AND WE CAN TALK TO OTHERS.
THAT'S WHERE I GET MY GAS AND MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S A QUEUE THERE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT IS BACKED UP AND I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED THE OTHER WAY OR SOMETHING ELSE.
THE TRAFFIC VOLUME IN THIS STUDY, HOW DID IT COMPARE TO THE ONE THAT THEY DID? I GUESS IN 20, SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN 22, BUT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YEAR OLD.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE BECAUSE THIS JUST, THE NUMBERS HERE SEEMED VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE EXAMPLES AND WE HAD HAD THE DATA FROM CALIFORNIA WITH WHICH TO COMPARE IT.
UM, BUT IT JUST, MY INTERPRETATION OF SOME OF THEIR DATA IS DIFFERENT.
SO THE THOUGHT IS DEMAND WILL JUST INCREASE BY ADDING IT, NOT JUST, THIS WON'T JUST DECREASE THE Q YEAH.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S, DID YOU READ THERE? SO READ THEIR READ, READ THEIR CALIFORNIA COMPARISON STUDIES AND YEAH.
AND SO SOME OF THE, THE, THE VOLUME DID GO BY LIKE 26% AND OTHER DATE, ANOTHER TIME 28%.
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AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S MINIMAL.UM, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S STUDIES AND THERE'S REALITY.
I WAS OVER THERE A WEEK AGO AND THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED NOW, YOU WERE STILL QUEUED UP OUT ONTO SEABOARD LANE.
SO BRINGING THE PUMPS THAT WAY DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THAT QUEUE.
IT JUST GIVES SOMEBODY ANOTHER PLACE TO PARK.
WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY PARKING.
UM, AND THE OTHER BAD PART IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO TURN LEFT ON WHATEVER THAT IS NOT MALLORY'S MALLORY OR THE COAST SPRINGS BOULEVARD, SEABOARD NO.
COMING DOWN SEABOARD AND THEN TURNING LEFT.
MALL IS QUEUING UP IN THE TURN LANE.
TO WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN THE TURN LANE TO GO LEFT BECAUSE IT'S QUEUED UP ALMOST AROUND THAT TO THAT QUARTER, THAT CURB.
UM, I, I THINK IF YOU INCREASE THE VOLUME ALSO YOU INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FUEL TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE.
AND WHEN THE FUEL TRUCKS ARE THERE, IT COMPLICATES BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE TRAFFIC THING THAT WE HAD TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT COULD THEY NOT MOVE THAT OVER SOME, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT PARKING SPACES, BUT DO THEY CAN, DO THEY FILL THEIR TANKS DURING THE DAY? YES.
EVERY DAY ABOUT ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK.
AND, AND THERE'S SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE DAY.
BECAUSE I COMPLAIN DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOR THIS OR AGAINST IT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT.
I'M NOT EVEN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S TRAFFIC EXPERT.
UH, KEVIN BLACKBURN IS, WE HAVE NO TRAFFIC STUDY EXPERT IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT KEVIN, UM, BLACKBURN IS MORE INTO TRAFFIC, UH, THAN EITHER JASON OR I, BUT, UH, HE COULDN'T BE HERE THIS MORNING.
HE'S, HE'S, HE'S, HE HAD TO TAKE HIS KIDS TO A CAMP.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A, FOR A MINUTE HERE.
I THINK SOME OF THE REASONS THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT, IT, IT HELPS THE CUING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THREE PUMPS OR FOUR PUMPS, HOWEVER MANY THAT YOU GUYS CAN, I'M SURE YOU KNOW.
IS IT TWO? IS IT TWO, FOUR? THERE'S TWO.
THERE ARE, NOW THIS WILL MAKE FOUR.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S EIGHT, THERE'S EIGHT PUMPS.
NO, I MEAN, HOW MANY, THERE'S FOUR BAYS.
HOW MANY CARS DO THEY SERVICE? TWO AT A TIME.
AND SO, AND YOU GUYS KNOW ONE MOVES OUT IN FRONT, THE OTHER ONE WILL GO AROUND AND GET IN FRONT, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO A NO MATTER HOW MANY BAYS YOU MOVE IT OUT TOWARD THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY MOVE AT ONE TIME.
SO THAT SPACE OPENS UP THERE, WHETHER THE BAY IS CLOSER TO THE ROAD OR FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD, AND THEY'RE USING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THE, THE FOURTH, THE FIFTH CAR IN THE BACK HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST CAR GETS UNTIL THE FOURTH.
ALL FOUR CARS IN FRONT OF HIM GETS DONE.
WHEN A SPACE MOVES, OPENS UP, THEY CAN MOVE AROUND THAT AND INTO THAT SPACE.
I, I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE REASONING, UH, THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY HERE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I MENTIONED THAT.
AND THEN ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS, UH, SERVING THAT EXTRA CAR EARLIER, CLOSER TO THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
LIKE, WELL, WE'RE JUST MOVING EVERYTHING 23 FEET CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
IT IS SORT OF LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A DEAL WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE MENU BOARD IS WAY DOWN HERE, BUT THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT FRONT AND THEY SERVE YOU.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BRINGING GAS TO YOU.
MAYBE THEY, THAT'D BE NICE TO GET,
BUT IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, UM, TIME FOR THE SERVICE OF THE VEHICLES AT THE PUMP.
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY MOVE MORE THROUGH, JUST LIKE A RESTAURANT DOES.
A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WHEN THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAD MORE WINDOWS OR MORE SERVICE.
I LOGICALLY, TO ME IT DOES SEEM MORE PRACTICAL TO MOVE THAT AWAY FROM SEABOARD.
UH, AND THEY LOSE THE PARKING.
SO AGAIN, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS BOB SAID, GREG, WE COULD TALK TO GREG MORE ABOUT IT.
SO, SO DID THEY ALLOCATE, LIKE, IS THIS IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT THE PAVEMENT IS ALREADY AND SO THESE PUMPS ARE WHERE THE QUEUE HAS BEEN RESIDING? YES.
SO, 'CAUSE I FIND IT VERY, UM, NARROW ON THAT FAR RIGHT.
AND SO IF YOU WERE MOVING OUT AND AROUND TO THE FIR, IT'S LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DRIVE AROUND TO GET TO THAT FIRST BAY.
IF, IF THEY LEAVE THAT FOOTPRINT THE SAME.
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YEAH.IT, THE OTHER THING THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AS A CAR FINISHES, THEY CAN PULL OUT AND PULL AROUND, THAT'S A NIGHTMARE IF YOU'RE SITTING BACK THERE.
BECAUSE SOME, THERE'LL BE A BIG SUV AND THEY DON'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO PUMP AND IT MESSES IT UP.
SOMEBODY PULLS OUT, THE GUY GOES AROUND AND TRIES TO BACK UP AND THEY'RE CROOKED.
IT JUST, IT WORKS BETTER IF THEY'RE JUST, IF YOU JUST MOVE TWO CARS AT A TIME THROUGH THERE.
AND I UNDERSTAND PUTTING THE PUMPS BACK THERE, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE IN LINE.
BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, YOU'RE GETTING MORE CARS IN THERE.
I JUST THINK THIS IS ON THE WRONG SIDE.
WELL, I THINK BEFORE MONDAY NIGHT, EVERYBODY SHOULD, IF YOU CAN, THE LAST PAGES ARE JUST INDIVIDUAL CAR COUNTS, BUT LIKE THE FIRST 15, 20 PAGES OF THEIR, OF THEIR STUDY, I MEAN, I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST ONE WAY, BUT I I, I AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH THEIR DATA BE THEY'RE MINIMIZING THEIR FINDINGS.
BUT, UM, IF EVERYONE JUST LOOK AT THAT, 'CAUSE THEY DO SOME OF THE COMPARISON TIMES AND HOW LONG PEOPLE WERE IN LINE, HOW LONG PEOPLE WERE TURNING, HOW, YOU KNOW, TAKE TO TURN AND WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE.
UH, THERE WERE SIX OR EIGHT STATIONS IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE GONE UP IN, IN NUMBER SIMILAR SIZE, UH, FACILITIES.
SO THEY COMPARE THEM BEFORE AND AFTER.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL, IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THEM RIGHT HERE? I, I JUST, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO TAKE THE MESSAGE BACK.
YOU CAN HEAR THE TALK OF THE TABLE.
THIS IS JUST NOT GOOD FOR ME AND GRIEF.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT INFO BACK.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE'RE, CAN YOU SHOW US ON THIS OVERHEAD AGAIN? 'CAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING THE TINY DETAILS BEFORE OR GOING UP IN THE TOP IN THE, IN THE LIGHT GRADED, UH, SHADED AREA.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE SOLID GRAY AREA.
1, 2, 3, 4, 1 POINT AT THE EXISTING.
THEY'RE THE CURRENT, THOSE ARE THE CURRENT ONE.
AND THAT'S POINT AT THE EXISTING, WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK UNDER, THERE'S ENOUGH DISTANCE HERE, BUT SORT OF UNDER CANDY.
AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE I, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T SEE YOUR LITTLE DETAILS.
WHERE WERE THE ONES GOING TO GO? THEY WERE GOING IN IN 2022.
THEY WERE GOING TO GO ON THE BACKSIDE OVER HERE.
AND THEY WERE GONNA LOSE LIKE 24 PARKING SPACES PLANS BACK HERE.
WE MAY HAVE THE PREVIOUS APPROVED PLAN.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
THIS IS THE, YEAH, THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN.
AND SO THEY WERE GOING 1, 2, 3, 4, THE NEW PUMPS WERE HERE AND THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO LOSE, YOU KNOW, AROUND 24 SPACES IN THIS AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
BUT THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CAR WASH, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU WANNA SOUND THE CAR WASH ON THE SOUTH SIDE? WHERE, WHERE'S THE CAR WASH ON THERE? IT'S OVER HERE.
AND THE ATTENDANT BUILDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THIS AREA, WAS GONNA MOVE, BE MOVED TO HERE.
AND THE CURRENT PLAN, IT'S BEING MOVED FROM HERE TO UP HERE.
IS THERE A SETBACK REQUIREMENT IN THAT AREA? THAT LITTLE BUILDING? YEAH, IN THE, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY NEED THAT, THEY'RE INSIDE THE SETBACKS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO SPACE THERE.
NO REAL SPACE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.
SO THERE'S THE PROPOSED RELOCATION OF THE LITTLE BUILDING.
SO THE THE BUILDING, THE, THE ATTENDANT BUILDING COULD STILL MOVE THERE.
EVEN IF THE BAYS WERE UP FORWARD OF THAT.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT MENTIONED.
I, AND I WAS READING THE STUDY THAT, THAT JANET WAS LOOKING AT TOO WHEN I WAS THERE THE OTHER DAY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LANDSCAPE COMPANIES THAT ARE USING COSTCO AND THEY'RE PULLING IN THERE WITH TRAILERS.
THEY'LL HAVE THEIR TRAILER ON THE BACK.
AND THEY'RE FILLING AT ONE PUMP, BUT THEY'RE BLOCKING THE OTHER PUMP WHEN THEY GO IN THERE.
SO THERE'S NO PULL AROUND, UH, SPACE FOR THAT.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING BACK AND THEY'RE FILLING ALL THEIR TANKS UP FOR ALL THEIR LAWNMOWERS AND, AND SO THEY'RE THERE FOR A WHILE.
SO, SO TO UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR THE CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF THIS ONE IS THE PROTECTION OF PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S THE ONLY RATIONALE AS FAR AS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.
THEY DON'T LOSE THE 24 PARKING SPACES THAT THEY WOULD'VE GONE.
AND ARE THOSE 24 PARKING SPACES CRITICAL TO THE OPERATION? I MEAN, COSTCO FEELS THEY'RE CRITICAL.
THEY, THEY WOULD STILL MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY.
AND COSTCO, THEY JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE THE 24 PARKING SPACES.
SO IT'S A PARKING SPACE VERSUS A QUEUING ISSUE OF WHERE YOU ADD, RIGHT.
ADD ON THE LEFT, YOU LOSE PARKING SPACES, ADD ON THE RIGHT, YOU LOSE QUEUING.
IF YOU GO BACK SEVERAL YEARS, LAST TIME I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE SUGGESTED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT,
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THAT THE PUMPS BE TAKEN, YOU KNOW, DOWN.THEY WOULD LOSE PARKING SPACES LIKE THERE, BUT YOU GET MORE QUEUING AREA UP THERE AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THE COSTCO PEOPLE SAYING, WE REALLY BELIEVE THIS WILL WORK AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL COME BACK AND DO WHATEVER Y'ALL SAY TO DO.
AND I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING FORCE FED THE SAME PLAN NO MATTER WHAT, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA WORK.
HOW MANY TIMES HAS THE COSTCO LOT BEEN FILLED? LIKE WHEN I DRIVE AND GO, EVEN ON HOLIDAYS, LIKE UP BY SEABOARD LANE, THOSE LOTS UP THERE, THEY'RE ALWAYS ALMOST NEVER FILLED EMPTY.
SO HAVE THEY DONE THAT KIND OF STUDY IN ANALYSIS WITH THIS TO KNOW IF FOR SURE, 24, YES, 24 SPACES CLOSER TO THE STORE WOULD BE LOST.
AND I, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE TO NOT WALK, BUT 24 UP AT THE TOP ARE NEVER USED IN MY, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE COMING AND GOING.
SO CAN YOU SHOW US ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS MUCH EASIER TO SEE WHERE THE FOUR NEW ONES ARE GOING? THEY ARE GOING RIGHT THERE.
THE CANOPY, IF THE CANOPY WILL BE EXTENDED, THE CANOPY WILL BE EXPANDED AS WELL TOWARD THIS ENTRANCE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE GOING IN EACH LANE, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONES WERE GOING TO BE ON THE NORTH OF THE CANOPY WHERE THE EXISTING CANOPY, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN? YEAH.
WELL, WE'LL, SOMEBODY'S RINGING MY FRONT DOOR,
WE'LL WE'LL MOVE IT TO REGULAR AND YEAH, WE'LL THEY'LL BE THERE AT THE MEETING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, SECOND ITEM IS THE BPC 24 0 5 DASH OH EIGHT.
THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR EASTMAN'S PRESERVE SUBDIVISION FOR PHASE ONE REAGAN SMITH ASSOCIATES REQUEST APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR PHASE ONE.
UM, THE PLAT SHOWS 24 LOTS AND SIX OPEN SPACE TRACKS LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY 27.41 ACRES.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED OSRD DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THERE'S ONE, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND STAFF REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
THEY'RE NUMBERED TO 25 18 APPARENTLY IS NOT BEING PLANNED RIGHT NOW.
AND WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? IS THAT A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING PHASE TWO? PHASE TWO IS AN OPEN SPACE TRACK AND ONE LOT.
AND CAN YOU SHOW HERE JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? WHY NOT NOW WHY IS THAT A PHASE TWO? WELL, UM, I THINK THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY'RE GONNA SAVE A, AN OLD, WHAT IS IT? THE BOILER.
BOILER BUILDING BOILER ROOM IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
AND THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA SAVE THAT.
AND SO, UM, THEY'RE EXCLUDING IT FROM PHASE ONE, SO THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND RECORD PHASE ONE OKAY.
BUT PHASE TWO IS THIS OPEN SPACE TRACK AND THIS LOT HERE.
AND ARE THEY GONNA BUILD THE MAIL KIOSK IN? THEY ARE.
SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN PHASE ONE? SO WE ARE REQUIRING THAT THEY RECORD A, AN EASEMENT DOCUMENT.
SO, SO IT WILL BE ATTACHED TO PHASE ONE.
ALL IT'S IN PHASE TWO, BUT RIGHT.
PHASE ONE CAN ACCESS AND USE IT.
SO THE, THEIR PLAN INCLUDES BUILDING THAT AREA IN PHASE ONE, THOUGH, THE KIOSK? YES.
I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE.
WHAT'S THE MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENT FOR AN OSR NEED? OH, THE SIZE.
BOB, THIS IS SEPARATE, BUT WE DID HAVE A RESIDENT THIS WEEK SENT IN A COMPLAINT AGAIN ABOUT THE NOISE THAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN YEAH, I MEAN IT WAS, UH, WE, WE SAW KIRK AND I SAW THAT, AND I MEAN FROM WHAT WE COULD TELL IT, IT WAS THE VIDEO AND THE AUDIO RECORDINGS THAT WERE SENT.
I MEAN, REALLY JUST SOUNDED LIKE TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION NOISES.
AND, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT IN, IN TERMS OF HAVING HEAVY MACHINERY ON A SITE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE CHILDREN'S HOME SITE.
I BELIEVE IT IS, IT IS THE CHILDREN.
UM, IS IT CLOSE TO BEING DONE? UM, NO.
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I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE COULD DO IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE PLAN AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING APPROVED, APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION WORK ON THAT SITE FOLLOWING THE HOUR.THE ALLOWED HOURS OF OPERATION.
WHICH IS WHAT? SEVEN EIGHT OF 7:00 AM TO DUSK, I BELIEVE DAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
PLAY SOME GOOD WORKING HOURS IN THE SUMMER.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THIS IS A REVISED, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE SUBDIVISION ON OLD SMYRNA ROAD.
UH, REAGAN SMITH ASSOCIATES REQUEST APPROVAL OF A, UH, REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THESE CHANGES, UH, REFLECT MINOR ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DESIGN.
UM, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES INCLUDE, UH, WIDENING THE ENTRANCE, UH, ROAD FROM OLD SMYRNA ROAD TO THE CIELO CIELO ENTRY ROUNDABOUT.
UM, IT'S BEING WIDENED FROM 23 FEET OF ASPHALT, UH, PAVEMENT TO 36 FEET OF ASPHALT, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS OF LARGE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS, TRAILERS, AND MOVING TRUCKS.
UM, THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE YELLOW DRIVE HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO BE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET OFF THE BACK OF THE CURB TO REDUCE THE GRADING IMPACT TO THE EXISTING ROW OF MATURE TREES ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE CENTER ISLAND OF THE ENTRY ROUNDABOUT HAS BEEN REDESIGNED TO PERMIT A GUARDHOUSE TO BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T COULD TOTALLY DECIDE IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THE GUARDHOUSE, BUT THIS PLAN INCLUDES IT JUST IN CASE.
UH, THE LOT LINES AND AREAS OF LOT SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY MODIFIED.
UM, HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE GRADING AND UTILITIES, UH, PER THE FINAL DESIGN THAT THEY'VE, UH, COMPLETED.
AND THERE'S A REVISED LOCATION OF THE WATER BOOSTER STATION AND ACCESS DRIVE WITH, UH, THAT WAS COORDINATED WITH THE BRENTWOOD WATER, SEWER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, SINCE THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE, THIS, UH, AR IP ZONING WOULD REQUIRE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO THIS WOULD GO BACK BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL FOR, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
AND, UM, THERE'S THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND STAFF REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT AND FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UM, TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIPLOMA LAST NIGHT, I CAN'T FIND A DRIVEWAY FOR EIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD POINT TO THINK VERY EASILY ON THIS, BUT YOU WANT START WITH THE TREE LINE AND YEAH.
I'M TRYING TO FIND DRIVEWAY THERE.
YEAH, THE, THEY THAT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE COMING ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THEY OH, YOU MEAN UP TO THAT SIDE? UP TO THAT HOUSE.
I COULDN'T TELL IF THEY WERE KEEPING THAT OR NOT.
SO JUST THE, THE ONES ALONG THE LINE.
THEY, THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE SIDEWALK ALONG THAT.
AND THEN SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT, THEY CHANGED THE BOUNDARIES.
UM, DID YOU CHANGE IT? WE CAN GET A PLAN THAT KIND OF SHOWS IT BETTER AND OKAY.
AND SEND THAT OUT OR PUT IT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION.
IT IS PRETTY, IT IS MINOR, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GET ONE THAT YOU SEE.
DID IT CHANGE THE BUILDING ENVELOPES AT ALL? I DON'T THINK IT IS.
AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IF YOU HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT YET, UH, IF YOU DON'T LIVE ABOVE THE CITY, WATER TANKS, WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT, THERE'S NO WATER BECAUSE THE BOOSTER PUMPS DON'T WORK.
SO THE QUESTION IS, UM, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE A GENERATOR DOWN THERE OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE CAN FIND OUT BECAUSE THOSE RUN ON ELECTRICITY, WE CAN ASK THAT AND LET YOU KNOW.
SOME LESS PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE STORAGE TANKS, THEY'RE GONNA NOT HAVE WATER.
I KNOW THAT THE WATER SERVICES HAS, UH, PORTABLE GENERATORS OKAY.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT 100% SURE IF THOSE ARE FOR PORTABLE WATER OR FOR SEWAGE
BUT, UH, UH, THEY DO HAVE PORTABLE GENERATORS THAT THEY USE TO RUN PUMPS DURING POWER OUTAGES.
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CAN, WE CAN CHECK ON THAT QUESTION AND OKAY.AND GET A PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT WHERE THE LOT LINES ARE SHIFTING.
AND WE'LL JUST SEND AN EMAIL AROUND SO THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF PEOPLE ARE FINE WITH IT, I, I DON'T, I DON'T OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S SURVIVABLE, YOU KNOW, IT ONLY HAPPENS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE GONNA NEED AT LEAST GONNA NEED TO KNOW OR THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF PLAN.
UM, I THOUGHT ZONED, UH, A RIP IS MINIMUM THREE ACRE WATTS.
IT'S THREE ACRE OVERALL AVERAGE WITH THE COMBINED OPEN SPACE AND LOTS.
AND WHAT, WHY IS THIS BEING ZONED AG? IS THERE STILL PLANNING TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL NO FUNCTIONALITY TO IT.
I MEAN, THE AREA ALONG OLD SMYRNA WAS AR MOSTLY.
AND I MEAN, WHEN THE AR IP ZONING WAS CREATED A FEW YEARS AGO, THE THOUGHT WAS THE ONLY PROPERTIES THAT WERE AR WOULD BE ALONG OLD SMYRNA ROAD WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
THE ZONING CODE SAYS THAT THE ONLY PART OF THE CITY THAT CAN GO TO AR IP WOULD BE ALONG THOSE AR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON OLD SMYRNA ROAD.
SO YOU CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T REZONE TO AR IP SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT WAS JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF MATCHED WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
THAT WAS SORT OF HOW THAT ZONING DISTRICT WAS TITLED WAS AR IP TO KEEP THAT SORT OF CONSISTENCY IN, IN ZONING ALONG OLD SMYRNA.
BUT IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK HAVE IT, IT DICTATES LOT SIZES SOMEWHAT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN IT HAS TO BE AGRICULTURAL NO, IT'S JUST AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL, ESSENTIALLY JUST LARGER LOTS.
WHEN YOU READ THE CODE, IT SPECIFIES THAT THERE, IT'S ZONED THAT WAY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, WHETHER IT'S ANIMALS OR CROPS OR SOMETHING.
BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT ZONED THE SAME WAY AS THE IDEA HERE ABOUT TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
WELL, I MEAN, THIS WAS REZONED A YEAR OR SO AGO TO A RIP, UM, FROM FROM FROM AR.
AND, UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR A RIP AND WITH THIS PLAN, UM, THEY, THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PROVIDING, UH, OR THE LOT SIZE HAS MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A RIP.
BUT IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE AGRICULTURAL OR THAT LOTS HERE WILL HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL ELEMENT.
IS SNEAD MANOR STILL AR OR ARE THEY O, S OR G? NO, IT'S AR IT'S STILL A R.
WELL, WE'LL GET YOU THOSE, A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE LOT SHIFTS.
AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY FOR LOT EIGHT.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT YES.
TO GET THAT ANSWERED OR NO? NO.
UM, SOMEBODY ARE GONNA USE THE EXISTING GUIDE IS THAT, WELL, THEY'RE GOING USE THE, IF YOU'LL GO TO SHEET, WHAT IS, UH, C TWO OVERALL? HOW ABOUT C3? OKAY.
UH, IF YOU'LL ZOOM INTO THE, CAN YOU THEN I CAN, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
THIS DRIVE HERE RIGHT IS ON LOT EIGHT AND SO LOT EIGHT'S ACCESS WILL BE FROM THAT DRIVE TODAY WOULD BUILD A NEW PRIVATE DRIVE THAT CONNECTS TO THIS SHARED DRIVE THAT'S A SHARED DRIVE.
IT'S JUST NOT ON THE MAP WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE DRIVE THEN.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO THE OTHER LOTS TO SIX AND SEVEN.
SO NEXT IS BPC 24 0 5 DASH OH OH ONE.
THIS IS A REVISED FINAL PLAT AT THE HIGHLANDS OF BELL REVE SUBDIVISION LOT 61.
UH, IT'S 63 30 SHADOW RIDGE COURT ZONING IS OSRD.
IT'S AT THE CORNER OF SHADOW RIDGE COURT.
UM, IT'S PERMITTABLE, GEORGIA.
LLC REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A REVISED FINAL PLAT FOR LOT 61.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO REVISE THE CURRENT RECORDED REAR SETBACK LINE FROM 50 FEET TO 30 FEET ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, IN ADDITION, AS A CLEANUP MEASURE, THE FRONT SETBACK, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 30 FEET, IS BEING REVISED TO 50 FEET, UM, TO A 50 FOOT SETBACK.
THE INTENT OF THIS OVERALL PROPOSAL, UH, IS TO INCREASE THE REAR BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOT.
THE REVISED SETBACKS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE OSRD TECHNICAL STANDARDS OF THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THIS IS ON THE REGULAR 'CAUSE WE DID HEAR CONCERNS FROM A NEIGHBOR, UH, NEXT DOOR.
AND SO, UM, BUT IT DOES MEET OUR, OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS.
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OSRD THAT WAS PLATTED WITH DIFFERENT SETBACKS, UM, AT THE TIME.BUT THIS REVISION STILL MEETS ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS.
SO WITH THAT STAFF REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE, THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
IS THERE A MERIT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PERSON'S HERE, THEY SAID THEY MIGHT BE HERE, BUT I DIDN'T.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THIS WAS ANY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER SETBACK ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MAKE.
I MEAN IT THAT THERE IS, UH, IT'S MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE FOR SETBACKS BY ADJUSTING THIS.
SO, BUT ORIGINALLY THE SUBDIVISION WAS PLATTED AT GREATER SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LOTS IN THERE HAD 50 FOOT REARS WHEN THEY WERE PLATTED.
AND THIS IS TO REDUCE IT TO 30, WHICH IS TODAY'S STANDARD WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IS THIS FOR A POOL? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK? IT'S, WE, WE THINK IT'S FOR A PROPOSED POOL.
THAT'S WHAT LOGIC WOULD SAY BACK THERE.
UM, SO ON THE ONE VIEW ON THE WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BACKYARD, UM, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY WELL TREE.
SO ONCE I, I KNOW THAT BEFORE THEY BUILD, WE ALWAYS HAVE TREE COUNTS AND WHATEVER.
DOES THAT APPLY? LIKE IF WE'RE MOVING THE SETBACK, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO CUT DOWN THE TREES OR THEY ARE, IT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT A HILLSIDE PROTECTION LOT.
IT'S, IT'S A, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S TRANSITIONAL.
UM, SO THEY'RE, WELL, I'M SORRY IF YOU CUT 'EM DOWN, WHETHER THEY MOVE THE SETBACKS OR NOT.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN 25 CALIPER INCHES.
THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT FOR REGULAR, REGULAR LANDFILL.
RESIDENTIAL LOTS, WHICH WE WOULD CHECK AT ANY SORT OF PERMIT STAGE IF THEY NO, I JUST MAYBE WONDERED IF THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN WAS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NICE MATURE TREES RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT REBUILDING JUST 'CAUSE IT KEEPS SAYING EXISTING HOUSE.
AND WHEN WE SEE THAT, THERE'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I THINK THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN WAS THAT THERE'S OTHER LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT WERE PLATTED WITH 50 FOOT REAR SETBACKS.
AND THIS WOULD BE SORT OF THE EXCEPTION THAT OKAY.
THAT ONE LOT WILL HAVE A 30 FOOT REAR SETBACK.
BUT, UM, THIS, THIS MEETS THE CODE, SO, YOU KNOW.
IF OTHERS CAME IN, I THINK WE WOULD LOOK AT IT THE SAME WAY.
THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE MEETING TODAY'S CODE.
SO THAT, BUT THEY, THEY DID TELL ME THEY WOULD POSSIBLY BE AT THIS MEETING, BUT NOT MONDAY NIGHT, NOT THERE MONDAY NIGHT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO PUT THIS ON CONSENT, YOU CAN, BUT IF YOU WANNA LEAVE IT ON REGULAR, YOU CAN WE PUT IT ON CONSENT AND IF THEY COME THEN WE CAN BUMP IT DOWN.
ANYBODY HAVE A OBJECTION? I THINK DO WE DO THAT DURING THE MEETING? YEAH, YOU ALWAYS, I THINK IF SOMEONE, OH YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS THINKING IF SOMEONE'S THERE, YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OFF CONSENT.
BUT THEY, THEY TOLD ME IT'S POSSIBLE THEY WOULD BE HERE THIS MORNING, BUT NOT THEY FOR OUT OF TOWN MONDAY.
SO YOU WANT US TO MOVE IT TO CONSENT? YES.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST ASK ANYONE HAS ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO YEP.
UH, NEXT FOUR CASES GO TOGETHER, SO, BUT WE'LL PRESENT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, SO ITEM TWO BPC 24 0 5 0 12.
THIS IS THE REVISED MASTER PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA AT 82 0 7 CONCORD ROAD.
CATALYST DESIGN GROUP REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A REVISED MASTER PLAN FOR THE BRENTWOOD YMCA.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE A NEW SHARED ACCESS DRIVEWAY WITH THE ADJOINING CONCORD ROAD CHURCH CHRIST, AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE EXISTING RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE YMCA PROPERTY.
THE NEW SHARED DRIVE WILL ALIGN WITH SUNNY HILL ROAD WHERE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS PROPOSED.
UM, LANE IMPROVEMENTS ON CONCORD ROAD WILL ALSO BE COORDINATED AS PART OF THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND REVIEWED BY OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, GREG JUDY.
THE GREG JUDY ACCEPTED THE FINDINGS OF THE TIS AND INDICATED THAT THE METHODOLOGY USED WAS APPROPRIATE.
FINAL REVIEW, UH, PRESENTED A FEW ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS BEYOND WHAT, UH, IS SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT SHALL REFER TO THE FINAL COMMENTS AND COORDINATE WITH CITY OFFICIALS IN PREPARATION OF THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTALS.
UH, THERE WAS ONE CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND, UH, STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE REVISED MASTER PLAN SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
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EXPLANATION HERE, IT REMOVES THE CENTER DRIVEWAY, THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON THE YMCA SITE.IT ALSO REMOVES THE DRIVEWAY ON THE CONCORD CHURCH.
YOU'LL SEE IN THE LATER CASES IT REMOVES THE DRIVEWAY ON THE, THE CONCORD, UH, CHURCH OF CHRIST AND, AND REROUTES THEIR ACCESS TO THIS SHARED ACCESS, UH, DRIVE WHERE THE NEW SIGNAL WILL BE LOCATED.
JUST, YOU SAID A PROPOSED TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? WHO APPROVES THAT? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEING APPROVED AS, AS PART OF, OF THIS, I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWED THAT IT WAS WARRANTED.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT TO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO TRAFFIC SIGNALS JUST BECAUSE, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE WARRANTED FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
AND THAT'S GREG JUDY REVIEWED THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THAT.
SO, UM, THIS PROPOSAL, THIS MASTER PLAN CHANGE AND THE SITE PLAN AND ALL THE, ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED INCLUDE THE TRAFFIC OR THE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND SO IT IS PART OF THIS, UH, PROPOSALS HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WILL BE INSTALLED.
AND DOES THAT GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION? HMM? DOES THAT GO TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL STATE? NO, THE STATE, YEAH.
IT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN, UH, NOT ON THE MASTER PLAN, BUT ON THE SITE PLAN IS THAT, UM, TDOT WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THIS ALSO BEFORE PERMITS ARE ISSUED.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S A REVISION TO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND I SENT OUT AN EMAIL THIS WEEK THAT SHOWED KIND OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF CASES.
YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS THE, KIND OF THE CONCEPT AND YOU HAVE SITE PLANS THAT ARE THE, THE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A FINAL PLAT THAT WILL PLA THE NEW ACCESS, JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT.
AND, UM, PLATS ARE KIND OF, UH, WHAT WITH HOW THEY GET DOCUMENTED AND RECORDED AT THE REGISTER OF DEEDS.
BUT, UM, SO ALL, ALL THESE ITEMS ARE, ARE SEPARATE CASES, BUT ARE COMPANION CASES HERE AS WE REVIEW THIS.
AND WHY WAS THIS WHEN THE Y WAS CONSOLIDATED AND REBUILT? WHY WAS THIS NOT PART OF THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL? I FEEL, SORRY.
I SUGGESTED AT THAT POINT IT, IT WAS DISCUSSED.
I MEAN, IT IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED AS THEY WEREN'T READY.
I GUESS THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLY ON, BUT IT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL AT THE, AT THE OUTSET.
I GUESS MY, MY VIEW IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE A VIEW TO WHAT'S HAPPENING OVERALL IN AREAS.
AND I, THIS MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE INCREMENTALLY APPROACHING A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND IT'S MANY BITES AT THE SAME APPLE TO GET WHAT ULTIMATELY IS WANTING.
AND IN THIS CASE, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT NOW, NOW WE'LL END UP HAVING FIVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WITHIN A ONE MILE DISTANCE.
IT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT IF YOU COUNT FRANKLIN ROAD IT EIGHT TRAFFIC LIGHTS WITHIN A 1.7 MILE DISTANCE.
BUT IT'S FIVE WITHIN A ONE MILE DISTANCE.
AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT CONCORD ROAD AND WHY IT WASN'T EXPANDED TO FOUR LANES EARLIER, THAT WAS BECAUSE I WAS TOLD WE DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER OLD HICKORY BOULEVARD LOOK THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR OF, OF WHAT'S NOW CONCORD ROAD.
NOW WE'VE GOT STOP AND GO TRAFFIC ON CONCORD ROAD ALMOST EVERY DAY, EVEN WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT.
AND WE'RE GONNA PUT FIVE TR HAVE FIVE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WITHIN A MILE, WE MIGHT AS WELL RENAME CONCORD ROAD, BROADWAY.
I MEAN IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW, AND THEN HOW MANY MORE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE FURTHER EAST WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GOING IN IN NOLANSVILLE AND BRENTWOOD OR ROSEBROOK, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TRANS TRAVERSE ACROSS CONCOR GROVE.
THAT'S THE WELL, AND I MEAN, THE OVERALL GOAL OF THIS IS TO HELP, EXCUSE ME, CONTROL THE, THE TRAFFIC.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF A SITE, IT DOES IT, IT CAN MAKE IT MORE CONGESTED FEELING.
AND SO HAVING ELIMINATING DRIVEWAYS ON THE YMCA SITE AND ON THE CHURCH SITE AND CONSOLIDATING THAT INTO ONE CONTROLLED ACCESS POINT, UM, SHOULD HELP IN CERTAIN TIMES AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, THAT TRAFFIC.
SO THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO, FROM A MICRO LEVEL TO IMPROVE THIS PART.
NOW, UM, I THINK DEREK OR KEVIN MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER BETTER WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE, UH, ALIGNING THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ARE OUT THERE SO THAT THEY'RE TIMED, UH, BE
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SYNCHRONIZED, SYNCHRONIZED AND TIMED TO WORK TOGETHER.I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT AND I, I, I CAN'T ANSWER IF THAT WAS PART OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT OVERALL FROM A MICRO LEVEL, THIS, THIS SHOULD HELP AT THIS SITE TO HAVE LESS DRIVEWAYS AND A, A COORDINATED ACCESS POINT.
UM, BUT THAT I THINK GOES ALONG WITH SYNCHRONIZING THE SIGNALS.
UH, FROM A MACRO STANDPOINT, RIDING A CONCORD ROAD WAS BEFORE ME.
I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT, BUT WE DID, THE CITY BOUGHT ENOUGH LAND, SO I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS TDOT WHO DROVE THE PLAN FOR CONCORD ROAD.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
BUT BACK TO THIS ONE, JUST TO, UH, ANOTHER THING, THERE'S BEEN SOME LETTERS GOING AROUND THIS WEEK ABOUT HOW CROWDED THE WHOLE YMCA IS NOT JUST THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT A LETTER BACK FROM THE, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FROM THE, FROM THE Y THAT CONNECTION TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS GONNA ALLOW THE EMPLOYEES TO PARK ON THE CHURCH OF CHRIST PARKING LOT AND FREE UP MORE PARKING SPACES OVER THERE.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER RELATION NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH OF CHRIST AND WHY? 'CAUSE LIKE MICHAEL AND I WERE JUST TALKING, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE WHEN THIS THING WAS FIRST TALKED ABOUT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST SAID NO.
AND EVIDENTLY THEY'VE GOTTEN IT SMOOTHED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK THERE, I THINK MY WIFE GOES TO Y EVERY MORNING AND SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT SHE'S ALSO SAYS, GETTING THOSE EMPLOYEES OUT THERE WILL FREE UP SOME MORE SPOTS.
AND SUMMER'S REALLY TOUGH AS TO Y WELL I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE PARKING TOO.
WE, THEY CONSOLIDATED TWO Y'S, THEY ADDED A FEW SPOTS, THREE Y'S AS THEY CLOSED THE ONE AT CHRIST CHURCH TOO.
AND THEY, AND WE BUILT THIS BUILDING, THEY HAVE THE PARKING LOT, THEY ADDED A FEW SPOTS.
BUT TO ME, EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY, IT'S COMPLETELY FULL.
SO IS THERE ANY, UM, I GUESS THIS IS TO THE Y ARE YOU PLANNING TO, LIKE, ARE THEY GONNA FILL THE PARKING DECK AT SOME POINT? I CAN'T DO THAT.
I'M, I'M NOT THE FUNDING FOR THAT AT ARM.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT MANY THINGS WHEN WE FIRST DID THE EXPANSION PROJECT.
UH, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER FOR WITH CAMPUS DESIGN GROUP.
BUT THE, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF THE SHARED DRIVEWAY AND THE LIGHT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT WAS DESIRED.
THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT AND THE CHURCH OR THEY WEREN'T OBJECTING TO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, I DON'T THINK THEY DIDN'T WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THE COST AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO THE Y IS FUNDING ALL THIS ON THEIR OWN.
UM, THEY DECIDED AFTER THEY'RE OPERATING THAT THEY, IT'S JUST DESIRED BY THEIR CLIENTELE AND THE, THE GETTING IN AND OUT THE OF THE DRIVEWAYS THERE, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AND, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DANGER FEAR, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE VISITORS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY DECIDED TO FOREGO THE COST AND, AND, AND UNTIL IT ALL WENT ON.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IN THE PAST THERE WAS NOT AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE Y.
WOULD THERE EVER BE A, NOT AN AGREEMENT EVEN AFTER IT'S BUILT WHERE THE CHURCH WOULD SAY, THIS IS OUR LOT AND NO LONGER CAN THE Y EMPLOYEES, THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE ITEMS BEING THE PLAT.
IT RECORDS AN EASEMENT THAT WILL GRANT THE CHURCH ACCESS FOREVER.
ISN'T THERE AN, UH, AN ACCESS TO THE CHURCH ON THE SUBDIVISION SIDE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE? YEAH, THERE IS.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I GET BACKED UP IN TRAFFIC COMING OUTTA THE WILD, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, YOU GOT THAT NEW ROAD I'M GONNA TURN RIGHT AND I'M GONNA SPILL OUT INTO THAT SUBDIVISION AND TAKE IT OVER TO WILSON PIKE CIRCLE IF I LIVED.
Y'ALL SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA, IF YOU'VE GOT THAT CONNECTED ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA, INSTEAD OF TURNING RIGHT AND GOING UP SITTING SIT AT ONE LIGHT AND THEN SITTING AT ANOTHER LIGHT, I'M GONNA TURN RIGHT AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT AND CUT RIGHT ON TWIN SPRINGS ROAD.
JUST DRIVE CAREFULLY ON IT, THAT'S ALL.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S A, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT WHOLE THING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE Y MONTHS AGO AND THE CHURCH WAS THE ISSUE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND HOW TO GET OUT OF THE CHURCH SAFELY AND ALL THE OTHER GOOD STUFF.
AND BASICALLY IF THEY'RE NOW TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH AND THE Y THAT THAT LIGHT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE FOR 'EM, THEN THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.
'CAUSE WE DID HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON THAT MONTHS AGO WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE Y AND WHAT IMPACT IT WAS GOING TO HAVE ON THE CHURCH.
SO, BUT YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS ON THAT SIDE THAT ARE GONNA BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED, PULL ON TWIN SPRINGS STREET AND THEN ALSO BE HELPED INCLUDING FLASHING.
UH, IF IT GOES ON A TIME FLASHING AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, MS. SULLIVAN'S RIGHT THERE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE Y ALREADY HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LITTLE LIGHT POLLUTION.
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RELIEVE TWIN SPRINGS ROAD FROM THE CHURCH SINCE THE NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE TWIN SPRINGS ROAD TO LEAVE THE CHURCH? OR IS THERE ALREADY A DRIVEWAY THERE? BUT WITH THE LIGHT, A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T GET ON TWIN STREET DRIVE.YEAH, WE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO CONCORD.
THERE, THERE IS A, UH, ACCESS THERE ALREADY.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING A LEFT AS EASY.
YOU'RE PROBABLY COMING OUT TURNING LIGHT TO TOUCH ON STEVE'S.
I MEAN, SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE THE PEOPLE AT 8 8 21 OR MAYBE 13, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE LIGHT POLLUTION IF IT'S FLASHING THAT I THINK THAT, THAT THEY DON'T, WELL THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES THERE.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, KURT SAID WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING THE LIGHT OVER ON THE NEW LIGHT ON FRANKLIN AND WE, AND THE NEW ONE BY THE, BY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, GRANNY WHITE, IS THAT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FLASH BE BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE DON'T, CAN'T SLEEP.
'CAUSE WELL, WELL NO, JUST BECAUSE THEN IT'S, THEY GET YEAH, THEY GET CONFUSED AS TO, YOU KNOW, OH IT WAS FLASH, YOU KNOW, BUT HE SAID THEY DON'T CHANGE 'EM IN THE SUMMER AND THEY DON'T CHANGE 'EM AT NIGHT AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO I THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW FURTHER DOWN IN CONCORD THEY DO HAVE TIME FLASHING.
I LIKE
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PLANS FOR EXPANSION OF THE Y OR ANY OTHER CHANGES AT THE Y YEAH, THAT'S, I WAS GONNA ASK 'CAUSE ON THE, ON THE ONE PLAN THERE, ONE THAT YOU SHOWED US, THERE WERE TWO AREAS IN ORANGE MM-HMM.
NOT BUILT, RIGHT? IS THAT YEAH, THEY HAVE TO PROPOSED THE UPPER LEVEL.
THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN ALREADY HAS A EXTENSION KIND INTO THE POOL DECK AREA.
AND I THINK, UM, YEAH, YEAH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THERE WE GO.
THAT THE ORANGE AREAS, IS THAT RIGHT? THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT WITH THIS PROPOSAL THAT, THAT'S CURRENT.
SO THE CURRENT PARKING, THE, THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENT INCLUDES THOSE POTENTIAL EXPANSIONS ON THE MASTER.
LET THIS CHANGE THE FIELDS DOWN THERE.
THE CURRENT, THE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY THREE PATRONS.
AND I'M NOT, TODD MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT, THAT'S IN OUR CODE.
UM, SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 362 PARKING SPACES, SPACES THERE.
THERE'S CURRENTLY 432 SPACES WITH THIS, THESE CHANGES, THEY'LL, THEY'LL LOSE FIVE PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH TO GAIN OFFSITE SPACES THAT WILL HELP THEM FOR EMPLOYEES.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL OVER THE, THE REQUIRED PARKING, UM, CURRENTLY.
SO THESE ADDITIONS, UH, WOULD TAKE UP SOME OF THAT.
BUT I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIRED PARKING SPACES MOST LIKELY WHEN THEY ADD THOSE ORANGE AREAS OR IF THEY ADD THOSE ORANGE AREAS AND THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SPECIFIED NUMBER OF, UH, PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES ON THE CHURCH SIDE? I, I'M THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
I WASN'T, WASN'T AWARE OF THAT EITHER.
BUT IT'S JUST A SIMPLE STATEMENT.
EMPLOYEES WILL PARK OVER THERE.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE UM, WHERE EXACTLY THE WATER LINES ARE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE ON CONCORD ROAD AND CONCORD ROAD NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN EVERY NIGHT OR EVERY WEEKEND OR WHATEVER TO MOVE THOSE WATER LINES, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY THERE.
BUT JUST GIVEN HOW EDMONDSON PIKE IS WITH THEM CLOSING EVERY WEEKEND JUST TO, THE WATER LINES ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PARKING LOT, OTHERWISE, SO THEY COME UP SO IT WON'T AFFECT TRAFFIC TO, I WOULDN'T SEE HOW, BUT UH, I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD WHERE THEY WANT TO MOVE WHEN THEY CUT, HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE OTHER THAN MAYBE WHEN WE FILLED THE DRIVEWAY, IT MAY INCREASE THE DEPTH OVER 'EM IS THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING THAT MAY BE A CONCERN.
SO HOW, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK EXACTLY, BECAUSE I, I LIVE ON SUNNY HILL ROAD.
BUT THE CHURCH PARKING LOT IS LITERALLY AT, AT ABOUT A 30 DEGREE ANGLE THIS WAY.
AND SO IF CURRENTLY THE LITTLE DRIVEWAY THAT'S A SERVICE DRIVEWAY BESIDES THE BESIDE THE Y GOES DOWNHILL, WILL THIS, UH, FINAL UH, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THIS DRIVEWAY ALSO GO DOWNHILL? IT'LL SLOW DOWN, BUT NOT LIKE THE SERVICE DRIVE.
IS IT GONNA BE BUILT UP SOMEWHAT? YES.
AND YOU, SO YOU MIGHT GIVE IT A SITE PLAN I GUESS, OF THAT.
SO YOU'VE GOT ONE EXIT OUT OF THERE, UH, EXCUSE ME, TWO EXITS OUT OF THERE.
A STRAIGHT A LEFT AND A AND A RIGHT TURN AND ONE ENTRANCE IN.
AND HOW DOES THAT QUEUING WORK? HOW FAR BACK DOES THAT QUEUING GO? DO YOU KNOW? CAN'T REMEMBER.
THERE'S THREE, THREE QUEUING SPOTS RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S DRIVEWAYS SORT OF ON, ON EITHER IF YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN.
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YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE SITE PLAN.YEAH, WE CAN SHOW, WE'LL HAVE BETTER PLANS WITH THAT ITEM.
NOW, NOW THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY STAYS PUT, RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, THE MIDDLE ONE'S BEING REMOVED.
AND THAT ENTIRE STAND OF TREES HAVE YOU, UH, THE LONG STAND OF TREES ALONG THAT? NOT THE ENTIRE STAND, BUT BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AGAIN, I, I THINK WE'LL HAVE BETTER PLANS WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN FOR THE LAW HERE.
OKAY, SO THE ASSOCIATED CASE, THE, THE REVISED, UH, WHAT'S THAT'S THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, THE YMCA IS, UH, JUST THE SITE PLAN FOR THE Y PORTION OF THIS.
AND I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT THERE ARE, WE HAVE A CLOSER VIEW OF THAT.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE RESPONSE HERE.
BUT THEN I MEAN THERE, THERE WILL BE SPACE FOR QUEUING ON, ON THIS SIDE AND ON THIS SIDE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT HAVING LIGHT OR GETTING BETTER INTERSECTION IS A GOOD, A BAD, GOOD OR BAD IDEA INDEPENDENTLY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE PEOPLE, I'M JUST WORRIED IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THE Y TRAFFIC WORKS, ESPECIALLY DURING, WHEN THEIR CLASS IS GOING, YOU HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO LEAVE AS ARRIVE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNINGS BEFORE NOON.
AND SO IF THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW.
NEVERMIND, I I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THEY'RE, THE CROSS TRAFFIC MIGHT BE AN ISSUE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE QUEUING UP TO TRY TO LEAVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT DRIVE AT ALL THE ACCESS DRIVE.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE? WELL, I WAS JUST WORRIED.
I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT.
I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO LEAVE AS PEOPLE WERE ACCIDENT.
BUT I I WAS JUST CONFUSED THERE.
SO WHEN THEY CLOSE UP, THE OLD, THE CURRENT, UM, DRIVE, THEY'LL GAIN SPOTS, PARKING SPOTS THERE.
THE PARKING WILL BE ADJUSTED IN WHERE THAT CURRENT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT IS.
SO THEY GAIN SOME BACK THERE, BUT OVERALL AT THE END, BUT THEY STILL LOSE FIVE SPACES.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT? UM, WELL I GUESS WHEN WE GET TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, I JUST WANNA LOOK AT THE PRESCHOOL.
DROP OFF AREAS AND STUFF BECAUSE THEY COME IN THAT THEY USED TO ANYHOW COME IN THAT DRIVE BECAUSE THE PRESCHOOL ENTRANCE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE Y SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO YEAH, WE CAN, OKAY, LOOK AT THAT.
SO THEN THE NEXT IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST AT 82 21 CONCORD ROAD.
SO THE EXACT SAME POINTS, IT'S JUST FOR A SEPARATE ITEM.
THOSE ARE ON SEPARATE PROPERTY.
SO THE DRAFTS BEING ELIMINATED, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, THE EXISTING DRIVE IS ELIMINATED AND THEN, AND IT TIES INTO THIS OR THE SIGNAL JUST PROPOSED.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION RELATED TO THE LAST ONE.
UM, IN THAT SERVICE ROAD THAT GOES BESIDE, CURRENTLY GOES BESIDE, IS THAT STILL GONNA BE A SERVICE ROAD? YES.
AND BECAUSE TRUCKS PULL DOWN IN THERE AND THEY PARK BY THE BACK DOOR, THEY STOP.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A PROBLEM 'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GO AROUND 'EM.
BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO IN AND GO AROUND THEM TO GET TO THE PARKING LOT.
IS THAT NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE OR IS IT, WILL THERE BE A WIDER SPOT THERE? THEY'LL HAVE TO GO FURTHER IN BY BESIDE THE BUILDING BEYOND THE INTERSECTION AND IT'S THE CITY ASKED FOR IT TO BE SIGNED TO LIKE, UM, MAINTENANCE ONLY OR LOADING ZONE OR SOMETHING.
DON'T GO IN THERE ACCIDENTALLY FOR SOME REASON.
AND, AND THE TO NOTE TOO THAT THE TRAFFIC ENTERING HAS FREE FLOW.
IT CAN COME IN AND, AND GO EITHER DIRECTION, OTHER TWO FROM, FROM THE Y EXITING AND FROM CHURCH EXITING, THEY HAVE TO STOP AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY.
AND THERE'S SIGNS TO NOT BLOCK THE INTERSECTION SO THE CONTINUAL FLOW CAN COME OFF A CONCORD NOT BACK UP.
SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THEY, SO, SO PEOPLE COME IN FOR THE PRESCHOOL DROP OFF AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE
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THERE NOW.THERE USED TO BE ABOUT 40 OR 60, UM, COMING IN OFF OF CONCORD ROAD AND THEN HAVING TO MAKE A LEFT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, WHICH PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT BE WALKING.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY'LL NEED TO ACCESS THE CHURCH OF CHRIST LOT TO DROP THE KIDS OFF.
IF YOU LIVE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AT CONCORD AND WILSON PIKE IN, IN, IN PRE PREVIOUSLY TO THIS ACCESS, YOU'D HAVE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO CONCORD ROAD.
THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SIT IN THE QUEUE TO TURN RIGHT ON WILSON PI.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS SPLIT LOG AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE GONNA CUT THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT INTO TWIN SPRINGS AND GO DOWN AND TAKE A RIGHT OFF TWIN SPRINGS.
AND IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO COME OUT OF TWIN SPRINGS ON THE WILSON PIKE CIRCLE, YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE INTO YOUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE THE, THE, THE LIMITED, LIMITED SITE.
AND I JUST, I, AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THAT SUBDIVISION OF TWIN SPRINGS.
IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE TRAFFIC IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT I UNDERSTAND MAY HAVE THOUGHT THE CONNECTIONS TO THE ROADS, BUT TO OFFSET YOUR ARGUMENT, IF I WAS AT THE Y TODAY AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC D CONCORD ROAD, I COULD GO OUT THE RIDE OUT AND THEN TURN INTO IN SPRINGS AND IT'D BE JUST THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOING THROUGH THE CHURCH.
YOU COULD, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE WILL CUT THROUGH HERE? YEAH.
THEY'LL THROUGH VERSUS THEY COULD ALREADY TAKE A RIGHT IN THERE AND CUT THROUGH.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A LIGHT BACKING UP TRAFFIC AND, AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN 'EM WHEN IT'S BACKED UP THAT FAR CUT THROUGH, COME UP THAT WAY.
SO WILL THAT INCREASE IT? WE DON'T REALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS ATTENTION TO AND, AND VICE VERSA COMING THE OTHER WAY, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM DOWN SPLIT LOG ROAD AREA.
WELL, YEAH, NOW YOU'RE GONNA, NOW YOU'RE JUST GONNA TURN, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TURN TWIN SPRINGS, I'M GONNA CUT THROUGH THE, 'CAUSE NOW I'VE GOT AN ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE LIGHT AT THE CORNER OF, OF CONCORD WILSON PIKE AND THE LIGHT GOING INTO THE Y I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA COME DOWN TWIN SPRINGS, I'M GONNA TURN THROUGH THE CHURCH PARKING LOT AND I'M GONNA COME THROUGH THAT ACCESS ROAD.
I THINK THAT SECOND POINT IS MORE VALID BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GETTING FROM TWIN SPRINGS TAKING A LEFT ON CONCORD.
BUT NOW IF YOU CAN BYPASS CONCORD FROM TWIN SPRINGS TO GET INTO THE YI DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY DO IT, BUT IT'S A GOOD RELIEF TO GET YEAH.
ENOUGH PEOPLE START FINDING OUT, THEY'LL FIND MAZEL SEND THROUGH.
I'M TAKING A FROM WILSON PIPE TO TAKE THAT LEFT ON TWIN SPRINGS.
I I THINK THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU HAD A CLEAN SHEET OF PAPER AND YOU WERE STARTING OVER, THERE YOU GO.
YOU DESIGNED EVERYTHING DIFFERENTLY.
WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE BITES OF THAT APPLE, AS YOU SAID.
AND, AND, AND I DO THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERNS, BUT I DO THINK JUST AS IS IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, KEN, THAT THAT IS TRUE.
THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION.
WE'VE GOT A GIANT BUSINESS, A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO.
SO THERE IS, WE CAN'T ACCESS IT HERE, BUT THERE IS A, A, AN INDEPENDENT TRACK TRAFFIC STUDY BY, UM, MR. JUDY, OR HE JUST REVIEWED THE ONE THEY PROVIDED.
HE JUST REVIEWED THE ONE THAT THEY SUBMITTED AND, AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT ON OUR OKAY.
BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE IT.
I DON'T, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IF NOT, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S OUT THERE.
UM, AND SO THE LAST ITEM THAT GOES WITH THIS IS BPC 24 0 5 DASH OH OH NINE.
THIS IS THE REVISED FINAL PLAT AND, UM, PURPOSE OF THE PLAT.
IT, IT CREATES THE, THE JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT, UM, THAT ALLOWS THE CONCORD CHURCH OF CHRIST TO SORT OF CROSS OVER ONTO THIS PROPERTY AND USE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
JUST AS A PROCEDURAL MATTER, IS IT POSSIBLE DURING AN AND, AND I'M NOT COMMITTING ANYBODY IN ANY WAY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO APPROVE THE REVISED MASTER PLAN BUT NOT APPROVE THE SITE PLANS? UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
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AND A REVISED MASTER PLAN, LIKE LET'S SAY WE ADOPT ITEM TWO, REVISED MASTER PLAN.UM, DOES THAT MEAN IF THEY COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SITE PLAN? BUT THEY WE'RE, WE'RE GUARANTEEING THEM THAT ENTRANCE THERE.
SO IF WE, IF WE APPROVE, LET'S JUST SAY THEY JUST BROUGHT THE MASTER PLAN TO US.
IF APPROVE THE MA, IF YOU APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN, THEN I THINK AT SOME POINT THE SITE, IF THE SITE PLANS MATCH THAT, THEN YOU'LL NEED TO APPROVE.
SO THE CONCEPT OF, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY WITH THE MASTER PLAN, WE'RE APPROVING THE CONCEPT OF AN INTERSECTION THERE, RIGHT? THAT HOPEFULLY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE A LIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT IF THERE'S NO LIGHT.
RIGHT? YOU'RE APPROVING THE CONCEPT WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN WHEN THE SITE PLANS ARE, ARE PRESENTED THAT THEN YOU'RE APPROVING SORT OF THE, THE DETAILS, THE DETAILS, ENGINEERING DETAILS THAT GO WITH, WITH THAT MASTER PLAN.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU SHOULD APPROVE THE SITE PLANS AND THE PLAT.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T TAKE THOSE ONE AT A TIME.
RIGHT? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE AND SAY APPROVE ONE AND NOT APPROVE THE OTHER.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN HOLD ON THE SITE PLANS.
BUT WHEN THE SITE PLANS ARE IN, IN FRONT OF YOU, THEY ARE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THIS MEETING.
BUT IF, IF YOU CHOSE TO DEFER THOSE, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TO DEFER ALL THREE OF THOSE ITEMS AND TAKE THEM TOGETHER AT SOME POINT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IN CASE THINGS COME UP ON MONDAY, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S TWO SITE PLANS, A PLAT AND A MASTER PLAN.
HOW LONG DO THEY THINK, LIKE WHEN WOULD THEY START THIS PROCESS? 'CAUSE DO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR TDOT THEN TO APPROVE THE LIGHT FIRST? WHEN WOULD CONSTRUCTION BEGIN? YEAH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMING WOULD BE ON THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T TOLD ME A TIMING, BUT I ASSUME THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEEN WANTING THIS.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DELAYED A LITTLE BIT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS SUBMITTED CORRECTLY.
UM, BUT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO TDOT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM TDOT.
UM, BUT I KNOW THEY WOULD WANT Y'ALL TO APPROVE FIRST.
AND THEN HOW LONG IS THE PROCESS DO YOU THINK, TO FROM START TO FINISH? SIX MONTHS, ONCE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, YOU'RE ASKING.
I GUESS IT'LL BE A MONTH OR TWO.
SO THE, THE LAST ITEM IS DPC 24 0 6 DASH OH OH FOUR.
A REVISED SITE PLAN, BARON OFFICE BUILDING AT 50 23.
HARPETH DRIVE ZONING IS C FOUR INGRAM CIVIL ENGINEERING GROUP REQUESTS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 50 23 HARPETH DRIVE.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING, HAVING AN AREA OF 7,200 SQUARE FEET ON 0.52 ACRES.
THE SITE WILL HAVE 24 PARKING SPACES, DECORATIVE STREET FURNITURE, SIDEWALKS, STREET LIGHTING, AND ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE C FOUR ZONING DISTRICT ARE BEING MET.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL AT THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 6TH, 2021, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THAT PROPOSAL INCLUDED A LARGER 11,200 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, THAT PLAN NEVER MOVED FORWARD.
IT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED AND THE PROPERTY WAS EVENTUALLY SOLD TO THE CURRENT OWNER.
UM, THERE'S THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND, UH, STAFF REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF REPORT.
AND WE JUST, WE PUT THIS ON REGULAR BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS A, A NEW BUILDING THAT WE FELT LIKE, UM, WE TYPICALLY PUT THOSE ON REGULAR, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, ANY OPPOSITION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THIS ONE.
IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO MOVE IN FOR CONSENT? DON'T, IS IT GONNA BE COMMERCIAL USE OR IS IT GONNA BE UH, OFFICE COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY IT LOOKS.
I'M LIKE, THAT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF A STOREFRONT, NOT A YEAH, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE POINT OF C FOUR.
IT'S TRYING TO HAVE MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BUILT TO THE STREET AND MAY MAYBE LOOK A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL, BUT IT IS, IT IS AN OFFICE.
IS IT MEDICAL OFFICE OR NO, NO, NO.
IT, IT IS JUST GENERAL OFFICE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR MEDICAL OR RETAIL.
SO THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC.
CAN WE TO CONSENT THEN? NO, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE FOR THIS TIME.
WE'LL GET GREG, JUDY, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC DISCUSSION MONDAY NIGHT