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          OKAY, WE'LL 
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GET MOVING. 
          TRY TO BE 
          [ Brentwood City Commission Briefing June 6, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the June 10th Agenda, the below item will be discussed:  Next Steps in Finalizing Plan for the City Manager Recruitment Process This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME HERE. 
          SO NO, UM, NO PRE-MEETINGS. 
          YOUR BOARD OR ECD OR ANYTHING. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE THE LEADERSHIP THREE LEADERSHIP BRENTWOOD GROUPS. 
          COMING TO BRIEFLY OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECTS FOR YOU. 
          WE DID THAT LAST YEAR. 
          UM, SENT SOME SLIDES FOR US. 
          UH, THEN WE HAVE THE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUDGET, TAX RATE, CIP, CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IS A TECHNOLOGY RELATED ITEM. 
          IT'S RENEWAL OF OUR, UM, MIMECAST, WHICH IS A LOT OF OUR NETWORK SECURITY RELATED STUFF RELATED TO EMAIL AND OTHER THINGS. 
          UH, THIS AGREEMENT IS WITH PRESIDIO, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PROVIDER OF THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE TECHNICALLY REQUESTING A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDS TO CONTINUE THROUGH PRESIDIO. 
          LAST YEAR WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, INITIALLY THEY GAVE US A PRICE LESS THAN WHAT THE STATE CONTRACT PRICE WOULD'VE BEEN FROM ANOTHER VENDOR. 
          AND SO TECHNOLOGIES REQUESTING BELIEF THAT WE WOULD STILL GETTING A GOOD PRICE AND JUST HAVING THE SAME INTEGRATOR, UH, PROVIDER OF THAT AS A BENEFIT TO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, JUST UNDER $55,000. 
          REMIND ME WHAT THE, UH, IS THAT A INCREASE, DECREASE OR THE SAME PRICE AS, UH, THE PREVIOUS TERM? SARAH ASKED IF SHE NEEDED TO BE HERE. 
          I SAID NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          , I'LL, I'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU AND LET YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, WELL, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE BUDGETED 55 AND THIS CAME IN AT 50, UH, FOUR AND 10, YEAH, I THINK THEY HAD THAT NUMBER. 
          YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HAD THE QUOTE, SO, BUT I, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS IF IT AN INCREASE OR NOT FROM LAST YEAR. 
          I'M GUESSING IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'LL CHECK. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MIMECAST IS A PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY I SEE THE MOST IN THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WITH YOUR EMAILS AND ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR OTHER ISSUE RELATED TO CYBER. 
          THERE'S STILL NO INDICATION OF ANY COMPROMISE OF ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF CLOSING THAT OUT. 
          WE STILL HAVE A FEW HOURS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THAT FIRM, SO WE'LL KEEP THEM IF NEEDED. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, NOTHING HAS, HAS COME UP. 
          SO, UH, ITEM TWO IS AN AGREEMENT FOR DAVE WITH SPORT SPORTS SURFACE PROS, LLC TO RESURFACE TENNIS COURTS AT GRANTING WHITE. 
          AND CROCKETT CAME IN WELL UNDER BUDGET. 
          DAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE JUST ULTRA CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR BUDGET ESTIMATE OR, WELL, WE, WE HAD SOME REPAIRS DONE THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND WE JUST GOT AN ESTIMATE FROM THEM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WENT OFF OF AND THEY WERE HIGH. 
          SOME OF THE QUOTES DID COME IN HIGH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          SO ONE OF THEM, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, TOTAL HERE IS 60,522,000 AT GRANNY WHITE AND 38 5 FOR CROCKETT FOUR AT GRANNY WHITE. 
          AND IS IT ALL SEVEN AT CROCKETT? YES, SIR. 
          UM, THE GRANNY WHITE WORK IS ACTUALLY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          SO YOUR PLAN IS TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE JUNE 30TH? YEP. 
          WE'LL MOVE IN HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THEN CROCKETT WILL CARRY OVER INTO JULY, WHICH IS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND. 
          AND DAVE IS ASKING FOR A CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCE OF $7,500 IN CASE I GUESS UNFORESEEN CRACKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT NEED SOME REPAIR. 
          IS THERE, CAN YOU GO AND PUT A SIGN UP THERE WHEN THE COURTS WILL BE CLOSED? WE'LL, WE'LL, LIKE IN THE COMING. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY WIDESPREAD ON THE COST. 
          UM, I, I ASSUME IT'S SPORTS SURFACE PROS. 
          WE'VE USED THEM BEFORE WE DID IT. 
          THEY DID IT BACK IN 19, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS VARIATION IN QUOTE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A PERCENTAGE THAT'S HIGH, BUT YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          IF IT WAS SOMEBODY WE HADN'T WORKED WITH OR NO, A LITTLE MORE, GIVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THE REPAIR STUFF. 
          WHAT'S THAT? THEY, THE ONE NO, THEY DID NOT DO THE REPAIRS. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY I, THEY JUST, WE REACHED OUT TO CORN PENNINGTON, OUR TENANT, AND THEY DID THE REPAIRS FOR US, SO IT MAY HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO WE MAY NEED TO KEEP, THEY'RE JUST MORE LOCAL THAT THEY COULD GET OUT THERE AND GET THOSE REPAIRS DONE QUICKLY FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THREE AND FOUR ARE RENEWALS OF THE, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENTS. 
          THAT WATER MAINTAINS AN ANNUAL BASIS WHERE AS YOU ALL APPROVE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE CAPITAL PLAN FOR WATER SEWER, THEN DESIGN AND ENGINEERING WORKS FOR THOSE PROJECTS ARE ASSIGNED 
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TO THESE FIRMS, UH, ON A TASK ORDER BASIS. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS WITH SSR, AND THE SECOND ONE IS WITH KEITH. 
          GOAT AND DAVIS BOTH HAVE CURRENT PROJECTS IN THE WORKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          ONGOING PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ASKING TO RENEW THOSE FOR, UH, UP TO THREE YEARS. 
          IS THAT RIGHT, CHRIS? YES. 
          AND WE PROVIDED YOU, THEY'RE ALWAYS A CONCERN FOR US IS THAT WE DON'T GET VIEWED AS HAVING A CLOSED SHOP, SO TO SPEAK, WITH ENGINEERING SERVICES. 
          SO WE PROVIDED YOU A LIST OF OTHER FIRMS IN THERE THAT WE HA WE DO WORK WITH CURRENTLY OR HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          UH, IF IT'S A SPECIALIZED PROJECT LIKE THE TANK PROJECT OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE'LL GO OUT FOR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND SELECT THE FIRM. 
          IF IT'S KIND OF SMALLER ONGOING PROJECTS, WE WOULD RATHER, UH, HAVE THOSE ENGINEERS UNDER CONTRACT AND ASSIGN TASK ORDERS WITH ALREADY APPROVED HOURLY RATES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO SET UP IN PLACE. 
          SO THAT'S THREE AND FOUR. 
          UM, FIVE IS RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FURNITURE PURCHASE FOR NEW FURNITURE HERE RELATED TO THE RENOVATIONS AT CITY HALL. 
          THAT IS WITH HENDRICKSON. 
          THE PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM SOLICITED THREE BIDS FROM LOCAL FURNITURE REPRESENTATIVE OR, UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS. 
          AND HENDRICKSON WAS THE LOW QUOTE AT 3 4, 4, 6, 7, 5. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A VARIETY OF, UH, MANUFACTURERS THERE FOR A VARIETY OF, YOU SEE THE BULK OF THIS IS UNDER CO-OP PURCHASING THE OMNIA ITEMS, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF ASKING YOU TO OBVIOUSLY WANNA BUY EVERYTHING FROM ONE VENDOR, CORRECT? NOT NECESSARILY ONE MANUFACTURER, BUT ONE VENDOR. 
          SO THE OMNIA ONES THERE, UM, OUR, UM, $255,906 UNDER THE PURCHASE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING. 
          THEN THERE'S A CUMULATIVE, ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 72,000 THAT WE WOULD BE BUYING DIRECT THROUGH A WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDDING THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THE, UH, COOPERATIVE PURCHASING ITEMS. AND THE BULK OF THAT ON THAT LIST, YOU SEE IS SOME GUEST CD CHAIRS FOR OFFICES. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA ASK THEM TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS, UM, THAT ARE ABOUT THE SAME PRICE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT END UP BEING UNDER OMNIA, BUT AS OF NOW FOR THE BID, THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT THE INSTALLATION PRICING. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A FUNDING CONTINGENCY, FUNDING AUTHORIZATION OF ROUGHLY 10% OR 34,000 BECAUSE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THEY'LL PROBABLY NEED AN EXTRA CHAIR HERE OR AN EXTRA BOOK CASE THERE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF, OF CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCE THERE. 
          ARE THEY, ARE WE TAKING DELIVERY KIND OF IN PHASES? YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER CHALLENGE HERE. 
          FOR THE CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCES, MOST OF THE STUFF IS IN THE FIRST TWO PHASES, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN GET ORDERED NOW AND ALL THAT, BUT THE LOBBY STUFF, AND SOME OF THAT WILL BE NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR A MANUFACTURER PRICE INCREASE THAT THEY CAN'T CONTROL. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT MUCH, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THE CONTINGENCY. 
          BUT YEAH, IT WILL BE, UM, DONE IN PHASES WITH THE BUILDING SO THAT EACH DEPARTMENT CAN GOING TO GET BACK ONCE WE'RE YEAH. 
          ONCE A PHASE IS DONE, WE'VE GOT THAT FURNITURE READY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE NOT KEEPING FURNITURE, WHAT ALL'S GOING IN ALL THESE STORAGE? WELL, WE ARE KEEPING SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          SOME OF THE NEWER STUFF WE HAD IN SOME OF THE OFFICES IS COMING BACK INTO SOME OFFICE. 
          THE BULK OF WHAT'S OUT THERE IS STUFF THAT'S SURPLUS AND WE JUST CAN'T TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY SURPLUS AUCTION UNTIL THIS FALL. 
          SO WE'RE JUST HAVING TO STORE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO BUDGET? WELL, THE, UH, THE ALLOWANCE WE HAD WHEN WE PRESENTED YOU THE OVERALL CONTRACT HAD 500,000 FOR FURNITURE. 
          SO WE CAME IN MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I DID NOTICE SOME OF THE DESKS WERE TO REMAIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THANKS FOR WORKING TO TRY TO UTILIZE WHAT WE STILL HAVE. 
          STILL HAVE . 
          YEAH. 
          THE 25, 30-YEAR-OLD STUFF WAS GOING AWAY. 
          LIKE, LIKE WHEN SOME OF THE NEWER AREAS THAT WERE RENOVATED IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS AND GOT NEW FURNITURE AT THAT TIME, THAT'S THE FURNITURE THAT'S BEING REUSED. 
          AND, AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE TY DESIGN AND STYLE CHOICES WILL BE ABLE TO LAST FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS IF THE FURNITURE DOES WELL. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT UTILITARIAN. 
          THEY'RE THE SIT STAND DESK TYPE THING, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY THE BIG WOODEN KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO THEY'RE, UH, A STANDARD DARK WOOD TYPE, UM, COLOR. 
          I'VE GOT A SAMPLE IN IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE THERE IF YOU WANNA SEE IT. 
          SO I'VE PASSED BY A SEEN IF FEW THINGS. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING WITH THE BRIGHT RED THOUGH? NO. 
          WELL, THE CHAIRS ARE NO, THAT'S, 
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THOSE ARE THE CHAIRS, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, SOME OF THE WOOD PIECES ARE IN FRONT OF MY DESK. 
          NO, THEY'RE, UH, A STANDARD DARK WOOD TYPE. 
          YEAH. 
          I LIKE HAVING THE, THE FULL ONES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PICK FROM A COLOR SAMPLE FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY EVEN LEFT ME BECAUSE I, AGAIN, I'VE GOT PEOPLE NOW WANTING ORANGE AND RED AND I WAS LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT REALLY PICKING COLORS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY LEFT ME THE COLOR SAMPLE. 
          THAT'S FUNNY. 
          SO, SO, UH, SO WITH THESE DIFFERENT COMPANIES, UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH OR, AND NASHVILLE OFFICE INTERIORS IS, UH, HENDRICKSON ALSO A LOCAL COMPANY? HENDRICKSON IS ACTUALLY, THEY'VE BEEN, THAT'S THE COMPANY WE USE FOR EVERYTHING AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          THEY JUST HAVE CHANGED NAMES. 
          THEY WERE SYNERGY BUSINESS ENVIRONMENTS OR SOMETHING BACK THEN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN BOUGHT OUT OR I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT THE NAME CHAIN IS. 
          SO, SO WAS PRETTY HAPPY WITH THEIR SERVICE LEVEL. 
          YEAH. 
          EVERYTHING. 
          WE HAVE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, THAT'S THE ONE PART OF THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS. 
          THE FURNITURE IS PRETTY . 
          GOOD JOB. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY SATISFACTORY. 
          I THINK THEY'RE, YEAH. 
          AND WE USED ORI AT FIRE STATION FIVE MM-HMM. 
           OBVIOUSLY MUCH SMALLER SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN FINE THERE TOO, SO. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THEY'RE GOOD COMPANY. 
          THEY USED TO, THEY'RE THE GROUP. 
          THEY USED TO BE DOWN HERE IN MARYLAND FARMS. YEAH. 
          MOST PART OF TIME. 
          BUT, UM, AND, AND, AND ALONG THOSE LINES, SO WITH HENDRICKSON OR, OR WITH THESE BIDS, WE FEEL LIKE THE, THE FULFILLMENT TIME IS PRETTY SIMILAR AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE FURNITURE WHEN WE NEEDED AND NOT HAVE TO LIKE DO TEMP FURNITURE OR ANYTHING. 
          YEAH, NO, WE, UH, NOW AGAIN, WE DIDN'T TALK TO ALL THREE. 
          WE ONLY FOCUSED IN ON THE LOW BIDDER. 
          SO, BUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HENDRICKSON, THEY FELT LIKE THERE WAS NOT A PROBLEM EVEN WITH OUR PHASING OF WHEN THEY WOULD ORDER CERTAIN PHASES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I ASK JUST 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD OF LOCAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE EITHER HAD WAREHOUSE FURNITURE BECAUSE IT GOT HERE EARLIER THAN THEY COULD USE IT, OR PROJECTS WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO USE TEMP FURNITURE BECAUSE THEY GOT IN A LOT LATER. 
          YEAH. 
          AS OF NOW BE FEELING PRETTY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ISSUE FOR US WOULD BE THE TIMING OF THOSE LATER PHASES AND WHEN THEY ORDER THEM AND MAYBE HAVING TO WAREHOUSE SOMETHING FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT GETS IN EARLIER THAN OTHERWISE ALREADY TENDS TO DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE CASES I'VE HEARD ABOUT IS SOMEONE THAT ALREADY HAD TO WAREHOUSE A BUNCH OF FURNITURE FOR 'EM AND THEY, THEY DID IT AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, BUT, BUT IF, IF WE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE KIND OF ISSUES NO. 
          THAT, NO, THAT WAS A LITTLE LONGER LEAD TIME THERE AND IT ALL CAME AT ONCE. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PHASING ISSUE THERE OF COURSE. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS THERE. 
          WHAT, BUT WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE IS THAT IF WITH APPROVAL ON MONDAY NIGHT, THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND PLACE THE ORDER FOR ALL THE PHASE ONE STUFF, WHICH IS EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER DEMO RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, WHICH IS EASILY MORE THAN HALF, PROBABLY 60 OR 70% OF THIS. 
          UM, AND THAT THEY WOULD HOLD A LITTLE BIT ON THE PHASE TWO FURNITURE, WHICH IS IN FINANCE AND HR AREA, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE A STORAGE ISSUE OF IT COMING IN TOO EARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, COOL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ITEM SIX IS THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH CENTRAL SQUARE, WHICH IS THE SOFTWARE PROVIDER FOR OUR DISPATCH CAD SYSTEM, OUR CRIME MAPPING SYSTEM, OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AND FIELD OPS SOFTWARE FOR PV. 
          SO THE TOTAL FOR 20 20 25 MAINTENANCE IS 138,417. 
          THAT'S BROKEN DOWN FOR YOU. 
          THE BULK OF THAT, 115 OF THAT IS FOR THE DISPATCH, CAD SYSTEM MAINTENANCE. 
          THE OTHER COMPONENTS ARE A LITTLE SMALLER. 
          DISPATCH, CAD OBVIOUSLY IS IN THE ECD BUDGET. 
          THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS ARE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS IS FIRST, FIRST ITEM IS READING, FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE TO THANKS CHRIS. 
          AMEND THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, UM, WITH SOME YEAR END MOVEMENT AROUND OF MONEY, MOST OF WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET MEETING. 
          BUT I'LL GO OVER THESE, UM, BRIEFLY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, FIRST IS, OR RECOGNIZING ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND OF A LITTLE OVER $15 MILLION. 
          AND AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 2 0 8, THERE YOU'VE GOT THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE, UM, THE, SO THE LINE ITEMS OF THAT EXTRA REVENUE, THE BULK OF IT IN, IN THE LOCAL SALES TAX COLLECTIONS, BUT THE REST OF IT SPREAD ON DOWN THERE TO GET TO, UH, 15 MILLION. 
          ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT TRANSFER, UH, POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, DO WE HAVE A SURPLUS IN THERE THAT'S BEING PROTECTED? IS THAT WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM? THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S NOT THE TRUST FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          THAT'S THE EXCESS. 
          THAT'S THE FUND THAT HOLDS EXCESS MONEY WE'VE COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS TO PAY OUT TO TERMINAL LEAVE PAYMENTS FOR FOLKS WHEN THEY RETIRE. 
          SO WE DO HAVE MONEY IN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ACCOUNT. 
          SO THAT ONE WAS OVER ACCRUED AND YOU ALL WERE JUST  WELL, WE, YEAH, WE JUST, YEAH. 
          WE'VE BEEN, WE PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN EACH YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PUT A, A BUNCH OF MONEY IN MANY YEARS AGO TO KIND OF SEED IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WE'VE BEEN SPENDING DOWN AND PUTTING MONEY IN. 
          SO THE ACTUARIES, UM, MADE A PROJECTION OF HOW MUCH YOU NEED 
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THAT THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT ONE STUDY BY THE ACTUARIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST KIND OF OUR OWN TRACKING OF THINGS. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT PART OF THE TRUST. 
          SO WE'RE NOT PULLING MONEY OUT OF THE TRUST, IT'S JUST A SEPARATE FUND THAT WE MAINTAIN. 
          YEP. 
          IN THE 25 BUDGET, WE PROPOSED UPPING THE CONTRIBUTION FROM 50,000, 25 TO $50,000, RECOGNIZING WE'VE GOT A, A NUMBER OF SENIOR STAFF THAT ARE GONNA BE RETIRING. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I WAS, I MEAN, IT'LL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT HIT NEXT YEAR WITH MY RETIREMENT, RICHARD'S RETIREMENT. 
          UM, SO WE ACTUALLY MAY NEED TO SURPLUS FUND THAT AGAIN A LITTLE BIT TO GET IT BACK UP TO WHERE IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE. 
          WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS OF WHERE THAT SITS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST KIND OF I'M CURIOUS JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE WOULD TAKE MONEY OUT, UM, THIS YEAR, PUT MONEY IN, BUT THEN OVER, UH, UH, UP THE FUND NEXT YEAR, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOUR, OUR CONTRIBUTION NEXT YEAR IS 50,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THE PAYOUT NEXT YEAR WILL BE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 200,000. 
          SURE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SPENDING DOWN THAT BALANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S KIND OF JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING EXCESS MONEY OUT, UH, BUT THEN WE'RE UPPING THE CONTRIBUTION NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME LOGIC TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL SHOW I, WE CAN SEND YOU KIND OF THE CASH FLOW OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT EXCESS REVENUE THEN, WHERE IS THAT GOING? UH, THAT'S THE NEXT SECTION OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE BULK OF IT IS THE TRANSFER TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND A LITTLE OVER 13 MILLION FOR 25 PROJECTS AND AND BEYOND. 
          UM, MILLION GOING TO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND TO PURCHASE. 
          A PORTION OF THAT IS PURCHASING NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BECOME PART OF THE FUND. 
          AND THEN SOME OF IT IS JUST, UH, SOME SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING FOR TRYING TO CATCH UP ON PRICE INCREASES 500,000 TO THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND. 
          AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO BUILD UP THAT FUND FOR CONTINUED, UH, PROJECTS AND THINGS. 
          THEN WE GOT A COUPLE, SEVERAL ITEMS RELATED TO THE, UH, MUNICIPAL CLOSING OUT. 
          THE MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND. 
          REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT 4.5 MILLION OF WHAT'S IN THAT FUND COMING TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND TO HELP FUND THE RENOVATION PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S ITEM FOUR THERE. 
          ITEM FIVE IS, THERE'S ROUGHLY A LITTLE OVER $6 MILLION IN THAT FUND RIGHT NOW. 
          SO 4.5 COMES TO THIS PROJECT FOR CITY HALL. 
          1.5 GOES TO THE, UM, FROM THE MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND TO FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE NOW THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF CITY HALL WILL COME. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA SEED THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND FOR IT, TAKING ON THAT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN KAREN'S TRIED TO ESTIMATE AS BEST SHE CAN THROUGH THE END OF JUNE 30TH, WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE CHARGED TO THE OLD MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND. 
          AND SHE'S PROJECTING ROUGHLY $22,000, UM, LEFT IN THE MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND AFTER THOSE TWO TRANSFERS. 
          THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT UP OR DOWN DEPENDENT ON YES SIR, WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN, IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS IN THIS BUILDING. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT LITTLE BIT REMAINING WOULD JUST COME TO THE GENERAL FUND TO CLOSE OUT THE MUNICIPAL CENTER OR MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND, WHATEVER'S LEFT ON THE, NOT THE MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND, BUT ON THE REGULAR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FUND, WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 500,000 TO IT. 
          IS THAT, UM, WHAT DOES THAT PUT THAT BALANCE AT? JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF LIKE LIBRARY EXPENSES ON MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE INSTEAD OF JUST BREAKING EVEN ON THAT, WE HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA CUSTOM LIBRARIES AGING AND WE'VE GOT THE HISTORICAL HOMES PULLING OUTTA THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ELSE IS IN THAT? HOW MUCH FUND BALANCE WITH ALL OF THIS IS GONNA BE IN LIKE THE MILLION AND A HALF RANGE I THINK. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE BEEN HITTING THAT FUND PRETTY HARD. 
          UHHUH, , UM, THE LIBRARY REROOF NEXT YEAR AND SOME THAT SFI STUFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           LIKE, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD IT USE MORE? CERTAINLY. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY NOW AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL LOOK TO PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING. 
          THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A TREND FOR A LITTLE WHILE, PUTTING ANOTHER 1.5 AND TWO OR ANOTHER FIVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER HALF A MILLION OR SO. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE OUR BIG MAINTENANCE KIND OF TICKET ITEMS TEND TO BE HISTORICAL HOMES AND THE LIBRARY. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE BIT ON PARKS TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SERVICE CENTER COMING UP TOO. 
          THE FUEL TANKS WITH FUEL TANKS AND WE JUST, IT'S MORE PARKS AND LIBRARY. 
          THE HISTORIC HOMES ARE 40, 50, A HUNDRED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE THE SERVICE CENTER, SALT BARN. 
          WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME PICTURES IN A MINUTE. 
          THAT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          WE HIT IT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO PUT MORE, WELL, I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR THE NEXT, AGAIN, WE HAVE A PLAN TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO DO THESE 500,000 A YEAR. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR THE NEXT YEAR TOO WISE. 
          WE'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW. 
          AND 
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THEN WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THEN WE HAVE A LIST OF GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT BUDGET, UH, AMENDMENTS FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          UM, AMENDING THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET BECAUSE IN LAST, IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, WE HAD THOUGHT SEAN WOULD START SOME IN LAST FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO WE ONLY HAD, I THINK FOUR MONTHS OF HIS TIME VERSUS THE FULL SIX MONTHS. 
          SO WE NEED TO COVER THAT TECHNOLOGY IS THE 28,000 FOR THE EXTRA SERVICES WE JUST CONTRACTED WITH, UH, FOR THE, UH, CYBERSECURITY THINGS, INSURANCE AND OTHER BENEFITS. 
          WE'VE HAD A HIT ON SOME DEFERRED COMP MATCH AND SOME, UH, UNEMPLOYMENT AND INSURANCE COSTS. 
          POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS REPAIR AND AND MAINTENANCE. 
          MAYBE NOT A SURPRISE THERE. 
          SEVERAL FIRE RELATED ITEMS. UM, ONE OF WHICH IS, UM, THEIR EXTRA TIME WITHOUT GETTING TOO COMPLICATED HERE, WE HAVE A, A BULK LINE ITEM OR A LINE ITEM NUMBER FOR EXTRA TIME. 
          SO FIRE DEPARTMENT WORKS A CERTAIN SCHEDULE, BUT IF THEY HAVE CALL OUTS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SLEEP THING. 
          SO IF THEY GET CALLED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THAT'S EXTRA TIME. 
          THAT'S NOT BUDGETED AS PART OF SALARY. 
          IF THEY'RE FILLING IN SOMEBODY'S ON FMLA, WE FILL PEOPLE IN. 
          SO THEY HAVE ALL THIS EXTRA TIME OF THINGS AND WE HAVE IN THEIR BUDGET A LINE ITEM THAT IS, IS REALLY A, A PLUG NUMBER BASED UPON KIND OF WHERE WE THINK IT'LL BE IN ANY GIVEN YEAR. 
          WE'RE EITHER GOOD OR, OR OFF ON THAT. 
          SO WE'RE OFF ON THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S 133,000. 
          WE HAVE UPPED IT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AGAIN. 
          UH, THEY'VE GOT THEN ABOUT 95,000 OF THAT ACCRUED TERMINAL LEAVE. 
          THAT'S THE MONEY COMING FROM THE POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FUND FOR THREE EMPLOYEES WHO RETIRED, UH, ABOUT 50,000 FOR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT THAT WAS ORDERED LAST YEAR. 
          THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE RECEIVED BEFORE JUNE 30TH OF LAST YEAR. 
          DID NOT. 
          IT CAME IN THIS YEAR. 
          SO IT WAS NOT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          UH, AND INCREASED COST REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE FOR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT THERE FOR THEIR HEAVY ITEMS. SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF POLICE OR FIRE ONES THERE. 
          SAFETY CENTER EAST HAD SOME, UH, FUEL, FUEL TANK AND GENERATOR REPAIRS THAT ADDED UP OVER TIME. 
          AND THEN ACCRUED TERMINAL LEAVE AT THE LIBRARY, 23,000. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET AMENDMENT TYPE THINGS THAT ABSORB THAT 15 MILLION EXCESS REVENUE. 
          STATE STREET AID FUND. 
          WE'RE ASKING TO INCREASE THAT BY 70,000. 
          UM, SEABOARD LANE OUT THERE ALONG COSTCO AND THAT AREA THERE IS IN NEXT YEAR'S PAVING PLAN, BUT FOUR STAR ALSO WORKS FOR FRANKLIN. 
          THEY'RE DOING CARUTHERS PARKWAY IN FRANKLIN AT NIGHT HERE IN JUNE. 
          SO TODD REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, COULD YOU COME DO SEABOARD AT NIGHT IN JUNE? AND THEY SAID YES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN JUNE, WHICH MEANS WE NEED, IT WAS NEXT YEAR'S MONEY, BUT WE NEED SOME EXTRA MONEY. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS IN THERE ALREADY TO ABSORB A LOT OF IT, BUT WE NEED AN EXTRA 70 TO COVER THAT WORK GETTING DONE SOONER THAN WE EXPECTED, BUT GETTING IT DONE AT NIGHT, WHICH IS A POSITIVE. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, RECITE WORK WE DID LAST WEEK AND BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK, UH, WE'LL EAT UP THE REST OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S STATE STREET AID FUND, POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFIT FUNDS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          THE TRANSFER BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THEN THE REST OF THESE ARE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, AND RECORDING THE TRANSFERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE REST OF THAT. 
          SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE TODD THINKING THROUGH THAT AND YEAH. 
          GOING ON. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S HUGE TO GET COSTCO. 
          WELL HE'S, HE'S GOOD ABOUT THAT STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO, SO, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, NO EXTRA COST BECAUSE OF THE NIGHT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY KIND OF MOBILIZED AND ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT SCHEDULE, BUT IT'LL BE BEFORE THE, AND THE MS. SEALANT THING WAS EASY, LIKE YEAH, NO BIG DEAL ON OUR STREET. 
          THANKS FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THAT, KIRK. 
          YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A LOT. 
          AND I WON'T GO THROUGH IT PROBABLY IN THAT DETAIL ON MONDAY NIGHT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO ON THE RECORD, BUT, UM, I'LL KIND OF JUST SUMMARIZE IT, THE RECORD. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU'VE DONE IT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED, WRITTEN IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE THE LIST THERE FOR THE BIG TRANSFERS OF WHAT PROJECTS THAT MONEY IS GOING TO. 
          THAT'S IN YOUR, IN YOUR BACKUP ITEMS THERE TOO. 
          THEN ITEM TWO IS AN AGREEMENT WITH SULLIVAN ENGINEERING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OLD SMYRNA ROAD WORK DESIGN WORK ON THAT AND ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE JONES PARKWAY EAST TO UH, JUST PAST HARLAND WHERE TRANSITIONED BACK INTO THE EXISTING ROAD. 
          SO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. 
          I KNOW, UH, WE HAD THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT, UH, WE SENT, 
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YOU INCLUDED A COPY OF THAT WITH YOU HERE. 
          UM, SO THIS WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT OF A NEW TWO LANE ROAD TO THE NORTH AND THEN LEAVE THE EXISTING, UM,  AS IT IS. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE DRIVE DRIVEWAY CUTOVERS OF THAT, BUT IT BECOMES THEN ACCESSIBLE FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS FOR ANY OF THOSE RESIDENTS TO REACH WENDY HILL PARK. 
          SO IS THAT THE LINEAR PARK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT IT WOULD BE, OR AGAIN, OUR ENGINEERS USE THE TERM LINEAR. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THERE. 
          IT JUST IS THE OLD ROAD BED. 
          SO, SO IT BECOMES AN ABANDONED ROAD. 
          YEAH, IT, WELL IT BECOMES, YEAH, IT'S THE OLD ROAD BED. 
          IT IS THE OLD SMYRNA HISTORIC ROADWAY. 
          ROADWAY OR WHATEVER HISTORIC SITE. 
          IT SERVES AS A, A WAY FOR RESIDENTS BIKE PEDESTRIAN, WHATEVER. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT FULLY ADMIT TERM LINEAR PART CAUSED PEOPLE CONCERNS AS IF WE WERE GOING TO DEVELOP IT OR PROMOTE IT OR SIGN IT OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S JUST THE OLD ROAD BED THAT REMAINS. 
          IT MAKES 'EM FEEL BETTER. 
          WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO MARKET AND COMMUNICATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE WORD TO LINEAR PARK OUT OF THIS TO BE HONEST. 
          I'M JUST BEING COMPLETELY HONEST. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S, IT IMPLIED THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING MORE DONE THERE THAN WHAT WAS PLANNED, WHICH IS REALLY NOTHING OTHER THAN SOME SAFETY THINGS AT THE DRIVEWAYS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          WE'RE NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING UP SHELTERS OR PICNIC TABLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO BENCHES OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          NO. 
          IT SEEMS OF THE SAME PAST SAFETY THINGS WE DO WITH SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'LL BE MY FIRST THOUGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE ENGINEERS. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE HAVE AT, UM, AT THE LIBRARY CROSS IN KNOX VALLEY WHERE YOU GOTTA KIND OF DO, YOU CAN'T, IT'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN A BALLARD 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST FLY BY THERE AND THAT'S NOT SAFETY. 
          SO SOMETHING THAT FORCES SOMEBODY TO, IF THEY'RE ON A BIKE, ON THAT OLD ROAD BED, TO COMPLETELY ALMOST STOP TO CROSS THOSE DRIVEWAYS, I THINK. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS DESIGN IS WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BUT UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER EMAIL ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, AND I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN LOTS AND LOTS OF COMMUNICATION FROM RESIDENTS. 
          THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO ME, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM. 
          UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SPEND POTENTIALLY $10 MILLION ON THE PROJECT. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A FIGURE ISSUE THAN WE ALREADY HAVE IN TERMS OF SAFETY. 
          AND AS I'VE TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE STREET AND PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THE STREET FREQUENTLY, UM, THAT IS THEIR CONCERN AS WELL. 
          UH, ANOTHER PART THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE HAD ONE PRESENTATION TO US AND SEPTEMBER 21ST, I THINK IT WAS OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE PUBLIC MEETING FOR RESIDENTS TO ATTEND AND DISCUSS. 
          AND IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER, WHICH UM, CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE OF PRIOR COMMITMENTS. 
          SO IN MY MIND, I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THIS BIG PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE POTENTIALLY GETTING CLOSE TO THAT. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT AND WE DON'T CREATE ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO I'VE TALKED TO HAVE GREAT IDEAS. 
          UM, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ENGINEERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY TRAVEL THE ROAD. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND EVEN BRING IN THE ENGINEERING, UH, SULLIVAN AGAIN TO TALK TO US. 
          UM, THE LINEAR PARK ISSUE BRINGS ME A LOT OF PAUSE, WHETHER WE CALL IT THAT OR NOT. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT IT, YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT THAT YOU HAVE TO CROSS IT FROM ALL THE DRIVEWAYS. 
          THERE'LL BE PEOPLE GOING THIS WAY. 
          YOU HAVE TO COME IN OFF OF SMYRNA AND STOP AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE FOR YOUR VEHICLE. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH THE LINEAR PARK OR THE ABANDONED ROAD OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO PAUSE AND GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. 
          CAN WE GET SULLIVAN BACK IN AND LIKE TO, 'CAUSE WE'VE HEARD IN HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, WE'VE HEARD SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON SOME THINGS TO DO. 
          WHAT I WAS UNAWARE OF IS IN SEPTEMBER WHEN HE PRESENTED IT TO US, THAT US KIND OF GOING, OKAY, PLAN A. 
          YEAH, I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH COMMITTING TO THAT. 
          'CAUSE THIS DESIGN, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THESE DESIGN SERVICES, IT IS ONLY PLAN A. 
          BUT LIKE WE NEVER EVEN GOT A PRICE OF WHAT PLAN B WAS. 
          WE KIND OF NODDED THINKING, OKAY, WE SEE WHY YOU'RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT I THOUGHT, OKAY, SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS, SOME MORE FEEDBACK AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON IS THAT REALLY WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GOING FULL FORCE ONLY WITH PLAN A. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE NOW THAT WE'D HAD HEARD ALL THESE CONCERNS FROM PEOPLE, HOW MUCH MORE WOULD PLAN B HAVE BEEN WHERE 
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IT'S AN EAST, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL SMYRNA STAYS EASTBOUND AND A NEW LA ROAD IS ADDED NORTH OF THERE. 
          KIND OF LIKE MURRAY LANE, OBVIOUSLY ONLY SINGLE LANE NOT DOUBLE OVER BY BHS THAT IS WESTBOUND. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME CONCERN AND RESISTANCE FROM A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS WHO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PART OF THEIR SIGNIFICANT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND IF WE DID JUST ONE LANE ON THAT SIDE, WE WOULD TAKE LESS. 
          UM, SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT IF, IF IT IS A BETTER OPTION TO DO, TO SPLIT IT AND HAVE THE ORIGINAL SMYRNA BECOME ONE DIRECTION AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER DIRECTION AND TAKE LESS OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          I JUST, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE FLESH THAT OUT FULLY AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE HEARD SOME RESISTANCE FROM SOME RESIDENTS. 
          WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK AND FLUSH THAT OUT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO DO AGAIN. 
          JUST ALONG THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I MEAN WHEN WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT OPTION TWO IN THE MEETING. 
          I BELIEVE THE STAFF WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT OPTION TWO WOULD BE MORE MONEY FOR QUITE A FEW REASONS AND IT WOULD ALSO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE HISTORIC SCENIC PART OF THE AREA BECAUSE THE, THE CURRENT ROAD BED WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT ALONG WITH THE WALLS AND THE TREES AND OTHER STUFF THAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING US. 
          NO, NO. 
          WELL I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE TO RE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO WORK ON THE CURRENT ROADWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WEREN'T REMOVING, THERE WERE DEFICIENCIES THERE. 
          THAT WOULD IMPACT SOME ASPECTS OF IT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO BRING THAT UP TO SOME OTHER STUFF. 
          THERE'S DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THAT ARE FALLING APART NOW. 
          AND YOU'D HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET IN THERE AND DO WORK, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET IN THERE AND ADDRESS THE ROADSIDE DRAINAGE TOO. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME RIGHT IMPACT ON THE WALLS. 
          SO IT IS NOT DOUBLE, BUT IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE AND IT WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE SCENIC NATURE OF THE AREA. 
          THAT WAS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          THAT WAS YES. 
          THE EXPLANATION FOR WHY WE DID NOT, WE DON'T THINK B IS RIGHT. 
          BUT IF YOU ALL, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. 
          WELL, I MEAN WE'RE, FRANKLY, I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS QUITE A FEW TIMES PUBLICLY AND I'VE GOTTEN QUITE A BIT OF RESPONSE AS WELL. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE EVEN TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENT THAT CAME TO OUR MEETING LAST WEEK THAT SAID, HEY, I'M ALL FOR THIS. 
          HE, HE DID SAY I'D LIKE IT TO BE SAFE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THE, MOST OF THE STUFF I'VE HEARD, LIKE YOU MENTIONED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT EASEMENTS AND OTHER STUFF HAS BEEN PRIMARILY THE, THE TYPICAL STUFF THAT WE GET ANY TIME WE HAVE A, A ROAD PROJECT OR A SIDEWALK PROJECT AND WHICH ARE VALID CONCERNS. 
          BUT DO WE ADDRESS IN THE ENGINEERING PROCESS AND THE SAFETY PROCESS AND, AND ALL THAT? YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE'VE NEVER DONE A ROAD PROJECT WHERE EVERY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS HAPPY WITH IT. 
          NO, WOULDN'T EXPECT IT. 
          BUT THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 
          IF WE'RE GETTING RESISTANCE FROM A COUPLE NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF IMMINENT DOMAIN. 
          AND IF WE DO, WHICH WE DO FOR ALMOST EVERY BROKER, IF WE DO, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE AS MUCH PROPERTY OR IF AT LEAST WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, DO WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO IT? NO, YOU ABSOLUTELY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT. 
          AND, AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE A NUMBER OF A A DOLLAR NUMBER. 
          WE HAVE A UM, OH IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE. 
          WELL HOW EXPENSIVE. 
          SO WE CAN SEE IF IT REALLY MAKES SENSE. 
          'CAUSE IT MIGHT ALSO BE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO BUY THAT PROPERTY AND NEGOTIATE A DEAL FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE IF WE'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, TWICE AS MUCH AS WE, WE COULD HAVE, I MEAN IT MIGHT BE A WASH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HEARD THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          BACK IN SEPTEMBER I WAS COMMITTING TO FULLY, I THOUGHT WE WERE FLESHING IT OUT MORE. 
          WE UNDERSTOOD THAT PLAN A MAY BE MAY BE BETTER, BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT TOOK AWAY THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, OF THAT PROPERTY, OF THAT ROAD TO KIND OF REFURBISH IT BUT KEEP IT UM, AS AN EASTBOUND LANE. 
          UH, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE 11 CUT THROUGHS OF THAT WALL. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE HISTORIC WALL AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 CUT THROUGHS, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 
          WHY CAN'T WE, WELL NOT ALL THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE STONE WALLS IN FRONT OF THEM, RIGHT? THERE'S SEVERAL THAT DON'T, BUT SOME DO. 
          YEAH, SOME DO. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DUMPING OUT ONTO A NEW, BUT IF YOU, THAT'S, IF YOU HAVE THE TWO LANE BOULEVARD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THOSE SAME CUT THROUGHS AND ACTUALLY NO. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN GO AROUND LIKE THEY DORE GONNA ALL THE WAY BY THEIR HOUSE TO THE END OF THE ROAD AND THEN COME DOWN LANE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DO IT ON MURRAY LANE. 
          MURRAY LANE LANE. 
          SO THEN YOU'RE BACK TO TWO LANE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD THEN MAYBE. 
          NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF THE CURRENT OLD SMYRNA ROAD BECOMES IT STAY IS ALL EASTBOUND, JUST EASTBOUND AND THE OTHER IS WESTBOUND. 
          AND IF YOU LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND YOU NEED TO HEAD TOWARDS WILSON PIKE, YOU MAY HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND COME AROUND. 
          BUT WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE CUT THROUGHS WHERE THEY GO AROUND LIKE WE HEAR HERE ON MURRAY LANE, WE'VE GOT JUST RIGHT. 
          BUT WHERE THEY GO AROUND AND THEN COME BACK TO THEIR HOME, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD TO GET BACK IF THEY GOTTA COME BACK. 
          NO, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THEY JUST LOOP IT. 
          YEAH, SAME THING. 
          I MEAN I JUST THINK WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE SAFER BECAUSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE CROSSING THE LINEAR PARK AND THEN YOU'RE GOING OVER ONE ONE AND, AND COMING BACK IN, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT 
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PRO PROVIDES A SCENARIO WHERE IT COULD BE LESS SAFE. 
          AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, GO THROUGH THAT AMOUNT OF HEADACHE AND MAKE IT LESS SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE AND WALK IN THAT AREA GOING, GOING IN A PROTECTED AREA TO TURN OUT ON A ROAD WHERE YOUR DRIVEWAY, EVEN IF IT COMES INTO THE LINEAR PARK, IS GONNA BE MUCH SAFER. 
          I CAN GUARANTEE YOU I THE COMMERCIAL DRIVER THAN YEARS PAST IS MUCH SAFER THAN ANY TYPE OF U-TURN OR TURNING AROUND. 
          ALWAYS. 
          NOT TO MENTION, I MEAN HOW'S THIS WELL IT'S NO ANY DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT A U-TURN. 
          I MEAN IT'S, IT WOULD A U-TURN WE WOULD JUST HAVING FEWER CUT THROUGHS. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE GOING WEST AND TURN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN BACK TO GO EAST, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE DOING U-TURN AT LEAST 180 DEGREES RATHER THAN BANG. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DO ON MURRAY LANE. 
          THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT IS INCREDIBLY INEFFICIENT AND INCONVENIENT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON ALL THE INPUT WE HAVE. 
          I FROM MONDAY NIGHT, YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU. 
          IT MAY BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          UM, BUT UM, I DON'T THINK IT EVER REALLY HURTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY EXPLORED AND VE IT. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WERE GOING DOWN THE UH, UM, THE ROAD OF, UH, THE LINEAR PARK. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON, UH, ON SOME OF THE OTHERS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST WAY. 
          UM, UH, AND I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO HEAR FROM UH, COMMISSIONER DUNN. 
          YEAH. 
          WITHOUT ALL OF YOU HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S, YOU EITHER VOTE TO DENY OR DENY THIS OR I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CAN WE, 'CAUSE THEN YOU GOTTA PUT A DATE ON IT. 
          YEAH, I DON'T WANNA, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO PUT A HARD AND FAST DATE ON IT. 
          CAN WE PULL IT? THIS MAY BE THE RIGHT THING. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION JUST YET. 
          CAN WE PULL IT AND NOT VOTE ON IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A HARD AND FAST DATE ON IT AND GET DICKIE BACK IN AND POTENTIALLY DO ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          I MEAN, WE HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON HOW TO RETRIP GRANNY WHITE WITH BIKE LANES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE COMMUNITY MEETING IN DECEMBER ON SPENDING $10 MILLION ON A ROAD. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE SPENDING 600,000 TO TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE GETTING, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONLY CONSIDERING PLAN A. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO APPROVING THIS SAYS SIX, $600,000 TO DO PLAN A RIGHT NOW, THEN THAT'S IT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN IT COMPLETELY TAKES OFF THE TABLE OF PLAN B. 
          YEAH, AGREE. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS MONDAY NIGHT YOU EITHER AGAIN WITHOUT EVERYBODY HERE, CAN WE, CAN WE PULL IT TODAY AND NOT HAVE IT GO TO A VOTE MONDAY SO THAT WE DON'T NO, I MEAN THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S FIVE OF YOU HERE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY. 
          YEAH, THERE'S NOT. 
          IF I HAD FOUR OF YOU HERE TODAY SAYING YOU WON'T WANT TO CONSIDER IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA CONSIDER IT AND YOU EITHER VOTE NO AND CHRISTIAN'S NOT HERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I GUESS YOU COULD JUST VOTE TO, YOU VOTE TO WITHDRAW. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT MOTION THERE IS. 
          IF YOU DON'T I WOULD LIKE TO NO, Y'ALL DID A VERY THOROUGH PACKET RIGHT HERE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS BETWEEN THE BRIEFING, ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE REALLY COLLECT. 
          AND I, I, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT SLOW WALKING THIS PROJECT GIVEN THE VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS ON THIS ROAD. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD HAVE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT AS THE ROAD DETERIORATES AND CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE. 
          WELL THE COMMENTS ARE BASED ON, THEY WERE ONLY PRESENTED WITH PLAN A. 
          I MEAN I WAS IN THE MEETING. 
          IT WAS A DESIGN, WELL, ALL, BOTH, ALL OPTIONS WERE SHOWN. 
          THEY WERE GIVEN THE IMPRESSION THAT PLAN A WAS WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. 
          TRUE. 
          BUT I'M SAYING ALL OPTIONS WERE SHOWN. 
          THE RESIDENTS THAT I TALKED TO AFTER THE MEETING WERE VERY MUCH UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A DONE DEAL. 
          THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HADN'T VOTED ON IT YET. 
          AND I HAD TO CLARIFY OVER AND OVER AGAIN, NO, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THIS YET. 
          IT IS NOT FINAL. 
          YOU GET TO HAVE INPUT, SEND US EMAILS, LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS, ALL THAT. 
          AND I, AND I, AT THAT TIME, JANUARY WAS WHEN A LOT OF IT WAS HITTING BECAUSE OF THE MEETING IN DECEMBER. 
          I SAID, WELL, WE'LL HAVE MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS DO ON THIS KIND OF SITUATION. 
          AND THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING TO BE HAD AND THERE WAS NEVER A FORUM WHERE A LOT OF VOICES COULD GET IN THE SAME ROOM AND COLLABORATE OR HEAR EACH OTHER'S THOUGHTS. 
          SO YES, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A CENTRAL, A CENTRAL LOCATION TO WORK OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS. 
          AND WE'VE EVEN NOT REALLY EVEN TALKED ABOUT IT IN THESE MEETINGS. 
          SO THAT IS AGAIN, MY HESITATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND I I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO GET IT OFF THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AND IF WE, SO THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT SARAH'S BEEN THINKING THAT SHE HAS SOME THINGS TO SAY. 
          SO WOULD IT BE OKAY IF SARAH YEAH. 
          JOIN US IN. 
          I WAS GONNA LET EVERYONE TALK, YOU KNOW, NOT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S COME UP, COME UP CLOSER. 
          BUT YEAH, THE LINEAR PART, IT'S EASIER TO THINK ABOUT IT AS A, AS A WALKING TRAIL. 
          IT IS A WALKING TRAIL. 
          LIKE WE HAVE ON RAGSDALE SUNSET, OUR WALKING TRAILS ARE 12 TO 14 FEET. 
          THIS IS 15 FEET. 
          SO IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR TO SOMEONE EXITING THEIR DRIVEWAY ONTO A WALKING TRAIL. 
          THAT'S KIND OF HOW I CONSIDER IT. 
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IT'S NOT A LINEAR PARK. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY FOR THAT. 
          BUT IT, IT'S LIKE A WALKING TRAIL IS HOW I IMAGINE IT. 
          'CAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SAME WIDTH ALMOST WITHIN A FOOT OR TWO. 
          AND ALTERNATE B THAT THEY PRESENTED, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE 15 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO TAKE IT DOWN TO 11 FEET OF PAVEMENT. 
          IF WE TAKE IT DOWN TO ONE LANE, WE STILL HAVE FOUR FEET, RIGHT. 
          FOUR FEET LEFT OVER. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN FEET OF CLEAR ZONE AT THAT SPEED LIMITS. 
          CLEAR ZONE IS WHERE YOU PULL OVER AND YOU HAVE A SAFE AREA FOR A SHOULDER. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE CURB AND GUTTER. 
          IF WE ADDED CURB GUTTER IN, WE'RE NOW AT THE EXACT WIDTH OF THE ROAD TO PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN. 
          YOU HAVE TO PUT STORM DRAINAGE IN, WHICH WOULD TAKE OUT THE ROOFS OF THE TREES AND PORTIONS OF THE ROCK WALL. 
          I CAN'T SAY HOW MUCH, BUT THAT WAS WHY THAT ALTERNATE B WAS NOT CONSIDERED. 
          'CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE OUT PORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE ROAD IS KIND OF HOW WE WORK OUT. 
          SO AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T PUT CURB AND GUTTER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SHOULDER OF SORTS. 
          CAN YOU PUT PULL OFFS? LIKE COULD YOU JUST IN SOME SPACES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER FOR A PULL OFF WITH 15 FEET? NO, IF IT'S A SINGLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          YOU WERE FLYING THROUGH SOME YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU'RE GOOD FOOT WIDTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT BECOMES A SINGLE LANE, RIGHT. 
          THE CURRENT ROAD IS HOW WIDE? 15 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND A SINGLE LANE IT NEEDS, DID YOU SAY 11, 11 FEET IF THERE'S CURB GUTTER 12. 
          IF THERE'S NOT, SO IF IT'S 15 AND YOU NEED 12 MM-HMM. 
           YOU HAVE THREE FEET ON ONE AND A HALF ON EACH SIDE. 
          AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR A PULL FOR A SHOULDER? NO, I THINK IT, WHAT IT WOULD COME DOWN TO IF YOU WENT THAT ROUTE IS YOU'D HAVE TO, WHAT SHE'S QUOTING AND WHAT DICKIE WILL QUOTE YOU IS IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP TO WHAT THE RIGHT ENGINEERING STANDARDS WOULD BE, YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS TO SAY, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND JUST MAKE THE MOST MINIMAL DRAINAGE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER AND, AND LEAVE IT NOT MEETING CURRENT ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          WHICH IT DOESN'T TODAY. 
          LET'S BE HONEST. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN IF WE CHOSE TO BRING IT TO CURRENT STANDARD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE JUST WOULD CHOOSE TO. 
          THE ENGINEERS WILL TELL YOU. 
          YOU SHOULD IF WE'RE IMPROVING IT. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IF YOU'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENT TO IT, YOU SHOULD BRING IT UP LEGALLY. 
          THERE'S NO LAW IN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO MAKE THE ROAD A CERTAIN WIDTH OR SHOULDERS OR SOMETHING. 
          WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S, WE'RE IMPROVING IT UNTIL THE CITY GETS SUED. 
          STANDARDS. 
          IT'S YOUR ROADWAY STANDARDS WE HAVE TO GO BY BASED ON SPEED. 
          THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO, OKAY. 
          IF YOU DON'T AND THERE'S A AND AND THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AND SOMEONE CAN SUE YOU BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO, THAT'S YOUR EXPOSURE. 
          WHICH COULD HAPPEN QUITE SERIOUSLY TODAY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU OUT THERE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE. 
          WHAT SHE'S QUOTING IS EXACTLY RIGHT, WAS WHAT THE ENGINEERS WOULD SAY WE NEED TO DO IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO USE THE EXISTING ROAD. 
          YOU COULD CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT. 
          JUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME EXPOSURE. 
          IF YOU CONSCIOUSLY MADE A DECISION TO NOT MEET ALL THE STANDARDS AND SOMEBODY COULD PROVE THAT THEY HAD AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS, WHAT WOULD BE THOSE GROUNDS? I MEAN, WHAT COULD SOMEONE SEE ON, ON PROJECTS? WE DO HAVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE HAVE TO BE APPROVED BEFORE YOU EVER GO TO DESIGN. 
          LIKE ON THE SHOULDER DROP OFF WAS TOO, IT WASN'T ENOUGH OF A SHOULDER ON THE PAVEMENT AND THE SHOULDER DROP OFF TO THE SIDE WAS TOO DEEP, IT WASN'T IMPROVED OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO TRUCKS YEAH. 
          TO PASS. 
          BUT IF YOU HAD ONE LANE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, IT WOULD BECOME WIDE ENOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE ISSUE OF IF YOU JUST, IF YOU DON'T DO SOME DRAINAGE WORK OR WHATEVER AND IMPROVE THOSE, THE DRAINAGE FLOW AND YOU JUST HAD EDGE OF PAVEMENT DROP OFF AND SOMEONE DROPPED OFF OF THERE FLIPPED HIT A TREE OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT COULD BE THEIR BASIS OF, OF, WELL WE'VE GOT THAT ON JOHNSON CHAPEL. 
          WE'VE GOT THAT ON LOTS OF ROADS. 
          WE HAVE IT ON LOTS OF ROADS. 
          THERE'S ROADS ALL OVER TENNESSEE THAT ARE LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE POINT BEING THOUGH IS ONCE YOU TOUCHED THOSE ROADS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'D BE DOING HERE, THE INTENTION IS, IS YOUR, THE GUIDANCE WOULD BE TO BRING IT UP TO THIS CURRENT STANDARDS AS YOU CAN. 
          EXISTING ROADS ARE EXISTING ROADS AND SO ON. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU ALL WILL HAVE THAT DISCRETION. 
          THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO, YOU JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME LIABILITY EXPOSURE IF YOU DON'T, BUT NOT MUST. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PULL THIS OFF OF THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT. 
          NOT BASED UPON THE FIVE OF YOU HERE TODAY, BECAUSE THIS IS STILL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, AND IF A MAJORITY OF YOU TODAY SAID, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER THIS, THEN I WOULD SAY, OKAY, I AGREE. 
          I'LL PULL IT OFF. 
          YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY ELSE REGARDING THIS. 
          I'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER TWO WHO I FELT LIKE WERE SUPPORTED NOW THAT MAY CHANGE ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND, AND FRANKLY THE KIND OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING, INCLUDING SOME OF THE ONES I THINK YOU'RE REFERENCING FROM PEOPLE WOULD BE ANSWERED BY THIS AND CAN ANSWERED THIS IS HOW YOU ANSWER EM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET MORE INFORMATION AS YOU'RE REQUESTING WITHOUT, FOR REAL. 
          YOU CAN HEAR FROM AN 
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ENGINEERS ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS THE OPTION B MIGHT COST AND THE IMPACTS OF IT. 
          KIND OF WHAT SARAH CAPITAL, BUT, BUT WHAT SARAH JUST SAID WAS ACTUALLY SAID, I THINK WHEN DICKY SULLIVAN WAS HERE IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT OPTION TWO AND YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME FOLKS HERE OTHER THAN ME AND RAY ALSO TALKED ABOUT OPTION TWO AS BEING A PROBLEM FOR THE REASONS THAT SARAH JUST SAID IN TERMS OF BEING MORE EXPENSIVE AND LESS DESIRABLE IN TERMS OF MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS SHE JUST MENTIONED IN TERMS OF BRINGING IT UP TO CODE AND LESS DESIRABLE IN TERMS OF ITS IMPACT ON THE VIEW AND NOT PROVIDING THE WALKING TRAIL AS SHE THIS RUN. 
          SO IT SEEMED OBVIOUS TO GO TO THE BETTER, MORE COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION. 
          AND THAT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THIS COMMISSION. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S CHANGED IN THE MEANTIME. 
          WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS, A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE SAID, AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS NEED INPUT AND THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM LIVE ON THE ROAD AND THEY DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THAT RESIDENTS I'M HEARING FROM, EXCEPT FROM GETTING A POSITIVE FEEDBACK, THEY WANNA FIND INFORMATION AND MOST OF THEM WERE AT THE MEETING. 
          NOT ALL, BUT MOST OF 'EM WERE THERE. 
          ALL THE QUESTIONS I'VE SEEN FROM MR. HAMMOND AND A FEW OTHERS WERE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. 
          TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE ANSWERS, AND TO THE EXTENT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS, THIS WOULD IS WHERE YOU GET THE ANSWERS. 
          SO, BUT IT'S UP TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT TO. 
          I DON'T DELAY. 
          I WAS AT THAT MEETING TOO, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE ADDRESSED FULLY AT THAT MEETING AND IT WAS UNDER THE AUSPICE THAT, THAT IT WAS PRESENTED AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS HAPPENING. 
          NOT THAT THERE WAS STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR CHANGE OR INPUT AND SO, AND FACT WELL, WELL I'M JUST, I'M JUST KEEP REPEATING MYSELF, BUT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS. 
          NO. 
          AGAIN, IF, IF, IF IT'S, IF THEIR QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT, I DON'T WANT IT TO IMPACT MY PROPERTY, I YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          IT'S NOT THAT. 
          WELL I'M JUST SAYING THAT SURE, THERE IS, THERE IS CONCERN FOR THAT, BUT IT'S MORE THAN THAT. 
          BUT THE DOCUMENTED QUESTIONS RECEIVED THAT NIGHT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT. 
          THIS REPORT. 
          AS FAR AS THE WRITTEN COMMENTS, MR. HAMMOND'S EMAIL WAS NOT INCLUDED IN HERE. 
          WELL THAT WAS AFTER THE REPORT WAS SUBMITTED. 
          SO, BUT AGAIN, Y'ALL CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT MONEY AND I TO ABSOLUTELY EITHER MOVE IT FORWARD AS PROPOSED OR PULL IT BACK AND GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANNA SEE NEXT. 
          AND IF WE MOVE TO WITHDRAW, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A DATE ON IT. 
          WE CAN PULL IT BACK. 
          YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO. 
          I THINK A DEFERRAL REQUIRES A A A DATE. 
          YEP. 
          JUST A WITHDRAWAL. 
          JUST TAKES IT OFF. 
          AND, BUT WE WOULD ASK THEM FOR SOME, SOME CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT NEXT. 
          WELL I CAN TELL YOU NOW, VICKY, TO COME BACK IN AND ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO, THAT PART OF THE MOTION ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ITEM THREE IS JUST THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE MAYOR OF THE APPOINTMENT OF THREE MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          FOUR IS APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE LIBRARY BOARD SET PUBLIC MEMBERS. 
          YOU HAVE SEVEN APPLICANTS INCLUDING ONE INCUMBENT. 
          FIVE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LIBRARY BOARD, IF YOU REMEMBER. 
          THAT'S ON AN OFF. 
          THEN THE REST OF 'EM. 
          THAT'S OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN NOW. 
          UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING. 
          I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A BALLOT OR WHETHER OR, YOU KNOW, WE DO BALLOTS WHEN WE DO THOSE OTHER ONES AND, AND AFTER THE ELECTION. 
          BUT AN ABSENT HEARING FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED, I ASSUME THERE WOULD JUST BE A MOTION. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BALLOTS UNLESS I HEAR FROM SOMEONE ELSE FOR THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN WE JUST HAVE NOTICES OF FUTURE APPOINTMENTS. 
          THREE MEMBERS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD THAT'LL BE DONE IN AUGUST AND TWO MEMBERS TO THE B-B-C-A-A ALSO IN AUGUST. 
          AND THOSE TWO MEMBERS, UM, ONE MUST BE A REGISTERED ARCHITECT AND ONE MUST BE A REGISTERED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REPRESENTATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU THE IDEA THE PEOPLE IN IT NOW OR, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, IF THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THEY'RE UP YET OR NOT. 
          I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK IT'S, 'CAUSE THAT'S A HARD, I THINK IT'S CHRISTIAN NOBLE AND MICHAEL VINES RIGHT NOW ARE THE TWO. 
          I THINK CHRISTIAN'S A ARCHITECT AND MICHAEL IS A STRUCTURAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, REAL QUICK, JAY WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME YEAH. 
          PREMIER COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE SAW THAT, UH, WE TALKED AFTER THE WINTER WEATHER, UH, WHEN WE HAD HALF OF THE SALT BARN EMPTY, WHICH WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE. 
          UH, WE WERE ABLE TO 
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KIND OF DO A LITTLE ASSESSMENT OF, UH, THE CONDITION OF THE COATING ON THE WALLS. 
          AND WE KNEW THE STEEL GIRDERS UP TOP WERE GETTING SOME SURFACE RUST AND THAT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE COMING TO YOU WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE SALT BARN. 
          BUT WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SALT BARN BEING HALF EMPTY. 
          GO AHEAD AND DO SOME, SOME REHAB ON THAT BUILDING. 
          AND SO, UH, A FEW OF THE BEFORE PHOTOS, YOU CAN SEE JUST KIND OF DETERIORATION OF THE COATING THAT'S ON THE WALLS. 
          TRY THAT. 
          IS THERE TO PROTECT THE, THE CMU BLOCK. 
          AND THIS IS THE CREWS COMING IN FROM MID-SOUTH RESTORATIONS. 
          THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DONE WORK FOR TDOT ON THEIR SALT BARNS. 
          AND THAT'S THEM BEGINNING WORK AFTER THE SALT WAS REMOVED. 
          THIS IS THE AFTER. 
          OH WOW. 
          PRETTY PROFOUND DIFFERENCE. 
          THEY SANDBLASTED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING AND COATED THE WALLS. 
          IT'S A FIT COATING THAT'S ON THE WALLS. 
          SPECIAL COATING LIGHTING WAS CHANGED OUT. 
          IT'S NOW LED. 
          THEY JUST DID AN AWESOME JOB ON THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE BEAMS, THEY'RE JUST NO, NO, JUST SANDBLASTED AND, AND, UH, AND PRIMED THEM AND PAINTED THEM WITH A, WITH A SPECIAL PAINT. 
          WHERE DID THE SALT GO IN THE INTERIM? SO, UM, RIGHT HERE,  . 
          THIS WAS, THIS WAS PUBLIC WORKS' GOOD WORK WAS ACTUALLY TO USE THE BUILDING AND THEY PULLED IT ALL OUT AND PUT IT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH TARPS OVER IT. 
          SO THEY, UH, FASTENED THE, THE TARPS TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN PULLED THEM BACK OVER THE ENTIRE PILE. 
          SO THAT RAIN DIDN'T, OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON IT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THEN STARTING TO PULL SOME OF THE TARPS BACK TO PUT THE SALT BACK IN THE BUILDING. 
          BUT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT FIND THAT PICTURE INTERESTING. 
          THAT'S HOW SALT GETS HERE. 
          PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO THEY'VE ALREADY PUT ALL THE SALT BACK AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REFILLING THE BARN NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YES SIR. 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FULL NOW, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. 
          UM, THEN THE OTHER ITEM WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS IT'S JUST KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, ONE, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, GETTING SOME DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT. 
          UM, WE PROVIDED YOU THE MT A S CANDIDATE PROFILE THAT GARY, UM, PUT TOGETHER AFTER YOUR MEETINGS. 
          UM, WE GOT OTHER, WE GOT COPIES OF IT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REFER TO IT. 
          I HAVE JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS FROM A FEW COMMISSIONERS. 
          NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU ALL ARE, UM, KIND OF ACCEPTING OF THIS AS THE STARTING POINT, WHETHER IT'S WITH MTAS OR WHETHER THIS IS PROVIDED TO A SEARCH FIRM. 
          UM, GOOD HIGH LEVEL. 
          UH, I THOUGHT THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RESOURCE THAT THE, UH, UH, TAXPAYERS ALREADY PAY FOR, UM, BUT TYPICALLY THOSE TYPE OF, UH, RESOURCES, UM, YOU DON'T GET WHAT I THINK WE GOT OUT OF, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY HIGH QUALITY. 
          UH, AND THEN HEARING, UH, FROM GARY, UH, ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD GO ABOUT, UH, KIND OF HELPING FURTHER WITH THIS. 
          UM, SO IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT, THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD, UH, BRING, UM, AND FIND WHO WE NEED. 
          AND THOSE ARE HIS PARAPHRASE SEDIMENTS, UH, TO ME WHEN I WAS, UH, INTERVIEWING WITH, UH, THEM. 
          BUT I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH, UH, WITH WHAT I HEARD FROM THEM. 
          FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, US PERHAPS GO THE ROLE OF A RETAINED SEARCH FIRM. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO, UM, THAT ROUTE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A RESOURCE THAT'S PAID FOR, UH, BY TAX DOLLARS. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT COMES IN. 
          UH, FROM THAT, IF WE DON'T GET WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN I THINK WE CAN, UM, UH, GO THE ROUTE OF A, UH, RETAINED SEARCH FIRM. 
          SO I THINK TRY STEP ONE. 
          IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN IT ALL GETS MOVED OVER, UH, TO THE RETAINED SEARCH FIRM AND, UH, THEY CAN CAST THEIR NET AND GO FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT I DID LIKE ABOUT GARY IS HE'S FAMILIAR WITH BRENTWOOD, MIDDLE TENNESSEE, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, HE SAID, I ASKED HIM HOW MANY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE US GETTING THROUGH YOUR RESOURCES AND HIS, HIS CONNECTIONS AND HE SAID 25 TO 30. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT QUALIFIED GOOD CANDIDATES, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, NARROW IT DOWN FROM THERE QUITE A BIT AND IT MIGHT, MIGHT NOT RESULT IN THE RIGHT PERSON. 
          UM, BUT I DID LIKE THAT HE, HE REALLY KNOWS ALREADY WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, KNOWS OUR STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I THINK IF WE WENT THIS THE ROUTE OF USING GARY, UH, IF WE FIND SOMEBODY THAT IS THE RIGHT FIT, WE COULD STILL OUTSOURCE 
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JUST THE BACKGROUND SEARCH. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS THE ONE THING HE DIDN'T COVER, UM, AND THAT SOME OF THE OTHER, THE SEARCH FIRMS WOULD COVER, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GET SOMEBODY A BACKGROUND SEARCH, AN EXTENSIVE ONE, UM, AND JUST GET THOSE SERVICES IF WE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF GARY AND, AND MTA AND WE COULD FILL IN THAT ONE HOLE WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, DO THE BACKGROUND SEARCH IF IT CAME TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, I KIND OF IN AN AWKWARD SPOT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I SHOULD BE ADVOCATING ONE OF THE OTHER, I MEAN IT'S SO YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO I MEAN, UM, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU ANNOUNCING EARLY SO WE CAN DO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE SCALE AND ADVOCATE EITHER WAY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR REPLACEMENT I THINK WOULD BE THAT PUT, UM, THAT PUT YOU IN A TOUGH SPOT GIVEN YEAH. 
          CERTAINLY CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR A CANDIDATE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS A PROCESS, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST MY OPINION AND INPUT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S PURELY GOTTA BE YOUR ALL'S DECISION. 
          'CAUSE IT'S YOUR PROCESS FOR YOUR, WELL, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW HOW MANY GARY HAS DONE IN THIS REGION AND HOW LONG HE'S BEEN DOING IT. 
          WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE PACKETS OF THE SEARCH FIRMS, MY CONCERN, AND I EMAILED YOU ABOUT THIS, WAS THEY HUGE TEAMS OF PEOPLE AND NONE OF 'EM KNEW MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL NORTHERN LOCATED AND MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW MUCH AS MUCH ABOUT BRENTWOOD. 
          ONE COMPANY HAD ONLY DONE THREE PLACEMENTS IN THE SOUTH, AND UM, TWO OF 'EM WERE OAK HILL AND BELL MEAT, WHICH ARE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I MEAN, THE POPULATION SIZE AND THE, THE SCOPE OF THE WORK OF A CITY MANAGER WERE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, THE GPS HAD, INSTEAD OF A TEAM, IT WOULD BE ONE PERSON. 
          AND I LIKED THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD EXPEDITE THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO CONSTANTLY WORK WITH A TEAM AS ONE PERSON. 
          WELL, ALL THREE OF 'EM, YOU'D HAVE A DEDICATED SINGLE CONSULTANT. 
          THE OTHER FIRMS, THEY WOULD HAVE BACKUP PEOPLE AND SUPPORT, BUT YOU'D HAVE ONE CONSULTANT THAT YOU WERE WORKING WITH. 
          UM, YEAH, BUT IT JUST, IT SEEMED MUCH MORE LIKE A COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH WITH THE TWO FIRMS THAT HAD TEAMS AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE THAT WAS ONE PERSON. 
          YEAH, IT'S THE, YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'RE BIG FIRMS, THEY HAVE THEIR STANDARD. 
          YEAH, NO QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM MM-HMM. 
          , I FELT LIKE THERE WAS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE POSSIBILITY OF KIND OF EXPEDITING THINGS IF IT WAS ONE PERSON. 
          UM, WITH THAT ONE. 
          SEE, I WAS LOOKING AT THINKING THAT I, I THOUGHT THE SEARCH FIRMS REALLY COME IN MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE STUFF I'VE SEEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          IN TERMS OF THE, IN TERMS OF COST, YOU MEAN? IN TERMS OF THE COST? RIGHT. 
          SO IN, IN TERMS OF A, A, A JOB AND OF A FUNCTION THAT WE TRY NOT TO DO MORE THAN ONCE A DECADE, AND FRANKLY WE HAVEN'T DONE IN WHATEVER 30 YEARS, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COST IS MONEY POORLY SPENT. 
          AND EVEN TALKING TO GARY, YOU KNOW, DURING THE MEETING WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT SEARCH FIRMS DO THAT MAS CAN'T AND, AND DOESN'T, I MEAN, THE SEARCH FIRMS BRING A LOT OF RESOURCES IN TERMS OF CASTING A WIDER NET, HAVING, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED MARKETING MATERIALS, BOTH MARKETING THE CITY AND MARKETING THE JOB. 
          AND I THINK THAT BRINGS SOME SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WITH MY EXPERIENCE WITH JOB SEARCHING, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D CALL IT GOING CHEAP, BUT TRYING TO GO AND JUST SAY, I MEAN THERE'S SEVERAL GOLF REMARKS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK, BUT MAYBE TRY GARY AND THEN SWITCH HORSES IF WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME. 
          BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE, YOU KNOW? SO I, I'D BE CONCERNED THAT TRYING TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T BRING THE RESOURCES OR SOME OF THE OTHER ADVANTAGES TO THE TABLE SAYING WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT LATER IF WE WANT TO, I THINK COULD PUT US IN A, IN A BAD SPOT FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT. 
          AND I THINK, UH, MOST CITIES OUR SIZE ARE, ARE, ARE SIMILAR PROFILES, CERTAINLY IS A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM, JUST AS A MATTER OF GOOD DUE DILIGENCE. 
          SO, I MEAN, IIII THINK GARY IS OUTSTANDING. 
          I THINK THE WORK THEY DID IS GREAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TEAM AT THE CITY SHARING THEIR EXPERIENCES BEING ANY KIND OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          I MEAN, I TOTALLY SEE YOU DON'T PICK YOUR OWN SUCCESSOR, BUT I THINK AS A RESOURCE TO THIS COMMISSION, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SHARING, YOU KNOW, AND JAY OR ANY OF Y'ALL, I MEAN, SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND YOUR INSIGHT I THINK IS VERY VALUABLE TO THE COMMISSIONS AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT WE DON'T, I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS WE THINK WE NEED OR THINK WE HAVE. 
          I THINK FEBRUARY WILL BE HERE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          AND I THINK MOVING QUICKLY TOWARDS A HIGH QUALITY SOLUTION, UH, I PERSONALLY FEEL IS IMPORTANT. 
          WELL, WITH THAT THOUGH, GARY'S ALREADY ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AHEAD OF ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE WOULD BRING IN. 
          'CAUSE HE'S ALREADY MET WITH EVERY, ALL 
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THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ALL OF US, AND HE'S READY TO BE READY TO ROCK. 
          BUT THAT'S INPUT SUIT GIVES TO A PROFESSIONAL SEARCH FIRM. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT GIVES THEM A HEAD START, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WORK ISN'T LOST, THAT WORK IS JUST TRANSFERRED. 
          ANYBODY NEW COMING IN IS GONNA END UP WANTING TO DO THEIR OWN MEET WITH ALL OF US AND MEET WITH ALL FOUR MINUTES. 
          THERE'LL BE SO YEAH. 
          FOR THEM TO SERVE YOU BEST, THEY NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INTRODUCTION TO YOU ALL IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE WOULD PAY FOR IF, IF WE DID THAT, THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO ASK US ALL QUESTIONS. 
          AND I MEAN, ON ONE OF 'EM, THE ENTIRE PHASE ONE WAS WHAT HE'S ALREADY DONE AND ANOTHER REASON TO GET RIGHT ON IT RATHER THAN WENT LONGER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AGAIN, FIVE OF YOU. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE, WE CAN KEEP TALKING. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE'RE THREE MONTHS INTO MY, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT AND, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVEN'T FIND, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT BEHIND IT. 
          BUT I THINK IF, IF WE DON'T START ADVERTISING BY THE END OF JULY, THEN WE'RE BEHIND. 
          WELL, AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, KIRK, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND YOU HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU WORK IN. 
          AND SO THAT IS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR OUR CITY. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YOU GAVE US LOTS OF TIME, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THINKING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THIS AND THERE IS SOMEBODY ALREADY WORKING ON IT WITH MTAS IS ALREADY WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND WE ARE, UM, ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD WITH THAT. 
          SO IT, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO EMPLOY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE GOING AND, AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOME GOOD OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM HERE. 
          SO. 
          WELL, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE I, YOU AND I COMMUNICATED YESTERDAY ABOUT WHAT MTAS IS, THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT MTAS IS DOING AT THIS POINT. 
          THIS IS THE END OF, OF WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO AT THIS POINT. 
          SO IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO THE NEXT STEP WE HAVE TO FORMALLY ASK, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO VOTE. 
          YEAH, I THINK YOU'D WANT TO GET GARY OR WHOEVER BACK IN IT JUST KIND OF, 'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU ALL TALK TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION MAJORITY WANTS TO GO IS TO INITIATE THAT WITH MT A S WOULD BE TO GET HIM BACK IN THERE AND JUST TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND NOT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. 
          SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AT A BRIEFING. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE IF AGAIN, THAT'S THE MAJORITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL JUST KIND OF ROLL THIS OVER TO THE NEXT, UH, COULD BRIEFING, COULD YOU EMAIL US AND ASK US WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE? COULD WE RESPOND OVER EMAIL, UH, REPLY TO ALL, BUT COULD WE RESPOND OVER EMAIL SO WE COULD GET IT GOING AND NOT LOSE TWO MORE WEEKS? YEAH, THAT'D BE, UH, PROBABLY PRUDENT. 
          I MEAN, I HATE TO LOSE ANY MORE TIME AND I, I'M, WHERE ARE WE LOSING TIME IF, IF WE HAVE TO WAIT TO ANOTHER BRIEFING TO EVEN SEVEN OF US SAY, OKAY, LET'S BRING GARY IN OR WHATEVER. 
          I THINK IF WE COULD, IF YOU EMAIL US AND WE RESPOND TO JUST YOU AND SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO AND GET, IF THE MAJORITY SAY, YEAH, LET'S JUST AT LEAST GET 'EM IN HERE AT ANOTHER BRIEFING. 
          BUT IF THE MAJORITY SAY THEY PREFER A SEARCH FIRM, THEN YOU, THEN WE GO THAT ROUTE. 
          RIGHT? THEN YOU'RE BACK TO STILL HAVING TO DISCUSS WHICH ONES AND WHATEVER. 
          SO, BUT OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'LL ASK YOU ALL TO KIND OF GIVE ME THE, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, ARE YOU PREPARED IF WE GO THE SEARCH FIRM ROUTE, ARE YOU PREPARED TO TELL US BASED ON HAVE Y'ALL HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH AND KIND OF SCORE YEAH. 
          A CHECKLIST AND SCORE WHAT CAME TO YOUR, YEAH. 
          WHAT ROSE TO THE TOP FOR YOU?  AGAIN, YOU GOT FOUR INDIVIDUAL SCORING WITHOUT ANY CONVERSATION AMONG 'EM. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A SWING ON THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, AND I DON'T MIND JUST SHARING THIS WITH YOU, BUT, UM, FIRST I WOULD SAY ALL FIRM, ALL ANY OF THE THREE COULD DO IT. 
          UM, BAKER TILLY, IF YOU JUST TAKE OUR SCORES CAME OUT ON TOP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE WERE MOST, UH, DISPARATE BETWEEN SCORING ON GPS. 
          UM, JAY WAS A LITTLE HARSHER ON THEM THAN, UH, THAN THE REST OF US FOR, FOR VALID REASONS ON HIS SIDE OF THINGS. 
          SO, UM, HMM. 
          BAKER TILLY AND MGT ARE ARE THE TWO BIG ONES. 
          TWO OF THE BIGGER ONES, UH, IN THIS MARKET. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS. 
          UM, BAKER TILLY DID BELL MEAD MOST RECENTLY WHEN THEY HIRED JENNIFER. 
          AND THEN, UH, DID OAK HILL IN THE PAST MGT, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY GOV HR AT THE TIME DID THE MOST RECENT SEARCH IN OAK RIDGE LAST FALL. 
          GPS HASN'T DONE ANYTHING IN TENNESSEE. 
          THEY'RE A SMALLER FIRM, WHICH HAS GOOD AND BAD TO IT IN MY OPINION. 
          AND MGT IS THE ONE THAT THEY PLACED IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THEN HAD TO PLACE A, A CITY MANAGER AGAIN THREE YEARS LATER. 
          CARBO CAROLINA. 
          YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          UM, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACEMENTS, DO YOU REMEMBER ALL THE CITIES THAT MTAS PLACED? 'CAUSE THEY HAD THEIR LIST THAT THEY SAID IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY PLACED SEVERAL CITY MANAGERS. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER? I THOUGHT OAK RIDGE WAS ON THAT LIST. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING A LIST OF THEM. 
          IT'S GENERALLY THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH. 
          UH, GARY'S WORKING WITH ASHLAND CITY NOW. 
          I THINK MILLERSVILLE MAYBE. 
          MAYBE HE'S WORKING WITH MILLERSVILLE. 
          I 
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THINK HE IS. 
          ANYBODY'S WORKED WITH MR. NO, HE SAID HE WAS, THEY MAY HAVE WORKED WITH TELE HOMA. 
          I, I, I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM OF, OF CITIES OUR SIZE. 
          I, I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY IT'S THE SMALLER CITIES WHO WOULD NOT BE INCLINED TO, TO SPEND THE MONEY ON A, ON A SEARCH FIRM LIKE THIS. 
          UM, I CAN ASK GARY TO GIMME A LIST. 
          UM, HE MAY HAVE WORKED WITH HENDERSONVILLE WHEN THEY WERE HEADING DOWN THAT PATH AND THEN THEY SWITCHED PATHS. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME CITY MANAGER THING. 
          BUT I, I CAN ASK THAT. 
          WHY DON'T YOU SEND US AN EMAIL SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND INDIVIDUALLY AND INCLUDE WHAT GARY'S WORKED WITH AND WE CAN LET YOU KNOW IF WE WANNA GO IN AND HAVE GARY BACK IN. 
          WELL, I'D BE INTERESTED IN MTAS IN GENERAL AND HOW THEY, WHAT CITY SAFE PLACE, NOT JUST NECESSARILY GARY. 
          'CAUSE THEY, THEIR NETWORK IS SHARED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WAS THE ONE, UM, LADY THAT WAS HERE BEFORE? HA HANA HANA YOUNG. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I KNOW SHE MENTIONED SOME CITIES. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY, I JUST CAN'T RECALL. 
          YEAH, SHE'S OUT OF SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THINGS OR SOUTHEAST PART OF THE STATE. 
          EZ SIR. 
          I CAN ASK THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER, AGAIN NOT ASKING, I'M JUST KIND OF KEEP TRYING TO KEEP THIS IN FRONT OF YOU IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. 
          NOT THERE WAS NO DEFINITIVE DECISION, BUT THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          AGAIN, NO MATTER WHO YOU USE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S GOTTA BE PART OF THE PACKAGE, THE ADVERTISEMENT AND UH, AND A HIRING SALARY RANGE. 
          AND WE'RE COLLECTING SOME, I'VE GOT ONE OTHER CITY I'M TRYING TO GET, UH, THE RANGE OR THE MANAGER SALARY FROM. 
          WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU TOO AND THAT PUBLIC RECORD. 
          YEAH, IT IS, BUT I'M NOT, IT'S NOT IT EASIER ON US. 
          , I'VE JUST REACHED OUT TO THE MANAGERS DIRECTLY AND I THINK CHRIS IS IN KINGSPORT OUT OF TOWN OR SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S USEFUL, BUT YOU KNOW, THE KINGSPORT OR JOHNSON CITY VERSUS WILLIAMSON COUNTY, MIDDLE TENNESSEE, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT YOU JUST GOTTA TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          WHAT WAS, WHAT GARY SAID THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IS WE CAN'T HELP AT ALL WITH LIKE, WE CAN'T MAKE A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOUSE. 
          WE CAN'T, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE IN A BONUS KIND OF SITUATION. 
          WE CAN'T PAY, WE CAN'T BUY A HOUSE, WE CAN'T PAY FOR A HOUSE. 
          WE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T GO INTO DEBT FOR THE BENEFIT OF SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF A HOUSING ALLOWANCE OR SOMETHING OF HE EVEN WAS, IT WOULD'VE TO BE LIKE A, A BONUS THAT THAT PERSON COULD CHOOSE TO USE OR NOT. 
          IT DIDN'T EVEN SOUND LIKE IT COULD BE A HOUSING ALLOWANCE WHEN I TALKED TO HIM. 
          THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I NO, NO, WE'D HAVE TO RUN THAT THROUGH THE COMPTROLLER OR WHATEVER HE YEAH, HE GOT, YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ONE HIS, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WAS THE COMPTROLLER IS NOT GONNA LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW CERTAINLY, YEAH. 
          MOVING COSTS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S PRETTY, YEAH, NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, YEAH, THAT WAS DIFFERENT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS HOW YOU HELP SOMEONE AFFORD A HOME, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE LIKE A BONUS, NOT, NOT ANY KIND OF HOUSING, ALL OF WHICH IS TAXABLE TO THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          GOOD POINT. 
          WELL, WELL THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SCORING, UM, IS, IS REALLY GOOD INCLUDING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I GUESS THE SPREAD SORT OF SEEING HOW IT IS. 
          AND I, I THINK, UH, EVERY ONE OF THE FIRMS, YOU KNOW, HAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO THINKS THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST. 
          YOU KNOW, AND JAY AND I COULD TALK LATER ON IF HE HAD SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ONE THAT HE THOUGHT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST. 
          I THINK, I MEAN JAY CAN ARTICULATE IT WAS, BUT, BUT JUST, JUST FROM THE LOOK OF THE SPREAD, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THESE THREE IN THE PROCESS THAT DO. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ALL HAD POINTS THAT MEMBERS OF THE STAFF REALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'VE GOT TWO LARGE NATIONAL ONES THAT HAVE A LONG HISTORY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SMALLER ONE THAT'S NOT, HASN'T BEEN AROUND AS LONG AND THAT WAS PART OF JAY'S ISSUE. 
          THEY WERE INCORPORATED IN 2020. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S TWO MID-CAREER GUYS WHO, YOU KNOW, DECIDED TO START A FIRM AND THEYVE GOT I THINK A TOTAL OF 14 ENGAGEMENTS, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENTS THEY'VE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S ONLY IN THREE STATES. 
          SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE LEVEL WAS QUITE DISPARATE FROM THE OTHERS. 
          IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          SO THE OTHER TWO, TWO VERY GOOD CHOICES THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD WITH COMMUNITIES AND, AND PRACTICALLY FOR A, FOR A A, A PREMIUM CITY, HIGH END CITY WITH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, I THINK HAVING A REALLY GOOD PARTNER LIKE THIS WITH A WIDE SEARCH NET WOULD BE VERY POSITIVE FOR US. 
          AND MOVING FORWARD QUICKLY WITH THAT WOULD GIVE US, I FEEL LIKE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A, A, A REALLY POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR OUR CITIZENS. 
          AND, AND REALLY OVER THE TERM WE USE THE CITY MANAGERS, I THINK THE FEE IS, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY MINOR. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THEM ALL BEING THE SAME HUNT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A MARKET RATE FOR THIS JUST TO BE SURE. 
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I I JUST WANNA LAY ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THE FEE IS NOT JUST IT WITHIN, WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES AND WE'RE BRINGING CANDIDATES IN AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS TOO. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING INCLUSIVE AND SOME THERE ARE ADD-ONS AND BUT IN THE MAGNITUDE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR. 
          BUT EVEN FOR WATCHING, I MEAN CANDIDATES, THE CANDIDATE TRAVEL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SURE. 
          BUT I MATTER. 
          SURE. 
          THOSE WATCHING AT HOME UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I WILL SAY THE MGT ONE, I, I DON'T SAY IT WAS A LITTLE BIT WEIRDLY PRICED AND THAT THEIR PRICE DID NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL. 
          TRAVEL FOR THEIR CONSULTANTS TO COME HERE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODD WAY TO RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          PRESENT IT TO PRICE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SERIOUSLY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SEEMED A LOT OF ADDONS AND PIECEMEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND LIKE THE NICKEL AND DIAMOND PAULA CART. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE PERSONAL INTERVIEW THINGS THAT THEY ALL, ALL THREE HAD, BUT MGT WAS GONNA CHARGE YOU A HUNDRED DOLLARS A CANDIDATE FOR THOSE. 
          AND THE OTHER TWO WERE GONNA IS IN. 
          SO THERE'S JUST A LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN, IN MY MIND. 
          THAT'S WHY I RATED MGT DOWN MORE THAN ANYTHING ON THE PRICE OF THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO YOU GOT TWO BIG FIRMS, IF YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES BUT HAVE THEIR STANDARD WAY OF DOING THINGS. 
          YOU GOT A SMALLER FIRM HASN'T BEEN AROUND AS LONG, YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE MORE PERSONAL SERVICE. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE DEPENDENT UPON THAT ONE PERSON. 
          NOTHING HAPPENED TO THAT PERSON IN THE, IN THE THREE OR FOUR MONTH PROCESS. 
          AND I'M LOSING THAT. 
          THEY ALL HAVE ACCESS. 
          I'M GONNA MESS UP THE INITIALS, THE ICMA OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY ALL, THAT'S WHICH I MEAN GARY WITH TA HAS THAT TOO. 
          THE ADVERTISING PROCESS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME. 
          THE RESOURCES, WE'LL ADVERTISE AND TCMA AND ALL THE REGIONAL STATE ASSOCIATIONS ICMA WILL BE YOUR BIGGEST SOURCE. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          SO THE, THE CANDIDATE POOL FROM, FROM THE ADVERTISING PART OF IT, I DON'T KNOW AS MUCH DIFFERENT EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S MTS OR THESE PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THE LEVEL OF CANDIDATE REVIEW AND ASSESSMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF FROM A SEARCH FIRM VERSUS MT A S SO MT A S MARKETS THE SAME WAY THESE FIRMS DO IN TERMS OF PUTTING TOGETHER THE BROCHURE. 
          YES. 
          AND GOING OUT AND DOING ALL THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF MT A S WOULD PUT PAY TO PUT THE BROCHURE TOGETHER THAT WE WOULD TAKE THIS, I THINK AND PROBABLY PUT OUR OWN QUESTION FOR GARY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD INCUR THE COST TO PUT THE SLICK BROCHURE TOGETHER THAT GETS EMAILED. 
          BUT I MAY BE WRONG. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME. 
          THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION FROM GARY WAS THAT, THAT THOSE WOULD BE TAKING THAT THOSE KIND OF FUNCTIONS IN HOUSE AND DOING THAT OURSELVES AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A PARTNER THAT HAS BOTH THE RESOURCES TO, TO, TO MARKET IT, YOU KNOW, HAVING KNOW WHAT THE MARKET AND THE POSITIONING IS TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF IT. 
          AND ALSO MIGHT HAVE OTHER CANDIDATES THEY KNOW FROM OTHER SEARCHES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE DIFFERENCE IS IS THE, THE, JUST THE ADVERTISING PART, PLACING ADS AND WHAT GENERATES FROM THERE. 
          NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          'CAUSE IT, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PLACES, PLACES TO PUT IT, YOU GONNA PUT IT. 
          UM, THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IS WHETHER THE SEARCH FIRM IS ABLE TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES THAT AREN'T GONNA JUST RESPOND FROM A COLD AD. 
          AND THEN THE LEVEL OF BACKGROUND REVIEW AND ASSESSMENT OF THOSE TOP CANDIDATES LIKE WAS DESCRIBED HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL CHECKS AND, AND EDUCATION VERIFICATION, SOCIAL MEDIA REVIEWS AND ALL THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT MT A S DOES THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF BEING A PUBLIC AGENCY LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. 
          GENERATING INTEREST FROM ADVERTISING. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          KIRK, THE LET, AND LET ME ASK THE, THE DATABASE THAT THE DIFFERENT FIRMS HAVE OF CONTACTLESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, DO, DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DATABASE MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE MARKETING? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BY GENERATING INTEREST FROM FOLKS WHO WOULDN'T JUST SEE THE AD AND APPLY. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU AND I, I GET, WE'RE ON THE EMAIL LIST, I GET THREE OR FOUR EMAILS A DAY FROM THESE FIRMS, NOT A DAY A WEEK REMINDING ME OF THE DEADLINE FOR THIS MANAGER JOB OR THAT MANAGER JOB. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT NO, IF THOSE PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING, THAT JUST GETS DELETED. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT SERIOUSLY LOOKING, BUT YOU SEE BRENTWOOD, TENNESSEE AND THAT MIGHT SPARK YOUR INTEREST. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFERENCE. 
          YOU ALL GOTTA DECIDE WHAT'S THE, THE VALUE OF THAT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          COOL. 
          WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? THAT'S IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU NOTICE US THE DATA ON THE SALARY RANGES. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST WAITING FOR KINGSPORT, UM, FOR CHRIS TO RESPOND BACK TO ME. 
          AND THEN ALL THE PLACES THAT TAZ HAS ALREADY RIGHT. 
          WORK WITH BOTH GARY AND THE, THE OTHER LADY. 
          SO, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE STATE OR JUST THOSE TWO PEOPLE? DO YOU WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, LEVEL CITIES AND HIGHER? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NEED LITTLE SMALL TOWNS, SO MAYBE WE DO. 
          I THINK WE DO BECAUSE IF WE'RE CONSIDERING ONE OF THESE AND IT'S, AND THEY'RE FACTORING IN BELLED OR OAK HILL AS COMPARABLE, THEN MAYBE WE DO NEED TO KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH 
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THAT IS, IS AS RELEVANT THE SIZE OF THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          GET WHATEVER MTAS HAS DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE EACH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE SOPHISTICATION OF THE CITY, THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENT APPLICANT POOL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND THE SERVICES PROVIDED ARE GENERALLY THE SAME. 
          UM, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS THERE'S ANY COOL, THANK YOU.
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