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RIGHT.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing February 8, 2024 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting. ]
BOARD MONDAY AT 6 45.FIRST IS, UM, EVERGREEN, LLC FOR A ON-PREMISE IN THE HILL CENTER THERE.
IT'S THE SAME RESTAURANT I THINK TODAY AS A TY IS SAYING.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I IT'S IN HERE AS A CHANGE IN NAME OF OWNERSHIP.
SOMEONE SAID IT'S NOT REALLY AN OWNERSHIP, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN NAME.
UM, RIGHT THERE NEXT TO, UH, MAPLE STREET.
IT'S TURNED OVER TWO OR THREE TIMES SPACE.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS COHEN FAMILY ENTERPRISES, MAMA D'S, WHICH IS THE OLD CITY CAFE SPACE.
UM, SOMEBODY IN STAFF TOLD ME THAT THIS, THE FAMILY, IT'S ALL A FAMILY TO LOOK AT THE OWNERSHIP.
SPRING HILL THAT CLOSED DOWN OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS, UM, I WENT TO THE SOFT OPENING UP THE, IT WAS, UM, FOCUSED ON MEAT AND FREE AND MAC AND CHEESE DOWN IN SPRING HILL.
THIS ONE HAS MORE OF A SPORTS BAR FLARE.
AND, UH, THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY BIG BAR.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HAPPY HOURS EVERY DAY, UM, ALL DAY ON SUNDAY.
AND PROBABLY GOT 10 OR 12 BIG SCREEN TVS.
BOB IS HERE, I BELIEVE'S OVER THERE.
I GOT A, A COMPLAINT FROM A RESIDENT THAT SAID THERE WAS, I'M NOT GOING TO USE NAMES OF RESTAURANTS HERE IN CASE THEY'RE INCORRECT, THAT THERE WAS A RESTAURANT DID NOT HAVE A PUBLIC BATHROOM.
AND I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT.
IT IS, ISN'T IT? I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO FOR A RESTAURANT.
BUT I DO YOU WANNA LET US KNOW OFF CAMERA? PARDON ME? IF YOU WANNA LET US KNOW OFF CAMERA WHICH ONE IT IS.
BUT ISN'T THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT I'LL, I MAYBE THAT'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES NOT A CITY THING.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT, BUT IT HAS TO BE IN THE BUILDING AND ACCESS TO THE RESTAURANT.
I'LL, I'LL FIND, WELL, THIS IS A STAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S STANDALONE.
IT'S LIKE IN A CHAIN MEAN A STRING OF STORES.
SO THERE IS NO OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD AND I WASN'T SURE THEY WERE ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT THAT, BUT I THOUGHT I'D CHECK.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK IF YOU CAN LET ME KNOW THE ADDRESS.
UH, WE'LL HAVE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR THE JUDGE.
AND KRISTEN, YOU TELL ME THIS ISN'T ONE YOU HAVE TO DO.
CONSENT ITEMS. ITEM ONE IS THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, ACCEPTING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON MOORES LANE.
ITEM TWO IS AUTHORIZING STAFF TO PROCEED WITH ACQUIRING, NOT RELAY ANY EASEMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALK PROJECT ON WEST PARK BETWEEN MARYLAND LANE, CADILLAC.
I SENT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY TO SEE CATHERINE AND COPY SEVERAL PEOPLE AND JUST ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE QUESTION.
I KNOW I'M NEW, SO I'M STILL LEARNING A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PIPELINE FOR A WHILE.
UM, WHEN I SAW THIS ORIGINALLY ON OUR, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING A FEW WEEKS AGO OR MONTHS AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BIKE OR WALK PATH THAT HAD JUST BEEN PUT IN PARALLEL TO OLD DEGREE BOULEVARD.
BUT THEN I REALIZED THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS
UM, THAT, THAT I GUESS HIGHWOODS PUT IN UP THERE.
BUT, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF THE SIDEWALK AND THEN HOW TO GET THE PEOPLE ACROSS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE AND THAT INTERSECTION.
I KNOW WHEN THAT INTERSECTION WAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS BUILT THE WAY IT WAS.
UM, BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND AND ALL THAT? WELL, THE DRAWING IS UP THERE, AS YOU SAID, IT'S NOT A GREAT INTERSECTION EVEN FOR, IT'S NOT CARS.
SO LARGE OFFICE BUILDING OR PARK COMPLEX HERE, HARPER THUMB TO GREEN.
UH, YOU SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY BACK AND FORTH ACROSS HERE.
UM, SO I THINK PROBABLY COVID TIME 21, 20 20 21, WE, UH, AND, AND THEY, THIS IS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS AND MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE AND, AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, CAME UP WITH THIS PROJECT ONE TO TRY
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TO MAKE A SAFER CROSSING LOCATION FOR PEDESTRIANS KIND OF OUT OF THIS BUILDING TO REACH ALL THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY HERE.AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY TO AND FROM MARYLAND WAY UP HERE TO REACH THIS LOCATION.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF SAFETY AND JUST BETTER ACCESSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE COMING AND GOING TO FROM OFFICE BUILDINGS TO OUR RESTAURANTS AND SALES TAX AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
WHAT DOES I, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION A WHILE BACK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO TRY AND RECONFIGURE AND MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFER.
AND I DO REMEMBER THAT AND CROSSWALK SITUATION.
I DON'T REMEMBER EVER DOING THE SIDEWALK DOWN.
'CAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A SIDEWALK ALREADY EXISTING ON PENN WARRANT JUST PARALLEL TO THAT.
SO I DON'T REMEMBER THIS SIDEWALK.
I REMEMBER DOING, TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SAFER AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO I GUESS WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT SAFER FOR CARS TO GO OUTTA CADILLAC TURN LEFT TO GO DOWN? IT'S NOT SAFER FOR CARS.
IT'S SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS COMING HERE.
SO MY, MY CONCERN IS IF WE'RE PUTTING A SIDEWALK BEAR, WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT THIS DANGEROUS INTERSECTION AS OPPOSED TO IF WE TRY AND DRIVE, HAVE 'EM COME UP PENN WARREN AND PUT A CROSSWALK FROM PENN WARREN OVER TO THE STARBUCKS SIDE OF IT, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK FROM HERE GENERALLY AND GO ABSOLUTELY THIS BUILDING, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT.
PEOPLE GONNA BE COMING HERE OR THE PEOPLE FROM OFFICE BUILDING.
I GO IN THAT AREA ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I HAVE SEVERAL BUSINESS THINGS THAT I HAVE TO RUN ERRANDS HERE.
AND THEY'RE YOUNG AND THERE'S CONSTANT FLOW FROM THAT OFFICE BUILDING.
AND PEOPLE SOMETIMES WILL EVEN GET IN THE STREET THERE WALKING TO GET TO WHATEVER RESTAURANT THEY WANT TO OR FROM HERE TO THERE, UH, WALK ON THE SIDE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RAINING AND THEN THAT THE GRASSY AREA IS MUDDY.
BUT IT, THAT'S A REAL DANGEROUS SECTION.
AND I'M, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH A CROSSWALK COMING FROM THE OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE TOWARDS STARBUCKS.
BUT I WOULD THINK PUTTING THAT CROSSWALK NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION AND NOT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COME UP AND DOWN ON THE SIDEWALK AND ADDING TO THE CONFUSION WHERE THEY CROSS IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS.
IT'D BE BETTER IF THEY CROSSED, IF THEY'RE COMING FROM MARYLAND WAY, IF THEY CAME UP PENN WARREN AND CROSSED CADILLAC THERE.
'CAUSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T, HERE YOU HAVE A SIGNAL AND A PROTECTED CROSSING OF THE SIDEWALK ON SOUTH SIDE OF MARYLAND WAY AT PENN WARREN.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAFELY CROSS MARYLAND WAY TO GET UP HERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SIGNAL AT THAT WARN.
WELL, THEY CAN CROSS AND THEN GO DOWN MARYLAND WAY TO PENN WARN THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF HERE.
YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT IN FRONT OF GREEK CAFE FARM BUREAU.
WELL, I MEAN I THINK THAT THE CROSSWALK PROBABLY MAKES SENSE.
AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING THAT INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE IT'S A TOUGH INTERSECTION.
BUT THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK LOOKING AT THIS CONFIGURATION HERE, AND MAYBE STAFF DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE REALIZE THIS.
IT WON'T GET USED LIKE YOU THINK IT WILL THOUGH FOR PEOPLE COMING THAT WAY.
BUT THAT'S FINE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
I THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF SIGNIFICANT CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION OF CADILLAC AND WEST PARK.
I DO THINK WE NEED, THE OTHER PROBLEM YOU HAVE COMING UP PENN WARREN IS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DYSFUNCTIONAL CROSSING POINT TOO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TURN LANES.
YOU JUST GOT TWO LANES GOING EACH DIRECTION.
SO IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT CARS ARE DOING COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
I I DON'T KNOW HOW SAFE THAT IS AS A PEDESTRIAN ACROSS, I MEAN, I GET THAT'S NOT A LOT DIFFERENT FROM CREEKSIDE CROSSING BY MOSS WHERE THEY'RE CROSSING FROM THAT OFFICE BUILDING OVER THERE AND YOU DON'T HAVE, BUT CADILLAC DRIVE IS MUCH LESS USED THAN WEST PARK.
SO A PEDESTRIAN GOING ACROSS THE CADILLAC IS NOT SAFE.
IT BECOMES, BECOMES A FOUR-LEGGED INTERSECTION WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CROSS 'EM INSTEAD OF A THREE-LEGGED THERE, A CAT THREE AND WE PUT STOP SIGNS ANYWHERE.
IS THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA PUT A STOP SIGN AT ON, ON CADILLAC AT AT PENN WARREN, YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY JUST COMING OFF OF UM, WESTMARK.
I GUESS WHAT I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF I'M ON CADILLAC AND I'VE BEEN TO STARBUCKS AND I'M ON CADILLAC AND I WANNA TURN LEFT TO GO DOWN THE MARYLAND WAY, I WOULD THINK I'M MORE LIKELY WITH TRYING TO NAVIGATE CARS COMING AT ME, I'M MORE LIKELY TO CROSS PATHS AND DANGEROUSLY POTENTIALLY HIT SOMEBODY WALKING THAT CROSSWALK.
AS OPPOSED TO IF THE CROSSWALK IS NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION AND ALL I'M DOING IS I'M, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TURN RIGHT AND I CAN SEE BY THE PEOPLE COMING.
I THINK THE ISSUE, IF YOU PUT IT HERE, THE VISIBILITY OF THIS TRAFFIC SEEING IT IS THE PROBLEM HERE.
IT'S MORE VISIBLE FOR THE NORTH.
THERE'S THE CURVE THERE AND WE ARE UPDATING THE, UH, FLASHING BEACON SYSTEM THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S OUTDATED.
AND UH, THERE'LL BE NEW LED MM-HMM
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THE, THE ROAD AND THE CURVE IS WHAT DICTATED THE CROSSWALK BEING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION.BECAUSE IF YOU GOT NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC, THEIR VISIBILITY OF SEEING PEOPLE HERE IS A MUCH SHORTER THAN IF THEY TO SEEING PEOPLE HERE.
AND ALSO KIRK, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT ON THE THAT, UM, GOSH, WHAT IS IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION THERE GOING INTO HARPETH? THERE IS NO CROSSWALK, THERE'S NO RAMP, THERE'S NO ANYTHING THERE ON THIS, ON THE SIDE WHERE KIRK HAS HIS POINTER, THEY'VE CONSTRUCTED A BRAND NEW SIDEWALK AND BASED UPON THIS PLAN THAT WE WERE ALREADY IN THE WORKS WITH WHEN THEY DID THEIR PLAN HERE.
YEAH, I SAW THAT THIS MORNING.
IS IS THERE A WAY OR YOU WANT YEAH, UM, MAYBE THE SOLUTION IS BECAUSE WE DO WANT, MAYBE THE SOLUTION IS THE SIDEWALK HERE THAT CONNECTS DOWN, UM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALK ON PAPER.
MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT SHORT SECTION, THE CADILLAC DRIVE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GO ALL DOWN WEST PARK, THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON CADILLAC NEXT TO STARBUCKS ALREADY THAT GOES THE, RUNS THE LENGTH OF CADILLAC.
UM, BUT HAVING IT ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT CONNECTS INTO VERSUS KIND OF RIGHT THERE, UM, PEN WARREN, THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN IDEAL PLACE FOR A CROSSWALK.
I'M NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE A WAY FOR THEM TO CROSS RIGHT THERE, UM, AT WEST PARK, UH, AND THEN JUST A LITTLE SECTION OF A SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO THE ACQUISITION ALONG WEST PARK, UH, DO IT ON CADILLAC TO SET A SHORT SECTION.
BUT THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING THEN TO CROSS NORTH SOUTH? NO, LEAVE THE CROSSWALK, UH, UP THERE, UH, AT WEST PARK.
SO, SO FOR PEOPLE COMING UP PENN WARREN, YOU'RE SAYING GO HERE, DO THIS, DO THIS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO AT THAT E THEY'RE GONNA GO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WITH NO FLASHING.
THEY REALLY LIKE, THEY ALREADY DO NOW.
I MEAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
DID WE SAY, DID WE COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF, OKAY, LET'S PUT IT THERE AND NEIL SCHAFER WILL DESIGN IT OR DID WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING TRAFFIC CONSULTANT SUGGEST THAT THIS WAS THE BEST FLIGHT? WELL WE WERE, AND I LOOK DEREK OR SARAH CATHERINE, CORRECT ME, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTION AND FELT LIKE GETTING A SIDEWALK DOWN TO MARYLAND WAY AT A SIGNALED INTERSECTION WAS THE BEST WAY.
SO I THINK WE KIND OF OUTLINED THE PROJECT TO THEM.
THIS ALL DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
THE ISSUE IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ISSUE NOW WITH WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE.
WELL, WHOEVER WOULD COME IN WITH SOME EXPERT INFORMATION FOR US BECAUSE WE CAN ALL GUESS WHO'S GOING WALK WHERE DON'T YOU THINK? YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
MAYBE WE DEFER IT FOR, UH, AND THEN UNDERSTAND THE COST DIFFERENCES, UM, BECAUSE KIND OF CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE VERSUS THAT LITTLE SECTION.
UH, THERE'S A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO BE HAD.
I MEAN, I DON'T GO OVER THERE AND WALK, SO I WOULD JUST BE CONJECTURING ON WHAT I THINK SOMEBODY'S GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME OUTTA THAT OFFICE.
BUT I KNOW I ALWAYS TAKE THE SHORTEST ROUTE ANYWHERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE, BUT, WELL, IS IS IT POSSIBLE WITH THE SITUATION, WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC TO PUT UM, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW A BETTER TERM, A TABLETOP CROSSWALK THAT WOULD SLOW TRAFFIC AS ACTING AS A SPEED HUMP AND KEEP A CROSSWALK ELEVATED AND PEOPLE ARE HIGHER AND FLASHING AND ALL THAT IS THERE ON WHICH ROAD ON, UM, WEST PARK.
IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT? SO THAT WOULD BE A, A BIT OF A PROBLEM, COMMISSIONER BECAUSE OF THE, UH, SITE DISTANCE BEFORE THAT AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A CURB, THE, THE SPEED TABLE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I GUESS I AM JUST AN ELEVATED CROSSWALK.
I'M NOT SAYING IT COULDN'T BE DONE, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIT PROBLEMATIC FOR THE DRIVER.
FOR FOR THE DRIVER AND UH, THE PEDESTRIAN THAT'S THERE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE COMING OVER THE, THE HEEL AND THE INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE A CAR SKID OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONJECTURING HERE.
SO SOME, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE STUDIED BY SOMEBODY THAT'S BETTER AT TRAFFIC THAN ME.
NOT SAYING IT COULDN'T BE DONE, BUT IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AS SIMPLE AS SAYING, LET'S JUST PUT A SPEED TABLE THERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO THINK OF WAYS TO SLOW DOWN THE CURVE BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS NOT SAFE.
'CAUSE REALLY WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE
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THAT ARE IN THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS UP HERE.BECAUSE ANYONE THAT'S OVER ON THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS CAN COME UP, PENN WARREN AND THESE FOLKS CAN GET TO THIS SPACE AND THEN FIND A SPOT TO CROSS.
AND REALLY THE GOAL IS UP HERE.
I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANNA WALK DOWN PIN MORE INTO THE, THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT MORE LIKELY GOING INTO THAT PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER.
AND ALSO JUST A BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE SPEED TABLES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN YOU DO THOSE TYPICALLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU'D ADD MORE PEDESTRIAN FEATURES AT THAT AREA TOO.
AND SOMETIMES THEY DO THE, UM, LIKE A BUTTON WHERE YOU PUSH A BUTTON IN AND IT CHANGES FROM A YELLOW TO A STOP SIGN TO A, TO A RED LIGHT.
I THINK THEY'RE ALSO CALLED, UH, HAWK SIGNALS OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, WE'LL PULL IT OFF OF, UH, CONSENT AND UH, AND THEN JUST MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEFER, YOU'D HAVE TO PICK A TIME TO DEFER TO OR JUST, CAN WE JUST PULL IT OFF FOR NOW HERE, JUST VOTE IT DOWN, I GUESS.
YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING.
UM, JUST VOTE IT DOWN THEN INSTEAD OF DEFER IT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PUT AN ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE ON UH, ON ANYBODY.
I WILL SAY, I WANNA ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I COME IN AND OUT OF GREEK CAFE AND FARM BUREAU AND ALL THAT, ALL THE TIME MORE PEOPLE ARE CROSSING AT MOR CIRCLE AND GOING ACROSS TOWARDS PENN WARREN TO GET TO ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS OVER ON WEST PARK, THAT SIDEWALK.
NONE OF THOSE, THEY'RE GONNA BE, IF THEY'RE GOING INTO CREEK CAFE AREA, THOSE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE CROSS, NONE OF 'EM HAVE ACCESS POINTS TO THOSE PARKING LOTS.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF GOING OVER BUSHES AND MULCH AND STUFF TO GET INTO LIKE GREAT CAFE.
IF YOU DRIVE 'EM UP, IF YOU HAVE 'EM, FORCE 'EM UP WEST PARK, WE DO THE SAME.
COME DOWN HERE AND THEN YOU GO TO THE SIDEWALK.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THEY DO TODAY.
I THINK WE, WE, WE NEED TO PAUSE ON IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT OFF AND THEN JUST GO TO DENY IT.
BUT WE STILL WANNA LOOK AT IT FUTURE DATE.
YEAH, I MEAN YOU'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND AMEND THE CONTRACT WITH NEIL SCHAFER AND TO, TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT OPTION.
THREE IS A PROVEN SMITH PARK MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL RULES THAT I THINK WERE ENDORSED BY THE PARK BOARD ON MONDAY NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT OR DAVE'S HERE.
JUST WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL.
YOUTH LEADERSHIP HAD THEIR GRADUATION AND THEY GET RID GIVEN THREE PROJECTS.
AND ONE OF THEM WAS A PROJECT.
THEY HAD TWO HOURS TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL.
AND THIS WAS A YOUTH TELLING AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS FOR THEM AND FOR FAMILIES AND HOW IT WOULD PULL FAMILIES TOGETHER.
ALL THE PRESENTATIONS WERE GOOD.
I JUST MENTIONED THIS JUST BECAUSE IT CAME UP NOW, BUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE SEEM TO REALLY LIKE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW THIS OR NOT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD YES.
ON NAMING THE TRAILS OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE SOME WONDERFUL ONES THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
THEY'RE REALLY A HARDWORKING GROUP.
I MEAN, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PEOPLE, NOT THE LEADERSHIP.
BUT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON WHO IT WAS.
AND THEY BROUGHT UP SOMETHING I SEE HERE THAT WE HAVE THE CHECK QR CODE ON THE MAIN MAP.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, THEY SAID QR CODES THROUGHOUT, OCCASIONALLY THROUGHOUT THE ACTUAL TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO IF THEY HAD TO CALL 9 1 1, THEY CAN YEAH.
TELL EXACT 9 1 1 EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE FOUR OR FIVE MILE LOOP.
THEY'RE COMING UP WITH THEIR OWN SIGNAGE, AREN'T THEY? NOT DAVE OR, OKAY.
I JUST, IT WAS KIND OF A COOL CONCEPT.
HAVE A QR CODE WITHIN THE, I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON HOW TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE QR CODE OR NOT.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CHARLES IS IN THE LOOP WITH THAT.
WE DON'T WANT THESE SIGNS LOOKING LIKE NOTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY RENTAL.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME UNIFORMITY THROUGH OUR PARK SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE UNIFORMITY IN THE PARK SYSTEM.
BUT WE GOTTA WE GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
WE'VE GOTTA FIND A, AND I MEAN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN, UM, WHAT WAS HER NAME? DEANNA LAMBERT THAT WAS HERE.
WE HAVE TO FIND SOME JUMPING OFF POINT, UH, TO START TO HAVE SOME ELEMENT OF STANDARDIZATION.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST ALL OF
WELL, I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INTERIOR ALONG THE TRAIL SIGNAGE OR JUST WITHIN THE PARK TO GET TO THE EVERYWHERE WITH THE UP IN THE, UH, PARK SYSTEM.
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PURPLE AND PINK IS AN EXAMPLE.WELL, IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR DESIGN? ALL THAT'S TO SAY THEY'RE JUST SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE WITHIN ALL SIGNAGE? YEAH.
ALL THE MAIN SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE PARKS, THE RULE SIGNS, UH, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, ALL THAT STUFF.
OUR UNIFORM, THE CITY STANDARDS, THE HIKING TRAIL, AND NOW THE MOUNTAIN BIKING, UM, ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR STANDARD.
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE MOUNTAIN BIKING SO THAT IT'S NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT THE HIKING TRAIL, THE HIKING TRAIL IS.
SO THERE IS NO CONFUSION THAT YOU'RE EITHER ON A HIKING TRAIL OR A BIKING TRAIL.
SO THEY WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A STANDARD DIRECTIONAL SIGN WOULD BE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE ON POST WITH LITTLE SYMBOLS, UH, SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO HIKING OR, YOU KNOW, BIKING ONLY AND, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT WILL BE JUST A POST WITH AN ARROW.
SO IT WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LANGUAGE PER SE, HON.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PARK FORWARD WEIGHED IN ON THIS OR NOT.
UM, BUT IT'S GOT CLASS E UH, OR CLASS ONE E-BIKES VERSUS, UM, TWO AND THREE.
AND WHO'S GONNA POLICE AND REGULATE, UM, WHETHER YOU'VE GOT A CLASS ONE? UM, SO THIS, THIS KIND OF GOES DIFFERENT, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, I'M NOT A BIG BIKER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW ANY MOTORIZED VEHICLES, UH, ON OUR TRAIL SYSTEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, THE RULES SAY THEY'RE NOT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO ENFORCE RIGHT.
SO, UM, WHY ARE WE STARTING DOWN, UM, WITH ALLOWING MOTORIZED VEHICLES, UH, ON THESE TRAILS VERSUS, UH, NOT THAT COMES AT THEIR REQUESTS, I BELIEVE COMES AT THEIR REQUEST.
AND, AND THE CATEGORY ONE ARE ASSISTED THE STEEPNESS OF THE, OF THE TERRAIN PEOPLE.
SOME PEOPLE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO RIDE A YEAH.
THE, UM, THE CLASS ONE ARE ASSISTED YOU PEDAL AND IT HELPS YOU.
THE CLASS TWO AND THREE ARE ACTUALLY THROTTLES MORE LIKE MOTORCYCLES AND WHATNOT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD ALLOW 'EM TO HAVE SOME HELP GETTING UP THE HILL IN THE, IN THE MOUNTAIN BIKE COMMUNITY.
THE CLASS ONES ARE TYPICALLY ALLOWED AND HELPS OPEN UP, UM, THAT RESOURCE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE COULDN'T DO IT.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO GET UP THE HILLS UNLESS YOU'RE VERY, VERY FIT.
AND SO MOST MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS DO ALLOW THE CLASS ONES, THE CLASS TWOS AND THREES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
AND THAT TENDS TO BE MORE OF, THERE'S ALMOST LIKE THE TRADITIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKE FOLKS DON'T LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY WITH A THROTTLE BEING ABLE TO JUST TO ZIP PAST 'EM AND GO UP.
IT'S REALLY NOT A FUNCTIONAL THING.
FUNCTIONALLY THEY, IT'S KIND OF ALL THE SAME, BUT THEY LIKE PEOPLE HAVING TO WORK A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, AND NOT HAVING AN EASY WRITE UP LIKE A CHAIRLIFT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S AN INTEREST INTERESTING NUANCE TO THAT SPORT.
UH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE IN THE SPORT ABOUT, UH, THE OTHER CLASSES, BUT THE CLASS ONES ARE PRETTY WELL ACCEPTED AS DO THE SCHOOLS TEAM, LIKE WITH THE KIDS THAT ARE ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE TEAM, ARE THEY ALLOWED A CLASS ONE? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO IF IT'S SMART BOARDS SAY ABOUT, UM, E-BIKES, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND UM, JAY GAVE A SIMILAR EXPLANATION.
UM, AND THEY TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE E-BIKES ON OUR OTHER PATHS, EVEN THOUGH THE RULES STATE THAT THEY'RE NOT AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM OF ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND THERE WASN'T ANY MORE.
UM, Y'ALL CAN HELP ME, UM, DAVE AND JAMIE LEE, IF THERE'S NJ IF THERE'S ANYTHING I'M MISSING, IS THERE ANYTHING I'M MISSING ABOUT THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT? UH, NO MA'AM.
AND I, AND I DON'T THINK, THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY OPPOSITION TO, TO THE CLASS ONE E BIKES.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WENT OUT AND RODE THE TRAIL WITH THE FOLKS, UM, OUR LOCAL MOUNTAIN BIKE GROUP.
AND, UH, I, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T VENTURE OUT THERE WITHOUT A CLASS ONE BIKE.
THOSE FOLKS, THEY CAN HANDLE IT ALL DAY LONG.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO JUST WOULDN'T DO IT.
AND MAYOR, YOUR CONCERN IS THAT IF THIS WOULD JUST OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT ON ALL OF OUR PARKS, IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE PARK.
AND THEN SO YOU'RE SAYING A CLASS ONE BIKE VERSUS A TWO AND THREE MM-HMM.
AND SO HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE AND, AND WHO IS GOING TO, UM, SAY HEY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, JOE'S RIDING AROUND ON WHATEVER CLASS OF, UH, E-BIKE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE SAY NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON ANY OF OUR TRAILS.
AND EXCEPT FOR SEGUES, THEY'RE PROTECTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
BUT, UM, THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED, WE WERE TALKED ABOUT POLICING AND JAY'S RESPONSE WAS THAT THEY SELF-POLICE TYP TYPICALLY ON, ON ALL TRAIL SYSTEMS. MOST ALL OF THEM LACK THE RESOURCES, THE, THE, THE PRESENCE ON THE TRAILS TO POLICE THAT.
SO THE, THE, THE SPORT POLICE ITSELF, OTHER RIDERS WILL SAY
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SOMETHING TO THOSE, HEY, YOUR BIKE'S NOT ALLOWED ON THIS TRAIL.HOPE YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL KIND OF GET NEEDLED AND ENCOURAGED TO NOT TAKE THE OTHER BIKES ON THE TRAIL BY THE PEOPLE WHO AROUND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO POLICE IT OTHERWISE.
AND, AND HONESTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PAVE TRAILS, WE HAVE A LOT OF E-BIKES ON OUR PA PAVE TRAILS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO POLICE IT.
ARE THESE GONNA BE, THESE RULES GONNA BE POSTED? YES, EXACTLY.
AND THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LIST, RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHER RULES THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED THAT WILL BE GENERAL THIS.
SO MY CONCERN ABOUT DIFFERENTIATING ON A POSTED SIGN, CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS 3, 750 WATTS, IT'S SIX MONTHS BEFORE SOMETHING CHANGES AGAIN IN TECHNOLOGY AND, AND ALL, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE.
AND IF, IF YOU SAY NO E-BIKES, BUT THEN SOMEBODY'S THERE WITH THE ASSISTED ONE THAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A NORMAL BIKE, THEN, THEN YOU KIND OF HAVE YOUR SELF PLACING ALREADY GOING ON.
SO THE, SO THE CLASS ONE, YOU CAN SEE THEM PEDALING AND THE CLASS TWOS, THEIR FEET ARE GONNA BE STATIONARY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HITTING A THROTTLE.
THE CLASS ONES DON'T HAVE A THROTTLE.
AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT, THEY'LL KNOW IMMEDIATELY THEY'RE PHENOMENAL BIKE.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF YOU SAY NO, E-BIKES FOR A A LAY PERSON, E-BIKE MEANS THROTTLE ELECTRIC KIND OF THING.
IF WITH MOTOR, YEAH, ANYTHING WITH A MOTOR.
I DON'T AS, I DON'T KIND OF ASSOCIATE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HELPS THEM PEDAL.
LIKE THE CLASS ONE BEING A TRUE E-BIKE.
WHEN I SEE E-BIKE, IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ACTUAL THROTTLE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, I JUST THINK WE'RE, WHEN WE GET INTO THESE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED, WE'RE WE, WE'RE CREATING MORE TROUBLE, WHAT DO YOU, WELL, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP NEXT TO CLASS ONE IF IN PARENTHESES YOU PUT PEDAL ASSISTED? SO, OR JUST SAY ONLY PEDAL ASSISTED, YOU KNOW, NO E NO E-BIKES ONLY PEDAL ASSISTED OR SOMETHING.
WELL, BUT IT, IT IS AN E-BIKE.
AND, AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE IN THE SPORT KNOW THEY, THEY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
OKAY THEN SAY ONLY PEDAL ASSISTED E-BIKES ALLOWED.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU START SEPARATING CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO AND ALL THIS AND THE WATTAGE AND ALL THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT JUST A FAMILY GOING OUT THERE ON THE WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW PEDAL ASSISTED BIKES ONLY BECAUSE THAT COVERS YOUR OWN MANPOWER TRYING TO PEDAL THAT CITY BIKES ONLY.
YEAH, I THINK YOU GOTTA SIMPLIFY IT, DAVE.
THAT SOUNDS YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S CERTAINLY THE, IN THE INTENT OF COURSE THE, THE PEAK WATTAGE OF SEVEN 50.
I'M, I MEAN, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO DIFFER NO, PRETEND TO SAY THAT I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ON EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO FOR YOU, BUT SEVEN 50 IS A SPEC THAT THEY LIKED.
I JUST THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE TO PUT THESE, I MEAN, TECHNOLOGY CHANGES SO FAST AND WE'RE GONNA, BEFORE LONG WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CLASS FOUR AND A CLASS FIVE AND, AND ALL THAT.
I THINK IF YOU SAY ONLY WHAT IS ALLOWED, YOU GOTTA BE PEDALING IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
YOU GOTTA BE PEDALLING IT, IT'S A LITTLE ASSISTED THAT CAN SELF-REGULATE THE TRAIL.
BUT I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE EVERY SINGLE BIT.
JUST ALLOW, PUT WHAT'S ALLOWED.
AND IT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT MAY, SOMEONE MIGHT READ E-BIKES ALOUD AND NOT READ PAST THAT IF THEY'RE JUST MOVING QUICKLY.
UM, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST FOR A SMIDGEN, BUT WHAT, WHAT WILL WE DO? WHAT WILL BE THE PLAN IF WE DO NEED TO ENFORCE SOME SITUATIONS? SO I KNOW THAT THIS MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL HAS BEEN VERY LONG, UH, AWAITED AND THERE ARE, UH, IT'LL SERVICE AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AND READY ACCESS.
AND THERE'LL BE LOTS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO COME PARTICIPATE.
SO IF WE DO FIND OURSELVES IN A SPOT WHERE WE DO NEED TO MANAGE IT, HOW, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT? I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T ANY, THERE'S NO PLAN.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PATROL THE TRAILS.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WORKS AT, OR TWO TWO AT SMITH'S AT SMITH PARK, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE OUT IN THE TRAILS.
AND ALL WE CAN DO IS TELL SOMEONE, JUST LIKE ANOTHER RIDER WOULD, HEY, THOSE AREN'T ALLOWED.
SO YOU SAYING WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY REMOVE SOMEONE FROM THE TRAILS? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHEN YOU, UM, HOW DID THEY GET TO THE UPPER REGIONS? THEY RIDE? OKAY, WELL THEN SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED ON THE TRAIL TO GET TO THE MOUNTAIN BIKE REGION.
YOU GET STRAIGHT ONTO THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE.
THERE'S NO INTERSECTION THERE.
THAT'S WELL, BUT YOU COULD RIDE THE OTHER TRAIL SYSTEMS TO GET TO SMITH PARK TO THEN RIDE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS.
I WALK THE PARK TRAILS FOUR TO SIX DAYS A WEEK AND HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND YOU'LL SOMETIMES GET WHERE KIDS, AND IT SEEMS TO BE AROUND CHRISTMAS OR MAYBE THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF BIRTHDAYS AND THEY'LL HAVE THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND YOU'LL SUDDENLY SEE FIVE OR SIX OF 'EM ON THE TRAIL.
AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU DON'T SEE 'EM TWO OR THREE WEEKS LATER.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE WITH THOSE.
BUT IT, YOU, YOU JUST DO, I'VE SEEN A MINI BIKE GO DOWN THE TRAIL, WHATEVER.
A LOT OF TIMES GOLF CARTS, GOLF CARTS, THE WALKERS, IF
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IT BECOMES AN ISSUE OR THE RUNNERS, THEY'LL ARE THE BIKERS.WE HAVE LOTS OF BIKERS ON THIS ROAD.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY SAY SOMETHING TO THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT ARE THE BEST POLICING MECHANISM FOR IT.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
'CAUSE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE COMMUNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR SPORT AND UH, I THINK THEY'LL DO A GOOD JOB OF IT.
WELL IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING ON A WALKING TRAIL AND SOMEONE ON A BICYCLE COMES BY.
AND YOU JUST HAVE TO, WE HAVE SOME BIKERS THAT COME THROUGH AND I'VE DONE THIS AND I'VE SEEN SEVERAL OTHER WALKERS OR HIKERS OR RUNNERS GO, YEAH, SLOW IT DOWN.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO, UM, UH, MONITOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
COULD I, COULD I ASK CAREFUL SAFE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN EVER MAKE IT THAT WAY AS, AS JUST A, A PLAN AS WE LOOK FORWARD NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD HOLD.
AND I'M SURE WE DO THIS IN A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
COULD WE JUST COME UP WITH A PLAN PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS IF WE DO NEED TO ENFORCE THESE RULES, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT WE, WHAT MIGHT WE DO SO THAT IF IT DOES HAPPEN, WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN THAT WE CAN START TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT AND NOT HAVE TO AT THAT POINT REACT AND CREATE THE PLAN ON THE FLY.
WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION JUST TO, IF Y'ALL COULD CREATE THAT AND JUST LET US KNOW, KNOW, I DON'T, I TRULY DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY ABSENT OF US HAVING TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS.
THERE'S NOT A WAY THAT PARK POLICE, I MEAN, I DON'T WHAT ELSE? THERE'S NOT A, A WAY TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS IF THERE BECOMES AN ISSUE.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE RULES AND THE TRAIL SYSTEMS WE'VE HAD FOR 25 YEARS.
WE HAVE A SPEED LIMIT FOR BIKES ON OUR, ON OUR, WE HAVE A RULE ABOUT SPEED LIMIT FOR BIKES.
YOU TELL ME HOW WE CAN ENFORCE THAT WITHOUT A, I'D BE HAPPY TO BRAINSTORM WITH Y'ALL, UM, OFFLINE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.
NEXT ITEM IS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT WENDY HILL PARK.
WHAT'S THE VERAGE
YEAH, SO DAVE AND HIS FOLKS SENT OUT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, CAME BACK WITH, UH, MULTIPLE PROPOSALS.
REALLY ONLY TWO, I THINK THAT REALISTICALLY RESPONDED TO THE PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND THE SHAPE OF THE PLAYGROUND.
UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING GOING WITH CUSTOM RECREATION, UM, INCLUSIVE OF A AVIATION TYPE ELEMENT THAT THEY'VE OFFERED.
AND WE ASKED PEOPLE, FOLKS TO TRY TO INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MOST OF 'EM JUST HAD A SMALL LITTLE PIECE FOR NOTHING AT ALL.
UM, SO THIS IS A, A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADD-ON, I THINK IT'S THE $35,000.
BREAK IT SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER THE BUDGET.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO TRY TO ABSORB THAT OR IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO DO THAT.
UH, AND, AND KIND OF HONOR OF THE HISTORY OF THE PARK AREA THERE.
YEAH, I LIKE THE BLUE BEEN RED BETTER THAN THE TANNIN.
THE BEIGE AND GREEN PARK BOARD.
THE PARK BOARD VOTED THAT GREEN POLES AND TAN TOP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? HUH? GET IT THAT INTO THE PASSIVENESS OF THE PARK MORE THAN THE BLUE PLAIN LOOKS BETTER IN BLUE AND
YEAH, IT'S, I I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN HAD, I DON'T THINK WE PUT THE OTHER COLOR OPTIONS IN HERE.
UM, JUST FOR MAINTENANCE AND KEEPING IT CLEAN AND WHATNOT.
IT CAN GET DIRTY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND YOU DON'T SEE IT ON SOME OF THIS WHITE STUFF.
THERE'S A RED, WHITE, AND BLUE, UM, COLOR SCHEME AND THEN THERE'S A TAN AND GREEN AND THEN A GREEN AND TAN, WHATEVER YOU, I MEAN YOU CAN GO ANY OTHER COLOR TOO.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE COOLNESS OF THE COLORS? THAT WOULD BE MY GENERALLY THE DARKER THE COLOR, THE COOL MORE COOLER GETS SO THE COOLER, YEAH.
DARKER COLORS ARE, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THE OPPOSITE.
THE DARKER WOULD ATTRACT THE SUN.
COURT BOARDS ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE AIRPLANE.
FIVE IS APPROVAL OF SOME COMPUTER, UH, MOBILE DATA REPLACEMENTS FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
BOTH, UH, PART OF THE, UM, SCHEDULE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
AND THAT'S BEING DONE THROUGH A COOPERATIVE WILSON COUNTY EDUCATION STATEWIDE
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CONTRACT.SO A PIGGYBACK PURCHASE THERE.
NEW BUSINESS IS THE REZONING PROPOSAL REQUEST OUT ON WALL ROAD.
I THINK WE SORT, EVERYBODY WAS HERE, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BACK IN DECEMBER FROM SI UH, TO R TWO SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES.
AND UH, OUR TWO PLAN OF SHOWING, WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT BINDING, UH, IS UH, THREE LIGHTS OUT IN SPACE.
SO IT'S THIS, SO CONCORD WALLER, IT'S THIS TRACK THERE WAS OWNED BY THE CHURCH WAS ALL PART OF THEIR ORIGINAL, THEIR ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, BUT THEY NEVER EXPANDED.
YEAH, THEY HAD PARKING APPROVED AS PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN, BUT THEY, THEY NEVER EXPANDED TO USE TO NEED THAT PARKING.
AND SO THEY SOLD THIS OFF RECENTLY, I BELIEVE.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE R TWO PLAN THERE.
UH, METRO SEWER, NOLANSVILLE WATER, I THINK.
KIND OF FAR OPPOSITE, FAR EDGE OF TOWN.
FLOOD SAID THAT FLOODWAY RIGHT BEHIND IT.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY OWN SOME OF THE LAND IN METRO RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO A LOTS WILL ACTUALLY EXTEND FOR FARTHER INTO METRO.
BUT THE PART WE LOOK AT IS THE BRENTWOOD PORTION.
SO THERE IS FLOOD PLAIN AND FLOODWAY RIGHT BEHIND IT.
UH, I NOTICED IT'S GOT THREE DRIVEWAYS GOING OUT THERE.
WHAT, HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE NOW? UH, I MEAN RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDEVELOPED.
SO IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED TRACK RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, SO IT'S JUST WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO EXPAND.
YEAH, ALL THEIR DEAD ENDS INTO METRO.
THE, SO AT THE NORTH END THERE'S A FEW LOTS ON THE CUL-DE-SAC SAC UP THERE.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE.
I WAS GONNA ASK, IS IT KIND OF REMOTE? NOTHING'S GONNA BE REMOTE FOR LONG THOUGH.
I MEAN WELL THIS WILL BE, 'CAUSE THIS IS, IT DOES DEAD END.
EVEN WHEN THAT CHURCH WOULD LET OUT THERE AT WALLER AND CONCORD, IT STILL WAS NEVER A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON SUNDAYS.
THAT'S THE SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD SOON.
UH, SECOND ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF THE NONPROFIT POLICY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? THIRD ITEM IS, UH, RESOLUTION TO RATIFY WILLIAMSON COUNTY GROWTH PLAN HAS RECOMMENDED BY THE GROWTH PLAN COORDINATING COMMITTEE AND THE ASSOCIATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR IMPLEMENTATION GOING FORWARD.
UM, GONNA GET SHORT ON TIME HERE.
SO BOB, THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN IS RECOMMENDED.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDED PLAN FROM COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK I HAVE THE EXISTING, I COMPARE.
YEAH, IT'S KIND TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH, BUT AS YOU KNOW, FOR OURS WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
WE HAD A COUPLE MINOR, JUST CLEAN UP OUR HOUSEKEEPING TWEAKS.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT COMES, COMES FROM THE, UM, THIS IS OURS OF COURSE, UM, COMES FROM THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE.
SO EACH CITY, UH, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE EACH CITY'S, IF YOU WANNA GET INTO IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO.
BUT, UM, EACH CITY HAS TO CONSIDER IT.
WE ALREADY KNOW SPRING HILL HAS REJECTED IT.
SO IT WILL ALL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE.
I THINK THOMPSON STATION IS LIKELY TO DO SO ALSO FROM WHAT WE HEAR, BUT WE STILL NEED TO ACT.
THEY STILL WANT ALL CITIES ON RECORD SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE COMMITTEE WILL NEED TO WORK OUT LATER.
SO IF IF THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO CITIES THAT REJECT IT, THEN I THINK THEN THAT TELLS KIND OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE, THE NEXT MEETINGS WILL BE.
UM, AND THEN WITH IT IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
AND KRISTEN, DO YOU WANNA JUST KIND OF QUICKLY KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT? I APOLOGIZE.
I JUST NOTICED THERE NUMBERING ERRORS IN MY, WHEN I WAS TRYING TO BULLET POINT, 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME REARRANGING, BUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UM, IS NECESSARY AND THERE'S, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ONE BEFORE AMONG THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY, UM, TO
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KIND OF DOCUMENT THE, ENSURE THE AGREEMENT OF WHAT THE CITIES AND COUNTY DO.SO, UM, THIS SETS FORTH WHAT HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS WITH THE COUNTY GROWTH OR WITH THE COORDINATE COORDINATING COMMITTEE.
UM, THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE PARTIES WILL AGREE TO NOT ANNEX OUTSIDE THEIR UGB.
UM, AND OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT ANNEXATION HAPPENS ONLY BY OWNER REQUESTS, BUT AGAIN, THERE HAVE OR REFERENDUM.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SITUATIONS EVEN WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS WHERE CITIES HAVE BEEN ANNEXING OUTSIDE THEIR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
SO THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS THAT THE, THIS WILL BE REVISITED IN FIVE YEARS, UM, THE ENTIRE GROWTH PLAN BECAUSE BEFORE IT HAD BEEN 20 YEARS SINCE OUR LAST ONE.
UM, AND MAYOR GORMAN, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO, THERE WILL BE SET UP AN ADVISOR COMMITTEE TO MEET QUARTERLY, AT A MINIMUM, AT A MINIMUM TO JUST GO OVER THINGS AND HOW, HOW THINGS ARE WORKING OUT.
SO EACH LOCALITY WILL PROVIDE A MEMBER TO SIT ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, IF THERE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN THE ADVISOR AND, AND BY THAT IT COULD MEAN SOME HUGE COMPANY THAT'S COMING IN.
THAT'S THE EXAMPLE THAT KEPT ON BEING USED.
SOME HUGE COMPANY COMES IN THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL CITIES AND THE COUNTY TO REVISIT THE AGREEMENT OR SOME PORTION OF IT.
THEN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL GET TOGETHER AND CONSIDER THAT.
UM, ULTIMATELY EACH CITY AND COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON ANY KIND OF CHANGE TO THE INTERLOCAL.
UM, AND THE ONE THING IS THERE'S TALK IN THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT POTENTIAL OF DOING AWAY WITH THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY LAW.
AND DUE TO ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN, IN
SO, UH, JUST KEEPING EVERYTHING IN PLACE AS IT IS, AS IT'S BEING AGREED TO.
UM, AND OF COURSE ANYONE AT ANY, I SAY ANYONE, ANY CITY OR THE COUNTY AT ANY POINT COULD ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY EVERYONE.
UM, AND, AND ONE OTHER THING, THIS WAS BIG AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN, IN THOMPSON STATION.
ANYTIME THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE IS GOING TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, ALL CITIES AND THE COUNTY HAVE AGREED THAT IF THERE ARE PROPERTIES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTIONS, THEY WILL GIVE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
'CAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SOME, UM, I WON'T EVEN SAY ALLEGATIONS THIS, THE TOWN OF THOMPSON STATION HAD SAID THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDLESS.
SOME PROPERTY OWNERS DIDN'T GET NOTICE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS JUST TO SUBMIT THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE DONE.
I THINK MOST CITIES DID AGAIN, DID THAT.
BUT UM, AND THAT'S NOTICED FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T IN IT NOW WHO ARE CORRECT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ADDED TO IT.
GOING BACK TO THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS THE THORN.
SO IF SOME BIG COMPANY CAME, CAN WE PUT UP THAT MAP AGAIN SHOWING ALL THE CITIES WITH THE BOUNDARIES? THE, THE OVERALL, YEAH.
SUPPOSE SOME SOMEBODY THE, THE BE I CAN'T SEE IT GOOD FROM HERE.
THAT'S THE NEXT, NEXT TO THOMPSON STATION.
THAT LIGHT BROWN IS THEIR FUTURE GROWTH BOUNDARY, FOR INSTANCE.
SUPPOSE A COMPANY IS NOT THE PROPOSED ONE.
IT COULD BE THAT'S EXISTING, I'M SORRY, THERE, BUT DIDN'T WANNA BE GOVERNED BY THOMPSON STATION.
DID DID THAT EXCEPTION MEAN WITH THE AGREEMENT OF THE WHOLE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY COMMITTEE OR THE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS THAT THEY COULD THEN PUT THAT SAY IN THE FRANKLIN GROWTH BOUNDARY? NOT NECESSARILY.
WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THOMPSON STATION COULD REQUEST A MEETING OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD GET TOGETHER, MAKE A RE RECOMMENDATION EITHER FOR AMENDING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR OPPOSED TO AMENDING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, THEN THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD THWART LOCAL WILL AS IT'S DONE NOW THAT I THINK THE EXCEPTION PART OF IT WAS MORE INTENDED THAT IF SOMEBODY, IF A COMPANY, IF THAT EXAMPLE CAME AND WANTED TO LOCATE SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE OF SOMEBODY'S UGB BUT WANTED TO BE IN THE CITY, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO AMEND THE PLAN TO, TO BE ALLOWED TO DO SO.
THE ANNEX, SINCE THE AGREEMENT IS TO NOT ANNEX OUTSIDE OF ANYONE'S URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, UM, COMMITTEE, UH, CAME FORWARD WITH AND SAID, HEY, UM, DON'T INCLUDE PEOPLE IN YOUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE INCLUDED.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY POINT IN AN URBAN GROWTH
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BOUNDARY IF WE IF YOU COULD GO OUTSIDE OF IT IN THAT.BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS A, I MEAN WITH A LONG WE ENDED UP ADDING IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, I WOULDN'T WANT SOME SMALLER AREA TO BE CHEATED OUT OF SOMETHING BECAUSE A BIGGER ENTITY WANTED TO, TO JUMP IN AND TAKE CONTROL OF IT.
SO, BUT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THAT'S NOT YES.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL GONNA GO BACK.
SO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS, WHAT HAPPENS NOW? BECAUSE THEY, 'CAUSE YEAH, AT LEAST ONE CITY'S GOING TO REJECT IT.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE IT GOES, BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE CITY REJECTED, AND WE, AS KIRK SAID, THOMPSON STATION OFFICIALLY HAS REJECTED, AND THOMPSON STATION IS LET, WE ASSUME THAT THEY LIKELY WILL.
UM, IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, AND IF THERE, THE ATTORNEYS ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING OUR NEXT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT STILL SATISFIES EVERYTHING.
SO AGAIN, IF ANY CHANGES WERE TO BE MADE FOR THAT REGARDLESS, YOU GUYS WANT TO CONSIDER IT AGAIN.
SO, BUT WE DO, AS BOB SAID, WE DO NEED TO GET OUR POSITION
SO YES, WITHIN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, IT EVENTUALLY GOES TO A ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING JUDGE OR SOMETHING IN ASHVILLE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE, WHO WILL THEN DETERMINE THE PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, THIS, WHAT WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING YOUR APPROVAL OF IS THE PLAN AS PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE THAT THE MAYOR WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE OF.
AND THEN, UH, YOU GOT THREE MEMBERS TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, FOUR MEMBERS TO THE TREE BOARD, AND THAT'S IT.