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WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing December 7, 2023 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda Following discussion of the December 11th Agenda, the below items will be discussed: Architectural Services for Library Renovations Review of Flood Ordinance draft revisions Commission input on potential summer 2024 closure of Murray Lane/Holly Tree Gap intersection for roundabout construction Scheduling of January work session to discuss racquet facility Rezoning of Hanna Property This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting.]
UM, WE'LL GIVE YOU DEADLINES FOR APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ONCE WE GET THE YEAH.I WANNA APOLOGIZE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.
FAIRLY LIGHT AGENDA, BUT OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, UM, UH, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. FIRST CONSENT ITEM IS RELATED TO LANDSCAPING MAINTENANCE AT POLICE HQ.
YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE IS NOT UNDER OUR MANAGEMENT CONTRACT WITH CUSHMAN WAKEFIELD, ALTHOUGH WE TRY TO PIGGYBACK AS MUCH WITH THEM AS WE CAN.
AND JAY, YOU WANNA JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY GO OVER, WE'RE DROPPING ONE AND PICKING UP ANOTHER.
SO WE HAD CUSHMAN PUT OUT, UH, PDHQ IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER THREE FACILITIES, LOOKING AT THEM ALTOGETHER BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO HAVE ONE VENDOR SERVICING ALL THE FACILITIES.
THE LOWEST BID CAME IN FROM BRIGHTVIEW LANDSCAPES, LLC, WHO WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
AND THEY DID WORK FOR US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT WE SEVERED OUR RELATIONSHIP BACK IN 2021 FOR PERFORMANCE REASONS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE PICKED UP SWIFT LAWN.
UH, THEY HAVE HAD SOME TURNOVER IN THEIR SUPERVISORY STAFF AND GAVE US A, AN ARDENT APPEAL TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE.
AND LOOKING AT THE PRICING BENEFIT WE WOULD GET, WE THINK THAT'S WORTH DOING BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS, WITH 30 DAYS NOTICE, TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND GO WITH LSI, WHO WOULD'VE BEEN THE SECOND LOAD BIDDER.
INTERESTINGLY, WE'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH LSI BEFORE AND FOR THE SAME REASON WE HAD MOVED AWAY FROM THEM.
UM, NO, UH, UH, NO DISPARAGEMENT TO SWIFTON.
THEY DID A GOOD JOB FOR US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, BUT WE DO THINK IT'S WORTH GIVING.
AND THAT IS $38,415 FOR PDHQ PORTION OF THE CONTRACT.
TWO IS THE AGREEMENT WITH HOMESTEAD TIMBER FRAMES FOR, UM, PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, OR OF THE PAVILION AT PLACE IN BRENT VALE.
I DON'T IF THAT'S, WONDER IF YOU WANT YES, SIR.
COMMISSIONERS RECALL THAT WE HAVE THIS, UH, UNIQUE THREE-SIDED DESIGN, UH, PAVILION THAT WOULD GO WITH THE LOCATION.
AND, UH, THIS CONTRACT WITH HISTORIC TIMBER FRAMES WOULD PROVIDE FOR DESIGN OF EVERYTHING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING, UH, THE ROOF TRUSSES, UM, AND, AND CONSTRUCTION OF EVERYTHING, BUT NOT INCLUDING THE WALLS.
UH, BECAUSE THAT FRAMING THE WINDOWS, THE SIDING AND WHATNOT WOULD ALL BE DONE BY OTHERS FOUNDATION WOULD BE BY OTHERS.
AND THE ROOF, UH, INSTALLATION OF THE DECKING BECAUSE HISTORIC TIMBER FRAMES WILL PROVIDE THE DECKING BUT NOT INSTALL IT.
UH, AND THEN THE ROOF MATERIAL ITSELF WOULD BE BY ROOFING CONTRACTORS.
THIS IS KIND OF PUTTING THE PROJECT TOGETHER, ALMOST LIKE WE'RE ACTING AS OUR OWN GC, BUT THIS IS ABOUT THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIGURE TO DO IT, TO GET IT WITHIN THE TIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE, WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US PLANS BY MID-JANUARY WITH THOSE PLANS.
WE COULD THEN GO OUT AND, UH, AND FIND A CONTRACTOR TO DO SOME LIGHT, UH, SITE GRADING INSTALLATION OF THE FOUNDATION.
THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND PUT UP, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, GET A ROOFING CONTRACTOR ON BOARD TO DO THE ROOFING.
YOU THINK WE CAN HAVE THIS PROJECT DONE BY MID NEXT YEAR SO YOU DON'T HAVE YET BIDS FOR THOSE OTHER PIECES? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN YET.
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT TO COME.
SO MID-JANUARY, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN HIT THE GO BUTTON AND START GETTING THE OTHER CONTRACTORS LINED UP.
AND DO YOU THINK, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, AN IDEA THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO STAY IN BUDGET WITH ALL THE PIECES? THAT'S THE IDEA.
UH, JOE HAD KIND OF FERRETED THAT OUT FOR US, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
AND SO IS THAT, UM, YOU, THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAS HELPED WITH THIS AS WELL? IS THAT HOW YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT, UM, HOMESTEAD TIMBER? YES.
THIS, JOE GROSSEN KIND OF, KIND OF PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE STRATEGY GOES.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE TO, AGAIN, TO DO THE PROJECT WITHIN THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
IF WE WERE TO TRY AND GET ONE GC TO DO ALL OF IT, WE KNOW WE'D BE PAYING A GOOD BIT MORE.
WHAT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION? SO ARE YOU TURNING INTO THE GC ON STAFF FOR THIS? UM, BETWEEN MYSELF AND CHARLES AND, AND BRENT? UH, YEAH.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE CONTRACTORS TOGETHER.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE JOE OR SOMEBODY HAS ALL THE DIMENSIONS OF THE MATERIALS WE'RE PLANNING TO REUSE.
SO HOME SEPTEMBER'S TAKING ALL THE EXISTING MATERIALS WE'RE TRYING TO BRING BACK INTO ACCOUNT AS WE DESIGN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THE WEIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO.
AND OF COURSE, THE, THE FOUNDATION AND THE FOOTINGS AND ALL THAT, I'VE GOTTA DECIDE TO HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF THE WALLS.
UM, AND THEN A SEPARATE CONTRACTOR WILL ACTUALLY SPLIT THOSE BOARDS OKAY.
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THE WALLS AND THE FRAMING AND THE WINDOWS.AND YOU CAN ALWAYS SPLIT 'EM OR CUT 'EM, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE 'EM ANY LONGER.
SO, UH, SO, BUT, BUT THEY'RE TAKING ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
OR IF THEY HAVE TO DO SOME TIME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE SOME, SOME TIMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, GRANTED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE WINDOWS, YOU HAVE SHORTER SECTIONS OF TIMBERS THERE AND THEN LONGER SECTIONS AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, WORKING WITH THIS EXISTING VINTAGE TIMBER, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES, BUT WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THERE THAT WE CAN DO THIS.
AND WE'LL ACCOUNT FOR WIND MITIGATION AS WELL.
UM, WITH A THREE-SIDED STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE IT TURN INTO A KITE.
THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, IS THAT DESIGN NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS STRUCTURE.
WHICH WAY, UM, WILL IT BE OPEN? IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE BACK.
SO FROM THE INTER WHAT'S THE BACK? THIS IS, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE INTERSECTION.
I THINK THE BACK IS WEST OR NORTH? NORTH.
SO IT'S GONNA CATCH THE WIND FROM THAT DIRECTION.
SO IT'S KIND OF ON A 45 TO THE INTERSECTION.
UH, NEXT IS A CHANGE ORDER WITH CUNNINGHAM CONSTRUCTION, WHO'S DOING SOME WATER TANK IMPROVEMENT WORKFORCE.
AND THIS IS RELATED TO, UH, ELECTRICAL CONNECTION OUT AT WISH.
CHRIS IS WITH ME HERE SOMEWHERE BEHIND ME.
UH, OUT AT THE SPLIT LOG TANK.
AND MIDDLE TENNESSEE IS REQUIRING US TO GO FARTHER THAN WE HAD PLANNED.
SO A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE LAID OUT THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THIS, WE MET WITH MIDDLE TENNESSEE.
THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF RAGSDALE SPLIT LOG.
UH, CITY ALREADY HAS A METER DROP THERE.
WE, UH, EARLY ON TALKED WITH HAR, I MEAN, UH, MIDDLE TENNESSEE.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE POWER REQUIREMENTS PERMITTED US JUST TO UTILIZE THAT SAME METER DROP.
UH, AFTER THE PLANES GOT CONSTRUCTED, THE ENGINEERS BEEFED UP THE ELECTRICAL.
FAST FORWARD TWO YEARS, WHEN WE WENT TO SIGN UP FOR SERVICE AND MET WITH MIDDLE TENNESSEE IN THE FIELD ABOUT THE NEW DROP, THEY WERE GONNA REQUIRE A NEW TRANSFORMER TO BE SET AND A BEEFED UP METER DROP.
AND THE EXISTING POLE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THEY SAID WASN'T SUFFICIENT.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE DOWN 200 FEET TO THE NEXT POLE.
WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THIS CONTRACT.
SO THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO LAY NEW CONDUIT, ELECTRICAL 200 FEET OR TWO 50 DOWN TO THE NEXT POLE.
SO THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE OR REQUEST.
UH, FINAL ITEM CONSENT IS JUST CANCEL FORMALLY CANCELING YOUR DECEMBER 18TH MEETING.
NEW BUSINESS TWO ITEMS RELATED TO SECOND PHASE OF TURF FIELDS AT CROCKETT PARK.
THE FIRST IS, UH, MEMORANDUM WITH THE BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB, ESSENTIALLY FOR THEIR, UH, COMMITMENT TO FUNDING HALF OF THE TURF COST, UH, FOR THE TWO EXTRA FIELDS.
UH, WE DID ONE OF THIS, UH, FIRST GO AROUND.
SO I THINK THE TERMS OF THIS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
UH, AND THEY ALSO COMMIT TO, UM, ANNUAL REPLACEMENT COST FUND A PORTION OF THE ANNUAL REPLACEMENT COST FUNDING TOO.
SO DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS? ANNUAL REPLACEMENT SHARE? OE UM, WHAT IS IT FOR THE FIRST TWO? DO YOU REMEMBER? SO IT'S THE VALUE OF THIS CONTRACT ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
DIVIDED BY DIVIDED BY BY 10, 10 YEARS IS THEIR RIGHT THEN DIVIDED BY TWO? 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING HALF.
SO I'LL BE ON THE MATH ON THAT.
IN THIS CASE, IF IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'D BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR.
AM I DOING THAT RIGHT? AND THEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
BUT THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT TURF COSTS IS NOT THE SAME AS THE FULL INITIAL INSTALLATION.
'CAUSE THERE'S PREP WORK AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S SOME, SO IT'D BE, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 50,000 A YEAR IS PROBABLY LESS THAN 50 LESS.
BECAUSE IF IT'S A MILLION TO DO IT ON THE FRONT END, IT MAY BE, AND THEN DIVIDE 800 TO DO IT JUST REPLACING THE TURF.
YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE SUBSURFACE WORK AND ALL THAT, RIGHT, DAVE? CORRECT.
UM, BUT THERE, SHARE ON THIS NEXT ONE IS 511, 4 79, WHICH IS HALF OF THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL, UH, SO WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL ON THE PARTNERSHIP TO HAVE HALF THE MONEY COMING IN FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE CONTRACT WITH GL SURFACES, WHICH IS THE SAME FIRM THAT DID THE FIRST TWO FIELDS.
ARE WE PUTTING IN A CONTINGENCY IN CASE WE FUND ANY MORE SINKHOLES AND THINGS? WELL, UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE SUBSURFACE
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INVESTIGATION WHOLE FOR THE FIELD.NO, IT'S A KIND OF ELECTRONIC WAVE THING THAT, OKAY.
SO IS THERE A HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEE? I I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WE WON'T, BUT WE'RE MORE CONFIDENT THAN RIGHT.
AND, AND THE OVERALL PROJECT, BUT, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY IN THIS OF 25,000 I THINK, IN WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, THE OVERALL PROJECT BUDGET.
SO HOPEFULLY IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, OKAY.
WHAT, A HUNDRED THOUSAND? 150.
WHAT WAS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE HAD? DO YOU REMEMBER? IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED, WASN'T IT? THE WHOLE SINKHOLE ROD? YES.
SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD, WE'VE HAD A GEOTECH FIRM DO A, I DON'T KNOW, SONIC WAVE TOUCH GROUND PENETRATING THING AND IT SHOWS OKAY.
BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA
THERE ARE THE FURTHER YOU GET AWAY FROM THOSE LINES THAT THEY PUT OUT, YEAH.
THE MORE POSSIBILITY THERE IS AVOIDS THAT THEY DON'T CATCH.
BUT IT, IT'S ABOUT THE BEST INVESTIGATION WE COULD DO DIGGING UP COMPLETELY.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THAT PRIOR.
ARE WE HAPPY WITH THE FIELD THIS YEAR? WE ARE.
WE PLAYED ON 'EM A LOT OF TIMES WHEN COLLEGE FIELDS WERE CLOSED, THEY PLAYED ON 'EM.
SO, AND DID THE COOLING THING WORK AND PEOPLE, UM, WELL THAT'S STILL THE TWO.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THE, AND ACCORDING TODAY WHEN IT WAS SUPER HOT, HOT, THEY JUST DIDN'T PLAY ON.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST PROPOSING THE STANDARD MATERIAL HERE.
CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW MUCH WE GIVE TO FOOTBALL CLUB EVERY YEAR? 15, SORRY.
AND DAVE, I MEAN, FROM OUR SIDE, WE WE'RE SATISFIED AS FAR AS WE'RE PLEASED WITH IT.
IT'S DEFINITELY SAVED A LOT OF STAFF TIME PREPPING AND WHATNOT.
UM, YEAH, SO FAR WE'RE, SO THEY GOT A VERY VALUABLE RELATIONSHIP FOR SURE.
I MEAN THE BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB THEY'VE BUILT ON WHAT CTAN HAD DONE AND THEN JUST A WHOLE LOT MORE.
SO THE GOAL HERE, DAVE, WOULD BE, THEY WOULD GET THROUGH THEIR SPRING SEASON THAN WE WOULD DO THIS AT THE END OF THEIR SPRING SEASON OVER KIND OF THE MAY, JUNE, JULY.
AND IN GENOME SURFACES, IF WE GET THIS APPROVED, WE FALL IN LINE ON THEIR OTHER PROJECTS.
SO HOPEFULLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN LINE TO GET 'EM INSTALLED DURING THAT PERIOD.
BUT WE'LL SEE IF, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS THEY HAVE PUSH US BACK.
BUT THE BALL CLUB, IF WE'RE PUSHED INTO THE FALL, THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE PREPARED TO JUGGLE THEIR SCHEDULE AND WHATNOT.
SO WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
DID WE HAVE MUCH TROUBLE FIXING IT WAS SOME FIREWORKS, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF DAMAGE WAS THAT, UH, WE HAD LIKE SIX SMALL SPOTS, BUT, UH, NOTHING.
DID WE EVEN FIX 'EM OR ARE THEY JUST WE DID FIX 'EM.
NO PROBLEMS. I MEAN, NO PROBLEMS CUTTING 'EM OFF.
WE WILL BE TRYING SOMETHING NEW THIS YEAR TOO.
WE ARE GONNA BE PURCHASING SOME GUN SETS.
THERE'S A BIG, ALMOST, UH, AGRICULTURAL IRRIGATION CANNONS, IF YOU WILL.
WE'LL BE TWO ON EACH FIELD AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE EXPERIMENT YET, BUT WE'LL RUN SOME TEMPORARY LINES, HOOK IT UP TO THOSE GUN SETS AND WATER DOWN THE FIELD AHEAD OF THE FIREWORK SHOW TO HOPEFULLY MITIGATE ANY DAMAGE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
JUST, JUST A NOTE, UM, SINCE WE'RE TALKING TURF FIELDS, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THE BASEBALL TURF FIELD FOR BRENTWOOD ACADEMY.
SO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE INFIELD INFIELD AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME COMPANY SERVICES.
SO THIS IS KIND OF GETTING PUBLICITY, I THINK, AROUND THE AREA.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING THAT UP.
UH, THEN THE OTHER IS JUST NOTICE OF FUTURE APPOINTMENTS, THREE MEMBERS TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND FOUR MEMBERS TO THE TREE BOARD.
AND THOSE WILL ALL BE AT HERE FEBRUARY 12TH.
UM, JUMPING INTO OTHER ITEMS, WE'LL START WITH OUR LIBRARY FOLKS WHO ARE HERE.
AND, AND MCMILLAN MAY ADD COMMENTS, BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON UTILIZING SOME OF THE WHOLE FUNDS FOR, UH, SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE, YOU GUYS GOT THIS ELECTRONICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT HARD COPIES, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH AS I UNDERSTAND IT WITH ARCHITECTS AND, UM, KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
KIND OF GET YOUR BLESSING BEFORE WE FINALIZE CONTRACTS AND START GOING.
SO DO YOU WANT A CLICKER, SARAH? OR I WOULD LOVE A CLICKER RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT YOU JUST GAVE, GIVEN ME THE MOST, MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN THIS MEETING TODAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I WANNA START OUT THIS PRESENTATION BY THANKING,
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UM, COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN, SUSAN, DUSTIN JAY, AND MY CO-CHAIR EDWARDS.UM, SMITH, WHO'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN OUR CORE TEAM AS WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
AND WE HAVE REALLY, REALLY TRIED TO BREAK DOWN AND BE AS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AS WE CAN WITH THE GIFT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.
UM, TO START JUST A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW, IN 2019, WE DID A SURVEY OF THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD AND WE ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WANTED THE MONEY TO BE USED FOR, UM, WHEN WE WERE GIVEN THE WHOLE REQUEST.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IS GATHERING ROOMS, GATHERING SPACE.
AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF YOU WILL REMEMBER.
OR WE HAD SAID, A CAFE REALLY ISN'T A CAFE THAT YOU'RE THINKING.
UM, THE LIBRARY BOARD LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, IT'S MORE OF A, A LOUD SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER, HAVE COFFEE, MEET YOUR FRIENDS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S THE GATHERING SPACE THEY WANTED.
AND THEY WANTED MEETING ROOMS AND MORE STUDY ROOMS BECAUSE THEY WERE MAXING OUT CAPACITY AND AS WELL AS A MAKER SPACE AND TEAM PROGRAMS. SO IN THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHERE A LOT OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS WERE ADDRESSED.
AND THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM WHAT THE COMMUNITY TOLD US, THAT THEY, THEY WANT IT, UM, TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THE HOLT FUND FUNDS WHERE WE STAND, UM, AS EVERYONE KNOWS BACK IN 2017, 2018, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE ESTATE OF ODELL HOLT.
AND PART OF THAT REQUEST WAS, LET'S CALL IT AROUND 4.1.
4.2 MILLION UPFRONT WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY, UM, FOR USE OF THE LIBRARY.
UM, BUT ALSO, UM, AS OTHER LOTS SOLD IN THE WITHERSPOON DEVELOPMENT, MORE MONEY STARTED COMING IN.
SO TO UPDATE EVERYBODY WHERE WE ARE, SO TOTAL BALANCE IN THE ACCOUNTS TODAY IS $5,066,674.
NOW, OF THAT, THE INVESTMENT POLICY THAT WAS UM, DONE WAY BACK WHEN SAID THAT 25% OF THE ORIGINAL FUNDING WOULD GO INTO SHORT TERM PROJECTS AVAILABLE FOR USE.
AND THE REMAINING BALANCE WAS GONNA GO INTO THE INVESTMENT CORPUS.
SO THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN WHAT IS LEFT IN OUR SHORT TERM BALANCE PROJECTS IS 974,120.
AND THE OTHER ALLOCATION IN THE INVESTMENT CORPUS IS $4,092,554.
SO HERE'S THE COOL PART, GUYS.
LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, WE'LL GO BACK TO EXPENDITURES.
TOTAL INTEREST EARNED SINCE THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS HOW WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF MONEY, IS $457,845 AS OF THE DATE OF THIS.
NOW AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP.
SO NOW THAT BALANCE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE ACCOUNT IS REALLY STARTING TO GROW.
UM, LAST NUMBERS IS, IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $23,000 A MONTH AT THIS POINT IN EARNED INTEREST.
JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOW.
AND ALL OF THAT GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE CORPUS THIS POINT.
WHAT PERCENTAGE A PR IS IT THERE? I BELIEVE IT'S 4, 7, 5.
UM, NOW KAREN, WHERE AT, WHERE ARE WE AT? IT'S 5.30.
IT'S OUR STANDARD BANKING SERVICES.
THAT'S IN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, UM, AS YOU THINK, AND IT STARTED OUT AT LIKE 0.5 OR 5.5 0.25.
SO WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SEE THE POWER OF COMPOUNDING, UM, WHAT WE'VE SPENT TODAY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL, YOUR EARNING INTEREST.
BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'VE SPENT ON.
WE HAD TO REBRAND THE LIBRARY AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
WE HAD, UH, WE DID A BRONZE PLAQUE IN HONOR OF, UM, ODELL HOLT AND JOHN P. HOLT.
UM, WE DID HAD TO DO SOME
UM, CHILDREN'S, UM, LIBRARY TABLES AND CHAIRS AND THE LEARNING LAB, UM, RENOVATIONS.
SO WHEN THE EVENT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, INSURANCE COVERED MOST OF THE LEARNING LAB RENOVATIONS.
THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE, ROUGHLY 17,000 THAT THE HOPE FUNDS WERE USED AT THAT TIME TO COVER, UM, THE REMAINING RENOVATION OF THAT.
SO SCOPE OF TIMELINE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO IN OCTOBER OF 2022, WE ORIGINALLY WENT TO BAUER ASK YOU, UM, THAT IS WE'VE DONE BIDS FOR DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS
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AND IF BAUER ASK YOU WAS SELECTED, UM, FOR US TO WORK WITH AND THEY SENT US A QUOTE BACK FOR $1.988 MILLION.I WAS NEVER GONNA BRING THAT NUMBER TO YOU GUYS.
UM, AND THEN SO THE COMMITTEE AT THAT POINT STARTED WORKING ON WHAT CAN WE KNOCK OUT OF THIS QUOTE.
AND THAT QUOTE WAS BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY GAVE A PROPOSAL WITH MARGARET SULLIVAN STUDIOS.
THEY DID A, A SPACE PLANNING, IF YOU WILL.
THAT 1 MILLION 9 88 WAS BASED ON WHAT THE SPACE PLANNER THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO FOR OUR LIBRARY.
OKAY? SO WE CALLED A LOT OF THAT OUT, UM, FROM THAT.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER, 2022, THE FLOODING HAPPENED AT THE LIBRARY.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING MOTHER NATURE'S BLESSED US, BUT IN SOME REGARDS SHE DID BLESS THE PROJECT BECAUSE INSURANCE COVERED A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAD HAD IN OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT WE KNEW WE HAD TO DO, WHICH WAS FLOORING, RIGHT? SO GRACIOUSLY THE CITY HAS, UM, ALLOWED ALL THE FLOORING TO BE REPLACED IN MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THE FLOOD.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT AS WE GO ON IN MARCH OF 2023 AFTER WE KNEW WHAT INSURANCE WAS DOING AND AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WE SENT OUR FIRST REVISION BACK TO BAUER ASCU, WHICH REMOVED $719,000 FROM THE ORIGINAL BOOK.
A LOT OF THAT WAS INSURANCE THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THAT ORIGINAL QUOTE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN TRANSPARENCY, MARCH, 2023 TO OCTOBER, 2023, WE CONTINUED TO NEGOTIATE WITH BAUER ASCU.
UM, UM, AND THEN THE, IN OCTOBER OF 2023, THE FINAL AMOUNT CUT FROM THE BUDGET THAT WAS TWO MONTHS AGO WAS AN ADDITIONAL 276,000.
SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THAT NUMBER IS ACTUALLY GOING UP BY AN ADDITIONAL $85,000 BECAUSE OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS WE ALSO CUT OUT $85,000 FOR AN INLAY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE GREAT HALL.
BUT THAT FINAL ESTIMATE IS THE SAME.
WE JUST DID NOT CORRECT THAT, THAT NUMBER THERE.
SO YOU'RE ROUGHLY THREE 40, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST A PROJECTED COST BREAKDOWN WITH THE MODIFIED NUMBER.
WE BASICALLY TOOK $85,000 OUT OF MISCELLANEOUS THERE.
THE TOP LITTLE GREEN LITTLE BUTTON.
AH, WE BASICALLY TOOK, I'M REALLY DANGEROUS NOW, MISCELLANEOUS, WE TOOK 85,000 OUTTA HERE.
THAT WAS THAT FLOORING IN LATE WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO RIGHT NOW PROJECTED IS 9 0 7 7 9 2.
NOW WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE MONEY TODAY, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS BECAUSE WE DID GO BACK TO BAUER ASK YOU FOUR TIMES.
THEY ARE, THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SAID WE NEED TO BE ENGAGED BEFORE WE'LL DO ANOTHER RENOVATION.
SO WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR YOUR BLESSING.
WE'LL GO BACK IN JUST A SECOND.
NOT FOR FINANCIAL APPROVAL, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE BLESSING SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXECUTION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES AGREEMENT.
SO THEN WE CAN GET ACTUAL NUMBERS TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH AND ACTUAL, UM, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.
UM, BUT THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT WE HAVE WHITTLED THIS DOWN TO THE BARE, BARE BONES THAT WE, UM, FEEL LIKE WE CAN AND STILL, UM, BE WITHIN OUR GUIDANCE THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA MENTION TO THE COMM COMM COMMISSION IS THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE FFF AND E BUDGET INCLUDING FURNITURE PROCUREMENT IN THE 64,000.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT FURNITURE IS GONNA BE.
IT COULD BE MORE JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
BUT WE DID NOT WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO FURNITURE SELECTION.
WE DID NOT WANNA GO AHEAD AND PRE-ORDER FURNITURE WHEN IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO WHAT WHAT THE GROUP DID IS WE SAID LET'S GET THIS TO THE BARE BONES IF WE CAN.
AND IF THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF FURNITURE OUTSIDE, WE BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR THEIR, UM, GUIDANCE AND PERMISSION.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE JUST SAYING Y'ALL ARE ON BOARD WITH KIND OF THE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
THEN WE'LL BRING THIS ARCHITECT CONTRACT TO YOU, YOUR LAST MEETING IN JANUARY.
OH I'LL SARAH, THANK Y'ALL FOR, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY SPENT WEEKS IN ADDITIONAL MEETINGS OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING ON CONSTRUCTION THINGS AND REALLY PAIRING THAT DOWN.
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'CAUSE I SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST COME BACK BARE BONES.AND THEY, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TAKING OUT EXTRAS.
BUT TRY TRYING TO FOCUS ON WHAT DO THE CITIZENS, WHAT DO THE RESIDENTS WANT? AND THEN, AND THE FURNITURE DECISION WAS ALSO, LET'S GET IN THERE AND SEE HOW WE'RE USING THE SPACE BEFORE.
WE JUST RELY A BUNCH OF STUFF SO WE REALLY CAN SAVE MONEY AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU WALK THROUGH THE LIBRARY, YOU DO SEE, LIKE, THERE'LL BE STUDY GROUPS.
THERE'LL BE A TUTOR OR SOMETHING WORKING WITH A STUDENT AND THEY'RE AT A FOUR TOP TABLE KIND OF WASTE IN THAT SPACE WHEN IT REALLY WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY WERE AT A TWO TOP TABLE.
AND THERE'S WAYS TO HAVE MORE STUDY SPACES WITH SOME NEW FURNITURE.
UM, IT'S NOT JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK FLASHY.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE SPACE MOST EFFICIENT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? OTHERWISE, LIKE, SAY YOU'LL SEE IT BACK JUST GENERALLY.
I SEE WHERE IN TERMS OF CUTTING THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IN HALF, UM, A LOT OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT WAS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
NONE OTHER THINGS WERE COVERED BY INSURANCE AFTER THE FLOOD MENTIONED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE REALLY HIGH STANDARDS FOR THE LIBRARY AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE FIRST TIME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE STORY A LOT OF TIMES ABOUT HOW THE LIBRARY CAME THROUGH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WITH VERY INDUSTRIAL AND THEY, THEY UPGRADED IT AT SOME LEVEL WITH THIS COMMISSION OR PREVIOUS VERSION OF IT TO GET TO THE VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, ALMOST FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT KIND OF DESIGN THAT HAS AN INCREDIBLE ATMOSPHERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS YOU'RE DOING THIS AND KIND BARE BONES SO WE DON'T LOSE THE CHARACTER OF THE LIBRARY.
SO WHAT I, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE LIBRARY.
UH, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP TO A TIME LIMIT TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN I SAY CUTTING TO THE BARE BONE, IT MEANS THINGS WE REALLY DID NEED.
SOME OF THIS WAS FOR PORTS IN THE FLOOR, UM, FOR, UM, LIKE AV PORTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WAS GONNA REQUIRE PICKING UP THE FLOOR, THAT IT IS DRILLING INTO THE CONCRETE MM-HMM.
RIGHT? THOSE WERE GONNA BE EXTRA EXPENSES.
ONE WAS FOR A FIREPLACE IN THIS, IN ONE OF THE QUIET READING SPACE AREAS.
THAT REALLY WASN'T IN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
UM, THERE WERE SOME VERTICAL SHELVING ALONG THE SIDE THAT WAS DIGITAL SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE DIGITAL BRANDING THAT WOULD KEEP COMING TO MAKE IT MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY BUT STILL ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF FITTING IN THE CHARACTER.
SO MOST OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THIS, THE BIGGEST IMPACT, I'M GONNA GO BACK HERE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS BUDGET, IS RIGHT HERE.
AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THE TEAM SPACE, THAT IS THE MOST, UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, AESTHETIC CHANGE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE LIBRARY.
CURRENTLY, OUR TEAM SPACE IS TUCKED BEHIND.
UM, WHICH SOME OF IT'S BY DESIGNS, SOME OF IT ISN'T.
EVERYTHING'S CROWDED IN THERE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BY RELOCATING THE SHAW CONFERENCE ROOM AND MAKING IT A PART OF THE LEARNING LAB, WHICH THANKFULLY TO THE CITY AND ALLOWING US TO DO THAT AS A PART OF THE FLOOD.
HE TOOK THE LEARNING LAB AND MADE THREE SPACES FOR MEETING ROOMS. SO YOU HAVE A MEETING ROOM, UM, A STUDY ROOM, THEN YOU HAVE A LARGER CONFERENCE AREA, WHICH IS JUST RELOCATING THE SHAW ROOM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER, LET'S CALL IT MULTI-USE SPACE WHERE, UM, THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR AND CAN, CAN USE THIS SPACE TO CHECK IN VOLUNTEERS HELPING AT THE LIBRARY ALL WITHIN THAT SAME SPACE THAT ALLOWED US TO TAKE THE CURRENT SHOWROOM BEHIND THE TEEN CENTER AND EXPAND IT SO THAT THE TEENS HAVE MORE ROOM SO THEY CAN GROW.
SO THEY CAN FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE.
SO THEY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE SECRET DOOR, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE 'EM THAT, THAT WE MATTER.
'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE OUR, OUR TEEN COMPONENT OF THE LIBRARY BOARD FELT A LITTLE, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY NEGLECTED, BUT THEY FELT LIKE THEY WEREN'T AS IMPORTANT AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO, AND THEY'RE THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S TO, TO WHAT WE'RE DOING A LOT OF.
AND SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, IF YOU THINK OF HOW BIG THE CHILDREN'S LIBRARY PART IS, WELL AS THOSE KIDS GROW, THEY STILL NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO.
AND IT WAS THE SMALLEST, UM, THE TEEN AREA WAS THE SMALLEST.
THE OTHER COST SAVINGS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF BUILT IN TECHNOLOGY AND, AND BUILT IN BUILT, YOU KNOW, THINGS WHERE IT WAS LIKE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES SO QUICKLY.
WE NEED EVERYTHING TO BE VERY MOBILE AND MOVABLE AND ADAPTABLE TO MOVING THINGS, BIG TV SCREENS AND DIFFERENT THINGS RATHER THAN BUILDING IT IN, BUT HAVING IT ON WHEELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, AND IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GAVE YOU IN THE BACK SECTION OF IT DOES DETAIL EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN EACH SPACE.
SARAH, I THINK IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN ANYBODY TALKS
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ABOUT BRENTWOOD LIBRARY, WE TALK ABOUT IT BEING ONE OF OUR CROWN JEWELS.ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SO PROUD OF IN BRENTWOOD AND WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND WHEN THIS CAME IN AND THEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO, THEN YOU ADD THE PIECE THAT YOU WENT OVER.
THE FINANCIAL PIECE WAS VERY IMPORTANT AT THE FIRST, THE HOLT FUNDS I THINK IS INCREDIBLE.
AND, UH, I THINK THE WORK THAT SUSANNA AND THE LIBRARY BOARD HAS DONE IS INCREDIBLE.
AND I THINK THIS JUST POLISHES THE JEWEL THAT WE HAVE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HARD WORK.
WELL THOUGHT OUT, WELL PLANNED.
I WANNA ADD ONE OTHER THING THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WAS THE OLD MEDIA ROOM THAT'S BECOMING A MAKER SPACE.
THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT THE CHILDREN AND SOMETIMES THE TEAM, BUT THE CITIZENS OF BRENTWOOD, I BELIEVE, AS YOU CAN TELL IN THAT SURVEY WE DID THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE CREATIVE.
'CAUSE THEY SEE WHAT THEIR KIDS GET TO DO AT THE BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE MAKER SPACE THAT THEY HAVE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS, BUT THE ADULTS DON'T HAVE A PLACE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WANNA GO AND DO A-A-D-I-Y AND, AND HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE OR HAVE A CLASS, UM, THAT'S GONNA REALLY, IN MY PART, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, BE VERY IMPACTFUL FOR THE, THE CITIZENS OF US, LIKE MYSELF THAT DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, RIGHT.
THAT COULD ACTUALLY BRING US BACK INTO THE LIBRARY VERSUS WHERE A LOT OF US ARE DIGITAL OR BOOK.
AND IT'S JUST A ONE STOP SHOP.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT CONTRACT JANUARY 9TH, WHATEVER THAT FIRST MEETING IS.
SECOND ITEM, UH, WE'LL GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE.
UM, THE FLOOD ORDINANCE, YOU RECALL WHENEVER THAT WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE ISSUE OF ENCLOSED STAIRWELLS UNDERNEATH THE ELEVATED HOMES
UH, I THINK YOU ALL, WE SENT YOU THIS TOO, UH, THE UH, THANK YOU.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, MODIFYING THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THAT ENCLOSED STAIRWELLS, UM, AND, AND STILL TRY TO PUT SOME LIMITS ON IT SO WE DON'T LET IT GET OUTTA HAND IN TERMS OF OTHER ENCLOSED STORAGE AREAS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO WE'RE GOT THE DRAFT LANGUAGE TITLE GO OVER IT.
UM, YOU RECALL THE WAY THIS WORKS IS ONCE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE SEND IT TO TEMA TEMA FOR REVIEW.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE PERSON WHO WOULD NORMALLY DO THAT HAS LEFT TEMA AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THERE YET.
UNLESS TODD KNOWS SOMETHING NEW.
THERE'S A POSITION OPEN SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE IN LINE TO REVIEW AND OKAY.
THIS FOR US TO ACTUALLY FINALLY ADOPT IT.
IT'S LIKE ONE PERSON IN ALL STATE.
YEAH, SHE'S THE, SHE WAS THE NFIP COORDINATOR, BUT THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF INDISPENSABLE PERSON
ANYWAY, BUT, SO I WISH WE COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING WE SAY TODAY, WE'LL GET IT UP THERE AND IT'LL BE BACK IN A MONTH.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
SO, BUT THE PROCESS, THEY TOLD ME I COULDN'T EVEN SUBMIT CHANGES UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY AND, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE ME A TIMELINE FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR REVIEW, THEIR ABILITY TO REVIEW IT.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH IS, UH, ONE STAIRWAY MAY BE ENCLOSED ON THE SIDES FROM THE TREADS OF THE STAIRS TO THE, TO THE LOWEST FLOOR, UM, WITH MINIMUM CODE COMPLIANT LANDINGS AND DOORS FOR BUILDING ACCESS.
UH, THE STAIRWAY AND LANDING AREA CAN BE NO WIDER THAN 60 INCHES.
AND THAT'S AN EXTERIOR MEASUREMENT.
UM, THAT'S TO ACCOUNT FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION BLOCK.
UM, YOU KNOW, TWO BY FOURS, HOWEVER THEY MAY DO IT, BUT WE, WE'VE CAPPED IT AT 60 INCHES WIDE.
UM, NO ENCLOSED AREAS OR CLOSETS ARE ALLOWED BELOW THE STAIRWAY, UNDER THE STAIRWAY AND ONLY FLOOD RESISTANT MATERIALS AS DEFINED BY FEMA.
NO ENCLOSED AREAS OR CLOSETS BELOW THE STAIRWAY? WELL, IF THEY'RE CLOSING IT IN, YOU'VE AUTOMATICALLY CREATED A LITTLE, WE'VE GOT A DIAGRAM.
KIND OF THE, UH, THE FIRST POINT UP THERE.
AND, UH, MINIMUM FLOOD VENTS, UH, TO MEET CODE.
AND THEN, UM, WE DIDN'T CLEARLY SAY THAT ELECTRICAL, LIKE MINIMUM LIFE SAFETY ELECTRICAL WOULD BE ALLOWED DOWN THERE.
SO WE'VE ADDED THAT IN TO ALLOW FOR A LIGHT SWITCH OR A CODE COMPLIANT PLUG.
UM, SO THIS IS A RENDERING YEAH.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR ENTRANCE HERE.
THIS IS THE ONLY ENCLOSED AREA THAT GOES UP, UM, UNDER THE STAIRS IS ENCASED.
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AND THEN YOU'VE GOT OPEN AND SUPPORT POST.SO YOU'VE GOT A LANDING HERE, AND DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH YOU NEED TO GO UP PER CODE, YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER LANDING.
BUT ALL OF THESE MATERIALS WOULD HAVE TO BE FLOOD RESISTANT.
SO NO SHEET ROCK ON THE INSIDE HERE UP TO THE FLOOD PROTECTION ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD BE UP HERE SOMEWHERE.
UM, SO THIS IS, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SUZANNE? ABOUT HOW WE, THE ENCLOSED AREA IS THE GOES UP AS THE TREADS GO UP.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, UH, OKAY, SO COVERED UNDER HERE SOMEBODY WHO, SO THE TWO ERUS THAT ARE FLUSH AGAINST THE FRONT FOUNDATION WALL.
SO ONE SIDE IS OBVIOUSLY KIND OF CLOSED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
THIS SOLVES I THINK THAT OKAY.
AND THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A PILLAR BECAUSE THERE'S PLACES UP UNDER THE HOUSE THAT ARE PILLARS AREN'T THERE? YEAH.
SO THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY NO DIFFERENT IN A FLOOD THAN HAVING A PILLAR.
TODD PUT TO COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN'S POINT, DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT IT SOMEHOW THAT IF IT'S, IF ONE OF THE WALLS IS THE EXTERIOR WALL, THAT THAT OBVIOUSLY GOES TO THE GROUND, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE ONES I'VE BEEN IN.
A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
IF THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE, THEN IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THIS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT TO ALLOW THE EXTERIOR WALL TO BE THE EXTERIOR WALL.
BUT YOU'D HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU ENCLOSED THAT SPACE.
YOU HAVE TO WHAT? WELL, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S JUST USING THE EXTERIOR WALL THAT'S EXISTING.
THE STAIRS ON ONE SIDE, ON THE INSIDE PART OF IT.
IT WOULD JUST HAVE THAT EXTERIOR WALL.
WELL, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T SAY THAT THE WALLS CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW YEAH.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST THE LANGUAGE TO, AND SO THE, THE MATERIAL, THE MATERIALS YOU'RE REC SAYING BELOW THAT, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE FLOOD LEVEL, THE TOP LANDING.
UM, CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS MAYBE UM, WELL, I, I ONLY HAVE TWO COPIES OF THIS, BUT THIS IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT I KNEW YOU'D WANT ONE
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S FEMA'S BULLETIN ON FLOOD DAMAGE SISTANT MATERIALS.
SO SINCE THIS IS, UM, AN UNKNOWN DATE OF WHEN WE ARE GOING TO EVEN HEAR ANYTHING BACK FROM TEMA, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THE MEANTIME TO LET THESE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA GET APPROVED, BUT IF WE'RE FOLLOWING, IF THESE GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWING KIND OF TEMA AND WHAT THEY'VE APPROVED ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GO ON AND DO FOR, IN REGARDS TO PUTTING IN A, A DOOR THAT'S FLOOD RESISTANT, APPROVED MATERIAL AND PULLING OUT THEIR DRYWALL AND DOING SOME STUFF, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR WHILE THEY'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION GUYS ON SITE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THESE PEOPLE BACK AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE, I MEAN SOME OF 'EM ARE IN THE HOME AND THEY'RE ON A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE WAITING ON FINAL INSURANCE MONEY TO COME BACK.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M AWARE OF ONE.
UM, UM, I MEAN THE ONE THING THEY, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT THE ONE THING THEY CAN DO IS JUST REMOVE WHAT'S THERE, HAVE AN OPEN STAIRWAY.
THEY ARE THEN CODE COMPLIANT UHHUH AND CAN GET A FINAL AND I DON'T WANT OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, BUT BUT THEN THAT LEAVES AN OPEN STAIRWAY THAT RIGHT.
FOR SAFETY ISSUES, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR GOAL IS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, THAT IS THE ONE THERE IS AN OPTION TODAY IS SIMPLY TO GO BACK TO WHAT IS TODAY CODE COMPLIANT.
IT'S JUST WHAT COMPROMISE THEY PREFER, I GUESS IS EITHER WAITING FOR THE INSURANCE AND ALL THAT.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS TO, IS TO SAY, OKAY, GO BUILD TO THIS STANDARD.
BUT RIGHT THEN ARE, CAN WE WITH THE RISK THAT IT MAY HAVE TO BE MODIFIED.
YOU KNOW, IF IF FEMA COMES BACK WITH SOME OTHER, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL.
AND I'LL SAY THIS, I DO KNOW THE PERSON AT FEMA THAT WILL BE REVIEWING THIS.
IT IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ABSENCE OF THE TEMA REP.
I DO KNOW THE GENTLEMAN AT FEMA THAT WILL BE DOING IT IN ATLANTA, BUT HE'S OUT ON LEAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND HE'LL BE BACK MID-JANUARY.
SO I I CAN, I PROMISE YOU I'LL TRY TO PUSH IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO, AND I DON'T, I MEAN WE JUST HAVE TO TECHNICALLY WE'D BE, UM, ISSUING A BUILDING PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TODAY COMPLIANT WITH THE
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CODE TODAY.IT WOULD IN THEORY BE COMPLIANT WITH WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE CODE TO BE.
UM, IS THERE NEWBIE QUESTION, IS THERE ANY WAY TO OFFER A TEMPORARY, THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TEMPORARY TO GET THEM THEIR PERMANENT OCCUPANCY.
SO THEY CAN GET THAT INSURANCE WHICH IS REMOVED WHAT THEY HAVE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE TODAY.
IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO WE EITHER GOTTA REMOVE WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND WAIT FOR THIS TO BE ADOPTED OR COLLECTIVELY UNDERSTAND THAT AS WE ADVANCE THIS, IF THEY BILL TO THIS STANDARD, EVEN IF IT'S PRIOR TO FINAL ADOPTION OF IT, THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOES COME BACK WITH ANOTHER MODIFICATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME TOO.
BUT WE TEND TO BE STRICTER THAN THEM ANYWAY.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULDN'T, I THINK, I THINK TODDS FEELS LIKE THEY WOULD, BUT WE CAN'T SAY I KNOW.
I I REALLY THINK IT'LL BE FINE.
AND IT, WITH THAT THOUGHT THEN THAT WOULD BE THE OPTION IS IS THAT THEY TEAR OUT WHAT'S THERE OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO TEAR OUT OF WHAT'S THERE UHHUH BUILD TO THIS NEW STANDARD UHHUH, WE'D BE HAVING TO ISSUE A PERMIT BASED UPON A PENDING CODE CHANGE.
IS THIS JUST ONE PER, IS THIS IT'S 2, 2, 2.
SO, AND THERE MAY BE MORE ACCOUNT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS, THE ONLY THING I'M AWARE OF, UM, WELL THE, LIKE THE RANDS ARE AT A POINT WHERE THEY'RE YEAH, BUT HE'S NOT DOING WELL.
HE, HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING IF HE CAN OH DOES, BUT HE'S WAITING, HE'S NOT GONNA WASTE THE MONEY AND HE IS NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING UNTIL HE KNOWS WHAT HE CAN BE.
THE RISK IS IS MINIMAL, BUT IT'S NOT ZERO.
WE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND IF YOU'RE ALL, AND I THINK WE WOULD BE, AGAIN, CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, FEMA WILL BLESS IT, BUT WE THINK THEY WILL.
SO, WHICH MEANS AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT WE BRING IT TO YOU TWO READINGS, IT'S IN THE CODE.
SO IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF, UM, ALLOWING THEM TO PROCEED WITH PLANS AND ISSUING A BUILDING PERMIT SUBJECT BASED UPON A PROPOSED PENDING CODE CHANGE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.
I'LL BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT AS, AS, UM, I MEAN I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE KIND OF DOING IT ON THEIR, THEY'RE AT A RISK AS MARK SAID IT, SOME, SOME RISK OF THEIR YEAH.
EITHER IF IT, IF THEY DIDN'T APPROVE IT AT ALL, THEN THEY'D BE TEARING OUT A SECOND TIME.
WHICH WE DON'T THINK IS THE CASE.
OR IF FEMA SAYS, YEAH, BUT YOU GOTTA DO X, Y, Z AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO X, Y, Z.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO WAIT, YOU'RE GONNA ASSUME CONTINUE TO LET THEM HAVE THAT KINDA EXTEND THEIR TEMPORARY.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HOLDING THAT FINANCIAL PENALTY AGAINST THEM.
IF THEY CONTINUE WITH THE OKAY, THANK YOU.
IN TERMS OF WHO OWNS THE RISK, WHO OWNS THE FINANCIAL RISK IF SAY FEMA OR TEMA DOESN'T, SO THEY DO, IF THEY MOVE FORWARD AND, AND AND WANTING TO BUILD TO THIS NEW PROPOSED PLAN.
SO I, I KNOW KRISTEN ISN'T HERE FOR THE MEETING TODAY, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE TO, TO GET HER TO SIGN OFF ON WHATEVER WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THAT WE DON'T GENERALLY DO IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, I JUST, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IN ANY DISCLOSURE IF WE DO SOMETHING, WE GENERALLY DON'T DO THAT.
THE, THE WHOEVER OWNS THE RISK 'CAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CLEAR AND IF WE HAVE A STATEMENT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND FROM A PURELY BLACK AND WHITE LEGAL STANDPOINT, SHE WOULD SAY WE SHOULD NOT ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
ONE QUESTION I'LL ASK HER, UM, IS IF WE HAVE A FIRST READING OF THIS, SEND IT TO THE STATE AND JUST HOLD THE SECOND READING UNTIL APPROVAL, IS THERE SOME PENDING ORDINANCE PROVISIONS OF THE, OF STATE LAW THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT LEVEL OF DOING IT THAT WAY? I MEAN, CAN WE ISSUE A FINAL CO WITHOUT THE CHANGE ADOPTED
GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M KIND OF HESITANT TO GO AGAINST THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND AGAIN, SHE'S IN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PANEL NOW, BUT IF THERE, THERE IS SOME PENDING ORDINANCE TYPE OF THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES IN THIS CASE, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS DO A FIRST READING AND JUST HOLD SECOND READING FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD OF TIME IF THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BETTER, I DON'T WANNA SAY COVERAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, COMFORT LEVEL WITH IT.
SO BASICALLY JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THEY CAN, THE ONES THAT ARE HAVE ALREADY BUILT IT CLOSED, THEY CAN LEAVE IT FOR NOW AND UNDER A TEMPORARY AND KEEP A TEMPORARY AND Y'ALL KEEP EXTENDING THE TEMPORARY.
AND OR OR THEY CAN RISK IT AND TEAR IT OUT AND BUILD IT TO WHAT WE THINK WILL BE APPROVED KNOWING THAT AT THEIR COST, IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO POSSIBLY MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH KRISTEN FIRST BEFORE WE SAY THAT'S THE
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END RESULT OF THIS CONVERSATION, BUT POTENTIALLY, YEAH.SO IF THEY CAN WAIT, THEY'RE BETTER OFF TO JUST KEEP WAITING AND Y'ALL WILL CONTINUE THE EXTENT NO RISK.
BUT AGAIN, I KNOW THEY, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE GOT SOME INSURANCE MONEY SITTING OUT THERE PENDING A FINAL CO I THINK IS THE TRIGGER FOR THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT WE KEEP FIVE 3000, 5,000, 2,500 OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S IF THEY ON THE TEMPORARY CO IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE WORK WITHIN 30 DAYS, WE KEEP 60 DAYS.
WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE BE KEEPING ANYTHING FOR THEN? TODD? THERE'S SOMETHING Y'ALL HOLD ONTO UNTIL IT'S A, IT'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO FINISH THE WORK, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE DON'T REFUND THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE TEMPORARY.
WE DON'T REFUND THE FULL AMOUNT.
WE, FOR ANYBODY, EVEN IF THEY, I THINK WE KEEP $500 FOR ANY TEMPORARY, IT'S NOT REALLY MY SIDE OF WHAT I DO DOWN, WERE WE WAIVING ALL THEIR PERMITTING FEES DOWN AND THEN AS THE WORK PROGRESSES, PERMITTING FEES.
BUT I MEAN THIS IS A, THE MAJORITY, IT'S A TEMPORARY SEAL.
THEY, THAT'S NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S THEIR CHOICE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS A CODE REQUIRED PERMIT FEE.
SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH KRISTEN, UM, ON THAT AND REPORT BACK TO YOU ALL, BUT CONCEPTUALLY RELATIVE OTHER THAN THE ONE, SEE IF WE NEED TO CLARIFY ANYTHING RELATIVE TO IF IT'S AN EXTERIOR WALL, THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY YEAH, WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO ADJUST.
THAT CAN GO BELOW THE TREADS IF IT'S AN EXTERIOR WALL.
THANKS FOR HELPING WITH SAFETY AND PUSHING FORWARD AND USING YOUR CONTACTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE ARE, UH, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DEREK HERE IN A MINUTE.
UM, FINISHING UP RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITIONS FOR EVERYBODY, I THINK HAVE SEVERAL CLOSE.
MAYBE ONE MORE WAITING ON A BANK I THINK OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO BID THIS IN JANUARY AND WE TALKED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS OF THAT INTERSECTION BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EASY WAY AROUND THAT INTERSECTION LIKE THERE WOULD BE IN OTHER PLACES.
UH, THE IDEA THAT, UH, A POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, IN A NON-SCHOOL TIME PERIOD MAY, MAY FACILITATE THE PROJECT.
UH, BUT NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT OF ACTUALLY STARTING TO SCHEDULE AND BID AND UH, WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH IT AND REALLY SEE IF YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AN EXTENDED CLOSURE OF THIS.
IF WE CAN PULL IT ALL TOGETHER TO TIME IT OVER THE SUMMER OF 2024.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I'LL SAY AS A, UH, I HATE TO BRAG, BUT AS A SPEAKER IN COMPARISON TO SARAH THAT WAS UP HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE AMAZED AT HOW MUCH MORE DYNAMIC I AM
BUT I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF AND WE'LL KEEP IT AS INTERACTIVE AS YOU GUYS LIKE, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, UH, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF OUR DESIGN TEAM HERE, KENNETH PERKINS WITH ASH, WHO HAS DESIGNED THE PROJECT.
SARAH KATHERINE TODY IS OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS ENGINEER NOW.
SHE WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT HER CHILD HAD SURGERY, UH, TUESDAY, SO SHE'S OUT WITH HIM RECOVERING.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF SPEARHEADING THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, LIKE KIRK SAID, WE'VE GOT MOST ALL OF RIGHT OF WAY ACQUIRED.
WELL, ANYWAY, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS TO CONSTRUCT THIS.
ONE IS TO, UH, JUST DO ALL OF THE WORK WITH LANE SHIFTS, LANE CLOSURES, TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
UH, TRAFFIC IS ENCUMBERED, BUT TRAFFIC KEEPS MOVING THROUGH HERE.
IT EXTENDS THE CONSTRUCTION TIME A BIT.
IT EXTENDS THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSE A BIT JUST FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY JUST SHUT THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION DOWN.
NO TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, BUT THE CONTRACTOR COULD GET IN THERE, DO ALL THE WORK.
IT WOULD GO A LITTLE QUICKER AND ACTUALLY GO A GOOD BIG QUICKER EXPENSE.
SAVE A GOOD BID ON TRAFFIC CONTROL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING A HYBRID OF THOSE TWO, WHEREBY WE DO MOST OF THE WORK DURING AN INITIAL PHASE.
TRAFFIC IS STILL MOVING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF BID ENCUMBERED.
UH, AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE SHUT THE INTERSECTION DOWN AND DO THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK THERE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA GO THROUGH HERE TODAY.
SO JUST LIKE KIRK SAID, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS GET THIS BID OUT NEXT MONTH AND, UH, THE SCHOOL GETS OUT ON THE 23RD.
WE WANT TO GET THE UTILITY WORK, THINGS LIKE THAT DONE PRIOR TO THAT AND MAYBE HAVE THE BRUNT OF THE WORK.
I SAY MAYBE HAVE THE BRUNT OF THE WORK BEFORE KIDS GO BACK ON AUGUST THE FIFTH.
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THERE'S A, THIS, UH, SPIDER WEB OF WATER LINES THROUGH HERE.UH, BUT UM, PAR VALLEY HAS PROPOSED TO KINDA, UH, SORT THOSE OUT, COMBINE SOME OF THE LINES, BUT A BIGGER LINE THROUGH HERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT UTILITY WORK DONE IN THIS INITIAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THE LANE WIDTH WILL BE RESTRICTED A BIT AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT, GONNA CONSTRUCT IN THIS FIRST PHASE.
HERE ARE THE WORK ZONES FOR THE FIRST PHASE AND A BIT OF, BIT OF TEMPORARY PAVEMENT HERE AND HERE.
THERE'S A LEGEND DOWN HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
THE HATCHED AREA IS THE WORK ZONE, THE RIGHT TEMPORARY PAVEMENT.
SO THIS PHASE WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF TO TWO MONTHS, NO CLOSURE REQUIRED.
WE'RE HOPING TO START THAT IN APRIL.
THE INTERSECTION WOULD STILL FUNCTION AS A THREE-WAY STOP.
LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
JUST A GARAGE OF SIGNS AND BARRELS.
BUT, UH, WE WOULD, UH, MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THESE OWNERS' DRIVES OUT HERE.
SO THE SECOND PHASE WE, IT, IT'S A ESSENTIALLY A WEEKEND CLOSURE.
AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS HAVE BARRICADES HERE AND HERE AND HERE.
AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST TO INSTALL THIS TEMPORARY PAVING, THIS GRAY AREA HERE AND A BIT MORE, UH, WITHIN THIS WORK ZONE HERE.
AND, AND THIS, UH, AGAIN, THIS WOULD JUST TAKE A WEEKEND.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
THIS IS WHEN WE SHUT THE ROAD, UH, UH, IN BETWEEN PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, THEY'RE BOTH SHUT DOWNS.
BUT PHASE TWO, AFTER PHASE TWO THAT WE CAN CLOSURE WOULD BE OPENED UP WHILE WE PREPARE FOR PHASE THREE.
AND PHASE THREE WOULD BE, UH, ANOTHER CLOSURE.
UH, BARRICADES HERE, HERE AND HERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO DO THIS DURING THE TIME THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL.
AND THE BRUNT OF THE WORK ON THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE COMPLETED DURING THIS TIME.
I, I DON'T THINK I MENTIONED, BUT WE'RE PRO PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT THE ROUNDABOUT WITH CONCRETE INSTEAD OF ASPHALT.
IT'S MORE DURABLE, UH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE, WE WOULD HAVE EXPECT THROUGH HERE.
WE HAVE HAD A BIT OF RUTTING IN SOME OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT.
BUT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE CONTRACT IS THE SLOPES IN THIS AREA ARE VERY, IT'S VERY CRITICAL THAT IT DRAINS WELL AND YOU CAN GET, UM, UH, LESS LESSER SLOPES, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY WITH CONCRETE THAN YOU CAN ASPHALT AND A MORE PRECISE CONSTRUCTION SO THAT, SO THAT IT DRAINS.
BUT ANYWAY, THESE ARE THE BIG WORK ZONES FOR THIS PHASE THREE CONSTRUCTION.
WE'LL JUST GO IN HERE AND GET MOST ALL.
THE REMAINDER OF THE CONCRETE INSTALLATION FOR THE ROUNDABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AGAIN DURING THIS FOOD CLOSURE.
WHAT IF IT'S SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY? YES.
WHAT ABOUT FIRST RESPONDERS? LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK ON FOREST PARK DRIVE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY.
WE HAVEN'T, UH, LINED THAT OUT ALL THE DETAILS OUT WITH POLICE AND FIRE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT, THAT WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THAT THESE ROADS WILL BE CLOSED SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE FOR THIS AS WELL AS THEY CAN.
SO I CAN'T SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE COULD GET A FIRETRUCK THROUGH HERE TO THIS HOUSE.
UH, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND JOHNSON CHAPEL.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, ROAD CLOSURES HAPPEN FREQUENTLY AROUND.
WE JUST CLOSED DOWN, UM, SEVERAL ROADS WHERE, UM, OUT EAST FOR PAVING DIFFERENT TIMES.
THIS ROAD HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CLOSED DOWN FOR WATERLINE WORK.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO OUR BEST TO PREPARE FOR.
WE CERTAINLY DO THAT SINCE THIS IS ALL LIKE COUNTY, CITY, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, LOT'S OF SWITCHING.
ASSUME YOU GOTTA COORDINATE AND TALK TO COUNTY.
I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GOT TO THE DETOUR MAP, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO SAVE HERE WITH THIS CLOSURE IS ABOUT ANOTHER ONE AND A HALF MONTHS, SIX WEEKS OF, OF UH, CONSTRUCTION.
MORE THAN LIKELY WITHOUT THE ROAD CLOSURE, THE BRUNT OF THIS WORK WOULD TAKE ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT DONE IN ONE AND A HALF OR SIX WEEKS.
DEREK, THIS IS, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE SECOND BEFORE, IF WE GET THAT'S, UH, NOT COUNTING ANY WEATHER DELAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO THAT SORRY
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TRICK QUESTION.UM, HOW MANY UM, DAYS WILL THERE BE NO WORK, UH, BEING DONE, UM, WHEN IT'S UM, NICE WEATHER DURING THIS ONE AND A HALF MONTH CLOSURE? YEAH, WELL, UM, AND THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE WE'LL HEAR RIGHT NOW THE ROAD'S CLOSED.
THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE WORKING.
SO WHAT WE HOPE TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, MAYOR, IS BUILD IN SOME INCENTIVES POSSIBLY FOR CONSTRUCTION SO THAT IT'S DONE ON TIME OR ALSO SOME LIQUIDATED DAMAGES SO THAT IF IT'S NOT DONE ON TIME, THERE WILL BE, UH, NOT HELD PAY, BUT THERE'LL BE SOME PAYMENTS.
IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE TOOLS IN THERE.
THAT'S, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT A BIT.
SO THE ONLY, AND WE CAN DO BOTH.
THE ONLY DOWNSIDE WITH LOOK AT DATA DAMAGES IS THEY JUST KIND OF BUILD THEM INTO THEIR PLAN AND, AND INCREASE THE BID PRICES ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO YOU GOTTA DECIDE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BIGGER YEAH.
BENEFIT THAT THE INCENTIVE SIDE OF IT OR THE, THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES, WHICH THEY'LL DO BOTH THEY RIGHT.
BUT I'M SAYING THEY WON'T LOSE ON A LIQUIDATED DAMAGES 'CAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE A LITTLE HIGHER PRICE.
AND, AND, AND AS OF COURSE AS YOU KNOW, LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ONLY COUNT IF THEY'RE PUNITIVE.
$500 A DAY, DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE? $5,000 A DAY? YES.
BUT THEN WE GET INTO JUST WHAT, WHAT KIRK'S SAYING, WHETHER THEY'RE BUILDING THAT INTO THE PRICE OF THE, TO THE CONTRACT.
SO YEAH, IT, IT, THAT IS, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, IS WHERE DO YOU PUT THE EMPHASIS, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MORE ON INCENTIVES VERSUS DAMAGES.
IT IS A TYPE I, IF YOU HAVE MINIMUM LIQUIDATE DAMAGES, AT LEAST YOU HAVE IT IN THERE.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A SELLING POINT.
BUT I, I, I GUESS I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, A CONTRACTOR'S JUST GONNA SAY, OKAY, THEN MY OVERALL BID PRICE I'M GONNA AFFECT, I'M GONNA COVER MYSELF FOR, I'M ADD 4% TO FOR 30 DAYS AND THAT'S GONNA BE 150,000.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A REFLECTED ELSEWHERE IN MY, AND I'LL MAKE EVEN BETTER PROFIT IF I GET IT DONE ON TIME.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL AND WE JUST DON'T WANT A MINI FRANKLIN ROAD.
ALTHOUGH WE WOULD BE HAPPY IF WE COULD AT LEAST BE OPEN AND TRAVEL AND WE JUST DON'T WANT THE YEAH.
SO WE'VE SEEN IN THE, AT LEAST IN THE PRIVATE MARKET FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, IS THERE'S A LOT BEING BUILT IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOUR CONTRACT ISN'T ATTRACTIVE, YOU DON'T GET GOOD QUALITY PEOPLE THAT WANNA WORK ON YOUR PROJECT.
SO TO SOME EXTENT YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE, THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
AND, AND A LOT OF THE BEST COMPANIES HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE BUSY THAT DAY.
IF YOUR PROJECT ISN'T ATTRACTIVE OR IF YOUR CONTRACT ISN'T ATTRACTIVE.
IT DOES TAKE A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT THAN A TYPICAL ASPHALT THING.
WHAT WITH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOTAL CLOSURE FOR 1.5 MONTHS? MM-HMM.
WHAT IS OUR COST SAVINGS? I'M GONNA GET TO THAT.
BECAUSE I, I WILL SAY I'M, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT CLOSING IT COMPLETELY FROM A FIRST RESPONDER PERSPECTIVE.
'CAUSE IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY RIGHT HERE ON HOLLY TREE MM-HMM.
STATION ONE, IF THE CAD SYSTEM IT, IT WILL SHOW THAT CLOSE.
IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY ADJUST ALL THE DISPATCH STUFF.
IT, IT'S STILL WHILE WE HAVE ASSIGNED DISTRICTS LIKE FOR FIRE MM-HMM.
BUT IT WILL FACTOR IN A CLOSURE HERE AND KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE.
BUT WILL IT TELL THEM, OKAY, IT CAN'T BE STATION ONE 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA GO THE LONG WAY AROUND IT AUTOMATICALLY.
IT AUTOMATICALLY DOES THAT YET.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE AN IMPACT BECAUSE RIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS FOR ANY ROAD CLOSURE, WHETHER IT'S AN HALF A DAY OR A MONTH AND A HALF.
I MEAN, I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE BEST, I MEAN IF WE CAN, LIKE WHAT RESPONSE TIME IS THIS ADDING TO A HOME HERE ON HOLLY TREE VERSUS A HOME ON THE, YOU KNOW, BY FOREST PARK DRIVE IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DOUBLING RESPONSE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE CAN COUPLE, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACT, BUT I'M KIND OF JUST TAKING A COUPLE HOUSES RIGHT THERE AT THE WORST.
BECAUSE AGAIN, HERE AT HOLLY, AND AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY THIS FOR SURE, BUT HOLLY TREE, IF THAT TODAY, ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S IN THEIR HOME PLACE AND NOT MOVING AROUND AND EVERYTHING, IF THAT TODAY WOULD BE SERVED OUTTA STATION ONE RIGHT.
IT WILL TODAY OR WITH THIS IN PLACE WOULD BE STATION THREE.
WE CAN KIND OF JUDGE WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S WHAT I IT'S NOT DOUBLE, BUT IT MAY BE 30 SECONDS, 60 SECONDS.
THEY MAY ALREADY, THEY MAY ALREADY BE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS AND TOPOGRAPHY AND DISTANCE SERVICE.
I, I I, I DON'T KNOW THE ZONES.
ZERO SERVICE CENTER PATENT MAY ALREADY SERVE LIKE MANLY
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AND HOLLY TREE.AND THEN HERE CITY HALL MAY SERVE THE MURRAY LANE, JOHNSON CHAPEL AREA.
AND POLICE ARE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS MOVING.
WE TALKED ABOUT JOHNSON CHAPEL DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS DOWN THERE.
YEAH, AND NO, NO, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ROAD CLOSURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAD DISCUSSED SOME SIGNAGE AND TRIMMING BACK THINGS ALSO THREE MONTHS OR MORE OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH ALSO SLOWS DOWN TRAFFIC A LOT.
MAKES AN IMPACT ON RESPONSE TIMES THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
AND ALSO IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS DAY-TO-DAY LIVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND JUST EMERGENCIES, SO.
I I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO ALL THIS JUST A SECOND.
AND SO I'LL JUST MOVE ON A BIT THROUGH THIS.
SO PHASE FOUR WOULD BE THE ROADWAY IS, UH, REOPENED.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING THIS WOULD COME, UH, AFTER THE KIDS ARE BACK IN SCHOOL.
UM, NO CLOSURE IS REQUIRED FOR THIS.
THE WORK ZONES ARE THE INSIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT HERE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE TURF AT THIS POINT.
WE ARE PROVIDING SLEEVES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF IRRIGATION IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN THESE SPLITTER ISLANDS HERE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
UM, SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE DETOUR MAP.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY ONE MORE SLIDE.
THIS IS, UM, SO HILLSBOROUGH, UH, WHEAT CREEK ROAD, YOU KNOW, NOT THE GREATEST THROUGH PEARL FAIR IN THE WORLD, BUT IT'S THE JOB DONE OVER MANLEY HOLLY CREEK GAP.
AND THEN WE HAVE JOHNSON CHAPEL ROAD TO THROUGH LL REEVE, UP FOR DOWN GRANNY WHITE.
AND THOSE ARE THE ROUTES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE, FOR THE DETOUR.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME DETOUR THAT WAS USED WHEN OUR FIFTH VALLEY, UH, TORE UP AS, AS IF I'M CORRECT IN THIS.
I THINK THEY, UH, THEY PUT A NEW WATER LINE ACROSS MANLEY OUT HERE AND THEY CLOSED THE ROAD COMPLETELY AND THEY USED THE SAME DETOUR.
HOW LONG WAS THAT FOR? A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT PEOPLE WILL GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
GRACE LAWN AND UP THROUGH, UM, HIGHLAND VIEW.
AND WE COULD, WE'VE DONE THIS WHEN WE CLOSED CONCORD.
WE COULD PUT SOME TEMPORARY SPEED THINGS INTO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE NEEDED TO.
AND THE HIGHLAND VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY VERY NARROW WITH ISLANDS IN IT.
AND IT'S TYPICAL FOR A MAYBE 15-YEAR-OLD DRIVER WHO'S LEARNING TO DRIVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SPACE.
THERE'S, AND THEY HAVE A FEW SPEED HUMPS IN THERE, BUT WE COULD AGAIN, SO JUST WITH SOME OF THOSE TEMPORARY PLASTIC DO IN CERTAIN AREAS.
BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD JUST BECAUSE THE, I IF, IF WE DID THIS, WE COULD COMMIT TO THAT.
A LOT OF CHILDREN PLAY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THAT.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO DEFER PEOPLE FROM CUTTING THROUGH WOULD BE GREAT.
BECAUSE WHEN HOLLY TREE HAD TO CLOSE WHEN THE MUDSLIDE OR THE ROCK SLIDE HAPPENED AFTER THE FLOOD DID IT YEAH, THEY WENT, YEAH.
MANLY BARRY'S CHAPEL, I THINK ALL THAT.
ANYWAY, LET'S GO THROUGH SOME PROS AND CONS HERE.
THAT'S FOUR PHASE CONSTRUCTION AGAIN.
UH, UH, IF WE DID, UH, KEPT TRAFFIC OPEN, THE DURATION DURATION WOULD BE LONGER, UM, BY ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS PROBABLY.
AGAIN, THAT'S INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR.
THE PROS, WE CAN KEEP TRAFFIC GOING.
UH, THE PHASE TWO CAN STILL BE COMPLETED OVER A WEEKEND.
PHASE ONE CAN START AS EARLY AS MAY, DOWN DISADVANTAGES POTENTIAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO CONTINUE IN THE FALL SEMESTER.
OF COURSE, UH, THE LONGER THE CONSTRUCTION GOES ON, THE MORE POTENTIAL IT IS FOR BAD WEATHER.
UH, POTENTIAL FOR MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS.
UH, LOTS OF TEMPORARY OR MORE TEMPORARY PAVEMENT ADDED TO WIGGLE PEOPLE, UH, TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
AND JUST, UH, RUNNING BACK AND FORTH MORE TRAFFIC OVER THE NEW AREAS.
UH, JUST LEADS TO POSSIBILITY OF MORE DAMAGE TO THE NEW AREAS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND HAVING TO REPAIR THOSE, UH, COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL PHASE FOR SOME UTILITY WORK IF THEY CAN'T GET IN THERE DURING THE ROAD.
'CAUSE WHAT, WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE IS SOME OF THE UTILITY WORK TAKING PLACE DURING THE CLOSURE CLOSURE.
LONGER TRAFFIC QUEUES, THE BUDGET INCREASES A BIT AND THERE'S A TEMPORARY SIGNAL.
SO THE BUDGET INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, OR MORE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC CONTROL.
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WE LEFT THE ROAD OPEN, IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY A FIGURE FOR SHUT THE ROAD DOWN COMPLETELY AND GET IN THERE AND CONSTRUCT EVERYTHING OR DRAG THE CONSTRUCTION OUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE ALL OF THE MATERIALS AND QUANTITIES AND LABOR IS ALL STILL THE SAME.BUT THERE, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT THE CONTRACTOR, IF HE KNOWS HE'S GONNA BE IN HERE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS LONGER, HE'S GONNA BUILD SOME TIME IN HERE.
JUST AN EXPENSE JUST FOR THAT TIME.
UH, THESE ESTIMATES, THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES.
UH, IF WE DO IT WITH THE, JUST CLOSING EVERYTHING DOWN, THE PROS ARE WE GET IT DONE FASTER.
UH, EVERYBODY CAN WORK TOGETHER.
UM, WE CAN STILL OPEN IT UP FOR THAT LAST, UH, THREE WEEK PHASE.
COULD BE COMPLETED ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP.
DISADVANTAGES, COMPLAINTS, LONGER COMMUTES, ACCESS TO DRIVES, AND NO TRAFFIC AT ALL THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
SO OUR HYBRID, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FOR MOST OF THE PROJECT EXCEPT FOR THE TIME THE SCHOOL'S OUT.
AND, UH, PHASE ONE COULD STILL BE STARTED IN, MAY STILL HAVE SOME UTILITY WORK THAT CAN BE COORDINATED AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT DONE WHILE THE KIDS ARE, AGAIN, THE DISADVANTAGES OR COMPLAINTS.
SO BUDGET INCREASE FOR THIS, JUST FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL IS ABOUT FIVE TO $10,000.
THE SAME AS FOR A CLOSED INTERSECTION.
AGAIN, THIS IS UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND JUST FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL, MAINTAIN TRAFFIC TO INTERNAL PROJECT.
I THINK THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS, IS THE APPETITE FOR A CLOSURE, EXTENDED CLOSURE OF, OF THAT INTERSECTION A MONTH AND A HALF.
THE CONCERN, EVEN IF YOU ALL SAY YES, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, AS DEREK SAID, YOU'VE GOT THE COMPLAINTS THAT WILL COME WITH THE PROBLEMS OF THE CLOSURE VERSUS A THREE MONTH JUST CONSTANT CONSTRUCTION IN THOSE PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
I WOULDN'T GET TOO HUNG UP ON THE OVERALL COST IN GENERAL.
I MEAN WE, WE, WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, THE FLIP SIDE IS IF YOU ALL SAY, YEAH, WE'RE WILLING TO, TO CON YOU KNOW, DO THE, THE, UH, HYBRID, WHICH IS DO WHAT WE CAN UNDER TRAFFIC CLOSE WHEN WE HAVE TO, UM, CAN WE TIME IT UP EXACTLY.
BID IT IN JANUARY, AWARD IT, GET A CONTRACTOR, GET ALL THE PIPES AND WHATEVER TO BE RIGHT.
SO THAT JUNE ONE WE CAN CLOSE AND BE DONE.
I I AT THIS POINT, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.
AND SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN AN A CLOSURE, WHAT ABOUT IF IT EXTENDS INTO WHEN SCHOOL STARTS? YEAH.
'CAUSE I WOULD THINK YOU GOTTA WORK WITH THE, WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
THAT'LL CHANGE BUS ROUTES, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING ARE YOU EVEN OPEN IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF A CLOSURE WHEN SCHOOL'S NOT IN SESSION? KEEP IN MIND IT MAY BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE WHERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG GUYS.
UM, WE CLOSE, IT COMES AUGUST 1ST.
WELL WE CAN JUST REOPEN IT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE POURING CONCRETE AND FORMS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT'S NOT SOME OPTIONS ON THAT KIRK, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT, OKAY.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT DURING THIS, THIS PHASE HERE WE MAY BE, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH KENNETH.
UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS THERE ARE OTHER WAYS AROUND IT, NO PUN INTENDED.
I CAN JUST TELL BY THE WAY YOU LOST.
BUT I, I'LL JUST LOOK THROUGH THE SCREEN.
KENNETH AND I DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY, BUT THAT MAYBE WE GOT, AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS ALL HAS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
BUT IF WE COULD GET THEM TO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST, OH, WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON HERE AND HERE.
MAYBE IF THEY COULD GET THIS PORTION DONE, WE COULD HAVE TRAFFIC OR A, UH, SIGNAL, LIKE A ONE-WAY SIGNAL AT A BRIDGE THAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE, WE HAVE AN EXTENDED RED LIGHT HERE WHILE TRAFFIC IS COMING AROUND THIS WAY TO GO DOWN.
AND THE SAME WE WOULD ROUTE THEM OR BACKWARDS AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT IS OUT HERE.
UH, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE IF SCHOOL STARTS.
BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT INTO THE PROJECT AGAIN.
UH, OR WE AWARDED WITH ENOUGH OF A CONTINGENCY ALLOWANCE THAT, AND AGAIN, YOU ALL WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY KEPT INFORMED CLOSELY AS TO WHAT'S THE PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, WE JUST NEED YOUR ALL'S.
THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW TO KIND OF PUT ALL THIS INTO A BID PACKAGE.
IF, IF WE'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE CLOSURE, UM,
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AND GO FROM THERE.THE ONLY THING ABOUT UM, SCHOOL STARTING AND BEING CLOSED IS IT, I THINK IT BE, COULD TEMPORARILY OPEN ONE COMPONENT AND HAVE THE RED LIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA FLOW OUT OF JOHNSON'S CHAPEL AND TRYING TO GET TO SCALES ON THE LEFT TURN WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR THAT.
AND WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO PUT A POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE TO MANAGE TRAFFIC LIKE EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT STILL STAYS CLOSED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS JOHNSON'S CHAPEL.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY AT TIMES HARD.
AND AGAIN, ALL WE'RE SAYING HERE IS JUST, THERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR THE PROCESS.
NO, NO, I THINK THAT'S VERY VALID.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT DEREK WAS SAYING, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, YES.
BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANT, AND AGAIN WE GOTTA BID IT AND, AND ALL THAT.
BUT JUST SAY THAT WE GUARANTEE A MONTH AND A HALF AND IT'LL BE OPEN AUGUST 1ST.
I JUST, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS LIKE THE BEST CASE ROAD CONSTRUCTION SCENARIO AND THE LAST TIME THAT HAPPENED, KENNETH WAS WHEN NEVER
SO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH COMPROMISE OR WHICH RISK WE PREFER.
YOU KNOW, JUST GIVEN THE PRESENTATION AND ALSO COMMISSIONER SPIRIT'S COMMENTS ABOUT SCHOOL AND WHEN ALL THAT COMES ON.
'CAUSE THAT PUTS A TRUCKLOAD MORE PRESSURE ON THE SYSTEM AND EVERYONE'S OFF VACATION BACK IN SCHOOL AND WE'RE GETTING ROLLING.
NOT TO MENTION TRAFFIC FROM BROADWOOD MIDDLE ROAD HIGH AND OTHERS.
UM, I'D PREFER THE COMPROMISE JUST BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING OF GOING FOR IT AND SEEING IF WE MINIMIZE IT WHEN PEOPLE MIGHT BE TRAVELING.
WE MIGHT HAVE FEWER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND WE DON'T HAVE THE PRESSURE FROM THE SCHOOL SCHEDULE.
SO IT GETS SPREAD OUT OVER MORE TIME AND THEN ADJUST LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING, IF IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MISSING THAT DEADLINE, THEN FIGURE OUT HOW WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, CALL IT AUDIBLE TO ADJUST BASED ON THE REALITY.
BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET CALLS WAY WE DO IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE BOND OF CALLS IS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE AND SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER IMPACT ON CITIZENS AS WE GET IN, YOU KNOW, OUTTA SUMMER VACATION INTO SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT YOU'RE GETTING AT WITH THE POLICE AND OTHER INVOLVEMENT.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT THEY CAN WORK ON IT FOR A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF WITHOUT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
BECAUSE I KNOW TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IT, THEY HAVE TO PUT UP AND PULL DOWN SO MUCH EVERY DAY.
THEY WASTE EXACTLY A COUPLE HOURS IN THE MORNING, A COUPLE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON THAT THEY COULD JUST BE WORKING STRAIGHT THROUGH AND THERE'S A BETTER SHOT OF US GETTING IT DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.
THAT'S THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING SUBSTANTIALLY SAFER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS THEMSELVES.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT WE CERTAINLY SHOULD TAKE THAT ACCOUNT.
A LITTLE BIT UNRELATED QUESTION.
UM, LOTS OF TALK ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME HOW FAST CAN WE, IS IT DESIGNED FOR YOU TO DRIVE THROUGH? SO WHAT IS, HOW, WHAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT OR THE SPEED EXPECTED SPEED FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT? I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA DEFER TO OUR CONSULTANT.
SO THIS ROUNDABOUT WAS DESIGNED FOR, UM, THIS ROUNDABOUT IN PARTICULAR WAS DESIGNED FOR A 20 UM, MILE POWER SPEED LIMIT.
UM, SO A LOT OF THE DEFLECTION AND THE DESIGN KIND OF DROVE IT TO LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKED.
SO, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, COMING OFF EVERY LANE IS A 35, SO MM-HMM
I WOULD ASSUME IT HAVE BEEN A LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
SO THOSE, UM, ARE DRIVEN BY THE SIZE.
SO THIS IS A A HUNDRED, UM, DIAMETER SIZE ROUNDABOUT.
SO THE DESIGN SPEED IS KIND OF DRIVEN OFF OF THAT.
SO IF IT WAS A LARGER, I MEAN A SMALLER ONE, THEN THE DESIGN SPEED WOULD BE SMALLER.
LIKE THE ONE AT BQ AND YOU CAN LOT TIMES MANEUVER THROUGH 30 OR 40 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE IT'S TWO LANES YOU DON'T WANT THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS YOU GET 'EM TOO SLOW.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE WITH SIGNALS, YOU GET THE CUEING, BUT YOU KIND OF WANT 'EM AT A, AN AVERAGE SPEED UM, DROP.
SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO 10 MILE PER HOUR, YOU MAY HAVE A LOT OF QUEUING COMING FROM ONE OF THOSE LEGS.
AND THE REALITY IS THOUGH, THE SMALLER THE ROUNDABOUT GETS, THE FASTER THE THROUGH TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO.
WE HAVE IT THIS LARGE TO MAKE IT AND WE'VE EVEN WIGGLED THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT COMING IN AND OUT THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO AS TRAFFIC CALL ME.
SO IF WE CLOSE IT COMPLETELY AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE, OKAY, ON THE MURRAY LANE SIDE OF THINGS NEAR BMS OR WHATEVER, YOU'VE GOTTA START PUTTING SIGNAGE THERE BECAUSE ONCE PEOPLE GO AND THEY GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR VERY NARROW TWO LANE, THAT'S WHERE DO THEY TURN AROUND AND CAN, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO, THEY'RE GONNA IGNORE IT EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS NO THROUGH TRAFFIC RESIDENCE ONLY OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA TRY, CAN WE TEMPORARILY UTILIZE THE LITTLE COUNTY OWNED
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LOOP THAT THE PEACH TRUCK PARKS AT ALL THE TIME?TO JUST SAY SORRY, YOU KNOW, BAD OPTIONS.
WELL I THINK THAT IF YOU GO TO YOUR CLOSURE SECTION, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BACK, NO THAT BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS
SO THE LITTLE PORTION THAT, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE MORE THAN LIKELY TO, UH, CONTRACT WILL STATION AND MOBILIZE THEIR SITE.
SO WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO, WHERE, WHERE IS THE TURNAROUND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STUBBORNLY GO THROUGH AND THEN REALIZE THEY'VE GOTTEN TO A COMPLETE DEAD END? AND SO, AND, AND THIS IS JUST SHOWN FOR, FOR UM, TECHNICAL PURPOSES, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY THIS WOULD BE AT THAT INTERSECTION JUST AT MAINLY THERE.
AND WHAT ABOUT FROM THE MURRAY LANE SIDE OF THINGS? 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, IT'S THE SAME THING.
SO THERE WE GO TO THE DETOUR MAP RIGHT HERE.
SO THE, THESE SIGNS WOULD BE AT THE, LIKE THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO PAST THIS ROAD HERE.
THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO PAST THAT ROAD THERE AND MY VICE VERSA.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO PAST THIS ROAD UNLESS YOU'RE BLESS YOU LIVE UNLESS YOU'RE A LOCAL RESIDENT.
SO THIS, THIS, THIS WILL SAY, UH, ROAD CLOSED.
IT'LL BE A BARRICADE AND A SIGN SIGN.
BIG SIGN ON A TYPE THREE BARRICADE.
I MEAN CARS CAN'T DRIVE PAST THOSE AND IT HAS THE SIGN ON THE ROADS, CLO ROAD CLOSED DETOUR HEADS.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LET PEOPLE LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY.
BUT TO YOUR ANSWER, YOUR QUESTION, THEN AT THAT POINT, IF SOMEBODY GOES AROUND A BARRICADE THAT'S RIGHT, THEN THEY'RE ON WHATEVER THE BACKUP TO A DRIVEWAY OR WHATEVER THE CASE WOULD BE, SOLVE FOR THAT.
IT'LL HAPPEN ONCE FOR THAT PERSON HOPEFULLY.
MAYBE THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION, BUT GOES BACK TO FRANKLIN ROAD AND I THINK ALSO SOME OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE HAD, AND JONES BROTHERS WAS NOT THE BEST CONTRACTOR I DON'T THINK ON, ON FRANKLIN ROAD.
AND I KNOW THERE WERE UTILITY ISSUES, ET CETERA, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH JONES BROTHERS THEN WE HAD TROUBLE WITH JONES BROTHERS ON A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS.
IT JONES BROTHERS GONNA BE SOMEBODY WHO'S CONSIDERED FOR THIS OR I, WE CAN'T KEEP THEM FROM BIDDING.
I DON'T KNOW IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WHICH I'VE WORKED THE BID WAS BASED ON THE LOWEST AND BEST BID.
I'M NOT SURE KRISTEN, IF WE DO THAT HERE.
UH, SO I I'M NOT SO IF THERE'S AS LOWEST, BUT IT'S NOT BEST WE COULD OPT TO.
DO WE HAVE TO? YEAH, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A SCALE OF A PROJECT THAT INTERESTS THEM OR NOT.
UH, I MEAN RELATIVELY SPEAKING IT'S A SMALLER SCALE PROJECT.
IT'S A BIG HEADACHE TO POTENTIALLY, BUT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ACAD SYSTEM KNOWING THAT IT WAS CLOSED WILL GPSS NO WAYS AND GOOGLE WILL GO AS SOON, IT MAY TAKE A FEW DAYS, 4 48 HOURS, IT'S ALGORITHMS, WHICH IS WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY DIRECT PEOPLE THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU CAN BE ON THE INTERSTATE AND WRECK HAPPENED EIGHT MINUTES AHEAD OF YOU AND IT AUTOMATICALLY KNOWS AND TELL YOU TO JUMP OFF AN EXIT.
CITY PLANNER AND CITY ABOUT 10 PEOPLE STOP.
SO THEY WOULD SEND THAT INFORMATION TO WAYS, WAYS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE.
IF WE COULD, YOU MEAN I WAS EVEN IN DOWNTOWN NASHVILLE YESTERDAY AND ROAD CLOSED AND WAZE WAS TRYING TO TAKE ME AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND IT DIDN'T ALERT THAT IT WAS YEAH, THERE'S, I DON'T, I WASN'T AWARE WE, IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO THEY WOULD UPDATE THEIR SYSTEM BASED OFF COUNTY GIS AND IT WOULD POPULATE THIS DETOUR.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WILLING TO TO CONSIDER A CLOSURE IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO THE, THE HYBRID SCHOOL PERIOD THING IF WE HAVE YEAH.
DO WHAT WE CAN UNDER TRACK IF WE HAVE A MM-HMM
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIGGER NIGHT DOMINO EFFECT.
NIGHTMARE OF HAVING TO LITERALLY REDO BUS ZONING IF THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH THE BUS ROUTES, IF THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH THERE.
SO IF IT'S NOT DONE BY THE START OF SCHOOL, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC.
AND WE'LL KNOW BUS TRAFFIC HOPEFULLY EARLY ENOUGH IN THE SUMMER WHETHER WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE DONE, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME TO FIGURE OUT.
AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THEN IF WE BID IT, AWARD IT UNDER THIS SCENARIO AND IF IT DOESN'T ALL COME TO PLAY, THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGE ORDERS THAT COME AND THAT KIND OF STUFF TO ADDRESS OTHER THINGS.
AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL LET THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION OFFICE KNOW FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY ABOUT THE BUS.
JUST SO THEY CAN BE PREPARED IN CASE, I MEAN WITH JUST THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS, COUNTY ROADS, SO RIGHT.
HE'S GOTTA WORK WITH EDDIE HOOD AND THAT KIND OF, RIGHT.
SO THESE ARE, THIS IS OUR PLAN WHETHER CONTINGENT, CONTRACT CONTINGENT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN CASE THEY NEED TO BUFFER IN SOME TIME TO YES MA'AM.
AND AGAIN, I THINK IF WE AWARD THIS AND WE GET TO THE MIDDLE OF MAY AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS AND WE JUST KNOW IT'S GONNA, WE MAY HAVE TO JUST PUNT RIGHT.
AND GO BACK TO A FULL THREE MONTH WITH TRAFFIC.
I MEAN AS LONG AS WE CAN PUNT
SO I JUST, EVERYBODY'S ON THE AWARENESS OF THAT.
UH, NEXT ITEM WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT
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THE WORK SESSION.UM, SO YOUR CALENDAR'S COMPLETELY OPEN IN JANUARY, WE'LL
I HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF YOU THAT YOU FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A BETTER TO DO LIKE A DEDICATED WORK SESSION, NOT TRY TO PIGGYBACK IT ON THE END OF A THURSDAY MORNING.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL DATES AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT STAFF-WISE.
WE HAVE GREG JUDY UNDER A TASK ORDER TO LOOK AT BOTH PARKING DEMAND AND THE CROCKETT ROAD ACCESS POINT.
HE, UH, HOPES TO HAVE SOMETHING TO US BY THE FIRST, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, BRIAN RICHTER, THE ARCHITECT IS LOOKING AT, UH, THE PARK SPACE TO IT.
HE HAD ALREADY HAD A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT HAD SHOWN THE COMMITTEE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, BUT IF WE DID ADD THE PARK SPACE TO IT, THOSE ARE THE TWO KIND OF NON BRACKET RELATED ISSUES.
UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT SOME COSTS FOR THAT MIGHT BE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THOSE WOULD BE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR Y'ALL TO KNOW.
MEAN THE OFFICE SPACE FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR FLEET VEHICLES AND STUFF.
ALL THAT TO SAY IF, IF WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE THE THIRD OR FOURTH WEEK OF JANUARY, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AS PART OF THAT MEETING.
BUT WE'LL DO WHENEVER IT IS YOU ALL, I'M OUT OF TOWN THE FOURTH WEEK, THE WEEK OF THE 22ND, 28TH.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S SORT OF FIFTH WEEK.
I COULD DO THE 23RD OR THE 25TH AT THIS TIME.
FIFTH BUDGET PUBLIC MEETING ON THE 18TH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A THURSDAY.
SO WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANNA DO IT ON THE 18TH OR IN THE THIRD WEEK, WHICH JUST GIVES THEM THE CHANCE.
SEVERAL OF YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU'D RATHER HAVE A KIND OF A DEDICATED SESSION TO IT.
YOU, BUT THE, YOUR BRIEFINGS ARE THE FOURTH AND THE 18TH AND WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH THE RECONCI FACILITY ON THE 9TH OF NOVEMBER.
SO ALL THESE QUESTIONS CAME UP THEN.
SO WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS OR A FULL MONTH TO THINK ABOUT THE QUESTIONS AND START ASKING THEM AND HAVE PEOPLE WORK ON THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES.
I'M SORRY, SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN SINCE THE 9TH OF NOVEMBER, THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT YOU SAID EARTH BEING ADDRESSED.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN STARTED, THOSE STARTED GETTING WORKED ON RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING.
THAT HAD, THERE HASN'T BEEN A DELAY IN THOSE THINGS.
PARKING ENTRY PARKS, LIKE CAN WE HAVE LESS PARKING SPOTS OR ALL THOSE THINGS? ALL THOSE ISSUES.
NEIL SCHAFER IS GREG JUDY'S WORK NOW.
SO CAN THAT BE COMPLETED BY THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER? NOVEMBER? I MEAN, WELL I SAID IT'S RIGHT NOW HIS, THE TASK ORDERS GIVES HIM THROUGH THE SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY AND I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A WEEK OR TWO TO LOOK OVER WHAT THEY FIND ONCE WE GET IT.
BEFORE WE HAVE A, WELL IT, IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY.
NO, BUT JUST SO I MEAN IT WON'T BE, IT'S A TWO OR THREE PAGE MEMO PROBABLY.
IT SAYS COULD WE DO IT ON THE 18TH IF WE HAVE IT? I MEAN IT'S NOT A DEDICATED DAY, BUT IF WE DEDICATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS COULD BE THERE, YOU KNOW, IS IT, WELL JUST ADD IT TO THE TAIL END OF A COMMISSION BRIEFING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE ALREADY HERE, IT'S ALREADY ANNOUNCED PUBLIC MEETING IN TERMS OF BEING PUBLICIZED AND MEETING ALL THE OPEN MEETING REQUESTS AND ALL THAT.
WELL I THINK YOU WOULD STILL PROBABLY ADVERTISE IT AS LIKE A, LIKE THE BRIEFING IS AT NINE AND THEN YOU WOULD SAY 10 30 OR 11 WOULD BE A RECORD FACILITY WORK SESSION.
BUT EITHER WAY, ADVERTISING ISN'T THE, ISN'T AN ISSUE.
I MEAN I KIND OF THINK IF WE WE'RE ALREADY HERE THEN WE ADD IT TO THE END OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S JUST IF, IF, AND AGAIN, I JUST HEARD COMMISSIONER LITTLE SAY THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A LONGER MORNING FOR IS IT? BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER TIMES AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE OUT TOWN, THE ONLY OPTION IS THE 18TH.
NOBODY SAID THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN.
THE 23RD OR 25TH THAT NEXT WEEK.
I THOUGHT THAT MR. TRAVIS DID I FIRST IT WOULD BE BETTER TO, HE SAID HE'D BE OUT THAT FIFTH WEEK.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE IT AS ITS OWN RATHER THAN IT BEING DEALT WITH BRIEFING MATERIAL AND THEN DEALING WITH THIS.
BUT HOW LONG ARE YOU ANTICIPATING MEETING? I MEAN A COUPLE HOURS.
I, I I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY A COUPLE HOURS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA WILL BE ON THE 18TH? WELL I, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL.
I MEAN I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST WHAT IS THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION THAT YOU ALL NEED.
WHAT MORE WE'LL PRESENT WHATEVER INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THE PARKING ISSUE AND THE, AND ALL THAT
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WE, YOU KNOW, I THREW OUT THERE, IS THERE A, A COMMUNITY, A PUBLIC PROCESS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THAT DISCUSSION.AND THEN WE'LL BE PREPARED TO UH, TALK JUST IN GENERALITIES ABOUT CAPITAL FUNDING AND AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.
SO COMMISSIONER LITTLE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR YOUR SCHEDULE IF YOU'RE THINKING THE, THE WEEK OF THE 22ND OR THAT WAS YEAH, LIKE THE 23RD OR THE 25TH THAT TUESDAY OR THAT THURSDAY 25TH.
WE HAVE A MEETING DON'T WE? NO, IT'S THE 18TH.
SO ARE YOU THINKING THE BUDGET MEETING IS THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY? LIKE IT COULD BE IN THE MORNING OR IN THE AFTERNOON OR WHAT SORRY? EVENING MEETING WHERE IT DIDN'T INTERRUPT WORK OR TO ME IT MAKES SENSE.
NOT PER SE IT'S OKAY FOR IT TO BE IN THE DAYTIME.
IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME ON A THURSDAY TO EXTEND OUT, SINCE WE NORMALLY HAVE MEETINGS ON THURSDAYS AT 9:00 AM I THINK MOST OF US DON'T SCHEDULE OTHER ACTIVITIES ON THOSE TIMES AS A ONGOING OCCURRENCE.
SO IF WE KNOW IN ADVANCE, TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT AT NINE O'CLOCK ON A THURSDAY.
AND IF I OF COURSE WOULD PREFER THE 11TH.
BUT IF IT'S THE 25TH, DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE? I'M FINE WITH THE 11TH.
EXTENDING THE 18TH OR THE 25TH.
IN TERMS OF THE 11TH DOESN'T WORK FOR THE STAFF.
WELL I'M JUST SAYING I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL HAVE, COULD IT WORK FOR THE STAFF IF THEY KNEW THAT THEY HAD A MONTH THAT'S A MONTH FROM NOW MINUS A COUPLE DAYS OFF FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
I'M SURE IT'S MORE THAN A FEW DAYS OFF GETTING THE STAFF DONE BUT LIKE IF THEY'RE TAKING THE WEEK OFF BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND SOMETHING FOR SURE THAT'S A, SO I COULD SEE, I MEAN THE 18TH DEPENDING ON THE AGENDA AND IF IT DIDN'T KEEP, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS OR THE COMMISSIONER LITTLE PASSES HIS COMFORT LEVEL OR THE WEEK AFTER ON THE 25TH.
I MEAN IF EVERYBODY WANTS THE 18TH, I'LL JUST TRY TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT I MEAN I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO IT ON THE 18TH, TRY AND KEEP NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS REALLY LIGHT ON THAT DAY OR NON, YOU KNOW, SHOVE 'EM TO ANOTHER TIME.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD WANT GIVEN, I'M ASSUME THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS, WE WOULD WANT TO UM, NOT JUST ADVERTISE IT AS ANOTHER BRIEFING TIME.
NO BUT AS A SET TIME WHETHER 30 RIGHT.
YEAH, WHATEVER I THINK WE DO MAKES SENSE.
I'M ALSO THINKING COMMISSIONER DUNN I THINK SOMETIMES PREFERS JUST TO RATHER STAY AND NOT AND WE CAN DO 10 AGAIN.
I RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING HUGE THAT WOULD BE AN EXTENSIVE REGULAR AGENDA BRIEFING ON THE 25TH.
ON THE 18TH YOU MEAN? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
SAY I'D SAY IF WE COULD DO 10 IT WOULD HELP SCRUNCH.
IT GIVES ME AFTERNOON TO GET STUFF.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I SAY TWO HOURS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ALLOT.
BUT AGAIN, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE, TO ME IT'S YOUR DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU NEED AND WHAT PROCESS HAPPENS TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON ARE WE MOVING FORWARD? IN WHAT FORMAT ARE WE MOVING FORWARD TO A HUNDRED PERCENT CITY, ARE WE GOING BACK TO COUNTY WHAT YOU, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO AGAIN HAVE SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION RELATIVE TO UH, CAPITAL PLANNING, BUDGETS, PROJECTS THAT OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW NEED FUNDING AND ALL THAT.
AND KIND OF WHERE'S IF WE DID THE CITY FUNDING, UM, WHERE MIGHT THAT BE ABLE TO COME FROM? AND IT'S A COMBIN, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
AND AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACILITY AT 12 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN THE PARKS FACILITY, WHICH WE HAVE MONEY IN THE CIP IT'S JUST A COUPLE YEARS FARTHER OUT THAN WHEN WE MIGHT NEED IT IF WE DO IT IN.
AND THEN WHATEVER HAPPENS AT CROCKETT PARK THAT WOULD ADD, OR CROCKETT ROAD THAT WOULD ADD TOGETHER TO A TOTAL THING.
CROCKETT ROAD PARK'S OFFICE, THOSE EXPENSE EXPOSURES ARE THE SAME REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S PARTNERED OR NOT PARTNERED.
I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, BUT THEN YOU GOT THE 12 MILLION SINCE IT'S KIND OF, I FEEL LIKE WHENEVER WE DISCUSS THIS WE'RE GONNA GET GONNA GET TO INTO OTHER BIG PROJECTS.
WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO JUST SAY OKAY, THE FIRST PART OF THE BUDGET MEETING ON THE FIRST WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST GONNA END UP DOUBLE DISCUSSING BIGGER PROJECTS IF WE BRING THIS UP ON THE 18TH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE DID A SEPARATE MEETING, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE MEETING AND THAT PROBABLY ISN'T IN THE WHOLE BUDGET MEETING, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO SO YOU'RE SAYING DO IT SEPARATE BECAUSE YEAH, I THINK IF WE DO IT HERE YOU'LL END UP MAYBE SHORTENING THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
I JUST THINK IT'LL BE A LOT OF REDUNDANT THAT THAT MAKES SENSE TO OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO GET, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD JUST SEPARATE.
'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY A LOT OF THE CAPITAL STUFF WE'RE, WE'RE ALL OF OUR CAPITAL STATUS MEETINGS ARE NEXT WEEK WITH DEPARTMENTS.
THE, THE STUFF WE WOULD NORMALLY BE COVERING IN FEBRUARY 1ST, WE'LL COVER A LOT OF IT AS PART OF THIS IN TERMS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER IN THE BUDGET NOW THAT ARE, WE KNOW ARE GONNA NEED MORE MONEY, OLD SMYRNA ROAD, MAYBE RAGSDALE, WHATEVER THOSE MIGHT BE.
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AND THEN WHEREAS OTHER FUNDING, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA FUND THIS FAC, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE FACILITY AND FUND IT ALL ON OUR OWN, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? RESERVES, BONDS TAKING FROM OTHER PROJECTS, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE 18TH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
JUST A AND WE'LL JUST PICK 10 O'CLOCK SAY THAT.
WHATEVER THE AGENDA IS, WE'RE GONNA BE DONE WITH THE BRIEFING AT 10 O'CLOCK AND WE'LL TRANSITION INTO THIS.
HOLLY, WILL YOU SEND THAT OUT TO US? THANK YOU.
IF YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A BIG ISSUE THAT WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD START EARLIER, LIKE 8 45 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU COULD.
JUST DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP IT UP TIME FOR PUBLIC.
OR IF WE IDENTIFY IT BEFORE YOUR JANUARY 4TH MEETING, WE CAN KIND OF PULL IT TO THAT MEETING COVER IN ADVANCE.
UM, WE'LL TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT THIS REZONING, BUT THAT WOULD BE ON YOUR JANUARY 8TH MEETING IF THAT MOVED FORWARD ANYWAY, SO, OKAY.
JANUARY 18TH COMMITTED TIME AT 10:00 AM AND UM, AND WE WILL JUST KIND OF ALLOT TWO HOURS AT THE MOST, MAYBE IT, IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MARK AND AND ANN ON THAT BUT I'M ASSUMING SINCE IT'S ALREADY HOPEFULLY ON THEIR CALENDARS.
ARE Y'ALL GONNA BREAK OUT LIKE ON THE NUMBERS? TOTALLY BREAK OUT SEPARATELY? 'CAUSE REGARDLESS OF IF WE DID IT ON OUR OWN OR WITH THE COUNTY, THE WORK ON CROCKETT YEAH THERE'D BE THREE SEPARATE, THREE COST COMPONENTS.
THE FACILITY ADDING THE PARKS FACILITY OR PARK OFFICES AND THEN A CROCKETT.
BECAUSE REGARDLESS CROCKETT ROAD HAS TO HAPPEN IF YOU WERE PARTNERED, IF WE WERE, IF WE HAD CONTINUED ON WITH THE COUNTY, WE WOULD'VE HAD THE ISSUE OF CROCKETT ROAD REGARDLESS OFFICE FACILITY TO DEAL.
THEY'RE STILL ALL PART OF THE TOTAL DOLLARS WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT, ONE'S NOT DRIVING THE OTHER.
SO, OKAY THEN REAL QUICK, UM, JUST A HEADS UP ON THIS AND, AND BOB, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THIS IS EVEN OR DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING NEW COMING IN? NO, I'M STILL SORT OF WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE APPLICANT ON A COUPLE THINGS.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN STILL.
SO IT'S NOT GUARANTEED TO BE ON THE JANUARY, BUT IT COULD BE ON YOUR JANUARY 9TH AGENDA.
AND SO USUALLY FOR A REZONING WE DON'T LIKE TO JUST HAVE IT SHOW UP ON YOUR AGENDA WITHOUT GIVING YOU A LITTLE HEADS UP.
SO IT'S WALLER, CONCORD AND WALLER.
IT'S THIS CHURCH OWNED PROPERTY RIGHT NOW ZONED, WELL IT'S HANNAH OWNS IT.
UM OH REALLY? I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE CHURCH AT ONE POINT, BUT SO IT'S ZONED SI ONE VERY EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS MILL CREEK HERE.
YEAH, NOLANSVILLE ROAD CONCORD.
SO THE REQUEST AS IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM IS TO GO FROM SI TO R TWO, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A THREE, THREE LOTS.
THERE'S A, I GUESS THAT'S A TVA EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FLOODPLAIN AND IN THE FRONT AND THEN METRO IS BEHIND IT WITH A LOT OF FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY.
THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE, SOME OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND IT THAT'S IN, UH, METRO ALSO, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS.
SO I THINK THE AREA BEHIND IT'S SORT OF UNUSABLE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY IN, IN METRO.
SO THEY, THEY MAY SORT OF EXTEND THEIR PROPERTIES INTO, INTO METRO.
BUT FOR WHAT, FOR OUR PURPOSES, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK AT FOR PLATTING AND REZONING.
UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE THREE LOTS AND NOLANSVILLE WATER OR METRO SEWER I WOULD GUESS.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT YET BUT I I KNOW IT'S METRO SEWER.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOLANSVILLE WATER, BUT I DUNNO.
SO ANYWAY, JUST CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE BEFORE THAT ONE? YES, THANK YOU.
YOU HAVE OSRD UP HERE AND THEN R TWO ALL AROUND IT HERE.
NONE OF THAT'S SPELLED ON YOU.
ANOTHER PICTURE DID LOOK LIKE IT.
YEAH, SO IT WAS JUST BASICALLY, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER EXTEND THAT KIND OF SCENARIO DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
SO AGAIN, JUST A HEADS UP, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THEM AND WE THOUGHT THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT THE CHURCH THAT'S ASKING.
YEAH, IT'S HANNAH IS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
THAT'S THEIR LAST NAME AND THEY BOUGHT IT FROM THE CHURCH.
SO, SO THE CHURCH IS NO LONGER IN OPERATION? UM, NO, THAT CHURCH I THINK THE CHURCH IS UNDER IN OPERATION.
THEY JUST DID, WEREN'T USING THAT, THAT THEY AT ONE TIME HAD A LARGER PLAN I GUESS TO EXPAND PARKING UP THERE AND THEY, THEY'VE NOT DONE THAT.
SO DIRECTIONS AND THE CHURCH PROPERTY'S ALREADY KIND OF WEIRD.
SQUARE IN IT AND THAT TRACKED AND THAT TRACKED.
AND THIS GOES BACK A LONG WAY, BUT AT ONE POINT THEY TALKED ABOUT TAKING CONCORD RIGHT STRAIGHT ACROSS UP THERE BEFORE THEY DID THAT OTHER IMPROVEMENT THAT WENT THAT WAY.
THIS WAS A LONG TIME AGO, I THOUGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE EVER GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS HERE.
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NO, IT WOULD BE BACK THERE WHERE THE LAKE LOOKING THING GO HERE.RIGHT BEHIND PUBLIX AND ALL THAT UP THERE.
I, I THOUGHT THAT OH, LIKE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, THAT'S, OH GOSH, I DON'T REMEMBER.
IT WAS A RUMOR A LONG TIME AGO THAT THAT WAS GONNA SPEED UP GETTING PEOPLE FROM NOLANSVILLE TO, TO BRENTWOOD.
YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF FLOOD PLAIN AND, AND A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY.
SO AGAIN, JUST, JUST HEADS UP IN CASE IT SHOWS UP ON YOUR JANUARY AGENDA BEFORE WE HAVE ANY OTHER FUTURE DISCUSSION.