[ Brentwood City Commission Briefing November 9, 2023 Click on Download PDF Packet above to view Briefing Agenda This informational meeting is an opportunity for the Board of Commissioners to discuss the upcoming agenda, to ask questions of staff and applicants, and to request additional information prior to the formal Monday meeting. ]
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UM, BEFORE WE START, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR FRIEND WHO HAVE JOINED US, UH, I'M SURE ALL OF WHOM ARE GONNA TALK, WANNA HEAR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TENNIS FACILITY, WE DO HAVE THE AGENDA TO GO THROUGH FIRST, AND WE ALSO HAVE, IN ADDITION TO TENNIS, TWO OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT AFTER WE CONCLUDE THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN THROUGH THE REGULAR AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT TENNIS AND PARK FEES, AND ULTIMATELY TALK ABOUT THE CITY HALL PROJECT AND HOW YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE AECD MEETING AT 6 45.
WE WILL HAVE THE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT, UH, AS WELL AS REPORT FROM KATHLEEN WATKINS REGARDING THE ACTIVITIES IN ECD ON THE AGENDA.
FIRST ITEM ON CONSENT IS THE ANNUAL ADOPTION OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEE SCHEDULE.
RECALL COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS PROJECT FEE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT FEE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1995.
UH, THIS IS OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.
WE HAD NOT REVISED THOSE, UH, IN A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I THINK WE WENT TO 2007 AND THEN NOT AGAIN UNTIL 2019.
AND SO WITH THOSE BIG JUMPS BETWEEN THE TIMES WE REVISED THOSE, YOU HAVE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES THAT ARE NEEDED.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IN 2019 WAS WE INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT SAID EVERY YEAR WE'RE GONNA INCREASE IT BY THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT.
UH, THAT AMOUNT IS A 2.45% INCREASE, UH, OVER LAST YEAR.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S STRAIGHT OFF OF THE INDEX THAT'S LOWER THAN THE 2022 AND 2023 INCREASES, WHICH WERE BOTH MORE THAN 7% AND MORE THAN 5%.
SO YOU CAN SEE CONSTRUCTION PRICES MODERATED, THAT'S NOW REFLECTED IN THE FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN ROUNDED TO THE NEAREST $5.
YOU GET THE NUMBER ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, AGAIN, 2.45%.
ITEM TWO, DOES THE PUBLIC, DOES THAT APPLY TO IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF RECONSTRUCTION GOING ON OR JUST A NEW PROPERTY? IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, TOTALLY NEW.
YEAH, IT'S GOTTA BE A NEW IMPACT TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE A NEW BUILDING ITEM TWO AS WELL AS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVES ALL RELATED TO THE CITY'S GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN.
SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THEM ALL TOGETHER AND THEN WE'LL GO VERY QUICKLY THROUGH, UH, UH, THE ITEMS THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD NEWS FOR YOU.
UH, OUR SELF-INSURED HEALTHCARE PLAN HAS DONE WELL OVER THIS LAST YEAR, AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2023 HAVE BORNE THE FRUIT THAT WE EXPECTED.
AND SO, RECALL THAT AS A PART OF THE PLAN, YOU'VE GOT REALLY SOME MAJOR COMPONENTS.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR THIRD PARTY ADMIN, YOU'VE GOT YOUR PROVIDER NETWORK, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR STOP-LOSS COVERAGE, WHICH CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO SPECIFIC STOP-LOSS, AGGREGATE STOP-LOSS.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING CALLED AGGREGATING SPECIFIC STOP-LOSS.
AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THOSE, UM, STOP LOSS COVERAGE LEVELS.
BACK IN 2022, WHEN WE CAME TO YOU FOR SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, WE HAD HAD, UH, EXPECTATION WE'D HAD A, A, A POOR YEAR AND AN EXPECTATION OF POTENTIALLY ANOTHER POOR YEAR BECAUSE OUR SPECIALTY DRUG SPEND HAD BEEN INCREASING SO MUCH.
AND THAT WAS A CONSIDERABLE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE OVERALL PLAN COSTS.
WE'D HAD A, AN 11.52% INCREASE, UH, FOR THE PLAN IN 2022.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY A 2.2800000000000002% DECREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.
THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR CALENDAR YEAR 23.
AND THEN THAT'S COMPARED TO THE INDUSTRY EXPECTATION OF A 6.5% INCREASE OVERALL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A DECREASE LARGELY BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT YOU MADE TO THE PLAN.
A SLIDE THAT'S GONNA SHOW US SOME NOTABLES HERE.
WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE EXPENDITURES, THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE TO ROUND THESE OR, UH, ADD THESE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER TO GET WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN ROLLED UP INTO THE HEALTH CLAIMS BECAUSE WE BROKE OUT THE, UH, SPECIALTY DRUGS AND WE NOW HAVE A SPECIAL HRA JUST FOR SPECIALTY DRUGS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE 4.3 MILLION IN EXPENDITURES VERSUS 4.7 AND 22.
THIS IS A FISCAL YEAR, SO YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT SIX MONTH WORTH OF THE BENEFIT OF THE CHANGE THAT YOU MADE TO THE CALENDAR OF YOUR PLAN.
UM, IF YOU MAYBE GET TO THIS, BUT HOW, HOW'S IT GOING? WE HAD SOME CONCERNS OF JUST EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION WITH THE NEW PRESCRIPTION PROCESS
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OF GETTING THE PRESCRIPTIONS.HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER.
IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER SOME HICCUPS IN THE BEGINNING, AND YES.
AND, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYBODY, UM, WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CHANGES WE MADE, UH, WE BROKE OUT SPECIALTY DRUGS AND BASICALLY CARVED THEM OUT OF THE CHANGED, UH, PHARMACY BENEFIT MANAGERS TO MED BEND.
AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
BUT, UH, MED BEND, THEY PARTNER WITH ENTEGRA WHO HAS A PROPRIETARY COSTING METHOD CALLED, UM, UM, AGGREGATE COST INDEX, AVERAGE COST COST AVERAGING.
AND THAT METHOD BASICALLY ALLOWS US TO, TO BUY PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS AT COST AND AVOID SOME OF THE MIDDLEMAN FEES THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY PAY FOR FOR PHARMACEUTICALS.
THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, I'M SORRY, HEALTH RX.
UH, THAT COMPANY THEN, BECAUSE SPECIALTY MEDICATIONS ARE NO LONGER COVERED BY OUR PLAN, THEY ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF OUR EMPLOYEES SO THAT, UH, THE MANUFACTURERS HAVE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE DISCOUNTS AND REBATES, UH, TO WHERE THEY WILL COMPLETELY OFFSET THE COST OF THE EMPLOYEE, OR IF NOT, THAT'S WHY WE DEVELOPED THIS HRA AND THE HRA WILL PICK UP THE TOTALITY OF THOSE COSTS.
WHEN CHERYL MORGAN CAME TO US WITH THAT PROPOSAL LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE PROJECTED POTENTIALLY A $600,000 SAVINGS.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS ABOUT A $538,000 SAVINGS PROJECTED AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THOSE CHANGES ASK QUESTION, YES MA'AM, WE LOVE THE SAVINGS, BUT WE WERE CONCERNED THAT, UH, THE ADVOCACY ON TOP ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYEES AND, AND, UM, BEING ABLE TO GET THESE DISCOUNTS AND THESE COUPONS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A LOT OF RED TAPE.
HOW'S THAT WORK OUT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER CAMIL MCMILLAN WAS ASKING, IS THAT, UM, YEAH.
IS IT WORKING? IT'S WORKING MUCH BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A FEW BUMPS IN THE ROAD TO BEGIN WITH, AND WE HONESTLY, WE EXPECTED THAT.
I, I'M A, I'M AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME BUMPS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT APRIL AND HER TEAM WORKED REALLY HARD AND IT HAS BEEN SMOOTH SAILING FOR THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, SO IT'S NICE TO HEAR A REAL, YEAH, IT WAS REAL GOOD TESTIMONIAL FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S DOING IT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
AND SO THAT HAS SHOWN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SOME OF THE BEST NEWS OF THE DAY RIGHT HERE IS $530,000 IN SAVINGS ON SPECIALTY COSTS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A CALENDAR YEAR NUMBER.
I WAS SHOWING YOU FISCAL YEAR NUMBERS EARLIER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT TO OUR PLAN WITH, UH, WITH BLUE CROSS, OUR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR.
PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT, AND NORMALLY THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WOULD DO IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO WITH A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT AND RE-UP WITH, UH, BLUE CROSS.
UH, THE REASON FOR ONE YEAR IS BECAUSE WE THINK THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS, ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR CHANGES TO OUR PLAN, WHICH MAY BE BENEFICIAL.
SO WE DON'T WANNA BE LOCKED INTO A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT.
SO THE COST WOULD GO UP, UH, FROM 51 81 TO 53, UH, 15, AND THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE A PER EMPLOYEE PER MONTH CHARGE FOR A TOTAL PROJECTED ANNUAL COST BASED ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE OF A HUNDRED NINETY SEVEN SEVEN EIGHTEEN.
WHEN IT COMES TO STOP-LOSS, WE HAD SEVEN COMPANIES RESPOND TO OUR, UM, COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION AND BLUE RE, NORTH RIVER, OPTUM, SYMETRA, UNUM, AND VISTA, IN ADDITION TO SUN LIFE, WHO'S OUR CURRENT CARRIER.
THEY ALL RESPONDED, UH, SUN LIFE HAD A GREATER THAN 24% INCREASE.
SO THAT KIND OF, UH, TOOK THEM OUT OF RUNNING.
UM, THANKFULLY NORTH RIVER CAME IN WITH A 2.5% INCREASE OVER OUR CURRENT PLAN, AND THEY DID NOT PROPOSE ANY NEW LASERS.
SO THAT'S A SPECIFIC DEDUCTIBLE THAT WOULD APPLY TO AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE WHO THEY THINK IS GONNA HAVE A LARGER CLAIM IN THE COMING YEAR.
NO NEW LASERS, NO CHANGES IN THE ATTACHMENT POINT OR, UH, THE SPECIFIC DEDUCTIBLE.
UM, 85,100 $50,000 ARE OUR TWO LEVELS THAT WE LOOK AT, AND THEY WERE BOTH PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME.
SO $85,000 IS THE INDIVIDUAL AFTER YOU GET OVER $85,000, ANY COMBINATION OF EMPLOYEES THAT GO OVER THAT AMOUNT, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEXT $150,000.
BUT WE WILL RECEIVE SAVINGS, UH, THAT WILL EQUAL THAT AMOUNT.
SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE BREAK EVEN BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD COME OUT BETTER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THE CHANGES, UM, OR THE, THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE NEED FOR YOU TO DO IS, IS NUMBER ONE, TO ACCEPT A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD FOR OUR SERVICES IN 2024.
RENEW THE AGREEMENT WITH MED BEN AS OUR PHARMACY BENEFITS MANAGER.
WE WILL HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION OR THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE HEALTH PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024, THE
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WELLNESS PROGRAM.WE WOULD CONTINUE TO, TO HAVE THE WELLNESS PROGRAM FOCUS ON CONTROLLING MEDICAL CLAIMS EXPENSES THROUGH PREVENTION, EARLY DETECTION OF DISEASE.
AND THEN ONE CHANGE THAT COMMISSIONERS, I THINK YOU HAVE BROUGHT TO OUR CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, WAS WOULD IT HELP TO EXTEND PREMISES NEAR SITE CLINIC BENEFITS TO OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES? AND WE WENT OUT AND ENGAGED PREMISE ON THAT.
THE COST OF IT WOULD BE 13,125 BASED ON 35 QUALIFYING EMPLOYEES.
SO ANYBODY OVER 65 IS NOT GONNA, NOT GONNA QUALIFY, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY GIVE THEM ACCESS TO THE CLINIC AND NOT ANY OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE HEALTHCARE PLAN.
AND SO ITEM NUMBER SIX WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO EXTEND THAT TO OUR QUALIFYING PART-TIME EMPLOYEES FOR THAT AMOUNT.
THAT IN A NUTSHELL AS THE CHANGES TO OUR PLAN.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, YOU, ME, A NUTSHELL YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATIONAL PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES WE MADE, THE RESULTS WE'RE SEEING.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE WELLNESS PROGRAM AND A LOT OF THOSE WELLNESS PROGRAMS KIND OF GAMIFY THE, THE WHOLE PROCESS IN TERMS OF TRACKING GOOD HABITS AND WHATNOT.
WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD PARTICIPATION IN THAT AND ARE PRETTY, ARE PEOPLE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE, UH, THE WELLNESS PROGRAM AND HOW IT WORKS? WE DO, AND, AND WE HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED CONSULTATION WITH, UH, THE FOLKS AT PREMISE, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE HRA, THEY MAY HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO JUST TO FULFILL, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY'RE PART OF THE BARGAIN, IF YOU WILL, WORKING ON CERTAIN THINGS.
SO WE DO HAVE GOOD PARTICIPATION.
I THINK IT'S BEEN FAIRLY LEVEL, UM, OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THE TRANSITION FROM FROM CARE HERE TO PREMISE HAD ANY IMPACT ON THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY YES, WE, WE DO HAVE DECENT PARTICIPATION.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR AGREEMENT WITH MED BEND.
THAT'S OUR PHARMACY BENEFITS MANAGER TO AGAIN BE OUR PBM FOR 24.
AND THEN VISION INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 24.
THANKFULLY THERE WERE, UH, NO PROPOSED INCREASES FROM BLUE CROSS, AND SO WE WOULD SIMPLY RE-UP THE BLUE CROSS FOR OUR VISION COVERAGE YOU DONE FOR A YEAR? UM, YES.
NEXT ITEM IS BULK PURCHASE OF ROCK SALT, UH, OFF OF A STATEWIDE CONTRACT.
UM, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR, THIS TIME OF YEAR, GETTING READY FOR HOW MUCH SALT WE MAY NEED FOR THIS WINTER STORM SEASON.
AND, UH, TODD HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE PURCHASE UP TO 480 TIMES FROM MORTON SALT OFF OF A STATEWIDE CONTRACT AT PRICE OF 102 20 PER TON, WHICH IS UNCHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
IT DOESN'T OBLIGATE US TO ACTUALLY ACQUIRE ANY, BUT IF WE DO NEED IT, WE CAN GET UP TO 480 TIMES TIME.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A PURCHASE OF TWO VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER THE STATEWIDE CONTRACT.
UH, RECALL COMMISSIONERS THAT IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION, WE OFTEN BUY VEHICLES THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE SEE ON THE ROAD.
AND WE TRY AND BUY VARYING MODELS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT EASILY IDENTIFIED AS ACID VEHICLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING A PROPOSED 2024 NISSAN MURANO ALL WHEEL DRIVE AT 38,976 AND A 2024 NISSAN FRONTIER CREW CAB FOUR BY FOUR 41,000 9 0 1 TOTAL IS 80,877.
AND THIS WILL BE FROM ALLEN J AUTOMOTIVE.
AND THIS, OF COURSE, IS FUNDED BY THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET 'EM
THE NISSANS ARE A LOT EASIER TO GET THEM TO WORK TRUCKS.
SO NEXT ITEM, SPEAKING OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET VEHICLES, UH, WATER SERVICES HAS STRUGGLED TO IDENTIFY, UM, SERVICE BODY TRUCKS, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FOUND A COUPLE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THE DEALERSHIP TO PUT A HOLD ON THEM UNTIL AFTER YOUR MEETING.
AND SO THEY HAVE, UH, IDENTIFIED A 2023 MODEL CHEVY 2,500 SILVERADO WITH A SERVICE BODY.
UM, AND THEN THE IDENTICAL 2024 MODEL SERVICE BODY TRUCK.
UM, THE COSTS ARE 62, 7 45 AND 65, 7 45 RESPECTIVELY FOR A TOTAL OF 1 28 4 90.
AND THIS IS THROUGH FREELAND CHEVROLET.
UM, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE SELECTION, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GO GRAB THOSE TRUCKS WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T BUY 'EM OFF OF A STATEWIDE CONTRACT.
ACTUALLY THE WINDOW'S NOT OPEN RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE NO COMMITMENT ON WHEN THE,
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WHEN THE WINDOW WILL OPEN.AND EVEN IF WE DID WAIT FOR IT TO OPEN AS WE EXPERIENCED LAST YEAR, WE THEN HAVE VEHICLES GET CANCELED ON US AFTER WE MAKE THE ORDER.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, WE PROCEED AS CHRIS RECOMMENDS.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A SCHEDULE OF YOUR MEETINGS FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024, INCLUDING THESE BRIEFINGS AND YOUR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW OUTLIERS THAT HOLLY IS ALWAYS KIND ENOUGH TO BOLD ON THIS SCHEDULE FOR YOU COMMISSION MEETINGS, OF COURSE, YOUR FIRST ONE WOULD BE TUESDAY, JANUARY 9TH.
THIS IS AN AVOIDANCE OF THE NCAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP ON MONDAY NIGHT.
NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE 28TH, UH, TUESDAY, AVOIDING MEMORIAL DAY ON THAT MONDAY.
AND THEN AS ALWAYS, IF THERE IS A SECOND MEETING NEEDED, WE LIST WHAT THAT DATE WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE 16TH, UH, SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE A BRIEFING FOR THAT MEETING, UH, IF WE HAD TO DO THAT.
AND THEN YOUR INFORMATIONAL MEETING ON, UH, JULY 4TH WOULD BE SHIFTED TO WEDNESDAY, JULY 3RD.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS FOR 2025.
UM, I UNDERSTAND NEEDING TO SHIFT DATES BASED ON HOLIDAYS, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER NOT SHIFTING DATES BASED ON FOOTBALL GAMES FOR THE YEAR 2025.
I COULDN'T HEAR, SHE SAID SHE WAS RECOMMENDING FOR 2025, WE DON'T SHIFT BECAUSE OF THE NCAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP THAT WE GO AHEAD AND MEET THAT NIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MATTER FOR YOU COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, WELL, THE REASON WE DID IT, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T WANT TO COME.
THE PEOPLE PRESENTING ITEMS DIDN'T WANT TO COME, AND THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T WANT TO COME.
I MEAN, WE ALL WANTED TO SEE THE GAME.
THERE IS AN OFF CHANCE ONCE IN A WHILE THAT A TENNESSEE FOOTBALL TEAM MIGHT INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LOOK LIKELY THIS YEAR.
BUT, UH, THAT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM WITH, WE NEVER GOT ANY COMPLAINTS.
SO I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO, TO CHANGE THAT.
TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC, IS THERE A PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH, WITH THE PROPOSAL OR THE SUGGESTED CHANGE? ALLISON? OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, I'M SORRY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR LOGIC.
IS THERE A PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE SUGGESTING THE CHANGE TO THE TRADITION? WELL, TO ME, THE, UM, COMMITMENT OF CITY GOVERNMENT IS ONE TO THE RESIDENTS AND THEY EXPECT FOR IT TO HAPPEN WHEN WE SAID IT WOULD HAPPEN.
AND TO MOVE FOR A FOOTBALL GAME DOESN'T SEEM, EVEN THOUGH I'M A HUGE FOOTBALL FAN, DOESN'T SEEM A WORTHY TASK.
I CAN UNDERSTAND MOVING IT FOR A FEDERAL HOLIDAY OR THINGS LIKE, LIKE THAT ON PEOPLE'S CALENDARS FOR TRAVEL.
BUT IN TERMS OF A FOOTBALL GAME, IT DOESN'T SEEM IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO ME TO STOP THE PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT AS IT NORMALLY RUNS.
SO, SO THE REASON'S MAINLY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I SUPPOSE IT'S BOTH PERSONAL PREFERENCE ON EACH SIDE.
I JUST WANTED TO LIFT IT ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS.
WELL, WE'RE NOT DECIDING THAT RIGHT NOW FOR NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? OR DO WE NO, YOU'RE NOT, UM, AHEAD OF TIME.
WE'LL PERHAPS BRING IT UP IN A BRIEFING AND ASK WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS SO THAT HOLLY WILL KNOW HOW TO PREPARE THE SCHEDULE.
I JUST, I THINK WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS MOVED IT.
I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK IT IS GOING TO MOVE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE IN DEPTH.
WELL, IT'S EITHER AWAY IS WORKING THE 24 SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, AND SHE SUGGESTED A CHANGE FROM 25.
SO YOU'RE IN THE, WE'LL BRING IT UP AT A BRIEFING AHEAD OF TIME, MR. JUST HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AS YOU'VE GOT IT SCHEDULED AND WE CAN VOTE MONDAY ON.
WELL, SHE'S SAID FOR 25, SHE, SHE, SHE'S OKAY WITH US DOING WHAT WE'VE GOT SCHEDULED FOR 24.
SHE MEANS WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE NEXT ONE FOR 25.
LET ME JUST GO AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN VOTE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THIS MORNING.
AND YOUR NEXT ITEM IS YOUR SCHEDULE FOR BUDGET ADOPTION AND CIP ADOPTION FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED DATES CULMINATING IN ADOPTION AND FINAL READINGS ON JUNE 24TH.
THESE DATES ARE LARGELY WITHIN TWO DAYS, JUST THE WAY THE CALENDAR WORKED OUT THIS YEAR OF WHAT THEY WERE IN 23.
UH, THERE ANY THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE DATES, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
BUT THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 ON YOUR AGENDA.
DID PRETTY GOOD TIME-WISE AGENDA.
AND THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS OUR REPORT FROM OUR TENNIS FACILITY
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AD HOC COMMITTEE.I'M ACTUALLY GONNA TURN THE CLICKER OVER TO GARY.
TURN THIS OVER TO YOU, GARY, AND THIS INFORMATION.
I WANTED TO START OFF BY, UH, SAYING THANK YOU AND, UH, COMMISSION MEETING.
AND IT WAS THE FIRST CITY COMMISSION MEETING I HAD PRESENT, HAD BEEN TO PRESENT.
UH, YOU START OFF YOUR MEETINGS WITH PRAYER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO THE FIRST THANKS I WANT TO GIVE IS TO GOD FOR ALLOWING US TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, TO BE ABLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF A NEW FACILITY, POSSIBLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS THANK YOU CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMITTEE TO BE FORMED AND TO WORK DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET SOME INFORMATION TO YOU AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE A CONSIDERATION.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S REALLY NEAT.
I WANNA THANK THE CITY STAFF FOR ENGAGING IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND BEING PATIENT WITH US,
AND WE HOPE THEY LEARN SOME THINGS TOO.
UM, SOME OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT ANDY VIALS HERE, AND, UH, REBECCA IS HERE.
AND WHO ELSE IS HERE FROM THE COMMITTEE? I CAN'T, I KNOW SHY AND JOHN PE ARE NOT BEING
AND I WANT THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER SPEARS FOR YOUR HELP AND MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP COMMITTEE.
SO THE, UH, OBJECTIVE WAS TO, UH, GET INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, WE STARTED OUR FIRST MEETING AND TALKED ABOUT THIS AT SEVERAL OTHER MEETINGS, AND THAT IS THAT NONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD ANY IDEA WHAT THE BEST THING DID.
WE HAD NO BIAS, WE HAD NO THOUGHTS OF WE SHOULD DO THIS, WE SHOULD DO THIS, WE SHOULD DO THIS.
WE ENGAGED AND ENTERED THIS DISCUSSION TO FLUSH OUT INFORMATION WITH THE GOAL BEING TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION OR AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
AND WE HOPE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT GOAL.
WE HAD SOME ROBUST DISCUSSIONS, VERY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A HEALTHY PROCESS.
AND, UH, WE LOOKED OBJECTIVELY AT ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT THE COMMITTEE, AND IF YOU'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SOME OF THEM, UH, WHEN I JOINED, UM, WHEN I WAS ASKED TO JOIN HOSPITAL CORPORATION OF AMERICA MANY YEARS AGO, AND I WENT THROUGH EXECUTIVE TRAINING AND I SPENT THREE DAYS WITH DR.
TOMMY FOR HIS SENIOR AND EVERY MEETING HE STARTED WITH US.
AND EVERY MEETING HE ENDED WITH US, HE SAID ONE THING THAT MADE AN IMPRESSION ON ME.
HE SAID, IF YOU SURROUND YOURSELF WITH SMART AND GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR COMMITTEE.
WE'VE HAD REALLY SMART PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TENNIS, I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE DEMAND FOR, UH, RACKET SPORTS AND BRENTWOOD HIGH.
I WAS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT WE WERE IN THE TOP 10, UH, ZIP CODES FOR TENNIS PLAYERS ACCORDING TO THE USTA.
UH, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
UH, WE KNOW WE'RE LOSING 23 COURTS WHEN THE Y EVENTUALLY CLOSES.
AND WE'VE GOT YOU THE WAITING LIST AT EVERY FACILITY, UH, THAT WE LOOK AT THE PICKLEBALL DEMAND GROWING, THE, UM, SCHOOLS ARE NOW ENGAGED IN THE PICKLEBALL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INTRIGUED ME ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL THAT I LEARNED, UM, VERY EARLY ON IS, UH, I STARTED WATCHING SOME OF THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS ON TV AND PAYING ATTENTION TO IT I HAVEN'T PLAYED YET, UM, IS IN THE SOUTHEASTERN CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR, UH, TWO OF THE TOP FIVE WINNERS WAS ONE, AN 85 YEAR OLD LADY, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A 16 YEAR OLD GIRL, RIGHT? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG AGE DIFFERENCE
SO IT JUST SHOWS, UH, IT'S ALRIGHT.
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SO WE DID PUT A RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT.UH, THE ESTIMATED COST, UH, DOES INCLUDE A 10% CONTINGENCY.
UH, WE DEVELOPED A FEE STRUCTURE BASED ON CONSERVATIVE FEE STRUCTURE THAT'S COMPARABLE AND ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES THAT ARE OPERATING.
AND IT WAVES COUNTY, IT'S, UH, A PROFITABLE ENTERPRISE.
WE TALKED TO THE CITY STAFF ABOUT, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE, THEY WOULD MAKE IT IF WE DID THIS IN ENTERPRISE, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE REPORTED SEPARATELY FROM ALL OTHER CITY, CITY ACTIVITIES.
SO YOU, THE RESIDENTS, ALL OF US CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW THE PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT IS OCCURRING.
I THINK THE DEMAND FOR THE YOUTH, UH, WAS ALSO SURPRISING TO US THAT THE YOUTH ARE STILL ON A WAITING LIST IN ALL THE FACILITIES.
AND, UH, WE ALSO FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS A SELF-FUNDED PROJECT, WHICH I, UH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION HAS NOT HAD A LOT OF SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REAL ADVANTAGE.
I'M GONNA ASK, UH, ANDY VEAL TO, UH, TALK A MINUTE ABOUT THE, UH, PROGRAMMING AND THE FACILITY.
AND, UH, UH, AS AN INTRODUCTION TO ANDY, I WANNA SAY THAT I WAS TALKING TO SEVERAL OF YOU IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND SOME CLARITY CAME TO ME ON REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND, UH, AND IT WAS SHARED WITH ME IN A CONVERSATION RECENTLY.
SO, UH, I WANNA SHARE IT WITH YOU.
SO BRENTWOOD, IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNITY.
IF YOU LIVE IN BRENTWOOD, YOU FEEL IT.
IF YOU OR OUTSIDE OF BRENTWOOD, YOU KNOW IT.
BUT THE REASON BRENTWOOD IS AN EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNITY IS BECAUSE OF ITS PEOPLE.
THE REASON OUR SCHOOLS ARE EXCEL AND, AND, AND ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE.
THE REASON OUR CITY GOVERNMENT IS GOOD IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE OF BRENTWOOD.
THE REASON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE SO EXCELLENT IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE OF BRENTWOOD.
THE REASON OUR PARKS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, EVEN SPECIFICALLY FROM SOME OF THE FAMILIES THAT HAVE ENGAGED WITH THE CITY TO HELP MAKE THOSE PARKS LARGER AND BIGGER IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE OF BRENTWOOD.
SO THIS FACILITY THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ENTIRELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE OF BRENTWOOD.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK ANDY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PROGRAMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IS FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT A COUNTY OR COMMUNITY RACKET FACILITY OPERATES UNDER, IF YOU MANAGE IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS IS THE WAY BRENTWOOD MANAGES THINGS, IS YOU CAN HAVE USER-FRIENDLY, MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FEATURES FOR THE USERS, FOR THE YOUTH, FOR THE TENNIS PLAYERS.
AND SO ANDY'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER DISCUSSION WE GOT INTO THAT I'M GOING TO ASK ANDY TO SPEAK ABOUT IS THE FACILITY CONSTRUCTION, THE THREE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTIONS WE CONSIDERED.
UM, AND, AND WE DID GO WITH THE FABRIC TENSION AND I'LL LET ANDY TALK MORE ABOUT THAT TOO.
FOR, UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US COME IN HERE AND PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU.
UH, I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT AND, UH, GARY HAS SPEARHEADED A, A VERY, UH, STRONG COMMITTEE TO, TO, UM, GET THIS INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS.
SO THE TENNIS PROGRAMMING AND THE
UM, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE IT, UH, A GREAT TENNIS FACILITY.
OKAY? THE PROGRAMMING IS, IS WHAT MAKES, IT, GIVES IT THE HEART OF THE FACILITY.
UM, THE TENNIS CLUB THAT I WAS AT, I LITERALLY CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER HOW MANY
I REMEMBER THE COACH, MARTY BLAIR.
I REMEMBER A LOT OF THE TIMES THAT WE WOULD DO THINGS AT THE CLUB, OKAY? AND SO THAT WAS MY CHILDHOOD.
IT WAS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH FRIENDS, TO GROW MY TENNIS LOVE AND TO
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ALLOW ME TO, TO HAVE A CHILDHOOD SAFE AND, AND HEALTHY CHILDHOOD.SO THE PROGRAMMING IS, IS IS ACTUALLY A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY, OKAY? IT'S A WIN BECAUSE THE FACILITY WILL MAKE MORE MONEY WITH PROGRAMMING AND THE CLIENTELE WILL GET A BETTER PRODUCT FROM THE PROGRAM.
SO WE LOOK AT, LET'S SAY, UM, THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
WE CAN START IN THE MIDDLE HERE WITH RESERVATIONS.
SO SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO PLAY TENNIS, THEY WOULD PAY A, A, A FEE TO PAY.
TENNIS WOULD BE $30, AND THEY WOULD HAVE AN INDOOR CALL FOR AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR KIND OF OUR, OUR BOTTOM USE HERE.
UM, YOU WOULD HAVE LESSONS ALSO WHERE THEY COME IN, THEY WOULD PAY THE PRO, THE PRO WOULD PAY THE $30 LESSON FEE AND SO ON.
BUT THEN WE GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, THE CONTRACT TIME, AFTER A WHILE, YOU WOULD START TO SAY, HEY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PLAY EVERY WEEK WITH MY FRIENDS.
OKAY? AND SO AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD BLOCK OUT, YOU KNOW, A 20 WEEK, UM, SESSION WHERE THE COURT WOULD BE BOOKED MAYBE FROM MON ON MONDAYS FROM NINE TO 10 30.
AND AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THAT CONVENIENCE.
AND SO NOW THE REVENUE FOR THE FACILITY WOULD GO UP AND YOU WOULD MAKE MAYBE $35.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PLAY IN A LEAGUE, MEET DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UM, EXPAND THEIR FRIENDSHIPS, PLAY ON A, A LEVEL OF, OF PLAY THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THEM.
AND SO WE DO LEADS, THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE FACILITY AND, AND PLAY TENNIS WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW PEOPLE.
AND AGAIN, THE, THE WIN-WIN ON THAT IS, IS THAT THE, THE LEADS HE CHARGE AS AREN AND FEE.
SO FOR WILLIAMSON COUNTY, I WAS LOOKING ON THEIR WEBSITE AND THEY HAD A 10, 10 WEEK LEAVE.
YOU PAY $200 AND SO THAT'S $20 EACH.
TAKE OUT A CAN OF TENNIS BALL FOR $5.
SO THEY'RE MAKING $75 FOR THAT HOUR AND A HALF.
SO NOW THE FACILITY IS MAKING $50 AN HOUR AND THE RESIDENTS ARE HAVING A LEAGUE, WHICH IS ORGANIZED AND IT'S A LOT OF FUN.
OKAY? YOU THEN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TOURNAMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE MANY TOURNAMENTS AT MY CLUB.
SO YOU MAKE $6,000, YOU TAKE OUT THE EXPENSES FOR TROPHIES AND TENNIS SPORTS, AND BY THE TIME YOU ADD THAT ALL UP, THE FACILITY FEE IS MAKING ABOUT $50 AN HOUR.
OKAY? KIDS ARE EXCITED, THEY'RE PLAYING IN A TOURNAMENT.
THE FACILITY DOES BETTER, THERE'S MORE REVENUE FOR THE FACILITY.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF WIN-WIN SITUATIONS.
JUNIOR PROGRAMS, THIS IS AGAIN, KIDS PLAY.
THEY COME OUT, YOU HAVE 4, 5, 6 KIDS ON COURT.
YOU THEN TAKE OUT THE COST OF, OF THE PRO.
AND AGAIN, THE FACILITY NOW IS MAKING PERHAPS 80, $90 AN HOUR PER COURT.
OKAY? SO WHEN YOU AVERAGE ALL THIS OUT, THE LEAST OF THE UH, UH, BEST OF THESE OPTIONS IS THE RESERVATION.
IT'S JUST TWO PEOPLE COMING IN AND BLANK OUT.
THE BEST IS THE MENTS, THE LEADS, CONTRACT TIMES, THINGS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
SO THE PROGRAMMING IS, IS WHAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS FACILITY ONE VERY SUCCESSFUL FINANCIALLY, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE SUCH BENEFIT FOR THE TENNIS COMMUNITY.
OKAY? AND FOR THE CITY OF REDWOOD TO HAVE A VERY NICE TENNIS FACILITY THAT IS FULLY RUN AND, AND RUN WELL IS, IS A REAL ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
PICKLEBALL NOT AN EXPERT ON PICKLEBALL.
I SAW ON, ON PAGE 19 WE'RE SHOWING ON THE CONTRACT TIME IN LEAGUES IT, IT ACCOUNTS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME IF YOU HAD UP THE PERCENTAGES.
BUT, UM, HOW DOES OPEN PLAY WORK? OPEN PLAY, THAT IS NOT REALLY A TERM THAT, UH, IS USED IN TENNIS.
OPEN PLAY IS WHERE YOU WOULD MAKE A RESERVATION.
SO A RESERVATION AND OPEN PLAY ARE THE SAME THING.
IN TENNIS, YOU, THERE WOULD NOT BE FREE INDOOR COURT TIME.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO JUST OPEN PLAY, YOU AND YOUR FRIEND WANTED TO JUST GO PLAY, YOU WOULD MAKE A RESERVATION AND THE RESERVATION FEE WOULD BE $30 AN HOUR.
THE PICKLEBALL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE AS YOU SEE ON THIS.
YOU DON'T SEE THE TENNIS WHERE IT HAS OPEN PLAY.
AND SO THE OPEN PLAY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPEN PLAY WITH PICKLEBALL IS THEY'LL SET ASIDE COURTS.
OKAY? SO SET ASIDE THREE COURTS, FOUR COURTS, AND THEN IT'LL BE OPEN.
SO ANYBODY CAN COME PLAY AND THEY PAY A MONTHLY FEE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS $30.
OKAY? AND THEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME PLAY IN THESE OPEN PLAY SESSIONS, WHICH THEY'LL DO DAILY.
SO THE PICKLEBALL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT MODEL THAN THIS HOUSE.
UH, AS FOR THE REST OF THE PICKLEBALL CLINICS IS OBVIOUSLY LESSONS, UH, GROUP LESSONS, RESERVATIONS.
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HAD SOME FRIENDS IN TOWN, YOU SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO GO PLAY PICKLEBALL.WE DON'T WANT TO DO OPEN PLAY AND, AND MIX IN WITH EVERYONE ELSE, THEN, THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A RESERVATION LEAGUES.
THE LEAGUES ARE GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, A WHOLE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PLAY.
SO YOU HAVE A BEGINNER PICKLEBALL PLAYER PLAYING WITH A VERY GOOD PICKLEBALL PLAYER IS NOT A LOT OF FUN FOR EITHER.
AND SO A LEAGUE YOU WOULD ORGANIZE, UH, JUST LIKE A TENNIS LEAGUE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE IT RATED 3, 5, 3 OH.
UM, SO THAT THE, THE MATCHES ARE LEVEL, UM, PREMIUM PLAY SESSIONS.
MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, ON THAT IS THAT IS IS AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S MORE LEVEL BASED AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL TO PLAY.
UM, PRIVATE LESSONS, SELF-EXPLANATORY TOURNAMENTS, THE SAME AS TENNIS AND PRIVATE EVENTS WOULD BE.
UM, AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A LOT OF COMPANIES AND CORPORATIONS WOULD LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A PICKLEBALL EVENT FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES OR THEIR RESPONSES.
IS, IS THIS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DO YOU PREFER THAT WE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE ALL FREE? ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE, HUH? I SAID I CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE.
I JUST SOME CLAR 'CAUSE I DON'T PLAY TENNIS OR PICKLEBALL.
BUT, UH, IF I COULD JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
I ONLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS I DO WANT TO SAY UP FRONT, BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE HOURS Y'ALL PUT IN BECAUSE, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE AGREE ON AND DISAGREE, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE AND I DO APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT TO HELP YOU, UH, RESPOND TO WHAT I HAVE.
IT'S JUST SIMPLE CLARIFICATIONS.
IT SAID THERE'S, UH, 300 FROM THE, UH, COUNTY PROGRAM, 200 FROM MARYLAND FARMS AND 200 FROM WILDWOOD.
AND THAT'S 700 PEOPLE RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE SOME OVERLAP? BECAUSE WE COULD BE TALKING 300 OR 700.
WAS I I KNOW WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE AND FINDING A PLACE TO SWIM WAS DIFFICULT, WE WERE ON MULTIPLE WAITING LISTS.
SO DO YOU FIND THAT THERE'S OVERLAP? I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY YES.
SO, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, MY NUMBER AT MY CLUB, WE HAVE 850 ON THE WAIT LIST.
PARDON ME? WE HAVE 850 ON THE WAIT LIST.
WE HAVE 700 MEMBERS AND 850 ON THE WAIT LIST.
NOW ARE THEY ON WAIT LIST ELSEWHERE? YES.
I WOULD IMAGINE THEY ARE, BUT THE, THE NUMBERS ARE VERY HIGH.
AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT MORE ON THE WAIT LIST THAN YOU HAVE
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS JUST JUNIOR PLAYERS IS LAST FEBRUARY AS PART OF THE TWO THINGS I WOULDN'T, AND, UH, ASK EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES, GIVE ME YOUR NEW WAITING LIST NUMBERS.
AND THEY GAVE ME THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THEY ALSO SAID TWO OF 'EM THAT THEY HAD STOPPED THE WAITING LIST.
WE'RE NOT EVEN TAKING WAITING LIST ANYMORE.
KNEW THE NUMBER WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS REPRESENTED.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REPRESENT THE CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION THAT, THAT'S JUST YOUTH THOUGH, GARY, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST YOUTH.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS YOUTH NUMBERS.
SO RIGHT NOW FOR US, WE'RE AT ABOUT 250 KIDS THAT WANT TO GET INTO OUR PROGRAM THAT ARE ON THE WAIT LIST, BUT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL WAIT LIST OF ABOUT 850.
YOU INCLUDED ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, THE LOTTERY, UH, THAT WAS INTERESTING, THE NUMBERS, YES.
BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHAT, IF THIS WERE BUILT, WHAT SYSTEM IS GONNA BE USED HERE TO IMPROVE THAT? OR HOW WOULD IT WORK? BECAUSE YOU DON'T PROJECT THAT, YOU JUST GIVE US HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
WELL THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING A LOTTERY AND I'M, I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU TO SPEAK UP AND I REALLY HAVE TROUBLE HEARING.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DON'T MIND ADMITTING I CAN'T HEAR, BUT I NEED TO HEAR
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING A LOTTERY.
EACH CLUB WILL DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT I DO AT MY CLUB IS I ALLOW THE PEOPLE THAT HAD THE YEAR, THE, THE CONTRACT, THE YEAR BEFORE I GIVE THEM FIRST OPTION, WILLIAMS AND REC CENTER WILL HAVE A COMPLETE OPEN, SO THEY START AGAIN EVERY YEAR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT.
YOU CAN DO LOTTERY, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTRACT TIME FOR 10 WEEKS.
YOU COULD DO SEASONAL, YOU COULD DO IT.
THERE'S A, A VARIETY OF WAYS OF DOING IT.
SO YES, OUR CONTRACT TIME WAS PRETTY FULL.
OBVIOUSLY WILLIAMSON ENA WAS EXTREMELY FULL WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WAITING.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF WE BUILT THIS FACILITY, ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T GET CONTRACT TIME WOULD BUY CONTRACT TIME HERE.
IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF CONTRACT TIME WE WOULD DO AT THIS FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD AND, AND, UH, THE PRO THAT WAS RUNNING THE FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S GREAT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A SET TIME AND THEY CAN PLAY.
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THAT A LOT OF TIMES ON A CONTRACT, WE HAVE FOUR PLAYING, BUT WE HAVE EIGHT OR 10 PEOPLE ON THE CONTRACT.SO IT REALLY SATIS SATISFIES A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BUT I ALSO DON'T FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COURTS CONTRACTED OUT.
WE'LL LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE DEMAND IS FOR A CONTRACT TYPE.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE DEMAND FOR LESSONS ARE, AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND THE PRO IN CHARGE, WE'LL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I NOTICED THAT YOU DID, UH, A LOT.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TIME IS TO, TO EACH DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENT, UH, LESSONS TO TOURNAMENTS, UM, LEAGUES, SO FORTH.
WHEN I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, COURT TIME WHEN YOU HAVE, I AGREE THAT YOU NEED, WE, REGARDLESS OF WHO RUNS THE PROGRAM, YOU NEED A PROB OFFER LESSONS.
BUT HOW MANY COURTS AND HOW MUCH OF THE DAY IS USED TO TAKING UP THE COURT FOR LESSONS? AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE DETERMINED BY, BY THE SORT OF FACILITY THAT THIS BECOMES, UH, MY FACILITY, I HAVE A LOT OF PROS AND SO WE TEACH A LOT OF LESSONS AT A PUBLIC FACILITY OR A CITY OWNED FACILITY.
I'M SURE WE WOULD DO A LOT LESS LESSONS AND WE DO A LOT MORE RESERVATIONS, DO MORE CONTRACT TIME, DO MORE LEAGUES SO THAT WE WOULD ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO GET IN AND, AND PLAY.
WE WOULD HAVE A, A, A BIG JUNIOR PROGRAM OFFERING SO THAT WE WOULD ALLOW AND, AND GET ALL THESE KIDS OFF THE WAIT LISTS FROM ALL OF OUR CLUBS AND GET THEM IN AND PLAYING TENNIS.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE PER PERCENTAGES ARE GONNA BE.
WHAT WE DID THAT FOR WAS SO WE COULD START TO WORK ON A FINANCIAL MODEL BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO AN OPEN COURT OR WHEN WE DO A RESERVATION, IT'S $30.
WHEN YOU DO THE JUNIOR PROGRAM, YOU'RE MAKING 80 TO 90.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING A CONTRACT TIME, YOU'RE MAKING 35 TO 40.
SO THE PERCENTAGES THERE WERE JUST A, A RANGE AND A PRETTY NICE BALANCED RANGE OF HOW MOST FACILITIES ARE RUN.
BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN TWEAK THAT AGAIN DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, UH, RESIDENTS AND TENNIS PLAYERS WANT THAT, THAT RANGE TO BE ANDY.
UM, I WAS WITH A FRIEND THIS WEEKEND WHO'S FROM INDIANA, AND SHE'S A PICKLEBALL PLAYER, AND SHE WAS EXPLAINING ABOUT OPEN PLAY.
SHE WAS TELLING ME THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE TENNIS MATCH TAKES A LOT LONGER THAN AVERAGE PICKLEBALL MATCH.
AND THE WAY SHE EXPLAINED IT WAS MAYBE THE WAY I GREW UP IN YOUTH, WE PLAYED BASKETBALL AND YOU HAD TWO TEAMS ON THE COURT AND YOU HAD PEOPLE SITTING ON A BENCH.
AND WHEN THAT TEAM LOST, THAT GOES TO THE END OF THE LINE AND THE NEXT TEAM COMES OUT.
AND THAT'S WHAT SHE DID MOSTLY.
SHE AND HER PARTNER JUST WENT AND THEY JUST ROTATED THROUGH FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
BUT SHE SAID A TENNIS MATCH MIGHT STILL BE GOING ON AFTER THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE OPEN PLAY SEVERAL TIMES.
SO OPEN PLAY AND PICKLEBALL KIND OF MOVES FAST.
SO I THINK PICKLEBALL, YOU CAN FINISH A GAME 10, 15 MINUTES AND SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SWITCH COURTS AND, AND EVERYONE LEAVE AND EVERYONE COME BACK IN.
AND SO YES, IT MOVES AROUND A LOT QUICKER AND YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE PLAYING AND UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.
SO MY NEPHEW WAS THE STATE REGIONAL CHAMPION, GET OUTTA HERE IN, IN OREGON FOR PICKLEBALL.
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROGRAMMING.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS BEING ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THIS.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG SELLING POINT FOR THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD TO RUN THIS, UM, IS THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE DEMAND IS, WE CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THINGS.
IF WE FIND THAT THE CONTRACT TIMES ARE HIGH AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESERVATIONS, WE CAN JUST SHIFT MORE INTO CONTRACT TIME.
IF WE HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO PLAY LEAGUES, WE CAN ADD LEAGUE TIME.
WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO RUN THIS AND MAKE IT VERY BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS FRIENDLY.
AND, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE GOAL OF IT.
AND ONE THING THAT KIND OF OCCURRED TO ME, OBVIOUSLY MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW I PLAY AT WILDWOOD AND SO I'M VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE LEAGUE TIME THERE AND THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN I TALKED WITH PEOPLE THAT PLAYED AT MARYLAND FARMS AND WERE DISPLACED WHEN IT CLOSED AND THEY ALL KIND OF HAD TO TRY AND FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO, THEY LOST THEIR SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND SO THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING PEOPLE BACK TOGETHER.
BECAUSE IN, YOU KNOW, IN BRENTWOOD WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, A DOWNTOWN WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BRENTWOOD BALL CLUB COMMUNITY, THERE'S THE BRENTWOOD BLAZE COMMUNITY, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE DO THINGS THROUGH
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THE SPORTS OR THROUGH WHATEVER THEIR ACTIVITIES ARE.AND SO THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A SENSE OF COMMUNITY FOR BOTH TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL, UM, WHERE PEOPLE ARE SEEING EACH OTHER REGULARLY.
THAT'S WHAT A, A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY MISS, UM, WHEN THEY LOST THAT CENTRAL LOCATION OF, OF THE MARYLAND FARMS Y AND PLAYING AS PEOPLE SEE EACH OTHER EVERY WEEK AT THE SAME TIME.
AND HAVING THAT, THAT SOURCE, WELL I THINK EVERYBODY SITTING HERE IS FOR A TENNIS FACILITY.
IT'S JUST BEEN OBVIOUS THAT OUR DIFFERENCES ARE AROUND HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
THOSE THE GENTLEMEN BACK THERE.
ANDY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND YOUR TIME AND YOUR SUPPORT.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR VERY SUCCESSFUL WILDWOOD PROGRAM.
UH, I HEAR NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT.
I'VE BEEN PLAYING TENNIS AROUND 19
UM, ALSO FOR MY FUN PART-TIME JOB, I'M THE COLLEGE TENNIS REFEREE.
I'M THE HEAD COLLEGE TENNIS REFEREE AT DAVID LIPSCOMB UNIVERSITY.
AND THEIR SEASON IS BASICALLY, UM, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH AND APRIL.
WELL, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING A CONTRACT FOR BOYS AND THE GIRLS TEAM, UH, WITH THE TENNIS FACILITY BECAUSE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY
SO, UH, AND THEN WE GET SOME RAIN AND SOME WIND AND THAT SORT OF THING SOMETIMES IN MARCH AND APRIL.
OF COURSE THEY HAVE OTHER EVENTS SOMETIMES IN THE SUMMER, MOSTLY THE FALL, UH, INVITATIONALS WITH OTHER COLLEGE TEAMS AND UH, THEY MIGHT NEED A FACILITY LIKE THIS, UH, THEN, SO THANK YOU.
YEAH, NO, GREAT, GREAT POINT, ANDY.
AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, IF I MAY, I NEGLECTED TO, TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT IN THIS FORMAT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT BY THE WAY.
UM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY TAKE INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS 'CAUSE THIS COMMISSION'S OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, WE POTENTIALLY WILL HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS IT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I FAILED TO MENTION THAT, BUT THANK YOU.
SO ANDY, UM, REAL QUICK, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF GARY, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, FOR, UM, THIS STRUCTURE, I THINK WE'RE GETTING ONTO THAT NEXT.
SO YEAH, THIS, THIS HERE IS A, A SMALLER LIST.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE'VE HAD, UH, BELMONT USED TO RENT MY FACILITY.
THEY'D COME IN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UH, IT WAS A TIME WHERE WE WEREN'T BUSY AND THEY WOULD PRACTICE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
THEY'D GO FROM EIGHT TO 10, UM, IN THE WINTER.
UH, WE HAD MATCHES ON FRIDAYS NIGHTS, WE HAD MATCHES ON SATURDAY NIGHTS.
WE RENTED OUT THE WHOLE FACILITY TO THEM.
IT HELPED THE COMMUNITY, HELPED THE COLLEGES.
SO ABSOLUTELY, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS THAN THIS.
THIS, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, YOUR BASICS.
BUT, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY PROJECTS TOO THAT WE CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S DOWNTIME ON THE COURTS WHERE YOU COULD DO A SENIOR PROGRAM.
WE DID IT WHEN I WAS AT MARYLAND FARMS WHERE WE HAD SENIORS COME IN FOR AN HOUR, PLAY TENNIS, GET FREE INSTRUCTION.
WE HAD SOME COMMUNITY STUFF WITH KIDS.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO HERE ON THE DOWNTIME.
SO, SO THIS IS JUST A, A RENDERING OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER OPTIONS.
TONIGHT AT MY FACILITY, WE'RE HAVING A, A PARENT'S NIGHT OUT, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE HEADS DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PHONE.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT LIMITED TO JUST DOING TENNIS IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS.
CAN I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE BUILDING? YEAH.
THIS IS, UH, THIS FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UM, WITH INPUT FROM THE PLAYERS DOES NOT EXIST IN ANY OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
THAT'S SIGNIFICANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
AND THE, THE, UH, UH, SO, SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WOULD BE UNIQUE FOR THIS, JUST LIKE OTHER UNIQUE THINGS THAT EXIST FOR THE
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN THE COMMITTEE WITH, WITH, UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THEY WERE RATHER INFLEXIBLE ON ON THAT.
THEY SAID, WE'RE GONNA RUN IT THE WAY WE'RE GONNA RUN IT, AND YOU HAVE NO INPUT ON THIS.
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WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A TURNOFF FOR US IN, IN THAT SITUATION.BUT AGAIN, IT'S UM, THE LAST THING, HAVING CONTROL OF ONE LAST THING.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY FACILITY THAT'S RUN BASIC ON THE SAME FEES AS THE OTHER COMMUNITY FACILITIES, BUT IT'S RUN WITH DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT PERCEPTION AND EXPERTISE.
ON THE FACILITY? THE FACILITY.
SO THIS IS, WE HAD A HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UM, BASICALLY THE, JUST THE BUILD OUT COSTS, UH, FINDING A PIECE OF LAND IN BRENTWOOD, WE BUILT, THIS SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO BUILD IT.
AND FINALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE COULD REALLY ACCOMMODATE THIS SORT OF STRUCTURE WAS IN PROFIT PARK.
JUST THE, THE BUILD OUT TO, TO PUT ROAD IN AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUT THE PAINTING WALLS TO MAKE THE LAND POSSIBLE WAS THE FACT IT WAS CLOSE TO $8.
SO WE'RE ALREADY STARTING OUT WITH A PRETTY HEAVY PRICE TAG.
UM, JUST TO GET THE, THE LAND READY.
UM, THERE WERE THREE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WE COULD PUT, UM, ON THERE.
UM, WE HAD JUST A REGULAR BUILDING, UM, WHICH YOU MIGHT GO DOWN TO CENTENNIAL PARK.
SEE WE HAD, UH, A FABRIC TENSION BUILDING THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN TO, UH, HADLEY PARKINSON.
AND THEN THEY HAD, UH, A BUBBLE.
UM, AND SO WE HAD THREE OPTIONS TO LOOK AT.
UH, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND, UM, UH, THE, THE MOST EXPENSIVE, THE BUILDING, WE FIGURED WE WOULD RATHER WE WOULD PASS ON THAT.
THE FABRIC TENSION BUILDING WAS IN THE MIDDLE, UH, IN TERMS OF COST, BUT, BUT VERY NICE PLAYABILITY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE AIR BLOWING IN.
YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE NOISE.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT WE ELIMINATED FAIRLY QUICKLY WAS THE BUBBLE.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT A BUBBLE IS IT'S THE CHEAPEST
YOU'VE GOT BLOWS GOING ALL THE TIME.
YOU'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF EQUIPMENT, YOU'VE GOT GENERATORS GOING, BACKING IT UP.
UH, YOU HAD A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN.
UM, SO FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST, WHICH WAS I THINK ABOUT FOUR, FIVE, $600,000, WE DECIDED THE FABRIC BUILDING WAS A MUCH BETTER OPTION IN TERMS OF PLAYABILITY AND THE WAY IT LOOKED AND, AND, UM, JUST, UM, LESS THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG WITH IT.
UM, THAT'S GOT SIX TENNIS COURTS.
AND WE ALSO ON THE LAND, THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM TO BUILD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT THOSE NUMBERS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, THE ADDITIONAL COST IS IS IS LISTED THERE, 1.16 TO 1.29.
AND WITH ADDITIONAL GENERATION OF REVENUE, THREE 56,000, WHICH WOULD BRING THE REVENUE TO THE FACILITY UP TO CLOSE TO A MILLION BUCKS A YEAR.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE JUST, UM, IN OUR BACK POCKET.
SO AS THINGS WENT WELL, WE DECIDED WE COULD BUILD IT OUT OR AGAIN, IT'S THE POSSIBILITY NOW AND GET THIS THING PAID OFF
SO JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE TENSION FABRIC STRUCTURE.
HOW LONG WILL THE FABRIC LAST? YEAH, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A 30 YEAR WARRANTY, UH, AT THE END OF THAT TIME YOU CAN REPLACE IT AND YOUR BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN YOU BUILD THAT COST IN OUR MONEY FOR THAT REPLACEMENT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON? YEAH, THERE'S, THERE IS SOME MONEY COMING OUT, I BELIEVE IN THE BUDGET.
AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP WITH THAT REPLACEMENT.
LET ME MENTION ONE OTHER THING.
THE ARCHITECT, BRIAN, I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE, HE WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT THAT, THAT THE CITY'S WORKED WITH THE COUNTY AND HE'S GREAT AND HE REALLY DID A GOOD JOB FOR US.
SO, UH, HE RECOMMENDS THE BUBBLE AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND UH, HE'S DOING IT BECAUSE OF THE COST.
SO I ASKED, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED IS, LET ME GO SEE ONE.
SO RICHLAND COUNTRY CLUB JUST PUT ONE IN TWO QUARTERS.
AND SO I WENT TO JOHN ZA, HE'S A MEMBER THERE, AND UH, WENT OVER THERE AND THE PRO THERE, WHO I KNOW IS A FRIEND OF YOURS, UH, HE SAID, WELL, LOOK, THERE'S GONNA, YEAH, HE, HE SAID, UH, UH, GO IN AND LOOK AT IT.
HE SAID, BUT IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
AND ALL HE DID WAS GIVE ME A WHOLE LIST OF PROBLEMS WITH THE ELECTRICAL, THE GENERATOR DIDN'T WORK THAT HE GONNA DO.
I MEAN, SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THIS IS A USER RECOMMENDATION.
THE USERS, THE PE WAS OVERWHELMINGLY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, EVEN THE OTHER PROFESSIONALS LIKE ANDY
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THAT I HAD TALKED TO AND SAID, DO WE GO BOBBLE? DO WE GO THIS? ALL OF 'EM RECOMMENDED THIS FACILITY.IS THIS SIMILAR TO, UH, THE EDDIE ARNOLD CROCK PARK TENSION, UM, FABRIC STRUCTURE? I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S SORT A FABRIC, A FABRIC BUILDING.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE INSULATION AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF ON THE INSIDE.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, THERE'S A FABRIC THAT'S JUST OVER BUILDING AND THEN YOU BUILD IT OUT WITH VERY NICE, UH, INSULATION.
SO YOU GET A LOT OF REFLECTION FROM THE LIGHTS.
'CAUSE YOUR LIGHTS ARE GONNA SHOOT UPWARDS AND BOUNCE OFF THE ROOF.
SO THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
THIS IS, THIS INCLUDES THE INSULATION AND ALL OF THAT.
IT HAS LIKE A METAL KIND OF, I CALL THE SKELETON THE SUPPORT SKELETON.
AND THEN IT HAS THE FABRIC ON THE OUTSIDE INSULATION AND THEN ALL THE, UH, AND ONE THING THAT I, I'M JUST SAYING CONSTRUCTIVE DIFFERENTLY, Y'ALL MAYBE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT HERE THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WHEN I CAME TO THE MEETINGS IS, UM, IN THIS PROCESS, Y'ALL DISCOVERED THAT REALLY IT NEEDED TO NOT BE ONE HUGE BUBBLE THAT TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL NEEDED TO BE SEPARATE, NEEDED TO BE TWO SEPARATE.
SO, SO ANOTHER ONE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY PROPOSAL, THEY HAD THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE PICKLEBALL RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND THAT IS JUST GONNA START A FIGHT RIGHT THERE,
SO, SO THEY'RE DIFFERENT CULTURES AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE BOTH RACKET SPORTS.
BUT PICKLEBALL IS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE OPEN PLACE.
YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE PLAYING PICKLEBALL.
YOU'VE GOT SIX COURTS OR IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY, A LOT OF BANGING.
YOU GOT A LOT OF NOISE, YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE SIDELINES 'CAUSE YOU'RE ROTATING IN AND OUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PICKLEBALL IS GROWING AND WHY IT'S SUCH A, A, A GREAT COMMUNITY, UH, PROJECT THAT WE, WE SHOULD USE.
TENNIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUIETER.
YOU LIKE TO HIT THE BALL, YOU LIKE TO HEAR THE BALL, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT SPORT.
YOU GO TO THE US OPEN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 32,000 FANS IN, IN, IN, IN CENTER QUARTS, YOU KNOW, THE US OPEN AND YOU START THE POINT, IT'S SILENCE.
OKAY? IT'S, IT'S JUST A CULTURAL THING.
EVERY TIME I'VE SEEN PICKLEBALL PLAYED ON TENNIS COURTS RIGHT NEXT TO TENNIS, IT IS A DISASTER.
TENNIS PLAYERS P****D IT'S NOISE.
IT'S PEOPLE COMING ON THE COURT, PEOPLE COMING OFF THE COURT.
IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, IT IS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.
SO AGAIN, THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY PROPOSAL HAD THE TWO RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING WE SAID, THESE NEED TO BE SEPARATED.
SO IN THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE HERE WITH A NICE PRO SHOP, WE COME IN AND THEN IT SEPARATES OUT THE WALL HERE, YOU THE CHANCE HERE.
THESE GUYS CAN BE THE PARTY NOISES CAN BE BE NICE, QUIET TENNIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE WAY THE FACILITY WOULD BE BUILT.
SO THAT WAS THE TWO THINGS THAT I GOT ON THE COMMITTEE WAS, WAS ONE, LET'S SEPARATE OUT THE TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL.
AND NUMBER TWO IS, LET'S NOT DO A BUBBLE.
I HAVE OWNED A BUBBLE FOR THE LAST 19 YEARS.
WE HAD A ROLLING, UH, ROLLING ELECTRICAL POWERHOUSE THIS LAST YEAR.
WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING BEING HELD UP BY
OKAY? EVERY, EVERY HOUR FOR 10 MINUTES, ALL THE POWER WENT OFF.
OKAY? THE BUILDING'S STARTING TO COLLAPSE.
YES, IN ALL PERFECT WORLD, THE GENERATOR STARTS EVERY TIME.
OH MAYBE DOESN'T, YOU NOW HAVE LOST YOUR BUILDING.
I'VE HAD MY BUILDING COLLAPSE THREE TIMES.
SO, SO THOSE WERE THE BIG RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US, UM, THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REALLY PRIMETIME FACILITY, ANDY I KNOW, UH, 350 PARKING SPACES SEEMS LIKE A LOT, AND I KNOW THAT SAYS REQUIRED BY CODE, BUT THAT ALSO TAKES MORE EXCAVATION, MORE BUILDING, ET CETERA.
AND I'M, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT.
NOT TO BE SOLVED HERE, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT? DO YOU REALLY NEED 350 PARKING SPACES OR IS THAT JUST A CODE? I, I WOULD LOVE TO.
JUST KNOWING THE EXCAVATION LEFT, THE BUILDING
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT LATER ON.
WE CAN TALK, BUT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF EXCAVATION IF THAT ELIMINATES SOME OF THAT, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED 'EM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DEVIATE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CODE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING A LOT.
THAT'S ONE PUBLIC, ALSO, THE PROPERTY IS, THE
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PROPERTY IS ALSO NEAR, UM, HOLY FAMILY CHURCH.IT'S ALSO NEAR THE INDOOR SOCCER.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO WALK TO, TO SAVE MONEY, BUT YEAH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ONCE YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU COMMIT TO THIS, THEN YEAH, THESE ARE SOME EXPENSES THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT AND, AND MADE.
BUT I THINK THE NUMBER HERE WAS, WAS MORE OF A, A CODE THING.
SO ANDY, BEFORE WE GET OFF THE, THE FACILITIES AND THE LOCATION, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE OR TO, TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE EXACT SAME LOCATION AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SINCE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, RIGHT? BY THE INDOOR SOCCER CENTER OR CROCKETT PARK.
SO WE ALL EVALUATED OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT THE ORIGINAL LOCATIONS THE CORRECT LOCATION.
UM, WE LOOKED AT THE FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S THE ONLY LOCATION, SO, YEAH.
SO THE LOCATION'S CORRECT AND HAS BEEN CORRECT FOR SOME TIME.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FACILITY LIKE YOU MENTIONED WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND, AND, AND BRIAN RECTOR, THE ARCHITECT HAD BEEN PROPOSING, UH, UH, FACILITY, THE CHANGES THAT Y'ALL ARE SUGGESTING.
UM, SO WHAT ESSENTIALLY ALL HAVE DONE IS UPGRADED IT SOMEWHAT BY GOING FROM A, A BUBBLE TO A A, A TENSION SUPPORTED FABRIC FACILITY, WHICH IS A, A SOMEWHAT MORE EXPENSIVE FACILITY AND HAS SOME ESTIMATES IN HERE FOR THE POSSIBLE.
AS WELL AS SEPARATING IT FROM ONE BUILDING INTO TWO BUILDINGS WHERE WILLIAMSTON COUNTY HAD BEEN SUGGESTING NOISE ISOLATION AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY HAVING TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
SO ANOTHER POSSIBLE UPGRADE THERE IN TERMS OF FACILITY COST.
AND THEN ALSO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BRIAN'S AN ARCHITECT WHO'S USING, AT LEAST HE WAS SAYING HE'S USING AVERAGE PER SQUARE FOOT COSTS FOR THE BUILDING.
SO THIS ISN'T LIKE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR PROPOSAL BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS OTHER THAN THE SURVEY THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE LIKE A GEOTECHNICAL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO REALLY INVESTIGATE THE SITE WORK UTILITIES, OR EVEN, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT SURE Y'ALL HAVEN'T MENTIONED CROCKETT ROAD AND THE SCHOOLS THERE AND THE, THE CURB CUT AND STUFF.
SO REALLY THESE ARE, ARE TENTATIVE NUMBERS BASED ON TAKING THE LOOPS, THE KIND OF FACILITY AND UPGRADING IT SOMEWHAT, AND THEN USING THAT ON AN AVERAGE COST PER SQUARE FOOT TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, UM, CERTAINLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CORRECT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPGRADE FROM WHAT WAS SUGGESTED.
SO WE ASSUME THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN.
WE JUST FEEL THAT THAT THE WAY THE FACILITY WAS RECOMMENDED WAS THE CHEAPEST OPTION AND WE FELT THAT THE CITY OF BRENT WOULD DESERVE BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AND FOR ME TO PRESENT.
I, I GET THE, UH, THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PUT IN THE REPORT IS IF YOU WERE TO GO AHEAD WITH A DECISION, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MIGHT SET UP, UH, ANOTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH CITY.
THERE'S SOME REAL EXPERTISE IN THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD PICKLEBALL TENNIS.
AND SO, UH, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS ABOUT.
SO THAT BASICALLY IS THE, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE'S SAYING.
SO MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE START THE REST OF OUR, OUR STUFF? ABSOLUTELY.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF POINTS IF I COULD, AND THEN WE'LL WRAP A SECOND.
BUT I MEAN, BETWEEN EVENTS, CAN WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? SO CITY MANAGER BEDNAR SENT, UH, AN EMAIL OUT JUST KIND OF OUTLINING SOME OF THE STEPS FORWARD AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
UH, A COUPLE ITEMS AREN'T HERE.
AS WAS MENTIONED BRIEFLY, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM CROCKETT ROAD IS A, IS A BIG CONCERN IN THIS
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FACILITY.YOU WOULDN'T WANNA PUT ALL THAT GOING BACK OUT ON VOLUNTEER PARKWAY.
AND SO WHETHER WE NEED A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT INTERSECTION THERE OR A FULL INTERSECTION, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 400 OR $500,000 ON THE LOW END FOR THE AC L DESAL LANES TO SOMETHING FAR NORTH OF THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IS GONNA BE NEEDED, BUT YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE.
UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF FACTORED INTO THIS EQUATION AS WE GO FORWARD AND DISCUSS WHAT TO DO.
UM, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO FOR A PATH FORWARD.
DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED MORE PUBLIC INPUT, A PUBLIC HEARING OF SORTS? UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING? CITY MANAGER BEDNAR HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF A SPECIAL WORKSHOP PERHAPS IN JANUARY, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE OUR BUDGET KICKOFF MEETING, JUST TO DISCUSS THIS FACILITY AND PERHAPS HOW IT FITS INTO THE SCHEDULE WITH OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL BE TALKING ABOUT LATER IN THE YEAR TOO.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S MORE INFORMATION YOU'RE GONNA NEED FROM STAFF AND WE NEED TO HAVE TIME TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
BUT YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED A SPECIAL MEETING.
AND BEFORE WE LEAVE, I DO HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION WHILE THE COMMITTEE'S HERE.
SO ONE QUESTION I HAD, UH, YOU PUT THE FINANCIAL MODEL UP THERE, UM, LOOKING AT PAGE 18, WHEN YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE, UM, STAFFING, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE STAFFING IT WITH TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE, A DIRECTOR OF TENNIS AND THE DIRECTOR OF PICKLEBALL, AND THEN CONTRACT PEOPLE, UH, TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE, ARE PAID ON CONTRACT TO TEACH LESSONS, AND THEN A PART-TIME FRONT DESK SUPERVISOR AND THEN PART-TIME FRONT DESK WORKERS.
IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THAT THE STAFFING MODEL? IS IT, YES.
SO SO, SO THE, SO THE FINANCIALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE ASSUMING TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE AND THEN, AND WE LIST OUT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FROM GENERATING, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS AND RUNNING TOURNAMENTS AND ALL THAT.
SO WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED, WE CAN DO ALL THAT WITH JUST TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE.
WE DON'T NEED ANY FACILITY PEOPLE, WE DON'T NEED ANY COURT MONITORS.
WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER FACILITY STAFF.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
UM, I THINK THAT THE TENNIS PRO OR THE DIRECTOR OF TENNIS WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE DURING THE LEAD WEEKS AND DOING THE CONTRACT TIMES.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TIME SENSITIVE.
YOU WORK HARD FOR A DAY OR TWO AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 20 WEEKS OF IT JUST RUNNING ITSELF.
I WOULD EXPECT THE TENNIS PRO AND THE PICKLEBALL DIRECTOR BOTH TO BE AT THE FACILITY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKING HOURS IN THE EVENINGS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE, MAYBE YOUR FRONT DESK SUPERVISOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DESK PEOPLE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR MAINTENANCE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA DO SOME CLEANING.
BUT I THINK THESE COSTS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE VERY DOABLE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE OUT PLAYING TENNIS, THEY DON'T NEED THEIR HANDS HELD.
THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT PLAYING AND, AND, AND WHEN THEY COME OFF, THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE DESK PROCESS.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT, THAT THESE FIGURES ARE, ARE, ARE CORRECT.
PASTE THESE FIGURES ALSO ON WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND, AND, AND ON THE, UH, OTHER FIGURES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ADAMS, TENCENT, IF I MAY ON THE SUBJECT, UH, ONE I HAVE NOT CONSIDERED IT HERE THAT THE COMMITTEE BRIEFLY TOOK A LOOK AT WAS COULD WE COLLATE THE PROPOSED PARK OPERATIONS FACILITY WITH THIS BUILDING AS WELL? MM-HMM.
THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE SOME PARK STAFF THERE.
WE GET THE ECONOMY OF STORM SHARED, STORMWATER, PARKING, LIGHTING, ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S SOME REAL EFFICIENCIES POTENTIALLY TO BE HAD, BUT I THINK THE COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT'S KIND OF CO-MINGLING.
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR SCOPE, BUT THAT'LL BE ANOTHER THING WE'LL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SHOULD WE EXPAND THE OFFICE AREA TO INCLUDE SPACE FOR, UM, DAYS FOLKS, WHICH MAY GIVE SOME STAFFING OVERLAP, RIGHT? WHERE OUR RECEPTIONIST, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON CAN ACTUALLY HELP TAKE AWAY POTENTIALLY ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT WOULD BE SERVING THE TENNIS FACILITY.
SO, UM, IT'LL BE ANOTHER THING FOR US TO TALK ABOUT.
AND THEN I BRING IT UP IN PART BECAUSE, UH, AS MANY EMAILS I'VE GOTTEN ABOUT THIS FACILITY, I'VE ALSO HAD A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT PEOPLE MISUSING TENNIS COURTS, UH, IN THEIR MIND AROUND TOWN, WHETHER IT'S PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS OR CRICKET ON TENNIS COURTS OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE SOME DEGREE MONITORING AND HAVING TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE FOR, YOU KNOW, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT PLUS FACILITY WHO ARE OCCASIONALLY GONNA WANT TO HAVE DAYS OFF OR VACATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT ANDY, SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED IS, UM, IS HOURS OF OPERATION.
I DIDN'T SEE HOURS OF OPERATION IN HERE ANYWHERE.
ARE ARE THOSE IN EXHIBITS SOMEWHERE ELSE OR NOT SURE.
THEY MIGHT NOT BE IN THE REPORT, BUT WE'VE GOT THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UH, THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT THE COMMUNITY OPERATION IS NOW.
WE WOULD BE OPEN ON SUNDAY MORNINGS, IT WOULD BE OPEN TILL NINE 30 AT NIGHT, WHEREAS THE OTHER FACILITIES CLOSED AT EIGHT, SO THERE'S MORE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO WE CORRELATED THE OP HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE STAFFING MODEL TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS IN
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TERMS OF WELL, LIKE REGULATORY PAYMENT LAWS OVER TIME, DAYS OFF, THAT KIND OF STUFF.WELL THAT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNTING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PART-TIME, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE PART-TIME WORKERS DOING THAT.
SO, SO TIMES PART-TIME WORK, TENNIS PROS ARE GONNA BE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS.
SO I THINK ALL OF THAT IS IS, UH, HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
AND AS FOR YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PEOPLE PLAYING CRICKET ON AN INDOOR TENNIS COURT OUTSIDE COURTS, YES IT IS A FREE FOR ALL.
YOU KNOW, ANYBODY CAN JUMP OVER A FENCE OR WALK IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ON A TENNIS COURT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MISUSE OF AN INDOOR FACILITY, WHEREAS AN OUTDOOR FACILITY YES, YOU HAVE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON, ON AN OUTDOOR FLOOR.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WITH THE STAFFING MODEL, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE GOT FACILITY MANAGEMENT QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO Y'ALL HAVE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER STUFF GOING ON THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MANAGED BY THE, ESSENTIALLY THE PART-TIME STAFF, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, MUCH OF THE TIME.
WELL, A LOT OF THAT STUFF WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF UP FRONT WHEN SOMEONE BOOKS A COURT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD GET INTO OUR DATABASE OF, OKAY, THIS IS A BRENTWOOD RESIDENT AND THEREFORE THEY WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY.
SO YEAH, THERE'S SOME PROCESSING THAT WOULD START UP AND THAT COULD EASILY START UP BEFORE THE FACILITY EVEN STARTS.
SO PEOPLE GETTING REGISTERED AND SUCH AND SOMETHING.
UM, I'M GENERALLY INTERESTED, I KNOW WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT FINANCIALS AT ALL TO SPEAK OF, WE'VE GOT 'EM IN THE PACKET AND YOU'VE GOT 'EM UP ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
BUT I KNOW IN, IN THE, THE, THE REPORT THAT YOU GAVE US, IT MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT HOW, AND YOU EVEN MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A, A SELF-SUPPORTING PROJECT WHERE IT GENERATES MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
BUT IN ANOTHER SECTION, AND CHRIS YOU MAY SPEAK TO THIS, YOU, YOU SAY THAT THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY AND THE COUNTY WOULD LOSE TOO MUCH MONEY AND THEY'D HAVE TO RAISE TAXES IF THE COUNTY WAS INVOLVED IN IT.
BUT IF WE JUST DO IT OURSELVES, WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALL KINDS OF MONEY.
AND I'M JUST NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, HOW BOTH OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE TRUE.
AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THE DISCUSSION RELATES MOSTLY TO THE, UH, FACT THAT BRENTWOOD HAS GOT A HEALTHY FINANCIAL SITUATION AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY DO, DO YOU HAVE A PAGE REFERENCE FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER ANDREWS? OH YEAH.
SO THE, SO ON PAGE 13, UH, IN THE SUMMARY IS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, $737 OF ANNUAL PROFIT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CONVENTIONAL USE OF THE WORD PROFIT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IN THEIR STUFF THEY TEND TO TALK ABOUT A POSITIVE NET CASH FLOW.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT PAGE 13 IS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK Y'ALL REPRINT COMMISSIONER RICHARDS CONCERNS ABOUT THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL, I BELIEVE.
20 PAGE 24 ON PAGE 25 IS WHEN THEY GET INTO THE, OF THE COUNTY 25 AND 26.
I MEAN, INTERESTINGLY, I MEAN, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE, THE FINANCIAL, UM, REGULATORS, IT'S I THINK THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE IT HAS A AAA RATING AND IS CONSIDERED ABOUT THE MOST FINANCIALLY HEALTH HEALTHY COUNTY IN, IN TENNESSEE.
AND CHRIS, I APPRECIATE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD, BUT TALKING TO FOLKS ON THE FINANCIAL COMMITTEE AND OTHER FOLKS AND LOOKING AT THE, THE MONEY SPENT ON COOLS AND THE BOUND ISSUES.
SO, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY AT SOME POINT BRENTWOODS HEALTHY BECAUSE WE MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WITH MONEY.
UM, BUT, BUT STILL WHEN WE'RE PITCHING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GENERATES, YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS EXCESS REVENUE OR AS YOU LIKE TO SAY, PROFIT, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THAT DISCREPANCY WAS AND HOW Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, HOLD THAT THIS IS A GREAT FINANCIAL MOVE FOR BRENTWOOD.
'CAUSE IT'LL MAKE MONEY AND HELP OFFSET TAXES, BUT FOR THE COUNTY IT'S GONNA COST HIM MONEY AND AND CAUSE 'EM TO RAISE TAXES.
GARY, I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH YOUR REPORT, I'M JUST BEING COMPLETELY HONEST HERE.
I FELT YOU TRIED TO BE BALANCED THROUGHOUT MOST OF IT.
BUT WHEN YOU INCLUDED COMMISSIONER RICHARDS EMAIL, WHO IS THE MOST JUNIOR MEMBER OF THE FOUR COMMISSIONERS THAT REPRESENT BRENTWOOD LESS THAN A YEAR IN OFFICE, BUT YOU DID NOT CONTACT COMMISSIONER WEBB WHO USED TO BE THE CITY TREASURER FOR THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD, A MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD AND ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND HAS OWNED THEIR BUDGET COMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
YOU DIDN'T CON CONTACT COMMISSIONER NATIONS OR COMMISSIONER MCL.
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SEEMED TO ME THAT THAT WAS AN AREA YOU WERE TRYING TO PROJECT A LITTLE BIAS INTO THE REPORT.SO I, I'M JUST GOING ON RECORD SAYING THAT AND I DON'T EXPECT A RESPONSE.
I'M JUST STATING MY, MY FEELINGS.
UM, I HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER HIL ABOUT AN HOUR LONG, AND I ALSO REACHED OUT TO COMMISSIONER WEBB AND GOT HIS INSIGHT AND INFORMATION, WHICH I ALSO SHARED WITH OUR COMMITTEE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
WE DIDN'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE INCLUDED THOUGH.
WE, SO, AND CHRIS HAS BEEN HERE SINCE DAY ONE OPPOSING IT.
SO IT JUST LOOKED A LITTLE, IT LOOKED A LITTLE SLANTED THERE.
THAT WAS MY ONLY CRITICISM OF THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED.
AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CRITICISM.
OVERALL, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OVERALL, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE BRENTWOOD PEOPLE.
IT'S ZONING BECAUSE OF THE FAVORABLE ZONING THAT CREATES THEIR WEALTH.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BRENTWOOD PEOPLE, THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BRENTWOOD PEOPLE.
SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT MAKES SENSE ON WHAT WE HEAR AND SEE.
THAT MAKES SENSE FOR BRENTWOOD.
BRENTWOOD IS IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS BETTER THAN OTHERS.
UH, SO THAT, SO THAT'S THE POSITION WE TOOK.
UH, SO, SO THAT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO JUST COME UP WITH WHAT'S BEST FOR BRENTWOOD, I THINK.
I THINK THE OTHER THING, THE TAKEAWAY, AND I THINK WE CAN GET DOWN SOME MORE OF THIS WHEN WE HAVE OUR JANUARY MEETING.
I THINK THE OVERVIEW IS TREMENDOUS.
I THINK ALSO AS I LOOK OUT AND I SAY PEOPLE SITTING AROUND THE ROOM, I HOPE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR CLEARLY, THERE'LL BE A TENNIS FACILITY IN BRENTWOOD.
OKAY? THERE'LL BE A TENNIS PICKLEBALL FACILITY IN BRENTWOOD.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
AND I THINK THIS BASIC INFORMATION GIVES US TIME TO LOOK AT THIS, TAKE THIS REPORT, STUDY IT, LIKE YOU SAY, WE'LL COME UP WITH QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK THAT DEEP DIVE THAT WE DO IN JANUARY IS WHEN WE REALLY, IT'S GONNA BE SUPER IMPORTANT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK WE GOT REALLY GOOD BASIC INFORMATION AND I'D ENCOURAGE ANYBODY IN HERE THAT WANTS TO TALK TO US AFTER THE MEETING, I'LL HANG AROUND AND BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU.
BUT THIS WAS VERY GOOD AND IT, IT CAN BE A VERY PROFITABLE VENTURE FOR US.
BUT THE MAIN THING, WE'RE GONNA GET A REALLY GOOD FACILITY OUT OF THIS, DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE NAME HANGS OVER THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TENNIS PLAYERS AND PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, WHICH I THINK IS TREMENDOUS.
NOW ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE REPORT.
WHAT WAS THE VOTE IN TERMS OF ADOPTING THE REPORT TO PRESENT? WAS IT UNANIMOUS? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE VOTE FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, ON THIS REPORT? RECOMMENDATION.
LIKE ONCE THE REPORT WAS FINALIZED, DID Y'ALL ACTUALLY, EVERYBODY AGREED WITH, BUT DID YOU ACTUALLY IN A MEETING, DO A FORMAL VOTE? EVERYBODY JUST AGREED VOTE THEY ALL, NOBODY ASKED FOR A VOTE.
EVERYBODY JUST SAID THIS LOOKS GREAT.
EVERYBODY PARTICIPATED, EVERYBODY WENT THROUGH THE REVIEW, EVERYBODY AGREED TO THE REPORT.
WE HAVE EVERYBODY HAD MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES.
IS THAT WHAT HE SAID? OKAY, HEAR, I GOTTA GET THESE THINGS FIXED.
COMMENT, IF EVERYONE'S SPEECH BELABOR THE POINT.
BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
SOMETHING HAVE BEEN COMMITTEE FOR THE HOURS AND HOURS OF EXPERTISE THAT SHE BROUGHT TO OUR CITY THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD.
AND YOU SACRIFICED A LOT FOR THIS TO GIVE THIS WORK AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND SITTING WITH THEM FOR SO MANY HOURS AND SO MANY INSTANCES, I WAS CONTINUALLY IMPRESSED BY THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE THAT YOU BROUGHT.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL WRAP BY SAYING GARY.
FOLKS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME SPENT TODAY.
THIS HAS BEEN VALUABLE IN ALL THE EVENINGS THAT YOU SPENT PUTTING INTO THIS REPORT.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TOGETHER IN JANUARY TO DISCUSS THIS IN GREATER DETAIL WITH SOME MORE INPUT FROM STAFF ON HOW THIS FITS INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
YEAH, IF WE CAN TAKE 10 MINUTES, WE'LL COME BACK AT, UH, LET'S SAY 10 30 PLEASE.
NEXT ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS IS THE GOOD WORK THAT DAVE AND SEAN ALSER HAVE BEEN DOING TO LOOK INTO OUR PARK FEES AND SEE HOW THEY CAN BE UPDATED.
WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THIS IN SOME TIME AND SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVERDUE, SO I'M GOING TO ALLOW SHA TO TAKE THE PRESENTATION.
WELL, I'LL TRY NOT TO, UH, BORE ALLISON 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT SHE SAT THROUGH THE MOST OF THIS PRESENTATION, UH, SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY AS A MEMBER OF THE PARK BOARD.
BUT, UM, AS JAY MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR THE PARK FACILITIES.
UM, CONTAINS INFORMATION ABOUT
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ATHLETIC, ATHLETIC FACILITIES, UM, SHELTERS, FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS.UM, LAST UPDATE, I THINK IT WAS 2017.
AND THAT WAS A FAIRLY MINOR UPDATE, REALLY THE 2013 I THINK WAS THE LAST SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE.
AND SO, UH, OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE AMONGST A LOT OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITHIN MIDDLE TENNESSEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, CITIES WITH A, UM, ESTABLISHED PARK SYSTEM OR, UH, THAT ARE CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO BRENTWOOD.
AND BASED ON THOSE RESULTS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME POTENTIAL FEE UPDATES THAT WOULD BETTER ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT MARKET OF WHAT THOSE PEERS ARE ARE CHARGING FOR THEIR FACILITIES.
AND SO, UM, WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION, THE PROPOSED UPDATES, UH, TO THE PARK BOARD AND THEY'VE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THESE.
SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE.
I'VE MENTIONED THE FEES FOR THE RESERVATION OF FACILITIES.
UM, BUT WE ALSO CHARGE FEES FOR COUNTY PARTICIPANTS AND OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS.
UM, FOR LEAGUES SUCH AS THE YMCA OR UM, TENNESSEE SOCCER CLUB.
UM, THERE ARE SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR THE CITY THAT REALLY CARRY OUT AND, UH, CONDUCT THOSE LEAGUES.
AND SO, UM, GENERATE GENERATION OF REVENUE BETWEEN THOSE FEES IS ABOUT $160,000 A YEAR.
60% OF THAT, 60% OF THAT IS FROM THESE PLAYER AND TEAM FEES, UM, FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE SERVICE PROVIDER LEAGUES.
AND THEN, UH, THE REMAINING 39 40% IS RESERVATION OF THE DIFFERENT CITY FACILITIES.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF, UM, THAT PLAYER TEAM FEES, UM, BEING ABOUT CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
BUT THEN REALLY WHERE WE FOCUSED ON THE FACILITY RESERVATIONS WAS ON THOSE FACILITIES THAT ARE HEAVILY UTILIZED.
AND SO THE, UM, ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE SHELTERS AND PAVILIONS ARE, ARE WHERE WE GET THE MAJORITY OF THE RESERVATIONS.
SO HERE'S THE PEER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THOSE THAT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UM, NASHVILLE, DAMON COUNTY, SMYRNA, UH, MURFREESBORO FRANKLIN, AND THEN ALSO SOME OTHER, UH, CITIES WITHIN THE REGION THAT, UM, HAVE A PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED PARK SYSTEM.
SO WE TRIED TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THESE, UH, PROPOSED UPDATES.
AND UH, THE HANDOUT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THIS IS KIND OF BROKEN DOWN BY THE FACILITIES, SO IT STARTS OFF WITH THE PAVILIONS AND SHELTERS, UM, AND THEN MOVES ON TO TENNIS COURTS AND THE OTHER FACILITIES.
AND WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE IS KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN BY THE DIFFERENT RATE TYPE IN THE USER, WHETHER THAT'S A HOURLY, TWO HOUR OR A DAILY, UM, RATE.
AND THEN THE CURRENT RATE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED RATE.
AND SO, UM, KIND OF JUST WALKING THROUGH THIS PIECE, WE'VE GOT, UH, PAVILIONS AND SHELTERS.
UH, FIRST WE'VE GOT THE SHELTERS, UH, WHICH WE'VE GOT FOUR OF.
AND OUR RATES VARY BETWEEN CITY RESIDENT, A COUNTY RESIDENT, OR AN OUT OF COUNTY, UM, RESIDENT.
AND RIGHT NOW FOR BOTH SHELTERS AND PAVILIONS, THERE IS NO FEE CHARGE FOR, UH, BRENTWOOD CITY RESIDENTS.
AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE, UM, BASED ON LOOKING AT THE, THE DIFFERENT CITIES, THERE WERE NO CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT DID NOT CHARGE RESIDENTS.
AND SO, UM, WE ADDED A PROPOSED FEE OF, UM, 25 FOR FOUR HOUR RESERVATION FOR CITY RESIDENTS FOR THE SHELTER PAVILIONS, UM, OF FOUR HOUR RATE OF $50.
AND, AND THEN, UM, ALSO INCREASE THE COUNTY RESIDENT AND THE OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENT FOR, UM, RESERVATIONS FOR SHELTERS AND PAVILIONS AS WELL.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? MM-HMM.
YOU'RE SAYING FOR THAT TIME FOR YOUR PEOPLE TO BE OUT THERE AND YES.
IT'S VERY MUCH MORE WORK TO CLEAN UP AFTER EIGHT HOURS THAN FOUR HOURS.
OR IS IT ABOUT THE SAME? ABOUT THE SAME.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRASH VOLUME, BUT ABOUT THE SAME.
SO REALLY BY DOING IT THIS WAY, IT'LL PROBABLY BALANCE OUT.
WE'RE RECOVERING OUR COSTS FOR, FOR SHELTERS MORE OR LESS.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF BRENTWOOD RESIDENTS THAT RENT THE SHELTERS? IS IT 60 AM I RIGHT NOW BEEN RUNNING ABOUT 63% OVERALL.
SOME PAVILIONS HAVE MORE OR LESS GRAINY
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WHITES PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE.OWL CREEK IS PROBABLY MORE OF A 50 50.
SO THE ONE AREA THAT, WELL, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING CATEGORY BY CATEGORY, AL WHITE.
DO WE GET TO IT? I JUST WAS WANTING TO KNOW WHAT SOMETHING WAS.
SO FOR, UH, THE NEXT ONE WAS TENNIS COURTS.
AND SO, UH, BASICALLY FOR TENNIS COURTS WE'VE GOT A FEE FOR LIGHTS AND THEN JUST A BASE FEE FOR RENTING THAT RESERVING THE TENNIS COURTS, UM, TWO HOUR DURATION.
AND CURRENTLY IT'S $10 FOR RESIDENTS AND $10 FOR NON-RESIDENTS.
AND SO WHAT WE'D BE PROPOSING IS DOUBLING THE FEE FOR RESIDENTS TO $20 FOR THAT TWO HOUR SLOT.
AND THEN, UM, INCREASING THE RATE TO, UH, $40 FOR THAT TWO HOUR SLOT FOR NON-RESIDENTS.
AND THEN IF THEY CHOOSE TO ADD LIGHTS, THEN UM, WE WOULD JUST ADD UH, $20, $10 AN HOUR FOR THE LIGHTS FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS.
AND SO WILL THESE FEES BE COLLECTED LIKE WHEN Y'ALL GO TO A NEW ONLINE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING FOR A RESERVATION SYSTEM? YOU COULD DO IT THROUGH THAT? YEAH.
I MEAN, EITHER WAY WE'LL COLLECT IT.
DO PEOPLE MAKE RESERVATIONS OR THEY JUST SHOW UP AND PLAY? UM, NO.
THEY MAKE RESERV WHEN THEY WANT GUARANTEED COURT TIME.
BUT IF, IF IT'S AVAILABLE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
THERE IS ALWAYS ONE COURT, COURT COURT WE'D BE OPEN FOR WALKOUTS MOVING DOWN THE LIST TO MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS.
UH, THIS ONE LARGELY REMAINED UNCHANGED.
UM, 'CAUSE OUR FEES WERE FAIRLY COMPETITIVE WITH, UM, SURROUNDING CITIES.
UM, WE DID UPDATE THE FIELD FEE FOR TOURNAMENTS.
IT WAS 150 FOR THE WEEKEND, SO $75 FOR A DAY.
UM, WE INCREASED THAT TO 150 PER DAY.
UM, SO IT'D BE 300 ESSENTIALLY FOR THE WEEKEND.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU DIDN'T, ON THE FIELDS, YOU DIDN'T POP IT UP BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY KIND OF COMPARABLE.
EXCEPT FOR THE TOURNAMENT RATE, WHAT HAS RED RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT THE SAME? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A MIXED TEAM WITH BOTH ON 'EM.
BASICALLY BECAUSE DO THOSE TEAMS HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EARLY RESIDENTS THAT KIND OF DO, ARE EXPECTED TO BE ON IT OR NO RENTAL, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER USER GROUPS, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE LOCAL, LOCAL TEAMS. OKAY.
WHICH ONE ARE THE SAME? HONESTLY, IT'S VERY, VERY LITTLE RESERVATIONS ON A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD.
BECAUSE THE TEAM HAS, WE'RE FULL BASICALLY ALL THE TIME.
I THINK THAT SERVICE PROVIDERS ONLY, I, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD CITIZENS WHO PROVIDE SERVICE TO US.
$150 SOUNDS LIKE A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY TO ME FOR THEM TO RENT A FIELD FOR A DAY.
WELL, WE OWN, YEAH, THAT'S FOR TOURNAMENTS.
SO THAT'S COVERING STAFF JUST FOR, 'CAUSE THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT THERE.
THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF THAT WE GOT.
WE HAVE TO RENT BOXES, COFFINS FOR CASH.
WE GOT A LOT OF ASSOCIATED I AGREE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT COVER YOU OR YOU STILL LOSING THE ONE THE NEW FEE WILL, THE NEW FEE WILL COVER US.
AND UNDER, UH, BALD DIAMONDS WE'VE GOT THE BASE RATE INCREASING IT FROM $25 FOR THE TWO HOURS TO $50 FOR TWO HOURS.
AND THEN WE NOW HAVE, UH, TWO TURF FIELDS THAT, UH, DOESN'T REQUIRE PREP, BUT, UM, WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE FEE, UH, FROM $25 TO $75 FOR THOSE FIELDS.
AND THEN IF YOU ADD ON LIGHTS, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER $25 FEE FOR WHETHER IT'S THE BASE, STANDARD FIELDS OR THE TRIP FIELDS.
AND THEN, UH, FOR PREP, UM, ON THE STANDARD FIELDS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $50.
SO THAT'S INCREASING FOR 25 TO 50.
NOW ARE WE, DO WE CHARGE SCHOOLS THIS OR IS THERE NO CHARGE FOR THE SCHOOLS? UM, AND IT'S MORE OF AN INTERNAL OPERATION THING.
CURRENTLY WE DO NOT CHARGE SCHOOLS.
UM, IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF YOU GUYS DOESN'T, IF YOU WANT US TO OR NOT.
UH, WE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TOURNAMENTS AND WHATNOT, BUT WE HAVEN'T IN THE HISTORY THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND THEN SIMILAR TO THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, UM, THE BALL FIELD FOR TOURNAMENTS, WE ALSO INCREASED FROM 75 TO ONE 50 PER DAY.
REALLY? FOR A WHOLE DAY A TOURNAMENT.
AND WE WILL, AFTER THIS, WE'LL JUST SHOW YOU KIND OF HOW
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THESE RATES STACK UP ACROSS THE DIFFERENT PEERS JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE, WHERE WE LAND NOW OR WHERE WE WOULD LAND.AND WHEN, WHEN WE BRING IT TO YOU, IT DOESN'T HAVE LIGHT, SO WE'LL SCRATCH THAT OFF.
UNDER THE, UH, MISCELLANEOUS SPECIAL EVENTS, THESE LARGELY REMAINED UNCHANGED AS WELL.
THE TENNIS CENTER MEETING ROOM STAYS THE SAME GROUP TRAIL USE FRISBEE, GOLF, UH, AND THEN PARK OPEN SPACE, LIKE IF YOU WANTED A PORTION OF A PARK.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIKE, UM, T SHEET GLASSES OUT THERE, IS THAT USE OF THE OPEN SPACE OR THEY JUST SHOW UP AND DO IT? LIKELY SHOWING UP TO, SO I MEAN, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WANT MAKE THAT SOMETHING YOU HAD TO SIGN UP FOR, YOU KNOW.
BUT WHAT DO PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR PARK OPEN SPACE FOR? THEY MAY GET, UM, LIKE THE, UH, SHELTER OR A FOOT PAVILION AT GRANNY WHITE.
THEY WANT THE AREA AROUND THE BASKETBALL COURT, THE, YOU KNOW, SO ANY OPEN SPACE THAT THEY MAY WANNA WANDER INTO.
UH, THAT'S WHAT HAYTON PAY FOR THAT.
AND THEY'LL HAVE PAY FOR THAT IF THEY WANT IT.
'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S MOWED OR, OR WHATEVER.
WE DON'T HAVE A TREMENDOUS, THEY GIVE OTHER PEOPLE OFF OF IT.
UM, WELL IF SOMEONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF USERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT, SO, UM, BUT IT, YES, THEY COULD KICK 'EM OFF IF WAS ANY PROBLEM, BUT THERE'S NEVER, I I JUST ASSUMED IF YOU HAD RENTED A SHELTER, YOU GOT THE USE OF WHAT WAS AROUND YOU.
BUT, BUT IF THEY'RE BLEEDING, WELL, SOMETIMES, MOST OF THE TIME FOLKS GET MARRIED IN OUR SHELTERS AND THEN THEY'LL RENT A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE TO WHATEVER, HAVE A GATHERING OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST RENT PARK OPEN SPACE WITHOUT RENTING A SHELTER.
OR A BALL DIAMOND OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF THINGS WE HAD OUT IN OPEN SPACE IN THE PARK THAT WE WOULD BE RENTING PROPERTY TO PEOPLE FOR THAT HOURS.
I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
UH, THE NEXT ONE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS IS TYPICALLY FOR RUN CHARITY RUNS OR CHARITY WALKS THAT ARE PUT ON.
WE DID INCREASE THE FEE, DOUBLED THAT ONE FROM 250 TO 500 PER EVENT AND THEN ONE OTHER, UH, FEE THAT WE WERE, UH, WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PARK BOARD AND RECOMMENDED TO THEM AND THAT THEY APPROVED.
BUT, UM, WE'VE REMOVED IT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THIS IS FOR, UH, A FOOD TRUCK FEE FOR CITY LED EVENTS ONLY, SUCH AS LIKE THE SUMMER CONCERT SERIES.
UM, AND WE WERE GOING TO ADD A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE, UM, PER FOOD TRUCK.
BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A HESITATION TO, TO DO THAT NOW GIVEN THAT THERE IS SOME CHALLENGES IN JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FOOD TRUCKS TO BEGIN WITH TO GET THERE.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S A BENEFIT THAT A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS ENJOY HAVING THERE FOR THE, FOR THE EVENTS.
I HEARD AN AD YESTERDAY SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE DOING A REENACTMENT OF A WHI WAR ONE BATTLE AND YOU KNOW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH VETERANS STAYING THIS AND THE FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE THERE
I DOUBT THEY HAD FOOD TRUCKS WITH THE BATTLE OF BARN
AND WAS POO-POOED LIKE LAZY? YEP.
WELL THE RESTAURANTS IN MERRILL FARMS PROBABLY ARE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THERE ARE, WERE NO RESTAURANTS IN MARYLAND FARMS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A PROBLEM EVERYBODY WAS GETTING ON THE ROAD TO DRIVE OUT.
IT'S, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY'RE FUN.
THEN THE LAST ONE, THE PLAYER AND TEAM FEES.
UM, SO FOR YOUTH PLAYERS, CITY RESIDENTS ARE FREE, UM, FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO DOUBLE, UM, THAT FROM 25 TO 50 AND THEN FOR OUT OF COUNTY, UM, INCREASING THAT FROM 35 TO A HUNDRED.
AND THEN FOR, UM, ADULT SOFTBALL TEAMS, THERE'S A FEE FOR THOSE.
UM, THEY DO REGISTER THROUGH THE COUNTY TO PLAY, BUT, UM, BRENTWOOD CHARGES THE WHOLE TEAM COUNTY.
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TEAM.SO FOR SPRING 50 TO A HUNDRED.
AND THEN THE FALL LEAGUE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER, I THINK 75 TO ONE 50.
THE TIME THEY RENT IT IS, THE SEASON IS LONGER.
SO IT'S, IT'S $75 FOR THE WHOLE SEASON.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
THEY PLAY JUST REGULAR GAMES AND THEN THE THE, UH, THE SECOND ONE THEY PLAY DOUBLE HEADERS.
SO FOR TENNIS, UM, WITH OUR PASS RATES, WE WERE BELOW, UM, NASHVILLE DAVIDSON COUNTY AND NOW WE'VE MOVED UP A, A SLAUGHTER OR TWO TO BE IN LINE WITH GILBERTSVILLE AND, AND SMYRNA, UM, ON, AT LEAST ON THE NON-RESIDENT SIDE FOR, UH, MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS, THIS IS ONE THAT REMAINED UNCHANGED.
UM, WE WERE ALREADY THIRD AND, UM, FEEL LIKE WE'RE PRETTY COMPETITIVE THERE.
TOURNAMENT RATES, UM, WE WERE DOWN HERE WITH, UM, JUST ABOVE CLARKSVILLE AT THAT $75 A DAY.
SO MOVING UP TO BE IN LINE WITH COLUMBIA AND GALLATIN FOR THE BALL FIELDS.
WE WERE AT, UH, DOWN HERE WITH HENDERSONVILLE AT 1250 AN HOUR.
UM, SO DOUBLING IT WILL MOVE US UP TO BE IN LINE WITH, WITH GALLATIN.
UH, SIMILAR HERE, UH, WE WERE DOWN WITH LAVERNE AND GOODLETTSVILLE TO BE MOVING UP TO BE IN LINE WITH GALLATIN AT $150 A DAY, UH, FOR THE MEDIUM SHELTER RESERVATION RATES.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS BROKEN DOWN FOR RESIDENTS, COUNTY RESIDENTS, AND NON-COUNTRY RESIDENTS.
IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT STORIES FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, WE DID HAVE NO FEE BEFORE, BUT UM, EVEN WITH THE $25 FOR FOUR HOURS, IT WOULD STILL BE IN LINE WITH LAVERNE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN WE'LL BE COMPETITIVE TOWARDS, UH, AT THE TOP WITH COUNTY RESIDENTS AND NON COUNTY RESIDENTS.
AND THEN SIMILAR FOR LARGE SHELTER RESERVATIONS, WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTS, EVEN WITH THE $50 FOR FOUR HOURS, WE'D BE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM IN LINE WITH GALLATIN.
BUT FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS, NON COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD BE TOWARD, TOWARDS THE TOP HERE.
THIS, THIS DOESN'T MATCH THE SLIDES YOU GAVE US.
WHICH ONE? WHERE THE SLIDES I GOT.
I DID, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE ONES FROM THE FIRST PARK BOARD MEETING, I THINK WE FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY RESIDENT, UM, AMOUNT.
SO, SO YEAH, THIS, IT'S DIFFERENT.
YEAH, I WAS EFFICIENT AND PRINTED IT.
HOLLY PRINTED IT FROM THE FIRST PRINTING, SO, OKAY.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT THE ADDITIONAL ONE FOR COUNTY AND AND NON COUNTY, SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT FOR THIS ONE.
CAN WE GET NEW ONES PRINTED? NOT, I DON'T NEED IT TODAY, HOLLY.
I'LL JUST GET IT AT THE MEETING.
SO, UM, WE TRIED TO FORECAST OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE NEW FEES, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND UM, WE FORECAST APPROXIMATELY $150,000.
SO WITH THESE RAIDS WE DOUBLED A LOT OF THEM AND SO WE ARE HOPEFUL TO DOUBLE THE, THE REVENUE FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND SO BRIEFING YOU AND THEN, UM, REALLY THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE TO GET THE FEES IN PLACE, UM, IN TIME FOR SPRING OF 2024 WHEN, UH, DAVE AND HIS TEAM START TO TAKE RESERVATIONS FOR SHELTERS IN, IN FEBRUARY.
SO THE PARK BOARD AND DAVE ARE GOOD WITH THIS? YEP.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE DOING THE MARKET RESEARCH AND UH, LOOKS SAY DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT TO COVER HIS, YOU KNOW, THE PARK DEPARTMENT'S EXPENSES AND ESPECIALLY SOME OF THOSE LARGER EVENTS.
I IMAGINE THAT'S A LOT TO CLEAN UP AFTER.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF LABOR AND TRASH TO BE HAUL OFF AND EVERYTHING, SO.
WE'LL MOVE TO OUR LAST ITEM FOR THE DAY.
THAT IS TO DISCUSS THE RENOVATIONS TO CITY HALL.
WE UNFORTUNATELY IN OCTOBER DIDN'T HAVE, UM, A FULL COMPLIMENT OF COMMISSIONERS AT THAT MEETING.
UH, SO WE'VE GOT MORE HERE TODAY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE MAYOR HAD TO STEP OUT.
BUT, UM, RECALL THAT THESE ARE THE LAST RENDERINGS WITH THE, UH, INPUT AND GUIDANCE THAT WAS GIVEN BY THE COMMISSION AND PARTNERS HAS PUT TOGETHER THESE RENDERINGS
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AND WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATOR, UH, GIVE US THE BEST NUMBERS THAT THEY COULD.AND WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT $8 MILLION ONCE YOU INCLUDE FURNITURE APPLIANCES, SECURITY CAMERAS, WOOD REMEDIATION, AND ADDITIONAL DESIGN FEES.
CITY MANAGER, UH, INDICATED AT THE MEETING IN OCTOBER THAT THAT'S AN UNPALATABLE NUMBER.
AND UH, HE FELT THAT WE SHOULD, UM, LOOK AT PHASING AND PERHAPS REDUCE THE SCOPE.
AND WE WENT BACK TO THE ARCHITECTS TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE INTERRELATED.
UH, MEANING THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S PLUMBING ON ONE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT WHAT'S ON THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S GONNA BE DISRUPTION AND WHATNOT.
THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU KIND OF CAN'T JUST, JUST PULL OUT AND TAKE AWAY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S RELATED TO IT.
AND SO THE POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE, THIS WOULD ALL BE DONE, UM, UNDER WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS PROPOSED.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR AND ALL THIS WORK WOULD BE COMPLETED ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
ALL THIS WORK WOULD BE COMPLETED WITH THE, THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT HERE IS LABELED AS PHASE TWO.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, THE CORRIDOR, THE, UH, UH, GO GOING DOWN TO ENGINEERING MINE AND, AND KRISTEN AND UH, AND CHARLES'S WING THAT WOULD BE LEFT FOR ANOTHER DAY IN ORDER TO BRING THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROJECT DOWN TO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PHASE TWO PART CAN BE LEFT OFF INDEFINITELY FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT RIGHT NOW ENGINEERING IS COMPLETELY ISOLATED.
THEY'RE ON A, A WING OF THE BUILDING AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE REALLY THAT THEY INTERACT WITH UNLESS THEY MAKE A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO GO TO A MEETING IN ANOTHER PART OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THEY'RE KIND OF NOT A PART OF THE TEAM.
THERE IS AN INTERIM CHANGE THAT WE CAN MAKE, WHICH IS THE SWITCH CLOSET THAT'S AT THE BACK OF MY HALLWAY.
IF WE PUNCH IT THROUGH, WE WILL HAVE CONNECTIVITY WITH ENGINEERING, WHICH IS HELPFUL.
WE DON'T HAVE A, A NICE BIG JOINT BREAK ROOM FOR US TO COME TOGETHER IN AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GET TOGETHER AT LUNCHTIME OR BREAKS OR WHATEVER.
WE DON'T, WE WON'T HAVE, HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE'VE DELAYED DOING THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T MOVE THAT SWITCH CLOSET TO A LOCATION THAT IT WAS GONNA CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE FINALLY DO.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ULTIMATE LOCATION OF IT THAT WE CAN MOVE IT AND THE CABLING WITH, EXCEPT FOR THE FIBER, ALL THE CAT FIVE HAS GOT SLACK LOOPS IN IT.
SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
SO I'M GETTING SOME PRICING ON THAT NOW.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, UH, CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER'S AREA AND MINE AND KRISTEN'S HALLWAY AND THEN GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO, UM, ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING, WE DO BELIEVE THIS ULTIMATELY NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT IT COULD BE SAVED FOR ANOTHER DAY.
AND SO THAT ESTIMATE BRINGS IT DOWN TO ABOUT $5.7 MILLION THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
UM, THAT IS MORE THAN THE 4.5 THAT WE HAD IN THE BUDGET.
AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ITEMS TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE BRIDGE THAT GAP.
THEY'RE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S FUNGIBLE.
THERE ARE PROJECTS OR FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE COULD USE MUCH LIKE WITH THE TENNIS FACILITY, UM, TO, TO TRY AND BRIDGE THAT GAP.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE 5.7 MILLION WOULD BE A, A DOABLE PROJECT AND PROBABLY THE MINIMUM BASED PROJECT THAT WE BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO DO THERE IS STILL THE OPPORTUNITY.
ONCE WE GET HARD BIDS BACK AS WE ALWAYS DO TO VALUE ENGINEER, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY PULL OUT, BUT WE THINK WE OUGHT TO GET HARD NUMBERS AND THEN NEGOTIATE THAT.
SO ONE THING I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ON YOUR 5.7 MILLION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PHASE TWO WORK, BUT DOES INCLUDE JUST A LITTLE PUNCH THROUGH DOORWAY? NO, THE PUNCH THROUGH DOORWAY, WE CAN DO THAT WITH UH, UM, MUNICIPAL CENTER FUNDS THAT WE HAVE NOW.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS PUT $150,000 EVERY YEAR INTO JUST OKAY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S NOT IN HERE AND THAT'S JUST PUNCHING THROUGH A DOOR, MOVING A, A CLOSET.
AND JAY, THIS, I KNOW WE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CODE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO BRING THIS BUILDING UP TO CODE.
'CAUSE I MEAN IT, IT LARGELY THIS BUILDING IS WHAT, 40 YEARS OLD? YEAH, A LITTLE LESS, BUT YEAH, MORE THAN SO THAN 30 35
WHICH IS, UM, YEAH, IN THE DAY OF TODAY'S WORK ENVIRONMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IS PRETTY LONG TOOTH, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY NEED TO DO THAT I THINK, BUT I'M, I'M CONCERNED.
I KNOW WE'VE, I I KNOW FROM OUTSIDE OF MY WORK ON THE COMMISSION THAT ENGINEERS AND ACCOUNTANTS ARE VERY, VERY HARD TO HIRE AND YOU KNOW, UM, GOOD NEWS.
WE SEEM TO HAVE PRETTY GOOD STABLE ACCOUNTING STAFF
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AND, AND THEY'VE GOT A, AN AREA DOWNSTAIRS, BUT ENGINEERING STAFF I KNOW A SUPER COMPETITIVE AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED HAVING ENGINEERING ON AN ISLAND AND YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY VERY HARD TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN.SO I MEAN I GET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DELAYING THAT, BUT HOW LONG ARE Y'ALL THINKING CAN DELAY THAT AND STILL HAVE A STABLE ENGINEERING STAFF AND, AND, AND GIVE APRIL A A FIGHT AND CHANCE OF RECRUITING THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED FOR ENGINEERING? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, ON WHAT WE DO WITH OTHER PROJECTS, UM, ON WHEN WE WOULD BRING BACK THAT PHASE TOO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE TWO, THREE OR FIVE YEARS OUT.
UM, PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR OUT ON THE HORIZON WITH THAT.
I DO BELIEVE IT'S A, IT'S A QUALITY OF WORKPLACE IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENT.
WELL I KNOW IF I LOOKED AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, I COULD READ HOW MANY ARE ON THE ENGINEERING STAFF TO TELL ME.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING TOTAL IN ENGINEERING STAFF? YOU KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I WANT TO SAY EIGHT.
PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT IS TURNOVER.
BUT RIGHT NOW I WANNA KNOW HOW MANY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER'S EIGHT.
HUH? I BELIEVE THE NUMBER'S EIGHT AROUND EIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW TO NOTE THAT'S APPROVED POSITIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE IN CORRECT, CORRECT SPOTS RIGHT THERE.
AN IMPORTANT POINT IS TURNOVER.
AND WE HAVE HAD TURNOVER IN FOUR OF OUR ENGINEERING POSITIONS JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UM, NOT ALL OF THAT IS DUE TO THE WORKPLACE CONDITIONS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO IT.
UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ISOLATED OVER THERE AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT BROUGHT INTO IT AS PART OF A TEAM PUNCHING THE WALL IN WILL HELP REALLY LOVE IT IF WE HAD A JOINT BREAK ROOM WHERE WE REALLY CAN GET TOGETHER DURING LUNCHES AND BREAKS TO ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY AND, AND BE MORE FAMILY AND PROOF OF THAT.
I RAN INTO AN EMPLOYEE, I WENT OVER TO RIDE THE OLD PARK ROAD AT THE PARK THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, THE BUMPY ROAD, GO BEHIND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, YOU KNOW.
AND THERE WAS A BEAUTIFUL WHITE SVU WITH THE CITY LOGO ON IT SITTING THERE.
AND SO I STOPPED 'CAUSE IT WAS JUST NICE LOOKING AND I HADN'T SEEN ONE OF THEIR PLANNING AND CODES.
AND THIS GUY WAS STANDING OUT THERE AND HE SAID, CAN I HELP YOU? AND I TOLD HIM WHO I WAS AND I THINK HE FELT LIKE I GOTTA EXPLAIN WHY I'M HERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
AND HE DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT HE SAID, I'M HAVING MY LUNCH.
I SAID, OH, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE.
AND I SAID, I JUST ADMIRE THE CAR SO MUCH.
HE SAID, WELL, I REALLY LIKE THESE SHIRTS.
HE SAID, WELL, I USED TO COME FROM, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANYTHING TO WEAR.
AND HE SAID, THIS LETS PEOPLE KNOW WHO WE ARE.
AND I SAID, SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? SO I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS.
HE SAID, TO GET ME OUT OF HERE, YOU COULD UPROOT A TREE EASIER.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY A GOOD STATEMENT COMING.
SO IT, IT MORALE IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN, I MEAN, JUST THE SHIRT, HE WAS SO PLEASED WITH THAT FROM HIS PREVIOUS ENVIRONMENT, WHEREVER THAT WAS.
WELL, I, I DO SAY, I MEAN I, I AM HAVING A BACKGROUND IN HR.
I MEAN, I GET EMPLOYEE MORALE AND, AND WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IF WE'RE MAKING, MAKING DECISIONS STRICTLY ON TURNOVER, THEN PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS HAS A LOT OF TURNOVER TOO.
THEN YOU GOTTA LOOK AT, OKAY, DO WE DO SAFETY CENTER BEFORE THIS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IT, IT'S NOT ALL YEAH.
WHAT I COULD ENVIRONMENT, WHAT I COULD SAY WITH REGARD TO THAT IS, IS MOST OF OUR TURNOVER IS IN POSITIONS THAT DON'T SPEND THEIR DAY IN THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR DAY OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE ENGINEERING STAFF, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME IS INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UH, YES, WE, WE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A REDO OF THE SERVICE CENTER.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING NOW AT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IT'S, WE'RE NOT CHANGING EXTERIOR WALLS, BUT IT CAN BE MORE OF JUST AN INTERIOR RENOVATION AND WE'RE GETTING TOGETHER NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS THAT.
UM, BUT IT, IT'S IMPORTANT IN ALL THE WORK ENVIRONMENTS.
I DO THINK THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO WORK GROUPS AND ENGINEERING IS A CONCERN.
I, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE MODIFIED NUMBER.
FIVE AND A HALF MILLION OR SO IS OKAY WITH ME.
I DON'T WANT THE 8 MILLION, BUT I UNDERSTAND AND I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
SO COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BID IT OUT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE CAN STILL VALUE ENGINEER WHEN WE GET HARD NUMBERS BACK AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FIRM PROPOSAL.
WELL I'M, I'M WITH COMMISSIONER TRAVIS AND YOU KNOW, I'D EVEN GO FURTHER TO SAY I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE PHASE TWO IN THE PIPELINE.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL'S POSITION AND ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO PHASING WAS IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING DURING THE PHASE ONE THAT IT IMPLEMENT TWO, BUT REALLY HAVING A GOOD WORK ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK I, I MENTIONED LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE UH, RENOVATED OUR BUILDING I THINK LIKE SIX TIMES SINCE Y'ALL HAVE RENOVATED THIS ONE.
AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS FROM MARYLAND FARMS HAVE BEEN RENOVATED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO
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HAVING A 35 YEAR OLD BUILDING IS, IS VERY MUCH OF AN OUTLIER.JOE WILL CERTAINLY ATTEMPT TO PLUG THAT INTO THE CIP THAT WE BRING TO YOU AND YEAH.
CAN I ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT IT DOES WITH CITY HALL.
YOU, YOU REMEMBER THAT SHOOTING UP IN MAINE AND THEY HAD THEIR CITY COMMUNICATIONS PERSON OUT GIVING PRESS CONFERENCES AND ON DAY ONE HE SAID, WELL, IT WAS LIKE 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING, MIDNIGHT OR WHATEVER.
HE SAID WE'LL BE CLOSING CITY HALL UP FOR THE NIGHT SOON.
I WITH A NATIONAL AUDIENCE, THEY'RE CLOSING CITY HALL AT NIGHT.
UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NOT HERE, DO WE CLOSE CITY HALL AT NIGHT? WHO, LIKE, I WAS GONNA SAY, WHO LOCKS IT UP? IF, IF, IF WE DO? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REDESIGN OF THE VESTIBULE AND WHATNOT IS SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO COME IN AND USE THE EMERGENCY PHONE.
BUT WE DON'T LEAVE THE REST OF THE BUILDING OPEN LIKE WE HAVE NOW.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS PLAN THAT, THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING? YEAH.
THE ONLY CRIME WE'VE EVER HAD UP HERE THAT I KNOW OF, AFTER CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHATNOT, ONE OF THE CLEANING STAFF SPOUSES CAME
SO THAT WAS OUR ONLY EXCITEMENT.
YOU KNOW, BUT I DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE COULD LOCK THE BUILDING NOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
WHO LOCKS OUR BUILDING AT NIGHT? I'D HATE FOR IT TO JUST BE WIDE OPEN.
SO OUR CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT OUR EMERGENCY VESTIBULAR AREA THAT'S OFF TO THE RIGHT IS ACCESS THROUGH THE SAME DOORS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU INTO THE LOBBY.
WE DO HAVE SECURITY IN OTHER AREAS, SO THEY CAN'T MOVE BEYOND THAT.
UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMING UP HERE, THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO ACCESS THIS AREA.
UM, THEY CAN'T GET INTO THE OFFICE SPACES.
THEY CAN'T GET OVER TO FD WELL NOW THAT THE POLICE AREN'T HERE, HOW, WHAT DO YOU ACCESS BY GOING INTO THAT LITTLE VESTIBULE? SO THE CONCERN IS, AND IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAD, WHERE SOMEONE WAS FLEEING FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS PURSUING THEM.
AND THEY THOUGHT, WHERE'S THE SAFE PLACE TO GO? AND THEY WENT TO CITY HALL.
THAT APARTMENT'S RIGHT HERE AND THAT'S STAFFED ALL NIGHT LONG.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE THERE BANGING ON THE FRONT DOOR.
BUT, BUT SOMEONE, SOMEONE WAS SHOT AND KILLED ON THE FRONT STEPS OF A CITY HALL.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN MANY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY BEGAN TO TRY AND CREATE SOME SAFE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO BE ABLE TO CALL 9 1 1.
BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S NOBODY HERE, WHAT'S THE POINT IN COMING IN? YOUR PURSUER COULD COME RIGHT BEHIND YOU IF THE DOOR OPEN.
SO THE PERSON COMING IN COULD LOCK DOOR.
CAN WE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST LEAVING THE BUILDING OPEN ALL NIGHT.
I'M SORRY, IT'S THE ELEVATOR IS THE ISSUE.
IT'S THE ELEVATOR THAT THEY COME UP THERE.
THERE WAS A LADY THAT WAS HERE.
I CAME ONE NIGHT TO GET SOMETHING.
I'VE BEEN SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EAT OR SOMETHING.
BUT SHE WAS HERE, SHE WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHE JUST THOUGHT THAT WE'RE STILL HERE.
SO SHE JUST WAS HERE CALLING AND THEY WERE TALKING TO HER.
JANE, EVERY NICE HOTEL IN ANY BIG CITY, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT A, YOU KNOW, AND THEY SET IT LIKE A LOT OF HOTELS MAYBE DON'T REQUIRE YOUR ROOM KEY AT TWO IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT AFTER 7:00 PM AT NIGHT OR 10:00 PM AT NIGHT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE EIGHTH FLOOR, YOUR KEY BETTER SAY IT'S ON THE EIGHTH FLOOR.
SO ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS, IS I'M SURE THAT'S NOT A TREMENDOUSLY EXPENSIVE THING.
CARTRIDGE SWIPE ACCESS TO THE ELEVATOR.
SO LIKE, SO LIKE WE COULD GET UP HERE BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT I DIDN'T LEAVE WORK TILL NINE 30 AND I'VE COME UP HERE AND GOTTEN MY MAIL.
BUT, UM, BUT NO ONE, YOU KNOW, FIRE POLICE, ANY EMPLOYEE THAT NEEDED WHATEVER COULD GET UP THE ELEVATOR, BUT PROBABLY AFTER MAYBE NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THERE'S NO WAY JUST ANYBODY WALKING IN COULD COME UP THE ELEVATOR.
ALL WE JUST SURELY WE COULD PUT A BADGE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN, THOSE ARE SET.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN PLACES WHERE IT'S 24 HOURS.
IF YOU CAME IN AT 9:00 AM AND YOU WANTED TO GET TO THE 20TH FLOOR, YOU HAD TO PUT YOUR ROOM CARD.
BUT I'VE BEEN IN PLACES WHERE DURING THE DAY, I GUESS WHERE THEY HAVE MEETING ROOMS ON CERTAIN FLOORS OF LARGER HOTELS.
SO I KNOW THEY HAVE TIME FRAMES ON 'EM.
SO THERE WAS A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WOULD USE THIS ANNEX ROOM AFTER HOURS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'D NEVER WENT THE ROUTE OF SECURING THE ELEVATOR.
'CAUSE PEOPLE WOULD NEED TO GET UP HERE AND, AND STAFF WOULDN'T BE HERE.
SO WE WOULD ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO THIS ROOM.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN MUCH ANYMORE.
SO WE, WE CAN MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION IF YOU'D LIKE US TO TRY AND SECURE OFF THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WISE AND OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT LET'S, LET'S CONTINUE KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH REGARD TO ACCESS TO THAT VESTIBULE.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT THE FIX TO THAT COMING WITH THIS RENOVATION.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE
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NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO OR SECOND FLOOR.YEAH, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS HERE.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF, I MEAN IF SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY FORGETS TO LOCK THIS DOOR OR CLOSE, SOMEBODY CAN GET IN AND LEAVE A NOT SO NIGHT.
WELL, AND THIS DOOR USUALLY IS UNLOCKED.
IT'S THE, THOSE DOORS AND THE RIGHT.
BUT THEN THEY CAN GET INTO THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND LEAVE SOMETHING WE MAY NOT WANNA FIND.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S VERY TRUE.
WELL, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER OUR, OUR VISITOR TO OUR COMMUNITY ONCE THEY DID THEIR LAUNDRY IN THE BATHROOM AT THE LIBRARY.
SO THEN WE HAD TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, ADD HIM TO THE LIBRARY.
BUT THAT YOU CAN'T DO YOUR LAUNDRY IN THE LIBRARY.
ALLISON, I JUST WANNA GIVE ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE RENOVATION.
UM, MY, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW MY KIDS GO TO BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S THE TOP PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE STATE MINUS, UM, MAGNET SCHOOLS.
WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF THAT, OF COURSE.
BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE IT WAS BUILT.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN BRENTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL, IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE.
AND IT'S STILL THE TOP PERFORMING SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF TENNESSEE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRAWN TO IT AND THE PURPOSE AND THE REASON AND THE STRIVING FOR EXCELLENCE.
SO I THINK SPENDING $4.5 MILLION ON OUR CITY HALL IS A REALLY GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR IT TO BE DONE.
AND WE HAVE THAT ALLOCATED SPENDING MORE THAN THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MY POSITION WAS STATED CLEARLY.
AND ACTUALLY HIGH SCHOOL, THEY JUST DID A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND YEAH, THE WHOLE FRONT OF IT IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
WELL, IT'S ALMOST UNRECOGNIZABLE WHEN I WAS A STUDENT THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN RENOVATED A NUMBER OF TIMES.
WELL, I I SPENT A LOT OF TIME, REMEMBER WHEN I WAS GONE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO PICK THAT APART WITH YOU.
BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING, BESIDES THE TWO THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED, I DON'T APART, I REMEMBER THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
AND THE COMMUNITY THERE IS BUILT ON THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
SO IF I DO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD TO, TO BID THIS OUT AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT SOME VALUE ENGINEERING, IF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
I DO WANNA KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM ON THE FLOOR 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE AT THE LAST ONE.
UM, IF 4.5 IS IN THE BUDGET ALLOCATED, WE'RE HAVING TO BUMP IT UP TO GET TO THE 5.7.
JUST TO DO AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL DISCUSS WHERE MIGHT THAT COME FROM? YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
UM, I NEED TO KNOW MORE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
I MEAN, IT'S A BIG BUMP ON BECAUSE WE'RE, I'M NOT THERE YET.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT GONNA GET THERE, BUT I'M NOT THERE YET.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SECURITY.
WE GOTTA DO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STUFF.
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY NEED FOR THAT AND THE SECURITY AND SO FORTH IN THE MAIN LOBBY AREA.
UM, I DO AGREE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO PUNCH THROUGH.
UM, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THAT TO GET THE Y'ALL'S HALLWAYS CONNECTED? WE, WE CAN DO THAT WITH EXISTING OPERATING FUNDS.
AND THE MUNICIPAL CENTER FUND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS BUT NOT TOO TERRIBLY MUCH.
WHAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S GONNA TAKE THE 5.7 TO DO, GO BACK IN YOUR, TO DO ALL THE FIRST FLOOR LOBBY WORK AND SECOND FLOOR WORK? WELL, FIRST FLOOR IN ITS ENTIRETY, ALL OF THESE PHASES, INCLUDING I, YOU KNOW, CODES, I MEAN THE, THE BIG DRIVER BEHIND THIS IS THE REPROGRAMMING OF THIS SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND CODES AND THEN, UH, ALSO ON THE FIRST FLOOR YOU'VE GOT THE BATHROOM.
UH, COMMISSIONER YOU MENTIONED THE ADA ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT.
UH, WE'VE GOT PARODY ISSUES WITH THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THE PLUMBING AND WHATNOT THAT GOES WITH THAT IS A BIG DRIVER OF THE COST.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEWER PROBLEMS DIRECTLY OVER THE OLD DISPATCH SPACE THAT HAS CAUSED GREAT PROBLEMS OF RUSTED OUT PIPES AND WHATNOT.
AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE LOCKER ROOMS. THAT'S THE INTERCONNECTIVITY I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO YES, THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR MINUS THIS ENTIRE PHASE.
SO LOBBY BATHROOMS, UM, THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THERE'S A NOMINAL COST OVER HERE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN FIRE.
PUT YOU ON THE SPOT RIGHT HERE.
DOES IT SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS FOR THAT TO BE THE PERMANENT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE VERSUS THE PUNCH SUE AND STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THERE? WELL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SEAN'S OFFICE TO BE THE, THE PASS THROUGH, THE PASS THROUGH TO GO FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S AREA OVER TO THE REST OF STAFF IN MINE AND KRISTEN'S WING AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN GET THE ENGINEERING AS WELL.
I'M THINKING WHAT PERCENT YEARS AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW JIM SCHWAB WHO WORKED FOR US, JERRY SHARPER STEPSON, BECKY'S SON.
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HERE.HE WAS AN INTERN AND THEN AN EMPLOYEE.
THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE TO PUT HIM.
THEY PUT HIM UP THERE AND WE ALL SAID HIS STEPDAD IS THE MAYOR OF FRANKLIN AND HE'S WITHIN LISTENING DISTANCE OF EVERYTHING WE SAY IN OUR COMMISSION OFFICE.
AND HE WAS A DARLING BOY, BUT CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE SITTING THAT CLOSE TO EACH OTHER ALL DAY LONG.
WELL, AND AND HONESTLY I WOULDN'T BE MOVING.
I ACTUALLY, I WOULD BE MOVING FURTHER AWAY, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN IF THAT WERE THE SPOT YEAH, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE, IT'S LIKE EVEN MARRIED PEOPLE NEED SOME DISTANCE AND I DON'T THINK HAVING YOU IN TWO ROOMS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE OLD GIS WORK COORDINATOR, UH, THAT OFFICE THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KRISTEN IS WHERE I WOULD BE RELOCATED TO ACTUALLY GET FURTHER AWAY FROM KIRK.
BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT REALLY US, THIS IS MORE ABOUT THE WORK ENVIRONMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, KIRK AND I, WE'LL WE'LL WORK ANYWHERE AND SO WE'LL KIRSTEN, BUT OKAY.
TO NOT PUT TOO FINE OF A POINT ON IT, BUT BECAUSE STAFF NEEDS DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED, I DO BELIEVE I SEE FOUR NODDING IN AGREEMENTS.
I HEAR SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT AND WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE AND I HEAR KIND OF A FIRM POSITION THAT 4.5 SHOULD BE THE FINAL NUMBER.
I THINK A LOT OF THIS WILL SHAKE OUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN OUR CIP AND WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR A LOT OF STUFF.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THESE DIFFERENT PRICES WILL BE TO GET WHAT WE WANT AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD.
THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD IS THAT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR BUILDING IS SECURE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU FOR A LOT OF TIME YOU SPENT HERE TODAY.
COMMISSIONERS A LOT OF GOOD DIALOGUE AND, UH, SECOND MEETING.
WEREN'T WE GONNA CALL OFF THE YEAH, THANK YOU.
THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN HANGING HERE.
YEAH, GOTTA YOU GOTTA GET YOUR VOICE HEARD INFO MEETING THE INFORMATION MEETING ON THE 22ND, THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
UM, WE WILL, WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT.
YEAH, IF ALL HAS THAT'S UNDERSTOOD IT.
YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF TRAVEL PLANS THAT PRECLUDE THAT.
SO GIVEN THAT WE GOT THE, WHEN ARE WE GOTTA DECIDE ON THAT? THAT NEED FOR IT? DON'T FORGET TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT DECEMBER MONDAY NIGHT MEETING.
IS THAT IT? WHEN NOT, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT WE WERE TALKING THAT MEETING AT 1130.
I GOT, OKAY, WE WILL FOLLOW UP GABRIEL.
SO YOU, AND WE DO HAVE THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING THE FOURTH.
IS THAT RIGHT YOUR TIME? I WILL.
MR. SCHEDULE'S FIGURED OUT IN MY HEAD.